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Hello and welcome back. You are listening to

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The Deep Dive. I'm your host, and today we are

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on a mission. A big one. A big one. We're taking

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a stack of history books, biographies, political

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treatises, and honestly, this stack is heavy

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enough to be a safety hazard if it were to fall

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off the desk. I can confirm that. It is a hefty

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stack today. But, you know, absolutely necessary.

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We're going to unpack it all, sift through the

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noise, and find those absolute nuggets of insight

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that you need to know. Because the subject demands

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it. He really does. Today we are tackling a giant.

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We're talking about Edmund Burke. Now, depending

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on who you ask, he's either this profound genius

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or a complete relic. Or both. Or both. You might

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know him as the father of modern conservatism.

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You may have walked past his statue in Washington,

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D .C. or London and not given it a second glance.

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But here's the hook, and this is what really

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pulled me into the research this week. Burke

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is a walking, talking paradox. He really is.

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I mean, he's a figure of just massive contradictions.

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Exactly. On the one hand, he's the icon of the

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right. He's the guy who defended the monarchy,

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the church, the aristocracy, all the established

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institutions. The very image of a traditionalist.

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But then you actually look at his record, his

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speeches, his votes in parliament, and for the

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vast majority of his life, he was fighting for

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causes that look incredibly... Well, liberal.

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Even radical for his time, you could say. Right.

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I mean, he championed the American colonists

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against the British crown. A huge deal. He fought

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tooth and nail for the rights of Irish Catholics

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against the Protestant ascendancy. A cause very

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close to his heart for reasons we'll get into.

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And he spent years, decades even, trying to impeach

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a corporate governor for corruption and human

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rights abuses in India. He hated the slave trade.

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If you just looked at that list, you'd think,

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OK, this guy is a classic bleeding heart reformer.

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You'd put him squarely on the progressive side

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of the ledger. No question. And yet when the

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French Revolution comes along in 1789, a revolution

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that was, you know, screaming liberty, equality,

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fraternity, a revolution that literally overthrew

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a King Burke. didn't just hesitate. No, he didn't

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just critique it. He absolutely loathed it. He

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recoiled in horror. He treated it like a plague,

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like a virus that was going to destroy civilization.

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And that right there is the core tension. That's

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the riddle we have to solve today. How can the

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same man be the best friend of the American Revolution

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and the mortal enemy of the French Revolution?

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Was he a hypocrite? Did he just get old and cranky?

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Or is there actually a coherent philosophy underneath

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all that noise that explains it? And I think

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the answer is a firm yes to that last one. There's

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absolutely a deeper thread. To understand Burke,

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you can't just look at him as a politician who

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flips a coin on issues. No. You have to see him

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as a philosopher who is wrestling with the most

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fundamental tension in human society, the tension

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between liberty and order. Liberty and order.

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Yeah. And I think by the end of this conversation,

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we're going to see that his answer to that tension

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is surprisingly and perhaps even uncomfortably

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relevant to the world we're living in right now.

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So our mission today is to decode Edmund Burke,

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to move past the bronze statue and get to the

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flesh and blood man. And as a little teaser for

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later, we are also going to debunk the most famous

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quote attributed to him. Ah, yes. The famous

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one. You know the one, the only thing necessary

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for the triumph of evil. Is for good men to do

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nothing. Spoiler alert. He never actually said

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it. But we will get to what he actually said,

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which I think is arguably more powerful. a bit

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later on. It's more specific and more challenging,

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I'd say. Agreed. So let's start at the very beginning,

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because, you know, when we talk about 18th century

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British politicians, we picture a very specific

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type of person. Born with a silver spoon, probably.

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Wealthy, aristocratic, English, probably born

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in a sprawling manor house. Burke. Not even close.

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And honestly, I don't think you can understand

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a single thing Edmund Burke did or wrote later

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in life if you don't understand where he started.

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He was from day one in London. An outsider. Let's

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unpack that. He was born in Dublin, Ireland in

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1729. Correct. And just being Irish in London

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in the 1700s was already, you know, a bit of

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a mark against you. There was a lot of prejudice.

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Sure. But the real complexity, the real engine

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of his thought comes from his family dynamic.

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It sounds like the setup for a tense family drama.

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How so? Well, his father, Richard Burke, was

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a successful solicitor and, crucially, a member

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of the established Church of Ireland. A Protestant.

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Okay. Part of the establishment. Very much so.

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But his mother, Mary Nagel, came from a respectable

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but declining family of Catholic gentry, and

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she was a devout Roman Catholic. A mixed marriage.

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In today's world, that's barely a footnote. Right.

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But in 18th century Ireland, that was everything,

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wasn't it? It was absolutely massive. You have

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to remember the context of the penal laws. These

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were a brutal set of laws designed specifically

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to suppress and disempower the Catholic majority

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in Ireland. If you were a Catholic, you were

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essentially a second class citizen. It was systemic.

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Completely. Yeah. You couldn't vote. You couldn't

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sit in parliament. You couldn't hold any public

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office. You couldn't be a lawyer or a judge.

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You couldn't even own a weapon for self -defense.

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I read about one particular law that just, it

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really stuck with me. The horse rule. Ah, yes,

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the five -pound horse. If a Catholic owned a

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horse, any horse, a Protestant could walk up

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and offer him five pounds for it, and the Catholic

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had to sell it. It didn't matter if it was a

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prized stallion worth 100 pounds. Exactly. It

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wasn't just about economics. It was a system

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designed to humiliate, to constantly remind you

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of your inferior status. It was designed to keep

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the Catholic population impoverished and powerless.

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So Burke grows up in this house where his father

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represents the system, the Anglican legal official

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world. And his mother represents the oppressed

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majority. He's living that contradiction every

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single day. He was raised Anglican. He had to

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be. For his career prospects. For any kind of

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career at all. His father was pragmatic, but

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his sister, Giuliano, was raised in her mother's

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faith as a Catholic. And he spent his childhood

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summers with his mother's family in County Cork,

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the Nagels, who were Catholic gentry living under

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these suffocating restrictions. So he wasn't

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just reading about oppression in a book. Not

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at all. He was seeing it happen to his uncles,

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his cousins. He was feeling the injustice in

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his own family. It gave him this lifelong sympathy

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for the underdog, for the outsider, that most

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of his English colleagues in Parliament just

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couldn't comprehend it was in his bones. But

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that same background also put a target on his

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back for his entire career, didn't it? A huge

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target. His enemies used it against him relentlessly.

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The rumors. I saw some of the political cartoons

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from the time. They're vicious. They drew him

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in Jesuit robes. They called him Edmund the Jesuit,

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the Irish papist. It was the standard ugly smear

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of the day. The accusation was that he was a

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secret Catholic, a sleeper agent for the Pope,

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sent to destroy the Protestant constitution of

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England from the inside. And they threw around

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this claim that he was educated at St. Omer.

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What was that? Saint -Omer was a famous Jesuit

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seminary in France. It was a shorthand way of

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saying he was a foreign -trained subversive.

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Was there any truth to it at all? Absolutely

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none. He went to Trinity College, Dublin, which

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was a bastion of Protestant learning. But the

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mud stuck because he did sympathize with Catholics.

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He did fight to repeal the penal laws. And his

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enemies couldn't imagine any reason for that

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other than secret allegiance. They couldn't grasp

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that he was acting on principle. Exactly. They

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couldn't grasp that he had seen firsthand that

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sometimes the law and justice are two very different

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things. The penal laws were legal, but they weren't

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just. And that distinction would shape his entire

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worldview. That distinction, legal versus just.

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That seems to be a theme we're going to see over

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and over again. It's central to understanding

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him. So he finishes university. And like every

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ambitious young man with a demanding father,

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he goes to London to study law at the Middle

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Temple. His dad must have been thrilled. My son,

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the barrister. Oh, absolutely. This was the plan.

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But then, like so many ambitious young men with

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demanding fathers. He promptly disappointed him.

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He hated the law. He found it dry, technical,

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what he called the narrow and contracted practice

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of the law. He wanted to deal with big ideas,

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with literature, with philosophy, with the great

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questions of human nature. So he just dropped

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out. He started traveling and writing. And his

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dad's reaction. He cut him off, cut off his allowance

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completely. It caused a rift between them that

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lasted for years. But this period of, you know,

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being a struggling writer in London is absolutely

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crucial because this is where we meet Burke.

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The philosopher. Long before he ever gave a speech

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in Parliament, he wrote a book on aesthetics.

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Right. A philosophical inquiry into the origin

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of our ideas of the sublime and beautiful. Published

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in 1757. Now, I have to be honest, when I hear

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aesthetics, my mind goes to, you know, interior

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design or art critics. Why does a book about

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art theory matter for a political deep dive?

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It matters immensely because it's a window into

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his soul. It explains how he viewed the world

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and, more importantly, how he viewed the state.

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He divides our powerful emotional experiences

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into two big categories, the beautiful and the

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sublime. Okay, let's define them. What is the

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beautiful, according to Burke? The beautiful

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is all about things that are small, smooth, polished.

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Pleasant. Think of a perfectly formed flower,

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a delicate piece of music, a well -manicured

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garden. So things that are pleasing and safe.

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Yes. Safe is a good word. They evoke feelings

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of love and affection. They make you feel relaxed.

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And the sublime. The sublime is the polar opposite.

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It is vast. It's rugged. It's dark. It's powerful.

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It's obscure. So what's an example of that? Think

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of a violent storm at sea with massive waves

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crashing over your ship. Think of standing at

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the edge of the Grand Canyon and feeling that

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dizzying sense of scale. Think of a dark forest

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at night or a towering cathedral. So it's not

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scary like a horror movie, but it's overwhelming.

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It makes you feel small. It produces awe. And

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a key part of awe for Burke is a sort of delightful

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terror. It commands your respect because it is

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so much bigger and more powerful than you are.

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OK, I think I get the distinction. But what's

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the political connection? Here it is. Burke believed

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that the state, the government. society itself

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should be sublime wait the government should

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be a storm at sea that sounds terrible not literally

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but in the sense that it should be ancient mysterious

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and powerful it should command our reverence

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our awe he believed that if you look at the state

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as just a simple machine like a toaster that

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you can take apart and put back together whenever

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you want you lose that reverend we'll lose the

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authority you lose the very thing that holds

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society together for burke society needs its

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mysteries its traditions its grandeur we need

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to look at our institutions with a sense of awe,

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not just as a matter of cold calculation. That

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is fascinating. So he's basically an anti -technocrat

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before technocrats even existed. He doesn't want

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people just poking the state with a stick to

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see how it works because that demystifies it.

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Precisely. He thinks if you strip away the mystery

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and the tradition, what he later calls the drapery

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of life, you strip away the stability. And he

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doubled down on this exact fear with a satire

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he wrote around the same time called A Vindication

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of Natural Society. This story is hilarious.

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He wrote it to mock a specific person, right?

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A Lord Bolingbroke. Yes. Bolingbroke was a famous

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deist and rationalist. He had written these essays

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arguing for a natural religion. He basically

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said, hey, let's use our pure reason to strip

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away all the superstition and revealed truth

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and all the historical baggage of organized religion

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and just keep the parts that make logical sense.

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But kind of religious minimalism. Exactly. And

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Burke thought this was a profoundly dangerous

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and arrogant idea. So he wrote this pamphlet

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pretending to be Bolingbroke or a disciple of

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Bolingbroke. And what was his argument in the

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pamphlet? He took Bolingbroke's logic and applied

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it to society. He argued, OK, if we're going

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to use pure reason to destroy the artificial

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construct of the church, why not use it to destroy

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the artificial construct of the state, too? Let's

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get rid of government laws, marriage, property,

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social classes, because if you look at them with

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cold, abstract logic, they are all unnatural

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and oppressive. He was trying to show that this

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line of thinking, if you take it to its logical

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conclusion, leads to. total anarchy. It's a classic

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reductio ad absurdum. He was trying to demonstrate

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that society is not a simple logic puzzle, but

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he did such a brilliant job mimicking Bolingbroke's

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grand rationalist style that people missed the

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joke. Laughs. So people thought it was serious.

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Completely. Radical thinkers and early anarchists

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started reading it and saying, yes, this Bolingbroke

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fellow gets it down with the government. That

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is the ultimate danger of good satire. It is.

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Burke actually had to write a new preface for

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the second edition saying, everybody, please

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calm down. I'm joking. This is irony. But it

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shows us that even in his 20s, Burke was deeply,

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deeply afraid of what happens when you apply

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abstract, disembodied reason to complex living

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human things like a church or a state. So we

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have the philosopher, the satirist, the Irishman.

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But eventually the man needs a paycheck. He has

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to enter the political arena for real. He does.

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And he gets his big break when he lands a job

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as the private secretary to the Marcos of Rockingham.

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And Rockingham was a big deal. A very big deal.

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He was a major Whig grandee. And for a time,

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the... prime minister. This was Burke's ticket

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into the inner circle. And in 1765, through Rockingham's

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patronage, he enters the House of Commons representing

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a place called Wendover. Now, Wendover was what

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they called a pocket borough. For those of us

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who aren't experts in 18th century electoral

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peculiarities, what does that mean? It means

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the election was basically a sham. Wendover was

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a tiny depopulated district that was essentially

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in the pocket of a wealthy patron, in this case,

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a Lord Verney. So Verney owned the land. And

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there's where he controlled the handful of voters.

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He literally just pointed at Burke and said,

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he is your MP, and that was that. No campaigning,

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no debates, no real voting. It's just incredibly

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ironic, isn't it, that one of the greatest thinkers

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on the nature of representation entered Parliament

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through a completely undemocratic loophole. It

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is. But Burke would have defended it. He would

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have argued that the system of rotten boroughs,

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as they were called, had a hidden benefit. It

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allowed men of immense talent, but no personal

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wealth like him, to get into Parliament based

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on the judgment of an experienced patron. That's

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an interesting counter argument. He's saying

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if every seat was a modern, expensive popularity

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contest, only the independently wealthy could

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afford to run. That's his point. It allowed for

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merit to find a way in. And once he was in, he

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made a splash almost immediately. A huge splash

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from what I've read. William Pitt the Elder,

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who was like the Zeus of British politics at

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the time. A towering figure. Pitt said, Burke's

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maiden speech stopped the mouths of all Europe.

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He was an orator of the highest order. He had

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this incredible command of language and history

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and philosophy. And he brings a new and at the

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time controversial idea to the table, the legitimacy

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of the political party. Right. Which is strange

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to think about because today we tend to hate

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parties. We see them as divisive, toxic, tribal.

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But Burke argued they were absolutely essential

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for a free government. Why? You have to look

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at what he was up against. King George III was

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actively trying to reclaim power that the monarchy

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had lost over the previous century. He did this

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by creating an informal group in parliament called

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the King's Friends. A kind of shadow government.

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Exactly. They weren't the official ministers

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of the government, but they operated behind the

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scenes. They had the king's ear, they controlled

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royal patronage, and they pulled the strings

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to undermine the official government if it displeased

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the king. Burke called it a double cabinet. So

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the official government was just a front and

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the king was really running things from the shadows.

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That was Burke's great fear. He saw it as a slide

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back toward absolute monarchy. He argued that

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a single independent MP acting alone was powerless

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against this kind of coordinated secret influence.

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The king could just buy him off or intimidate

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him or crush him. So what was his solution? Association.

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Organization he wrote a famous pamphlet on this

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thoughts on the cause of the present discontents

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and in it He says when bad men combine the good

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must associate That's the origin of the good

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men idea, even if it's not the famous misquote.

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This is the real quote. He defined a political

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party not as a cynical group of people just trying

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to get power, but as a body of men united for

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promoting by their joint endeavors the national

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interest upon some particular principle in which

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they are all agreed. So principled opposition.

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Principled organized opposition was the only

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way to keep a government honest and to check

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the power of the crown. For him, party divisions,

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as he said, are inseparable from free government.

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They are the immune system of democracy. That's

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a powerful idea. And it brings us to 1774. Burke

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levels up. He gets elected to represent Bristol.

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And this is the big leagues. Bristol wasn't a

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pocket borough. It was the second city of England

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at the time. A massive, bustling... trading port

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with a huge, engaged, and very opinionated electorate.

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This was a real election. And this leads to one

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of the most famous, I think most controversial

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moments of his entire career, the speech to the

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electors of Bristol. Yes. This is where he lays

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out his theory of representation, what we now

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call the trustee model. I want to push back on

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this because when I first read it, it sounded

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incredibly arrogant. It usually does to modern

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ears. There's no getting around that. So set

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the scene. He gets elected. His colleague, the

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other newly elected MP for Bristol, stands up

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and gives a speech. And he basically promises,

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I will do whatever you, the voters, tell me to

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do. I will be your voice. I will follow your

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instructions. He takes the delegate approach.

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The common sense approach, most people would

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say. Right. And then Burke stands up and he says,

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essentially, no. I'm not going to do that. He

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tells them flat out, I am not your messenger.

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I am not a weathercock on a steeple to show you

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which way the wind blows. But isn't that the

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whole point of democracy? If I vote for you,

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I expect you to represent my interests, my voice.

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If my community wants lower taxes and you go

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to London and vote to raise them because you

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think you know better, haven't you betrayed me?

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Burke would say no. He would say he betrayed

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you if he didn't use his own judgment. Here's

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the key quote, and it's a stunner. Your representative

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owes you not his industry only, but his judgment.

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And he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices

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it to your opinion. He betrays you. That is incredibly

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strong language. Think of it this way. If you

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have a serious heart condition and you hire the

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best surgeon in the country, you don't stand

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over his shoulder in their operating room and

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vote on where he should make the cut. Of course

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not. You don't want him to ask the audience,

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should I cut the artery or the vein? You hired

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him precisely because he has spent his life studying

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anatomy and you haven't. You're trusting his

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judgment. OK, so the MP is the expert surgeon

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of the state. That's Burke's view. He's in London.

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He's reading the secret intelligence reports

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from the colonies. He's debating the nuances

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of international trade with Ireland. He's seeing

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the big national picture. The merchant in Bristol,

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as important as he is, is primarily worried about

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his own ledger book. Burke. argued that parliament

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is not a congress of ambassadors from different

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and hostile interests it's a deliberative assembly

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of one nation with one interest that of the whole

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and if an mp just follows the local polls he

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isn't governing he's just pandering logically

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i can see the argument but politically that sounds

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like absolute suicide do the people of bristol

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buy it Absolutely not. They hated it. Of course

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they did. Especially because Burke immediately

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proceeded to use his judgment to do things they

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despised. He voted to relax trade restrictions

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with Ireland, which the Bristol merchants saw

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as a direct threat to their monopoly and their

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profits. So he voted against the direct financial

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interests of his constituents. He did. He also

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supported a measure of relief for Catholics.

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And Bristol was a hotbed of anti -Catholic sentiment.

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He was completely out of step with public opinion

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back home. So he actually walked the walk. He

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wasn't just theorizing. He voted his conscience

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against his own voters' wishes because he thought

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it was right for the empire as a whole. He absolutely

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did. And in 1780, he paid the price. He lost

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his seat. He actually withdrew from the race

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before the final vote because he knew he was

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going to get crushed. He sacrificed his career

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for his principles. And that integrity brings

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us to the first major. liberal chapter of his

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legacy, the American crisis. Burke is often cited

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as a hero by Americans for his stance, but he

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wasn't calling for independence, was he? No,

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and that's a common misconception we need to

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clear up. Burke was an imperialist through and

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through. He believed in the British Empire. He

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wanted to keep it together. But he looked at

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how the British government under Lord North was

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treating the American colonies, and he thought

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it was sheer self -destructive madness. What

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was the core of his disagreement? The British

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government was obsessed with the principle of

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the thing, the right to tax. Yes. They were stuck

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on this abstract legalistic point. We are the

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sovereign power. Parliament has the right to

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tax anyone, anywhere in the empire. And Burke's

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response to that was? He basically screams, I

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don't care about your abstract right. In his

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great speech on American taxation in 1774, he

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says, I hate the very sound of metaphysical distinctions.

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He says the question is not whether you have

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a right to make your people miserable, but whether

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it is not your interest to make them happy. So

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he's a pragmatist. A profound pragmatist, he's

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saying. Stop arguing about what is true in theory

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and look at what is happening in reality. He

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says, sure, maybe you have the technical legal

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right to tax them, but is it wise? Is it prudent?

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Is it worth blowing up the entire empire over

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a few pence of tax on tea? He wanted to turn

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back the clock, essentially. Yes. To a time when

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things worked. He wasn't proposing some radical

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new system. He was looking to the past for a

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solution. His answer was to return to the policy

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of salutary neglect. Basically, leave the Americans

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alone to tax themselves through their own assemblies,

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let them prosper, and Britain would prosper from

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the trade. His plea was leave the Americans as

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they anciently stood. Then in 1775, it's the

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11th hour. It's just weeks before the first shots

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are fired at Lexington and Concord. And he makes

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this one last massive, desperate effort for peace.

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The speech is called Conciliation with America.

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And it is one of the greatest speeches ever delivered

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in the English language. The imagery he uses

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here is just, it's breathtaking. This is the

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ties argument, right? It is. He stands up in

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Parliament and tries to convince them that you

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cannot hold an empire together by force alone.

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You can't just send armies and tax collectors.

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He says, my hold of the colonies is in the close

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affection which grows from common names, from

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kindred blood, from similar privileges and equal

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protection. These are ties which, though light

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as air, are as strong as links of iron. Light

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as air are as strong as links of iron. That is

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just pure poetry. It's profound political psychology.

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He's saying that a shared culture, a shared language,

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a shared history of liberty, these are stronger

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bonds than any army you can send across the Atlantic.

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And then he makes a prophecy, a chillingly accurate

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one. What does he predict? He warns them. He

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says, remember who these people are. The Americans

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are descendants of Englishmen. They inherited

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that fierce Protestant English spirit of liberty.

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If you try to force your abstract concept of

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sovereignty on them, they will cast your sovereignty

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in your face. And that is exactly what happened.

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They threw the tea in the harbor and the sovereignty

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right back at them. It is. And he made another

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really uncomfortable but astute point about slavery.

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He noted that in the southern colonies where

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slavery was most prevalent, the white population

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was even more. fiercely attached to their freedom

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than in the North. Why was that? Because, as

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Burke put it, freedom is to them not only an

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enjoyment, but a kind of rank and privilege.

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They saw the stark alternative every single day.

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They knew exactly what it looked like to be a

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subject, a slave. So they were hypersensitive

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to any attempt by Britain to, in their eyes,

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enslave them. He told Parliament flat out, you

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cannot argue a whole people into slavery. But

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they didn't listen. His resolutions for peace

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were ignored. The war started. And Burke was.

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He was despondent. He was heartbroken. He saw

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it as a civil war. He couldn't even bring himself

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to celebrate British victories over the Americans.

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He felt that the British public who were cheering

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for the war were showing signs of a deep moral

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rot. He wrote that the English national character

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was changing, that people were becoming less

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fiery and jealous of their own liberty and more

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authoritarian. So on America, he's the clear

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champion of liberty against overbearing power.

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Now, let's pivot halfway around the world to

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the East, because if America was about the abuse

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of legislative power, India was about the abuse

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of corporate power. This is a huge, and I mean

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huge, part of his life's work that often gets

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skipped over in the textbooks, but it consumed

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him for the better part of two decades. Burke

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was obsessed with bringing justice to India.

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And we're talking specifically about the East

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India Company. The company, yes. And we have

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to be clear, they weren't just a business selling

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tea and spices anymore. By this point... They

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were a de facto government. They controlled the

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entire province of Bengal. They had a massive

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private army. And Burke saw them as a rogue state,

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a vehicle for what he called Indianism, which

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was his term for unchecked corporate tyranny.

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And in this story, he found his ultimate villain

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in one man, Warren Hastings. Warren Hastings,

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the governor general of Bengal. For Burke, Hastings

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personified everything that was wrong with British

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rule in India, and Burke spearheaded the impeachment

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of Hastings. The trial began in 1788 in Westminster

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Hall, and it was the trial of the century, a

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massive public spectacle. And Burke was the lead

00:26:08.500 --> 00:26:10.779
prosecutor. From what I've read, he did not hold

00:26:10.779 --> 00:26:13.259
back with his language. Oh, not at all. Burke

00:26:13.259 --> 00:26:15.480
was never one for subtle language when he was

00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.519
morally outraged. I have some of the insults

00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:21.220
he threw at Hastings here. He called him a Captain

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General of Iniquity. Wow. He called him a spider

00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:27.680
of hell, a ravenous vulture devouring the carcasses

00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:30.059
of the dead. A spider of hell. You don't hear

00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:31.779
that in parliamentary debates anymore. You do

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not. But the anger was genuine. He wasn't just

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performing. He had spent years studying the reports

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coming out of India. He gave this incredible

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speech on a subject called the Nabob of Arquette's

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debts, where he described in horrifying detail

00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:46.700
the devastation of the Indian infrastructure.

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He talked about how the company's greed had led

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to the ruin of ancient reservoirs and water systems,

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causing famine and death on a massive scale.

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So he's painting this picture of a sophisticated

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ancient civilization being plundered and destroyed

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by a bunch of young, greedy British upstarts.

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That's exactly it. And this brings us to one

00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:09.259
of his most important and enduring philosophical

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contributions, his attack on what he called Geographical

00:27:14.049 --> 00:27:16.890
morality. Geographical morality. That's a key

00:27:16.890 --> 00:27:19.470
term. What does he mean by that? Well, the defense

00:27:19.470 --> 00:27:22.029
team for Hastings and the company basically argued

00:27:22.029 --> 00:27:25.289
this. Look, you can't judge us by the gentle

00:27:25.289 --> 00:27:28.069
standards of British society. This is India.

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Things are different over there. Despotism is

00:27:30.730 --> 00:27:32.930
the normal way of doing things in the East. We

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are just playing by the local rules to survive.

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So it's a kind of when in Rome, do as the Romans

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do. but applied to tyranny and corruption. Right.

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It's the idea that what's immoral in London can

00:27:45.740 --> 00:27:48.559
be perfectly acceptable in Calcutta. And Burke

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just erupts at this idea. He says rubbish. He

00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:53.859
argues that morality is universal. He says the

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laws of morality are the same everywhere. If

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it is wrong to rob and starve and torture people

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in London, it is just as wrong to rob and starve

00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:03.809
and torture them in India. That is a surprisingly

00:28:03.809 --> 00:28:06.289
modern take. He's basically arguing for a concept

00:28:06.289 --> 00:28:08.470
of universal human rights before that was really

00:28:08.470 --> 00:28:10.869
a codified thing. He is. He viewed the British

00:28:10.869 --> 00:28:13.849
Empire as a trust. He believed Britain had a

00:28:13.849 --> 00:28:16.829
sacred moral duty to govern for the benefit of

00:28:16.829 --> 00:28:19.410
the subject people. And if the empire wasn't

00:28:19.410 --> 00:28:21.549
benefiting the Indians, he said it had no right

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to exist. So he wasn't an anti -imperialist in

00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:26.720
the modern sense. He wasn't saying, and the empire,

00:28:27.019 --> 00:28:30.079
but he was saying the empire must be moral. Correct.

00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.519
It must be accountable to a higher law. And he

00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.180
applied this thinking to slavery, too. He detested

00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:38.759
the slave trade. He called it a diabolical practice,

00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:42.279
a weed that grows in every soil. And he actually

00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.140
tried to do something about it. He did. He drafted

00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:47.880
a detailed plan for the gradual abolition of

00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.579
slavery. Now, we have to be honest here. He was

00:28:50.579 --> 00:28:53.400
a gradualist. His plan included things like having

00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.259
inspectors and protectors. But it was based on

00:28:56.259 --> 00:28:58.940
the paternalistic 18th century view that slaves

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needed to be civilized and prepared for freedom.

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So not a radical abolitionist like Wilberforce

00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:06.619
would later be. No. But compared to the vast

00:29:06.619 --> 00:29:09.240
majority of his peers, who saw slaves as nothing

00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.740
more than property, he was miles ahead. He saw

00:29:11.740 --> 00:29:13.980
their humanity. Okay, let's look at the scoreboard

00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:17.299
so far. It's 1788. He has defended the American

00:29:17.299 --> 00:29:19.799
rebels against the crown. He's defended Irish

00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.200
Catholics against the Protestant elite. He's

00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.579
attacked corporate corruption in India. He hates

00:29:24.579 --> 00:29:27.380
slavery. If you stop the biography right there,

00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:29.619
you see Edmund Burke, the great liberal hero.

00:29:29.819 --> 00:29:32.339
Full stop. He absolutely would. And the Whigs,

00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:35.079
the liberal reformist party of the day, they

00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.420
loved him. He was their intellectual heavyweight,

00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.119
their conscience. And then comes July 14th, 1789.

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The Bastille is stormed in Paris. The French

00:29:44.109 --> 00:29:46.869
Revolution begins. The king is stripped of his

00:29:46.869 --> 00:29:49.650
power. The Declaration of the Rights of Man is

00:29:49.650 --> 00:29:52.089
published. And the Whigs in London, his friends

00:29:52.089 --> 00:29:54.309
and colleagues, are popping champagne. They're

00:29:54.309 --> 00:29:56.690
ecstatic. They think this is Act II of the American

00:29:56.690 --> 00:29:59.329
Revolution or maybe a French version of Britain's

00:29:59.329 --> 00:30:02.349
own glorious revolution of 1688. They think,

00:30:02.349 --> 00:30:04.650
finally, the French are throwing off their tyrant

00:30:04.650 --> 00:30:06.549
and becoming like us. But Burke looks at the

00:30:06.549 --> 00:30:09.109
exact same events, the same speeches, the same

00:30:09.109 --> 00:30:11.609
riots, the same declarations, and he sees a horror

00:30:11.609 --> 00:30:14.569
movie. He doesn't cheer. He recoils. Why? What

00:30:14.569 --> 00:30:16.670
did he see that everyone else missed? He saw

00:30:16.670 --> 00:30:19.230
the triumph of abstract theory over concrete

00:30:19.230 --> 00:30:21.950
reality. And this leads to his most famous and

00:30:21.950 --> 00:30:24.849
influential work, his masterpiece, Reflections

00:30:24.849 --> 00:30:26.970
on the Revolution in France, which he published

00:30:26.970 --> 00:30:30.309
in 1790. This book just exploded the political

00:30:30.309 --> 00:30:32.710
landscape, didn't it? It broke everything. It

00:30:32.710 --> 00:30:35.589
split his party. It ended his closest friendships.

00:30:35.789 --> 00:30:38.549
And it laid the foundation for modern conservatism.

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And the core argument comes down to the difference

00:30:41.089 --> 00:30:44.970
between abstract rights and what he would call

00:30:44.970 --> 00:30:48.349
prescriptive or inherited rights. This is probably

00:30:48.349 --> 00:30:50.829
the hardest Burkine concept to grasp, but it's

00:30:50.829 --> 00:30:52.869
the most important. It is the absolute T. So

00:30:52.869 --> 00:30:54.390
let's break it down very carefully. What is an

00:30:54.390 --> 00:30:58.049
abstract right? Okay. An abstract right is a

00:30:58.049 --> 00:31:01.029
right that you deduce from pure reason. Imagine

00:31:01.029 --> 00:31:03.150
you sit down in a coffee shop today with a blank

00:31:03.150 --> 00:31:05.630
piece of paper and you write a list of things

00:31:05.630 --> 00:31:07.809
every human being should have just by virtue

00:31:07.809 --> 00:31:10.329
of being human. Every human has a right to happiness.

00:31:10.549 --> 00:31:13.170
Every human has a right to property. Every human

00:31:13.170 --> 00:31:15.529
has a right to a say in their government. That's

00:31:15.529 --> 00:31:17.809
the rights of man. That's the French Declaration

00:31:17.809 --> 00:31:20.970
of the Rights of Man. It comes from pure theory.

00:31:21.190 --> 00:31:24.009
It sounds wonderful. It sounds self -evident.

00:31:24.190 --> 00:31:26.130
Who could possibly argue with that? Burke would.

00:31:26.289 --> 00:31:27.950
He'd say, that's lovely. It's a nice theory.

00:31:28.109 --> 00:31:29.950
But what does it mean in practice, he'd ask.

00:31:30.289 --> 00:31:33.049
OK, you have a theoretical right to property.

00:31:33.470 --> 00:31:36.390
But is there a law in your country that actually

00:31:36.390 --> 00:31:39.150
protects it? Is there a court that will enforce

00:31:39.150 --> 00:31:41.910
that law? Is there a police force that will arrest

00:31:41.910 --> 00:31:45.180
the person who violates it? Burke argued that

00:31:45.180 --> 00:31:47.680
a right doesn't exist just because you can imagine

00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:50.460
it or write it on a piece of paper. It only exists

00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:53.200
if it's real, if it's enforceable. Yes, if it

00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.960
has been woven into the actual fabric of a specific

00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.740
society over a long period of time, which is

00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:00.740
why he preferred what he called the rights of

00:32:00.740 --> 00:32:03.240
Englishmen. So rights as an inheritance, not

00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.960
a theory. Precisely. Think of your rights like

00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:09.079
a house. You don't just conjure a beautiful house

00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.440
out of thin air based on a perfect architectural

00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.440
drawing. You inherit a real house from your grandfather

00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.900
who built the solid foundation. Your father added

00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:19.640
a new room. You come along and you fix the leaky

00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.640
roof. You have the right to trial by jury in

00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.220
England, not because all humans have it in the

00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:28.440
abstract, but because Englishmen fought and died

00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.859
for it in the Magna Carta and defended it in

00:32:30.859 --> 00:32:34.539
1688. And it was handed down to you as a specific

00:32:34.539 --> 00:32:37.579
concrete inheritance. It's an heirloom, not just

00:32:37.579 --> 00:32:40.019
an idea. It's a precious heirloom. And because

00:32:40.019 --> 00:32:41.960
it's an heirloom, you treat it with respect.

00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.440
You don't take a sledgehammer to the whole house

00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.539
just because the floorboards squeak. You carefully

00:32:46.539 --> 00:32:49.819
fix the floorboards. Burke saw the French revolutionaries

00:32:49.819 --> 00:32:51.960
taking a slave hammer to their entire history,

00:32:52.059 --> 00:32:54.519
the church, the calendar, the monarchy, the nobility,

00:32:54.660 --> 00:32:56.740
thinking they could just design a better country

00:32:56.740 --> 00:32:59.259
from scratch on a blank piece of paper. And that

00:32:59.259 --> 00:33:01.910
terrified him. It terrified him because he believed

00:33:01.910 --> 00:33:04.529
that human society is infinitely more complex

00:33:04.529 --> 00:33:09.490
than any one generation can possibly understand.

00:33:09.990 --> 00:33:12.589
This leads to his most profound statement on

00:33:12.589 --> 00:33:15.589
the nature of society. He wrote that society

00:33:15.589 --> 00:33:17.970
is a partnership. Oh, this quote is incredible.

00:33:18.269 --> 00:33:20.269
A partnership not only between those who are

00:33:20.269 --> 00:33:22.589
living, but between those who are living, those

00:33:22.589 --> 00:33:25.109
who are dead and those who are to be born. That

00:33:25.109 --> 00:33:27.890
is such a heavy concept. It's a contract across

00:33:27.890 --> 00:33:31.309
time. If you destroy your institutions, you are

00:33:31.309 --> 00:33:33.369
stealing from your ancestors and you are cheating

00:33:33.369 --> 00:33:35.430
your descendants. Yes. You're breaking the chain.

00:33:35.789 --> 00:33:38.329
This is why he defended these institutions, the

00:33:38.329 --> 00:33:41.450
pleasing illusions and the drapery of life. He

00:33:41.450 --> 00:33:43.849
admitted that logically, a king is just a man.

00:33:43.890 --> 00:33:46.789
A queen is just a woman. But if you strip away

00:33:46.789 --> 00:33:49.170
all the pomp, the ceremony, the traditions that

00:33:49.170 --> 00:33:51.589
make power gentle and legitimate, you are left

00:33:51.589 --> 00:33:54.630
with nothing but naked, brutal power. And naked

00:33:54.630 --> 00:33:57.630
power is ugly. This leads us to that famous and

00:33:57.630 --> 00:33:59.690
very controversial Marie Antoinette passage.

00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.299
oh this is the part of the book that drew the

00:34:02.299 --> 00:34:05.819
most fire then and now he recounts seeing the

00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:08.199
queen of france years before as a young princess

00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:11.260
and he describes her as a delightful vision like

00:34:11.260 --> 00:34:14.480
a morning star and he laments her fall from grace

00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.139
her humiliation by the mob and then he writes

00:34:17.139 --> 00:34:20.869
that iconic line He writes, but the age of chivalry

00:34:20.869 --> 00:34:24.469
is gone. That of sophisters, economists and calculators

00:34:24.469 --> 00:34:27.570
has succeeded and the glory of Europe is extinguished

00:34:27.570 --> 00:34:30.329
forever. Sophisters, economists and calculators.

00:34:30.409 --> 00:34:33.409
He is basically predicting the rise of the cold,

00:34:33.510 --> 00:34:36.730
rational, technocratic mindset. But this passage

00:34:36.730 --> 00:34:39.760
got him absolutely roasted, didn't it? Massive,

00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.159
massive backlash. Thomas Paine wrote his book

00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.900
Rights of Man specifically as a blistering rebuttal

00:34:44.900 --> 00:34:47.000
to Burke. And Mary Wollstonecraft, the great

00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.239
feminist thinker, wrote A Vindication of the

00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.219
Rights of Men. And Paine had that absolutely

00:34:51.219 --> 00:34:53.559
biting line about Burke. He did. He said Burke

00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:56.000
pities the plumage but forgets the dying bird.

00:34:56.179 --> 00:34:58.719
Ouch. The meaning being that Burke is crying

00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.119
over the queen's fancy clothes and her lost dignity

00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.460
while completely ignoring the French peasants

00:35:03.460 --> 00:35:05.300
who were starving to death under the old regime.

00:35:05.769 --> 00:35:08.449
And it was a fair critique in some ways. Burke

00:35:08.449 --> 00:35:11.369
was romanticizing a deeply flawed and unjust

00:35:11.369 --> 00:35:13.989
system. But Burke's deeper point wasn't that

00:35:13.989 --> 00:35:16.929
the old regime was perfect. His point was that

00:35:16.929 --> 00:35:19.469
if you tear down the plumage, the culture, the

00:35:19.469 --> 00:35:22.110
manners, the religion, the traditions that soften

00:35:22.110 --> 00:35:25.579
power, You don't get a healthy free bird. You

00:35:25.579 --> 00:35:27.820
get a vulture. You get the guillotine. And he

00:35:27.820 --> 00:35:29.699
was right about the violence. He predicted the

00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:31.539
reign of terror years before it happened. He

00:35:31.539 --> 00:35:33.639
was. He saw that once you destroy traditional

00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.659
authority, the things people obey out of habit,

00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.800
affection, and respect, the only thing left to

00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.219
make people obey is naked force. Terror. And

00:35:43.219 --> 00:35:46.119
this issue, this book. It just split the Whig

00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.639
Party in two. It destroyed his closest friendships,

00:35:48.860 --> 00:35:50.860
most famously his friendship with Charles James

00:35:50.860 --> 00:35:53.539
Fox. That moment is one of the great tragedies

00:35:53.539 --> 00:35:55.619
of British political history. Fox and Burke were

00:35:55.619 --> 00:35:57.639
the closest of friends and political allies for

00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.679
decades. But Fox was a romantic, and he loved

00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:02.739
the French Revolution. And this led to a final

00:36:02.739 --> 00:36:05.739
public break in Parliament. It did. In a debate

00:36:05.739 --> 00:36:09.260
in 1791, Fox gave a speech praising the new French

00:36:09.260 --> 00:36:12.079
Constitution. Burke then stood up and delivered

00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.480
a furious condemnation of it. As he spoke, Fox,

00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:17.360
who was sitting next to him, leaned over and

00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.420
whispered, There is no loss of friendship. And

00:36:20.420 --> 00:36:23.190
Burke's reply. Burke replied, loud enough for

00:36:23.190 --> 00:36:25.130
the whole House of Commons to hear. I regret

00:36:25.130 --> 00:36:27.730
to say there is. I have done my duty, though

00:36:27.730 --> 00:36:30.030
I have lost my friend. There is a loss of friends.

00:36:30.170 --> 00:36:32.630
I know the price of my conduct. Fox actually

00:36:32.630 --> 00:36:35.590
wept in his seat. He did. Tears were seen rolling

00:36:35.590 --> 00:36:38.210
down his cheeks. It was the end of an era, the

00:36:38.210 --> 00:36:40.929
end of a great political partnership. But Burke

00:36:40.929 --> 00:36:43.570
felt he had no choice. He was convinced that

00:36:43.570 --> 00:36:45.849
French ideas were a contagion that would destroy

00:36:45.849 --> 00:36:48.150
Britain if they weren't stopped. He became almost

00:36:48.150 --> 00:36:50.820
a man possessed by this idea, which leads. to

00:36:50.820 --> 00:36:53.639
the dramatic dagger scene. Oh, yes. This is pure

00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:57.179
political theater. In 1792, Burke is giving a

00:36:57.179 --> 00:36:59.800
speech on the dangers of French agents in Britain.

00:36:59.980 --> 00:37:02.519
He claims that thousands of daggers have been

00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:04.679
ordered from the city of Birmingham to be used

00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.280
by French revolutionaries. And to prove his point,

00:37:07.340 --> 00:37:10.809
he reaches into his coat. whips out a real dagger

00:37:10.809 --> 00:37:12.909
and throws it onto the floor of the House of

00:37:12.909 --> 00:37:16.090
Commons. A literal mic drop, but with a weapon.

00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:18.369
It clattered on the floorboards and he shouted,

00:37:18.510 --> 00:37:20.750
This is what you are to gain by an alliance with

00:37:20.750 --> 00:37:23.130
France. This is the fraternity they offer you.

00:37:23.369 --> 00:37:26.210
That is just intense. Some of his old friends

00:37:26.210 --> 00:37:28.110
thought he was going mad, right? That he'd lost

00:37:28.110 --> 00:37:30.309
his mind. They did. They thought he'd become

00:37:30.309 --> 00:37:34.610
a paranoid, unhinged reactionary. But his predictions

00:37:34.610 --> 00:37:37.170
just kept coming true. He didn't just predict

00:37:37.170 --> 00:37:39.550
the guillotine. He predicted... Napoleon. How

00:37:39.550 --> 00:37:41.670
did he do that? In the Reflections, he wrote

00:37:41.670 --> 00:37:43.730
that as the revolution descended into chaos,

00:37:44.010 --> 00:37:46.190
the French Assembly would eventually lose control

00:37:46.190 --> 00:37:49.150
to its own army. And he said that some popular

00:37:49.150 --> 00:37:51.869
general who understands the art of conciliating

00:37:51.869 --> 00:37:54.269
the soldiery shall become the master of your

00:37:54.269 --> 00:37:56.570
whole republic. Which is exactly what happened

00:37:56.570 --> 00:37:58.949
with Napoleon Bonaparte a few years later. And

00:37:58.949 --> 00:38:01.550
even deeper than that, you could argue that Burke

00:38:01.550 --> 00:38:04.570
was the first person to describe the modern totalitarian

00:38:04.570 --> 00:38:07.400
state. How so? He saw that the new French state

00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.699
wasn't just changing the government. It was trying

00:38:09.699 --> 00:38:12.480
to change everything. They changed the calendar.

00:38:12.619 --> 00:38:14.739
They abolished the old provinces. They tried

00:38:14.739 --> 00:38:16.699
to create a new state religion. They changed

00:38:16.699 --> 00:38:18.619
the names of the months. They policed the way

00:38:18.619 --> 00:38:21.400
people spoke. He wrote in his later letters that

00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:25.139
this new state had dominion and conquest for

00:38:25.139 --> 00:38:28.460
its sole object's dominion over minds by proselytism,

00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:31.579
over bodies by arms. He saw that a state based

00:38:31.579 --> 00:38:35.739
on a pure, abstract ideology recognizes no limits.

00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.139
It has to control your mind. That sounds terrifyingly

00:38:39.139 --> 00:38:41.599
like the 20th century. It connects directly to

00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:43.980
the horrors of the 20th century. That's why Burke

00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:46.860
is still read. He warned us 200 years in advance

00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:49.119
about what happens when you try to create a perfect

00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.079
utopia by tearing up all the roots of an existing

00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.780
society. So Burke spends his final years as this

00:38:54.780 --> 00:38:57.340
sort of prophet of doom, shouting about the dangers

00:38:57.340 --> 00:39:00.019
from France. But his personal life was crumbling

00:39:00.019 --> 00:39:03.409
at the same time. It was incredibly tragic. He

00:39:03.409 --> 00:39:06.650
retired from Parliament in 1794, right after

00:39:06.650 --> 00:39:09.550
the Hastings trial finally ended. He had hoped

00:39:09.550 --> 00:39:11.309
that his son, Richard, would take his seat in

00:39:11.309 --> 00:39:13.730
Parliament and carry on his work. Richard was

00:39:13.730 --> 00:39:15.989
his pride and joy, the center of his universe.

00:39:16.369 --> 00:39:19.670
But it wasn't to be. No. Richard died suddenly

00:39:19.670 --> 00:39:22.250
of tuberculosis that same year, and Burke was...

00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.059
utterly devastated he's broken by it completely

00:39:25.059 --> 00:39:28.079
broken he described himself as an old oak torn

00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.880
up by the roots he said the world was now a blank

00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.579
to him without his son he felt he had no future

00:39:33.579 --> 00:39:36.119
to leave behind but even in his grief he could

00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:39.400
still fight he wrote one last great piece the

00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.829
letter to a noble lord In 1796, this was a ferocious

00:39:43.829 --> 00:39:47.250
clapback, wasn't it? A massive, righteous clapback.

00:39:47.369 --> 00:39:50.730
The Duke of Bedford, a young, super -rich aristocrat

00:39:50.730 --> 00:39:52.610
who sympathized with the French Revolution, had

00:39:52.610 --> 00:39:54.469
attacked Burke in the House of Lords for accepting

00:39:54.469 --> 00:39:56.670
a government pension. He basically said, why

00:39:56.670 --> 00:39:58.590
is this old commoner getting money from the taxpayers?

00:39:59.030 --> 00:40:00.989
Which is pretty rich, coming from a duke whose

00:40:00.989 --> 00:40:03.789
entire fortune was inherited. Exactly. And Burke

00:40:03.789 --> 00:40:06.809
just tears him apart. He contrasts his own life

00:40:06.809 --> 00:40:09.449
of hard work and public service, his earned pension,

00:40:09.690 --> 00:40:12.050
with the Duke's unearned inherited privilege.

00:40:12.329 --> 00:40:15.030
And he reminds the Duke with devastating historical

00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:18.289
detail that the vast wealth of the Bedford family

00:40:18.289 --> 00:40:21.829
came directly from King Henry VIII looting the

00:40:21.829 --> 00:40:24.210
Catholic Church during the Reformation. So he's

00:40:24.210 --> 00:40:26.469
saying, don't you dare talk to me about where

00:40:26.469 --> 00:40:29.269
money comes from. Your entire fortune is founded

00:40:29.269 --> 00:40:31.719
on an act of revolutionary plunder. And then

00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:33.920
he delivers the killer blow. He warns the Duke,

00:40:34.059 --> 00:40:36.480
the French revolutionaries you are flirting with,

00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:38.760
they don't care about your liberal ideas. They

00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.000
will treat you and your property just like they

00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:42.980
treated the French nobility. They will shop you

00:40:42.980 --> 00:40:45.719
up. He calls the revolutionaries the minters

00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.380
of coin who will happily melt down the Duke's

00:40:48.380 --> 00:40:50.579
coronet without a second thought. Burke, the

00:40:50.579 --> 00:40:52.920
commoner, defending his own merit against an

00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.760
aristocrat. It shows again that he wasn't a blind

00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.460
defender of the rich. He was a defender of order,

00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.869
but he believed in earned worth. And he believed

00:41:01.869 --> 00:41:04.190
in free markets, too. We haven't touched on that

00:41:04.190 --> 00:41:06.530
much, but it's an important part of his thought.

00:41:07.090 --> 00:41:09.570
Adam Smith, the father of modern capitalism,

00:41:09.789 --> 00:41:12.550
apparently said that Burke was the only man he

00:41:12.550 --> 00:41:14.849
knew who thought exactly as he did on economics

00:41:14.849 --> 00:41:17.809
without any prior communication. And Burke wrote

00:41:17.809 --> 00:41:20.550
a piece on this, Thoughts and Details on Scarcity,

00:41:20.690 --> 00:41:24.769
in 1795. Yes, during a terrible famine. And while

00:41:24.769 --> 00:41:26.670
others were calling for government price controls

00:41:26.670 --> 00:41:29.650
and wage fixing, Burke argued against it. He

00:41:29.650 --> 00:41:32.489
believed in the natural price of the market and

00:41:32.489 --> 00:41:34.429
that government interference would only make

00:41:34.429 --> 00:41:37.630
the scarcity worse. So economically, you could

00:41:37.630 --> 00:41:40.130
call him a classical liberal. Okay, before we

00:41:40.130 --> 00:41:41.750
get to the end of his life and sum it all up,

00:41:41.789 --> 00:41:44.809
we have to do the debunking, the quote. The only

00:41:44.809 --> 00:41:47.349
thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for

00:41:47.349 --> 00:41:50.190
good men to do nothing. It's a fantastic quote.

00:41:50.230 --> 00:41:52.789
It's powerful. It's memorable. It's on mugs,

00:41:52.829 --> 00:41:55.730
t -shirts, inspirational posters. But Edmund

00:41:55.730 --> 00:41:57.710
Burke never wrote it. He did not. It appears

00:41:57.710 --> 00:41:59.750
nowhere in his collected works. So where does

00:41:59.750 --> 00:42:01.289
it come from? How did it get attached to him?

00:42:01.630 --> 00:42:03.909
It's a mutation. It's an evolution of an idea

00:42:03.909 --> 00:42:06.789
he did express. The closest thing he actually

00:42:06.789 --> 00:42:09.329
wrote was way back in thoughts on the cause of

00:42:09.329 --> 00:42:12.309
the present discontents back in 1770 when he

00:42:12.309 --> 00:42:14.329
was arguing for political parties. He wrote,

00:42:14.670 --> 00:42:17.510
When bad men combine, the good must associate,

00:42:17.889 --> 00:42:21.449
else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice

00:42:21.449 --> 00:42:24.469
and a contemptible struggle. When bad men combine,

00:42:24.750 --> 00:42:26.869
the good must associate. It carries the same

00:42:26.869 --> 00:42:29.690
core meaning that you need collective action

00:42:29.690 --> 00:42:32.309
to stop evil. But the phrasing is different.

00:42:32.369 --> 00:42:34.369
It's more specific. It is. It's about organization,

00:42:34.610 --> 00:42:37.429
not just individual inaction. And the good men

00:42:37.429 --> 00:42:39.590
do nothing version probably evolved over the

00:42:39.590 --> 00:42:41.750
19th and 20th centuries, getting punchier and

00:42:41.750 --> 00:42:44.269
more memorable with every misquotation until

00:42:44.269 --> 00:42:46.590
it stuck to Burke, who seemed like the most likely

00:42:46.590 --> 00:42:49.550
author. But the sentiment is pure Burke. Evil

00:42:49.550 --> 00:42:51.949
is organized. Therefore, good must be organized,

00:42:52.070 --> 00:42:55.809
too. Burke died in 1797, likely of stomach cancer.

00:42:56.050 --> 00:42:58.829
And he was buried in Beaconsfield in an unmarked

00:42:58.829 --> 00:43:01.340
grave at his own request. Which is a telling

00:43:01.340 --> 00:43:03.719
detail. He did that to avoid his grave being

00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.239
desecrated by French Jacobins if they ever invaded

00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.480
England. He was genuinely terrified right up

00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.719
to the end that the revolution was coming for

00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:14.119
him. He died fearing the world he knew was ending.

00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.280
He didn't live to see that his ideas would eventually

00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.559
help steal Britain's resolve against Napoleon

00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.579
and stabilize Europe for a century. He died in

00:43:22.579 --> 00:43:25.059
the dark not knowing his own legacy. So let's

00:43:25.059 --> 00:43:27.260
bring it all home. We started with the paradox.

00:43:28.059 --> 00:43:30.699
The liberal conservative. the man who supported

00:43:30.699 --> 00:43:33.559
one revolution and condemned another. How do

00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.019
we sum this up? How do we solve the riddle? I

00:43:36.019 --> 00:43:38.639
think the key, the one consistent thread through

00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.460
his entire life is this. Burke hated the abuse

00:43:42.460 --> 00:43:44.980
of power. Simple as that. Whether that abuse

00:43:44.980 --> 00:43:47.340
came from a king and his government in America,

00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:50.159
a powerful corporation in India, or a revolutionary

00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:52.800
mob in France. That's a great way to frame it.

00:43:52.900 --> 00:43:55.460
The source of the threat changed, but his principle

00:43:55.460 --> 00:43:58.900
didn't. Exactly. In America and India, he defended

00:43:58.900 --> 00:44:00.940
liberty because established power was crushing

00:44:00.940 --> 00:44:03.559
it. In France, he defended order and tradition

00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.460
because a new ideological power was crushing

00:44:06.460 --> 00:44:09.239
them. He believed that liberty is only possible

00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:11.780
when it is rooted in tradition, order and self

00:44:11.780 --> 00:44:13.860
-restraint. If you have liberty without order,

00:44:13.940 --> 00:44:17.440
you just have chaos. And chaos, for Burke, always,

00:44:17.539 --> 00:44:20.159
always leads to tyranny. He's the guy who's constantly

00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:21.920
saying, be careful, don't tear down the fence

00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.920
until you know exactly why it was put up in the

00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.760
first place. That is the absolute essence of

00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.579
Burkean conservatism. It's not about never changing.

00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.800
He believed a state that cannot change cannot

00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.400
preserve itself. It's about changing carefully,

00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:39.159
reforming in order to preserve, not innovating

00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:41.610
in order to destroy. I want to leave our listeners

00:44:41.610 --> 00:44:43.829
with a final thought, one that struck me while

00:44:43.829 --> 00:44:46.809
reading his defense of prejudice. Now, our modern

00:44:46.809 --> 00:44:48.909
world, prejudice is one of the worst words we

00:44:48.909 --> 00:44:51.570
can use. It means bigotry. Right. It has a purely

00:44:51.570 --> 00:44:54.230
negative connotation for us. But Burke used it

00:44:54.230 --> 00:44:56.789
in its original literal sense as a prejudgment.

00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:59.920
He saw it as the wisdom inherent in our habits,

00:45:00.019 --> 00:45:03.320
our gut feelings, our traditions. Yes. He has

00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:06.420
this amazing line, prejudice renders a man's

00:45:06.420 --> 00:45:09.380
virtue his habit. It means you don't have to

00:45:09.380 --> 00:45:11.460
wake up every morning and calculate every moral

00:45:11.460 --> 00:45:14.820
decision from scratch using pure reason. You

00:45:14.820 --> 00:45:17.519
rely on the bank and capital of nations and of

00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.000
ages. You rely on the stored wisdom of your culture.

00:45:21.469 --> 00:45:23.530
And that's the provocative question for us today,

00:45:23.650 --> 00:45:26.389
isn't it? We live in a world that loves to deconstruct

00:45:26.389 --> 00:45:28.550
everything. We question every tradition, every

00:45:28.550 --> 00:45:31.449
institution, every norm. We're encouraged to

00:45:31.449 --> 00:45:34.570
start from first principles on everything from

00:45:34.570 --> 00:45:37.909
gender to government to economics. And Burke's

00:45:37.909 --> 00:45:40.690
ghost is standing over our shoulder asking a

00:45:40.690 --> 00:45:43.739
very unsettling question. Are you smart enough

00:45:43.739 --> 00:45:46.400
for that? Do we as individuals really have enough

00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:49.119
intellectual capital to run an entire civilization

00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.480
on our own private stock of reason? Or do we

00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.179
need the store of wisdom of the past, even the

00:45:54.179 --> 00:45:56.480
parts we don't fully understand or can't logically

00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:58.820
justify, to keep us from falling off the cliff?

00:45:59.019 --> 00:46:00.760
It's a deep and challenging question. Are we

00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.880
standing on the shoulders of giants or are we

00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.320
busy chopping them down at the knees? Burke would

00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:07.440
have had a very clear answer. A question worth

00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.219
chewing on. Thank you for listening to this deep

00:46:10.219 --> 00:46:13.219
dive into Edmund Burke. We hope you view those

00:46:13.219 --> 00:46:15.360
statues a little differently now. And maybe read

00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:17.639
the reflections. It's difficult, but it's worth

00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:20.019
the effort. Until next time, keep diving deep.
