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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today we are doing

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something a little bit different. A little bit.

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Usually we take a topic, you know, a concept

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or an event, and we rip it open to see what makes

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it tick. But today we were looking at a man who

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was, well, he was quite literally designed to

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be a machine. That's not an exaggeration either.

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No, not at all. We're tackling a figure who the

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Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy calls, and

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I'm quoting here, the most influential English

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-speaking philologist of the 19th century. It's

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a massive title, but honestly, it might even

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be an understatement. I mean, if you look at

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the way modern democracies function, how we think

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about free scooch, how we argue about gender

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equality, even how we define happiness itself.

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It all traces back to this one guy. It all, in

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some way, comes back to John Stuart Mill. But

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the thing that hooked me, looking through all

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these sources, isn't just the philosophy, as

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fascinating as it is, it's the biography. I mean,

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we're about to unpack the life of a man who is

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essentially bred in a lab to be a genius. Bred

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in a lab is a very colorful way to put it, but

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it's really not far from the truth at all. And

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because of that, he suffers this massive mental

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breakdown. He falls deeply in love with a married

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woman and, you know, waits over 20 years for

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her. And somehow, through all of that... He manages

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to reconcile cold, hard logic with deep human

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emotion. And that tension, that's really the

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key to understanding him, isn't it? The tension

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between the rigid, almost brutal logic he was

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raised on and the messy, complicated human emotion

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he discovered for himself. Exactly. So that's

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our mission today. We want to understand how

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he navigated that tension. We want to see how

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his ideas on things like the harm principle,

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utilitarianism, and the subjection of women became,

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well, the bedrock for modern liberal democracy.

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And we have a huge stack of sources to draw from.

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It's really a remarkably well -documented life.

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It is. We're looking at extensive biographical

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records, his own autobiography, which, by the

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way, reads like a psychological thriller in some

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parts. It's incredible. It really is. And then,

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of course, his major works. We're digging into

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on liberty, utilitarianism, the subjection of

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women, and his principles of political economy.

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Plus, we have all these historical accounts of

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his political career, his personal life, his

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letters. It's a lot. It's a lot of ground to

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cover, but it paints a very, very complete picture

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of an incredibly complex figure. So let's just

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jump right into it. Part one, the experiment.

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And I really think we have to frame it that way.

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This was an experiment. Absolutely. And to do

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that, we have to introduce the architects of

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this project. His father, James Mill, and his

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father's best friend, the famous philosopher

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Jeremy Bentham. These two are crucial context.

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You can't understand John Stuart Mill without

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understanding them. James Mill was a Scottish

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philosopher, historian, a very serious, very

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intense, almost severe man. And Bentham, of course,

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was the father of utilitarianism. Right. They

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were part of this group called the Philosophic

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Radicals. Radicals makes them sound like they

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were, you know, throwing Molotov cocktails, but

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they were really incredibly intense nerds. Intellectual

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radicals for sure. They had a very specific and

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to them a very scientific worldview. The core

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of it was utilitarianism, the idea that actions

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are right if they produce the greatest happiness

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for the greatest number of people. The greatest

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good for the greatest number. We've all heard

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that. But they were also very rigid, very analytical.

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They believed the human mind was a tabula rasa,

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a blank slate. So nurture over nature. To the

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absolute extreme. To the absolute extreme. They

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genuinely believed that if you controlled all

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the input, every single piece of information

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a child received, you could perfectly control

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the output. You could design a person. And they

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decided that young John Stuart Mill was going

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to be their vessel. He was the test subject.

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He was. The goal, their explicit goal, was to

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create a genius intellect, a successor who could

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carry on the cause of utilitarianism after they

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died. So they designed a curriculum to do it.

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And when I saw the details of this curriculum

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in our notes, I actually laughed out loud. It

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is completely absurd. It is staggering. It creates

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a sense of profound inadequacy in anyone who

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reads it, I think. OK, let's just list some of

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this because you really need to hear it to believe

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it. Yeah. He started learning ancient Greek at

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age three. Three years old. I was eating dirt

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at three. I was learning not to walk into walls.

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Right. And this wasn't just, you know, learning

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the Greek alphabet. This was intensive. By the

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time he was eight years old, he had read. all

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of Aesop's fables in the original Greek. Okay.

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Xenophon's Anabasis, the whole of Herodotus.

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Herodotus at eight. That's thousands of pages

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of dense ancient history. Yeah. And he wasn't

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just reading them passively, was he? No, absolutely

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not. That wasn't the method. He had to recount

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everything to his father. Every evening, they

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would go for a long walk, and John would have

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to give a full, detailed report of what he had

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learned that day. His father would correct him,

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quiz him. It was relentless. And it wasn't just

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the humanities. He was doing arithmetic, physics,

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astronomy, and history alongside all of this.

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All at the same time. The notes say that by age

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eight, he was starting Latin. And by age 10,

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he was reading Plato and Demosthenes with ease.

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In the original Greek. In the original Greek.

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I mean, at an age when most kids are reading

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fairy tales, he's reading Plato's dialogues.

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By 12, he's moving on to scholastic logic Aristotle.

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And then political economy. He's studying Adam

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Smith and David Ricardo. And Ricardo is such

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an interesting figure here. David Ricardo was

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one of the great classical economists and a close

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friend of James Mill. So sources describe these

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walking seminars where Ricardo would invite the

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young boy, remember a 12 or 13 year old kid,

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to go for walks with him just to discuss political

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economy. Can you just imagine that? You're 13.

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You're having a casual stroll with one of the

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most famous economists in history. And you're

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debating what? The labor theory of value. The

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law of diminishing returns. It's mind -boggling.

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It certainly set him apart. But, and this is

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the crucial part, there is a huge cost to this.

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Of course. You mentioned he was shielded. His

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father deliberately kept him away from other

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children. He didn't have friends his own age.

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He wasn't allowed to play games. He didn't have

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play at all, in the way we understand it. His

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only companions were his father and his younger

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siblings. And he wasn't just hanging out with

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his siblings. He was their teacher. That part

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is just... It's brutal. That's a crucial point.

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It was part of the system. As soon as John learned

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something, he was immediately tasked with teaching

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it to the younger children. So not only did he

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have the pressure of learning it perfectly himself.

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And the pressure of performing for his father

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on those walks. He then had the pressure of having

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to instruct his siblings. It was a high pressure

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cooker environment from the second he woke up

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to the second he went to sleep. He was a brain

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in a jar. A very, very well educated jar. But

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still, he was built to be a reasoning machine.

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And for a while, it worked. I mean, the experiment

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was, in a way, a success. He was a prodigy. He

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was publishing in academic journals in his late

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teens. He was editing Bentham's massive, almost

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unreadable manuscripts. But then, almost inevitably,

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the machine broke. The crash. The great mental

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crisis of 1826. He was 20 years old. This part

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of the autobiography is so raw and so... Relatable,

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actually, despite his bizarre upbringing. He's

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grinding away. He's working for the cause of

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utilitarianism, promoting reform. And then suddenly

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he just hits a wall. He describes it as a dull

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state of nerves. The joy just drains out of everything.

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And he asked himself this one pivotal question.

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I think this is such a haunting, powerful moment.

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It is the turning point of his entire life and

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his entire philosophy. He asked himself, and

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you can feel the weight of it when you read it,

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if all your objects in life were realized, if

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all the changes in institutions and opinions

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which you are looking forward to could be completely

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affected at this very instant, would this be

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a great joy and happiness to you? And his heart.

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heart just sank. The answer was no. An emphatic

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no. He says, an irrepressible self -consciousness

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distinctly answered no. That is just devastating.

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It's the ultimate existential crisis, isn't it?

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He realized that even if he won, even if he achieved

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everything he'd been trained his entire life

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to achieve, if he fixed the world exactly how

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his dad wanted, he wouldn't feel a thing. His

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purpose just evaporated. It completely dismantled

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him. He realized that his education had given

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him these incredible intellectual tools. He could

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analyze, he could argue, he could deconstruct

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anything, but it had completely neglected the

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education of his feelings. He said his habit

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of analysis had become a perpetual worm at the

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root of his passions. He had no emotional connection

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to the work. He was, as he feared, just a machine.

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And he fell into a deep, deep depression. For

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months. He writes about contemplating suicide.

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He felt like he had nothing left to live for.

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But then, slowly, he found a cure. And it wasn't

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more logic. It wasn't a better argument. No,

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it was the last thing his father would have prescribed.

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It was poetry, specifically the poetry of William

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Wordsworth. Which is so funny because his dad

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and Bentham, they basically thought poetry was

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nonsense, right? They viewed it as misrepresentation.

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If a statement wasn't factually, literally precise,

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it was basically a form of lying. It served no

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utility. But Mill is reading Wordsworth and he

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has this epiphany. He reads these poems about

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natural beauty, about common human feelings,

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and he finds himself moved. He realizes that

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beauty can generate compassion. It can stimulate

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joy. It wasn't just about calculating utility.

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It was about feeling something. He realized feelings

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were the source of all value. So emotion wasn't

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a weakness or a bug in the system. It was the

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fuel. It was the whole point. Exactly. And that

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was a massive revolutionary shift for him. It

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moved him away from that cold, abstract, almost

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mathematical benthamite calculation toward a

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much more human -centric worldview. And out of

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this depression, he develops an insight about

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happiness that I think is just brilliant. He

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calls it the paradox of hedonism. It's such a

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profound observation. So what is that? He realized

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that if you consciously ask yourself, am I happy,

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you immediately stop being happy. The very act

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of scrutinizing the feeling makes it disappear.

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Because you're analyzing it instead of just feeling

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it. You're back in your head. You're back in

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your head. Exactly. So he concluded that happiness

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is best achieved en passant, in passing. You

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don't aim for happiness directly. You sort of

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sneak up on it. Yeah. You sneak up on it. You

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aim for some other object, the improvement of

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mankind, a creative pursuit, the happiness of

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others. And then, as he beautifully puts it,

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you inhale happiness with the air you breathe.

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That is such a modern piece of advice. I mean,

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that's what every therapist will tell you today.

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Stop chasing the idea of happiness and just go

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do meaningful things. It completely saved his

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life. And this emotional awakening, this new

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understanding of the inner life, it really set

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the stage for the next major chapter of his life,

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which involves the person who would become arguably

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the most important influence on his work. Harriet

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Taylor. Harriet Taylor. So part two, the muse

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and the partner. It's 1830. Mill is around 24,

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25. He's coming out of this crisis. And he meets

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Harriet Taylor at a dinner party. And by all

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accounts, the connection was immediate and electric.

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She was brilliant. She was passionate. She was

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radical in her thinking. She was everything he

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was starting to realize he needed. And there's

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just one small problem. She's married. Right.

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Not just married. She has a husband, John Taylor,

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and children. But Mill and Harriet hit it off

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immediately. They have this intense intellectual

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and emotional connection. And thus begins one

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of the most unusual and for its time scandalous

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relationships in Victorian history. It lasted

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for 21 years before they could marry. For two

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decades, they maintained what they called an

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intimate friendship. Which sounds like a euphemism,

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but it probably wasn't. The general historical

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consensus, based on their letters and everything

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we know, is that the relationship was chaste

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until her husband died. But they were constantly

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together. They were writing together, talking,

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traveling together whenever they could. It was

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a partnership in every way but the physical.

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So how did the husband handle this? I mean, in

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Victorian England, that sounds like a recipe

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for a duel. John Taylor seems to have been an

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incredibly tolerant, if long -suffering man.

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He was a successful pharmacist, a decent person,

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but he just wasn't Harriet's intellectual equal,

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and he seemed to know it. He accepted that Mill

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provided a kind of mental and emotional companionship

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that he couldn't. It seems so. It was certainly

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an awkward triangle. They would have dinner together,

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the three of them. It was very strange, but they

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made it work in their own way for two decades.

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But we really need to clarify something here,

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because history, especially older biographies,

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often writes Harriet off as just the love interest

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or the muse. But the source material... especially

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Mill's own writing, suggests she was way, way

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more than that. Oh, absolutely. We have to debunk

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the great man myth here. Mill himself credited

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her constantly and lavishly. He called her mind

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a perfect instrument and considered her the most

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eminently qualified of all the people he knew,

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including all the famous male thinkers of his

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day. He actually said that in many cases he was

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just the amanuensis, which is basically a fancy

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word for a secretary writing down her ideas.

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He did. He saw their work as a complete collaboration,

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especially when it came to their most radical

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ideas on women's rights, on socialism. So specific

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works like The Subjection of Women and his most

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famous book on liberty, which was published shortly

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after her death. He said those were joint productions.

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The socialist chapters of his Principles of Political

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Economy, he says those were her influence. She

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pushed him. She took his logical framework and

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filled it with this human urgency. She consistently

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made him more radical. They finally married in

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1851, two years after her first husband, John

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Taylor, died of cancer. And this is where we

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see Mel putting his money where his mouth is

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when it comes to women's rights. He writes a

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marriage contract. Which was an extraordinary

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thing to do. You have to remember, under Victorian

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law, when a woman married, she suffered what

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was called civil death. Civil death. That's a

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chilling term. It is. She essentially became

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the legal property of her husband. Her entire

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legal identity was subsumed by his. She couldn't

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own property in her own name. She couldn't sign

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contracts. She had no rights over her own children.

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So Mill writes this formal private document before

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they marry, basically saying, I refuse to be

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a tyrant. Exactly. He wrote a formal protest

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against the... odious marriage laws. He repudiated

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all the legal rights the law automatically gave

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him over her person and her property. He promised

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her absolute freedom of action, complete equality

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in the partnership. He refused to be a master

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in the eyes of the law, even if the law insisted

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on it. That is incredible allyship for 1851.

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But the story is just so tragic. They finally

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get to be together after waiting for 20 years.

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And she dies only seven years later. It's heartbreaking.

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In 1858, they're traveling through France. She

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contracts a respiratory illness, likely tuberculosis,

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and dies suddenly in Avignon. It completely devastated

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him. He wrote that the spring of his life was

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broken. He was absolutely broken. He bought a

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house in Avignon right across the road from the

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cemetery where she was buried, just so he could

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be close to her grave. He did. He furnished it

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with the furniture from the hotel room where

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she died. He spent a huge portion of his remaining

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life there, just writing and looking out the

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window at her grave. But in a way, her death

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spurred him to publish the works they had developed

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together. On Liberty, which came out in 1859,

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just a year later, is really a testament to their

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shared vision. He dedicated it to her. The dedication

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is beautiful and heartbreaking. He calls her

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the inspirer and in part the author of all that

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is best in my writings. Which brings us perfectly

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to part three. The Philosophy of Freedom on Liberty

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is probably his most famous, most enduring work.

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It's a short book, but it packs an incredible

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punch. And it tackles this core, eternal struggle

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in politics. The struggle between liberty and

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authority. And here's the nuance that people

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often miss. Mill wasn't just worried about the

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government clamping down on you. He wasn't just

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worried about a tyrannical king or a corrupt

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parliament. He was worried about something he

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thought was much more insidious. He was worried

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about... Social tyranny. The tyranny of the majority.

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Exactly. Which feels incredibly relevant in the

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age of social media, cancel culture, all of that.

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So what did he mean by that exactly? How is society

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a tyrant? He argued that society can practice

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a tyranny more formidable than many kinds of

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political oppression because it doesn't just

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punish your body. It enslaves the soul itself.

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Wow. It isn't about formal laws. It's about the

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crushing pressure to conform. It's about public

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opinion. It's about ostracization. shaming the

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collective weight of what everyone thinks, which

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can crush an individual's ability to be different.

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So even if the law says you're free to do something,

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if you know that doing it will make you a social

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outcast, will get you fired from your job, will

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make your neighbors hate you. You're not really

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free. They're not. Your soul is enslaved, as

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he puts it. And Mill believed that individuality,

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even eccentricity, was absolutely essential for

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human progress. If everyone thinks the same,

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if everyone lives the same, society stagnates.

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We need the outliers, the nonconformists, the

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people who are willing to experiment with different

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ways of living. So to protect this space for

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individuality, he establishes the central pillar

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of the entire book, the harm principle. This

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is his one simple rule for when society can interfere.

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It is a very simple but incredibly powerful rule.

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The harm principle states that, and I'm paraphrasing

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slightly, the only purpose for which power can

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be rightfully exercised over any member of a

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civilized community against his will is to prevent

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harm to others. To prevent harm to others. Let's

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break that down because everything hinges on

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that phrase. It does. So can I stop you from

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doing something because it's bad for you? Like

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if I see you smoking or making a really bad financial

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decision. Absolutely not. That is the crucial

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anti -paternalism stance. He says your own good,

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whether it's physical or moral, is not a sufficient

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warrant for interference. You cannot force someone

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to do something or not do something just because

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you think it will make them happier or wiser

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or a better person. He has that great line over

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himself, over his own body and mind. The individual

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is sovereign. Precisely. As long as you are not

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hurting anyone else, society needs to back off.

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Your life, your choices, your mistakes are your

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own business. But what counts as harm? That's

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the million -dollar question, isn't it? If my

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neighbor's lifestyle offends my religious beliefs,

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is that harm? If you say something that hurts

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my feelings, is that harm? Mill would say no

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to both of those. Offense is not harm. Disgust

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is not harm. Harm, for Mill, generally involves

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a direct violation of a distinct and assignable

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obligation or right. So things like violence,

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theft, fraud. He sets a very high bar for interference

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because he believes the cost of suppressing liberty

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is almost always higher than the cost of allowing

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someone to make a mistake. Now, he does carve

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out a couple of exceptions which are important.

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He says this principle doesn't apply to children.

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Right. Jitter need protection. They haven't reached

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maturity. So paternalism is appropriate there.

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And this is the controversial one we'll have

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to come back to. Yeah. He says it doesn't apply

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to backward states of society. The colonial caveat.

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Yeah, we will definitely unpack that later. It's

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a huge asterisk on the whole thing. It is. But

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sticking with the principle for a second, this

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naturally leads to his defense of free speech.

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And Mill is an absolute radical here. He doesn't

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just say, oh, we should tolerate opinions we

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don't like. He says we need to protect and even

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encourage the opinions we find abhorrent, even

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false opinions. This is one of his most brilliant

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and enduring arguments. He gives three main reasons

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why we must never, ever silence an opinion, no

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matter how wrong we think it is. OK, what's the

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first one? First, the silenced opinion might

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actually be true. Right. And to deny that possibility.

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is to assume our own infallibility. If we ban

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an idea, we are effectively saying, I am God.

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I am absolutely certain that I am right and this

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idea is wrong and there's zero chance I'm mistaken.

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And history is just one long story of humanity

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being wrong about things it was certain about.

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We persecuted Galileo for saying the earth moved.

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We killed Socrates for corrupting the youth.

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We're very, very often wrong. Okay, that makes

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sense. What's the second argument? The second

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is that even if the silenced opinion is false,

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it might contain a portion of the truth. He says

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that popular or received opinions are rarely

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the whole truth. They're usually just part of

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it. And we need the opposing erroneous view to

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supply the rest of the truth. So the truth is

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often found somewhere in the collision of two

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opposing ideas. Exactly. The full picture emerges

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from the debate. All right. And the third argument.

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This is the one that I find the most mind bending.

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it's the most powerful he says that even if the

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received opinion is the whole truth and the dissenting

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opinion is completely false we still need that

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false opinion we must allow it to be debated

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vigorously but why why do we need lies if we

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already have the truth because truth needs to

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be challenged to stay alive If a truth is never

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debated, never has to defend itself against error,

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it becomes what Mill calls a dead dogma. A dead

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dogma. We just repeat the words like a parrot

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without any real understanding of why it's true.

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The meaning is lost. The conflict with an error

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is what forces us to understand the grounds of

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our own beliefs. It keeps the truth vital and

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meaningful. So the crazy person yelling on the

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street corner is actually performing a public

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service by forcing me to articulate why I disagree

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with him. In Mill's view, yes. A vital public

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service. However, and this is crucial, there

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is a limit. Speech is not absolutely protected.

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And this is where he gives the famous corn dealer

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example. I love this example. It's so wonderfully

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specific and British. It is. So Mill says you

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are perfectly free to write an editorial in a

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newspaper arguing that corn dealers are starvers

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of the poor. That's an opinion on economics or

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social policy. It's protected speech. OK, that's

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fine. But if you go to the house of a specific

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corn dealer where an angry, hungry mob has gathered

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with pitchforks and you wave a placard with those

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same words on it, that is no longer protected

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speech. Because the context has changed everything.

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It's no longer a contribution to a debate. It's

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an instigation to a mischievous act. It's incitement

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to violence. The connection between the speech

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and the harm, the riot, is direct and immediate.

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It's not an argument. It's a weapon. And that

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prefigures the clear and present danger legal

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standard that we use in law today. It's the direct

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ancestor of it. It's not about the content of

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the words themselves, but the context, the manner,

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and the immediate predictable consequence. That's

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a crucial distinction. Okay, so that's liberty.

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But what is the goal of all this liberty? For

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Mill... It's still happiness. But he had to update

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the family business, so to speak. He had to rescue

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utilitarianism from his mentors. He did. So,

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part four, redefining happiness. The basic foundation

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of utilitarianism remained the same for him.

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Actions are right in proportion as they tend

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to promote happiness, and wrong as they produce

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the reverse. And happiness is defined as pleasure

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in the absence of pain. Right. But you have to

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recall that Jeremy Bentham had a very... crude

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quantitative view of this. This is the infamous

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pushpin is as good as poetry line. Exactly. Pushpin

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was a simple child's game like tiddlywinks. Bentham's

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point was that if an activity produces the same

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quantity of simple pleasure, then it is just

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as good as any other activity. Playing a dumb

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game is just as valuable as reading Shakespeare

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or listening to Mozart if the pleasure units

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are equal. And Mill, having had that breakdown

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and discovered the profound value of Wordsworth's

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poetry, just couldn't accept that. He couldn't.

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it struck him as a doctrine worthy only of swine

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so he introduces a revolutionary new concept

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into utilitarianism the idea of quality of pleasure

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some pleasures are just It's better than others.

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Inherently better. He argues that there are higher

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and lower pleasures. The pleasures of the intellect,

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of the feelings and imagination and of the moral

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sentiments are intrinsically superior to the

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pleasures of mere physical sensation. And this

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leads to my absolute favorite quote of his. It's

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so wonderfully elitist, but also so true. It

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is better to be a human being dissatisfied than

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a pig satisfied. Better to be Socrates dissatisfied

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than a fool satisfied. It is a devastating put

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down, but it's also a profound philosophical

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stance. He's saying there's a hierarchy of being.

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It's better to have a complex, developed mind

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that can appreciate art and truth and justice,

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even if that mind comes with anxiety and existential

00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.720
dread, than to be a simple, happy animal wallowing

00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.180
in the mud. But how do you prove that? That's

00:24:49.180 --> 00:24:51.200
the philosophical challenge, isn't it? How do

00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:54.259
you prove that poetry is objectively better than

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pushpin? Mill proposes what he calls the competent

00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:01.200
judge test. It's very clever, he says. Ask the

00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.539
people who have experienced both types of pleasure.

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Okay, so you find someone who has read... Shakespeare

00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:10.059
and played pushpin. Exactly. And he argues that

00:25:10.059 --> 00:25:12.380
any person who is competently acquainted with

00:25:12.380 --> 00:25:15.039
both will invariably give a marked preference

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to the higher pleasure. They will prefer the

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manner of existence which employs their higher

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faculties. Even if that higher pleasure comes

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with more struggle or dissatisfaction? Even then.

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He says no intelligent human being would consent

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to be a fool. No instructed person would be an

00:25:31.099 --> 00:25:33.640
ignoramus, even if they were persuaded that the

00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.480
fool or the ignoramus is better satisfied with

00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.460
his lot than they are with theirs. That's about

00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:41.240
dignity, really. It is. It saves utilitarianism

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from being a simple philosophy for hedonists.

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It transforms it into a philosophy about human

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flourishing, about aspiring to our higher modes

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of existence. Speaking of flourishing, we cannot

00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.279
talk about Mill without diving deep into part

00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.309
five. Women's rights. We've mentioned Harriet

00:25:58.309 --> 00:26:01.490
Taylor's immense influence here, but the work

00:26:01.490 --> 00:26:03.950
they produced together, the subjection of women,

00:26:04.089 --> 00:26:07.730
was just explosive for its time in 1869. Absolutely

00:26:07.730 --> 00:26:09.670
explosive. You have to remember the context.

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We mentioned he was only the second member of

00:26:12.009 --> 00:26:14.329
parliament ever to formally call for women's

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suffrage. But this book went so much further

00:26:16.950 --> 00:26:19.289
than just the right to vote. He attacks the entire

00:26:19.289 --> 00:26:21.750
legal and social structure of gender relations.

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The very first sentence of the book. is a declaration

00:26:25.049 --> 00:26:27.910
of war he says the principle which regulates

00:26:27.910 --> 00:26:30.369
the existing social relations between the sexes

00:26:30.369 --> 00:26:33.609
is wrong in itself and now one of the chief hindrances

00:26:33.609 --> 00:26:36.230
to human improvement he doesn't pull any punches

00:26:36.230 --> 00:26:38.809
he compares the position of married women to

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that of slaves he does and he's careful to say

00:26:41.329 --> 00:26:43.430
he's using the term rhetorically in some ways

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but also in a very real legal sense the lack

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of autonomy the inability to own property the

00:26:48.849 --> 00:26:50.869
lack of rights over one's own body and children

00:26:50.869 --> 00:26:54.079
he saw it as the last women of the ancient law

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of the strongest. And I know the standard argument

00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:59.200
against this back then and sometimes even today

00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.380
was, but it's natural. Women are naturally more

00:27:02.380 --> 00:27:05.339
nurturing or subservient or naturally better

00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:09.539
at domestic tasks. absolutely destroys that argument.

00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:11.720
He says we have no idea what female nature is

00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:13.720
because we have never seen it in a free state.

00:27:13.980 --> 00:27:17.519
He argues that what society calls nature is actually

00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.779
a completely artificial construct, the result

00:27:20.779 --> 00:27:23.119
of centuries of forced repression and a total

00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:25.980
lack of education and opportunity. He uses that

00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:28.619
great analogy, right, about the tree. He does.

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.019
He says you can't take a tree, grow it in a hothouse,

00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:33.299
bend it out of shape, and then claim that its

00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:35.960
stunted form is its natural state. You have to

00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:37.789
see what it becomes when it's... allowed to grow

00:27:37.789 --> 00:27:40.430
freely in the open air. So until women have the

00:27:40.430 --> 00:27:42.529
exact same opportunities, the same education,

00:27:42.730 --> 00:27:45.789
the same freedoms as men, any talk of their nature

00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:48.430
is just speculation used to justify oppression.

00:27:49.049 --> 00:27:52.170
Precisely. And he also brings in the classic

00:27:52.170 --> 00:27:55.869
utilitarian economic argument. He says, keeping

00:27:55.869 --> 00:27:57.910
half the human race in a state of subordination

00:27:57.910 --> 00:28:01.410
is a massive economic inefficiency. We are literally

00:28:01.410 --> 00:28:03.630
wasting half of the world's available talent.

00:28:03.809 --> 00:28:06.349
It's a drag on all human progress. It's just

00:28:06.349 --> 00:28:09.750
logic and justice hand in hand. Now, speaking

00:28:09.750 --> 00:28:12.589
of economics, this brings us to a really surprising

00:28:12.589 --> 00:28:16.829
part of his thought. Part six, economics, socialism

00:28:16.829 --> 00:28:19.900
and the environment. His economic views are fascinating

00:28:19.900 --> 00:28:22.400
because they evolve so much over his life. He

00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.920
starts out as a very conventional, classical

00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.880
free market economist, right? He's the intellectual

00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.359
heir to Adam Smith and his friend David Ricardo.

00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.039
Laissez -faire capitalism. Pretty much. But as

00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.160
he gets older, and again, this is almost certainly

00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.920
Harriet Taylor's influence pushing him, he drifts

00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.039
much further to the left toward what we would

00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.660
today call market socialism. Market socialism.

00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:44.680
Unpack that term for us. Well, he didn't want

00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:46.480
the state to run everything. He was a champion

00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.839
of liberty, so he hated... the idea of a top

00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:50.740
-down command economy. He thought it would kill

00:28:50.740 --> 00:28:53.079
innovation and freedom. So not Soviet -style

00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.900
communism. Definitely not that. No. But he also

00:28:56.900 --> 00:29:00.140
came to despise the wage system of capitalism.

00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:03.319
He didn't like the master -servant dynamic, where

00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.180
one person or group owns the capital and everyone

00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:08.700
else just rents their labor to them for a wage.

00:29:09.019 --> 00:29:12.000
He saw it as a transitional phase. So what was

00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.240
the solution? What was the next phase? Cooperatives.

00:29:14.750 --> 00:29:17.109
He envisioned a future where the wage system

00:29:17.109 --> 00:29:19.589
would be gradually abolished and replaced by

00:29:19.589 --> 00:29:22.230
worker owned associations. Oh, democracy in the

00:29:22.230 --> 00:29:24.509
workplace. Exactly. The workers in a factory

00:29:24.509 --> 00:29:26.990
or a farm would collectively own the capital

00:29:26.990 --> 00:29:29.650
and they would elect their own managers from

00:29:29.650 --> 00:29:31.730
among themselves. They would share in the profits.

00:29:31.809 --> 00:29:33.990
So you still have competition between these different

00:29:33.990 --> 00:29:36.410
cooperative firms in the marketplace. Yes. You

00:29:36.410 --> 00:29:38.710
preserve the efficiency and innovation of the

00:29:38.710 --> 00:29:41.869
market. But you end the fundamental class division

00:29:41.869 --> 00:29:44.890
between capitalists and laborers. Everyone becomes

00:29:44.890 --> 00:29:47.069
a partner. That is incredibly progressive, even

00:29:47.069 --> 00:29:49.509
for today, let alone the mid -19th century. Yeah.

00:29:49.670 --> 00:29:52.369
But the thing that really, truly blew my mind

00:29:52.369 --> 00:29:55.049
in the research notes was his take on economic

00:29:55.049 --> 00:29:57.910
growth. Because almost every economist, then

00:29:57.910 --> 00:30:01.049
and now, is obsessed with growth, growth, growth.

00:30:01.390 --> 00:30:05.769
GDP has to go up. Forever. And Mill in 1848 says

00:30:05.769 --> 00:30:09.890
stop. This is his concept of the stationary state.

00:30:10.029 --> 00:30:12.150
Explain this because it feels so modern. In his

00:30:12.150 --> 00:30:14.569
Principles of Political Economy, he argues that

00:30:14.569 --> 00:30:16.849
unlimited economic growth is not only impossible

00:30:16.849 --> 00:30:18.869
in the long run, but it's not even desirable.

00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:23.160
He says he is not charmed with the ideal of life

00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.519
held out by those who think that the normal state

00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.759
of human beings is that of struggling to get

00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:29.859
on. He has this beautiful visual description.

00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.680
He says a world with solitude, with natural beauty,

00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.940
with room to breathe, is better than a world

00:30:34.940 --> 00:30:37.579
where we've destroyed all of that just to support

00:30:37.579 --> 00:30:40.220
a larger population and more industry. He doesn't

00:30:40.220 --> 00:30:41.920
want to live in a crowded, wealthy industrial

00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.039
hive. He's essentially one of the very first

00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:47.720
environmental economists. He argues that once

00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:50.200
a society has achieved a efficient level of wealth

00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.480
where everyone's basic needs are met and people

00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.220
are comfortable, we should stop trying to get

00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:57.200
collectively richer and start trying to live

00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.480
better. Focus on the art of living, not just

00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.240
the accumulation of stuff. Precisely. He looked

00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.660
forward to a stationary state where population

00:31:04.660 --> 00:31:07.420
and capital stop growing, allowing for moral,

00:31:07.539 --> 00:31:10.579
cultural, and spiritual progress to take center

00:31:10.579 --> 00:31:13.970
stage. That's so hard today. I feel like he would

00:31:13.970 --> 00:31:17.109
look at our 24 -7 consumer culture and just shake

00:31:17.109 --> 00:31:19.450
his head in despair. He likely would. He saw

00:31:19.450 --> 00:31:22.049
that endless growth was a recipe for destroying

00:31:22.049 --> 00:31:24.950
the planet and ultimately our own quality of

00:31:24.950 --> 00:31:28.430
life. Okay, but this. Before we completely canonize

00:31:28.430 --> 00:31:31.049
him as a progressive saint, we have to look at

00:31:31.049 --> 00:31:33.269
the messy parts. The really difficult parts.

00:31:33.329 --> 00:31:36.380
We do. Part 7. The complexities and contradictions.

00:31:36.740 --> 00:31:38.920
Because while he's writing these incredible books

00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.059
about liberty and feminism and environmentalism,

00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.160
he also has a day job. Yes. For 35 years, from

00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.400
the age of 17 until he was in his 50s, John Stuart

00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:50.940
Mill worked for the East India Company. And he

00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:53.339
wasn't just a low -level clerk. He rose through

00:31:53.339 --> 00:31:55.500
the ranks to become the examiner of Indian correspondence.

00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:58.259
He was a high -ranking colonial administrator.

00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.160
A key figure in the governance of British India.

00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:04.109
So the man who wrote On Liberty. was helping

00:32:04.109 --> 00:32:06.789
to run the British Empire. How on earth did he

00:32:06.789 --> 00:32:09.210
justify that in his own mind? This is where we

00:32:09.210 --> 00:32:11.470
come back to that glaring exception in the harm

00:32:11.470 --> 00:32:14.230
principle. The caveat that it doesn't apply to

00:32:14.230 --> 00:32:17.390
barbarous or backward states of society. Oof,

00:32:17.450 --> 00:32:20.470
such an ugly phrase. So he just carved out an

00:32:20.470 --> 00:32:23.150
exception for entire civilizations he didn't

00:32:23.150 --> 00:32:25.400
think were ready for liberty. That's exactly

00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:28.359
what he did. He genuinely believed that representative

00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.859
government and individual liberty only work for

00:32:30.859 --> 00:32:33.680
people who were sufficiently improved or educated.

00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.380
For civilizations he viewed as stagnant or in

00:32:37.380 --> 00:32:39.880
their nonage, like India at the time, he argued

00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.720
that despotism is a legitimate mode of government

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.039
in dealing with barbarians. Provided the end

00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:47.079
is their improvement. That was the justification.

00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.519
It was a benevolent despotism. The idea was,

00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:54.170
we are ruling you for your own good. to modernize

00:32:54.170 --> 00:32:56.970
you, to educate you, and eventually you will

00:32:56.970 --> 00:32:59.210
be ready to rule yourselves. It's the classic

00:32:59.210 --> 00:33:03.170
paternalistic colonialist argument. And a massive

00:33:03.170 --> 00:33:05.630
blind spot in his philosophy, isn't it? It stands

00:33:05.630 --> 00:33:07.930
in total contradiction to his principles of individual

00:33:07.930 --> 00:33:11.170
sovereignty. It's a profound tension. He genuinely

00:33:11.170 --> 00:33:13.210
seemed to believe that British rule administered

00:33:13.210 --> 00:33:16.049
by enlightened men like himself was better for

00:33:16.049 --> 00:33:18.890
India's progress than the alternative. But it's

00:33:18.890 --> 00:33:21.329
impossible to square with the core ideas of On

00:33:21.329 --> 00:33:23.789
Liberty. It's just a reminder that even the most

00:33:23.789 --> 00:33:26.450
brilliant geniuses are products of their time,

00:33:26.529 --> 00:33:29.930
with massive cultural blind spots. But then,

00:33:29.950 --> 00:33:32.430
to complicate the picture even more, you look

00:33:32.430 --> 00:33:34.809
at his stance on the American Civil War. And

00:33:34.809 --> 00:33:36.329
he's absolutely on the right side of history

00:33:36.329 --> 00:33:38.900
there. Very much so. When the Civil War broke

00:33:38.900 --> 00:33:41.599
out, a lot of the British elite, the upper classes,

00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.119
were sympathetic to the South. They liked the

00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.759
aristocratic vibe of the plantation owners, and

00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.059
more importantly, they wanted the cheap cotton

00:33:49.059 --> 00:33:51.559
for their textile mills. They tried to frame

00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:53.960
the war as being about tariffs or states' rights.

00:33:54.339 --> 00:33:56.680
And Mill's old friend, the writer Thomas Carlyle,

00:33:56.700 --> 00:33:59.759
wrote that absolutely awful racist piece, The

00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.160
Negro Question, defending slavery. And Mill was

00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:07.119
furious. He wrote a scathing public rebuttal.

00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:09.519
He argued passionately and correctly that the

00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:11.920
war was explicitly and solely about slavery.

00:34:12.260 --> 00:34:14.420
He cut through all the obfuscation and said,

00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.219
this is a war to preserve and extend slavery,

00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:20.119
and we must support the North. He saw the Union

00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.360
victory as a necessary shock to the conscience

00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.820
of the world, something needed to finally wipe

00:34:24.820 --> 00:34:27.739
out the stain of slavery from the civilized world.

00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.840
Exactly. So you end up with this deeply complex

00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.989
figure. an anti -slavery imperialist, a feminist

00:34:34.989 --> 00:34:37.829
who believes in benevolent despotism. It's not

00:34:37.829 --> 00:34:40.809
simple. Humans rarely are. Indeed. Okay, let's

00:34:40.809 --> 00:34:43.250
move to part eight, the public life and the saint

00:34:43.250 --> 00:34:45.750
of rationalism. He eventually leaves the East

00:34:45.750 --> 00:34:48.250
India Company when the crown takes it over, and

00:34:48.250 --> 00:34:50.230
he becomes a member of parliament. And his campaign

00:34:50.230 --> 00:34:52.989
strategy was, well, it was bold. If by bold,

00:34:53.030 --> 00:34:55.289
you mean completely non -existent. It's an amazing

00:34:55.289 --> 00:34:57.469
story. He was asked to run for the seat of Westminster.

00:34:57.829 --> 00:35:01.000
He agreed. but only on his own very strict terms.

00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.159
He refused to campaign in the traditional sense.

00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:06.400
He refused to canvas for votes. He refused to

00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.500
spend a single penny of his own money on the

00:35:09.500 --> 00:35:12.320
election. He even refused to answer questions

00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.900
from voters about his religious beliefs, which

00:35:14.900 --> 00:35:16.739
were highly unorthodox. He basically just said,

00:35:16.820 --> 00:35:19.159
look, here are my books. I've written down everything

00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.920
I believe. Read them. If you agree with my ideas,

00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.309
vote for me. If you don't, then don't. And he

00:35:25.309 --> 00:35:28.250
won. It's wild. You could never do that today.

00:35:28.349 --> 00:35:30.769
Never. And once in parliament, he wasn't a quiet

00:35:30.769 --> 00:35:32.829
backbencher. He immediately started advocating

00:35:32.829 --> 00:35:34.969
for all the unpopular causes we've mentioned.

00:35:35.409 --> 00:35:38.130
Women's suffrage, stronger rights for labor unions,

00:35:38.369 --> 00:35:40.989
radical land reform for the Irish. He was a genuine

00:35:40.989 --> 00:35:43.690
radical. But there's one surprise in his political

00:35:43.690 --> 00:35:45.889
record, too, isn't there? His stance on capital

00:35:45.889 --> 00:35:48.619
punishment. Yes. The great liberal philosopher

00:35:48.619 --> 00:35:51.219
who wants to execute criminals, it seems very

00:35:51.219 --> 00:35:54.079
counterintuitive. It does. In 1868, there was

00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.079
a debate in Parliament about abolishing the death

00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.079
penalty. And Mills stood up and argued passionately

00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.239
for keeping it. So what on earth was his logic?

00:36:01.460 --> 00:36:04.880
In a word, humanitarianism. Wait, how is executing

00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.900
someone humanitarian? It was a utilitarian calculation.

00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:10.559
He argued that for the most aggravated cases

00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.139
of murder, a quick, painless death was actually

00:36:13.139 --> 00:36:15.039
more humane than the most likely alternative,

00:36:15.380 --> 00:36:18.639
which was locking a man in a cage for the rest

00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:21.059
of his natural life and forcing him to do hard

00:36:21.059 --> 00:36:24.400
labor. He called life imprisonment immuring him

00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.539
in a living tomb. So he thought the abolitionists,

00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:29.480
in their attempt to be merciful, were actually

00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.800
proposing a crueler punishment. Yes. He called

00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.619
the abolitionist sentiment an effeminacy in feeling.

00:36:35.739 --> 00:36:37.800
He thought the death penalty was actually less

00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.119
suffering in the aggregate and a better deterrent.

00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.159
It's a very cold, logical, utilitarian calculation,

00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:46.760
even if it feels very jarring to our modern liberal

00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.539
sensibilities. That is certainly a take. Wow.

00:36:49.780 --> 00:36:51.860
Okay. Before we wrap up his life, we have to

00:36:51.860 --> 00:36:53.719
mention his hobby. Because this guy wasn't just

00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:56.199
about books and laws and logic. He was an avid

00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.760
botanist. He absolutely loved plants. It was

00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.179
his lifelong passion and escape. He collected

00:37:01.179 --> 00:37:03.300
over a thousand unique specimens. You can actually

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see his collections in museums today. He saw

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the logic of botanical classification as a model

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for how to order legal and social systems. But

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it was also his escape. Right. His connection

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to the words were the inside of his brain. It

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was walking in nature, looking for flowers that

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connects all the way back to his recovery from

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that mental crisis. It was his way of touching

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the real beautiful world. And we have to tell

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the manuscript story, the famous burning manuscript.

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This is just a legendary, painful anecdote. It's

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one of the most horrifying stories in literary

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history. So his friend, Thomas Carlyle. had just

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finished writing the only draft of his massive,

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multi -volume history, The French Revolution.

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He gave the manuscript to Mill to read and offer

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comments. The only copy. No backing. The only

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copy. And Mill's maid, while cleaning, mistook

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the huge pile of papers for waste paper, and

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she used it to light the fire. Oh, my God. The

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entire book. Just... Gone. Burnt to ash. Years

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of work. Mill was absolutely mortified. He rushed

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over to Carlisle's house to tell him what had

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happened. He was in such a state of distress

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that Carlisle apparently ended up comforting

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him. Mill offered him money as compensation,

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didn't he? He offered 200 pounds, which was a

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huge sum of money back then. Carlisle, being

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a good friend, only accepted 100 pounds just

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to cover his living expenses while he rewrote

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it. And he did rewrite it. That's the amazing

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part. He did. He sat down and rewrote the entire

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thing from memory, though he always said the

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second version wasn't as spontaneous or as good

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as the first one that went up in smoke. We'll

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never know. What a nightmare. Okay, let's head

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to the outro. We have covered a life that is

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just breathtaking in its scope, from learning

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the Greek alphabet at age three to reshaping

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the debates in the British Parliament. It's a

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sweeping intellectual and personal journey. There

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is that famous quote that's often attributed

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to Mill. Bad men need nothing more to compass

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their ends than that good men should look on

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and do nothing. A classic quote. And for the

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record, he did say it in an inaugural address

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at the University of St. Andrews in 1867. The

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sentiment wasn't wholly unique to him, but it

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perfectly encapsulates his view on the importance

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of active citizenship. You can't just passively

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have liberty. You have to use it. You have to

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participate and speak up. And that's really the

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legacy, isn't it? Mill is this incredible bridge.

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He connects the 18th century enlightenment, the

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rigid, cold, almost mechanical logic of his father

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and Bentham with the modern world. He brings

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humanity into the equation. He brings in individual

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rights, emotion, the inner life. He takes their

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formula for happiness and says, wait, it's not

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just a math equation. It's about flourishing.

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It's about becoming the best version of yourself.

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He challenges us even today to do hard things,

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to tolerate the opinions we hate because they

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might teach us something, to define our happiness

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by quality, not just by quantity. And to constantly

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question whether the things we assume are natural,

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like gender roles or the inevitability of our

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economic systems, are actually just artificial

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constructs manufactured by our institutions.

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He was a skeptic, probably an agnostic, but he

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was chosen to be the godfather to the great 20th

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century philosopher Bertrand Russell. He was

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this contradictory, fascinating, deeply brilliant

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human being. And his central question, one that

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runs through all his work, remains as urgent

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as ever. Are we organizing our society to maximize

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human freedom and individual development? And

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if not, why not? What can we do to change it?

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That is thought we will leave you with. Go out

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and heal some happiness with the air you breathe

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and maybe tolerate a corn dealer or two. Thanks

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for listening to The Deep Dive.
