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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today we are,

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well, we are not just stepping out of the box.

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We are smashing the box, setting it on fire,

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and then probably peeing on the ashes to put

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it out. That's a pretty good summary, actually.

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We're talking about a man who looked at the entire

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elaborate structure of civilized society, money.

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Status, real estate, manners, even the clothes

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on our backs and just decided it was all a giant,

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ridiculous performance. A performance he wanted

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absolutely no part of. None. Zero. It's really

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the ultimate case study in what happens when

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you take a philosophical idea and you just you

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push it to its absolute logical and frankly,

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somewhat terrifying extreme. It is. Yeah. We

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usually think of philosophy as something. You

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know, soft. Something that happens in a quiet

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classroom with a chalkboard or in a library.

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Right, with the smell of old paper. Exactly.

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But for the subject of today's deep dive, philosophy

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was a full contact sport. It was played out in

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the dirt, in the street, with, you know, high

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stakes and absolutely zero safety net. That's

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it, exactly. And to get us into the right headspace,

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I want you to erase the image of a university

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professor from your mind. I want you to picture

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this instead. You are walking through the bustling

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marketplace, the Agora of ancient Athens. It's

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the center of the intellectual universe. The

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heart of everything. You have politicians debating,

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merchants selling olives. The Parthenon is gleaming

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up on the hill. And there, right in the middle

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of all the foot traffic, is this. massive ceramic

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jar lying on its side. And inside this jar lives

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an old man. And he's not just sitting there quietly,

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is he? No, not at all. In the winter, you might

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see him hugging frozen statues of the gods just

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to toughen himself up against the cold. Wow.

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In the summer, he's rolling around in scorching

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hot sand. He owns nothing. I mean, nothing but

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a dirty cloak, a wooden staff, and maybe a little

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leather pouch for food. And he has... barking

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at people. Literally barking. Literally barking

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like a dog. And yet, and this is the crucial

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part, this isn't just some random person suffering

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from a mental health crisis who's been abandoned

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by society. This is Diogenes of Sinope. The man

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himself. He's one of the founders of the school

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of cynicism. And despite living in the street,

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he went, you know, toe to toe with Plato. He

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insulted Alexander the Great to his face and

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lives to tell the tale. He really did. Diogenes

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is one of those figures where the legend is so

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loud, it almost drowns out the actual human being.

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When I first heard about him, the cartoon image

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in my head was just the guy in the barrel. That's

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the classic trope. But looking at the source

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material you brought today, we need to make a

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correction right out of the gate. Because it

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wasn't a barrel, was it? It definitely wasn't

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a barrel, no. That's a very common misconception

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that comes from much later Roman art in translations.

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Okay. We have to remember barrels. Those wooden

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casks held together with metal hoops that we

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associate with, you know, whiskey or wine aging,

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they didn't really exist in ancient Greece during

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this time. The technology just wasn't there yet.

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It wasn't. Source materials is very specific.

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He lived in a pithos. A pithos. Okay, let's unpack

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that. Because living in a jar sounds like something

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out of a nursery rhyme, not a serious housing

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strategy. What exactly is a pithos? So think

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of it as the industrial storage container of

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the ancient world. It's a massive ceramic vessel

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made of thick, heavy clay. That's not glass.

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Oh, God, no. Earthenware. They were used to store

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things in bulk, things like grain, olive oil,

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wine, and they were often as tall as a person.

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So when we say he lived in a jar, don't picture

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a cookie jar. Picture a human -sized hard clay

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tunnel lying on its side. That's a much better

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image. Which, I mean, practically speaking, sounds

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absolutely miserable. Oh, it would be awful.

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Utterly awful. Just think about the acoustics.

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Think about the temperature swings. Exactly.

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In the Athenian summer, that clay would bake

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like an oven. You'd be roasting. And in the winter,

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it would be like sleeping on an iceberg. It offers

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shelter from the wind maybe and the rain, but

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zero insulation. But that was the point. That's

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what we have to understand. His mission, if we

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want to call it a mission, wasn't just to be

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homeless because he was down on his luck. It

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was a calculated daily performance art piece.

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A philosophical statement. A huge one. He was

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challenging the very fabric of social norms.

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He wanted to prove that what we consider necessary

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for a happy life, a roof, a bed, privacy, all

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of it, is actually just baggage. And that is

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what we're going to explore today. How does a

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guy go from being the son of a wealthy banker,

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which, spoiler alert, he was, to a philosophical

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beggar shouting at the most powerful men in the

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world? It's quite a journey. We're going to look

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at his origin story, which involves a massive

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financial crime. We're going to look at his rivalry

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with Plato, his time as a slave. Yes, he was

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sold by pirates. That really happened. It's an

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incredible story. And his bizarre debt. But I

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want to start with that origin story. Because

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Diogenes didn't start out in the gutter. He was

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actually born into the 1%, wasn't he? He was,

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absolutely. Diogenes was born in Sinope, which

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is modern day seen up in Turkey. It's right there

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on the southern coast of the Black Sea. And Sinope

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wasn't some, you know, backwater village. Not

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at all. It was a thriving, wealthy Greek colony.

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A major trade hub. It was on the map. So there's

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a lot of money flowing through there. Tons of

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it. And Diogenes was right at the tap. His father,

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a man named Hysesias, was a trapezius. A trapezius.

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It sounds like a trapeze artist, but I'm guessing

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it's a little less acrobatic. Little less physical,

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but probably just as high stakes. It means he

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was a banker or a money changer. Ah. In a busy

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port city like Sinope, this was a crucial state

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-sanctioned role. You have traders coming in

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from all over the Mediterranean, all with different

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currencies. The trapezius is the guy authorized

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to exchange that foreign money for local coin.

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So his dad was essentially running the mint,

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or at least a major branch of it. Something like

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that, yes. This implies that Diogenes grew up

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with significant privilege. Right, so he's not

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scraping by. He's got everything he could want.

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Far from it. Yeah. The sources tell us he received

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a private education in things like literature,

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horsemanship, and athletics. These were the absolute

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luxuries of the rich. He was part of the establishment.

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So, I have to stop you there. He's a rich kid.

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He has the education, the money, the status.

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He's totally set up for a comfortable life running

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the family business. Why would a guy with a silver

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spoon in his mouth decide to burn it all down?

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I mean, that's the question, isn't it? Yeah.

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Usually rich kids might rebel a little, you know,

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grow their hair long, maybe join a band. But

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they don't usually end up living in industrial

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waste containers. It's the question that drives

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his whole life story. And the answer, or at least

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the beginning of the answer, starts with a scandal.

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A massive life -altering scandal. Okay. And it

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centers on the very thing his father managed.

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The money. Sometime around the mid -4th century

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B .C., Biogenes and his father, Hycesis, were

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accused of adulterating the currency. And adulterating

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the currency. That sounds like a very polite

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way of saying counterfeiting. It's in that ballpark,

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yeah. It's a bit more specific. It means debasing

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the coinage so... altering its metal content,

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maybe mixing in cheaper metals, or defacing the

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official stamp. So you're destroying public trust

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in the money supply? Exactly. It's a huge crime.

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Now, the historical record is a bit divided on

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exactly how it went down. Some sources say the

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father did it and Diogenes was just an accomplice.

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Some say Diogenes did it and fled. And what happened

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to the dad? Well, one version of the story says

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Hysesias died in prison while Diogenes managed

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to escape. The details are murky. This isn't

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just a rumor, right? Do we have any physical

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proof that this happened? We do. And this is

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what makes it so fascinating. Archaeology actually

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backs this up. Excavations have found coins from

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Sinope from that specific time period that were

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defaced, deliberately damaged with large chisel

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marks. Wow. So someone was systematically destroying

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the value of... the currency someone was yeah

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but here is where the story gets really really

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interesting to me okay there's this legend and

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with diogenes it's always hard to separate the

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man from the myth that he didn't do it out of

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greed he wasn't trying to get rich he claimed

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he was following orders orders from who His dad.

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From a god. Oh, come on. That's the famous Oracle

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legend. The story goes that Diogenes, maybe feeling

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unfulfilled or confused by his comfortable life

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in Sinope, went to the Oracle. This could have

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been a Delphi or Delos. Yeah. The sources differ.

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Right. And he asks the classic question that

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every young man asks in a Greek myth. What should

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I do to gain the greatest reputation? A very

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ambitious question. Very. And the Oracle, who

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is famously cryptic, high on volcanic vapors

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and shouting riddles, gave him an answer. And

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what did she say? She replied with a very specific

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phrase, adulterate the currency. And he just

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took that literally. He went home, grabbed a

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chisel and started hacking away at the coins

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in his dad's bank. According to one version of

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the legend, yes, he took it at face value. But

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this is where we have to look at the Greek language

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to understand the deeper philosophical meaning

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that he would later embrace. Okay. The phrase

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used is perikarotene to nomisma. Perikarotene

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to nomisma. Let's break that down. So nomisma

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means currency or coin. That's the straightforward

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part. But it shares the exact same root as the

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word nomos. And nomos is what? Law. Custom? Law,

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custom, convention, the rules of society, all

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of that stuff. Oh, I see where this is going.

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It's a pun. It's a brilliant, world -changing

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pun. The Oracle wasn't telling him to commit

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financial fraud. She was giving him a philosophical

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mission. Debase the customs. Revalue the values.

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She was telling him to take the things society

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values, reputation, wealth, etiquette, all the

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rules of polite society, and prove that they

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are fake. That they have no inherent worth. Exactly.

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He later claimed that he had misunderstood the

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oracle at first. He wasn't supposed to attack

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the metal coins. He was supposed to attack the

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currency of human behavior and social norms.

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That is such a powerful metaphor. The idea that

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our social rules are just a currency we've all

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agreed to pretend has value. Like wearing a tie

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to work or saying bless you when someone sneezes

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or shaking hands. It's all just fiat currency.

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And Diogenes' life's work became exposing that

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inflation. showing everyone that the emperor

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has no clothes. But before he could become that

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philosopher, he had to face the consequences

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of the literal crime. Right, because the people

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of Sinope weren't interested in his philosophical

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interpretation. They just saw a guy wrecking

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their money. And the consequences were severe.

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Catastrophic, really. He was exiled. He lost

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his citizenship. We have to stop and really think

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about what that meant in ancient Greece. It wasn't

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just like moving to a new town and getting a

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new apartment. No. Oh, no. In the ancient world,

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Your identity was 100 % tied to your city -state,

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your polis. You weren't just Diogenes. You were

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Diogenes of Sinope. To be in exile was to be

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a non -person. A ghost. Yeah. You had no legal

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protections. You couldn't own property. Crucially,

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you couldn't be buried with your ancestors, which

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was a huge spiritual crisis for a Greek. It was

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often considered a fate worse than death. People

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would commit suicide rather than face exile.

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They would. But this is where we see the first

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real spark of the Diogenes we come to know. He

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didn't crumble. He didn't fall into despair.

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No. Instead of being crushed by this, he completely

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flipped the script. There's a famous exchange

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where someone was mocking him later in life,

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saying, the people of Snope have condemned you

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to banishment. And what did he say? Diogenes

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just shot back, and I have condemned them to

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stay in Snoping. That's a brilliant comeback.

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You're not firing me. I'm firing you. It's pure

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confidence. He claims the exile liberated him.

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The historian Plutarch notes that the hardships

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of exile are what actually forged him into a

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philosopher. He realized that if you have nothing

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to lose, you are truly free. If the worst thing

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society can do is kick you out and you decide

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you don't care, you become untouchable. Their

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power over you is gone. So he leaves Sinope,

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presumably in disgrace. And he heads for the

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intellectual center of the world, Athens. And

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he's not alone, right? At least not at first.

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Well, there is a report that he had a slave with

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him named Mains. This is another really interesting

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pivot point. Yeah, you'd think a man about to

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preach a philosophy of radical poverty wouldn't

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have a slave. Well, remember, he came from wealth.

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She likely brought Mains with him from Sindope.

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But shortly after they arrived in Athens, Mains

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ran away. And most slave owners at that time

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would have been furious. They would have sent

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a search party, put up notices. That's lost property.

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That's money walking out the door. Diogenes'

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reaction was the complete opposite. He just laughed.

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He laughed. He laughed. And he famously said,

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if manes can live without Diogenes, why not Diogenes

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without manes? Wait, I want to pause on that.

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That is such a radical thought for 400 BC. He's

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basically saying the master needs the slave more

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than the slave needs the master. It is fundamental

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to his entire philosophy. He realized that by

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relying on a slave, the master is actually the

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one who is enslaved. You're enslaved to your

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own helplessness. If you need someone else to

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cook for you, dress you, fetch your water, you

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aren't the master. You're a dependent. You're

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weak. The slave who can survive on their own

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is actually more free than you are. So Maines

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runs off. And sadly, one source says he was eventually

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eaten by wolves, which is a tragic end. But Diogenes

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is now alone in Athens. He's poor. He's an outcast.

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And he starts looking for a teacher. Right. And

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he sets his sights on a man named Antisthenes.

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And who was Antisthenes? Antisthenes was a heavy

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hitter in the intellectual scene. He was a former

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student of Socrates himself. He was already preaching

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a kind of proto -cynicism, living simply valuing

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virtue over wealth. So he was the logical choice.

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He was. But Antisthenes wasn't exactly looking

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for new students, and certainly not a scruffy

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criminal exile like Diogenes. I read that Antisthenes

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actually tried to beat him away with a stick.

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He did. The story goes he was very reluctant.

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He found Diogenes annoying and physically threatened

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him with his staff. But Diogenes just lowered

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his head and said, Strike, for you will find

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no wood hard enough to keep me away from you

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so long as I think you have something to say.

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That is incredible persistence. It's also a little

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bit scary. It is. It shows that Diogenes was

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hungry for truth in a way that just completely

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disregarded his own physical safety. And it worked,

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by the way. Antisthenes eventually gave in and

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accepted him. And Diogenes really took Antisthenes'

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teachings and just turbocharged them. He did.

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Antisthenes taught that virtue is the only good,

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that social status is meaningless. Diogenes took

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that theory and turned it into a full -time,

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24 -7 lifestyle. And this brings us to the comparisons

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with Socrates. You know, Socrates was the gadfly

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of Athens, stinging the horse of the state to

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keep it awake. He was annoying, sure, but he

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was sort of polite about it. He used questions.

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But Plato, who was Diogenes' contemporary and

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chief philosophical rival, had a different description

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for Diogenes. Yes. Plato called him Socrates

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gone mad. Socrates gone mad. That is such a perfect

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backhanded compliment. It's like saying you're

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a genius, but you're also a complete lunatic.

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It's incredibly accurate. Socrates questioned

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people politely in the Agora, used logic, irony,

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the Socratic method. Diogenes used shock tactics.

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He didn't ask questions. He made statements,

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often by, you know, throwing things. Or by barking.

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He called himself a dog. In fact, that's where

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the word cynic comes from. The Greek word kynikos

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means dog -like. I want to dig into that dog

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label in just a minute, but we absolutely have

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to talk about the beef with Plato. Because the

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stories of them trolling each other are legendary.

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They are. And there's one incident that I think

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is the funniest thing in the entire history of

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philosophy. The featherless biped incident. This

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is a classic. And to understand it, you have

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to picture the scene. Plato is running his academy.

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Right. Very prestigious, very serious place.

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Very serious. You've got wealthy students, geometric

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diagrams drawn in the sand, very highbrow, abstract

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discussions. And Plato, in one of his lectures,

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was trying to come up with a definitive scientific

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definition for human being. A simple definition

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for what makes us, us. Right. And after a lot

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of deliberation, he and his students settled

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on a definition. Man is a featherless biped.

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Okay. I mean, it makes sense technically. Humans

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walk on two legs, and unlike birds, we don't

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have feathers. It's logical. A bit dry, maybe,

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but it works on paper. It works on paper. Well,

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Diogenes heard about this new official definition.

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And he didn't write a paper refuting it. No.

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He didn't ask for a formal debate. What did he

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do? He found a rooster, a live chicken, and he

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plucked every single feather off its body. Oh,

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that's... That is graphic, that poor chicken.

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Then he marched into Plato's lecture hall with

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his poor, naked, shivering bird under his arm,

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threw it onto the floor in front of everyone

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and shouted, Behold, I've brought you a man!

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Or, here is Plato's man. Oh my god. Imagine this

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scene. You're in a serious philosophical lecture

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contemplating the nature of the soul and this

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crazy homeless guy runs in and throws a naked

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chicken at the podium. It completely dismantled

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Plato's abstract theory. with a brutal, physical,

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and hilarious reality. It humiliated Plato in

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front of his own students. So what did Plato

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do? He was forced to update his definition. He

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had to add, with broad, flat nails, to distinguish

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a human from a plucked chicken. With broad, flat

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nails. It just makes the whole thing even more

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ridiculous. But Diogenes' point wasn't really

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about the chicken, was it? It was about the futility

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of these abstract definitions. Right. He was

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a pragmatist. The ultimate pragmatist. Plato

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deals in the abstract, the ideal forms, the ideal

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chair, the ideal man. Diogenes deals in the messy

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physical reality right in front of him. There's

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another story where a philosopher was trying

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to argue that motion isn't real. Zeno's paradoxes,

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that kind of thing. Exactly. And Diogenes didn't

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debate him with logic. He just stood up and walked

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away. His actions were his arguments. He hated

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pretension. He hated over -intellectualizing

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things that should be simple. Absolutely. So

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let's get back to the dog thing. He embraced

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the title of cynic or kynikos. Why a dog? Most

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people, especially back then, would consider

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being called a dog a pretty terrible insult.

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But Diogenes reclaimed it. He turned it into

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a badge of honor. When someone asked him why

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he was called a dog, he gave a very simple, practical

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breakdown of his behavior. What did he say? He

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said, Simple as that. Reward the good, harass

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the cheap, and attack the bad. It's a pretty

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clear moral code. It is. But there's a deeper

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symbolism there, too. Think about how a dog lives.

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A dog lives entirely in the present moment. True.

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They eat when they're hungry, they sleep when

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they're tired, and they... Well, they do their

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business wherever they happen to be. They have

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no shame. They have no social anxiety. They're

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not worried about whether they're wearing the

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right toga or if their 401k is performing well.

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Exactly. Diogenes saw that as the ideal natural

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state, free from all the artificial worries that

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plague humanity. And this leads directly to his

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extreme asceticism. We mentioned the jar, but

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there's the story of the cup. This one really

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stuck with me because it shows just how high

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his standards for minimalism were. It wasn't

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enough to be poor. He had to be efficient. It

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really does show his commitment. So at this point

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in his life, he possessed almost nothing. A cloak

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to wear and sleep in, a staff for walking and

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self -defense, and a single wooden cup for drinking

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water. Which is already pretty minimal. Very.

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But one day, he's walking through the city and

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he saw a young boy at a public fountain. The

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boy didn't have a cup. He just cupped his hands

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together to drink the water. And most of us would

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think, oh, that poor kid, he can't even afford

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a cup. Diogenes had the opposite reaction. He

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thought, I am a fool. He realized this child

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had outsmarted him in simplicity. So what did

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he do? He immediately threw his own wooden cup

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away, saying something like, a child has beat

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me in plainness of living. He realized nature

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had already given him a perfectly good cup, his

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hands. Why was he carrying around this extra

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piece of wood? It was just... Baggage. He threw

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away his only dining utensil because he had hands.

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That is hardcore. It's like a modern minimalist

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throwing away their bed because the floor exists.

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He did the same thing with a bowl. He saw another

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boy who was eating lentils out of a hollowed

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out piece of stale bread. An edible bowl. Right.

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And Diogenes realized his own bowl was unnecessary

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and he smashed it. There's also the story about

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the mouse, which seems to be a real turning point

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for him. Yes. This is often cited as a moment

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of epiphany. He was observing a mouse running

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around in the pantry, in the street, wherever.

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He noticed the mouse wasn't looking for a soft

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bed. It wasn't afraid of the dark. It didn't

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crave luxury foods. It just adapted. It adapted

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to whatever the environment offered. And Diogenes

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took that as a profound lesson. If a mouse can

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be perfectly happy with a few crumbs in a dark

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corner, why is a human so incredibly demanding?

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It's interesting because the expert analysis

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here, your analysis in the notes, distinguishes

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between actual poverty and the feeling of poverty.

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Can you explain that? Because to me, sleeping

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in a jar sounds a lot like actual poverty. It

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is, of course. But this is a crucial distinction

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in cynic and later stoic philosophy. Actual poverty

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is just a lack of money or resources. It's an

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external condition. Okay. But the feeling of

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poverty, that gnawing dissatisfaction, the anxiety

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of not enough. That comes from wanting things

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you don't have. So a billionaire who is obsessed

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with becoming a trillionaire could feel poorer

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than a monk. Diogenes would say he is poorer.

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He believed that a wealthy tyrant who is constantly

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afraid of losing his power or who always wants

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more land, more gold, more glory, is actually

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the poorest man in the world. Because the tyrant

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is needy. Exactly. The tyrant needs armies. Walls,

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tasters for his food, constant flattery. He is

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a slave to his desires and his fears. Diogenes,

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on the other hand, needs nothing. Maybe little

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water from the fountain, maybe a crust of bread

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somebody gives him. The man who needs nothing

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is the equal of the gods. That's the core idea.

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That brings us to the behavior that got him in

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the most trouble. The shamelessness. And when

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we say shameless, we mean he did everything in

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public. He did everything in public. We're talking

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about eating, which in ancient Athens was actually

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considered rude to do in the marketplace, right?

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It was seen as low class. It was, yes. Like eating

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on a crowded subway today, but with more social

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stigma. Yeah. But he went much, much further

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than that. He slept there, obviously, and he

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performed other bodily functions. We're talking

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about urinating and self -pleasure. He would

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urinate on people who insulted him. Yeah. And

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he would masturbate in the marketplace in full

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view of everyone. Okay, I have to play the skeptic

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here. Why? Was he just trying to be gross? Was

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he just an exhibitionist? Because that sounds

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less like philosophy and more like, you know,

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a public indecency charge. It wasn't just to

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be gross, though I'm absolutely sure he enjoyed

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the shock value. Oh, I bet he did. It was a philosophical

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argument made through action. Diogenes argued

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that if an act is natural, it shouldn't be shameful

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to do it in public. We don't hide in a private

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room when we eat an apple. Hunger is natural.

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Right. Sexual desire is also natural. So why

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do we hide one act in shame and not the other?

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He was challenging the completely artificial

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line that society draws between public and private.

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He had a pretty funny quote about it, didn't

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he? He did. After being chastised for it by some

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horrified pedestrians, he apparently rubbed his

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stomach and said, God, that's so blunt and so

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brilliant. To him, sexual release was just another

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physical itch, like a mosquito bite or a hunger

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pang. If you could satisfy hunger by rubbing

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your stomach, of course you would. He saw no

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moral difference. He refused to assign any magic

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or taboo to biology. There's the spitting incident.

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This one makes me cringe just reading about it,

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but it's so effective. This is peak Diogenes.

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He was invited into a wealthy man's house. This

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man was very proud of his home. And the house

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was immaculate expensive rugs, beautiful art,

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polished marble everywhere. So the man is showing

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off. Absolutely. And the host, maybe trying to

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be a bit condescending, says to Diogenes, be

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careful not to spit anywhere. The house is very

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clean. Which on the surface is a reasonable request.

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A very reasonable request. But to Diogenes, it

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was a challenge, a display of vanity. So he takes

00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.099
a moment, clears his throat, and spits right

00:24:45.099 --> 00:24:48.029
in the host's face. Oh, my God. That is assault.

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It is. And when the host starts shouting at him,

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Diogenes calmly replied that with everything

00:24:53.230 --> 00:24:55.109
else in the house being so perfect and clean

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and expensive, his face was the only dirty or

00:24:57.829 --> 00:25:00.269
worthless place he could find to spit. That is

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certainly one way to make a point about vanity.

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But it makes you wonder, was he a sociopath?

00:25:05.950 --> 00:25:08.589
Or just so committed to the bit that he didn't

00:25:08.589 --> 00:25:10.910
care about other people's feelings? I think he

00:25:10.910 --> 00:25:14.880
viewed politeness and feelings as... part of

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the currency that he was trying to deface he

00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:20.640
felt that by prioritizing the cleanliness of

00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:23.700
objects over the i don't know the dignity of

00:25:23.700 --> 00:25:26.119
reality the rift man had his values completely

00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:28.779
backward he wanted to shock the man out of his

00:25:28.779 --> 00:25:30.920
vanity he was a slap in the face literal and

00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.240
metaphorical yes let's talk about the lantern

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this is probably the second most famous image

00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:37.140
of him right after the jar He wanders around

00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:39.640
Athens in broad daylight holding a lit lamp.

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Yes, in the middle of a sunny afternoon, holding

00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.960
a burning lamp up to people's faces in the crowded

00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.779
marketplace. And when people would ask him, Diogenes,

00:25:46.779 --> 00:25:49.000
what are you doing? He'd say, I am looking for

00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.740
a man. And usually people translate that as,

00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:53.720
I'm looking for an honest man. That's the version

00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.039
I always hear. That's a later, softer translation

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that kind of misses the bite. The original Greek

00:25:58.779 --> 00:26:01.079
suggests he said he was just looking for a human,

00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:05.509
an anthropos, a man. Or more specifically, a

00:26:05.509 --> 00:26:08.910
wise man, a sophos. So the implication was even

00:26:08.910 --> 00:26:10.910
more insulting than just looking for an honest

00:26:10.910 --> 00:26:13.349
guy. Much more. He was saying the people around

00:26:13.349 --> 00:26:16.390
him, all of them. Weren't even real humans. Exactly.

00:26:16.450 --> 00:26:18.190
He was implying that all the people crowding

00:26:18.190 --> 00:26:20.809
the marketplace, buying, selling, gossiping,

00:26:20.809 --> 00:26:23.250
politicking, they weren't real humans. They were

00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:26.230
just sheep following customs. They were sleepwalking

00:26:26.230 --> 00:26:28.769
through life, driven by appetites and conventions.

00:26:29.269 --> 00:26:31.910
He couldn't find a single person who was living

00:26:31.910 --> 00:26:35.109
as a true, rational, self -aware human being.

00:26:35.230 --> 00:26:37.509
He was saying, I see a lot of bodies. I see a

00:26:37.509 --> 00:26:40.059
lot of togas, but I don't see any people. That's

00:26:40.059 --> 00:26:42.599
the perfect way to put it. This leads us to his

00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:45.240
view on where he fit in. Because if he didn't

00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.200
respect the men of Athens, he certainly didn't

00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:49.640
respect the state of Athens. He has this famous

00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:51.500
line when he's asked where he was from. Right.

00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:53.460
Someone asked him, what is your country? And

00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:56.900
he replied, I'm a cosmopolities. A cosmopolitan.

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It's the first recorded use of that word. He

00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:01.940
likely invented it. He did. But we have to be

00:27:01.940 --> 00:27:03.900
really careful not to project our modern meaning

00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:07.099
onto it. Right. Today, a cosmopolitan is someone

00:27:07.099 --> 00:27:10.240
who, you know, drinks fancy cocktails, travels

00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:13.619
to Paris and Tokyo, reads The New Yorker. Or,

00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:15.940
in a more political sense, someone who believes

00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:18.839
in a global community, like the UN Universal

00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.220
Brotherhood. We are the world, that sort of thing.

00:27:21.500 --> 00:27:24.039
Diogenes didn't necessarily mean we are all brothers

00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:27.829
in that kind of kumbaya sense. We have to remember

00:27:27.829 --> 00:27:31.910
the context. In 400 BC, the city of the polis

00:27:31.910 --> 00:27:35.150
was everything. It was your religion, your military,

00:27:35.410 --> 00:27:38.210
your family, your safety net. To say, I am not

00:27:38.210 --> 00:27:41.130
an Athenian, was practically treasonous. It was

00:27:41.130 --> 00:27:43.170
like saying, I don't have a country. He was saying

00:27:43.170 --> 00:27:45.029
more than that. He meant that the city -state

00:27:45.029 --> 00:27:47.769
itself is a fake construct, an artificial label.

00:27:48.029 --> 00:27:51.150
Being Athenian or Corinthian or Spartan is meaningless.

00:27:51.329 --> 00:27:54.150
He belongs to the cosmos, the universe. He lives

00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:56.250
by the laws of nature, not the arbitrary laws

00:27:56.250 --> 00:27:58.250
of some city council. So it was a total rejection

00:27:58.250 --> 00:28:00.670
of politics. A total rejection of the state.

00:28:01.170 --> 00:28:04.869
He viewed social norms, or nomos, as being in

00:28:04.869 --> 00:28:08.599
direct opposition to nature. And we know he wrote

00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.220
a book about this called The Republic or Politia.

00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.279
Which is lost now, sadly. It's lost, but we have

00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:16.759
reports from other writers about what was in

00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:20.240
it. Yeah. And it was incredibly radical. How

00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.460
radical? I mean, Plato also wrote a republic

00:28:22.460 --> 00:28:24.259
and that was pretty strict with the philosopher

00:28:24.259 --> 00:28:26.980
kings and all that. Diogenes' republic was the

00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:29.980
anti -Plato. According to the sources, it was

00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:32.400
a utopian vision of a world with no government.

00:28:33.209 --> 00:28:35.329
He advocated for the end of the nuclear family,

00:28:35.450 --> 00:28:37.990
a community of wives and children. He argued

00:28:37.990 --> 00:28:39.890
that money should be abolished. Okay, that's

00:28:39.890 --> 00:28:41.630
pretty far out there. But then he went into the

00:28:41.630 --> 00:28:44.029
really dark stuff. He reportedly argued that

00:28:44.029 --> 00:28:46.269
things like cannibalism and even incest weren't

00:28:46.269 --> 00:28:49.170
evil in a natural sense. Whoa, wait, cannibalism?

00:28:49.329 --> 00:28:52.029
His logic, and it's a cold, hard, and disturbing

00:28:52.029 --> 00:28:54.910
logic, was that in nature, animals eat other

00:28:54.910 --> 00:28:57.670
animals. Matter is just matter. If you strip

00:28:57.670 --> 00:29:00.009
away the custom... the nomos, that says eating

00:29:00.009 --> 00:29:02.390
people is wrong. Nature itself doesn't have a

00:29:02.390 --> 00:29:04.349
specific rule against it. That is shocking even

00:29:04.349 --> 00:29:06.849
today. I mean, that's beyond the pale. It was

00:29:06.849 --> 00:29:09.750
meant to be shocking. He was pushing the logic

00:29:09.750 --> 00:29:12.849
of nature over custom to its absolute breaking

00:29:12.849 --> 00:29:15.289
point. He was forcing people to admit that much

00:29:15.289 --> 00:29:17.809
of their morality was just habit, not a law of

00:29:17.809 --> 00:29:19.910
physics. If you peel the onion of custom all

00:29:19.910 --> 00:29:22.410
the way down, you end up in some very dark, uncomfortable

00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:26.390
places. Wow. Okay, so Diogenes is living this

00:29:26.390 --> 00:29:29.569
wild, provocative life in Athens, but then his

00:29:29.569 --> 00:29:32.150
story takes a dramatic, almost cinematic turn.

00:29:32.289 --> 00:29:35.190
He leaves Athens, but not by choice. He gets

00:29:35.190 --> 00:29:37.569
captured. This is like an action movie subplot

00:29:37.569 --> 00:29:40.269
just dropped into a philosophy lecture. Diogenes

00:29:40.269 --> 00:29:42.789
was traveling to the island of Aegina by ship.

00:29:43.099 --> 00:29:45.019
And travel in the ancient world was dangerous.

00:29:45.339 --> 00:29:48.500
Very. The agency was swarming with pirates. And

00:29:48.500 --> 00:29:50.299
these weren't, you know, Jack Sparrow type pirates

00:29:50.299 --> 00:29:52.220
with parrots. These were slavers. Brutal stuff.

00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.700
Absolutely. His ship was attacked and overrun.

00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.420
Diogenes was captured, put in chains, and taken

00:29:57.420 --> 00:29:59.940
to Crete to be sold in a slave market. The irony

00:29:59.940 --> 00:30:02.559
is suffocating. The man who mocked slavery, the

00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.559
man who said, I am the only free man, is now

00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.160
literally standing on an auction block. But listen

00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.220
to how he handles it. Most people would be weeping.

00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:15.180
begging for mercy, trying to look useful. The

00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:17.720
auctioneer asks him the standard question. What

00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.019
are you skilled at? What can you do? Expecting

00:30:20.019 --> 00:30:22.519
him to say farming or cooking or accounting.

00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.000
And Diogenes, in chains, looks the auctioneer

00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.559
right in the eye and replies, I know how to govern

00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:31.859
men. He says his skill is being a boss while

00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:34.680
he's for sale. Yes. And then he points into the

00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.319
crowd. He sees a wealthy, well -dressed Corinthian

00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.500
man named Xaniades. And he shouts to the auctioneer,

00:30:40.539 --> 00:30:43.279
Summon to that man. He needs a master. That is

00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:45.660
the ultimate sales pitch. Buy me because you

00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:47.619
are incompetent and need someone to run your

00:30:47.619 --> 00:30:50.920
life. It's insane. And it worked. Xaniades was

00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.599
so intrigued, so blown away by the sheer audacity

00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:55.839
of this dirty old man, that he actually bought

00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:58.160
him. You have to admire Xaniades, too. He saw

00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.180
something there. He did. He took him back to

00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:02.500
Corinth. And instead of treating him like a field

00:31:02.500 --> 00:31:05.440
hand or a servant, he put Diogenes in charge

00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:07.859
of his entire household and, most importantly,

00:31:08.019 --> 00:31:10.119
his children. So the homeless philosopher becomes

00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:13.900
a live -in private tutor. Yes. And by all accounts,

00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.480
he was an excellent teacher. But he taught them

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.720
the Cynic way. He taught Cynides' sons how to

00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.259
ride horses, to shoot arrows, and to memorize

00:31:22.259 --> 00:31:25.599
long passages of poetry. But he also made them

00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.220
walk barefoot. He made them wear a single simple

00:31:28.220 --> 00:31:31.390
cloak. He made them drink only water and cut

00:31:31.390 --> 00:31:34.029
their own hair short. He turned these rich Corinthian

00:31:34.029 --> 00:31:37.029
kids into little philosophical monks. He did.

00:31:37.589 --> 00:31:40.410
And Xenides apparently loved it. He told people

00:31:40.410 --> 00:31:42.490
that having Diogenes in the house was like having

00:31:42.490 --> 00:31:46.450
a good spirit, a deity, living with them. Diogenes

00:31:46.450 --> 00:31:48.609
managed the household finances and affairs perfectly.

00:31:49.099 --> 00:31:51.640
Which just goes to show Diogenes wasn't incompetent

00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:53.859
or lazy. He was perfectly capable of running

00:31:53.859 --> 00:31:56.200
a complex estate. He just usually chose not to.

00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.440
Exactly. He refused to be freed too, right? He

00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:00.680
did. When some of his old friends from Athens

00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:02.660
found him and offered to buy his freedom from

00:32:02.660 --> 00:32:08.420
Xenides, he called them foolish. He said, So

00:32:08.420 --> 00:32:13.900
he saw himself as the lion of the house. He viewed

00:32:13.900 --> 00:32:16.900
his position as the true master of the house,

00:32:17.059 --> 00:32:20.140
regardless of his legal status. He was the one

00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:23.079
with the wisdom and virtue. Zinniades was just

00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.480
the guy with the wallet. This brings us to Corinth,

00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.500
where Diogenes is living later in his life. And

00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:30.779
this is the setting for the most famous, most

00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:34.160
iconic anecdote in his entire biography, the

00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.160
meeting with the most powerful man on earth at

00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:40.160
the time, Alexander the Great. This is the heavyweight

00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.720
championship of the ancient world. It's the collision

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.039
of two completely opposite worlds. You have to

00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.660
visualize it. It's around 336 BC. Alexander has

00:32:48.660 --> 00:32:51.440
just pacified Greece. He is young, maybe 20 years

00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.099
old. He's on top of the world. He's handsome,

00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:55.900
probably wearing golden armor, surrounded by

00:32:55.900 --> 00:32:59.220
bodyguards and fawning sycophants. He is effectively

00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:01.420
the king of the world. And everyone wants a piece

00:33:01.420 --> 00:33:03.599
of him. All the other philosophers, the politicians,

00:33:03.940 --> 00:33:06.160
the generals, they're all flocking to Corinth

00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.039
to congratulate him and get on his good side.

00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:11.000
Everyone except Diogenes. He doesn't go to the

00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:13.519
court. He stays in the cranium, which was a cypress

00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.480
grove outside the city. He's just lying in the

00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.589
sun, maybe scratching himself. He couldn't care

00:33:17.589 --> 00:33:20.009
less that the king is in town. So Alexander,

00:33:20.470 --> 00:33:23.250
being curious and having heard the wild stories

00:33:23.250 --> 00:33:25.990
about this philosopher, goes to find him. The

00:33:25.990 --> 00:33:28.329
king goes to the beggar. Imagine the tension.

00:33:28.609 --> 00:33:31.650
The entire royal entourage walks up to this old

00:33:31.650 --> 00:33:34.809
man and rags. The shadow of the king falls over

00:33:34.809 --> 00:33:37.809
Biogenes. Alexander stands over him and, you

00:33:37.809 --> 00:33:40.190
know, trying to be magnanimous, he makes an offer.

00:33:40.250 --> 00:33:42.210
He asks, is there anything you want? Ask me for

00:33:42.210 --> 00:33:45.519
anything. Anything at all. think about what that

00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.480
offer means he could have asked for a palace

00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:49.880
he could have asked for a citizenship back he

00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:51.460
could have asked for a mountain of gold he could

00:33:51.460 --> 00:33:54.079
have asked for his enemies to be executed anything

00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.500
and diogenes doesn't even sit up he doesn't stand

00:33:57.500 --> 00:33:59.759
he just squints up at the most powerful man in

00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.420
the world and waves his hand dismissively and

00:34:02.420 --> 00:34:05.349
he says yes Stand a little out of my sun. Stand

00:34:05.349 --> 00:34:07.430
a little out of my sun. That is the ultimate

00:34:07.430 --> 00:34:10.369
power move. It is absolutely devastating. In

00:34:10.369 --> 00:34:12.530
one sentence, he reduced Alexander the Great

00:34:12.530 --> 00:34:14.690
to nothing more than an opaque object blocking

00:34:14.690 --> 00:34:17.349
the light. He showed that Alexander, with all

00:34:17.349 --> 00:34:19.409
his armies and all his wealth, couldn't give

00:34:19.409 --> 00:34:22.769
Diogenes anything of value. The only thing Diogenes

00:34:22.769 --> 00:34:25.079
wanted at that moment was sunlight. which is

00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.360
free and natural, and Alexander was ruining it.

00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:29.559
Alexander's soldiers must have lost their minds.

00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:31.400
They probably wanted to cut him down right there

00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:33.360
for the disrespect. Oh, yeah, they started laughing

00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.320
and mocking the old man. Look at this fool disrespecting

00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:41.739
the king. But Alexander, he was smart. He silenced

00:34:41.739 --> 00:34:44.699
them. He understood what had just happened. As

00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:47.420
they were walking away, he reportedly said to

00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:50.400
his men, but truly, if I were not Alexander,

00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:53.800
I would be Diogenes. That is a profound admission.

00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:56.139
It gives me chills every time I hear it. What

00:34:56.139 --> 00:34:58.659
did he mean by that? It suggests that Alexander

00:34:58.659 --> 00:35:01.579
recognized there are really only two ways to

00:35:01.579 --> 00:35:04.480
be truly free and powerful in this world. One

00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.320
is to conquer the entire world so that no one

00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.739
can command you. That's Alexander's way. And

00:35:09.739 --> 00:35:12.079
the other? The other is to want nothing from

00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.820
the world so that no one can command you. That's

00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:16.980
Diogenes' way. They were two sides of the same

00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:20.079
coin of autarky total self -sufficiency. Alexander

00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.190
was a slave to his ambition. Diogenes was free

00:35:23.190 --> 00:35:25.929
because he had none. Wow. The conqueror of the

00:35:25.929 --> 00:35:28.110
world was actually jealous of the beggar. In

00:35:28.110 --> 00:35:32.650
a way, yes. He respected that freedom. So Diogenes

00:35:32.650 --> 00:35:34.409
eventually reaches the end of his life in Corinth.

00:35:34.690 --> 00:35:37.630
And true to form, his death is surrounded by

00:35:37.630 --> 00:35:40.710
a cloud of bizarre stories and legends. When

00:35:40.710 --> 00:35:43.429
did he die? Scholars think it was around 323

00:35:43.429 --> 00:35:46.429
or 324 BC. He would have been quite old, maybe

00:35:46.429 --> 00:35:48.739
around 90. And the legend, of course, says he

00:35:48.739 --> 00:35:51.039
died on the exact same day as Alexander the Great,

00:35:51.139 --> 00:35:53.619
who died in Babylon. That is almost certainly

00:35:53.619 --> 00:35:56.539
a myth, a poetic touch made up later to link

00:35:56.539 --> 00:35:59.099
them together forever. But it does signify the

00:35:59.099 --> 00:36:01.780
end of an era. The theories on how he died are

00:36:01.780 --> 00:36:05.179
just wild. They're all over the place. One popular

00:36:05.179 --> 00:36:08.659
theory is that he ate a raw octopus. Why on earth

00:36:08.659 --> 00:36:11.400
would he eat a raw octopus? To prove that cooking

00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.039
was an unnecessary and artificial custom, he

00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.199
wanted to eat like an animal. But the octopus

00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.929
was raw. and either choked on it or died of severe

00:36:18.929 --> 00:36:21.670
food poisoning or cholera. Death by raw octopus,

00:36:21.969 --> 00:36:24.889
that's very on -brand for him. It is. Another

00:36:24.889 --> 00:36:26.690
theory says he was trying to feed an octopus

00:36:26.690 --> 00:36:29.469
to some dogs, got bitten by one of the dogs in

00:36:29.469 --> 00:36:32.050
the scuffle, and the wound got infected, and

00:36:32.050 --> 00:36:34.030
he died of gangrene. But there's a weirder one,

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the suicide theory. Yes, the theory that he voluntarily

00:36:37.789 --> 00:36:40.809
held his breath until he died. Is that even medically

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possible? I feel like if you hold your breath,

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you just pass out. and then your body just starts

00:36:45.349 --> 00:36:48.289
breathing again? You are 100 % correct. Your

00:36:48.289 --> 00:36:50.690
autonomic nervous system forces you to breathe.

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You cannot kill yourself simply by holding your

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breath. So it's a myth? It's a myth, but as a

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philosophical legend, it fits perfectly. It implies

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he had such total superhuman control over his

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body and its desires that he could simply choose

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to leave life when he was done with it, like

00:37:08.050 --> 00:37:10.059
turning off a light switch. And then there's

00:37:10.059 --> 00:37:12.519
the most likely and most boring cause of death.

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Old age. He was 90 years old, living outside,

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sleeping in the dirt. It was probably just time.

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But the show wasn't over. He had instructions

00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.599
for his burial. Or rather, his non -burial. He

00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.280
told his friends to just throw his body over

00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:27.980
the city walls for the wild beasts to eat. Just

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garbage disposal. Recycle me back into nature.

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Yes. And his friends were horrified. They asked

00:37:33.860 --> 00:37:36.380
him, you don't mind being eaten by birds and

00:37:36.380 --> 00:37:39.869
wolves? And Diogenes, even on his deathbed, made

00:37:39.869 --> 00:37:43.610
one last joke. Was it? He said, not at all. Just

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make sure you give me a stick to chase him away.

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I love that. And his friends were like, Diogenes,

00:37:48.030 --> 00:37:50.070
you'll be dead. You can't use a stick. You won't

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be aware. And he delivers his final lesson. If

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I am unaware, then why should I care what happens

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to the body? Even in death, he was teaching.

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He was showing that the body is just a vessel.

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Once the person is gone, the meat doesn't matter.

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Our funeral customs are for the living, not the

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dead. In the end, the Corinthians didn't listen

00:38:09.309 --> 00:38:12.030
to him. They were too fond of him. They buried

00:38:12.030 --> 00:38:14.730
him with honor by the city gate. They even erected

00:38:14.730 --> 00:38:17.150
a pillar with a statue of a dog and parian marble

00:38:17.150 --> 00:38:20.090
on top of it. Which is deeply ironic, considering

00:38:20.090 --> 00:38:23.489
how much he hated monuments and statues. But

00:38:23.489 --> 00:38:26.170
let's talk about his legacy. Because Diogenes

00:38:26.170 --> 00:38:28.349
didn't just die and vanish. His ideas rippled

00:38:28.349 --> 00:38:30.530
out and actually formed the basis for a much

00:38:30.530 --> 00:38:33.050
more famous and much more mainstream philosophy.

00:38:33.489 --> 00:38:36.170
Hugely. His most famous student was a man named

00:38:36.170 --> 00:38:39.269
Crates of Thebes. And Crates taught a man named

00:38:39.269 --> 00:38:42.110
Zeno of Sidium. And Zeno is the founder of Stoicism.

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So the entire school of Stoicism, the philosophy

00:38:45.829 --> 00:38:48.690
of people like Seneca, Epictetus, the Roman emperor

00:38:48.690 --> 00:38:51.869
Marcus Aurelius, all of that traces its DNA directly

00:38:51.869 --> 00:38:54.570
back to Diogenes barking at people in his jar.

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But Stoicism is so different. It's so... polite.

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It's about duty and self -control within society.

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Stoicism is like the polite buttoned up version

00:39:03.989 --> 00:39:06.250
of cynicism. It's cynicism in a suit and tie.

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Stoicism took the core ideas that virtue is the

00:39:09.570 --> 00:39:11.309
only good. You should live according to nature.

00:39:11.469 --> 00:39:14.050
You should ignore wealth and status. But they

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smoothed out all the rough antisocial edges.

00:39:17.110 --> 00:39:18.590
They decided you could live in a nice house,

00:39:18.769 --> 00:39:21.090
hold a job and wear clean clothes and still be

00:39:21.090 --> 00:39:22.869
virtuous on the inside. Exactly. You didn't have

00:39:22.869 --> 00:39:24.829
to pee in the street to be free. We also have

00:39:24.829 --> 00:39:26.630
to mention a modern medical term that bears his

00:39:26.630 --> 00:39:30.190
name, Diogenes Syndrome. Yes, this is a real

00:39:30.190 --> 00:39:32.829
clinical term. It's used to describe a disorder,

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usually in elderly people, characterized by extreme

00:39:35.849 --> 00:39:38.550
self -neglect, domestic squalor, and compulsive

00:39:38.550 --> 00:39:40.489
hoarding. But based on everything we've just

00:39:40.489 --> 00:39:43.469
discussed, that seems incredibly unfair to Diogenes.

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It's a complete misnomer, a total misunderstanding

00:39:45.849 --> 00:39:49.000
of the man. Diogenes wasn't a hoarder. He was

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a radical minimalist. He threw things away. Hoarders

00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.679
surround themselves with junk. Diogenes surrounded

00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.159
himself with nothing. And Diogenes syndrome is

00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.880
characterized by social withdrawal people hiding

00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:02.289
in their homes. Right. And Diogenes was out in

00:40:02.289 --> 00:40:05.269
the Agora every single day engaging with people,

00:40:05.409 --> 00:40:08.110
arguing with them, shouting at them. He was hyper

00:40:08.110 --> 00:40:10.969
-social. So the medical community kind of got

00:40:10.969 --> 00:40:12.610
that one wrong. They focused on the filth but

00:40:12.610 --> 00:40:14.909
completely missed the philosophy. He's also iconic

00:40:14.909 --> 00:40:17.150
in art. You see him in Raphael's famous painting,

00:40:17.329 --> 00:40:19.710
The School of Athens. He's hard to miss. You

00:40:19.710 --> 00:40:21.610
have all these dignified philosophers, Plato,

00:40:22.010 --> 00:40:25.010
Aristotle standing in groups, arguing, holding

00:40:25.010 --> 00:40:28.070
books. And then there is Diogenes sprawling on

00:40:28.070 --> 00:40:30.869
the steps in his blue rags, just basking. totally

00:40:30.869 --> 00:40:34.099
alone, ignoring everyone. Even in the painting,

00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:36.639
he's an obstacle tripping up the passersby. So

00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.000
we've unpacked the man, the myth, and the jar.

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It's been a wild ride. But what does this all

00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:44.239
mean? Why does the guy who died over 2 ,300 years

00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.440
ago still matter to us? I think Diogenes matters

00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.079
because he is the ultimate mirror. We live in

00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.760
a society that is incredibly complex. We are

00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.699
obsessed with brands, with likes on social media,

00:40:55.900 --> 00:40:59.139
with job titles, property values, with keeping

00:40:59.139 --> 00:41:01.300
up with the Joneses. We're constantly stressed

00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:04.150
about things that... in the grand scheme of nature,

00:41:04.230 --> 00:41:07.389
don't even exist. Exactly. He forces us to ask,

00:41:07.510 --> 00:41:11.329
is this real or is this just painted currency?

00:41:12.110 --> 00:41:14.130
You don't have to move into a jar to learn from

00:41:14.130 --> 00:41:16.389
Diogenes. You don't have to, you know, do what

00:41:16.389 --> 00:41:18.329
he did in the marketplace. Please don't. Please

00:41:18.329 --> 00:41:20.289
don't. But you just have to look at your own

00:41:20.289 --> 00:41:22.929
life and ask, how much of my anxiety comes from

00:41:22.929 --> 00:41:25.429
trying to impress people I don't like or from

00:41:25.429 --> 00:41:27.130
following rules that don't actually make sense?

00:41:27.550 --> 00:41:30.269
He challenges us to be brave enough to be ourselves,

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even if it means looking a little crazy to everybody

00:41:32.769 --> 00:41:35.590
else. That is the takeaway for me. We are all

00:41:35.590 --> 00:41:37.610
playing a game. We are all acting out a part.

00:41:38.130 --> 00:41:40.570
Diogenes was the only one brave enough to stand

00:41:40.570 --> 00:41:43.389
up, flip the board over, and walk away. Before

00:41:43.389 --> 00:41:45.670
we go, here is a final provocative thought for

00:41:45.670 --> 00:41:49.210
you to chew on. Diogenes claimed his life's work

00:41:49.210 --> 00:41:52.889
was revaluing the currency. He believed that

00:41:52.889 --> 00:41:55.550
our shame, the shame of being poor or naked or

00:41:55.550 --> 00:41:58.699
different, was artificial a fake coin so the

00:41:58.699 --> 00:42:01.139
question is if you had to look at your own life

00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:03.860
right now your possessions your social obligations

00:42:03.860 --> 00:42:05.599
the things that keep you up at night stressing

00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.699
which of those are fake currency that diogenes

00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:10.500
would tell you to throw away and if you threw

00:42:10.500 --> 00:42:14.260
them away would you be poor or would you actually

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be free thanks for diving deep with us see you

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next time
