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I want you to imagine a specific kind of artist.

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Imagine someone who builds this beautiful, just

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pristine house. They spend years perfecting every

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detail, the architecture, the lighting, the furniture.

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Okay. And then the moment it's finished, they

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invite everyone over, hand out sledgehammers

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and say, okay, let's smash it to pieces just

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to see what the rubble looks like. That is a...

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a pretty destructive image. It is, but it feels

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so appropriate for the man we are talking about

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today. We are diving into the life and mind of

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Junichiro Tanizaki. And if you think you know

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Japanese literature, if you're picturing, you

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know, quiet tea ceremonies and cherry blossoms

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falling gently on the water, you really need

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to buckle up. Yeah, that's not what we're getting

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here. Not at all. Because Tanizaki is the guy

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who brings the spiders, the foot fetishes, and

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the psychological warfare to the tea ceremony.

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He absolutely disrupts the tranquility. I mean,

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Tanizaki is a figure of massive contradictions.

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he's a paradox wrapped in a kimono sitting in

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a western style chair it's it's a lot to unpack

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a paradox is a good word for it it really is

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because on one side you have this writer who

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is just completely obsessed with the shocking

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and we're talking about um destructive erotic

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obsessions sadomasochism and stories where beauty

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isn't just pretty it's this demonic force that

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completely ruins men's lives which sounds more

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like the plot of a pulp more novel honestly exactly

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it has that gritty psychological edge but then

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on the other side of that same coin you have

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the exact same man writing these incredibly subtle

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high art portrayals of traditional family dynamics

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he becomes the great defender of the fading beauty

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of old japan right the guy writing about shadows

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the guy who writes entire treatises on the nuance

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of shadows and the aesthetic value of a dim room

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It really feels like we are talking about two

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different people, but we aren't. It's all Jinachiro

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Tanizaki. And he's not some fringe figure, right?

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We aren't talking about some underground cult

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author that only a few people have read. Oh,

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far from it. He is one of the big three post

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-war Japanese writers, right alongside Yasunori

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Kawabata and Yukio Mishima. He was a literary

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giant, an absolute pillar. In fact, he was one

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of the six authors on the final shortlist for

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the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1964. The final

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shortlist. The final six. And he might very well

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have won it, too, had he not passed away the

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following year. So we're talking high stakes,

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high art, and very low primal urges. Yeah. That's

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the mix we're dealing with. That is the perfect

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summary. And the mission for this deep dive,

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I think, is to figure out how this guy ticked.

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We want to understand how a man who started his

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career as a Western -obsessed mohime, I mean,

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wearing suits, watching movies, living in a European

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-style house, how did he transform into the ultimate

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guardian of Japanese aesthetics? And we're going

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to find that the answer, strangely enough, lies

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in trauma, specifically geological trauma. Earthquakes.

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The earthquakes. You absolutely cannot understand

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Tanizaki's brain without understanding the ground

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literally shaking beneath his feet. And on top

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of that... We have to unpack the scandalous aspects

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of his personal life, including a wife swap incident

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that honestly makes modern celebrity gossip look,

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well, tame. It's unbelievable. It sounds like

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something he would have written, but it actually

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happened. I still can't believe that part is

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real, but we will get there. Let's rewind the

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clock first. Let's go back to the origin story.

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Okay. Junichiru Tanizaki, born July 24, 1886,

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Nihonbashi, Tokyo. What kind of world is he stepping

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into? well he's born into the Meiji era which

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is a time of just massive massive change in Japan

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The country is modernizing at a breakneck speed.

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But his immediate surroundings are very rooted

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in the merchant class. His family was actually

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doing quite well when he was born. They were

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well off. For a time, yes. His grandfather had

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established a printing press, and his uncle owned

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it. So there's this connection to ink, paper,

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and the written word right from the very beginning

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of his life. And from what I've read in his memoir,

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Childhood Years, or Yushi Jidai, he wasn't exactly

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a scrappy street kid fighting for scraps. Not

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at all. Not even close. He openly admits to having

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a pampered upbringing. He was the young master.

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He was spoiled, indulged, and very, very protected.

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And I think that's a crucial detail because when

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you are that sheltered, the outside world can

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seem absolutely terrifying. A fragile bubble.

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A very fragile bubble. And for Tanizaki, that

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terror became very real, very quickly. The bubble

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burst. It burst in two very distinct ways. First,

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financially. As he grew older, the family fortune

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just... That's a classic literary trope, isn't

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it? The fall of the great house. It is, and he

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lived it firsthand. It got bad enough that he

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had to move out of his family home and live in

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another household as a tutor just to get by.

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Wow. Yeah. He eventually clawed his way into

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the prestigious Tokyo Imperial University in

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1908 and the literature department. But he had

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to drop out in 1911. He simply couldn't pay the

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tuition. So he goes from the pampered prince

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to the dropout tutor. That's a massive blow to

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the ego for anyone I'd imagine. It is a huge

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psychological shock. But the second trauma was

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more visceral and it happened much earlier. 1894,

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the Meiji Tokyo earthquake. He would have been

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just a child then, eight years old. Exactly eight

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years old. And his childhood home was destroyed

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in that quake. Now, for a child who is already

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a bit sensitive and pampered, this is completely

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cataclysmic. I can't even imagine. Tanizaki later

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attributed his lifelong pathological fear of

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earthquakes to this specific moment. When you

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say pathological, you mean, what, he was just

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jumpy? I mean, he was paralyzed by it. Underly

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terrified. Throughout his life, friends reported

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that he would freeze up at the slightest tremor.

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Even a truck rumbling by outside could set him

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off. OK, so that's deep seated. It's very deep

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seated. And this fear is so important because

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it sets up a psychological baseline for him.

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The world is unstable. The ground you stand on

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literally and metaphorically can open up and

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swallow you at any moment. Nothing is permanent.

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So we have a young man who is financially humbled.

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terrified of nature, and trying to make his way

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in the literary world without a university degree.

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A pretty precarious position. And he makes his

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debut in 1910 with a short story that doesn't

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just open the door, it really kicks the door

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down. The Tattooer, or Shisei. This is the birth

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of what you might call Tanizaki the Demon. I

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read the summary of this story, and it is intense.

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It feels like a horror movie set up from the

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very first line. You have this tattoo artist,

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Seikichi, who is obsessed with finding the perfect

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skin, the perfect canvas for his art. Right,

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but he's not just an artist. He's a sadist. This

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story makes it clear he enjoys the pain he inflicts

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with his needles. He's been waiting for years

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to find a woman with the right quality of skin

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and, crucially, the right spirit to bear his

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masterpiece. And he finds her, a young geisha.

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And then it gets really dark. He drugs her, which

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is already a major red flight. A huge red flight.

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And while she's unconscious, he tattoos a giant

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spider on her back. A giant black widow spider,

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essentially. The text is very specific. It covers

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her entire back. It's his magnum opus. Now, in

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a normal story, or at least a more moralistic

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one from that era, the woman would wake up, she'd

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scream, cry, and be the tragic victim. But that

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is absolutely not what happens here. No. And

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this is the core of early Tanizaki. This is the

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key. When she wakes up and sees the spider in

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the mirror, she isn't horrified. She's empowered.

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Yes. The story explicitly suggests that the tattoo

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gives her a demonic, compelling power. The pain

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of the needle and the image of this predator

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unlocks something that was dormant inside her.

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She actually tells the artist, you have made

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me a true beauty. And then she essentially steps

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on him. She completely dominates him. And he

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likes it. He loves it. He becomes her first victim.

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He has created this perfect, beautiful monster,

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and all he wants is to be consumed by it. And

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this story establishes the template for so much

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of Tanizaki's early work, the femme fatale. He

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combines eroticism with sadomasochism. He links

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beauty directly, inextricably, to destruction.

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So for him, beauty isn't passive. It's not a

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flower sitting in a vase. No, it's a spider that

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eats you. It's an active, dangerous force. And

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it's a power dynamic. He explores this in other

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early stories, too, like The Children, The Secret,

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and Devil. There is this clear recurring obsession

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with the idea that men secretly desire to be

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destroyed by beauty. They want to be the fly

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in the web. That is a pretty radical departure

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from the good wife. wise mother ideal that the

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Japanese government was promoting at the time.

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It was a direct confrontational rejection of

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it. Tanizaki wasn't interested in moral instruction.

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He was interested in psychological extremes.

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And this rebellious streak didn't just stay in

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his books. It spilled out into his entire lifestyle.

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Which leads us into what we can call his modern

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boy phase. Exactly. The roaring 20s or the Japanese

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equivalent, the Taisho democracy era. Right.

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So from about 1913 to 1923, Tanizaki went through

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this period where he was absolutely He was. You

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have to understand. Japan at this time was modernizing

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so rapidly. There was new technology, new fashions,

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jazz, cafes. It was a cultural explosion. And

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Tanizaki just threw himself headfirst into all

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of it. In 1922, he makes a very significant move

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to Yokohama. And Yokohama is significant because...

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It's a port city. It's where the ships came in.

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It had a huge expatriate population. It was by

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far the most Western city in Japan at the time.

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So he's immersing himself. Completely. Tanizaki

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lived in a Western style house. He wore Western

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suits. He led a bohemian lifestyle. He wanted

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to be modern. And for him, nothing, absolutely

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nothing was more modern than the cinema. I was

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so surprised to learn this. Tanizaki was a movie

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guy. He was deeply, deeply involved in the film

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industry. He worked as a script writer for the

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Taikatsu film studio. And he wasn't just, you

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know, churning out pulp. He was a serious supporter

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of what was called the Pure Film Movement. What

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does pure film mean in this context? Well, at

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the time, a lot of Japanese cinema was really

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just filmed theater. They would literally set

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up a camera in front of a stage play and record

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it. It was very static. Ah, okay. The Pure Film

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Movement wanted to use actual cinematic techniques,

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close -ups, editing, visual storytelling, to

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create a new distinct art form. Tanizaki wrote

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scripts for films like Amateur Club in 1922 and

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A Serpent's Lust in 1923. A Serpent's Lust. That

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title fits right in with the spider tattoo, doesn't

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it? It certainly does. The themes were consistent.

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And scholars argue that you can't fully understand

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his later writing style without understanding

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his work in film. He learned how to tell stories

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through images, through lighting, through the

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visual framing of a scene. That makes sense.

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That visual nature becomes absolutely crucial

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later when he starts writing his masterpiece

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on, of all things, shadows. So he's living the

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high life in Yokohama, writing movie scripts,

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living in a Western house, pretending he's in

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Paris or London. That's the vibe. But we need

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to talk about his personal life during this time

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because there is some real life drama that sounds

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like it was scripted for a particularly bizarre

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reality TV show. The wife swap incident or the

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Odawara incident, as it's sometimes called. This

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is just wild. So he gets married in 1915 to a

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woman named Chiyo Ishikawa. They have a child,

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a daughter named Ayuko, but it's not a happy

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home. No, by all accounts, it was a miserable

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marriage. Tanizaki apparently found Shio too

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traditional, too domestic. She wasn't the spider

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woman or the modern girl he was fantasizing about

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in his fiction. She was just a wife, and that

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bored him immensely. So most people in that situation

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would, I don't know, get a divorce or have a

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discreet affair. Tanizaki does something much,

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much more complicated. He does something unique

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with Hanasaki. He actively encouraged a relationship

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between his wife Chiyo and his friend, the fellow

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writer Haro Satu. Wait, he pushed them together?

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He did. He essentially tried to hand her off

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to his friend, but then he would get cold feet

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or maybe jealous and pull her back. Then he'd

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push her away again. It was this years -long

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psychological torment for everyone involved,

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especially for Chiyo. Why on earth would he do

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that? It seems so unbelievably cruel. It was

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incredibly cruel. But if you look at it through

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the lens of his work, it makes a twisted kind

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of sense. He was treating the people around him

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like characters in his fiction. He was the puppet

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master pulling the strings just to see what kind

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of drama would unfold. So he was mining his own

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life for material? Constantly. He even wrote

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plays and novels about this exact situation while

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it was happening. Because I love her and between

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men and the gods. That is next level narcissism.

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I'm going to ruin my marriage and my friendship

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so I have something interesting to write about.

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It's the artist as a monster in a way. Yeah.

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But eventually this all comes to a head. In 1930,

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they actually released a signed public statement.

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All three of them, Tanizaki, Chiyo, and Satuth,

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signed a letter that was published in the press.

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They published it? Yes, announcing that Chiyo

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was being transferred to Satuth. They issued

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a press release. for a wife swap they did it

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caused a massive scandal as you can imagine but

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it shows you where tanizaki's head was at he

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was trying to modernize everything even the institution

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of marriage he was treating life itself as one

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big strange experiment so he's playing these

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dangerous manipulative games with people's lives

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he's living in a western house that he probably

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thinks is the height of modern civilization but

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while he's orchestrating all this personal chaos

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The Earth is preparing to deliver some chaos

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of its own. We've arrived at the pivot point,

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the great pivot of his life and career, September

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1st, 1923. The Great Canto Earthquake. We mentioned

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his childhood trauma with the 1894 quake. But

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the 1923 earthquake was on a scale that is hard

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to even comprehend. Magnitude 7 .9. It didn't

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just shake Tokyo and Yokohama. It leveled them.

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Total destruction. Total destruction. And then

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came the fires. Firestorms raged for days. Over

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100 ,000 people died. It was an apocalypse. And

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Tanizaki was living right there in Yokohama in

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his precious Western -style house. Yes. And his

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house was destroyed. It completely collapsed

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into a pile of rubble. Was he home when it happened?

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it happen? Fortunately, no. He was on a bus in

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Hakon, which is a mountainous resort area nearby,

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so he physically survived. But when he came back

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down from the mountains and saw the ruins, the

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psychological impact was profound. What did he

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see? What was that experience like? He saw that

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the modern world he had been worshipping was

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made of paper and glass. He saw that the Western

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architecture, which he thought was so solid and

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superior, had crumbled just as easily as the

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traditional Japanese structures. In fact, in

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many cases, it was worse. The brick buildings

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collapsed and crushed people. The fires consumed

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everything. It must have been a terrifying validation

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of his childhood fear. It's like the universe

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telling him, see, I was right all along. The

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ground is the enemy. Exactly. It confirmed his

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deepest paranoia. And it triggered this massive

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internal change. He realized that this modernity

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he loved was fragile. It was just the thin veneer

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over a volatile, dangerous landscape. So he made

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a decision. He ran. He left the entire region.

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He relocated from the ruins of the Tokyo area

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to the Kansai region, the area around Kyoto,

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Osaka, and Kobe. For our listeners who might

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not be familiar with the cultural geography of

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Japan, Can you explain the significance of that

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move? It's not just a change of scenery, is it?

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No, it's a profound cultural and spiritual shift.

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It's like a time travel move. Tokyo was the center

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of politics, modernization, and the new. Kansai,

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and particularly Kyoto, was the historical heart

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of tradition. It was the old imperial capital.

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So old Japan. It was old Japan. It's where the

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ancient temples were. It's where the old merchant

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culture of Osaka thrived. By moving to Kansai,

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Tanizaki was physically and spiritually retreating

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into the past. He's running away from the modern

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ruins to find... something that feels permanent.

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Something with roots. Precisely. The earthquake

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didn't just break buildings, it broke his obsession

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with the West. Or maybe it's more accurate to

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say it made him realize that he couldn't just

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be Western, he was Japanese, living on unstable

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Japanese soil, and he had to reckon with that.

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But it wasn't an overnight switch, right? He

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didn't just wake up the next day in a kimono

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writing haiku. No, not at all. There was a transition

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period, a kind of cultural hangover, if you will.

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And the key work from this time is the novel

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Naomi, or Chi - which was published around 1924

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-25. Naomi, this is a famous one. Some people

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call it the Japanese Lolita. It shares some themes

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with Lolita, certainly. The plot is this tragicomic

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exploration of sexual obsession in class. The

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protagonist, Joji, is this boring middle -aged

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engineer. He meets a young teenage waitress named

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Naomi. And he becomes obsessed. Utterly obsessed.

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But specifically, he is obsessed with making

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her Western. He wants to mold her, like a Pygmalion

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story. Exactly. He wants to create his perfect

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modern girl. He pays for her to learn English.

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It sounds like Tanizaki is writing about his

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own recent past. He's working something out here.

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He is absolutely satirizing himself. Joji is

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the fool who worships the West without any critical

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thought. And Naomi, well, Naomi takes his money

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and his lessons and she turns into a monster.

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The spider returns. The spider returns in a flapper

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dress. She completely dominates him. She cheats

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on him. him with Western men. She's cruel to

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him. And Joji just takes it because he is so

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enslaved by her modern allure. So even though

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he's moving physically toward tradition, his

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mind is still wrestling with this destructive

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modern girl figure. Exactly. Naomi is the bridge.

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It's him processing the failure of his Western

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fantasy, showing how hollow it was. But once

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he settles into the Kansai period for good, the

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deep dive into tradition really begins. From

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the late 1920s through the 1940s, we see the

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emergence of the shadow Tanizaki. This is the

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era where he writes the masterpieces that he's

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most remembered for. It is. He totally immerses

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himself in the local culture. He becomes fascinated

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by the Osaka dialect, which is much softer and

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more musical than the standard Tokyo Japanese.

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He starts attending Bunraku, the traditional

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puppet theater, and Kabuki. He's like an anthropologist

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of his own culture. And this leads to the novel

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Some Prefer Nettles, published in 1928 -29. This

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book is pivotal. It's almost a manifesto for

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his change in perspective. The story is about

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a Tokyo man named Kaneme who is living near Osaka.

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He's in a loveless marriage, a recurring theme

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for Tanizaki, obviously, and he finds himself

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torn. Torn between what? Torn between two worlds.

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On one side, he has his modern westernized life.

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On the other, he is increasingly drawn to his

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father -in -law's mistress, a very traditional

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woman who represents old Japan, who is obsessed

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with the puppet theater, who embodies this quiet...

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Subtle beauty. It's a literal representation

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of his own internal conflict, East versus West,

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right there on the page. It is. It's a mirror

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of his own journey. And the conclusion of the

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book, which is very ambiguous, suggests that

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he is slowly, inevitably drifting toward the

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traditional side. He stops fighting it. He's

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surrendering to the Japan inside him. And this

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surrender leads to an essay that I think is one

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of the most beautiful and, frankly, strange things

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ever written about aesthetics. In Praise of Shadows.

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In E. Ray Zahn, published in 1933. If you care

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about design, architecture, food, or just beauty

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in general, you have to read this essay. It will

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change how you see the world. Let's unpack it.

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What is his core argument? It's pretty radical.

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His core thesis is that Western culture is fundamentally

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obsessed with light. The West wants to illuminate

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everything. White walls, bright electric bulbs,

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clarity, sterility. They want to banish the dark.

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Which makes sense on a practical level. We want

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to be able to see things clearly. Yeah, of course.

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But Tanizaki argues that traditional Japanese

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beauty is built on shadows. He says that the

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beauty of a traditional Japanese room depends

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entirely on the varying degrees of dimness. He

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talks about how gold leaf looks in a dark room.

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How does it look? Well, if you put gold leaf

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in a bright fluorescent lit room, it just looks

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gaudy. It's tacky. It's cheap. But if you put

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that same gold leaf in a dark room lit by a single

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candle. It glows. It seems to gather the faint

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light and reflect it with this deep, heavy, mysterious

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power. He says the darkness is what gives the

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gold its value. He talks about soup, too. Yeah.

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Which I absolutely love. The lacquerware soup

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bowl, yes. He compares it to Western white ceramic

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dishes. He says Western dishes are shallow and

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bright. You see the soup immediately. It just

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looks like brown liquid. There's no mystery.

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But with a dark lacquer bowl, you have to bring

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it close to your face, and you gaze down into

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the darkness of the soup at the bottom of the

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dark bowl. It retains the heat. It feels mysterious

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and profound. He argues the pleasure of the food

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itself is enhanced by the shadows it's served

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in. And we absolutely cannot forget the toilet.

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The famous toilet section. You can't talk about

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Impreza of Shadows without talking about the

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toilet. He writes this beautiful... almost romantic

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love letter to the traditional japanese outhouse

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he does he contrasts the western toilet which

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is white tiled sterile and clinical a place of

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pure function with the traditional wooden outhouse

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he describes the outhouse as a place of spiritual

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repose spiritual repose In an outhouse. Yes.

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He talks about the dark wood, the faint light

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filtering through a paper screen, the smell of

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moss, the sound of rain falling on leaves just

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outside. He finds this profound meditative beauty

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in the most functional biological act, as long

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as it is wrapped in shadow and nature. It's such

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a complete rejection of the clean, bright, modern

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life he was living in Yokohama. He's basically

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saying that by turning on all the lights, we

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killed the magic. Exactly. He's issuing a warning.

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He's saying that when we chase Western modernization,

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we are bleaching our own culture. We are losing

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the nuance. We are losing the shadows. And for

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him, the shadows were where beauty lived. This

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philosophy of shadows and fading beauty culminates

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in what is arguably his greatest work, the Makioka

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Sisters. Sasamuki. It was written over a long

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period, between 1943 and 1948. The title literally

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translates to a light snowfall. It's such a beautiful,

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gentle image. It fits the novel perfectly. It's

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a massive book, over 500 pages. But nothing massive

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really happens in terms of action or plot. It

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follows four daughters of a wealthy, old money

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Osaka merchant family. The Makioka family. Right.

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And the central tragedy of the book is all in

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the background. Their traditional way of life

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is slowly... gently slipping away. It's set in

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the years leading up to World War II, from 1936

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to 1941. But it's not a war novel. Not at all.

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The characters aren't fighting on the front lines.

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They are trying to arrange marriages for the

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third sister, Yukiko. They are going on trips

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to view the cherry blossoms. They are catching

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fireflies. They are trying on kimonos. The drama

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is all in these small, everyday acts of cultural

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preservation. It's about the preservation of

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a mood, of a feeling. It is. It's about a world

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that is fading like melting snow. And unlike

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his early characters who are screaming and fighting

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about their identity, these sisters don't have

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identity crises. They aren't torn between East

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and West. They are just trying to exist beautifully

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in a world that is moving on without them. Now,

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here is the fascinating conflict. Tanizaki was

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writing and trying to serialize this novel during

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World War II. Yes, right in the middle of it.

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And the Japanese military government. They hated

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it. They absolutely despised it. Well, I mean,

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on the surface, it sounds like the most Japanese

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thing ever written. It's about kimonos and family

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and tradition and cherry blossoms. That is the

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supreme irony of the whole situation. But it

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wasn't the right kind of Japanese for the fascists

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in power. The military government wanted war

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spirit. They wanted stories about self -sacrifice,

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nationalism, and soldiers dying gloriously for

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the emperor. And Tanizaki was giving them. What?

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He was giving them luxury, femininity, softness,

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and the decadent beauty of a past they wanted

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to erase. He was focusing on the unimportant

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lives of women. It was banned. Effectively, yes.

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The editors of the literary magazine, Tusharan,

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where it was being serialized, were called in

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by the military police. They were warned that

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this novel did not contribute to the war effort.

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They were told it was effeminate and individualistic.

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And when the magazine tried to continue publishing

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it, the government threatened to cut off their

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paper supplies. They cut off the paper. That

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is a very bureaucratic and chilling way to kill

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a masterpiece. It shows that Tanizaki's version

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of tradition was aesthetic, not political. He

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wasn't a nationalist in the militaristic sense.

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He was an esthete. He cared about beauty, not

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war. In a way, he was resisting the war simply

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by ignoring it and focusing on the pattern of

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a beautiful kimono instead. So the war ends.

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The militarist Japan is defeated. Tanizaki has

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survived the earthquake, the personal scandals,

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and the government censorship. He emerges in

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the post -war period as a legend. He becomes

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the grand old man of Japanese letters, a living

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treasure. He wins the prestigious Asahi Prize

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in 1948. He receives the Order of Culture from

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the Emperor in 1949. In 1964, he becomes the

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first Japanese writer ever elected to honorary

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membership in the American Academy and Institute

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of Arts and Letters. So logically, this is the

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part of his life where he settles down, acts

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dignified, and writes gentle memoirs about his

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grandkids, the respectable elder statesman. You

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would think so. That would be the logical progression.

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But this is Kanazaki. He did not mellow with

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age. In fact, in some ways, he became more biologically

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explicit. He became the mad old man. This is

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my favorite twist in his whole story. Just when

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you think he's become the shadow man forever,

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the old demon from his youth comes roaring back.

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The demon comes back, but he's old now and he's

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frail. And that's what he writes about in the

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1950s and 60s. Tanizaki starts exploring sexuality

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in old age, and he is unflinching about the often

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grotesque realities of the aging body. He writes

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the key. Or Keggy in 1956. Yes. And this novel

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shocked people all over again. It's a psychological

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thriller told through the diaries of a husband

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and wife. The husband is an aging professor who

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is losing his sexual vitality. He can't perform

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anymore. So he comes up with this twisted plan.

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He arranges for his wife to commit adultery with

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a younger man, their daughter's fiance. Why?

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What's the end game there? He wants to make himself

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pathologically jealous. He finds that the jealousy,

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the humiliation gives him a spark of energy.

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It's the only thing that can arouse him anymore.

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He literally feeds off his own humiliation to

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feel alive. That goes right back to the voyeurism

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and manipulation we saw in his 20s with the wife

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swap. It's the same psychological mechanism.

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It is. It proves that the core obsessions never

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left him. He just adapted them to the circumstances

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of his aging body. And then there is his final

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major work, Diary of a Mad Old Man, or Food and

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Roja Nikki, published in 1961 -62. The title

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is pretty upfront about what you're getting into.

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It is. In this one, the protagonist is a wealthy,

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sick old man. He suffers from all kinds of ailments,

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nerve pain, high blood pressure. And early in

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the novel, he actually suffers a major stroke.

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And what causes the stroke? An excess of sexual

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excitement. He gets too worked up while watching

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his beautiful daughter -in -law, Satsuko, perform

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a traditional dance. He literally strokes out

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from voyeurism. Yes. And as he is recovering,

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or rather as he is slowly dying, his diary records

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his efforts to bribe this daughter -in -law.

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She is a total modern girl type. She likes boxing

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matches. She wears Western clothes. She is Naomi

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all over again 40 years later. The modern girl

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returns to haunt his final days. she returns

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and the old man knows he can't have her sexually

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so he bribes her for small favors he wants her

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to let him kiss her foot or just show him her

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legs and in exchange for these little thrills

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he buys her things what does he buy her this

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is the amazing part He buys her Western baubles,

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a distinctively Western handbag, an expensive

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cat's eye ring, all these imported luxury accessories

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from Paris or New York. Wait, really? So we've

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come completely full circle? Completely, totally

00:28:29.789 --> 00:28:33.069
full circle. In his final years, the West returns

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to his work. But notice the difference. In his

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youth, the West was an ideal. It was a philosophy,

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a lifestyle he wanted to live. Now, at the end

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of his life... The West is just a fetish object.

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It's a shiny toy that a dying man uses to buy

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a fleeting moment of sensation. That is such

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a cynical yet perfect ending to his thematic

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arc. The West starts as a religion, becomes a

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ruin after the earthquake, and ends up as a bribe

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for a foot fetish. It's Tanizaki in a nutshell.

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He was cynical, but he was also deeply honest.

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He wrote about his own health issues directly

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in that book. He really did suffer from paralysis

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of his right hand starting in 1958. He really

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did have angina pectoris. He used his own physical

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decline as raw material for his fiction. He cannibalized

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his own life until the very end. There is a tanka

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poem he wrote in 1963, just a couple of years

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before he died, that I think captures his mindset

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perfectly. Yes, I know the one. This heart of

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mine is only one. It cannot be known by anybody.

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but myself. He lived a life that was so public

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in so many ways. The scandals, the awards, the

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essays. But internally, he remained a complete

00:29:39.410 --> 00:29:43.250
enigma. He died on July 30, 1965, of a heart

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attack in Ugawara. He was buried at Hunan -in

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Temple in Kyoto. A very traditional temple, I

00:29:48.670 --> 00:29:51.069
assume. A beautiful, quiet temple known for its

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moss and its deep shadows. A fitting resting

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place for the author of In Praise of Shadows.

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And his legacy is completely cemented. The Tanizaki

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Prize was established that same year, 1965, and

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it's still one of the most prestigious and sought

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-after literary awards in Japan today. When you

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look back at the whole trajectory, it's just

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astonishing. He starts with the spider tattoo

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body horror. He moves to silent film scripts

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and western suits. He survives the great Kanto

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earthquake, which shatters his entire worldview.

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He retreats to the Kansai region to write the

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high art of the Makioka sisters. And then he

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ends his career staring unflinchingly at the

00:30:27.930 --> 00:30:31.230
grotesque realities of elderly desire. What a

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ride. It's an incredible artistic journey. So

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let's wrap this up. What is the so what here?

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Why does Tanizaki matter to us sitting here today?

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I think he matters because he didn't just choose

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East or West. He embodied the violent, messy

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struggle between them, Japan in the 20th century,

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and really the whole world was trying to figure

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out how to be modern without completely losing

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its soul. And Tanizaki's life and work show that

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it's not a clean transition. It involves pain,

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confusion, contradiction, and loss. And he showed

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us the value of the shadows we've lost. He taught

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us that tradition isn't just about museums or

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history books or tea ceremonies. It's about a

00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.039
way of seeing the world. It's about shadows,

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darkness, and nuance. He warned us that when

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we turn on the bright lights of modernity, whether

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that's literal electric lights or just the constant

00:31:19.730 --> 00:31:22.329
glare of the Internet and global culture, we

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lose something profound. We lose the mystery.

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We lose the mystery. We lose the ability to see

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the gold leaf glowing in the dark. That brings

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us to a final thought for our listeners. We talked

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a lot about the earthquake. Tanizaki hated earthquakes.

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He was terrified of them his whole life. They

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were his trauma. And yet the Great Kanto Earthquake

00:31:40.900 --> 00:31:43.000
was the very thing that forced him to move to

00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:46.720
Kansai. It forced him to pivot. It arguably forced

00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:48.839
him to become the great writer he became. It

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destroyed his house, but it built his legacy.

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A terrible paradox. Exactly. So here is a provocative

00:31:54.460 --> 00:31:57.039
question for you, the listener, to think about.

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Is destruction sometimes necessary for true reinvention?

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Can we only truly value our culture or even our

00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.319
own lives once we've seen the ruins of what we

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thought we wanted? It's a terrifying thought,

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but perhaps a necessary one. Sometimes the ground

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has to shake before we can find our footing.

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Something to mull over. That's it for this deep

00:32:17.589 --> 00:32:19.970
dive into the shadows and spiders of Junichiru

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Tanizaki. Thanks for listening. Thanks.
