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So if you really look at the history of, say,

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the 20th century, you can probably point to,

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what, maybe three, four people who literally

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invented a sound. A sound, yeah, not just a new

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song. Right, not a new genre even, but a sonic

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texture, something that just fundamentally changed

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how we all hear music. It's a tragically short

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list, and right at the top of it, for better

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or worse, is Phil Spector. But the problem with

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Spectre, and this is really why we're doing this

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deep dive today, is that you can't separate the

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sonic architecture from the, well... the psychological

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architecture. The man who built the Wall of Sound,

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this incredible Wagnerian, beautiful pop explosion,

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is the exact same man who died in a prison hospital,

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a convicted murderer, unable to even speak. It's

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the ultimate paradox, isn't it? We always try

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to do that thing, you know, separate the art

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from the artist. You listen to the music, you

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ignore the guy behind the curtain. But with Spectre...

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I really don't think you can. The source material

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we're looking at today, I mean, the biographies,

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the core transcripts, the session logs, they

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all point to one single unifying thread. Control.

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Control. The absolute iron -fisted control he

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exerted over every single note of music was the

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exact same pathology that destroyed his life

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and the lives of people around him. And that's

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our mission today. We're not just going to recount.

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a biography, you know, A to B to C, we're trying

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to really understand the mechanism of that control.

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How does a poor, bullied kid from the Bronx become

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the tycoon of teen in just a few years? And then

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the flip side, how does that same obsessive genius

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curdle into something so... So dark and violent.

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And we should give a fair warning to everyone

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listening. We are absolutely going to geek out

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on the technical side of things. The 1960s production

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genius, the microphones, the arrangements, the

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echo chambers. Oh, for sure. But to tell the

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whole story, the second half of this dive has

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to go to some incredibly dark places. We're talking

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about abuse, isolation, and ultimately murder.

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It's heavy stuff, but it's necessary. You can't

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understand the ending of this story if you don't

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really, really look at the very beginning. And

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for Phil Spector, the beginning is defined by

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a single shattering event. It really all starts

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with the family dynamic. He's born Harvey Phillips

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Spector, 1939, in the Bronx. Right. Russian -Jewish

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immigrant family. And right away, there's this

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feeling of... The family name wasn't even originally

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Spector. It was something like Spectus or Spectors.

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And it got anglicized at Ellis Island, you know,

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the classic story. But there was a deeper secret

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in the house, something that Spector himself

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believed his whole life. The cousin theory. Yeah.

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He grew up believing, and the sources we have

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suggest this was a widely held, if whispered,

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family belief that his parents were actually

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first cousins. So imagine being a kid and hearing

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that. Right from the jump, you feel genetically

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compromised, like an outsider in your own bloodline.

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Exactly. And he was a small kid, you know, asthmatic.

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He got bullied relentlessly. He just had this

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cloud over him. But the event that broke everything,

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the trauma that you can argue runs through every

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single record he ever produced, that happened

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in 1949. His father, Benjamin Spector. Yeah.

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His dad was a deeply troubled man. He was an

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iron worker, but he was just drowning in debt.

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And one morning, April 20th, he goes out to his

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car. which is parked in the family's attached

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garage. He starts the engine. And doesn't open

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the garage door. Suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning.

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Phil was nine years old. Nine! Think about the

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scale of that abandonment for a nine -year -old

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boy. The father figure in your life just vanishes.

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And the family, his mother Bertha and his older

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sister Shirley, they don't handle it with, you

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know, therapy and open discussion. Oh no, this

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was the 1940s. They handle it with silence. And

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then relocation. They pack up everything and

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move across the country to Los Angeles in 1953.

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Bertha gets a job as a seamstress. And Phil.

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He basically becomes a ghost. He enrolls in Fairfax

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High School. But he's invisible. He's the classic

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kid in the corner with the asthma inhaler, terrified

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of the world, carrying this massive unspoken

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grief. Until he picks up a guitar. And this is,

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I mean, it's almost a cliche, right? The instrument

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as a shield? The thing that lets the quiet kid

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finally speak? But for Spector, it wasn't just

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about playing chords. It was about expression.

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It was a way to process things. And he starts

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to find his tribe. He falls in with this crew

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of other outcasts and aspiring musicians, guys

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who would become big names later, like Lou Adler

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and Bruce Johnston. And this little community,

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this kind of musical gang, it leads to the formation

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of the Teddy Bears. And here's where I want to

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just pause, because the story of their first

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hit single is almost too perfect. It's so literary

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it feels like it should be fiction, but it's

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absolutely true. It's an incredible act of psychological

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sublimation. It's 1958. Spector is 18 years old.

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He's trying to write a song for his little high

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school group. And he can't get his father out

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of his head. Specifically, he's thinking about

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a trip they took back to the cemetery in New

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York after his father died. He's picturing the

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tombstone. And he remembers the epitaph carved

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into the stone. The epitaph on Benjamin Spector's

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grave read, To know him was to love him. Which

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is, I mean, what a phrase. And he takes that

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phrase, which, let's be honest, was probably

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a lie because his father was a troubled, difficult

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man who ultimately abandoned them. And he performs

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this amazing psychological trick. He twists it.

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He changes the tense. To know him is to love

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him. He takes his profound, complicated grief

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for a dead father and he repackages it. He turns

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it into a sweet, innocent teenage love ballad

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about a high school boyfriend. That is a staggering

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pivot for an 18 -year -old. He didn't just process

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his trauma. He monetized it. He turned it into

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a product. And they record it for a tiny label,

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Era Records. And it doesn't just do okay. It

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slowly climbs the charts and goes all the way

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to number one on the Billboard Hot 100. It sells

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over a million copies. Can you imagine the dopamine

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hit from that? You are a bleed, asthmatic, fatherless

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kid, and suddenly the entire country is singing

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your private pain. But they think they're singing

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about a high school crush. That has to fundamentally

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rewire your brain. It validated him completely.

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But here's the catch, and it's a big one. The

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Teddy Bears were not a very good band. Not at

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all. They were a vehicle for that one perfect

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song. They went on tour, and Spector hated it.

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He absolutely despised the lack of control in

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a live performance. The acoustics were bad, the

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audience was unpredictable, the band made mistakes.

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He wasn't in charge of the sound. Right, and

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he realized very, very quickly. I don't want

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to be the puppet on the stage. I want to be the

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puppet master in the booth. He wants to be in

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the control room. Exactly. So the band breaks

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up by 1959. The follow -up singles flop. Spector

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dusts himself off and decides he needs a real

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education, not college. He goes to the real University

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of Pop Music at the time. The Brill Building.

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He moves to New York and basically forces his

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way into the orbit of Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller.

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The absolute gods of that era. These guys wrote

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Hound Dog, Jailhouse Rock, Stand By Me. They

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were the architects of rock and roll songwriting.

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And Spector becomes their apprentice. And this

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is such a crucial period that often gets overlooked.

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He wasn't just fetching coffee and watching from

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the sidelines. He was a session musician. He

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was in the room playing on these records. That's

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Phil Spector playing the guitar solo on the Drifters

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on Broadway. It is. And he co -wrote Spanish

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Harlem with Jerry Leiber for Benny King. Wait,

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he co -wrote Spanish Harlem? That's a classic.

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It's a standard. And while he's doing all this,

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he's watching Leiber and Stoller work. He's absorbing

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everything. He's seeing how they manage the musicians,

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how they structure a three -minute drama, how

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they build a song. But he's also seeing what

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they aren't doing. He thinks they're still too

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traditional. He thinks they're still just recording

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a band in a room, and he's hearing something

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bigger in his head, something thicker, more orchestral.

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So he takes this incredible crash course in pop

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production, goes back to L .A., and in 1961,

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he makes a move that is just unprecedented for

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a guy his age. He co -founds his own record label,

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Phil's Records. Phil plus his other mentor, Lester

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Sill. He is 21 years old. 21. He is the youngest

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record label owner in the United States. And

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now, for the first time, he has total, absolute

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autonomy. And this is where his business strategy

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completely breaks from the norm. At the time,

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the industry model was basically throw spaghetti

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at the wall and see what sticks. Right. You sign

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20 acts, you release 50 singles, and you just

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pray that three of them become hits. It was a

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volume game. Spector looked at that model and

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said, that's stupid. That's inefficient. He went

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for extreme scarcity. He wanted to release very

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few records, but he wanted every single one of

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them to be a smash hit. He treated pop music

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not as a disposable commodity, but as a major

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artistic event. Each single was like a movie

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premiere. And to make sure they were hits, he

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had to control the product from conception to

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consumption. Right. Which brings us to the invention

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he's most famous for. The wall of sound. The

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wall of sound. Now, I really want to break this

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down technically because people use that term

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so loosely today to just mean, you know, loud

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music. But in 1962, this was a very specific,

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almost scientific acoustic formula. His pitch

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was little symphonies for the kids. That was

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the phrase he used. He wanted the grandeur and

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the emotional weight of a Wagner opera, but he

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wanted it compressed into a three minute, 45

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RPM single. And it all started with the personnel.

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He didn't use small, tight rock and roll bands.

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He assembled a collective of LA's best session

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players. The Wrecking Crew. The legendary Wrecking

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True, Hal Blaine on drums, the incredible Carole

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Kay on bass, Larry Nechtel on keys, Glen Campbell

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on guitar. These were mostly jazz players. I

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mean, these guys could play anything you put

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in front of them. But Spector didn't want them

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to play like individual jazz musicians showing

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off their chops. He wanted them to play as a

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single massive organism. So in a normal session

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back then, you'd have one guitar, one bass, one

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piano, a drum kit. Spector would book three piano

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players. Four or five guitarists. Two, sometimes

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three bassists. And here's the crucial part.

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They weren't playing complex harmonies or counter

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melodies against each other. No, they were all

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playing the exact same notes at the exact same

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time. So from a physics standpoint, what does

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that do to the sound? Because if you have three

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pianos all playing a C chord, it doesn't just

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sound like one really light piano, right? It

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completely changes the timbre, the character

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of the sound. Because no two human beings can

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hit a piano key or pluck a guitar string at the

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exact same microsecond. So you get these tiny,

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almost imperceptible delays, milliseconds of

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difference between each player. It blurs the

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attack of the note. It blurs the attack and it

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creates this incredible thick wash of tone. it

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stops sounding like a piano and a guitar, and

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it starts sounding like this new hybrid instrument

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that you've never heard before. It creates a

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texture where you can't easily pick out the individual

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instruments anymore. Precisely. It becomes a

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wall of sound. And then you factor in the room.

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He worked almost exclusively at Gold Star Studios

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in Los Angeles, specifically Studio A. And it

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was a small room. famously small tiny and he

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would cram 20 30 musicians into this little room

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violins next to the drums horns next to the guitars

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there was no isolation so you're getting incredible

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microphone bleed the drum mic is picking up the

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guitars the vocal mic is picking up the percussion

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which is the exact opposite of how modern recording

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works yeah today it's all about isolation Separation.

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Getting a clean signal for each instrument. Spector

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wanted the opposite. He wanted the bleed. He

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wanted the air in the room to be completely saturated

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with sound before it even hit a microphone. And

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then the secret sauce. The echo chambers. And

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again, we're not talking about digital reverb

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plugins that you just click on a computer. These

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were physical rooms. Oh, yeah. Goldstar had these

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legendary trapezoidal concrete basements. Spector

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would take the audio from the live studio performance,

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pump it down into these concrete rooms through

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massive speakers, record the sound of it bouncing

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off the concrete walls. Which would create this

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huge, muddy, beautiful decay. And then he would

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fold that wet, messy, gorgeous echo back on top

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of the original mix. So you have the blurred

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instruments, the microphone bleed, and this thick

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layer of natural concrete reverb slathered over

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everything. It's impossibly dense. And on top

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of all that, he insisted on recording and mixing

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in mono. Which is such a key point because by

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the early 60s, the world was moving to stereo.

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That was the new exciting technology. Why did

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he fight so hard for mono? Control. 100 % control.

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If you're listening to a record in Scario, you,

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the listener, have a little bit of agency. You

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can sit closer to the left speaker or the right

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speaker. You can perceive the separation of the

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instruments. In mono, there's nowhere to go.

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The producer decides the exact balance of every

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single element. The sound comes out of the speaker

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as a single, unified, indivisible block. You

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hear exactly what Phil Spector wants you to hear

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in the exact way he wants you to hear it. There

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is no other option. It's basically authoritarian

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audio engineering. That is the perfect way to

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put it. And my God, did it work. The output from

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Fela's records from 1962 to 1965 is just an unbelievable

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run of hits. You start with the crystals. And

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right away, with their first big hit, He's a

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Rebel, you see the control in action. Because

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the source material confirms that wasn't actually

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the crystals singing on the record. Not at all.

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Specker was in a rush. He heard another producer

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was about to release a version of the song, and

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he had to beat them to the charts. He was in

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L .A., but the Crystals, the actual group, were

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on the road in New York. So what does he do?

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He doesn't care. He just grabs a local L .A.

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group, Barleen Love and the Blossoms, has them

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sing the track, and he slaps the Crystals on

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the label and releases it. The name of the artist

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didn't matter. The brand was a Phil Spector production.

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The singers were just another instrument, totally

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interchangeable parts in his machine. That's

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exactly how he viewed them. And then you get

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this string of classics. Do, Ron, Ron. Then he

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kissed me, and then he finds what he considers

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the crown jewel of his sonic empire, the Ronettes.

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And specifically, their lead singer, Veronica

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Bennett, Ronnie. Her voice just obsessed him.

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It had this perfect blend of girlish innocence

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and raw, streetwise power. He hears her, and

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he thinks, this is it. This is the instrument

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I've been waiting for. And he builds his masterpiece

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around her, Be My Baby. That opening drum beat,

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boom, boom, boom, clap. It's the heartbeat of

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the 1960s, Hal Blaine's drumming. And Brian Wilson

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of the Beach Boys famously called Be My Baby

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the greatest pop record ever made. He said he

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listened to it a thousand times, trying to figure

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out how Spector did it. It's the absolute perfection

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of the Wallace sound formula. He went to number

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two on the charts. And this run of hits solidified

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Spector as not just a guy who made records, but

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as a cultural force. He was changing the very

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sound of popular music. And he reaches the absolute

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commercial peak with the Righteous Brothers.

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You've lost that love and feeling. Phila's record's

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second number one single. But look at the legacy

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of that song. Up until 2019, it was the single

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most played song on American radio and television

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in history. Man, staggering. And at the time,

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it was almost four minutes long, which was considered

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commercial suicide for a pop single. So what

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did Spector do? He lied. He printed the running

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time on the record's label as 3 .05 so that radio

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DJs wouldn't be scared off and would actually

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play it. It's just constant manipulation. He

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was manipulating the singers, the musicians,

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the DJs, the listeners, even time itself. And

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we can't talk about this golden era without mentioning

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the Christmas album, A Christmas Gift for You

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from Phyllis Records. Because today, we listen

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to Darlene Love singing Christmas, Baby Please

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Come Home, and it feels absolutely timeless.

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It's a holiday staple. But the release timing

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was one of the most tragic coincidences in music

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history. It was released on November 20th, 1963.

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The day John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Talk

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about the air getting sucked out of the room.

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The entire nation was in mourning. Absolutely

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no one was in the mood to hear these bombastic,

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joyous, wall of sound. Christmas carols. The

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album completely tanked. It was a total commercial

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failure. It took decades for it to be reevaluated

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and recognized as the masterpiece it is. But

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for Spector, who believed he had the Midas touch,

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these little failures, these moments where he

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couldn't control the world, they started to chip

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away at his armor. And you see his obsession

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with control in this other weird little detail

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from that era, the B -sides of his records. I

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love this because it shows his complete disdain

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for the rules of the industry. He was basically

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trolling the DJs. He was terrified that a disc

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jockey might accidentally flip the record over

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and play the B side, and maybe that would become

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the hit by mistake and he would lose control

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of the narrative. So he made the B sides. Unlistenable

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on purpose. He recorded intentional garbage.

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Just throw away instrumental tracks that went

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nowhere. He'd give them joke titles, too. There's

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one called Dr. Kaplan's Office. Named after his

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psychiatrist. Exactly. He made the B -sides unplayable

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to force everyone to focus only on his art, the

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A -side. It's just control, control, control

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at every level. But you can only manipulate reality

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for so long before reality pushes back. And the

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big pushback came in 1966. The record was River

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Deep Mountain High. This is the pivot point.

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This is the moment the whole simulation breaks

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down for him. He signs Ike and Tina Turner. Or

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really since Tina. He didn't care about Ike at

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all. He famously paid Ike something like $20

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,000 just to stay out of the studio during the

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sessions. He just wanted Tina's voice. He wanted

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to build the ultimate monument to himself to

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the wall of sound using her incredible voice

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as the final perfect instrument. and he sweats

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blood over this track he works on it for weeks

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he uses a massive orchestra he considers it his

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magnum opus the greatest thing he has ever created

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he releases it fully expecting the world to just

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bow down in awe and in the united states It charts

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at number 88. 88. That's not a flop. That's a

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public rejection. It shattered him. It did well

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in the UK. It went to number three there. But

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in America, the culture had moved on. The Beatles

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were getting experimental. Bob Dylan had gone

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electric. The Motown sound was slick and sophisticated.

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Spectre's melodramatic teenage symphonies were

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starting to sound, well, a little dated. And

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because his entire ego, his entire identity was

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constructed around this idea of being the infallible

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genius who controlled the charts, This failure

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didn't just make him sad or disappointed, it

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made him retreat. He basically takes his ball

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and goes home. He shuts down Philly's records.

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He becomes a recluse. He withdraws into his mansion

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and starts getting weird. I mean, weirder. We

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see him pop up in a cameo in the 1969 movie Easy

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Rider playing a drug dealer, which feels a little

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on the nose in retrospect. But really, for a

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few years, he's in a self -imposed exile. Until

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the biggest man in the world realizes they have

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a problem so big that only Phil Spector can solve

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it. The Beatles. 1970. This is the infamous let

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it be disaster. It was an absolute mess. The

00:19:12.339 --> 00:19:14.579
original get back sessions were just hours and

00:19:14.579 --> 00:19:17.579
hours of tape of the band arguing, playing half

00:19:17.579 --> 00:19:20.539
finished songs with terrible vibes. The band

00:19:20.539 --> 00:19:22.339
had essentially given up and abandoned the whole

00:19:22.339 --> 00:19:24.720
project. So Alan Klein, their manager at the

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time, brings Spector over to England, dumps these

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tapes in his lap and basically says, can you

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make an album out of this junk? And this is one

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of the most polarizing moments in rock history,

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because for half the world. Specifically, he

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desecrated it for Paul McCartney. Oh, Paul was

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infuriated. You listen to a song like The Long

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and Winding Road. Paul wrote a simple, beautiful,

00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.690
sparse piano ballad. Spector gets his hands on

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it. And what does he do? He specterizes it. He

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adds a massive string orchestra. He adds a heavenly

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choir. He adds harps. He slathers it in the wall

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of sound. McCartney hated it. He felt it was

00:20:02.529 --> 00:20:06.250
pure schmaltz. But John Lennon. Lennon loved

00:20:06.250 --> 00:20:09.349
it. Lennon publicly defended him. He famously

00:20:09.349 --> 00:20:12.069
said Spector took the shittiest load of badly

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recorded shit and made it into something listenable.

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And this act aligned Spector firmly with the

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Lennon and Harrison camp in the post -Beatle

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Civil War. Which leads directly to his work on

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George Harrison's solo masterpiece, All Things

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Must Pass. My sweet lord. That is pure, unadulterated

00:20:27.789 --> 00:20:30.089
wall of sound. It's lush, it's spiritual, it's

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absolute massive. And he produces linen solo

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stuff. Like, imagine. But while the music was

00:20:34.869 --> 00:20:37.029
still succeeding, Spector's personal behavior

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in the studio was deteriorating. The alcohol

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consumption was just skyrocketing and the guns

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started to come out. This is the era of the gun.

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It stops being a quirky rumor and starts being

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a daily occupational hazard for anyone working

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with him. There's the famous story from the sessions

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for John Lennon's rock and roll album in 1973.

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The sessions were already chaotic, fueled by

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drugs and alcohol. Spector shows up one day dressed

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as a surgeon, another day as a karate master.

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He's drinking brandy constantly. And then he

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pulls out a handgun. and he fires it into the

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ceiling of the control room right next to john

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lennon's head And Lennon, in his typical dry

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way, apparently yelled, Phil, if you're going

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to kill me, kill me. But don't fuck with my ears.

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I need those. It's a great line, but think about

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the reality of that situation. The producer is

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firing a live weapon in a soundproof room. This

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isn't just eccentricity anymore. This is a full

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-blown mental health crisis playing out in public.

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And then, as if that's not enough, he steals

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the master tapes from the session. He literally

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holds them hostage until Capitol Records pays

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him a hefty ransom for their return. It's a complete

00:21:44.109 --> 00:21:46.410
breakdown of all professional norms. But then

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in 1974, the breakdown becomes brutally physical.

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The car crash. Yeah. In Hollywood, he has a terrible

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accident. He's not wearing a seatbelt and he's

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thrown through the windshield of his car. The

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injuries are horrific. Something like 300 stitches

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in his face, 400 in the back of his head. And

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the source material really suggests that this

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is the moment the Phil Spector character takes

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over completely. The mask becomes the face. The

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head injuries were extremely serious. And to

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cover the scars, he starts wearing these wigs,

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these massive, bizarre, outlandish wigs. But

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they become more than a covering. They become

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part of the armor. He's hiding behind the hair,

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hiding behind the dark glasses, hiding behind

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the walls of his mansion. And the music starts

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to suffer for it. He tries to launch a new label,

00:22:31.849 --> 00:22:34.160
Warner Spector, but it goes nowhere. He produces

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an album for Leonard Cohen, Death of a Lady's

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Man. And he essentially holds Cohen hostage during

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the process. He locks him out of the mixing sessions.

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Cohen couldn't even hear his own songs being

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mixed. Nope. Spector reportedly had armed bodyguards

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at the studio door to keep him out. Cohen later

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called the result grotesque, but also semi -virtuous.

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He was completely baffled by it. It's like he

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was trying to prove that he didn't need the artist

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at all anymore. The producer was the only one

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who mattered. Which leads to maybe the strangest

00:23:04.329 --> 00:23:07.089
pairing of all, the Ramones. End of the century,

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1979. Punk rock meets the wall of sound. It's

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oil and water. The Ramones were all about speed,

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efficiency, three chords, no frills. Spectre

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was the king of tedious, layered, obsessive perfectionism.

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And again, the guns came out. Dee Ramone claimed

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in his book that Spector pulled a gun on him

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when he tried to leave the mansion one night,

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pointed it right at his chest and said, you're

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not going anywhere. He allegedly forced Johnny

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Ramone to play the opening chord of Rock and

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Roll High School over and over and over again

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for eight straight hours until he got the exact

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sound he wanted. It's that same control impulse

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again. He's treating the Ramones like he treated

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the Wrecking Crew. But these are New York punk

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rockers. They don't take orders like that. The

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final album is... It's a fascinating lesson.

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And strangely enough, it became the Ramones'

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highest charting record. But the cost was high.

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It solidified Spector's reputation as a talented,

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dangerous man to work with. And after that, he

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basically disappears for almost 20 years. But

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while the recording studios were quiet, the house

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was not. And this is where we have to pivot to

00:24:12.970 --> 00:24:15.730
the victims of his control. because while he

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was waving guns at John Lennon and D .D. Ramone,

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he was doing much, much worse to the people he

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claimed to love. I have to talk about Ronnie.

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Ronnie Bennett, the voice of Be My Baby. They

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finally married in 1968. And her memoir, also

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called Be My Baby, it reads like a gothic horror

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novel. It's absolutely terrifying. He moved her

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into his 23 -room mansion in Beverly Hills and

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then systematically turned it into a prison.

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He had barbed wire fences installed. He had guard

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dogs patrolling the grounds. He confiscated her.

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shoes so she couldn't run outside he completely

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isolated her from her family from her friends

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he forbid her from performing and then there

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was the coffin the glass coffin he bought a gold

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coffin with a glass top and kept it in the basement

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and he told her explicitly if you ever try to

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leave me i will kill you and display your body

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in this coffin that's not a bad marriage that

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is a hostage situation she eventually escaped

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in 1972 She had to do it with the help of her

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mother. She literally broke out of the house

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barefoot and ran for her life. In the divorce

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settlement, this part is just heartbreaking.

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He threatened to hire a hitman to kill her unless

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she signed away all of her future record earnings.

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So she gave up millions of dollars just to get

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away from him alive. She had to buy her own freedom.

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And it wasn't just Ronnie. They adopted three

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children, Dante, Louie, and Gary. Years later,

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his adopted son Dante came forward with his own

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stories. He described being locked in his room

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for days at a time, being blindfolded. This objected

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to bizarre, ritualistic abuse. He called mansion

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a concentration camp. It paints this horrifying

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picture of a man who needed absolute dominion

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over every living thing in his orbit. If he couldn't

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control the public's taste in music anymore,

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he would control his wife and his children with

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absolute unimaginable terror. And he got away

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with it for decades. That's the thing that's

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so chilling. He was rich, he was famous, he was

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a genius. So people looked the other way. They

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just said, oh, that's just Phil being Phil. He

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called himself borderline insane in a deposition

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years later. He admitted he had devils inside

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him. But he was still walking free, still living

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in his bizarre mansion, the Pyrenees Castle up

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in Alhambra, a literal castle on a hill looking

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down on everyone else. Until the night of February

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3, 2003. The night the music and his freedom

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stopped for good. and the night lana clarkson's

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life ended lana clarkson was a 40 year old actress

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she'd had some success in the 80s she was the

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star of roger corman's cult film barbarian queen

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but by 2003 her career had stalled and she was

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working as a hostess at the house of blues in

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west hollywood specter comes in that night he's

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drinking he meets her and at the end of the night

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he persuades her to come back to the castle for

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one last drink a truly fateful decision they

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get to the castle and around 5 a .m A single

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gunshot rings out. The physical evidence is crucial

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here. Lana Clarkson was found dead, slumped in

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a chair in the foyer of the mansion. She had

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a single gunshot wound to the mouth. And Spector

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is there, of course. But the smoking gun almost

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literally was the key witness. Spector's driver,

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Adriano D'Souza. He was waiting outside in the

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limousine. And what did he see and hear? He testified

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that Spector came out the back door with a gun

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in his hand and said five words that would ultimately

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seal his fate. I think I killed somebody. I think

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I killed somebody. It is very, very hard to walk

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that statement back. But Spector tried. Or rather,

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his incredibly high -priced legal team tried.

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They immediately began spinning a story that

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Lana Clarkson was depressed about her career,

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that she was unstable, and that she had grabbed

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the gun and shot herself. An accidental suicide.

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Spector even gave an interview to Esquire magazine

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where he used the revolting phrase that she kissed

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the gun. It's the ultimate act of control, isn't

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it? Trying to rewrite the narrative of a woman's

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violent death to protect your own ego. The legal

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battle that followed was a total circus. The

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first trial in 2007 was televised. It was a spectacle.

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Spectre would show up in court every day wearing

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a different, more outlandish wig, a huge afro

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one day, a Beatles -style mop top the next. It

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felt like sick performance art. And it almost

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worked. That first trial resulted in a mistrial.

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The jury was hung 10 to 2 in favor of conviction,

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but they couldn't get a unanimous verdict. He

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came that close to walking free. He almost did.

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But the state decided to try him again in 2008.

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This time, there were no cameras in the courtroom.

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It was just about the facts. And the prosecution

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brought in a string of other women who testified

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that Phil Spector had a clear pattern of behavior,

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pulling guns on them when they tried to leave

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his home. And that pattern was just too much

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for the second jury to ignore the verdict. Guilty.

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Second -degree murder, plus a charge for using

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a firearm in the commission of a crime. He was

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sentenced to 19 years to life in prison. So the

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man who built the legendary Wall of Sound ends

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his life behind four walls of concrete. He was

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sent to the California Healthcare Facility, which

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is a prison for inmates with long -term medical

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needs. And the decline was rapid and shocking.

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You look at the mugshots from 2013 -2014. He's

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completely unrecognizable. The wigs are gone.

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He's bald, frail. And he just looks terrified.

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And the final irony of his life is just, it's

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so heavy. The man who gave the world the loudest,

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most dense, most powerful voice in pop music

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lost his own voice. Laryngeal papillomatosis.

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It's a disease that causes tumors to grow on

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the larynx. He lost the ability to speak in 2014.

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He spent the last six or seven years of his life

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in complete silence. And then the final blow,

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the pandemic. In December of 2020, he contracted

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COVID -19. He died from complications of the

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disease on January 16, 2021. He was 81 years

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old. Dying in a prison hospital alone, in silence,

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there's no grandeur to it. It's a pathetic, miserable

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end. Which brings us to the hard job, the job

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we promised to do at the start of this. We have

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to look at the legacy. Because you can't tell

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the story of rock and roll without Phil Spector,

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but you also can't tell the story of Phil Spector

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without the murder of Lana Clarkson. It is the

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ultimate dilemma. Musically, his impact is, it's

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just incalculable. He didn't just produce songs.

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He redefined what a producer was. Before him,

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producers were mostly documentarians. Their job

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was just to capture the sound of the band playing.

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Spector made the producer the star, the artist,

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the auteur. The band was just paint. He was the

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painter. Exactly. Without Phil Spector, you don't

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get Brian Wilson getting obsessed and making

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pet sounds. You probably don't get Bruce Springsteen

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making Born to Run with its own version of a

00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.460
wall of sound. You don't get the whole shoegaze

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genre bands like My Bloody Valentine or the Jesus

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and Mary Chain who took that idea of a dense

00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.279
wall of noise and ran with it. His influence

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is everywhere. He's in the Rock and Roll Hall

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of Fame, the Songwriters Hall of Fame, a Grammy

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Trustees Award winner. He is. But when he died,

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the reaction from the world was, understandably,

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very complicated. Ronnie Spector, his ex -wife,

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released a statement that I think really sums

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it up perfectly. She said he was a brilliant

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producer, but a lousy husband. That might be

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the understatement of the century. And his biographer,

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Mick Brown, who wrote this definitive book about

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him, said we have to acknowledge the musical

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genius and the scaly night -crawling pod as one

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and the same. You can't separate them because

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they grew from the exact same soil. And that's

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the thought I really want to leave our listeners

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with today. We spent a lot of time talking about

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the wall of sound. It was dense. It was impenetrable.

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It was totally controlling. Every single sonic

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frequency was filled so that no silence, no outside

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air could get in. It was a fortress of sound.

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All a fortress. Phil Spector treated the recording

00:31:50.660 --> 00:31:53.440
studio as an instrument to control every single

00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.059
detail of his environment. And you have to wonder,

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was that wall really just a musical triumph?

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Or was it a psychological fortress that he was

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building to keep the world and maybe his own

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demons out? And ultimately, did that same obsessive

00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.279
need for absolute control, that wall he built

00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:11.759
around himself, is that what turned into the

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very prison that he eventually died in? A prison

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of sound that became a prison of concrete. It's

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a profound and horrifying tragedy of his own

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making.
