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You know, there's a specific kind of fear that

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comes from the unknown, the monster under the

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bed, the shadow in the alley, the thing that

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jumps out at you from the dark. But looking at

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this absolute mountain of documents we have on

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the desk today, the psych reports, the trial

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transcripts, the witness statements, I think

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there's a much deeper, more unsettling fear we

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need to talk about. It's the fear of the known,

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isn't it? Exactly. It's the fear of the monster

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who isn't hiding under the bed, but the one standing

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in the living room. The one who waves to you

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in the hallway. Yes, holding a bag of groceries.

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The one who is polite. We are talking, of course,

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about Jeffrey Dahmer. The Milwaukee cannibal.

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The Milwaukee monster. And you're right. The

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terror here isn't just the gore. And believe

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me, there is plenty of that. It's the dissonance.

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It is. If you look at the FBI profiler notes

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or, you know, the interviews with his neighbors

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that we've pulled, nobody described a raving

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lunatic. They described a man who was quiet.

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A man who was normal. Until he wasn't. And that

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is exactly our mission today. We are not just

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recounting the crimes. I think everyone has seen

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the headlines of the Netflix series. We are taking

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this stack of source material to answer a different

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question. How does that transition happen? How

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do you go from a shy boy collecting animal bones

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in the woods to a man building a literal altar

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of human skulls in a downtown apartment? We're

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looking for the progression. And to do that,

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we have to look at the failures, not just his

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internal psychological failures, but the external

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ones, the family, the school system, the army,

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and maybe most importantly, the police. Oh, absolutely.

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Because when you read these transcripts, specifically

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the police logs from 1991, you realize Dahmer

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didn't just slip through the cracks. The cracks

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were canyons, and he was practically waved through

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the gates. Before we open the first file, we

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do need to be very clear with you listening right

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now. The source material we are covering today

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involves extreme sexual violence, dismemberment,

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and cannibalism. It is graphic. It is. We are

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going to treat this with the analytical distance

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it requires, but the facts themselves are brutal.

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If you are not in the headspace for that, this

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is your warning. It is heavy, but it's necessary

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context if we really want to move beyond the

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sensation and understand the pathology. Okay,

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let's start where the psychiatrists started during

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the trial. The origin story. Nature versus nurture.

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Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer, born May 21, 1960, in

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Milwaukee. Yeah. You look at the early reports,

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and honestly, it seems confusing. Was he neglected?

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Was he loved? the sources seem to argue with

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each other they do and that contradiction is

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actually the first key insight we have reports

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from neighbors saying he was a beautiful energetic

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child but then we have later accounts specifically

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from his father lionel describing a household

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that was just thick with tension right his mother

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joyce is described in these psychiatric evaluations

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as a hypochondriac someone and this is a quote

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greedy for pity greedy for pity that is a very

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specific very loaded phrase it paints a picture

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of a woman who needed constant emotional validation.

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It suggests a home environment where emotional

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energy was a finite resource and the mother was

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consuming most of it. Lionel was a chemistry

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student studying at Marquette. Often gone. So

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he wasn't really present. Not consistently. So

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you have a young Jeffrey Dahmer in a house that

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feels unstable. He later told psychologists,

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and this is in the Prinke and Burgess reports,

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that he felt unsure of the solidity of the family.

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Wow. That is a profound thing for a child to

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sense, that the ground beneath them isn't solid.

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But plenty of kids grow up in tense households

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and don't become serial killers. Yeah. There's

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a specific medical event in the timeline that

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keeps coming up as a turning point. Yeah. He

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was four years old. Just before his fourth birthday,

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a double hernia surgery. Now, we have to contextualize

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this. In 1964, pediatric anesthesia and pain

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management, well, they weren't what they are

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today. Not at all. But it's not just the physical

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pain. It's the psychological impact. Before the

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surgery, teachers and parents say he was happy,

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energetic. After. It's like a switch flipped.

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How so? What was the change? What do the reports

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say? He became timid, subdued. One of his teachers

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actually wrote a note, we have it here in the

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school records, mentioning signs of neglect or

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abandonment. So he felt abandoned by being left

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at the hospital. Exactly. He felt that by being

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left there, even if it was for his own good,

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he had been discarded. And when he came back,

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he didn't trust the world anymore. It's interesting

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you use the word discarded because... That theme

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of abandonment seems to drive everything that

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comes later, that fear of people leaving him.

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Precisely. And what does a four -year -old do

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when he feels the living world is unreliable,

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when people leave? He turns to things that can't

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leave, things that are static. Which brings us

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to the fiddlesticks. When I read this in the

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notes, the hair on the back of my neck stood

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up. It's such an innocent -sounding word for

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something so morbid. It is. And it shows that

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his pathology was sensory from the very beginning.

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He's four years old, playing under the porch,

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and he sees his father pulling out these old

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animal bones that had accumulated there, probably

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from civet cats or raccoons. Most kids would

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be grossed out. Jeffrey was thrilled. But not

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just by seeing them, right? It wasn't visual

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for him. No, it was auditory. It was the sound.

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He took these bones and rattled them in a bucket.

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He loved the clatter. He called them his fiddle

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sticks. He told a therapist years later that

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the sound gave him a feeling of power and solidity.

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I see. Living things are unpredictable. They

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are soft. They leave. Bones are hard. They are

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permanent. They make a sound you can control.

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That is a fascinating psychological distinction.

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So he wasn't attracted to the violence at that

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age. He was attracted to the permanence. Exactly.

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And this obsession, it escalates. He's not just

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finding bones anymore. He's looking for them.

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He's exploring roadkill. He wanted to see, in

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his own words, how they fit together. So it was

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a curiosity about the mechanics of it all. It

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was. This is a crucial distinction we need to

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make. He wasn't a sadist at this age. He wasn't

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torturing animals for pain. He wasn't the kid

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pulling wings off flies. No. He was a necrophile

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in the making. He was interested in the objectification.

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of the body, the mechanics of it. He wanted to

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know how the machine worked once the life was

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gone. There's a story here involving a dinner

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table conversation that I think perfectly illustrates

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the tragedy of his upbringing. The chicken bone

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incident. It reads like a dark comedy sketch,

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but it's real life. It really does. You have

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Lionel, the father, who is a chemist. He loves

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science. He's been distant, you know, studying

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for his PhD, and he wants to connect with his

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strange, quiet son. A chance to bond. He sees

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an opening. So Jeffrey comes up to him one night

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after dinner and asks, Dad, what would happen

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if I put these chicken bones in bleach? Then

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Lionel lights up. Exactly. He thinks, my God,

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finally, the boy is showing an interest in science.

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He's curious. So Lionel takes him to the garage.

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He teaches him the proper chemical mixtures.

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He shows him how to bleach bones to preserve

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them. He thinks he's raising a biologist. And

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Jeffrey is learning taxidermy for his future

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trophies. It's just a heartbreaking disconnect.

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The father is teaching methodology. The son is

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feeding a pathology. Wow. And Jeffrey started

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collecting roadkill, bleaching the bones. And

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this is where it gets ritualistic. He started

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mounting. skulls on makeshift crosses in the

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woods behind their house. That's moving beyond

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curiosity. That is worship, or at least creating

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a sanctuary. It was his world. He had no friends.

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The family was shouting at each other inside

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the house. So he went into the woods, surrounded

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himself with death that he had cleaned and controlled,

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and he felt safe. Let's jump forward to adolescence.

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The family moved to Ohio Bath Township. Jeffrey

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is in high school. Now, usually this is where

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the loner narrative kicks in. But Dahmer wasn't

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invisible, was he? He actually made a spectacle

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of himself. This is the mask we talked about.

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By high school, he realized he was different.

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He was realizing he was gay, which in rural Ohio

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in the 1970s was a source of massive internal

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shame. A huge secret to carry. A huge secret.

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And he knew he had these dark thoughts. So he

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created a character, the class clown. The source

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material calls it doing a Dahmer. Right. It was

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a performance. He would go into the hallways

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or the cafeteria and fake epileptic seizures.

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He would comport his body, make groaning noises,

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pretend to have cerebral palsy. And people laughed.

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They laughed, but it was that uncomfortable,

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nervous laughter. You know, he was the court

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jester. He would do it at the local mall. He

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would do it in class. It was a way to get attention,

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but it was also a barrier. How so? If everyone

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is looking at the clown, nobody is looking at

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the person underneath. Nobody asks the clown,

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hey, are you okay? There is one anecdote from

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a school trip to Washington, D .C. in 1977 that

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honestly blew my mind. It suggests a level of

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confidence or maybe sociopathy that doesn't fit

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the shy boy profile at all. The vice president

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prank. It is legendary in the source material.

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He's on a class trip. He bets his classmates

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that he can get a private tour of the White House.

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He finds a phone, calls up the vice president's

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office, Walter Mondale at the time. Walter Mondale,

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right? And he claims to be a journalist or a

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student representative. He talks his way past

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the secretaries with pure confidence. And it

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worked. He got the tour. He walked out and showed

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his classmates the souvenirs. It proves that

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he had a chameleon -like ability. He could mimic

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authority. He could mimic charm. He could look

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you in the eye and lie so convincingly that you

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would open the door for him. And that skill becomes

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deadly later on. Absolutely deadly, especially

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when he's dealing with the police. While he's

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pulling these pranks, he's chemically unraveling.

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The drinking started early. Very early. age 14,

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and we aren't talking about sneaking a beer at

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a party. We're talking about hiding liquor in

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his jacket lining during school hours, drinking

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scotch in first period. In school. In school.

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He told a classmate once when he was caught sipping

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from a flask in history class, it's my medicine.

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Medicine. That implies he knew he was sick. He

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knew something was wrong. He was anesthetizing

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himself. He was trying to drown the fantasies

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because the fantasies were shifting. It wasn't

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just about attraction anymore. He was fantasizing

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about a partner who was unconscious, a partner

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who couldn't speak. He started fantasizing about

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dissection. And this brings us to the first time

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he tried to make the fantasy real. The jogger.

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This is a sliding doors moment. A real fork in

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the road. It is. He fixated on a male jogger

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who ran past his house every day. He found him

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attractive. But Dahmer didn't want to ask him

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on a date. He took a baseball bat and hit him

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in the bushes. Oh, wow. He waited for hours.

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His plan was to knock the man unconscious and

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drag him into the woods. But the jogger never

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came. Not that day. He changed his route or took

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a day off, and Dahmer went back inside. But the

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intent was locked in. The psychological barrier

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had been crossed. He was ready to hunt. He just

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needed a target. And then the environment collapses.

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1978, the year he graduates, the year his parents

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divorced. It was a nuclear divorce. It was bitter.

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It was loud. Lionel moved out to a motel. Joyce,

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the mother, won custody of the younger brother,

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David, and moved back to Wisconsin. And in the

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chaos, they essentially forgot about Jeffrey.

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They just left him. He had just turned 18. So

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legally, he was an adult. But functionally, he

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was a spiraling alcoholic with untreated psychosis.

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And they left him alone in a big house in the

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middle of the woods with a stocked liquor cabinet

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and no supervision. It's a powder keg. And the

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fees lit just three weeks after graduation. June

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18th, 1978. Stephen Hicks. Stephen Hicks was

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a tragedy of... Wrong place, wrong time. He was

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18, just like Dahmer. He was hitchhiking to a

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rock concert. Now, you have to remember, in 1978,

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hitchhiking was common. Yeah, people did that.

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Dahmer pulls over. Now, at this point, Evian

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suggests Dahmer doesn't have a plan to kill him.

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He just sees a guy he's attracted to. He wants

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company. He invites him back to the house for

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a beer. And Hicks goes, why wouldn't he? It's

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a pier. A guy his age. A nice house. They hang

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out. They drink. They listen to music. But eventually,

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Hicks wants to leave. He has a concert to get

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to. And this is the trigger we talked about earlier.

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Abandonment. He didn't want him to leave. That's

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what he said. He wanted to leave and I didn't

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want him to leave. That is the core of it. Total

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control. If Hicks leaves, Dahmer is alone again.

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And that's when he attacks. Dahmer picks up a

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10 -pound dumbbell and strikes Hicks from behind.

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He strangles him. And then the transition is

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complete. The boy who collected roadkill takes

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over. The disposal of Stephen Hicks is horrifyingly

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efficient for a first -time killer. I mean, most

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18 -year -olds can't even clean their room, let

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alone dispose of a body completely. It's because

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he had practiced. He dissected the body. He buried

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the remains in the backyard. Later, he dug them

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up, crushed the bones with a sledgehammer, and

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scattered them in the ravine. With a sledgehammer.

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He dissolved the flesh with acid. He used the

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techniques his father taught him combined with

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the anatomy he learned on the animals. It was

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clinical. Now, usually in these stories, once

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the killer breaks the seal, they can't stop.

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The floodgates open. But Dahmer stops. There

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is a massive gap in the timeline here. Nine years.

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Why? It's what criminologists call failed normalcy.

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The murder of Hicks scared him. It really did.

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He didn't want to be a monster. He wanted to

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be normal. So he tried to do what normal young

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men do. He went to college. Ohio State University.

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How did that go? Disaster. Total disaster. His

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GPA was .45. He was drunk all the time. He failed

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every single class except riflery. Riflery. Riflery.

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So his father, trying to discipline him, says,

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join the army. And the army took him, even with

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that record. They did. And ironically, they trained

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him as a medical specialist. So now the government

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is formally training him in anatomy. He served

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in West Germany. And this period is... It's debated.

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Officially, he was discharged for alcohol abuse.

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His drinking was legendary, even by Army standards.

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But there were rumors. There were rumors, and

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later some unproven allegations that there were

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unsolved murders in his vicinity in Germany.

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But nothing ever stuck. Nothing ever stuck. So

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he's discharged. Discharged and sent home. A

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failure in college, a failure in the Army. He

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ends up in West Allis, Wisconsin, living with

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his grandmother. Catherine Dahmer. By all accounts,

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a sweet, religious woman. She's the only person

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Dahmer ever seemed to genuinely love. She took

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him to church. He tried to be a good grandson.

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He got a job at a blood bank. Then a chocolate

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factory, ambrosia chocolate. At the basement.

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The basement became his new woods. He started

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drinking again. And the fantasies came back darker.

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He stole a male mannequin from a department store.

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A mannequin? Think about the psychology of that.

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He brought it home and kept it in the closet.

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He wanted something that looked human but had

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no will, no voice, no ability to leave. The perfect

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compliant partner. The perfect partner. Grandma

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found it. She was terrified. She made him throw

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it out. But that didn't stop the urge. He started

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going to gay bathhouses in Milwaukee. And this

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is where he starts refining the method, the drugging.

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Yes. He realized he didn't have the social skills

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to keep people and he didn't want to negotiate

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with them. So he started crushing sleeping pills,

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Hellshawn, into drinks. He called it zombification,

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though at this stage it was just rendering them

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unconscious so he could use their bodies without

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them resisting. He's turning them into objects.

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Exactly. He said in his confession, I trained

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myself to view people as objects of pleasure.

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And in 1987, the dam breaks. Stephen told me.

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This is the blackout murder. Yes. Dahmer meets

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Tuomi at a bar. They go to a hotel. Dahmer had

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the drug drink ready, but he claims he drank

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too much himself. He says he blacked out and

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woke up the next morning and Tuomi was dead.

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His chest was crushed in. Did he intend to kill

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him? Dahmer claimed no. He claimed it was an

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accident of rough sex or a drunken rage he couldn't

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remember. But here is where the monster in the

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living room comes in. He didn't call the police.

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He bought a large suitcase. He folded Tuomi's

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body into it, took a taxi back to his grandmother's

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house, and dragged it into the basement. While

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his grandmother was upstairs making tea. Living

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her life. This is the horror of the West Allis

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years. He killed three men in that house. James

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Doxtater. Richard Guerrero. He was dismembering

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them in the basement sink, boiling the bones

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on his grandmother's stove, telling her it was

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taxidermy chemicals or work stuff from the chocolate

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factory. The deception is just... Staggering.

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And there was one moment where the two worlds

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collided. Ronald Flowers. This story gives me

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chills every time. This is one of the most chilling

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what -ifs. It is. He brought Ronald Flowers home.

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He drugged him. Flowers was groggy, basically

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helpless. But then Grandma Catherine comes down

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the stairs. She sees the man. She says, is that

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you, Jeff? She starts fussing over the guest.

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Ah, he doesn't look... Well, let me make him

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some coffee. She inadvertently intervened in

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a murder. She broke the spell. She stayed with

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them. Dahmer couldn't kill him with her watching.

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He let Flowers go. Flowers woke up later in a

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hospital groggy with no memory of how he got

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there. He actually reported it to the police,

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but without evidence. No physical injury, just

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a blackout. Nothing happened. It's amazing how

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many times he was almost caught. In 1988, he

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was caught. For molesting a child. The older

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brother of a future victim, tragically. This

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should have been the end of it. The system had

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him. He was convicted. But the judge, Judge William

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Gardner, gave him work release. Work release

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for a sex offense involving a minor. The judge

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felt Dummer was productive because he had a steady

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job at the chocolate factory. So he slept in

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jail at night, but during the day he was free,

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he could walk around, and once he was out on

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probation, he moved into the apartment. The Oxford

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Apartments. Apartment 213. May 1990. He moves

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in and he brings a box with him. Inside the box

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is the mummified head of one of his victims,

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Anthony Sears. He puts it in his new closet.

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He is now completely independent. No parents,

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no grandma. No rules. Let's describe this place

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because it becomes a character in the story.

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It wasn't a dungeon. It was a regular apartment

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building. It was a low -income housing unit in

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a predominantly African -American neighborhood.

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Dahmer was one of the few white tenants. The

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neighbors describe it as smelling terrible almost

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immediately. The smell of death. And chemicals,

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bleach, incense. He always had an excuse. My

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freezer broke and the meat spoiled. My tropical

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fish died. I'm doing varnish work. And because

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he was polite and because people generally don't

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want to confront their neighbors, especially

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a quiet, weird neighbor, they let it slide. And

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in 1991, the slide turns into an avalanche, a

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murder factory. It was a spree. He was killing

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almost weekly. He would go to a bar, lure a man

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back, drug him, strangle him, dismember him.

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He targeted ethnic minority men almost exclusively.

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Now Dahmer always claimed he wasn't racist. He

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did. He said he was just attracted to a specific

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body type. But we have to look at the results.

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A white man preying on black, Asian and Latino

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men in a marginalized community. It creates a

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dynamic where the police were less likely to

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investigate missing persons reports aggressively.

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Absolutely. It is the less dead phenomenon. It's

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a sociological term. Society cares less about

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certain victims. Cess workers, minorities, gay

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men in the height of the AIDS epidemic. Dahmer

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was swimming in a pool of victims that the system

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was already ignoring. He knew nobody was coming

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for them. And his methods. They weren't just

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killing anymore. He was experimenting. The drilling.

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I struggle to even say the words because the

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cruelty is so specific. This is where we see

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the depth of his loneliness and his madness.

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He didn't just want a dead body. A dead body

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rots. It can't hug you back. He wanted a living

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zombie. A living zombie. He drilled holes into

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the skulls of living victims, Errol, Lindsay,

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Conor X, and the Sumphone, and injected hydrochloric

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acid or boiling water directly into the frontal

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lobes of their brains. He was trying to lobotomize

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them. He wanted to white their will. He wanted

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to keep the motor functions, the breathing, the

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movement, but remove the person. He wanted a

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companion who would sit there, never leave, never

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judge, and never speak. It never worked. No.

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It killed them, usually slowly and painfully.

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And then he would consume them. He ate hearts,

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livers, biceps. He told the psychologist he wanted

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to make them a permanent part of me. So if he

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ate them, they couldn't leave him. It's a desperate,

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twisted attempt at connection. This leads us

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to the single most infuriating, heartbreaking

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moment in this entire case. The moment the system

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didn't just fail, but actively participated.

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May 27, 1991. This is the moment that haunts

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Milwaukee. It is the moment where the mask worked

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too well. Domerick goes out to buy beer. Conorac,

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who is only 14 years old, has been drugged and

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drilled. But he wakes up. He manages to stumble

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out of the apartment. He does. He's naked, bleeding

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from the head, unable to speak clearly. He collapses

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in the street. Two women, neighbors, find him.

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Sandra Smith and Nicole Childress. They are heroes.

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They call 911. They say, there is a child here.

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He is hurt. He is naked. The police arrive. Officers

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Belshazzar and Gabrish. And then Dahmer comes

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back. And he puts on the mask. He walks up, calm,

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cool, collected. He tells the officers, oh, I'm

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sorry. This is my friend. He's 19. He's just

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really drunk. We had a lover's spat. He's 14.

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He's bleeding. And the women are screaming this.

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The women are pointing out that the boy is bleeding

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from his rectum. They are shouting, he is a child.

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And the police. They ignore the black women.

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They listen to the polite white man. I can't

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believe it. They actually threatened to arrest

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the women for interfering with police business.

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And they take the boy back inside. They physically

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escorted Conorac's synthesis phone back into

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apartment 213. They walked him into the slaughterhouse.

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They stood in the living room. They even commented

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on the smell. Dahmer said, broken freezer. They

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bought it. They left the boy there and walked

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out. It makes you sick to hear it. to know that

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the officers were standing feet away from a decomposing

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body in the next room and they handed a living

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victim back to his killer. It gets worse. We

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have the transcripts of the police radio banter

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after they left. They were joking. They were

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laughing about delousing themselves because they

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had to touch the intoxicated Asian. They were

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joking about it. They made homophobic jokes about

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the lovers. It was racism and homophobia, clear

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as day. And because of that prejudice, Conorac

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died. Dahmer killed him minutes after the police

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left. And he went on to kill four more people

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after that. Four people who would be alive if

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those officers had done their job. Exactly. That

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was May. He wasn't caught until July. That's

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two more months of terror because of that failure.

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So how does it finally end? July 22, 1991. Tracy

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Edwards. Tracy Edwards was a survivor. He met

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Dahmer at a bar, went back to the apartment for

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money to take photos. Dahmer managed to handcuff

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one of his wrists, but Edwards got a bad vibe

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immediately. The smell. The smell hit him. He

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saw the boxes of acid, the blue drum in the corner.

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And Dahmer pulls a knife. He puts the knife to

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Edwards' chest. He's acting erratic. He's chanting.

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He puts on the movie The Exorcist III. He tells

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Edwards, I'm going to eat your heart. How did

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Edwards keep it together? He played the game.

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He saw that Dahmer needed reassurance. So Edwards

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said, it's okay, Jeff. We're friends. I'm not

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going anywhere. He kept him calm. He waited.

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And the moment Dahmer looked away, Edwards punched

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him in the face and ran. He got out. He flagged

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down a patrol car, officers Roth and Mueller.

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And this time, the officers didn't just walk

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away. Edwards led them back. They went up to

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the apartment to get the key for the handcuffs.

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Officer Mueller is standing in the bedroom. He

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looks under the bed and sees a knife. Then he

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sees an open dresser drawer. The Polaroids. Dozens

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of them. Dahmer documented everything. dismembered

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bodies, posed corpses, steps of the process.

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Mueller looks at them, walks into the living

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room, shows his partner one of the photos and

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says, these are for real. And the struggle begins.

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They tackle Dahmer, they pin him down, and then

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they start to open things. They open the refrigerator.

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A severed head on the bottom shelf. It was a

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house of horrors. Four severed heads in the kitchen,

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seven skulls in the bedroom, hearts in the fridge,

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a torso in the freezer, and that blue drum in

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the corner. It was filled with acid and three

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decomposing torsos. The medical examiner later

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said it was more like dismantling a museum than

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a crime scene. And that's a perfect segue to

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the shrine, because Dahmer confessed that he

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was building something specific. He had plans

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drawn up. We have the sketches here in the file.

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Describe it for us. What was he building? A black

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table adorned with skulls. Incense burners. He

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planned to paint the entire skeletons of two

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victims and place them on either side as sentinels.

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He had a special blue lamp. He's going to hang

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over it to create a mood. What was it for? What's

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the purpose? Meditation. He told police he wanted

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to sit in a black chair in front of it and draw

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power from them. He felt that if he was surrounded

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by their remains, he wasn't alone. He was the

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king of a silent kingdom. That is horrifying.

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He said if he had been arrested six months later,

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it would have been finished. It goes back to

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that idea of ownership. He was creating a world

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where he was the god, surrounded by his subjects.

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Precisely. So, the trial. 1992. The evidence

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is overwhelming. He confesses to everything.

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So the question isn't, did he do it? It's, is

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he sane? Guilty but insane. That was the plea.

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The defense had to prove that he had a mental

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disease that made him unable to control his actions.

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They brought in experts to testify about necrophilia,

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borderline personality disorder, schizotypal

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personality disorder. They painted him as a sick

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man, a passenger in his own body. But the prosecution,

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led by Dr. Park Deeds, had a devastating counter

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-argument, and it centered on the alcohol. This

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is the brilliance of the prosecution Dietz argued.

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If Dahmer was truly compelled by an unstoppable

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urge, why did he need to get drunk to do it?

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The evidence showed Dahmer would drink heavily

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before a murder. Liquid courage. Exactly. Dietz

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argued this was liquid courage. He was drinking

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to suppress his conscience. If he had to suppress

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his conscience, that means he had a conscience.

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And if he had a conscience, he knew it was wrong.

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That's a compelling point. He was choosing to

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kill. He was choosing to overcome his inhibition.

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That implies choice. The jury agreed. They found

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him sane. 15 life sentences. No death penalty

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in Wisconsin. He goes to prison. Columbia Correctional

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Institution. He was kept in solitary at first.

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But interestingly, he adjusted. He received fan

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mail. Money. And he had a religious conversion.

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A genuine one. It seems so. He met with a minister

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weekly. He is baptized in the prison whirlpool.

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He started questioning whether it was a sin for

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him to keep living. He seemed to be seeking an

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exit. And on November 28, 1994, he found it.

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Or it found him. He was on cleaning duty in the

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gym. The guards left him unsupervised for 20

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minutes. Just 20 minutes. He was with two other

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inmates, Jesse Anderson and Christopher Scarver.

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Scarver. Christopher Scarver was suffering from

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severe schizophrenia. He believed he was the

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son of God. He had a newspaper clipping of Dahmer's

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crimes in his pocket. He confronted Dahmer. He

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asked him, did you really do these things? Did

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Dahmer fight back? No. He didn't even yell for

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the guards. Scarver took a 20 -inch metal bar

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from the weight room. He bludgeoned Dahmer to

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death. Reports say Dahmer just accepted it. He

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effectively committed suicide by inmate. And

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his mother's reaction. Joyce Dahmer, it breaks

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your heart in a different way. She said, now

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is everybody happy. It was the bitter end to

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a bitter story. The victim's families finally

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had closure, in a sense. The monster was dead.

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The aftermath is just as messy. The building

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was demolished. The lot is still empty today.

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The victim's family sued. There was a horrible

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moment where they almost auctioned off Dahmer's

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possessions, his tools, his fridge, to pay the

00:27:54.410 --> 00:27:56.750
families. A market for murderabilia. Exactly.

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But a civic group raised money to buy the lot

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and destroy the items so they wouldn't end up

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on some collector's shelf. And even his brain

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was a point of contention. His mom wanted it

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studied by scientists to see if there was a biological

00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:10.720
cause for his evil. His dad wanted it cremated

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to put it all to rest. The judge sided with the

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father. It was cremated. So what does this all

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mean? We've walked through the timeline. We've

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seen the escalation, the fiddlesticks, the mask,

00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:23.339
the failures of the police. What is the takeaway?

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When you close that file, what stays with you?

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It's the invisibility. We like to think monsters

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look like monsters. We want them to have horns.

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We want them to be drooling maniacs. But Dahmer

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was the guy who helped jumpstart your car. He

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was the guy who politely explained to the police

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that his friend was drunk. He used our social

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contracts against us. He used our politeness

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against us. Exactly. The police officers at the

00:28:49.029 --> 00:28:51.130
Synthesum phone scene didn't want to be rude

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to the nice white man. That desire to be polite,

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to not pry, to respect privacy, that is where

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he hid. He hid in the blind spots of our civility.

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It makes you wonder, who are we standing next

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to in the elevator? And how much do we miss because

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we are afraid to ask the awkward question? And

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are we listening to the vulnerable people screaming

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for help or are we listening to the calm voice

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telling us everything is fine? That is a thought

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that will keep me up tonight. Thank you for walking

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us through this darkness today. Stay safe. We'll

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see you in the next Deep Dive.
