Welcome back to the Deep Dive. It is Saturday,
January 24th, 2026. Hello. Today, we are staring
into a void that is, I think it's fair to say,
both incredibly glamorous and just undeniably
dark. Oh, absolutely. We're going to be dissecting
the life of a figure who has been a tabloid fixture
for decades, but whose story has taken some truly
bizarre, tragic, and... politically charged turns
in just the last 12 months. It really has. I
mean, it's a story that feels like it belongs
in Victorian fiction. You know, a fallen heiress,
a mysterious death at sea, a web of high society
secrets. Right. But it's happening right now
in real time within the federal prison system
of the United States. It's just wild. We are
talking, of course, about Ghislaine Maxwell.
Now, I think for most listeners, the image they
have of her is probably frozen in time. Yeah,
I think that's right. Maybe it's that courtroom
sketch from 2021 where she's drawn in a notebook.
Or maybe it's that infamous photo of her smiling
next to a prince or a president. But we're looking
at the entire arc today, because if you think
the story ended with the gavel coming down in
2021, you are missing the most complex chapter.
You're missing the whole third act. Absolutely.
We have a stack of sources today that includes
not just the old biographical data, but Bureau
of Prisons records, congressional subpoenas from
late 2025. And some very, very troubling reports
regarding the death of a key figure in this saga
just last year. Yes. That's a huge part of this.
And that is our mission today. We aren't just
rehashing the trial. We're going to trace the
line from a 53 -room mansion in Oxford, where
she was the favorite daughter of a media tycoon,
all the way to her current reality as inmate.
02879509. It's quite a trajectory. We need to
unpack the chaotic events of 2025, the prison
transfers that made no sense, the whistleblower
allegations of special treatment, and the political
firestorm that just... It just won't die down.
And the central question we're trying to answer
is this. How does a woman who was trained to
be the ultimate socialite, the ultimate hostess,
become what a federal judge called instrumental
in a sex trafficking ring? And perhaps more importantly
for where we are today in 2026, is she actually
serving her time? Or is she still in some way
managing the system from the inside? That's the
chilling part, isn't it? That's the real question.
So buckle up. We are going deep. Let's do it.
To understand the end, we have to understand
the beginning. We had to go back to France. Christmas
Day, 1961. Ghislaine Noël Marion Maxwell was
born. A Christmas baby. The youngest of nine
children. And you have to pause on that family
dynamic immediately. Oh, yeah. Her mother, Elizabeth
Maxwell, was a French born scholar, a brilliant
woman who, you know, eventually became a Holocaust
researcher. Her father was Robert Maxwell, the
Czechoslovak born British media proprietor. Larger
than life figure. Exactly. This wasn't just a
big family. It was a massive, chaotic, high pressure
empire. And tragedy struck almost the moment
she arrived. Two days after Ghislaine was born,
her 15 -year -old brother Michael was in a catastrophic
car accident. Right. He went into a coma and
stayed in that state until he eventually died
in 1967. So Ghislaine's entire early childhood,
her formative years, were lived in the shadow
of this suspended grief. That must have just
permeated everything. Her mother actually wrote
later that this accident affected the entire
family deeply, which is, I mean, of course it
did. But there is a specific detail about Ghislaine
as a toddler that is really haunting. I saw this
in the source material and I had to double check
it because it seems so intense. It is. Her mother
surmised that Ghislaine showed signs of anorexia
while she was still just a toddler. yes three
years old psychologically that is incredibly
young to manifest control issues over food Usually
we see that in adolescence. Right. It's a teenage
thing, typically. For a toddler, it suggests
a child who feels a desperate need to control
the one thing they can, their own intake, in
an environment that perhaps felt chaotic or,
you know, emotionally unavailable due to the
family's grief over Michael. It sets a terrifying
precedent for a life defined by control and discipline.
It really does. She grew up in Hennington Hill
Hall in Oxford. And just to paint the picture
for you listening. This isn't just a nice house
in the suburbs. No, not at all. It's a 53 -room
mansion. It has its own gravity. It was also
the headquarters for Pergamon Press, her father's
publishing company. So the lines between home
and the empire were completely non -existent.
They were just blurred into one. Yeah, and Robert
Maxwell, he wasn't just a father. He was a titan,
a tyrant, and a very, very large personality.
He bullied his children. I read that he pitted
them against each other. Constantly. In what
you might call a corporate version of natural
selection, it was brutal. But Ghislaine, she
was different. She was the favorite. She was
the favorite. That's a dangerous place to be
with a narcissist, isn't it? Being the favorite
means you get the perks, but you also absorb
the bulk of the pressure. All of it. You have
to perform. You are the mirror reflecting their
greatness back at them. Precisely. She wasn't
just the pampered daughter. She was the aide
-de -camp. There's a fascinating detail from
a Tattler piece where she recalled that her father
installed Wang computers at the mansion in 1973.
In 73. That's really early. Super early. Now,
for the tech heads listening, the Wang 2200 was
a serious piece of kit for the early 70s. It
wasn't a Game Boy. It was a monochromatic screen,
heavy machinery. And her job wasn't to play Pong
on it. No. Her first job was training to use
it, learning coding, in the early 70s. Wow. It
shows that she was being trained to be useful.
She was being trained to serve the patriarch
using the most modern tools available. She was
being groomed for a specific role in his empire.
Completely. She worked for his company. She was
a director of the Oxford United Football Club
when he owned it. She founded a women's club.
She was everywhere he needed her to be. She was
his proxy. And there's that story about the yacht
that just... It really cements this whole dynamic,
the Lady Ghislaine. Oh, yes. The ultimate symbol
of possession. In 1986, Robert invited her to
a shipyard in the Netherlands to name his new
yacht after her. After her. The Lady Ghislaine.
And it was luxury personified jacuzzi, sauna,
disco. She spent the late 80s hosting on this
boat. She became the hostess of his floating
palace. But think about the psychology of that.
I mean, it's right there. The boat is named after
you, but you are serving the drinks. You are
the figurehead, literally and figuratively. Yes.
You are an ornament on his possession. But the
control went both ways, or rather, the control
over her was absolute. I saw a report from the
Times that said once she went to Oxford University
Balliol College, he stopped letting her bring
boyfriends home. He effectively cut off her public
association with romantic partners. He wanted
her focused on him and his interests. It was
incredibly possessive. In 1990, for example,
he sent her to New York to deliver an envelope.
She thought she was just being a dutiful daughter
running an errand for dad. Just a simple task.
Yeah. It turned out, unbeknownst to her, it was
part of a plot to steal $200 million from shareholders.
So she was a pawn, a very well -dressed, well
-educated pawn. A very useful pawn. And then...
The king falls. Or, rather, he falls off the
boat. November 1991. Robert Maxwell's body is
found floating near the Canary Islands, not far
from the Lady Ghislaine. The official verdict
was accidental drowning. He was a heavy man,
had a heart condition, maybe he slipped. But
Ghislaine never believed that. Not for a second.
No, she is on record saying she believes he was
murdered. She said, quote, he did not commit
suicide. That was just not consistent with his
character. And the aftermath was just... Catastrophic.
It wasn't just that Houdad died. No, that was
only the beginning. It was that the money vanished.
The mirror group pension fraud was revealed.
Can we explain that briefly? Because pension
fraud sounds so dry, but this was devastation
for thousands of people. It was theft, plain
and simple. Robert Maxwell had raided the pension
funds of his employees to prop up his failing
companies and his lavish lifestyle. How much
are we talking about? We are talking $400 million
missing. 32 ,000 people saw their retirement
savings evaporate overnight. 32 ,000 people.
It was one of the biggest corporate scandals
in British history. Just breathtaking greed.
So her brothers, Ian and Kevin, they get arrested
because they were the office every day. They
were part of the business. Right. They were implicated
directly. Buslane wasn't charged, but socially.
She was radioactive in London. Oh, completely
toxic. The Maxwell name went from being royalty
to being synonymous with theft. She couldn't
show her face in the salons of London without
people whispering about their stolen pensions.
So what does a socialite do when society turns
its back? She gets on a Concorde. A one -way
ticket to New York City shortly after her father's
death. And this is the pivot point. This is the
moment where the trajectory shifts directly toward
Jeffrey Epstein. She arrives in New York and
she has a trust fund from Lichtenstein that pays
her about 80 ,000 pounds a year. Which sounds
like a lot of money to most of us. Right. Let's
be real. That is a decent salary for a normal
person in the early 90s. You could live well.
But for someone who grew up in a 53 -room mansion
and flew on private jets. That's... Basically
poverty to her. It's relative deprivation. She
needed to maintain a lifestyle that her income
could no longer support. She was living in an
apartment overlooking Central Park, sure, but
she was desperate to climb back to the top. She
needed a sponsor. She needed a new host organism,
a new patriarch. And that desperation made her
vulnerable. It's the classic pattern. Enter Jeffrey
Epstein. The accounts of how they met, very...
Some say late 80s, some say early 90s, after
a bad breakup she had with an Italian count.
But by 1993, they were a unit. A solid unit.
And notice the pattern. She moves from one domineering,
mysterious, wealthy man, her father, to another.
Exactly. But her role with Epstein evolved into
something very specific. She wasn't just a girlfriend.
Epstein referred to her as his best friend. But
the staff. The staff. They called her the lady
of the house. That title implies management.
It implies structure. It's not just the girlfriend
hanging out by the pool. No, not at all. It's
a job title. She hired and fired the staff. She
managed the properties, New York, Palm Beach,
New Mexico, Paris, the Virgin Islands. She professionalized
his life. She took the chaos of his new money
and applied the structure of old money. That's
a perfect way to put it. But as we now know from
the trial, she also professionalized his abuse.
This is the part that is hardest to stomach.
what you called the grooming playbook. Yes. It
wasn't just that she looked the other way. The
sources, specifically the court documents and
the accounts from survivors, paint a picture
of active, enthusiastic participation. Prosecutor
Laura Pomerantz laid this out so clearly at the
trial. It was a pyramid scheme of abuse. A pyramid
scheme. Yes. They would reward girls for recruiting
other girls. And Maxwell was the safety mechanism.
A teenage girl might be terrified of a strange
man in a mansion. Of course they would be. But
a sophisticated British woman? Someone who spoke
nicely, who asked about their schoolwork? She
made it seem safe. She normalized the abnormal.
She was the friendly face on something monstrous.
We have to talk about the specific accusations
here because they really show the mechanics of
how this worked. Virginia Jufri, who we will
talk about more later regarding the tragic events
of 2025. A key figure. She was recruited at 16
while working as a spa attendant at Mar -a -Lago.
Right, at Donald Trump's club. And Jufri's testimony
was that Maxwell didn't just introduce her to
Epstein. She trained her. Trained her. How? There
was sexual instruction. Maxwell taught her how
to be subservient, how to please him. Giuffre
said, quote, the training started immediately.
A lot of this training came from Ghislaine herself.
It just, it breaks the myth that she was just
a bystander. It shatters it. She was the architect
of the environment. She was the headmistress
of this horrific school. And then there's the
story of Maria Farmer. This story always chills
me. The art project in Ohio. This was 1996. Farmer
was a young artist, very talented. Epstein and
Maxwell hired her to work on a project at Leslie
Wexner's estate in Ohio. The billionaire behind
Victoria's Secret. That's the one. Farmer alleges
she was sexually assaulted by both of them. And
when she tried to live or speak out, she claims
Maxwell threatened her life and her career. So
she wasn't just the recruiter, she was the enforcer.
The recruiter and the enforcer. And she was also
the connector. She used her Rolodex to insulate
Epstein. This is the social insulation aspect.
Yes, this is how they got away with it for so
long. Epstein was a college dropout from Coney
Island. He had money, but he didn't have class.
He didn't have the pedigree. Maxwell was Oxford
-educated aristocracy. She was the real deal,
socially. She brought the legitimacy. She introduced
him to Prince Andrew. She got him into rooms
he could never have entered on his own. That
photo, we've all seen it. Maxwell and Epstein
at the Queen's estate. Sandringham. It's them
sitting on a log cabin porch, looking casual.
That was reportedly for her 39th birthday in
2000. Prince Andrew described it as a straightforward
shooting weekend. A straightforward shooting
weekend. But just think about the access. She
brought a sex offender, though, you know, not
yet convicted at that time, into the heart of
the British establishment. She connected him
to Bill Clinton, to Donald Trump, to the elite
of the elite. She made him safe for polite society.
She laundered his reputation with her own social
capital. She made him acceptable. And then 2008
happens. Epstein is convicted for the first time.
So it was a slap on the wrist in Florida. And
Maxwell. She sort of fades. She goes into what
I call the hidden years. From 2008 to roughly
2019, she isn't in the tabloids as Epstein's
sidekick anymore. She tries to rebrand. She tries
to pivot away from the Epstein stench. Desperately.
Which brings us to the Terramar project. Right.
I remember seeing the website for this before
it was scrubbed. Looked like a legitimate NGO.
It was designed to. She founded this nonprofit
in 2012 to advocate for the oceans. She gave
a TEDx talk. She spoke at the UN. Use a classic
reputation laundering move. A text. bookcase.
Look at me. I'm a philanthropist. It's fascinating
because the ocean represents the ultimate depth,
the ultimate secret keeper. That's a good point.
But notice the timing. The organization dissolved
in July 2019. When? Literally days after Epstein
was arrested on federal charges in New York.
Wow. She just pulled the plug. Instantly. The
second the spotlight was back on, she vanished.
And that brings us to the manhunt. Epstein is
arrested. Then he dies in his cell in August
2019. And suddenly, the eyes of the world turn
to Gis Lane. Where is she? She was ghosting the
world. She was living in Bradford, New Hampshire
on a 156 acre property called Tucked Away. Tucked
Away. You can't make this stuff up. You really
can't. She bought it for over a million dollars
in cash through a shell company. She had former
British military personnel security. She was
living in a gilded cage in the middle of the
woods. But technology caught her. I love this
detail, or rather, I find it fascinatingly dystopian.
The FBI found her using a stingray. Yeah. Can
you explain for the listener what that actually
is? Because it sounds like something out of a
spy movie. It effectively is. A stingray is a
colloquial term for a cell site simulator. It's
a device that mimics a cell phone tower. So it
tricks your phone. Exactly. Your phone thinks
it's connecting to Verizon or AT &T to get a
signal, but it's actually connecting to the FBI's
device nearby. It forces the phone to handshake
with the device, allowing them to triangulate
the exact location. And she was trying to be
careful, right? She was. She wrapped her phone
in foil sometimes, but not tearful enough. She
used a phone to call her sister Isabel, her lawyer,
and her secret husband, Scott Borgerson. And
that was the mistake. That was it. The FBI triangulated
the signal. They breached the door in July 2020.
She was arrested. And that led to the trial in
late 2021. The defense tried to argue false memory
syndrome. Which is a controversial psychological
theory often used to discredit abuse survivors,
suggesting they have misremembered trauma under
the influence of therapists or media. A pretty
desperate tactic. Very. The defense also tried
to blame everything on Epstein, saying she was
just a scapegoat because he was dead. Don't punish
the woman for the man's crimes. That was the
line. But the jury didn't buy it. No, not at
all. She was found guilty on five of six counts,
sex trafficking, conspiracy, transporting a minor,
sentenced to 20 years. 20 years. And the judge,
Allison Nathan, made a statement that I think
is the epitaph for her defense. She said Maxwell
was not a proxy. She was instrumental. Instrumental.
That's such a heavy word. It implies she was
a necessary component. A critical part of the
machine, not just a passenger. So that brings
us up to what most people know. But now we need
to open the file on what has happened since the
trial. Because 2025, my God, 2025 was a year
of reckoning and chaos. It was. It really was.
And we have to start with the most tragic news
from last year. Yeah. The death of Virginia Shufri.
This was just heartbreaking. According to the
reports we have, she committed suicide on April
25, 2025 at her farm in Australia. She was only
41. It is an absolute tragedy. And we have to
be respectful here, but we also have to look
at the impact on the case and the community.
This is a woman who fought for decades to be
heard. She sued Maxwell for defamation back in
2015. That was the domino that really started
this whole collapse. That was the lawsuit that
blew the whole thing open. It was. She settled
with Prince Andrew. She was the face of the survivor
community. For her to survive the abuse, the
legal battles, the media scrutiny, and then to
pass away this way. It just underscores the long
tail of trauma. Her memoir, Nobody's Girl, was
published posthumously in October 2025. Did you
get a chance to review the excerpts in our source
deck? I did. And it contained bombshells. I mean...
Real bombshells. She alleged that Maxwell and
Epstein planned to use her as a surrogate mother.
What? Yes. It just shows the level of control
and possession they felt they had over her body,
not just for sexual use, but for reproductive
use. It's beyond disturbing. And now, with her
gone. Her death removes the primary antagonist
to Maxwell's narrative. Legally, the most vocal
accuser is gone. It creates a vacuum. And while
the survivor community was mourning, Strange
things were happening in the prison system. Yes,
very strange. In August 2025, Maxwell was transferred.
She had been at FCI Tallahassee, which is a low
-security prison, but then she was moved to FPC
Bryan in Texas. FPC Bryan is a federal prison
camp. It's minimum security. It's often called
Camp Cupcake. Camp Cupcake. That doesn't sound
like hard time. It isn't. We're talking dormitory
style housing, limited fencing. It's considered
one of the best places to do time if you have
to be in the federal system. It's where Elizabeth
Holmes was sent. It represents a significant
upgrade in quality of life. And this transfer
raised a lot of eyebrows. Why move a high profile
sex trafficker to a camp? Exactly. And then came
the whistleblower. This is where it gets infuriating
for a lot of people. Yes. In November 2025, Congressman
Jamie Raskin came forward with information from
a whistleblower within the Bureau of Prisons.
And the allegations were just stunning. They
claimed Maxwell was receiving special treatment
that goes far beyond just a nice view. We're
talking more than just an extra pillow. Much,
much more. We're talking custom meals delivered
to her, avoiding the standard prison loaf. So
she's not eating what everyone else is eating.
Apparently not. Guests allowed to bring computers
in during visits. which is a massive security
breach in any prison. You do not let inmates
access outside technology. No way. That's a huge
red flag. A huge red flag. And this one really
stands out. Access to a service dog in training
as a companion. A service dog as a companion
while other inmates are lucky to get their mail
on time. Exactly. Raskin said the warden was
even sending out emails on her behalf. This sparked
a massive probe. It suggests that her influence
or her money or the secrets she holds are still
currency even inside the Bureau of Prisons. It
reinforces the idea that there is a two -tiered
justice system. It screams it. One for the wealthy
and connected and one for everyone else. And
it gets more political. There was that hot mic
moment involving the DOJ that happened right
around the transfer. Yes. Joseph Schnitt, an
acting deputy chief at the DOJ, he was caught
on video claiming that the transfer to the lesser
security prison was a way to Keep her mouth shut.
To keep her mouth shut. Shut from what? From
countering the administration? Or spilling secrets?
That's the implication. That she has leverage.
The DOJ deny it, of course. They released a statement
saying Schnitt had no connection to the Epstein
case. But when you have a prisoner with connections
to Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew and half the
billionaires in the world. Right. The idea that
she is being managed rather than just punished
is a very persistent theory. And these allegations
of special treatment, they give it weight. And
speaking of keeping your mouth shut, she has
been legally stonewalling everyone. Consistently.
In July 2025, the House Oversight Committee,
led by James Comer, subpoenaed her. They wanted
her to testify about the Epstein network. They
wanted the names. Specifically looking for names
for connections to intelligence agencies, the
whole nine yards. She refused. On what grounds?
She said she wouldn't testify without immunity.
Which was a non -starter. Of course. Congress
isn't going to give immunity to a convicted sex
trafficker just to hear her gossip. It would
be political suicide. So that went nowhere. And
then there was the interview with the DOJ. Deputy
Attorney General Todd Blanch went to interview
her in prison in July 2025. Todd Blanch. That
name rings a bell. He defended Trump in 2024,
right? Correct. And in 2025, he was appointed
to the DOJ. He interviewed Maxwell for two days.
The transcripts were released in August 2025.
And guess what? She gave them nothing. Absolutely
nothing. She claimed she had no incriminating
info on high profile figures. She said Trump
never did anything of concern in her presence.
She protected Clinton. She protected everyone.
It's the Omerta, the code of silence. She is
sticking to the code. Yep. Even after Epstein
is dead, even now she's serving 20 years. Why?
That is the million dollar question. Is it loyalty?
Is it fear? Or is it leverage? As long as she
holds the secrets, she has value. If she spills
everything, she becomes expendable. Or maybe
she just still sees herself as one of them. Or
perhaps she simply believes that by keeping quiet,
she maintains some shred of her former status.
She is still an insider, even in a jumpsuit.
And legally, she is running out of road. Her
appeals have hit a wall. A brick wall. The Second
Circuit upheld her conviction in September 2024.
The Supreme Court declined to hear her case in
October 2025. So that's it for the normal appeals
process. That's it. So now, as of December 2025,
she is filing a habeas petition pro se. Pro se
meaning she is her own lawyer. Yes. Habeas corpus
is basically a last ditch appeal where you argue
your imprisonment is unlawful. She's claiming
unfair trial evidence. But she was just rebuked
by a judge recently for including unredacted
victim names in her filings. Oh, come on. It's
messy. It smacks of desperation. She's flailing.
I want to pivot to her personal life for a minute
because there are so many contradictions there.
We mentioned the secret husband. Scott Borgeson?
That was a bizarre subplot. She married him in
secret in 2016. He was a tech CEO, a fellow at
the Council on Foreign Relations. Serious guy?
A very serious guy. And he blew up his life for
her. He left his wife for her. But the marriage
didn't last the prison term. What happened? It
ended in divorce via a prison call in 2021. It
seems he was another shield and another attempt
at normalcy that just, it failed. And then there
is the religion. In 2023, reports came out that
she had converted to Judaism in prison. Right.
Now, her father was Jewish and she is of Jewish
descent, but she was raised Anglican. She wasn't
halactically Jewish, born of a Jewish mother
by strict Orthodox definition, but she converted
behind bars. Cynics might say kosher meals are
better. That is a common motivation in the prison
system, frankly. The food is often fresher or
safer. But there's more to it. She also reportedly
tapped into resources for incarcerated Jews.
It's another community, another network. It fits
her pattern of finding a group and embedding
herself in it. Whether it's the Oxford elite,
the Epstein ring, the Taramar environmentalists.
or now a religious group in prison, she is a
chameleon. She adapts to survive. And we have
to touch on the politics again because her scrapbook,
the one found by the FBI, kept making headlines
in 2025. The infamous 50th birthday letter. This
came out in July 2025. It was a letter from Donald
Trump to Epstein found in Maxwell's scrapbook
from 2003. I would say. It was a friendly congratulatory
note. Happy 50th. You're a great guy. That sort
of thing. And Trump sued the Wall Street Journal
for publishing it. He filed a $10 billion lawsuit.
But the letter itself just confirms what we've
known all along. They were all in the same circle.
Right. This wasn't a partisan operation. Not
at all. She was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding
in 2010. She was mingling with everyone. The
attempt to paint her as belonging to one political
team is false. She was an equal opportunity networker.
She collected powerful people, like trading cards.
So here we are. It's 2026. She's in Texas. She's
filing her own legal briefs. She's allegedly
eating custom meals. And getting a service dog.
And the woman who fought hardest to put her there,
Virginia Jeffrey, is gone. That's a very heavy
place to land. It really is. Okay, let's unpack
this. What does all of this mean? We have a woman
who had everything, lost it. clawed it back by
facilitating horrors and is now in this strange
limbo. I think the takeaway is about the machinery
of enablement. Ghislaine Maxwell wasn't a monster
who appeared out of nowhere. She was created.
Created by what? She was created by the entitlement
of her father's world. She was refined by the
desperation of her financial collapse. And she
was empowered by a society. our society that
is willing to look the other way if you have
the right last name and the right connections.
And that machinery didn't stop when the cell
door locked. No. The allegations of special treatment,
the political maneuvering, the fear of what she
might say, it all proves that the system is still
responding. to her influence, or at least the
threat of it. The prison walls are there, but
the invisible threads of power are still vibrating.
It makes you wonder, doesn't it? She's scheduled
for release in July 2037. She'll be in her mid
-70s. If she serves the full term. Right. If.
Because with the whistleblowers and the transfers,
nothing seems set in stone. And with the death
of her primary accuser, the dynamic changes.
The moral weight of the opposition has lost its
loudest voice. It leaves a silence that Maxwell
might try to fill with her own narrative. That's
a terrifying thought. History is written by the
survivors, and Maxwell is nothing if not a survivor.
That is a chilling thought. We started by asking
if she is truly serving time, or if she's still
manipulating the system. The evidence from 2025
suggests she hasn't stopped playing the game.
The game board just got smaller. She's a survivor.
That's the one thing you can't deny. She survived
her father. She survived the fraud scandal. She
survived Epstein. The question is, can the truth
survive her? I think that's the question we leave
everyone with. A question we will have to keep
asking. Thank you for listening to this deep
dive. It's a heavy one, but an important one.
We'll catch you on the next one. Stay curious
and stay critical.