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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today we are opening

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a file that is, without any exaggeration, one

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of the heaviest, most complex, and I'd say arguably

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most tragic dossiers in modern political history.

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We're looking at a figure who essentially crafted

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the blueprint for a nuclear -armed nation, split

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a country in two, and then ended his own life

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on the gallows. Yeah, we're talking about Zulfikar

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Ali Bhutto. Exactly. And this is a man who is...

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quite literally the definition of polarization.

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Oh, absolutely. To some, he's a martyr for democracy.

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To others, he's this Machiavellian villain who

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broke Pakistan. There's almost no middle ground.

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There really isn't. And I was reading through

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the source material, this extensive biographical

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record we pulled together, and the contradictions

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are just screaming at you from every single page.

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They really are. I mean, here is a guy who is

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a Western educated aristocrat, studied at Berkeley

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and Oxford, you know, wore several rose suits,

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probably drank scotch. Right. Yet he branded

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himself. The leader of the people. The leader

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of the people. He was a champion of the poor,

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who was also himself a feudal lord. And the contradictions

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don't stop there. I mean, he was a Democrat who

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gave Pakistan its first consensus constitution.

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A huge achievement. A huge deal, yeah. But he

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also ruled for a time as a civilian chief martial

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law administrator. The two things just don't...

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They don't seem to fit together. It plays out

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like a Shakespearean tragedy. It really does.

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And what's wild is that this story isn't just

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history. It's not some dusty archive. I saw in

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the notes that as recently as March 2024, the

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Supreme Court of Pakistan revisited his trial.

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That's right. Just a few months ago. 45 years

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after his execution, the highest court in the

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land officially gave an opinion that he didn't

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get a fair trial. So they admitted it. They admit

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it. So this isn't ancient history at all. It's

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a wound that is still very much open in the political

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psyche of South Asia. The ghost of Budo is still

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a very real player in Pakistani politics. OK,

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let's unpack this. We have a massive amount of

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ground to cover. We need to look at his meteoric

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rise, the absolute catastrophe of 1971, the Islamic

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bomb and, of course, the judicial murder. Mm

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hmm. But let's start at the beginning. Who was

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Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto before he became this this

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legend? To understand the man, you have to understand

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the soil he grew up on. He was born in 1928 in

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Sindh, which was then part of British India.

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And he wasn't just born wealthy. He was born

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into like feudal royalty. OK. His father. Sir

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Shahnawaz Bhutto was a massive figure. He was

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the Dewan, or prime minister, of the princely

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state of Juniga. So he grows up seeing power

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being wielded at a very, very high level. He's

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not learning politics from books. He's seeing

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it at the dinner table. Exactly. But he doesn't

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stay in that feudal bubble. And this is the first

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pivotal shift. He goes to the United States for

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his education. He lands at the University of

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Southern California and then transfers to UC

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Berkeley. And this is the late 1940s we're talking

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about. Late 40s. So you can imagine Berkeley

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in the late 40s. For a feudal kid from Sindh,

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it must have been a completely different planet.

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Oh, it must have changed his entire worldview.

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It absolutely did. And at Berkeley, he's not

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just, you know, going to parties. He is devouring

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society. socialist theory. He's reading Marx.

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He's actually giving lectures on campus debating

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whether socialism can be compatible with Islamic

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heritage. He's building this intellectual framework

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that would later define his entire political

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career. Right. But there is something else that

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happens while he's there that is just it's crucial.

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The notes mention he was in the U .S. when the

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Soviets tested their first nuclear weapon. Yes.

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In 1949. Yeah. And he witnessed the reaction

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in the United States firsthand. He saw the fear,

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but he also saw the respect and the sudden shift

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in global power dynamics. He realized right then

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and there that nuclear capability wasn't just

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about a big explosion. It was about sovereignty.

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It was the currency of power. If you had the

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bomb, the world just, it treated you differently.

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That is a fascinating connection. So the seed

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for the Pakistani nuclear program wasn't planted

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in some war room in the 70s. Nope. It was planted

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in a dorm room in Berkeley in 1949. Precisely.

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After Berkeley, he goes to Oxford Christ Church

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College to study law. Then he gets called to

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the bar at Lincoln's Inn. So by the time he's

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done, he's polished, he's brilliant, he's incredibly

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charismatic, and he is just fiercely ambitious.

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And when he returns to Pakistan, he doesn't just

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want to be a lawyer. Oh, no. He wants to rule.

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And he rises fast. The sources say he became

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a cabinet minister in 1958. He was the youngest

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member of the cabinet. Yeah, first under President

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Iskandar Mirza and then under the military ruler,

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General Ayub Khan. You've got to picture this.

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He's in his early 30s, surrounded by these old

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generals and stuffy bureaucrats, and he is outshining

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every single one of them. But the real turning

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point, the moment Bhutto becomes Bhutto, the

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figure we know, is when he becomes foreign minister

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in 1963. Yes. This is where he starts to really

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steer the ship. This is where he starts shifting

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Pakistan's foreign policy, right? Because up

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until then, Pakistan was... pretty firmly in

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the American camp. Firmly is an understatement.

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Pakistan was known as America's most allied ally

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in Asia. They were part of Seattle and Cento.

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Hold on. Let's just clarify those acronyms for

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everyone. Seattle and Cento. Sure. Think of them

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as the Asian versions of NATO. They were these

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anti -communist military alliances designed to

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contain the Soviet Union and China. Okay. Pakistan

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was a key member, which meant it was officially

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aligned against the entire communist bloc. But

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Budo, he looked at the map and basically said,

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this is insane. Right. You've got this massive

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neighbor right there. Exactly. He's saying we

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share a border with China. We have a hostile

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India next door. Why are we alienating our most

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powerful neighbor to please a superpower that's

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halfway across the world? It just didn't make

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strategic sense to him. So he decides to pivot

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to Beijing. He becomes the architect of the Sino

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-Pakistan relationship. He negotiates and signs

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the Sino -Pakistan Boundary Agreement. He pushes

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for trade, for military cooperation. And you

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have to remember the context here. This is the

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height of the Cold War. The U .S. must have been

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furious. They were paranoid about China. So Budo

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is basically poking the American bear right in

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the eye. And he's doing it with style. But it

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wasn't just diplomacy. There was a war involved

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here, too. The 1965 war with India. This is where

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we see the hawk side of Budo. He wasn't just

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a diplomat. He was an agitator. He was the primary

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advocate for something called Operation Gibraltar.

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Operation Gibraltar. It sounds like an action

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movie title. What was the plan? The plan was

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to covertly infiltrate Pakistani troops into

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Indian -administered Kashmir to try and incite

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an uprising against Indian rule. And Bhutto convinced

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President Ayub Khan that India would not dare

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to cross the international border in retaliation,

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that the whole conflict would just stay contained

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in Kashmir. That turned out to be a massive miscalculation.

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A colossal miscalculation. India responded by

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launching a full -scale attack on Lahore and

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Sialkot. right across the international border

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it blew up into a full -blown conventional war

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and what was the result well both sides claimed

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victory but really it was a stalemate and that

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stalemate eventually led everyone to the negotiating

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table ayub khan went to tashkent in the soviet

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union of all places to sign a peace treaty with

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india The Tashkent Declaration. Right. And this

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treaty basically just restored the status quo.

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It was seen by the public in Pakistan as a total

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surrender of what had been won on the battlefield.

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So people were angry. They were furious. They

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had been told by state media that they were winning.

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And then suddenly their leader is signing this,

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what they saw as a humiliating truce. Budo saw

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this public anger and he tapped right into it.

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He threw his boss under the bus. He absolutely

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did. He resigned from the government and went

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public, accusing Ayub Khan of losing at the negotiating

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table what the army had won on the field. It

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was a masterstroke of populism. He completely

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distanced himself from the failure that he, in

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large part, helped create. And he rode this wave

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of anti -government sentiment. That brings us

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to 1967. He's out of government. He's on the

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streets. And he founds the Pakistan People's

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Party, the PPP. And this is where he changes

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the game. Until Budo, politics in Pakistan was

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a drawing room affair. It was for the elite,

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the landlords, the industrialists. Right. Budo

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took it to the masses. He came up with a slogan

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that is still to this day the most powerful political

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slogan in the country's history. Rodi, Capra,

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or Makan. Food, clothing, and shelter. Simple,

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primal. It connects with everyone. But the full

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manifesto was this potent cocktail. Islam is

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our faith. democracy is our policy socialism

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is our economy all power to the people that is

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a fascinating mix you've got religion democracy

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and socialism all wrapped up together it literally

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covers every possible base it was revolutionary

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for its time He mobilized the peasants in the

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fields, the laborers in the factories, the radical

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student unions in the cities. He traveled by

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train, stopping at these tiny little stations,

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rolling up his sleeves. I mean, literally unbuttoning

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his collar and screaming himself hoarse. He made

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the common man feel like he mattered for the

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first time. He was electric. He was completely

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electric. So he builds this massive fervent base

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in West Pakistan. But then we hit 1970. And this,

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this is the pivot point where the story turns

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from a political drama into a national tragedy.

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The 1970 elections are crucial. This was the

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first ever general election held in Pakistan

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on the basis of adult franchise. One person,

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one vote. And the results were just... stark.

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They highlighted the fatal flaw in the country's

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geography. Right. Because Pakistan was two wings

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west and east, separated by a thousand miles

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of India. Exactly. And East Pakistan, what is

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now Bangladesh, had a larger population. So in

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the elections, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's Awami

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League won virtually every single seat in East

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Pakistan. So they gave them an absolute majority

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in the national parliament. A clear, absolute

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majority. So by all democratic rules, Sheikh

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Mujib should have been the prime minister of

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the entire country. But the power centers in

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West Pakistan, the military, the bureaucracy,

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and of course, Zulfiqar Ali Budo, they were not

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ready to hand over power to a Bengali party.

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Not at all. This is where Budo's democratic credentials

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take a massive hit in the historical record.

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He refused to sit in the opposition. He did.

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He famously said that the legs of any party member

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who went to the assembly session in Dhaka would

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be broken. It was a direct threat. And he used

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a phrase that has haunted history ever since.

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We rule here, you rule there. Just splitting

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the country down the middle. Now, there is some

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debate about whether he used those exact words

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in a public speech or if it was a headline that

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summarized his position. But the sentiment was

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undeniable. He was proposing a power showing

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formula that had absolutely no basis in the Constitution.

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He was telling the majority winner, you can't

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rule over us. You have a deadlock, a total political

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stalemate. And while the politicians are arguing,

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the streets in the East are burning. It just

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spirals completely out of control. The military

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regime of Yahya Khan decides to solve this political

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problem with military force. They launch Operation

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Searchlight in March 1971. And what was that?

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It was a brutal, horrific military crackdown

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in East Pakistan. Sheikh Mujib is arrested. A

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civil war erupts. Millions of refugees flee into

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India. It's a humanitarian catastrophe. It doesn't

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end well for Pakistan. It ends in total disaster.

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India intervenes in support of the Bengali rebels.

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War breaks out in December 1971. And within two

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weeks, the Pakistan army in the east is surrounded.

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On December 16, 1971, they surrender. 93 ,000

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prisoners of war. Half the country gone. East

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Pakistan becomes the independent nation of Bangladesh.

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It was a psychological trauma that is hard for

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us to overstate. The two -nation theory, the

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very founding idea that Muslims of the subcontinent

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were one nation, it seemed to collapse overnight.

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The military was humiliated. Yahya Khan resigned

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in disgrace. He had to. And who steps in to pick

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up the pieces? Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. He flies

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back from the UN in New York, and on December

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20, 1971, he takes over. And here's that paradox

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again. He becomes president. But because the

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Constitution is suspended, he also becomes the

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first and only civilian chief martial law administrator.

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So he's a democratically elected leader, but

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he's wielding the absolute power of a military

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dictator to fix the country. That was his argument.

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That it was necessary. The country was broken.

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The state itself was on the verge of collapse.

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He had to rebuild it from scratch. So what does

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that rebuilding look like? I mean, where do you

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even begin? He's got 93 ,000 soldiers stuck in

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Indian POW camps. He's lost 5 ,000 square miles

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of territory in the West. The economy is shattered.

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The national morale is at rock bottom. You begin

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with diplomacy. His first big test was the Simmel

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Agreement in 1972. He goes to India to meet with

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Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. Now, you have to

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think about his negotiating position. He has

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literally zero leverage. None. India holds all

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the cards. They have the land and they have the

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prisoners. He has nothing but a defeated army

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and a demoralized nation behind him. So how did

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he pull it off? Because the notes say he got

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the land back and the prisoners back. He played

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a brilliant psychological game. He knew that

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Indira Gandhi didn't really want a chaotic, collapsing

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Pakistan on her border. That would be a security

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nightmare for India. Right. A failed state next

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door is bad for everyone. Exactly. So he convinced

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her that if she humiliated him too much, his

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fragile new democratic government would fall

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and the crazy generals would come back to power.

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He pleaded, he charmed, he threatened. He used

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every tool in his arsenal. He used his own weakness

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as leverage. Precisely. And it worked. He managed

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to secure the return of the 5 ,000 square miles

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of territory and set the stage for the eventual

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release of all 93 ,000 POWs. And critically,

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he did it without compromising on Pakistan's

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core stance on Kashmir. It was, objectively,

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a masterclass in diplomacy. So he secures the

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borders. Now he has to secure the state itself.

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Yeah. That brings us to the 1973 Constitution.

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This is arguably his most enduring positive legacy.

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Pakistan had been struggling to write a viable

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constitution for 25 years. It had gone through

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multiple versions. Budo managed to get a consensus

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document approved by every single political party.

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Everyone signed on. The religious right, the

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secular left. Everyone. The regional nationalists

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from the smaller provinces. Everyone. It was

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a moment of national unity. And what did it change?

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It established a parliamentary system. which

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meant Budo shifted from being president to the

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more powerful position of prime minister. But

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it also defined the state's religious identity

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more sharply. It officially declared Pakistan

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an Islamic republic and required that the prime

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minister and president must be Muslims. OK. And

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then there's the socialism part of his manifesto.

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He started nationalizing everything, didn't he?

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He did. And this is where the legacy gets really

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murky. He wanted to break the monopoly of the

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22 families, these wealthy industrial groups

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that controlled the vast majority of Pakistan's

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economy. So he nationalized steel, chemicals

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and cement. Which. You know, for a socialist

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agenda, that makes sense. It does. But then he

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went further, much further, much further. He

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nationalized all the banks, the insurance companies,

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and then he went after the small fish. He nationalized

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flour mills, rice husking units, even cotton

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ginning factories. Wait, wait. So if I owned

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a small family run rice mill in a village somewhere,

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the government just. Took it over. Yes. And the

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government bureaucrats who were sent to run it

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had no idea how to run a rice mill. Efficiency

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just plummeted. Corruption skyrocketed. And critically,

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he alienated the middle class and the small business

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owners, the very backbone of the economy. So

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it completely backfired. It spooked investors

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for decades. It's a policy that many economists

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still point to as a major setback for Pakistan's

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economic development. So mixed results on the

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economy. Put it mildly. But on the global stage,

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he was still trying to position Pakistan as a

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major leader. Oh, absolutely. The 1974 Islamic

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summit in Lahore. This was his show. He hosted

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leaders from 37 Muslim countries. The Daffy from

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Libya. King Faisal from Saudi Arabia. Yasser

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Arafat from the PLO. It was this huge spectacle.

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It cemented Bhutto's image as a leader of the

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third world and the Islamic bloc. He wanted to

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show everyone that even after losing half the

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country, Pakistan was still a major player on

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the world stage. And to be a major player in

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that Cold War era, you needed one specific thing.

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We have to talk about the Islamic bomb. We will

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eat grass. That quote is just legendary. Pakistan

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will fight. Fight for a thousand years. If India

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builds the atom bomb, Pakistan will eat grass

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or leaves, even go hungry. But we will get one

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of our own. It sends shivers down your spine,

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doesn't it? The sheer defiance in that statement.

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And it wasn't just rhetoric. Bhutto is, without

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a doubt, the father of the Pakistani nuclear

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program. The notes mention a secret meeting in

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the city of Multan in 1972, right after the war.

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Yes, the Multan conference. It's almost mythical

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now. He gathers the country's top scientists

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and engineers. under a tent, literally, and he

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asks them one question. Can you give me the bomb?

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And what do they say? Well, they hesitate about

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the timeline. They say it will take time. It's

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complex. He pushes them. He demands it. He tells

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them money is no object. And he brings in the

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heavy hitters. He brings in Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan

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Aq Khan, who was a metallurgist working in Europe

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at a sensitive nuclear facility called Urengo.

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Khan brought the crucial centrifuge technology

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designs needed to enrich uranium. Budo gave these

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scientists a blank check and total political

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cover. But this wasn't happening in a vacuum.

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The U .S. was watching. Oh, very closely. The

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U .S. was terrified of nuclear proliferation,

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especially in such an unstable region. There's

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a famous and frankly chilling account of a meeting

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between Budo and the U .S. Secretary of State,

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Henry Kissinger, in Lahore. What happened? Kissinger

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reportedly warned him, point blank, if you do

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not cancel this program, we will make a horrible

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example of you. Make a horrible example of you.

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That sounds like a threat from a mafia don, not

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a diplomat. It shows you the stakes. Budo was

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direct. Yeah, he later used that threat from

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Kissinger, didn't he? He did. He used it as a

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badge of honor, claiming his life was in danger

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because he stood up for the Islamic bomb and

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for the sovereignty of the Muslim world. So he's

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building the bomb. He's rewritten the constitution.

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He's nationalized the economy. He seems to be

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in total control. But looking at the timeline,

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things start to get dark around the mid -70s.

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The man of the people starts acting a lot like

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the autocrats he replaced. Here's where the Democrat

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label starts to seriously fray. streak a mile

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wide. He did not handle dissent well. If you

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disagreed with him, you weren't just a political

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opponent. You were an enemy of the state. The

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notes mention a federal security force. What

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was that? The FSF. Theoretically, it was a special

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federal force to assist the police with serious

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crime. In practice, it was Bhutto's private militia.

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They were used to harass, intimidate, and even

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physically attack political opponents. They broke

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up opposition rallies. They abducted critics.

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It created a very real climate of fear. And then

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there's the situation in the province of Balochistan.

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He dismissed the elected provincial government

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there, which led to a full -blown insurgency

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that lasted from 1973 to 1977. He sent in the

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army. It was a brutal, bloody conflict with heavy

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casualties on both sides. I have to ask about

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the Iraqi embassy raid. That detail in the notes

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jumped out at me as just totally bizarre. It's

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a fascinating anecdote that really shows his

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ruthlessness. In 1973, Budo ordered a raid on

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the Iraqi embassy in Islamabad. Now, you don't

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just do that. That's technically sovereign territory.

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It's a major diplomatic incident. Huge. But his

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special forces went in and they found crates

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containing 300 submachine guns and thousands

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of rounds of ammunition, all hidden in diplomatic

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bags. Since they were smuggling weapons via diplomatic

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pouch. Yes. The weapons were allegedly destined

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for the Baloch separatists. And Budo used this

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discovery to justify his military crackdown,

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claiming there was a foreign conspiracy to break

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up Pakistan. He expelled the Iraqi ambassador

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and really just flexed his muscles on the international

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stage. Okay, so tensions are extremely high.

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We get to 1977. He calls for new elections. He

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was confident. He thought he would sweep them.

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And on paper, the PPP did win a massive majority.

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But the opposition alliance, a coalition called

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the PNA, immediately cried foul. They claimed

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the election was stolen. Was it rigged? Most

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credible historians agree there was significant

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rigging. Budo probably would have won anyway,

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but his local party leaders wanted to ensure

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a clean sweep, so they went overboard. They stuffed

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ballot boxes in key constituencies. The scale

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of the victory was just too good to be true.

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And the reaction. An explosion. Street protests

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erupted across the country. But here is the critical

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shift. The opposition, which was a mix of parties,

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started using religious language. They united

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under the demand for Nizam -e -Mustafa, the rule

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of the prophet. So they turned it into a religious

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crusade against him. Exactly. They attacked Budo

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for his drinking, his Western lifestyle. They

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painted him as un - Islamic as an enemy of the

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faith. And Bhutto tries to negotiate, right?

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He does. He backpedals. He bans alcohol. He closes

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nightclubs. He declares Friday as the weekly

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holiday instead of Sunday, all in an attempt

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to appease the religious right. But it was too

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little, too late. It was blood in the water.

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The chaos in the streets gave the military the

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perfect pretext they needed to step in. Enter

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General Zia -ul -Haq. The man Budo appointed.

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And this is the great tragic irony. Budo had

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skipped over five, some say seven, senior generals

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to appoint Zia as the chief of army staff. Why

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Zia? What did he see in him? He saw someone who

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appeared to be totally apolitical. Zia was outwardly

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religious. He was humble. He seemed subservient.

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Budo famously and dismissively called him his

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monkey general in private circles, thinking this

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was a man he could easily control. He thought

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Zia was safe. Talk about a miscalculation. A

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fatal one. On July 5, 1977, General Zia launches

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Operation Fair Play. He declares martial law.

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Budo is arrested in the middle of the night from

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his residence. But Zia says he's just going to

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hold elections in 90 days and leave, right? That

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was the initial promise. That was the promise,

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90 days. But Zia quickly realized something that

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must have terrified him. The intelligence reports

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were showing that despite all the protests, The

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PPP was still massively popular. If he held free

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and fair elections, Budo might actually win again.

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And if Budo wins? Zia is a dead man. Budo would

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have him tried for treason under Article 6 of

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the Constitution, the very Constitution that

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Budo himself wrote. As the famous saying went

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at the time, There is only one grave for two

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men. Wow. Zia decided it wasn't going to be his

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grave. So Budo has to go. But you can't just

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shoot a former prime minister. You need a legal

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justification. This leads to the murder charge.

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The Ghazouri case. This goes back to 1974. A

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rogue politician and a former Budo ally, a man

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named Ahmed Raza Ghazouri, was ambushed in his

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car in Lahore. Ghazouri himself survived, but

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his father, Noab Mohammed Hamid Khan Ghazouri,

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who was in the car with him, was killed in the

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gunfire. And Ghazouri blamed Budo from the start.

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Immediately. He went to the police station and

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filed a report claiming Budo was the mastermind.

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because Kasiri had been a vocal critic of his

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in Parliament. The case had gone cold for years.

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Zia revived it. And how did they pin it on Butoh?

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What was the evidence? The star witness was the

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former director of the FSF, that private militia

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we talked about, a man named Masood Mahmood.

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He was arrested, and he was basically offered

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a deal. Turn state's witness against Butoh, testify

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that Butoh ordered the hit, and we will pardon

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you. And he took the deal. He took the deal.

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His testimony was the cornerstone of the prosecution's

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case. The trial itself. The notes call it a judicial

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murder. That is the term history has settled

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on, and for good reason. It was held in the Lahore

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High Court. The bench was headed by a chief justice,

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Malvi Mushtaq, who was known to have a deep personal

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grudge against Buto Buto, had passed him over

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for a promotion years earlier. So the judge was

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biased from the outset. The whole atmosphere

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was hostile. Buto was insulted in court. He was

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placed in a dock like a common criminal. international

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observers were watching this. Right. Like who?

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The former U .S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark

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witnessed parts of the proceedings and called

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them a complete sham, totally biased. But it

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didn't matter. The verdict came down. Guilty.

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Sentenced to death. He appealed to the Supreme

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Court. He did. And this is where it gets just

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agonizingly close. The Supreme Court was deeply,

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deeply divided. In the end, the conviction was

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upheld by the narrowest possible margin. Four

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to three. One vote. One single vote decided the

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fate of the country's most popular, most consequential

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leader. That is incredibly heavy. It's staggering

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to think about. Did he ask for mercy? Did he

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plead with Xia? No. Budo was a man of immense

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pride. To him, that would have been the ultimate

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humiliation. He refused to plead for mercy from

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a dictator he considered an illegitimate usurper.

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He spent his final days in a squalid death cell

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in Rawalpindi, writing his final political testament,

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a book called If I Am Assassinated. The world

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must have reacted. I mean, leaders around the

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globe must have been calling for clemency. The

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world begged for his life. Leonid Brezhnev from

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the Soviet Union, the Chinese leadership, the

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Saudi King, the Pope, even U .S. President Jimmy

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Carter appealed directly to Zia for clemency.

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They all said, don't do this, exile him, imprison

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him for life, but don't hang him. But Zia ignored

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them all. He did. He was convinced that if Bhutto

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lived, Zia would die. It was that simple for

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him. On the morning of April 4th, 1979, Zulfiqar

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Ali Bhutto was hanged at Rawalpindi District

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Jail. The notes mention his last words. Reportedly,

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as he was led to the gallows, he said, Oh, Lord,

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help me, for I am innocent. They cut him down,

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flew his body to his ancestral village in Sindh,

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and buried him in the family graveyard before

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the country even woke up. It's just such a heavy

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ending. Zia must have thought that by killing

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the man, he would kill the movement. And he could

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not have been more wrong. His death made Bhutto

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a martyr. The ghost of Bhutto haunted Zia for

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his entire 11 -year rule. The PPP remained a

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massive political force. And his daughter, Benazir

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Bhutto, picked up the mantle. She did. She struggled

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against the dictatorship, she suffered imprisonment

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and exile, and eventually became the first female

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prime minister of a Muslim country in 1988, right

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after Zia died in a plane crash. And tragically,

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she was assassinated too, years later. The Budo

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family history is just steeped in blood and politics.

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It's often compared to the Kennedys in the U

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.S., the glamour, the power, and what seems like

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a curse. But let's go back to that 2024 Supreme

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Court opinion we mentioned at the start. What

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exactly happened there? Why bring this up 45

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years later? It was a presidential reference,

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a legal question filed years ago that finally

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got a proper hearing. And the Supreme Court of

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Pakistan, in a formal opinion, officially acknowledged

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the deep flaws in the judicial process of 1979.

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So they didn't overturn the verdict because you

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can't, but they admitted it was wrong. They essentially

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admitted that the trial was not fair, that due

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process was manipulated and that the judges were

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not acting independently. In spirit, yes, they

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admitted it was a wrongful execution. It's a

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historic correction. It came 45 years too late

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to save his life, but for his family and his

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party, it was a vindication they had been fighting

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for for half a century. So if we zoom out, how

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do we sum up the legacy of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto?

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It's a legacy that is cleaved right down the

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middle, just like the country was in 1971. To

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his supporters, the Jialas, as they're called.

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He is the hero who gave the poor a voice, who

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gave the country its only consensus constitution,

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and who gave the nation the ultimate security

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guarantee, the nuclear bomb. He put Pakistan

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on the map. And to his critics. To his critics,

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he was a feudal autocrat hiding in Democratic

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clothing, a man who was dangerously intolerant

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of opposition, whose economic policies ruined

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the middle class, and whose refusal to share

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power in 1971 was the primary catalyst for the

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breakup of the country. It's amazing how one

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person can be both of those things at the same

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time. That's the nature of these huge transformational

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figures. They don't fit into neat little boxes.

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He was brilliant and he was deeply flawed. He

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built institutions and he undermined them. Here's

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a question that's been nagging me as we've talked.

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We discussed the nuclear program and that famous

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eat grass quote. Do you think South Asian geopolitics

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would look fundamentally different today if he

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hadn't pushed for that bomb? Oh, completely.

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Without that nuclear deterrence, the power dynamic

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between India and Pakistan would be vastly different.

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Pakistan's strategic behavior, its confidence,

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its alliances. All of it hinges on that nuclear

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capability that Budo initiated. Whether you think

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the bomb is a good thing or a bad thing, you

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cannot deny that he fundamentally altered the

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strategic DNA of the entire region. And one final

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thought to leave our listeners with. We talk

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about 1971, the great what if. Yes, the great

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counterfactual of Pakistani history. If Zulfiqar

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Ali Budo had just accepted the results of the

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1970 election, if he had been willing to sit

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on the opposition benches and let Sheikh Majid

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become prime minister. Pakistan might still be

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one united country today. Bangladesh might not

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exist. The map of South Asia would look completely

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different. The lives of hundreds of millions

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of people would be different. And it's a haunting

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question that really highlights the terrible,

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terrible cost of political ambition. Something

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to chew on. We've covered a lot of ground today,

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from the halls of Oxford to the death cell in

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Rawalpindi. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, a man who lived

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fast, aimed high, and paid the ultimate price.

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A fascinating and tragic deep dive into a life

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that shaped history. Thanks for listening everyone.

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We'll catch you on the next one.
