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Welcome back to the deep dive. Today we are we're

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stepping into a world that is just well it's

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visually vibrating. That's a great way to put

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it. It's a world of infinite reflections glowing

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lights and of course dots. I mean thousands and

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thousands of polka dots. Uncountable polka dots.

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Exactly. And if you have been anywhere near a

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major museum in the last say 10 years or honestly

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if you've just scrolled through Instagram. You

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have seen this work. Oh, it's unavoidable. Yeah.

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In the best way. Yeah. We are, of course, talking

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about the Princess of Polka Dots herself, Yayoi

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Kusama. And it is such a fascinating subject

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to tackle because when you think of Kusama, your

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mind probably jumps right to those iconic images.

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Right. The bright yellow pumpkins covered in

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black spots or maybe those mirrored rooms that

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feel like you're stepping into a galaxy. They

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seem to go on forever. And the thing is, she's

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currently acknowledged as the world's top selling

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female artist. And not just female artist, the

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most successful living artist, period. That's

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a staggering title. Which is huge, a massive

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title. But here's the hook. And this is the thing

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that really stops you in your tracks when you

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start digging into the research. While her art

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is selling for millions, while she's collaborating

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with these huge luxury brands like Louis Vuitton,

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she doesn't live in a penthouse in Manhattan

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or, you know, a villa in Tuscany. No, not at

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all. Since 1977, she has voluntarily lived in

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a mental health facility in Tokyo. That just,

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it reframes everything. For nearly 50 years,

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she has resided in this hospital by her own choice.

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It's her safe space. She wakes up in her room

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at the facility and she just walks a short distance

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to her studio every single day to work. The routine

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is the anchor. Completely. And that is our mission

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for this deep dive. We want to unpack how a young

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girl from rural Japan used actual terrifying

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hallucinations to fuel an artistic revolution.

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We have to. And we're going to look at her time

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in 1960s New York, which was... I mean, it was

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pivotal, it was wild, and honestly, it was pretty

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heartbreaking for her. And we have to talk about

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this concept she has, self -obliteration. It

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sounds, well, it sounds scary, almost nihilistic.

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It does, but it's the absolute key to unlocking

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her entire philosophy. So this isn't just an

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art history lesson for you. Not at all. This

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is a study of resilience. It's about the intersection

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of severe mental health struggles and breathtaking

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creativity and race. And frankly, it's a critique

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of the art market's long history of sexism and

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racism. It really is a history she experienced

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firsthand. So let's go back way back to the beginning,

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before the pumpkins, before New York, before

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the fame. We need to go to Matsumoto, Japan in

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1929. Right. So Yayu Kusama was born into a pretty

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well -off family. They were wealthy merchants

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who owned a plant nursery and a huge seed farm.

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So you have to imagine the setting. From day

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one, she is literally surrounded by plants, flowers,

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just fields and fields of zinnias and peonies.

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It sounds idyllic, doesn't it? Like something

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out of a fairy tale. It sounds beautiful, like

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a Studio Ghibli movie setting. But from what

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all the sources say, the reality inside the house

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was anything but. It was incredibly traumatic.

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Yeah, idyllic is not the word. Her family dynamics

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were, let's say, complicated. Complicated is

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being very generous. Extremely. The environment

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was a pressure cooker. Her mother was reportedly

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physically abusive and just intensely, viciously

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unsupportive of Yayo's art. I read that Kusama

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would be drawing pictures of, you know. The pumpkins

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or the flowers she saw in the nursery. And her

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mother would just rush in and snatch them away

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from her before she could finish. Just rip them

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up. Just to discourage her. To crush that impulse.

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Exactly. And that explains why she developed

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this lifelong habit of rushing to finish her

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art. It's not just a burst of passion. It was

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a panic -driven need to get the image out before

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it could be destroyed. And then there's the father.

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The father was a serial womanizer. And in a really,

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really disturbing twist that shaped Kusama's

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entire psyche, her mother would force young Yayoi

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to spy on her father's extramarital affairs.

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That is just horrific. To send a child to do

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that, I can't even imagine. It's psychological

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warfare on a child. And it had this profound

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lifelong impact. Kusama said very explicitly

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that this experience instilled in her a lifelong

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contempt for sexuality. A fear, really. A deep

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fear. She developed an intense phobia. of the

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male body specifically the phallus there's a

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quote where she says the sexual obsession and

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fear of sex sit side by side in me that's the

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core conflict so you have this high stress abusive

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environment and then right in the middle of all

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this family trauma the hallucinations start she's

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only what 10 years old about 10 yes and this

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is the true origin story of the polka dots this

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wasn't a cool aesthetic choice she made no she

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describes this pivotal moment She was sitting

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at the dining table looking at a red flower pattern

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on the tablecloth, just staring at it. And when

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she looked up... The pattern was everywhere.

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Everywhere. She saw that same red flower pattern

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covering the ceiling, then the windows, then

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the walls. And it didn't just stop there in the

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room. No. This is the terrifying part. She looked

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down and saw the pattern crawling over her own

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body, her clothes, her hands. She felt like the

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universe was being covered in these dots. She

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felt she was being... Obliterated. Completely

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erased. And this wasn't just, oh, I see spots.

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This was a full sensory overload. She talks about

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flashes of light, auras, dense fields of dots.

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She even said the violets in the fields would

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speak to her, that they had human -like faces.

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That is genuinely terrifying for a child. It's

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the definition of a waking nightmare. Yeah. The

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patterns threatened to engulf her. In one account,

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she ran upstairs to escape the spell of the red

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flyers, and she actually fell and sprained her

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ankle. This wasn't a daydream. It was a visceral,

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physical, frightening event. And so art became

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the only way out. The only way to cope. It was

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her escape mechanism. If she could paint the

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dots, if she could draw the nets she saw, then

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maybe she could control them. By capturing the

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fear on paper, she could keep it from swallowing

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her whole? Precisely. But then you have to layer

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on top of all of that the historical context.

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She's now entering her teenage years during World

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War II. Right. So at age 13, she's conscripted

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to work in a military factory. And she's sewing

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parachutes for the Japanese army. Can you imagine

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a more stark image? A young girl who was having

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these intense, colorful hallucinations, forced

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to sit in a dark factory, sewing gray silk parachutes

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for a war. She described her adolescence as being

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spent in closed darkness, just hearing air raid

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sirens constantly, seeing American B -29 bombers

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flying overhead. And that environment, the repression

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of the war, the trauma at home, it just solidified

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this desperate need for personal and creative

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freedom. She felt completely suffocated from

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all signs. So the war ends, she survives, and

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she tries to become an artist in post -war Japan.

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She studies Nihonga. Yes, which is a very traditional

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style of Japanese painting. She went to Kyoto

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to study it. But she hated it. despise it she

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found it far too restrictive the whole master

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disciple system the rigid rules about what materials

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you could use the specific techniques it didn't

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work for an artist who's trying to paint her

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own mind so she decided she had to leave she

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had to she famously said that japanese society

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at the time was in her words too small too servile

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too fetalistic and too scornful of women yeah

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She knew she had no future there. She makes a

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break for it, but before she leaves, she does

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something incredibly dramatic. It feels like

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a scene from a movie. It really does. She took

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thousands of her early works, thousands of drawings

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and paintings, down to the riverbank behind her

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family's house, and she burned them. A bonfire

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of her own art. It was a total clean slate, a

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funeral for her past self. She was severing ties

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completely. She was going to America, and as

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she put it, she was going to survive or die trying.

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She sewed dollar bills into the lining of her

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kimono and left. And she didn't just go blindly.

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She had this wild idea to reach out to Georgia

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O 'Keeffe. How does that even happen? It was

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a total Hail Mary pass. She was in a bookstore

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in Matsumoto, found a book of O 'Keeffe's paintings,

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and was just stunned by them. She felt a connection.

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She found her address and just wrote a letter.

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A young, unknown artist from rural Japan writing

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to one of the titans of American art. Seeking

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advice, you know, asking how to make it in the

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art world. And the most shocking part is that

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O 'Keefe wrote back. That's amazing. It is. O

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'Keefe was very kind, but also realistic. She

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warned Kusama that it was incredibly hard for

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artists in America to make a living, especially

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for a woman and a foreigner at that. But she

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didn't say don't come. No. And that correspondence

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gave Kusama the courage she needed. It was a

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lifeline. And O 'Keefe became a sort of mentor.

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Later on, when Kusama was in New York and basically

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starving, O 'Keeffe convinced her own art dealer

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to buy some of Kusama's work just to save her

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from financial ruin. That's a true act of solidarity.

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So 1957, she arrives in the U .S., first Seattle

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for a year, then the big move to New York City

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in 1958. And this is the absolute height of abstract

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expressionism. It's Pollock de Kooning Rothko.

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It is a swaggering macho boys club. And this

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is where she creates her first major breakthrough

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works, the Infinity Nets. Let's unpack what those

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are because they aren't the pumpkins yet. No,

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no pumpkins yet. These were paintings, but they

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were enormous. I mean, some canvases were 30

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feet long, just these vast fields of color. And

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they were just. covered in tiny loops of paint

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entirely covered in these small repeated web

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-like loops or nets of paint it was an obsessive

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act she would paint for 40 50 hours straight

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without sleeping without eating it goes right

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back to that hallucination of the tablecloth

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doesn't it it's a direct translation she was

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painting the net that she felt was covering the

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universe threatening to obliterate her and the

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critical reception surprisingly was very strong

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Really? In that macho art scene? Yes. The minimalist

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heavyweight Donald Judd, who later became a romantic

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partner for a time, he bought one and wrote a

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glowing review. The critic Herbert Reid praised

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them. She was even the only female artist in

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a really important group show in Amsterdam called

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Null or Zero in 1962. So she's getting critical

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respect. She's in the mix. She's not an outsider

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in that sense. She's in the critical conversation,

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yes. But she's making zero money. She talks in

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her autobiography about being so poor she would

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scavenge fish heads and cabbage leaves from the

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market garbage to make soup. She was freezing

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in her unheated loft. And then we get to the

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theft. This part of the story, I mean, it just

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makes my blood boil every time I read about it.

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It's a crucial turning point. And it explains

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so much of her later breakdown and paranoia.

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We're in the early 60s now. And Kusama moves

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from painting into sculpture. She starts making

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what she called soft sculptures. These are the

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objects covered in the white stuffed phallic

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shapes, right? Exactly. She would take everyday

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objects, an armchair, a ladder, a rowboat, shoes,

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and cover them in thousands of these white phallic

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protrusions that she sewed by hand from fabric.

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And this connects directly back to her fear of

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sex, her phobia. Directly. She called it accumulation.

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She said she was terrified of the phallus, so

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by making thousands of them, by surrounding herself

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with them, she was trying to conquer that fear

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through sheer repetition. It was kind of self

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-prescribed aversion therapy. Okay, so she's

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doing this absolutely groundbreaking, psychologically

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charged work. And then what happens with Clay

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Soldenberg? In 1963, Kusama has a show where

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she exhibits a couch completely covered in these

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phallic shapes. Clay Zoldenberg, who was already

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a very famous pop artist, was in the same group

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show. And what was his work like at the time?

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He was working with hard materials, plaster,

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bubble mache. He'd never made a soft sculpture

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before. I think I see where this is going. He

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saw Kusama's couch. It got all the attention.

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Shortly after that show... Oldenburg debuts his

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first soft sculptures, you know, the giant plush

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hamburgers, the soft telephone. It became his

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signature style, the thing that made him a global

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superstar. And it was Kusama's idea. It was so

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blatant that Oldenburg's wife at the time, Patty

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Musha, actually went up to Kusama at an exhibit

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and apologized. She basically said, I'm so sorry

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I took your idea. Wow. An apology. But that doesn't

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help her career. Not at all. And then it happened

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again with Andy Warhol. Oh, this is the wallpaper

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incident. Yes. Kusama did an installation called

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1 ,000 Boats. She took a real rowboat, covered

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it in her silver phalluses, and then she wallpapered

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the entire room, walls, ceiling, floor, with

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999 repeated silkscreen photocopies of the boat.

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It was the first immersive single -image environment.

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And who came to that exhibit? Andy Warhol. He

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came to the show, was incredibly enthusiastic,

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shouting how wonderful and brilliant it was.

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And just a short time after that, he has a show

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at another gallery where he covers all the walls

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with his now famous cow wallpaper. So you have

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Oldenburg taking the soft sculpture, Warhol taking

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the repeated wallpaper environment. And Kusama's

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just watching this happen. She fell into a deep,

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deep depression. She said she felt her innovations

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were being stolen by these white... male artists

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who were then catapulted to international stardom

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while she was still struggling to buy food. Experts

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who've looked at this, like curator Helene Posner,

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they point directly to the mix of sexism and

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racism in the art world at the time. Of course.

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She didn't have the institutional backing, the

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boys club support that those men got. She was

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this lone Japanese woman doing this incredibly

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strange, intense work. She was too easy to plagiarize

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and ignore. And it's just heartbreaking. She

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was literally trying to work through the idea

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of obliteration and she was being professionally

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obliterated. And ironically. That pressure led

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to her next great innovation. Sewing thousands

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of phalluses was physically grueling. It was

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painful. It took forever. So to solve that labor

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problem, she turned to mirrors. In 1965, she

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created her first infinity mirror room called

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Fally's Field. She filled a small mirrored room

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with her phallus -covered soft sculptures on

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the floor. And suddenly, with mirrors, she could

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create endless repetition, infinite space. Which

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became the precursor to the rooms that everyone

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lines up for today. But back then, she was pivoting

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again. She started moving away from the gallery

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scene. Well, she was so disillusioned, right?

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So she moved into the streets, the era of the

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happenings. This is the late 60s. The hippie

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counterculture is in full swing. And Kusama embraced

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it fully. She started organizing these wild performance

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art pieces in Central Park, on the Brooklyn Bridge,

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even crashing the Museum of Modern Art. And these

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involved a lot of polka dots. And a lot of public

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nudity. A lot of nudity. She would paint polka

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dots on the naked bodies of participants. These

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were often political protests against the Vietnam

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War. What was the connection there? The dots

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and the war? Her idea was that if we were all

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covered in the same polka dots, we lose our individual

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egos, we become one with the universe. And you

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can't fight a war if you're all just particles

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in the cosmos. It was her philosophy of self

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-obliteration made public and political. We have

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to talk about the letter to Richard Nixon. Because

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that is just... unbelievably bold. Chuckles.

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It really is. She wrote an open letter to then

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President Nixon and she offered to have sex with

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him if he would stop the Vietnam War. She actually

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wrote that. Oh, yeah. The quote is something

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like, let's forget ourselves, dearest Richard,

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and become one with the absolute all together

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in the... altogether. It was this mix of genuine

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anti -war sentiment and brilliant self -promotion.

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That is quite an offer. I am assuming he did

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not take her up on it. He did not respond, though.

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But it got her a lot of press. She also staged

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the grand orgy to awaken the dead at the MoMA

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in 1969. Wait, at the MoMA? Inside the museum?

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In the Sculpture Garden, yeah. She led a group

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of eight nude performers, her disciples, into

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the garden. They took off their clothes, stepped

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into the fountain, and started mimicking the

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poses of the famous sculptures by Malol and Picasso

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that were there. It was completely unannounced,

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right? A gorilla performed? Totally. It was scandalous.

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It was meant to be a critique of the stiff, dead

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institution of the museum. And then there was

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the Finesse Biennale in 1966. She wasn't officially

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invited to participate, was she? No, she just

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showed up. This was her piece, Narcissus Garden.

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She got some funding, had 1 ,500 plastic mirrored

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balls made, and set them up on the lawn outside

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the Italian pavilion. And she stood there in

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a gold kimono. Selling the balls to passersby

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for $2 each. $2? Yeah. She had a sign that said,

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Your Narcissism for Sale. It was this brilliant,

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biting critique of the art market's commercialism.

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She was literally selling people their own reflection

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for cash. The organizers must have loved that.

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Oh, they shut her down immediately. Yeah. They

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said, you can't sell art like you're selling

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hot dogs or ice cream cones at the Biennale.

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But the point was made. But while she's making

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all these splashes in New York, getting famous

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as this avant -garde provocateur, the reaction

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back home in Japan was not so great. It was devastating

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for her and her family. The news of her nude

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happenings and orgies reached Japan's conservative

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society. It brought immense shame to her family.

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I read that her high school actually removed

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her name from the alumni list. They did. They

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completely disowned her. She was a pariah. And

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all this time, her mental health was really,

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really deteriorating. Constantly. She was hospitalized

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regularly for exhaustion and overwork. She was

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attempting suicide. And her one real anchor in

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this very chaotic world was her relationship

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with the reclusive artist Joseph Cornell. He

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was much older than her, right? 26 years older.

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It was a very passionate but entirely platonic

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relationship. Her phobia of sex prevented anything

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physical, but they were inseparable. They sketched

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each other, wrote letters every day. He was her

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emotional support. And when he died in 1972,

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she just she lost her footing in New York. So

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1973, she returns to Japan. And this starts what

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biographers call the crash period. It's a complete

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crash. She goes back in ill health, both physically

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and mentally. And the reception in Japan was

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just. The press labeled her a scandal queen.

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She couldn't get her career going again. No.

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She was deeply depressed. She was unable to paint.

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She tried to start an art dealing business and

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it failed. She attempted suicide again. It really

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seemed like her career and maybe her life was

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over. She was largely forgotten by the Western

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art world and completely rejected by the Japanese

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art world. And then comes the decision that changes

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everything. The year is 1977. She finds a doctor

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who is pioneering the use of art therapy. And

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she makes a radical choice. She checks herself

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into the Sewa Hospital for the Mentally Ill in

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Tokyo. And a while later, she decides to stay.

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And she has been there ever since. By her own

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choice. By choice. It provided a structure, the

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safety, the quiet she needed to survive. Her

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studio is just a short walk away. She's built

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a life where she can manage her illness and create

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her art. She says, I fight pain, anxiety and

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fear every day. And the only method I have found

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that relieved my illness is to keep creating

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art. And during those early years in the hospital,

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when the art world had kind of moved on. She

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didn't stop working. She just changed her medium.

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She became a writer. She did. A very prolific

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one. She wrote these shocking, visceral, surreal

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novels and poetry. Books with titles like Manhattan's

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Suicide Addict and The Hustler's Grotto of Christopher

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Street. They kept her creative spark alive when

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painting was too difficult. We should note, though,

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there is a controversy that has come up around

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this literary period. Yes, and it's very important

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to mention it. In her 1983 autobiography and

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some of her other early writings, there were

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some undeniably racist comments about black people.

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It's a really difficult aspect of her legacy

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to reconcile, especially given her whole counterculture,

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love and peace persona from the 60s. Absolutely.

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In late 2023, after these writings came to wider

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attention, she did issue an apology for the remarks,

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expressing deep regret. But it's a really important

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reminder that even figures we view as these progressive

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revolutionaries can hold deep -seated and harmful

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prejudices. Right. It's part of the whole complicated

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picture of who she is. So she's in the hospital.

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She's writing. How does she get from being this

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forgotten scandal queen to being on Louis Vuitton

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handbags? What's the turning point? It was a

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very slow climb back. For most of the 70s and

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80s, she was in obscurity. But in 1989, a retrospective

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at the Center for International Contemporary

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Arts in New York sort of reintroduced her to

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the West. But the really big moment was 1993.

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That was the game changer. She was chosen to

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represent Japan. at the Venice Biennale. The

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very same place she was kicked out of for selling

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mirrored balls in 1966. The exact same place.

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And this time she had her own pavilion. She was

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the first woman to represent Japan with a solo

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exhibition. That brought her back onto the global

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stage in a massive way. And that's when the pumpkins

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really started to become her icon. The pumpkins.

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They are so iconic. Why pumpkins? Of all the

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things in her childhood nursery, why did that

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stick? She's just always loved them. She says

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her grandfather used to take her to the seed

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harvesting grounds and there would be these fields

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of them. To her, they represent a kind of alter

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ego. She finds them humorous, warm, comforting.

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She's called their form generous unpretentiousness.

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And that's when she installed the famous yellow

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one on Naoshima Island in Japan in 1994. Yes,

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the one at the end of the pier staring out at

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the sea. It became this huge. pilgrimage site

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for art lovers it actually got washed away in

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a typhoon a few years ago but it was so beloved

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they reinstated it and from there the commercial

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success just it exploded it did white num 28

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one of those early infinity net paintings sold

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for 7 .1 million dollars in 2014 As of 2012,

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she already had the highest turnover of any living

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female artist. And then, yes, the Louis Vuitton

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collaborations. The first one was in 2012 with

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Marc Jacobs, and then again in 2023. Suddenly,

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her dots were everywhere. On handbags, on storefronts,

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you had George Clooney and ads covered in her

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dots. She became a global brand. But the most

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fascinating part of this revival to me is the

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Instagram era. Her work feels like it was almost

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designed for social media decades before it existed.

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That is the great irony of her late career fame.

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The infinity mirror rooms became these unbelievable

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viral sensations. Museums like the Broad in L

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.A. or the Hirshhorn in D .C. had lines around

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the block with timed 30 -second tickets. For

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the perfect selfie. For the perfect selfie. And

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then you have the obliteration room where visitors

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enter a completely white domestic space and are

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given colorful dot stickers to place anywhere

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they want. It's pure engagement bait. It's interactive.

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It's colorful. But there's a much deeper meaning

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there that maybe the selfie takers are missing.

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Let's talk about that, because her work, these

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rooms, they were created out of a fear of self

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-obliteration. They were expressions of isolation,

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of anxiety, of the feeling of losing your ego

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and dissolving into the infinite. And now people

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use them to perfectly frame themselves, to center

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themselves in a photo. Look at M .E. in the infinity.

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The ultimate act of self -promotion. Exactly.

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Her 1966 piece, Narcissus Garden, was a critique

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of narcissism. Now her work has become the ultimate

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backdrop for digital narcissism. It's a really

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strange and fascinating evolution. So let's dig

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into the philosophy of self -obliteration a bit

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deeper, because it's not just about disappearing

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or dying. No, not at all. She has this great

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quote, polka dots are a way to infinity. What

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does that mean to her? Well, she sees the dot

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as having this dual form. It's the sun, which

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is energy and life, and it's also the moon, which

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is calm and serene. So when she covers a room

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or a body or a canvas in these dots, the individual

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ego, the self, it disappears. You become part

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of the environment. You become part of the larger

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universe. So it's almost a spiritual unification,

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a kind of Buddhist concept of oneness. In a way,

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yes. But it's always rooted in her disability,

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in her mental illness. The curator, Mika Yoshitake,

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made a really great point that these immersive

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works are designed to make the audience sympathize

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with her intrusive thoughts and hallucinations.

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She wants you to feel what she feels. She wants

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you to feel that disorientation, that sense of

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endless, overwhelming repetition. So when we

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walk into one of those mirror rooms, we are,

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in a sense, stepping inside her hallucinations.

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And art becomes medicine. It is her medicine.

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She says she doesn't see art as an end in itself.

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For her, it is a means to address the illness

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that originated in her childhood. It is, quite

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simply, survival. That puts a completely different

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spin on the fun polka dots in the cool mirror

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rooms. You aren't just looking at pretty colors.

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You are standing inside someone's trauma that

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they have managed to externalize to stay alive.

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It absolutely does. It makes the work so much

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more powerful and incredibly poignant. So to

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recap. We have gone from a little girl in a seed

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farm, seeing the tablecloth pattern crawl up

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her arms, to a dark parachute factory during

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a war, to the cutthroat sexist art world of 60s

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New York, to being forgotten and checking herself

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into a mental hospital in Tokyo, and then finally

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to absolute global domination as the world's

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most successful living artist. It is one of the

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most remarkable trajectories in all of art history.

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It's just a story of sheer, unbelievable endurance.

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I can't think of another one quite like it. It

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really is unique. So here's a final... thought

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for you to take with you the next time you see

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a yayoi kusama pumpkin or you see a friend post

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that perfect selfie from an infinity mirror room

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just pause for a second right we see these works

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now as so joyful so colorful so instagrammable

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but knowing what we know now that they stem from

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terrifying hallucinations from abuse from a desperate

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fear of being obliterated Does that change how

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we look at them? It has to, doesn't it? And it

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raises a question. When we engage with her work,

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are we participating in her healing process or

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are we just consuming her trauma because it looks

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cool on our feed? Is it sympathy or is it just

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aesthetics? That's the question. Look a little

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closer at the dots next time. Thanks for listening

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to this deep dive. See you next time.
