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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Today we are opening

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the file on a scientist whose career, well, it

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wasn't really defined by a single flash of genius,

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but by something much rarer. 35 years of relentless,

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methodical patience. Exactly. We're diving into

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the atomic architecture of life itself. And we're

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following the trajectory of Dorothy Crowfoot

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Hodgkin. We're examining the sources surrounding

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the life and the profound work of Dorothy Hodgkin.

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She was born in 1910. And, you know, she remains

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the only British woman scientist to win the Nobel

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Prize in chemistry. Which she won in 1964. That's

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right. And the material we've gathered really

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illustrates a career just dead. dedicated to

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transforming this one technique, x -ray crystallography,

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from a sort of theoretical curiosity into the

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essential method for structural biology. Okay,

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let's unpack that. Our mission here is to really

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get to grips with how a scientist who is often

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working through a debilitating illness and navigating

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I mean, intense Cold War political tensions.

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How she managed to map the precise three -dimensional

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structures of penicillin, vitamin B12, and then

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the big one, insulin. She didn't just study molecules.

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She gave us the blueprints to life -saving medicine.

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That phrase, blueprints to life -saving medicine,

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is exactly it. It's perfect. But before we can

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even begin to appreciate the scale of her molecular

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conquest, we have to establish the... the battlefield

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so to speak the technique it's a technique everything

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hodgkin achieved relied on her mastery of x -ray

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crystallography a technique so complex that it

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took her over three decades and frankly the invention

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of modern computers to fully realize its potential

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So let's nail this down first because it really

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is the foundation of her entire legacy. We know

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the basics. You shoot x -rays at crystals. A

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pattern is created. But for an audience that

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gets the fundamentals of chemistry, what was

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the technical hurdle that made applying this

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to complex biological stuff so revolutionary?

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Well, the initial hurdle wasn't really about

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collecting the x -ray data. That part was, I

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mean, difficult but understood. It was the interpretation.

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It was all about interpretation. When x -rays

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hit the regularly arranged atoms inside a crystal,

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they scatter or diffract. In this diffraction

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pattern, it looks like a series of spots on a

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piece of photographic film. Now, the intensity

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of those spots, how bright they are in their

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location, that contains all the information about

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where every single atom is. So the pattern is

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the key. But how on earth do you go from a flat

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two -dimensional pattern of dots to a, you know,

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a three -dimensional model of a hugely complex

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molecule like a protein? That's the million -dollar

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question. And it requires the most challenging

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step in crystallography, which is solving what's

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known as the phase problem. The phase problem.

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Right. When light, or in this case x -rays, is

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scattered, you can measure the intensity of the

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scattered waves. You can see how bright the spot

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is. Okay. But you lose the information about

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the phase of that wave. And the phase is... Essentially,

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it's the timing or the starting point of that

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wave relative to all the others. So without the

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phase, you have all the ingredients, but you

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have absolutely no recipe for how to assemble

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the molecule. Exactly. You said it perfectly.

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Mathematically, to reconstruct the electron cloud

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of the molecule, you have to sum up a whole series

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of waves. It's a process called a Fourier transform.

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Right. But if you don't know the phase of those

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waves, the resulting map is just... It's garbage.

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It's meaningless. And Hodgkin's genius, her real

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contribution, lay in finding clever ways to determine

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or at least estimate those phases for bigger

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and bigger molecules. And the result of that

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is these three -dimensional contour maps of electron

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density. Yes, which allow you to pinpoint exactly

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where the atoms are sitting. This is why her

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work was so essential. She didn't invent crystallography,

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but you could say she invented the methods that

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made it work for biology. That sets the stage

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perfectly. She was dealing with a structural

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problem, a mathematical problem, and a computational

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problem all at once. And a personal one, as we'll

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see. Let's move into part one then. The Architect

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of Atoms. Her early life and influences, because

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it really seems like her formative years instilled

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the exact kind of detailed pattern recognition

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she would need later on. Absolutely. Dorothy

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Mary Crowfoot was born in Cairo, Egypt in 1910.

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Her parents, John Winter Crowfoot and Grace Mary

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Hood, everyone called her Molly. They were deeply

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involved in colonial administration and later.

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So they were based in North Africa and the Middle

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East. Yes, which meant her childhood was, to

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say the least, unusual. Nomadic, really. The

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sources say she spent a lot of her early years

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separated from her parents, staying with her

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grandparents near Worthing in England. That sounds

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quite isolating. It could have been, but the

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sources suggest a very strong intellectual influence,

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especially from her mother, Molly. Okay, tell

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me about Molly. Molly was a very proficient,

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dedicated botanist, and she really fostered Dorothy's

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innate curiosity. She didn't just, you know,

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encourage an interest in science. She provided

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the critical early tools. At age 10, Dorothy

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was already fascinated by crystals. She was growing

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them. And then for her 16th birthday, Molly gave

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her a copy of W .H. Bragg's seminal work concerning

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the nature of things. And Bragg, of course, was

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one of the absolute pioneers of X -ray diffraction.

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So that gift wasn't just a book. It was a roadmap.

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It was a signpost. It solidified her career path

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almost instantly. She wrote about it years later,

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about the clarity of that moment. But before

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she fully committed to chemistry and X -ray analysis,

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there was this fascinating detour. Into archaeology.

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Yes, which if you look at it structurally, it

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looks exactly like her later scientific work.

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It's incredible. Tell us about that. This feels

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like a real key to understanding her mind. Well,

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in 1928, at the age of 18, Hodgkin went to join

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her parents at an archaeological site. It was

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Jerash, in what is now Jordan. The site was filled

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with ancient Roman and Byzantine ruins. And what

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was her job there? Her job was incredibly rigorous.

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She was tasked with documenting the Byzantine

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era mosaics from these fifth and sixth century

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churches. And these things are just incredibly

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intricate. So she was essentially performing

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a kind of pre -chemical structural analysis.

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Precisely. She spent over a year creating these

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precise, measured scale drawings of incredibly

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complex and often fragmented floor patterns.

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Piece by piece. Piece by piece. Tessera by tessera.

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It requires an intense, almost obsessive focus

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on pattern. on detail, on symmetry, and on reconstruction

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from partial data. She was decoding the blueprint

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of ancient stones. Yes, which required the exact

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same mental muscle she would later use to decode

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electron density maps. She even did chemical

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analyses on the little glass tesserae to understand

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their composition. The sources say she enjoyed

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it so much, she actually considered switching

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to archaeology for good. That's a profound thought,

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isn't it? The greatest structural chemist of

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her generation almost became an archaeologist.

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It's an amazing sliding doors moment. But thankfully

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for science, she stepped with chemistry, though

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she still had to overcome these early institutional

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barriers. Right. The entry requirements for university.

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She did. Her school, the Sir John Lehman Grammar

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School, it didn't teach Latin. And back then,

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Latin was a non -negotiable requirement for getting

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into Oxford or Cambridge. So what did she do?

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Her headmaster had to personally give her private

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Latin tuition so she could pass the entrance

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exam. It just highlights how arbitrary and frankly

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gendered the hurdles were for aspiring female

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scientists at that time. But she cleared them.

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She got into Somerville College at Oxford in

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1928 and graduated in 1932 with a first class

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honors degree in chemistry. And she was one of

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only three women at the institution to achieve

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that distinction at the time. A huge achievement.

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But the real scientific revolution for her started

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when she left Oxford. When she went to Cambridge.

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That's right. She immediately went to Cambridge

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to start her Ph .D. at Newnham College under

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a man named John Desmond Bernal. He was often

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known simply as the sage. And Bernal wasn't just

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your supervisor, was he? No. He was a catalyst

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for her entire worldview, scientifically, politically,

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and personally. They were lovers for a time before

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her marriage. So how deep was his influence and

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why was he so pivotal for her research? Bernal...

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was a visionary he was one of the few people

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who believed that x -ray crystallography could

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be applied not just to simple salts or minerals

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but to the massive complicated machinery of life

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itself proteins which was a very controversial

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idea at the time most people thought proteins

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were just biological sludge A lot of chemists

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did, yes. They thought they were too irregular,

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too amorphous to ever form crystals suitable

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for X -ray diffraction. Bernal thought differently.

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He did. And Hodgkin worked with him on the technique's

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very first application to a crystalline protein,

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pepsin. Pepsin's a digestive enzyme. Bernal took

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the initial, very rough X -ray photographs. And

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what did those first pictures show? They showed

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spots. Clear, defined diffraction spots. This

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was a moment of utter revelation. It proved they

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weren't just goo. It proved definitively that

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protein molecules were orderly, three -dimensional

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structures with repeating internal patterns.

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They weren't amorphous at all. Hodgkin is credited

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with extending this foundational work, and that

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moment, the pepsin experiment, that was a birth

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certificate of structural biology as a discipline.

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It's incredible. She was there at the very beginning

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of the field she would later come to dominate.

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And yet she eventually returned to Oxford, which

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became her scientific home for the rest of her

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life. She did. In 1933, she was awarded a research

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fellowship by Somerville College. She went back

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the next year, set up a small lab, started teaching

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chemistry. And by 1936, she was appointed the

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college's first fellow and tutor in chemistry,

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a position she held for over 40 years. That stability

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must have been crucial. It was. That stability

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at Oxford allowed her to focus on the long, decade

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-spanning projects that would come to define

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her entire career. And before we leave this crucial

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period, we have to acknowledge this really unlikely

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academic connection she forged in the 1940s,

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a relationship that crosses the, well, the great

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political chasm of modern Britain. It's one of

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the great historical footnotes, isn't it? Margaret

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Roberts. Who would later become Margaret Thatcher.

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That's the one. She was Hodgkin's undergraduate

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student from 1943 to 1947, and Hodgkin had a

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profound effect on Thatcher's scientific training.

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The ultimate Tory prime minister learning chemistry

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from a committed, lifelong socialist. What does

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that tell us about their professional dynamic?

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I think it speaks volumes about mutual respect

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in the pursuit of knowledge. Hodgkin was a lifelong

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Labor Party supporter. Her husband was even in

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the Communist Party for a while. And Thatcher,

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well, she became the figurehead of modern conservatives.

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That complete political opposition. And yet Thatcher

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held Hodgkin in such high regard that years later

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she commissioned a portrait of her. and hung

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it prominently in her Downing Street office.

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Wow. They may have disagreed fundamentally on

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how society should be governed, but they absolutely

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agreed on the fundamental rigor of science. It's

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a powerful testament to the idea that scientific

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truth can sometimes transcend political ideology.

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That sets the stage perfectly for the paradoxes

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in her later life, which we'll get to when we

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cover her peace activism. But first, let's jump

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into the actual core breakthroughs. Part two,

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the core discoveries, charting the path from

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steroids to the Nobel Prize. Her journey really

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began with her PhD research on sterols, which

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are a class of steroids. After she earned her

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PhD in 1937, she just kept going with this work.

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And by 1945, working very closely with C .H.,

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Harry Carlyle, she achieved her first major structural

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success. Which was the structure of cholesterol

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iodide. That's it. So why was that particular

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structure so important? Because it was the first

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ever three -dimensional biomolecular structure

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of a steroid determined using X -ray. crystallography.

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Steroids are these complex, bulky molecules,

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you know, hormones like testosterone, cholesterol.

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Right. And successfully mapping the full 3D geometry

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of one of them demonstrated to the entire scientific

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community that X -ray crystallography was a viable

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tool for complex organic compounds. It proved

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the method had graduated from simple salts to,

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you know, biologically relevant molecules. And

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the very next molecule she tackled was immediately

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relevant to the global conflict that was underway

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at the time, penicillin. The urgency couldn't

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have been higher. This was during World War II.

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The life -saving potential of penicillin was

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obvious, but to manufacture it, to modify it,

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you had to know its exact structure. It became

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a critical, highly secretive wartime project.

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It did in 1945. And Hodgkin and her team, which

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notably included a brilliant scientist named

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Barbara Lowe, they were the ones who solved the

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structure. Now, this is where this specific chemical

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detail really matters. Why was the structure

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so hotly debated? And what did Hodgkin's crystallography

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reveal that finally settled the argument? Well,

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the scientific community, especially the synthetic

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organic chemists, they were completely split.

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The two main proposed structures for penicillin

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had fundamentally different cores. One involved

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a simple thiazolidine ring structure, but the

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other one, which was supported by Hodgkin's data,

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contained this four -membered, highly reactive

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structure called a baloctam ring. And why was

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that so common? Because the ball -lactam ring

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is chemically unstable. It's strained, it's reactive,

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which is precisely why penicillin works. That

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reactivity is what lets it attack bacterial cell

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walls and interrupt their synthesis. Hodgkin's

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structural map confirmed the presence of this

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unstable ring, and in doing so, it proved the

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structural model championed by Robert Robinson,

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who had actually been an initial skeptic. So

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she provided the definitive proof. The structural

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key that told synthetic chemists exactly what

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they needed to recreate and eventually modify

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to produce newer generations of antibiotics.

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That's it. Without knowing that precise spatial

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arrangement, large -scale synthesis would have

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been impossible, or at the very least far, far

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less efficient. And the work was completed in

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1945. It was, but because of the wartime secrecy

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and just the massive amount of data, the full

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publication didn't appear until 1949. And notably,

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it was published under her maiden name, Dee Crowfoot.

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It's incredible to think that the core chemical

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secret of the world's first widely successful

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antibiotic was delivered by her team. And if

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penicillin was groundbreaking, the next target,

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vitamin B12, was her Everest. It truly was her

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structural Everest. This is the work that earned

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her the Nobel Prize, and it was a technical leap

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that Lawrence Bragg famously compared to breaking

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the sound barrier. She started on B12, or cobalamin,

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in 1948. So why was vitamin B12 so uniquely difficult?

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What made it a sound barrier moment? B12 was,

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by a huge margin, the largest, most structurally

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complex vitamin known at the time. How big are

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we talking? We're talking a tangled knot of 181

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atoms, a massive biological structure compared

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to penicillin. And most critically, previous

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attempts to solve the phase problem for molecules

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of this size had just completely failed. The

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computational power simply did not exist to process

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the hundreds of thousands of individual X -ray

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reflections. So the sheer size and the complexity

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were the immediate barriers. How did she bypass

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the phase problem for this monster of a molecule?

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This is where her genius for methodological innovation

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really shone through. She had a flash of insight.

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She realized the molecule contained a single

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heavy metal atom. Cobalt. The cobalt clue. Precisely.

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Compared to all the light atoms that make up

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the rest of the molecule, you know, carbon, nitrogen,

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hydrogen, the cobalt atom, with its high electron

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count, it scatters X -rays much, much more strongly.

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And she used that to her advantage. She used

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it to employ what's now called the heavy atom

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method. Can you elaborate on that method? Sure.

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A heavy atom acts like a fixed reference point.

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A massive beacon inside the crystal. Because

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the scattering contribution of that single heavy

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atom is so dominant, you can calculate its position

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relatively easily. I see. And once you know the

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exact phase contribution of that one atom, you

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can use some complex mathematics to estimate

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the phases of all the rest of the scattered X

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-ray waves. It effectively solves the phase problem

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for the entire structure. That's a profound shift

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in using a chemical feature of the molecule to

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solve a purely mathematical problem. it turns

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a limitation into a huge opportunity. It was

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absolutely revolutionary. It proved that even

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massive biological structures could be forced

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to yield their secrets. Now, the work took years

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of painstaking measurement and calculation, often

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relying on these early punch card computing systems.

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A dawn of computing. It was. But the final resolved

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structure published in 1955 and 1956 was just

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unprecedented. And it was this detailed three

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-dimensional blueprint of B12 that led directly

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to her Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1964. This

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ability to map structures provides the blueprint

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not just for understanding function but for chemical

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synthesis. It fundamentally changed how we approach

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complex pharmaceuticals. Which brings us perfectly

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to the next and longest chapter of her life.

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the quest for insulin. Ah, the 35 -year quest

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for insulin. This is the defining narrative of

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her entire career's tenacity. She received her

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first sample of crystalline insulin from Robert

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Robinson way, way back in 1934. 1934. Yes. And

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the fascination for her was immediate because

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of the hormone's profound and complex effect

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on human metabolism and its direct link to diabetes.

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25 years. That's a career within a career. I

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mean, if she had solved B12 by 1956, Why did

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insulin remain unconquerable for another decade

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and a half? It was pure complexity and computational

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limitation. Insulin is a small protein. It's

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made up of 51 amino acids, and they form this

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complex structure with two linked chains. So

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it's much bigger than B12. B12 had 181 atoms.

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Insulin has many hundreds more, especially when

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you factor in all the solvent molecules in the

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crystal. This complexity just created an impossibly

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dense electron cloud. The math required... to

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perform that Fourier transform on insulin must

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have been astronomical. It was beyond manual

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calculation. I mean, in the 1930s, crystallographers

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used these things called Beaver's Lips and Strips.

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They were small, pre -calculated Fourier coefficients

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to help perform the sums. A kind of manual calculator.

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Exactly. But even for a molecule of insulin size,

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you would need to perform millions of these sums

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by hand. It just wasn't feasible. They had the

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method, but they had to wait for the technology

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to mature. So the true breakthrough in 1969 wasn't

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some sudden chemical insight, but rather the

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necessary symbiosis between fundamental science

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and technological advancement. The arrival of

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high -speed digital computing. Absolutely. The

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mid to late 1960s saw that necessary leap in

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computing power and also refinement of the X

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-ray techniques themselves. This finally allowed

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Hodgkin and her large international team to tackle

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the mountain of calculations required to solve

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the phase problem and generate the accurate electron

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density maps. And in 1969, they did it. By 1969,

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they published the 3D structure of the insulin

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hexamer. The quest was over. And the impact of

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finally having that blueprint must have been

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enormous for diabetes research. It was instrumental

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on two major fronts. First, just understanding

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the structure allowed pharmaceutical companies

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to refine their methods for the mass production

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of naturally derived insulin. But second, and

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far more critical in the long run, the structure

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provided the precise location of every single

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atom. Scientists could then rationally alter

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the molecule structure. They could mutate amino

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acids or change the crystallization solvent to

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create improved drug options. Like longer acting

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or faster acting insulins. Exactly. For both

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type 1 and type 2 diabetes patients. She continued

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to work on this, advising laboratories all over

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the world, cementing her commitment to the real

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world application of structural science. For

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science was never siloed, was it? And that brings

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us naturally to the profound and sometimes challenging

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political dimensions of her life. Indeed. We've

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already established her lifelong commitment to

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the Labor Party, which contrasted so sharply

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with her famous former student Margaret Thatcher.

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But the political environment she operated in,

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particularly during the Cold War, placed her

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in frequent conflict with Western governments.

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And her husband, Thomas Hodgkin, he was an eminent

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historian. He was part of this narrative as well.

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Thomas was an intermittent member of the Communist

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Party. He spent significant time abroad, particularly

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in West Africa, advising figures like Ghana's

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President Kwame Nkrumah. And that association,

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combined with Dorothy's own deeply held beliefs

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about peace and social equality, drew the suspicion

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of U .S. authorities. It did. And this suspicion

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had very real, punitive consequences for her

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scientific life. Oh, absolutely. Due to her political

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activities and her husband's associations, the

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U .S. government banned her from entering the

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country in 1953. 1953. Imagine that. A scientist

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on the absolute cusp of the B -12 breakthrough

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barred from attending essential international

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conferences. For subsequent visits, she was only

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granted entry through a special CIA waiver. That

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puts into sharp relief the challenges faced by

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scientists trying to maintain international collaboration

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during the height of the Cold War. She was, in

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effect, a scientific bridge builder operating

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under continuous surveillance. That's the perfect

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description. Hodgkin deliberately and actively

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maintained her scientific contacts across the

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Iron Curtain. She had deep connections with crystallographers

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at the Institute of Crystallography in Moscow.

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She visited India regularly, and she established

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a really powerful relationship with a Chinese

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group who were also working on insulin. How often

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did she go to China? She visited China seven

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times between 1959 and 1993. That takes some

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serious commitment. especially given the geopolitical

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climate of the time. Her commitment to global

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science was unwavering. There is a particularly

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powerful anecdote from 1971. The Chinese group,

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who had been working in complete isolation, they

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had independently solved the structure of insulin.

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Wow. And for a moment, they'd achieved a resolution

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even higher than Hodgkin's own team. And Hodgkin,

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she recognized the brilliance of their achievement

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and worked tirelessly to try and integrate them

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into the global scientific community. But the

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political barrier... were just too high, even

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for a Nobel laureate. She served as president

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of the International Union of Crystallography

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from 1972 to 75, but she was unable to persuade

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the political authorities in China to allow their

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scientists to become members of the union or

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to attend its international meetings. So the

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data was shared. But the human connection was

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restricted. It was. It really shows the limits

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of science as a diplomatic tool when it's faced

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with hard state policy. And her motivation for

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all this, it was clearly fueled by the social

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conscience she inherited from her mother. That

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social conscience drove her profound concern

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about social inequalities and increasingly the

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devastating threat of nuclear war. This led her

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into what was really a major second career in

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peace activism. As president of the Pugwash Conferences.

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She served as president of the Pugwash Conference

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on Science and World Affairs from 1976 all the

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way to 1988. And the Pugwash conferences were

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crucial for bringing scientists from East and

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West together to discuss arms control. Her leadership

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there must have been incredibly valuable, given

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her established connections in Moscow and Beijing.

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Her integrity gave her credibility across all

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ideological lines. Her dedication to peace and

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disarmament was recognized in 1987 when she accepted

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the Lenin Peace Prize from the Soviet government.

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That's a significant honor. It was, and it came

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just a year before the signing of the Intermediate

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-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, which dramatically

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reduced the risk of nuclear confrontation in

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Europe. We should also briefly touch upon one

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highly unusual political entanglement that sort

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of underscores the risk of operating in these

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politically charged environments. The anecdote

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involving the Romanian dictator's wife. It's

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a layer of nuance that highlights the, well,

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the fraught reality of international scientific

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diplomacy. In her early 70s, Hodgkin agreed to

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write a foreword for an English edition of a

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scientific book. What was the book? It was titled

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Stereospecific Polymerization of Isoprene, and

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the book was published as the work of Elena Sulescu,

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the wife of Romania's communist dictator, Nicolae

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Hiescu. Hodgkin wrote positively about the author's

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outstanding achievements. But the reality was

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far less savory. Much less. After the overthrow

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of the Sayasu regime in 1989, it was completely

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exposed that Elena Sayasu's scientific credentials

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were entirely fraudulent. The work was ghostwritten

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for her by others. So Hodgkin was used. It was

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an incident that illustrated how political figures

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sometimes exploit the credibility of true scientists

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like Hodgkin for legitimacy. She was ultimately

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a brilliant but perhaps, you know, politically

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naive diplomat who just believed in universal

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human contact. It shows that even the most grounded

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scientists can get caught up in the machinations

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of global politics. Now let's pivot sharply to

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part four, resilience and recognition, because

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all these monumental achievements, the decades

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of calculation, the global travel, the political

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maneuvering, they were all accomplished while

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she battled a crippling physical adversary. This

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is perhaps the most humbling part of her story,

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her battle with rheumatoid arthritis. She was

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diagnosed at just 24 years old in 1934. The condition

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caused immense pain. aggressive swelling, and

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eventually distortion in her hands and feet.

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For a scientist whose entire life was defined

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by the precise manipulation of delicate crystals,

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fine instruments, and careful positioning of

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x -ray cameras, that diagnosis must have been

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just... It was an immediate physical obstacle

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to her work. The sources recount this particularly

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powerful, almost poignant image of her in the

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lab. What was that? Due to the increasing stiffness

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and deformity of her hands, she struggled to

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operate the main electrical switch on the x -ray

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equipment, a simple action that you'd need to

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do countless times a day. And what did she do?

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She didn't stop. Instead of abandoning the work,

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she improvised. She constructed a specific lever

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mechanism that allowed her to operate the switch

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using her shoulder or forearm, compensating for

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the lack of fine motor control in her hands.

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That image, the future Nobel laureate having

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to engineer a tool just to operate the tool that

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would unlock the structures of life, it's a symbol

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of her fierce determination. Her condition continued

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to worsen over time, didn't it, leading to severe

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deformities and the necessity of using a wheelchair

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in her later years. And yet her scientific output

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never ceased. Her persistence was absolute. She

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remained scientifically active, traveling the

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globe, mentoring students right up until her

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death in 1994. Her personal story of resilience

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is just inextricably linked to her scientific

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accomplishments. That incredible persistence

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was naturally matched by the magnitude of the

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honors she received. They truly reflected her

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global and historical impact. The Nobel Prize

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in Chemistry in 1964 for her work on vitamin

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B12 was, of course, the highest possible scientific

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honor. But the recognition went far beyond the

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academic community. In 1965, she was appointed

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to the Order of Merit. Which is a very rare personal

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distinction granted by the reigning British monarch

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for exceptional service. She was only the second

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woman ever to receive it. And she broke another

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significant gender barrier at the Royal Society

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later on. She did. In 1976, she became the first

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woman ever to receive the prestigious Copley

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Medal from the Royal Society, a highly respected

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award established way back in 1731. That's a

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big deal. It recognized her overall achievement

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in structural biology and placed her in the company

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of historical giants like Darwin and Einstein.

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She accumulated a long list of other major honors

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as well, didn't she? Absolutely. The Royal Medal

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in 1956, the Lomonosov Gold Medal from the Soviet

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Academy of Sciences in 1982, the Dalton Medal

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in 1981. The list goes on. Institutionally, she

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also served as chancellor of the University of

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Bristol from 1970 to 1988. And circling back

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to the Royal Society. Right. In 1982, she was

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the first woman fellow of the society to have

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her portrait included in their permanent collection.

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Let's talk about her nomenclature for a second

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because her various names, Crowfoot, Crowfoot

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Hodgkin, Hodgkin, they reflect the historical

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changes in how professional women were recognized

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at the time. It's a fascinating historical marker.

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Initially, she published exclusively as Dorothy

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Crowfoot. It wasn't until 1949, 12 years after

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her marriage, that she was persuaded to include

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her married name for her contribution to a book

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chapter on penicillin. And today. Today, different

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institutions use slightly different names. The

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Royal Society's celebrated fellowship is just

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named the Dorothy Hodgkin Fellowship, while others,

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like the National Archives, use her full maiden

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and married names. Dorothy Mary Crowfoot Hodgkin.

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It shows the complex transition in professional

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identity for women marrying during that era.

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But her most enduring legacy is perhaps not in

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the names on awards or publications, but in the

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institutional support she inspired for future

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scientists who are facing similar hurdles. That

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is the most profound part of her influence, I

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think. The Royal Society's Dorothy Hodgkin Fellowship

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is designed specifically to support outstanding

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early career scientists who require a flexible

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working pattern due to personal circumstances.

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So things like parenting or caring responsibilities.

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Or, most poignantly, health -related reasons.

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It recognizes that brilliant science doesn't

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happen in a vacuum of perfect health or domestic

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support. It institutionalizes the recognition

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of the exact barriers she had to navigate throughout

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her entire life. It ensures that her legacy is

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not just about the molecules she mapped, but

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about the conditions under which structural science

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can thrive for everyone. And finally, Britain

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has commemorated her twice on stamps, placing

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her alongside true scientific titans. In 1996,

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as one of five women of achievement, and then

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again in 2010. Yes, and the 2010 set was particularly

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significant. It was celebrating the Royal Society's

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350th anniversary, and she was the only woman

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featured in a set of 10 stamps honoring the society's

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most illustrious members. Placing her permanently

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alongside figures like Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle,

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and Ernest Rutherford. A remarkable testament

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to a truly impactful life. So what does this

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all mean? Our deep dive into Dorothy Hodgkin

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reveals a scientist whose genius, I think. really

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lay in her structural patience and her methodological

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innovation. She took X -ray crystallography and

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by overcoming the mathematical and the computational

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limitations. From the heavy atom method on B12

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to waiting decades for computers to be able to

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solve insulin. Right. She provided the essential

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blueprints for these life -saving molecules.

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And she did all of this while navigating a crippling

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illness and the treacherous ideological lines

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of the Cold War. Her 35 -year pursuit of insulin

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is the ultimate lesson, isn't it? She began with

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a question in 1934 that was, for all intents

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and purposes, technically unsolvable. The solution

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was unlocked in 1969, not by a sudden change

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in chemical understanding, but by the relentless

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refinement of technique coupled with the arrival

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of necessary computational power. It was a victory

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of enduring vision and really faith in technology.

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It was. And that leads us to our final provocative

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thought for you, the listener. Hodgkin showed

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us that the greatest breakthroughs sometimes

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require not just genius, but the humility to

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wait decades for technology to catch up to the

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theoretical ambition. So, which major biomedical

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breakthrough today? Perhaps understanding the

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precise, ultra -high -resolution structure of

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a misfolding protein implicated in Alzheimer's

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or Parkinson's, or modeling the exact dynamics

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of large viral complexes? Which one is currently

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stalled by technical limits, just waiting for

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a modern 35 -year quest of patience and computational

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dedication to unlock its secret? Something to

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consider as you digest this knowledge. Thank

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you for joining us for the Deep Dive. We'll see

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you next time.
