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Okay, let's unpack this. We're going to get into

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a program that so many people confuse with Medicare,

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but it quietly functions as the largest single

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source of funding for low -income health care

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in the U .S. We are doing a deep dive into Medicaid

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today. It's a real cornerstone of the American

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safety net that is, well, it's massive, it's

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essential, and it is always, always being debated.

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It's such a crucial topic for a deep dive, you

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know, partly because its structure is just so

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That complexity, I think, often allows the program's

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actual scope and its real social impact to get

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buried under these simplified political talking

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points. Right. But when you actually strip all

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that away, we just look at the raw scale of it.

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The program is a true financial and demographic

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behemoth in the U .S. That scale is the first

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thing that just jumps out at you. We're not talking

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about some small niche program here. This is

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a system that's jointly run by the federal and

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state governments. And in 2023, it carried a

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total annual cost of, well. A mind -boggling

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$870 billion. An incredible number. To put that

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in perspective for you, that's larger than the

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GDP of most countries on Earth. And that immense

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spending covers a colossal number of people.

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We're talking 85 million low -income and disabled

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individuals enrolled as of 2022. Wow. But, you

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know, beyond just the sheer size of it, think

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about its social significance. If you want just

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one statistic that shows how deeply integrated

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Medicaid is into American life, just look at

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childbirth. In 2019 alone, the program paid for

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half of all U .S. births. Half. That's incredible.

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It is. It's just woven into the demographic and

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the economic fabric of the country in a way that,

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you know, very few other public programs really

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are. So our mission in this deep dive is to move

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beyond those headline numbers and really try

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to understand the inner workings. We want to

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look at the unique funding structure, the high

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stakes policy battles that have really reshaped

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it recently, and critically, the surprising hard

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evidence of its societal impacts. Things you

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might not expect from crime rates to financial

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security. And that structural tension is absolutely

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the key to understanding the program's whole

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history. Medicaid is really defined by this.

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This uneasy collaboration between the federal

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and state governments. The feds provide matching

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funds, often the majority of it. Right. But the

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states have enormous latitude. They get to decide

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on eligibility standards, benefit levels, and

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maybe most importantly, what they pay doctors

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and hospitals. So it's not really one program

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at all. Exactly. Functionally, it's like 50 or

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51 different versions of a national program.

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And that variability is just central to all the

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ongoing political debates and, frankly, the wildly

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uneven quality of care you see from one state

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to the next. OK, so let's start at the beginning.

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Let's get into the foundations of how this massive

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joint venture got started. back in the 1960s?

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Well, Medicaid was established in 1965. It was

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created through the Social Security amendments

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in 1965. And it was a real flagship component

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of President Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society

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programs. And it was created at the same time

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as Medicare, which is where a lot of the confusion

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comes from. At the exact same time. But the objective

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for Medicaid was explicitly tied to poverty alleviation.

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The goal was to help states assist residents

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whose income and resources were just too low

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to pay for private health insurance. So that's

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the crucial philosophical split right there.

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The goal was poverty assistance delivered through

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medical care. That's totally different from Medicare,

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which is a universal social insurance program

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for the elderly, no matter how wealthy they are.

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Precisely. And that difference is most obvious

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when you look at how it's financed. Medicaid

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is a joint federal -state partnership, and it's

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funded through something called the Federal Medical

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Assistance Program. percentages or FM. FMP. Yes.

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And that's basically the federal matching fund

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system that's provided to the states. So walk

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us through how that matching system works. Is

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the financial burden just split evenly down the

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middle? Not at all. And that's the really clever

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part of the design. The FMP system is designed

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to be a kind of fiscal equalizer. It ensures

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that the responsibility for funding health care

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for the poor is shared. Yeah. But it disproportionately

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favors states that have lower economic capacity.

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Okay, so what does that look like in practice?

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Well, the wealthiest states, say a California

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or a New York, they receive the lowest possible

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match, which is a 50 % FMAP, so the 50 -50 split.

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But poorer states get a much larger federal match.

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The federal government carries a greater financial

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burden in those areas, sometimes up to 75 percent

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or for certain populations, even higher. I see.

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So the structure is meant to acknowledge that

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while health care costs are pretty much universal,

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a state's ability to pay for them is absolutely

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not. It tries to create a minimum floor of coverage

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across the whole country. That's the idea. The

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FMAP is the essential bargain. States agree to

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provide a baseline of care, and in return, the

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federal government heavily subsidizes the cost,

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especially for the states that can least afford

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it on their own. But what does this mean for

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state budgets? I mean, this has to create huge

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pressure. Enormous pressure. On average, states

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spend about 16 .8 percent of their own general

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funds directly on their share of Medicaid. But

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when you factor in that massive federal match

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and you count the total program spending, Medicaid

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ends up consuming about 22 percent of a state's

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entire budget. A fifth of the entire state budget.

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Yep. And that reliance means that any small change

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in federal rules or matching rates can have these

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immediate and severe ripple effects on state

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treasuries and on other state services like education

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or infrastructure. Given that kind of financial

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strain, it's almost unbelievable that state participation

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is technically voluntary. It is a historical

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quirk, yes. States are not legally required to

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participate. But because of the overwhelming

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financial leverage, you know, the promise of

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this huge pot of federal money for a politically

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essential program, all states have participated

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since 1982. Arizona was the last state to finally

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join. So they can't really say no. In effect,

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no. A state really can't abandon its low -income,

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disabled, and elderly residents without the financial

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stability that the FMAP provides. And here's

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where it gets really interesting and I think

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surprising for a lot of people, the spending

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disparity. There are massive, massive differences

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in costs, depending entirely on which group of

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enrollees you're talking about. This is absolutely

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critical. When we throw around the average annual

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cost per enrollee, which is somewhere around

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$7 ,600, that number hides this incredible variation.

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You have to look at the eligibility groups. Look

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at children, for instance. They make up the largest

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group of enrollees, about 37 % of the total in

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the 2021 data. And their cost is, what, minimal

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compared to the overall budget? Exactly. Children

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account for only 15 % of the total spending.

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Their average annual cost is only about $3 ,000

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per person. They tend to need preventive care,

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immunizations, standard checkups, which are all

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relatively low cost. OK, so now contrast that

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with the high cost categories. You mentioned

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seniors and disabled persons. Right. That population,

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the aged and the disabled, they are what drives

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the immense costs of the program. I can imagine.

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They absolutely do. Even though they only make

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up about 21 percent of the total enrollees, they

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account for a staggering 52 percent of all Medicaid

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spending. Over half the budget for just a fifth

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of the people. That's right. Their average cost

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per person is substantial over $18 ,000 back

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in 2021. And that's because this group relies

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on Medicaid for these critical high intensity

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services that Medicare or commercial insurance

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often just won't cover. Things like chronic disease

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management, specialized disability services and

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the big one, long term services and supports

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or LTSS, which are. incredibly expensive. So

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understanding that huge cost distribution is

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really the key to understanding why any structural

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changes to Medicaid usually involve these really

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painful policy battles that center on services

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for the aged and disabled. It's always where

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the fight is. All right. So let's transition

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from the sort of static structure to the dynamic

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and often brutal world of policy battles. The

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history of Medicaid in the last decade or so

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has really been defined by two huge legislative

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events. The expansion under the Affordable Care

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Act and then the structural changes and cuts

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that were proposed in the 2025 reforms. Let's

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start with the Affordable Care Act, the ACA,

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signed back in 2010. This was intended to be

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the primary way to achieve something close to

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universal health coverage in the U .S., specifically

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by extending Medicaid eligibility. The original

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ACA mandate was, I mean, it was truly sweeping.

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The idea was to expand coverage to anyone earning

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up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level.

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And that was regardless of their traditional

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category, like whether they had a disability

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or were a parent. What was the financial carrot

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they offered states to accept this enormous expansion?

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The initial federal funding promise was unprecedentedly

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generous. The federal government pledged to cover

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100 percent of the cost for this newly covered

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population. These are the low income, able bodied

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adults who never had a path to coverage before.

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That 100 percent match would run from 2014 through

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2016. 100 percent. So the states paid nothing

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for this. group initially. Nothing. And then

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that match rate was set to phase down, but only

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to a permanent rock solid 90 percent federal

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share by 2020 and for all the years after. So

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for states that were used to paying 25 percent,

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maybe even 50 percent of traditional Medicaid

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costs, only having to pay 10 percent for this

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huge new population was a massive financial draw.

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It was essentially a blank check from the federal

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government for states to cover their poorest

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residents. But that overwhelming incentive hit

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a legal wall in 2012. Yes, it did. The Supreme

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Court ruling in NFIB v. Sebelius, the court held

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that threatening to withdraw all of the state's

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pre -existing Medicaid funding if they refused

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the expansion was unconstitutionally coercive.

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A huge deal. A monumental ruling. It effectively

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stripped the federal government of its enforcement

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power and critically made the expansion optional

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for states. And that one decision created the

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fundamental political divide we still see today.

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Many Republican controlled states chose to refuse

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the expansion. And that refusal gave birth to

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what we call the coverage gap, which is one of

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the most, I think, frustrating failures of the

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American health system. The coverage gap is.

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It's a structural absurdity created entirely

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by that Supreme Court ruling. See, the ACA was

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designed with these overlapping layers of assistance.

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You had Medicaid for the very poorest, which

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was intended to go up to 138 percent of the poverty

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level. And then you had federal subsidies, tax

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credits for private insurance for people above

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100 percent of the poverty level. So there was

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supposed to be no gap. If a state refused to

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expand Medicaid, what happened to the people

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whose income fell into that dead zone? You know,

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between their state's old stingy eligibility

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limits and that 100 percent FPL threshold for

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help on the marketplace. They were left completely

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stranded. These are individuals who make too

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much money to qualify under the old pre -ACA

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Medicaid rules, which in some states were incredibly

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restrictive. But they made too little money below

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100 percent FPL to qualify for any federal subsidy

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to buy private insurance. they end up with absolutely

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no affordable options. The source material we

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looked at gives a really stark example of just

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how restrictive those pre -ACA rules were in

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some of these states. Can you kind of illustrate

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that disconnect? Certainly. Let's take a state

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like Kansas before expansion. A non -disabled

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adult with children might only qualify for Medicaid

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if their income was below 32 % of the federal

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poverty level. 32 %? That's practically nothing.

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It's incredibly low. And that left this massive,

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unaddressed gulf from 32 percent of the poverty

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line all the way up to 100 percent, where people

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had no medical assistance at all. It's estimated

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that over half of the entire national uninsured

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population ended up living in these non -expansion

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states. It was a genuine public health crisis

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created by a policy choice. But on the flip side,

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the states that did embrace the expansion, they

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saw immediate and profound benefits, right? Undeniably.

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The data is crystal clear. Among adults age 18

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to 64, expansion states had an uninsured rate

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of about 7 .3 percent in early 2016. That was

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dramatically lower than the 14 .1 percent rate

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found in the non -expansion states. So it cut

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the uninsured rate in half, basically. Pretty

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much. We saw places like Arkansas and Kentucky,

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which historically had some of the highest uninsured

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rates in the country, see those rates plummet.

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They went from 40 or 42 percent down to 9 or

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14 percent in just a couple of years. And there

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was a counterintuitive finding about the private

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insurance markets in those expansion states,

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which I found fascinating. Yes, this is a key

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economic insight. Studies found that states that

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expanded Medicaid actually ended up with lower

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premiums on their private insurance exchange

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policies. The expansion acted like a stabilizer

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for that private market. How does that work?

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Well, by shifting the lower income population,

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which on average has higher health risks and

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uses more services into Medicaid, the private

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insurance risk pool became healthier and more

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profitable. So that resulted in lower overall

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costs and lower premiums for everyone who was

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buying private insurance on their own. It really

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did benefit the entire insurance ecosystem. So

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if the ACA expansion was this big push toward

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more coverage, the political pendulum swung hard

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in the opposite direction in 2025 with the signing

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of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. This legislation

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focused squarely on structural changes, new eligibility

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limits and funding cuts. This act was really

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the culmination of efforts by Republican leaders

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in Congress who had announced these big goals

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of cutting up to $2 trillion from the federal

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budget over the next decade. Now, the stated

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goal was always eliminating abuse or waste, but

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the budget resolution that passed the House proposed

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cutting $880 billion from the committees that

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oversee both Medicaid and Medicare. And this

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act, signed in July 2025, it implemented a lot

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of those proposed reductions. The centerpiece

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of this effort, and certainly the most contentious

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part of the bill, was the mandatory work requirement

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for able -bodied adults. What are the specifics

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of that mandate? The act mandates that able -bodied

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adult enrollees have to work or volunteer for

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80 hours per month. That's roughly 20 hours a

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week, so half -time employment. And they have

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to do that to maintain their Medicaid coverage.

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This requirement is scheduled to begin nationwide

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in 2027. So what's the projected cost of this

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new rule? Not in dollars, but in people losing

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their health coverage. This is where the nonpartisan

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analysis from the Congressional Budget Office,

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the CBO, is particularly significant. The CBO

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estimated that the work requirements alone would

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lead a staggering 11 million people to lose their

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health coverage. 11 million people, that number.

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It demands a detailed explanation. Why would

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a work requirement cause so many people to lose

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coverage, especially when we know a lot of them

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are already working? The CBO analysis gives a

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very clear reason for this. The primary cause

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of coverage loss is not mass unemployment among

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recipients. It's complex administrative hurdles,

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or what the CBO calls red tape. A lot of those

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11 million people either already work enough

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hours or they actually qualify for an exemption,

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you know, due to a temporary illness or caring

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for a family member. But they can't prove it.

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They can't prove it easily. Proving that status

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every single month, navigating a complex verification

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bureaucracy, providing the right documentation,

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or just simply misunderstanding the new rules,

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it becomes an insurmountable barrier to receiving

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care. It's what some people call paperwork poverty.

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They lose coverage because of administrative

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failure, not because they're unwilling to comply.

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And this requirement seems to fundamentally misunderstand

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the economics of the core population that Medicaid

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serves. It completely ignores the reality of

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the working poor. If you look at the Government

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Accountability Office data, the GAO, it shows

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that roughly 70 percent of Medicaid recipients

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already work at least 35 hours per week. They're

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already working full time. Yes. They're the working

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poor. They qualify because their wages are so

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low they can't afford commercial insurance, even

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if they work full time. So the work requirement

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doesn't actually encourage them to work. It just

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adds this substantial administrative overhead

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and the risk of a catastrophic loss of coverage

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to a population that's already struggling. Beyond

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the work mandates, that 2025 act included a bunch

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of other provisions aimed at limiting eligibility

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and controlling funding. Absolutely. The act

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instituted several immediate changes. It requires

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recipients who are above the federal poverty

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level to pay higher fees for their coverage.

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It mandates newer and more frequent verification

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requirements, and it significantly increases

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the frequency of eligibility checks that states

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have to perform on the ACA expansion population,

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which just adds to that red tape problem. And

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there were some politically charged elements

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as well. Yes. Politically, it also prohibits

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Medicaid from funding any nonprofits that provide

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abortion care. And it bans pharmacy benefit managers,

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PBMs, from using what's called spread pricing.

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That's a practice where the PBM charges the state

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more for a drug than they reimburse the pharmacy.

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And then they just keep the difference. What

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about on the funding side? I know the act targeted

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a specific way that states fund their share of

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the cost, these things called provider taxes.

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Why were those targeted? This is the kind of

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political maneuvering that a well -informed listener

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should really focus on. Many states use these

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provider taxes. their taxes levied on health

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care providers like hospitals or nursing homes,

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and then they use that revenue to cover the state's

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portion of the Medicaid match, the FMAP. Because

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it's easier to tax a hospital than to tax the

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general public. It's politically much easier.

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So by limiting how states can use these provider

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taxes, the 2025 Act makes it significantly harder

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for states to meet their required matching funds

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without, you know, politically unpopular tax

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increases. This puts pressure on them to potentially

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reduce services or coverage levels. And finally,

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the bill prompted all these claims about removing

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undocumented immigrants from Medicaid. What does

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the nonpartisan data say about that specific

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element? The claims were largely misleading when

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it comes to federal Medicaid. Undocumented immigrants

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are already ineligible for full federal Medicaid

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benefits, with very limited exceptions for things

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like emergency medical care. Many of them access

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state -funded health programs that operate separately

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from federal Medicaid. So what did the bill actually

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do? The CBO analysis found that the new federal

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provisions primarily risked causing an estimated

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1 .4 million people to lose state -level health

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coverage. This includes undocumented immigrants,

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but it's by effectively pushing states to cut

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those non -federal, state -funded programs. So

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the net effect is still a loss of coverage, just

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not necessarily a purge from the federal Medicaid

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system itself. Okay, so if the policy battles

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of the ACA and the 2025 Act are the big political

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earthquakes, then the actual application process

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for an individual is like navigating a bureaucratic

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labyrinth of technical and financial rules. Let's

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break down the sheer complexity of figuring out

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who actually qualifies because it varies so widely

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depending on where you live and why you need

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help. The complexity starts with this realization

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that outside of the ACA expansion, eligibility

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is fundamentally categorical, not just based

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on income. So you have to fit into a box first.

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You have to be a low -income child, a pregnant

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woman, a disabled person, a low -income senior,

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or a parent of an eligible child. The system

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has to see you in one of those categories before

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it even looks at your income. Precisely. If you

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are a non -disabled, non -pregnant adult without

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dependent children, no matter how poor you were,

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you historically did not fit a category, and

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therefore you were ineligible. The ACA expansion

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was so revolutionary because it created a brand

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new category, low -income adults, period. Regardless

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of parental or disability status, it simplified

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the process for millions. And even the income

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tests are dramatically different depending on

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the category. We have two fundamentally different

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systems at play. MAGI and the SSI rules. And

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these systems really reflect the philosophical

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divide between that new expansion population

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and the traditional eligibility groups. The ACA

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expansion uses what's called modified adjusted

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gross income or MBGI. And this is a crucial simplification

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because it standardizes how income is calculated.

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It aligns with tax rules. And this is the big

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one. It explicitly prohibits the use of asset

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or resource tests. So it's just about your income.

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It's a clean income metric. It makes the enrollment

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process so much smoother. But if you're applying

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under one of those traditional categories, if

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you're a low income senior or a disabled person

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looking for long term care, you face a different,

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much more invasive reality. Right. Those groups,

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the ones seeking help for the most expensive

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kinds of care, they still use eligibility criteria

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based on supplemental security income or. SSI

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rules. And these rules do include very stringent

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asset tests. It's the difference between just

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showing a paycheck, which is MAGI, and actively

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having to prove financial destitution, which

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is SSI. So for traditional seniors and people

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seeking long -term care, there's an asset test.

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How low is that limit? Typically, it limits your

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accountable resources to around $2 ,000 for an

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individual in most states. $2 ,000. So if I'm

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understanding this correctly, for a traditional

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applicant, like a senior, It's not just about

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their income. They have to actively impoverish

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themselves. They have to spend down their entire

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life savings before they can qualify for help.

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That is the grim reality of the SSI model. And

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the asset test is where the complexity truly

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spirals, especially when you're dealing with

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long -term care planning. This brings us to the

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infamous five -year look -back period. Okay,

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what is the purpose of this policy? It was established

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by the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005. It's designed

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to prevent more affluent individuals from transferring

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their assets, giving away their money or their

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house, just before they apply for Medicaid nursing

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home coverage. If you transfer assets without

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getting fair market value in return within the

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five years before you apply, you incur a penalty

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period of ineligibility. Can you walk us through

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how that penalty period is calculated? Sure.

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The penalty is calculated by taking the total

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amount of assets you gifted away and dividing

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it by the average monthly cost of nursing home

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care in your state. The number you get is the

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exact number of months that you are ineligible

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for Medicaid assistance. Okay, so let's use an

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example. If an individual gifted, say, $60 ,000

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to their kids, and the average nursing home cost

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in their area is $6 ,000 a month. That results

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in a 10 -month penalty period. $60 ,000 divided

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by $6 ,000 is $10 ,000. But here is the absolutely

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devastating catch. This is the detail that creates

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a severe human crisis. The penalty period doesn't

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begin until a person has already spent down all

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the remaining assets and drotched below that

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strict Medicaid asset limit, which is usually

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$2 ,000. Wait, so the senior has to first spend

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all their other money, the money they didn't

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give away, to hit that $2 ,000 threshold. And

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only then does the 10 -month clock start ticking,

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so they are simultaneously impoverished and ineligible

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for care. Exactly. The policy leaves elders in

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this profound state of destitution. They have

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zero savings left, yet they are still not eligible

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for Medicaid help for a set number of months.

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They're left with no way to pay the nursing home

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bill. It creates immense hardship for families

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and for the providers. It's a policy designed

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to discourage asset transfer. But the mechanical

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nature of how it works often means the sickest

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and most vulnerable are left uninsured and broke

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during the exact period they need care the most.

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OK, so let's move from who qualifies to who actually

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treats them. The second major challenge for Medicaid

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recipients is just getting. access to care providers.

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And this seems to boil down entirely to the financial

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model. Very low reimbursement rates. This is

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the operational reality of Medicaid, day in and

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day out. In general, Medicaid plans pay providers

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significantly less than either Medicare or commercial

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insurers pay for the exact same services. The

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financial gap is really stark. On average, providers

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only get about 67 % of Medicare rates for primary

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care and maybe 78 % of Medicare rates for other

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services. Which immediately sets up a clear financial

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hierarchy. It puts Medicaid patients at the bottom

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of the priority list compared to other insured

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people. It leads directly to lower provider participation

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rates in Medicaid. It just makes business sense.

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Why would a highly specialized cardiologist,

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for example, accept a Medicaid payment at 67

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% of the going rate when they could get substantially

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more by treating a Medicare? a private patient.

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They have a business to run, and Medicaid often

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becomes the payer of last resort, especially

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in specialties. The ACA actually tried to fix

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this for a little while, didn't it? It did. They

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recognized this crisis in primary care access,

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so a federally funded provision in the ACA temporarily

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increased Medicaid payments in 2013 and 2014.

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It brought them up to 100 % of the equivalent

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Medicare rates, specifically for primary care.

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The goal was to flood the system with accessible

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doctors. And what happened? Unfortunately, once

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the federal mandate and the funding expired,

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most states just chose not to continue the provision.

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They let the primary care rates slide right back

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down to the lower pre -ACA levels. And beyond

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the gap between Medicaid and Medicare, the payments

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vary dramatically, even between neighboring states.

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This just highlights that tension we talked about

00:24:48.769 --> 00:24:51.029
earlier, how state latitude determines the actual

00:24:51.029 --> 00:24:53.490
quality of care a person gets. The state -specific

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variances are huge. It really reflects that 50

00:24:55.950 --> 00:24:58.690
different programs model. The data shows that

00:24:58.690 --> 00:25:00.869
the cost and time involved in complex procedures

00:25:00.869 --> 00:25:03.480
can depend heavily on your zip code. Take surgery,

00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:06.000
for instance. In 2013, the average difference

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.359
in reimbursement for 10 common orthopedic procedures

00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:11.140
between New Jersey and Delaware was over $3 ,000.

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A $3 ,000 difference just for crossing a state

00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.579
line. Exactly. And these large discrepancies

00:25:17.579 --> 00:25:20.579
in payment affect not just patient access, but

00:25:20.579 --> 00:25:23.160
they affect where doctors decide to locate their

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practices and whether they choose to settle in

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a state that has a high Medicaid population.

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Let's shift our focus now entirely to the services

00:25:31.339 --> 00:25:33.460
that Medicaid offers, the services that make

00:25:33.460 --> 00:25:36.099
it such a vital safety net, especially because

00:25:36.099 --> 00:25:38.339
they cover areas where Medicare and private insurance

00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:41.380
leave these gaping holes. The breadth of Medicaid

00:25:41.380 --> 00:25:44.299
coverage is why it is so unique and essential.

00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:46.799
It's especially critical for the population that

00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:51.089
we call dual eligibles or MediMedis. Who falls

00:25:51.089 --> 00:25:53.750
into that dual eligibility category, and how

00:25:53.750 --> 00:25:55.930
does Medicaid complement the coverage they already

00:25:55.930 --> 00:25:58.289
have? These are people who are eligible for both

00:25:58.289 --> 00:26:01.109
Medicare and Medicaid. It's typically low -income

00:26:01.109 --> 00:26:03.809
seniors and younger adults with significant disabilities.

00:26:03.950 --> 00:26:06.089
We're talking about roughly 9 million people

00:26:06.089 --> 00:26:09.369
as of 2013. Medicare covers most of their acute

00:26:09.369 --> 00:26:11.890
hospital and medical care, but Medicaid steps

00:26:11.890 --> 00:26:14.109
in to cover the essential services that Medicare

00:26:14.109 --> 00:26:16.430
generally refuses to pay for. Like what? Well,

00:26:16.549 --> 00:26:19.069
prescription drug costs. For one, though, that

00:26:19.069 --> 00:26:21.549
changed a bit with Medicare Part D. But most

00:26:21.549 --> 00:26:24.990
critically, long -term care. And long -term services

00:26:24.990 --> 00:26:27.869
and supports, or LTSS, that is the single biggest

00:26:27.869 --> 00:26:30.269
area where Medicaid provides essential coverage

00:26:30.269 --> 00:26:32.890
that Medicare doesn't. This is the massive, hidden

00:26:32.890 --> 00:26:35.789
social cost of aging in the U .S. That is correct.

00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.819
And this is why that aged and disabled group

00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:42.299
drives half the program spending. Medicaid covers

00:26:42.299 --> 00:26:44.859
nursing home care and home and community -based

00:26:44.859 --> 00:26:47.000
services for low -income individuals who have

00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:50.119
minimal assets. This benefit is explicitly not

00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:52.339
covered by Medicare or most commercial insurance,

00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:54.680
which usually only covers short -term skilled

00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.220
nursing care after a hospitalization. What are

00:26:57.220 --> 00:26:59.059
the numbers on that? They're massive. Of the

00:26:59.059 --> 00:27:01.960
7 .7 million Americans who used LTSS in 2020,

00:27:02.259 --> 00:27:04.799
about 5 .6 million of them were covered by Medicaid.

00:27:05.470 --> 00:27:08.049
It is the overwhelming primary payer for the

00:27:08.049 --> 00:27:10.150
vast majority of long term custodial care in

00:27:10.150 --> 00:27:12.150
the United States. The social significance of

00:27:12.150 --> 00:27:14.609
that is immense. Without Medicaid filling this

00:27:14.609 --> 00:27:16.970
gap, the burden of long term care would fall

00:27:16.970 --> 00:27:19.490
entirely on families and individuals. It would

00:27:19.490 --> 00:27:21.569
financially destroy them and create massive strains

00:27:21.569 --> 00:27:25.730
on family caregivers. Precisely. Medicaid serves

00:27:25.730 --> 00:27:27.769
as the functional solution for the long -term

00:27:27.769 --> 00:27:30.630
aging crisis in the U .S. It relieves catastrophic

00:27:30.630 --> 00:27:33.170
financial pressure from families, but the program

00:27:33.170 --> 00:27:35.109
itself then has to carry the entire financial

00:27:35.109 --> 00:27:38.329
weight of that $18 ,000 plus per person annual

00:27:38.329 --> 00:27:40.490
cost we talked about. Moving to another critical

00:27:40.490 --> 00:27:43.250
area, Medicaid is also the largest single source

00:27:43.250 --> 00:27:45.170
of funding for mental health services in the

00:27:45.170 --> 00:27:47.450
U .S. This is a lesser known but absolutely critical

00:27:47.450 --> 00:27:50.529
role. Medicaid covers about 15 million adults

00:27:50.529 --> 00:27:53.130
with mental illness. That makes it the largest

00:27:53.130 --> 00:27:55.569
single payer for behavioral health services in

00:27:55.569 --> 00:27:58.650
the entire country. And it covers a broad and

00:27:58.650 --> 00:28:01.490
essential range of services. inpatient hospitalization,

00:28:01.710 --> 00:28:04.650
intensive outpatient counseling, mobile crisis

00:28:04.650 --> 00:28:07.589
services, even peer support programs, which are

00:28:07.589 --> 00:28:09.809
so vital for recovery. And there's a federal

00:28:09.809 --> 00:28:12.230
law that actually mandates equality or parity

00:28:12.230 --> 00:28:14.930
in coverage for mental health, right? Yes. The

00:28:14.930 --> 00:28:16.990
Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act.

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It requires that Medicaid managed care plans

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provide mental health benefits that are equal

00:28:21.769 --> 00:28:24.210
to their physical health benefits. And states

00:28:24.210 --> 00:28:27.369
that expanded Medicaid under the ACA also saw

00:28:27.369 --> 00:28:29.490
corresponding improvements in access to mental

00:28:29.490 --> 00:28:32.250
health care and continuity of treatment. For

00:28:32.250 --> 00:28:35.869
example, a 2024 analysis showed Medicaid covered

00:28:35.869 --> 00:28:38.869
about 41 % of all psychiatric inpatients in hospitals.

00:28:39.190 --> 00:28:41.769
That just demonstrates its central role in acute

00:28:41.769 --> 00:28:44.109
care for mental illness. Okay, finally, let's

00:28:44.109 --> 00:28:46.069
talk about dental care, which seems to perfectly

00:28:46.069 --> 00:28:48.250
illustrate the state -level variation and the

00:28:48.250 --> 00:28:50.369
access challenges we've been discussing. Dental

00:28:50.369 --> 00:28:52.509
coverage is the perfect example of the program's

00:28:52.509 --> 00:28:56.029
bifurcated nature. For children under 21, dental

00:28:56.029 --> 00:28:58.650
care is a mandatory federal benefit. It's under

00:28:58.650 --> 00:29:00.970
the Early and Periodic Screening, Diagnostic

00:29:00.970 --> 00:29:04.690
and Treatment, or EPSDT mandate. And this comprehensive

00:29:04.690 --> 00:29:07.289
coverage includes pain relief, restorative care,

00:29:07.450 --> 00:29:09.769
and maintenance for dental health. But for adults

00:29:09.769 --> 00:29:12.990
21 and older, it's a policy lottery. It is entirely

00:29:12.990 --> 00:29:16.309
optional for states. Many states simply do not

00:29:16.309 --> 00:29:18.769
offer comprehensive adult dental coverage beyond,

00:29:18.890 --> 00:29:22.289
say, an emergency extraction. And even where

00:29:22.289 --> 00:29:25.250
the coverage exists, utilization is incredibly

00:29:25.250 --> 00:29:28.740
low. Why is that? Given the great need for dental

00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:31.099
care among the low -income population, where

00:29:31.099 --> 00:29:33.099
access to preventive care has often been non

00:29:33.099 --> 00:29:35.920
-existent, why is the utilization rate so poor

00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.400
even in states that offer it? It circles right

00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:40.859
back to that provider participation problem we

00:29:40.859 --> 00:29:44.240
discussed. Dentists cite the low reimbursement

00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.500
rates and the complex administrative requirements

00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:48.740
as the primary reasons they don't participate.

00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:51.759
In some areas, less than half of active private

00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:54.519
dentists participate in Medicaid. This creates

00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:56.920
these significant geographic and time -based

00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:59.099
barriers to access, even for children who are

00:29:59.099 --> 00:30:01.660
legally entitled to comprehensive care. A benefit

00:30:01.660 --> 00:30:03.619
on paper is worthless if there's no provider

00:30:03.619 --> 00:30:06.380
to deliver it. So we've explored the scale, the

00:30:06.380 --> 00:30:09.480
politics, the labyrinthine rules. Now let's ground

00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.640
this whole discussion in the hard empirical evidence.

00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:13.599
What actually happens when people gain Medicaid

00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.220
coverage? Does the cost justify the investment?

00:30:16.650 --> 00:30:18.890
If we move past the political opinions and focus

00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:21.450
solely on the empirical studies, the findings

00:30:21.450 --> 00:30:25.470
are overwhelmingly positive, especially when

00:30:25.470 --> 00:30:27.170
you look at long term outcomes and financial

00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:29.809
security. Let's start with the most impactful

00:30:29.809 --> 00:30:33.130
result, mortality reduction. The evidence seems

00:30:33.130 --> 00:30:35.990
to show Medicaid is literally a life saving investment.

00:30:36.309 --> 00:30:39.309
The evidence is conclusive. Multiple peer reviewed

00:30:39.309 --> 00:30:41.430
studies link the Medicaid expansion under the

00:30:41.430 --> 00:30:43.910
ACA to a substantial reduction in mortality.

00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:46.940
And that's driven primarily by reductions in

00:30:46.940 --> 00:30:48.900
disease -related deaths because people are able

00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:51.740
to access necessary timely care. And this benefit

00:30:51.740 --> 00:30:54.400
isn't new. Not at all. It extends throughout

00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.240
the life cycle, reaching all the way back to

00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:58.960
the program's origins. Studies on the initial

00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.440
implementation of Medicaid back in the 60s and

00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.440
70s showed it dramatically reduced infant and

00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.220
child mortality, with a particularly steep decline

00:31:07.220 --> 00:31:09.900
for non -white children who previously had almost

00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:12.359
no access to consistent care. And the health

00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:14.400
effects seen in childhood, they continue to generate

00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.559
dividends for decades. Yes. This is one of the

00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.880
most compelling findings from an economic standpoint.

00:31:20.380 --> 00:31:23.339
Early childhood Medicaid eligibility reduces

00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:26.200
mortality and disability up to 50 years later.

00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.359
It's also associated with a reduced incidence

00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.400
of advanced stage breast cancer, which implies

00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.220
that the increased access leads to earlier detection

00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:38.460
and therefore higher survival rates. The investment

00:31:38.460 --> 00:31:40.380
really pays off over the course of a lifetime.

00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.359
This sounds more like a societal investment than

00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.359
just an expense. Does the government actually

00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.720
recoup the financial cost of covering a child

00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.500
in the long run? Absolutely. This is the powerful

00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:52.799
economic argument that often gets lost to the

00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.539
political noise. Studies show that because recipients

00:31:55.539 --> 00:31:57.839
of childhood Medicaid are significantly healthier

00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.500
later in life, they are more likely to be employed,

00:32:00.740 --> 00:32:02.880
they earn higher wages, and they're significantly

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.299
less likely to need disability transfer programs

00:32:05.299 --> 00:32:08.279
like SSI as adults. So the government saves money

00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:10.559
later on? It saves money and it makes money.

00:32:10.890 --> 00:32:12.849
The government recoups its initial investment

00:32:12.849 --> 00:32:15.730
through savings on later benefit payments and,

00:32:15.829 --> 00:32:18.369
crucially, through greater lifetime tax revenue.

00:32:18.869 --> 00:32:21.529
It earns a discounted annual return of between

00:32:21.529 --> 00:32:24.990
2 % and 7 % on the original cost of that childhood

00:32:24.990 --> 00:32:27.809
coverage. The program literally pays for itself,

00:32:28.049 --> 00:32:30.390
not just in human lives saved, but in fiscal

00:32:30.390 --> 00:32:33.410
returns. Beyond survival and long -term tax benefits,

00:32:33.789 --> 00:32:36.569
Medicaid has a huge and immediate impact on financial

00:32:36.569 --> 00:32:38.849
stability. The evidence on financial security

00:32:38.849 --> 00:32:42.019
is robust, and it's immediate. The ACA Medicaid

00:32:42.019 --> 00:32:44.740
expansion reduced unpaid medical bills sent to

00:32:44.740 --> 00:32:47.960
collection by $3 .4 billion in just its first

00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:50.920
two years. It improved credit scores, it prevented

00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.240
new delinquencies, and it reduced the need for

00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.900
bankruptcy. And furthermore, the expansion reduced

00:32:55.900 --> 00:32:58.200
rates of poverty and severe food insecurity in

00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.940
certain states. It provides this critical, foundational

00:33:00.940 --> 00:33:03.359
level of financial security that allows people

00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.680
to focus on employment and stability rather than

00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.849
drowning in medical debt. Which brings us back,

00:33:07.930 --> 00:33:10.869
frustratingly, to that 2025 work requirement

00:33:10.869 --> 00:33:13.990
controversy. If Medicaid provides this proven

00:33:13.990 --> 00:33:16.869
financial stability, how can supporters possibly

00:33:16.869 --> 00:33:20.210
justify imposing a requirement that seems designed

00:33:20.210 --> 00:33:22.809
to destabilize this population? Well, if we look

00:33:22.809 --> 00:33:25.250
at the real world evidence from when work requirements

00:33:25.250 --> 00:33:27.569
were tried in states like Arkansas, the results

00:33:27.569 --> 00:33:29.890
directly contradict the policy's stated goal.

00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.660
Studies found the requirements led to a mass

00:33:32.660 --> 00:33:35.339
increase in uninsured individuals, soaring medical

00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:37.819
debt, and people delaying necessary care and

00:33:37.819 --> 00:33:40.480
medications. But did it get more people to work?

00:33:40.819 --> 00:33:43.440
Crucially, they found no significant impact on

00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.940
employment levels. The outcome was a catastrophic

00:33:45.940 --> 00:33:48.660
loss of coverage and increased financial distress

00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:51.019
for the working poor, not an increase in the

00:33:51.019 --> 00:33:53.599
workforce. The political message of personal

00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.400
responsibility was achieved, but the actual policy

00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.259
outcome was simply hardship. If we connect this

00:33:59.259 --> 00:34:01.660
to the bigger picture, Medicaid's influence extends

00:34:01.660 --> 00:34:04.140
far beyond the individual patient. It stretches

00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:07.079
into the economy and the political sphere. Let's

00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.039
look at the financial impact on hospitals, which

00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.440
so often struggle with the cost of uncompensated

00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.239
care. The effects on hospitals are not uniform,

00:34:14.420 --> 00:34:17.420
but they are incredibly significant. Crucially,

00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:20.300
Medicaid expansion boosted the revenue in the

00:34:20.300 --> 00:34:23.280
operating margins of rural hospitals. These are

00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.420
facilities that often struggle the most with

00:34:25.420 --> 00:34:29.079
high rates of uncompensated care. Gaining a reliable

00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:31.639
payer, even at the lower Medicaid rates, was

00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:33.699
a financial lifeline that prevented a lot of

00:34:33.699 --> 00:34:36.420
rural hospital closures. But the effect was different

00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:39.840
for larger urban facilities. It was mixed. The

00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.239
expansion had little to no financial impact on

00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.000
small urban hospitals. And surprisingly, it led

00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.380
to declines in operating margins for large urban

00:34:47.380 --> 00:34:50.510
hospitals. This outcome is likely tied to the

00:34:50.510 --> 00:34:53.570
patient mix. Large hospitals saw a shift of previously

00:34:53.570 --> 00:34:56.070
commercially insured or privately covered individuals

00:34:56.070 --> 00:34:58.710
who might have been paying high deductibles into

00:34:58.710 --> 00:35:01.110
the lower paying Medicaid pool. So while it was

00:35:01.110 --> 00:35:03.309
great for the patient, it affected the hospital's

00:35:03.309 --> 00:35:05.590
overall revenue mix. What's really fascinating

00:35:05.590 --> 00:35:07.949
to me is the data that links health insurance

00:35:07.949 --> 00:35:10.969
to reduced crime rates. That's a profound connection

00:35:10.969 --> 00:35:13.690
that few people would make intuitively. It is

00:35:13.690 --> 00:35:16.769
a profound finding, and it demonstrates the holistic

00:35:16.769 --> 00:35:19.170
societal best... benefit of stabilizing a population.

00:35:19.710 --> 00:35:22.030
Studies found that Medicaid expansion reduced

00:35:22.030 --> 00:35:25.170
crime rates, and researchers propose that the

00:35:25.170 --> 00:35:28.750
mechanism involves two main factors. First, increased

00:35:28.750 --> 00:35:31.110
economic security stabilizes individuals and

00:35:31.110 --> 00:35:33.150
families, which reduces financially motivated

00:35:33.150 --> 00:35:36.289
crime. And second, greater access to substance

00:35:36.289 --> 00:35:38.690
abuse or behavioral disorder treatment helps

00:35:38.690 --> 00:35:40.889
address the underlying causes of criminality.

00:35:41.260 --> 00:35:43.519
And this effect also starts in childhood. It

00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.079
does. Extending that timeline, studies found

00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:48.659
that Medicaid eligibility during childhood actually

00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:50.900
reduced the likelihood of criminality in early

00:35:50.900 --> 00:35:53.340
adulthood. It suggests that this early intervention

00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:55.800
has massive generational public safety benefits.

00:35:56.139 --> 00:35:58.340
And finally, access to basic health care seems

00:35:58.340 --> 00:36:01.079
to increase political engagement and civic participation.

00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:04.139
Absolutely. Medicaid enrollment is statistically

00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:06.280
linked to an increase in political participation,

00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.360
specifically measured in terms of voter registration

00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:12.630
and the turnout. When people's basic health and

00:36:12.630 --> 00:36:14.750
financial needs are met, they're more likely

00:36:14.750 --> 00:36:17.369
to have the stability, the time, and the resources

00:36:17.369 --> 00:36:20.550
to engage as active citizens. This connection

00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:22.630
suggests that providing health care can actually

00:36:22.630 --> 00:36:24.809
be a mechanism for increasing civic involvement

00:36:24.809 --> 00:36:27.750
within underserved populations. Okay, here's

00:36:27.750 --> 00:36:29.829
where it gets really interesting. The Oregon

00:36:29.829 --> 00:36:32.920
Medicaid Health Experiment. This is maybe the

00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:34.980
most famous and ironically the most frequently

00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:37.059
misused piece of research in the entire health

00:36:37.059 --> 00:36:39.460
care debate. We need to look closely at its methodology

00:36:39.460 --> 00:36:42.119
and its complex, nuanced findings. The Oregon

00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.639
experiment is so significant because it provides

00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.900
a scientific gold standard for measurement. Back

00:36:47.900 --> 00:36:50.460
in 2008, Oregon had limited Medicaid funding,

00:36:50.619 --> 00:36:53.960
so they used a randomized lottery system to select

00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.219
10 ,000 lower -income people for coverage. And

00:36:57.219 --> 00:36:59.780
that randomization eliminated selection bias.

00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.880
The researchers knew that the people who won

00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:05.019
the lottery were statistically identical to those

00:37:05.019 --> 00:37:07.579
who lost it. This allowed them to accurately

00:37:07.579 --> 00:37:10.039
compare the effects of having insurance versus

00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:12.809
being uninsured. And the controversial finding,

00:37:12.909 --> 00:37:14.710
the one that initially dominated all the headlines,

00:37:14.929 --> 00:37:17.289
was the negative data point that opponents of

00:37:17.289 --> 00:37:19.809
expansion love to cite. That's right. In the

00:37:19.809 --> 00:37:21.550
first two years of the study, researchers found

00:37:21.550 --> 00:37:23.849
no significant improvements in measured physical

00:37:23.849 --> 00:37:26.769
health outcomes. They looked at key biomarkers,

00:37:26.829 --> 00:37:28.809
things like blood pressure, cholesterol levels,

00:37:28.989 --> 00:37:31.409
blood sugar control, and they found no measurable

00:37:31.409 --> 00:37:33.449
statistical difference between the insured group

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and the uninsured group. And that finding was

00:37:36.570 --> 00:37:38.809
seized upon by fiscal conservatives as proof

00:37:38.809 --> 00:37:40.949
that these expensive government programs weren't

00:37:40.949 --> 00:37:43.500
worth it. But that was focusing solely on short

00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:47.380
-term physical biomarkers. The study's true value,

00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:49.980
the part that proponents cite, came from the

00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:52.639
crucial positive findings that proved the program's

00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.679
immediate value in other fundamental ways. Exactly.

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While acute physical health markers might take

00:37:58.659 --> 00:38:01.579
much longer than two years to change, the program

00:38:01.579 --> 00:38:04.480
was immediately valuable in three key areas that

00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.980
fundamentally improved people's lives. First,

00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.179
utilization. The insured group used health care

00:38:10.179 --> 00:38:13.280
services far more often. Hospital use increased

00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.840
by 30 percent, and the number of medical procedures

00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:18.699
increased by 45 percent. People were getting

00:38:18.699 --> 00:38:21.099
needed, planned care, instead of just waiting

00:38:21.099 --> 00:38:23.739
for emergencies. And they were also using preventative

00:38:23.739 --> 00:38:26.059
services, which points to huge long -term health

00:38:26.059 --> 00:38:28.699
benefits down the road. Yes. The insured population

00:38:28.699 --> 00:38:30.739
was much more likely to see preventive care.

00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:33.739
Women were 60 percent more likely to get mammograms,

00:38:33.739 --> 00:38:36.179
and recipients overall were 20 percent more likely

00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:38.099
to have their cholesterol checked. This means

00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:40.619
the system shifted from expensive crisis management

00:38:40.619 --> 00:38:43.239
to much cheaper, more effective prevention, which

00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.119
ensures that long -term physical health benefits

00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.820
are highly likely to show up later. And the mental

00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:50.260
health and financial outcomes were starkly and

00:38:50.260 --> 00:38:52.739
immediately positive. Those with insurance were

00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:55.300
about 10 % less likely to report a diagnosis

00:38:55.300 --> 00:38:57.920
of depression. That demonstrates the immediate

00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.940
psychological relief of having coverage. And

00:39:00.940 --> 00:39:03.500
most importantly for quality of life, the study

00:39:03.500 --> 00:39:05.820
showed a significantly reduced financial strain.

00:39:06.219 --> 00:39:08.440
Insured patients cut in half the probability

00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:10.739
of needing loans or having to forego paying other

00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:13.840
bills just to cover their medical costs. The

00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.099
Oregon experiment fundamentally confirmed that

00:39:16.099 --> 00:39:18.480
Medicaid provides instant, tangible benefits

00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.280
in terms of financial security, access to care,

00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:24.460
and mental well -being, even if changing longstanding

00:39:24.460 --> 00:39:26.739
chronic physical health conditions takes longer

00:39:26.739 --> 00:39:28.719
than a two -year snapshot. So what does this

00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.130
all mean? We've explored Medicaid from its great

00:39:31.130 --> 00:39:33.630
society origins, the complexities of the FMAP

00:39:33.630 --> 00:39:36.469
system through the ACA expansion battles, right

00:39:36.469 --> 00:39:39.389
up to the dramatic 2025 policy shifts. And we've

00:39:39.389 --> 00:39:42.130
grounded everything in concrete data. At its

00:39:42.130 --> 00:39:44.889
heart, Medicaid is a reflection of the U .S.

00:39:44.889 --> 00:39:47.309
approach to poverty and health care access. It

00:39:47.309 --> 00:39:49.349
operates under this constant political pressure.

00:39:49.530 --> 00:39:51.849
You have one side generally supporting expansion

00:39:51.849 --> 00:39:54.489
and comprehensive benefits, while the other side,

00:39:54.510 --> 00:39:57.289
as we saw with the 2025 legislation, is focused

00:39:57.289 --> 00:40:00.389
on structural cuts, eligibility limits, and cost

00:40:00.389 --> 00:40:02.980
control. And the evidence is just overwhelming.

00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:06.760
The program has demonstrated its ability to fundamentally

00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.900
transform lives, increasing employment, reducing

00:40:09.900 --> 00:40:13.300
financial strain, decreasing mortality. And yet

00:40:13.300 --> 00:40:16.619
the policy focus continually returns to erecting

00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:19.099
these barriers to access, as we saw with the

00:40:19.099 --> 00:40:21.579
work requirements that threatened to kick 11

00:40:21.579 --> 00:40:24.460
million people off their coverage. Despite decades

00:40:24.460 --> 00:40:26.940
of research linking Medicaid coverage to profound

00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:29.599
long -term positive effects, including the fact

00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:43.079
that the government For a program that's been

00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.719
proven to save lives and improve financial stability,

00:40:46.139 --> 00:40:48.800
why does the legislative focus repeatedly shift

00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.559
to erecting those barriers? And that raises an

00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.400
important question for you, the listener, to

00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.260
consider. What does the extreme complexity of

00:40:56.260 --> 00:40:59.250
eligibility from... Asset tests for the elderly

00:40:59.250 --> 00:41:01.289
that force them to spend down their entire lives,

00:41:01.449 --> 00:41:04.090
to the punitive look -back periods for long -term

00:41:04.090 --> 00:41:06.750
care, to the burdensome work requirements imposed

00:41:06.750 --> 00:41:09.550
on the working poor, what does all that reveal

00:41:09.550 --> 00:41:12.010
about the underlying, unspoken philosophy of

00:41:12.010 --> 00:41:14.789
public assistance in the United States? It suggests

00:41:14.789 --> 00:41:17.070
a system that is constantly justifying its own

00:41:17.070 --> 00:41:19.449
existence, forcing the poorest members of society

00:41:19.449 --> 00:41:21.590
to prove their need and their moral worthiness

00:41:21.590 --> 00:41:23.969
over and over again, regardless of the clear

00:41:23.969 --> 00:41:26.909
long -term economic and societal advantages of

00:41:26.909 --> 00:41:28.480
simply providing the necessary care.
