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Welcome to the Deep Dive. This is where we take

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that whole stack of sources you give us, the

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articles, the books, the analysis, and we boil

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it all down into the essential knowledge you

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really need. And today, we are going into the

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world of one of jazz's most towering and turbulent

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figures. Charles Mingus, 1922 to 1979. He was

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just this foundational giant, a composer whose

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legacy is a mix of, well, blistering genius and

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equally blistering fury. Absolutely. He was without

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a doubt one of the greatest bassists, composers

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and band leaders of the entire 20th century.

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I mean, not just in jazz, but in music, period.

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His career spanned, what, three decades? Over

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three very turbulent decades. Yeah. And he collaborated

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with basically everyone who was anyone from Louis

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Armstrong and Charlie Parker all the way to Joni

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Mitchell at the very end. So our mission with

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this deep dive is to really pull out the key

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insights. We want to get into his. his explosive

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personality, his really groundbreaking musical

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philosophy. And ultimately, we want to look at

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the architecture of his modern jazz masterpiece,

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the one that was almost lost to history, Epitaph.

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And the sources we're working with here are just

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incredibly comprehensive. We've got deep biographical

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details sitting right alongside some very complex

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musical analysis. Right. And the first thing

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that just jumps out from all of it is that Charles

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Mingus absolutely, fundamentally refused to be

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put in a box. That refusal seems central to everything

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about him. It really is. I mean, you look at

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his career, he starts out professionally and

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he's, you know, firmly rooted in advanced bebop

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and hard bop. But he just immediately starts

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pushing those boundaries. He starts pioneering

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post -bop styles on albums that really changed

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the whole genre. Exactly. Albums like Pythocanthropus

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Erectus in 56 and then, of course, the legendary

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Mingus in 1959. But he didn't stop there. He

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went on to embrace avant -garde jazz. He explored

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these massive orchestral formats. And he made

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huge contributions to what we call third stream

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music. That's right. That sort of formal synthesis

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of classical music and jazz structures. You can

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hear that most powerfully, I think, on The Black

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Saint and The Sinner Lady. That blend is what

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makes his work so powerful, right? It's like

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high art composition mixed with this raw visceral

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heat you get from blues and gospel. But if we

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had to pull out one big picture takeaway, just

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one thing about his musical structure before

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we get started, it'd have to be his approach

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to how musicians communicate. Oh, absolutely.

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His focus on collective improvisation. It was

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radical. So in traditional jazz, you have the

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main theme, the head, right? Then everyone takes

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their turn with a solo and then it's back to

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the head at the end. Right. Very sequential.

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But Mingus wanted something much more dynamic,

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more alive. He demanded his band's function like

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a real conversation or maybe like a New Orleans

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funeral parade. Where everyone is spontaneously

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interacting at the same time. Yes. responding,

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anticipating, exploring the theme simultaneously.

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It creates this sound that's hot and chaotic,

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but also incredibly disciplined at the same time.

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And that demand for discipline, for integrity,

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it often put him in direct conflict with the

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world around him, didn't it? All the time. His

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work was just inherently political. He was confronting

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racism and injustice head on right in the music,

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which made his art a direct reflection of his

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personal struggle. It was an uncompromising voice.

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A voice that often shouted. Yes, definitely shouted.

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Okay, let's unpack this. We'll start at the very

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beginning. Part one, roots, identity, and the

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struggle with tradition. He wasn't from a jazz

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hub like New York or Chicago. No, not at all.

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He was born in Nogales, Arizona in 1922, but

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he grew up in Watts in Los Angeles. And that

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environment, his heritage, it seems to have created

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this incredibly complex foundation. It really

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fueled his sense of being an outsider, which

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you hear in his music his entire life. Yeah.

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His ancestry was this rich. almost impossibly

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intersectional mix. The sources break it down.

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They get very specific. It's German -American,

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African -American, and Native American heritage.

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His maternal grandfather was a Chinese -British

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subject from Hong Kong, and his maternal grandmother

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was an African -American woman from the southern

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U .S. Wow. I mean, that's a remarkable amount

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of cultural background to synthesize, especially

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in the very racially rigid world of early 20th

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century America. Absolutely. And it has to be

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part of why he refused to accept rigid categories,

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musically or racially. But the story gets even

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more complicated when you look at his father's

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identity. This is what he writes about in his

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autobiography. Beneath the Underdog. Yes, that

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sprawling stream of consciousness book from 1971.

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He gives this almost mythological account of

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his lineage, claiming his father was the son

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of a black farm worker and a Swedish woman. But

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there's a psychologically damaging part of that

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story, isn't there? The part about his father

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passing for white. Right. According to Mingus'

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telling, his father, Charles Mingus Sr., was

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raised by his mother and her white husband as

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a white person. Until he was a teenager. Until

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he was 14. And that's when his mother supposedly

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revealed that his true father was a black slave,

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at which point his father ran away. Now... The

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sources say the literal truth of that story is

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maybe less important than the psychological impact

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it had on Charles Jr. Exactly. The uncertainty,

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the sense of a constructed identity. It all points

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to a really profound and difficult reckoning

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with race and with self. And that experience,

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that ambiguity, coupled with the prejudice he

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faced every day, you can hear that volatile energy

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in his compositions. It's music that sounds like

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it's fighting for its right to exist. That's

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a great way to put it. So shifting to his musical

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beginnings, he was drawn to jazz early on, specifically

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Duke Ellington. He was, even though his mother

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was very strict and only allowed church -related

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music in the house. So he was a prodigy from

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the start, but his path was immediately blocked.

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Blocked by the walls of the time, both societal

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and musical. He started on trombone, but pretty

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quickly moved to the cello. And he was very serious

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about it. He wanted to be a classical cellist.

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And that's where he hit the first wall. Why was

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the cello a dead end for him? It was a two -pronged

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problem. First, institutional racism made it

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nearly impossible for a black musician to have

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a career in classical music at that time. It

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just wasn't happening. And the second problem.

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The cello wasn't accepted as a jazz instrument.

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There was just no established role for it in

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a jazz band. So the instrument he loved was professionally

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useless in the world he lived in. That denial,

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that forced abandonment of his main musical voice

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because of race and genre conventions, that must

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have been radicalizing. Absolutely heartbreaking.

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And you're right, radicalizing. The sources note

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that even after he was forced to switch to the

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double bass in high school, his first teacher,

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Red Calendar, said his cello technique was still

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dominant. So he just applied what he learned

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for the cello to the bass? He did. He took that

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rigorous bowing and fingering technique and just

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mapped it onto the double bass. And he didn't

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just teach himself either. He sought out the

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best classical training he could find. The absolute

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best. He studied for five years with Hermann

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Reinjagen, who was the principal bassist for

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the New York Philharmonic. So he had this impeccable

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classical discipline. But the classical world

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still rejected him. It did. And it was personal.

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The sources say that because of a poor primary

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education, he couldn't read musical notation

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quickly enough for the local youth orchestra.

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So he felt ostracized again. Right. He was talented

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enough, he was trained well enough, but a systemic

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failure denied him his place. And that patterned

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denial of his instrument, denial of his seat

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in the orchestra, it became the core motivation

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in his music. His songs weren't just melodies,

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they were arguments for justice. And yet, even

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as a teenager, he was already putting those two

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worlds together. He was writing these advanced

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pieces that were similar to Third Stream. He

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was. That formal blend of jazz and classical.

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It shows the classical training was foundational

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for him. He was using complex structures and

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orchestral thinking in his jazz writing from

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the very beginning. And a lot of those early

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pieces weren't recorded until much later. Much

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later. In 1960, with the conductor Gunther Schuller

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on an album called Pre -Bird. The title itself

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is so telling. Pre -Charlie Parker. Exactly.

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It shows Mingus understood that Charlie Parker

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had so fundamentally changed music that you could

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divide all of jazz history into pre - and post

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-Bird. Mingus knew tradition, but he was always

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looking past it. Which sets us up perfectly for

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part two. The prodigy, the firing, and the birth

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of debut records. By the 1940s and early 50s,

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he's a technical monster on the bass. A total

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dynamo. He tours with Louis Armstrong in 1943.

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He plays with Barney Biggard. And then he has

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this really crucial gig with Lionel Hampton's

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orchestra. Why was the Hampton gig so important?

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Because Hampton recorded several of Mingus's

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compositions. So it gave him a platform not just

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as a player, but as a composer. Then he gets

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huge critical acclaim in the early 50s. With

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that innovative trio. The trio with guitarist

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Hell Farlow and vibraphonist Red Norvo. A huge

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success. But Mingus left that group right at

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its peak in 1951. Why walk away from that? Well,

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it was the same old story. Racial prejudice.

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The sources confirmed that Mingus' race became

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an issue with some club owners. And rather than

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put up with it, he just quit. He refused to let

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anyone dictate his dignity. That volatility,

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that refusal to compromise, it leads him straight

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into his most famous conflict. A Duke Ellington

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incident. 1953. Mingus is subbing in Ellington's

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band. I mean, that's the absolute pinnacle of

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jazz. And his time there was legendary for how

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short it was. Ellington, the smoothest, most

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diplomatic leader in jazz history, had to personally

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fire him. Mingus was one of the only musicians

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Ellington ever fired. One of a tiny handful.

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Yeah. And it was because of his, quote, notorious

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temper. What was the specific fight about? A

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massive backstage blowout with the trombonist

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Juan Tiesel. Teasel was a key longtime member

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of Ellington's band, and Mingus basically challenged

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his authority and it got violent. So Mingus's

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fury couldn't be contained even in the Ellington

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organization. Not even there. It just speaks

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volumes about his character. He couldn't submit

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his ethics to anyone's diplomacy, not even Duke's.

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But he channels that energy right into his next

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project, co -founding debut records in 1952.

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With the great drummer Max Roach. And this was

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a pivotal move for him. It was all about control.

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He realized if he was going to be this uncompromising

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force, he had to control the means of production.

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Precisely. He wanted agency over his own career.

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And just as important to him, he wanted to document

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all these talented young musicians who were being

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ignored by the major labels. But the label's

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most famous release wasn't an unknown talent.

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It was, well, it was a gathering of giants. It

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was the May 15th, 1953 concert at Massey Hall

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in Toronto. You had the Mount Rushmore of bebop

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all on one stage. Dizzy Gillespie, Charlie Parker,

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Bud Powell, Max Roach, and Mingus himself. It's

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often called the last recorded collaboration

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between Dizzy and Bird. An absolutely historic

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night. And there's that amazing little detail

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about the recording itself. Oh, yeah. The technical

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limitations of the recording were not great.

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So Mingus' bass part was barely audible on the

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original live tape. So what did he do? Being

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the perfectionist and producer he was, he took

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the capes back to New York and overdubbed his

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entire bass part in the studio by himself. Wow.

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So when you listen to that classic live album,

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the bass you're hearing was added later. It's

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Mingus, the recording engineer, fixing history

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in post. It's that nature controlled again. So

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while he's collaborating at this incredible level,

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he has this really complicated, almost love -hate

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relationship with Charlie Parker. Oh, completely.

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He revered Parker. He thought he was the greatest

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genius in jazz history. But at the same time,

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he despised the destructive mythology that grew

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up around him. The cult of personality. Right.

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Mingus felt that people were romanticizing Parker's

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self -destructive habits, his drug use, and it

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was leading to all these derivative musicians

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who were just copying the lifestyle instead of

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innovating with the music. and he expressed that

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frustration in one of the greatest song titles

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ever if charlie parker were gunslinger there'd

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be a whole lot of dead copycats. I mean, that's

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not just a title, it's a manifesto. It's a declaration

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of war. He's saying genius isn't imitation. If

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you're just copying Bird, you're missing the

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entire point. And this all came to a really tragic

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head at a club date in 1955. Parker's final public

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performance. It was supposed to be a reunion

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gig with Parker, Powell, and Roach. But Bud Powell,

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who suffered from severe mental illness and alcoholism,

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was completely incapacitated. He had to be helped

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offstage. And Parker, according to the sources,

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just stood at the mic chanting Bud Powell. Bud

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Powell. Almost like he was mocking the whole

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tragic situation. And Mingus just couldn't let

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it stand. He couldn't. He grabbed another microphone,

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interrupted the whole mess, and said to the audience,

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ladies and gentlemen, please don't associate

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me with any of this. This is not jazz. These

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are sick people. And Parker died just over a

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week later. It's just this incredibly stark moment

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that shows Mingus' absolute commitment to separating

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the art from the self -destruction he saw being

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glorified. That desire for integrity, for constant

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development, it leads him directly to his next

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big idea, the jazz workshop. And that's where

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we move into part three, the breakthrough decade.

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The jazz workshop was his answer to what he saw

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as stagnation in jazz. It wasn't really a formal

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band in the traditional sense. It was more of

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a concept. Right. A mid -sized ensemble, usually

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eight to ten musicians, with a constantly rotating

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lineup. Some of the musicians called them the

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sweatshops because of how intense and demanding

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the work was. And what was the core philosophy

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behind it? What was he demanding from them? He

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demanded that they constantly explore and develop

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their perceptions on the spot, live, in the moment.

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They were expected to be co -composers with him.

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So he would conduct them non -verbally? With

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hand gestures, subtle tempo changes. Sometimes

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he'd literally sing or shout a part he wanted

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them to play during the performance. The role

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of just accompanying was basically gone. You

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weren't just following a chart. You were inside

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his head, anticipating his next move. Exactly.

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The whole band becomes this single, living, compositional

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voice. It was really anticipating a lot of the

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ideas of free jazz, but it was always rooted

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in these deeply soulful composed structures.

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It was freedom within his architecture. And some

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incredible musicians came through that. University,

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as they called it. Oh, the alumni list is staggering.

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Pepper Adams, Eric Dolphy, Charles McPherson,

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J .K. Beard. Major figures who all learned how

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to be incredibly flexible, deep thinkers under

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Mingus. And this period of the workshop was also

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his most productive. The output is just astonishing.

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In the 1950s alone, he recorded something like

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30 albums for all the major labels, Atlantic,

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Columbia, Candid, Impulse, just a relentless

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stream of innovation. And the big breakthrough

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from this era is probably Pythocanthropus erectus

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from 1956. This is seen as his first major work

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as a band leader. It was a massive compositional

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statement. He was writing specifically for the

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personalities in his band, like the adventurous

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saxophonist Jackie McLean. And the title track

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is this sprawling 10 -minute tone poem. The theme

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is just epic. It's the rise of man, Pythagoras

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erectus, evolving, achieving greatness. And then

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his eventual downfall and self -destruction.

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It's symphonic in its ambition, but the most

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innovative part was the structure. This is where

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he introduces pure, free improvisation. Yes,

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there's a section of the piece where Mingus'

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only instruction was to improvise freely. No

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theme, no chords, no fixed structure, just explore.

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That was a truly radical move in 1956. It cemented

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his role as this bridge between tradition and

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the avant -garde. This era also brings in his

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most important collaborator, the drummer Danny

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Richmond. Richmond first appears on the 1957

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album The Clown, and from that point on, he was

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Mingus' guy. He stayed with him until Mingus

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died in 1979. What made their connection so special?

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They just formed one of the most versatile rhythm

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sections ever. Richmond could play the deepest,

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swampiest glues grooves, and then on a dime,

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pivot to the most abstract, free jazz polyrhythms

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Mingus could throw at him. And when they were

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joined by the pianist Jackie Beard, they were

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dubbed the Almighty Three. Just a testament to

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the power of that rhythm section. Now, before

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we move on, we have to talk about the most bizarre,

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unexpected detail from this period. The catalog.

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The famous catalog. Yes. In 1954, Charles Mingus,

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the great avant -garde composer, published a

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mail -order guide. It was called The Charles

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Mingus Analog for Toilet Training Your Cat. And

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this wasn't a joke? Not at all. It was a serious

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instructional pamphlet with detailed steps on

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how to train your cat to use a human toilet.

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How does that even compute? The man is composing

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these epic tone poems about the downfall of civilization,

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and he's also writing a manual for feline hygiene.

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I think it speaks to that central theme of his

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personality, an obsessive need for control and

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order. Whether it's the spontaneous flow of his

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musicians or the domestic habits of his pets,

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he demanded perfection and compliance in every

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single corner of his life. It's hilarious, but

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it's also incredibly insightful. It really is.

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It underscores the whole duality of the man.

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And that duality brings us right into part four.

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masterpieces, experimentation, and controversy,

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and it's all centered on one landmark year. 1959.

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Just an unbelievable year for jazz. You have

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Dave Brubeck's Time Out, Miles Davis' Kind of

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Blue, John Coltrane's Giant Steps. And Mingus'

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contribution, I mean, stands right there with

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them. It's a masterpiece, a collection of songs

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that are now standards. It has the beautiful

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moving elegy for Lester Young. Goodbye, pork

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pie hat. A stunning piece of music. But the most

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important and most political track on that album

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was the original version of Fables of Faubus.

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This was a direct protest against Orville Faubus,

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the governor of Arkansas. Who had become nationally

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infamous for defying school integration during

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the Little Rock crisis. It was incredibly brave

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protest music for the time. Migas was using the

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language of jazz to make this explicit, buying.

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political statement. And that album's importance

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has been formally recognized. It was inducted

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into the National Recording Registry in 2003,

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a landmark record. So after he releases Blues

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and Roots in 1960, and he makes his philosophy

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very clear in the liner notes. He does. He says,

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I was born swinging and clapped my hands in church

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as a little boy, but I've grown up and I like

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to do things other than just swing. But blues

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can do more than just swing. What did he mean

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by that? How is he expanding the blues? He was

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taking the emotional framework of the blues,

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the call and response, the gospel feel, and he

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was layering it with complex harmonies, intricate

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polyphony, shifting tempos. He kept the feeling

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of traditional blues, but used it to carry the

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weight of really sophisticated political and

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psychological ideas. So as he's refining his

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own sound, the jazz world is being ripped apart

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by the arrival of the avant -garde. Specifically

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by Ornette Coleman. So how did Mingus, who was

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so rooted in tradition but also so experimental,

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react to Coleman's radical new sound? Well, his

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first reaction around 1960 was pretty skeptical.

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He famously said something like, if the freeform

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guys could play the same tune twice, then I would

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say they were playing something. He thought it

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was just random noise. He suspected it was more

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accidental than deliberate. But Mingus never,

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ever ignored a challenge. And he responded in

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the most Mingusian way possible. He did. That

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very same year. he forms a new quartet. It's

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got Danny Richman, trumpeter Ted Kersen, and

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the brilliant Eric Dolphy. And crucially, it

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used the exact same instrumentation as Ornette

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Coleman's quartet. So it was him rising to the

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challenge. It was him saying, okay, you think

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this is the new standard? I can do it too, but

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I'll do it on my own terms. And that quartet

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recorded the album Charles Mingus Presents Charles

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Mingus. Which includes the definitive version

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of his political anthem. The one with the lyrics.

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Yes. Original Faubus Fables. See, Columbia Records

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had censored the lyrics on the Mingus version.

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So Mingus used this new album on a more independent

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label to restore the explicit, damning political

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commentary he originally intended. Fast forward

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to 1963. This is where we get what many people

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call his single greatest achievement in orchestration.

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The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady. It's a monolith

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of a record. The sources call it one of the greatest

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achievements in orchestration by any composer

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in jazz history. It's a massive six -part suite

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structured almost like a modern ballet. incredibly

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dense and demanding. And the liner notes for

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the album are just as unique as the music. It's

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an incredible act of self -exposure. Mingus asked

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his own psychotherapist, Dr. Edmund Pollack,

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to write the liner notes. Wow. And Dr. Pollack

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interprets the music as a reflection of Mingus's

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inner world, his struggles, his conflicts. It's

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a level of vulnerability you just don't see,

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especially from an artist with his tough reputation.

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And at the same time, he releases a completely

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different kind of album. Mingus plays piano.

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An unaccompanied solo piano album. Just to remind

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everyone that he was a formidable pianist and

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composer, not just a bassist and band leader.

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The range in that one year is just mind -boggling.

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But in the middle of all this success, there

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was one major catastrophic failure. The Town

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Hall Concert in October of 1962. A total train

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wreck. A complete disaster. It was supposed to

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be a live workshop and recording session for

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a huge new work. But the program was way too

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ambitious. The musicians weren't ready. The music

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was too complex. The whole thing just collapsed

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under its own weight and it temporarily damaged

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his reputation. That failure leads us directly

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into part five, The Angry Man of Jazz and the

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final chapter. We have to confront this persona

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that, for many people, overshadowed his genius.

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He absolutely earned the nickname the Angry Man

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of Jazz. It wasn't just a mood. It was a consistent,

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combustible part of his career. And these weren't

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just little frustrations. They were full -blown

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public outbursts. Directed at everyone. His musicians,

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his audiences. The examples are legendary. Give

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us a few. Okay, so in 1965, he orders half his

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band to go backstage in the middle of a performance

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to practice. Because they weren't playing up

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to his standard. No way. Yes. And when he'd get

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a noisy, disrespectful crowd, he'd stop the music

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and yell at them. He famously shouted, Isaac

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Stern doesn't have to put up with this shit.

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Which is so revealing. He's demanding that jazz

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be treated with the same respect as classical

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music. Exactly. At another gig, he made his entire

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band stop playing and just read books on stage

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until the audience quieted down. And then there

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was the physical destruction. The famous bass

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incident. At the Five Spot Cafe. He felt the

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audience was heckling him, so he picked up his

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$20 ,000 double bass and smashed it to pieces

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on the stage. That's just, I mean, that's not

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just anger, that's a statement. The message was,

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disrespect the music and I will destroy the very

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means of making it. But the most damaging incident

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of all involved the great trombonist Jimmy Knepper.

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And it was centered around that failed town hall

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concert. The Knepper incident is just stark.

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It's unforgivable, really. On October 12, 1962,

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Backstage, Mingus assaulted him. They were arguing

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over the incredibly difficult score for the concert.

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And what happened? Mingus punched Knepper in

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the mouth. It broke a tooth, and the injury permanently

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ruined Knepper's embouchure. He lost the entire

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top octave of his range on the trombone. It's

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a career -altering injury. Devastating. Mingus

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was charged with assault, got a suspended sentence.

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It's a horrific story. And yet, and this is what's

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so complex about Mingus, Knepper later came back

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to work with him. He did. In 1977, he even became

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a cornerstone of the Mingus Dynasty band after

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Mingus died. It just speaks to the gravitational

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pull of the music. Even those who he hurt were

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compelled to return to his genius. But the late

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1960s were a really dark period for Mingus personally.

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He was struggling with severe clinical depression.

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His creative output really decreased, especially

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for about five years after his great collaborator,

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Eric Tolfey, died suddenly in 1964. And this

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all culminated in him being evicted from his

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home. In 1966, from his New York apartment. And

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the whole chaotic, painful episode was captured

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on film. In the 1968 documentary Mingus, Charlie

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Mingus, 1968. It's an incredibly raw film. It

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shows him composing, performing, talking about

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art and politics. But it also shows the eviction.

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It shows him being tender with his young daughter.

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And in one unforgettable scene, it shows him

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firing a shotgun indoors. Inside the apartment.

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Yeah. It just captures the genius and the domestic

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anarchy all at once. But he did have a brief

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creative resurgence in the 1970s before his final

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decline. He did. He got a teaching position at

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the University at Buffalo in 71. And in 1974,

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he formed a fantastic new quintet with Danny

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Richman, Don Poole on piano, and George Adams

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on sax. And they produced two really strong albums.

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Changes One and Changes Two. They proved he could

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still command this brilliant modern sound. But

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his health was failing fast. He developed motor

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neuron disease. ALS. Which is just the cruelest

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irony for a musician whose entire identity was

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rooted in the physical power and command of his

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instrument. His technique just declined until

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he couldn't play at all. It's unimaginable. Yet,

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even paralyzed, unable to physically perform,

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he kept composing. He kept supervising recordings

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from his wheelchair. His final project was that

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famous collaboration with Joni Mitchell. The

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album Mingus. It was released after he died in

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1979. Mitchell wrote lyrics for his final compositions,

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including a really haunting version of Goodbye

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Pork Pie Hat. It was this beautiful cross -genre

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testament to his enduring power as a composer.

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Charles Mingus died on January 5th, 1979. He

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was only 56. And his final request was, well,

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it was as unique as he was. His ashes were scattered

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in the Ganges River in India. A fitting end,

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I think, for a man whose music always blurred

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the lines between the sacred and the profane.

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That brings us to part six, legacy and enduring

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influence. And to really get the scale of his

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genius, we have to go back to that disastrous

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1962 Town Hall concert. Because that failure

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contained his true magnum opus, the sprawling

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two -hour epic known as Epitaph. After that concert,

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the music was considered unplayable. The scores

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were just scattered and lost for decades. It's

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hard to even wrap your head around the scale

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of it. The sources confirm it's 4 ,235 measures

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long. It takes two hours to perform. It's one

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of the longest jazz compositions ever written.

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So how was this masterpiece recovered? It's an

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incredible story. A musicologist named Andrew

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Homsey spent years, literally years, painstakingly

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tracking down all the chaotic, handwritten scores

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and parts that Mingus left behind. He had to

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piece it all together like a giant puzzle. And

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when was it finally performed? Not until 1989,

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a full decade after Mingus died. It was premiered

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by a 30 -piece orchestra conducted by Gunther

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Schuller, the same man who'd recorded his pre

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-Bird compositions 30 years earlier. That's amazing.

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The fact that his most ambitious work wasn't

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heard until after his death perfectly symbolizes

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his whole career, always ahead of his time. And

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thankfully, his music is kept alive today through

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what you could call the Mingus Enterprise. Right.

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His widow, Sue Graham Mingus, manages the Mingus

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Big Band, the Mingus Dynasty, and the Mingus

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Orchestra. They ensure his complex charts are

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constantly being performed and reinterpreted,

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keeping that spirit of the jazz workshop alive.

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And his compositions attract people from outside

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of jazz, too. Oh, absolutely. The sophistication

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of his melodies. I mean, you have artists like

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Elvis Costello writing lyrics for his tunes.

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It just proves the music operates on this universal

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level. We also have to circle back to his autobiography,

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Beneath the Underdog. It's not a normal memoir.

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It's this chaotic stream of consciousness book.

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And yeah, it's full of sensational claims affairs,

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I suppose his career as a pimp, that definitely

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fueled his wild legend. But its real value is

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as a window into his mind. Exactly. It's an essential

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source for understanding his psyche, his radical

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views on race, the trauma he endured. It makes

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it clear that the man, the trauma, and the fury

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are completely inseparable from the art. And

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finally, the academic and historical worlds have

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formally recognized his importance. Massively.

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Gunther Schuller argued that Mingus should be

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ranked among the most important American composers,

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period. not just jazz composers. And then in

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1993, the Library of Congress. They acquired

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his entire collection. All of it. The scores,

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recordings, letters. And they called it the most

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important acquisition of a manuscript collection

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relating to jazz in the library's history. A

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huge formal endorsement of his significance.

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It all comes full circle. To recap the honors.

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The Guggenheim Fellowship, Downbeat Jazz Hall

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of Fame, a U .S. Postal Stamp, a Grammy Lifetime

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Achievement Award. The list goes on. His contribution

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was just monumental. He was this demanding, volatile

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genius who used collective improvisation and

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his deep understanding of his musicians to create

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art that was hot, soulful, and deeply political.

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He's considered the true heir to Duke Ellington.

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And Ellington himself saw it. He once said Mingus

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reminded him of Young Duke, citing their shared

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organizational genius. Mingus just took that

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genius and fused it with his own uncompromising,

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often violent fury. The result was art that was

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never polished, but always painfully honest.

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So what does this all mean for you, the listener?

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We've charted the volatility, the fights, the

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firings, the smash bass, the sheer turbulence

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of his creative process. It really raises this

00:29:41.970 --> 00:29:43.809
fundamental question about art and the artist.

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Given Mingus's extreme volatility, the chaos

00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:50.910
he inflicted on people. Does the raw, unflinching

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emotion you hear in his greatest music somehow

00:29:53.329 --> 00:29:56.630
justify all of that? Or is the immense, messy

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complexity of his difficult life simply inseparable

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from the complexity of his groundbreaking art?

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We'd encourage you to go explore the sprawling

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magnificence of Epitaph or go back to Mingus

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and really contemplate that duality of genius

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and fury. Thank you for joining us on this deep

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dive into the singular world of Charles Mingus.

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We'll catch you next time.
