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Okay, let's just jump right in. When you hear

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the name dominoes, what's the first thing that

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talks into your head? Oh, that's a good question.

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Is it the red and blue dots or maybe the sound

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of a scooter pulling up outside? For me, it's

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that feeling, that nervous energy of watching

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the clock, right? The whole 30 minutes or less

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thing. Exactly. And that's what's so fascinating.

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I mean, for a company that just sells pizza,

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something so, so common, their story is really

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a masterclass in logistics. It's about how a

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ruthless focus on efficiency can build a global

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empire. That's the paradox, isn't it? That's

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what we're looking at today. We are doing a deep

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dive into Domino's Pizza Inc., a company that

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went from one tiny local pizzeria to this multinational

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tech platform that happens to sell food. And

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our dive today, it's based on a really comprehensive

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set of sources that cover everything. We're talking

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its founding history, its global strategy, some

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really wild product changes, and some of the

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most disruptive marketing campaigns I think I've

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ever seen. And our mission for you, the listener,

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is to give you that strategic shortcut. We want

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to get past the toppings and the crust and really

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understand the engineering of their success.

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We're going to uncover those key moments, those

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huge bets they made on speed and technology.

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And crucially, on changing the very definition

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of their own product. Yeah, even when that product

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was facing, I mean, existential criticism. The

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goal is for you to walk away understanding how

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this brand completely dominated the delivery

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market by, weirdly enough, prioritizing the box

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and the journey over what was actually inside

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it. And just to set the stage with the scale

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we're dealing with, Domino's was founded way

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back on December 9th, 1960. It's headquartered

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in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and as of 2024, it has,

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get this, 21 ,366 locations worldwide. Wow. With

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revenue of four point seven one billion dollars.

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That's not just a pizza joint. That is a massive

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global system. It absolutely is. And the story

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of how they built that nearly five billion dollar

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foundation. It starts with some incredibly humble,

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almost desperate high stakes decisions right

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at the very beginning. OK, so let's go back.

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Part one, the Monaghan era. We need to rewind

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to 1960. The very beginning. We start with the

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founders who were brothers, Tom and Jim Monaghan.

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They took over an existing pizza place called

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Dominick's in Ypsilanti, Michigan. It was right

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near Eastern Michigan University. And the money

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they started with was just, it's laughably small

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by today's standards. They put down $500, a $500

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down payment, and then they had to borrow another

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$900 just to get the thing running. Just to buy

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supplies. Yeah, just to get flour and cheese.

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I mean, you're really starting from absolute

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zero there. And what's so incredible about that

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early period is how fast the basic problems of

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the business money, ownership, delivery. It all

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came to a head. It forced a decision. Immediately.

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And that first big decision really foreshadows

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every single strategic move the company would

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make for the next 60 years. So the moment of

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truth comes just eight months in. Jim Monahan,

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he was a full time postman and he just he couldn't

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keep up. The pizza business was just too demanding

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on top of his day job. So Tom Monahan, who's

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now running it all himself, he has to buy his

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brother out, but they have no money. So. What

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do you trade for half of a future pizza empire?

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The answer is almost unbelievable. Jim traded

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his half of the entire business, his entire 50

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% stake, to his brother Tom for the Volkswagen

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Beetle they were using for deliveries. Stop right

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there. That's the whole story, isn't it? It is.

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Think about what that trade means. In 1961...

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The means of delivery, the car, was valued as

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being equal to half the ownership of the entire

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company. So when Tom Monaghan accepted that deal,

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he wasn't just getting full control. He was making

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a statement. His number one priority was the

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delivery vehicle, the logistics. The Beetle was

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the most valuable asset they owned. More than

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the ovens, more than the recipes, more than the

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store itself. Everything else was secondary.

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And that Beetle really became the philosophical

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blueprint for the whole company. They couldn't

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stay Dominic's forever. Right, because by 1965,

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Tom had bought two more pizzerias in the area,

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and he needed a single brand name for all three.

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But the original owner, Dominic DiVarti, he forbade

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him from using the Dominic's name on the new

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stores. So again, necessity forces their hand.

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The sources say an employee, a guy named Jim

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Kennedy, came back from a delivery and just threw

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out the name Domino's. And Monaghan loved it

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instantly. Simple, memorable. So that year, he

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officially renames the business Domino's Pizza,

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Inc. And this is where we see Monaghan's early

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ambition really shine through with the logo.

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The original design had three dots. For the three

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stores they had in 1965. Exactly. And the plan

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was, well, it was wonderfully optimistic. They

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were going to add a new dot for every single

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new store they opened. A plan that shows you

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the boundless energy of a founder, but maybe

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not a ton of foresight about just how fast they

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were about to grow. Oh, not at all. It was hilariously

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unsustainable. They had to abandon that idea

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very, very quickly because the growth was just

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explosive. The first franchise opened just two

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years later in 67. And by 1978, they had 200

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stores. Can you imagine a logo with 200 dots?

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Or today, a logo with over 21 ,000 tiny, unreadable

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dots? It just, it would have been a mess. But

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it shows you how fast that franchise model scaled.

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And right in the middle of that growth spurt,

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in the mid -70s, they hit a huge corporate roadblock.

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A lawsuit. A big one. In 1975, Amstar Corporation,

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the company that makes Domino Sugar, sued them

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for trademark infringement. Arguing that the

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names were too similar and would confuse people.

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And this wasn't a quick thing. This legal battle

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dragged on for five years. It wasn't resolved

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until 1980 when the Fifth Circuit Court of...

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They showed this incredible resilience. While

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the lawsuit was happening, while their very name

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was at risk, they didn't stop expanding. Not

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for a second. They just opened 15 new stores

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under a different name. A super practical, temporary

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name, Pizza Dispatch. And as soon as they won

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the case, they just switched the science back.

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They refused to let a legal fight slow down their

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physical, aggressive growth. Speaking of aggressive

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and physical. Yeah. We cannot move on without

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talking about Tom Monaghan's genuinely bizarre

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architectural vision for the corporate headquarters.

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Ah, yes. The famous or maybe infamous Leaning

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Tower of Pizza. This wasn't just an office building.

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This was Monian's ultimate statement piece. It

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was pure ambition. We're talking about a proposed

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30 -story skyscraper slanted at an angle that

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was supposed to be the centerpiece of their corporate

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campus, Domino's Farms, near Ann Arbor. It's

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such a wild contrast, isn't it? A company built

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on cheap, fast, efficient pizza, and the founder

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wants to build this incredibly expensive, high

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-concept architectural monument. The contrast

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is everything. Monaghan was obsessed with the

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architect Frank Lloyd Wright. So his first move

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was to go to Taliesin Associated Architects,

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the firm that carries on Wright's legacy, and

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asked them to base the tower on an unbuilt 1956

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design of Wright's called the Golden Beacon.

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But that fell apart. Yeah, it dissolved pretty

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quickly. Apparently, both sides felt the design

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just wasn't capturing the true spirit of Wright's

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work. So Monaghan pivots. He goes to Gunnar Burkerts,

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who was already designing the main headquarters

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building, which is this unusual half mile long

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low rise structure. And Burkerts comes up with

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this new design, a tower rising at a sharp 15

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degree angle. And the nickname was immediate.

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You couldn't avoid it. The Leaning Tower of Pisa.

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A direct and maybe slightly mocking reference

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to Italy's Leaning Tower of Pisa. It just stuck.

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But here's the ultimate twist in the story. A

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company that made its fortune on speed. and ruthless

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efficiency. It was run by a man willing to spend

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a fortune on this beautiful but completely impractical

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corporate showpiece. So how do you square that?

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Well, you don't. And that's the point. The tower

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was never actually built. Too expensive. Too

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weird. All of the above. It was too much of a

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distraction from the core business of selling

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pizzas. But, and this is the great part, if you

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go to the site in Ann Arbor today, there's a

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50 -foot -tall scale model of it still standing

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there. A monument to unbuilt ambition. Exactly.

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It's the perfect symbol of the Monaghan era.

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Yeah. Huge dreams constantly bumping up against

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the reality of practical logistics. But, you

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know, that founder -led era had to end eventually.

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It did. After 38 years, Tom Monaghan retired

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in 1998. He sold 93 % of the company he built

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to Bain Capital for about $1 billion. Which is

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a staggering exit. And that sale to a private

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equity firm like Bain, that's a huge strategic

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pivot for the company. Oh, absolutely. The focus

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shifts immediately. doesn't it? Completely. Private

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equity firms buy companies to streamline them,

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maximize profits and then usually take them public.

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Monahan was driven by his personal passions like

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architecture. Bain was driven by one thing. ruthless

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financial efficiency. And a year later, Dave

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Brandon was brought in as the new CEO. And that

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really marks the end of the founder era, the

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shift to a professionally managed corporate structure

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that was laser focused on one thing, total market

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domination. And if the Monaghan era was built

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on the philosophy of that Volkswagen Beetle,

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the next chapter was all about weaponizing that

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speed, which led to some pretty profound and

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sometimes tragic consequences. So let's get into

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it. Part two. Speed, safety, and NOID. We have

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to start with the 30 -minute guarantee. This

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wasn't just a marketing slogan. It was the entire

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identity of the company for decades. It was absolutely

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revolutionary for fast food at the time. Starting

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in 1973, Domino's made a simple, powerful promise.

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Pizza delivered in 30 minutes. Or it's free.

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It's brilliant. It creates this instant competitive

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advantage built purely on speed and certainty.

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But it was also incredibly high stakes. You're

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literally creating a financial incentive for

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your drivers to be reckless. In 1987, they tweaked

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it a bit. It became a $3 discount instead of

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a free pizza, but the pressure was still immense.

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And the human cost of that pressure. It became

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tragically clear in the early 90s. The sources

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we have detail some really significant high -profile

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lawsuits that forced the company into a corner.

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And they were not minor cases. In 1992, there

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was a $2 .8 million settlement after a Domino's

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driver who was speeding killed a woman in Indiana.

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That should have been a massive warning sign.

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But the real death blow to the policy came a

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year later, in 1993. Right. A woman was injured

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when a delivery driver ran a red light and hit

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her car. A jury awarded her nearly $80 million.

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$80 million. Now, she eventually accepted a smaller

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payout of $15 million, but still. The message

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was sent. That's the moment where the brand's

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identity speed just violently collides with public

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safety and legal liability. And Tom Monahan,

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who was still CEO, he had no choice. He was forced

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to drop the 30 minute guarantee that year. And

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he specifically cited the public perception of

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reckless driving. They had pushed their core

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strategy right past the breaking point. It had

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become a massive liability. But here's the thing.

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They dropped the guarantee. But speed is still

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in their DNA, right? Oh, absolutely. The current

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U .S. slogan, you got 30 minutes, still links

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at that history. And what's really wild is that

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this exact same high -risk strategy, the one

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deemed too dangerous for the U .S., is still

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active in other parts of the world. That's right.

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The 30 -minute guarantee, with local terms and

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conditions, of course, is still honored in countries

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like Colombia, Vietnam, Mexico, China, and India.

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So what does that tell you about their global

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strategy? It says they have a very flexible and

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maybe cynical approach to risk. What was unacceptably

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dangerous for the American market in the 90s

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is still seen as a winning strategy in certain

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high growth, high density international markets

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today. Different markets, different rules. OK,

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so moving from reckless speed to animated madness,

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we have to talk about one of the strangest and

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most infamous mascots in advertising history.

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The Noid. Ah, the Noid, yes. A character that

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became way more famous and tragically real than

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anyone could have ever planned. So the character

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itself was created in late 1986. The idea was

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that the Noid was the physical embodiment of

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everything that could go wrong with your delivery.

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Cold pizza, late delivery, you name it. And the

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slogan was super catchy, avoid the Noid. It was

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a clever concept, but it got very dark very fast

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because of a real world incident in 1989. Yeah.

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A man named Kenneth Lamar Noid, who was suffering

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from mental health issues, became convinced that

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the mascot was a direct personal attack on him.

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He believed Tom Monaghan was mocking him. So

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you walked into a Domino's in Chambly, Georgia

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with a gun and held two employees hostage for

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over five hours. The standoff ended in such a

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bizarre way. The employees managed to escape

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when Kenneth Noid got distracted because he was

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eating a pizza that he had forced them to make

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for him. The aftermath is just so tragic. Kenneth

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Noid was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia,

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found not guilty by reason of insanity, and he

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later died by suicide in 1995. You'd assume the

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company would just scrub the character from existence

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after that. But here's the important clarification

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from the sources. Domino's has always claimed

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that they retired the Noid campaign for business

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reasons and that the decision was not a result

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of the hostage situation. They maintain control

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of the narrative. Exactly. And even though he

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was retired, they weren't totally afraid of the

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legacy. They briefly brought him back in 2011

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for a Facebook game, which is a choice. Wow.

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Speaking of accidental marketing of free pizzas,

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we have to touch on the bailout glitch. From

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March 2009. This was a perfect storm of a new

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digital system and early viral social media.

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Right. So they had a promotional code, the word

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bailout, that was supposed to be turned off.

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Yeah. But it wasn't. Someone found it, shared

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it on a forum. And it just exploded. They ended

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up giving away almost 11 ,000 free medium pizzas

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across the country before they could shut it

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down. It was a massive uncontrolled giveaway.

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But what's key is how they handled it. They immediately

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promised to reimburse all the franchise owners

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for the cost of those free pizzas. It was an

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expensive mistake, but they used it to protect

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their relationship with the franchisees. It kind

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of became this accidental act of goodwill. So

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beyond these more chaotic marketing moments,

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they also did a lot of very intentional, very

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visible sports and community marketing. For sure.

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They were deep into motorsports. They sponsored

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a team in kart racing that won the Indianapolis

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500 in 1990. Then in 2003, they became the official.

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Pizza of NASCAR. Putting their logo on things

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that go fast. It makes sense. But I think their

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most brilliant community project by far was a

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paving for pizza initiative in 2018. Oh, this

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is pure marketing genius. It brings their entire

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story full circle right back to that core mission

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of delivery. They realized that their biggest

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enemy wasn't another pizza chain. It was potholes.

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Potholes were ruining the pizzas during delivery.

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So instead of just dealing with complaints, they

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launched a program to give grants to cities like

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Burbank, California, and Milford, Delaware, to

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actually fix their roads. It's so cynical and

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so brilliant at the same time. They took business

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expense damage products, car repairs, and turned

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it into this huge positive PR campaign. And they

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made sure everyone knew about it. The paved sections

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of road were literally stamped with the Domino's

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logo and the slogan, oh, yes, we did. It literally

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branded the infrastructure. It's incredible.

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They moved beyond just selling a product and

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into selling a solution to a civic problem. But

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while they were mastering the roads and the marketing,

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there was a huge existential problem brewing

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with the actual food. Okay, so part three, the

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product itself. For decades, Domino's was all

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about that operational efficiency, which meant

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the menu had to be incredibly simple. Aggressively

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simple, it was a strategic choice. For the longest

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time, it was one type of crust, two sizes, 11

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toppings, and Coke. That's it. Because anything

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more complicated would threaten the 30 -minute

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promise. Exactly. But the market started to change.

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You have competitors like Pizza Hut offering

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more variety, and Domino's had to react. So in

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1989, they introduced their first big menu expansion,

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deep dish pizza. And that was a massive investment

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for them. A huge one. It cost them $25 million,

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and $15 million of that was just for new perforated

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sheet metal pans to get the crust right. But

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they had to do it. The research showed that 40

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% of customers wanted a thicker trust. And they

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were constantly iterating. That original deep

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dish was eventually replaced by a pan pizza in

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2012. They also experimented with just sheer

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size. In the 90s, they tested something called

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the Dominator. Which was a yard -long pizza cut

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into 30 slices. Pure novelty. It was aimed at...

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Big parties, big families. And then they started

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looking at other food categories to compete in.

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Right. Like chicken. In 2002, they launched Buffalo

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Chicken Kickers. Yeah. They were basically trying

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to steal market share from places like KFC and

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Buffalo Wild Wings. And they got into specialty

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pizzas, too. In 2003, they launched a Philly

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Cheesesteak Pizza, which came with this big partnership

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with the National Cattlemen's Beef Association.

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It was a move to signal. you know, premium ingredients.

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Then came the Brooklyn -style pizza in 2006.

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Thinner crust, cornmeal cut into bigger slices

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you could fold. They were trying to borrow some

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of that authentic New York pizza credibility.

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But the biggest leap was probably in 2008 when

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they launched oven -baked sandwiches. That was

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a direct shot at Subway. And their marketing

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was ruthless. They ran a promotion offering free

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sandwiches to anyone named Jared. Wow. A very

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clear, very aggressive jab at Subway's spokesperson

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at the time. And the expansion just kept going

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right up to the breaking point. In 2009, you

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get American Legends pizzas with 40 % more cheese.

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You get pasta in a bread bowl. And you get Lava

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Crunch cakes for dessert, which they promoted

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by flying 1 ,000 of them in a helicopter near

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Mount St. Helens. All this marketing energy.

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these new products, and yet the core pizza was

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still widely considered to be terrible. And this

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brings us to what is, I think, the most important

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moment in the company's entire history, the ultimate

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admission of fault. It's a turning point. In

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2009, a consumer taste survey from a firm called

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Brand Keys comes out, and the results are just,

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they're devastating. Domino's ranked dead last

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among all the national pizza chains. Tied for

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last. Tied for last with Chuck E. Cheese. Right.

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A place known for animatronic bands and ball

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pits, not for its culinary excellence. For a

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food company, that is an existential crisis.

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Your entire business is built on a product that

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people actively dislike. And for Bain Capital,

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the owners, that had to be the final straw. Absolutely.

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They couldn't market their way out of a fundamental

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product failure. So they did something radical.

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They embraced the criticism. This led to that

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incredible self -critical ad campaign in 2010.

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They literally put their own customers on camera

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saying the crust tasted like cardboard and the

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sauce was like ketchup. I mean, that level of

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public honesty from a major corporation was just

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unheard of. Instead of fighting the criticism,

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they owned it. And they used it to announce they

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were completely reinventing their pizza from

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the crust up. So they changed everything. The

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dough, the sauce, the cheese. It was a massive

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system -wide overhaul. And it was a formal admission

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that their decades -long focus on delivery speed

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had come at the expense of the food itself. It

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was a huge risk, though, wasn't it, to basically

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tell your customers, hey, that stuff we've been

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selling you for years, yeah, it was bad. Please

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try the new stuff. A colossal. risk, but the

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results were immediate and spectacular. The very

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next year, the company saw a 14 .3 % quarterly

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gain. It completely validated the strategy. Honesty

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combined with a real product improvement was

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the key to unlocking new growth. It proved the

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underlying strength of their delivery model.

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Once the pizza was just, you know. good, the

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convenience engine took over and sales exploded.

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That lesson about adaptation wasn't just limited

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to the U .S. recipe. Not at all. It became their

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global playbook. In 2013, for example, Domino's

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in Israel introduced their first ever vegan pizza

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using a soy -based cheese substitute. It showed

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they were willing to cater to very specific local

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dietary needs. Exactly. They learned that quality

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and adaptation meant different things in different

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markets. And that successful pivot really becomes

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the bridge from their U .S. survival story to

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their incredibly complex and often contradictory

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global expansion. OK, let's talk about that global

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jigsaw puzzle. Part four. I mean, the scale of

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their international operation is just staggering,

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but it started pretty early, right? It did. The

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first international store was in Winnipeg, Canada,

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back in 1983. And then they really... pushed

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into major established economies. The UK and

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Japan both opened in 1985. And they scaled so

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fast. By 1995, they had 1 ,000 international

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locations. And the pace just kept accelerating.

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The sources mentioned this one day in 1997, where

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they opened seven new stores on five different

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continents. On the same day. On the same day.

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It was a pure logistical flex, a message to the

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world that they were everywhere. And the way

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they managed that growth was through the master

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franchise model, which is... It's pretty complex.

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There are these two big public -created groups

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outside of the U .S. parent company. Right. First,

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you've got the Australian group, Domino's Pizza

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Enterprises, or DPE. They control a huge territory,

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Australia, New Zealand, Japan, France, a lot

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of Europe. They're all about aggressive growth.

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And then there's the British group, Domino's

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Pizza Group, DPG, which handles the U .K. and

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Ireland. And it's this web of overlapping franchises

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that allows them to delegate all the local decision

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making, the advertising, the ingredients, the

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labor laws to regional experts. And before we

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get into specific countries, we should mention

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their corporate responsibility push. Yeah. In

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2020, they committed to sourcing 100 percent

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cage free eggs by 2025. Which is pretty much

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a non -negotiable standard for a global chain

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of their size these days. OK, let's zoom in on

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Asia. Because this is where you really see the

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need for that intense local customization. Let's

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start with India. India is the crown jewel of

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their international operations. Outside of the

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United States, India has more Domino's locations

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than any other country in the world. The numbers

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are incredible. As of 2018, the master franchise

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heir, Jubilant Foodworks, had over 1 ,300 stores

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in more than 260 cities. They hit their 1 ,000th

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store back in 2016. And they succeeded because

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they adapted so well. They have a huge number

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of vegetarian options. They use local spices.

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But they still leverage that core model of fast,

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reliable delivery in these incredibly dense cities.

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So India is a story of successful adaptation.

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But China? China is a story of radical invention.

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A completely different strategy. In China, where

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they're known as Damile, They have a smaller

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footprint, about 250 stores in nine big cities.

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But the menu, the menu is almost unrecognizable

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to an American customer. We're talking potato

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bacon pizza, crayfish pizza. Durian pulp pizza.

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Durian pizza. And salted egg yolk pizza. And

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this isn't just a gimmick. This is a profound

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strategic choice. The master franchise model

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gives them the freedom to completely betray the

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core product identity if it means winning over

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local tastes. They care more about capturing

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the market than they do about brand consistency.

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What's also key in China is the tech focus. Over

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90 percent of orders are placed online through

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their own apps or through platforms like WeChat.

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And this is interesting. After years of insisting

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on controlling their own delivery in China, they've

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had to partner with third party apps like Elo

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.me and Meichuan just to compete. A huge strategic

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shift for them. But the global story isn't just

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about successes. It's also defined by some very

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high profile, very public failures. And there

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is no bigger failure or bigger irony than their

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attempt to conquer Italy. The birthplace of pizza.

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In 2015, they decided. to go for it, thinking

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their main advantage would be their superior

00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:05.160
delivery model. The assumption was we're faster

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and more reliable than the local mom and pop

00:24:07.259 --> 00:24:10.039
pizzerias. But it proves they didn't really learn

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the global lesson of the 2010 recipe change,

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did they? If your whole model is convenience,

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what happens when everyone else becomes just

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as convenient? That's exactly what happened.

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The local pizzerias, which already had a vastly

00:24:21.779 --> 00:24:24.619
better product, just started using the same delivery

00:24:24.619 --> 00:24:28.119
apps for Glovo, Just Eat, and suddenly Domino's

00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:30.400
convenience advantage was gone. And the main

00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:32.579
reason they failed? The main reason, according

00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:35.400
to the sources, was just crushing, brutally low

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customer ratings. People in Italy thought the

00:24:38.059 --> 00:24:40.579
pizza was terrible. Convenience couldn't make

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up for the massive quality gap. By July 2022,

00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:47.259
every single Domino's in Italy was closed. A

00:24:47.259 --> 00:24:49.700
painful, expensive lesson. And then came the

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Russian exit in 2023. This one wasn't about the

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product. It was geopolitical. After the invasion

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of Ukraine, the franchise operator had to declare

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bankruptcy and pull out. A completely different

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kind of challenge. And what's wild is that the

00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:05.240
Russian network was then bought by a local rapper,

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Tamati, and just slightly rebranded to Domano

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Pizza. It shows how quickly a brand can be co

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-opted when a master franchise is forced to exit.

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And that brings us to the present. In February

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2025. They announced they're closing over 200

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underperforming stores worldwide. And the vast

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majority of those, 172 of them, are in Japan.

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That's a huge red flag. This is a cost -cutting

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move, shedding the weak spots. Japan is a super

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competitive, tech savvy, delivery focused market.

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The fact that they're failing there suggests

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that their model of just being convenient isn't

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enough anymore. The competition has caught up.

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And what's the one market that's actually growing?

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Australia and New Zealand. So they're doubling

00:25:47.049 --> 00:25:48.829
down where the model still works and cutting

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their losses where it doesn't. So if the 30 minute

00:25:50.890 --> 00:25:53.369
guarantee defined the 20th century and the recipe

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change. to find the early 21st. Then the next

00:25:56.029 --> 00:25:58.789
defining leap has to be their full -on radical

00:25:58.789 --> 00:26:01.710
embrace of technology and automation. Okay, so

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final section, digital innovation. Domino's figured

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out pretty early on that they weren't really

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a pizza company. At their heart, they're a logistics

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and software company. And you can see that mental

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shift reflected in their branding. In 2012, they

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officially changed the company name to just Domino's.

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They dropped the word pizza. And they updated

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the logo at the same time. What was the message

00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.500
they were sending with that? It was a clear declaration

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of intent. We are more than pizza. It opened

00:26:27.259 --> 00:26:29.019
the door for them to push sandwiches, pasta,

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wings, whatever comes next. It's a name change

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that prepares them for a future that might not

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even be about food, but about pure logistics.

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And then came the tech tools. Online ordering

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started in 2007, but the real game changer was

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the pizza tracker in 2008. The pizza tracker

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was absolute genius. On one level, it's for the

00:26:48.789 --> 00:26:51.130
customer. It shows you the status of your order

00:26:51.130 --> 00:26:53.049
in real time. It doesn't make the pizza come

00:26:53.049 --> 00:26:55.730
faster, but it reduces your anxiety while you

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wait. It gives you a feeling of control. And

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on the other level? Data. Every click, every

00:27:00.650 --> 00:27:03.410
refresh is a data point. They use that massive

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stream of information to optimize everything.

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Staffing, prep times, delivery routes. They turned

00:27:08.309 --> 00:27:11.109
a customer -facing feature into a powerful internal

00:27:11.109 --> 00:27:13.549
efficiency tool. And now they're moving beyond

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tracking. And into full automation. They're trying

00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:19.079
to solve the problem of the human driver once

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and for all. Exactly. In some cities in Germany

00:27:22.339 --> 00:27:24.700
and the Netherlands, they're already using self

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-driving robots from a company called Starship

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Technologies for short distance deliveries. And

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they're testing everything, aren't they? In 2016,

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they did the world's first drone pizza delivery

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in New Zealand. And in the U .S., they have a

00:27:37.180 --> 00:27:39.119
major partnership with a company called Nuro

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to use their R2 self -driving vehicles for deliveries

00:27:42.619 --> 00:27:45.059
in Houston. So they're testing ground robots,

00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.259
aerial drones, and autonomous cars all at the

00:27:48.259 --> 00:27:50.859
same time. They are exploring every possible

00:27:50.859 --> 00:27:53.619
path to automation. They're trying to build a

00:27:53.619 --> 00:27:56.579
future where the cost and the risk associated

00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:59.680
with the human driver is massively reduced. It's

00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:01.519
the 30 -minute guarantee without the liability.

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They also got into some, let's see, unique...

00:28:05.069 --> 00:28:06.890
Customer engagement strategies. You mean the

00:28:06.890 --> 00:28:09.150
wedding registry? The wedding registry. And then

00:28:09.150 --> 00:28:11.630
the baby registry. A way to tie their brand to

00:28:11.630 --> 00:28:14.009
these huge emotional life moments. It's all about

00:28:14.009 --> 00:28:16.470
convenience. And we have to talk about the Surprise

00:28:16.470 --> 00:28:19.490
Freeze campaign from 2021. This was a direct

00:28:19.490 --> 00:28:21.569
attack on the delivery apps, right? It was a

00:28:21.569 --> 00:28:24.190
tactical counteroffensive against DoorDash and

00:28:24.190 --> 00:28:28.089
Uber Eats. They gave away up to $50 million worth

00:28:28.089 --> 00:28:31.109
of free items to their own customers. The message

00:28:31.109 --> 00:28:33.619
was simple. Order directly from us and we'll

00:28:33.619 --> 00:28:35.440
reward you. Go through a third -party app and

00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:37.700
you'll just pay extra fees. It was all about

00:28:37.700 --> 00:28:39.779
protecting their direct relationship with the

00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:42.579
customer and, more importantly, protecting that

00:28:42.579 --> 00:28:45.519
valuable first -party data. Okay, before we wrap

00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:47.599
up, let's look at the financials that make all

00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.279
of this possible. They went public on the New

00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.859
York Stock Exchange in 2004. And they're still

00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:54.960
evolving. They just announced they're moving

00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.359
their stock listing to the NASDAQ starting in

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January 2025. Why would they do that? Why move

00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:04.170
from the NYSE? to Nasdaq. It's a signal to investors.

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Nasdaq is seen as the home for technology and

00:29:07.390 --> 00:29:10.089
growth focused companies. It reinforces their

00:29:10.089 --> 00:29:12.690
message. We are a tech company that happens to

00:29:12.690 --> 00:29:15.289
sell food. And the franchise model is the engine

00:29:15.289 --> 00:29:18.269
that funds all this innovation. We got some 2018

00:29:18.269 --> 00:29:20.910
numbers here. Of their 6 ,000 plus U .S. stores,

00:29:21.109 --> 00:29:23.690
almost all of them are franchised. And the average

00:29:23.690 --> 00:29:25.930
store was doing over a million dollars a year

00:29:25.930 --> 00:29:29.230
in sales. And here's the secret sauce. Every

00:29:29.230 --> 00:29:33.049
franchise pays an initial fee, plus a 5 .5 %

00:29:33.049 --> 00:29:36.930
royalty fee and a 4 % advertising fee, both based

00:29:36.930 --> 00:29:40.430
on their weekly sales. So 9 .5 % of every single

00:29:40.430 --> 00:29:42.769
dollar that a U .S. franchise makes goes straight

00:29:42.769 --> 00:29:44.650
back to the parent company. And that's what pays

00:29:44.650 --> 00:29:46.390
for the pizza tracker, the neuro partnership,

00:29:46.690 --> 00:29:49.650
the drone experiments. Every franchisee is effectively

00:29:49.650 --> 00:29:52.890
funding the company's R &amp;D. It's a genius, self

00:29:52.890 --> 00:29:54.990
-sustaining financial model. And they've shown

00:29:54.990 --> 00:29:57.910
they can be flexible. In 2022, when inflation

00:29:57.910 --> 00:30:00.809
hit, they first cut back on deals, which angered

00:30:00.809 --> 00:30:03.430
customers. But they pivoted fast. By September,

00:30:03.670 --> 00:30:05.769
they launched an inflation relief deal offering

00:30:05.769 --> 00:30:08.869
20 % off all online orders. It shows they're

00:30:08.869 --> 00:30:11.089
willing to protect customer loyalty, even if

00:30:11.089 --> 00:30:13.230
it hurts short -term profits. And finally, to

00:30:13.230 --> 00:30:14.950
bring it all back to the beginning, in November

00:30:14.950 --> 00:30:18.940
2022, They added 800 Chevy Bolt electric vehicles

00:30:18.940 --> 00:30:21.960
to their U .S. delivery fleet. From one single

00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:25.039
gas -guzzling Volkswagen Beetle to a fleet of

00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.759
800 EVs. It's the perfect illustration of their

00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.059
journey from a local pizza joint to a full -scale

00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:32.700
industrialized logistics machine. So when you

00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:34.200
put it all together, what does this whole story

00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.500
tell us? I mean, this deep dive shows that Domino's

00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:40.019
built its empire on a foundation of speed, a

00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:42.240
guarantee so powerful it almost destroyed them.

00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.039
They survived a near -death experience with their

00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:47.920
own product by doing something terrifying, being

00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:51.000
honest. And now their future depends entirely

00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.579
on staying ahead in the tech race, whether that

00:30:53.579 --> 00:30:56.299
means customizing a durian pizza for China or

00:30:56.299 --> 00:30:59.160
launching delivery robots in Germany. So the

00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.339
lesson is that you have to be willing to constantly

00:31:01.339 --> 00:31:04.759
criticize yourself, to radically adapt, and to

00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.259
pour money into technology just to stay on top.

00:31:07.579 --> 00:31:09.420
You have to be willing to admit your product

00:31:09.420 --> 00:31:11.700
is broken and rebuild it from the ground up.

00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:14.099
That's it, exactly. And that leaves us with a

00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:16.039
final provocative thought for you to chew on.

00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:18.839
Domino's success today still relies on that mix

00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.440
of convenience and an acceptable product. But

00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.900
as they plan to close 200 stores, which market

00:31:23.900 --> 00:31:26.299
really poses the greater long -term risk for

00:31:26.299 --> 00:31:29.450
them? Is it a super competitive fragmented market

00:31:29.450 --> 00:31:31.509
like Japan where their convenience advantage

00:31:31.509 --> 00:31:34.049
is disappearing? Or is it a new market where

00:31:34.049 --> 00:31:35.930
people just fundamentally reject their food like

00:31:35.930 --> 00:31:37.690
what happened in Italy? And here's the follow

00:31:37.690 --> 00:31:40.029
up. What happens when delivery automation becomes

00:31:40.029 --> 00:31:42.970
universal? When drones and robots make instant

00:31:42.970 --> 00:31:45.609
delivery the standard for everyone? When that

00:31:45.609 --> 00:31:48.029
last logistical advantage is gone, how does that

00:31:48.029 --> 00:31:50.930
change their entire risk calculation? Is a pretty

00:31:50.930 --> 00:31:53.650
good reinvented pizza still good enough to win

00:31:53.650 --> 00:31:56.049
in a world where everyone can deliver in 10 minutes?
