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Welcome to the Deep Dive. Our mission is always

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to take these complex worlds, arts, history,

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science, distill that essential knowledge from

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the sources, and really give you the full context,

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but, you know, without the information overload.

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And today we're diving into someone who's just

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fascinatingly complex. contradictory even, one

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of the 19th century's most brilliant figures,

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Hilaire Germain Edgar Degas. Better known, of

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course, is Edgar Degas. Exactly. And we hit the

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central paradox right away, don't we? You look

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in any art history book, Degas is right there,

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key founder of Impressionism. He was in seven

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of the eight independent shows between, what,

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1874 and 1886. But this is the kicker, if you'd

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actually call him an Impressionist to his face.

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Oh, he would not have liked that. No. Deeply

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offended. He absolutely rejected the term. He

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preferred, well, realist or maybe even more pointedly,

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a classical artist painting modern life. He really

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was a walking contradiction. Absolutely. And

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that's our goal today, isn't it? To get past

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that simple label, you know, the ballet painter.

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We need to uncover the difficult. sophisticated,

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technically brilliant artist who somehow bridged

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that huge gap between Renaissance draftsmanship

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and, well, the radical fleeting subjects of modern

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Paris. How did he fuse that classical rigor with,

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say, laundresses or jotties? That's the question.

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It is. And we've got a deep stack of sources

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here covering everything, really. His early ambitions,

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you know, wanting to be a history painter. Then

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the financial crisis that sort of pushed him

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into modernity. His compositional innovations,

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which were groundbreaking. And we also have to

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touch on the controversies, his personality,

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his politics. They were thorny, to say the least.

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Definitely. So by the end of this deep dive,

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you should have a really thorough, nuanced picture

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of this pivotal figure in 19th century art. OK,

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so to understand that rigor. in degas art we

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really have to look at his upbringing right that

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sounds quite rigorous itself it was he was born

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hilaire germain edgar degas 1834 paris moderately

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wealthy family his father augustin degas was

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a banker pretty prominent and his mother celestine

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muson degas she had interesting roots creole

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from new orleans that's right her family had

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settled there uh Decades earlier. And there's

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a small detail the sources mention, but it feels

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telling. As an adult, he dropped the aristocratic

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Degas spelling. Just became Degas. Simpler. Simpler.

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And that little change dropping the dead, it

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feels quite symbolic, maybe moving away from

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that inherited aristocracy, identifying more

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as a man of the new professional age. Whereas

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his brother René stuck with the more grandiose

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Degas. Exactly. René refused to make that change.

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So this early choice, it kind of mirrors his

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later rejection of, say, academic art for modern

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subjects. It's an interesting parallel. Life

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wasn't entirely smooth, though. His mother died

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when he was only 13. Yes, a huge loss. So the

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main influences after that were his father, who

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was highly cultured, and interestingly, a set

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of unmarried uncles. And his father had very

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traditional expectations for him, career -wise.

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Law school at the University of Paris. That was

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the plan after he graduated from the Lycée Louis

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-Lagrange in 1853. A very prestigious school.

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But Degas, well, he wasn't feeling the law career.

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Applied very little effort, apparently. And pivoted

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almost immediately to art. Pretty much registered

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as a copyist in the Louvre. That tells you something

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right there. He was serious. He wanted the foundation,

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the techniques the old masters had. He wasn't

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looking for shortcuts. And then came that really

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pivotal moment, the encounter with Ingres, Jean

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-Auguste Dominique Ingres in 1855, the titan

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of neoclassicism. A figure Degas absolutely revered.

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You can see why. Anger represented the highest

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standards of drawing, of classical precision.

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And Anger gave him that crucial piece of advice.

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The famous line, draw lines, young man, and still

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more lines, both from life and from memory, and

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you will become a good artist. That sums up Degas'

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entire artistic ethos, really. Something he never

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abandoned. Never. Even when painting dancers

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or jockeys, that emphasis on line, on the drawing

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underneath, it's always there. It's what fundamentally

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separates him from someone like Monet, right?

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Absolutely. Monet was all about color, light,

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atmosphere. Degas was structure first, line first.

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And Gray's advice led him to thrive under Louis

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Lamothe at the École des Beaux -Arts, who followed

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that same style. And that classical foundation

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got cemented during his big trip to Italy. Three

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years, 1856 to 1859. Yeah, and this wasn't just

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tourism. He was there to study. Michelangelo,

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Raphael, Titian. But even then, his way of copying

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was, well, unconventional. Already showing his

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unique eye. How so? You'd think copying Raphael

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means copying the whole thing. Not necessarily

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for Degas. The sources say he'd often focus on

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specific bits that grabbed him, like a secondary

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figure way in the background, or just a single

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head from a group. Interesting. So he's treating

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that detail almost like a mini portrait. Exactly.

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Using the old masters, not just for technique,

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but to sharpen his eye for individual psychology,

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isolating those little moments of human intensity.

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Okay. That makes sense then. Why his first big

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ambition was to be a history painter. That was

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the top tier in the French Academy. The highest

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goal. And his early works show it. Things like

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Alexander and Bucephalus, the Daughter of Jephthah,

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Semiramis building Babylon around 1860, all aimed

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at that grand tradition. But the work that really

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signaled where he was heading, the blend of technique

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and psychology, was the Bellelli family. Started

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in Italy around 1858. Yes. Intended for the Salon,

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the big official exhibition. But it wasn't history.

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It was this powerful contemporary portrait of

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his aunt, uncle, and their two daughters. And

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when you look at it, the psychological tension

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is just, wow. The sources really highlight this.

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It's not just a formal picture. What makes it

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so poignant? Well, it's the spacing, isn't it?

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The way the figures are grouped, but also so

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isolated. The uncle, Gennaro Bellelli, he's standing

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apart, back slightly turned, looks quite distant.

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And the aunt, Lore. She's in black. very upright,

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severe almost. You feel this deep melancholy,

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this tension, this emotional distance from her

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husband. And the two girls, they connect the

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composition, but they seem very formal, restrained.

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So he's using that classical, meticulous draftsmanship

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to expose the uncomfortable emotional reality

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of this mid -19th century family. It's that blend

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of classical skill and modern psychological subject

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matter that's so groundbreaking. He finally did

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exhibit at the Salon in 1865, but it was with

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a History painting, scene of war, the Middle

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Ages. And it barely got noticed. Seems the establishment

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wasn't quite ready for what he was about to unleash.

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So that lack of success with history painting,

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maybe that was the push he needed. It seems like

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it. After that 1865 salon, he pretty much stopped

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trying those classical or historical narratives.

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Right, because his next submission, 1866, scene

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from the steeplechase. The Fallen Jockey, that's

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a total pivot, isn't it? Absolutely definitive.

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Contemporary subject matter. Racehorses, jockeys,

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the spectacle of modern Paris. And this commitment

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to the now was definitely influenced by his friendship

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with Manet. Edward Manet. They met a couple of

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years earlier, possibly copying Velazquez and

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Louvre. That's the story, yeah. But the real

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catalyst, the thing that really forced him to

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paint for a living, wasn't just artistic choice.

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It was a series of... Pretty major shocks, financial,

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personal, starting around the early 1870s. Okay,

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what happened first? Well, the Franco -Prussian

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War in 1870, he enlisted in the National Guard.

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And it was during rifle training, wasn't it,

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that they discovered his eyesight problem? Exactly,

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defective eyesight. It became a lifelong worry,

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progressively getting worse. And this is crucial

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because, as we'll talk about, it pushed him towards

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certain mediums later on, maybe even contributed

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to his isolation. After the war, there's the

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famous trip to New Orleans in 1872. Yes, visiting

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his mother's family, his Creole relatives. His

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uncle, Michel Misson, lived there on Esplanade

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Avenue. And this trip produced one of his most

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distinctive works, a cotton office in New Orleans.

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Which just this incredibly detailed, complex

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interior scene. A real snapshot of American business

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life through his relatives. And remarkably, the

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sources point out this was the only painting

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of his life bought by a museum during his lifetime.

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Incredible, isn't it? The museum in Powell bought

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it. It really underscores how, well. precarious

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his financial situation was about to become.

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He wasn't exactly a commercial success yet. And

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that precariousness became reality when he got

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back to Paris. His father died in 1873. And the

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aftermath was catastrophic. It turned out his

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brother, Rene, had run up enormous business debts,

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bad banking decisions. The family name, which

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Degas valued highly, was on the line. Reputation

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meant everything. It did. So Degas, driven by

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this strong sense of family honor, took charge.

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He sold his house, sold his inherited collection

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of old master art, basically liquidated assets

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to pay off René's debts. Wow. So overnight, the

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formerly comfortable artist is forced to rely

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entirely on selling his own work. For the first

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time in his life, yes. Completely reliant on

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art sales. And it's an amazing historical footnote.

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The sources are very clear that the decade starting

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right then, 1874, fueled by the sudden intense

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financial need, it's precisely when he produced

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a huge amount of his greatest work. Pressure

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makes diamonds, I guess. Or masterpieces in this

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case. And this financial pressure lined up perfectly

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with his growing disillusionment with the official

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salon. They weren't really accepting his modernizing

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work anyway. So he threw his lot in with the

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independent group. The ones who became known

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as the Impressionists. He did. He was instrumental

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in organizing their exhibitions, showed his work

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in seven out of the eight shows. Which brings

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us right back to that core contradiction. He's

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participating, organizing, but fundamentally

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disagreeing with their whole philosophy. Absolutely.

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He had total disdain for their signature thing,

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painting on plein air outdoors. He thought it

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was sloppy, intellectually shallow. That famous

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quote about wanting the government to use birdshot

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on landscape painters. So telling, isn't it?

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It just highlights how different his own studio

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practice was. He wasn't chasing sunsets. No,

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the total opposite. Working indoors, using memory,

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sketches, models who posed again and again. And

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increasingly, photography. He insisted, and this

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is a key quote, no art was ever less spontaneous

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than mine. What I do is the result of reflection

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and of the study of the great masters, modern

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subject, classical method. And his personality

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didn't help smooth things over within the group

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either, did it? He was argumentative. Constantly,

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arguing with the core landscape guys like Monet.

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And he caused friction by insisting they include

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artists who weren't really impressionists at

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all, like the satirist Forain or the genre painter

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Raffaelli. So he wanted a broader church. But

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they felt it diluted the brand, so to speak.

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Pretty much. That insistence on including others,

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that rancor, it definitely contributed to the

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group finally falling apart after the last show

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in 1886. Degas was critical to their start, but

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also, well, a difficult collaborator who helped

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push them to the end. Okay, so regardless of

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the label impressionist, realist, whatever the

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technical skill is, just undeniable. Once he

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focused on modern life, he was seen as this supreme

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draftsman. And the... Sources really emphasize

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his ability to capture motion. He really was

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a visual sociologist of movement, wasn't he?

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Whether it's the effort of a woman washing, the

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blur of a horse race, or the discipline of a

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dancer, he understood anatomy under stress. Comes

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right back to that Ingram's advice, the importance

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of line and structure. Exactly. That deep classical

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understanding of the figure is what let him capture

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a fleeting pose and make it look completely natural,

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completely convincing. And his style wasn't just

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about movement. His compositions were revolutionary.

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He started breaking the old framing rules, using

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things like awkward cropping, unusual viewpoints.

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He was capturing what we might call the accidental

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framing of modern life, like looking through

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a window or catching something out of the corner

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of your eye. Think about Place de la Concorde

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from 1875. Right. It feels like a snapshot. Yeah.

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Figures cut off by the edge of the canvas, unbalanced.

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It creates this real sense of movement of a moment

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caught in time. It really does. And it connects

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directly to the rise of photography, doesn't

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it? That instantaneous quality cameras offered.

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But it wasn't just photography influencing him,

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was it? Japanese prints, too. Oh, massively.

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Lucio Prince were flooding Paris then. He loved

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their compositional tricks, the flat planes of

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color, figures pushed to the side, dramatic diagonals,

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those high vantage points that flatten everything

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out. The orchestra at the opera around 1870.

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That seems to pull all these ideas together.

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It's a portrait, but also a genre scene. And

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the viewpoint is just odd. Brilliantly odd. The

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subject is the opera house, this professional

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world. He shows it from the perspective of, like,

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a distracted audience member. His friend, the

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bassoonist Desiree Dihau, is there, but he's

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just one guy in the pit. And the dancers on stage

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are cut off. Severely. You just see their legs,

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the bottom of their tutis. He's less interested

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in the star performers and more in the whole

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environment, how your eye scans across the scene,

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how we consume spectacle in the modern city.

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It's like an immersive viewpoint, almost cinematic.

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It really is. It reinforces that Degas' subject

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was often the experience of modern life itself,

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seen through these deliberately, almost arbitrary

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-seeming frames. Something else that defines

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his later work especially is this idea of the

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unfinished. You see incredibly detailed bits

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right next to areas that look barely sketched.

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Yeah, that's a complex one. He did often blame

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his failing eyesight after 1870, said he couldn't

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maintain the fine detail. But maybe that wasn't

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the whole story. Probably not. He also admitted

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he had this reluctance to just stop working on

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something. He apparently said he preferred to

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begin a hundred things and not finish one of

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them. He was notoriously unwilling to call a

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painting done. For him, finished maybe implied

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there was nothing more to discover or fix. The

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process of looking, adjusting, refining that

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was continuous. So once that financial pressure

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hit in the 1870s, his subjects shifted very deliberately

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towards women at work. Milliners, laundresses.

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And of course, dancers. These weren't romantic

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depictions, though. They were driven partly by

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economics. Dancers especially sold well. And

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they eventually made up more than half his entire

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output. But he didn't paint them like glamorous

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stars on stage. Rarely. Mostly backstage, in

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rehearsal rooms. Stretching, exhausted, tying

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a shoe, adjusting a strap. He focused on their

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status as professionals, doing a tough job. The

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sheer grind behind the performance. The labor

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involved. What about the milliners and laundresses?

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The milliner series, Women Making Hats, that's

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often seen as him reflecting on his own art.

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You know, the milliner carefully arranging ribbons

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and fabrics, just like Degas meticulously arranged

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elements in his paintings. Both skilled workers

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manipulating materials. And the laundresses.

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They allowed him to study bodies under physical

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strain. bending, stretching, pressing heavy irons,

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the reality of working -class female labor. Then

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later, his subjects shift again, becoming much

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more intimate, women bathing, drying themselves,

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combing their hair, like in the tub. Right. And

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it's in these late news, ironically, that his

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classical drawing starts to give way a bit more

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to the color techniques he supposedly disliked

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in the Impressionists. How so? Well, the strict

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definition of form relaxes. The underlying structure

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is still rigorous, classic Degas, but the color

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becomes much more expressive, more abstract almost.

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Backgrounds dissolve into pure texture and hue.

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It's a fascinating late career synthesis, really.

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His love of line finally reconciling with that

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modern obsession with color. And that late move

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towards expressive color, it was helped along

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by him moving beyond just oil paint, right? Especially

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into pastel. His eyesight must have played a

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role there, too. It seems very likely pastel

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allowed for bolder strokes, maybe less demanding

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on failing vision than fine oil work. And by

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the late 1870s, he wasn't just using castel.

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He was an absolute master of it. It wasn't just

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like chalk drawings, though, was it? No, not

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at all. It's important to realize he applied

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pastel this dry medium in really complex layers

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and textures. He'd build up these dense surfaces,

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sometimes using fixative or even water to bind

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to the layers. He could get a richness and depth

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that really rivaled oil paint. So pastel was

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the perfect solution for him in a way. It let

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him keep that focus on drawing the ingress line.

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But also embrace the vibrant, expressive color

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that modern art was exploring. You see it beautifully

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in things like Blue Dancers from 1897. It's a

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perfect fusion. Beyond pastel, he was also really

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into printmaking. Monotypes, specifically. He

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made hundreds. Around 300, yeah. Mainly mid -1870s

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to mid -80s, then again in the early 90s. He

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was fascinated by these reproductive processes.

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Can you just quickly explain what a monotype

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is for anyone unfamiliar? Sure. Monotype means

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single print. Basically, you paint or draw directly

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onto a smooth plate, usually metal, with ink.

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Then you run it through a press onto paper. So

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you only get one good print. Usually just one

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strong one, maybe a second, weaker ghost print.

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Because the ink is applied directly and often

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wiped away to create highlights, the image is

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basically destroyed in the printing. It blurs

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the line between drawing and printmaking. Diggus

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loved that quality. And he often worked back

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into them. Frequently reworked the printed image

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with pastel, just doubling down on that mixed

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media approach he favored. His exploration of

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technology didn't end there either. Photography

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became a real passion later on in the late 1880s.

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A serious passion, not just snapshots. He staged

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elaborate photo shoots, often photographing his

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friends like Renoir and Mallarmé under dramatic

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lamplight. Very controlled compositions. And

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he used photos as reference material. Extensively.

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Photos of dancers, nudes, they fed directly back

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into his drawings and paintings. It just reinforces

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again how much his work was studio -based, thought

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-out, not spontaneous plein air stuff. Okay,

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now we have to tackle the big public controversy

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of his career. The sculpture. The little dancer

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of 14 years. 1881. The only one he ever showed

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publicly. And it was designed to provoke, wasn't

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it? It wasn't traditional bronze or marble. It

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was wax, nearly life size and mixed media realism

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pushed to the extreme. Real hair, real cloth

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tutus, satin ribbons. Exactly. It was hyper realistic.

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And the reaction was, well, mostly hostile. Critics

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called it appalling ugliness. They couldn't handle

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the realism. They struggled with it. The combination

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of traditional sculpture technique with real

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everyday materials. She looked too real, too

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common. maybe. Not the idealized form they expected

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from sculpture. But not everyone hated it. Huysmans,

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the critic, saw its importance. J .K. Heisman's,

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yes, a key naturalist critic. He got it immediately.

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Said Degas had revolutionized the traditions

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of sculpture, which arguably he had. And Degas

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himself clearly valued sculpture highly. He said,

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drawing is a way of thinking, modeling another.

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Put it on the same level intellectually. He did.

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Yet, even though he went on to make about 150

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more wax sculptures over the years, he kept them

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all private. hidden away in his studio. Which

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leads us straight into that really tricky posthumous

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bronze controversy. After he died in 1917, they

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found all these waxes, many damaged. Right. And

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his heirs wanted to preserve this hidden part

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of his work. They consulted a founder, Adrian

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Hebrard. And Hebrard decided some could be cast.

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He deemed 74 of the waxes stable enough to cast

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in bronze. And he oversaw that casting process

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between 1919 and 1936. This is why almost all

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the Degas bronzes you see in museums today, apart

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from that original wax little dancer, are posthumous

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casts. They're called simulages. What does simulages

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mean exactly? Why is that term important? It's

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crucial. It means they are cast made from a mold

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that might not have been taken directly from

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Degas' original wax, but possibly from an intermediate

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plaster cast or even another bronze copy. So

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while they represent his original forms, they

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were cast years after his death without his supervision.

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Raising questions about accuracy. surface detail,

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his final intentions, especially since he never

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chose to cast them in bronze himself. Precisely.

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And the whole thing got even more complicated

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in 2004. Suddenly, this new group of 73 plaster

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casts surfaced. They looked very similar to the

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original waxes. Another layer of complexity.

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What happened then? Bronzes were then cast from

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these new plasters, and it just ignited a huge

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controversy. Are these plasters legitimate intermediate

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steps Degas made? Or are they later maybe unauthorized

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copies? Where did they come from? And the reaction

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from scholars. Tells you everything. Most major

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Degas experts just declined to comment, refused

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to get drawn into this really charged, high -stakes

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debate about authenticity. It just shows how

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difficult it is to manage the legacy of an artist

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like Degas who kept so much hidden, so much unfinished.

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Moving from his complicated art to his complicated

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life. Degas the man sounds, well, difficult,

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secretive, argumentative. Notoriously so. He

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lived a very outwardly simple, uneventful life.

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He had this belief, quite stark really, that

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the artist must live alone and his private life

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must remain unknown. He really cultivated that

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image, didn't he? The misanthropic bachelor.

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George Moore calling him an old curmudgeon sounds

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about right from the sources. Seems fair. Known

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for his wit, but a wit that could easily turn

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cruel. And while he started out moving in, you

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know, vaguely left -leaning Republican circles.

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Signs of prejudice started showing up early.

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They did. There's that anecdote, maybe minor,

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but telling of him firing a model just because

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he found out she was Protestant. And this prejudice

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seemed to escalate later, particularly his anti

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-Semitism. Scholars even link it to some of his

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paintings. Yes, specifically the 1879 work Portraits

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at the Stock Exchange. Modern experts widely

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see anti -Semitic sentiment in it. It depicts

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the Jewish banker, Ernest May. How so? What do

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they point to? Well, they argue the way Degas

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depicts May's facial features, particularly the

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exaggerated nose and his posture, which seems

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sort of overly eager, almost grasping. They say

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it closely mirrors the visual tropes used in

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anti -Semitic cartoons and publications that

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were common in Paris then. That's really important

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context. It takes it beyond just personal views

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and shows it potentially reflected in the artwork

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itself. Maybe a turning point in his politics.

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And the real breaking point, the thing that solidified

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these views publicly was the Dreyfus affair,

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that huge political crisis that just tore France

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apart in the 1890s and early 1900s. Alfred Dreyfus,

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the Jewish army captain falsely accused of treason.

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It split the country. Dreyfusards versus anti

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-Dreyfusards. And Degas was vehemently anti -Dreyfusard.

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Fiercely so, the sources say. And this stance

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really amplified his anti -Semitism. It did,

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with devastating personal results. He systematically

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broke ties with all his Jewish friends, publicly

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disowned friendships with Jewish artists he'd

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known before. This argumentative, rigid nature

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just led to profound isolation. One by one, friends

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just couldn't take it anymore. Exactly. Renoir's

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comment is just heartbreaking, isn't it? What

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a creature he was that Degas, all his friends

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had to leave him. I was one of the last to go,

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but even I couldn't stay till the end. It really

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underscores the tragedy. A man with such deep

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psychological insight in his paintings seemed

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incapable of maintaining basic human connection

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in his own life. It's a stark contrast. Yet,

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despite all this difficulty, his professional

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life did involve some incredibly important, if...

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ultimately complex partnerships, Mary Cassatt

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stands out. The American painter. Their connection

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seemed immediate. It did. Degas invited her to

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show with the Impressionists in 1877. They had

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a lot in common, affluent backgrounds, fiercely

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independent spirits, neither ever married, and

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crucially, a shared dedication to figure painting,

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trying to keep it relevant against the rising

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tide of landscape. They were often seen studying

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together at the Louvre. And their partnership

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went deep into the studio, technically. Degas

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made these really innovative prints of Cassatt

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looking at art, experimenting with process. And

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she studied printmaking with him directly. Right

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there in his studio, using his press, between

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1879 and 1880. She also posed for him. She's

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in his millinery series. And importantly, she

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was instrumental in helping him sell his work

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in America. That provided vital income for him

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after his family's financial mess. But as seems

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to be the pattern with Degas, the collaboration

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eventually fractured. Abruptly, the technical

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side ended when he suddenly pulled out of a Prince

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journal they were planning together. And the

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personal relationship suffered too. The Dreyfus

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affair again? It created an unbridgeable gap.

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Cassatt was strongly pro -Dreyfus, totally opposed

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to his anti -Dreyfusar position. There's that

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telling story about the portrait he painted of

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her, Mary Cassatt seated, holding cards. Yes,

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Cassatt eventually sold it. And she said, quite

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forcefully, she didn't want people to know she'd

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posed for it because she felt it made her look

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like a repugnant person. Wow. speaks volumes

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about the emotional toll of being subjected to

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Degas' intense, maybe unforgiving psychological

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gaze. It really does. But what's fascinating

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is, despite that rift, despite her feelings about

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that portrait, the sources confirm they kept

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visiting each other right up until his death

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in 1917. So the professional respect, maybe some

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deeper bond, managed to survive the political

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and personal clashes. It seems so. Beyond Cassatt,

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you know, he was also important for Suzanne Valadon.

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He bought her first drawings, taught her soft

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ground etching. And we have to mention Manet

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again. Their rivalry, their dynamic, was key

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in pushing Degas towards contemporary scenes.

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That relationship is still generating major exhibitions

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even now. Absolutely. And although Degas didn't

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have formal students in the traditional sense,

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his influence was huge. His methods, the line,

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the viewpoints, the study of movement, they profoundly

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affected younger artists. Jean -Louis Foran,

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Walter Sickert, Cassatt herself, and maybe most

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significantly, Henri de Toulouse -Lautrec. Toulouse

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-Trec really carried that Degas gaze into the

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next generation, didn't he? He absolutely did.

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Into the cabarets and brothels of Montmartre.

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Hashtag outro. So as we wrap up this deep dive,

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Edgar Degas really resists any simple box, doesn't

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he? He's just defined by these powerful contradictions.

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He really is. You've got the reluctant modernist,

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a founder of the Impressionist shows who hated

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the name, insisted he was a classical academic

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artist who just happened to paint modern life.

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You've got the meticulous draftsman following

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Ingress, using that incredible skill to show

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the reality of working women, the tired laundress,

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the disciplined dancer, capturing those fleeting,

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almost random moments of Paris. And then there's

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the man. Misanthropic, demanding privacy, whose

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cruel wit and rigid politics drove friends away.

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Yet this is the artist revered for creating some

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of the most profound, psychologically complex

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portraits ever made. Exposing the inner lives,

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the isolation of the people he observed. His

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lasting importance, it seems, lies in that unique

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synthesis. Taking the highest technical standards

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of the old masters. And applying them with this

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disruptive modern viewpoint, influenced by photography

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by Japanese prints. He really was the bridge.

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between, say, 15th century tradition and the

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20th century way of seeing. Which brings us to

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our final provocative thought for you to consider.

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Degas believed famously that a painter needed

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no personal life. It led him to deep solitude

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and, sadly, to prejudice. He pushed people away.

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So the question is, did that self -imposed isolation

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that made he necessary distance and difficult

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detachment, did it actually give him the unique

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perspective he needed? Was it required to capture

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that profound, often uncomfortable psychological

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isolation, that raw truth we see in his greatest

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work? It's a compelling question to think about

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as you look again at the work of this brilliant,

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difficult, utterly contradictory artist.
