Welcome to the Deep Dive. Our mission here is
simple. We take a whole stack of sometimes pretty
dense source material and we try to pull out
the key stuff, the insights you really need to,
well, know what's going on. Yeah, get properly
informed. Exactly. And today we are focusing
on an actor whose career is just. It's a masterclass,
really, in versatility, in complexity, and frankly,
just being unforgettable. We are diving deep
into Walton Goggins. Filmography, personal story,
even his work behind the camera. All of it. Because
we want to get past just recognizing him as,
you know, that guy. Right. He's so much more
than that now. It's a necessary deep dive, I
think, because Goggins is like the perfect example
of an actor who starts out as that guy you always
see. The character actor everyone recognizes
but maybe can't name. Totally. But then through
just sheer heartbreak. hard work, smart choices,
he's completely, utterly moved beyond that label.
He's become this critical favorite, Emmy nominee
magnet, and yeah, a producer too. Absolutely.
And when we look at the sources we've got here,
this comprehensive biographical stuff, it covers
his life from Alabama, Georgia, right up to where
he is now an Emmy nominated lead actor. The story
is just, it's one of a relentless worker. Tireless
is the word. Yeah. Who kind of found his groove
playing these flawed, often very Southern characters,
but then just kept breaking out of that box again
and again. Exactly. We're not just listing roles
here. We're looking at the why. You know, why
him? Why is he the actor everyone calls for that
intense moral gray area? Good question. And how
is he just as convincing playing a truly sadistic
plantation overseer one minute and then a sort
of poetic backwards criminal the next or even
a hilariously petty vice principal? And now.
This post -apocalyptic ghoul. It's incredible
range. He's really cemented himself as one of
the most, maybe the most versatile Southern actors
working today. You look at the big ones, Shane
Vendrell in The Shield, the amazing Boyd Crater
in Justified, and now Fallout. We're going to
unpack how he got there. Okay, let's do it. And
to really get a handle on that, that specific
intensity he brings, that energy, you almost
have to start at the beginning, right? Yeah.
Trace that path from the South. Definitely. The
South is... It's the bedrock for him. You hear
it in his voice sometimes, see it in his posture,
and for sure in the projects he chooses. He was
born Walton Sanders Goggins Jr., November 10,
1971. So it's 53 now. Born in Birmingham, Alabama,
yeah. But it was Lithia Springs, Georgia, that
suburb of Atlanta where he really grew up those
formative years. And you feel like that small
town southern upbringing gave him something like
an authentic grounding that he could tap into
later for his best work. Oh, absolutely. That
background, that geography. Yeah. You can't really
understand his creative work without it. Lots
of actors from the South try to shed that identity
when they hit Hollywood, right? Yeah, they smooth
out the accent. Exactly. But Goggins leaned into
it. He leveraged it. Yeah. Education -wise, pretty
straightforward. Graduated at Lithia Springs
High, went to Georgia Southern University. But
crucially, only for a year. Just one year. The
standard college path wasn't for him. Nope. He
ditched it pretty quick for a more direct route,
a practical approach to acting. Which leads us
straight to that big decision when he was still
a teenager. He realized, look, if I'm serious
about this acting thing, George is not going
to cut it. Right. So he moves to Los Angeles.
He's 19. 19? That's incredibly young to land
in L .A. trying to make it. And it wasn't like,
you know, doors just opened for him. Oh, God,
no. Far from it. This was the absolute classic
Hollywood struggle, the grind, that period that
really tests you. You know, moving to L .A. at
19, you're basically fighting thousands of other
hopefuls just trying to figure out how to make
rent. The sources we have really emphasize how
tough he was then, taking acting classes, auditioning
nonstop. And working survival jobs. Totally.
Working in an L .A. fitness, running a valet
parking business, just hustling to stay afloat.
And I think that period is so important because
you see that survival instinct, that hustle reflected
in some of his most dynamic characters later
on. He learned how to fight for it. It's crucial
to remember that struggle. Yeah. Because we see
the polished star now, the Emmy nominee, but
those early years were just pure grit. And interestingly,
his very first acting jobs, they weren't even
in L .A. where he was hustling. They were back
home. Back in Georgia, yeah. His first few gigs
were regional. Yeah. And that's actually where
the single most important meeting of his entire
career happened. Okay. While he was filming a
TV movie back in 1990 called Murder in Mississippi,
he met Ray McKinnon. Ray McKinnon. Okay, now
that connection, I mean, you really can't overstate
how important that turned out to be, can you?
No way. It wasn't just meeting another actor.
It was the start of this incredibly deep, long
-lasting, creative partnership. It basically
shaped the next, what, 30 years of their work
in independent film? It's foundational, like
you said. Absolutely foundational. McKinnon and
Goggins, they clicked immediately. They realized
they had this shared viewpoint, this understanding
of Southern life and stories that, you know,
Hollywood often just... didn't get or turned
into a caricature. Right. Oversimplified it.
Totally. So their collaboration wasn't just about
finding acting jobs for each other. It was about
building something together or shared vision.
They worked together constantly. And eventually
that led them to form their own production company,
Ginny Mule Pictures. That meeting on murder in
Mississippi. Less about a single job. More about
starting this lifelong, creative, and frankly,
entrepreneurial team. Okay, so moving on from
that early grind and finding that key partner
in McKinnon, we get to the roles that really
start to define the Walton Goggins we know. And
you have to start with The Shield. Oh, absolutely.
The Shield. Running from, what, 2002 to 2008?
That show was revolutionary for its time. It
really paved the way for all those dark, morally
murky, anti -hero dramas that came after. And
Goggins played Detective Shane Vendrell. part
of Vic Mackey's corrupt strike team. This role
absolutely cemented his ability to play these
incredibly complex, deeply flawed guys, characters
whose moral compass is just broken. Yes, spinning
wildly. Right. And the audience, you were kind
of forced to empathize or at least understand
this guy who is capable of doing truly terrible
things, betrayals. And what's so striking about
this Shane Vendrell is the... The physicality
he brought, that sort of coiled up intensity,
like he could just snap at any second. Yes, that's
exactly. And that intensity, that kind of dangerous
energy, it perfectly set him up for the next
huge role, which, I mean, for many people, it's
the Walton Goggins role. Boyd Crowder in Justify.
Boyd Crowder, FX, 2010 to 2015. What a character.
The kind of religious, eloquent, philosophical
outlaw. The perfect counterpoint to Timothy Olyphant's
Raylan Gibbons. Just perfect casting, perfect
rivalry. And here's where we get. Maybe the greatest
what -if story in recent TV history. It's amazing.
Lay it on us for anyone who doesn't know the
incredible behind -the -scenes story here. Boyd
Crowder, he was supposed to die in the pilot
episode. No way. Seriously. Goggins' character
was written as a one -and -done villain. You
know, Raylan takes him out in the first episode,
establishes Raylan as the hero, sets the stakes
high. Boom. Done. Imagine Justified without Boyd
Crowder. It's literally unimaginable. That dynamic
is the show for so much of its run. So why did
he survive? What happened? What did Goggins do?
It was the performance. Simple as that. Showrunner
Graham Yost kept Boyd alive because Goggins'
portrayal just scored off the charts with test
audiences. Wow. They didn't just like him. They
were completely captivated by this weird mix
of Southern charm, the born -again fervor, the
kind of intellectual darkness. It was magnetic.
That audience reaction was so strong, Yost and
the writers realized they just couldn't kill
him. It would have been crazy. The power of a
single performance literally rewriting the future
of a hit show. That's incredible. Because of
that audience reaction, Goggins joins the main
cast from season two, May 2010, and boom, TV
history. And that decision obviously paid off
massively in terms of critical acclaim, too.
Goggins got nominated for the Primetime Emmy,
Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series,
for Justified, specifically for the episode The
Eye of the Storm. Right. And beyond the Emmy
nom, he got, what, four Critics' Choice Television
Award nominations for playing Boyd? That consistent
recognition tells you this wasn't just a sloop
or a popular character. He was operating at an
absolutely elite award level for years in that
role. Now, interestingly, right in the middle
of playing Boyd Crowder, he takes this absolutely
massive swing with a character that proved he
could do, well, almost anything. Completely different
from the tough Southern guys, Venus Van Damme
in Sons of Anarchy. Venus Van Damme, yeah. Appearing
between 2012 and 2014, that role was, it was
a risk. Definitely, but also Revelation. He played
Venus, a transgender sex worker on the show.
And brought such vulnerability to it. Incredible
vulnerability and depth. Something maybe viewers
who only knew him as Shane or Boyd wouldn't have
expected. It's the kind of stretch, the kind
of range that very few actors even try, let alone
pull off with that level of sensitivity and,
frankly, grace. And again, this wasn't just some
random stunt casting. It connects back to those
crucial relationships he built early on. Exactly
right. Goggins had worked before with Kurt Sutter,
the creator of Sons of Anarchy. Sutter was a
writer and EP on The Shield. Ah, the connection.
Right. So there was already that trust there,
which probably made it easier for Goggins to
take on such a challenging, potentially controversial
part. And for the real nerds, the fans who followed
his whole career, there was that fun little inside
joke. The name. The name. Venus Van Damme. It's
a callback, a playful nod to the undercover name.
His S .H .I .E .L .D. character, Shane Vendrell,
used sometimes. Cletus Van Damme. Oh, that's
brilliant. Isn't it? It sort of ties his whole
FX journey together, showing respect for where
he came from while he's pushing himself into
totally new territory. When you think about those
three characters, Shane, Boyd, Venus, just how
memorable and distinct they all are, it's really
no surprise that critics start saying, OK. This
guy is something special. He's more than just
a supporting player. Yeah, which leads us right
to that perfect quote, that critical summary
of this whole period. It was Mike Hale at The
New York Times who wrote, Wow. That's a hell
of a statement. It's not just saying he's good.
It's saying he elevates everything. He pulls
focus, creates his own gravity in a scene. He's
not just there to support the lead. He's creating
this whole other equally compelling, sometimes
more compelling storyline just with his presence.
Now, something that often gets maybe not overlooked,
but certainly less attention than his acting
is the parallel track he was on as a producer.
Right. This is crucial. Goggins wasn't just sitting
around waiting for the phone to ring with the
perfect script. He was out there actively creating
his own opportunities, telling the kinds of stories
he wanted to tell, especially those stories reflecting
that specific, nuanced view of the South he shared
with Ray McKinnon. It shows a real drive for
creative control, doesn't it? Absolutely. And
that ambition, that drive, it was channeled directly
through their production company, Ginny Mule
Pictures, which they co -founded. Goggins and
McKinnon. And these weren't just like little
vanity projects. These were serious, critically
acclaimed, award -winning independent films.
Rooted in that shared sensibility you mentioned.
Exactly. The output from Ginny and Beale Pictures,
it shows this really clear, focused commitment
to indie storytelling. Particularly stories centered
on complex, character -driven narratives, often
set in the South. They made four key films that
really established them. Okay, what was the progression
there? Because it seems like they found success
pretty quickly. They did. First up was The Accountant,
which is a short film. We'll come back to that
one. Then came Crystal, which landed a spot in
the Sundance Dramatic Competition. That's a huge
deal in the indie world. Major validation. Definitely.
Then they made Randy and the Mob. And finally,
That Evening Sun, which was a big success for
them, won the South by Southwest Special Jury
Prize and also the Best Ensemble Cast Award at
SXSW. So yeah, these films show they were serious
players. But let's circle back to The Accountant.
The short film from 2001. Because this is, this
is the moment he becomes an Oscar winner. While
he's still kind of grinding it out as a supporting
actor on TV. It's kind of mind -blowing when
you put it in that timeline, right? Goggins starred
in The Accountant. He co -produced it with McKinnon
and Lisa Blount. And it wins the Academy Award
for Best Live Action Short Film. Incredible.
Think about that. He's simultaneously hustling
for roles on shows like The Shield, doing the
whole actor grind, and boom, he's an Oscar -winning
producer. It just immediately puts him in this
different category of creative talent. Very rare,
rare. And the recognition wasn't just the Oscar,
right? There was other indie cred that came with
it. That's right. They also shared the Spirit
of Slamdance award for The Accountant. Slamdance
is all about that truly independent, maybe even
rebellious filmmaking spirit. Winning that award
alongside the Oscar, it really validated their
whole approach doing things their own way outside
the mainstream system. And the success and the
connections they built through Ginny Mule Pictures
that directly paved the way for one of the most
highly regarded, critically beloved dramas of
the 2010s. Rectify. Ah, yes, Rectify. Such a
beautiful contemplative show. And the story behind
it is a perfect illustration of Goggins' influence,
not just as an actor, but as a sort of curator
or tastemaker. Ray McKinnon created the series,
obviously. This deep, complex story about Daniel
Holden, the guy released from death row after
nearly 20 years. And Goggins was actually set
to play Daniel Holden initially. Wow, Goggins
as Daniel. That would have been very different.
Fascinating. What happened there? Well, McKinnon
wrote the pilot. Ginny Mule developed it. And
AMC actually bought the script first. Yeah. So
big hopes for it on a major network. OK. But
eventually, the project moved over to Sundance
TV for production. And when it landed there,
the lead role ultimately went to Aiden Young,
who was fantastic. It really was. So while Goggins
didn't end up starring in it. His influence through
Ginny Mule, through his long partnership with
McKinnon, his fingerprints are all over that
show's DNA. The development, the tone, the Southern
Gothic feel, it just confirms that his impact
goes way beyond what you see on screen. He's
deeply invested in bringing these specific kinds
of meaningful, character -focused, often Southern
stories to life. So while he's winning Oscars
for producing short films and absolutely owning
premium cable with roles like Boyd Crowder, Goggins
is also building this incredibly varied feature
film resume. often playing characters, especially
in Westerns, that tapped into that same darkness
he perfected on The Shield. Yeah, he became sort
of an essential ingredient for directors, particularly
Quentin Tarantino, who needed a certain kind
of unsettling villain, someone intelligent but
also capable of real sadism. Let's start with
Django Unchained back in 2012. He played Billy
Crash. What was it about that role that was so
chilling? Billy Crash. He was just cold. A sadistic
overseer, a slave fighting trainer at Candyland.
Goggins played him with this kind of controlled,
efficient cruelty. It wasn't like Boyd Crowder
where the malice sometimes comes wrapped in philosophy.
Billy Crash was just purely functionally evil
and effective. That performance got him a nomination
as part of the ensemble for a San Diego Film
Critics Award. And then just a few years later,
another Tarantino film, The Hateful Eight in
2015, playing Captain Chris Mannix. And this
shows his range even within Tarantino's world,
right? Because Mannix is totally different. Totally
different from Billy Crash. Mannix is, well,
he's louder, more volatile, maybe a bit more
insecure. He claims to be the new sheriff of
Red Rock, but nobody really believes him. He's
almost more of a... kind of desperate, maybe
slightly buffoonish figure compared to the calculated
evil of Crash. Right. More bluster. Yeah. Lots
of bluster. It let Goggins play with the comedic
aspects of the character's sort of political
posturing and his rising panic as things go sideways
in that cabin. Really showed his control over
nuance, even in that heightened Tarantino style.
Yeah. He got a Saturn Award nomination for that
one and won the Hollywood Film Award as part
of that amazing ensemble. And it wasn't only
Tarantino seeing that range. Spielberg cast him,
too, in Lincoln back in 2012. He played Clay
Hawkins. Just the fact that he can jump from
Tarantino's stylized violence to Spielberg's
historical prestige drama, that really says something
about his versatility around that time. And he
was working constantly in features during that
period. 2010 to 2018, just hopping genres like
crazy. He became that actor, that really reliable
character actor that big studios knew they could
plug into almost anything to add some grounding
or some specific flavor. You really see that
reliability in the blockbusters and franchises
he popped up in. Oh, yeah. In 2010, he withstands
this really nasty death row inmate being hunted
on an alien planet in Predators. The next year,
2011, he's like, hunt a bandit in Cowboys and
Aliens. Then he starts getting roles in these
huge franchise movies. He was the main villain,
Matthias Vogel, in the Tomb Raider reboot in
2018. And then he enters the Marvel Cinematic
Universe, which further kind of solidified him
as that go -to guy for a specific kind of villain.
Not the world -ending threat, but something more
tangible. Exactly. Sonny Burch in Ant -Man and
the Wasp, also 2018. He wasn't these old Thanos.
He was a criminal arms dealer, a black market
tech guy. It made the threat feel more immediate,
more grounded, even in a superhero movie. Same
year, he's Lawrence in Maze Runner, The Death
Cure. He just has this knack for making the bad
guy feel specific, injecting a bit of gritty
reality into these massive spectacles. Okay,
so he's got this thriving film career doing dramas,
westerns, franchises. But then comes maybe the
most surprising pivot of all, his collaboration
with Danny McBride on HBO. A full dive into comedy.
But not just any comedy, like really dark, uncomfortable,
hilarious comedy. It's kind of amazing how easily
he made that. chump, isn't it? From the intensity
Boyd Crowder to, well, to Lee Russell. What does
that shift tell us about his range as a performer?
The two characters he created with McBride, starting
with Vice Principals from 2016 to 2017, they
showed off a completely different comedic toolkit.
Lee Russell in Vice Principals. He was the ultimate
passive -aggressive schemer. Right. Just pure,
manic, petty ambition. Determined to become principal
no matter what it took. It was a masterclass
in weaponized insecurity. And so different, so
dynamic compared to the kind of quiet menace
he often did and got a major recognition, officially
stamping him as a comedic force. He won the Critics'
Choice Television Award for Best Supporting Actor
in a Comedy Series in 2018 for Lee Russell. That
win basically told the industry, OK, this guy
isn't just versatile. He's genuinely brilliant
at comedy, too. And that partnership with McBride
continued, moving into the completely bonkers
world of The Righteous Gemstones, starting in
2019 and still going strong. And this time, he
transforms again, completely, into Baby Billy
Freeman. Baby Billy. Oh, my God. He's just a
masterpiece of tragicomic eccentricity. The hair,
the outfits, the desperate attempts at showbiz
comebacks, the constant scheming against his
own family. This behavior. Yes. It's just brilliant
character work. It takes this specific commitment
to playing, like... Geriatric failure with absolute
sincerity. And Goggins just nails it. He got
nominated for a Satellite Award and a Hollywood
Music and Media Award for Baby Billy, proving
again that his dramatic intensity translates
perfectly into comedic desperation. And all of
this, the intense drama, the award winning comedy,
it seems to have built towards this incredible
recent run. Massive high profile roles that have
put him right at the center of the cultural conversation,
leading to this amazing string of Emmy nominations.
Yeah, 2024 really felt like the year of Goggins,
largely because of Fallout. Playing that dual
role, Cooper Howard, the charming pre -war movie
star. Right, the sort of cowboy actor ideal.
And then the completely transformed ghoul. The
cynical, noseless, 200 -year -old bounty hunter
wandering the wasteland. The physical transformation
is obviously huge with the makeup for the ghoul,
but the performance demands so much more. He
has to balance centuries of cynicism and survival
with flashes of the man Cooper Howard used to
be. And that performance got massive and totally
deserved attention. Crucially, it led to his
first nomination for the Primetime Emmy Award
for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series
for Fallout, specifically for the episode The
Ghouls. That's huge, moving definitively from
supporting to lead actor recognition. It's a
major career milestone. Plus, an Astra TV Award
nomination for the same role. The guy is just
on fire. And showing absolutely no signs of hitting
the brakes. Looking ahead to 2025, he's already
lined up for the third season of probably the
buzziest show on TV right now, The White Lotus.
Yep, scheduled play character named Rick Hatchett
in season three. And what's truly wild is the
anticipation and the early industry buzz around
that casting were so strong, he's already been
nominated for the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding
Supporting Actor in a Drama Series for that role.
before it even airs. That's insane. Nominated
for lead actor for Fallout and supporting actor
for White Lotus, basically back to back, while
still doing gemstones? It's an incredible level
of career momentum. Very few actors ever hit
that kind of peak across multiple genres and
formats simultaneously. Okay, so to really round
out this deep dive, we need to step back from
the characters, the awards, the career trajectory,
and look at the man himself. Because Walton Goggins'
personal story has its own share of surprising
crisps, some funny, some deeply tragic, plus
this real entrepreneurial streak. Yeah, let's
start with something kind of unexpected, a little
humanizing detail, especially when you think
about his very expressive, sometimes intimidating
on -screen presence. He's missing his front teeth.
Or he lost them as a kid. Right. The source material
confirms the specific kind of dramatic story.
He lost his front teeth playing baseball as a
kid when someone accidentally threw the ball
right at his face. Ouch. Yeah. It's just one
of those details that adds a layer of maybe vulnerability
underneath all the tough guy roles he sometimes
plays. Definitely. Now, moving into his adult
personal life, it's been marked by real joy,
but also, as you said, by profound tragedy. His
first marriage was to Leanne Knight. She was
Canadian, owned a dog walking business there
in Laurel Canyon. They got married back in 2001.
And that marriage ended incredibly sadly just
a few years later, during what must have been
a really tough time for him personally. Yeah,
it's heartbreaking. Leanne Knight died by suicide
in November 2004. And the source notes that while
they were estranged at the time, they were still
legally married when she passed away. It just
points to an unimaginably difficult, complicated
period in his life. A stark contrast to the relentless
energy we often see from him on screen. It's
a heavy thing to carry. For sure. And maybe,
you know, you contribute somehow to the depth
of pain or loss he can convey so convincingly
in his roles. He did find stability and happiness
again later. He remarried in August 2011 to filmmaker
Nadia Connors. And they have a child together.
And it seems clear, maybe partly because of those
earlier experiences, that Goggins really values
time for reflection, for personal growth. At
one point, he took a pretty significant break,
a sabbatical. And traveled, right, extensively
through India. Exactly. And he didn't just, you
know, disappear on vacation. He turned that experience
into another creative outlet. He shared photography
from the trip on a blog he kept at the time.
It was called Hindu to You Too. Okay. Which just
confirms, again, his creative energy. isn't just
limited to acting. He seems to be this inherently
visual person, a storyteller, documenting his
own journey. And beyond the creative side, the
acting, the producing, the photography, he's
also a businessman. An entrepreneur, extending
his sort of personal brand into consumer products.
Right. He's a partner in a spirits company, Mulholland
Distilling. Which kind of feels like a natural
fit, right? That sort of southern, maybe slightly
old school, but cool, refined vibe he has. Totally.
But his latest venture is pure 21st century celebrity
marketing, really playing on his distinctive
look and newfound mainstream fame. The eyewear.
The active eyewear designing, yeah. And the promotion
for it was huge. A co -branded commercial with
GoDaddy that ran during the Super Bowl in 2025.
Super Bowl LAX. Wow, his first Super Bowl ad.
First. Which really signals this massive jump
in his overall cultural visibility and his commercial
bankability, leveraging the stardom he's built
up, especially from Fallout. Finally, we should
also touch on his voice work. Because it proves
that intensity, that distinctiveness. It comes
through even when you can't see his face. Absolutely.
He's the voice of Cecil Stedman in the animated
superhero show Invincible. He's been in like
21 episodes. And Cecil Stedman is. He's a classic
Goggins -esque character, right? Morally gray
government guy operating in the shadows. Perfectly
in his wheelhouse. Complex, potentially ruthless.
Doing bad things for maybe good reasons. Maybe
not. And he also lent that unmistakable voice
to a true crime podcast back in 2020. Deep cover.
The drug wars. So, yeah, whether you're seeing
him or just hearing him, that power, that intensity,
it's always there. Hashtag tag outro. Well, this
deep dive has really, I think, laid bare the
incredible range and just the sheer amount of
critical acclaim Walton Goggins has earned over
his career. We've gone from, you know, the gritty
realism of Shane Vandrell on The Shield. to the
poetic menace of Boyd Crowder, then that amazing
award -winning jump into comedy with Lee Russell
and Baby Billy Freeman, and now this absolutely
iconic transformation into the ghoul in Fallout,
he just seems fundamentally unwilling to do the
same thing twice. He really is the definition
of an actor whose career just keeps getting richer,
keeps accelerating even well into it, moving
from being maybe the best supporting actor on
TV to a genuinely recognized Emmy -nominated
lead. I think it's crucial, like we discussed,
to also remember his impact behind the camera.
Absolutely. We can't forget Ginny Mule Pictures.
That early Oscar for The Accountant is astounding.
the quality of films like That Evening Sun or
the foundational role they played in getting
a masterpiece like Rectify off the ground. Yeah,
his career isn't just about the roles he gets
offered. It's about actively shaping and curating
these compelling, often very specific regional
stories that push boundaries, whether it's the
raw intensity of The Shield or the bizarre, nuanced
absurdity of The Righteous Gemstones, that dual
status powerhouse actor and Oscar winning producer.
It gives him a pretty unique position in the
industry. Which I guess leads us to our final
thought for you, the listener. When you consider
Goggins' deep southern roots, Alabama, Georgia,
and his proven track record as a producer focused
on those rich, complex, regional stories with
Ginny Mule, how does that dual career really
work together? You know, being this highly visible
star, getting massive Emmy nominations, while
also being this behind -the -scenes champion
for independent southern voices, how does that
enrich the whole landscape of storytelling today?
That's a great question. And maybe. What other
kinds of project stories that really speak to
that Southern experience might he be quietly
developing right now through Ginny Mule, even
while he's off filming huge shows like The White
Lotus? It might be worth going back and exploring
that Ginny Mule filmography, seeing what kinds
of stories really fire him up. What might be
next? A really compelling thought. It reminds
us his most interesting chapters might still
be ahead. Thank you for joining us for this deep
dive. Yeah, thanks, everyone. We'll see you next
time.