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welcome to the deep dive the place where we cut

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through the noise to analyze the architects of

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creative genius oh today we are focusing on a

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musician whose main instrument doesn't just you

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know play notes it does way more oh yeah It conjures

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elephants, mimics car horns, builds entire industrial

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soundscapes. We're diving deep into the career

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of Robert Stephen Ballew. Adrian Ballew. Adrian

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Ballew, exactly. A self -taught phenomenon whose

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sound design became just as influential, maybe

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even more so, than his guitar playing itself.

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That's a perfect way to put it. Adrian Ballew

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is, while he's an American musician, singer,

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songwriter, record producer, does a bit of everything.

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Anti -instrumentalist. Definitely. Noted for

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abilities across multiple instruments. But yes,

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his reputation is really cemented by that unique

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approach to the electric guitar and his vocals.

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You can't mistake those vocals. Critics consistently

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describe his playing as incredibly versatile,

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fluid, expressive, often using that phrase you

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mentioned that his guitar resembles animal noises

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or mechanical rumblings. And that versatility,

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that's really the core of our mission today,

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isn't it? I think so. We're looking for the shortcut,

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the way to really grasp his staggering career

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arc. I mean, how did a self -taught cover band

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musician from Kentucky, how did he manage to

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become the musical foil for someone like Frank

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Zappa, then lead guitarist for David Bowie, and

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eventually the conceptual frontman for one of

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the most, let's face it, intellectually demanding

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prog rock bands ever, King Crimson. It's a pretty

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wild trajectory, almost unlikely, you know? Totally.

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So our blueprint today, we'll trace it chronologically,

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but also analytically. We'll start by tracing

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the genesis of that unique sound, that sort of

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crucial moment of self -discovery that defined

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his whole tone. Then we'll move into that intense

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rapid fire period. We're calling it the crash

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course collaborations that basically launched

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him professionally. The late 70s, early 80s.

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Exactly. After that, we absolutely have to dissect

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his decades -long tenure leading King Crimson.

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That's huge. Can't skip that. No way. And finally,

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we'll unpack the true depth of his innovation,

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the specific techniques, the immense gear setup,

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and his pioneering role in music technology,

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which is often overlooked. Okay. Sounds like

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a plan. Let's trace this path back, back to the

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genesis, starting in Covington, Kentucky. Robert

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Stephen Blue. Born 1949. Mm -hmm. Started out

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simply as Steve. And remarkably, the guitar wasn't

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even his first love, was it? No, not at all.

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He was originally a drummer, played in the Ludlow

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High School Marching Band. Right. And later in

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a local cover band called the Deanums, just playing

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drums. So how did the guitar happen? Well, the

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Pivoty guitar was purely accidental, really,

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driven by illness. Illness. Yeah, it was bedridden

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with mononucleosis. Illness. Mono. And that forced

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downtime just led him to pick up the guitar.

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Wow. And who inspired him, though? Initially,

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Jimi Hendrix. That was the initial, like, explosive

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inspiration. Makes sense. He was also heavily

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influenced by Lonnie Mack, who actually later

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became a close personal friend and collaborator.

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That's cool. But this is where the story gets

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really interesting, I think. This is what defines

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his future success. Yeah. Baloo never pursued

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formal music study, entirely self -taught. Completely.

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Learned everything by listening religiously to

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records. Now, here's the crucial moment. The

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core insight into his genius, maybe. Okay. He

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wasn't aware of the studio manipulation. The

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compression, the overdubs, the huge reverb units.

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Yeah. All the stuff used to create some of those

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really strange, distinctive guitar lines he was

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hearing on those records. Exactly. Precisely.

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Because he didn't realize those sounds were artificially

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constructed in the studio. Right. He just decided

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he had to replicate them manually, instantly,

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in real time. Which meant? Which meant he had

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to find... really unusual playing techniques

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and combined an ever -expanding array of effects

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pedals in ways that, frankly, nobody else was

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using. So that misunderstanding, that became

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the catalyst. The single greatest catalyst for

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his trademark style. Yeah. His entire musical

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philosophy was pretty much established right

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there. Yeah. He was determined to avoid sounding

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like everybody else. And boy, did he accomplish

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that spectacularly. Didn't he just. That decision

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led directly to his signature sound. making the

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guitar mimic literal sound effects, whether it

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was, you know, a car horn, an industrial drone,

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or those bizarre, unmistakable animal noises

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that would later define some of his biggest hits.

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That really was the formation of the Lone Rhino

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identity, which became his first solo album title.

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Ah, okay. By the mid -1970s, he adopted the first

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name Adrian and moved to Nashville, still playing

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covers. with that band Sweetheart. Right. And

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it's important to remember, just before his breakthrough,

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he was seriously questioning his future, wondering

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if he'd missed his chance to make a living playing

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original music. Really? He was thinking of packing

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it in. Apparently so, on the verge of giving

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up on the dream entirely right around 1977. Talk

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about destiny intervening. Wow. Right. That near

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-miss retirement sets the stage perfectly for

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part two. This dense five -year period from 77

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to 82, the crash course, as you called it, where

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he just played with titan after titan of progressive

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and new wave music. And the first titan, of course,

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Frank Zappa. The Zappa skill of rock. Absolutely.

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This period, 1977, 1978, it really was that.

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The discovery story itself is legendary. How

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did Zappa find him? Zappa found him playing with

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Sweetheart at Fanny's Bar in Nashville. He was

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tipped off by a chauffeur. A chauffeur! Get out!

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Yeah. The chauffeur insisted Zappa had to check

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out this guy who made his guitar sound like,

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quote, a truck driving down the street or something

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like that. I love that. The chauffeur is A &amp;R

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man. Yeah. But the first audition apparently

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was pretty daunting. Zappa's band. Exactly. Baloo,

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totally self -taught, suddenly surrounded by

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these formally trained jazz and classical musicians

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Zappa was trying out. He felt he performed really

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poorly. Oh, no. He actually had to plead for

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a second chance, a more intimate audition. which

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Zappa granted, in his living room. Okay, that's

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better. Yeah. That environment let Baloo's unique

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personality and his ability to just conjure sounds

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immediately shine through, and Zappa hired him,

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guitarist and vocalist, for a year. And Baloo

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described that year as... A profound crash course

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in music theory. That's his term. Because before

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Zappa... Before Zappa, Baloo just knew what sounded

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right to him by ear. Zappa, who was this incredibly

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rigorous musical intellectual, basically forced

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him to learn the language. So complex time signatures.

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Oh, yeah. Intricate arrangements, mastering parts

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that required absolute precision. It was an intense

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professionalization of his raw talent. A real

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baptism by fire. And his role in the band was

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incredibly demanding too, wasn't it? He had to

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be Zappa's sort of mirror image. Essentially,

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yeah, covering his leader's parts. When Zappa

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sang, Blue played Zappa's complex guitar part.

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Okay. And conversely, when Zappa launched into

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a guitar solo, Blue sang Zappa's vocal line.

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Wow. That's an intense workout in both musicianship

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and just sheer stamina. Absolutely. But beyond

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the musicianship, Zappa also needed this element

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of visual chaos and absurdity in his shows. Right.

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And Blue just totally embraced the role of the

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band clown. He was theatrical. Doing impressions.

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Doing impressions, yeah. Dead on ones. Most famously,

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Bob Dylan on the track Flakes. I remember reading

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about his willingness to just engage in pure

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theatrical absurdity. Didn't he say something

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like... Yeah, the quote is something like, need

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someone to wear a flashing helmet and bounce

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around like a robot. How about Adrian? Need someone

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to wear a dress on stage. There's always Adrian.

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Huh. So that performance instinct, that theatrical

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side, was really nurtured under Zappa. Fully

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nurtured. He appeared on the 1979 album Chic

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Your Booty, sang Leon tracks like Jones Crusher

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and City of Tiny Lights. Right. And he's all

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over the concert film Baby Snakes. Okay, so Zappa

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was the crash course. Then, almost immediately,

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he bridges the gap to David Bowie. Immediately.

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Yeah. 1978, 1979. And the recommendation came

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from Brian Eno. Ah, Eno, of course. Eno was working

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with Bowie at the time. Baloo accepted the gig

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because Apple was tied up editing that Baby Snakes

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film and wasn't planning to tour right away.

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So straight into the deep end again. Lead guitarist

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and backing vocalist for Bowie's massive 1978

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Isler C -Sec World Tour. Which is documented

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on the live album Stage. Great record. Yeah.

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And he also contributed to the 1979 studio album

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Lodger. And their professional relationship was

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clearly strong because Baloo came back over a

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decade later in 1990 to be the musical director

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for Bowie's Big Sound Plus Vision tour. That's

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right. OK, Zappa, Bowie. But the next major collaboration

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is maybe the most fraught. Talking Heads and

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the Tom Tom Club. Yeah, starting around 1979,

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this gets a bit messy. So he befriended the Talking

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Heads in New York. Right. And was hired to add

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guitar solos to their absolutely seminal 1980

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album, Remain in Light. Which are incredible

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solos. Oh, totally. Signature Baloo sounds all

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over that. His work was so impressive that he

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joined the expanded nine -piece touring band

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they needed to perform that complex album live.

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And that's documented on the name of this band

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as Talking Heads. That's the one. But that era

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introduced some significant internal friction

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within the band. Ah. The story about him potentially

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replacing David Byrne. Allegedly, yeah. The rhythm

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section, Tina Weymouth and Chris Franz supposedly

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suggested Baloo replace Bryna's frontman. Tensions

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were apparently running high. Wow, and Baloo!

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Baloo very diplomatically declined the offer.

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Although Chris Franz later publicly denied the

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proposition was ever formally made. So, you know,

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conflicting accounts there. Still, it speaks

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volumes about Baloo's charisma and musical authority

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at that point, that he was even considered as

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a replacement for an icon like Byrne. Absolutely.

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But the drama didn't end there. He then joined

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Weymouth in France for their debut side project,

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the Tom Tom Club. Working at Compass Point Studios

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in the Bahamas. Right. Paradise turning a bit

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sour, maybe. He played on the massive hit single

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Genius of Love, provided that instantly recognizable

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riff. Oh, yeah. Everyone knows that riff. Such

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a perfect blend of, like, funk rhythm and his

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trademark tone manipulations, weird springy sound.

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But this is where the friction turned toxic,

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right? Apparently so. The recording engineer,

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Stephen Stanley, according to Baloo anyway, took

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some liberties during mixing. Unilaterally erased

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the majority of Baloo's guitar solos. Ouch. That's

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brutal. Yeah. And the breakdown became complete

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when Baloo requested songwriting credits for

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his contributions, which seems reasonable given

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that riff. You think so. Weymouth apparently

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stopped talking to him. And he immediately ceased

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working with the group. Never contributed to

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future records. Never played live with them again.

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Wow. That's a sad end to what was clearly a highly

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fruitful creative period. It really is. I mean,

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think about it. Baloo was essentially operating

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in four different artistic lanes simultaneously.

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Zappa's Precision. Bowie's Electronic Art Pop.

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Talking Heads' New Wave Funk. And the Tom Club's

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Minimalist Groove. He navigated all of them by

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establishing his unique sound, yet he also clearly

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understood when an environment just became professionally

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untenable. So that intense five -year collaboration

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period, absorbing theory, embracing theatricality,

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developing his sonic identity under massive pressure,

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that leads directly to the defining chapter of

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his career. Becoming the front man of King Crimson.

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Yeah. How did that connection happen? It started

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with Robert Fripp, the conceptual leader, the

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constant in King Crimson. Fripp had been watching

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Baloo closely. He was impressed by his guitar

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work with Bowie and also with Baloo's own newly

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formed band in 1980, Gaga. Gaga. So Fripp approached

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him about joining a new four -piece project.

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Initially, they called it Discipline. And Baloo

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accepted. He did. He apparently saw it as an

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escape from the strained, kind of politically

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charged environment of the Talking Heads camp

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at that point. Makes sense. He joined on one

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crucial condition. Yeah. Which Fripp agreed to.

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He had to be allowed to continue his burgeoning

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solo career alongside the band's commitment.

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Smart move. And the lineup. The lineup? Solidified

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with Frippin' Blue on guitars. Joined by former

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King Crimson and Yes drummer Bill Bruford. Legend.

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Absolute legend. And the incredible bassist and

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Chapman Stick player Tony Levin. Okay, we should

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probably pause there for a sec. Define the Chapman

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Stick for people who might not know. Good idea.

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The Chapman Stick. It's essentially a... 10 or

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12 string sort of guitar bass hybrid instrument.

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But it's played primarily by tapping the strings

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with both hands like a keyboard player. Right.

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So Levin used it to cover both complex bass lines

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and rhythmic chordal patterns, often simultaneously.

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It was absolutely key to the sound of this new

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King Crimson. Got it. And during their initial

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tours, the name Discipline was ditched. Yeah,

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they pretty quickly renamed themselves King Crimson,

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which carried a lot more historical weight, obviously.

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And this decision really cemented Baloo's historical

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significance within the band, didn't it? Hugely.

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He became the first guitarist to formally play

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alongside Fripp on an equal, truly collaborative

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footing. They were dual guitarists. Fripp wasn't

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the sole six -string authority anymore. And lyrically.

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Furthermore, yeah, Baloo became the first King

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Crimson singer to write the vast majority of

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his own lyrics. He took on the primary conceptual

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burden for the whole 80s era of the band. That

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era started really successfully with Discipline

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in 1981. That album is defined by those sharp,

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complex, interlocking rhythms, like new wave

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-infused prog. It still sounds fresh. But the

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tension that would kind of define their working

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relationship that soon emerged when they started

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recording the follow -up albums beat in 82 and

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three of a perfect pair in 84. Those sessions

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got difficult. Increasingly difficult, by all

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accounts. We know that Baloo bore the brunt of

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the songwriting pressure, being the mainly resistant

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singer. And he and Fripp frequently clashed,

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argued over the band's musical approach, the

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overall sound. What was the core disagreement,

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do you think? Well, Fripp is, you know, a master

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of conceptual rigor. He often favors texture,

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intricate mathematical composition, discipline,

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you could say. Right. Baloo brought a more instinctive,

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melodic, sometimes even a pop -oriented sensibility

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to these complex structures. Plus that whole

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sound effects thing. It was bound to create friction.

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Given that friction, though, why did Fripp keep

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him fronting the band for basically another two

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decades on and off? That's a great question.

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He was the essential creative counterweight.

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I think that's fair. But the disagreements did

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ultimately take their toll. Fripp split the band

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again after the 1984 tour. But, as often happens

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with King Crimson, Exactly. The camaraderie and

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respect remained strong enough for a major reunion

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about a decade later. They were formed in 1994.

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As a sextet this time. Yeah, expanding to a sextet.

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Adding drummer Pat Mastolato and war guitarist

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Trey Gunn. Okay, another specialized instrument,

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the war guitar. Yeah, similar concept to the

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Chapman stick. It's also a tapped string instrument

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used for highly complex rhythmic and harmonic

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layers. Perfect for this newly expanded, really

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dense lineup they called the double trio. And

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that lineup released Thrak in 1995. Correct.

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And Baloo stayed deeply involved even during

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the intermittent periods after that. Specifically,

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he participated in those experimental side projects,

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Fripp, called the Projects. Starting in 97. Yeah.

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And interestingly, despite being the lead guitarist

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in Crimson Prime, Baloo predominantly played

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electronic drums in these projects. Showing off

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his original instrument skills. And his willingness

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to always serve. The sonic needs the concept,

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whatever that might be. The group eventually

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reduced back down to a quartet for the construction

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of Light in 2000 and the power to believe in

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2003. And we know Baloo played a really critical

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role in just the band's functional existence

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during this time. Between 2000 and 2008, King

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Crimson used Baloo's home studio in Mount Juliet,

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Tennessee for rehearsals and studio work. Cementing

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his status as a key operational member, not just

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a creative one. Absolutely. It was one of the

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longest, continuous incarnations of King Crimson,

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really. Baloo's tenure was second only to Fripp

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himself in terms of longevity within the band's

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history. But it eventually concluded. September

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2013, Fripp announced yet another new lineup.

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As Fripp does. And this one did not include Baloo.

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marking the end of an era defined by his unique

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sonic exploration and lyrical insight. Ah, major

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chapter closed. Okay, so while all that intense

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work was happening inside King Crimson and during

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the Crash Course collaborations before that,

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Baloo was meticulously building his parallel

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solo career. Yeah, never stopped. And that career

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is characterized by this incredible swing between

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radical experimentation and genuinely surprising

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pop chart success. That ability to just swing

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between commercial viability and really out there

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avant -garde noise, that's a defining trait of

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Baloo. He released his first solo album, Lone

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Rhino, in 1982, fulfilling that condition he

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set for Fripp. That's right. The album included

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material from his earlier band, Gaga. and feature

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that poignant, kind of adorable instrumental

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duet with his four -year -old daughter, Audie,

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on piano. Aw, he followed up quickly with Twang

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Bar King in 1983. Yep, standard rock album, relatively

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speaking. But then, let's talk about the album

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he jokingly, or maybe not so jokingly, called

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The Contract Killer. Huh. Desire, Caught by the

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Tail, 1986. Yeah. This was wildly experimental,

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entirely instrumental, made solely with processed

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guitar, guitar synthesizer, and percussion. And

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this is where you really see that tension between

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artistic need and commercial reality play out.

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Baloo explicitly stated that the aggressively

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avant -garde nature of this record, it cost him

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his contract with Island Records. They just didn't

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know what to do with it. Pretty much. For Baloo,

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though, this album was clearly an artistic necessity.

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a pure exploration of what the electric guitar

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could sound like if you detached it entirely

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from traditional melody or structure, favoring

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texture and sound manipulation over chord changes.

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He prioritized that artistic expression, even

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knowing it might jeopardize his mainstream career

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path. Absolutely. That defiance, however, didn't

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stop him from swinging back towards a more song

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-focused collective effort. In 1985, he formed

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The Bears. With Rob Fetters, Chris Arducer, and

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Bob Neiswanger, friends from his early sweetheart

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days in Nashville. Exactly. The Bears was a very

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conscious attempt to create a unified group.

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Shared vocals, collective songwriting, offering

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a much more structured kind of power pop approach

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than King Crimson allowed. They released two

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albums. Before breaking up in 1989, mainly because

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their label, PMRC, collapsed. But they kept that

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core relationship going. reuniting intermittently

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for studio albums later on, like Car Caught Fire

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and Eureka. It's fascinating how quickly he could

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pivot back to pop, though. The late 80s saw him

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hit real commercial success as a solo artist.

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Yeah, his 1989 album Mr. Music Head produced

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the single Oh Daddy, which reached number five

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on the U .S. modern rock chart. And that was

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the duet with his daughter Audie again, now 11

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years old. A sweet callback to that first solo

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album. And the success continued with Young Lions

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in 1990. which strategically featured guest appearances

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by David Bowie. Resulting in two more hits. The

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duet Pretty Pink Rose, which hit number two on

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U .S. Modern Rock. Huge hit. And Men in Helicopters,

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which got to number 17. And this pop peak happened

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at the exact same time he was working as the

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musical director for Bowie's massive Sound Plus

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Vision tour. That just showcases his incredible

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ability to balance wildly different musical demands.

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Complex prog work one minute, straight ahead

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pop sensibility the next. Mind -boggling multitasking.

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But the internal innovator never rested, did

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he? He doubled down again on his experimental

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side by launching the Experimental Guitar Series.

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Right. Volume 1, The Guitarist's Orchestra, came

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out in 1995, and this is a phenomenal example

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of his technological pioneering. It's an album

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of atonal contemporary classical music realized

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entirely on MIDI guitar. Entirely. Maybe we should

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explain MIDI guitar quickly. Good idea. Okay,

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so a MIDI guitar uses a specialized pickup. It

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converts the vibrational signals of the strings

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into MIDI data, musical instrument, digital interface

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data. Just like a keyboard synth. Exactly. This

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digital data can then control synthesizers, samplers,

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anything that understands MIDI. It allows the

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guitar to sound like literally anything, a piano,

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drums, a flute, or in this case, a full orchestral

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brass section. So Baloo used his guitar to digitally

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model and play every single instrument in an

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orchestra for that entire album. Yeah. just showcasing

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the guitar's potential far, far beyond its traditional

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sonic limits, pushing the envelope again. Moving

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forward a bit, let's acknowledge his significant

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role in industrial music, too. Oh, yeah, the

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Nine Inch Nails connection. He became Trent Reznor's

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guest guitarist of choice, apparently. Appeared

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on four major NIN albums across 19 years. The

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Downward Spiral, The Fragile, Ghost's IV, and

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Hesitation Marks. That's a serious run. Reznor's

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trust in Baloo's ability to just create unique,

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often brutal textures and industrial noise is

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really well documented. The connection was strong

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enough that Baloo was even briefly named NIN's

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touring guitarist in 2013, though he left before

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any live dates happened. Why was that? Reportedly

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due to differences in touring logistics and expectations.

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Just didn't quite match in practice, it seems.

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Okay. In the 21st century, he established a long

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-term touring unit, the Adrian Ballou Power Trio.

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Right. Featuring two former students from the

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Paul Green School of Rock, interestingly, Eric

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Slick on drums and Julie Slick on bass. And they

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released the album E in 2009, continuing that

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tradition of complex, precise, yet really aggressive,

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progressive music. A great live band, too. And

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he remains intensely active, doesn't he? That

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versatility was seen again when he scored the

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Pixar short film Piper in 2016. Beautiful score.

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Gorgeous. And on the road, he continues to connect

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the dots of his own history. Like touring in

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2023 with Jerry Harrison on the Remain in Light

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tour, playing the music he helped create four

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decades earlier. Full circle. And most recently

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in 2024, he joined Tony Levin, Steve Vai, and

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tool drummer Danny Carey in that supergroup Beat.

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Specifically performing the music of the 1980s

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King Crimson lineup, which must be incredible

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to hear live with that lineup. Absolutely. This

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ongoing high -level activity perfectly validates

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our final segment then, focusing on the sheer

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ingenuity of the man and his methods. Yeah, let's

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dive into the specifics. The innovator style.

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gear and influence. We've talked conceptually

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about his signature sound, but let's get really

00:23:01.650 --> 00:23:03.970
specific. Okay. He's noted for a playing style

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featuring just bizarre electronic tones, really

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unorthodox techniques, and sonic effects that

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explicitly mimic the natural and mechanical world.

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Animals, birds, insects. Vehicles, industrial

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mechanical noise. You name it, he's probably

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tried to make his guitar sound like it. And the

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sounds themselves are iconic. That chorus riff

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in Paul Simon's You Can Call Me Al. That's him,

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right? Highly rhythmic, kind of quirky sound.

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That's him. The infectious, really springy riff

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on Tom, Tom Club's genius of love. Him and again.

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Him again. And perhaps most definitively, those

00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:39.160
elephant impressions he creates on King Crimson's

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track, Elephant Talk. Okay, how does he do that

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one? Well, that Elephant Talk sound. It isn't

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just one effect pedal. It's a combination of

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unorthodox technique and deep processing. Technique

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-like. He uses the vibrato bar, the whammy bar,

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extensively. Yeah. Coupled with pitch shifting

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effects, often those classic electro harmonics

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pedals like a whammy or similar to simulate that

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lumbering, wide ranging pitch of an elephant's

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trumpet call. Big bends, slides. Got it. So how

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does he achieve this level of sonic texture generally?

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The list of his extended techniques is just staggering.

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It goes way beyond standard guitar playing. Oh,

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yeah. It includes two -handed tapping, like Van

00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.400
Halen, but often more textural, pick scrapes

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along the strings, unorthodox slide guitar techniques,

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using objects like actual metal files to physically

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attack the strings. Using files? Seriously? Whatever

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it takes to get the sound, one of the most unusual

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techniques is actually bending the neck of the

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guitar itself. Doesn't that damage the guitar?

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On a standard guitar, yeah. Bending the neck

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risks damaging it. But Ballou does this purposefully

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to modulate pitch way beyond what the standard

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vibrato bar can do. He treats the entire structure

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of the guitar, the wood, the metal, the strings,

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as a sound -making object. Wow. He even produces

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sounds from off the fretboard, like from the

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string length between the nut and the tuning

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pegs or behind the bridge. He's seeking out every

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possible source of resonance or noise. So this

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means the gear isn't just an add -on. It's compositional,

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right? Totally. It's integral. He's famous for

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using an immense array, as critics say, of electronic

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effects pedals. Electro -harmonics has been a

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mainstay throughout his career. Pedals like the

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big muff distortion fuzz, the memory man delay,

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those are essential for his textural and looping

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capabilities. He builds sounds with pedals. He

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admitted once to composing specifically for the

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capabilities of his amplifiers and effects. He

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even noted once that he lamented the demise of

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a specific amplifier because, quote, he had wrote

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specific sounds and types of looping and things

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that I just can't seem to make other amps do.

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That proves it right there. The sonic pathway

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is integrated into the architecture of the composition

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itself. Exactly. And as we mentioned with the

00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:48.599
guitarist's orchestra, he was a true pioneer

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of the guitar synthesizer. One of the very first

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players to consistently use them in popular music,

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starting way back in the 1980s. He used early

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models like the Roland GR -300 and GR -1. Yeah.

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And he even owned a rare Roland GR -505 fretless

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guitar synthesizer. which shows his commitment

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to digital modeling and sound conversion really

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early on. Fretless synth guitar. Yeah. Wild.

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And in the modern era, that commitment to specialized

00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.759
instruments continues, doesn't it, with his signature

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Parker Fly guitar. Oh, yeah. He collaborated

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with Parker Guitars to design his signature model.

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And that guitar is a technological marvel. It

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features advanced, really lightweight composite

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materials. And this comprehensive electronics

00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:34.460
package built right in. Including a sustainer

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pickup, which uses electromagnetism to keep notes

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ringing indefinitely. Line's very ex -integration.

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Which digitally models dozens of different classic

00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:46.599
guitars. Exactly. So he can sound like a Telecaster,

00:26:46.660 --> 00:26:48.880
a Les Paul, an Acoustic, whatever, just by flicking

00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.579
a switch. And it has full MIDI capability built

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into it's essentially his entire sound library

00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.460
integrated into one instrument. Incredible. Now,

00:26:57.519 --> 00:26:59.579
we absolutely must talk about that magnificent

00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:02.059
visual prop that became legendary, the so -called

00:27:02.059 --> 00:27:05.640
rubber neck guitar. Ah, yes, the wiggly guitar.

00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.079
It appeared so strikingly in the Laurie Anderson

00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:10.720
film Home of the Brave and in the video for his

00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.279
1989 hit. Oh, daddy. It was just incredible rock

00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.460
and roll theater, known for its ability to dramatically

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bend and flex like it was made of rubber. The

00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.640
visual impact was huge. Bust. But Baloo revealed

00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:24.720
in 2007 that the guitar was solely an unplayable

00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:27.539
visual prop. No way. It didn't actually play.

00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:29.880
Nope. It apparently contained metal vertebrae

00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:32.099
inside to allow the flex, but it was purely for

00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:35.019
show. a fantastic piece of visual manipulation

00:27:35.019 --> 00:27:37.900
contrasting the sophisticated engineering of

00:27:37.900 --> 00:27:40.200
his actual instruments. That's brilliant. He

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hasn't stopped pushing technology forward either,

00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:44.579
has he? Even moving into the software realm with

00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:47.450
mobile apps. Right. He designed iOS mobile apps,

00:27:47.549 --> 00:27:51.029
notably FLUX .FX, which is a professional audio

00:27:51.029 --> 00:27:54.269
multi -effects app for the iPad. He said it allows

00:27:54.269 --> 00:27:56.529
him to make sounds that he actually can't achieve

00:27:56.529 --> 00:27:59.849
with any other physical gear he owns. And even

00:27:59.849 --> 00:28:03.089
more conceptually innovative is the FLUX by Baloo

00:28:03.089 --> 00:28:05.990
app. This is an application containing over 300

00:28:05.990 --> 00:28:08.710
audio tracks and pieces of artwork, engineered

00:28:08.710 --> 00:28:11.920
to, quote, never play the same twice. How does

00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.980
that work? It constantly reorganizes and remixes

00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:17.119
the audio and visual elements algorithmically

00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.779
into unique sonic and visual structures every

00:28:19.779 --> 00:28:22.059
time you launch it. It's generative art, basically.

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That's mind -bending. And the industry recognized

00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.519
this digital innovation. They did. Both apps

00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.180
were honored in the 2015 Webby Awards and the

00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:33.140
Red Dot Design Awards. Pretty prestigious. To

00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:35.240
round out his influence, we have to recognize

00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.440
his extensive session career as well. He was

00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.000
the go -to guy when you needed something completely

00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.759
unique, wasn't he? Absolutely. He contributed

00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:47.059
heavily to Paul Simon's monumental albums Graceland

00:28:47.059 --> 00:28:49.819
and The Rhythm of the Saints. His textural guitar

00:28:49.819 --> 00:28:52.759
work just blended seamlessly with those African

00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:55.119
and Brazilian influences Simon was exploring.

00:28:55.380 --> 00:28:58.380
He also played on Cyndi Lauper's True Colors.

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Laurie Anderson's Mr. Heartbreak. And in maybe

00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:05.740
the most bizarre cameo, contributed guitar to

00:29:05.740 --> 00:29:08.819
William Shatner's second musical album has been...

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Produced by Ben Folds, yeah. Baloo pops up everywhere.

00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:13.500
And let's not forget his production work either.

00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:15.660
Right. He produced albums for bands like the

00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:17.779
Raisins and the Elvis Brothers back in the 80s.

00:29:17.819 --> 00:29:20.529
And in the 90s, he branched out. Produced two

00:29:20.529 --> 00:29:23.349
tracks for Jars of Clay, including their huge

00:29:23.349 --> 00:29:25.910
crossover Christian hit Flood. Didn't know that.

00:29:26.089 --> 00:29:28.329
He also fostered international connections, producing

00:29:28.329 --> 00:29:31.410
albums for three major Mexican rock bands, Caifanes,

00:29:31.650 --> 00:29:35.109
Santa Sabina, and Jaguars. Again, proving his

00:29:35.109 --> 00:29:37.809
adaptability across genres and languages. Finally

00:29:37.809 --> 00:29:40.470
then, we have to appreciate the depth of his

00:29:40.470 --> 00:29:43.130
legacy, the influence he's had. He's cited as

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a major influence by artists across the entire

00:29:45.150 --> 00:29:48.309
spectrum of rock and pop. People like Adam Jones

00:29:48.309 --> 00:29:50.549
from Tool. You can hear that sometimes. Stephen

00:29:50.549 --> 00:29:54.349
Wilson, St. Vincent. Both Red Hot Chili Peppers

00:29:54.349 --> 00:29:57.150
guitarists. Hillel Slovak and John Frusciante

00:29:57.150 --> 00:30:01.269
were big admirers. Wow. But maybe the ultimate

00:30:01.269 --> 00:30:03.789
expression of his impact is that powerful 1994

00:30:03.789 --> 00:30:06.990
quote from Trent Reznor, who described Baloo

00:30:06.990 --> 00:30:09.750
in the simplest, most profound terms possible.

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What did he say? The most awesome musician in

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the world. High praise indeed. So when we synthesize

00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:17.859
everything we've looked at, The self -taught

00:30:17.859 --> 00:30:20.900
origins, that intense crash course under Zappa,

00:30:21.099 --> 00:30:23.940
the willingness to embrace the role of band clown.

00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:26.180
The technical rigor required for King Crimson.

00:30:26.259 --> 00:30:28.539
And that constant balancing act between pop success

00:30:28.539 --> 00:30:31.599
and avant -garde noise. The core identity of

00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.559
Adrian Ballou really emerges, doesn't it? It

00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:35.619
does. He's an innovator whose absolute refusal

00:30:35.619 --> 00:30:38.299
to sound like everybody else forged a signature

00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:40.680
sonic identity recognized all over the world.

00:30:40.940 --> 00:30:42.819
We've watched him effortlessly pivot between

00:30:42.819 --> 00:30:44.799
the industrial electronics of Nine Inch Nails,

00:30:45.059 --> 00:30:47.779
the interlocking progressive complexity of Fripp,

00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.940
and genuine radio -friendly pop success. His

00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:53.859
career is just one long, sustained study in extreme

00:30:53.859 --> 00:30:56.799
versatility and technological adoption, from

00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.299
those early guitar synths right up to the FLUX

00:30:59.299 --> 00:31:01.720
apps today. Okay, that leads perfectly to the

00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.779
final provocative thought we want to leave you,

00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.059
the listener, with today. How does this model

00:31:07.059 --> 00:31:09.720
a career built not necessarily on traditional

00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.640
virtuosity, although he has chops, but built

00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.960
entirely on cultivating and defending a unique,

00:31:16.180 --> 00:31:19.339
instantly recognizable sonic identity through

00:31:19.339 --> 00:31:22.680
constant technological pioneering. How does that

00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.240
serve as the ultimate blueprint, maybe, for musical

00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.480
longevity and creative relevance in the highly

00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.559
fragmented, rapidly changing 21st century music

00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.920
landscape? Something to think about. Thank you

00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.859
for joining us for this deep dive into the magnificent

00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:37.180
noise architect, Adrian Ballou. We'll see you

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next time on The Deep Dive.
