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Welcome to the Deep Dive. We're the show that

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unpacks the careers of modern giants, looking

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at, you know, the hidden gears behind their biggest

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hits and, well, the controversies that often

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follow them around. And today we're putting a

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really monumental filmography under the microscope.

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We're talking about the work of Quentin Tarantino.

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Yeah, the ultimate movie kid, right? The one

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who actually turned into this major auteur. He

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really is. I mean, you could argue he's the single

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most influential director of his generation.

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He's got this unique style. It's a mix of graphic

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violence, sure, but also these long, witty, pop

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culture -heavy dialogues. And all held together

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by that signature nonlinear storytelling. He

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completely broke the mold with that. Exactly.

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So our mission today is to basically... Map out

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his whole career, starting from the beginning,

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the video store days. The non -traditional path,

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yeah. Right. Then look at his style. What makes

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a Tarantino film a Tarantino film? His influence,

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not just directing, but producing, curating.

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And exhibiting film, too, which is fascinating.

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And we have to tackle the controversies because

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they're a big part of his public image. Absolutely.

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The public persona, the clashes, and hanging

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over all of it is this countdown. His plan to

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stop after 10 films. It's a huge part of the

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narrative now. But before we dive into how he

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built all this, let's just quickly look at the

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sheer scale of it. I mean, the numbers are kind

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of staggering. They really are. His films collectively

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have grossed over $1 .9 billion worldwide. That's

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just huge. That's blockbuster money, not what

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you typically expect from an indie auteur, right?

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But then you balance that against the critical

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acclaim. Exactly. It's not just money. It's serious

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recognition. Two Academy Awards for Best Original

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Screenplay, Pulp Fiction, Django Unchained. It'd

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be BAFTAs as well. And the big one early on,

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The Palm Door at Cannes for Pulp Fiction. That

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really announced his arrival. He went from indie

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darling to like critical heavyweight almost overnight

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and completely on his own terms. OK, so to really

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get Tarantino, you have to understand where he

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came from. It wasn't the usual system. He basically

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emerged from, well, a library of movies. Born

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in Knoxville, Tennessee. Right. March 27th, 1963.

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Yeah, Quentin Jerome Tarantino. And his connection

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to pop culture was there from the start. He was

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partly named after Quinn Asper, Burt Reynolds'

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character in Gunsmoke. Huh, no way. And that

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famous self -taught film education. It's legendary

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now. He skipped film school. He did. Yeah, it's

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hard to believe looking at his films, isn't it?

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Right. But he essentially made his own film school.

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That famous quote. When people ask me if I went

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to film school, I tell them, no, I went to film.

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Exactly. And that education happened in a couple

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of key places. First, he was an usher at the

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Pussycat Theater, an adult movie house, soaking

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up genre films, the raw stuff. Right. And then

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the big one, video archives. The crucial five

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years working at video archives in Manhattan

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Beach. That's where it all clicked. Five years

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surrounded by tapes, recommending movies, arguing

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about them. That must have been like a firehose

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of film knowledge. Oh, totally. It wasn't just

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shelving videos. He and his friend Roger Avery,

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they were like curators. They'd championed obscure

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B -movies, foreign films, stuff nobody else was

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watching. So he was developing that taste, seeing

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the art and genres others dismissed. Yeah, soaking

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up visual styles, narrative tricks, dialogue

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rhythms. That video store, it basically became

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the source code for his whole aesthetic. It was

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his university. But before Reservoir Dogs blew

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up, there were some early attempts, weren't there?

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Almost like myths now. Oh, yeah. Definitely.

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Raw efforts. His very first known script was

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apparently written when he was just 14. Something

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called Captain Peach Fuzz and the Anchovy Bandit.

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Fantastic title. Isn't it? But more importantly,

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there was the uncompleted film My Best Friend's

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Birthday from 87 shot on 16 millimeter. A lot

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of that got lost right in a fire. Yeah. Partially

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destroyed in a lab fire, sadly. Right. But some

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dialogue, some scenes, they survived. And he

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ended up folding bits of that into the script

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for True Romance. So even then, he was learning

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to recycle, repurpose his own ideas. And the

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money to actually get going, the seed money,

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didn't come from some studio exec. It came from

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residuals. From Elvis. Well, playing Elvis. Yeah.

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In 1988, he had this bit partisan Elvis impersonator

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on The Golden Girls. The Golden Girls. Serious.

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Yep. The episode, Sophia's Wedding, part one.

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Got paid maybe $650 up front. But the episode

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was popular. Got rerun a lot. Ah, so the residuals

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kept coming in. Over the next three years, they

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added up to about $3 ,000. And that, plus the

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stuff salvaged from my best friend's birthday,

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that was basically the pre -production fund for

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his first real feature script. Which brings us

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to Reservoir Dogs, the breakthrough. And that

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script, apparently, he just churned it out. Three

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and a half weeks. Legend has it. The script was

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just electric. He met producer Lawrence Bender.

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It got passed around. Monty Hellman got involved.

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The director. Yeah, Bender got it to Hellman,

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who helped secure some initial funding. But the

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absolute game changer was Harvey Keitel reading

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it. Right. Keitel didn't just like it. He loved

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it. Signed on immediately. Agreed to act in it

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and put money into the budget. That was huge.

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Having an established Oscar -nominated actor

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backing this unknown kid, that gave it instant

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credibility. Made it more than just another low

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-budget indie. It had weight. So Reservoir Dogs

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hit Sundance in 92. And suddenly Tarantino, who

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wrote it, directed it, even acted in it as Mr.

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Brown. He's like a virgin interpretation. That

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guy. Suddenly he's the hottest new voice in Hollywood.

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But what's interesting is while he's doing this

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edgy indie stuff, he's also moonlighting. As

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a script doctor, yeah. Yeah. On big studio movies.

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That's the fascinating part. He did uncredited

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work polishing dialogue on huge films like Crimson

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Tide, The Rock. So he's seeing how the big machine

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works from the inside. Exactly. Learning about

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high -budget action filmmaking, but consciously

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choosing not to direct those kinds of films himself.

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He got offered massive projects, right? Speed,

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Men in Black. Turn them down. Why? Control. Pretty

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much. He prioritized his vision, his control

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over the material, instead of cashing in and

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directing, say, speed. He took his reservoir

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dog's money and went to Amsterdam. Yep. Pulled

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up and wrote Pulp Fiction. And when that came

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out in 1994, well, it wasn't just a movie. It

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was a phenomenon. It completely changed indie

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film, didn't it? Cemented his style, the violence,

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the dialogue, and especially that fragmented,

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non -linear structure. Absolutely. And the success

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was insane. Over $200 million worldwide. Wins

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the Palme d 'Or, gets him and Roger Avery the

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Oscar for Best Original Screenplay. It proved

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you didn't need a straight line to tell a story

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that connected with a massive audience. Okay,

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so let's dig into that style. From the video

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store origins to the actual cinematic signature,

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people call his work postmodern. What does that

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really mean for a film like Pulp Fiction? Well,

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yeah, he's obviously drawing heavily on film

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history. He's not creating in a vacuum. Right,

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he's a massive film nerd. Exactly. The postmodern

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part is really about the synthesis. He takes

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genres that were maybe looked down on, spaghetti

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westerns, blaxploitation, Hong Kong martial arts

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films, and he mashes them up. Like Sergio Leone's

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westerns. He talks about those a lot. Huge influence.

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Once upon a time in the West, the good, the bad,

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and the ugly. But it's not just the gunfights

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he takes. It's that stretched out tension, the

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cool factor, the moral ambiguity. And mixing

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that with, say, blaxploitation, what does that

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mashup achieve? Okay, so blaxploitation films

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from the 70s, like the Mac or Foxy Brown, they

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had this specific energy. gritty street level,

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often focused on black antiheroes, super stylized.

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So when Tarantino fuses the kind of Leone -esque

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cool and moral gray areas with the visual flair

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and attitude of blaxploitation, think Jackie

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Brown, he creates something new. It feels vintage,

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but also totally contemporary. He's picking the

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cool parts of film history and stitching them

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together. And he pulls from everywhere, does

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any Hong Kong action, Sonny Chiba. Oh, yeah.

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Cult figures. He even championed obscure Filipino

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directors like Sirio H. Santiago, called him

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a personal icon. And his admiration for other

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filmmakers like Brian De Palma. That led to casting

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Travolta, right? Directly. He loved De Palma's

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blowout and saw something in Travolta that Hollywood

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had kind of forgotten, which obviously paid off

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massively in Pulp Fiction. And he has some surprising

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takes, too, like Calling Jaws, the greatest movie

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ever, not necessarily the best film. Yeah, that

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distinction is interesting. It shows he values.

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Cure cinematic experience, the ride, maybe even

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over high art refinement sometimes. It's about

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impact. So the influences are this rich tapestry,

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but the structure, that non -linearity, that's

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maybe the most recognizable Tarantino effect.

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It's more than just shuffling scenes around,

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though. It's deliberate. By shifting the timeline,

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he plays with how you understand the characters,

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their motivations. Information gets withheld,

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then revealed. It ramps up the tension. You see

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someone die, then later you see what led up to

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it, which totally changes how you feel about

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them. Exactly. You see it in Pulp Fiction, Reservoir

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Dogs, Kill Bill, Hateful Eight. It's a core tool

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for him. And we know it's intentional because

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Tony Scott directed True Romance from Tarantino's

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script, but Scott made it linear. Right, and

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it became this high -energy thriller, totally

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different vibe from what Tarantino probably intended,

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which was more character -focused. That linear

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True Romance is like the perfect contrast to

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his own directing style. For Tarantino, the structure

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is part of the theme. Okay, structure aside,

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the dialogue is probably the other half of the

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equation. Oh, absolutely. It's what makes it

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all work, arguably. It's that mix of really mundane

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pop culture stuff right before or after something

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incredibly violent happens. It grounds everything.

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You've got hitmen talking about burgers in France

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or gangsters debating Madonna lyrics. A royale

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with cheese. Like a virgin breakdown. These hyper

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real trivial conversations make these often extreme

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characters feel weirdly human, relatable even.

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They argue about tipping, about foot massages.

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It makes the sudden shifts to violence even more

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jarring. And that contrast is where his dark

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humor comes in, right? Definitely. Which leads

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us to the violence itself. We have to talk about

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it. It's constant. It's graphic. It's always

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been controversial. And he's always defended

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it, hasn't he? Famously saying. Because it's

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so much fun. Yeah. He argues his films are dramas,

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but they have this sense of humor that makes

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you laugh at unexpected, often uncomfortable

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moments. Even though the body counts can be really

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high. Oh, yeah. The data is pretty stark. Like,

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Reservoir Dogs had, what, 10 deaths? But over

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400 profanities. Yeah. Django Unchained. Fewer

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swear words, but like 47 deaths. The intensity

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is always there. Another structural thing he

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does is build his own universe. The Tarantino

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cinematic universe. Yeah, he's actually laid

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it out. A two -tiered system, right? Exactly.

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Tier one is the realer than real world. Films

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like Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, Once Upon

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a Time in Hollywood, they exist in a reality

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pretty close to ours, just maybe a bit heightened.

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Okay. And tier two. Tier two is the movie movie

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universe. These are the films that the characters

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in tier one would actually go and watch. So like

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Kill Bill or From Dusk Till Dawn are the kind

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of B movies Vincent Vega might watch. Precisely.

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That explains why those films are even more stylized,

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more extreme. They're literally meant to be movies

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within his other movies. Yeah. It justifies the

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comic book visuals, the anime sequences in Kill

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Bill. That's actually quite clever, and this

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extends to the product placement, or lack thereof.

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The fictional brands, yeah. Big Kahuna Burger,

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Red Apple Cigarettes, Jackrabbit Slims. Why do

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that? Just to avoid dating the films. That's

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part of it, yeah. Keeps them timeless. But it

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also reinforces that self -contained universe.

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These brains pop up across different films, connecting

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them subtly. It makes his world feel more cohesive.

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Okay, before we move on from style... We kind

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of mentioned the feet. Ah, yes. Feet. It's become

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this huge internet thing, hasn't it? The constant

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close -ups on bare feet. He gets asked about

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it all the time. What's his take? He tends to

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get defensive. Dismisses it as just good direction.

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Says other great directors did it too. Buñuel,

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Hitchcock, Sofia Coppola. It does seem really

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prominent in his films compared to others, doesn't

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it? I mean, yeah. The frequency and the specific

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framing. It feels like more than just coincidence,

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whether it's a conscious fetish or just a recurring

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visual attack. It's definitely become one of

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his unmistakable signatures, maybe even a distraction

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for some viewers. So a director with such a specific,

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intense style, they often need a loyal crew,

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right? People who just get it. Tarantino seems

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to have built his own kind of repertory company.

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Oh, absolutely. That loyalty is key to the consistency.

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The most obvious example is Samuel L. Jackson.

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Yeah, nobody delivers Tarantino dialogue quite

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like him. He's been in, what, five films Tarantino

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directed, plus True Romance, which he wrote.

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Six total. Knowing Jackson will deliver the lines

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lets Tarantino write specifically for that voice,

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that rhythm. It deepens the whole thing. And

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then there's Uma Thurman, his muse. Integral

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is the word. Three films. Obviously, Kill Bill

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is the peak of that collaboration. They develop

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the bride character together. That partnership

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really shaped those two films entirely. Shows

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the trust involved. But maybe the most amazing

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collaboration story recently, the one that really

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shows his impact, is Christoph Waltz. Waltz is

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incredible. He was basically unknown in the U

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.S., working mostly in European TV for decades.

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Then Tarantino casts him as Hans Landa in Inglourious

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Bastards. And boom! Oscar for Best Supporting

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Actor. Instantly. And then he does it again a

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few years later for Django Unchained. Tarantino

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didn't just cast him. He saw this incredible

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talent nobody else stateside had tapped into

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and gave him this massive platform. Twice. That

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loyalty extends behind the camera too, doesn't

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it? Especially in the editing room. Sally Menke.

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Ah, Sally Menke. Her importance can't be overstated.

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She edited every single one of his films until

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she sadly passed away in 2010. He called her

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his number one collaborator. You did. And think

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about her job. Taking these non -linear scripts,

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often shot out of order, and making them flow,

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making them tense instead of just confusing.

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She was the architect, making those complex structures

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work so beautifully. Her loss was huge for his

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filmmaking process. Now, thinking back to his

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video store roots, that love of film history

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wasn't just for his own movies. He actively tried

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to promote other films, right? As a curator.

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Absolutely. That drive led him to set up Rolling

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Thunder Pictures back in 95 with Miramax. The

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whole idea was to distribute or re -release indie

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and foreign films he loved, but that weren't

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getting seen. Like Wong Kar -wai's Chungking

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Express. Beautiful film. Exactly. And exploitation

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stuff like Switchblade Sisters. He wanted to

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give these films a platform. But it didn't quite

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take off commercially. Sadly, no. The films got

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critical praise, but sales weren't great. And

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Meermak shut it down after a couple of years.

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But the impulse didn't die. He just shifted tactics.

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Using his own name. The Presented by Quentin

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Tarantino tag. That became his new tool. And

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it was brilliant marketing. His name was a stamp

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of approval for audiences who trusted his taste.

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It gave films mainstream attention they wouldn't

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have gotten otherwise. Totally. He used it for

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stuff like Iron Monkey, a Hong Kong martial arts

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film, and most successfully, Zhang Yimou's Hero.

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Hero opened at number one in the U .S., didn't

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it? It did. Grossed over $50 million. All thanks

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to that. Presented by TAG. He was leveraging

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his own fame to champion other people's work

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he believed in. He even got involved in producing

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a documentary. Yeah, Freedom's Fury in 2006.

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It's about that insane blood in the water water

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polo match between Hungary and the Soviet Union

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at the 56 Olympics right after the Hungarian

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uprising. Politically charged story. Incredibly.

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Tarantino heard about it, was captivated, said

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it was the best story he'd ever heard and wanted

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to help get it made. His name helped secure funding

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and distribution. And finally, his most literal

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commitment to film, buying theaters. This is

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like the ultimate film preservationist move,

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isn't it? In 2010, he bought the New Beverly

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Cinema in L .A. And made that pledge. As long

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as I'm alive, and as long as I'm rich, the New

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Beverly will be there, showing films shot on

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35mm. It's a direct stand against digital, a

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commitment to the physical experience of film.

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And he didn't stop there. He bought the Vista

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Theater recently, too. Yep, in 2021. Same intention.

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Keep it running as a first -run theater, but

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only showing movies projected on actual film.

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He's putting his money where his mouth is when

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it comes to preserving the format. Okay, this

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leads us neatly into the big thing hanging over

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his career right now. The countdown, this self

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-imposed limit of exactly 10 films. It's such

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a Tarantino move, isn't it? Curating his own

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legacy down to the exact number of entries. His

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reasoning is pretty interesting, too. He doesn't

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want to end on a dud, basically. Right. He talks

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about avoiding the horrible last movie that contained

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a great director's filmography. He said ending

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on a decent movie is rare and ending on a good

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movie is kind of phenomenal. He's shooting for

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phenomenal, trying to craft this perfect finished

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set. And just to clarify the count, Kill Bill

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counts as one film, volumes one and two together?

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Correct. Which makes Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

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from 2019 his ninth. He's got one left in the

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chamber. The pressure on that tenth film must

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be immense. And he had one planned, right? The

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movie critic. He did. Set in 1977 about a guy

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reviewing movies for a porn mag. Sounded very

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Tarantino -esque, very cinephile -centric. But

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then he pulled the plug. Shelved his final film.

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Why? He said he was really excited about the

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writing phase. But when it came to actually making

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it, dramatizing it, he just wasn't feeling it.

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He admitted he wasn't really that excited about

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dramatizing what I wrote. Wow. So the commitment

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to quality, or maybe just his personal connection

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to it, overruled the deadline. Seems like it.

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He wasn't going to force it just to hit the number

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10. He'd rather wait and get it right, even if

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it means delaying the final chapter. So what's

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he doing instead, if not the 10th film right

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now? Well, he's talked about wanting to write

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a stage play. and generally just taking his time,

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letting the right idea for the final film come

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to him, maybe waiting at least a year, which

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fits with how he approaches writing anyway. Right,

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he talks about screenwriting starting as novel

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writing for him. Yeah, he drafts extensive prose

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first, gets deep into the characters and world,

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almost like writing a novel, then formats it

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as a screenplay. Believes it helps the characters

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emerge fully formed. Exactly. Gives them that

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depth, that backstory, which fuels the dialogue.

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And this literary side has become a really significant

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part of his output lately. The book deal with

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HarperCollins. Yeah, a two -book deal. First

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was the novelization of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

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in 2021, which wasn't just the script. It added

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backstory, changed perspectives, a companion

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piece, really. And then cinema speculation. His

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film history book came out in 2022. Essays on

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70s new Hollywood cinema, mostly. Deep dives

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into films and filmmakers he loves. Really successful,

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too. And he's gone back to his roots with the

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podcast. Video Archives Podcast, yeah. With Roger

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Avery, his old video store buddy. They just watch

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old tapes, talk about movies they rented out

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back in the day. It's like full circle. The curator

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and the creator coming together again. His strong

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opinions have even gotten him official critic

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status, right? On Rotten Tomatoes, yeah, since

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2020. And his takes are pure Tarantino. championing

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stuff like Ishtar, saying Psycho II is better

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than Hitchcock's original. He's never going to

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just follow the consensus, even as a critic.

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And his skepticism about digital projection,

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that ties into the retirement plan too, doesn't

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it? Absolutely. He's been very blunt about not

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wanting to make films if 35mm disappears entirely.

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He sees digital as sterile, lacking the magic,

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says he won't even make it to 60 as a filmmaker

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in a purely digital world. So the retirement

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is partly an artistic statement, a stand against

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how he sees the industry changing. OK, so we've

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talked about the genius, the style, the legacy

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curation. But you can't discuss Tarantino without

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discussing the controversies. They're just as

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much a part of his story. Definitely. And maybe

00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.759
the longest running one is about his use of racial

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language, specifically the N -word. Yeah, that

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goes way back, particularly the public feud with

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Spike Lee. Started around Jackie Brown in 97,

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Lee called out Tarantino's infatuation with the

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word. And Tarantino's defense has always been

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pretty fiery. Very. It boils down to a writer's

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right as he sees it. He insists he should be

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able to write any character, use any language

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necessary to make them feel authentic to their

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world. I demand the right to tell the truth as

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I see they are. That kind of thing. Exactly.

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He argued it was true to the setting of Jackie

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Brown. He even called Lee's criticism racist

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for trying to limit him based on his own race.

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It's a really fundamental disagreement about

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art, language, and ownership. And it blew up

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again with Django Unchained, obviously. Given

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the subject matter. Oh, yeah. Using that language

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so frequently in a film about American slavery,

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hugely polarizing. Spike Lee famously refused

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to see it, called slavery a holocaust, not material

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for a Sergio Leone spaghetti Western. Bo Samuel

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L. Jackson, who starred in it, defended Tarantino.

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Jackson argued it felt authentic to the period

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and characters. Tarantino maintained he made

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Jackie Brown, for instance, primarily for black

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audiences and was just reflecting the world.

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It's a debate that's never really gone away.

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And there's the whole Hardy -Weinstein connection.

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Weinstein was crucial to his early success with

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Miramax. Absolutely pivotal, which made the reckoning

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during the hashtag MeToo movement incredibly

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difficult and public for Tarantino. He eventually

00:21:35.670 --> 00:21:38.069
admitted he knew more than he let on. Yeah, he

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gave that quote, I knew enough to do more than

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I did. admitted that both Mira Sorvino, who he

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dated, and Uma Thurman had told him about Weinstein's

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advances. It was a painful admission of complicity,

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or at least inaction. And how he described Weinstein,

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a fucked up father figure, that says a lot. It

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really does. Captures that complex mix of gratitude,

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dependency, and ultimate moral horror. Explains

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the hesitation maybe, but he did eventually condemn

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him. He also had to apologize for some really

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bad comments about Roman Polanski that resurfaced.

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Right, from a 2003 interview where he seemed

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to downplay Polanski's crime, suggesting the

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victim wanted to have it. Just awful stuff. And

00:22:17.450 --> 00:22:19.980
when confronted later. He apologized fully in

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2018, said he was incorrectly playing devil's

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advocate just to be provocative, which kind of

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highlights a recurring theme, right? Prioritizing

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the edgy statement over maybe thinking through

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the implications. That confrontational side comes

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out a lot, not just with critics, but industry

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people, talk show hosts. Oh, yeah. The Denzel

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Washington clash during Crimson Tide script doctoring

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over perceived racist dialogue, though Denzel

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later said they buried the hatchet. than the

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actual physical fight with Don Murphy. The producer

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of Natural Born Killers. Yeah, Murphy wrote some

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critical stuff about him. Tarantino apparently

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found him in a restaurant and insulted him. Ended

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up in court. Had to pay a fine. And the David

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Letterman story is wild. Letterman tells it like

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Tarantino called him up absolutely furious over

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some joke Letterman made about an ex -girlfriend

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screaming threats like, I'm going to beat you

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to death. Seriously? Over a joke? Apparently.

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Letterman said he only got this really awkward

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grudging apology years later when Tarantino needed

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to promote a film on his show. It just paints

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a picture of this incredibly volatile personality.

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And that volatility definitely extends to journalists

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who push him. Famously so. That Channel 4 interview

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in 2013 where the journalist kept pressing him

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on the link between movie violence and real violence.

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He completely lost it. I'm not your slave. I'm

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not a monkey. Yeah, just shut down the whole

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line of questioning with extreme anger. And more

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recently, at Cannes, when asked if Margot Robbie

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had too few lines in Once Upon a Time, he just

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flatly said, I reject your hypothesis. He does

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not like his artistic choices being questioned.

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Finally, his very public stance on police brutality,

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that caused a huge storm. It really did. October

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2015, he attended a rally in New York, spoke

00:24:02.660 --> 00:24:05.960
very passionately. Calling murder, murder and

00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:08.900
murderers, murderers. Exactly. I'm a human being

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with a conscience. When I see murder, I cannot

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stand by. Very strong words. Which led to police

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unions calling for a boycott of the hateful eight.

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Immediately. NYPD union, others across the country.

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It was a serious backlash, potentially hurting

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the film's release. So he had to walk it back

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a bit. He clarified, yeah. Said all cops are

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not murderers. And that being it, an anti -brutality

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protest didn't make him anti -police. He insisted

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he was talking about specific cases, citing names

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like Eric Garner, Tamir Rice. But it was a clear

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instance where his activism directly clashed

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with his business. Hashtag tag outro. So looking

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back at everything, Quentin Tarantino's career

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is just this incredible story, isn't it? The

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ultimate film geek who studied the masters and

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then became one himself. Absolutely. Built this

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legacy through homage. Yes. But also real innovation.

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And all alongside this, shall we say. very colorful

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and controversial public persona. He's definitely

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a unique force, highly studied, critically lauded.

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I remember reading he was the most studied director

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in the UK at one point. Yeah, back in 2013. And

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yet constantly generating debate. But you can't

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deny the critical peak winning all four major

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U .S. Critics Awards for Pulp Fiction. L .A.,

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National Board of Review, New York National Society.

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First director ever to do that just cemented

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his status. And now here he stands right on the

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edge of this self -declared retirement. One film

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left. One shot to stick the landing to avoid

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that horrible last movie he fears. And we know

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he's willing to scrap ideas like the movie critic

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if they don't feel absolutely right for that

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final statement. The pressure must be unbelievable.

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It's not just got to be a good film. It has to

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somehow cap off this entire meticulously curated

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10 film arc. It's the ultimate narrative challenge

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for him. Can he control this final chapter as

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perfectly as he controls the scripts? So. The

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big question for all of us watching is, will

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this immense pressure to deliver the perfect

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ending be the one story he can't quite script?

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Or will Tarantino, the master curator, pull off

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one last masterpiece, sealing his 10 -film legacy

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exactly as planned? That's the cliffhanger, isn't

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it? We'll just have to wait and see what he delivers.

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That's our deep dive for today. Thanks for joining

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us. We'll see you next time.
