WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.520 Welcome to The Deep Dive, the place where we 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:05.080 sift through the sources you provide and extract 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:07.320 the crucial context and captivating insights. 00:00:07.660 --> 00:00:10.119 Glad to be here. Today we're embarking on a deep 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:12.800 dive into the evolution of James Patrick Anthony 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:15.679 Doerr, better known as Jimmy Doerr. He's the 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:17.899 American stand -up comedian and political commentator 00:00:17.899 --> 00:00:21.719 who really successfully built a bridge from the 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.280 traditional comedy circuit right into the heart 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:27.019 of modern independent media. It's a really compelling 00:00:27.019 --> 00:00:29.339 study, actually. You look at the career longevity 00:00:29.339 --> 00:00:33.420 and the adaptation involved. We're tracing a 00:00:33.420 --> 00:00:35.479 professional journey that starts way back in 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:38.640 1989 and continues today. It demonstrates this 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:42.140 remarkable ability to pivot and, well, grow alongside 00:00:42.140 --> 00:00:44.460 the media landscape itself. Right. He's 60 years 00:00:44.460 --> 00:00:46.899 old now. And the sources show he really mastered 00:00:46.899 --> 00:00:50.600 that shift, moving from late night TV appearances 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:53.329 and public radio. To becoming this dominant, 00:00:53.450 --> 00:00:55.630 independent digital personality. It's quite the 00:00:55.630 --> 00:00:57.670 transformation. It really is. And when we talk 00:00:57.670 --> 00:01:00.929 about dominance in the digital space, we really 00:01:00.929 --> 00:01:03.469 need to frame this deep dive with some context 00:01:03.469 --> 00:01:06.849 on his current reach. This is, I think, the crucial 00:01:06.849 --> 00:01:09.269 context for understanding the sheer scale of 00:01:09.269 --> 00:01:10.650 his influx. Absolutely. You have to look at the 00:01:10.650 --> 00:01:12.870 numbers. His flagship channel, The Jimmy Dore 00:01:12.870 --> 00:01:15.109 Show on YouTube, it's been running since 2011. 00:01:15.870 --> 00:01:18.430 And the sources confirm he has cultivated an 00:01:18.430 --> 00:01:22.739 audience of, get this, 1 .62. million subscribers. 00:01:23.180 --> 00:01:25.480 Which is huge for an independent channel. Huge. 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:28.500 And critically, his content has generated over 00:01:28.500 --> 00:01:32.260 one billion views. One billion. Yeah, that billion 00:01:32.260 --> 00:01:34.439 views milestone isn't just a big number. It really 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:36.959 signifies a platform that operates way outside 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:41.000 of those legacy media gatekeepers. It's definitive 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.060 proof, really, of independent, sustained audience 00:01:44.060 --> 00:01:46.510 engagement, this kind of scale. Well, that's 00:01:46.510 --> 00:01:48.530 why he received two YouTube creator awards. Right. 00:01:48.569 --> 00:01:50.909 The silver and gold play buttons. Exactly. The 00:01:50.909 --> 00:01:53.829 first in 2016 for crossing 100 ,000 subscribers. 00:01:53.909 --> 00:01:56.930 And then the second, that gold one in 2022 for 00:01:56.930 --> 00:01:58.810 surpassing the million mark. And he didn't just 00:01:58.810 --> 00:02:01.349 stop there, did he? He clearly understood the 00:02:01.349 --> 00:02:03.909 need for diversification, especially as, you 00:02:03.909 --> 00:02:06.209 know, platforms change their algorithms and rules 00:02:06.209 --> 00:02:09.139 all the time. Oh, definitely. His current. platform 00:02:09.139 --> 00:02:11.860 strategy is really multi -channel. You see him 00:02:11.860 --> 00:02:14.500 utilizing Rockfin and Rumble for streaming. Alongside 00:02:14.500 --> 00:02:16.620 massive presences on Twitter, where the sources 00:02:16.620 --> 00:02:20.879 say he has over 700 ,000 followers. 701 .6k, 00:02:20.939 --> 00:02:23.780 according to the source. And TikTok too, boasting 00:02:23.780 --> 00:02:25.780 hundreds of thousands of likes there as well. 00:02:25.900 --> 00:02:28.539 That reach ensures his voice is accessible across, 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.120 well, pretty much the entire digital ecosystem. 00:02:31.500 --> 00:02:33.560 And that multi -platform resilience, I think 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:35.319 that's key to understanding his independence. 00:02:35.620 --> 00:02:37.759 It absolutely is. Okay, so let's unpack this 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:39.620 journey. Let's go back to the beginning, Chicago. 00:02:39.780 --> 00:02:44.520 Right. Because to understand the style and the 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:46.520 politics later on, you really have to appreciate 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:49.939 the foundation. Doerr was born July 26, 1965. 00:02:50.219 --> 00:02:52.879 Okay. And raised on the southwest side of Chicago, 00:02:53.020 --> 00:02:56.759 Illinois, specifically in the distinctly blue 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:58.879 -collar neighborhood of Vidim Park. Blue -collar, 00:02:58.900 --> 00:03:01.599 okay. Yeah, grew up in a Catholic family, Polish 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:05.199 and Irish descent. This working -class Midwest 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:10.599 background. It's not just like biographical trivia. 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:13.080 It feels like the lens through which his political 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:16.360 critique is consistently filtered. How so? Well, 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:18.560 you see that focus on the concerns of the average 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.759 worker, that feeling of economic displacement. 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:23.680 It seems rooted in that upbringing. That makes 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.039 sense. And it also created this immediate kind 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:28.599 of high pressure performance environment right 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:30.240 at home. How many people can say they were the 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:32.740 youngest of seven boys? Right. He grew up in 00:03:32.740 --> 00:03:35.479 a household with 11 siblings total. Eleven. Yeah. 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:38.219 And the sources note this immediately accustomed 00:03:38.219 --> 00:03:41.099 him to playing to a large and probably often 00:03:41.099 --> 00:03:43.939 critical audience from day one. It sounds less 00:03:43.939 --> 00:03:46.719 like a typical childhood and more like a comedy 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.039 boot camp, doesn't it? Totally. There's an anecdote 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:51.159 in the sources that he actually utilized comedy 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.819 as a coping mechanism, specifically to avoid 00:03:53.819 --> 00:03:56.400 being beaten up by his older brothers. Wow. Yeah, 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:58.620 that kind of high stakes instant feedback loop 00:03:58.620 --> 00:04:00.860 where, you know, timing and delivery literally 00:04:00.860 --> 00:04:03.979 determines survival. It gives you an incredibly 00:04:03.979 --> 00:04:07.979 sharp and robust comedic talent. You can see 00:04:07.979 --> 00:04:10.780 how that translates well to the aggressive, pointed 00:04:10.780 --> 00:04:13.960 political commentary. later in his career. But 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.379 the path to this stage wasn't exactly linear, 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.879 though, was it? After attending Catholic schools 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:21.199 for 12 years, he spent three years at Illinois 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:24.220 State University, but then dropped out. And then 00:04:24.220 --> 00:04:26.199 took that blue collar detour you mentioned earlier, 00:04:26.300 --> 00:04:28.600 working as a forklift driver. Right. Forklift 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.000 driver job. Yeah. That working class experience 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:33.920 before returning to finish his education, it 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:37.360 adds a certain authenticity, maybe, to his later 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:40.279 political messaging. Seems plausible. He eventually 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:42.529 circled back. graduated from Columbia College, 00:04:42.670 --> 00:04:46.490 Chicago, but not with a theater degree, interestingly. 00:04:46.730 --> 00:04:48.509 No, with a degree in marketing communications. 00:04:48.730 --> 00:04:51.149 That marketing communications background is actually 00:04:51.149 --> 00:04:53.329 quite insightful, isn't it, given his later career 00:04:53.329 --> 00:04:55.730 pivot? It really is. It suggests he was equipped 00:04:55.730 --> 00:04:57.769 pretty early on with the skills to understand, 00:04:57.829 --> 00:05:01.610 like, audience targeting and message dissemination. 00:05:01.730 --> 00:05:04.089 Skills which are absolutely critical for building 00:05:04.089 --> 00:05:06.610 an independent media platform in the 21st century. 00:05:06.949 --> 00:05:10.189 Exactly. But before digital media was even really 00:05:10.189 --> 00:05:13.009 a thing, he started the traditional route. He 00:05:13.009 --> 00:05:15.829 hit the stand -up stage in Chicago back in 1989. 00:05:15.870 --> 00:05:19.069 So that decade of foundational work, really honing 00:05:19.069 --> 00:05:21.389 the craft. Gave him the chops, yeah. When he 00:05:21.389 --> 00:05:23.949 moved out to Los Angeles in 1995 to chase bigger 00:05:23.949 --> 00:05:27.209 opportunities, he was already blending influences. 00:05:27.569 --> 00:05:30.430 Okay, who what? Well... The sources say while 00:05:30.430 --> 00:05:32.870 he respected observational comics, people like 00:05:32.870 --> 00:05:36.670 Jerry Seinfeld, his true comedic heroes included 00:05:36.670 --> 00:05:39.569 the giants of political and anti -establishment 00:05:39.569 --> 00:05:44.240 satire, George Carlin and Bill Hicks. OK, that 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:46.300 makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that dual influence, 00:05:46.420 --> 00:05:48.779 you know, the mastery of timing from observational 00:05:48.779 --> 00:05:51.500 comedy, plus a commitment to that countercultural 00:05:51.500 --> 00:05:53.339 critique. It really seems to have defined his 00:05:53.339 --> 00:05:55.259 trajectory. And he achieved those traditional 00:05:55.259 --> 00:05:57.959 markers of success pretty quickly out in L .A., 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.779 right? Appearing on high profile late night television. 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.120 ABC's Jimmy Kimmel Live, CBS's The Late Late 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.680 Show with Craig Kilbourne, NBC's Late Friday. 00:06:06.899 --> 00:06:09.100 So he wasn't just working the club circuit. He 00:06:09.100 --> 00:06:11.660 was getting recognized as a national talent. 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:14.170 Definitely. And those pre -political milestones, 00:06:14.509 --> 00:06:16.689 they establish his credibility within the comedy 00:06:16.689 --> 00:06:19.250 world. We see him lead a Comedy Central Presents 00:06:19.250 --> 00:06:23.110 half -hour special in April 2004. Which is a 00:06:23.110 --> 00:06:25.350 significant achievement, yeah. A very big deal 00:06:25.350 --> 00:06:27.750 for a stand -up. He also wrote and performed 00:06:27.750 --> 00:06:30.569 in that successful off -Broadway show, The Marijuana 00:06:30.569 --> 00:06:33.149 Lugs. Right, I remember that. And his touring 00:06:33.149 --> 00:06:36.399 life was extensive. hitting major casino venues, 00:06:36.620 --> 00:06:39.959 Vegas, Reno, even performing for U .S. troops 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:43.079 over in Afghanistan. So this period really confirms 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.439 that he had perfected the art of performance, 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:48.480 the stand -up craft. well before he became known 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:50.560 primarily as a political pundit. Absolutely. 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:53.180 That strong comedic foundation is the essential 00:06:53.180 --> 00:06:55.720 context for what happened next, around 2005. 00:06:56.019 --> 00:06:57.980 Okay, the pivot. The pivot. This wasn't like 00:06:57.980 --> 00:07:01.240 a slow creep toward political material. The sources 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:04.439 frame it as a conscious, defined shift. He made 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:06.259 the decision, right, to shift his stand -up set 00:07:06.259 --> 00:07:08.699 toward dedicated political commentary. Exactly. 00:07:08.699 --> 00:07:10.860 Moving from just a standard collection of jokes 00:07:10.860 --> 00:07:14.379 to a full 50 -minute show focused on that sticking 00:07:14.379 --> 00:07:16.579 -it -to -the -man kind of comedy as the source... 00:07:16.620 --> 00:07:18.980 described it that shift is huge for a comedian 00:07:18.980 --> 00:07:22.180 isn't it you move from the broad almost universal 00:07:22.180 --> 00:07:27.240 appeal of say observational humor right to highly 00:07:30.939 --> 00:07:33.220 Creatively, it must require a completely different 00:07:33.220 --> 00:07:35.759 kind of writing. Totally different. One based 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.839 on current events, specific institutional critique. 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.319 It's a much riskier path in some ways. But that 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:44.779 conscious choice to embrace the political subject 00:07:44.779 --> 00:07:47.199 matter fundamentally changed his career path. 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.300 And this evolution, it birthed the key project 00:07:50.300 --> 00:07:52.660 that really served as the bridge to his digital 00:07:52.660 --> 00:07:55.670 media future. The one -man show, Citizen Jimmy. 00:07:55.829 --> 00:07:58.089 Yes, launched at the UCB Theater in Hollywood. 00:07:58.370 --> 00:08:00.610 And what's fascinating here, as the sources point 00:08:00.610 --> 00:08:02.790 out, is the technical innovation he introduced. 00:08:03.129 --> 00:08:05.709 Go on. Well, Citizen Jimmy wasn't just him standing 00:08:05.709 --> 00:08:07.990 there talking politics. He innovated the form. 00:08:08.129 --> 00:08:10.569 He started incorporating video clips, politicians, 00:08:10.930 --> 00:08:13.129 journalists, various public figures directly 00:08:13.129 --> 00:08:15.350 into his stage performance. Ah, interesting, 00:08:15.490 --> 00:08:18.509 like on screens. Exactly. And at the time, he 00:08:18.509 --> 00:08:20.509 himself noted that basically no one else was 00:08:20.509 --> 00:08:22.649 doing this in the stand -up world. So using multimedia 00:08:22.649 --> 00:08:26.519 on stage? Yeah. That integration of video content, 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:28.959 it kind of turns the physical stage into this 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.519 like proto YouTube screen we were talking about 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.779 earlier. It really laid the groundwork for his 00:08:33.779 --> 00:08:36.399 eventual digital content format. And the reception 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:38.679 for Citizen Jimmy was pretty tremendous, wasn't 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.720 it? It was huge. The special aired on Comedy 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.759 Central in August 2008, garnered significant 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:48.320 recognition. It was chosen Best of 2008 by iTunes. 00:08:48.620 --> 00:08:51.019 Wow, okay. And Punchline Magazine recognized 00:08:51.019 --> 00:08:53.860 the accompanying DVD as one of the five best 00:08:53.860 --> 00:08:56.440 comedy DVDs of that year. So it really validates 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:58.580 the political comedy format he was pioneering. 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:01.320 And concurrently, he was also exploring audio 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:04.100 media too, right? Mm -hmm. With podcasting just 00:09:04.100 --> 00:09:07.299 starting to take off. Yes. In May 2008, he launched 00:09:07.299 --> 00:09:14.279 his first podcast. And what was that like? It 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:16.179 seemed like an early testing ground for that 00:09:16.179 --> 00:09:19.179 long -form, more casual discussion format featuring 00:09:19.179 --> 00:09:21.559 notable guests from the comedy world, Jim Gaffigan, 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:24.039 David Spade, Maria Bamford, people like that. 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.580 So building connections, exploring the format, 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.240 and then the show that would eventually define 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.360 his brand, The Jimmy Dore Show, that actually 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:35.220 started on traditional radio. Correct. Beginning 00:09:35.220 --> 00:09:38.539 in June 2009, it was produced as a weekly comedic 00:09:38.539 --> 00:09:42.500 news show, broadcast first on KPFK 90 .7 FM in 00:09:42.500 --> 00:09:44.740 Los Angeles. The Pacifica station. Right, and 00:09:44.740 --> 00:09:47.320 then aired nationally through the Pacifica radio 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:49.759 network. And that run lasted quite a while. It 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:53.059 did, until 2021. It provided him with a solid, 00:09:53.179 --> 00:09:55.960 consistent broadcast home and really demonstrated 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:58.240 that his political critique had strong resonance 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:00.620 within those established progressive media circles, 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.700 even before his digital platform truly exploded. 00:10:03.820 --> 00:10:06.200 But the real game changer, as we identified, 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:08.580 was his immersion into the world of online video, 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.429 which kicked off around 2012. Yeah. And this 00:10:11.429 --> 00:10:13.649 brings us to that era of really rapid digital 00:10:13.649 --> 00:10:15.730 growth and the pivotal partnership he formed 00:10:15.730 --> 00:10:18.289 with the Young Turks Network, TYT. Right. TYT. 00:10:18.549 --> 00:10:21.090 His affiliation began around 2009, the sources 00:10:21.090 --> 00:10:24.320 say, and lasted for a decade until 2019. And 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.360 he wasn't just a minor player there. He was a 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:28.700 frequent, high -profile contributor. He even 00:10:28.700 --> 00:10:31.480 hosted his own show within their network, Aggressive 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:34.679 Progressives, starting in 2017. So the TYT era 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:36.980 was crucial then? Oh, absolutely crucial. It 00:10:36.980 --> 00:10:39.620 provided him with a massive, dedicated, progressive 00:10:39.620 --> 00:10:42.279 audience base to start with. Plus, you know, 00:10:42.299 --> 00:10:44.120 production infrastructure, cross -promotion. 00:10:44.700 --> 00:10:47.120 It definitely helped establish his initial YouTube 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.539 footing. But crucially, during this period, he 00:10:49.539 --> 00:10:51.960 was also systematically building his own autonomous 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:55.039 platform on the side. Exactly. In June 2012, 00:10:55.460 --> 00:10:58.559 he launched his specific iteration of the Jimmy 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.419 Dore Show on YouTube, his own channel. And this 00:11:01.419 --> 00:11:03.480 is where that narrative of independence really 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:05.759 starts to take shape, isn't it? While he's affiliated 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.620 with this major progressive network, he quickly 00:11:08.620 --> 00:11:11.019 moves to broadcasting. famously from his own 00:11:11.019 --> 00:11:13.620 garage. Right, the garage studio. It became iconic. 00:11:14.019 --> 00:11:16.879 And by 2019, he had scaled up production massively, 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:19.559 producing videos almost daily alongside weekly 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:23.200 live streams. This huge output basically transformed 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:25.460 him from just a commentator within a network 00:11:25.460 --> 00:11:28.460 to a fully functioning, independent digital production 00:11:28.460 --> 00:11:32.019 house, all run from his home setup. That increasing 00:11:32.019 --> 00:11:35.399 scale and maybe the pursuit of total content 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:38.620 freedom, that... eventually led to the inevitable 00:11:38.620 --> 00:11:43.039 split with tyt it seems so in april 2019 he officially 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:45.600 departed the tyt network and did the sources 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.720 say why he explicitly cited a desire to focus 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:51.500 entirely on his own show and his stand -up performances 00:11:51.500 --> 00:11:55.279 leaving a major progressive media network like 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:58.019 tyt that was a massive risk yeah you're sacrificing 00:11:58.019 --> 00:12:00.340 built -in visibility infrastructure for sure 00:12:00.340 --> 00:12:03.620 but what he gained or aimed to gain was absolute 00:12:03.620 --> 00:12:06.870 editorial control No network oversight. And that 00:12:06.870 --> 00:12:08.750 complete independence, that really became his 00:12:08.750 --> 00:12:11.190 brand, didn't it? It really did. Since 2021, 00:12:11.570 --> 00:12:13.649 the Jimmy Dore show has been fully self -sufficient 00:12:13.649 --> 00:12:16.509 and his platform choices, they reflect that kind 00:12:16.509 --> 00:12:19.549 of anti -establishment ethos. How so? Well, he 00:12:19.549 --> 00:12:21.990 streams live via Rockfin and Rumble in addition 00:12:21.990 --> 00:12:24.230 to YouTube and Twitter, choosing these alternative 00:12:24.230 --> 00:12:26.370 platforms rather than maybe more traditional 00:12:26.370 --> 00:12:29.110 subscription models like Patreon or Substack. 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:32.120 It aligns perfectly with his message of resisting 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:35.220 mainstream infrastructure and perhaps avoiding 00:12:35.220 --> 00:12:38.080 potential content censorship, sometimes associated 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:41.000 with the larger established tech giants. That 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.659 logistical undertaking, going from a supported 00:12:43.659 --> 00:12:45.899 network environment to running an independent 00:12:45.899 --> 00:12:49.299 operation capable of daily production and generating 00:12:49.299 --> 00:12:52.820 eventually a billion views. It speaks volumes. 00:12:53.019 --> 00:12:55.600 It really does. Speaks volumes about his dedication 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:58.279 and the direct audience support he must have 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:00.659 cultivated to make that sustainable. And beyond 00:13:00.659 --> 00:13:04.299 his daily digital output, he also ensured his 00:13:04.299 --> 00:13:06.639 message was recorded in longer form media, too. 00:13:06.779 --> 00:13:09.500 Right. In 2014, he published his first book, 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.460 Your Country Is Just Not That Into You. Catchy 00:13:12.460 --> 00:13:15.110 title. He followed that up with another comedy 00:13:15.110 --> 00:13:18.029 special, Sentenced to Live, in 2015, and he also 00:13:18.029 --> 00:13:20.370 made an appearance way back in the 2008 documentary 00:13:20.370 --> 00:13:22.990 film Super High Me. So these diverse outputs, 00:13:23.210 --> 00:13:25.450 they reinforce that blend of comedy, critique, 00:13:25.610 --> 00:13:28.110 and commentary that really defines his public 00:13:28.110 --> 00:13:31.669 persona. Exactly. So, okay, having mapped the 00:13:31.669 --> 00:13:34.210 career arc from Chicago comic grinding it out 00:13:34.210 --> 00:13:37.509 to this independent media power, we should probably 00:13:37.509 --> 00:13:40.419 delve into the core of his show now. His political 00:13:40.419 --> 00:13:43.679 philosophy and the progressive organizing efforts 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.320 he's championed. Yes, absolutely. Because his 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:51.100 material is consistently and feastly critical 00:13:51.100 --> 00:13:53.659 of institutional power. The sources are very 00:13:53.659 --> 00:13:56.000 clear that his commentary targets the base players. 00:13:56.259 --> 00:13:58.860 Wall Street, the military -industrial complex, 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:01.340 Big Pharma. political operatives, and mainstream 00:14:01.340 --> 00:14:04.220 media. It's a pretty unified anti -establishment 00:14:04.220 --> 00:14:06.820 focus. That seems to be the backbone of his progressive 00:14:06.820 --> 00:14:09.320 critique. And this stance, it informs his specific 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.659 perspective on comedy itself, doesn't it? He 00:14:11.659 --> 00:14:13.940 seems to view comedy as this necessary counterweight 00:14:13.940 --> 00:14:15.980 to power. He does. He stated, according to the 00:14:15.980 --> 00:14:18.200 sources, that whatever a conservative is in office, 00:14:18.419 --> 00:14:20.960 it's great for comedy. He cited a boom in comedy 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:23.600 during the Reagan and George W. Bush administrations. 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.340 So his point is that opposition comedy thrives 00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:28.820 when there's a clear institutionalized target. 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.960 allows for sharper satire. That seems to be the 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.460 idea. It allows for sharp pointed satire when 00:14:34.460 --> 00:14:36.679 the lines are clearly drawn, perhaps. And his 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:39.700 alignment is firmly progressive. The Los Angeles 00:14:39.700 --> 00:14:42.960 Times characterized his program as having an 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:46.039 affection for Bernie Sanders and disdain for 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:48.539 establishment democratic politics. Yeah, he was 00:14:48.539 --> 00:14:51.059 a vocal, passionate supporter of Sanders during 00:14:51.059 --> 00:14:54.440 the 2016 primaries. That really cemented his 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.840 identity with the sort of... populist left wing 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.000 of the party or maybe even outside it. Now, this 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:02.779 is where his analysis, according to the sources, 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.539 gets perhaps more controversial and requires 00:15:05.539 --> 00:15:08.710 some careful explanation. During the 2016 general 00:15:08.710 --> 00:15:10.570 election. Right. He articulated this premise 00:15:10.570 --> 00:15:12.690 that a Hillary Clinton presidency would actually 00:15:12.690 --> 00:15:14.730 be worse for progressives than a Donald Trump 00:15:14.730 --> 00:15:16.990 presidency. OK, unpack that. What was the reasoning 00:15:16.990 --> 00:15:19.049 described? Well, the underlying political calculation 00:15:19.049 --> 00:15:21.730 described in the sources was complex. His theory 00:15:21.730 --> 00:15:23.950 essentially suggested that a Trump victory would 00:15:23.950 --> 00:15:25.809 better expose the failures of the establishment, 00:15:26.009 --> 00:15:29.529 both Republican and Democratic. By being so overtly, 00:15:29.529 --> 00:15:32.309 perhaps, problematic, it would potentially accelerate 00:15:32.309 --> 00:15:34.990 the need for a truly progressive alternative. 00:15:36.620 --> 00:15:39.539 mainstream Democrat victory, like Clinton's, 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:42.279 might just placate the progressive base enough 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:45.139 to prevent fundamental change. So it's a kind 00:15:45.139 --> 00:15:48.019 of accelerationist view that worsening conditions 00:15:48.019 --> 00:15:50.639 might speed up radical change. That's how it's 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.240 often characterized, yes. This accelerationist 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:55.379 perspective is pretty critical to understanding 00:15:55.379 --> 00:15:57.919 his strategy and his critique of the Democratic 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.720 establishment at that time. And that deep distrust 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.379 of the established two -party system, that seems 00:16:03.379 --> 00:16:06.279 to be the engine behind his longstanding... advocacy 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:09.220 for a third party. Absolutely. As far back as 00:16:09.220 --> 00:16:12.220 2017, the sources quote him articulating his 00:16:12.220 --> 00:16:15.299 frustration directly. He said, if you don't think 00:16:15.299 --> 00:16:17.179 we need a third party, you're not paying attention. 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:20.379 Pretty blunt. Very blunt. And this wasn't just 00:16:20.379 --> 00:16:22.899 talk, was it? He got involved in actual organizing 00:16:22.899 --> 00:16:25.220 efforts. He did. He served on the advisory council 00:16:25.220 --> 00:16:26.940 for the People's Party, which was a deliberate 00:16:26.940 --> 00:16:29.419 effort to try and build that third party infrastructure 00:16:29.419 --> 00:16:32.100 he felt was missing. And then in March 2021. 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:35.159 He announced he was officially joining the People's 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:38.080 Party, although interestingly, he remained a 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:40.799 registered independent in California, likely 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.360 due to specific state registration rules or tactical 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.919 reasons. But it signals a commitment beyond just 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.759 critique right towards actual structural political 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:53.700 change. Exactly. It shows a desire to move from 00:16:53.700 --> 00:16:56.320 commentary to action, trying to build an alternative. 00:16:56.990 --> 00:16:59.669 And this dedication to structural change, it 00:16:59.669 --> 00:17:02.649 led to probably the highest profile direct political 00:17:02.649 --> 00:17:05.490 action he was involved in. The Force the Vote 00:17:05.490 --> 00:17:08.769 initiative back in December 2020. Ah, yes. Force 00:17:08.769 --> 00:17:11.069 the Vote. That generated a lot of heat. Explain 00:17:11.069 --> 00:17:14.130 the plan. What was the goal? So this was a plan 00:17:14.130 --> 00:17:16.430 aimed squarely at members of the Congressional 00:17:16.430 --> 00:17:19.390 Progressive Caucus. The idea was to get them 00:17:19.390 --> 00:17:22.029 to condition their vote for Nancy Pelosi's reelection 00:17:22.029 --> 00:17:24.349 as Speaker of the House. Okay. On her bringing 00:17:24.349 --> 00:17:26.690 Medicare for All to the floor for a vote. Straight 00:17:26.690 --> 00:17:29.190 up and down vote. Now, was the expectation that 00:17:29.190 --> 00:17:30.990 Medicare for All would actually pass if it got 00:17:30.990 --> 00:17:33.650 a floor vote then? Not necessarily, no. And this 00:17:33.650 --> 00:17:35.750 is where the strategic thinking, as described, 00:17:35.970 --> 00:17:38.970 comes in. The core rationale behind Force the 00:17:38.970 --> 00:17:41.529 Vote was really about accountability and transparency. 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.039 Getting people on record. Precisely. His view 00:17:45.609 --> 00:17:47.369 And the view of the endorsers wasn't that the 00:17:47.369 --> 00:17:49.609 vote would pass immediately, but that it was 00:17:49.609 --> 00:17:52.549 absolutely essential to force elected officials 00:17:52.549 --> 00:17:55.750 on the record, make them publicly vote yes or 00:17:55.750 --> 00:17:58.490 no on a policy, single payer health care, that 00:17:58.490 --> 00:18:01.390 polls consistently show many Americans overwhelmingly 00:18:01.390 --> 00:18:04.470 support. So even if the vote failed. Even if 00:18:04.470 --> 00:18:06.650 it failed, the resulting public record would, 00:18:06.730 --> 00:18:09.109 in his analysis and the analysis of supporters, 00:18:09.329 --> 00:18:12.289 expose those officials who claim to be progressives 00:18:12.289 --> 00:18:14.150 but were actually obstructing popular reform. 00:18:14.329 --> 00:18:16.569 It was about. revealing positions. And the initiative 00:18:16.569 --> 00:18:18.930 gained significant traction, didn't it? Caused 00:18:18.930 --> 00:18:21.390 quite a debate within the left. Massive momentum 00:18:21.390 --> 00:18:23.710 and debate. It attracted high profile support 00:18:23.710 --> 00:18:26.730 from major figures. You had academic and activist 00:18:26.730 --> 00:18:29.549 Cornel West. Right. Media personalities like 00:18:29.549 --> 00:18:32.809 Kyle Kalinsky, Crystal Ball, Breonna Joy Gray, 00:18:32.990 --> 00:18:35.690 who is Sanders' former press secretary. And even 00:18:35.690 --> 00:18:38.309 beyond politics and media. Yeah. It even gained 00:18:38.309 --> 00:18:40.980 support from a professional athlete. Justin Jackson 00:18:40.980 --> 00:18:43.599 of the Los Angeles Chargers at the time. So what 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:46.119 did this incident ultimately reveal, do you think? 00:18:46.670 --> 00:18:49.650 Well, it really exposed a fundamental schism, 00:18:49.650 --> 00:18:52.269 a fault line within the progressive movement 00:18:52.269 --> 00:18:55.150 at that moment. About strategy. Exactly. About 00:18:55.150 --> 00:18:58.029 strategy. Whether to use these immediate high 00:18:58.029 --> 00:19:00.950 leverage tactics like force the vote to try and 00:19:00.950 --> 00:19:03.410 compel accountability now, even if it caused 00:19:03.410 --> 00:19:07.029 conflict versus sticking to slower, perhaps more 00:19:07.029 --> 00:19:09.789 traditional long term organizing within the existing 00:19:09.789 --> 00:19:12.509 Democratic Party structure, trying to build power 00:19:12.509 --> 00:19:15.200 internally over time. And Doar and his supporters 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.259 were firmly in the first camp. Very firmly. Their 00:19:18.259 --> 00:19:20.940 argument was essentially, if these congresspeople 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:23.500 refuse to even take a floor vote on a popular 00:19:23.500 --> 00:19:26.680 policy like Medicare for all, then their claimed 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.299 commitment to progressive change is basically 00:19:29.299 --> 00:19:32.000 hollow. It's just talk. His overall view of the 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.039 American political structure seems pretty sprilson. 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:37.200 It's synthesized in that 2021 position, where 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.180 the sources say he asserted that the U .S. is 00:19:39.180 --> 00:19:41.660 essentially an oligarchy. Yes, that's a core 00:19:41.660 --> 00:19:44.839 tenet of his later commentary. He argued that 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:47.420 the system is dominated by two corporate parties, 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:49.980 both Democrats and Republicans. And what's their 00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:52.660 function, according to him? He argued that rather 00:19:52.660 --> 00:19:54.859 than implementing substantive progressive economic 00:19:54.859 --> 00:19:57.779 policies, things like raising the minimum wage 00:19:57.779 --> 00:20:00.900 significantly, forgiving student debt, establishing 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:03.359 single -payer health care. Right, the big structural 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.460 changes. They instead use identity politics primarily 00:20:06.460 --> 00:20:11.250 as a diversionary tactic. A diversion? How? basically 00:20:11.250 --> 00:20:14.069 placate their respective bases, keep them engaged 00:20:14.069 --> 00:20:16.950 on cultural issues while avoiding tackling the 00:20:16.950 --> 00:20:19.230 fundamental economic inequality that benefits 00:20:19.230 --> 00:20:21.630 their corporate donors. That's the core of his 00:20:21.630 --> 00:20:24.150 oligarchy critique. And this systemic critique, 00:20:24.450 --> 00:20:26.829 which focuses so heavily on economic factors, 00:20:27.029 --> 00:20:29.930 that seems to be the engine driving his audience 00:20:29.930 --> 00:20:32.089 engagement. It really does. It helps explain 00:20:32.089 --> 00:20:35.390 why so many listeners who feel perhaps disenfranchised 00:20:35.390 --> 00:20:38.289 or ignored by both mainstream parties might gravitate 00:20:38.289 --> 00:20:40.759 towards his highly analytical yet still comedic 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:43.079 approach. He's speaking to a sense of betrayal, 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:46.059 maybe. And that systemic critique wasn't just 00:20:46.059 --> 00:20:49.019 confined to domestic policy either. It gained 00:20:49.019 --> 00:20:52.900 him this, frankly, extraordinary global platform, 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.200 which we saw with his high -profile appearance 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:57.799 before the U .N. Security Council in September 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:01.420 2023. Yeah, that was a highly significant moment 00:21:01.420 --> 00:21:03.819 for any independent commentator, let alone one 00:21:03.819 --> 00:21:06.220 who started in standup. He was invited to speak 00:21:06.220 --> 00:21:08.740 during a U .N. Security Council session. Initiated 00:21:08.740 --> 00:21:10.440 by whom? Initiated by the Russian Federation. 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.420 Yeah. The subject was the ongoing conflict in 00:21:13.420 --> 00:21:15.920 Ukraine and specifically the context surrounding 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.339 the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. Okay. And what did 00:21:18.339 --> 00:21:20.640 he say? What was his contribution? He used the 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:23.079 platform to present a very specific claim. He 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:25.660 referenced President Joe Biden's February 2022 00:21:25.660 --> 00:21:28.019 statement. I remember that. Where Biden warned 00:21:28.019 --> 00:21:30.309 public. that if Russia invaded Ukraine, the U 00:21:30.309 --> 00:21:33.529 .S. would effectively bring an end to the Nord 00:21:33.529 --> 00:21:36.750 Stream 2 project. Doar directly linked U .S. 00:21:36.769 --> 00:21:39.589 policy statements to the outcome of that critical 00:21:39.589 --> 00:21:41.710 energy infrastructure. And he went further than 00:21:41.710 --> 00:21:44.049 just pointing that out. Oh, yes. He advanced 00:21:44.049 --> 00:21:46.829 a detailed economic argument regarding the conflict 00:21:46.829 --> 00:21:49.910 itself. He asserted that the massive volume of 00:21:49.910 --> 00:21:52.650 military aid being directed toward Ukraine serves 00:21:52.650 --> 00:21:55.710 primarily, in his view, to prolong the conflict. 00:21:55.930 --> 00:21:58.849 And to what end? Why prolong it? Well, he argued 00:21:58.849 --> 00:22:01.470 that this prolongation fuels what he explicitly 00:22:01.470 --> 00:22:04.490 termed an economic war between the West and Russia. 00:22:04.869 --> 00:22:07.490 And his stated motivation for why this conflict 00:22:07.490 --> 00:22:09.109 would be prolonged, according to his comments 00:22:09.109 --> 00:22:11.890 at the U .N., was cynical. Which was? Quote, 00:22:11.970 --> 00:22:14.789 to fill the pockets of rapacious capitalists 00:22:14.789 --> 00:22:16.730 who pull the strings of the government of the 00:22:16.730 --> 00:22:19.130 United States and dictate its foreign policy. 00:22:19.369 --> 00:22:21.109 Wow. That's a strong statement to make at the 00:22:21.109 --> 00:22:27.049 U .N. Security Council. Extremely strong. operating 00:22:27.049 --> 00:22:29.549 outside traditional media was leveraged in this 00:22:29.549 --> 00:22:32.789 major international governmental forum. It really 00:22:32.789 --> 00:22:35.569 demonstrates the weight and perhaps the geopolitical 00:22:35.569 --> 00:22:38.069 utility his media platform now carries, whether 00:22:38.069 --> 00:22:40.130 you agree with his analysis or not. Definitely 00:22:40.130 --> 00:22:42.509 speaks to the changing media landscape. Okay. 00:22:42.940 --> 00:22:44.980 Let's briefly pivot back to his entertainment 00:22:44.980 --> 00:22:47.700 roots and his professional catalog. It shows 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:49.900 the trajectory of his comedic career quite clearly. 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:53.440 It does. His discography really traces that transition 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:56.059 from purely stand -up to political commentary. 00:22:56.380 --> 00:22:59.380 The sources list four major comedy albums or 00:22:59.380 --> 00:23:02.289 specials. Let's hear them. You have... It's not 00:23:02.289 --> 00:23:05.329 brain surgery from way back in 2000, which is 00:23:05.329 --> 00:23:07.690 described as classic observational stand -up. 00:23:07.789 --> 00:23:11.069 Pre -pivot. Pre -pivot. Then, really. And Citizen 00:23:11.069 --> 00:23:13.690 Jimmy, both released in 2008. That marks the 00:23:13.690 --> 00:23:15.869 definitive political pivot we discussed. Right. 00:23:15.910 --> 00:23:18.130 Citizen Jimmy with the video clip. Exactly. And 00:23:18.130 --> 00:23:19.990 finally, Sentenced to Live, which came out in 00:23:19.990 --> 00:23:22.589 2015. Okay. And just wrapping up with a few personal 00:23:22.589 --> 00:23:24.990 details from the sources. He married his longtime 00:23:24.990 --> 00:23:28.450 co -host, Sifain Zamorano, back in 2012. Yes, 00:23:28.450 --> 00:23:30.829 who co -hosted comedy and everything else with 00:23:30.829 --> 00:23:33.059 him. They lived in Pasadena, California for a 00:23:33.059 --> 00:23:36.299 long time, from 1997, before purchasing a home 00:23:36.299 --> 00:23:38.900 in the Studio City area of Los Angeles in 2020. 00:23:39.259 --> 00:23:41.640 And the sources also mentioned his views on religion. 00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:44.240 Yeah, just briefly, that while he's critical 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:46.579 of organized religion, which probably isn't surprising 00:23:46.579 --> 00:23:49.240 given his anti -establishment stance, he does 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:53.240 identify personally as spiritual. Okay, so looking 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:55.410 at the whole picture. The professional journey 00:23:55.410 --> 00:23:58.269 culminates in this significant reputation he's 00:23:58.269 --> 00:24:00.769 earned, both among his peers and commentators. 00:24:01.529 --> 00:24:04.549 Reginald D. Hunter, a fellow comedian, praised 00:24:04.549 --> 00:24:07.630 the Jimmy Dore show. What did he say? He praised 00:24:07.630 --> 00:24:10.789 its blend of familiar, soothing American impishness 00:24:10.789 --> 00:24:14.210 with caustically smart observations of the American 00:24:14.210 --> 00:24:17.000 political left. That's quite a description. It 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.960 is. And the sources consistently highlight the 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:23.039 efficacy, the effectiveness of his style, even 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:24.339 if they don't always agree with the substance. 00:24:25.150 --> 00:24:27.809 The Chicago Tribune really encapsulated the entire 00:24:27.809 --> 00:24:29.869 arc, didn't they, with the observation that Dora 00:24:29.869 --> 00:24:33.109 possesses a potent political voice. Potent is 00:24:33.109 --> 00:24:34.849 a good word for it. And I think the ultimate 00:24:34.849 --> 00:24:37.170 value proposition of his show, what makes it 00:24:37.170 --> 00:24:39.089 work for his audience, is that he successfully 00:24:39.089 --> 00:24:41.650 leveraged that robust foundation of tested stand 00:24:41.650 --> 00:24:43.869 -up comedy, you know, with all its necessary 00:24:43.869 --> 00:24:46.769 timing, punch, clarity. The craft. And applied 00:24:46.769 --> 00:24:49.809 it directly to the often heavy machinery of political 00:24:49.809 --> 00:24:53.819 critique. This approach, it seems, allows him 00:24:53.819 --> 00:24:56.900 to reach audiences who might be ignored or left 00:24:56.900 --> 00:24:59.460 cold by more traditional, maybe more academic 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:01.880 or lecture -style political analysis. Absolutely. 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:04.839 This journey from that blue -collar comic in 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.980 Chicago, using humor maybe just to survive his 00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:11.380 brothers, to this self -sufficient digital content 00:25:11.380 --> 00:25:14.740 powerhouse with over a billion views, it's really 00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:17.420 a perfect case study in modern media success 00:25:17.420 --> 00:25:21.559 built outside the traditional lines. the security, 00:25:21.740 --> 00:25:24.880 arguably, of legacy media networks like Pacifica 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:27.240 Radio and TYT. Big names in progressive media. 00:25:27.380 --> 00:25:30.019 For total independence on platforms like Roxanne 00:25:30.019 --> 00:25:32.519 and Rumble, YouTube, Twitter, building his own 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:34.880 thing. Completely his own thing. And that independence, 00:25:34.900 --> 00:25:37.019 that move away from established networks, that's 00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:38.799 where the real provocation lies for us to think 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:40.380 about, isn't it? How so? Well, if an independent 00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:43.259 voice. funded directly or indirectly by his audience, 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.680 can command a platform with a billion views. 00:25:45.940 --> 00:25:49.039 How does that fundamentally challenge the existing 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.920 power balance between, say, traditional political 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:55.740 institutions or legacy media and these new independent 00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:58.319 commentators? That's a huge question. Does that 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.799 scale of media independence empower a totally 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.960 new kind of activism and critique, one that. 00:26:05.309 --> 00:26:07.869 crucially doesn't need to ask permission or adhere 00:26:07.869 --> 00:26:10.869 to the political standards or the acceptable 00:26:10.869 --> 00:26:13.329 discourse defined by traditional institutions. 00:26:13.710 --> 00:26:16.009 Is this the new frontier of political influence, 00:26:16.289 --> 00:26:19.170 maybe, where reach equals power in a way it never 00:26:19.170 --> 00:26:21.690 did before? That ability to completely bypass 00:26:21.690 --> 00:26:24.349 the traditional media infrastructure, the gatekeepers, 00:26:24.410 --> 00:26:27.029 and build a massive direct channel straight to 00:26:27.029 --> 00:26:29.809 the audience. It fundamentally changes how political 00:26:29.809 --> 00:26:31.609 arguments are made and maybe more importantly, 00:26:31.750 --> 00:26:33.809 who is allowed to make them on a large scale. 00:26:33.990 --> 00:26:36.500 It forces. everyone, I think, to reconsider what 00:26:36.500 --> 00:26:38.819 truly constitutes a major media voice in the 00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:41.240 21st century. It's not just about network affiliation 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.660 anymore. Not at all. It's about audience, engagement, 00:26:43.740 --> 00:26:45.960 and impact, wherever that platform might be. 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.039 Fascinating food for thought indeed. Well, that's 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:50.960 our deep dive into the evolution of Jimmy Dore 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.180 for today. Always a pleasure unpacking these 00:26:53.180 --> 00:26:56.019 complex trajectories and the changing media world. 00:26:56.140 --> 00:26:58.619 Always is. We'll catch you on the next deep dive.