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Welcome back to the Deep Dive. Our goal here

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is always to dig into these really complex careers,

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these legacies, sift through, you know, mountains

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of information and pull out what you actually

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need to know. And today we are tackling one of

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the most, I think it's fair to say, polarizing

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and prolific figures in modern cinema, Woody

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Allen. Yeah, it's a huge undertaking. We're talking

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about, what, an eight decade career? Yeah. 50

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feature films, plays, albums. I mean, it's just.

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constant creation. Right. But it's also defined

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by these huge artistic shifts and what you can't

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ignore the massive public focus on his private

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life. So our aim here is to be really strict,

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just trace the path of Alan Stewart Konigsberg

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based purely on the facts, the timeline, the

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official record we've got in front of us. Exactly.

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And what strikes you right away looking at the

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early stuff is how that image we all know, the

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insecure, intellectual, fretful nebbish, that

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was something he had to kind of build. Consciously?

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Almost from day one? Yeah. So let's dig into

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that. Where did the Woody Allen persona actually

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come from? Okay, so we start back in the Bronx.

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He was born Alan Stewart Konigsberg, November

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30th, 1935. Although there's a little note in

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the sources, sometimes he'd say December 1st.

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Apparently his parents might have fudged it a

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bit because he was born close to midnight. Huh,

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okay. He grew up mostly in Brooklyn though, Midwood

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neighborhood, with his younger sister, Lettie

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Aronson. And she becomes important later, produces

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a lot of his films. Right. Right. And his parents,

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Nettie and Martin, bookkeeper and jewelry engraver

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slash waiter. Grandparents were Jewish immigrants,

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Austria, Lithuania. So a pretty typical, you

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know, New York immigrant background in some ways.

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Absolutely. But what's interesting, going back

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to that intellectual persona, it really wasn't

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built on like. academic achievement in the usual

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sense. No, not at all. He dropped out of NYU

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-failed motion picture production, ironically

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enough. Right. And City College, too. He always

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described himself as self -taught, which really

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kind of sets the tone for his whole career, right?

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Always a bit of an outsider doing his own thing.

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Yeah, priding himself on it, almost. And that

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name change, Alan Stewart Konigsberg to Woody

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Allen, that happened back in high school. It

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was all about music. Ah, the jazz connection

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already. Yeah, he named himself after Woody Herman,

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the clarinetist. Which, you know, foreshadows

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just how central music, especially that New Orleans

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jazz sound, would be for him. But before the

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performing, before the directing, it was just

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work. Hard graft. Writing jokes. Relentless work.

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Started at 15, selling gags to agents, newspaper

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columnists. By 1955, he's 19, and he gets into

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the NBC Writers Development Program, making like

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25 bucks a week writing for Herb Schreiner. $25.

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But that didn't last long, did it? His stuff

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was just too good. Apparently so. Abe Burroughs,

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big -name writer -director, saw his early stuff

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and just called it dazzling. And he lands right

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in the middle of this incredible scene, the golden

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age of TV comedy, writing for Ed Sullivan, The

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Tonight Show. And look who he's rubbing shoulders

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with. Mel Brooks, Carl Reiner, Larry Gelbart,

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Neil Simon. I mean, legends. It's an incredible

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cohort. Mel Brooks said even back then, as a

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teenager, Alan was so wise, so smart. He had

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this tricky little mind. That must have been

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some education in comedy. No kidding. And the

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money followed the talent. By the time he's writing

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for Sid Caesar, he's pulling in $1 ,500 a week.

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And the sheer volume is just staggering. Sources

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estimate that in one year, 1962, he wrote something

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like 20 ,000 jokes for other comics. 20 ,000?

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How is that even possible? Big Cabot apparently

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said he'd just see Alan at the typewriter from

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morning till night, just pounding them out, maybe

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a quick walk for coffee, then back at it. That

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kind of discipline. That's where the 50 films

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come from later, you know. Totally. But it wasn't

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just gag writing, was it? He was already aiming

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higher, writing those humor pieces for places

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like The New Yorker. Right. Trying to be like

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S .J. Perelman or George S. Kaufman. So you have

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this kind of dual track, the high volume jokes

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for TV and then this more polished literary satire

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for print. That's the foundation. And that foundation

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lets him make the leap to stand up in the early

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60s. Exactly. Down in Greenwich Village, the

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bitter end. Cafe Ogogo. Legendary spots. Sharing

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stages with Lenny Bruce, Joan Rivers, Mort Sahl.

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Mort Sahl, who Alan said was his favorite. Yeah.

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But Alan's style was completely different from

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those guys. He wasn't doing set -up punchline

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jokes. He was doing monologues. Creed. Creed

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-ing this character. The character. The insecure,

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intellectual, fretful nebbish. And what's really

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key is, at first it wasn't improv. It was all

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carefully scripted based on his life, but delivered

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with this totally deadpan, serious face. Someone

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called it, like, the best schtick because it

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had no schtick. Yeah. The utter absence of showbiz

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veneer and schtick was the best schtick any comedian

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had ever devised. That tension between the smart

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jokes and the nervous delivery. That was the

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hook. And it worked. Big time. 17 times hosting

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The Tonight Show for Carson. That's mainstream

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success. Huge. Plus three hit comedy albums between

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64 and 68. Gets a Life magazine cover in 69.

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So by then the persona is set. The audience is

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there. Yeah. The next logical step. Film. Okay.

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So the move into film wasn't initially smooth

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sailing, right? His first script that got made.

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What's new, Pussycat? 1965. Huge hit commercially.

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But Alan hated it. felt they butchered his script.

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And that experience basically set the rule for

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the rest of his career. Pretty much. From then

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on, if he wrote it, he directed it. The only

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exception was Play It Again, Sam in 72, which

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is based on his play anyway. His actual first

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directing gig was pretty weird though, wasn't

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it? What's up, Tiger Lily? Yeah, 1966. Took an

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existing Japanese spy movie and just dubbed completely

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new funny dialogue over it. Yeah. Very off the

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wall. But then came the films where he was front

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and center, basically translating that stand

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-up persona to the screen. Right, the early slapstick

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stuff. Take the Money and Run in 69, that mockumentary

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style. And Bananas in 71, the political satire.

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Still very much gag -driven. But you start seeing

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a shift, more ambition maybe, with Love and Death.

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Definitely. 1975. It's this big, sprawling satire

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of Russian literature set during the Napoleonic

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Wars. Vincent Camby, the critic, called it his

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grandest work so far. It wasn't just jokes anymore.

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He was juggling bigger themes. OK, so that sets

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the stage. But the moment everything changes.

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The moment he goes from funny director to, like,

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major auteur has to be Annie Hall. Oh, 1977.

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Yeah. Absolutely pivotal. It felt so personal,

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so different. And it just cleaned up at the Oscars.

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Best picture, director, screenplay, best actress

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for Diane Keaton. It wasn't just the awards,

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though. It was how it was made. Totally. Stylistically,

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it was a breakthrough. breaking the fourth wall,

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talking to the audience, split screens, animation.

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The subtitle showing what they were really thinking.

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Yeah. All that stuff felt incredibly fresh. It

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blended a relatable story with these really modernist

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experimental techniques. That's what put him

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right in the conversation with that new Hollywood

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group, filmmakers getting more control, influenced

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by European cinema. And speaking of European

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influence, the very next year, he does interiors.

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Which must have just thrown audiences for a loop.

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Because they had no jokes. Right. It was pure

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Ingmar Bergman territory. Totally Bergman -esque.

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The look, the themes, family dysfunction, artistic

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angst, existential dread, lots of long takes,

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heavy dialogue. It was a huge risk showing he

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wouldn't just stick to comedy. And that confidence

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leads into this amazing run through the late

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70s and 80s. His classic New York period. Absolutely.

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You get Manhattan in 79, gorgeous black and white,

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that iconic Gershwin score. Then later films

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like Hannah and Her Sisters in 86. Which felt

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so intricate, weaving those storylines together

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over years. Yeah, brilliant structure. And Crimes

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and Misdemeanors in 89, which is maybe his darkest,

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most philosophical film. A lot of critics think

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that's his peak in terms of maturity. But he

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wasn't just doing those dramas. He kept experimenting.

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Like Stardust Memories. 1980. Very surreal, very

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self -reflexive about being a famous director.

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It's basically his version of Fellini's Eight

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and a Half. And Zellig in 83. That mockumentary

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about the human chameleon was technically amazing.

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Flawless execution, using old newsreels, integrating

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himself. And then there's the Purple Rose of

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Cairo in 85. Ah, the one where the movie character

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walks off the screen. Yeah. Such a beautiful

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film about escapism and the power of movies.

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And it's interesting, Allen himself puts that

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one, along with Stardust Memories and later Match

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Point, as his personal top three. Really? Even

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though it wasn't a huge box office hit like Annie

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Hall? Yeah, seems like the ones that explore

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those themes about art and reality really resonate

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with him personally. So into the 90s, the pace

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just doesn't let up. Still pretty much a film

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a year. Relentless. And he keeps switching it

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up. You get Shadows in Fog in 91, that black

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and white homage to German expressionism. Husbands

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and Wives in 92, which felt incredibly raw and

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almost documentary -like. Shot right around the

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time his relationship with Pharaoh was ending,

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too. Very tense. Yeah. Then lighter stuff like

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Bullets Over Broadway in 94, a great showbiz

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comedy. He even did a full -on musical, Everyone

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Says I Love You, in 96. Singing and dancing,

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the whole thing. Right. and Mighty Aphrodite

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in 95, bringing in elements of Greek chorus and

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tragedy, always mixing things up. Now, you can't

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talk about this era without mentioning the key

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collaborators, Diane Keaton, obviously. Absolutely.

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Started on stage together in 69 with, play it

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again, Sam, eight films together. Alan called

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her a natural, a great, great inspiration, said

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Annie Hall wouldn't have been the same without

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her. And then the other huge figure, Mia Farrow.

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Yeah, their relationship, personal and professional,

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defined that whole period from 1980 to 1992,

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13 films together. Radio Days, a Midsummer Night's

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Sex Comedy, Hannah and Her Sisters. She was central

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to his work throughout the 80s. But then, around

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the turn of the century, things started to wobble

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a bit, critically and commercially. Yeah, the

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sources definitely point to a downturn. Films

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like Hollywood Ending or Melinda. Melinda just

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didn't connect in the same way. Box office wasn't

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great. Reviews were more mixed. Some people felt

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the formula was getting maybe a little tired.

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And that dip, that perceived slump actually forces

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his hand and leads to the next major chapter.

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Exactly. It pushed him out of his New York comfort

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zone and forced him to look elsewhere. So the

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perceived decline in the early 2000s really prompts

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a change in how he makes movies. Yeah. He basically

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said the American studios were only interested

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in making $100 million blockbusters. And that

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just wasn't his kind of film. So he had to look

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overseas for money. Which leads to the London

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shift. Right. Starts with Match Point in 2005.

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And this was a real gamble. Shot in London. Totally

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different vibe. It's this dark, twisty thriller

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about class and morality. Very Hitchcockian.

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Nothing like the neurotic comedies people expected.

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Not at all. And it completely paid off. It was

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his biggest hit in almost 20 years, made over

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$60 million internationally. And crucially, Allen

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himself called it his best film ever. Wow. So

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that freedom, maybe being away from New York,

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it really clicked for him. Seemed to rejuvenate

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him. And it opened the door to this whole European

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phase. Basically... Using local funding, often

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tied to tourism, to shoot in these amazing cities.

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Like Vicky Cristina Barcelona. Yeah, shot in

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Spain in 2008. Another big hit. Won the Golden

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Globe for Best Musical or Comedy. Just beautiful

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scenery. Great cast. It worked. But the absolute

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peak of this European run has to be Midnight

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in Paris. Oh, 2011. Huge. He talked about wanting

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to capture Paris emotionally, not just geographically.

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And audiences loved it. Made over $150 million

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worldwide his biggest gross ever. And won him

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another Oscar for screenplay, his third one.

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Right. So this period really proved he could

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still deliver critically and commercially, just

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in a different context. And he didn't abandon

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American stories either. Blue Jasmine came soon

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after. 2013. Set in San Francisco and New York.

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Critics hailed it as a major return to form,

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maybe his most substantial film in years. And

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Cate Blanchett won the Oscar for Best Actress

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for it. So he's back on top, in a way, which

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leads him into the streaming world. Yeah, Amazon

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Studios came calling around 2015 big deal for

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films in a TV series. But the sources say Allen

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was incredibly nervous about it. Really? About

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doing TV? Yeah. He apparently called the whole

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streaming series idea a catastrophic mistake.

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Before he even started, predicted it would be

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a cosmic embarrassment. That series became Crisis

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in six scenes in 2016. Okay. And that relationship

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with Amazon didn't exactly end smoothly? No.

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Things got very tense later. Amazon decided not

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to release his next film, A Rainy Day in New

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York, in 2019. They specifically cited the resurfacing

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of that 25 -year -old allegation we'll get into

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later. Right. And Allen sued them? Yeah. For

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$68 million, breach of contract. Said they were

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damaging his reputation unfairly. It was eventually

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settled. or dismissed, the details aren't totally

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clear. But the film did eventually get released

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elsewhere. Despite all that turbulence, he just

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keeps working. It's kind of amazing. 2023, he

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releases film number 50, Coup de Chance, his

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first movie entirely in French. And the reviews

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were pretty good for that one, weren't they?

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Yeah, quite positive. Some critics called it

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his best since Blue Jasmine, even Match Point.

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So even when he hinted at maybe retiring in 2022.

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His publicist quickly walked that back, said,

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nope, no plans to retire. But you do see the

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struggle now. The sources talk about challenges

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finding funding, especially in the U .S. Plans

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for a film in Italy fell through. Now he's apparently

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planning his next one, untitled for 2025, to

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be shot in Barcelona. So the drive is still there,

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that one film a year habit, but the logistics

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are getting tougher. Seems that way. It's a constant

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search for financing now. It's easy to just focus

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on the 50 films, but that's not the whole picture,

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is it? His work in theater, for instance, started

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really early and was pretty successful. Oh, yeah.

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Right alongside the stand -up and early film

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work. His first Broadway play, Don't Drink the

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Water, back in 66, ran for almost 600 performances.

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That's a solid hit. And then play it again, Sam,

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in 69, with him and Diane Keaton starring. That

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also did really well. Over 450 performances.

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Got Keaton a Tony nomination. So the stage was

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definitely a place where he honed that voice,

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those characters, before they fully translated

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to film. He kept writing for the stage later

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too, right? More serious stuff sometimes. Yeah,

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things like The Floating Lightbulb in 1981. Didn't

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run as long, but still got a couple of Tony nominations.

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And then later he did collections of one -act

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plays like Central Park West, or that evening

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called Writer's Block Off -Broadway in 2003,

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which had Old Saybrook and Riverside Drive. That

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sold out instantly. And he even directed plays

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he didn't write. And opera. Yeah, dipped his

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toe into directing opera in 2008. Puccini's Gianni

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Scicchi for the L .A. Opera. He joked about having

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no idea what he was doing, that typical self

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-deprecation. It just shows the breadth, though.

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He wasn't just a filmmaker. Not at all. And then

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there's the stage adaptation of his own movie,

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Bullets Over Broadway. That got him a Tony nomination

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for Best Book of a Musical in 2014. Okay, let's

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talk about the music, the jazz, the whole reason

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for the name Woody. This is clearly not just

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a side hobby. It's deep. He's a passionate clarinet

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player, focuses specifically on that early New

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Orleans style, honoring guys like Louis Armstrong,

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Sidney Burchette. And he actually performs regularly.

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For decades. Every Monday night, pretty much

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without fail, he'd be playing with his New Orleans

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jazz band at the Carlisle Hotel in Manhattan.

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Kind of the ultimate Woody Allen thing, right?

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This world -famous filmmaker having this regular,

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low -key, weekly gig playing very traditional

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jazz. That commitment is amazing. And wasn't

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there a documentary about his band? Yeah, Wild

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Man Blues from 1997. It followed them on a European

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tour in 96. Reviews were mixed on his technical

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skill, maybe, but people noted his obvious love

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and respect for the music. It really felt authentic.

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And you hear that love in his film soundtracks

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all the time. That jazz score is almost another

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character in his New York films. Absolutely.

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It's woven into the fabric of his work. And one

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more area is advocacy, particularly around film

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itself. Right. He was actually a co -founder

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of the Film Foundation back in 1990 with Scorsese,

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Spielberg, Coppola. dedicated to preserving and

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restoring old movies. That's significant. And

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he spoke out publicly, too. He did. Fantasy testified

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before Congress in 1987, alongside Ginger Rogers,

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fighting against the colorization of black and

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white films without the director's consent. Wow.

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What did he say? Called it mutilation of art

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for a few extra dollars. Really passionate defense

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of artistic integrity. Which makes sense, coming

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from someone who chose to shoot masterpieces

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like Manhattan in black and white. Okay, so we've

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covered... The output, the shifts, the other

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creative work. Let's talk about the recognition.

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The awards are just staggering. They really are.

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Especially for writing. He holds the all -time

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record for Academy Award nominations for Best

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Original Screenplay. 16 nominations. 16! That's

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insane consistency. And he won three of those.

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Three wins, yeah. For Annie Hall, Hannah and

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Her Sisters. and Midnight in Paris. That record

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alone tells you something about his stature as

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a writer. Cotton Tarantino called him one of

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the greatest screenwriters of all time. And a

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lot of people would agree, beyond the screenplay

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nods, he's got four Oscars total, ten BAFTAs,

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two Golden Globes, even a Grammy. Plus all the

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Lifetime Achievement stuff. Alright, the Honorary

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Golden Lion in Venice, the BAFTA Fellowship,

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Honorary Palme d 'Or at Cannes, the Golden Globe

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Cecil B. DeMille Award, and Annie Hall in Manhattan

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are in the National Film Registry. culturally

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significant. It's kind of funny, though, for

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someone with so many awards, he famously hates

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award shows. Hates them. Never shows up. The

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only time he ever went to the Oscars was in 2002.

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Not even to pick up an award, right? No, it was

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right after 9 -11. He came out to introduce a

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tribute montage to New York City in film. Got

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this huge, really emotional standing ovation.

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But that was it. One appearance. So who influenced

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him? We mentioned Bergman, obviously. Bergman's

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huge for him, especially for the serious dramas.

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Ernst Lubitsch for sophisticated comedy, but

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also comedians. He always cited Bob Hope and

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Groucho Marx. That mix again, eyebrow and lowbrow.

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And his own influence is just undeniable, right?

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Especially on comedy and independent film. Massive.

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You look at modern standups like Louis C .K.,

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Larry David, Chris Rock, John Mulaney. They all

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owe something to his persona or style. And filmmakers,

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Tarantino, Wes Anderson, Greta Gerwig, Noah Baumbach,

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even Martin Scorsese. Scorsese? Their style seems

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so different. Scorsese actually said something

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interesting about that. He said Alan's version

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of New York felt like another planet to him.

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Totally different from his own experience, but

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he loved it. Alan basically created a specific

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cinematic New York that everyone else now reacts

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to or plays off of. Okay, and what about his

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own favorites? We mentioned the three he considers

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his best. Stardust Memories. The Purple Rose

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of Cairo, and Match Point. Interesting choices,

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not necessarily the biggest hits. And his favorite

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films by other people, that sight and sound poll

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list. Yeah, heavily European arthouse. Fellini's

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Eight and a Half, Bergman's Seventh Seal, Truffaut's

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400 Blows, Bicycle Thieves. Tells you where his

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artistic heart lies. Did he single out any American

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films? He raved about Kazan's A Streetcar Named

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Desire in his autobiography, called it total

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artistic perfection. Script, acting, direction.

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Just perfect in his eyes. All right. Now we have

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to turn to the part of the story that has become

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inseparable from the art, the part that dominates

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so much of the conversation around him today.

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And just to reiterate, our job here is just to

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lay out the timeline, the relationships, the

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official findings as reported in our sources

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with complete impartiality. Exactly. It's crucial

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to stick to the documented record here. Looking

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at his early life, there were two brief marriages

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before Mia Farrow. First to Harleen Rosen from

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56 to 59. Interestingly, she actually sued him

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later over a joke he told about their divorce

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in his act. Wow, okay. Then he married Louise

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Lasser. Yes, from 1966 to 1970. She was an actress,

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appeared in four of his early films. Before the

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Farrow relationship started, there were other

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relationships mentioned in the sources that drew

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attention later, particularly around age differences.

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Yes. There was a relationship with Stacey Nelken,

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reportedly starting when she was 17. And another

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woman, Bobbi Kristina Englehart, came forward

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saying she had an eight -year affair with him

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starting in 1976, also when she was 17. Englehart

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suggested that the character Tracy, the 17 -year

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-old girlfriend in Manhattan, might have been

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based on her or others from that time. Okay.

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Then comes the relationship with Mia Farrow starting

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in 1980, which was, by all accounts, quite unconventional.

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Very. Thirteen films together over 12 years,

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but they famously lived in separate apartments

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across Central Park. During that time, Farrow

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adopted Dylan, then Moses. Allen took on a fatherly

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role and later legally adopted both Dylan and

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Moses in December 1991. And they had one biological

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child together. Ronan Farrow, born in 1987. Now,

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a key point noted in the sources is Allen's claim

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that his intimate relationship with Mia Farrow

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ended completely after Ronan was born. Okay.

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Which brings us to Sunye Previn. Right. Sunye

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was adopted by Mia Farrow and her previous husband,

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Andre Previn, back in 1977. Her birth year is

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presumed to be 1970. Allen and Sunye started

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being seen together publicly. like at Knicks

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games around 1990. The romantic relationship

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began around 1991. At which point Soon -Yi was

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21. Correct. The relationship became public knowledge

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in a really explosive way in January 1992, when

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Mia Farrow found nude photos of Soon -Yi that

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Allen had taken. Allen was 56 at the time. And

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Allen's response to that becoming public. He

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issued a statement saying, quote, I am not Soon

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-Yi's father or stepfather. I was not a father

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to her adopted kids in any sense of the word.

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Which, as the sources point out, seemed to contradict

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his legal adoption of Dylan and Moses just months

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earlier. Allen and Soon -Yi later married in

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Venice in 1997 and have adopted two children

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together. This rupture, this public falling out,

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leads directly into the most serious and lasting

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controversy. The sexual abuse allegation. In

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August 1992, during the custody battle, Dylan

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Farrow alleged that Allen had sexually touched

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her in the attic of Farrow's Connecticut home.

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Allen denied it immediately and has denied it

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ever since. OK, this is where it's absolutely

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critical to detail the official findings from

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that time based on the investigations that followed.

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What did they conclude? There were four main

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official findings reported in the sources spanning

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1993. First, the child sexual abuse clinic at

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Yale New Haven Hospital conducted a six month

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investigation. Their conclusion. released March

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1993, was that Dylan had not been sexually abused.

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Okay, that's the Yale Clinic finding. What else?

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Second, in June 1993, Judge Elliott Wilk ruled

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on the custody case. He denied Allen custody.

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However, the judge explicitly stated that while

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he found Allen's behavior towards Dylan grossly

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inappropriate, he did not find that sexual abuse

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occurred. So, inappropriate conduct cited, but

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the abuse allegation itself was rejected by the

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judge. Third. Third. The state prosecutor handling

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the potential criminal case announced in September

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1993 they would not press charges. They stated

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they believe they had probable cause, but decided

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against prosecution, citing the specific reason

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of wanting to avoid the unjustifiable risk of

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exposing a child to the rigors and uncertainties

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of a questionable prosecution. So probable cause

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cited, but no charges filed due to concerns about

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the impact on Dylan. And finally, finally, the

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New York Child Welfare Agency finished its own

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separate 14 month investigation in October 1993.

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Their finding was that the allegation was unfounded.

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OK, so Yale Clinic, no abuse. Judge Wilk, no

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abuse, though inappropriate conduct. Prosecutor,

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probable cause, but no charges. Child Welfare

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Agency, unfounded. That's the official record

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from 1993. That's the summary of the findings

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presented in the sources from that period. But

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obviously the issue didn't go away. It came back

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very publicly years later. It did, particularly

00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:09.910
in 2014 when Allen received the Cecil B. DeMille

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Award. Dylan Farrow published an open letter

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in The New York Times reiterating the allegation

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in detail. Allen responded with his own piece,

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again strongly denying it, calling it false and

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part of a longstanding effort by Mia Farrow to

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punish him for the relationship with Sunni. And

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the family dynamics got even more complex when

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another one of the children spoke out. Right.

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In 2018, Moses Farrow, Allen's adopted son, published

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a blog post. He not only defended Allen, strongly

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denying the abuse allegation against him, but

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he also made his own allegations against Mia

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Farrow, claiming she had been physically abusive

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towards him and several of his siblings, particularly

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those with disabilities. Which adds another layer

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of conflicting narratives within the family itself.

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A deeply complex layer. And then most recently,

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you had the HBO documentary series in 2021, Alan

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v. Farrow. Which focused heavily on Dylan's account

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and Mia Farrow's perspective. Yes. Alan and Soon

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-Yi condemned it, calling it a hatchet job riddled

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with falsehoods. They claimed they were only

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given days to respond. The filmmakers disputed

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that, saying they gave them two weeks, which

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they felt was sufficient. So the public discourse

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remains incredibly divided. You have colleagues,

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actors, commentators lining up on both sides.

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Some believe the allegation implicitly. Others

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point to the original 1993 findings and the context

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of the breakup with Mia Farrow. It's left Hollywood

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and the public really split. There's no consensus,

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just deeply entrenched opposing views, often...

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referencing different pieces of this very complicated

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history. Hashtag tag outro. So after digging

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through all of this, I mean, the scale of the

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career is just immense from stand up and tiny

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village clubs to directing opera, winning four

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Oscars, making 50 films. Yeah, the artistic output

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is undeniable. Record for screenplay nominations,

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that decades long jazz gig. The sheer discipline

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and breadth are remarkable. A truly monumental

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figure in 20th and 21st century arts. But the

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paradox is just. unavoidable isn't it based on

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everything we've covered he's this artist obsessed

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with neurosis with moral gray areas someone famously

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private yet his own intensely personal life specifically

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the start of his relationship with sunyi and

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that subsequent harrowing allegation became incredibly

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public and remains so it creates this fundamental

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tension The sources show us this artist reaching

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the absolute peak of his profession while simultaneously

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his personal life generates controversies that

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challenge many people's ability or willingness

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to separate the art from the artist. Right. And

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seeing him now reportedly struggling to get funding

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for his next film, trying to set it up in Barcelona,

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it kind of crystallizes the whole thing. It leaves

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you, the listener, with this question, I think.

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Yeah. In today's world where we demand so much

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transparency, where the artist and their perceived

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morality are so closely linked, can someone whose

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work constantly dives into human flaws and complexities,

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can that artist ever really escape the public's

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demand for simple answers, for clear moral judgments

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about their own life? It's the question that

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hangs over this entire legacy, isn't it? Yeah.

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That tension between the art, the artist, and

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the audience's expectations in the information

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age. It's something that likely won't be resolved

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anytime soon.
