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Welcome to the Deep Dive. Today we've got quite

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a stack of sources here. Biographies, public

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records, financial deep dives, all focused on

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one person. Yeah, a figure who's really synonymous

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with Hollywood itself, isn't he? Thomas Cruise,

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Mapaldo IV. Tom Cruise. And our mission really

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is to try and cut through all the noise, you

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know, the constant media swirl. Exactly. We want

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to get down to the facts. Look at his, what,

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nearly 45 -year career, unpack the business side,

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the, um... the immense financial power he wields.

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And of course, we have to talk about the controversies,

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especially his role in the Church of Scientology.

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That's just inseparable from his story, really.

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It is. So let's ground this. Where does he stand

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right now in 2025? The numbers are just huge.

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Okay, yeah, the raw stats. His films. Over $13

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.3 billion worldwide gross. That's billion with

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a B. Which puts him right up there. I mean, truly

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in the highest tier of actors. And it's not just

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money, right? There's the recognition, too. An

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honorary Palme d 'Or at Cannes, three Golden

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Globes. Four Oscar nominations spanning different

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kinds of roles and just recently some really

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significant honors. Like the U .S. Navy's highest

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civilian award, the Distinguished Public Service

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Award, end of 2024. Yeah. And then the BFI Fellowship

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British Film Institute in early 2025. That's

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serious industry respect sustained over decades.

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Few people ever achieved that kind of longevity

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and influence. So you've got this picture, right?

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The ultimate movie star, the guy who risks everything.

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For the shot. The showman. Exactly. But then

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constantly there's this other narrative running

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alongside it, the Scientology advocate, the controversy

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magnet. It's this duality that makes him so fascinating,

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I think. So let's trace it back. How did it all

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start? Because his childhood was nothing like

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the life he leads now. Right. Let's get into

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the genesis of the superstar, the early life,

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the 80s breakthrough. OK, so the sources are

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pretty clear. Born July 3rd, 1962, Syracuse,

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New York. And the childhood, marked by, well,

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near poverty and just constant moving. How much

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moving? 15 schools in 14 years before finishing

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high school. Whoa. Just imagine that instability.

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And a lot of that stemmed from his father, Thomas

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Cruz Mapofa III, an electrical engineer. But

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the descriptions Cruz uses, they're pretty bleak.

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Yeah. I saw those quotes. He called him a merchant

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of chaos. A bully. A coward. Said he beat the

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kids. That's incredibly dark. And Cruz himself

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drew a lesson from it, didn't he? About trust.

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Yeah, he described his father as someone who'd

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lull you in, make you feel safe, and then bang.

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It taught him, basically, don't trust him. Be

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careful. That kind of early experience, that

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chaos, you have to think it instilled a need

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for control later on. For precision. It seems

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likely, doesn't it? That need for structure,

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self -reliance. His father passed away in 84,

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but that early impact seems profound. Now, before

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acting really took hold, there was this brief

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detour, wasn't there, into religion. Right, yeah.

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He had a Catholic upbringing. And for about a

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year, he was actually at St. Francis Seminary

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in Cincinnati. Thinking of becoming a priest.

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Apparently so. Franciscan order. He was on a

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scholarship. But only for a year. Why'd he leave?

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Well, accounts vary. Some say the family moved

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again, which, given the track record, sounds

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plausible. But there's another story from a former

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classmate, actually, claimed Cruz got caught

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taking liquor from the seminary and was asked

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to leave. Huh. Okay, so maybe not quite the path

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to priesthood. Either way, by 18, he'd made a

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different choice. Moved to New York City, wanted

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to be an actor. His mom and stepfather supported

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the move. And started right at the bottom. Oh,

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yeah. Buzz Boy in New York, then shifted to L

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.A. trying for TV roles. His very first film

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role was tiny. Endless Love, 1981, just a bit

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part. But things moved fast after that. Very

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fast. Taps later in 81. That was the real launch

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pad. Military Academy drama. He wasn't meant

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to have a big part initially, was he? No, he

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was hired basically as an extra background cadet.

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But the director, Harold Becker, was apparently

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just blown away by his intensity on set. So they

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expanded the role. Significantly. Turned him

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into David Shawn, that sort of crazed standout

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cadet, a major supporting character. People noticed

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him in that. And that really set the stage for

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the 80s explosion. 1983 feels like the pivotal

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year. Definitely. First, Coppola's The Outsiders.

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Huge ensemble cast, packed with future stars

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Matt Dillon, Rob Lowe, Patrick Swayze. A real

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who's who. Yeah. And then later that same year.

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Risky business. Ah, yes. The sunglasses, the

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underwear scene. It was instantly labeled, you

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know, a Generation X classic, a career maker.

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It just perfectly captured his energy, that mix

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of. charm and rebellion. And that just catapulted

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him, didn't it? Straight towards Top Gun. Exactly.

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1986. Top Gun wasn't just a hit, it was a phenomenon.

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It cemented him as a global superstar, a sex

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symbol. It really set the template for that high

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-octane, charismatic action hero he'd become

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known for. But what's interesting looking back

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is he didn't just stick to that, did he? He immediately

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used that clout to work with serious directors.

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Right. That's a smart move. Straight after Top

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Gun, he does The Color of Money with Martin Scorsese.

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Playing pool against Paul Nimmin. I mean, talk

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about holding your own. And critics noticed.

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They praised the chemistry. So you really believe

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these guys were top pool players. It showed he

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had dramatic chocks, not just star power. And

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he followed that up quickly. Rain Man in 88.

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Yeah. Opposite Dustin Hoffman. And Rain Man wins

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Best Picture. Cruz is in a complex supporting

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role there, showing he could play alongside another

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huge talent without, you know, just dominating

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through sheer charisma. It broadened his range

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again. But the real turning point. Critically

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speaking, the moment he went from star to maybe

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respected actor, that was 89, right? Absolutely.

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Oliver Stone's Born on the Fourth of July, playing

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Ron Kovach, the paralyzed Vietnam vet. That was

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a huge swing for him. Massive. And the reviews

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were incredible. Roger Ebert wrote something

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like, nothing Cruise has done will prepare you

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for what he does in this film. So the performance

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was so convincing, the movie lived through it.

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And that's when the awards really started coming

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in. First Golden Globe for Best Actor in a Drama.

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And, crucially, his first Oscar nomination for

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Best Actor. He'd done it. He'd used his box office

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power to get taken seriously as a dramatic actor.

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So as we move into the 1990s, his personal life

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starts becoming much more public, right? Especially

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his marriage to Nicole Kidman. Yeah, they met

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filming Days of Thunder in 1990s, got married

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that year, and his next two big films co -start

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her. Days of Thunder, the racing movie, and then

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Far and Away in 92, that historical epic. Those

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were solid hits, but the rest of the 90s really

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shows him refusing to be pinned down. He kept

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stretching. Like The Firm in 93. That was huge,

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wasn't it? The John Grisham legal thriller? Massive.

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Critically acclaimed, commercially successful,

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proved he could carry a complex talking movie

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entirely on his shoulders. And then, again, this

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almost whiplash -inducing turn from legal thriller

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to gothic horror. Interview with the Vampire,

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1994. playing Lestat. And this is where we get

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that amazing story about Anne Rice, the author.

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Right. She was really against him being cast,

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wasn't she? Very publicly. Extremely publicly.

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She wanted Julian Sands, thought Cruise was too,

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you know, all -American, too top gun for the

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decadent Lestat. But then she saw the movie.

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And did a complete 180. She was apparently just

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stunned by his performance, how he captured the

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character. And she didn't just say it. She paid

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to say it. That's the incredible part. Took out

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a two -page ad in Daily Variety, cost nearly

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$8 ,000 back then, just to publicly apologize

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and praise his performance, a huge public admission

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that she was wrong. That says a lot about his

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focus, his ability to transform. 1996. That feels

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like another massive turning point. Maybe the

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biggest strategic. Oh, absolutely. 1996 is the

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year he launches Mission Impossible. And crucially,

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he's not just the star, Ethan Hunt. He's the

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producer. Exactly. It was the first big project

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for Cruz Wagner Productions, the company he'd

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set up with his former agent, Paula Wagner, back

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in 93. This shift from just actor to actor producer.

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That's the foundation of the power he has now,

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isn't it? Completely. It gave him control, creative,

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and financial. We'll definitely get more into

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that. But even while building this franchise

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machine, he kept chasing the critical hits, too.

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Like later in 96, Jerry Maguire? Yeah, with Cameron

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Crowe. Show me the money. Iconic. And another

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massive success, right? Both box office and awards.

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Totally. Over $273 million worldwide. showed

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he could absolutely nail romantic dramedy, got

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him his second Golden Globe, this time for musical

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or comedy, and his second best actor Oscar nomination.

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He was really balancing the blockbuster and the

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prestige picture perfectly. And he finished the

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decade working with absolute legends. Stanley

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Kubrick, Eyes Wide Shut, 1999, reuniting with

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Kidman on screen, a notoriously difficult long

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shoot. But his performance was praised, right,

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for the commitment. Yeah, critics noted that

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sort of fierce dedication he brings to everything,

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and then almost immediately after Kubrick. Paul

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Thomas Anderson. Magnolia. And in a supporting

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role, which was a surprise for a star of his

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magnitude then. Playing Frank T .J. Mackey, that

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toxic motivational speaker. That role was something

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else. So intense. And universally acclaimed.

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Rolling Stone called him a revelation, said he

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was fully deserving of the shower of superlatives,

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described his energy as like a wounded animal.

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Wow. And that got him more awards buzz. Third

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Golden Globe, third Oscar nomination, this time

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for supporting actor. It proved he was willing

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to take risks, work with challenging directors,

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even step out of the leading man spotlight for

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the right role. He truly diversified his portfolio,

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you could say. So, okay, entering the 2000s,

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he's got the critical respect, he's got the production

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company. Now what? Now he seems to fully embrace

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becoming the undisputed king of the blockbuster,

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leveraging all that capital he'd built up. Mission

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Impossible 2 kicks off the decade in 2000. Directed

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by John Woo. Very different style. Very different.

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And it was the biggest film in the world that

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year, $547 million globally. That really cemented

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the MI franchise as his core action vehicle.

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This is also when he starts working with Spielberg.

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Yeah, a major collaboration. First, Vanilla Sky

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in 2001, which was kind of a remake, a bit more

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experimental. And then the big one, Minority

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Report in 2002. Which is still considered a classic

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sci -fi film. Absolutely. Often ranks among the

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greats. It showed he could anchor these big,

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intelligent, complex blockbusters, not just pure

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action. But he kept mixing it up, even within

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the action genre. Definitely. The Last Samurai

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in 2003, historical action drama, got him another

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Golden Globe nomination. And then a really interesting

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move in 2004. Collateral. Playing the villain.

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Yeah. Vincent, the gray -haired hitman, directed

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by Michael Mann. Such a cool, sleek, neo -noir

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film. And critics loved him in it. Showed a darker

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side. Totally subverted his usual hero image.

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It was seen as a really strong performance and

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a great thriller. And all this time, Cruz Wagner

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Productions is humming along behind the scenes.

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Right. co -producing almost all his films, but

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also backing other interesting projects where

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he didn't even appear, like the others that Nicole

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Kidman, Ghost Story or Shattered Glass. So his

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influence was really growing beyond just his

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own stardom. Massively. This is when people like

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Edward J. Epstein, the Hollywood economist, started

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calling him one of the most powerful and richest

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forces in Hollywood. Epstein said he was in that

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tiny group like Spielberg or Lucas who could

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basically guarantee a billion dollar franchise

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success, right? Exactly. And Epstein made that

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crucial point. The public gets so caught up in

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the tabloid stuff. Right, the controversies.

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That they often miss the exceptional commercial

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prowess, the sheer strategic brilliance of his

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business operation. Which leads us directly to

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that big rupture in 2006, the split with Paramount.

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Yeah, that was huge news. Sumner Redstone, the

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Viacom chairman back then, publicly announced

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they were ending their 14 -year relationship

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with Cruz Wagner. And the reason given was his

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public behavior. The Oprah couch jump. The Scientology

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comment. That was the official line, yeah. Redstone

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claimed Cruz's antics were costing the studio

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money. But was that the real reason? The sources

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suggest maybe not. Well, industry analysts at

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the time, and looking back, felt that the public

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stuff was more of a convenient excuse. The deeper

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issue, reportedly, was money. Specifically, the

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money from the mission. Impossible DVDs. Exactly.

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Cruz -Wagner had negotiated an incredible deal,

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giving them a huge chunk of the home video revenue,

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the back -end cuts. DVDs were massive then, and

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Paramount was apparently furious about how much

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Cruise's company was taking from this incredibly

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valuable franchise. So it was really a fight

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over profit sharing disguised as a reaction to

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his personal life. That's what many analysts

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contend. It was about the revolutionary nature

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of his deal structure. So what did Cruise and

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Wagner do after the Paramount split? They made

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a power move. took over the management of United

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Artists, the historic studio, in late 2006. So

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they became studio heads, essentially. Pretty

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much. Cruise produced and starred in films there,

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like Lions for Lambs and Valkyrie. Wagner eventually

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stepped down from the day -to -day in 2008, but

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kept her stake. But the split with Paramount

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didn't last forever, did it? No. Business logic

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tends to win out in Hollywood. Cruise eventually

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went back to Paramount, both as producer and

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star. Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol in 2011

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really marked the big return. And launched the

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modern era of that franchise, which has been

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incredibly successful. Hugely successful. And

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he's still making strategic moves. January 2024,

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he announced a new partnership with Warner Bros.

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Discovery. Developing and producing films there,

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both original stuff and potential franchises.

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It shows the industry still sees him as a major

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creative and financial force. So the 2010s, 2020s.

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This is peak Tom Cruise, the global action phenomenon.

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Absolutely. Box office juggernaut. He even holds

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a Guinness World Record for the most consecutive

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movies grossing over $100 million. How many is

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that? Seven films in a row between 2011 and 2018.

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Just an incredible run of commercial fits. And

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then the biggest of them all, Top Gun Maverick

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in 2022. Yeah, just blew everyone away. Huge

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critical acclaim, broke box office records left

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and right. Over a billion dollars worldwide,

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his highest grossing film ever. And his personal

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payday from that was reported to be enormous,

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wasn't it? Estimated at around $100 million.

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How does that work? How does he make that much

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from one movie? It goes back to those back -end

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deals. He doesn't just take a salary up front.

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He gets a percentage of the film's total revenue

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after the studio makes back its costs. So not

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just ticket sales. No, everything. Rentals, streaming

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deals, Blu -ray sales, TV rights. across the

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entire life of the film it's a structure that

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gives him immense earning potential and frankly

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leverage it's incredible financial engineering

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really but even he can't control everything right

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like what happened with the last mission impossible

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right dead reckoning part one in 2023 critically

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it was well received people liked the movie but

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the box office was disappointing Yeah. Compared

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to expectations. Yeah. And largely because of

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timing. It ran straight into the Barbenheimer

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phenomenon. The simultaneous release of Barbie

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and Oppenheimer. Exactly. That cultural moment

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just sucked up all the oxygen, all the screens.

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It showed that even Tom Cruise can get caught

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in the cross currents of unexpected cultural

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trends. He guarantees spectacle, but not always

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the release window. So what's next? He's got

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another. Mission Impossible coming. Mission Impossible,

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The Final Reckoning, set for 2025. And he said

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this will be his last time playing Ethan Hunt.

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The end of an era for that character. Definitely.

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But he's not stopping. He's already lining up

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other big projects, like that untitled film with

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director Alejandro Gonzalez Iñárritu at Warner

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Bros. High prestige stuff. And still doing crazy

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stunts. I saw something about him jumping off

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a stadium roof. Yeah. Stade de France in Paris,

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apparently, for a promo shoot for the L .A. 2028

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Olympics. The commitment to spectacle is just

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undimmed. OK, so that's the professional side,

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unparalleled success, strategic genius, physical

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commitment. But we have to turn to the other

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side now, the public life, the personal controversies

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mainly revolving around Scientology. Right. And

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his involvement there goes way back, since 1986.

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It's been a constant thread and a constant source

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of media scrutiny. Let's trace the relationships

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again, but through that lens. His first wife,

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Mimi Rogers. Married 87 to 90. She was actually

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a second generation Scientologist, one of their

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auditors. That's their term for counselors, basically.

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She's the one who introduced him to Scientology.

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And after they divorced, she gave that Playboy

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interview. Yeah, in 93. Suggested Cruz had considered

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becoming a monk and that it affected their intimacy,

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but she later retracted those specific comments.

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Under pressure. Sources suggest yes. Friends

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claimed Tom, agents, studios were furious, told

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her career was basically over unless she walked

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it back. She did end up getting a substantial

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divorce settlement, around $4 million. Then came

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Nicole Kidman. Met on Days of Thunder, married

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1990, adopted two children. Divorced 2001. Right.

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Publicly, Kidman mentioned suffering an ectopic

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pregnancy and a later miscarriage during the

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marriage. But behind the scenes, there were allegations

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about Scientology's role in the breakup. Yeah,

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this comes from former high -ranking Scientologist

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Mike Rinder. He claimed the church actively worked

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to break them up. Alleged pressure on Cruz increased

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auditing. And even phone tapping on Kidman. Rinder

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alleged that, yeah, to monitor her. Now, Cruz's

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lawyer vehemently denied any wiretapping. But

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the claim itself points to the perception of

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the church's deep influence in his personal life.

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After Kidman, he dated Penelope Cruz for about

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three years, until 2004. Then things got really

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intense regarding his relationships in Scientology,

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didn't they? That's when Vanity Fair published

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that explosive article, alleging that after the

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crew's breakup, Scientology leaders launched

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a secret project. A project to find him a new

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girlfriend. Essentially, yes. To audition Scientologist

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actresses. The article described a process, interviewing

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candidates, asking deeply personal questions.

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And this allegedly led to a brief relationship

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with actress Nazanin Bonaidi. That was the claim.

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Bonatti later left Scientology and described

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the whole process, her time with Cruz, in very

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harsh terms comparing it to white slavery. Wow.

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How did Scientology and Cruz respond? Strong

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denials. Threatened lawsuits against Vanity Fair,

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called it religious bigotry. But the story stuck,

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adding to the narrative of intense church involvement

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in his life. And then Tomcat. Ah, yes. Katie

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Holmes. Starting in April 2005. And the couch

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jump. The Oprah couch jump. That became the defining

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image, didn't it? That public declaration of

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love. It was a lot. They got married in November

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2006. A big Scientology ceremony in Italy. With

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David Miscavige, the leader of Scientology, as

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his best man. Very high profile. But the marriage

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didn't last. Holmes filed for divorce in 2012.

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And the reason became public later. Yeah. During

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subsequent legal proceedings, Cruz himself admitted

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under deposition that Holmes divorced him partly

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to protect their daughter, Suri, from Scientology.

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That's a huge admission. Massive. He also confirmed

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Suri is no longer a practicing Scientologist.

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It really laid bare the personal cost and family

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conflict stemming from his deep commitment to

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the church. And that commitment, as you said,

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started in 86. He's known to be very close to

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Miscavige. Yes. And he credits Scientology's

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methods specifically. something called study

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technology with helping him overcome his dyslexia.

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What is study technology exactly? It's Scientology's

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approach to learning. Focuses on identifying

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barriers like misunderstood words to improve

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comprehension. He genuinely believes it helped

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him significantly. But his public advocacy for

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Scientology has often backfired, hasn't it? Consistently.

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After 9 -11, for instance, he co -founded this

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group, Downtown Medical, offered detoxification

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therapy to rescue workers. Based on Scientology

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principles. Yeah, L. Ron Hubbard's purification

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rundown. Saunas, vitamins, oils. But it drew

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immediate strong criticism from doctors and firefighters.

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Called it pseudoscience, potentially harmful.

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Yet he received an award from Scientology for

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it. Yeah, Miscavige gave him the Scientology

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Freedom Medal of Valor for that initiative. highlighted

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the disconnect between how the church viewed

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his actions and how the outside world, particularly

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the medical community, saw them. His lobbying

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efforts have caused issues, too. Like in France.

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Right. 2005, he lobbied the French interior minister,

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Nicolas Sarkozy, at the time, trying to get Scientology

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recognized officially as a religion there. And

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the reaction? The Council of Paris basically

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said, no more dealings with this guy, called

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him a militant spokesman for Scientology, showed

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his activism could have real diplomatic consequences.

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We also know he turned down a Kennedy Center

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honor from President Trump in 2025. But. The

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biggest public controversy, the one everyone

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remembers, has to be the anti -psychiatry stuff.

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Oh, absolutely. His statement that psychiatry

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should be outlawed. Right. His claim that there's

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no such thing as a chemical imbalance. And specifically

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calling out Brooke Shields for using Paxil for

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postpartum depression. Yes. That led to her famous

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response. Tom should stick to saving the world

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from aliens and let women who are experiencing

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postpartum depression decide what treatment options

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are best for them. And it culminated in that

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incredibly awkward, heated interview with Matt

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Lauer on the Today Show in 2005. Yeah, where

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Cruz called Lauer glib for questioning his stance

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on psychiatric drugs. It was a major media moment.

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How did the medical world react? Very negatively.

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Medical authorities felt his comments were actively

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harmful, increasing the stigma around mental

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illness, potentially stopping people from seeking

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help. The Lancet, the medical journal, basically

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said, look, maybe drugs are overused sometimes,

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but a celebrity shouldn't be adding to the burden

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of the mentally ill. Did he ever walk that back?

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He did eventually apologize personally to Brooke

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Shields in 2006, but the public perception damage

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was significant and long -lasting. And finally,

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there's the pattern of litigation. He seems quick

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to sue to protect his image. Very much so. He

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successfully sued tabloids over false claims

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about his sexuality, won a huge $10 million default

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judgment against a porn actor who falsely claimed

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an affair. But the lawsuit about abandoning his

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daughter Suri... That one backfired a bit, didn't

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it? In a way, he sued In Touch and Life and Style

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magazines for defamation over headlines claiming

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he'd abandoned Suri after the divorce. But during

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the deposition for that case... He had to admit

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under oath that he hadn't actually seen his daughter

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in 110 days at that point. Oof. Yeah. While he

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eventually settled the suit, that admission revealed

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a difficult personal reality behind the public

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image he fought so hard to control. It just highlights

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this constant battle to manage the narrative.

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Okay, so weaving this all together, The incredible

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career, the controversies. How do we understand

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his enduring legacy? Roger Ebert had a theory,

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didn't he? Yeah. About a formula. Yeah. Ebert

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identified what he called the Tom Cruise picture

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formula, especially looking at those 80s hits.

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But you can see elements of it recurring throughout

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his career. A formula for success. What were

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the ingredients? Ebert listed nine key things.

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Let's see if I can remember them. Okay. One,

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the Cruise character, usually the hotshot, maybe

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an underachiever initially. Right. Two, the mentor

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figure who guides him. Three. The superior woman,

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often the love interest, sometimes a superior

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officer or professional. Four. The craft, the

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skill he has to master, like flying, pool, lawyering.

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Five. The arena, the specific world or institution,

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like Top Gun school, a courtroom. Six. The arcana,

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the secret knowledge or jargon of that world.

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Seven. The trail, the journey or process of learning.

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Eight. The proto -enemy, often internal flaw,

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like recklessness or an early rival. Like Iceman

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and Top Gun. Exactly. And finally, nine, the

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eventual enemy, the external threat or antagonist

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he has to overcome. If you apply that to Top

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Gun, it fits perfectly. Maverick's the hotshot,

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needs to hone flying, the craft in the arena.

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Top Gun's school, mentored by Viper, deals with

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his recklessness, proto -enemy. And Iceman takes

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on the MiGs. Eventual enemy. Precisely. But what's

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clever, as Ebert pointed out, is how Cruz sometimes

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uses the formula but flips the emotional core.

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How so? Take a few good men. Caffey is the hotshot

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lawyer, the underachiever who coasts. The craft

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he needs to hone isn't about gaining discipline

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like Maverick. It's about letting go of his cynical

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detachment and actually committing, challenging

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the system. Ah, I see. So the formula provides

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structure, but the internal journey can change.

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Right. or Rain Man. Charlie Babbitt is the hotshot

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hustler. The craft isn't business, it's learning

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empathy, connecting with his brother. The arcana

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is understanding Raymond's world. The arena is

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the road trip. The proto -enemy is his own greed.

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It's adaptable. That's fascinating. Explain some

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of that consistent appeal. Beyond the films,

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his personal passions have become part of his

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image too, right? Like aviation. Definitely.

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He's been a licensed pilot since 94. Flies aerobatics.

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owns his own P -51 Mustang Warbird. He was inducted

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into the Living Legends of Aviation Group in

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2010. It's not just an on -screen thing. And

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he has this unique international standing, especially

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in Japan. Yeah, remarkably so. Apparently, his

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connection with Japan is so strong that back

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in 2006, October 10th was officially declared

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Tom Cruise Day there. That's a pretty unique

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honor for a Western celebrity. And the industry

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continues to recognize his power, not just as

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an actor, but as a producer. Right. Receiving

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the David O. Selznick Achievement Award from

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the Producers Guild in 2022, that's a major acknowledgement

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of his business impact. And the most recent awards

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really lean into the action star persona. Seems

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like it. Winning the Critics' Choice Super Award

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for Best Actor in an Action Movie three years

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running 2023, 2024, 2025, even in his 60s, he's

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still seen as the absolute benchmark for action

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performance. So wrapping this all up for you,

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the listener. What are we seeing here? We've

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tracked this journey from, frankly, a really

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tough childhood. Yeah, chaotic, unstable. To

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this global figure defined by an almost obsessive

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need for control. Control over the finances,

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the back end deals. Control over the stunts,

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the production, the physical performance. And

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often. trying desperately to control the public

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narrative, especially around his personal life

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and beliefs. And that duality is the core, isn't

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it? The absolute mastery of filmmaking craft

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and commercial strategy on one hand. Contrasted

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with a personal life constantly under a microscope,

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often defined by controversial affiliations and

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legal fights, like Epstein said, the noise often

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drowns out appreciation for the sheer scale of

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his professional achievement. The sources are

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clear. He's one of maybe a tiny handful of people

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left who can reliably open a massive billion

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dollar potential movie purely on his name and

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commitment. So given that undeniable bankability,

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that dedication to spectacle, the unique financial

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power he holds, we have to leave you with a question

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to think about. With Mission impossible supposedly

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ending for him in 2025, does the entire concept

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of the singular, globally bankable movie star

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now rest primarily on his shoulders? And if it

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does, what happens to the blockbuster landscape

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when Ethan Hunt finally hangs it up? What does

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that future look like? Something for you to chew

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on.
