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right. Today, we're doing a deep dive into, honestly,
just an extraordinary career arc. Ki Hui Kwan.
Yeah, this is one of those stories that feels
bigger than just Hollywood, doesn't it? It's
really about resilience. Yeah. Smart career moves.
Yeah. And just playing the long game. Totally.
We're looking at someone who started out, you
know, displaced by war, becomes this huge child
star internationally. Right. Then faces almost
two decades, basically silence, professionally
in front of the camera anyway, and then comes
back with this historic award sweeping success.
Incredible. And that gap, that 19 year gap, the
sabbatical, as the sources call it, that's really
the heart of it, isn't it? What we want to unpack.
Exactly. Our mission here isn't just to list
his movies, you know, it's to dig into that long
middle part, the time he spent working really
hard behind the camera. We need to understand
how those technical skills he was building almost
in secret didn't just get him ready for a comeback,
but actually made him the only person who could
have possibly played Waymond Wang. That's the
core insight, I think. The kid everyone loved
in the 80s, short round, data. He didn't just
sit around waiting. No. He actively built this
really complex, like multi -layered skill set.
You've got martial arts, serious technical directing
knowledge. He's multilingual. Yeah. And then.
When the perfect moment finally came, all those
things converged. It let him give a performance
that was so layered, so demanding, that basically
redefined his entire career and broke some major
barriers in the industry. It's a masterclass,
really, in reinventing yourself professionally.
Okay, so to really get the full picture, we absolutely
have to start at the beginning. And his beginning
is a deeply rooted... In conflict and displacement.
Oh, absolutely. His story is tied right into
the history of Southeast Asia at that time. He
was born in Saigon, South Vietnam. The sources
say either 1970 or 71. Right. And this is crucial.
His family was of Chinese descent. They were
part of the Hoa ethnic minority in Vietnam. Why
is that so important? Well, because after the
Vietnam War ended in 1975, the situation for
the Hoa people became really, really dangerous.
There were intense political and ethnic tensions.
Got it. So fleeing Vietnam wasn't just like immigrating.
It was a desperate escape. Absolutely. The sources
show that just three years after the war, his
family had to flee. And it led to this just devastating
separation. No, Sue. The family was literally
split up, scattered as refugees. Ki Hui Kwan,
his dad, and five siblings ended up in a refugee
camp over in Hong Kong. Wow. Meanwhile, his mother
and three other siblings got separated, and they
wound up seeking refuge in Malaysia. Can you
imagine being maybe eight years old, separated
from your mom, half your siblings, living in
a camp? The uncertainty must have been immense,
relying on international aid just to get by.
It's incredible. And it wasn't until 1979, so
four years after the war, after all that trauma,
that they were finally admitted to the U .S.
Right, through the refugee admissions program.
Yeah. That's when they settled in California.
He grew up there, went to Mount Gleason Junior
High, Alhambra High School. And that background,
arriving as a refugee. It just makes what happens
next even more unbelievable. Totally. Within
just a few years of arriving in the U .S., he
has this immediate, almost lightning fast rise
to global fame. Which brings us straight to 1984
and the role that made him famous overnight,
Short Round. Indiana Jones and the Temple of
Doom. And the story of how he got cast, it's
pure Hollywood legend, right? He was only 13.
It's amazing. Pure serendipity. The casting director
was at Castellar Elementary School looking for
a kid to play Indy's sidekick. Yeah. But they
weren't even looking at Kei Hui Kwan at first.
They were auditioning his younger brother. No
way. Yeah. Apparently Kwan was just there to
kind of coach his brother, give him pointers,
run lines. And the director spots this energetic,
really expressive kid just hanging around. And
that was it. That was it. He gets the part. playing
Harrison Ford's 12 -year -old sidekick. I mean,
think about that leap. Refugee Camp, five years
earlier, now co -starring in one of the biggest
movies in the world. The impact was huge. He
got a Saturn Award nomination right away. Best
performance by a younger actor. And he didn't
slow down. The very next year, 1985, boom. The
Goonies. He becomes Richard Data Wang, the inventor.
Absolutely. For a whole generation, that one
-two punch short round, then Data just... burned
him into memory as like the definitive 80s child
star. It feels like the story could end there
for some child actors, but the sources show he
actually kept working pretty steadily through
the late 80s, early 90s. And he was surprisingly
adaptable working internationally, too. Yeah,
that adaptability is really interesting. He wasn't
just stuck being the American sidekick. In 86,
he did a Taiwanese movie, It Takes a Thief, playing
a pickpocket orphan. OK. Then the next year,
87, he's in a Japanese film called Passengers.
So right away, you see him comfortable in different
production environments, probably using those
language skills he had. And back in the U .S.
on TV. A bit of a mixed bag there. He was in
a family drama, Together We Stand, for about
19 episodes in 86, 87. Didn't last long. Right.
But then he landed a main role, Jasper Kwong,
in the sitcom Head of the Class. That ran from
1990 to 91, so a more solid gig. Okay, so she's
working. What else in the 90s? Looking through
the timeline, he was busy. Breathing Fire in
91. A small role in Encino Man in 92. Remember
that one? Vaguely. Brendan Fraser, right? That's
the one. But then he takes on this huge project.
He stars in a Taiwanese TV show, Eunuch and Carpenter.
It was in Mandarin. Ran for 40 episodes in 1993.
40 episodes. Starring role in Mandarin. Yeah.
That's a massive undertaking. It really shows
his range, his global appeal. He was clearly
a versatile talent. Which makes it even more
stark when that stream of work eventually just
dries up. And that leads into this huge pivot,
the phase that really defines the next 20 years
for him. Right. This transition, moving away
from acting around the year 2000. This is really
the core of our deep dive today. And the reason
wasn't, you know, a lack of talent or anything.
It was a pretty harsh reality. What was it? As
he got older. became an adult, Kei Hui Kwan found
it incredibly difficult to get acting roles,
specifically in the U .S. The opportunities just
weren't there for him anymore. Pretty much. Yeah.
Or if he was offered parts, they were often like
really stereotypical flat characters, nothing
complex, nothing interesting, especially compared
to the charismatic kid roles he'd had. That must
have been frustrating. Immensely. It was basically
a systemic problem, a barrier that ultimately
pushed him to quit acting. Wow. So he just walked
away? Not exactly away from the industry, which
is key. It wasn't a light decision. It sounds
like more of a professional necessity. Yeah.
But he made a really strategic move. He went
back to school. Oh, yeah. Where? He enrolled
in the film program at USC, University of Southern
California, a really prestigious program. Smart.
So if he couldn't get in front of the camera.
He decided to learn how to master everything
behind it. Yeah. And did he thrive there? Seems
like it. The sources mention he wasn't just,
you know, attending classes. While he was a student,
he actually edited a short film, a comedy horror
short called Voodoo. Okay. And that film, directed
by a friend, Greg Bishop, it won the Audience
Award at the Slamdance Film Festival back in
2000. That's significant. Slamdance is a big
deal for indie film. Totally. And what's really
interesting is thinking about editing. It requires
this deep understanding of pacing. Timing, emotional
beats, continuity. Skills that would actually
help an actor, right? But from a technical side.
Exactly. And apparently voodoo is still shown
to USC film students today, which says a lot
about the quality of his work even back then.
So he's building these technical skills, editing.
But there was another skill set he already had,
right? Something that gave him an immediate way
back onto film sets. Yes. Martial arts and stunt
coordination. Ah, right. From his childhood.
This is where that early foundation really paid
off. He'd studied taekwondo with Philip Tan way
back on the set of Indiana Jones. Wow. And he
kept training later on, studied under a master
named Taoliang Tan, eventually got a second degree
black belt. That's serious dedication. And that
physical expertise, that was the key. It unlocked
almost two decades of steady work behind the
scenes. OK, let's get into that behind the scenes
work, because it's not just like fetching coffee.
He had some serious technical roles. for nearly
20 years, both in Asia and the U .S. He really
did. He became this kind of film industry Swiss
army knife. So where did he start with the stunt
stuff? His entry point was immediate and huge.
Because of his martial arts background, he landed
a role as assistant fight choreographer and translator
on the first X -Men movie in 2000. X -Men, wow.
Who brought him in? The legendary Hong Kong choreographer
Corey Yuen. He invited Kwan onto the project.
Okay, hold on. Assistant fight choreographer
on X -Men. What does that actually involve? It
sounds way more complex than just being a stunt
performer. Oh, it's intensely technical. You're
the bridge, basically, between the director's
big action vision and making it happen safely
and effectively on set. Right. You're breaking
down these really complex fight sequences into
movements the actors in stunt doubles can actually
do. You might be teaching people who don't have
a martial arts background. And a translator part?
That was literal, too. Helping the Eastern choreography
team, like Corey Ewan's crew, communicate clearly
with the Western production side. That takes
incredible patience, precision, clarity. Okay,
so a really demanding start. Did that lead to
more work? Immediately. The very next year, 2001,
he's working with Corey Ewan again. This time
as assistant action choreography director on
the Jetline movie, The One. Ah, The One. Lots
of action in that. Totally. It's defined by those
intricate fights. So as assistant action choreography
director, he's deep in the mechanics of how you
tell a story through movement. Like how the camera
needs to move, how actors hit marks. Exactly.
Capturing speed, impact, making sure it's safe,
but also making sure every punch, every kick
actually serves the story. These are filmmaking
skills, not just acting skills. This is fascinating.
He's building this whole. other career. But maybe
the most surprising credit from this period is
working with Wong Kar Wai, right? Yes. In 2004,
he was an assistant director on Wong Kar Wai's
film 2046, which is, you know, this critically
acclaimed, visually stunning, very specific kind
of movie. Wong Kar Wai has a reputation for being
Meticulous is an understatement. Yeah. Perfectionist.
His sets are known for being kind of chaotic,
fluid. He reshoots constantly, rewrites scenes
on the fly, searching for that perfect emotional
moment. So what does an assistant director do
on a set like that? Sounds like chaos management.
it's partly that but it's also being a master
of continuity scheduling even emotional blocking
you have to track microscopic details like the
exact angle of light in a shot filmed weeks ago
where a prop was placed the tiny shift in an
actor's expression across multiple takes it demands
incredible patience and it teaches you that every
single tiny detail builds towards the character's
emotional truth that feels like a really key
connection because wayman wang in everything
everywhere all at once that role required him
to shift between three totally distinct personalities
exactly the sweet kind of down on his luck husband
then a super smooth capable alpha waymond and
the martial arts action hero waymond yeah You
could almost argue that the A .D. work on 2046
taught him the insane level of detail needed
to track those three different emotional states,
keep them distinct but connected. I think that's
a very strong possibility. He wasn't just drifting
for 19 years. He was mastering the technical
side, the physical side, the organizational complexity
of filmmaking at a really high level internationally.
He went from being maybe a typecast actor. To
being this complete storyteller who understood
how every single department. worked he was maybe
without even realizing it fully building the
perfect toolkit for a character that needed all
those skills at the same time okay so he spends
nearly two decades building this incredible diverse
skill set behind the camera what was it what
finally pulled this frankly overqualified professional
back into acting the sources point to one specific
thing the huge success of Crazy Rich Asians in
2018. Ah, right. That movie was massive. Culturally
and commercially, it proved, like definitively,
that audiences are hungry for complex, interesting,
non -stereotypical stories led by Asian actors
and creators. It showed him the landscape had
actually changed. Exactly. It showed him maybe...
Just maybe there was a space now for the kind
of roles he'd wanted all along. A door that had
been slammed shut for him as a young adult might
finally be open. And his first rollback almost
seems faded, doesn't it? A little nod to his
past. It really does. His first major film after
the hiatus was for Netflix. An adventure movie
called Finding Ohana came out in 2021. And the
casting story there is pretty great, too. It's
amazing. It highlights being prepared and just
being in the right place. He apparently overheard
the director, Jude Wang, describing the movie
to someone. And she said. She described it as,
quote, the Goonies meets Indiana Jones. You can't
make this stuff up. Right. The irony. After two
decades maybe trying to move beyond those roles,
they become the very words that unlock his first
step back in. It was like a gentle reintroduction.
Hey, industry, remember me. I'm ready. Exactly.
Successful? But then came the absolute tidal
wave, the phenomenon. Everything, everywhere,
all at once. 2022. Yeah. And the directors, the
Daniels, they were really struggling to cast
Wayman Wang, weren't they? Oh, massively. The
role was a casting nightmare. Think about what
it demands. Okay, break it down. You need brilliant
comedic timing. You need deep, profound emotional
vulnerability. You need language skills. Cantonese,
English, Mandarin are all in there. And you need
high -level martial arts ability and physical
action chops. It's like three or four different
actors rolled into one. Most actors excel in
maybe one or two of those. And how did they find
him? Almost by chance, according to the sources.
Co -director Daniel Kwan was just scrolling Twitter,
saw Kihua Kwan, recognized him from the 80s,
and had this lightbulb moment, realized he was
the right age, had the physical capability. Could
this be the guy? And the timing for Kwan himself
was just perfect. Unbelievably poetic. He had
just signed with a talent agent again, literally
two weeks before he got the audition call from
the Daniels. He said it was like taking a leap
of faith. And that 20 years of preparation just
slams right into that one moment of perfect opportunity.
Precisely. The film comes out in March 2022,
and the reaction is just... Instant. Huge critical
acclaim, but also this massive cultural buzz.
Yeah. And his performance is Waymond. All three
Waymonds. Wow. It was the heart of the film for
so many people. That vulnerability, then the
sudden explosion of skill with Alpha Waymond.
It was the anchor. Totally. And that connection
with audiences, that critical love, it translated
into one of the biggest award sweeps we've seen
in years. We really need to pause and appreciate
the scale of this. He won the Oscar for Best
Supporting Actor. Yep. The Golden Globe. The
Screen Actors Guild Award. All in 2022 for that
one role. And the Oscar win. It wasn't just a
comeback win. It was genuinely historic. Hugely
historic. He became the first Vietnam -born actor
ever to win an Academy Award for acting. Ever.
That's incredible. And put it in wider context,
he's only the second actor of Asian descent to
win Best Supporting Actor. The first was Heng
S. Noor for The Killing Fields way back in 1985.
Almost 40 years between those wins. 40 years.
It really highlights how slow progress has been
for representation at that highest level in Hollywood.
He also broke ground at the SAG Awards, right?
First Asian man to win any individual acting
category there. The impact of this return was
just massive, felt everywhere. Which led to Time
magazine naming him one of their 100 most influential
people in the world in 2023. It cemented his
status. This wasn't just a feel -good story.
It was a powerful statement about the kind of
talent the industry had overlooked for so long.
And crucially, this isn't just a one -hit wonder
situation. He's immediately booked and busy proving
he's here to stay. Absolutely. Look at his TV
work right after. He was in the Disney Plus series
American Born Chinese in 2023. Right. And maybe
even bigger, he joined the main cast of Marvel's
Loki for season two, also in 2023. Played Ouroboros
OB, that quirky TVA tech guy. He was great in
that. So different from Wayvend. Totally different.
And he got a Critics' Choice nomination for it.
That ability to jump from the intense drama of
EAO to the complex sci -fi lore and dry humor
of the MCU, that shows the incredible range he
built during that sabbatical. He's not just playing
parts, he's building characters. And his film
slate is packed, too. Seems like he's in everything
now. Pretty much. Voice role in Kung Fu Panda
4 as Han. A lead role in an action film called
Love Hurts coming up. He's in the big sci -fi
movie The Electric State. Even doing a voice
in Zootopia 2. Wow. He's everywhere. And the
final seal of approval, really. In June 2023,
he was officially invited to join the Academy
of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences as an actor.
The establishment that once couldn't find roles
for him now welcomes him in full circle. So before
we wrap this up, we really should touch on the
personal side, the support system that kind of
helped him navigate this incredible comeback.
Good point. Let's quickly just restate his background,
Han Chinese heritage, from the Hoa minority in
Vietnam. Right. And his languages. Fluent English,
Cantonese, Mandarin. That multilingual skill
is a huge asset. Obviously essential for EEAAO,
but also just in today's global film market.
Definitely. Now talk about the personal connections
that intersected with his professional life in
really amazing ways. His wife, Echo Kwan. Yes.
Echo played this really important, though maybe
quiet, role on the set of Everything Everywhere
All at Once. What did she do? She served as the
on -set translator. Really? Yeah. Think about
how complex that film was. The emotional intensity,
the need for abs - Absolute clarity between the
directors, the crew, and the actors. Like Michelle
Yeoh and Kwon himself were using multiple languages.
Having your wife, someone you trust implicitly,
handling that crucial communication bridge. It
must have been invaluable. A really deep professional
bond right there during his defining comeback
performance. That's incredible. But the connection
that always gets the biggest wow reaction, the
one that feels like it's straight out of a movie
script, is the link back to the Goonies. Oh,
yeah. Jeff Cohen. Chunk. Chunk himself. The symmetry
is just unbelievable. Jeff Cohen played the truffle
shuffling kid. He also stepped away from acting
eventually, like Juan. But he built this incredibly
successful second career. That's it. Top entertainment
lawyer. Get out. Seriously. Seriously. Highly
successful. And the sources confirm he and Kwan
stayed genuine close friends all those years.
That's amazing in itself. It is. So when Kwan
decided he needed to get back into acting seriously,
who do you think he turned to for legal advice,
for representation? It had to be Jeff Cohen.
It was. Jeff Cohen became Kwan's entertainment
lawyer. Yeah. And he was the one who negotiated
the contract for everything, everywhere, all
at once. Stop it. Chunk negotiated the Oscar
-winning deal for short round data. That's the
story. It's perfect. It really underscores how
those connections you make early on, even as
kids on a movie set, can become this vital professional
support system decades later. It's a testament
to loyalty surviving in, let's face it, a pretty
tough business. What a story. Hashtag tag tag
outro. So when you step back and look at the
whole thing, it's just an incredible journey,
isn't it? From refugee kid in 79 to instant global
fame. Right. Then facing that professional wall,
the typecasting, making that smart, deliberate
pivot behind the scenes. Yeah. That rigorous
work. And then staging this comeback that wasn't
just successful. It was unprecedented. Hmm. Historic.
And the key thing isn't just that he came back.
It's how he didn't return just leaning on nostalgia.
He came back as like. A complete filmmaker in
an actor's body. That's a great way to put it.
He took the discipline from his martial arts,
the fight choreography, the deep logistical brain
he must have developed as an AD on a film like
2046. Yeah, the patience. Yeah, his language
skills, plus, you know, the charm he always had.
And he poured every single bit of that into Wayman
Wang. All three of them. That perfect storm.
Right. The USC training, the action expertise,
the AD experience, and then having his childhood
friend negotiate the deal. It all came together.
Yeah. It made his second act arguably way more
impactful, more meaningful than his first. It
wasn't just an acting comeback. It was like a
victory for strategic career development. He
didn't fail at acting. He invested in understanding
the whole industry when the market wasn't right
for him. Exactly. Which leaves us with a really
interesting thought for you, the listener, to
take away from this deep dive. When you look
at all the awards, his barrier breaking status.
What does Ki Hoi Kwan's story really tell us
about the hidden value of skills you pick up
during maybe career detours or downturns? Things
like being an assistant director or a fight choreographer,
sometimes seen as, you know, fallback jobs. But
his story shows they can become the absolute
key ingredients for your biggest success when
that perfect, really complex opportunity finally
shows up. So maybe think about it. What skills
are you honing right now, perhaps on a detour,
that might one day make you uniquely, perfectly
overqualified for the thing you really want to
do? That's a powerful question to ponder. Thanks
for joining us for this deep dive. We'll catch
you next time.