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Welcome to the Deep Dive. If you've ever wondered

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about, well, the deep connections between our

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brains, our health, and the stories we tell,

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then today's Deep Dive is definitely for you.

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We're focusing on Oliver Wolfe Sachs today. An

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extraordinary figure. Absolutely. We're going

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to explore the life and the incredible legacy

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of Sacks. He wasn't just a neurologist, was he?

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The New York Times had that amazing phrase for

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him. Oh, yeah. The poet laureate of contemporary

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medicine. Exactly. And also one of the great

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clinical writers of the 20th century. High praise

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indeed. It really is. And that points to something

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unique he did. So our mission today for you listening

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is to unpack that. How did this British doctor,

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who was also a naturalist and a science historian,

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how did he manage to turn clinical observations,

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which can be quite dry, into compelling narrative

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art, art that just grabbed millions of people?

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Right. How did he make neurology so... Well,

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his whole identity really rests on building that

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bridge. He connected the arts and sciences by

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focusing on the individual story, his books,

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so many bestsellers. They were basically collections

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of these incredibly detailed case studies, people

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dealing with complex neurological issues. Sometimes

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he even wrote about himself. And he didn't just

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list symptoms. He tried to show us their inner

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world, didn't he? That was the key. He illuminated

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their experience. Okay, so let's start at the

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beginning. Because his upbringing, it sounds

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like it was steeped in medicine from day one.

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Oh, intensely so. Born in Cricklewood, London.

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Youngest of four kids. Jewish family. And medicine

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was the family business. His father was a doctor.

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Samuel Sachs, yes. But his mother, Muriel Elsie

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Landau, she was a real trailblazer. One of the

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very first female surgeons in England. Wow. So

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a very high -achieving scientific household.

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Extremely. And that environment was, well, maybe

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clinically stimulating is the right word, but

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also intense. There's this one detail about his

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early exposure that's quite shocking, actually.

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His mother, trying to teach him anatomy, she

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would bring home deformed fetuses from her work.

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Bring them home. Yeah, and dissect them with

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young Oliver, right there, to teach him anatomy,

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dissection techniques. That's... That's an incredibly

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direct way to learn. Very, very clinical. It

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really is. It suggests this environment where

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maybe objective science was prioritized over...

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You know, the subject of the emotional side of

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things. Does that set up a conflict later? You

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mentioned he struggled with real medicine. Did

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this early sort of hyper rational training play

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into that? I think it absolutely does. It creates

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this lifelong tension. On one hand, you have

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this incredible intellectual and medical family

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history. His cousin was Robert Allman, the Nobel

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winner. Abba Eben, the statesman, was family,

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too. A powerhouse family. Right. But on the other

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hand, the emotional groundwork seems fractured.

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Especially by some early trauma. Ah, yes. Evacuation

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during the war. That must have been terrifying.

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It sounds like it was. December 1939. He's only

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six years old. He and his older brother, Michael,

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get evacuated from London because of the Blitz.

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And sent off to boarding school. In Midlands,

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yeah. But this wasn't some idyllic country school.

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The sources paint a grim picture. Ah, so. Meager

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rations of turnips and beetroot. Constant hunger.

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Ah. And cruel punishments at the hands of a sadistic

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headmaster. Just... Awful stuff. That kind of

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experience at age six, that leaves a mark. A

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deep one. He wrote about it years later in his

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first autobiography, Uncle Tunstan. The suffering,

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the deprivation. It seems that early separation

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and trauma, happening right when you're forming

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attachments, it's a key part of understanding

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SACS. Maybe it fueled that later search for order,

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for control. So when he gets back home at age

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10, he doesn't just, like, relax. No. He dives

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headfirst into something structured, something

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controllable. He becomes this incredibly focused

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amateur chemist. Under his Uncle Dave's guidance,

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that's the Uncle Tungsten from the title. That's

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the one. And this intense focus, this ability

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to just immerse himself completely, that's classic

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Sax, isn't it? We see it again and again. Whether

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it's chemicals or later marine life or the human

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brain, he just dives deep. And that focus eventually

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took him to Oxford, Queens College, in 51. Started

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with preclinical studies, physiology, biology.

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Got his B .A. in 56. Pure science, initially.

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Right. But then comes this collision, the sort

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of detached science he'd learned, maybe echoing

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that early clinical exposure from his mother.

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It runs up against the messy reality of human

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suffering, his first big professional crisis.

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What triggered it? It was about meaning, really.

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He chose this research project on Jamaica ginger.

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What's that? It was this toxic substance, often

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abused, that caused terrible, irreversible nerve

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damage. Pretty grim stuff to study. Sounds isolating.

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It was. And he felt he had no guidance. He fell

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into this deep depression. He described it as

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a kind of quiet but agitated despair. He'd mastered

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the science maybe, but he felt totally lost about

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the point of it all. Where was the human element?

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So his parents and his tutor, I think. Yeah.

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They suggested something totally different. Radically

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different. Forget the lab. Go do hard physical

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work. We were. On the kibbutz in Israel. Ein

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Hashafet. Summer of 1955. And did it work? Apparently,

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yes. He called the hard laborer an anodyne, a

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painkiller for his sort of intellectual torture.

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He threw himself into it, lost something like

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60 pounds. It was physical. It was communal.

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It seemed to heal something in him. A physical

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cure for an intellectual problem. You could say

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that. And the insight he gained there was crucial

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for everything that followed. He realized his

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science background hadn't actually prepared him

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for. For real medicine, as he called it. Exactly.

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And what did he mean by that? It wasn't just

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about diagnosing illness. It was about? Listening.

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Really listening to patients. Trying to genuinely

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imagine their experience, their predicament.

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Taking responsibility for them as whole people.

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Moving beyond the technical stuff. Way beyond.

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He saw that medicine forces you to grapple with

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these much graver questions, ethical questions.

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But the quality of someone's life. Is this life

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under these conditions worth living? That realization.

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that empathy and narrative are just as vital

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as pathology. That's the seed of his whole unique

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approach. And he carried that new perspective

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when he finished his medical degrees in 58. He

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did. BMBCH. Ready, perhaps, for a different kind

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of medicine. OK, so he finishes his training

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in the UK, but he doesn't stay. He lives for

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Canada. Right on his 27th birthday, actually.

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July 9th, 1960. Flew to Montreal. He had this

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brief idea about joining the Royal Canadian Air

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Force, doing medical research for them. How did

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that go? Not well. He kept making mistakes in

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the lab, destroying data, losing samples, things

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like that. Oh, dear. Not ideal for a researcher.

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Not at all. His supervisors basically said, look,

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maybe this isn't for you. Your heart doesn't

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see it. Take some time, travel, think things

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over. So that push actually sent him south. Led

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him straight to the U .S., yeah. Arrived in 1961,

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did his internship in San Francisco, then residency

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in neurology and neuropathology down at UCLA.

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And California. This seems to be where the quiet,

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shy Sacks embraces a completely different lifestyle.

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Almost deliberately extreme. It's such a paradoxical

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time in his life. He's living in Topanga Canyon.

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training seriously as a neurologist. But he's

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also diving into, as the sources put it, staggering

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bouts of pharmacological experimentation. Recreational

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drugs. Oh, yeah. He wrote about it quite openly

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later, especially in his book Hallucinations.

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He was really pushing boundaries, exploring consciousness

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chemically. And physically, too. Right. This

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wasn't just intellectual exploration. There was

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the muscle beach connection. Fierce bodybuilding.

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Yeah. Not just casual workouts. He was a serious

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power lifter. Is it true he held a state record?

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Apparently so. A California record for a full

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squad with 600 pounds on his shoulders. 600 pounds.

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That's incredible. It's hard to picture the thoughtful,

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gentle Dr. Sachs doing that. It really is. The

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contrast is jarring. And add to that, he was

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a major biker. Leather jacket, the whole deal.

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Racked up over 100 ,000 miles on his motorcycle.

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Wow. So drugs, intense bodybuilding, motorcycling.

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What was driving all this? Was it a reaction

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against his reserved nature? A search for sensation?

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Yeah, it feels like that, doesn't it? Yeah. Maybe

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a need for physical control, for intense feeling

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to counterbalance that incredibly active inner

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world and his profound shyness. But then it just

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stops. Abruptly, yes. He gave it all up. The

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drugs, the intense bodybuilding, the motorcycle,

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casual sex. He just cut it all off. Why the sudden

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change? It seems like he reached a limit. Maybe

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he exhausted that need for external extremes.

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This break, plus his move over to New York City,

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kind of cleared the decks. It made space for

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the next big shift, his professional epiphany.

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And that epiphany came under the influence. According

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to his own accounts, yeah. Amphetamine assisted.

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And it was sparked by reading something quite

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obscure. What was the reading? The work of a

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19th century doctor named Edward Living. Living

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wrote about migraine, but he did it in this incredibly

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detailed, narrative, empathetic way. He wasn't

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just listing symptoms. He was describing the

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patient's experience. Ah, so Sachs saw a model

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there. Exactly. He saw his calling. He decided

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he wanted to chronicle the oddities of the nervous

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system, but with that same narrative depth, that

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same focus on the person. He wanted to be the

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living of our time. He found his mission, merging

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the clinical with the narrative. That was it,

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focusing on the person. Not just the pathology.

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And interestingly, even after finding this path

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in America, he never quite became fully American.

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He remained a resident alien. For his entire

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life, yeah. He actually said he quite liked the

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term. Resident alien. How did he feel about it?

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He said, it's how I feel. I'm a sympathetic,

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resident, sort of visiting alien. That perspective

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maybe. Being slightly outside, looking in. Perhaps

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that was crucial for maintaining that observational

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narrative stance. An outsider's eye, even after

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decades. So Sachs finds his calling, moves to

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New York, and his really career -defining work

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starts around 1966. He begins working at Beth

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Abraham Hospital. That's in the Bronx, a chronic

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care place. Exactly. And it was there he encountered

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this extraordinary group of patients, the ones

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who had formed the basis of awakenings. These

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were the survivors of the sleeping sickness.

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From way back in the 1920s. Encephalitis lethargica,

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yeah. People who had been essentially frozen,

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catatonic, locked inside themselves for decades,

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some since the 1920s. Just unimaginable. And

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then comes this new drug. Levodopa or L -dopa.

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It was just becoming available. SACS started

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giving it to these patients. And the results

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were? Initially, miraculous. Yeah. Absolutely

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stunning. People who hadn't moved or spoken in

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40 years suddenly woke up. They started moving,

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talking, engaging with the world again. It was

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the basis for his 1973 book, Awakenings. But

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it wasn't just a simple miracle cure, was it?

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No, that's the tragic complexity. The book and

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Sachs himself really grappled with this. The

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initial awakening was often followed by problems,

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severe side effects like terrible A -tics or

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obsessive behaviors. And sometimes they slipped

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back. Sometimes they relapsed into their previous

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state, which must have been utterly heartbreaking.

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It raised huge ethical questions for Sachs. Was

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it right? Was it kind to give them this glimpse

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of life only for it to be potentially snatched

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away or distorted? That human drama, the ethical

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weight, that's what made the book so powerful,

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wasn't it? Absolutely. It resonated far beyond

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medicine. You had the big Hollywood movie in

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1990 with Robin Williams and Robert De Niro.

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Denominated, yeah. But even before that, a British

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documentary in 74. And it kept inspiring adaptations

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of ballet in 2010. An opera just a couple years

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ago by Tobias Picker. It really captured the

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imagination. It did. And it even helped lead

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to the founding of the Institute for Music and

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Neurologic Function, recognizing that maybe music

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and other non -drug therapies could also reach

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these patients. They honored Sachs twice for

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his work in that area. So how did he develop

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this writing style, this ability to turn these

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complex cases into such compelling narratives?

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He was very intentional about it. He saw himself

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reviving an older tradition. He talked about

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19th century clinical anecdotes. Not dry case

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reports. Definitely not. He wanted detailed narrative

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histories. He even called his style novelistic.

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The goal wasn't just the diagnosis. He was capturing

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the person adapting to their situation, their

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unique world. Were there specific influences

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that helped him hone that? Two really stand out.

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First, the Russian neuropsychologist A .R. Luria.

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Luria's work? Yeah. How did that connect? Luria

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also wrote these incredibly detailed, almost

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biographical case histories. Sachs found them

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hugely inspiring. They actually started corresponding

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in 1973 and became close friends. pen pals, really.

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Luria validated Sachs' whole approach, the deep

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observation, the narrative focus. And the second

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influence. The poet W .H. Auden. They were friends.

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After Sachs published his first book, Migraine,

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in 1970, Auden gave him this piece of advice

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that Sachs said was crucial. Auden told him,

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be metaphorical, be mythical, be whatever you

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need. Wow. That sounds like permission almost

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for a scientist to use literary tools. Exactly.

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Permission to blend the factual with the philosophical,

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the clinical with the poetic, to use metaphor

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to explain the mind. And he ran with that. He

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really did. He started writing prolifically,

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not just for medical journals, but for places

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like the New Yorker, the New York Review of Books.

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He wanted to reach a general audience. Which

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explains why he got that Lewis Thomas Prize for

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writing about science. He was bridging that gap.

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Precisely. He made neuroscience accessible and

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deeply human. Okay, so Auden basically tells

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him, go ahead, be literary. And Sax definitely

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takes that to heart in the books that followed

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Awakenings. Let's talk about some of those key

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case studies, starting with maybe his most famous

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title. The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat.

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From 1985. That title alone, it immediately tells

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you something profound and strange is going on.

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It's brilliant, isn't it? It makes this complex

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condition, visual agnosia, instantly relatable

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almost, the inability to recognize objects or

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people, even though your vision itself is fine.

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So the man in the title, Dr. P, I think he calls

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him. He literally couldn't recognize his wife's

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face. Or common objects. He'd see the features,

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the lines, the colors, but his brain couldn't

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put them together into a meaningful whole. So

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yes, he might pat a fire hydrant thinking it

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was a child, or famously try to lift his wife's

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head off her shoulders thinking it was his hat.

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Goodness, how did Sachs use that case? What was

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the deeper point? For Sachs. It was a window

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into how our minds construct reality. What happens

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when that meaning -making software breaks down?

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It showed how fragile our sense of a coherent

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world actually is. We take perception for granted,

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but Dr. P's story showed the complex processes

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underneath. And like Awakenings, it had this

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crossover appeal, right? There was an opera.

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Yes. Michael Nyman adapted it into an opera in

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1986. Again, these stories just tapped into something

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fundamental about human experience. OK, moving

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forward a bit to 1995, an anthropologist on Mars.

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This feels like a shift, maybe looking at neurodiversity.

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I think that's exactly right. He was starting

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to explore difference, not just as deficit, but

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as a. Well, difference, the title piece is about

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Temple Grandin. The autistic professor and animal

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behavior expert. Right. And that essay won a

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Polk Award. In this book, Sachs really leaned

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into the idea that neurological conditions could

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be more than just impairments. What did he say

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in the preface? Something about latent powers.

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Yeah, he wrote that these conditions can play

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a paradoxical role by bringing out latent powers,

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developments, evolutions, forms of life that

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might never be seen in their absence. He was

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looking for the adaptations, the unique strengths.

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So with Temple Grandin, what did he see? He saw

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her description of feeling like an anthropologist

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on Mars, trying to understand neurotypical social

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cues, not just as a difficulty, but as a perspective.

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Her autistic mind, her visual thinking gave her

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incredible insights into animal behavior and

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systems that maybe a normal mind would miss entirely.

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He celebrated her unique way of being. Fascinating.

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Then in 1997, The Island of the Colorblind. This

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one seems different again, part travelogue, part

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science. It really is a blend. The first part

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is about this small island community in Micronesia

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where a high percentage of people have achomatopsia.

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Total colorblindness. Total colorblindness, plus

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often very poor vision and bright light. Sachs

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explores what their world is like, how they adapt.

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But the second part of the book, Psychat Island,

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that's where he makes this unexpected serious

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scientific contribution. That section focuses

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on Guam, right, and this devastating neurological

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disease. Yes, the Chamorro people of Guam had

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this incredibly high rate of a disease they called

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lyticobotic. It was this unique, awful mix of

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ALS, dementia, and Parkinson's symptoms. And

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scientists were baffled about the cause for decades.

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So Sacks the storyteller becomes Sacks the detective?

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Pretty much. He worked with other researchers,

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notably Paul Allen Cox, and they started piecing

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together an environmental explanation involving

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a toxin called BMAA. From the cycadnut, a traditional

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food. Exactly. But eating the nut directly wasn't

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the whole story. The key insight, the mechanism

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they proposed, was biomagnification. Okay, let's

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break that down for listeners. Biomagnification.

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Right. It means a toxin gets more and more concentrated

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as it moves up the food chain. So the cycad nut

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has some BMAA, but flying foxes' bats ate huge

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amounts of these nuts. Ah, so the toxin builds

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up in the bat. Massively. It gets concentrated

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in their tissues. And the Chamorro people traditionally

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ate these flying foxes. So they were getting

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a huge amplified dose of the toxin through the

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bats? That was the hypothesis. A much higher

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dose than just from the nuts alone, potentially

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explaining the high rates of lyticobotic. Sachs

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actually co -authored scientific papers on this.

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It shows his research went way beyond just collecting

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stories. Really demonstrates his scientific depth

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alongside the narrative skill. Okay, one more

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key book. Hallucinations from 2012. This was

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important because it tackled a really stigmatized

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topic. People hear hallucinations and immediately

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think madness. But Sachs argued it's much broader

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than that. Much broader. He pointed out they're

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actually quite common. linked to things lots

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of people experience. Sensory deprivation, high

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fevers, intoxication, certain illnesses, even

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just migraines or falling asleep. He wanted to

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normalize it in a way. Definitely. And he highlighted

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lesser known conditions like Charles Bonnet syndrome.

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What's that one? It affects people who've lost

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their sight, maybe through macular degeneration

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or glaucoma. They start having complex visual

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hallucinations, seeing patterns, faces, whole

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scenes, even though they know they're not real

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and they have no psychiatric illness. Sachs wanted

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to reassure people experiencing this that they

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weren't losing their minds. And throughout all

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these books, the constant thread is Sachs himself

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often becomes the subject. He had to, didn't

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he? His own life was full of neurological events,

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a leg to stand on back in 84. That was all about

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his recovery from a terrible mountaineering accident.

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In Norway. Where he badly injured his leg. Yes,

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and he experienced this profound disconnection

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from his own limb, problems with his body image.

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It was a deeply personal exploration of neurology.

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And later, his eyesight. In a Mind's Eye from

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2010, he wrote about losing depth perception,

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his stereoscopic vision, and then eventually

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losing sight in his right eye after treatment

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for eye cancer, a melanoma. So being both the

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doctor observing and the patient experiencing,

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that must have shaped everything. profoundly.

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It gave his empathy such authenticity. It wasn't

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just theoretical. He knew what it felt like when

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the brain went awry. It validated his whole narrative

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approach from the inside out. So we have this

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image of Sachs, the warm, curious, empathetic

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doctor in his writings. But the private man sounds

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like he was full of contradictions, very shy.

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Deeply shy. He called it a disease, something

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that really hampered him his whole life, especially

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in social interactions. And part of that shyness,

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maybe even a root cause, was linked to another

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neurological condition he had. Yes. Something

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he didn't fully realize the extent of until he

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was well into middle age. Prosopagnosia. Face

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blindness. Exactly. The inability to recognize

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familiar faces. Imagine trying to build relationships,

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network professionally, or even just navigate

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daily life when you might not recognize someone

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you met yesterday, or even a close colleague.

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That's staggering. To be this incredible observer

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of human minds, yet be unable to recognize human

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faces, how did that affect him? It must have

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been profoundly isolating. There's that famous

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story he tells about being in a waiting room,

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seeing this large bearded man, and almost bumping

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into him. He started to apologize. And then he

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realized the man was his own reflection in a

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mirror. He sometimes didn't recognize himself.

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Wow. That puts his observational skills in a

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new light, doesn't it? Maybe writing detailed

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narratives about people was his way of recognizing

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them, of making sense of them without relying

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on facial cues. That's a fascinating thought,

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turning people into stories as a compensation

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strategy. It certainly focuses you on other details,

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voice, mannerisms, the narrative itself. Despite

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the shyness and the internal focus, he kept up

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those intense physical pursuits we talked about

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earlier. Oh, yes. The drive for physical activity

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never really left him. The powerlifting might

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have faded, but he was a lifelong, passionate

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swimmer. Known for swimming in open water near

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the Bronx. Yeah, near City Island. Apparently

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swam in very cold water. Really pushed himself

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physically. It seems like it was always this

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necessary outlet for him, a way to balance the

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intense mental life. But his personal life, his

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romantic life. That remained very hidden for

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a long, long time. Extremely guarded. Sources

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say he was celibate for a huge stretch of his

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life, something like 35 years, from his mid -40s

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right up into his late 70s. Why so private? Was

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it the shyness? Or something else. Probably a

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combination of things. The shyness, the prosopagnosia,

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making intimacy difficult, perhaps societal attitudes

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at the time. He didn't publicly discuss his homosexuality

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until he was 81. That was in his 2015 autobiography,

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On the Move. Yes. He finally addressed it openly

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then. It was quite a revelation for many readers

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who only knew the public persona. And that...

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Late life openness coincided with him finding

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a partner. It did. From 2009 until he died in

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2015, he was in a committed relationship with

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the writer Bill Hayes. Hayes wrote about their

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time together. Yes, in a beautiful memoir called

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Insomniac City. It gives us a very touching glimpse

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into Sax's later years, showing a side of him

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that was finally able to embrace that kind of

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deep personal connection after a lifetime of

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keeping it at bay. So a kind of quiet resolution

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to that long struggle. And then his final illness

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came quite quickly. Relatively, yes. In January

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2015, they discovered that the ocular melanoma

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he'd had years before had metastasized to his

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liver. And he knew the prognosis was terminal.

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How did he approach that? With the same intellectual

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curiosity and, well, grace that he approached

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everything else, he wrote this incredibly moving

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op -ed for the New York Times announcing his

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illness. What was his message? He said he wasn't

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focused on fear, but on living the time he had

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left as richly and productively as possible.

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He wanted to deepen friendships, say his farewells,

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write more, travel if he could, and just gain

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new understanding. It was remarkable. A very

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Sachs approach to the end. Completely. He died

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later that year, August 2015, at age 82. He was

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so beloved by readers, by the general public.

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But you mentioned earlier not... Everyone in

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the medical or academic world was completely

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on board with his approach. That's right. He

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definitely had his critics, particularly within

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the more traditional medical establishment. What

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was their main issue? Mostly his methodology.

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They felt his work was too idiosyncratic, you

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know, too reliant on these individual detailed

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stories, anecdotes, essentially rather than large

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scale quantitative data from clinical trials.

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Not scientific enough in the modern sense. That

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was the argument. That it was interesting literature,

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maybe, but not rigorous science. And there was

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also criticism from the disability studies community.

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That sounds like a different angle. It was. And

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in some ways, a sharper critique of the narrative

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style itself. Some activists and academics felt

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that by focusing on these often quite extraordinary,

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even bizarre cases. Like the man mistaking his

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wife for a hat. Exactly. They argued he risked

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romanticizing or aestheticizing disability. Turning

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patients into fascinating literary characters.

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Maybe instead of focusing on the everyday struggles,

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the societal barriers, the systemic discrimination

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faced by people with disabilities. There was

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that very pointed phrase someone used. Tom Shakespeare,

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the British sociologist and disability rights

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activist. He called Sachs the man who mistook

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his patience for a literary career. Oof, that's

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harsh. It implies exploitation. It does. It perfectly

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captures that criticism that the narrative became

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more important than the patient or the broader

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issues. Sachs was aware of this, of course. How

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did he respond? He addressed it directly. He

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said he hoped his work always showed respect

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and appreciation, not any desire to just expose

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or exhibit for the thrill. He acknowledged it

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was a delicate business. writing about people's

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vulnerabilities. His stated aim was always empathy,

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understanding, illumination, not spectacle. He

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believed you needed the deep narrative to truly

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grasp the condition and the person's life. And

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despite those debates, the institutional recognition

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he received was pretty significant. It suggests

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many people did see the value in his bridging

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role. Oh, absolutely. He got the Lewis Thomas

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Prize we mentioned for science writing. He was

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made a CBE, Commander of the Order of the British

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Empire, in 2008. And that position at Columbia

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University. Right. In 2007, they created the

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Post of Columbia Artists. Specifically for him,

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that title itself speaks volumes, recognizing

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his unique role connecting arts and sciences,

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medicine, and literature. You can't get much

00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:09.450
more establishment recognition than having a

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minor planet named after you. Chuckles. True.

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84928 Oliver Sacks, discovered back in 2003.

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That's quite something. His appeal really was

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astronomical, you could say. And his legacy continues

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to unfold. Even after his death, he set up a

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foundation. The Oliver Sacks Foundation. Yeah.

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Dedicated to promoting the understanding of the

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brain through narrative nonfiction, continuing

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his mission. And his personal output was just

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immense. He was famous for being a prolific letter

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writer. Handwritten letters only, right? No email.

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Never used email. And a collection of those letters

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just came out in 2024. Gives even more insight

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into his thinking, his connections. And then

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there's the archive. That sounds huge. It is.

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The New York Public Library acquired it in 2024.

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We're talking 35 ,000 letters, thousands of photos,

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manuscripts, notebooks, journals. It's an incredible

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resource. Scholars will be mining that for decades.

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So his work continues through the foundation,

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the archive, and posthumous books, too. Yes,

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like River of Consciousness, in 2017, it was

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a collection of essays he'd already organized

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before he died. His commitment to exploring and

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writing was just relentless, right to the end.

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So when you boil it all down, Sachs' career...

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Really was this unique fusion, wasn't it? Completely.

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You had the clinical rigor. He was a respected

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neurologist, a fellow of the Royal College of

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Physicians. But you fuse that with this incredible

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narrative, empathy, the eye of a naturalist,

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the sensibility of a writer. He basically created

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his own genre. He did. And through it, he showed

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us something profound about the brain. That even

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when it's damaged or working differently, it's

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incredibly adaptable. It's always striving, always

00:27:46.529 --> 00:27:48.970
trying to make sense of the world, always plastic.

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He showed us the humanity inside the neurology.

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He captured what it felt like, what it meant

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to be conscious, to be a person facing these

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extraordinary neurological challenges. That farewell

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message he wrote. Above all, I have been a sentient

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being. A thinking animal on this beautiful planet.

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And that in itself has been an enormous privilege

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and adventure. He took his own adventure, his

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own observations, and shared the inner life of

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the mind in a way nobody else really had. A man

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of contradictions, as his obituary noted. Candid,

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yet guarded. Intensely solitary, but also deeply

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connected to his patient's stories. And we've

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seen how his own experiences, the childhood trauma,

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the face blindness, the leg injury, weren't just

00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.759
background noise. They actively shaped his empathy,

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didn't they? Absolutely. They gave him a unique

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lens. He wasn't just observing difference. He

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understood it from the inside, in a way. Which

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brings us to a final thought for you listening.

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Sachs demonstrated how understanding his own

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quirks, his own neurological landscape, gave

00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:47.759
him profound insight into others. Right. So the

00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:50.599
question becomes, how might embracing your own

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internal landscape, your own unique ways of thinking,

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your strengths, maybe even your perceived weaknesses

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or quirks, how might that actually lead you to

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deeper, more original insights about the world

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around you? Could your own different way of seeing

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things be a source of unique understanding, just

00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:09.880
as Sachs turned his challenges into a remarkable

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way of illuminating the human condition for all

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of us? It's definitely something to reflect on.

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A provocative thought indeed. Thank you for joining

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us for this deep dive into the rich, complex

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life and work of Oliver Sachs.
