Welcome to the Deep Dive. We sift through, well,
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And today, wow, we are diving deep into Sandra
Bernhard, an immense career and, let's be honest,
famously controversial actress, comedian, singer,
author. She's done it all across, what, five
decades now? Pretty much, yeah. And she's worked
across basically every platform you can think
of. So our source material today, it covers this
huge range. It's not just the stand -up, which
she's obviously known for. We're looking at her
acting work, which is really varied, her singing,
her books. It's a lot. It really is. She's this
artist whose main tool seems to be the completely
unfiltered word, right? Right. And she operates
in this interesting space kind of between high
art. pop culture and some pretty aggressive satire.
It's a mix that you don't see very often. So
our mission today, it feels kind of complex.
We want to unpack this paradox, I guess. How
did Sandra Bernhardt go from being this? stand
-up comic, you know, making her name by tearing
down celebrity culture to becoming this multi
-platform artist. Someone who brings together
performance art, music, serious acting roles.
And the key seems to be she's always pushing
boundaries. Always. Yeah. Which, naturally, leads
to some pretty spectacular clashes with the mainstream.
Definitely. And, you know, if you need just one
example of that incredible range, think about
this arc. Way back, 1983, she wins the National
Society of Film Critics Award for Best Supporting
Actress. a really prestigious award. To the king
of comedy, right, Scorsese. Yeah. Intense dramatic
role. Exactly. Fast forward decades later, and
she's playing Nurse Judy Kubrick in Pose, you
know, this landmark show about queer and trans
ball culture. In such different worlds. Totally.
And it keeps going. She's got a role coming up,
Nurse Cecily, in the new season of Severance
on Apple TV plus Zara. That's huge. That show's
highly anticipated. So that ability to not just
survive, but thrive in such different spaces.
That's really what we need to dig into today.
OK, so let's start at the beginning. Where did
this famously sharp point of view come from?
Sandra Bernhard, born June 6, 1955, Flint, Michigan.
Flint, Michigan. Yeah. And her background, it
sounds pretty traditional on the surface. Her
dad, Jerome Bernhard, was a proctologist. Right.
And her mom, Jeanette Lezebnik, an artist. And
she was raised conservative Jewish. And those
details, you know. For a comedian whose work
is so much about social commentary, they matter.
You've got that industrial Midwest start, but
then a really big change. The family moves to
Scottsdale, Arizona. She's 10. Scottsdale, that's
a huge shift. Flint to Scottsdale. Yeah, she
graduates high school there in 73. You have to
think that contrast. you know, industrial Midwest
to the kind of sprawling, often wealthy, maybe
more conservative Southwest. That must have given
her a lot of material later on for her observational
stuff. Oh, absolutely. Being an outsider in that
kind of sun drenched Pacific environment. Yeah.
And then right after high school, she does something
even more unexpected. Our sources talk about
this detour. She goes abroad to Israel. In 1973.
Yeah, 1973. And she stays for seven months. Lives
on a kibbutz, kibbutz kefar manahem. So this
wasn't just a quick trip. It was real immersion,
communal living. And the sources also mentioned
she went back later during the Yom Kippur War.
That's right. Which is, wow. Talk about intense
life experience right out of high school. Exactly.
You contrast that kind of life or death international
reality with, you know. The suburban bubble of
Scottsdale she just left. It gives you a whole
different lens to look at Hollywood celebrity
culture through, which she starts taking aim
at later. It totally connects to that intensity
you see in her work. So she comes back to the
U .S., skips college, basically. Right. And makes
her way to L .A. And she starts making a name
for herself at the comedy store in Hollywood.
This is the late 70s. The legendary comedy store.
The Crucible, yeah. And she gets established
pretty quickly, which leads to this huge early
break in 1977. She gets cast as a supporting
player on The Richard Pryor Show. Working with
Richard Pryor. Right. Right off the bat. I know.
Incredible. That gave her serious, like, serious
industry cred immediately. But, okay, here's
where it gets really, really interesting. Because
she's on this stand -up path, but then takes
this massive left turn into drama. The Scorsese
breakthrough. Yeah, it's a huge risk, right?
For a young comic trying to break through, to
take a role that's so far from comedy. Martin
Scorsese casts her in The King of Comedy, 1983.
And the role itself, Masha. Yeah, the stalker.
The stalker slash kidnapper, yeah. Obsessed with
Jerry Lewis's character. And she's just... magnetic
in it. Yeah. Disturbing, captivating. It's like
she channeled all that outsider energy into this
character who's like a terrifying reflection
of the celebrity obsession she'd later satirized.
It wasn't just a bit part. It was a major role.
And the industry noticed immediately. The critical
acclaim wasn't just polite nods. It was huge.
She won the National Society of Film Critics
Award for Best Supporting Actress 1983. She won
it. Not just nominate. We want it. And you have
to understand that award. It signaled she wasn't
just a funny comic. She was a serious, dramatic
actor capable of real darkness, real intensity.
So that basically gave her the authority, the
artistic license to start blending genres later
on, didn't it? In a way, a few others could.
Exactly. Winning that major award for a dramatic
film role while still honing her comedy chops,
it totally changed everything for her. Gave her
this platform, this freedom to experiment. And
she became unavoidable on late night TV, which
was, I mean, absolutely essential for comedians
back then. Oh, yeah. Our sources highlight just
how ubiquitous she was. 28 appearances on Late
Night with David Letterman starting right there
in 1983. Letterman's show. That seems like the
perfect fit for her, right? Intelligent, kind
of cynical. Absolutely. It was the ideal incubator
for that sharp, acerbic personality she was developing.
But it sounds like the standard five -minute
stand -up slot wasn't really enough for what
she wanted to do. No, not at all. Her comedy
was always more theatrical, you know? It was
cultural critique mixed with personal stories,
musical numbers. It needed more space. Right.
It needed a bigger stage, literally, which led
her to develop these one -woman shows. That evolution
starts with her first show, I'm Your Woman, that
was 1985, and it got released as an album later.
But the real breakthrough, the one that really
cemented her as a performance artist, was Without
You, I'm Nothing. With You, I'm Not Much Better.
That title alone. I know, right? It debuted off
-Broadway in 1988, played at the Orpheum Theatre.
Big deal. And what made that show different?
What was the structure like? Well, that's what
really set her apart. It wasn't just jokes, joke,
joke. It was this whole experience. You get these
blistering, satirical monologues tearing down
celebrity culture. And then suddenly these incredibly
raw personal confessional moments. And she used
music, classic pop, jazz, blues covers to kind
of bridge those different moods. Just like emotional
whiplash. Totally. One minute she's eviscerating
someone famous. The next she's doing this heartbreaking
Nina Simone cover. That became her signature
style. art, you know, not just a comedy set.
And she was smart about getting it out there,
wasn't she? She didn't just let it live on stage.
Very smart. She immediately understood how to
translate that live experience. By 1990, without
you, nothing was adapted into a film. Oh yeah,
the sources mentioned it was shot mostly at the
Coconut Grove nightclub, at the old Ambassador
Hotel. Very atmospheric. Exactly. And at the
same time, she releases it as a double album
in 1989. Wow. Film and a double album. Yeah,
she was thinking multi -platform way before that
was common. Like a producer as much as a performer.
Documenting her work, reaching different audiences.
And it worked. It got major recognition. She
got a Grammy nomination. Best comedy album, 1990.
For without you, I'm nothing. So even though
what she was doing was way more complex than
typical stand -up, she was still competing alongside
the... biggest names in comedy. It was huge validation.
It seems like the stage remained her like creative
home base, though. Definitely. That's where she
had total control, where she could blend everything,
the comedy, the music, the commentary. She went
back to Broadway in 98 with I'm Still Here. Damn
it. Another great title. And that got recorded
for a live album, too. Apparently she was actually
pregnant during the Broadway run, which is just.
Incredible. And she kept creating these shows,
Everything Bad and Beautiful in 2006. That got
a really well -received CD release, too. And
Plan B from Outer Space in 2007. The live show
is always the anchor for her. Okay, so she's
got this film award, these acclaimed stage shows.
She's built up serious artistic authority. And
that really sets the stage for her becoming this
major force in pop culture in the late 80s, early
90s. Yeah, and you really can't talk about that
period without... talking about Madonna. The
Madonna connection. Yeah. It was huge. It was
a time when, I mean, the lines between art, publicity,
friendship, rumored romance, they were just completely
blurred. And Bernhard was right in the middle
of it all. The sources call her Madonna's then
good friend, but also mention the rumored lover
aspect. It wasn't exactly kept private, was it?
Not at all. It felt very much like spectacle.
Deliberately so. And the peak of that spectacle
was probably that Letterman appearance in 1988.
Oh, my God. Legendary. The two of them on late
night doing this kind of staged, really sexy
confrontation, openly hinting at this intense,
possibly romantic thing between them. On network
TV in 1988. Exactly. You have to remember the
context. That kind of openly queer coded interaction
between two huge female celebrities. It was shocking.
It generated so much press. constant headlines.
And their friendship seemed pretty documented
for a while after that, too, right? Bernhard
was in Madonna's Truth or Dare documentary in
91. She was, which sort of cemented her place
in that elite celebrity circle. But then the
sources say the friendship just ended pretty
definitively in 1992. Yeah, it seemed to burn
bright and fast. But the cultural impact of that
whole period, that very public pairing. It really
vaulted Bernhard to a whole new level of mainstream
visibility. And maybe that visibility, that ability
to generate buzz, even controversial buzz, helped
open the door for her next big move, network
television. Absolutely. It leads directly into
her joining the cast of Roseanne, which was,
I mean, one of the biggest shows on TV at the
time. Huge hit sitcom on ABC. And she comes in
during the fourth season, 1991, playing Nancy
Bartlett. She stayed for quite a while, 33 episodes
through 97. And that role Nancy Bartlett. It's
actually really significant in TV history. We
kind of forget how big a deal it was. How so?
Well, this is the early 90s. LGBTQ plus representation
on TV is still really fraught, politically charged.
And Nancy Bartlett becomes one of the first openly
bisexual recurring characters on American network
television. On a show like Roseanne. A mainstream
working class family sitcom. Exactly. That was
radical back then. Bringing an openly bisexual
character into millions of living rooms every
week on that kind of show. It was a major act
of visibility and normalization, really. So even
with her edgy standup persona, she was using
this mainstream platform to push social boundaries.
Yeah, she was working on multiple levels and
she never just did one thing, did she? While
she's on Roseanne, she's also hosting this quirky
movie show on USA Network, Real Wild Cinema.
That was for Tuesday. on starting in 95. Oh,
I remember that. And then in 92, September 92,
she does the Playboy pictorial. Nude. Right.
Leaning right into the provocative image. So
you've got the serious acting, the boundary pushing
TV role, and the shock value stuff all happening
around the same time. She really defies easy
categorization. Totally. And speaking of different
paths. We have to talk about the role that got
away, the big what if. She apparently was offered
Miranda Hobbs on Sex and the City. No way, Miranda.
Yeah. It's impossible to picture anyone but Cynthia
Nixon. I know. But according to Bernhardt herself,
she got the offer, and she turned it down. Why?
Two reasons, based on the sources. She thought
the original script she saw was, quote, terrible,
and the paycheck was too small. Wow. turning
down what became Sex and the City because the
script wasn't good enough and the pay was low.
It tells you a lot, doesn't it? Even facing this
potentially massive, career -changing mainstream
hit, her priorities were, like, artistic integrity
and knowing her worth. She was willing to walk
away. That takes guts. Or at least a very strong
sense of self. Yeah. That willingness to filter
everything through her own lens, even if it's
risky, that seems pretty central to the whole
Fanda Bernhardt story. Okay, so most people know
Bernhardt the comedian. Maybe they know Bernhard,
the actress, or the controversial figure. But
one part of her career that often surprises people
is just how extensive her music career is. It
really is. She's not just someone who sings a
bit in her shows. She performs classic pop, jazz,
blues, and really integrates it deeply into her
stage work. And the sheer volume of recorded
work is impressive. The sources list, what, 15
albums and EPs that combine music and comedy.
Yeah, it's a substantial discography. And some
of it actually charted, which people might not
realize. Excuses for Bad Behavior Part 1 hit
number 40 on the Billboard Heat Seekers chart.
Okay. And I love being mean, don't you? Yeah.
Another great title reached number 9 on the Billboard
Comedy Chart. So crossing genres even on the
charts. Let's think about the music itself. Often
she's interpreting standards, right? jazz blues
classics that requires real vocal chops real
emotional depth it does and it creates this fascinating
contrast doesn't it she can deliver this blistering
political satire just shredding someone and then
pivot on a dime to sing this really heartfelt
vulnerable standard it's like she uses the music
to disarm you to show vulnerability right before
she goes back in for the kill with the commentary
it keeps the audience off balance totally And
what's even more surprising maybe is her success
in a completely different musical arena, dance
music. Dance music. Seriously. Seriously. She
actually scored significant hits on the U .S.
Billboard Hot Dance Club play chart. Her cover
of Sylvester's You Make Me Feel, Mighty Real.
The classic. Went to number 13 on the dance chart
and another single. On the runway, hit number
39. That's incredible. So, acclaimed dramatic
actress, groundbreaking comedian, and a charting
dance diva. It just shows how much she refuses
to be put in a box. And she even did a Hanukkah
song. Yeah. Co -wrote and performed a song called
Miracle of Lights for a holiday compilation album.
Like you said, incredible versatility. She can
connect with audiences through almost any genre,
which feeds back into those really diverse live
shows. And all that performance experience across...
Comedy, music, theater. Yeah. It seems like it's
really informed her more recent dramatic work,
too. Absolutely. It feels like a perfect training
ground. Look at her role on Pose. That's such
a great example of her staying relevant and deeply
connected to queer culture. She played Nurse
Judy Kubrick from 2018 to 2021, right? 13 episodes.
Yeah, in the series, that was just so important,
focusing on the ball scene in New York during
the AIDS crisis. And Nurse Judy, she was kind
of the compassionate caregiver, the advocate,
wasn't she? Provided this granding, dramatic
weight against all the fabulousness and the tragedy.
Exactly. It felt like resonant casting. You know,
not just stunt casting. It connected back to
her own history of LGBTQ plus advocacy, her identity
as a bisexual artist. Just fit. And she's get
busy with other high profile dramatic roles,
too. You mentioned Severance coming up. Right.
Nurse Cecily in 2025. Right. And before that,
she did six episodes of American Horror Story,
NYC in 2022. So staying very active in major
TV projects. And she pops up in recurring comedy
roles, too, like Joe Deaf or Joe on Two Broke
Girls. And Professor Teresa Ladarski on Switched
at Birth, she even played herself on Will & Grace.
It's like she never stops working, always finding
ways to use different parts of her talent. Okay,
now we need to shift gears a bit and address
the... Well, the controversies. Her persona is
built on being unfiltered, right? No. But that
approach has definitely led to some serious public
friction over the years. Yeah, this section needs
careful handling. We're looking at the source
material, reporting on these incidents and the
rhetoric used, but, you know, without endorsing
any of it. It's about understanding how she's
managed this incredibly provocative public career.
Exactly. It's about examining where the line
is or maybe where different people draw the line
between satire, provocation, and... Something
else. So let's look at some specific examples
documented in the sources. One of the earliest
and maybe most shocking physically was back in
1995 on Politically Incorrect. Oh, yeah. The
Comedy Central show. She was on a panel with
John Lofton, a conservative commentator, and
things got heated, like really heated. Sources
describe her actually getting up, standing over
him, spitting at him and then saying, and this
quote is documented, if I had you, you'd be an
abortion. Wow. The physicality, the spitting,
plus that line, it went way beyond political
disagreement. It became this huge media thing
about, you know, what's acceptable public behavior.
Definitely. Then jump forward to 2006. There's
a controversy involving a commercial she did
for Emac Cosmetics. Emac C. makeup art cosmetics.
This one is interesting because it shows the
clash between her unfiltered style and corporate
branding. She was promoting a lip gloss, I think.
And what did she say? Well, in the ad, she apparently
targeted potential critics of her lifestyle or
views. The documented quote describes them as
a little freaked out, intimidated, frightened,
right -wing Republican thin -lipped bitch. Oof.
Okay. An Amex reaction. They edited the line
out of the commercial, completely cut it, which
tells you even a brand that maybe wanted some
of her edgy appeal felt that crossed a line.
Too inflammatory risked alienating too many customers.
So there are commercial limits to the provocation.
Seems so, but the rhetoric definitely escalated
again in 2008. This time aimed at Sarah Palin,
who was running for vice president. Oh, I remember
this one. This got massive coverage, didn't it?
And a lot of outrage. Huge. The sources detail
Bernhard making this public statement where she
warned Palin. She said Palin would be, quote,
gang raped by her big black brothers if she visited
Manhattan. And this was directly tied to a planned
campaign stop Palin had in New York City. Yes.
The explicitness of the violence threatened the
racial element. It was incredibly charged. It
marked one of the most intense flashpoints in
her career, really highlighting the risks of
that completely unfiltered approach to political
commentary. It's extreme language. Extremely.
Yeah. And finally, there's an incident that shows
how these things don't just disappear. In 2020,
Naomi Campbell brought up comments Bernhardt
had made years earlier. Naomi Campbell, what
was the context? Campbell was interviewing Mariah
Carey, and she specifically called out Bernhardt
for comments made back in her 1998 comedy show,
I'm Still Here. About Mariah Carey. About Carey's
black ancestry, yeah. Campbell cited Bernhard's
disparaging remarks, and we have to include the
specific quote documented from Bernhard's show.
She referred to Carrie, quote, acting real niggerish
there at the Royalton Hotel suite with Puff Daddy
and all the greasy, chain -wearing black men.
Wow. Using that word. Yeah. And having someone
like Naomi Campbell bring that up publicly over
20 years later, it just shows that these kinds
of racially charged, controversial statements,
they have a long shelf life. They stick. It ensures
that part of her legacy, the controversial side,
remains very much a live issue. So despite all
the controversies, or maybe in some ways connected
to her willingness to challenge norms, her work
has undeniably been important for LGBTQ plus
visibility. Oh, absolutely. Bernhard openly identifies
as bisexual, and she's been a really strong,
consistent supporter of LGBTQ rights and activism
throughout her career. And that commitment was
recognized formally, wasn't it? She received
an award from Gialatti. Yeah. In 2002, the Gilead
Media Davidson Valentini Award. It's given specifically
to an openly LGBTQ person in the media who's
made a real difference in promoting equality
and acceptance. So her identity, her art, her
activism, they seem completely intertwined. And
her personal life, her family structure also
seems to reflect a kind of nontraditional path,
maybe. Well, she has a daughter, Cicely, born
July 4th, 1998. Right. And the sources are clear
that she raised Cicely with her long -term partner,
Sarah Switzer. They've been together since 1999.
So over 20 years. That's a long, committed relationship.
It is. A very stable family life, it seems, alongside
this incredibly public, often tumultuous career,
which is another one of those interesting Bernhard
paradoxes. And before Sarah Switzer, she was
in a relationship with Patricia Velasquez, the
Venezuelan actress. That's noted, too. Yes. And
besides the state. and screen she's also an author
she's written books ensuring she gets to tell
her own story in her own words right she has
three books out there the first was an autobiography
confessions of a pretty lady back in 1989 right
when her fame was really exploding okay then
an essay collection love love and love came out
in 1993 and later in 1999 sort of semi -autobiography
called may i kiss you on the lips miss sandra
so there is comedy music film print She's always
been focused on crafting and controlling her
own narrative, hasn't she? Leaving you in no
doubt about her perspective. Hashtag, hashtag
outro. Okay, so wrapping this all up, synthesizing
everything we've looked at today. Syringa Bernhardt
emerges as this artist who is just fundamentally
defined by her willingness to provoke. Right.
Yeah, I think that's fair. And that willingness,
that edge, it's allowed her to stay relevant
somehow across five decades, which is remarkable
in itself. It really is. And it seems like her
biggest successes often come when she manages
to blend that satirical edge, that unfiltered
commentary with her actual dramatic or musical
talent, whether it's on stage in the 80s or on
a prestige TV show now. I think what really stands
out looking at all this source material isn't
just the sheer amount of work, but her adaptability.
She pivots. She changes platforms. Somehow, she
never really softens that core identity. You
think about the journey, the intense drama of
King of Comedy, then the raw, boundary -breaking
humor of those one -woman shows, the Grammy nomination,
and then landing these really significant, resonant
roles in shows like Pose, reflecting modern queer
culture. The constant thread through all of it
is that voice. Unwavering. Unapologetic. no matter
the medium. It really makes you think about her
overall contribution. We talked about how important
Nancy on Roseanne was for bisexual visibility
on TV back then. We know about the music, the
dance hits, the standards, the books, the comedy
specials. It's an incredibly diverse portfolio.
So here's maybe a final thought for you, the
listener, to chew on. We've seen this huge range.
Author, actress, singer, comedian. Does that
prove she successfully avoided being pigeonholed
her whole career? Yeah. That she really is all
those things equally? Or does the sheer intensity,
the undeniable notoriety of her public persona
and those controversies, does that ultimately
define her legacy more powerfully than the actual
breadth and diversity of her artistic work? It's
a tough question.