WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.580 Welcome to the Deep Dive. Today we're focusing 00:00:02.580 --> 00:00:05.620 our analytical lens on someone who, well, really 00:00:05.620 --> 00:00:09.300 defies easy categorization, a true titan of American 00:00:09.300 --> 00:00:12.240 entertainment, William Edward Crystal. Yeah, 00:00:12.259 --> 00:00:13.779 when you actually look at the source material, 00:00:13.980 --> 00:00:18.100 his whole career path is almost unbelievable. 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.579 He's not just a hugely successful stand -up comic. 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:24.120 Right. He's also a groundbreaking TV star, sometimes 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:26.980 controversial. He's the leading man who... kind 00:00:26.980 --> 00:00:29.620 of define the modern rom -com. Absolutely. A 00:00:29.620 --> 00:00:31.820 nine -time Academy Awards host who basically 00:00:31.820 --> 00:00:34.799 reinvented that job. A Tony Award -winning Broadway 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.600 writer and performer, and somehow also a part 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:39.140 -runner of a Major League Baseball team. It's 00:00:39.140 --> 00:00:41.560 wild. It really is an absurdly successful resume, 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:43.520 isn't it? Spanning, what, every major medium 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:46.520 for over five decades now? Exactly. And our sources 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:48.240 today, they give us this really comprehensive 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:51.460 map of this varied life. We can trace his path 00:00:51.460 --> 00:00:54.380 from his incredibly rich New York roots. You 00:00:54.380 --> 00:00:56.200 mean rhythmically rich? Literally surrounded 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:58.820 by jazz legends. Yes, precisely. All the way 00:00:58.820 --> 00:01:00.780 through to his recent critically acclaimed work 00:01:00.780 --> 00:01:03.659 on Broadway and his deep personal passions like 00:01:03.659 --> 00:01:07.299 baseball. Okay, so our mission today then is 00:01:07.299 --> 00:01:10.200 to unpack the defining phases of Crystal's career. 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:13.019 We want to move beyond just the highlights and 00:01:13.019 --> 00:01:14.959 really drill down into the connections. Right. 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:16.840 We want to pull out the key projects, obviously, 00:01:16.980 --> 00:01:19.260 but maybe more importantly, find those surprising 00:01:19.260 --> 00:01:22.459 threads, the unique accolades that truly showcase 00:01:22.459 --> 00:01:25.659 his incredible versatility. And his influence, 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:28.099 right. His enduring influence on comedy and, 00:01:28.219 --> 00:01:31.420 frankly, how we consume culture. Yeah. I think 00:01:31.420 --> 00:01:33.400 the big insight we're maybe chasing is how one 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:37.219 performer managed to master that. chaotic, you 00:01:37.219 --> 00:01:40.120 know, high -pressure world of live comedy and 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:42.340 hosting. Which is terrifying just to think about. 00:01:42.500 --> 00:01:44.620 Totally. But then translate that same kind of 00:01:44.620 --> 00:01:47.700 precision into really tender, character -driven, 00:01:47.700 --> 00:01:50.739 dramatic work, both on film and on stage. Okay, 00:01:50.780 --> 00:01:52.560 let's do it. Let's unpack this journey starting 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.200 right where it began, the foundations of his 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.760 humor and those extraordinary New York roots. 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.239 So Billy Crystal was born in Manhattan in 1948, 00:02:00.620 --> 00:02:02.879 but he spent his earliest years up in the Bronx 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:04.859 before the family moved out to Long Beach, New 00:02:04.859 --> 00:02:07.010 York on Long Island. And this wasn't just like 00:02:07.010 --> 00:02:10.090 a standard suburban upbringing. Not at all. It 00:02:10.090 --> 00:02:13.069 was steeped in rhythm, timing, and professional 00:02:13.069 --> 00:02:16.189 performance right from the start. His family 00:02:16.189 --> 00:02:18.810 environment was just packed with artistic influence. 00:02:19.129 --> 00:02:21.669 His father, Jack Crystal, he owned the Commodore 00:02:21.669 --> 00:02:24.090 Music Store in New York. That's right. And he 00:02:24.090 --> 00:02:26.090 wasn't just a store owner. He was a well -known 00:02:26.090 --> 00:02:29.729 jazz promoter, a producer, and executive for 00:02:29.729 --> 00:02:32.500 the label Commodore Records. And Commodore Records 00:02:32.500 --> 00:02:35.460 itself was founded by Billy's uncle, Milt Gabler. 00:02:35.659 --> 00:02:37.659 Yeah, Milt Gabler. I mean, this guy was a giant 00:02:37.659 --> 00:02:40.060 in 20th century music. He was running the label, 00:02:40.180 --> 00:02:43.300 producing, signing artists. And crucially, he 00:02:43.300 --> 00:02:45.979 was kind of an early bridge between the jazz 00:02:45.979 --> 00:02:49.039 and pop worlds. This family was right at the 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:51.800 center of American music. So for young Billy, 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.159 jazz wasn't just background music. It was literally 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:56.439 the soundtrack of their daily lives. Exactly. 00:02:56.580 --> 00:02:59.500 The sources mentioned that legendary jazz artists 00:02:59.500 --> 00:03:01.969 like Medullio, the real... innovators, Billie 00:03:01.969 --> 00:03:04.289 Holiday, Pee Wee Russell, Eddie Condon, they 00:03:04.289 --> 00:03:06.650 were regular guests in the crystal home. Wow. 00:03:06.849 --> 00:03:09.250 Not just stopping by, but hanging out with the 00:03:09.250 --> 00:03:12.590 kids. Apparently so. And Billie and his old brothers, 00:03:12.729 --> 00:03:14.909 Joel and Richard, they would entertain the family, 00:03:15.050 --> 00:03:18.030 and often these famous guests, by doing comedy 00:03:18.030 --> 00:03:20.530 routines. Not just telling jokes, though. No, 00:03:20.590 --> 00:03:22.889 they were actually reprising material they learned 00:03:22.889 --> 00:03:26.480 off records their dad brought home. Specifically, 00:03:26.480 --> 00:03:29.719 routines by really technical, observational guys 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:32.639 like Bob Newhart and the sketch master, Sid Caesar. 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:35.159 Okay, that's a crucial detail. It wasn't just 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:36.979 about being funny. It was about performance, 00:03:37.259 --> 00:03:40.840 mimicry, timing, understanding the rhythm of 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:43.039 a joke, almost like a jazz solo. You can see 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:45.300 the connection right there. Jazz timing, comedic 00:03:45.300 --> 00:03:47.900 timing. It's rooted right there in his Long Island 00:03:47.900 --> 00:03:51.120 childhood. But then tragedy strikes this. This 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.879 creative world. Yeah, it really did. The sources 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:57.639 say that in 1963, his father, Jack, lost the 00:03:57.639 --> 00:03:59.960 Commodore Music Store business. It was kind of 00:03:59.960 --> 00:04:01.960 a double whammy. Dixieland jazz was declining 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.360 in popularity. And these big discount record 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.300 stores were popping up that he just couldn't 00:04:06.300 --> 00:04:08.360 compete with. And then the personal loss followed 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.020 so quickly. Incredibly quickly. Later that same 00:04:11.020 --> 00:04:13.900 year, 1963, Jack Crystal died of a heart attack. 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:17.019 He was only 54. Billy was just 15. That's just 00:04:17.019 --> 00:04:20.120 foundational. A moment that clearly shapes everything 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.540 that follows emotionally. Absolutely. And that 00:04:22.540 --> 00:04:25.680 loss, that sense of a world just changing overnight 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.720 became the central emotional core he explored 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:31.959 decades later on Broadway in 700 Sundays. Those 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.240 700 Sundays he had with his dad, it speaks volumes. 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:37.660 It really does. Okay, moving on to his education. 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:40.920 Here's where we hit one of the most, like, surprising 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.389 twists in his story. After high school in 65, 00:04:44.790 --> 00:04:47.209 he goes to Marshall University in West Virginia 00:04:47.209 --> 00:04:50.129 on a baseball scholarship. Yep. Sounds like the 00:04:50.129 --> 00:04:52.009 setup for a classic sports movie, right? Totally. 00:04:52.069 --> 00:04:56.449 But then. But then, the twist. Pure crystal irony 00:04:56.449 --> 00:04:59.129 kicks in. He never actually played baseball for 00:04:59.129 --> 00:05:01.250 Marshall. Why not? Because the entire program 00:05:01.250 --> 00:05:04.129 was suspended during his first year there. He 00:05:04.129 --> 00:05:05.949 goes all the way to West Virginia for this dream, 00:05:06.089 --> 00:05:09.069 and poof, it's gone. Wow. The universe just kind 00:05:09.069 --> 00:05:10.970 of nudged him back towards performance, didn't 00:05:10.970 --> 00:05:13.800 it? Seems like it. He decided not to go back 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:16.639 for his sophomore year. Stayed in New York, partly 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:19.060 to be closer to his future wife, Janice Goldfinger. 00:05:19.420 --> 00:05:21.779 That relationship really grounded his choices 00:05:21.779 --> 00:05:25.680 early on. So he pivots. Hard. Big pivot. Starts 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.540 studying acting at HB Studio, then goes to Nassau 00:05:28.540 --> 00:05:31.439 Community College, and finally transfers to NYU 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:34.490 New York University. And there, he focuses on 00:05:34.490 --> 00:05:37.129 film and television directing. He gets his Bachelor 00:05:37.129 --> 00:05:40.930 of Fine Arts from NYU in 1970. And here's that 00:05:40.930 --> 00:05:43.410 incredible networking nugget, his instructor 00:05:43.410 --> 00:05:46.279 in the program. Yeah, get this. was Martin Scorsese. 00:05:46.339 --> 00:05:49.220 Martin Scorsese. Can you even imagine getting 00:05:49.220 --> 00:05:52.540 notes on your student film from Marty Scorsese? 00:05:52.779 --> 00:05:55.360 It's mind -blowing. And not only that, the sources 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:58.459 confirm his classmates in that same program included 00:05:58.459 --> 00:06:01.540 Oliver Stone. Wow. And Christopher Guest. That's 00:06:01.540 --> 00:06:04.079 just an insane graduating class. Three future 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.879 major filmmakers and a comedy superstar who'd 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.279 all shaped movies and TV for decades. The creative 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:12.600 energy in that NYU program must have been off 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.139 the charts. Yes, I think so. So after graduation, 00:06:15.420 --> 00:06:17.500 Crystal spends these crucial four years kind 00:06:17.500 --> 00:06:20.019 of grinding it out, right? In comedy improv. 00:06:20.220 --> 00:06:21.779 Yeah, with two friends. They were performing 00:06:21.779 --> 00:06:24.519 at colleges, coffee houses. And during the day, 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:26.720 he was working as a substitute teacher back on 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:28.759 Long Island just to pay the bills. That's the 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:31.120 part people forget, the hustle phase. Exactly. 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:34.240 But it paid off. He eventually went solo, really 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.319 committed to the stand -up circuit, playing the 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:38.220 famous clubs like The Improv, Catch a Rising 00:06:38.220 --> 00:06:40.540 Star. And his visibility really starts to pop 00:06:40.540 --> 00:06:43.470 around 76. Yeah, big time. He makes his debut 00:06:43.470 --> 00:06:45.470 on The Tonight Show starring Johnny Carson, which 00:06:45.470 --> 00:06:47.930 was huge then. Gets a guest spot on All in the 00:06:47.930 --> 00:06:50.670 Family. And then later that same year comes this 00:06:50.670 --> 00:06:52.949 really pivotal moment that kind of cements his 00:06:52.949 --> 00:06:55.550 skills for the industry. The Dean Martin celebrity 00:06:55.550 --> 00:06:58.509 roast of Muhammad Alou. That roast appearance 00:06:58.509 --> 00:07:01.310 is legendary in comedy circles. Yeah. Crystal 00:07:01.310 --> 00:07:03.589 didn't just tell jokes about Ali. He did these 00:07:03.589 --> 00:07:06.550 spot on, perfectly timed impressions of both 00:07:06.550 --> 00:07:09.709 Ali and Howard Cosell. The rhythm, the mimicry. 00:07:09.769 --> 00:07:12.509 It's that perfect blend of his stand up skills 00:07:12.509 --> 00:07:15.029 and what he learned entertaining those jazz guys 00:07:15.029 --> 00:07:17.730 as a kid. Absolutely. And the impact was huge. 00:07:17.930 --> 00:07:20.550 Not only did it showcase his insane talent, but 00:07:20.550 --> 00:07:23.129 critically, it actually sparked this genuine 00:07:23.129 --> 00:07:25.689 lifelong friendship between Crystal and Ali. 00:07:25.870 --> 00:07:27.790 Which says a lot about the impression itself 00:07:27.790 --> 00:07:30.230 that it came from a place of respect. Definitely. 00:07:30.329 --> 00:07:32.889 Now, while his stand -up is catching fire, he's 00:07:32.889 --> 00:07:35.670 also getting pulled back towards TV. Interestingly, 00:07:35.949 --> 00:07:38.050 the sources say he was actually scheduled to 00:07:38.050 --> 00:07:40.449 be on the very first episode of NBC's Saturday 00:07:40.449 --> 00:07:43.449 Night. The show that became SNL. Exactly, back 00:07:43.449 --> 00:07:46.649 in 75. But his sketch got cut at the last minute. 00:07:47.269 --> 00:07:50.269 He did perform later that first season, but his 00:07:50.269 --> 00:07:53.050 real defining TV breakthrough came a couple years 00:07:53.050 --> 00:07:55.930 later with a very different kind of show. The 00:07:55.930 --> 00:08:00.199 sitcom Soap. Right. Soap ran from 77 to 81. And 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.300 Crystal played Jody Dallas. This role is, well, 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.439 historically significant. Absolutely. Jody Dallas 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:08.879 was noted as one of the first, maybe the first, 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.459 unambiguously gay main characters on American 00:08:11.459 --> 00:08:14.279 network television. That word unambiguously is 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.379 so key here. Late 70s network TV was incredibly 00:08:17.379 --> 00:08:19.870 conservative. Oh, yeah. And Soap itself was already 00:08:19.870 --> 00:08:22.350 pushing boundaries like crazy with its soap opera 00:08:22.350 --> 00:08:25.110 satire, its wild plot lines, constant controversy. 00:08:25.430 --> 00:08:27.490 Crystal's role playing Jodi just added fuel to 00:08:27.490 --> 00:08:29.810 that fire. They dealt with everything from conversion 00:08:29.810 --> 00:08:32.090 therapy plots to Jodi wanting to become a mother. 00:08:32.250 --> 00:08:34.750 It was a really challenging tightrope for a young 00:08:34.750 --> 00:08:37.429 actor, wasn't it? Portraying this character who 00:08:37.429 --> 00:08:40.230 was both controversial and needed sensitivity 00:08:40.230 --> 00:08:44.049 all within this very satirical comedic show. 00:08:44.549 --> 00:08:47.730 It really showed his range early on. His willingness 00:08:47.730 --> 00:08:50.750 to tackle complex social stuff proved he was 00:08:50.750 --> 00:08:52.929 more than just an observational comic. Speaking 00:08:52.929 --> 00:08:55.470 of speed and precision during this period, there's 00:08:55.470 --> 00:08:58.450 that great piece of trivia about his game show 00:08:58.450 --> 00:09:00.970 appearances. Well, yeah. The $20 ,000 pyramid. 00:09:01.549 --> 00:09:03.789 He was on it a lot. And he still holds the record 00:09:03.789 --> 00:09:06.250 right for the fastest time getting his partner 00:09:06.250 --> 00:09:09.289 to the winner's circle. Unbelievable. 26 seconds. 00:09:09.330 --> 00:09:11.889 It requires lightning fast thinking, instant 00:09:11.889 --> 00:09:15.029 categorization, razor sharp communication under 00:09:15.029 --> 00:09:16.970 massive pressure. So you can see how that connects, 00:09:17.070 --> 00:09:19.470 right? That quick wit, that precision. It's exactly 00:09:19.470 --> 00:09:21.669 what made him such a great live host later on. 00:09:21.690 --> 00:09:23.509 He was already showing that mental agility. Totally. 00:09:23.909 --> 00:09:26.809 Even on a game show. Okay, so after hosting Saturday 00:09:26.809 --> 00:09:29.529 Night Live twice and getting great reviews. Yeah, 00:09:29.529 --> 00:09:31.710 he finally joins the regular cast for that pivotal 00:09:31.710 --> 00:09:35.649 1984 -85 season. This was a really critical moment 00:09:35.649 --> 00:09:37.769 for SNL. The show had been struggling a bit, 00:09:37.850 --> 00:09:39.929 right? It really had. It felt kind of stale. 00:09:40.370 --> 00:09:43.350 Then producer Dick Ebersole brought in this powerhouse 00:09:43.350 --> 00:09:46.740 new cast. Crystal Martin Short. Christopher Guest 00:09:46.740 --> 00:09:50.320 again. His old NYU classmate. Right. This cast 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.460 completely revitalized the show, steered it back 00:09:53.460 --> 00:09:55.559 towards character -driven comedy. And that season 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:58.220 gave us, well, a genuine cultural phenomenon. 00:09:58.539 --> 00:10:00.759 Crystal's recurring character, Fernando Lamas. 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.860 Fernando. The smarmy, slightly clueless talk 00:10:04.860 --> 00:10:07.840 show host. Instantly iconic. And the catchphrase. 00:10:08.019 --> 00:10:11.320 You look. Marvelous. It wasn't just popular. 00:10:11.379 --> 00:10:13.059 It became this massive mid -80s thing. It jumped 00:10:13.059 --> 00:10:16.059 right off the TV screen. Diet Pepsi even licensed 00:10:16.059 --> 00:10:18.299 the character for ads. That's rare, even for 00:10:18.299 --> 00:10:21.100 SNL. That one phrase really cemented him as a 00:10:21.100 --> 00:10:22.940 household name. He was already known, but this 00:10:22.940 --> 00:10:26.039 was different. Huge momentum. So Crystal smartly 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.440 capitalizes on it, releases a comedy album in 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.120 1985 called Marvelous. Which wasn't just a cash 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.600 -in either. No, it had the title single You Look 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:35.779 Marvelous, which he co -wrote with Paul Schaffer. 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:38.379 That song actually crossed over onto the Billboard 00:10:38.379 --> 00:10:40.960 Hot 100 chart. Okay. Peaked at number 58. That's 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:43.500 incredible for a comedy song in the 80s. It really 00:10:43.500 --> 00:10:46.019 is. And the album itself got nominated for a 00:10:46.019 --> 00:10:49.399 Grammy for Best Comedy Recording. It just proved 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.240 he was this multi -platform sensation, totally 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:54.559 ready for the next big step, becoming a movie 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.240 star. Before he fully becomes that romantic leading 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.720 man, though, he had a few earlier film roles 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:01.940 worth mentioning. Yeah, his very first was in 00:11:01.940 --> 00:11:04.399 Joan Rivers' movie, Rabbit Test, back in 78. 00:11:04.620 --> 00:11:07.419 About the world's first pregnant man. Wow. Still 00:11:07.419 --> 00:11:10.059 pushing boundaries. Exactly. Echoes of soap. 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:12.759 But the early film appearance that people really 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:16.419 remember and kind of foreshadows his future collaborations 00:11:16.419 --> 00:11:19.799 is that brief scene in Rob Reiner's This Is Spinal 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:23.100 Tap. 1984. Morty the Mime. Morty the Mime, the 00:11:23.100 --> 00:11:25.779 hilariously out -of -place mime waiter at that 00:11:25.779 --> 00:11:27.960 awkward spinal tap party. It's such a great, 00:11:28.019 --> 00:11:30.279 surreal little scene. And here's the fun detail. 00:11:30.539 --> 00:11:32.679 Sharing that scene with him is a very young, 00:11:32.820 --> 00:11:36.139 totally unknown, non -speaking Dana Carvey. Who'd 00:11:36.139 --> 00:11:38.759 be the next generation of SNL stars? And Crystal 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:41.299 gets the killer line everyone quotes. Mime is 00:11:41.299 --> 00:11:44.559 money. Delivered perfectly. Shows he could steal 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.399 a scene with almost nothing. Okay, so after proving 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:50.179 he can handle sketch comedy, command a live room, 00:11:50.830 --> 00:11:54.529 steal a scene, the late 80s arrive, and he steps 00:11:54.529 --> 00:11:57.590 up as a major film star. Thanks mainly to that 00:11:57.590 --> 00:12:00.090 amazing collaboration with Rob Reiner. Yeah, 00:12:00.190 --> 00:12:02.509 that partnership basically launched him into 00:12:02.509 --> 00:12:04.330 the movie stratosphere. It started with Running 00:12:04.330 --> 00:12:08.149 Scared in 86, that buddy cop action comedy with 00:12:08.149 --> 00:12:10.649 Gregory Hines. And the critics immediately picked 00:12:10.649 --> 00:12:12.909 up on their chemistry. Right. Roger Ebert especially 00:12:12.909 --> 00:12:15.190 loved them together. He basically said the plot 00:12:15.190 --> 00:12:17.129 didn't even matter because Crystal and Hines 00:12:17.129 --> 00:12:20.870 had such great banter, such an easy believable 00:12:20.870 --> 00:12:23.389 connection. It proved Billy could generate that 00:12:23.389 --> 00:12:26.389 warmth with a co -star. Then comes 87, The Princess 00:12:26.389 --> 00:12:29.950 Bride, Miracle Max. An absolutely iconic supporting 00:12:29.950 --> 00:12:32.750 role, and it's the perfect example of his improv 00:12:32.750 --> 00:12:35.230 genius meeting film structure. Reiner pitched 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:37.009 it to him by saying, How would you like to play 00:12:37.009 --> 00:12:39.870 Mel Brooks? That instantly gave Crystal the voice, 00:12:39.909 --> 00:12:42.250 the mannerisms, everything. And crucially, Reiner 00:12:42.250 --> 00:12:44.830 let him and Carol Kane, who played Valerie, let 00:12:44.830 --> 00:12:47.970 them ad -lib, which is pretty rare. That freedom? 00:12:48.509 --> 00:12:51.210 Rooted in his stand -up, his jazz timing, it 00:12:51.210 --> 00:12:52.990 gave us some of the movie's most quoted lines, 00:12:53.149 --> 00:12:55.909 like, have fun storming the castle. Ebert loved 00:12:55.909 --> 00:12:58.129 that sequence, too. He pointed out you couldn't 00:12:58.129 --> 00:13:00.509 even recognize Crystal and Kane under the makeup, 00:13:00.529 --> 00:13:02.970 but their scene was one of the funniest in the 00:13:02.970 --> 00:13:05.070 whole film. Showed his ability to completely 00:13:05.070 --> 00:13:08.629 transform. But the real peak, the genre -defining 00:13:08.629 --> 00:13:11.909 moment of that partnership, has to be 1989's 00:13:11.909 --> 00:13:15.309 When Harry Met Sally. Opposite Meg Ryan, nor 00:13:15.309 --> 00:13:18.769 Efron's legendary script. Just an instant, enduring 00:13:18.769 --> 00:13:21.470 classic. Widely considered his greatest film 00:13:21.470 --> 00:13:24.809 role. He plays Harry Cynical, guarded, uses humor 00:13:24.809 --> 00:13:27.070 as a defense mechanism. The Hollywood Reporter 00:13:27.070 --> 00:13:29.870 praised his lustrous, deeply shaded performance. 00:13:30.269 --> 00:13:32.990 They saw his comedy hitting its deepest human 00:13:32.990 --> 00:13:35.450 dimension. He wasn't just funny, he felt real. 00:13:35.690 --> 00:13:37.629 And that performance got him his first Golden 00:13:37.629 --> 00:13:40.110 Globe nomination for Best Actor in a Musical 00:13:40.110 --> 00:13:42.440 or Comedy. Right. He didn't win, but the film's 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.200 legacy is just immense. I mean, the BBC named 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.179 it the greatest romantic comedy of all time in 00:13:47.179 --> 00:13:50.200 2019. It really defined how a generation thought 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.559 about men and vulnerability in relationships. 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.480 And the success just keeps rolling into the 90s. 00:13:57.279 --> 00:14:01.059 1991, City Slickers. Huge hit. He plays Mitch 00:14:01.059 --> 00:14:03.720 Robbins, the unsatisfied city guy who goes on 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.860 a cattle drive. Big commercial success. Gets 00:14:06.860 --> 00:14:09.179 him his second Golden Globe nomination. And Entertainment 00:14:09.179 --> 00:14:11.480 Weekly had an interesting take on why it worked 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:13.519 so well. Yeah, they said City Slickers was maybe 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.860 the first movie that really captured his specific 00:14:15.860 --> 00:14:20.019 persona perfectly. That comfy, urban, shlemial 00:14:20.019 --> 00:14:22.820 personality they called it. It grounded the jokes, 00:14:22.899 --> 00:14:25.100 made the whole concept feel relatable, playing 00:14:25.100 --> 00:14:27.580 the everyman dealing with midlife angst. But 00:14:27.580 --> 00:14:29.820 he wasn't content just acting in other people's 00:14:29.820 --> 00:14:32.299 films. He wanted more control. Exactly. Stuff's 00:14:32.299 --> 00:14:34.580 behind the camera, starts writing. He wrote, 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:36.820 directed, and starred in Mr. Saturday Night in 00:14:36.820 --> 00:14:40.000 92, and Forget Paris in 95. Mr. Saturday Night 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:42.360 was ambitious, playing Buddy Young Jr., this 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.220 abrasive, aging comedian looking back with regret. 00:14:45.500 --> 00:14:47.919 Required serious aging makeup, pushed him into 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:50.340 a much more dramatic, challenging role. And that 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:53.039 performance, showing that darker side of comedy, 00:14:53.610 --> 00:14:56.950 got him his third Golden Globe nomination. Proved 00:14:56.950 --> 00:14:59.429 his depth beyond the rom -coms, it felt like 00:14:59.429 --> 00:15:01.750 a deliberate move to bridge his comedy persona 00:15:01.750 --> 00:15:04.509 with serious drama. And he kept having big commercial 00:15:04.509 --> 00:15:07.149 hits with other stars, too. Father's Day with 00:15:07.149 --> 00:15:09.909 Robin Williams in 97. Then that great pairing 00:15:09.909 --> 00:15:13.070 with Robert De Niro in the Auburn Jadio. Analyzed 00:15:13.070 --> 00:15:15.350 this in 99. Which led to the sequel, Analyze 00:15:15.350 --> 00:15:17.769 That. Showed he could bounce off totally different 00:15:17.769 --> 00:15:20.509 acting styles. Williams' mania, De Niro's deadpan. 00:15:20.649 --> 00:15:22.899 Yeah. Very versatile. But if we have to pick 00:15:22.899 --> 00:15:25.740 one role that really cemented his place in global 00:15:25.740 --> 00:15:28.799 pop culture, it has to be hosting the Oscars. 00:15:28.899 --> 00:15:31.080 Oh, without a doubt. Nine times he hosted the 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.059 Academy Awards between 1990 and 2012. That number 00:15:34.059 --> 00:15:36.620 is just staggering. Second only to Bob Hope, 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.220 who did it 19 times. That's legendary territory. 00:15:39.379 --> 00:15:41.559 And he wasn't just reliable. He was critically 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:43.940 acclaimed. People felt he saved the ceremony 00:15:43.940 --> 00:15:46.299 sometimes, turned it from this stuffy event into 00:15:46.299 --> 00:15:49.700 genuinely great TV. He won Emmys for it, too, 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:52.220 for hosting. and writing the 63rd Oscars, another 00:15:52.220 --> 00:15:54.600 just for writing the 64th. His hosting style 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:57.759 became iconic. That mix of stand -up, musical 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:00.639 theater, and genuine love for movies. You knew 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:02.159 what you were getting with the Crystal Oscars. 00:16:02.259 --> 00:16:05.600 Yeah. Two signature things, right? First, that 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.059 opening video montage where he digitally insert 00:16:08.059 --> 00:16:10.500 himself into scenes from the nominated movies. 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:13.340 Which was technically tricky and always hilarious. 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:16.580 And second, maybe even more famous, the opening 00:16:16.580 --> 00:16:19.980 song. Usually a parody medley about the nominated 00:16:19.980 --> 00:16:24.150 films. Required incredible precision. mimicry, 00:16:24.150 --> 00:16:27.750 music knowledge, film knowledge. It pulled everything 00:16:27.750 --> 00:16:29.789 together from his background. There's that great 00:16:29.789 --> 00:16:32.929 story about his return in 2012. Oh, yeah. He'd 00:16:32.929 --> 00:16:35.669 stepped away for a few years. And the 2011 show 00:16:35.669 --> 00:16:38.269 with James Franco and Anne Hathaway? Well... 00:16:38.539 --> 00:16:40.360 It didn't go well. Understatement of the century. 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:42.779 So the Academy basically begged him to come back. 00:16:42.860 --> 00:16:44.840 And Roger Ebert wrote that when Crystal just 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:47.259 walked back on that stage in 2012 and started 00:16:47.259 --> 00:16:49.419 his monologue, he got the first laughs of the 00:16:49.419 --> 00:16:52.399 broadcast. Wow. It wasn't just jokes. He was 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:54.919 stabilizing the whole night. The calming force 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.940 everyone needed. Exactly. The conductor for that 00:16:57.940 --> 00:17:00.559 high -pressure orchestra. So while he's reigning 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.000 over the Oscars, he's also diversifying in the 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.740 early 2000s. directing, voice work, often on 00:17:06.740 --> 00:17:09.180 projects close to his heart. Yeah, like his directorial 00:17:09.180 --> 00:17:12.960 work on that HBO movie 61 in 2001. But the Roger 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.599 Mayer's Mickey Mantle home run race in 61. Which 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.519 for someone known mostly for comedy, directing 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.220 a historical sports drama was a big pivot. Totally. 00:17:20.259 --> 00:17:22.759 But he poured his lifelong obsession with the 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:25.400 Yankees and Mantle into it, and it paid off. 00:17:25.579 --> 00:17:28.140 He got an Emmy nomination for directing, showed 00:17:28.140 --> 00:17:30.140 he had the chops for serious drama behind the 00:17:30.140 --> 00:17:32.359 camera too. And then, of course, there's Mike 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:35.259 Wazowski. Mike Wazowski. Simultaneously, he becomes 00:17:35.259 --> 00:17:38.480 this voice icon with Pixar's Monsters, Inc. in 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:41.940 2001. The one -eyed, green, perpetually flustered 00:17:41.940 --> 00:17:44.759 monster. Reprised the role for the prequel, Monsters 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:47.279 University, and that cameo in Cars. And his chemistry 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.559 with John Goodman as Sully was just fantastic. 00:17:49.779 --> 00:17:51.599 You could hear their improv skills bouncing off 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:53.680 each other. Perfect fit for his rapid -fire delivery. 00:17:53.980 --> 00:17:56.740 Which brings us to that infamous regret nugget. 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.380 Ah, yes. The role he turned down. Buzz Lightyear 00:17:59.380 --> 00:18:03.170 in Toy Story back in 95. Big ouch. He later admitted 00:18:03.170 --> 00:18:05.490 he really regretted that decision, especially 00:18:05.490 --> 00:18:08.910 seeing how massive Toy Story became. A classic 00:18:08.910 --> 00:18:11.750 what -if probably made him jump at the chance 00:18:11.750 --> 00:18:14.470 to do Monsters, Inc. when that came along. Learned 00:18:14.470 --> 00:18:16.589 his lesson about animation, he also did the voice 00:18:16.589 --> 00:18:19.269 of Calcifer, the fire demon, in the English version 00:18:19.269 --> 00:18:21.930 of Miyazaki's Howl's Moving Castle. Yeah, another 00:18:21.930 --> 00:18:24.890 great voice role. But while the film and voice 00:18:24.890 --> 00:18:27.529 stuff continued, maybe his most personal creative 00:18:27.529 --> 00:18:31.569 outlet became the stage. 2004, he makes his Broadway 00:18:31.569 --> 00:18:35.710 debut with the one -man show, 700 Sundays. And 00:18:35.710 --> 00:18:37.769 this wasn't just stand -up. This was a full two 00:18:37.769 --> 00:18:40.170 -act play he wrote himself. All about his parents, 00:18:40.269 --> 00:18:43.309 his dad Jack, his Long Beach childhood. Deeply 00:18:43.309 --> 00:18:45.890 personal, vulnerable stuff. And it was a massive 00:18:45.890 --> 00:18:49.339 success. Critically, commercially. Huge. Won 00:18:49.339 --> 00:18:52.200 the Tony Award in 2005 for Best Special Theatrical 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:54.859 Event. Won the Drama Desk Award, too. It just 00:18:54.859 --> 00:18:57.019 resonated with people, letting them see the emotional 00:18:57.019 --> 00:18:59.119 core behind the comedy. It was so successful 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:01.319 they filmed it for HBO in 2014. Right, which 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:03.559 got Emmy nominations, too. The power of that 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:05.880 story just carried across. But he didn't stop 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.980 there with Broadway. He came back in 2022, adapting 00:19:08.980 --> 00:19:11.740 his own movie, Mr. Saturday Night, into a full 00:19:11.740 --> 00:19:15.180 musical and starred in it again as Buddy Young 00:19:15.180 --> 00:19:18.519 Jr. An incredible undertaking. Star writer. He 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.759 got two big Tony nominations for that. Best actor 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:24.539 in a musical and significantly best book of a 00:19:24.539 --> 00:19:26.900 musical. That nomination for the book, the writing, 00:19:26.980 --> 00:19:29.539 that's huge. Recognizes his skill in crafting 00:19:29.539 --> 00:19:31.700 the actual narrative structure for the stage. 00:19:31.900 --> 00:19:34.440 It really does. Shows his mastery of theatrical 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:36.579 form, not just performance. And we have to mention 00:19:36.579 --> 00:19:39.740 that moment at the 75th Tony Awards. His performance. 00:19:39.900 --> 00:19:42.339 The Yiddish scat singing. The New York Times 00:19:42.339 --> 00:19:45.359 called it that. This incredibly fast, improvised 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.059 blend of scat jazz and Yiddish. And he pulled 00:19:48.059 --> 00:19:50.579 Lin -Manuel Miranda and Samuel L. Jackson into 00:19:50.579 --> 00:19:53.079 it. Right there on the spot. Praised for its 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:55.539 precision, delivery, command of the room, it 00:19:55.539 --> 00:19:57.640 felt like the perfect fusion of his jazz roots, 00:19:57.859 --> 00:20:00.799 his improv chops, and his Broadway success. So 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:02.559 given this incredible range of achievements, 00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:05.119 it's no surprise he's received a ton of honors 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:07.380 over the years. Way beyond the Emmys and the 00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:09.970 Tony. Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame back 00:20:09.970 --> 00:20:13.410 in 91. The Mark Twain Prize for American Humor 00:20:13.410 --> 00:20:16.309 in 2007. Which is a really big deal, recognizing 00:20:16.309 --> 00:20:18.690 lasting impact on American humor and culture. 00:20:18.890 --> 00:20:21.789 Exactly. More recently, the Critics' Choice Lifetime 00:20:21.789 --> 00:20:25.609 Achievement Award in 2022. And then the big one, 00:20:25.910 --> 00:20:29.240 the Kennedy Center Honors in 2023. The highest 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:31.559 honor for performing arts in the U .S. And the 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:33.880 tributes there were amazing. Rob Reiner, Meg 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:36.440 Ryan, De Niro, Jay Leno. And Lin -Manuel Miranda 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:39.119 and Mark Shaman did a medley of his Oscar songs. 00:20:39.259 --> 00:20:41.940 A perfect tribute. Now beyond the stage and screen, 00:20:42.099 --> 00:20:43.740 let's touch on his personal life, philanthropy, 00:20:44.059 --> 00:20:46.339 and sports. The most remarkable thing might be 00:20:46.339 --> 00:20:48.650 his marriage. Absolutely. married his high school 00:20:48.650 --> 00:20:51.170 sweetheart, Janice Goldfinger, back in 1970, 00:20:51.509 --> 00:20:54.549 over five decades together. That's incredibly 00:20:54.549 --> 00:20:57.109 rare, especially in Hollywood. He often credits 00:20:57.109 --> 00:20:59.089 his parents, Jack and Helen, for setting that 00:20:59.089 --> 00:21:01.369 example of a loving partnership. They have two 00:21:01.369 --> 00:21:03.170 daughters, Jennifer and Lindsay, both in the 00:21:03.170 --> 00:21:06.039 business, and their grandparents. A real bedrock 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.559 of stability, which makes the recent news even 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:11.579 sadder. The sources confirm their longtime home 00:21:11.579 --> 00:21:14.279 in Pacific Palisades was destroyed in that fire 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:18.779 in January 2025. After 46 years there, just devastating. 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:21.519 Truly awful. Shifting gears slightly, philanthropy, 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:25.599 comic relief. Right. Starting in 86, he co -hosted 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:28.880 those HBO telethons with Robin Williams and Whoopi 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:32.359 Goldberg. raising huge amounts for homeless initiatives. 00:21:32.619 --> 00:21:36.220 That trio was iconic. Peak stand -up brilliance 00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:38.759 meets celebrity activism. And that brings us 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:40.720 to his friendship with Robin Williams. Such a 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:42.740 deep, important friendship. When Williams died 00:21:42.740 --> 00:21:44.980 in 2014, Crystal gave that incredibly moving 00:21:44.980 --> 00:21:47.960 tribute at the Emmys. So raw, so personal on 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:49.880 live TV. He said later it was one of the hardest 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:51.500 things he ever had to do, where you wouldn't 00:21:51.500 --> 00:21:53.500 get through it. He called Robin the brightest 00:21:53.500 --> 00:21:55.799 star in the comedy galaxy, just perfectly captured 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:57.869 him. And his ability to find the right words 00:21:57.869 --> 00:21:59.950 in grief was tested again with Muhammad Ali. 00:22:00.130 --> 00:22:01.990 That friendship started with the roast impression. 00:22:02.309 --> 00:22:04.609 And ended with Crystal giving a eulogy at Ali's 00:22:04.609 --> 00:22:07.569 funeral in 2016. Where he delivered that amazing 00:22:07.569 --> 00:22:11.670 line comparing Ali to Mozart, Picasso, Shakespeare. 00:22:12.910 --> 00:22:14.869 Contextualizing him as this once -in -a -millennium 00:22:14.869 --> 00:22:17.630 cultural force. Just beautiful. He really has 00:22:17.630 --> 00:22:20.109 a gift for capturing the essence of people. Finally, 00:22:20.109 --> 00:22:21.569 we have to talk about the baseball obsession. 00:22:22.210 --> 00:22:24.769 Specifically, the New York Yankees. Oh yeah. 00:22:25.210 --> 00:22:27.569 It defines him outside of show business. His 00:22:27.569 --> 00:22:30.430 boyhood hero was Mickey Mantle. So much so that 00:22:30.430 --> 00:22:33.730 when Mantle died in 95, Crystal co -wrote the 00:22:33.730 --> 00:22:36.150 eulogy with Bob Costas. That's serious dedication. 00:22:36.690 --> 00:22:39.329 But the peak fanaticism has to be the one -day 00:22:39.329 --> 00:22:42.509 contract. March 12, 2008, right before his 60th 00:22:42.509 --> 00:22:44.670 birthday, he signs a minor league deal with the 00:22:44.670 --> 00:22:47.329 Yankees. Where's number 60? And actually plays. 00:22:47.529 --> 00:22:50.329 Leads off his DH in a spring training game against 00:22:50.329 --> 00:22:52.579 the Pirates. Can you imagine the pressure? Billy 00:22:52.579 --> 00:22:55.299 Crystal, almost 60, facing a pro pitcher. The 00:22:55.299 --> 00:22:57.880 outcome was pure comedy gold, though. He fouled 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:00.660 off one pitch, but ultimately struck out on six 00:23:00.660 --> 00:23:03.200 pitches against Palma Home. Then, as planned, 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.319 released on his 60th birthday, lived the dream 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:08.940 for a day. Now, the really jaw -dropping anecdote. 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:11.599 From his memoir, Still Foolin' Em, involving 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.160 Joe DiMaggio. This story is nuts. After Mantle's 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:18.759 monument ceremony in 95, DiMaggio was apparently 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:21.579 furious because Crystal hadn't introduced him 00:23:21.579 --> 00:23:25.759 as the greatest living player. So DiMaggio marched 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:28.039 up and punched Billy Crystal in the stomach. 00:23:28.180 --> 00:23:31.079 Punched by Jolton Joe. It's the perfect collision 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:34.140 of Hollywood and legendary sensitive sports egos. 00:23:34.380 --> 00:23:36.799 Only Billy Crystal could have that happen and 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:39.339 tell the tale. It's amazing. And we have to end 00:23:39.339 --> 00:23:41.599 this section with the ultimate irony, the ultimate 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:44.839 conflict of interest, lifelong Yankees nut. But 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:46.960 he's a part owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks. 00:23:47.140 --> 00:23:49.960 And in 2001, the Diamondbacks beat his beloved 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:53.160 Yankees in the World Series. He got a World Series 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:55.700 ring for beating his own team. That must be the 00:23:55.700 --> 00:23:57.940 most bittersweet championship ring ever made. 00:23:58.299 --> 00:24:00.720 Just quickly, before we wrap, the sources note 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.799 he's a supporter of the Democratic Party and 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:05.259 was an outspoken critic of Donald Trump in 2016, 00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:07.720 supporting Hillary Clinton. We mentioned that 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.539 just for the full picture presented in the material. 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:12.019 Right. So looking back at everything, what really 00:24:12.019 --> 00:24:14.400 stands out is that consistency and how you can 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.119 trace threads from his earliest influences right 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:19.039 through to his later work. Yeah, we followed 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:21.720 his path from learning comedy timing from jazz 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.359 legends in his living room. To using that precision 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:27.690 as Fernando Lamas on SNL. to becoming the definitive 00:24:27.690 --> 00:24:31.029 romantic lead in When Harry Met Sally. And then 00:24:31.029 --> 00:24:33.890 making that huge pivot to being a respected stage 00:24:33.890 --> 00:24:36.769 writer and performer with deeply personal work 00:24:36.769 --> 00:24:40.309 like 700 Sundays, really grappling with his father's 00:24:40.309 --> 00:24:43.769 legacy. He truly mastered every medium. The live 00:24:43.769 --> 00:24:46.309 pressure of SNL and the Oscars, where he was 00:24:46.309 --> 00:24:48.730 that calming presence. To the technical demands 00:24:48.730 --> 00:24:51.670 of directing a serious drama like 61. So if we 00:24:51.670 --> 00:24:54.750 connect all these dots, the jazz, Scorsese, Jody 00:24:54.750 --> 00:24:57.450 Dallas, Marvelous, the Oscar hosting, Mike Wazowski, 00:24:57.630 --> 00:25:01.109 the Tonys, even facing that fastball at 60, it 00:25:01.109 --> 00:25:03.049 does raise a big question for you, the listener, 00:25:03.170 --> 00:25:05.890 to think about. Given Billy Crystal's success 00:25:05.890 --> 00:25:08.450 across so many wildly different genres, improv, 00:25:08.730 --> 00:25:11.869 hosting, romantic drama, musicals, directing 00:25:11.869 --> 00:25:14.250 which of his many, many celebrated roles. Comic 00:25:14.250 --> 00:25:16.549 or dramatic, fictional character, or just being 00:25:16.549 --> 00:25:19.410 himself hosting the Oscars. Which one will ultimately 00:25:19.410 --> 00:25:22.509 be seen as his most enduring contribution to 00:25:22.509 --> 00:25:25.470 American entertainment? His legacy is still being 00:25:25.470 --> 00:25:27.730 written, but it's all rooted in that rhythm he 00:25:27.730 --> 00:25:29.569 first picked up as a kid back on Long Island. 00:25:29.730 --> 00:25:32.150 A perfect thought to consider. Thanks for joining 00:25:32.150 --> 00:25:33.029 us on The Deep Dive.