Thank you. Glad I double -checked my first press
didn't work. All right. Hello. Ahoy. This is
probably one of the first things we're releasing
but we are Eight nine months deep into nine months.
This podcast is a whole baby. Holy shit. Yeah,
literally September 1st will be birthing a whole
podcast. That's so cool. I Learned a lot in that
time. We've been making it. We recorded a good
handful of episodes um but still have a lot to
do before we release things however um we're
gonna use this opportunity to just talk about
that process and you know how that maybe affect
us people or or just thoughts about uh us and
our characters early on just as a fun little
way to to introduce us turntails the show um
and mostly just highlight Parts of creating it.
I think that's that's the part I would be interested
in But maybe i'm biased because i've been desperately
trying to figure out how to make this show over
the past nine months And I wish there were more
straightforward resources so Yeah, but yeah,
you're not gonna catch me making something because
who has the time anyway? um Yeah, I guess i'll
open the floor Do we want to just go in a circle
and does anyone have a talking point that they're
excited about or or something that? They can
immediately. I think if you're bringing it up,
you should probably be able to comment on it
right away, right? I guess I have a general question
for the class. When you started making characters
for this, did you start with a class that you
wanted to play first? Or did you start with general
character vibes and sort of slot a class in from
there? So like did you crack open that book and
go yeah, I just really wanted to play a ranger
and built Chris around that or did did Chris
come first? But for everybody, I don't know cool
I'm like, I know there were some messages between
me and Sean like into your very early on. What
does this look like? It's got to be. There was
there was a few messages from between me and
Sean very early on. I do find the message where
I say I'm going to shake it up a little bit,
you know, do something very different and then
sent him the whole breakdown. I actually can't
remember what it was before then, but I do remember
going to Zips and talking about stuff. In December,
it was cold. Holy shit, it was cold. We sat outside.
Yeah. Nice. And I can't remember where I was
going with at that point, but basically I was
like, this is not fun. I don't want to do this.
See, I specifically remember drinking more because
it was so cold outside. Yeah. Yeah. Which is
insane. Trying to warm up. Which is an insane
thing to think. You're in Arizona. How cold is
it? I know. People not from Arizona probably
shut the fuck up 68 degrees we were to be fair.
We were in the shade. Oh, right the shade. It's
true. God. Yeah people understand now Um, that's
really cool. I forgot about that day. That's
Yeah, yeah, what do you so you wait wait wait?
Let's focus on what you just said so you were
like this is dumb, and I hate this yeah Bad I
was I was like this is not like I would not want
to listen to somebody play this character kind
of a oh You're talking about Chris specifically
yeah, not the concept of the oh Yeah, I'm less
offended now, but yeah curious no no yeah I was
like this this would not fit. It's not good So
then I that's when I was like I want to do something
very different And now even like after the first
session it was very different even after that
I know we'll talk about that a little bit but
I'm so curious now. What was the original idea?
I can't remember. I think you were gonna start
as, no I have a vague, I know it was my question
but I think I know your answer. I have a vague
recollection. I see my memory jogged. Behind
the bar at Medieval Times and we were talking
back and forth about some character ideas and
I think you almost started as a rogue. Think
you had Chris's vibes first and then I think
you ended up landing on a ranger Mechanically
when we were sitting at zips. I feel like I remember
it being like Cunning conniving vibes a little
bit. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's like rogue is almost
more fitting for Chris's personality in a way
Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's it's more It's more
overdone. I guess it's more right, you know,
I definitely when I play games like Skyrim my
face Definitely when I play games like Skyrim
or like Horizon or stuff like that I'm always
very like stealthy and I like using like close
-range weapons and and Light armor and stuff
like that, you know, I like that kind of vibe
So I was like, I I still want to do that, but
I want to do something that I don't usually do
so So I have a text from Sean from January 12th
and he gave me like a rundown of like all the
characters and For Chris. He just had a highborn
who ran away from home to live with the people.
Oh, yeah Like silver spoon guy. That's right.
That's right. I Love that you're eating chili
as you said I Didn't expect that revelation to
come right there. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah,
that's right He was gonna be like a high elf
or something. High elf, I thought you were just
high born. High born, yeah. Royal. Now you're
a rabbit. I'm a rabbit. Now I'm way lower. That's
reductive. Rabbit is reductive. My bad, my bad.
It's okay, it's okay. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I'm
very glad I didn't go with that because I was
just like, I don't know. It wasn't as, I don't
think it's as interesting as what I have now.
What about you Tim? Did you start with Blink's
vibes or did you start with Monk class? Monk
class, I think because Blink was actually like
a character I had in my little brain palace for
a long long time. Okay, you've been sitting on
it then. Yeah, and so it like kind of faked a
little bit that I was able to play him, but I
want to do a Shadow Monk or way the Shadow Monk
for like a while. Then I don't know. I always
like nitpick and I just like go through every
single like race available and Janassi's I just
fell in love with them But I did almost have
a minute of scrapping that and going with a wizard.
Whoa Still a Janassi I wasn't sure yet. I just
wanted to do a wizard. Yeah, and then I for like
it was like Six seconds, but I was like maybe
a wild magic barbarian would be fun. Oh that
yeah, that's cool. Yeah, dude I actually I always
knew I was gonna play a vampire that checks I
Get I get it though brother. I get it. I always
knew I was gonna play a vampire, but I knew I
wanted to kind of discover Vein's personality
as we played I just wanted to leave it a very
blank slate and so that's kind of why he has
the memory thing is that It wanted to be I wanted
to be a character that has no idea who they are
that like their identity is kind of in limbo
and they have to go through all kinds of things
to figure out who they actually are as a person
and I Feel like a vampire is a good way to approach
that as well. I feel like being not an actual
person not a living being is like a way to instantly
be like, yeah, like he's an outcast from society.
He's like trying to discover a purpose as well
in his life. And so I definitely wanted that
kind of character arc from the start. So you
started with his vibes and being a vampire. And
then I imagine you filled in the gaps with the
Hexblade Warlock thing after. Yeah, I was going
to be a sorcerer almost. And then I was. We almost
had so many casters. And now we have like a couple
half casters, if that. A sorcerer because it's
supposed to be like the idea. I don't want to
spoil anything about the character, but like
of like, actually, I probably can't say. Oh,
really? Say it and I'll cut it out. What is it?
Uh, essentially that like. I don't want to spoil
it for me, bro. All right. Oh, you don't want
to share the table. It would be about before
Vane was even a vampire, so. Oh, leave. Oh, don't
fucking tell me anything about that. Yeah. Oh,
man. Cool. To keep the listeners on their toes.
Yeah. Guess you got to listen to find out. And
the players. Yeah, but I wanted to play like
a broody edgelord. But like, but change that
to be like it's that's the vibe that you initially
get, but that's actually not Veins personality
like at all. Which I think you do a really good
job of. whether you intend to or not. But some
of, like, your breaks as Vane, where he's, like,
so brooding and dramatic and, like, Shakespearean
to a degree. And then you break. And it's almost
like just a little bit of garrison that bugs
through. And he just says something out of, like,
left wing that is so, like, human. It's some
of my favorite stuff that Vane does. So I would
say you communicate it well. I think it's in
episode one where he's, like, you're Asking him
like what what do you what are you gonna like?
What do you have to offer? And he's like, well,
I can pay in other ways and he's like very And
then you ask him something else and then it comes
to the conclusion of like, okay Yeah, you can
you can join and he's just like, oh awesome In
that and I think that that also helps kind of
show who vein is deep down somewhere in there
it's just a guy that goes oh cool yeah you mean
there's more to vein than sucking blood yeah
yeah and you know that it is Dracula kind of
hot yeah vein vein is super hot hey i just don't
slander with kinda i didn't want to make garrison
uncomfortable by no no he's like no go on no
no no um yeah I also saw Nosferatu like very
recently before even making this character and
I was like sure like why not even steal a part
of that like Dracula -esque voice and just spin
it again to be a different character not this
ominous sinister being but like more of a human
deep down so yeah. Vayne has such funny like
little one -liners too where like I think it's
the first episode. I think it was like right
after what Avi was talking about, but he like
turns to Keela and he's like one silver doubloon
What even is that? What's this weird stereotype
we're playing into right now? I'm ready to pay
you back one silver like the most insulting So
funny He's trying he's trying B .O .B.? Is that
where we're at? Yeah, we're on B .O .B. Do we
talk about Keyla? No, but I want to hear everybody
else's stuff. I've been talking this whole time.
Cool. Yeah, so for me, once I landed on B .O
.B. being the character that I wanted to play,
I kind of just kind of mix and matched. Different
classes because you had a whole list. Yes, it
was like a whole yeah, and we can dive into that
after this I that's Obvious list of ten characters
that he has ready to go at any given moment.
Yeah, it was a lot and and to be Fair to me.
I tend to make them as I know what I like the
campaign's gonna be. I don't have them in backlog,
essentially. I'm like, oh, okay, I know the vibe,
and then I start coming up with 10 different,
because I like - You find your little stereotypes
in you. Yeah, what would fit in this world? But
once it was, once, after the long process, we
determined, okay, this is the setting, and then
I determined that I wanted to play B .O .B. in
this setting, it was a lot of mix and match of,
okay, let's see, because B .O .B., full transparency,
he - came from a campaign I played like four
or five years ago. So you just lied, you do have
them backlogged. In this one, I, yes. So I only
got to play him two times and I just fell in
love with like this vibe that he gave off. Just
this like wholesome, just so innocent, naive,
kind of dummy running around, who had just like
this everything rose shade. vision of the world.
So then originally he was supposed to be a bard
and I was almost locked in on bard. That's cool.
He would have been a lore bard. Very cool. Because
his whole personality is based off of like fairy
tales. His whole motivation to save the princess,
to be a knight, to be his hero, fight dragons,
all that is stemmed off of his love for fairy
tales. So I wanted to kind of keep those elements.
But then I realized, you know, Bard is a little
bit too on the nose for me, and I liked another
Bard idea for maybe some other day. We're never
doing this again after this. That's so not true.
All right, you got me. I'll do this until the
day I die, if you guys want to. If your character
dies, you're banned from the table, actually.
So I wanted to try something different, something
I haven't played. And Art of fisters always been
one that I just when I walk people play it especially
pots we played together in I Loved watching art
of fisters and like creativity that goes with
that. I'm like, you know, it'd be really funny
if this little dummy could do that And it felt
like it was just like it's such a like a topsy
turvy sort of Concept that I just had to see
through so cool. Love it. Yeah, I think he's
a good character I think we've sent the episodes
at this point when we're recording this, and
I don't mind sharing this, I don't think, we've
not released any episodes. We have showed them
to a few people, and everyone has great things
to say about everyone individually, which is
awesome. B .O .B., the voice acting people love.
Across the board, I've gotten that as a consistent
response. Blink is the certified good boy. I
think Derek laughs at how Maybe it was Derek
Somebody was telling me that they loved how kind
of what you see isn't what you get from from
vein where he on the surface is giving all the
time broody dark, but then kind of like 60 %
of the time when you talk to me, he's like, yeah,
what's up? He's just like a cool guy. You want
to like hang or something? Which is cool. He's
just really lonely, I think. Yeah, so I don't
know. What? No, he's fine. He's so happy. Keely,
you want to? Oh, I'm sorry. Audra, you want to?
Tell us about Gila for a little the overlap there
leads me to maybe consider some things about
myself I will not be doing that though. No, okay.
I was always gonna play a pirate. I was always
gonna play a pirate I think as We really started
kicking around the idea you and I Sean about
like doing a podcast seriously 5 .5 for lack
of a better way to Describe 5 .5e came out and
they introduced a circle of the sea druid and
I was like, this is my moment. And I was watching
a lot of Deadliest Catch at the time. So I was
really into crab fishing. And so the idea of
a pirate from a like crab fishing pirate island
in conjunction with this new subclass that just
got introduced, I was like done, sick. But I
was always gonna play a pirate. That sounds like
the best chocolate chip cookie recipe. Like you
have all the right things. It all just works
together. It works together so good. All of those
ingredients work so great. That's synergy. Yeah,
Keela's been a process. But yeah, I was always
gonna be her. I was always gonna be her. I like
hearing about the... And you ended up with a
very... Strong character that is a very positive
mash of a lot of things and I really like She's
a lot of fun. She's a lot of fun. She sucks,
but she's a lot of fun. It's so funny on the
right here I actually thought about Deadliest
catch I wonder if pot still watches I was watching
Deadliest catch a couple days ago. Actually,
I went looking for like some Some crab documentaries
and there just weren't like any good ones that
were really scratching the edge for what I was
looking for So I was like, okay fine. Guess I'll
just put this back on it's fine With this kind
of to turn it back on to Sean. Was this always
going to be what the podcast was? What do you
mean? No, you know the answer to that. He's setting
you up. I know the answer to that. But maybe
the audience doesn't or maybe some people at
the table don't. Yeah, you're right. I forgot
we were doing a show. Don't look at me like that.
Yeah, very fair. Very fair. Me throwing you a
softball and you're like, you're right. You're
right. Do me a favor. No, this we actually are
going to start with a Western. It's going to
be a Western. Very light, dark, all this stuff.
Strict rules about about engagement with a gun,
about being too close to someone is almost guaranteed
death. If you're too slow, you know, things like
that. It would have been a very different type
of game where people committed to characters
that maybe wouldn't make it. But then I decided
that the most fun that I really have is just
doing what I know. So this really is just a continuation
of a game I've been playing for a few years with
my friends. And it's working out so far. I'm
having a ton of fun. I think it ended up being
the right call. I think that. Um, the western
is gonna be fun. I was I was I was into it But
I think for a first run at a dungeons and dragons
podcast. It was just a little Too gritty. I think
just a little bit too Heavy to come out of the
gate swinging with maybe at some point, you know
Well, we can swing into some darker stuff or
some heavier stuff. I don't I'm sorry. Oh no
I was gonna say, I don't know if it was ever
discussed, but do the listeners or the audience
know that this is technically like a Season two
for your guys's campaign? No, and I don't think
they need to know Like they can hear this and
that's fine, but it's um Here's the truth and
the people that played the last one. They're
not necessarily at this table I think the only
overlaps are Avi the BoB and Audrey Kila You
played in the last games, and Avi, you even jumped
in halfway through. Day one goes to Audrey. And
they'll see a lot of similarities between that
one and this one, because as I run into DMing
a recorded show, I'm kind of falling back onto
what I know. And the story is by no means one
to one. I think it's very different. But you
will find. a lot of the same bad guys and same
enemies and same general threats, but that means
nothing to an audience. It just means something
to Audrey, but I promise I won't give her, even
if Audrey were to metagame and be like, I know
what these bad guys do, the bad guys weaknesses
will be obvious to everyone the second they meet
them because that's generally how I design fights
because you should know the weakness. Without
pulling your hair. I don't know. I'm not gonna
get into the logistics of fights There's mostly
just the exceptions fun Easter eggs for me like
a name. I'll go. Oh, I recognize them Yeah, I'm
not related to you this time. I can work with
you. It's great. That is my superpower in this
situation if I need something I just have a bank
of characters. Yeah. Yeah the the Series or the
the campaign before this really does just feel
like like lore like extra lore It's not I don't
think of it as much of a sequel as it is just
yeah There's some some history to the world and
it's really cool to have that if you have it
Otherwise like it doesn't take anything away
if you don't yeah, although I think it's really
cool because can you imagine trying to get you
and Audrey and the Three other players for other
players we had for a while Into a space and to
spend that much time developing something I would
have to pay you so much money So I'm glad that
that is like a free resource that I was being
able to fall back on that stuff It's pretty cool.
Yeah, this game is fun. Yeah, it's a very fleshed
out world. Um, that's enough of me on this what
about uh, Well shit technical things don't really
I had a question if I Can shoot? Oh, yeah What
was everyone's, like, personality, like, for
their characters? What were any inspirations
or references that you had that kind of fleshed
out? I was going to ask you the same question.
That's a really good question. Very cool. Yeah.
All right. Fire away. I love this. Saves me some
work. Listen. I can start. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
So for B .O .B. I'm a big fan of the Paddington
series I I'm I'm such a sucker for just like
overly sweet like characters so I wanted to have
a lot of that energy when coming into this with
with BoB of like again just someone that's just
Thinks the world is great and everything and
it's great and he's sweet You need it's a is
a very sweet character with a little bit of the
madness that comes with naturally with being
a goblin. So, oh, you know, he might be sweet,
sweet, sweet, and then he'll start chewing the
bars of a jail cell or eating marbles. And, you
know, it's it's it's innocent. He's not trying
to hurt anyone. He really doesn't mean to hurt
anyone. But he is still a goblin. And sometimes
things happen. Cough, cough, electrocution or
whatever. Yeah. But yeah, I don't remember that
scene in Paddington. Where Paddington accidentally
kills a man? You didn't watch the director's
cut. Stop talking about spoilers. Oops. That's
episode one. Of Paddington? Nope. Episode two.
You don't remember Paddington in the Transformer?
Yeah, so Paddington and then I just love mechs
mechs are fucking cool. So cool Put a Paddington
on Mac and I'm sold. Yeah channel that very well.
I think that's like really good description Thank
you. Be I think Doug feels a little Baymax to
me. Yes And little big hero six action. I feel
like that's that's more Sean's doing than anything
else I I kind of just said like please do do
whatever you want with Doug Like I I don't feel
like I should have all that much control over
We oh god, can you imagine it can I be closed
ears? I don't want to offend you Okay, all of
you imagine having to listen to him make these
conversations between himself. I Don't want that
we be here forever. Yeah. No, no, I I would not
I would not shut Yeah, so it was it I felt it
felt right to just say like Sean do what you
will Doug and I'll be B .O .B. and really the
only time where I have say is like, OK, go over
here. I mean, he listens. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of you get to control his geographical
location. But you wanted a sentient thing that
talked back to you. You didn't want to have conversations
with yourself. And I think it's a really good
project because you are so uninhibited by logic
that Avi can make B .O .B. do whatever he wants
at any given time. But sometimes you opt to having
a conversation with Doug and that does free me
to just give you some short one word Like different
prompts. Yeah, it's a it's a good Mental exercise
not mental exercise because that sounds so prissy,
but yeah, can I say prissy? Is that offensive?
No, I think it's fine. I feel like it's maybe
not the right word though Like yeah, I feel like
I don't know. I just I sound yeah self -indulgent
self -indulgent in uppity when I yeah Pretentious
exorcist pretentious. Yeah. Yep. And really character
study of What it is is a lot of fun to have to
be like, oh thank god you asked a Chance to maybe
put this back under rails But in the same way
that um, I will sort of monkey paw you when you
make a wish to me Yeah, I know that there's a
gleam in your eye when I say something as Doug
hoping to push you in one direction and you go,
B .O .B. would interpret this differently. And
that's cool. It's really funny just the back
and forth because B .O .B. can tell Doug to do
something and Doug will respond and usually do
it. But in the same vein, Doug can tell D .O
.B. to do something. We will probably just do
it and be like, that's probably not a good idea.
Oh yeah, you're probably right. So yeah, they
have a wonderful back and forth like that. And
Garrison, I know you said that you had watched
Nosferatu, but you're kind of into the vampire
thing already. Yeah, just in general. I've seen
Castlevania. So like Alucard is another point
of reference because he's the son of Dracula.
The vampire lord is not like Dracula. but is
in some ways, I feel like, you know, a lot of
it is just gonna be inspired on other vampire
media, but I hope that we're creating something
like, or I'm creating, we are definitely creating
it, not just me, but. I was writing in my diary
already, and I'll stop. Garrison said I'm creating
the story of, no, we're creating the story of
everyone's character, and I think we're creating
something new with it. It's definitely like a
new angle, at least, too. Yeah, I really like.
I mean, obviously I like all of your characters,
but I think as far as. Potential depth vein is
like an open door, you know, and they kind of
all are because we haven't portrayed a lot on
the show, so we get to like really flex how the
audience gets to see how these characters are
going to develop. But I also love that a lot
of you here don't know where your stories personally
are going to go, let alone definitely not each
other's. And I'm excited for that. Certain elements
of veins backstory and this is a deep cut but
they're inspired by Gene Wolf's book of the new
Sun. There's a character named Severian or he's
the main character and sort of it There would
be a spoiler here, but no one is gonna know this
or imagine Get it out No, like if you if you
were able to like realize some things then you
would be like, oh That makes sense. Oh, but because
no one at the table knows someone knows your
obscure character and look at them Yeah, and
goes. Oh, okay. This might happen. That's fine
with me. That's not a spoiler. That's like Have
fun you fucking nerds I think eventually I could
be like here's exactly the element I took but
for now I'm just gonna open that I was inspired
by this book character. What's the book called?
Book of the new Sun. The first book is called
shadow of the torturer Go buy and read that book
so you can feel like you know more than people.
I'm gonna do that during our session today. No,
don't. You're not. You're gonna pay attention.
No, he can buy it. That's fine. Just don't read
it. Little did they know, we drop ship that book
on Amazon. We have full ownership of rights of
that book. This episode is now sponsored by...
Anyway, anyway. We've got... It's 7 .30 right
now. We're at 30 minutes in our recording in
about 20 seconds. We can wrap it up. Do we want
to do one more round of questioning get a quick?
Yes, I would love to go around the circle answering
Tim's question, which was character inspiration
Let's fucking go. Thank you. I mean mine's pretty
quick. I sort of already like I don't think that
I With pirates being as much of my funky little
special interest as they are I think Keela in
and of herself I really wanted to be from me
So I think the most like inspiration like one
-to -one character inspiration that I drew for
like Keela in her story is a lot of the side
characters so like Eddie Fisk picket sable. Those
are technically all my characters. I did create
them but Like my closest one -to -one, um, if
you've watched black sales Eddie Eddie is a pull
out of black sales She is my She's my and Bonnie.
Um cool but Other than that You know the the
older pirates that are sort of on the island
the sailors and stuff like that a lot of the
general I Guess personality of where she comes
from and her culture. I really did pull out of
deadliest catch sailors Just they're really like
crass abrasive You know at the end of the day
They will help each other. You know if if you
know Grain of salt. It doesn't happen all the
time But like they can be super shitty to each
other one day and still be brothers the next
Do you know at at the end of the day like they're
there to be a crew and look out for each other?
But a lot of like they're abrasive Attitudes
I did pull for the culture of benthos. But as
far as Keeley goes now that baby girl is all
All all me that's so cool. I love this Because
she had because she's so What's the opposite
of abrasive? Yeah, no, she is she is too for
sure But it's more of a she is a product of her
environment I just happened to create the environment
a certain way based off a point of reference.
Yeah, absolutely. That's fair I think that's
why I really enjoy our starting point in this
podcast is heavily starting with Keyla's Kind
of not backstory but backstory essentially little
little piece. Yeah, because it is very much alive
because you put a lot of time into creating that
so These characters these side characters all
feel very unique and tangible. They're not just
filler characters. These are actual people doing
their things. You guys are doing your things.
So I think that's just such a really cool place
to start. Is this where I say that you can find
all of the side content I've written for Keila
and her crew on Benthos on Patreon? Is this where
I put that in? Yeah, exactly. Because you can.
If you have that on Patreon before the third...
Done. The first? Done. Work well with a deadline.
Yeah, great. You can find sign content for Kila
and some of her crew members on patreon. Very
cool. That's awesome. Well, is that the first
patreon plug? Real one, I think I think cool
cool blink was Can I guess yeah? Blink to me
is really giving Finn from Adventure Time. That's
spot on. So Finn from Adventure Time with a little
bit of a dabble of Peter Parker, I think. Really?
I love that. See, my brain went to Aang Avatar.
Oh, you know what? I really do get a lot of Aang.
I think when I did the Air Genasi, that had a
lot of elements into it too. When I drew Blink.
Yeah, but Peter Parker is oranges and yellows.
Oh, did you? Yeah Yeah, because I wanted I wanted
a character that was Innocent, but also having
to face like resiliency to remain positive in
like a world that like he didn't really have
like the best past and stuff and He's a little
dorky so like and awkward So it doesn't get along
too great with people because everyone's like,
oh it's fucking kid over here And so he's very
Like alone, but trying to find himself and stay
true to himself. Yeah In the in the last episode
we recorded there was something for blink that
oh we met someone close to blink and That was
a good example of trying To remain good in the
face of of adversity in my opinion. Yeah And
that's exciting. Um Okay, that's cool. Kyle i'm
trying to yeah, I I I never I never had like
I think uh cut and dry these couple characters
were my inspiration but and Guess I guess I approached
it the same way that sometimes I will approach
some acting jobs to be honest with you and I
will think If I was in the audience watching
me, what would I want to see? What would I go?
Oh, that's a really good acting choice or that's
a really good kind of character idea or character
facet or things like that and so and and I guess
that also plays into like just General media
I consume I love the characters that are like
very unapologetically themselves and and kind
of self -serving in a way, but there's still
like that twinge of like I should do the right
thing I should a small part of me knows I should
you know, yeah so It's it's kind of a combination
of a lot of different things, you know, like
I said I like I like those kind of characters
that have some of the Parts of me that I do I
love I mean this is kind of Self -indulgent,
but I love John wick Like like then let me clarify
I love the story of John wick like I'm not that's
not like a joke because Like he gets hurt right
his wife is dead, and then they kill his dog
spoilers. Yeah fuck him That is like the start
of the first yeah, yeah, this is like first time
this and then he goes on the killing rampage
to get revenge You know what I mean? And I think
I don't know I definitely sometimes will think
I want to get revenge on like I I don't know
if anybody else really Has to deal or not deal
with but like thinks that like when something
bad happens I want to go like slash your tires.
I really do I'm not kidding. I'm that close to
doing it. I don't do it. I don't do it, but man,
you know, I don't know And it's not like that's
all consuming. You know, there's like little
parts of the thing like, well, what if I just
did what I'm thinking right now? You know what
I mean? I think it makes you a human being. Yeah,
for sure. For sure. I know. I think the amount
of times we've all threatened a car bomb on somebody.
Yeah, yeah, we get it. Yeah, you know, exactly.
So it's it's kind of a no car bomb. Hold on.
I want to hear this, but no carbon. I feel like
I don't know if Audrey, come here. Yeah, I talked
to you. Yeah. What's up? If we can't do car bomb
jokes, what the fuck are we doing? Making a Dungeons
and Dragons podcast. Audrey, I have to edit so
many episodes if we can't do car bombs. Audrey,
I think you need to go for a drive right now.
Now it all stays inside. Okay, that's fine. It
is worth it, it is worth it. I can't say I didn't
try. I'm going to wrap this up. What should I
say? Thank you for listening Start let's start
the next recording with an audio log of me like
getting in a car and starting Is that traumatic
probably let's not do that to the people that
had car bombs You're right anyone who's been
a car bomb before probably doesn't remember Robo
this part will This part I'll get rid of we can
get rid of it because I wanted to say one more
thing about Chris Oh, we said it earlier. I just
wanted to get it in there that we keeping we're
like much car bomb that we were like Chris is
like a character that belongs in the Guardians
of the Galaxy almost or like it's sort of like
rocket raccoon or Star -Lord maybe a combination.
Yeah. Yeah, I love the scene where Think it's
in the second one where he's like, okay. Here's
the things I need to break out of prison blah
blah blah blah and that guy's leg Star Lord get
the leg one actually and he's like I need that
leg to break us all out of here and then he and
then he Gets the leg and Rockets like you you
got the leg That's just hilarious, so I like
that a lot. Yeah, that's really good Chris encompasses
that I think. Definitely. Cool. Are we wrapping
it or are we one more questioning it? We are
at 40 minutes. How much do you like people? What's
the goal? Why not? What's the target time? I
would say like - 30 to 40 is what I said. If
it makes anybody feel - But we're gonna cut a
- you're gonna cut it out of this. Nah, I'm gonna
try not to edit these. That's my hope. If it
makes - You feel better. I don't really have
a hard out as much. I do I do tonight. Yeah Um
Okay, cool. We can wrap it then unless you want
to hear my one question It's one that we talked
about I was like, oh I was having fun listening
to that I would like an extra six minutes. Yeah
I feel like this is probably a good closer one,
too from the beginning of your character Where
you started with your character and your original
intentions for the character now that we have
What upside -down draft it was my original cool.
I love that for you From where your character
started and the original idea for your character
now that we have played, you know Seven or eight
episodes. Is there something that has sort of
fundamentally changed between your original intention
and actually Making it happen Key was a very
easy one for me. I really wanted her to be cooler.
Like I really I really tried for her to be just
so like Suave and like a little bit sexy and
there's a reason her charisma is a 20 and it's
because I really wanted her to just be this hot
Badass pirate, but the problem is is I'm not
cool like that and so when I got behind a microphone
and really started trying to Bekeela, she ended
up being a lot shittier. Did you go, how do I
drive this? Pretty much, how do I drive this
thing? How do I drive this thing? And so I sort
of had to change gears. I remember we were sitting
and editing episode zero and I had like a meltdown.
I had a meltdown and I started crying and I was
like, I'm the worst character in this podcast.
I am the worst character on this show. Like people
are going to turn it off because of me. And I
just sort of had to change my expectations for
who I wanted Keela to be. And I think she's a
lot more fun now that she is so unapologetically
shitty and the unfortunate truth about Mechanically
her having a 20 charisma is people just have
to be okay with it and like Her weird shittiness
is like very charming for some people and she
manages to get away with it And so it ended up
making her a more complex interesting character
Simply because I didn't know how to be cool.
I also think that like you are what I lovingly
will call bent those cool Yeah, that's true cool
is being kind of shitty Yeah, yeah that that
kind of breaks my heart a little bit because
like even though like Blink might have his issues
with Kela like from the beginning I felt like
Kela was such a fun and interesting character
to kind of break the mold of like your typical
D &D character She's a lot of fun now. She just
ended up being so different than I think my original
intention for her But she's more interesting
now. But we all have our moments. Sometimes you
cry a little bit. The whole time you were setting
it up, I was just waiting to hit you with a burn
of like, because you're not cool. And then you
did that to yourself. And I was like, fuck, now
I can't burn you. Yeah, I'm just a little too
geeky to be like that suave. A little too on
the nose with things, I think. Yeah, but yeah,
to piggyback on that note, Keela is far from
the worst character. I don't. I think there is
a worse character. I hope people don't think
that. I don't think so. I think everybody is
really good. And I feel, I do feel differently
about it now. You don't have to tell me I'm good.
I'm not gonna stop you from stoking my ego. Kila's
an amazing character. And it creates a lot of
interest within the group dynamics, especially
as they keep going on. Because she works. She's
crazy. She's a psychopath. Yeah, she works very
singular to her own objectives and everyone else
is just kind of is there But in the same way
it gives something to strive for for some characters
like like for biobi like biobi just wants Heal
it Do the right thing? And I think that's a really
interesting dynamic of like it gives me something
to do inward of the party So I love that character
that goes back to what Kyle is saying too about
like when you're watching a character or something
and seeing Them being entirely true to themselves.
Yeah, it makes one them feel more real but also
you kind of Fall in love with them because it
feels like a living breathing character. Yeah,
he does not apologize It's something that if
you listen for it, you'll notice she does not
apologize period. It's it's an intentional choice
Does anybody else have any other shifting characters?
Or it's like you started and you're like gotta
change gears gotta gotta figure out how to make
this work I mean, yeah for sure. I think I think
that like I started with one idea for something
and like Idea of how I wanted that to be portrayed
and then when you get in the situations with
characters that are very different than yours
You behave differently than you expect to from
the jump, but like that's still That stuff behind
the scenes is still like driving Your decisions,
you know, and it's and your character still authentic.
It's just maybe not exactly what you originally
imagine I find that really fun to just kind of
like sit there and be like, oh, yeah, why why
do I think this way or why would I choose that?
And, you know, sometimes you make that up on
the spot or sometimes you have to think about
it. But as long as you like. How do I say? When
you say think about it, you mean like... I made
a choice in the moment and now after the fact
I have to decide why Chris made that choice.
Why did he do that? Why would he justify that?
It helps you fill out your character. Because
you have to come up with an excuse as to why
this is either a one time lapse of judgment or
something he does all the time. I mean you can't
plan all that stuff out before you start playing
obviously. Some people try to. Finding those
things. Oh my gosh no. Finding those things along
the way is like way more fun. Way more fun. I
personally agree. I agree I'm on the same...
Same vibe of that because I'm like you started
us all out with individual scenes and those are
completely different than playing together Yeah,
then playing together because like I was like
vein is like he is fully just Existing in a vampire
world at one point, right? Like he could be a
Castlevania character at that point But then
when he's thrust into the other world that's
when his character actually enlivens up and be
like it's like a bit of like the response to
you guys is what makes Vein interesting at all.
Yeah, I guess is what I'm saying. So I feel like
I totally sure that's that's how vein changed
to is like just having to immediately be thrust
into the kilo point a gun in veins face and like
having to Me easily being thrust into kilo point
of a gun at veins face and having to Yeah, I
turned away from the mic for a second. Sorry
He saw me and Audrey glaring at each other Yeah,
and I appreciate it and Yeah, it's it's crazy
because like everything about your character
changes like and even you'll find oh I have a
motivation I didn't know I had Kind of a thing,
you know what I mean? And like that's maybe I
should hang on to that little nugget for a little
bit cuz that's a motivation or of driving force
that I hadn't planned on Incorporating but like
it's very interesting and it's very fun to chase.
You know what I mean? I've had that before I
think and what's the shortest version of this?
I played a bard in a game with you guys where
I wanted to be shitty and not care. But by force
of the group I was in, I was like, OK, I got
to care a little bit. None of you guys do. It
made me, you know, even though my character was
designed to not be that way, it was cool to be
in a situation where he was forced to be. Yeah.
Chris kind of goes to you're forced to. Into
creating a character arc you are being forced
through an arc. You know what I mean? Yep, which
is just good story. It's good. Yeah. Yeah, I
Think blink like originally when I was like planning
out his character was gonna be a little bit more
of a bro. I think yeah Yeah, a little bit like
a little quip year and like I mean believe me
I'm a bros bro. I get it but Like I from like
the moment Started playing like in the very first
session immediately. I just flipped that like
from the bat and then I just kind of went with
like I Don't know how I was feeling like playing
the character and then he just instantly molded
a little bit more into Childlike so you're saying
yeah session zero or session one? Ah Session
zero Yeah, because we did like a little like
test session almost that wasn't recorded and
in that one like I was We've been out and just
always it up. Oh The one where we were like and
with like the little Cupid guy or whatever. Oh
our icebreaker Session yeah, I'm trying to remember
because I don't remember someone that well from
oh, yeah So even in that one when I was playing
him like if he was a little bit more like trying
to take charge Yeah Nicknames for people and
stuff and then and then yeah, then we started
and then he was you think you're not trying hey
guys After the heist I feel like I see it a little
more I think I think he sees a path for himself
Now that he wants to go towards no matter what
okay, but not so much controlling the group and
what their choices are Do you think your vibes
when you hit episode zero with like you started
playing him and he was instantly like this softer
sort of? Character do you think any of it had
to do with? first session nerves Oh entirely
that like play played a pretty big hand and you
were like, well now I'm just this nervous character
I go. Yeah, I was I remember that first session
like I was shitty myself. I was nervous Yeah,
which is so silly because it's just us but it's
different. It is different than what we used
to playing we talked about Maybe talking about
the difference between these sessions and our
normal sessions and there's not too much Now
that we've got our feet under us and we've learned
that it's really not that different, it's not.
Anyone else have answers to that last question?
How do your characters change from, is it zero
to no or conception to no? Conception to no.
Mostly what was your intention for your character
and how did it change once you started playing?
I feel like I had a pretty good idea going into
B .O .B. of what I wanted. him to feel like when
I played him. And again, I did have the little
advantage of playing him once or twice beforehand.
But the thing that was really different and kind
of going into that question of like, does do
you play different or do is there a different
prep that goes into playing a recorded game and
playing with just your friends? B .O .B. I think
For me, I wanted him to be a little bit more
of that Idiot savant and I still think he holds
that in that like, you know charming way or whatever
But after session zero, I realized and even into
one I really can't hammer that That hard because
we'll just get stuck not doing anything like
he will understand what's happened as someone
editing the first two episodes A few of you just
the other night. I was like I have to cut parts
out of b. Obie because nobody couldn't possibly
be that stupid. Yes, you know like Taking using
conversations together takes b. Obie like 12
seconds at a time each time You know like what
and Yeah, no, the session zero, session one,
I think so. It was funny as fuck. I think a lot
of the playing it was a lot of me just like,
OK, I'm the nerves are there. So, oh, sure. I
need a little bit more time to come up with something
like right off the cuff. So I'm going to let
I'm going to let this funny bit run. Two three
And that while I'm thinking of the next thing
we love vamping Yeah, so and that's how I kind
of stall for time. That's what I do in everyday
life If I don't have I just kind of vamp and
install Kiela behavior. Yeah, the reason I hate
Kiela is because Kiela is just me now So yeah,
I had to really look at You know the film and
and like review the tape and say like yeah, you
know what like I and I think I even approached
you I was like hey Honestly, do you feel like
there's anything I can I should change and I
think you said no like you or you're like no
I like like I love what you're but I also had
to I kind of knew on my heart of hearts, you
know, like hey, you know, I if this character
is going to be doing adventures and going to
quests and Following along he's gotta at least
be able to follow along, you know So I turned
I definitely turned that knob. Yeah. Yeah bumped
him up a little bit more after that other than
that. No, I just Everything was kind of there.
I just knew that it's different when you're playing
with your friends. You can be as stupid as yeah
Fucking just yeah there to pass the time in a
way, you know So let's do it and and everyone's
gonna have a good laugh and everything and it's
gonna be fun But for something that's going to
be a product where someone has to sit there and
edit And someone and people are gonna listen.
I just felt like you know what? Mm -hmm. We respect
their tie with these bits. Yeah, I want to still
keep it funny, but not Burn people out on the
same bits over. Yeah, so that was my only like
tweak that I was like, yeah He can't and not
that he's not he isn't dumb because he is he's
naive and I won't Listenably dumb dumb and he's
very naive and I think that's part of the fun
for me is thinking like, okay What's the funniest
way I can interpret this? Yeah, I think get in
get out. I think you end up leaning on You fell
away from being like sort of repetitive and stuttering
and started leaning more on Restricted to goblin
goblin culture, right? Yes more like people bring
up things that you simply won't know about like
kindness Yeah, and you're like, what's that?
You know, that's a very repeatable line for BLBF.
What's that? What's that? Yeah, and I I like
that. I think that's a good form of innocence
and cluelessness because it comes from like,
I want to know more. Yeah, that was actually
one of those those additional thoughts I that
I had once I walked away, got away from the table
and really sat down with myself was just like,
he's not dumb. He is naive. And a lot of that
naivety comes from his upbringing. Yeah, he's
not a human, a genius raised by goblins. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah. So he's going to think of it in the
goblin form. Yeah. And that was that once I walked
into that thought, I was like, that's it. And
I can edit this out, but so if it's thought like
that where it is a genius but raised by goblins,
right? So he doesn't have education. He doesn't
have resources. So this is what we've gotten
from it. Do you see a path where B .O .B. is
just like smart actually? And loses this naivete
because he's learned everything, let's say. At
the end of the game or I think even now where
we are in this campaign you can start seeing
things kind of clicking a little bit faster because
he's it's assimilating into that though the world
so I do think there is a a BoB that is just Professor
BoB. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the brain is already there.
Yeah, just learning how to be a part of yeah
in the world Part of that world It's like if
Albert Einstein is reincarnated as a goblin.
Yeah, he still has to be a kid at some point
Yeah, you know what I mean or insert whatever.
Yeah, and if he's a German scientist, he goes
to school if he's a goblin he eats rocks Yeah,
but he still has the curiosity. Yeah. Yeah, exactly
So yeah, that's that's Billy. Um Very cool. Did
we? vein Did you answer this? Did I went first?
Yeah, I said she was supposed to be cooler. Is
it just you vein who hasn't answered or did you
answer? So veins answered so everyone's answered.
Yeah. Okay cool Veins and stresses were very
similar in it. Yeah, it's it's us about like
everyone answered individually and like let's
just talk about it Yeah, yeah, I like that. I
was more just agreeing with with yeah, I don't
think I had much more to say Yeah, I just wanted
to make sure everyone got their voices heard.
Yeah, very cool. Very cool Done with this? Yeah.
Cool. Listen to episode one, two, and all the
episodes that come after that if you want to
watch our characters change even more. Oh, yeah.
Beautifully done. Thanks. All right. Later. Bye.