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Who knows? I might wind up on the cover of Rolling Stone with a pair of shades and a

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Grammy in my hand. Just a blue jean boy in a great broke world of yes. I got my speech

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already in my head. Then I'll say, then I'll say, I'll say, thank you uncle Dean for teaching

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me La Bamba on guitar. Thank you girl from Broken Bow who shot narrow through my heart.

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Thank you mama for the role and thank you daddy for the rock. Most of all, most of all,

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thanks to the Bulls that buck me off. Yes, yes, man. What's going on Tim? Not too much

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manny. Oh man, this is crazy. I feel like I'm in Vancouver. I'm in Whistler. No, you're

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supposed to make it to Vancouver, but you never did. I'm coming one day. I'll be out

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that way, but you're here, which is great. And you just knock it in. We just, I guess

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just magically the DM's kind of lined up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you were just saying,

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mom, coming in for the weekend. Great. All right, let's sneak it in. And you just finished

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some shopping and now you're here and we're recording. Yeah. What a whirlwind. Thanks for

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opening up the show. I know it's what were you singing there? I didn't recognize it.

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It's Kip Moore, the bull country. No country boys. I know pound for pounds in the house

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man. Yeah. What do we want to talk about? Everything. I don't know framing, forming,

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building permits. Let me do the permits. Huh? Oh boy. This is interesting. Your website

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is actually pound for pound. So LB. Yeah. Yeah. LB for LB frame form.com. That's clever

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man. Yeah. I didn't know that pound for pound. Yeah. I totally dig that. And then Timmy at

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pound same way, pound for pound frame and forming or frame and for frame form.com. Yeah, you

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got it. And that's it. Right. How do you pronounce your last name? Sprag. Sprag. That's what I

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got. Yeah. Like the Toronto Jays pitcher. I don't know if you know him. No, I don't

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follow him. Back in the day. Unfortunately. That's way back in the day. Instagram is pound

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for the number of pound framers. Yeah. Thanks for coming man. Thanks for having me man.

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It's been a funny couple of years. I know we've chatted a number of times on Instagram,

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DM and shit like that. And now I always tell you and everybody else, here's my number call.

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Yeah. And you and I did. We've had a couple phone conversations and it was great man.

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We'll talk. That's all it is man. We all live in the construction life. We're all kind

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of going through a bunch of crap and shit. But yeah, work is good for you. Yeah, works

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good. You got a nice build going on out west man. Yeah, I got currently two builds going

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on. One's up in Wedgewoods. That's for a homeowner slash builder. And then I'm doing a second

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one in another subdivision called Alpine. Okay. And that's for actually a developer

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and he's not a true builder, but so how's the crew good actually just ramped up. I've

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been struggling to find guys as everyone last four years. Nobody wants to work or nobody's

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out that way. Yeah. Wish there's hard. It's a very like whistler's very transient. So

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like, you know, people come for a season and they screw off. So it's like they'll come

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for the winter and then maybe hang for the summer. They'll work for the summer and then

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kind of they'll leave. How are you getting all your work man? Still all word of mouth?

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So I kind of it's a lot. A lot of it's through connections I made within the industry before

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I went on my own. And like, I purposely did that I came up under a builder. And as I was

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his project manager, I purposely took the extra steps to like, you know, be the one

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emailing the architects, the engineers, the suppliers, like, you know, and my other formers

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like, Oh, you know, you don't get paid yet. But I'm like, Yeah, this is this is the, you

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know, this is the long game. I don't need to get paid now for it because the long game

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is these connections should last and bring in money in the future. When I tell you that

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man, like, how are you? Or is that your thought process? That was just my thought process.

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How young are you again? How young? She 30. I'm a 92. So yeah, dude, I was out of high

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school three years already. Could be your dad. Yeah. No, I just like it's funny how

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I see a lot of these young guys like yourselves, man, like pure talent. Yeah, just pure talent,

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understanding the game, understanding how to how to how to work the construction industry.

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Right. But obviously there's there's like ups and downs, but but you're still working

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the industry, right, which is really good. You're being smart about it. I totally have

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spoken about this as you've heard so many times. You guys, you younger guys are actually

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tackling it a lot better than the older guys did when they were getting started. Yeah.

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Right. Which is good to see that. Right. But yeah, that's why I was just trying to because

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I know you got some good stuff going on in the work and I was just trying to figure out

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where you're getting all from and connections are smart. Yeah, like a lot of it's from that,

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but then, you know, social media has been a big thing too, you know, but social media

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is more, you know, they very know the name and then social media is more of a portfolio.

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It's kind of like out there in the open. Yeah. Word of mouth. Whistler's a pretty small,

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pretty small town and there's a lot of work with not enough people to do it. So it's always

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going to be the case. No. Yeah, Whistler. Yeah. Whistler's a we call Whistler a bubble

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because, you know, even when you guys, I know I wasn't building really at that point, but

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when was it 2007 recessions? Yeah. 2008, 2008. Well, what happened in 2010 in BC, the Olympics.

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So monster. Yeah. So like 2006, 2007, 2008 Whistler's never slowed down. Wow. Right. Even

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now it's it's crazy as ever. But the work is good. Yeah. And pay is good. Yeah. And clients

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are good. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, it's a, you know, I've always said we're really blessed

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to build in Whistler because of what we get to build the clients we get to build for because,

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you know, it were the projects are, you know, there's quite a bit of money involved. So

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for me, they're a lot more fun, fun to build than, you know, some track homes or something

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like that. No, you don't want to get I mean, how are the clients are they involved at your

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stage they're coming in, they're checking it out, they're part of it or no.

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I built where, you know, the client was overseas, never saw him. I've also built for clients

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who are on site every two days and they wanted to, you know, they want to clean up, they want

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to help out, you know, so it ranges. That's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It depends. It depends.

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Sometimes, you know, those clients, you know, they showed up for concrete pour once and,

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you know, right. That's kind of where I don't like you're in our way. Get out or you know,

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you know, what's the saying like, you don't need to see how the sausage is made as long

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it tastes good at the end. Right. I like that. So, you know, concrete pours, they get pretty

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intense. So like, you know, that's not a that's not a teaching day. No. And like, you know,

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just, you know, yeah, I forget what happened. I had like a spacer block and it fell in a

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form and it was 12 feet down the form and there was an exposed wall and I was like swearing

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and cursing. I started ripping the form apart. The clients are there like, Oh, what's going

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No, this is concrete pouring.

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It's fine. This is a typical concrete pour. Yeah. Yeah. When did you get started, man?

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I know we talked about it, but I mean, I want other people to know. So it's like, you're

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a kid in my eyes, you're still a kid, right? You're a kid, man. And so I mean, why, why

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did you choose construction? Why did you choose framing? Why did you choose forming? Why, like,

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why did you get into this world?

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I guess it kind of just fit the lifestyle, to be honest. I moved out West just after

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high school. I had a little bit of carpenter experience just doing Rinnos and stuff for

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a guy back here. And where was it?

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Anyways, just outside Newmarket.

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So I had did that for a couple of summers and then I moved out there and I just wanted

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to be a ski bum, actually. So I was, you know, applying at every dishwasher job so I could

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work nights and ski every day. Couldn't get a job because I had no experience.

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Nobody would take you on?

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No, because at that point in Whistler, it was like, it was actually opposite as now.

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There was like job fairs. So like you'd line up to get a to get a dishwasher job. There'd

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be 20 guys in line with a resume in their hand.

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That was 12 years ago. Now it's like the complete flip. But anyway, so I basically lived for

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a month and ran out of money. And there was a bunch of construction ads in the paper.

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And I said, Oh, well, I got experience. E-mailed a couple was on site the next day working

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They didn't know much. You're just learning as you got.

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Yeah, I was like, I was a straight, you know, I'd done Rinnos for two years, I think. And

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that's about it.

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But you were up front and forward with them telling me.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I started as a laborer kind of thing. Right. Yeah. That

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was it. Just a laborer. And then, uh, yeah, I came up, I worked for a big, big company

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in Whistler. It wasn't really my cup of tea. Uh, there's huge, uh, cost plus builder.

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And it was kind of, you know, you were just a number and, you know, uh,

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Did you feel it?

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What?

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Like you felt that you were just a number.

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Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And there was more of just a money making machine. And I don't know.

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I like big customs. I like to be the, the, in the middle of kind of like efficiency track

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building and custom, like high on custom building. I like to marry the two. And that company,

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I kind of found there was a lot of like hands in your pockets, walk around, sweep the room

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three times. And you know,

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Were you just making mental notes of what my business is not going to be like?

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Yeah. Yeah. I think so. And at that point, I wasn't really sure what I was going to do.

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Cause you know, and thankfully my dad kind of like, you know, I didn't know what I was

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going to do. And my dad kind of pushed the trades actually. He was like, well, why don't

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you go be a carpenter or get into the trades? If, Hey, if you don't like it, get your ticket,

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it never goes away. Exactly. You know, in 10 years, Hey, if you're not a carpenter anymore,

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that's a skill that you'll always have. It doesn't matter that it's not your career.

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You could build your own house one day. Yeah, exactly. Or if you're getting your own house

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built, you at least know a bit more. Yeah. Right. So it made a lot of sense. Yeah. So

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that stuck with you. Yeah, exactly.

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How's the rest of the crew? Is it the same kind of thing? I mean, who's the youngest

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on the crew and who's the oldest on the crew? You're not the oldest. I'm the youngest. You

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are the youngest. Yeah. Are you serious? I think so. Oh, no, I just, I actually, that's

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a lie. I just hired on a new Aussie guy and he's 23.

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With the madness of lumber over the last three years, dramatic costs and uneven ground forms,

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shit excavators can get away with murder. Just let fast foot by fab form in or out on

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your screenboards. It acts as a capillary break, preventing moisture from getting into the

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home through the footings. And it allows tradespeople to form any depth of footing with just two

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by fours. Don't forget about all the time saved in just simple acts as moving forms

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around the job site, cutting, striping and disposal. Find them at triple W fab hyphenated

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form.com and follow them on IG at fab form industries.

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But he's a baby. Yeah. But I'll tell you, I don't know. I don't know if you ever work

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with many Aussies. No. They're hard workers, man. Like I found all the guys who come over.

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But I think, I think, I don't know if you've had a podcast, but I was listening to a podcast

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from the Aussie builder before. I don't know if it was on here or not, but well, it was

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quality, right? But technically his mom was from there and then he took the name and made

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it. Yeah. So those are Australian connection there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. And I've

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heard like Oz does a lot more fixed price. Right. So it's the trades are, I don't know,

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they seem to have a little more hustle there. They do. Yeah. Yeah. So the guys from from

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Oz always seem to be pretty like, I'd also say there's a little bit more respect for

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the trades. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would say Oz, the guys in trades are held to like a higher

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standard. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. And I know a lot of guys that came from Ireland

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or even Europe that made their way through Australia and then eventually to Canada and

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they had that mindset. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. So he's, he's a, you know, I haven't

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hired anyone younger than me in a long time and he's actually, it's great. He's a ticket

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to carpenter in Oz. A 23. A 23. And he's good. He's good. And his dad, yeah, he's,

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you know, his, he came from a long, his family's all in the trades. His dad and his grandpa

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both ticketed carpenters in Oz. So he's swinging a hammer and diapers. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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He'll be swinging a hammer and diapers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Still in diapers.

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But to be honest, that was, it was a big breath of fresh air, man. I haven't seen that. And

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you know, like I said, mostly everyone else is older than me. And yeah.

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Is it, is it Tim? I gotta ask you, is it, is it nice to, and listen, I've gone through

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this shit too. You lose the love for the business, man. You lose the love for the industry,

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but it's nice to get that love again. Right. And it's just how do you, how do you handle

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that, man? Cause we all go through it. It ain't all glitz and glam. A lot of the kids

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coming into the industry, they see the gram and they think it's all glam. And it's not.

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No, definitely not. There's ups and downs, right? So it's just like, you got to write

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it and trust me, man, there's a lot of shit that I haven't shared and there's shit going

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on. That's all it is. But I mean, like it's nice to get back up. You know what I mean?

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It's not, it's, it's, it's hard to stay down, but it's nice to get back up. Right. Yeah.

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Yeah. You know, I think it's like anything in life. It's, you know, it's an emotional

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roller coaster, right? But, you know, I, I try to, you know, when you're, we built the

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roller coaster, by the way. Yeah. That's, it's out of wood. Like that old, what's the,

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what's the old wood roller coaster at Cannes Wonderland? The Ghostbuster? No, the beast.

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Is it? Is it still there? Oh yeah, it's gotta be. It's gotta be. Somebody built it. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it's, yeah, it's definitely has its ups and its downs, but you know, I

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don't know. You got it, you got it, you got to endure the downs to be able to, you know,

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appreciate the ups, right? It's like the saying, you know, I don't know, not to be cheesy, but

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you know, if it, you know, if it never rained a sunny day when it feels sunny, right? And

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I think when you're in the depths of it and you're in it, you just got to remind yourself

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that. Yeah. And like, you got to remind yourself that it, you're, the, the down doesn't last

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forever or the, the, the shitty time doesn't last forever. It's, you're gonna, you're gonna

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come up from it, right? And that's what you got to hold on to you rather than, because

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I find you can also get stuck in the cycle, you know, when you're in, you get down and

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you get, you know, oh, am I doing this? Nothing's working. And then that kind of just, it's

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a vicious cycle that keeps like, right? So you got to break it. But I think it's, I don't

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know, it's like anything in life, right?

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You ever pinch yourself, man? I mean, I'm seeing some of the posts that you've shared

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and I'm envious of job site, your office. Yeah. And you're like, it ain't filtered to

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death to, by the way, that, that's like mother nature filter there. And you're seeing these

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beautiful images in your envious because that's a homeowner is going to be living that. And

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that's their, that's their view that they're going to see when they wake up, go to sleep

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and whatever. And you're like really envious at that point. You ever stand there, you're

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working and pinch yourself with a crew, pinch themselves and go, this is nice, man.

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Yeah, man. I like it. It's, it's crazy. I've been in West Sufer, like I said, I think

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11 years now almost. And yeah, on the job site is every day, you know, we still, we'll

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sheet of floor and we'll stand over to boys and we look out where like pretty fucking

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rad. Hey, you know, and even, even my drive to work, like going up to 99 on the highway,

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when you're driving to work in the morning, it's like, still never gets old, man. You

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look around Glacier Lake, mountains coming out in the background. It's not so bad.

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Not a bad idea. Everybody was working on Ontario to make their way out West.

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Yeah. Well, hey, I'm always hiring, but you just need to find a place to live. That's

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the crux.

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Build it. Build a place and just kind of, that's expensive.

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Yeah, especially in West Sufer. There is a lot of, a lot of companies and actually,

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you know, more of the bigger builders, they actually have all, they've acquired staff

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housing because that's like they purchase houses.

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Because they know. Yeah. Yeah. Like right now, like that young guy just hired, he doesn't

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have a place to live. He might have to go back if I can't find him a place to rent.

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What is this government rules bullshit?

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No, no, it's just, no, you just can't find a place to live.

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Oh, yeah. Whistler, like it's, you know, whistler's worse than Toronto.

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The rent is insane.

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Yeah. And there's, there's no supply because everyone, everyone does there is they either

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Airbnb or they're,

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They can't maintain that. Yeah. Or they, or they got so much money that, you know, basically

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they don't care. Their house basically, a lot of the houses in Whistler, you know, I

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would say probably 60, 70% are vacant for 70% of the year.

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That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. $5 million homes. They'll use it. They'll use it for their Christmas

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vacation. Maybe they'll come out once a year.

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What is the wealth coming from? Like what is it? It's not mostly Canadian wealth. No,

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it's a lot of offshore, right?

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Yeah. A lot of offshore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of offshore. There is, there is a bunch

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of Canadian wealth. And like I said, Whistler's a bubble because Whistler's a resort destination.

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Yeah. You have like Whistler and you have Aspen, right? And the who's who, you know,

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like, you know, Gene Simmons has a house in Whistler, like name, name, name a celebrity.

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They go. You have a house there. It's kind of a status thing too, right? So that's what,

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and because of that, there's, you know, we have a, what's called Whistler housing authority.

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So it's actually a segregated affordable housing for rental and buying for locals who work

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there. So you basically have to prove that you work and you work in Whistler for, I think

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it's over a year or something like that. Okay.

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And then you can get on, basically it's a waiting list. And so it's all rent controlled

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and all, all the, sorry, all the prices of the homes are controlled also. This is a smart

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move. Yeah. But there's, but the crux is like, for a person like me or you, Manny, a home

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is an investment that we want to build and gain equity on and be able to rent out and

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you can't, but you can't, you can't start it. So that's the crux though, because, because,

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because you can only charge, I forget with the actual percentage, but the rate can only

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go. So say you do an $80,000 rental on the house doesn't mean you can't charge. And when

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you go to sell it in two years, you don't get that money back. So the biggest issue

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with the Whistler housing authority is a lot of these homes don't get touched. So they

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get, they get run down and you know what I mean? And for someone like me or you to buy

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that is kind of like,

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And, and like, even if you have to spend money to fix it, you don't get the money back out.

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So it's like, yes, it's more affordable, but then you're still not really getting your

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foot in the door and an investment kind of standpoint and as a home owner, if that makes

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sense.

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So are you getting ahead of the game or is the game kind of just becoming too big and

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too difficult now, man? I mean, it's not just you. There's lots of tradespeople that are

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struggling as well too, right? Like it's just, they're trying to work earn a honest

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living. But obviously we're seeing that Canada is not the cheapest place to live or even

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set up or get started. And then you're trying to provide and you're trying to just get things

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done. And it's hard, man. So it's like, you get these kids coming into the business trying.

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I'm sure that it was a slight wake up call for the Aussie guy to come here and realize,

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wait a minute, that's how much it's going to cost.

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Yeah, he's always going off even about like how much food costs and stuff like that. Because

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whistler is crazy for everything. It's even more expensive.

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Is even more, wait, the more important question, are tools more expensive out there?

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Yeah. Well, in Whistler, I don't shop in Whistler. That's for sure. We have a lumberyard. It's

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crazy. I hate the Rona. Hate you, Rona. And this show is brought to you by Rona. No, it's not.

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That's okay. So they're just gouging. That's all. Opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. And, but I don't know.

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That's why, like I just said, I just came from Atlas there, machinery, but normally I order

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all my tools from them. Really? Yeah. Because it's just too expensive over there.

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Not even expensive. It's just selection. Like we have a KMS and we have a Summit tools. I'm

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sure you have those out here too. KMS Summit? Summit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But actually KMS is a

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BC brand, I think, actually. Okay. But they're similar, but they're just not quite the same level.

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You know, I run a lot of Makita and stuff and like their XGT, the new 40 volt selection out

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what like I can't find anything. Really? Yeah. No, you can get your like your normal stuff,

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your impact, your seven and a quarter, your drills, but you know, all that, you know,

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like I just picked up the cordless 14 inch cutoff saw or like, you know, the 10 and a quarter.

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Did you get the Makita cooler oven? No, I didn't. I see. I've seen that though. I've seen it too.

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We have a legit or is that like fake? No, it's legit. It's legit. Yeah. It's legit. The cooler is

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legit. But the oven? Well, I don't know. But the microwave oven? I know it's an actual oven.

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No, I don't know. It's like cooler. Easy bake? Like easy bake? Yeah. Like that. I seen a guy put

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a chicken in there, man, and cook it. And I'm like, is this really legit? I don't know if this is

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legit. I don't know. I wouldn't put it past Makita. Yeah, I wouldn't. That's the thing about it, right?

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So probably just they tested it with duck, I guess, or something like that. Yeah, yeah. I'm saying

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the Asians. Yes, I get it. I understand. Okay. Send your letters to I don't care.

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I want to ask you construction bone, man. What's your biggest construction bone to pick right now?

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Oh, there's a lot. I was just looking for one. My biggest one.

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I guess my biggest, I don't know, my biggest construction bone, I think, is probably

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people not understanding actually what it takes to do what we do.

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Good one. Right. Even, you know, builders and clients and even people in the industry, you know,

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when I quote projects and builder comes back, oh, like, and I go over, I'm like, well, you got 36

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hold downs, I got six Simpson shear walls, I got 40,000 pounds of steel, like, you know, I mean,

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it's not, you know, I'm not framing a simple, simple box. You need a professional here. Yeah,

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yeah. And it's like, you know, here with, you know, row houses, it's like, yeah, you need a seven and

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a quarter and a nail gun and away you go. Right. Like, you know, I have two 16 inch beam saws. I

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have three chain saws with head cutter base plates on them, mag drill, like, you know, it's, it's

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insane. And you need to know how to be efficient. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And the crew and everything

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at that. Right. Yeah. Just take it with you. I just kind of follow it. One day I'm going to start

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nightmares where I just the mics are everywhere. Right. Word if anybody's carrying all my

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conversations. No, no, you're running like you're running a tight ship. You're running

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everything properly. You understand what it is. Plus you're also, you're running a business. And I

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love that recently we had Sam say that he's not running a dot org. He's actually a profit company.

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And he's not in there just for making, you know, breaking even, he's actually in it to make money.

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Yeah. Everybody that does a good job and they're skilled, they're in it for making money.

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Yeah. Of course. So it's like, you've got a lot of overhead that's going on to produce what you

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need to produce based on what's been drawn. Yeah. So you've hired somebody or you've, I guess the

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clients start off with this architect. They have no problem spending all that money on the architect

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designing this design that's really challenging for you. It depends. It depends. They still like,

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that's what it anyways, I find a lot of people end up actually cheaping out on their architectural

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sets. So then what they have that lovely rubber stamp that says as per contractor on site kind

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of bullseye. Exactly. You have to figure it out. Yeah. And like this last one, like I said,

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he's a homeowner builder, good guy. He's actually a buddy, somewhat of a buddy, but he's doing it

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himself on a homeowner, but he's trying to save any, you know, I got the plans and I'm like,

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why is everything to drywall? He's like, oh, I didn't want to get like the final construction

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set because it was an extra 15 grand. And I was like, he's a buddy. So I'm like, okay.

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So you're missing a piece of the puzzle. Yeah. Yeah. So basically I went and I just redid all

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the measurements on plan using blue beam. So now you got to work harder. It's not part of your scope.

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Yeah. But for that project, it's okay because because he's a homeowner builder,

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I told them we're going to do this hourly because I'm going to basically have to do a lot of the

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builder's job for you. As long as he understands that. Yeah. And he's totally chill with it.

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So basically he's going to end up spending that 15k. Yeah, more or less, but like, you know,

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whatever makes you feel better and sleep better at night, if you think you save some money, kind of,

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I find like a lot of clients, you know, where are they spending the money to? What do you mean?

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Like clients, where are they still hanging onto the red knobs and spending all the money on the

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finishing crap? Yeah. I mean, is that what it is? They're trying to save as much on the front end

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for the back end. Yeah, pretty much, you know, everyone wants a wolf stove and they want, you

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know, they want a 48 inch fireplace, double glass, see through both sides. They want, you know,

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a 10 foot triple slider door and, you know, right, big walk-in closet. And they want all

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that shit to fall down because it wasn't structurally put together properly. Yeah. They don't

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consider that cracks, cracks and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I just, I just find.

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Yeah, like you realize that you could hold your own with an engineer, right?

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Oh, I do. I know. Oh, I just let everybody know. Oh, so I'm saying is that you don't have the seal.

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Yeah, you don't have that schooling. Yeah, you don't have their experience, but you could hold

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your own. Yeah, so, but this is comes from what I touched on before, man. He is when I went,

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when an engineer came to site for like, you know, when I do my framing inspection, I do my,

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basically they come to site like three times. I do a footing inspection, see the engineer,

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I do my wall inspection, see an engineer, then they come back basically. Someone will come

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like mid frame to go over some stuff. If I'm going to, if I'm going to bury it, I'm like, hey, why

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don't you come through when I'm at the second floor? Cause I'm going to bury a bunch of this steel,

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do do do do, but then normally it's just a framing inspection. But I know when they come,

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my point is coming back to before I said I had made those connections. It was the same with the

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engineers. I would, I would make a point they're going to come to site. I'm going to use every

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minute of their time. I'd have like a list of 50 questions. Hey, why did you design the tails like

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this? Hey, why is the steel beam like this? Hey, hey, what's, why is this beam that and that beams

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that? You know, and that's where you get information when they're like, Oh, actually, you know, the

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engineer, so just off top of my head, it's like a three and a half by 11 and seven eighths PSL

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can bear bear and carry the same weight as a nine, nine and a half by five and a quarter. So

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they're interchangeable three and a half, 11, seven, eight, nine and a quarter. Sorry, nine and a

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half by five and a quarter. Right. Like I said, you could hold your own with an engineer. So what

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I'm trying to get at. Yeah. And I've actually, I don't know. I've always thought like, you know,

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if I won the lottery, get into that world, I'd go, I will, I'd go get my engineering degree. I'd go

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get my architect seal. And I just, I'd draw all my own projects and build them. I still frame them.

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That's like, I guess, would you argue with yourself on stuff that you, oh, for sure.

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And I probably tell myself I was dumb and why didn't I give myself a measurement here and

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leave 10 alone. He's on the hill there. No, he's just having a conversation with the architect

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and the engineer. But wait a minute. There's only one person up there. It's exactly up there yelling

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at myself. But yeah, so, uh, but it's like plenty of opportunities on a job site for any

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trace person to learn. Take advantage of the opportunity there, man. Yeah, 100%. You've got

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these other people that are smarter than you ask them. Yeah. Yeah. And like, I don't know. I always

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took carpentry as like, well, okay, when I moved to Whistler, I was like on this train, I wanted to

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be a pro athlete, a pro skier, right? And that kind of dwindled and then carpentry came in.

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But then when carpentry came in, I treated it the same as like trying to become a pro athlete.

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Smart. Right. And it's like, the more time and the more effort you put in, you know, it's,

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it's, when we say dirt biking, it's saddle time. The more time in the saddle, the better you're

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going to be. So, you know, like, you know, and, and I'd even be like that kind of like, I wouldn't

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want to take time off work because it would be a gap. Like I'd always, you know, I'd always

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wanted like, Oh, no, I can't miss a week because then I'm a week behind. Yeah. The thing, right?

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You're missing out more opportunities. Yeah. And then, and that's the same thing on what,

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when I was on site, like I said, with the engineer, I asked him any questions I could my

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foreman, you know, they, they, they fucking hated me because I was annoying as shit.

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Hey, why is this like that? Hey, why is that like that? Hey, hey, hey, you know what I mean?

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So, because you care, they didn't really care that much, right? They just punched in the clock.

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Yeah. Yeah. A lot of guys do, they just punch the clock and, you know, but, but it's hard because

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you come to this like, there's, there's also a balance, right? Yeah. You know, and like,

376
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I still had, I still need to find that balance. Like, and I think, I don't know, with me, I,

377
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I get hyper focused. So like, I don't know. I'll be in like the misses. We'll, we'll know. Like, I'm in

378
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work mode for like three months, like three months. Yeah. Like three months. Like every night I go.

379
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Because of the project. Yeah. Yeah. You're consumed by it. Yeah. You're trying to problem solve stuff

380
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that's been built or going to be built. Yeah. And then kind of, I don't know if you've noticed,

381
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but kind of once like Christmas hits, we always try to kind of like Christmas, January, we're

382
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kind of try to be closed in and then we back frame and I'll have the boys go and do some siding and

383
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slab prep and all that. And then that's kind of when I step back, I take a breather, you know,

384
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,880
engineering is past, muni inspection, all my framing inspections passed. So now it's just,

385
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,080
you know, just lasers and backframing, easy stuff, right? Window prep, put it in windows,

386
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:21,000
like that's all, you know, cake. Yeah. From a mental standpoint, like, as long as you put the

387
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RO there in the right place and it's the right size and the window goes in, right? So at that

388
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point, you can kind of just how are the inspectors out West? It's good. So in Wedgewoods, that one

389
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:38,760
I'm building, it's actually a different muni than Whistler. So there's SLRD, which is Squamish,

390
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,040
Lilalette Regional District. And then there's the Whistler RMO resort municipality of Whistler.

391
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:50,760
So that it's really 15 minutes away, but it's in a different muni. Okay.

392
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,160
The SLRD deal with a lot more of like rule and they're like pretty spread out. So they're okay

393
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:04,680
to deal with, they're pretty good. The Whistler muni is like a pain in the butt. Are they? Oh,

394
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,840
yeah. And it's hard like even a particular reason. It's more just they're understaffed,

395
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,400
like I've probably here, it's you know, for a permit, you're talking six to nine months

396
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:23,080
for a permit. It's insane. If it's drawn, submit it correctly. Yeah, like six months of it,

397
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:29,000
there's no revisions. Wow. Right. But there's always room. I've never, I've almost never had a

398
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:35,080
project come back without having to go through muni once or twice. So how long can it get a year?

399
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,160
Yeah, over a year. Wow. There's been one I bid a year and a half ago.

400
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,320
How are you looking at that? How are you juggling that? What's the commodity? Everything's a

401
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,320
commodity these days. So all of a sudden you got a price, but your price is good for what?

402
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:54,440
Yeah. Well, yeah, exactly. My price is like contingent on a two month period when I give it.

403
00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:01,000
And more so how I kind of do it. The builders have come to me before permit and they want a quote.

404
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So I basically give them a rough, a rough quote to get them kind of to make their budget and their

405
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timeline. And then they submit to permit. And then I come back and we revise everything. And you

406
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:18,120
know, I'm within within 20, 20% of what I first said. But you know, some things do change. It's

407
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,840
like this one I'm doing. There was like, almost there's a bunch of steel added in the roof. Now

408
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,480
there's a bunch of cantilevered steel with one inch thermal break plates and like, you know what I

409
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,920
mean? So it's like, well, your structure changed, the price is going to change. Let me do a little

410
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,680
history and construction here. BC stuff. I don't even know if you know this stuff, but maybe I do.

411
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:50,440
Abbotsford. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So the biggest home in BC. Any idea? It is a 2944458th Avenue in

412
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:57,400
Abbotsford. That kind of makes sense. There's a lot of there's a lot of like farm farm designations.

413
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So they're on huge lands and they'll build like crazy 47,000 square foot cathedral like front

414
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entrance to a grand dining room, spacious conservatory and tunnel that leads to the serpentine pool.

415
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:17,960
And it's basically a farmhouse. Yeah. It's wild. There's a there's a few of those out that way

416
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,720
because it's big farmland and open space and and beautiful scenery. Yeah. Yeah. Who owns the

417
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:29,320
Canada's most expensive house currently right now? Actually, this is back in no, no, no, this is now.

418
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:35,960
Yeah. I don't know. Chip Wilson founder of Lulu Lulu LEM man. Oh, yeah. The house is located on the

419
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,960
famous Golden Mile and is the most expensive home in Canada. It was designed by the well known

420
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:47,880
architect Russell Hollingsworth and built in 08 who has the biggest house in Canada.

421
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:54,280
Peter Grant, multimillionaire owner of the Grant Forest Products Corporation. You get a lot of wood

422
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,400
from them. Yeah. began work on his dream home way back in 2005. He made it his forge. He made his

423
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,200
fortune in wood after setting up his company in 1980 and soon became North America's third largest

424
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:11,000
supplier of orient orient his strand board who owns the most properties in Canada, which one entity

425
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,880
owns the most properties in Canada. It's got to be a who's that it's got to be a corporate. I want

426
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:21,960
to say Omni group, but no, they're the lovely government of Canada. Oh, really? Yeah. They

427
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,640
own 90% of this land on this country. Oh, that makes sense. Right. So we have a lot of land. Yeah.

428
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:33,560
And there's not a lot of homes on the land, but they own 90% of it. Makes sense. Makes sense. So

429
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,440
there you go. Little history and construction, man. I'm so glad that you're here, man. Seriously.

430
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,680
Yeah. Yeah. I've been itching to get you on the show forever. Yeah, we've been talking for a long

431
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,440
time. I don't I'm trying to remember. I don't know when you first reached out to me or whatever,

432
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:52,120
but it's been years. Yeah, four years at least for sure. And I only respect what like, you do

433
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,240
everything right. You fucked up. Everybody fucks up. It's just part of it, right? But you do everything

434
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,360
right. And speaking back to the valleys and hills and well, that kind of crap is that you go through

435
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:08,280
bad, you come through good. That's all it is, man. Exactly. Yeah. What's your take on the future

436
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:15,320
construction? Well, you ever think about it? You ever ponder it? To be honest, no, not really.

437
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,800
You don't think about it? No, I focus on psych fucked. You can't look at that.

438
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,680
It's like next week's big enough. It's like as long as I got four days figured out and I feel like

439
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:32,680
I'm not burning to the ground. So I don't know as long as I kind of know what's happening next week,

440
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:38,120
that's about as far as I kind of get how many guys on the crew right now. There's me

441
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:45,480
plus five. So six of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was only that in the winter is just me me and one

442
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,400
other one to tighten it. I don't know why that Mike's been acting up lately. I don't know what

443
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,080
happened. Who touched that mic? It was a me when I was doing zoom calls. Probably.

444
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:02,920
Yeah. Sorry, what we're seeing? The crew. Oh, yeah, the crew. Yeah, up until the winter is like

445
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,720
basically me and Marco. That was it. Yeah, just me and Marco. And that was that was pretty much it.

446
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:14,600
And then I don't know. I'm like a I'm a pretty big believer in in, I don't know, natural selection

447
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,720
or fate. So I've always, you know, thought about, oh, I want to get bigger. But it's like, well,

448
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:24,840
if the guys come, then I will. And four guys kind of messaged me all at once. I said, yeah, yeah,

449
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,760
yeah. And then that second project kind of lined up with the other one. And I was like, okay,

450
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,760
let's do it. Do you need to get bigger? No, you don't need it. No, I don't need to get bigger.

451
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,520
You got two really good jobs going on right now projects. And then obviously you're going to

452
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,920
have other projects coming along as well too. Yeah, I think where we're at, I'm like super happy.

453
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,360
And, and, you know, I think it's a good sized crew. And we can kind of do the amount of work I

454
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,480
wanted to do in a year. And, you know, we can actually get stuff done. Before is just mean one.

455
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:59,400
It's, it's, it's just me one guy. So like, you know, it takes us twice as long almost, right?

456
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,600
I sometimes see the downfall specifically of framers. They get too big too fast.

457
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,280
And they have too many crews going on at the same time. And then the work suffers.

458
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,520
Yeah, of course. It's almost the same recipe over and over for that. Right. So I guess that you

459
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,120
guys are thinking in your back head, do I really want to do that? Do I want to go there? But

460
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,440
it doesn't look like the economy is going to change that much out West.

461
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:24,520
No, I don't think so. And, and like I said, I kind of waiting for it naturally, like I'm kind of

462
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,320
doing two at once right now, but they're, they're staggered and like stages and they're going to

463
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,160
be waiting because the one in wedges is actually a SIPP panel construction house. So we're not even

464
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,400
doing site walls. So it's, so it's a lot easier for us frame and I'm just waiting for the, I'm

465
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:43,480
going to, I'm going to do all the SIPP installation. Yeah. For that. Yeah. There's some of that stuff

466
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,360
going on here. Yes. SIPP's I've done SIPP. So I built for two years, I built bone structures.

467
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:55,080
Did you like it? I hated it. Thank you very much. I'd say the same thing. I've never touched it. I

468
00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:01,640
looked at it on paper and I've checked it out. There's faults. Huge faults. Yeah. Huge faults.

469
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,720
So when I start seeing huge faults, I'm like, I don't know if this is a good idea. Yeah. It's,

470
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:12,680
it's super expensive. So for the structure, I think you're going to look at almost 60% more

471
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:18,760
expensive. That much? Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. Wow. Yeah. Well, I think of the price of steel,

472
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,720
it's gone all up now. It's insane now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they had, we had big issues because we

473
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:28,200
did them in Whistler and then because there's steel structures, then the Muni came back and they

474
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,200
were like, Oh no, like we actually needed to be designed under commercial. It can't be designed

475
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,160
under part nine because there's steel. So then we had to go back and then because they're commercial,

476
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,320
we actually, we ripped a bunch of drywall out of the ceilings. We had to put gusset plates on all

477
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,360
these metal joists and like, it was insane. What a nightmare. Yeah. And then they all, all the,

478
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,920
all the bone structures, they need to be sprinkled. So that's an added cost too, right?

479
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,680
Why do they need to be sprinkled? It's because it's commercial. Oh, so then the moment,

480
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,280
okay. So they, right? It's not, it's not technically, it's not in part nine residential

481
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,040
anymore. So as soon as you get into commercial structure, they want to. Aren't you guys,

482
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:10,200
isn't BC implementing sprinklers and residential now? They're trying to? Yeah. I think it depends on

483
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:17,000
the zone and the, so like Wedgewood's like I'm talking about in the SLRD. Okay. It's in a forest

484
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:25,160
fire zone. So every single house there has to be sprinkled and only 32% of your exterior

485
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,440
cladding material can be combustible. So pretty much everything there, everyone does like a

486
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:37,800
hemlock or a cedar soft fit, mostly hemlock. And then basically it's all hardy standing seam or

487
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,920
I must have said, or it looks the homeowners, right? Cause that probably upsets the homeowners

488
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,080
because they really want that wood on the exterior. Yeah, some of them, but like it's kind of,

489
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,400
if you're building in Wedgewood's, it's in the covenant. You kind of know, like it's kind of,

490
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,280
you know what I mean? And there's ways around it now. And to be honest, like as much as I'm a

491
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:01,400
carpenter and I like working with wood, like on one of the last houses, it was the first time I

492
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:08,280
actually used inch and an eighth cone face hardy for a fascia board. You ever use that? No. It's

493
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,960
inch and an eighth fascia board. thick? Yeah. Inch and an eighth hardy. And it's, it looks like

494
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:20,200
cone face spruce. So it's got the, you know, like the looks exactly like it looks good. Oh, I'll do

495
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:27,240
it again. And it sucks to work with. How do you cut? You cut it on a chop saw? Really? Yeah.

496
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:34,200
Hardy blade chop saw? Airborne? Yeah. It's still silica. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's all it is. Yeah.

497
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:40,360
Yeah. Yeah. No, it's terrible to cut. How are you doing miters or how do you doing corners on that?

498
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,680
Well, that one, the builder wanted me to miter the corners. They don't suggest

499
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:50,200
mitering the corners. They open up. So that figure. Yeah. So they kind of, you kind of avoid,

500
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,880
you're not going to get the manufacturing warranty, but that's been two years. And what I did was

501
00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:02,520
basically, we, we cocked and left a little gap and I put trim head screws and then filled over them

502
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,720
on every miter. Yeah. So like it's been two years, it still looks the same as day one.

503
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:12,600
No, it still looks the same as day one. And like that, that fascia will never cut. Like,

504
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,960
it'll be like, it'll never warp. Yeah. Yeah. It'll never rot at all. Anything. Yeah. And that's the

505
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,200
same as, you know, your standing seam siding, you know, it's good for how many years, right?

506
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,400
You know, all the lux, I don't know if you ever dealt with like all the lux metal siding.

507
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,040
No, I've seen it. I haven't dealt with it though, but a lot of clients are getting into it. Now,

508
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,880
but there's wait, it's almost like way too many options these days. No, yeah, for sure.

509
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,480
Way too many options, man, but nobody wants to just build a brick house anymore.

510
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,240
What's a brick house? We don't do those. I don't even know. We don't do brick houses.

511
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:45,000
If they were to rewrite the three little pigs story, man, like what kind of houses would

512
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,840
they be building at that point? Yeah, I don't know. It'd be your track home that blows down.

513
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,640
It would be, I don't know. Yeah. Puff and a puff, man. That's it. The bone went down,

514
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,840
but then all right, that's different. Yeah. Yeah, but anyways, yeah, the bone structures back to that.

515
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:09,480
Yeah, I don't know. I'd say, you know what? The bone structure to me is a beautiful marketing

516
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,800
exercise and construction. It's, that's what I always said when we were building them. I said,

517
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,200
these guys are, these guys, you know what these guys are good at? Marketing. They're not good at,

518
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,360
you know, there's a lot of companies in construction. They spend more money and more

519
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,440
effort in marketing than actually like fixing and making their structure and their assembly better.

520
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,440
They would have, they would have been better off if they would have approached people like you

521
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,480
here, test it please. Are you forming your footings the same way your grandpa did?

522
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:43,640
It might be time to have a look at fast foot by fat form. Fast foot is a high density polyethylene

523
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:50,120
fabric that you simply staple to two by fours to form any size footing. A 100 foot roll of fast

524
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:55,080
foot weighs 14 pounds and will form the same amount of concrete as 1500 pounds of lumber.

525
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:02,680
That's a lot of weight off your back and a lot of lumber not in the landfill. Find them at www.fab-form.com

526
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,680
and follow them on IG at fabformindustries. Yeah, well, I don't know if anyone followed me back then,

527
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,880
but, but I mean, they should have been searching. I got emails from bone that I wasn't allowed to post

528
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:19,240
stuff. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were asked, I like they're not telling you. Yeah,

529
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,520
they were telling me the builder, and then well, they would tell the builder and the builder would

530
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,600
come talk to me because at this time I wasn't my own entity. Listen, from there, the next post

531
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,640
with me with a Jerry can walking towards the job site and just going, yeah, you guys started the

532
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,680
fire. I'm going to continue it. Yeah, that's what happened. Seriously? Yeah, I just created

533
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,080
there, but it's because it's not the way to handle it. No, how about make the product better? Yeah,

534
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,600
yeah. And like, yeah, we had, we, me and my other foreman at the time, butted heads with these guys

535
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,080
because we're, we were because you guys were, we're framers and we like what we do and we're

536
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,160
into it and we're like, yo, you know what I mean? They're like, I don't know. It was the

537
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,720
communication with the company was terrible, to be honest. Listen, not everybody kisses ass on

538
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:04,600
the gram, right? Yeah. So you can't do that all the time. Yeah. And, and it's like, well, this is

539
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,240
real flaws in your design and your assembly and your structure and why not take it back to the

540
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:13,720
team and rework it and come back. We had, we had a whole structure. So I don't know if you've ever

541
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:17,960
seen it all the posts, they're like a four by four almost they look like almost like an HSS.

542
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,280
Okay. But they're more like, I don't know if anyone ever played with McKenna or Kinects.

543
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,960
So it's like, basically, you'll have a bunch of sections of posts, and then they're all drilled

544
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:33,480
every two inches with the three sixteenths hole, two holes up the whole post. So it's basically

545
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,120
like, and then part of the post has a male end and then part of the post has a female end. So

546
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,520
you basically can make different post heights, make different configurations by putting them

547
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,440
together and then they get tech screws, the healthy tech screws. So everything's basically

548
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,480
just healthy tech screwed together. Wow. But you'd have, especially in Whistler, and this is, you

549
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,640
know, there's a time and a place and like they didn't have Whistler figured out either because

550
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:01,080
we have snow loads, we have, we have seismic, right. And so, you know, they started having to use

551
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:06,200
these like different heavy gauge posts, but they couldn't drill them. So they started laser cutting

552
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:13,080
them. But then none of, but because the laser, I guess hardened the hole, all the healthy tech

553
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:18,760
screws would snap on this one project. So I had buddy, I don't know, I think it was over

554
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:25,560
60,000 holes he had to re drill. It was insane. That's just stupid. Yeah. And then that's when

555
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,800
we talked, I did bone and they had to two guys come out and drill holes for us also.

556
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:38,520
Also, they joined the whole crew. Yeah. And just to fix all the holes. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

557
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:44,520
There's a little bit of a design fraud. Am I gonna, I don't care if I get emails from bone or whatever.

558
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,680
Oh, I hope you do. Probably I invite him on the show. Yeah, let's do it. Invite me back.

559
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,480
I go head to head. Invite everybody on the show. Why you hate my guts? All right, come on the show.

560
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,360
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, but like, like I said, you know, time, I think there's a time and place.

561
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,800
I'm not saying, you know, there's not a time and place for it. I think they're kind of,

562
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,160
I don't think the custom market, I think they should simplify it. They should make it cheaper.

563
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,960
And they should, you know, it would be a good, good option for places that are more remote,

564
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,880
because you basically, they send you everything and an impact and you basically put it together.

565
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,480
Yeah. Right. So there's, you know, time and place, or if they could get it down more cost

566
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,800
effective and build more row homes with it, where everything's the same and then it's mass produced,

567
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,200
because if they could produce the same structure multiple times, it becomes cheaper. No.

568
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,960
At that point, you're getting into modular building, which I don't think they can compete with

569
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,720
modular and panels and things like that. They won't be able to compete against it. I don't think

570
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:38,760
they could get their price back. Like when I'm starting to see, and there's stuff that I'm working

571
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,240
on and I'm taking a look at, like modular wise, and I'm like, going, this is insane, where this

572
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:47,320
is coming from. Then you start talking numbers with them. Yeah. And you're going, this is really

573
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,120
insane. Yeah. Like, so it's like, it's going to be challenging for you as well too, because I'm

574
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,480
hearing just framing crews can't compete with the numbers that are associated with this. So if you

575
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,040
don't get on that train and get working with these new products, you're going to get priced out.

576
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:09,400
Yeah. I think, and like the goal is actually, man, you know, I, because everything, yeah,

577
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,920
and this is the debate and framing is offsite built panel construction, right?

578
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Right. It's coming. It's here already. It's coming. But we've always done that. Yeah. I do it

579
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,800
on site. It's true. There's no, like, like the two years ago when I framed that atrium house,

580
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,000
like, I framed every single wall and stacked it all. And then we, I, I, I flew them in in one day

581
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,440
with a boom. Right. So we're doing prefab just on site. And this is, you know, eventually the goal,

582
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,200
like I said, it's hard because there's no space in Whistler. But ideally, I'd like to get a piece

583
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:47,160
of land and have a huge shop with living quarters above it for staff. And then we could, we'd be,

584
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:54,120
I would like to be in the middle of, you know, the high end tag or passive, BC passive house

585
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,840
panels, because they're super expensive. And like, you know, I'd like to be more of like,

586
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:06,360
you're kind of same site framed, but we can get it together quicker. Because what I could do is,

587
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:12,920
you know, say we have a month, maybe I can't, maybe I don't necessarily pre build everything,

588
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,880
but I can pre cut everything and label everything. So then we show up to site and the walls are just

589
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,120
crack a bundle and you just, you have a nailer and you go right. You think it's possible to

590
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:29,720
modally built a workshop that can just be planted on a certain area and then you work and live from

591
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:33,960
there? Yeah, for sure. If you had the space, but that's like more if you're building it like

592
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:39,800
in Wister, the sites are so tight that like, you know, like people in Wister think it's crazy

593
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,440
to have a 20 foot secan as a tool trailer because like most places you can't fit it. Like on the

594
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,080
last Brio job that went up the cliff, like I basically had to four by four crib over the ditch

595
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:54,360
and cross my fingers that the muni didn't didn't hate me for it. Right. They never, they never made

596
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,960
me move it. So like, so yeah, for sure. I think, but that's more, I think that would be more in

597
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:05,640
farmland or rural areas and stuff like that. But you're trying to problem solve. Yeah, you're trying

598
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,720
to figure out how to be more efficient. You're looking at your business. You're just trying to,

599
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:14,120
you're just trying. That's what it is. Right. So and then the high end custom market, like

600
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:19,320
it's your module, like you're saying, like guys are having like in the high end custom market,

601
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:26,360
I'm still way more cost effective than any high end panel company. It's for you. It's more the

602
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:31,320
timeline that people care about. Like I said, coming back to the permit issue, people are waiting

603
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,040
eight months to get permits. Well, the permit finally comes through in September. Well, they

604
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,080
put a foundation and they can get panels there and they can have a roof on by December. Right.

605
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,800
So that's like one of the builders. That's the whole reason he did it. They built a house on

606
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,200
spec and you know, I was asking him, you know, he's a good friend of mine. He's a builder.

607
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,520
I was just as curious about pricing. He's like, no, like, if I had the time, I wouldn't do it.

608
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,080
It's way more expensive than site. Plus you already, I guess, technically with the city,

609
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:05,720
you got time anyway. Yeah, you just got to schedule as all of it. Yeah. And I think the biggest,

610
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:10,280
what I see is like I said, the biggest, the biggest bonus that everyone seems to love about the

611
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:16,120
prefab is just timeline builders and clients. They love seeing a foundation and then they love

612
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:21,080
seeing the roof on the house in like four weeks. Right. It's like, we'll get inside fast. Yeah.

613
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:27,880
Yeah. So like, so that's right. If I could make a hybrid that we could compete with the timeline

614
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,760
and still be cost effective because that would work. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So it's kind of like a

615
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,440
hybrid and then, you know, so how do we make the monkeys at the city hall speed up these permits?

616
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,840
I don't know. They need to, I don't know. I heard that because you used to right now, you can go

617
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,400
into the office and like, Hey, where's my permit? Or like, you know, actually face to face. I

618
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:55,080
apparently they're changing it so you're not allowed to go in anymore. So a public building.

619
00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:00,520
Yeah. Is not allowing the public to enter. Yeah, it's great. It's crazy. You have to do everything

620
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,960
by email. So they don't have to confront you and speak to you. Right. Yeah, exactly. Everyone just

621
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:12,760
stand outside. I see you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, why is that? That's not being helpful.

622
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,520
That's not going to speed up the process, man. No, it's going to slow it down. But I think it's,

623
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,360
I don't know. And then the argument is like, Oh, we don't have enough. We're understaffed.

624
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,160
We're understaffed. Yeah. But this is what I've talked to builders about before too. And it's

625
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:31,560
like, Well, I think, I think all plan checking should just be third party. I agree. Right. There

626
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:37,080
should be an engineering. Yeah. Yeah. And then the, the basically the actual plan checking is,

627
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,240
is, you know, whatever you say you need to be a qualified and approved by the government to

628
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:45,880
be plan checkers or however you are. We're not doing that already, Tim. Yeah. The amount of

629
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,720
engineering, no, I mean, in just scope and the amount of engineering that's attached to any

630
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:53,960
structure these days. Yeah. Are we not already doing that? Yeah, for sure. The engineering,

631
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,960
like the muni doesn't care about that. Well, where I'm from, it's because everything's so

632
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,640
heavily engineered. They don't look at the structure. They don't like there's never any

633
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,920
markups. It's all, like I said, it's kind of probably like Toronto, but it's there's a lot of,

634
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:12,440
there's a lot of heights, like there's always applying for height variances or setback moves,

635
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:18,840
or it's all this kind of stuff, right? Or like you have, you know, and with us, we're, David,

636
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:24,120
a B whistler adopted the step code. I think it was two years ago. Okay. So it's a bunch of that,

637
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:30,840
right? To where it's like, oh, you're, you need your intermittent, like the project I'm working on

638
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:43,560
right now. We actually don't have a permit. Hopefully it's where it's pound the word for pound on

639
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:51,400
Instagram. But hopefully it's supposed to come through. It's just like a anyways. I know, but

640
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:57,000
that's, listen, I've done that too, man. But we're technically, you know, the developer builder is

641
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,600
pushing us like, Hey, you know what, I'll start if you want, we'll put forms on the ground. If

642
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,680
they shut us down, we'll shut us down. Yeah, because it is going to be, it's like, we're just going

643
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,840
through nuances. They're just going back and forth about the energy modeling of the house. That's

644
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,840
what I was getting at. So it's like, Oh, your isolation, your windows, like, you know, it's not

645
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,400
going to change. Like they've approved. Yeah, the way it's going to go up. Here's the shell. Yeah,

646
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,120
exactly. Are you guys, I know that in Ontario here, we've got all this, you know, the lovely,

647
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,520
we can build anywhere now backyards and we got built on top of top of buildings, whatever.

648
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,560
Vancouver is BC going that way as well too. You guys going ADUs and things like that. Is that an

649
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:37,080
option? Yeah, I think well, I can only really mostly speak with there's its own animal, Vancouver,

650
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,000
like Vancouver has its own fucking billing code. So like, who knows what's going on in Vancouver,

651
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:47,640
but Wow, they do. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like in every like, every house in Vancouver,

652
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:53,640
you need a building envelope consultant. Really? Yeah, you can't just tie back and blue skin

653
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:59,240
through windows anymore. You have to have an envelope consultant sign up. So this comes back

654
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:05,240
to like the muni taking even less responsibility. Right? Well, then, okay, listen, I'll give you

655
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:10,920
the consultant. Yeah, but you're speeding up my process. Yeah. It's not I give you the consultant

656
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:16,520
and you just keep on. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, man, you got to give and take at that point. Yeah. Yeah.

657
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,160
How much is a building consultant these days? I don't even know. I'm curious, it's got to be four

658
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,680
figures. Yeah, probably a few thousand maybe. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You everything just assigned

659
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,200
Oh, for now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no envelope consultant. Yeah. No, but then there are also

660
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,520
every line item now is increasing because now you're framing your window everybody everybody.

661
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,160
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. You guys are yeah, you guys are all well

662
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:44,440
first of all mother nature seismic you got all kinds of you know, lovely things going on out west.

663
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,640
But sorry back to your point. Like the ad us and stuff I think in Vancouver, they're starting to go

664
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:55,320
that way because Vancouver is almost even tighter than Toronto. Yeah, I would say well, it's just

665
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,840
Toronto you do, you know, you can sprawl like I grew up in Aurora here and now it's almost part

666
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,600
of the city. Do you know what I mean? Like when I grew up there is like white picket fence

667
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,880
suburbia and people at farms. It's insane how crazy things are going on now. But in Vancouver,

668
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,320
you know, the oceans there and the mountains are behind you. So it's you can only there's only

669
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,360
so much building space actually. Yeah, so it's it's actually even a bit tighter. Let's start

670
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,360
building on the mountains. Yeah, it'll start to look like Canada's Rio de Janeiro kind of thing.

671
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,920
Yeah, yeah. The fall is starting to do on Whistler because we're out of lots. There's been there's I

672
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,800
know a few lots that were deemed basically unbuildable by the muni and people have bought them

673
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:41,640
and hired engineers and based on what premise on why you can't build like the basically geotech I

674
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:47,880
think the cliff like really it's it there. They're the two I know of are basically like on outcroppings

675
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,800
and cliffs and they basically the muni didn't think you'd be able to build there. I understand if

676
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:58,440
your envelopes really thick, you can get approval to build anywhere. Yeah, not your building envelope

677
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,640
I'm talking about. What do you mean? Your envelope is very thick. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

678
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,480
you can pretty much build anywhere. Yeah, yeah. And that's what they've done. He spent two years

679
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:13,320
with engineers and geotechs the one guy I know of. Just through the construction grapevine, right?

680
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,320
I've heard. Wow. Yeah, he spent two years and he's finally gonna build on it. But

681
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:23,240
it's been two years with geotechs and engineers kind of basically showing that they can build it and

682
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:33,000
in your opinion, should you build? Why not? Structure. Structure works mother nature is one way or not

683
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:39,000
mother nature earth can anchor it. Yeah, like as long as engineers are smart, man, like if an

684
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,840
engineer approves it, like, you know, they're not going to approve, you know, an engineer stamps

685
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,240
something, that's their livelihood on the line. Normally, engineers aren't going to stamp something,

686
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:50,440
you know, and that's why people, oh, it's over billed. It's like, well, it's the guy's life on

687
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,920
the line. You know, that's a question that I never got a chance to ask an engineer. If somebody's on

688
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,640
the job site one day to ask, does the stamp, if they retired, does that stamp still carry till

689
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:08,040
day they die? I'm not sure about that, actually. I know that the only thing I know about, because

690
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:15,080
you basically, a lot of our engineers become like, basically the, oh, I forget in the term,

691
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:21,480
basically the principal sign off for the whole project, is normally the engineer on record.

692
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:27,880
Generally speaking, yeah. Yeah. So from what I understand is basically until that is until

693
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:33,480
that builds a certain age old, they basically are accountable up to a certain amount of dollars for

694
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:39,880
that. So they have to have like, so you can't just like. So your insurance or whatever. Yeah.

695
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:45,400
In the event something happens, but there's actually a timeline. So it's not indefinite. All

696
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,400
of a sudden, it doesn't matter how long this dwelling lasts. No, yeah, yeah. The engineer's

697
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,240
still not attached to it based on that's what I'm trying to figure. So I guess, I guess the question

698
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:57,160
is once they, there's a time limit. So even if they retire, and then that's it, something happens

699
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:02,600
to structures, I'm sure if you know, say we did have a seismic event and something happened and

700
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:08,920
you know, God kind of yeah. So like, but you know, yeah, they're these are all things that you'll

701
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,920
learn when you become an engineer. Yeah, exactly. Talk to yourself on the hill. Yeah. Yeah.

702
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,040
Totally do it, man. I could totally see you being that engineer architect out there, man.

703
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,000
Yeah, for sure. At least you'll get a lot of respect. Yeah. From a lot of trades people. Yeah.

704
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,960
Yeah. I've always said engineers and architects should spend some time on site. Everyone says that

705
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,880
except for the engineers and architects. Well, one of the best engineers I've worked with used to

706
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,040
frame. It's good for him. And he'll send me pictures. He's like, Hey, how do you want to

707
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:43,240
build this like this? Or do you want to install it like this? So you can hear cheat notes. Yeah.

708
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,760
So then he's like, Oh, I can spec it like this, or I can spec it like that. How would you want to

709
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,400
install this? Or how do you want to build this nice of him? Yeah. Yeah. Actually communicating

710
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,320
with the people that are not he's yeah. And he's really good. And that's where again, it's like,

711
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,920
it's hard. I'm not the builder, but I know he's more expensive than other engineers,

712
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:06,680
but he makes my life easier. So is it really more expensive? Yeah. And the grand scheme.

713
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,840
It's not. It's not. Don't look at a line. Look at the total. Yeah. But I think what people get

714
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:17,320
fixated on. Yeah. Is that line item? Oh, $40,000 for plans are like, you know what I mean, right?

715
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:23,400
Where it's like, but we save $50,000 on framing side or whatever, right? But unless I'm truly

716
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,760
billing every hour to that and they can at the end put that as like, you know, which it doesn't

717
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,560
really happen. It kind of like, you know, my two or three hours on plan work a night kind of just

718
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:39,000
get lost in it. So they still, you know, they kind of still think they've saved that money, but it's

719
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:46,280
it's more just lost in actual framing cost, if that makes sense. It does. You got you got room for

720
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:51,560
improvement in your business? Always. What do you mean? I'm just asking. Yeah. Not everybody

721
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,320
figures it out. I don't I've yet to meet anybody who figures it out. Yeah. So there's always room

722
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,920
for improvement. Always room for improvement. So you get a lot of young guys coming into the

723
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:07,400
business thinking, nah, I got this figured out. Come over here. Yeah. Who are these people? I

724
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:13,080
want to talk to them because, but no, man. And even from a business point, definitely not, definitely

725
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,400
not from a business point, but even from a carpentry point, like that's how I joke with the boys.

726
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,240
It's like, we always do stuff different. Every single bill I'm changing it.

727
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,880
Because every single bill is custom. Yeah, but it's also I learned something on the last one.

728
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,800
And you're improving it. Yeah, you're working off of it. Yeah. It's like, I don't know. I've never

729
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,760
been like, oh, this is how we do it. So we're going to stay doing it. That way. It's always, I'm always more

730
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,960
as soon as I in my head, if we're doing something and as soon as I had, I'm like, this kind of

731
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:48,040
fucking sucks. I change it next time. It might suck more next time, but I still change it to try to

732
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:52,840
find a better way. Do you find a better way? Yeah, a lot of times we do. Yeah. You know,

733
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,840
and then you're more efficient. Yeah. Then it goes back to your business. You're more profitable.

734
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,840
Yeah. But sometimes you don't. But you know, that's again, like coming back to the roller coaster.

735
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,840
It's the same thing. You're going to have gains and losses. You're going to have ups and downs.

736
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,440
Like, you know, you're going to win some, you're going to lose some. Yeah, exactly. So it is, man.

737
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:14,920
Yeah. Everybody make heat on the crew? No. Why? Is there a yellow guy there?

738
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,880
Two of them are yellow. Two yellow guys there. I know. Wow. I didn't think that would happen.

739
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,840
But I know. And the one guy, Marco, actually, like, because he started. So Marco is actually a good

740
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,160
buddy of mine. We lived together in Whistler for a long time. We were roommates coming up.

741
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:36,440
And he was actually a hotel manager before framing. Yeah. Well, before the pandemic.

742
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:41,800
Oh, the pandemic hit and they laid him off. And for two years, I was trying to tell him to come

743
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,440
frame with me. Right. I was like, you know, there's good money in construction. I know he was

744
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,000
same type of dude. He liked being outside. He's into his truck. He's always throwing wrenches on

745
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,720
his truck and stuff like that. And I was like, you know, there's, there's, what are you doing?

746
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:01,400
Like, you're a manager at the hotel, you're capped. What do you make? I'll start you as a laborer on

747
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,680
that. Let's go. You know what I mean? Like, and he was kind of humming and hawing and then the

748
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:12,520
pandemic hit and it's like, I was like, you want to do it now? He's like, okay. And then he went.

749
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,680
Yeah. But it's also hard because, you know, he's a bit older and it's, it's, you know,

750
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,840
he was kind of thought that was, he was going to be in hospitality management as his career. But

751
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,480
so he had a tough time for the first, you know, five months, I spend a lot of time with him and

752
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:30,280
teaching. But you know, it's when, when you start and you're not good, good at something, it's really

753
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:37,720
frustrating. It's really frustrating. And walking analogy, man, you don't give up because you're

754
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:42,120
a baby and you don't want to walk, you fall, you keep on getting going, right? Yeah, exactly. And

755
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:47,160
that's kind of, you know, he's the kind of dude who has that mentality. So he's a, he's a, he's a

756
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,400
very good framer right now. Yeah. Well, he's learning. Like he's only been doing it since, you know,

757
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:58,520
like for three years, right? But I don't know. I'd say I, I, I he's got potential. Oh yeah. Yeah.

758
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:06,520
And, you know, you, you use everyone to their abilities, right? And he's coming from, coming

759
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:11,400
from hospitality and management and all that. Like he's very good. Like he does all my lists,

760
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:16,760
he does all my organizing, he does my tool inventory. He's got some assets, right? You know what I mean?

761
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,080
He does all my, you know, hey, Marco, make me a list for the takeoffs, make me, you know,

762
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:29,560
make me a material list, you know, all that kind of stuff. Hey, he kind of, he kind of,

763
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,960
you know, I'll go to him for, if I'm off site, he kind of has the day to day task for everyone.

764
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,120
He's good at managing, right? He might not be the best framer yet, but so that's what I'm saying.

765
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:43,160
He came from management. Well, let's use his management skills, right? Works is smart. Yeah.

766
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:51,080
That's business, man. Yeah. And I guess too, I'm learning. That's what I've, I guess I've talked

767
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:56,200
to a few other guys about this too, but it's, you got, you can't expect everyone to be you.

768
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,760
And like, that's what I struggled with for my first couple of years. It's like,

769
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:05,800
you actually thought that you could find more use? Yeah. I like, you know, they're grazing up on the

770
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:11,960
hill. Yeah, that's, that was, I don't know. I took, and I was like, yeah, it's not you, Tim, doing it.

771
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,320
So he's going to take twice as long or it's going to be a bit out or like, you know,

772
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:19,320
Is that hard? Is that hard for you to really, to finally realize that, to see that?

773
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,280
Yeah. I still struggle with it every day because like,

774
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,400
But you're seeing, especially if I'm having a bad day, right? Yeah. And it's like, I look over and

775
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,640
like, well, fuck, you're taking him two fucking hours. I would have had that done in 15 minutes.

776
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:36,040
It's fucking gold. We see, I mean, we see a lot of that. Like, I see a lot of it in younger guys.

777
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,720
They see the, I don't understand why you don't get it. I don't understand why you don't get it.

778
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,080
I got it. I would have gotten it. I would have done it. We would have moved on. And then you're like,

779
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,760
find a better way to teach. Yeah. That's just basically at that point, right? Yeah. And just

780
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:56,440
understand that you can be a teacher. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I do try to, like my whole, even though,

781
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:01,480
you know, a lot of my stuff's fixed price and I still take a lot of time to teach, right?

782
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,280
Because I don't know, in my mind, it's the same as, I don't know, it's the same as I was talking about

783
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:13,640
the engineers and the networking before. It's paying now for your future. Yeah. And that's the goal.

784
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,320
And yeah, it's a gamble because like you've talked about with guys on here, people leave and people

785
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:22,440
are transient, you know, but like, you don't, if you don't invest and don't try, you'll never get

786
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:28,440
the outcome, right? And you can't be negative because you taught somebody and they moved on and

787
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,800
done something else. Of course not. And there's no reason for why are you going to consume your

788
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:37,960
thoughts that way. Yeah. And, and I was like, when I first started my right hand guy, who I had with

789
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,520
me, he ended up going on his own and starting a little furniture company and moving to the island.

790
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:47,880
That's great. You know what I mean? And, and I, and that's fine. Like, and, and I'm going to try

791
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,520
with Marco and other guys in the company that like, if they don't want to go on their own,

792
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:57,560
all that's, you know, you're talking about growth, well, I'll grow the company to be able to

793
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:05,480
accommodate their growth. Right? Yeah. You know what I mean? Because people need to grow. And

794
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:12,440
they need to feel like they're, they're progressing and, and their work and in life. And, and yeah,

795
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,680
so if Marco, like we're just using Marco as an example, if he gets to a point where I feel he

796
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:21,480
can run three guys, then yeah, let's take on another project, right? If he's comfortable with that,

797
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:26,520
or, you know, and that, that's when it'll be time to do it. But then the guys also are looking up to

798
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:32,600
you to see that there's that opportunity there, that you're understanding the growth aspect of it.

799
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,040
Yeah, of course. It's not just like, like you said it in the beginning there, it's just,

800
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:40,440
you're not just punching the clock, man. No, yeah. And like, I specifically on this

801
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,240
second build, we just started with the mono pouring, we can talk about that in a second. But

802
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:52,360
Marco and Cam, I kind of like, I printed out a nice layout. I did all my own measurements in red

803
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:59,080
on blue beam, like basically, here's a page, every number you need on it, laid out a watch.

804
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:03,400
And I was there and I helped and like, Oh, no, no. But like, you know,

805
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:10,040
they basically for that whole footing, they kind of laid everything out. I just, I was just watching.

806
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,680
So the machine was working. The machine was working. And it's kind of, it's, I don't know,

807
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:20,200
it's, it was the first time I felt the machine working, which, which is without me kind of,

808
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:27,640
you know, turning the gears, pushing the clutch in your business. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's,

809
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,920
that was, yeah, this has been kind of the first time I've kind of, you know, even like

810
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:37,240
yesterday and say Friday, today's Friday. Yeah. Yesterday and today, it's like, you know,

811
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,920
the boys are working without me. That's the first time I ever had them work on site without me,

812
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,600
especially with that many guys. Like I've left Marco kind of with a day kind of,

813
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,720
but there's six guys on site without me right now, which is, I'm just trying not to think about it.

814
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,640
They need you to, but they don't need you. Yeah. Yeah. That's, you know, it's like, but like,

815
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:59,160
I'm a phone call or a FaceTime away or a text away, you know, like Marco was texting me when I

816
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,240
was on the plane and I had Wi-Fi and they go, yeah, it's a four foot footing. Do that as a PF2

817
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:09,160
pad. Yep. That needs two horizontal bars. Yeah, you're right. Cool. Thumbs up. See, perfect. Yeah.

818
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,920
So that poor went well. We haven't poured that one yet. Oh, yeah. That's the one without the

819
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,600
permit we're waiting. Oh, you're still waiting on that one. Yeah. Yeah. So the mono pour,

820
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:25,080
we started just after the other one in Wedgewoods. We basically got the foundation done and the floor

821
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:31,320
on the floor framing to brace for backfill because there's like, it's 12 foot unsupported

822
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:37,000
concrete walls. So I'll always, if we're doing that for backfill, I'll always either temporary

823
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:43,880
brace the walls or I'll put the floor system on before we backfill. Man, have you, you ain't doing

824
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:49,720
easy shit out there, man. Like you're doing challenging shit. Yeah. Like you got, you got

825
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,400
engineers out this way that are scratching their head going, oh, the fuck did you pull that shit

826
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:59,160
off? Right? Yeah. Like, have you come across stuff that you're just a little nervous about?

827
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:04,360
Because it doesn't seem like you're nervous about it. I'm nervous every single project.

828
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:11,320
Every single project. But like fast foot by fat form protects your forming lumber from the concrete.

829
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:16,840
So stripping it, it's a breeze and can be reused over and over. You can tie it into your wall and

830
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:22,040
slab membranes to prevent moisture from wicking into the home through your footing with the crazy

831
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:26,440
prices of lumber lately. It's time to start looking at doing things differently. Find them at

832
01:08:26,440 --> 01:08:33,640
www fab hyphenated form.com and follow them on IG fab form industries. But I don't know the more

833
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:40,040
you're in it, the more you realize that if you can use what you know to figure out what you don't

834
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:47,000
know. Right? So you're not going to know everything, but you can know enough to figure it out. And I

835
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,640
got the confidence and I kind of hit a point where I knew that. So it's like as much as it's

836
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:56,360
still intimidating. It's like I have as good a shot in my head, you know, maybe it's maybe I'm out to

837
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:01,240
launch. But in my head, it's like, I have as good a shot of figuring this out as pretty much anyone.

838
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,920
Because from the carpenters I talked to, you know what I mean? True. Right? So it's like, if he can do it,

839
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:11,240
I can do it. And like, that just comes back. That's kind of my mentality in the trades. And I always

840
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:16,280
worked on my own trucks and stuff. And like, maybe my Mrs was like, you know, like, how did you know

841
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:24,120
how to rebuild a whole engine and a head gasket? I was like, well, I'm in construction. And I know

842
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:30,200
the dude at the mechanic shop is no more proficient than me at figuring shit out. So it's just going

843
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:35,080
to take me twice as long. I'll figure it out. But I'll figure it out. But that's just the mindset

844
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:40,520
that you kind of, you know, is a good trade person, I would say, right? But yeah, they definitely

845
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:46,920
intimidate me and, you know, and that's why they're challenging jobs. Yeah. And for me, this last one,

846
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:51,560
I don't know, even some might say it's depending challenging. But like this, the first one I did

847
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:56,280
and kind of started first there, where we're waiting for backfill, it's pretty simple to me.

848
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:02,600
Like there's steel and there's columns and there's 140 degree walls and like, but to me, that's like,

849
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:07,640
that's a box. There's like only two elevations, a couple out of square corners, a little bit of steel.

850
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,000
Like that's a breeze, right?

851
01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:16,600
One day I'll get out there and I want to sit there. I just want to watch and just

852
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,600
check it out, man. I'll be here. Come out, we'll go through. I know like all the built, we can,

853
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:25,000
you can, we'll go through some nice homes, you can see different stages. You want to see like,

854
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,440
it's a pretty smooth. I'm impressed with the way builders are doing things out west, man.

855
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:32,280
Yeah. Yeah. And like Whistler's night. And that's, that's what I said, we're blessed to be able to

856
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:36,520
build in that place with people who have the money they do and want to build what they want to build.

857
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:42,120
There's a lot of high end architecture and it's, it's fun to build, right? And especially on the

858
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:46,680
projects with bigger budgets because it's, you know, and now a lot of my projects, they still

859
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:51,000
have budgets, right? Like it's still, you know, still always over budget. Is it mostly Canadian

860
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,080
architects? Yeah. They're mostly Canadian. Yeah. Which is refreshing to see that. Yeah.

861
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,560
Stark architecture. I don't know if you've heard of them. They're big out west. Fritz,

862
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:05,480
they're another big one. Those are kind of the two, two big ones. There's a company out of Whistler,

863
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:11,800
NAR. They're called G-N-A-R. Of course. Why would it be spelled any other way? Yeah.

864
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:20,040
But they kind of do full design architecture. They're pretty good too. Yeah.

865
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:26,120
Yeah. But who's the other one? Anyways, a lot of high end world-renowned architects

866
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,520
that build houses in Whistler. Man, what are you doing for your downtime?

867
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:34,280
Are you still skiing or what's the story, man? I actually don't ski too much anymore because I've

868
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:40,520
had, I don't know, my body's broken. I had two, three knee surgeries. Yeah. But is that from the

869
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:45,240
skier or from the motor cross? That's from skiing. Like I said, when I came, then I was kind of

870
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:50,760
going way back to when we were talking at the beginning is I wanted to be a professional skier.

871
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:57,000
But that kind of, the body started deteriorating pretty quick after a few surgeries and, you know,

872
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:03,080
and that's kind of when I realized that, oh, maybe I should do carpentry as an occupation and

873
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:08,440
skiing should be a recreation. That's what my dad always said. My dad always told me skiing was a

874
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:15,720
recreation on an occupation. But for some people it is. But I mean, it's hard to,

875
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:20,600
three surgeries you had? Yeah, that's just on my knees. Just on the knees. Shoulder surgery,

876
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:26,040
elbow surgery, collar bone. After an incident or? Okay, that's why. Shattered my kneecap, torn my LCL,

877
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:32,040
torn my LCL, torn my MCL, broke my collarbone in three places. Is Marko putting a grocery list

878
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:38,280
for that together or what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But so you thought you'd take it easy by doing steel

879
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:44,200
beams and cantilever and building into rocks and BC. That's it. That's a cakewalk. It's a box of

880
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:50,920
Kleenex at that point. Yeah. But I think that comes into why I enjoy forming and framing is

881
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:56,120
because it's kind of, I don't know, call me adrenaline junkie, I guess, but it kind of suits

882
01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:01,080
that nature and, you know, why I like walking wall plates. I like walking beams, you know, it's and,

883
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,760
you know, yeah, for sure, you got to be safe 100%. You got to be safe. But like,

884
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,720
I have this argument with people that like,

885
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:14,840
it still takes a skilled tradesperson. So like, if you make it so that, you know, you don't,

886
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:20,520
like, I don't know, people comment on my stuff when I'm out on a beam without a rope, but like,

887
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,960
just shut up. But it's like, I'll drop an 80 foot cliff on my snowmobile. And that's for fun.

888
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:31,880
So like, I don't mind walking a beam at work, because it's kind of fun. Like, you know what I

889
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,520
mean? And like, I would never, but that's where the line is drawn is I would never make or ask

890
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,800
the guys to do that. Yes. Right. And you would not and you're not putting yourself in danger either

891
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:46,680
on a job site or on a hill, right? Exactly. Yeah. Like that's it. Yeah. You can get hit,

892
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:51,000
walk in the cross in the street. Exactly. And yeah. And I think the biggest,

893
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:58,520
biggest thing you can do for safety is be alert and pay attention. The accidents happen when

894
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,680
you're distracted and you're not aware of your surroundings. It doesn't matter

895
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,400
how many harnesses, how many ropes you have, like an accident will still happen if the guy's not

896
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:12,120
paying attention and he's complacent. Yep. So that's what I stress to the guys all the time.

897
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,360
Be aware it's a job site. Yeah. Always be aware. And everybody's there to do a good job and everybody's

898
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:21,080
there to go home. Yeah. Yeah. So they can do another good job tomorrow. Yeah, exactly. Simple.

899
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:26,520
Simple math, man. We're getting close to the end, man. I know that. Well, listen,

900
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:31,000
we haven't even talked about, I know before we started recording, man, forming and how,

901
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,120
let's just basically say it, man. I know we haven't even got. You ain't doing ICF.

902
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:39,800
Yeah. You're a dinosaur at this point, man. Yeah. Simple as that. If you're building a house

903
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,680
with a conditioned basement or a conditioned space on the interior of your foundation,

904
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:51,480
it makes absolutely no sense not to do ICF. 100%. And I actually had a project that I turned down

905
01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:56,120
because of it. They didn't want to do it. They was, you know, they're kind of an old,

906
01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:00,600
more old school architect or big builder kind of group out of the city. And, you know,

907
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,480
I bid the project and I was like, I gave them two prices even. I was like, here, I'll traditionally

908
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:11,960
form it. And then you still have to do X, Y and Z to insulate and back frame your frost walls and

909
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:18,360
all this. Or here's ICF, my quotes, $20,000 cheaper for labor, and you don't have to do anything

910
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:24,280
afterwards. And they said, nah, we don't want to do that. I said, goodbye, not my project for me then.

911
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:29,080
Wow. Like if you, you know, and it's kind of nice that sometimes I can do that, but it's,

912
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:37,480
I don't know. I don't want to build, like, I don't want to go backwards. If we can build

913
01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:41,080
more efficient, like I don't want to not build more efficient that I really know how to do. So to

914
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,760
me, that was like, I want to drive by there 50 years from now and know that you built that you

915
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:49,160
formed it, you framed it. Yeah. And it was just a red, you know, people like that. That was just a

916
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,200
red flag that they didn't want to change their way. When did you learn that? I mean, because that's

917
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:56,040
the thing that kids, a lot of kids nowadays, they have a hard time saying no, they just think that

918
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:02,760
they need to gobble up all the work. Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's, I'm still struggling with that,

919
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:09,640
to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like, I was also, I think I was saying, well, I didn't have the

920
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:14,680
crew, but I was also saying no, maybe too much. There's a, like I was more, I was, I think I was

921
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:19,560
the other side of the line, where it's like, I was too cautious and like, oh, no, we can only do one

922
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:25,560
a year, like I can only take on one home a year, like, you know, we're just afraid of growing

923
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:30,680
just in case. Yeah, it was more just, I didn't have the guys to be honest, like, if it's only me

924
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:35,240
and two other guys, like, I can't, like, you know, it's hard. Yeah, stuff's going to sit for a while

925
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:40,840
and like no one's going to be happy and right. So because they're looking at you to get to the next

926
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:46,120
stage. Yeah, exactly. And you know, you don't want to be that, that guy. Yeah. Yeah. That guy that

927
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:51,320
they're waiting on. Right. Right. So, so yeah, I mean, back to ICF, just everyone needs to start

928
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:56,200
waking up. It's unfortunate. I get that there's a lot of companies here and out West, probably,

929
01:16:56,200 --> 01:17:01,560
that have spent a lot of money and building or buying their forms and building all that

930
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:06,120
shit and getting it all ready. But oh, you're talking about like, yeah, yeah, like Perry forms

931
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,800
or yeah, all kinds of stuff. So that's that's what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that that's the

932
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,720
number one reason why they don't want to just jump ship and go into ICF land because they've

933
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:18,520
already invested into so much. And I'm like, Yeah, I get it. But we're not listening to music on

934
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:24,760
a track anymore. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like time to right. The same thing is, yeah, if you invest in

935
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:29,480
a huge record collection, you probably have your vinyls at your house and you have your record

936
01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:33,560
player and it's a nice nostalgic kind of thing. But you still get in your car and you use your

937
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:38,760
iPhone, still go to the job site and you use your iPhone. So it's, you know, right. And, you know,

938
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,640
people will still, they'll still do concrete basements for a while. I think not everything's

939
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:48,040
going to be ICF. I bet you there's a guy who has an actual A track in his Ford or something.

940
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:54,120
I'd like to see that. I wasn't around for eight tracks, man. I don't think as before my time.

941
01:17:54,120 --> 01:18:00,120
And by the way, it's a track like a not eight, not eight. Oh, a lot of idiots thought that you

942
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:04,440
could only put eight songs on that thing. And I'm like, I thought it was eight tracks. I thought

943
01:18:04,440 --> 01:18:08,200
I, I honestly, I'm one. I thought it was eight tracks. I didn't think you could only put eight,

944
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:14,600
but I thought it was eight. But yeah, man, I, I see F it's, I don't know. I wasn't a believer.

945
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,120
Really? You weren't convinced when you first saw it? You're like thinking the same, right?

946
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:22,520
No, I was the same as most carpenters. And like, it was kind of why I hated, you know,

947
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:27,800
same reason why I also hated the bone just before I even started it, because it wasn't wood and I

948
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:34,440
wasn't a carpenter in my eyes. Like, you know, and I still, from an efficiency and a build point,

949
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:41,560
ICF makes way more sense. Does. But as a carpenter, I'd rather traditional form everything.

950
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:49,400
Yeah, but we go back to line item and overall, right? So line item, ICF versus overall, the

951
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:54,280
whole building structure, yeah, it makes sense at that point. But this is construction. It's

952
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:59,800
hard to get dinosaurs to embrace new tech. And, and where I'm lucky is I do foundation and framing,

953
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:07,000
right? So in my true passion is more framing than the foundations, right? And, and because it's like,

954
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:12,840
then I look at it like, okay, ICF is just a means to get framing quicker. Yeah. Right. So like,

955
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,360
what it is. Yeah. So if I don't get my enjoyment out of actually like, you know,

956
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:23,000
the, but we still, and I don't know, I wouldn't get enjoyment out of rental forms anyways, or,

957
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,960
you know, or like just slapping panels up and, and you know, I mean, where I get the enjoyment

958
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:34,600
out of traditional forming is exposed architectural snap tie walls. Right. That's, that's, you know,

959
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:38,680
that's what gets me off like informing. It's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. Where you get to see it

960
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:43,080
and like, you know, but if we're going to backfill both sides and frost wall, then like, why do you

961
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:49,800
care if you're using a rental form or your own Perry forms or your aluminum forms or ICF, right?

962
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,480
So is there anything else you want to share before we get to the 12 questions?

963
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,680
We'll probably have to do this again. Oh, I feel like we didn't talk about framing.

964
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,400
Oh, we talked about framing. Did we? What do you want to talk about? I got nothing.

965
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,680
First of all, I said, I got off a plane yesterday. I don't have anything on a list here, Manny.

966
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,800
Anybody want to talk about framing? Just go to his page and you'll pay attention to his framing.

967
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:16,520
Yeah. I shoot me a DM. I love talking shop. You know, you're always, you're getting a little,

968
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,400
you're not getting irritated. You're always, people are always reaching out to you, man.

969
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:23,960
And just, I don't get irritated. I pretty much try to respond to everyone. Yeah. If you got questions

970
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:30,680
or whatever, or, you know, yeah, reach out. I'm always, always, always answering the DMs on

971
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:36,520
Instagram and I love talking shop, whatever it may be. Kid pound for pound Tim.

972
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:47,560
Uh, lb4lbframeform.com Timmy at lb4lbframeform.com on Instagram pound number four pound for

973
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:55,000
framers. Sorry, framers. Uh, 12 questions, man. Oh boy. I'm ready. Yeah. But you know these

974
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,560
questions, man. Yeah, I do. What is your favorite construction word?

975
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:06,200
Money. It's a good word. But, but not money in the sense of dollars. We use money.

976
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:11,800
Like whenever a corner is good, I put a dollar sign on it. When I plumb a corner money, money,

977
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:16,520
money, money. What is your least favorite construction word?

978
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:29,720
Oof. I don't know. Oof. No. Change order. But I don't even hate them that much. I don't know.

979
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,080
You don't hate change orders anymore? I guess. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to retract that.

980
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:40,440
Uh, do, uh, but we've always done it this way. Yeah. I hate that. Oh, it's the worst.

981
01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:42,920
That's such a, I don't know. What turns you on in construction?

982
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:53,240
Cantilevers. Two to one? It depends. Depends, right? Yeah, depends. What's the longest cantilever

983
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:59,480
you've done? I've done? Oh, I think I've actually haven't done that many huge cantilevers. I think

984
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:06,840
it was 20 foot, 20 foot out. 20 foot? Yeah. What were the, I think it was a 60 foot steel beam.

985
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,560
Something like that. That's like you cantilever over Toronto house. Yeah.

986
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,120
What turns you off in construction?

987
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:29,160
Uh, um, the mentality that you can't figure it out when guys are like, Oh, I don't know.

988
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:33,480
It doesn't work. There's always a way. There's always a way. Always a way. Or like, I don't know.

989
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:38,680
Yeah. If there wasn't always a way, we'd be like in a cave right now cooking dinner.

990
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,000
What's your favorite curse word? Oh, I don't know. Fuck.

991
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:49,400
What's a good one? Favorite vehicle of all time. Vehicle? Anything. I'm gonna say,

992
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:55,240
I'm gonna say snowmobile. Do we have to, if we have to pick a specific one, I'd say an 852

993
01:22:55,240 --> 01:23:01,480
stroke turbo. That's a vehicle. What's your least favorite vehicle? Oh man, it's gotta be those,

994
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:08,680
those, uh, those, the hamster, the hamster boxes, the soles, the Kia soles or whatever.

995
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,040
Oh man, those things. The commercial, the old commercial or the hamster was driving down in

996
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:18,040
the box. I think all those, that and the cube and like those vehicles should all be just buried.

997
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:23,000
That's all in concrete. Yeah. Or electric. I don't like electric vehicles. We don't need to go there,

998
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,720
though. What's your least favorite? Oh, sorry. What construction sound or noise do you love?

999
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:36,920
Chainsaw. What construction sound or noise do you hate? Multi-tool. Especially the wall one.

1000
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:42,280
Yeah. The boy, I purposely bought two Makitas because the boys' DeWalt's are so loud. I don't even

1001
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,600
use them. I guess I'm like, you're a farmer. You should be able to do everything. I bet you,

1002
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:52,760
if you were to wrap the DeWalt multi-tool in a wet towel, it still will sound like that. Oh, yeah.

1003
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:58,440
Man, you can hear, you can hear it like down the neighborhood when someone's using it. It's wild.

1004
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:05,880
What, sorry. What was that? Oh, yeah. Sorry. What profession other than your own would you

1005
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:11,640
like to attempt? Engineering. Engineering. That's what I thought. What profession would you never

1006
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:17,480
want to do? Or, sorry. Sorry. Or a rally car driver. That'd be pretty fun. Man, you just like,

1007
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:22,920
knees are busted. You know, rally car drivers break other bones, right? It's like what Ken Block said.

1008
01:24:23,480 --> 01:24:31,560
With age comes a cage. I could see you doing rally car. Yeah. And you're in a cage. Five-point

1009
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:37,720
harness cage, full flyer, tarned suit, helmet, neck brace. But you go where that thing goes.

1010
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,640
Yeah. And then you stop where that thing stops. Yeah. But as long as you're harnessed and you

1011
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,800
got a metal cage around you, you're good. What profession would you not like to do?

1012
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:55,640
I don't envy people in customer service. It's like any kind of customer service. Like, I know

1013
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,800
like technically like clients and stuff, it's different. I mean, like walk in the door and

1014
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:05,960
they want a drink or I don't know. I just see so much of that. Even like, even in McDonald's,

1015
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:10,760
like, I don't know, people grind my gears, man. Like they're freaking out about $2 on a cheeseburger.

1016
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,520
It's like, here, I'll pay for your cheeseburger. Just leave this person alone who's working there,

1017
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:21,000
making minimum wage. I know. Life needs to be better. Yeah. Last question. If heaven exists,

1018
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:26,840
what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at those pearly gates? Turn around, you're not done yet.

1019
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:33,000
Tim, man, good to see you, bro. Yeah, you too. Thanks for having me, man. This has been awesome.

1020
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,200
We'll definitely have to do it again. I love seeing you, man. You're looking well. You're

1021
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:41,960
looking good. You are. You're looking good, man. It's good to see you because I know we've spoken

1022
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:46,840
quite a bit and it's just like, that's it. It's all good, man. So thanks for making the time.

1023
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,680
Literally, you're making the time. You're literally driving around Ontario right now,

1024
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,440
taking care of certain things and all of a sudden you're like, I'll make a pit stop at TCL

1025
01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:58,840
studio and just make a show, man. Yeah, there we go. I'm glad it worked out. Thanks, man. I

1026
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:05,400
appreciate it. Yeah. Everybody check them out again at lb4lbframeform.com and reach out to

1027
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:10,440
them, Timmy at lb4lbframeform.com and also on Instagram is the best way to get a hold of you,

1028
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:14,680
right? Yeah, Instagram. Totally pound for pound framers. That's it, man. Yeah, buddy. I think

1029
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:28,360
we're out of here, man. We're out. We're out. We're out. Angelina?