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Hi everybody, welcome to the Canine Connection

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podcast. Today we are going to continue talking

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about reading your dogs. So we're going to try

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and come up with some practical strategies that

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you can implement to help you understand what

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your dog is telling you in the moment. So initially

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you're probably not going to be able to do it

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in the moment, which is fine as long as you can

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go back and evaluate it and come up with some

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theories and ideas and eventually you're going

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to get. better and better at it i think what

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makes it extra complicated to read dogs is that

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um they have a limited vocabulary right so for

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example they can yawn yeah they definitely yawn

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when they're tired right they can yawn when they're

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stressed they can yawn when they're confused

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they yawn when um they're lowering The arousal,

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some dogs yawn when they're raising their arousal.

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Some dogs yawn as a way to like focus, right?

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So they'll like yawn and then they're like, okay,

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I'm dialed in. So it's the same with scratching,

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sniffing, wandering away. Shaking. Shaking. What

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else? Snapping like an alligator. Zaina snaps

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like an alligator. Licking. Yes, lip licking.

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So a lot of these behaviors, right? How do we

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know which thing is it? What? Yeah. What we need

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to always do is look at what happened before

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and after. So, uh, very recently someone's dog

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was in the ring and it started scratching, right?

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So she turns, looks at the dog. I think it was

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for, it doesn't matter what exercise and the

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dog scratching, scratching, scratching. And so,

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you know, People tell me this all the time. Oh,

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I don't understand why my dog's so itchy. All

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of a sudden, your dog's not itchy, right? How

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do we know? Well, look at what happened before.

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What happened right before your dog did that?

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Sometimes right before the dog did it, you disconnected

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and just like left the dog hanging. Or all of

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a sudden the judge moved in really close. And

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just as the judge is getting closer and closer

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to the dog, the dog's like, oh God, and starts

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to scratch. Or this person, kudos to this person

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for figuring this out. They're like, you know

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what I realized? This was the first time I did

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one exercise and finished. And then the next

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exercise started in the same spot. And I've never

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done that before. I always finish the exercise.

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Then we run over to where the next exercise starts.

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So when the exercise finished, the dog started

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to like, oh, we're running over there. Right.

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And she's like, no, we're not sit. We're doing

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this exercise. And the dog's like, oh, God, I

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don't know what we're doing. Yeah. Right. So

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different. The reason that matters is because

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in the one case, what's the person going to do?

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It's going to just teach the dog. that sometimes

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the exercise ends and the next one starts right

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here, right? So that's the answer to that problem,

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which is very different from the person whose

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dog started scratching because the judge moved

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closer, right? Because that's a pressure issue.

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That's something you need to deal with. Like

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you have to teach the dog, okay, the judge comes,

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do a game. The judge comes, do a game. The judge

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comes, do a game. Or maybe you gave the dog the

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wrong cue. Right. We make mistakes. I've done

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that. Tell the dog the wrong thing. And the dog

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goes and then I walk away and the dog's like,

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oh, God, I don't know what. And then they just

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start scratching. So in all those cases. How

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we resolve the problem is very different based

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on. Why the dog did it. But the answer is there.

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Right. The answer is. What happened. Right before.

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The dog did the behavior. And sometimes. The

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information. After is also important. Right.

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So like. Zaina. Will. I'll leave her on signals.

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And as I'm walking away, most of the time I'll

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hear her go, snap, snap, snap with her jaws.

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Now you could go, oh God, is she stressed out?

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Is that why she's snapping? Well, how do I know?

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Well, by her response to signals, right? If she

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snaps and I turn, she's super focused. She will

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do her signals, 100 % guaranteed. If I walk away

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and she doesn't snap, I always go, oh, because

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I don't know if she's going to do them or not.

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Right. So for her, the snapping is something

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she does that helps her focus. Right. Right.

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And I know that because of what, if she snapped

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and every time she snapped, I turned and then

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she either froze or didn't do her signals. I

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would surmise that the snapping means she's concerned

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about something, right? But because she snaps

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and then her work is really good and consistent,

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I can surmise that the snapping is something

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that's productive for her. before and after.

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This is where video is absolutely critical. Oh,

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we lost Lori. She's having internet issues. So

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we're just going to hang tight and she'll pop

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back up. So anyway, video is critical here because

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Unless you are able to process all that information

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in that moment in time. You are. Yeah. I know

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I told them I was going to finish. So with video,

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because most people in that moment in time and

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training, there's too much going on. You can't

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process all the information and do all that like

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data analysis. Right. So. But if you don't have

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video, you can't do the data analysis. So you

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need the video so you can go back in training

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and look at it, right? Because in training is

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where you're going to learn. And obviously you

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want to do it for trials as well. But if you

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start doing it routinely in training, you're

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going to start to learn what your dog is telling

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you and over time apply it. So I was saying before

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and after. Right, right, right, right. Yeah.

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And like one of the things I like had to learn

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with Stormy, too, because every time I would

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every time I would leave her like on whatever,

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usually after healing. Like so for signals, I'd

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leave her. I'd walk away. I could hear her shake

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every single time. And I'm like, oh, wow. Like,

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I don't know what that is. And what I learned

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was like with her, like healing actually makes

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her arousal level go up. So after I would heal

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her and then put her in her stand for signals,

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like she had to, like, it was like her way of

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trying to like kind of get her shit together

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to be able to stand there and stay there and

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concentrate. While I was leaving her, she was

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trying to bring her arousal state down. But that

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was like every time I would leave her, I would

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hear her. She actually would actually do it too.

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It didn't always have to be after healing. It

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could be other things too, like even when I was

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a novice and I would have to leave her whatever

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stationary for her recall. Even after transitioning

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her over, it was like she had to, you know, it

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was her way of trying to like, OK, OK, I got

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to like concentrate. I can't move, blah, blah,

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blah. And that was just a behavior. But I had

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to go back because I remember being like, oh,

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my God, she shakes every freaking time I leave

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her. Like, why is she doing that? And then I

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would watch video and then I would see it. It

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all came together. So it's arousal. They'll do

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it. Some they'll do certain behaviors to lower

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their arousal. And they'll also do certain behaviors

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to raise their arousal. Right. And what happens

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is as which in a way is good, like as the dog

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learns what's coming. Right. Which is why it's

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really important for us to be predictable and

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give them really good information. They actually

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will say, oh, we're doing this exercise. Hold

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on a second. I have to bring my arousal up for

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this. Or like you just perfectly, you know, give

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the perfect example. oh, wait, I really need

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to concentrate here. Let me lower my arousal

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so I can really focus. That's a really intelligent

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animal, but that's also an animal that has been

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trained in a very predictable way so they know

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what's coming, right? And so they understand

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like, oh, in order for me to execute this task

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successfully, I need to, you know, adjust. myself

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so that i can you know do this task right and

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you know it's important to learn all these things

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too like of why that's happening you know especially

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that's the beauty of the video like we talked

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about because then you know talking about predictability

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like telling the dogs like even before like knowing

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that my dog has to shift their arousal state

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from one exercise to another Then I have that

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ability to know that about the dog because I've

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learned that that's why that behavior is going

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on. And can I help the dog in that process of

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them bringing up, bringing down by handling them

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a certain way? Like, I'm certainly not going

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to heal Stormy and then have her bounce to the

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next exercise, which may be command discrimination,

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because that's not going to be helpful for her

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at all. So, yeah. But first you have to know

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that she's doing that because it's an arousal

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issue. That gives you the information that then

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drives your training. If you don't know that

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information, you could be inadvertently doing

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the wrong thing. If you're like, oh, she's stressed,

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then maybe you're adding more drive and motivation

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into the exercise to get her more comfortable.

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And guess what? You're inadvertently making it

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worse. Yeah. And then you get. and implode in

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the right so well the other thing is it's not

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necessarily always going to be that obvious right

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because someone may go well okay great but how

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could you tell that she was shaking because she

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was lowering arousal so part of it is like you

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have to come up with be willing to come up with

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several different possibilities And then kind

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of say, all right, let me see if I can. Cause

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that's really what we're doing is we're just

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puzzling it out. Right. It's not like you looked

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at the dog. You just said she shook. You did

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not know why you didn't say she shook. And instantly

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I knew, of course not. Cause it's not that simple.

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It's a matter of like being a detective deduction,

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right? Like, okay. Is it. Is it stress? Is it

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confusion? Is it arousal? Which is it? So then

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you have to say, okay, let me see. Oh, okay,

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when I heal, she really gets aroused. Maybe it's

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that. Okay, let me try to get her very calm.

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Maybe I'll do just forward, left turn, stand

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your dog. Oh, look, she didn't shake. Maybe it's

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arousal. Oh, she shook anyway. Maybe it's not

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arousal. Okay, is it because... Am I doing something

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confusing? Well, let me make sure I'm being crystal

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clear. I'm very consistent with everything I'm

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doing. So there's no confusion. So you kind of

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have to go through the different possibilities

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and rule them out sometimes. Right. Like a fair

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amount of the times. That's what it comes down

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to. Right. Right. Is like we have different hypothesis.

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Like it could be this, that, that or that. So

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that's kind of how I approach it. I'm like, OK,

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what could it be? And I'll write it down. I always

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go with confusion first because that's the easiest

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one to fix. And that's very exciting when it's

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confusion. Because you're like, oh, good. It's

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very easy. Right? Which is, am I being crystal

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clear? And let's be honest. Most of us are not.

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Right? Like, are my signals distinctly different

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one from the other? Do I know exactly what my

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signal is? Like if I say to you, what's your

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moving stand signal? And you have to take a second

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and go, um, guess what? Yeah. It ain't consistent.

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Right. Right. Right. Like, um, so you better

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make sure it is and you know exactly what it

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is and you're doing it the same way every time.

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And it could be something incredibly subtle,

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like. It's so fascinating, like the absolute

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subtlety that the dogs read, right? So I'm doing

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Raleigh right now and I'm teaching my dogs like

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some new moves and it's 300 % me, right? So I'm

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like, Zaina, why is it so hard for you to learn

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to back up? Forget three steps. One step. Like,

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why can't you back up and just stay in position?

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Like, what is wrong with you? Nothing. What is

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wrong with me? I'm telling her to back up and

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turning my shoulder back. So what is she doing?

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Moving back because my shoulder is telling her

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to move back. Sorry, Zaina. Right. And I'm like,

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Klaus, Klaus, why aren't you close? Dumbass.

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Cause your shoulders back. Right. So like the

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tight, the most subtle things are like, um, I'm

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teaching them to go around to the right, whatever,

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whatever. Like if I just do one little thing

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different with my hand, all of a sudden the dog

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does the behavior. Yeah. Right. So, Um, that's

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like how alert and attentive they are and how

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much we have to pay attention and be aware and

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take responsibility. Right. Cause a lot of the

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time they're reacting certain ways cause we're

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just confusing them. Um, bottom line. And the

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good thing is the easiest thing to fix. Right.

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But like they are there. So and it depends on

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the dog. Some dogs are more mentally flexible

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than others. Right. Like I don't know if I gave

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this example before once, but like I was doing

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articles in the ring and I had to go take my

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article. So I go to the chair. It's like one

00:17:24.329 --> 00:17:26.930
step. Pick it up. Go to step back to her and

00:17:26.930 --> 00:17:29.960
she jumps up into a stand. right and I'm like

00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:35.559
the hell was that so I leave the ring and I'm

00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:38.599
like I'm like laughing to my friend I'm like

00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:41.160
I don't know what the hell that was about and

00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:45.440
she's like oh you did that I go I did she goes

00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:49.319
yes After you picked up the article, you took

00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.380
your hand and put your hair behind your ear.

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And God damn it, if she wasn't right, because

00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:56.680
as soon as I did that, Jaina jumped up because

00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.099
she's like, I don't know what that means. What

00:17:58.099 --> 00:18:02.819
are you doing? Yeah, like that's how literal

00:18:02.819 --> 00:18:05.700
she is now with another dog. I could do that

00:18:05.700 --> 00:18:08.559
now with her. I couldn't prove that out. Right.

00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:12.599
But she's trying so hard and she's so literal

00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.970
in that moment. That she's like, whoa, whoa,

00:18:16.009 --> 00:18:18.109
what does that mean? I don't know what that means.

00:18:18.369 --> 00:18:20.950
Yeah. Or maybe she thought it meant, oh, wait,

00:18:21.049 --> 00:18:23.109
am I supposed to do something? And she jumped

00:18:23.109 --> 00:18:30.970
up. Right. So that's something. And God. Humans

00:18:30.970 --> 00:18:33.349
have no idea what we're doing with like hands

00:18:33.349 --> 00:18:36.470
flapping all over. Yeah. Well, that's the thing.

00:18:36.509 --> 00:18:39.529
The dogs are so freaking intuitive. They are

00:18:39.529 --> 00:18:44.140
like. They watch everything. They're so in tune

00:18:44.140 --> 00:18:46.819
to every little body movement that we're making.

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It's crazy. And I think we forget it. We take

00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:55.980
it for granted. And then at the end of the day,

00:18:56.180 --> 00:19:00.000
like it is, it's always us, you know? Like what

00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.779
are we called? You know, one of the things with

00:19:02.779 --> 00:19:05.619
Stormy too, which we had talked about too, was

00:19:05.619 --> 00:19:10.529
like, I would leave her on things and she would

00:19:10.529 --> 00:19:14.170
like be doing like this weird head bobble thing

00:19:14.170 --> 00:19:16.589
and looking around and looking right and looking

00:19:16.589 --> 00:19:19.470
left. And I was like, oh my God, this dog, like

00:19:19.470 --> 00:19:22.549
she's, the dog gives me such beautiful attention.

00:19:22.730 --> 00:19:25.269
Like the dog could not try harder when she's

00:19:25.269 --> 00:19:27.589
like right with me all the time. But then when

00:19:27.589 --> 00:19:29.950
I was leaving her, she was swivel headed, swivel

00:19:29.950 --> 00:19:32.190
headed. And it was really just came down to like,

00:19:32.349 --> 00:19:37.710
she doesn't know where to look. like we just

00:19:37.710 --> 00:19:41.150
assume things you know but honestly like I'm

00:19:41.150 --> 00:19:43.309
like oh my god like and everybody's like well

00:19:43.309 --> 00:19:45.809
I think that she just doesn't know what she's

00:19:45.809 --> 00:19:48.910
supposed to do when you didn't know what to do

00:19:48.910 --> 00:19:52.250
where to look that's a very common thing yeah

00:19:52.250 --> 00:19:56.589
so common and I'm like and how easily is it to

00:19:56.589 --> 00:19:59.970
misconstrue that and say the dog is being distracted

00:19:59.970 --> 00:20:06.609
right but we can again deduce that Like, I'm

00:20:06.609 --> 00:20:09.829
pretty sure this was I was at your building and

00:20:09.829 --> 00:20:12.309
I saw her doing it. Well, there's nothing to

00:20:12.309 --> 00:20:17.089
look at. So she's not distracted because if I'm

00:20:17.089 --> 00:20:19.369
being objective that she's not there's nothing

00:20:19.369 --> 00:20:22.309
for her to look at. Right. So, again, this is

00:20:22.309 --> 00:20:25.710
how you come to draw the conclusion. Right. You

00:20:25.710 --> 00:20:28.690
say, oh, is she distracted? Well, she is if there's

00:20:28.690 --> 00:20:30.750
stuff to look at and she's looking at something

00:20:30.750 --> 00:20:34.009
specific. But if she's just bobbing her head

00:20:34.009 --> 00:20:36.369
around and there's nothing to look at, no, she's

00:20:36.369 --> 00:20:40.089
not looking at anything. Right. If we know that

00:20:40.089 --> 00:20:43.349
she should like typically gives you effort, then

00:20:43.349 --> 00:20:46.970
we can say, OK, it's not a lack of effort. So

00:20:46.970 --> 00:20:49.829
there's some sort of confusion. What is she confused

00:20:49.829 --> 00:20:53.250
about? Did I give her the right information consistently?

00:20:53.470 --> 00:20:56.450
Yes, I have. OK, what else is she confused about?

00:20:56.529 --> 00:20:59.029
Well, she doesn't know where to look. Right.

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Because. We make it clear when our dogs are in

00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:04.079
front of us, look at our face. When they're on

00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:05.779
heel position, look at our face. And then we

00:21:05.779 --> 00:21:08.839
walk away. And then we're just like assuming

00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:17.700
the dog looks at our hair, our back, our butt.

00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:22.940
Like what is it looking at, right? I mean. I

00:21:22.940 --> 00:21:24.579
won't go down a rabbit hole with that. Like,

00:21:24.579 --> 00:21:26.380
cause I figured this out a bunch of years ago,

00:21:26.420 --> 00:21:28.359
but like, they don't know what to look at. So

00:21:28.359 --> 00:21:32.200
teach, give the dog a focal point. Right. Look

00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:36.400
at my hand. Oh, look, it goes away. Okay. Problem

00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.140
solved. That's what the dog was saying. I don't

00:21:39.140 --> 00:21:40.839
know what you want. I don't know where I'm supposed

00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:45.069
to look, but it. It's not like, like you, again,

00:21:45.269 --> 00:21:48.049
it's not like the dog's head bobbles and we instantly

00:21:48.049 --> 00:21:50.589
go, oh yeah, I know what the problem is. No,

00:21:50.690 --> 00:21:55.109
you have to like gather the data. Yep. Right.

00:21:55.390 --> 00:21:58.009
Look at the environment. Look at what happened

00:21:58.009 --> 00:22:01.410
before. Look at what happened after. Get a little

00:22:01.410 --> 00:22:05.670
history on the dog and then draw some possibilities,

00:22:05.910 --> 00:22:09.549
test them out. Oh, okay. Look here. That's what

00:22:09.549 --> 00:22:14.180
it was. And then after a while. As things, you

00:22:14.180 --> 00:22:17.420
know, like as you gather more and more of these

00:22:17.420 --> 00:22:21.640
data points, it tends to get a little bit easier

00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:25.079
down the road. You get to know that dog and you

00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:29.660
kind of know like, like if this dog, like with

00:22:29.660 --> 00:22:33.619
Tyler, I knew if he made a mistake or if he wasn't

00:22:33.619 --> 00:22:38.460
getting something, 300 % he was confused. Like

00:22:38.460 --> 00:22:41.759
there was no other option. Because he always

00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:46.119
gave me 150 % effort. So when an instructor would

00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:48.680
say to me, oh, he's not paying attention or he's

00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:53.779
not this, I'd say, nope, no, he's confused. I

00:22:53.779 --> 00:22:56.400
know he's confused because he would never do

00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:01.660
the wrong thing, right? With a dog like Zaina,

00:23:02.059 --> 00:23:07.700
huh? Different story, right? I know her now pretty

00:23:07.700 --> 00:23:11.789
darn well to the point where, Half the time,

00:23:11.809 --> 00:23:14.930
more than a lot of the time, I'm looking at her

00:23:14.930 --> 00:23:17.630
and I know what she's thinking moment by moment.

00:23:18.029 --> 00:23:22.170
Because we've been together for a long time and

00:23:22.170 --> 00:23:25.829
I've worked on learning what she's saying to

00:23:25.829 --> 00:23:30.109
me for years. And then you start to see patterns

00:23:30.109 --> 00:23:32.829
and you start to put those patterns together.

00:23:33.269 --> 00:23:38.089
Right. And it doesn't hurt that she yells at

00:23:38.089 --> 00:23:41.299
me when she doesn't like something. Well, it's

00:23:41.299 --> 00:23:44.960
like, yeah. Well, it's like with every relationship,

00:23:45.299 --> 00:23:48.660
you know, like time brings you closer together.

00:23:48.779 --> 00:23:52.019
You learn more about each other and all the relationships

00:23:52.019 --> 00:23:55.740
you have with people. And, you know, like even

00:23:55.740 --> 00:23:59.259
like, like even people, like even when I'm with

00:23:59.259 --> 00:24:03.279
you, like I can look over at you in a building.

00:24:04.490 --> 00:24:08.369
We did that. I know exactly what they're thinking.

00:24:11.289 --> 00:24:16.890
Learn those behaviors and those, you know what

00:24:16.890 --> 00:24:19.309
I mean? That's just like you learn them. But

00:24:19.309 --> 00:24:22.609
the thing is, what's a little easier with not

00:24:22.609 --> 00:24:25.849
all humans, because all humans are not good communicators.

00:24:25.869 --> 00:24:28.930
So think about that, right? Like you and I, we

00:24:28.930 --> 00:24:32.700
communicate. Therefore. And we're like very straightforward,

00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:35.579
right? Like there's no game playing. I'm not,

00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:38.700
I don't say one thing, but mean another, like

00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:42.089
I'm a. straight shooter. You're a straight shooter.

00:24:42.369 --> 00:24:44.250
I'm not worried about hurting your feelings.

00:24:44.390 --> 00:24:46.190
If I think you're doing something stupid, I'm

00:24:46.190 --> 00:24:47.730
going to be like, dude, what are you doing? That's

00:24:47.730 --> 00:24:49.369
so stupid. And you're going to go, I don't care

00:24:49.369 --> 00:24:51.309
if you think it's stupid. I like it. So I'm going

00:24:51.309 --> 00:24:53.710
to keep doing it. Right. So if I'm like, what

00:24:53.710 --> 00:24:56.029
are you wearing? You'd be like, I like it. And

00:24:56.029 --> 00:24:58.430
then we'd be like, okay. And we'd move on. Right.

00:24:58.529 --> 00:25:00.910
Cause we're straight shooters and we just don't

00:25:00.910 --> 00:25:04.890
care. Now try having that kind of relation. You're

00:25:04.890 --> 00:25:07.150
not going to have that same relationship with

00:25:07.150 --> 00:25:11.940
someone that says, Oh, you look really good today.

00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.960
And they mean you look like shit. Or if I say,

00:25:15.019 --> 00:25:16.619
how are you doing? And they're like, oh, I'm

00:25:16.619 --> 00:25:18.819
great. And meanwhile, they're miserable. And

00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:20.619
then they're going, God, she can't even tell

00:25:20.619 --> 00:25:22.380
I'm miserable. What's wrong with her? Well, why

00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:24.279
don't you just tell me? Right. That's going to

00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:26.599
be a lot more complicated, that relationship.

00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:28.400
Like it's going to be a lot of work. I'm going

00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.259
to have to learn to read between the lines and

00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:35.079
have to put in a lot more effort that. Right.

00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.539
So. it's gonna it's a lot different like it's

00:25:38.539 --> 00:25:43.420
a very different relationship um you know relationship

00:25:43.420 --> 00:25:47.119
with someone that barely communicates that doesn't

00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.720
say how they're feeling and you have to like

00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:52.039
read between the lines you have to go oh every

00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.039
time he's hurt he goes out and he works on his

00:25:56.039 --> 00:26:01.000
car notice i'm using a guy right every time He's

00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:05.200
mad. He goes and he plays PlayStation. And now

00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.940
you have to put that. That's more like a dog,

00:26:08.059 --> 00:26:11.119
right? You have to look at the evidence and go,

00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:24.240
oh. That's hilarious. But, you know, just like

00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:29.039
anything, all dogs are different. If you want

00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:33.779
that relationship with the dog that's not a good

00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:36.160
communicator or that doesn't communicate the

00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:41.920
way you communicate, it's going to be a challenge.

00:26:41.980 --> 00:26:45.000
It's going to be a lot more work. You're going

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:50.400
to need to put that work in to figure the animal

00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:54.740
out. In all fairness, in the dog's case, they're

00:26:54.740 --> 00:26:59.519
always at a disadvantage. They're always trying

00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:02.579
to figure out what in the hell we want from them

00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:07.779
in this situation, in this moment. Yeah. And

00:27:07.779 --> 00:27:14.200
we're just really frustrating to them. Right.

00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:19.019
Like because we're terrible at it. So they're

00:27:19.019 --> 00:27:23.960
struggling and they're still trying. So we really

00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:28.599
owe it to them to put that effort in. You know,

00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:35.299
so I'm telling my students now, like. I want

00:27:35.299 --> 00:27:40.220
you to take sessions where you are not concerned

00:27:40.220 --> 00:27:45.319
about teaching your dog behaviors, where you

00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.119
are just going to focus on reading your dog.

00:27:49.259 --> 00:27:54.220
Right. So videotape it. Go somewhere where you

00:27:54.220 --> 00:27:58.680
typically work. do a bunch of behaviors with

00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:02.000
the dog, you know, do a bunch of whatever, but

00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.339
not with the goal of like, I want to improve

00:28:04.339 --> 00:28:08.160
this exercise. Just train the dog. Yeah. And

00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.259
while you're training the dog, challenge yourself

00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:15.400
to read the dog. Right. But you're also filming

00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:19.640
it. Then go back, look at the film and compare

00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.940
and go, did I read that right? Or maybe in the

00:28:21.940 --> 00:28:24.339
moment you're like, I don't know why he did just

00:28:24.339 --> 00:28:27.420
this dog just did this. Then go back and look

00:28:27.420 --> 00:28:30.359
at the video. Can I figure it out? Can I come

00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.599
up with some theories? Right. And then maybe

00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.259
you get somebody to help you. Right. Like so

00:28:36.259 --> 00:28:39.059
my students can ask me and I'll go, yeah, nice.

00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.680
You know, I think it's this or I think it's that.

00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:48.240
Right. Confirm or deny. But at least you're trying.

00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:52.220
And if you do that consistently, you're going

00:28:52.220 --> 00:28:54.740
to eventually start coming up with the right

00:28:54.740 --> 00:28:56.140
answer. And then you're going to come up with

00:28:56.140 --> 00:28:58.180
the right answer more and more. And then over

00:28:58.180 --> 00:29:02.839
time, you're going to be able to do it in the

00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.980
moment. Yeah. Super fast. In training. Yeah.

00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:12.839
But if you try and do that while you're training

00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:17.079
your dog, like teaching it things, you're going

00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:22.579
to fail because there's too much going on. Well,

00:29:22.700 --> 00:29:27.140
yeah, because it really is like it's so easy.

00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:30.079
It's easy. It's easier for people who have been

00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.819
doing it long enough to be able to have that

00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:35.319
ability to read in the moment, like you just

00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:38.000
said, over time that will eventually happen.

00:29:38.380 --> 00:29:41.200
And I think that's where it's very frustrating

00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.359
for a lot of people who are just starting out

00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.720
training dogs. And, you know, everybody learns

00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.460
at their own pace, obviously. So it can get a

00:29:51.460 --> 00:29:54.829
little frustrating. But yeah, like. It is a learned

00:29:54.829 --> 00:29:57.490
skill. Like, that's what I would say about reading

00:29:57.490 --> 00:30:00.970
dogs. It's an entire, like, totally separate

00:30:00.970 --> 00:30:05.390
skill set you need to be able to learn to be

00:30:05.390 --> 00:30:10.049
able, I think, to be able to train dogs, you

00:30:10.049 --> 00:30:12.309
know, well or efficiently. You know, you have

00:30:12.309 --> 00:30:17.920
to be able to read dogs. 100%. well and the reason

00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:20.779
people struggle is because they're so they're

00:30:20.779 --> 00:30:23.119
thinking about too many things at once right

00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:28.960
so the other half of that is the reason I can

00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.720
read dogs is not because like I have this magical

00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.049
mystical ability it's because I don't need to

00:30:37.049 --> 00:30:39.369
think about my footwork because I mastered it.

00:30:39.390 --> 00:30:42.109
Right. I don't need to think about using how

00:30:42.109 --> 00:30:44.769
to use my markers correctly, efficiently, accurately,

00:30:44.809 --> 00:30:46.970
because it's a habit. It just happens. There's

00:30:46.970 --> 00:30:50.849
no thought required. I've made that like, you

00:30:50.849 --> 00:30:55.859
know, it's subconscious. Yeah. the mid like um

00:30:55.859 --> 00:30:58.559
understanding what my criteria is like i sit

00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.839
down it's memorized ahead of time it's locked

00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.579
in my brain i know what it is therefore i recognize

00:31:04.579 --> 00:31:07.359
it i know what my strategy is how i'm going to

00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.559
react to it that's all clearly established in

00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.619
my head before i even get my dogs out to train

00:31:14.619 --> 00:31:18.420
therefore i don't need to think about it right

00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:25.009
so my handling is ironed out like I sit there

00:31:25.009 --> 00:31:28.130
I figure it out like this is going to be my signal

00:31:28.130 --> 00:31:30.730
I practice my signal a million times without

00:31:30.730 --> 00:31:33.650
the dog I make sure it's automatic there's no

00:31:33.650 --> 00:31:37.589
thought required to my signals they're the same

00:31:37.589 --> 00:31:41.450
every time so I don't need to think about it

00:31:41.450 --> 00:31:45.269
so a lot of times I think people are struggling

00:31:45.269 --> 00:31:47.930
not just to read dogs but with dog training in

00:31:47.930 --> 00:31:52.640
general is because they never take the time To

00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:57.059
master these individual foundational skills to

00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:01.000
the point where they require no thought. And

00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:06.339
so now their brain is on constant like overload

00:32:06.339 --> 00:32:11.920
because it's like, oh, turn right. Stop the dog.

00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:13.819
Oh, he made a mistake. I don't know what to do.

00:32:13.859 --> 00:32:16.640
Oh, wait, this signal. Oh, wait, my hand. But

00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:21.150
it's like too much going on. It is. And I think

00:32:21.150 --> 00:32:23.650
that it's like a really good point to say that,

00:32:23.730 --> 00:32:26.450
like that these things need to be separated out

00:32:26.450 --> 00:32:29.710
and mastered because I don't think a lot of,

00:32:29.710 --> 00:32:33.430
a lot of people are really told that. And I think

00:32:33.430 --> 00:32:36.410
that that's really, it becomes very discouraging.

00:32:36.410 --> 00:32:39.109
I feel like with a lot of people, a lot of students,

00:32:39.369 --> 00:32:42.069
they get really frustrated and really discouraged

00:32:42.069 --> 00:32:44.470
and they're like hard on themselves about it.

00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.740
Like, I see that a lot, and I explain that to

00:32:47.740 --> 00:32:50.200
them. I'm like, no, no, no. Like, these are just

00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.559
all separate skill sets that need to be mastered

00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.480
over time and putting work into each one separately

00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.079
before you can really blend them all together

00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.019
to be efficient in all of those things that you're

00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:06.859
trying to do. That's just time and work being

00:33:06.859 --> 00:33:09.680
put in. I think people get really discouraged

00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.910
by that and frustrated. That they're, you know,

00:33:12.910 --> 00:33:15.450
that I hear it, you know, like, oh, I'm so bad

00:33:15.450 --> 00:33:18.930
at this. Oh, I'm a terrible dog trainer. Yeah,

00:33:19.029 --> 00:33:22.089
more and more I'm going to make them, like, you

00:33:22.089 --> 00:33:25.789
know, master individual skills, right? Like,

00:33:25.789 --> 00:33:29.890
I'm weird. I guess I'm weird because, like, I

00:33:29.890 --> 00:33:32.470
know part of the problem is people like the sexy

00:33:32.470 --> 00:33:36.150
part. They like to train their dog. But the irony

00:33:36.150 --> 00:33:40.750
is that piece is going to be so much more fun.

00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:45.460
And so much more efficient and successful if

00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:49.700
you take the time, especially, you know, like

00:33:49.700 --> 00:33:52.720
if you take the time separately. So I remember

00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.779
like spending countless hours mastering my footwork,

00:33:57.859 --> 00:34:00.880
like in front of my house by myself, no dog.

00:34:00.940 --> 00:34:03.779
When I was in the food store, like with the cart,

00:34:03.859 --> 00:34:06.220
I'm like, at the time we used to do heel ball,

00:34:06.259 --> 00:34:09.030
but it doesn't matter. doing my footwork, doing

00:34:09.030 --> 00:34:10.949
my footwork, doing my footwork, like going to

00:34:10.949 --> 00:34:15.150
the bathroom, right? From like walking to the

00:34:15.150 --> 00:34:17.710
bathroom, like doing my footwork, keep your legs

00:34:17.710 --> 00:34:19.829
together, brush them. This is your rhythm, left,

00:34:19.969 --> 00:34:23.530
right, left, right. Or, you know, using a metronome,

00:34:23.530 --> 00:34:28.210
like all these things, like so that I didn't

00:34:28.210 --> 00:34:31.409
have to think about it anymore. Now, like once

00:34:31.409 --> 00:34:36.230
I mastered it for the rest of my life, it's mastered.

00:34:36.989 --> 00:34:39.969
Right. Right. Um, maybe sure I get a new dog.

00:34:40.050 --> 00:34:42.449
I have to make some adjustments, but that's not

00:34:42.449 --> 00:34:46.090
that hard. Same with marking, like getting my

00:34:46.090 --> 00:34:48.650
markers clear, getting the timing, like just

00:34:48.650 --> 00:34:53.030
focus on that or focus. Like I would stand in

00:34:53.030 --> 00:34:55.250
front of the mirror and be like, this is my down

00:34:55.250 --> 00:34:57.710
signal. Okay. Look at it. This is it. Get it

00:34:57.710 --> 00:35:00.329
in my body. And then I would practice it without

00:35:00.329 --> 00:35:03.789
the dog, like over and over, like in my house,

00:35:03.829 --> 00:35:06.679
wherever. Right. This is the down. This is a

00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:10.420
sit. This is a down. So that it's so that I don't

00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:12.860
have to think about it. And it's exactly the

00:35:12.860 --> 00:35:15.480
same every time. And it's perfect. And the timing

00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.280
is good. Like, I know it's so well that the second

00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.320
I don't do it right, my brain's like, I go, oh,

00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:28.699
shit. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Whereas

00:35:28.699 --> 00:35:31.099
other people, they don't even know. It's not

00:35:31.099 --> 00:35:33.670
even the same every time. Yeah. And I don't,

00:35:33.670 --> 00:35:37.769
I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So just take the time

00:35:37.769 --> 00:35:44.210
out to do that. And then once you have it. And

00:35:44.210 --> 00:35:47.070
a lot of it you can do in your head, like with

00:35:47.070 --> 00:35:50.170
mental practice and you can do that. Like I do

00:35:50.170 --> 00:35:53.389
mental practice while driving my car, while hiking

00:35:53.389 --> 00:35:56.309
my dog, like, you know, you don't even have to.

00:35:57.230 --> 00:36:02.260
So if you invest that time, it. frees up brain

00:36:02.260 --> 00:36:05.679
space now you don't have to think about it right

00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:09.860
and now training gets a lot easier and it gets

00:36:09.860 --> 00:36:12.480
a lot less frustrating and your dog is not as

00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.599
confused and over time you have enough things

00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:20.460
mastered now your dog yawns and I can go oh why

00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:23.920
did you just do that yeah well yeah because then

00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.440
you can just kind of do your like process of

00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:28.639
elimination I think people who haven't mastered

00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.650
the skills like that's Like I'll ask students

00:36:31.650 --> 00:36:32.929
all the time. I'll be like, well, why do you

00:36:32.929 --> 00:36:34.389
think you did that? And they'll go, I don't know,

00:36:34.389 --> 00:36:36.989
probably me because I'm not consistent. Bingo.

00:36:37.130 --> 00:36:40.469
Probably. That's probably pretty true. Yeah.

00:36:40.550 --> 00:36:43.130
So then go become consistent. Like if someone

00:36:43.130 --> 00:36:47.030
said that to me, I would go like, oh, my God,

00:36:47.250 --> 00:36:50.849
I got to get my act together. Exactly. Yeah.

00:36:51.550 --> 00:36:55.409
You know. Don't just say, oh, well, I'm not.

00:36:55.530 --> 00:36:58.329
Or if you say that, well, then you better damn

00:36:58.329 --> 00:37:00.670
well accept that your dog's not going to be consistent.

00:37:00.829 --> 00:37:03.130
And when your dog's not consistent, you better

00:37:03.130 --> 00:37:08.690
not get annoyed at your dog. That's right. That's

00:37:08.690 --> 00:37:12.769
right. And that is not fair. It's not fair. Yeah,

00:37:12.849 --> 00:37:16.769
it's not fair at all. Yeah. So we have to create

00:37:16.769 --> 00:37:21.690
these habits so that it frees us up. So that

00:37:21.690 --> 00:37:24.889
we can read the dogs and then we can have these

00:37:24.889 --> 00:37:28.909
beautiful conversations with them. Right. Like

00:37:28.909 --> 00:37:34.590
I'm in the ring and I'm like having a conversation

00:37:34.590 --> 00:37:37.929
with my dogs, like moment by moment by moment.

00:37:38.130 --> 00:37:41.389
I know what they're thinking. I can say like,

00:37:41.469 --> 00:37:45.710
you know. I go in the ring, I do rally and I'm

00:37:45.710 --> 00:37:48.429
in the middle of the run and I'm like, it's okay,

00:37:48.510 --> 00:37:50.590
Zesty. I know you're confused. Come on, you're

00:37:50.590 --> 00:37:53.190
good. It's okay. Like I can see it in his face.

00:37:53.469 --> 00:37:57.010
So then I can give him what he needs to help

00:37:57.010 --> 00:38:00.510
him out or Zaina, right? I can say, yeah, yeah,

00:38:00.510 --> 00:38:03.110
yeah. I know this is not what we normally do.

00:38:03.210 --> 00:38:06.849
It's okay. You're fine, right? You'll understand

00:38:06.849 --> 00:38:09.929
this better as we go down the road. I don't leave

00:38:09.929 --> 00:38:13.860
the ring and go, huh? That's weird. I wonder

00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:18.119
why they were like that, right? Because my brain

00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:22.500
is completely free, you know, all that other

00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:30.599
stuff. Now, the interesting thing was, and again,

00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.039
this shows how sensitive our dogs are, right?

00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.630
Like, So I did. I did rally the other day. I

00:38:37.630 --> 00:38:41.730
did my each dog. It was their last leg for rally

00:38:41.730 --> 00:38:45.130
novice. And I had studied those signs and I felt

00:38:45.130 --> 00:38:47.309
very confident. I knew the signs. There was no

00:38:47.309 --> 00:38:50.150
hesitation. And my dogs were so happy. I was

00:38:50.150 --> 00:38:52.829
like, oh, good. They figured it out. They get

00:38:52.829 --> 00:38:55.889
it now. Right. Then someone's like, you know,

00:38:55.929 --> 00:38:58.829
you can move up to advanced. I was like, I can.

00:38:59.550 --> 00:39:03.420
Of course, I wasn't prepared. Right. So, but

00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:05.800
I'm like, ah, screw it. Like, let me, what, let

00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.000
me move up to advanced. If I mess it up, I'm

00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.079
who cares. Right. Like, and I'll, we'll figure

00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.420
it out. But, and I did, but I had to think hard.

00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.380
Right. So here's this whole thinking thing I

00:39:17.380 --> 00:39:20.440
just talked about. So I'm doing the course and

00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.460
it's literally like half an hour. It may be an

00:39:23.460 --> 00:39:27.619
hour later than the other one. Right. And both

00:39:27.619 --> 00:39:30.840
dogs were different. And I know exactly why,

00:39:30.980 --> 00:39:35.019
because I was thinking so hard about the signs

00:39:35.019 --> 00:39:38.219
because I didn't like know all of them inside

00:39:38.219 --> 00:39:40.500
out. And I had to think about like what I was

00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:44.739
doing. And they're like, what's going on? You

00:39:44.739 --> 00:39:49.179
look different. Something is weird. Right. So

00:39:49.179 --> 00:39:52.900
sometimes when our dogs act differently, it's

00:39:52.900 --> 00:39:57.159
it's completely it's just us like we're not the

00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.199
same as in training, like in training. I am so

00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:03.739
clear headed and confident typically. Right.

00:40:03.820 --> 00:40:06.460
Because I typically know what I'm doing, that

00:40:06.460 --> 00:40:08.800
when I don't know what I'm doing and I'm really

00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.840
thinking, they're like, oh, this is weird. Right.

00:40:13.289 --> 00:40:16.369
And then they appear weird. They look like, you

00:40:16.369 --> 00:40:20.090
know, Zesty was like, oh, I don't I don't know.

00:40:20.309 --> 00:40:23.090
This is this is weird. He gets a little unsure.

00:40:23.429 --> 00:40:26.849
Right. And Zaina gets like annoyed. She's like,

00:40:26.909 --> 00:40:29.190
what are you doing? Like, I don't because she's

00:40:29.190 --> 00:40:31.210
like, dude, either you know what you're doing

00:40:31.210 --> 00:40:36.090
or I'll take over. Right. On my way. And if you

00:40:36.090 --> 00:40:38.150
don't know what you're doing, then move over.

00:40:38.369 --> 00:40:42.030
So don't don't lead me and act like you don't

00:40:42.030 --> 00:40:46.659
know what you're doing. right oh my god but I

00:40:46.659 --> 00:40:49.800
found it fascinating because like I didn't make

00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:54.900
any mistakes they they both did it right but

00:40:54.900 --> 00:41:00.000
I could tell their like their energy their they

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:03.559
they it was it just wasn't it was different right

00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:06.480
and I and I was like oh this is so interesting

00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:11.739
like to me it's interesting yeah um right And

00:41:11.739 --> 00:41:14.380
again, it's that whole like I could have left

00:41:14.380 --> 00:41:16.579
the ring and gone, oh, I wonder why they're so

00:41:16.579 --> 00:41:19.820
sucky. Why are they so sucky? Why are they being

00:41:19.820 --> 00:41:25.860
weird? Right. And it's not them. It's it was

00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:31.719
me. So so we have to really take responsibility

00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.480
for that. But when dogs do behavior sniffing,

00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.280
not like, oh, my God. It's not the mats, people.

00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:53.239
Sorry. It's not the mats. They're displacing.

00:41:54.260 --> 00:41:59.139
Something's going on, right? For sure. Or they

00:41:59.139 --> 00:42:02.579
wander or they're going to visit the judge. Stop

00:42:02.579 --> 00:42:05.820
telling me how friendly your dog is. I don't

00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:08.920
care how friendly they are. That's not what they're

00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:12.889
doing. Right. They're worried about something.

00:42:13.030 --> 00:42:15.670
They're displacing about something. They're confused

00:42:15.670 --> 00:42:19.969
about something. You need to figure out what

00:42:19.969 --> 00:42:22.750
or there's a hole in your training. Something

00:42:22.750 --> 00:42:25.650
is happening. The dog is not like, oh, I'm so

00:42:25.650 --> 00:42:28.130
friendly that I'm just going to get up. Right.

00:42:30.090 --> 00:42:34.789
No. You know, so all these behaviors, it's not

00:42:34.789 --> 00:42:38.449
always like that obvious thing. Right. Like.

00:42:39.690 --> 00:42:43.369
like in when i did rehab like dogs are stressed

00:42:43.369 --> 00:42:46.829
they're uncomfortable they're sore something's

00:42:46.829 --> 00:42:50.110
wrong with them they have to lay down i have

00:42:50.110 --> 00:42:53.510
to manipulate them right so i would take my time

00:42:53.510 --> 00:42:55.969
but the dogs would come in and they would yawn

00:42:55.969 --> 00:43:01.230
oh you're tired it's not don't assume it's that

00:43:01.230 --> 00:43:06.769
first obvious thing no the dog is not tired stressed

00:43:06.769 --> 00:43:11.150
out It's concerned. It's worried. Right? Look

00:43:11.150 --> 00:43:15.389
at the context. Look at everything else that's

00:43:15.389 --> 00:43:20.369
going on. Don't jump to the conclusion that this

00:43:20.369 --> 00:43:23.610
is the first most obvious thing I see. Therefore,

00:43:23.750 --> 00:43:27.929
that is what is happening. Right. It's usually

00:43:27.929 --> 00:43:31.590
more complicated. But for sure, within the context

00:43:31.590 --> 00:43:35.449
of training, like I remember when Zesty was young.

00:43:36.780 --> 00:43:40.179
There were a couple of times like he was a crackhead.

00:43:40.340 --> 00:43:43.260
He would work all till he dropped out. Like he

00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:47.099
just there was no like. So I had to determine

00:43:47.099 --> 00:43:52.599
when he was mentally tired. And there were a

00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.059
couple of. Oh, no. Yeah. So when he got mentally

00:43:57.059 --> 00:44:02.159
tired or when he got a little bit confused. He

00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.519
would just like wander away and then he would

00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:12.250
come back. Right. He wasn't really leaving. He

00:44:12.250 --> 00:44:15.349
was just like he needed to process like his brain

00:44:15.349 --> 00:44:21.010
hurt. Yeah. Yeah. And I had to go, oh. So I always

00:44:21.010 --> 00:44:23.409
like as soon as my dog does something, I go,

00:44:23.469 --> 00:44:28.230
hmm. Yeah. Why? Why is that happening? Hmm. Yeah.

00:44:28.469 --> 00:44:31.429
Right. I become curious and then I let him do

00:44:31.429 --> 00:44:33.849
it and I watch and then I'm like, OK, I have

00:44:33.849 --> 00:44:38.719
to really pay attention. Right. And see what's

00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.920
causing that. Right. Because that's another thing

00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.519
we didn't mention is sometimes they're just processing.

00:44:45.539 --> 00:44:50.179
So sometimes they'll sniff or they'll move away

00:44:50.179 --> 00:44:54.420
or they'll do something weird. And they're just

00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:56.699
they just need a minute. They're like, hold on.

00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:01.280
I just have to like. Yeah. processes, right?

00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:03.440
Can you think of an example? I'm trying to think

00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:07.219
of an example. I have an example with Salty that

00:45:07.219 --> 00:45:11.320
he's been doing a little bit. And it's always

00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.539
a telltale sign he needs a mental break. And

00:45:14.539 --> 00:45:16.920
it always happens in healing. Like I'll be healing

00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:22.460
him and the dog, like this dog puts in 150 ,000

00:45:22.460 --> 00:45:26.739
% in his healing. So it makes it a little bit,

00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:31.510
it's... it can cause me to heal him a little

00:45:31.510 --> 00:45:33.949
longer than I probably should. Cause he just

00:45:33.949 --> 00:45:37.710
gives, gives and gives he's that dog. So I can

00:45:37.710 --> 00:45:42.030
always tell because like I'll heal, I'll be healing.

00:45:42.050 --> 00:45:46.090
And then like, I'll like do a haul or stop and

00:45:46.090 --> 00:45:52.230
he will leave me and circle around my whole body

00:45:52.230 --> 00:45:55.289
and then get back into position. Like, and it's.

00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:58.480
And like at first I'm like, what the heck is

00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:02.039
that? But I've noticed like it's always when

00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.739
I, all of a sudden like he needs a mental break

00:46:04.739 --> 00:46:07.880
because healing takes so much concentration and

00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.800
he's only a puppy. He's only 11 months old. Like,

00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.539
so there's times where, again, like I have to

00:46:15.539 --> 00:46:18.099
be really careful with him because he just, he

00:46:18.099 --> 00:46:20.519
pushes, he'll just keep going and going with

00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.750
100 % effort. But I had to watch that a little

00:46:23.750 --> 00:46:26.309
bit because he needs like, it's just, it got

00:46:26.309 --> 00:46:29.309
too hard mentally for him. So he will take a

00:46:29.309 --> 00:46:33.969
break. He'll remove himself from doing it. And

00:46:33.969 --> 00:46:36.710
it's almost like he's like, hold on, hold on.

00:46:36.750 --> 00:46:38.949
I just need to check myself. And then he comes

00:46:38.949 --> 00:46:41.449
back and he's like, okay, I can do it again.

00:46:42.699 --> 00:46:45.320
That's an example I'm seeing. And this is so,

00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.599
and again, this is where it's so important to

00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:52.280
figure out why the dog's doing it first. Because

00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:56.079
in the old days, we would have corrected the

00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:01.179
dog for leaving. Right. Now, is that really what

00:47:01.179 --> 00:47:04.960
you want to be doing to a dog that's just processing?

00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.840
No, like now you're going to put like pressure

00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:11.710
on the dog and like that. that would be the totally

00:47:11.710 --> 00:47:14.869
wrong thing to do, right? To say, hey, where

00:47:14.869 --> 00:47:18.670
are you going? Don't leave me, naughty dog. No.

00:47:19.530 --> 00:47:25.889
Oh, sorry, buddy. I went too long. My bad. Lesson

00:47:25.889 --> 00:47:28.849
learned. Next time, I'm going to stop a little

00:47:28.849 --> 00:47:33.250
bit sooner, right? Like, totally different way

00:47:33.250 --> 00:47:38.650
you would react to the dog, to that behavior.

00:47:41.380 --> 00:47:46.000
So that's why when my dog does something, I don't

00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.760
react immediately. I go, huh. And I figure it

00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:54.539
out first. Once I figure it out, then I come

00:47:54.539 --> 00:47:57.420
up with a strategy. But I don't do a strategy

00:47:57.420 --> 00:48:03.179
until I understand, like, why did my dog do that?

00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:08.739
Right. Because, like, I figured out even in nose

00:48:08.739 --> 00:48:12.679
work. And sometimes Dusty would be searching

00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:16.480
and then all of a sudden he just like. His nose

00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.159
was still down, but he's just kind of running

00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.000
around and it could look like he's searching,

00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.300
but I could tell he wasn't right. And I'd be

00:48:25.300 --> 00:48:31.139
like, why is he doing that? Right. And I was

00:48:31.139 --> 00:48:34.800
like, I don't understand. And then one day I

00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:39.809
realized, oh, when it gets. hard because this

00:48:39.809 --> 00:48:42.730
was like pretty much very early on and I didn't

00:48:42.730 --> 00:48:44.389
know what the hell I was doing and I'm sure I

00:48:44.389 --> 00:48:47.250
was setting up some searches that were too challenging

00:48:47.250 --> 00:48:52.969
and you know whatever um and all of a sudden

00:48:52.969 --> 00:48:58.670
I realized oh it's hard he can't figure it out

00:48:58.670 --> 00:49:02.809
so he's just like I'm out and it's not even like

00:49:02.809 --> 00:49:06.030
he bailed as much as he was just like overwhelmed

00:49:06.030 --> 00:49:11.360
yeah right So I was like, oh, all right. So this

00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:15.800
is really good information because it means I

00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.639
need to do I'm doing something wrong. I need

00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.619
to do something different. Right. Like I have

00:49:21.619 --> 00:49:24.260
to change what I'm doing so he can be more. And

00:49:24.260 --> 00:49:27.860
guess what? Changed it. Went away. Went away.

00:49:28.460 --> 00:49:34.639
Right. So, again, it's like observing. And then

00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.480
trying to figure it out. Like, why did I figure

00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.500
it out right away? No. Like it was weeks of me

00:49:42.500 --> 00:49:45.539
just go scratching my head. Like, but at the

00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:48.699
same time I kept scratching my head. Cause I

00:49:48.699 --> 00:49:51.659
was like, I don't, I don't have the skillset

00:49:51.659 --> 00:49:56.699
in the sports who understand. Right. So like,

00:49:56.719 --> 00:50:02.099
I need to like give myself time to figure this

00:50:02.099 --> 00:50:05.059
out. Yeah. Right. And then I don't know, something

00:50:05.059 --> 00:50:07.760
happened. I think maybe Zaina struggled on the

00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.480
search and then he struggled. And then I went,

00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:12.920
oh, and I like put it together. I forget. But

00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.539
eventually I put it together. But again, I didn't

00:50:15.539 --> 00:50:18.960
put it together right away. Right. Like it took

00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:23.039
time. But I'm OK with that. Like I'm OK with,

00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:29.320
you know. Taking the time. To figure out, like,

00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:35.199
why is my dog. doing this right and like is my

00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.239
and I my instructor helped me right because she

00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.659
knows better than me and I'd be like right now

00:50:41.659 --> 00:50:45.500
I'd go do you think he's searching or not like

00:50:45.500 --> 00:50:48.199
because I don't think he is what do you think

00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.159
Right. Because like she knows better than me.

00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:55.860
So getting that help from someone I trust, I

00:50:55.860 --> 00:50:58.039
wasn't just going to ask any Tom, Dick and Harry

00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.619
because like, you know, I have to feel confident

00:51:00.619 --> 00:51:05.219
this person knows what they're doing. But I trust

00:51:05.219 --> 00:51:08.900
her and I had to be like, you know, confirm or

00:51:08.900 --> 00:51:11.000
deny. Like, do you think I'm right or wrong?

00:51:11.059 --> 00:51:12.900
And if you think I'm wrong, great. Like, what

00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:16.239
do you think is happening? You know? Right. Right.

00:51:18.380 --> 00:51:22.599
So I think the key is it's observation. It can

00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:26.659
be multiple things. Gather data. Be patient.

00:51:26.739 --> 00:51:31.599
It may take you weeks or more to figure it out.

00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:37.860
But take the time to do it. Work on that skill

00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:42.800
separately from other things. So another nose

00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.900
work example is like I was trying to figure out.

00:51:46.860 --> 00:51:52.360
When, like sometimes if the area is blank, like

00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.039
if there's nothing, like sometimes I can't tell

00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.260
if Zest is just running around or if he's actually

00:51:58.260 --> 00:52:01.900
searching and there's nothing there. So I watched

00:52:01.900 --> 00:52:05.239
a webinar and a suggestion was, which was brilliant.

00:52:05.380 --> 00:52:10.480
I was like, duh, set up a search area. And I

00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.119
did this and put nothing in there and observe

00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.690
your dog. Right. And I got a camera, too, to

00:52:16.690 --> 00:52:20.530
help me. Right. And so I did that and I observed

00:52:20.530 --> 00:52:23.269
him and I just observed him. I was like, stop

00:52:23.269 --> 00:52:25.889
trying to fake. Just observe him. Just like no

00:52:25.889 --> 00:52:29.809
pressure. Just whatever. Put him away. Did a

00:52:29.809 --> 00:52:33.670
search somewhere else. And then I put a hide

00:52:33.670 --> 00:52:38.489
in that same area, went back in later with him

00:52:38.489 --> 00:52:44.300
completely different. And I'm like, oh. Now I

00:52:44.300 --> 00:52:48.420
can see the difference. So all I was working

00:52:48.420 --> 00:52:53.139
on there was me reading the dog. I was not working

00:52:53.139 --> 00:52:56.199
on training. And that's what I'm trying to get

00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:58.880
people to understand, right? Like you can't train

00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.539
your dog and learn to read it at the same time.

00:53:01.659 --> 00:53:05.239
You have to make a dedicated effort to do this

00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:11.179
as a separate activity. And you need to do it

00:53:11.179 --> 00:53:13.960
all the time, everywhere. I do this all the time.

00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.760
It doesn't have to always just be in the context

00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:19.920
of, like, doing a training session. We talk about

00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.420
this all the time. I'm reading my dogs all the

00:53:22.420 --> 00:53:25.559
time. Just take your dog through, like, go take

00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:30.159
your dog downtown. Like, read your dog out of

00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.500
the context of training, right? Look for, like...

00:53:35.309 --> 00:53:38.849
Physical behavioral signs when your dog is excited,

00:53:39.050 --> 00:53:41.010
when your dog is worried, when your dog is just

00:53:41.010 --> 00:53:43.650
distracted, like all those things that you can

00:53:43.650 --> 00:53:46.670
see them outside in their everyday pet life,

00:53:46.869 --> 00:53:50.690
you know, take your dog to the vet and sit in

00:53:50.690 --> 00:53:52.550
the waiting room. You'll see all sorts of good

00:53:52.550 --> 00:53:56.630
stuff there. Yeah. And then you're just gathering

00:53:56.630 --> 00:54:00.250
like a whole pool of data that you can refer

00:54:00.250 --> 00:54:05.420
to and that it's all going to help you. Two,

00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.820
like anytime you get a chance to like read other

00:54:08.820 --> 00:54:13.059
people's dogs. I do think one reason I can read

00:54:13.059 --> 00:54:18.300
dogs relatively well and very quickly is because

00:54:18.300 --> 00:54:22.519
of my history, right? So like, for example, well,

00:54:22.619 --> 00:54:25.130
A, I'm a... we've talked about this a little,

00:54:25.210 --> 00:54:28.030
I'm an observer. So like, I've always observed

00:54:28.030 --> 00:54:32.510
people. So I do observe dogs. I observe all animals.

00:54:32.590 --> 00:54:35.849
Like I find it like fascinating. Like even when

00:54:35.849 --> 00:54:38.030
I go do nose work, there are goats there. Right.

00:54:38.070 --> 00:54:40.469
And I don't know anything about goats. And I'm

00:54:40.469 --> 00:54:43.429
like, I find myself by default, like I'm not

00:54:43.429 --> 00:54:45.570
even doing it consciously. I'm like observing

00:54:45.570 --> 00:54:49.570
them. And I'm like, huh, interesting. Like they,

00:54:49.730 --> 00:54:54.010
when I have Zaina out. To potty her, they always

00:54:54.010 --> 00:54:56.269
come up. Right. They're always like they come

00:54:56.269 --> 00:54:58.730
up to the gate like, hey, they're like, hey,

00:54:58.949 --> 00:55:02.750
Zane ignores them, but they come up. I take Zesty

00:55:02.750 --> 00:55:05.349
out to potty him. He ignores them. They don't

00:55:05.349 --> 00:55:08.750
come near the gate. Hmm. Interesting. I know.

00:55:08.869 --> 00:55:13.289
Right. And so like I'm an observer. Right. So

00:55:13.289 --> 00:55:17.130
that's an important skill to have. Then I did

00:55:17.130 --> 00:55:19.869
rehab on dogs. Well, guess what? If I ain't paying

00:55:19.869 --> 00:55:24.099
attention. Yeah. teeth and my body. Right. Which

00:55:24.099 --> 00:55:29.139
is not fun. So that makes you a really good observer.

00:55:29.699 --> 00:55:34.980
But also, too, like I I do the online classes.

00:55:35.019 --> 00:55:38.480
So all I do is watch video and like as a physical

00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:41.719
therapist, I have to observe and analyze. Right.

00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.940
So it's this constant observation thing, taking

00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:49.179
in data, taking in data. So. If you're, you should

00:55:49.179 --> 00:55:52.440
be like, I can't help it. Like it's automatic.

00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:56.519
If I'm in a class or like my training partner

00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.320
is doing searches with her dog, I'm watching

00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:03.079
her dog. I'm not just daydreaming. I don't only

00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:07.300
care about my dog. I watch her dog. Her dog searches

00:56:07.300 --> 00:56:12.460
so completely different than my dog that in terms

00:56:12.460 --> 00:56:15.380
of it helping me read my dogs, it's useless.

00:56:16.030 --> 00:56:19.110
but it's still interesting. And maybe it will

00:56:19.110 --> 00:56:23.269
help me with a future dog, right? So I'm still

00:56:23.269 --> 00:56:28.570
watching her dog. I'm still watching and I analyze

00:56:28.570 --> 00:56:31.090
all my students' dogs. So I tell my students,

00:56:31.130 --> 00:56:34.750
you should be watching the other dogs. You should

00:56:34.750 --> 00:56:38.010
be analyzing those dogs. You should be listening

00:56:38.010 --> 00:56:43.199
to my feedback on those dogs. Because the more

00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:47.780
you do that, the better you get in general at

00:56:47.780 --> 00:56:50.780
reading dog behavior. And that will make you

00:56:50.780 --> 00:56:54.880
better at reading your own dog's behavior. Right.

00:56:54.920 --> 00:57:01.739
Exactly. Read all the dogs. All the time. Pay

00:57:01.739 --> 00:57:09.400
attention. Damn it. Damn it. Pay attention. Okay.

00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.400
Thanks, everybody. Thank you. Happy training.

00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:13.760
Bye bye.
