WEBVTT 00:00:11.339 --> 00:00:13.359 Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Canine Connection 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:18.179 podcast. So today, Lori and I, we're going to 00:00:18.179 --> 00:00:23.699 talk about my super, super, super baby, baby, 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:28.199 baby beginning steps and nose work. But it's 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:31.859 also going to lead into reading your dogs. And 00:00:31.859 --> 00:00:33.979 I think that's something we're going to build 00:00:33.979 --> 00:00:36.479 on. Probably, I'm guessing, for more than one 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:42.530 episode. Because... Well, it's just very complicated. 00:00:42.609 --> 00:00:45.350 It's something that the vast majority of our 00:00:45.350 --> 00:00:49.009 students struggle with. We've talked about this. 00:00:49.350 --> 00:00:53.689 And recently someone contacted me, someone that 00:00:53.689 --> 00:00:55.969 I respect and know, and that person was like, 00:00:56.070 --> 00:00:58.590 hey, guys, you really need to do a podcast on 00:00:58.590 --> 00:01:03.549 it. People struggle on it. So first off, I thought, 00:01:03.630 --> 00:01:08.180 I said, well, I know that, but... it's really 00:01:08.180 --> 00:01:13.200 hard to teach. Like, and for me, I feel like 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:15.739 it's this weird intuitive thing, but I'm like, 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:18.799 it can't be. So I started spending a lot of time 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:20.760 thinking about it. And I started thinking about, 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:24.540 okay, like maybe we need to start brainstorming 00:01:24.540 --> 00:01:29.159 about how we can break it down into a way that 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:34.310 people can kind of understand. So in the meantime, 00:01:34.489 --> 00:01:36.969 something interesting happened, which is I've 00:01:36.969 --> 00:01:39.689 started doing nose work with my dogs. Right. 00:01:40.290 --> 00:01:43.829 And nose work is especially when you've done 00:01:43.829 --> 00:01:47.430 a bunch of different sports, which all where 00:01:47.430 --> 00:01:53.670 all of which, you know. What what the parameters 00:01:53.670 --> 00:01:56.969 are. So, for example, if I do field work, I know 00:01:56.969 --> 00:02:00.340 where the birds are. It is a known. It's not 00:02:00.340 --> 00:02:02.819 a secret. It's not a surprise. Everybody knows 00:02:02.819 --> 00:02:05.780 where the birds will land. When you do agility, 00:02:06.019 --> 00:02:08.639 everybody sees the course. They do the same course. 00:02:08.740 --> 00:02:11.259 They walk the same course. They know what the 00:02:11.259 --> 00:02:13.319 rules are. They know where the contacts are. 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.099 You run the course. You know if your dog failed 00:02:16.099 --> 00:02:20.439 or not, right? Same with obedience and rally. 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:24.259 Nose work, completely different animal. You don't 00:02:24.259 --> 00:02:27.280 know where the hides are. And when you get to 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:29.819 the higher levels, let's be clear, I've not gotten 00:02:29.819 --> 00:02:32.879 there. There are situations where there are no 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:37.240 hides in the search area. And you must say, after 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.039 the dog searches for a certain amount of time, 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.159 you need to make a decision on your own and say, 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:47.120 there are no more here. Or they'll say there 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:50.000 could be zero to three hides. And in any event, 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.629 you need to be able to not just say. My dog found 00:02:53.629 --> 00:02:56.069 it. You must also say there is nothing here. 00:02:57.270 --> 00:03:00.969 And you don't know the answer. So from someone 00:03:00.969 --> 00:03:03.449 that's come from all these predictable sports, 00:03:03.650 --> 00:03:09.409 holy cow, it is a like jumping into an ice cold 00:03:09.409 --> 00:03:13.990 pool because you're like, whoa. And like when 00:03:13.990 --> 00:03:17.150 I even when I call alert and my dog is clear 00:03:17.150 --> 00:03:21.710 as day, like it's here, indicates it looks at 00:03:21.710 --> 00:03:29.159 me. I'm still like alert. I don't know for sure. 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:38.479 So talk about a huge part of this whole teamwork 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:44.599 scenario being you reading your dog. Right. I 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:49.300 realized when talking with some of my training 00:03:49.300 --> 00:03:52.710 partners and. and my friend yesterday we talked 00:03:52.710 --> 00:03:56.189 about reading dogs and it was kind of interesting 00:03:56.189 --> 00:03:59.689 because from something my friend poor Carl Carl 00:03:59.689 --> 00:04:03.370 said right but Carl's trying really hard was 00:04:03.370 --> 00:04:08.050 his interpretation which was a really good point 00:04:08.050 --> 00:04:11.949 I realized something he said was that to him 00:04:11.949 --> 00:04:15.409 reading a dog and I'm sure he's not the only 00:04:15.409 --> 00:04:23.379 one is this kind of almost like intangible, mythical 00:04:23.379 --> 00:04:29.379 thing. And what we actually talked about was, 00:04:29.500 --> 00:04:35.699 yeah, it's not that. It's data. It's collecting 00:04:35.699 --> 00:04:41.620 data, collecting evidence, and then drawing a 00:04:41.620 --> 00:04:49.399 conclusion based on the evidence. For example, 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:54.759 different dogs are going to be different. So 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:59.579 when Zaina searches an area, to me, she's easy 00:04:59.579 --> 00:05:04.459 to read because she's very methodical. So as 00:05:04.459 --> 00:05:09.879 she covers an area, I can visually see she sniffed 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:13.860 here and she didn't give me any behavior showing 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:18.750 odor. So therefore, when we move on, I feel comfortable 00:05:18.750 --> 00:05:24.269 saying that area was clear. Right. And the data 00:05:24.269 --> 00:05:30.370 confirms that because for the vast majority of 00:05:30.370 --> 00:05:34.689 time, she is correct. Therefore, I can feel confident 00:05:34.689 --> 00:05:38.430 saying that when she leaves and when she sniffs 00:05:38.430 --> 00:05:42.170 an area and leaves it, if she leaves it, there 00:05:42.170 --> 00:05:48.500 is nothing there. But Zesty, very different. 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:54.279 He is like 8 ,000 miles an hour, looks like a 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:57.459 bull in a china shop, dives into the search area 00:05:57.459 --> 00:06:00.540 and is going so fast, it makes my head spin. 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:04.639 Like, because I have to keep track of where did 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:08.540 he search, where didn't he search. And I'm trying 00:06:08.540 --> 00:06:10.939 to like read him and everything's happening at 00:06:10.939 --> 00:06:14.670 lightning speed. Now, sometimes. And this is 00:06:14.670 --> 00:06:17.350 very deceptive. He looked like, sometimes I'm 00:06:17.350 --> 00:06:21.709 like, I don't even think he's sniffing. And then 00:06:21.709 --> 00:06:24.709 all of a sudden he catapult, like he runs. And 00:06:24.709 --> 00:06:26.389 I'm like, he's not even sniffing. And he goes 00:06:26.389 --> 00:06:28.930 straight to a hide. And he's like, it's here. 00:06:29.050 --> 00:06:33.689 And he's correct. So I'm like, crap. I read that 00:06:33.689 --> 00:06:36.790 wrong. And sometimes he doesn't look like he's 00:06:36.790 --> 00:06:39.350 searching and he's not searching. Sometimes I'm 00:06:39.350 --> 00:06:41.290 like, is he searching or not? And he sometimes 00:06:41.290 --> 00:06:44.430 he is, sometimes he's not. So it's very, to me 00:06:44.430 --> 00:06:53.850 right now, confusing. So I realized this last 00:06:53.850 --> 00:06:56.990 week on my own when I was like in the park and 00:06:56.990 --> 00:06:58.730 I was like, oh God, I don't even know what the 00:06:58.730 --> 00:07:00.569 hell this dog's doing right now. I was like, 00:07:00.610 --> 00:07:03.819 all right, Houston, we have a problem. Like I 00:07:03.819 --> 00:07:10.899 need to isolate my ability to read the dog, right? 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:16.060 Separate from a trial, separate from in the moment 00:07:16.060 --> 00:07:20.240 doing a search because, and I think this is a 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:22.579 big problem people have, and we've talked about 00:07:22.579 --> 00:07:26.360 this a little bit, is when you as the handler 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:30.420 are doing multiple things at once. you don't 00:07:30.420 --> 00:07:34.300 have enough brain space left to also read the 00:07:34.300 --> 00:07:36.819 dog and especially not read them really fast 00:07:36.819 --> 00:07:40.459 and rapid from there or to learn how to read 00:07:40.459 --> 00:07:44.740 them. If I know how to read them, maybe, but 00:07:44.740 --> 00:07:47.920 not if I'm learning. All right. And we've talked 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.879 about how in obedience and rally and pretty much 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:53.040 every sport you're thinking about so many things, 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.660 you don't have enough bandwidth left. So I realized. 00:07:57.610 --> 00:08:02.050 last week I was like oh I have to isolate this 00:08:02.050 --> 00:08:09.610 and work on this completely separately from searching 00:08:09.610 --> 00:08:14.430 and I thought that was like a really great insight 00:08:14.430 --> 00:08:17.889 in the sense that so now I talked to my friend 00:08:17.889 --> 00:08:21.269 about this yesterday who says this is Carl he 00:08:21.269 --> 00:08:23.970 says I have I can't read the dog I need help 00:08:25.420 --> 00:08:29.060 So I said, I think that one thing you need to 00:08:29.060 --> 00:08:32.519 do is you need to work on that separate. You 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:36.019 can't be quote unquote training your dog and 00:08:36.019 --> 00:08:39.019 learning how to read your dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.460 yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a huge piece because 00:08:43.460 --> 00:08:49.960 I think this is really hitting the nail on the 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:55.120 coffin, so to speak, where people really. When 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:56.740 you say, you know, you need to learn to read 00:08:56.740 --> 00:08:59.759 the dog, it's like easier said than done because 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:02.820 two pieces, like you just kind of talked about, 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:08.539 is do you even know what you're looking for? 00:09:09.500 --> 00:09:15.740 Like, are you recognizing anything? And the difference 00:09:15.740 --> 00:09:18.639 between Zaina and Zesty is like you've sort of 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:23.220 been able to recognize. her easier because of 00:09:23.220 --> 00:09:27.340 the way she's searching opposed to zesty because 00:09:27.340 --> 00:09:31.840 he's a little bit um not as methodical so it's 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:36.039 a little more difficult to recognize it he might 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:38.620 have multiple ways of doing it which is even 00:09:38.620 --> 00:09:42.200 harder so learning how to like do you even know 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:45.259 what you're looking for can you even recognize 00:09:45.259 --> 00:09:50.960 the behavior of reading the dog and the efficiency 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.419 of doing so, right? Like that's a big piece. 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:57.220 Like, like you just said, with somebody who's, 00:09:57.220 --> 00:10:04.360 who's not quite, you know, really fluent in being 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:07.139 able to read a dog, let alone their own dog, 00:10:07.299 --> 00:10:12.600 having to train the dog and also learn or try 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:16.379 to read the dog, it's too difficult. Right. So 00:10:16.379 --> 00:10:18.860 that's where I think that big struggle is like 00:10:18.860 --> 00:10:22.480 this is the big the big missing piece. And this 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.539 is why like I and I know you too. We've talked 00:10:26.539 --> 00:10:31.360 about this too is I'm reading my dog in everyday 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.460 life in every fucking scenario. Like I'm forced 00:10:34.460 --> 00:10:36.879 to do it, especially in my house because I live 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:40.159 with six dogs now. I have to read them. I have 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:43.399 to read to make sure like nothing bad happens 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:47.559 to them. You know, and then I I read them when 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:49.500 I'm hiking. I read them when I get them out of 00:10:49.500 --> 00:10:52.360 the car. Like I'm constantly reading them when 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:55.679 I'm not actively training them, which gives. 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:59.399 So that's where people get stuck, though. Right. 00:10:59.500 --> 00:11:02.480 So we say reading and they're like, well, what 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:06.299 does that really mean? Right. Yeah. So and this 00:11:06.299 --> 00:11:08.500 is will align with the first thing which says, 00:11:08.620 --> 00:11:10.279 which do you even know what you're looking for? 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:13.460 Because because we don't like in search. I don't 00:11:13.460 --> 00:11:17.259 know. Right. So a couple of things. One is what 00:11:17.259 --> 00:11:19.960 did I do? I came home. I immediately bought some 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:24.980 webinars on how to clear a blank area. And they 00:11:24.980 --> 00:11:30.519 are and they're the person that Stacey Barnett 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.059 is a really good webinar. It's on her website. 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:37.340 And she's talking about these are. things they 00:11:37.340 --> 00:11:39.720 do and showing video of different dogs doing 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:42.860 it so that's good information for me now again 00:11:42.860 --> 00:11:46.299 I'm gonna have that does that mean my dog's gonna 00:11:46.299 --> 00:11:49.059 exhibit those same things maybe yes maybe no 00:11:49.059 --> 00:11:52.740 but at least it gives me some ideas but basically 00:11:52.740 --> 00:11:56.320 and this was a great comparison and kudos to 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:59.330 Carl for this one yesterday Because he was because 00:11:59.330 --> 00:12:01.710 we're like, basically, it's you have to collect 00:12:01.710 --> 00:12:04.929 data. You have to look at what happened immediately 00:12:04.929 --> 00:12:08.789 before and immediately after. So somehow we got 00:12:08.789 --> 00:12:11.350 talking about a baby because he said, oh, you 00:12:11.350 --> 00:12:14.730 mean like when you have an infant and they're 00:12:14.730 --> 00:12:18.350 crying and you don't know what they want and 00:12:18.350 --> 00:12:21.929 you have to figure it out. Are they hungry? Are 00:12:21.929 --> 00:12:25.629 they tired? Are they sick? Do they have to go 00:12:25.629 --> 00:12:28.370 to the bathroom? How do you know? Well, it's 00:12:28.370 --> 00:12:31.250 not this magical, mystical thing. It's cause 00:12:31.250 --> 00:12:33.669 and effect. If I offer you food and you eat and 00:12:33.669 --> 00:12:36.549 you stop crying, you are hungry. If you don't 00:12:36.549 --> 00:12:41.289 want to eat and oh, your diaper's getting dirty, 00:12:41.429 --> 00:12:43.929 well, that means you were crying that way because 00:12:43.929 --> 00:12:47.169 you had to go to the bathroom. Are neither of 00:12:47.169 --> 00:12:49.389 those things happening and you're still crying? 00:12:49.490 --> 00:12:51.370 Let me check. Do you have a fever? Oh, you have 00:12:51.370 --> 00:12:56.970 a fever. You're looking at the data and you're 00:12:56.970 --> 00:13:01.649 coming to a conclusion based on a ruling things 00:13:01.649 --> 00:13:05.570 out. Yeah. Right. So like in obedience, we were 00:13:05.570 --> 00:13:08.809 talking about did the dog act that way because 00:13:08.809 --> 00:13:11.929 it was distracted, because it was feeling pressure, 00:13:12.169 --> 00:13:15.710 because it was confused, because your handling 00:13:15.710 --> 00:13:17.929 was off. Let's say those are the things you're 00:13:17.929 --> 00:13:21.480 trying to rule out. OK, well. Add some distraction. 00:13:21.779 --> 00:13:24.320 Does the dog do the same thing? Take the distraction 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:26.779 away. Does your dog not do it? Guess what? You 00:13:26.779 --> 00:13:29.840 can conclude it was distraction, right? So in 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:33.299 essence, quote unquote, reading is really more 00:13:33.299 --> 00:13:37.320 like gathering data and interpreting the data 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.460 based on what happens before and what happens 00:13:41.460 --> 00:13:45.500 after cause and effect. So back in the old days 00:13:45.500 --> 00:13:48.299 when we did a figure eight and we had human posts. 00:13:49.129 --> 00:13:52.269 and the judge. So you're approaching three people. 00:13:53.149 --> 00:13:57.289 So Zeal would get really excited after his healing 00:13:57.289 --> 00:13:59.289 because he loved to heal and he was done. He's 00:13:59.289 --> 00:14:01.529 like, oh. And then I'd go, okay, we're doing 00:14:01.529 --> 00:14:04.889 a figure eight. And he didn't like all the people 00:14:04.889 --> 00:14:07.070 and the pressure. So I would approach the figure 00:14:07.070 --> 00:14:10.370 eight 100 % of the time. I would sit him and 00:14:10.370 --> 00:14:12.149 say, we're doing the figure eight. He would yawn. 00:14:12.409 --> 00:14:15.389 Now, a lot of people will conclude he's yawning 00:14:15.389 --> 00:14:18.960 because he's stressed. He was not. How do I know 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.840 that? Data. Because he would yawn. And then as 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:27.559 soon as the judge said forward, I better get 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:29.740 the hell out of Dodge because he was shooting 00:14:29.740 --> 00:14:32.919 out of there like a rocket. And he was happy 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.399 and animated and bouncy and bouncy. So if he 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:38.320 was stressed, he would not have healed like that. 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:43.019 Right. So what I concluded was he was yawning 00:14:43.019 --> 00:14:46.259 like that to what he would yawn like that to 00:14:46.259 --> 00:14:49.419 kind of. help him focus because he was like I 00:14:49.419 --> 00:14:52.500 gotta focus right there's people here this is 00:14:52.500 --> 00:14:56.460 hard I was just excited I gotta get my act together 00:14:56.460 --> 00:15:00.659 and I need to focus right and so that's what 00:15:00.659 --> 00:15:04.000 that yawn meant for him now I didn't read that 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:07.019 because I'm a savant I read that based on the 00:15:07.019 --> 00:15:10.649 evidence of What happened before, he was really 00:15:10.649 --> 00:15:14.210 excited. What happened, he yawned. He was a little 00:15:14.210 --> 00:15:17.409 bit calmer, but he was still energetic and happy 00:15:17.409 --> 00:15:23.529 and so on. So I came to that conclusion based 00:15:23.529 --> 00:15:32.610 on the information, right? So that's why I think 00:15:32.610 --> 00:15:37.429 where people have to start. is A, they have to 00:15:37.429 --> 00:15:40.830 videotape, right? Because in the moment, you're 00:15:40.830 --> 00:15:43.450 probably not going to be able to do it. Then 00:15:43.450 --> 00:15:47.529 I suggested to Carl, go in your building, train 00:15:47.529 --> 00:15:50.129 your dog, but don't do anything complicated. 00:15:50.250 --> 00:15:52.909 The whole goal of what you're going to do with 00:15:52.909 --> 00:15:55.450 the dog in that session is you're going to record 00:15:55.450 --> 00:15:58.149 it and you're going to look at your dog and you're 00:15:58.149 --> 00:16:01.840 going to try to... evaluate what your dog is 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:04.840 thinking moment by moment by moment as you go 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:09.399 through some exercises, right? Like some whatever 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:14.769 training exercises. Yeah. And then anytime you're 00:16:14.769 --> 00:16:18.570 like, oh, I'm not sure, you can go back immediately 00:16:18.570 --> 00:16:21.509 afterwards and look at the videotape and go, 00:16:21.549 --> 00:16:25.690 I wasn't sure why he did this here. Rewind, look 00:16:25.690 --> 00:16:28.129 at what happened before. Fast forward, look at 00:16:28.129 --> 00:16:31.409 what happened after. Draw some conclusions, draw 00:16:31.409 --> 00:16:34.549 some theories. And then if you're not sure, I 00:16:34.549 --> 00:16:37.090 can look at it and I can help you figure it out. 00:16:37.190 --> 00:16:41.509 But at least now you're separately out of... 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:47.080 working just on evaluating the data so you can 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:50.059 learn to read the dog. And if you do that routinely, 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:52.980 if you separately say, this is what I'm going 00:16:52.980 --> 00:16:55.779 to work on, or if you look at trial videos and 00:16:55.779 --> 00:16:58.820 go, why did my dog make that mistake? All right, 00:16:58.820 --> 00:17:02.519 let me see what happened before the mistake happened. 00:17:02.580 --> 00:17:04.259 Because I say to my students all the time, I 00:17:04.259 --> 00:17:07.759 need to see what happened before. And there will 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.700 be information there. And then you're going to 00:17:11.700 --> 00:17:16.019 learn over time, oh, every time my dog drops 00:17:16.019 --> 00:17:19.420 its head and pins its ears back, it's because 00:17:19.420 --> 00:17:23.019 a person's moving close to the dog and they don't 00:17:23.019 --> 00:17:27.400 like that. And then things happen, right? Because 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:31.700 you start to see a pattern. What happened before? 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:34.460 What did my dog do when that happened? And then 00:17:34.460 --> 00:17:38.740 what resulted? Did the dog, you know? fail after 00:17:38.740 --> 00:17:42.440 that or struggle or work well after that or whatever. 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.319 Does any of this make sense? Yeah, well, it does. 00:17:46.460 --> 00:17:50.759 It does. Absolutely. I think when we talk about 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:52.680 or when you were just talking about, you know, 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:57.440 collecting the data and paying it, I want to 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.500 say when we're when we're really talking about 00:18:00.500 --> 00:18:03.859 reading the dog, it really needs to be said, 00:18:03.940 --> 00:18:08.529 you need to be paying attention. So this is a 00:18:08.529 --> 00:18:13.190 big one. You're going to miss all the subtleties 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:16.630 of your dog's behavior if you're not really 100 00:18:16.630 --> 00:18:21.069 % paying attention. I'm in my zone. You'll miss 00:18:21.069 --> 00:18:27.470 it. That's got to just be said. And I do believe 00:18:27.470 --> 00:18:32.670 that this skill is easier for some people and 00:18:32.670 --> 00:18:36.180 not for... not for others, not as easy for others. 00:18:36.220 --> 00:18:39.759 I think because of maybe level of just intuition, 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.920 right? I, I would say I'm a pretty intuitive 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:46.640 person. I'm constantly reading. I read like the 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:49.299 vibe. I read the vibe when I walk in a room, 00:18:49.500 --> 00:18:53.460 I read the energy. I don't, I'm not like, you 00:18:53.460 --> 00:18:55.819 know, I'm not like, no, I get it. I'm the same 00:18:55.819 --> 00:18:59.279 person, but like, yeah, I would consider myself 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.819 a pretty, like I can, especially if I know somebody. 00:19:03.800 --> 00:19:07.319 Right. If you walked up to me and you were having 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.680 a bad day, I could probably read that pretty 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.000 quickly on you, like without you even having 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.680 to even say anything, because I'm just that kind 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.460 of person. I'm just reading, reading, reading, 00:19:18.500 --> 00:19:21.700 reading all the time. I don't think that comes 00:19:21.700 --> 00:19:25.359 naturally to everybody and let alone. Sorry, 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:29.579 Carl, but men especially. Yeah. You know, like 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:32.240 they don't pick up on fucking subtleties like 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:35.799 hello. Sometimes they're just clueless. And I'm 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:38.839 not bashing you, Carl. But I think that that's 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.900 a big piece. Like you really do need to make 00:19:41.900 --> 00:19:47.880 that effort of, you know, mindfully paying attention 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:50.640 because you'll miss it. You know, some of it's 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:53.539 not as blatant as when we just say read your 00:19:53.539 --> 00:19:56.740 dog and the dogs out there like. blatantly showing 00:19:56.740 --> 00:19:59.019 signs, sometimes they're really, they would be 00:19:59.019 --> 00:20:01.240 very easy to miss if you weren't really paying 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:04.319 attention. Yeah. So I think that's super important. 00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:07.480 That's why I'm starting to think that people 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:11.339 need to work on this separately, right? Like 00:20:11.339 --> 00:20:13.880 they can't work on it while they're actually 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:20.960 like training their dog per se. And following 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:23.829 up on what you said, like It's a power of observation, 00:20:24.130 --> 00:20:27.890 right? And some people are naturally always observing, 00:20:28.049 --> 00:20:30.549 reading the room. It's a skill. So let's just 00:20:30.549 --> 00:20:33.970 label it a skill, right? And then some people, 00:20:33.990 --> 00:20:36.990 just like any skill, are naturally better at 00:20:36.990 --> 00:20:39.470 some skills than others. Some people, because 00:20:39.470 --> 00:20:41.690 for whatever reason, they're observing people 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:46.440 all the time. they've gotten really good at that 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:49.380 skill, right? So it's easier for them. But all 00:20:49.380 --> 00:20:54.019 skills we can improve upon, we just need to practice 00:20:54.019 --> 00:20:57.099 them more. So even if this is something you're 00:20:57.099 --> 00:21:00.380 weak at, if you say, okay, I'm going to work 00:21:00.380 --> 00:21:03.819 on this really hard, yeah, you'll get better 00:21:03.819 --> 00:21:06.799 at it, right? So that's, I think, how you should 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:09.589 think about it as a skill. It's a skill you can 00:21:09.589 --> 00:21:12.049 improve. It's a skill. Yes, it's easier for some 00:21:12.049 --> 00:21:14.470 people than others naturally, but everyone can 00:21:14.470 --> 00:21:17.690 be better at it. And even if you're not naturally 00:21:17.690 --> 00:21:21.710 that good at it, you can absolutely improve on 00:21:21.710 --> 00:21:25.210 it. You can. It's really important to like if 00:21:25.210 --> 00:21:28.309 you are struggling with that or you're not sure, 00:21:28.390 --> 00:21:33.289 then if you can find somebody or some source 00:21:33.289 --> 00:21:38.259 to help you. have things pointed out even, you 00:21:38.259 --> 00:21:40.339 know, like, like you just, you just said, like, 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:42.880 I, I went home and bought up a bunch of webinars 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:46.759 so I could see what should I be looking for? 00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:49.140 Cause I really don't know. And that can be super 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:54.319 helpful. Yeah. And it's helpful to look. Oh God. 00:21:55.920 --> 00:22:01.819 Holy Hannah mouth just went. So, um, to observe 00:22:01.819 --> 00:22:07.730 other dogs. Right. As well, because even if it's 00:22:07.730 --> 00:22:10.430 different than your dog, it just hones your observation 00:22:10.430 --> 00:22:16.869 skills. And you must be really looking at that 00:22:16.869 --> 00:22:20.730 and nothing else so that you can focus on that. 00:22:20.829 --> 00:22:25.819 So you have to dedicate time. in whatever way, 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.940 whether that is with video or in, you know, obviously 00:22:29.940 --> 00:22:31.940 eventually going to have to do it in real time, 00:22:32.059 --> 00:22:37.440 but you have to dedicate time just to do, just 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:43.059 to work on that skill separately. Now, initially 00:22:43.059 --> 00:22:46.740 you have to give yourself grace too. So I'll 00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:50.930 give you another example. So Carl's dog's running 00:22:50.930 --> 00:22:53.809 out to the article and then he like pile and 00:22:53.809 --> 00:22:56.089 then he starts running around and chasing his 00:22:56.089 --> 00:22:59.130 tail. All right. So he's like, why is he doing 00:22:59.130 --> 00:23:02.869 that? So I'm like, well, we need to look at what 00:23:02.869 --> 00:23:08.849 happens before. So now he notices the dog, the 00:23:08.849 --> 00:23:13.170 behavior starting when the dog spins and chases 00:23:13.170 --> 00:23:16.490 his tail. What I'm saying to him is that behavior 00:23:16.490 --> 00:23:22.150 started much earlier. right you're just not seeing 00:23:22.150 --> 00:23:26.309 the signs leading to that bigger behavior yeah 00:23:26.309 --> 00:23:30.750 so you need to start looking backwards and so 00:23:30.750 --> 00:23:34.829 so I said okay so what right before he chased 00:23:34.829 --> 00:23:39.130 his tail like was he actually sniffing like did 00:23:39.130 --> 00:23:43.380 he actually sniff. Well, no. Okay. In before 00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:47.400 when he was running to the pile, did he run straight 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:51.319 to the pile and immediately start sniffing? No. 00:23:51.579 --> 00:23:54.819 So now we're saying, so I'm moving further and 00:23:54.819 --> 00:23:57.119 further back because I'm like, see, it started 00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:01.000 earlier and it started even earlier. So it turns 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:06.099 out the behavior starts probably when he starts 00:24:06.099 --> 00:24:09.619 sensing the article, the dog's ears go back. 00:24:10.250 --> 00:24:15.019 That's when it's starting. Yeah. Not. When the 00:24:15.019 --> 00:24:18.440 dog's chasing its tail. So again, it's tracking 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.619 the data backwards because the correct behavior 00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:26.980 is ears up, happily do a pivot, run straight 00:24:26.980 --> 00:24:30.720 to the pile. Before you're even in the pile, 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:34.259 their nose should already be going down and they 00:24:34.259 --> 00:24:37.059 should be starting to sniff like before they're 00:24:37.059 --> 00:24:40.400 even in the pile. Then they should be sniffing 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:43.319 the articles until they find the correct one 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:48.240 and run back. Right. So looking at that backwards 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:52.680 is what's going to lead us back to the beginning. 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.880 And that's going to help you read like and then 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:58.799 you're going to find the source of where it started 00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:00.859 and then we're going to be able to work on it 00:25:00.859 --> 00:25:03.019 from there and so on. But what happens a lot 00:25:03.019 --> 00:25:05.839 of times is people see the big behavior like 00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:13.369 my dog left me. Yeah. Your dog. knew it was leaving 00:25:13.369 --> 00:25:18.569 you and told you it was going to leave you well 00:25:18.569 --> 00:25:23.650 before it actually left. So what you need to 00:25:23.650 --> 00:25:29.430 do is say again, I need to backtrack before my 00:25:29.430 --> 00:25:33.490 dog left and start paying attention to the subtle 00:25:33.490 --> 00:25:37.529 signs like my dog's ears went back. their eyes 00:25:37.529 --> 00:25:41.910 drop their head drop they turn their head and 00:25:41.910 --> 00:25:48.789 so on before they left yeah um so that's that's 00:25:48.789 --> 00:25:51.809 kind of like i the strategy i would recommend 00:25:51.809 --> 00:25:55.910 is like you know go backwards that's always really 00:25:55.910 --> 00:26:00.390 important and go as well go forward sometimes 00:26:00.390 --> 00:26:03.589 people are like well he acted weird but then 00:26:03.589 --> 00:26:09.650 he did that So you have to look at the full picture 00:26:09.650 --> 00:26:15.549 to get to get a better understanding of what's 00:26:15.549 --> 00:26:18.789 happening and the sequence of events so that 00:26:18.789 --> 00:26:23.569 eventually you can learn. Like I always go, well, 00:26:23.730 --> 00:26:26.769 my dog would never leave me. Is that because 00:26:26.769 --> 00:26:31.289 my dogs are so well behaved? No, Zaina, she would 00:26:31.289 --> 00:26:36.819 leave me in a heartbeat. It's because. I, she, 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:43.779 she will be looking right in my face with two 00:26:43.779 --> 00:26:46.279 eyeballs, looking eyeball to eyeball into my 00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:48.259 eyeballs. And I can tell when she's thinking 00:26:48.259 --> 00:26:51.859 about something else. Right. And I'm like, I 00:26:51.859 --> 00:26:54.140 look at her, I'm like, don't even just don't. 00:26:54.140 --> 00:26:57.859 So I nip it in the bud so early because I have 00:26:57.859 --> 00:27:03.599 learned over time to read the signs. Yeah. Like 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.220 in her case, when her nose is going all the way 00:27:07.220 --> 00:27:09.099 over to the right or all the way over to the 00:27:09.099 --> 00:27:12.779 left or when her ears going like way back on 00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:16.220 her head that she's looking at me because she 00:27:16.220 --> 00:27:18.680 knows that's the correct behavior. But she is 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:24.460 thinking about something else. Yeah. So that 00:27:24.460 --> 00:27:28.509 so. Did I figure that out immediately? No. Trial 00:27:28.509 --> 00:27:32.109 and error, right? Drawing some incorrect conclusions. 00:27:33.809 --> 00:27:38.049 Making some mistakes. Oh, whoopsie, she's gone. 00:27:38.150 --> 00:27:47.430 Guess I didn't read that fast enough. But I think 00:27:47.430 --> 00:27:51.130 the starting point, and I am going to have a 00:27:51.130 --> 00:27:55.450 bunch of my students work on this. is I'm going 00:27:55.450 --> 00:28:00.029 to give them the assignment to just separately 00:28:00.029 --> 00:28:05.329 in a session work on reading their dog. So like 00:28:05.329 --> 00:28:09.509 what Stacy said, which was a really good point 00:28:09.509 --> 00:28:13.750 is like, take a room. There's no odor in it. 00:28:13.789 --> 00:28:16.410 Send your dog in there to search for it. Now 00:28:16.410 --> 00:28:20.269 I'm probably, I may, there may be a little nuance 00:28:20.269 --> 00:28:22.250 that I'm not saying correctly. I'm just saying 00:28:22.250 --> 00:28:26.140 for general purposes. and watch how the dog searches. 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.660 And then I'm going to do it again. This is what 00:28:28.660 --> 00:28:30.400 I'm going to do with my dog. Could be wrong. 00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:32.339 I'm sure people will be critiquing me for this, 00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:35.000 but then I'm going to do the same room and I'm 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.220 going to put a hide in there and I should see 00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:42.710 a difference. And my whole goal on that is for 00:28:42.710 --> 00:28:46.990 me personally to observe my dog and to learn 00:28:46.990 --> 00:28:49.950 what does my dog look like when there's no odor 00:28:49.950 --> 00:28:51.970 in the room and what does my dog look like when 00:28:51.970 --> 00:28:54.130 there is odor in the room. Am I going to learn 00:28:54.130 --> 00:28:57.589 it from one trial? Hell no. Am I going to have 00:28:57.589 --> 00:29:01.690 to do it a whole lot? Uh -huh. Yeah. But it's 00:29:01.690 --> 00:29:04.630 a start. And again, the point is I'm going to 00:29:04.630 --> 00:29:09.450 isolate out. that I am just working on reading 00:29:09.450 --> 00:29:12.950 my dog. And then, cause you know, God forbid 00:29:12.950 --> 00:29:16.029 I save my money and retire someday. Why would 00:29:16.029 --> 00:29:19.630 I do that? I went out and bought a GoPro so that 00:29:19.630 --> 00:29:25.230 I can film my searches when he's doing them. 00:29:25.289 --> 00:29:29.690 And then I can go back and watch and I can separately 00:29:29.690 --> 00:29:34.680 just work on reading the dog. Right. Like I'm 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.779 not going to look at, oh, look, he found the 00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:39.119 search or oh, no, I'm just going to look at his 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:44.680 body language and start collecting data for myself 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:49.720 on this specific dog. Right. And that's where 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.519 I think people need to start with, quote unquote, 00:29:53.819 --> 00:30:00.390 reading the dog. Yeah. Yeah, because it really 00:30:00.390 --> 00:30:03.470 needs to be because you do have to treat it like 00:30:03.470 --> 00:30:06.910 a skill and you need to really isolate it. You 00:30:06.910 --> 00:30:09.549 can't like with everything else, learning something 00:30:09.549 --> 00:30:14.410 new, you can't be doing it simultaneously while 00:30:14.410 --> 00:30:16.710 you're doing other things. It's kind of like 00:30:16.710 --> 00:30:19.670 the, you know, pat your head, rub your stomach 00:30:19.670 --> 00:30:21.730 kind of tummy kind of thing. That's too difficult. 00:30:21.730 --> 00:30:26.299 Now, why is that so hard? It's really hard. Very 00:30:26.299 --> 00:30:30.539 hard. Very hard. It's just really like multitasking, 00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:34.380 like your brain multitasking. And, you know, 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:38.440 can you run the multitasking efficiently across 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.279 the board with all the things you're doing? Yeah. 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.980 Unless you're like a brainiac about it. Well, 00:30:46.059 --> 00:30:48.579 and that's the other thing we talked about is 00:30:48.579 --> 00:30:53.829 the importance of putting as many. other skills 00:30:53.829 --> 00:30:58.369 as possible on autopilot yeah right so we talked 00:30:58.369 --> 00:31:02.309 about he says i memorized my footwork because 00:31:02.309 --> 00:31:04.710 i told him he had to so he didn't need to think 00:31:04.710 --> 00:31:09.109 about that in the ring right and um i'm always 00:31:09.109 --> 00:31:12.869 talking to people about the importance of standardizing 00:31:12.869 --> 00:31:16.150 their handling yeah so that it's the same every 00:31:16.150 --> 00:31:19.369 time why so they don't need to think about i'm 00:31:19.369 --> 00:31:24.349 trying to like clear space in your brain, right? 00:31:24.509 --> 00:31:27.349 I'm trying, you can't read your dog if your brain 00:31:27.349 --> 00:31:32.470 is cluttered by basic tasks. If you're thinking 00:31:32.470 --> 00:31:36.029 about your footwork and your handling and your 00:31:36.029 --> 00:31:40.609 marking and there's no room. So those things 00:31:40.609 --> 00:31:43.690 should all be on autopilot. Like when I go in 00:31:43.690 --> 00:31:47.269 the ring, everything is on autopilot. Therefore 00:31:47.269 --> 00:31:51.119 I can think about. reading my dog and reacting 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.460 so he said like he that he has certain things 00:31:55.460 --> 00:31:57.460 on autopilot he goes but then I'm thinking about 00:31:57.460 --> 00:31:59.779 where to go and this and that so we talked about 00:31:59.779 --> 00:32:03.460 that I said well you shouldn't have to you know 00:32:03.460 --> 00:32:08.039 ahead of time with most sports not nose work 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.039 but again we talked about like You know where 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.480 things are going to be. So you have a strategy. 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.180 So you should stand outside the ring and decide 00:32:16.180 --> 00:32:18.519 I'm going to enter the ring this way. I'm going 00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:20.759 to put my leash here. I'm going to go in this 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.759 direction to set my dog up at this spot. Then 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:25.740 when exercise is finished, I'm going to do this 00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:28.859 with my dog. So like your ring entrance should 00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:31.700 be standardized, your transitions, your setups. 00:32:32.539 --> 00:32:34.740 How you're going to get from point A to point 00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:37.640 B, you can determine all that like outside the 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:42.759 ring. So all that should be done because you 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:48.059 should not like ideally you are not thinking 00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:50.980 about that stuff in the ring or in the moment, 00:32:51.019 --> 00:32:54.880 because if you are, you cannot read your dog. 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.700 You can't. Right. And I think that's part of 00:32:58.700 --> 00:33:02.480 my problem right now as well with nose work. 00:33:02.539 --> 00:33:07.839 I find is I'm thinking about other things. And 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:12.059 that is interfering, right? And that comes with 00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:15.519 you're new to it. You're new to the sport. And 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.500 that needs to be said because I think there can 00:33:17.500 --> 00:33:19.779 be a level of frustration with people who are 00:33:19.779 --> 00:33:22.759 like, you know, like they just they can't. They 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.019 can't get it. They can't do it. Like you need 00:33:25.019 --> 00:33:28.000 to give yourself time. It's just with everything 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.059 else, mastering one thing at a time, which we've 00:33:31.059 --> 00:33:33.660 talked about too. Taking that one thing, like 00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:36.720 you said to Carl, master this. Now master this, 00:33:36.900 --> 00:33:38.680 right? So you have to isolate all those things 00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.079 and master them before you can do all of them 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.619 at the same time, right? Without consciously 00:33:44.619 --> 00:33:48.579 having to think about it. you know, that's your 00:33:48.579 --> 00:33:52.160 goal. Like anyone starting out doing any sort 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.299 of sport, obviously you're not going to be at 00:33:55.299 --> 00:33:57.900 that. You're going to have some of that junk 00:33:57.900 --> 00:34:00.440 in the, even if you start trialing, like that's 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.980 just gained from the, you know, conscientious 00:34:05.980 --> 00:34:08.980 effort of mastering everything one at a time 00:34:08.980 --> 00:34:12.280 until you get to that point. after experience 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.340 and experience and experience that you can go 00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:16.500 in the ring and be able to do all of that without 00:34:16.500 --> 00:34:20.579 even thinking about it. Yeah. Like, and I'm like, 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.179 because I'm new, right. So I'm like in this school, 00:34:23.260 --> 00:34:26.360 in a hallway, my dog's never been in a school, 00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:30.500 right. In a hallway. Cause they stage you. Well, 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:32.880 I, my dogs have never staged like, yeah, they 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:36.099 wait. for their turn and obedience, but it's, 00:34:36.099 --> 00:34:39.400 it's like a set routine, right? So when I do 00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:41.800 nose work, like I go for my lessons or I train, 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.980 but it's kind of, you know, my dog hasn't done 00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:48.239 that whole staging thing. So, so what's the point? 00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:50.860 I'm sitting there like, is my dog even going 00:34:50.860 --> 00:34:53.480 to know what to do? Like, I don't even know if 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.519 he's going to know what to do. Like, is he going 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:58.820 to like, just think we're out? Like, oh, cool. 00:34:58.980 --> 00:35:01.139 Like, we're just going to run around. Like, how 00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:03.900 does he even know? And then I'm like, okay. And 00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:05.920 I don't know the strategy. I'm like, well, I 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.800 know it's nose work one. Should I just let him 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.199 like run and see if he finds it or do I guide 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.199 him because he does better if I guide him. But 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.380 like, I, I don't, I don't know the best strategy. 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.139 Like, I don't know, you know, so all these things 00:35:18.139 --> 00:35:20.940 are running through my head and that's a normal 00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:25.639 beginner experience. Right. So the good thing 00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:32.699 is I, I became aware of what I was doing and. 00:35:33.369 --> 00:35:35.809 Some of it I was able to mitigate so that his 00:35:35.809 --> 00:35:41.289 Zesty's first search was exterior. I was like, 00:35:41.289 --> 00:35:46.309 oh, crap, because, you know, it's my dogs are 00:35:46.309 --> 00:35:51.250 starting this as adult dogs. He my dogs off leash 00:35:51.250 --> 00:35:55.110 hike, as we all know. So they see big, wide open 00:35:55.110 --> 00:35:58.050 outdoors and they're like, yes. And I'm like, 00:35:58.150 --> 00:36:00.170 no, we're doing sniffy stuff. So I've had to 00:36:00.170 --> 00:36:03.460 work really hard on that. But I still get a little 00:36:03.460 --> 00:36:05.619 nervous, like, oh, God, I hope he knows he's 00:36:05.619 --> 00:36:08.639 searching and doesn't just run amok or like decide 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.320 to pee on something. Right. Has he? And like, 00:36:12.460 --> 00:36:20.530 no, but. And because we haven't developed that 00:36:20.530 --> 00:36:23.909 experience, that trust and, and this is on me. 00:36:24.010 --> 00:36:28.309 Right. So I completely might over managed his 00:36:28.309 --> 00:36:30.610 search. And like, I know I did like, even in 00:36:30.610 --> 00:36:32.690 the moment at some point, he's looking at my 00:36:32.690 --> 00:36:36.130 hand and I'm like, Oh God, like I must be acting 00:36:36.130 --> 00:36:38.230 like a lunatic. Cause like, he's like, what the 00:36:38.230 --> 00:36:41.760 fuck are you doing? Oh, my God. And I'm like, 00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:44.059 get it together. Stop it. And then he does the 00:36:44.059 --> 00:36:46.099 fine, whatever. I go to my car. I'm like, what 00:36:46.099 --> 00:36:49.219 are you doing? Like, just stop it. Like, stop 00:36:49.219 --> 00:36:52.079 the madness. And then I got it together. Right. 00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:54.380 Because at least I have enough experience that 00:36:54.380 --> 00:36:57.059 I recognize when I'm going off the rails. Most 00:36:57.059 --> 00:36:58.679 people don't even recognize when they're going 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.239 off the rails. Yeah. Recognize that you're going 00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.420 off the rails. Fix it. And what's going to happen 00:37:04.420 --> 00:37:09.369 is the more trials I do, like. Um, and the more 00:37:09.369 --> 00:37:13.230 dogs I get, I'm going to have the experience 00:37:13.230 --> 00:37:16.170 to build on and those things are going to get 00:37:16.170 --> 00:37:17.849 easier and they're going to get better. Right. 00:37:17.949 --> 00:37:20.969 So it's just like you said, like give yours, 00:37:21.010 --> 00:37:23.110 we have to give ourselves grace and we have to 00:37:23.110 --> 00:37:25.269 just say, okay, we need to keep improving on 00:37:25.269 --> 00:37:28.050 this. So I leave and I say to myself always, 00:37:28.449 --> 00:37:31.750 all right, what are all the things I need to 00:37:31.750 --> 00:37:34.329 improve upon? Right. What are all the things 00:37:34.329 --> 00:37:37.980 I could have done better? And some things I don't 00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:40.460 know so that I ordered the videos because you 00:37:40.460 --> 00:37:42.280 could order them because I want to look at it 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:44.079 and I want to look at it with my trainer and 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:46.619 I want my trainer to say, well, I would have 00:37:46.619 --> 00:37:48.619 done it this way or you could have done this 00:37:48.619 --> 00:37:51.340 better or maybe I would have done this. Or she 00:37:51.340 --> 00:37:54.199 might say in this situation with this dog, even 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.860 though maybe it was a slower option, that's how 00:37:56.860 --> 00:37:58.340 I would have done it. But that's the only way 00:37:58.340 --> 00:38:02.179 you're going to learn. Right. Is so I didn't. 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:05.860 I'm not beating myself up for acting like a knucklehead. 00:38:05.940 --> 00:38:08.280 Like I kind of laughed at myself. I was like, 00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:13.320 Oh my God, like what the hell? Um, and you know, 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.739 yeah, I wish I would have done it better, but 00:38:15.739 --> 00:38:18.159 whatever, you know, onward and upward, like I'm 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:22.800 going to learn from that and I'm going to get 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:26.079 better. As I go on, because I'm going to just 00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.739 keep trying to improve. So that's what we should 00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:31.059 be looking to do, right? Is trying to be better. 00:38:31.099 --> 00:38:34.800 And yeah, I'm probably not reading him or her 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:39.699 as well as I should be. Like I, because I'm thinking 00:38:39.699 --> 00:38:43.000 about other things, which is kind of a really 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.139 weird feeling for me because I haven't done that 00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:50.360 for a very long time in other sports. So now 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.679 that I'm starting something new. I'm like, oh 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:55.980 my God, like, what are you even doing? Like, 00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:57.780 you know, why are you thinking, oh, maybe the 00:38:57.780 --> 00:39:00.239 hide could be there. That's not your job. That's 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.980 the dog's job. Like, what do you think, you know? 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:08.139 Well, it's kind of nice because it is like, yeah, 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:11.280 it's like bringing you to the level that you 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.599 haven't been in a long, long time of being in 00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.179 something that you're not really, you haven't 00:39:17.179 --> 00:39:21.579 mastered yet, right? Right. So it's. it's kind 00:39:21.579 --> 00:39:25.780 of nice for our like listeners and your students 00:39:25.780 --> 00:39:28.519 because now there's a little bit of a even playing 00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:32.360 field. Oh no, totally. Because I'm just like. 00:39:33.980 --> 00:39:37.559 Yeah. It's uncomfortable like that. It's like 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.440 if like when my girls were younger, they'd be 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:42.860 like, oh, my God, you need to do this dance with 00:39:42.860 --> 00:39:45.059 us. And I'd be like, oh, my God, I'm not doing 00:39:45.059 --> 00:39:48.780 that. I can't. I'm so bad at like learning choreography. 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.000 I'm like an idiot. And they're like, no, no, 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:55.400 no, no. It's so easy. And I like I if it was 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:58.599 horrible feeling because I couldn't it. It took 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:03.730 me. What? Because. everybody's different in learning 00:40:03.730 --> 00:40:06.489 and mastering on their own, you know, timeline. 00:40:06.809 --> 00:40:09.730 It took me way longer than those two. Those two 00:40:09.730 --> 00:40:12.670 could like watch it on the TV and have it down 00:40:12.670 --> 00:40:16.750 pat in like one time. And I was like, I can't 00:40:16.750 --> 00:40:18.829 even do the first three steps. It took me freaking 00:40:18.829 --> 00:40:21.690 forever. And it was like uncomfortable. It was 00:40:21.690 --> 00:40:24.590 messy. And that's what it feels like when you're 00:40:24.590 --> 00:40:28.809 not fluent and have any mastery on a skill. It's 00:40:28.809 --> 00:40:32.809 just kind of. But you strive because you care 00:40:32.809 --> 00:40:36.809 and you have goals and you want to get better 00:40:36.809 --> 00:40:39.289 at something. Well, that's the thing. Like, I 00:40:39.289 --> 00:40:41.610 always just want to be better at reading my dog. 00:40:41.670 --> 00:40:44.559 Right. So it's not a matter of like. Oh, I'm 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:47.820 not happy because like, look, you should be happier. 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.980 Dog's qualified. Well, I am, but I want to be 00:40:50.980 --> 00:40:55.179 better. And I know that that journey starts now, 00:40:55.460 --> 00:40:57.800 right? Like, I can't just be like, oh, I qualified 00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:59.920 you for me on to two. Well, no, it's going to 00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:03.519 keep getting harder. And my job is going to get 00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:07.760 harder. As the dog's job gets harder. And so 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:11.619 at each level, I should be striving to learn 00:41:11.619 --> 00:41:15.519 as much as I can and to continue to improve, 00:41:15.619 --> 00:41:18.940 like managing the leash and like, which I'm not 00:41:18.940 --> 00:41:21.980 that great at. Zaina will tell you that because 00:41:21.980 --> 00:41:23.920 she gets so annoyed with me. She's like, dude, 00:41:24.019 --> 00:41:27.280 you got it stuck under my leg again. Right. Like 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.590 all that stuff. And I see I'm a weirdo like I 00:41:31.590 --> 00:41:36.210 do like I love that I am like a knucklehead right 00:41:36.210 --> 00:41:40.469 now, like because I like the challenge. Like 00:41:40.469 --> 00:41:43.510 I sometimes I get frustrated because I'm like, 00:41:43.530 --> 00:41:45.409 oh, I don't know what to do. And then I go to 00:41:45.409 --> 00:41:47.510 my instructor and I know she looks at me like 00:41:47.510 --> 00:41:50.739 sometimes like I'm crazy, like. dude, like you're 00:41:50.739 --> 00:41:53.400 getting your, you know, yourself on a twist and 00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.000 you're talking about a search that was like really 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.559 challenging and your dog will get better at it 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.119 over time. Like, yeah, but I didn't know how 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:01.920 to help him and I didn't know what to do. And 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:04.559 she'll figure me out eventually. She'll realize 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:08.239 that it's just that I want to be better because 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:13.599 I want to be the best possible teammate for my 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.179 dog. Yeah. Right. That's important to say that. 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.989 Yeah. Yeah, that's the goal is like my dog's 00:42:20.989 --> 00:42:25.889 doing their job like I need to do mine like it 00:42:25.889 --> 00:42:29.829 is a team sport. And that's why I do get frustrated 00:42:29.829 --> 00:42:32.570 with people with reading their dog. It's not 00:42:32.570 --> 00:42:34.929 that I get frustrated that they're struggling 00:42:34.929 --> 00:42:38.210 with it. It's that I want I get frustrated if 00:42:38.210 --> 00:42:41.829 they're not trying to improve at it because it's 00:42:41.829 --> 00:42:47.010 not fair to the dog. Exactly. And if you don't. 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:55.639 Most dogs, like Zaina one time, she found a hide. 00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:59.239 And I don't know, for some reason, I was like 00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.960 at the very beginning in a lesson. And I don't 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.280 know, for whatever reason, I forgot it was there. 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.179 I thought it was somewhere else. And I'm like, 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.519 so I just stood there like a moron. And I'm like 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:13.320 looking at the instructor like, wait, it's there? 00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:17.389 And Zaina's like, rah, rah, rah. And she like 00:43:17.389 --> 00:43:19.929 pause at where it is. And she looks at me like, 00:43:19.989 --> 00:43:24.110 dumbass, I said it's right there. I'm like, all 00:43:24.110 --> 00:43:26.110 right, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Here's your cookie. 00:43:26.230 --> 00:43:29.989 And we move on, right? The problem is most dogs 00:43:29.989 --> 00:43:33.789 would then start to go, oh, shoot, they'll get 00:43:33.789 --> 00:43:36.730 upset. They'll suggest themselves. They'll get 00:43:36.730 --> 00:43:38.929 worried. They'll get nervous. They'll lose confidence. 00:43:38.989 --> 00:43:42.670 Any number of things, right? Most dogs are not 00:43:42.670 --> 00:43:47.460 like Zaina. So therefore I'm creating a problem 00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:54.079 because I'm not doing my job. Yeah. So that's 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.940 why, and like with Zesty, Zesty does get insecure. 00:43:58.099 --> 00:44:02.000 He does get worried. He does get unsure. He does 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:08.199 sometimes get overwhelmed. So, and I figured 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.000 some of that out, like the hard way, like after 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:15.010 he displayed the same. behavior many, many times. 00:44:15.090 --> 00:44:17.269 And I'm like, oh, Jesus, buddy, I'm sorry. I've 00:44:17.269 --> 00:44:20.369 been misreading this like a whole bunch of times 00:44:20.369 --> 00:44:26.469 and I feel terrible. So that should be our motivator. 00:44:26.869 --> 00:44:33.590 Yeah. To take this extra time to learn how to 00:44:33.590 --> 00:44:36.630 read our dogs better, to analyze the data and 00:44:36.630 --> 00:44:41.909 so on, because it's it's our job as our teammate. 00:44:42.590 --> 00:44:46.789 Yeah. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. A 00:44:46.789 --> 00:44:51.750 hundred percent. All right. So I think that's 00:44:51.750 --> 00:44:55.570 a good place to stop. I think maybe the next 00:44:55.570 --> 00:44:58.750 episode we can talk about some specific behaviors. 00:44:59.170 --> 00:45:05.190 Yeah. And so on. But I think this is a good place 00:45:05.190 --> 00:45:08.409 for people to start. I know it's where I'm going 00:45:08.409 --> 00:45:11.780 to start, where I've started personally. And 00:45:11.780 --> 00:45:14.840 where I told Carl to start and where I'm going 00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:18.019 to tell some of my students to start. And I'm 00:45:18.019 --> 00:45:21.519 also hopeful over time, maybe with some feedback 00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.480 from different students, I'd like to start coming 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:31.079 up with kind of like a formula for like to help 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:34.820 people follow so that they can learn to read 00:45:34.820 --> 00:45:38.360 their dog better. I don't know, did that even 00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.719 make sense, what I just said? This is me, like, 00:45:40.780 --> 00:45:44.300 still, like, in the, like, beginner stages of 00:45:44.300 --> 00:45:49.519 just, like, trying to figure it out. I love it. 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:55.760 I think it's great. Okay. Good. Thanks, everybody. 00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:57.239 Thanks. Bye.