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Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Canine Connection

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podcast. We have a guest today, and Lori is going

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to introduce her. Hi, everybody. So our guest

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today is Arielle Wolf. Arielle, I don't know

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her very well, but I have always admired her

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from afar when I saw her at trials. And Patron,

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I actually got to get to know her a little bit.

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This year when we were down at the Obedience

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Classic in Florida, because she was down there

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showing her dogs. She had her, well, anyway,

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I'm going to let Arielle explain and introduce

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her dogs and her life. But she does have, what

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we wanted to have Arielle on was, the reason

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why was because she has non -typical. obedience

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breeds. She has a German wired haired pointer

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named Newt, and she has a long haired dachshund

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named Dwight. And we just find that super cool,

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number one. And number two, we really would love

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her to be able to share her. you know, her training

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processes with these two dogs that are non -typical

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breeds that we normally see in the obedience

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ring and, you know, her journey and how she got

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started, why she got these two breeds. And I

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know she does a slew of other things beyond obedience

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with her dogs. So I'm going to hand it over to

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Arielle. Welcome, Arielle. Wait, hold on. I'm

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going to jump in real quick. So I'm at the classic

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and Lori's like, oh yeah, blah, blah, blah. Person

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we need to talk to. And I'm like, in my head,

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I'm like, uh -huh, uh -huh, uh -huh. Like, dude,

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I'm showing two dogs. Like there's mass chaos

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down here. I can't process the information right

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now. Then at some point, I don't really watch

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a lot, but I don't know. I'm watching probably

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to see how a ring's running or something like

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that. And I see somebody working. a German wire

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hair pointer. And this dog is working really

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cute. Like it's so happy. It's so animated. It's

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just working beautifully. And I'm like, that

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will always catch my eye. A nice working dog,

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like a happy working dog. But then on top of

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that, it's like an off breed. And I'm like, wow,

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like good. You go girl. Like, good job. And it's

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not till like later, probably when it. towards

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when I was done with my runs that like my brain

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could actually process. And I'm like, is this

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the, and I go up to, is that the person you were

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talking about? And it was. So anyway, okay, I'm

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done. Okay. So Arielle, the floor is yours. We'd

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like to introduce yourself and just sort of,

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you know. explain on how you got started and

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what you do and all the great things you do.

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Yep. Thanks so much for having me on. And I'm

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really flattered to hear that you both think

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so highly of me. I think really highly of both

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of you. I'm a dog trainer, a dog sports content

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creator, and a self -professed jack of all trades,

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master of none. What is a dog sports content

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creator? So I'm on TikTok and I... curate mostly

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obedience and rally related content towards the

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under 40. I feel really strongly and passionately

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about trying to make some of these really, these

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sports that people are very intimidated by much

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more accessible to people who may not be able

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to access classes or get their foot in the door

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easily, locally. Nice. Well, I'm not under 40,

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so that would explain why I didn't know what

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that was. I mean, really, I market at anybody

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who doesn't have an AARP card yet, but. Dude,

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I'm there. Okay, well. I'm kidding. Well, TikTok

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is like, I mean, I have two girls under the age

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of 25 and TikTok is their life. So that's. That's

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amazing. That's awesome. Yeah. So that's been

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a lot of fun as like a little bit of a side quest.

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But as for how I got started, I got into dog

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training about 15 years ago. I was in high school

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and getting ready to get my first service dog,

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who was actually a black lab. And I loved labs.

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Labs are great. But personality wise, we didn't

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really mesh and he didn't meet my needs very

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well. So our partnership was pretty short -lived,

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and I returned him to the program and found myself

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working with a trainer to train my own service

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dog, who was a Chesapeake Bay Retriever. Fast

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forward about 10 years, and I got Jubilee, who

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is my first German Wirehead Pointer. And she

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was a wild young dog. She was a fabulous service

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dog, but she was so high energy. And unlike my

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previous dogs, she needed more outlets than just

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her day job to be fulfilled. And even more than

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that, to be able to calmly hang out in public.

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So I started I took a rally class and I started

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doing dog sports, fast cat with her to allow

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her to better help me. And the partnership of

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the dog sports really took every aspect of our

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relationship to another level. So between her

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and my current dogs, Newt and Dwight, who is

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the. Newt's the German wire -haired pointer and

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Dwight is the long -haired dachshund. I've since

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earned advanced titles in obedience, rally, agility,

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field trials, and more. So I'm hooked on dog

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sports and I love to tell people all about it.

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This is my jam. I can totally talk about this

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for a very long time. So I recently, I don't

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know if it was recent, maybe it was not that

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recent, but so, you know, non -traditional breeds

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some they're just the reality is they're a little

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harder at times with certain sports especially

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sports that are not inherently self -reinforcing

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like rallying obedience um to motivate them and

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we have to like be creative and think outside

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the box and you were um god i want to say you

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were doing articles i hope i'm right with you're

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dachshund yep and you had done something like

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completely on like unconventional do you know

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what do you it was a facebook post do you remember

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what i'm talking about yeah so yeah um dwight

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is a dog um who he's my first dachshund i'm not

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sure how much of this is dachshund and i'm not

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how much of this is just him as an individual

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um But there's not many dachshunds in obedience.

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And compared to how popular of a breed they are,

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I can understand why. So he has a brilliant nose.

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And like many hounds, he loves to smell. He loves

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to use it. And I knew that if I could click into

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what he was doing with articles, he would really

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enjoy it. He's not a very resilient dog and he

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has a very low tolerance for frustration and

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a very low tolerance for being wrong. So if he's

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not got a very high rate of reinforcement, if

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his success rate isn't exceedingly high, I would

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say at least nine out of 10. He's just like,

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you know what? This isn't fun anymore. I'm quitting.

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So. with articles because it's really hard to

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get them to have that high of a success rate.

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What I did is after I tried a couple of different

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methods, you know, I tried around the clock,

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I tried a little bit of a tie down and I would

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start and stop a couple of methods and be like,

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you know what, this one isn't for him. And ultimately

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what I ended up deciding on is he could bring

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me back any article and I would reward every

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single article he brought back. But bringing

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back the right article, especially the right

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article without having touched any of the other

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articles first, was a huge jackpot. And he's

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a smart dog. He understands that a handful of

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cookies is better than one cookie. So it didn't

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take him long to realize, oh, if I bring back

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the right article just the first time I smell

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it, I get a handful of cookies. That's great

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for me. I think that's so awesome because like

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I'm just laughing to myself, imagining like when

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I tell my students sometimes like, it's all right,

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don't worry about it. Just give them a cookie

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anyway. What? But like the outrage, you're rewarding

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the wrong thing. You're telling them that bringing

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back the correct article is right. Like because

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people get so entrenched and like this is how

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we've always done it or this is how I've always

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been taught or like. There is no one way like

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and it doesn't always mean that like in essence,

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you were rewarding effort. Correct. And then

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you were letting him solve the problem on his

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own, basically. Right. Yep. Yeah, that's so interesting.

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It must also be challenging because he's so low

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to the ground. And his nose is right there. I

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find that that's challenging a lot with little

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dogs, especially little dogs that are like terriers,

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hounds, like. Right, when they're just like intrinsically

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wanting to be sniffing everything, for sure.

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I take advantage of that. I, you know, you're

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not going to change the fact that their nose

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is, you know, three inches from the ground. But

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what you can change is their relationship with

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the ground. So I walk into any trial building

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and I've done this since he came to me. He was

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about a year old when I got him. He was disobedient

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and a nuisance dog, which is why I got him for

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training. And, you know, one thing led to another

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and he ended up staying. So that's how I got

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my accidental dachshund. Yeah, I didn't know

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that. Wow. Yeah. How old was he when you got

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him? Just over a year. I think he was 13 months.

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Oh, OK. Yeah. So he was a dog that had lived

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with a family member and I'd had him on and off

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for training since he was a puppy. But he ended

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up just being a little bit too much hound for

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my family. So he came to me and I'm like, you

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know what? Anything that's going to live in my

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house is. going to have a job. And the job that

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I originally assigned him was to train and get

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my other dog, Newt, jealous and work through

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so I could work through arousal issues with him.

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So I would train him for two, three minutes at

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a time when Newt needed a break or when I specifically

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wanted to get Newt wound up before training him.

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And that ended up being the perfect amount of

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time to just get Dwight interested in working

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and training. And over time, that became longer

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stretches. And then he actually ended up taking

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on much more of a role in my life and being trained

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than I anticipated. But yeah, his original job

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was just to make Newt jealous. So how do you

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use the sniffing and the floor to your advantage?

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So when I go anywhere, I'll... acclimate him

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and in the beginning what i mean by acclimate

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is i'll just let him walk around i don't tell

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him anything i just automatically let him sniff

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because that's going to be his first inclination

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he wants to check everything out yeah um so this

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was my warm -up at the classic this is my warm

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-up at any local trial this is my warm -up when

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i go to train in my local parks i just let him

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sniff around and eventually they're going to

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get to a point where they're like you know what

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i've checked out everything and they'll lift

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their head and that's a moment that you can mark

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and um it might take 20 30 minutes it might take

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longer do you um do you cue him to go sniff like

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i don't okay because i i have jackie and snacks

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patra she actually cues him because i found that

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really interesting when she first told me that

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i literally had a heart attack and i'm like well

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wait a second and she does she goes i go in and

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i put it on cue and i said let's go sniff so

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the reason i don't yeah tell me yeah it's because

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i really want him to choose um to disengage with

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the environment and engage with me so when he

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lifts his head then i have an opportunity to

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reward and the more that he lifts his head the

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more rewards he gets so eventually it becomes

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like rather than me begging him to disengage

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with the environment it's like eventually his

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head comes up and i'm like hey look how awesome

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i am over here i'm doing all these fun things

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you want to play right right that's the acclimation

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where you want them to just choose you over the

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right and Over time, it becomes a much, much

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shorter acclimation. I would say in general,

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it takes him under two minutes to acclimate to

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a new environment at this point. And two minutes

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is usually pretty generous because he understands

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the pattern of I go, I sniff around until I'm,

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you know, I've checked it all out. And then we're

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going to go and we're going to train. And then

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I get to come out and I get to sniff again. Yeah.

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So I don't actually have issues with sniffing

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in the ring. The one or two times that I have

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had issues with him sniffing, I see that as he's

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overwhelmed with the environment and I've just

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picked him up and left. Just this isn't the day

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for us. It's just displacement, right? It's just

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like, I can't, I'm confused, I'm concerned, whatever

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the case, that's why I'm doing it, which is different

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than him just not being engaged. Right. And because

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I know that I have this long relationship history

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built up with him where he understands that sniffing

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is not an integral part of the behavior change

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that we're going to be doing. If he's sniffing

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excessively in between, that just means his head

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isn't where it needs to be. And I'm not going

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to get the work that I want, regardless of what

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I say or do. Wow. Well put. It's pretty amazing.

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So you got Dwight with no intention of doing

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any sort of formal structured dog sport things.

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But then as you were using him as a pawn for

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Newt, it sort of developed into some, you know,

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some things started to shape and come together.

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And then you decided to. pursue. And then eventually

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Ariel had him entered in novice at the classic,

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like the biggest, hardest, most distracting dog

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show in the country. Tell us about how that happened.

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Okay. So Dwight is, you know, he's actually my

00:16:49.429 --> 00:16:54.350
best obedience dog. Um, he's easily capable of

00:16:54.350 --> 00:16:59.509
a 198 when he's on. Um, but he's really inconsistent.

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And I think that that's going to be true of a

00:17:02.929 --> 00:17:06.690
lot of these, um, you know, more non -traditional

00:17:06.690 --> 00:17:08.190
breeds. And there's definitely a spectrum to

00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:10.769
non -traditional and we can get into that in

00:17:10.769 --> 00:17:16.450
a minute. Um, but, um, he was, he was just this,

00:17:16.470 --> 00:17:19.250
this dog that I got him through novice. He was

00:17:19.250 --> 00:17:22.950
doing beautifully. in my local trials. Unfortunately,

00:17:23.349 --> 00:17:26.549
he was attacked. There was a dog who came over

00:17:26.549 --> 00:17:29.470
the ring gate and went after him when he was

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doing a retrieve over high and training. And

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that forever kind of did some damage in that

00:17:36.950 --> 00:17:39.930
he's not sure that, I mean, now that he knows

00:17:39.930 --> 00:17:43.069
that dogs can come over the ring gate, I'm never

00:17:43.069 --> 00:17:44.869
going to fully convince him that that's never

00:17:44.869 --> 00:17:51.000
going to happen again. So one of my big long

00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.880
-term goals has been to get him one notch point

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and to be able to show him at the noc the noc

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environment is really challenging but it's a

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lot easier than the classic yeah great so um

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i've been kind of slowly getting him uh worked

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into he's in rally novice again at the rnc um

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this coming july um he's capable of working well

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past that, but I like to be able to hang on to

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the leash as long as I can in that kind of environment.

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So I haven't moved him up. And I really want

00:18:30.230 --> 00:18:32.849
him to just be able to be in those environments

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and continually build on the success that we

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have. My idea of success for him is for him to

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be happy and comfortable. It's not a cue or a

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score. So have you, you know, when you first

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started trialing him in Novice at like probably

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smaller local trials, like then did you progress

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and try to get him acclimated to busier venues?

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Like what was your process with that to like

00:19:02.970 --> 00:19:09.150
prepare him for the Classic this year or last

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year and then preparing him for the RNC for this

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year? Um, so I hadn't really taken him to any

00:19:19.930 --> 00:19:24.609
significantly larger trials. I did take him to

00:19:24.609 --> 00:19:28.029
the RNC last year and he froze up quite a bit.

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Fortunately, still had the leash on. It was rally

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novice. And I was able to just celebrate the

00:19:36.809 --> 00:19:40.609
short little moments of success. As for the classic

00:19:40.609 --> 00:19:43.869
last year, he had way, way more moments of success.

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novice obedience being much harder and requiring

00:19:48.589 --> 00:19:52.589
much more from him. He still froze up, but he

00:19:52.589 --> 00:19:54.890
was able to work through all of it. It wasn't

00:19:54.890 --> 00:19:58.170
like he needed to be physically helped out of

00:19:58.170 --> 00:20:04.869
any of it. Right. Yeah. He didn't qualify any

00:20:04.869 --> 00:20:09.869
of his three runs, but that's not a measure of

00:20:09.869 --> 00:20:13.049
success or lack thereof. He did some really awesome

00:20:13.049 --> 00:20:16.140
work. with dogs on the other side of the ring

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gate. And a lot of what was good was beautiful.

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It was. And just for everybody listening, the

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classic is the busiest. Most distracting, hardest

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dog show venue, I think. I think you guys can

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probably agree out of everything. It is 300%.

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There are no words that could ever adequately

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describe how loud and busy and chaotic and smelly.

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And yeah, there are no words to describe. It

00:21:00.150 --> 00:21:06.190
is easily, easily by far the hardest dog show

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venue. And all of the stimuli you could ever

00:21:09.589 --> 00:21:13.869
imagine in any local trial combined together

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and then turned up to a thousand. Right. And

00:21:17.150 --> 00:21:20.650
the rings are all back to back. Right. So for

00:21:20.650 --> 00:21:24.910
a dog who has had some trauma with, you know,

00:21:24.910 --> 00:21:28.700
a dog. crossing barrier to get him right having

00:21:28.700 --> 00:21:30.819
a dog do it go out on the other side of the ring

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gate was really really hard for him exactly so

00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:38.500
the rings are all going at the same time um yeah

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that's pretty amazing that's pretty amazing what

00:21:42.420 --> 00:21:46.819
did you do to like build his um confidence back

00:21:46.819 --> 00:21:51.099
up after that happened after the dog jumped over

00:21:51.099 --> 00:21:58.839
the ring gate I did a lot of just having him

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exist in environments where there were other

00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:06.400
dogs and just passively see other dogs. I didn't

00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.680
do a ton of face -to -face interactions, more

00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:13.279
just return to normalcy. Just dogs can exist

00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.859
around you, ones that I knew were safe and under

00:22:16.859 --> 00:22:20.680
control that kind of fit the description of,

00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:25.230
yeah. Yeah, and we saw that a little bit when

00:22:25.230 --> 00:22:28.369
you came up and did a class with me. Because

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I think I had the ring divided. Yep. Right? And

00:22:33.809 --> 00:22:35.730
you were doing like a broad jump or something.

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Yeah, that's where we saw it a little bit. And

00:22:38.549 --> 00:22:41.150
he just, there was a little avoidance just because

00:22:41.150 --> 00:22:42.950
of that with the other dog on the other ring

00:22:42.950 --> 00:22:45.309
gate. And you just worked through it until he

00:22:45.309 --> 00:22:47.809
finally got it. And then I think you had moved

00:22:47.809 --> 00:22:51.190
it over a little bit to help him out. And he

00:22:51.190 --> 00:22:54.599
was successful. I give more space whenever possible.

00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:57.700
And if not, then I make it easier. And there's

00:22:57.700 --> 00:23:03.539
always something that you can do to backstep

00:23:03.539 --> 00:23:06.380
your exercise to the point that your dog can

00:23:06.380 --> 00:23:08.460
be successful. And if there's nothing you can

00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:10.160
do, that's really not an environment that they

00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:13.460
can work in at that time. They're not ready.

00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:17.660
I think what's really important because I've

00:23:17.660 --> 00:23:23.359
seen this happen a lot is where. Yes, that did

00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:28.480
happen to him. Yes, it did affect him. But it

00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.220
is what it is. It's done. So now or after that

00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:37.380
and through today, you just work with him to

00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:40.619
help him move through that. I think a lot of

00:23:40.619 --> 00:23:44.039
times people take that and then they go, they

00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.859
throw their hands up in the air and they're like,

00:23:46.859 --> 00:23:50.369
the dog's ruined. And every time like. they work

00:23:50.369 --> 00:23:52.869
their dog or their dog gets a little uncomfortable,

00:23:53.049 --> 00:23:55.450
weird. They're like, oh, see, there it is. There

00:23:55.450 --> 00:23:58.849
it is. And they almost make it worse by creating

00:23:58.849 --> 00:24:00.730
like this self -fulfilling prophecy. And then

00:24:00.730 --> 00:24:03.029
sometimes they're like, oh, see, he's nervous.

00:24:03.109 --> 00:24:06.109
And a dog in some situations isn't even nervous.

00:24:06.430 --> 00:24:09.730
Like the whole labeling thing, right? Instead

00:24:09.730 --> 00:24:12.809
of just being like, which is what you're doing,

00:24:12.829 --> 00:24:15.890
where you're like, yep, it happened. Yep, it

00:24:15.890 --> 00:24:20.359
sucks. Yep, it bothers him. um well now I have

00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:23.420
to deal with it here's what I'm doing and here's

00:24:23.420 --> 00:24:26.539
what I will continue to do right yep which is

00:24:26.539 --> 00:24:31.140
what I've always done um with Dwight is the message

00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:34.539
that I want Dwight to have as a takeaway is I

00:24:34.539 --> 00:24:37.140
understand why you're nervous and I think that's

00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:40.880
a valid reason but there's also ways that you

00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:44.779
can do this and I just want to empower him that

00:24:44.779 --> 00:24:48.839
he can do it because every time he does something

00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.480
that's challenging especially around you know

00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:55.920
in a very highly pressurized situation he's always

00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.220
so proud of himself and we can genuinely celebrate

00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:04.359
that yeah and you can build on that right and

00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.599
I think that I always say to my students I'm

00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.660
like first of all you have to believe in the

00:25:10.660 --> 00:25:12.799
dog right because if you don't believe in the

00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:15.039
dog well the dog's never going to believe in

00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.140
themselves and you have to be the anchor for

00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:21.240
the dog. Like you have to stop being like, Oh

00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.740
God, Oh God. And just be cool, calm and collected.

00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.579
Okay. I see this. All right. Let me help you

00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:29.640
through this or, you know, let me help you work

00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:34.460
through this and then build that teamwork, build

00:25:34.460 --> 00:25:38.299
that trust, build that confidence rather than

00:25:38.299 --> 00:25:42.500
just kind of, you know, throw their hands up

00:25:42.500 --> 00:25:45.359
in the air and like, every single every time

00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.480
the dog like looks left or right go see he's

00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:53.480
nervous see he's panicking um and then it makes

00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:56.119
you powerless like you when that happens you

00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:58.700
can't really do anything to fix it or to help

00:25:58.700 --> 00:26:03.940
the dog or to help the dog overcome it um and

00:26:03.940 --> 00:26:08.440
um going back to just the the labeling i think

00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.819
this applies to um i mean it applies to all dogs

00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:14.289
you know but definitely there's there's people

00:26:14.289 --> 00:26:16.970
who bring out very non -traditional dogs and

00:26:16.970 --> 00:26:20.089
they're like well my my dog couldn't work because

00:26:20.089 --> 00:26:22.009
you know that fluffy coat looked like a sheep

00:26:22.009 --> 00:26:27.410
you know or i don't know um like there must be

00:26:27.410 --> 00:26:31.750
rats in that corner my my dog is a terrier so

00:26:31.750 --> 00:26:34.029
of course you know he's sniffing because there

00:26:34.029 --> 00:26:37.210
must have been rats in here at some point right

00:26:37.210 --> 00:26:41.819
um it all kind of goes back to like the There

00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:44.680
must have been a bitch in heat in here at some

00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:52.940
point. Yes. And I think that particularly with

00:26:52.940 --> 00:26:57.140
some of the more non -traditional dogs, there

00:26:57.140 --> 00:27:00.799
are people who, when they're not having success,

00:27:01.180 --> 00:27:08.119
they try and find an excuse that would be more

00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:13.079
unique to their dog and their situation. Yeah.

00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:16.240
Yes. And again, it's limiting because then you

00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.240
can't you don't have a solution then. Right.

00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.059
You can't fix it. Right. Like if your dog's a

00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:24.779
terrier and there's rats in every corner. Well,

00:27:24.900 --> 00:27:28.000
then basically you're shit out of luck. Right.

00:27:28.099 --> 00:27:31.779
Right. Right. Nothing you can do about it versus.

00:27:32.819 --> 00:27:35.779
Yes, I have a terrier. Maybe there were rats

00:27:35.779 --> 00:27:39.099
here. Maybe there weren't. But. In either event,

00:27:39.140 --> 00:27:43.799
I'm just going to keep working to help my dog

00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:48.240
be more engaged or help my dog, you know, overcome

00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.480
their rat obsession. Yeah, you always have the

00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:54.420
choice of how you attack this, whether it's to

00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:57.900
be powerless or to be powerful. Kind of an example

00:27:57.900 --> 00:28:03.900
of this is several years ago, I knew that German

00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:06.380
Wirehead Pointer Nationals was going to be held

00:28:06.380 --> 00:28:09.779
in a livestock barn. And several years before

00:28:09.779 --> 00:28:11.940
it had also been held in another livestock barn.

00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:14.920
There were pigeons in the rafters. Almost no

00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.859
dogs qualified in obedience. It was kind of a

00:28:17.859 --> 00:28:19.339
shit show. Actually, no, it wasn't kind of a

00:28:19.339 --> 00:28:27.420
shit show. It just was. It was bad. But I'm like,

00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:31.539
you know what? I know where there's a pigeon

00:28:31.539 --> 00:28:35.130
coop. And so I had my dog do signals in a pigeon

00:28:35.130 --> 00:28:36.789
coop because I'm like, if you can do signals

00:28:36.789 --> 00:28:40.609
with 20 pigeons flying around and into you, you

00:28:40.609 --> 00:28:43.130
can do it if there's a couple in the rafters.

00:28:43.809 --> 00:28:45.930
And we got high on trial that year. Yeah, high

00:28:45.930 --> 00:28:49.769
on trial and high combined. I love it. You know

00:28:49.769 --> 00:28:54.349
what? On off -breed nationals, first of all,

00:28:55.269 --> 00:28:59.950
why do they do? Because my one training partner

00:28:59.950 --> 00:29:02.740
is a Rhodesian Ridgeback. They'll have it in,

00:29:02.779 --> 00:29:06.319
like, a barn. You know, like, they had it last

00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:10.579
year, no center stanchion. Like, they didn't

00:29:10.579 --> 00:29:12.500
even have regular ringing. Yeah, it was like

00:29:12.500 --> 00:29:14.920
a dressage ring with the loaf. Yeah, it was like

00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.740
a dressage. And I'm like, what are you people

00:29:17.740 --> 00:29:21.640
doing to these? I know. Give them a chance. These

00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:29.779
venues, geez. Help them out. It's so hard. You

00:29:29.779 --> 00:29:32.720
know, there's there's a lot that I wish could

00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:34.720
be different. And I think a lot of it oftentimes

00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.680
comes down to finances. These are smaller clubs

00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.940
and they may not have the most money to rent

00:29:41.940 --> 00:29:45.039
the nicest rings. And particularly, you know,

00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.700
like I know for Wirehair Nationals, I was chair

00:29:48.700 --> 00:29:53.599
one year and the person, the friend that I was

00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.140
co -chair with. We were the only two people in

00:29:56.140 --> 00:29:58.460
the B classes. So we were both simultaneously

00:29:58.460 --> 00:30:02.160
setting up and stewarding for each other in between

00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:07.720
running dogs. And then there was a handful, maybe

00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.799
like four or five novice dogs. So it's really

00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:13.960
hard when you have that small of an entry to

00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:16.960
be able to justify financially getting a really

00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.119
nice setup that would be advantageous for newbies

00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:23.079
to want to. It's kind of like this catch 22 of

00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:25.920
people don't want to enter these small breed

00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.960
nationals in the lower levels for obedience because

00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:34.819
it's going to be subpar of a setup for success

00:30:34.819 --> 00:30:39.619
than most local trials. But then there's not

00:30:39.619 --> 00:30:42.920
the entries to support financially getting a

00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.259
nicer venue. yeah and it's kind of like you said

00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:49.160
because my training partner like he'll find out

00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:51.279
where the nationals are held find out what the

00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:54.000
venue's like i remember one year it was on like

00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:59.940
a dirt floor barn type scenario so we um we found

00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:04.000
some dirt floor places where we could train right

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.099
and we took them there and we trained there because

00:31:06.099 --> 00:31:10.799
um you know rhodesians are very they they are

00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.829
not you know yeah the whole bred to hunt lions

00:31:13.829 --> 00:31:16.470
not not the ones that are that are being bred

00:31:16.470 --> 00:31:19.349
now they don't like their paws to get wet they

00:31:19.349 --> 00:31:21.809
don't like to lay down you know they're like

00:31:21.809 --> 00:31:25.410
prima donnas they're like princesses so um you

00:31:25.410 --> 00:31:28.009
know what he would was he get like he probably

00:31:28.009 --> 00:31:30.250
wouldn't want to lay down on the juror and he

00:31:30.250 --> 00:31:32.589
wouldn't want to do this and that so we rented

00:31:32.589 --> 00:31:35.369
these places or we you know he made arrangements

00:31:35.369 --> 00:31:38.289
to go to these different places so he could work

00:31:38.289 --> 00:31:43.430
through all those things to um you know maximize

00:31:43.430 --> 00:31:48.529
the dog's ability to succeed in that like unique

00:31:48.529 --> 00:31:52.529
setting and then even where they had um the last

00:31:52.529 --> 00:31:55.069
one where they had those wacky ring gates like

00:31:55.069 --> 00:32:00.650
he just warmed up to you know towards that like

00:32:00.650 --> 00:32:03.809
he he just what he wasn't like oh god i'm done

00:32:03.809 --> 00:32:06.089
is the bottom line right he didn't just throw

00:32:06.089 --> 00:32:10.720
up his hands in despair he solve the problem

00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:16.019
right how can I help my dog be successful in

00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:21.500
this situation um and yeah so what you said is

00:32:21.500 --> 00:32:24.460
like so key I had that written down because um

00:32:24.460 --> 00:32:29.240
when people use those breed labels as an excuse

00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:33.259
in a sense of like well now I can't do anything

00:32:33.259 --> 00:32:37.569
about it well then you then you can't right you're

00:32:37.569 --> 00:32:42.190
not empowering yourself instead so you know be

00:32:42.190 --> 00:32:44.849
creative think about how can you solve the problem

00:32:44.849 --> 00:32:48.130
understand yeah I may need to work way harder

00:32:48.130 --> 00:32:52.230
on this than somebody else but that's okay because

00:32:52.230 --> 00:32:57.890
that's another thing like if you choose an off

00:32:57.890 --> 00:33:04.559
breed then You chose that breed, right? And so

00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:10.819
you are going to have more challenges than certain

00:33:10.819 --> 00:33:14.099
other people with certain other dogs. For sure.

00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:18.359
And that comes with it. So you know that going

00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:22.480
in. So I don't like when people are like, oh,

00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.839
stupid terriers, blah, blah. Well, dude, you

00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.599
got a terrier. Right. That's the dog that you

00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.240
have and you love. Obviously it lives in your

00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:36.000
house for a reason. Yeah. Right. Like, yeah,

00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.940
I get it. It can get a little frustrating, but

00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:41.900
it is what it is. It is a terrier at the end

00:33:41.900 --> 00:33:46.339
of the day. Keep at it. Doesn't mean you can't,

00:33:46.339 --> 00:33:49.380
you know, you can't do well with it. You might

00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:52.359
have to work harder. Okay. That's just part of

00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.420
the territory. If you don't want to do that.

00:33:56.559 --> 00:34:00.400
then don't get a terrier get a golden retriever

00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.700
i'm not saying all golden retrievers are easy

00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:04.900
to chain people don't slip out i'm just saying

00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:08.119
but i i think something that also we need to

00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:11.619
talk about is that there's a spectrum of non

00:34:11.619 --> 00:34:15.480
-traditional um and that not all non -traditional

00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:20.619
breeds are equally non -traditional um so i think

00:34:20.619 --> 00:34:23.599
before we get into this like i i want to define

00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.550
both non -traditional and To do that, you know,

00:34:26.550 --> 00:34:28.349
it's just the opposite of traditional, which

00:34:28.349 --> 00:34:33.050
would be breeds that both currently and historically

00:34:33.050 --> 00:34:37.650
dominate in the obedience ring. So like Retrievers,

00:34:37.750 --> 00:34:40.530
Goldens, Labs, and then Border Collies, Shelties,

00:34:40.590 --> 00:34:42.449
and then some of these more historical breeds

00:34:42.449 --> 00:34:46.670
like Poodles and German Shepherds. So that's

00:34:46.670 --> 00:34:49.170
kind of what you call this more traditional group.

00:34:49.289 --> 00:34:52.570
And then everything else is just this amorphous,

00:34:52.590 --> 00:34:59.059
non -traditional group. But there is such a spectrum

00:34:59.059 --> 00:35:04.199
within that. And the challenge level is exponentially

00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:08.800
higher in some of these breeds than others. Like

00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.199
there's some of these uncommon or rare breeds

00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.280
that are hidden gems waiting to be discovered

00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.500
for performance sports. I agree. Sorry, I had

00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:19.860
to say that because there are so many breeds.

00:35:19.940 --> 00:35:22.159
I'm like, oh, my God, why aren't why are more

00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.079
people not have this breed? Honestly, I think

00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.039
of German Wirehaired Pointers that way. I think

00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.219
that if you want a real hidden gem and you want

00:35:30.219 --> 00:35:37.159
to do well in breeds, literally any sport, pick

00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.460
your sport. You can be in the top five if you

00:35:40.460 --> 00:35:47.619
can get to the top level. But yeah, so there's

00:35:47.619 --> 00:35:54.869
these non -traditional breeds. Well, actually,

00:35:54.929 --> 00:35:58.829
let me back up for a second. So I want to kind

00:35:58.829 --> 00:36:01.349
of break down some of the temperament traits

00:36:01.349 --> 00:36:05.010
that are common to the breeds that we commonly

00:36:05.010 --> 00:36:08.489
see on the podiums. And that's going to be high

00:36:08.489 --> 00:36:12.829
energy, easily motivated, resilient to both pressure

00:36:12.829 --> 00:36:16.150
and repetition, biddable and wants to work with

00:36:16.150 --> 00:36:19.730
people, and a dog who finds the act of working

00:36:19.730 --> 00:36:23.489
to be inherently rewarding. And then physically,

00:36:24.190 --> 00:36:26.869
Dogs who are medium to large in size, square

00:36:26.869 --> 00:36:29.809
and build, you know, dog shaped for lack of a

00:36:29.809 --> 00:36:34.869
better word. Yeah. And has fluffier curly hair.

00:36:35.869 --> 00:36:39.190
So these are all the traits that the more of

00:36:39.190 --> 00:36:42.570
these traits are a predictor of success where

00:36:42.570 --> 00:36:45.170
and the more likely that success is going to

00:36:45.170 --> 00:36:49.329
come easily. Well, conversely, the more divergent

00:36:49.329 --> 00:36:52.760
a dog is from any of those traits. the more challenging

00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.000
it's going to be for them to do well in obedience.

00:36:57.619 --> 00:37:00.699
Or rally or certain other sports that are not

00:37:00.699 --> 00:37:03.199
where they're not that they're not inherently

00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:09.659
bred for. Right. Right. And that's a very good

00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:14.340
definition. Yeah. Thank you. I thought a lot

00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:19.420
about this. clearly because i think this is a

00:37:19.420 --> 00:37:22.440
topic that comes up with a lot of people with

00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:26.960
depending on what they have for their dog you

00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:30.400
know their breed a dog for sure and it's also

00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:35.320
understanding like this um so you know back to

00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.500
dwight just because you did such a nice example

00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:45.380
of like um He he likes he wants to like sniffing

00:37:45.380 --> 00:37:49.059
is in him like it's it's wired into his DNA.

00:37:49.099 --> 00:37:53.619
Right. I'm not going to fight that. Right. I'm

00:37:53.619 --> 00:37:56.239
not going to be like, stop sniffing, stop sniffing.

00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:58.880
I'm just going to leverage that. Right. Like

00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.360
I'm going to accept like this is who you are.

00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:07.199
I understand that. So how can I take that? And

00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:11.250
leverage that. to get what I need you to get

00:38:11.250 --> 00:38:14.530
or what I would like you to give me. Right. And

00:38:14.530 --> 00:38:17.510
I feel like sometimes people on the one hand,

00:38:17.530 --> 00:38:20.030
they'll use their dog's traits as an excuse.

00:38:20.150 --> 00:38:23.070
But on the other hand, they're like trying to

00:38:23.070 --> 00:38:26.110
fight a battle that they're never going to win

00:38:26.110 --> 00:38:29.949
because at the end of the day, you're not going

00:38:29.949 --> 00:38:35.250
to change like innately the genetics that are

00:38:35.250 --> 00:38:40.219
just wired into your dog. Right. So another example

00:38:40.219 --> 00:38:42.239
of that, my German Wirehaired Pointer, Newt.

00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:47.840
He is a very environmentally aware dog. He's

00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.119
a pointer and he's also like I've worked him

00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.579
a lot on birds. He's a dual champion. So he's

00:38:55.579 --> 00:38:57.460
got his field championship and he's also a master

00:38:57.460 --> 00:38:59.380
hunter. So he's been on birds pretty extensively.

00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:04.239
He understands that the environment has these

00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:09.809
draws. He listens and he watches for small changes

00:39:09.809 --> 00:39:13.530
in the environment. I know this about him. And

00:39:13.530 --> 00:39:16.909
something that I've noticed just historically

00:39:16.909 --> 00:39:22.269
is that if I can get him into busier venues,

00:39:22.449 --> 00:39:25.969
he tends to do so much better than when I have

00:39:25.969 --> 00:39:32.210
him in quiet, sterile venues. So in my state

00:39:32.210 --> 00:39:34.780
of North Carolina. Almost all of the trials are

00:39:34.780 --> 00:39:39.139
single ring, one judge trials. And you're going

00:39:39.139 --> 00:39:41.940
to be hard pressed to find a trial where people

00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:44.960
won't shush you if you talk in a conversational

00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:50.440
tone. So I always wanted to get Newt much more

00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:55.619
consistent locally before I traveled with him.

00:39:55.900 --> 00:39:59.710
But I never really, I got his UD. He got his

00:39:59.710 --> 00:40:03.190
UDX, but he was never really consistent or working

00:40:03.190 --> 00:40:05.750
in a way that he seemed happy and that I was

00:40:05.750 --> 00:40:09.250
super comfortable with. And then I would take

00:40:09.250 --> 00:40:12.090
him to the Classic. The first year we went to

00:40:12.090 --> 00:40:15.170
the Classic, had a trial right beforehand locally.

00:40:15.429 --> 00:40:18.929
He bombed it. And I was convinced he was going

00:40:18.929 --> 00:40:22.010
to do awful. He got third and open that year.

00:40:22.469 --> 00:40:24.929
Same exact setup the next year. He got fourth

00:40:24.929 --> 00:40:29.789
in utility. And then, you know, so it came to

00:40:29.789 --> 00:40:35.530
being this pattern of, OK. I know he at least

00:40:35.530 --> 00:40:39.550
likes these really busy venues. He did really

00:40:39.550 --> 00:40:43.010
well ending up just a couple of placements outside

00:40:43.010 --> 00:40:48.489
of the top 10 in Masters last year. I was super

00:40:48.489 --> 00:40:51.070
proud about that. He made top 50 at the NOC.

00:40:52.750 --> 00:40:56.150
These are all things. He loves that environment.

00:40:56.269 --> 00:40:58.969
He loves the energy. He loves all that going

00:40:58.969 --> 00:41:01.130
on. It's more advantageous to him, you know?

00:41:01.130 --> 00:41:04.230
Yes. Like it's more advantageous to him. Well,

00:41:04.289 --> 00:41:07.409
for a dog who wants to look around, the more

00:41:07.409 --> 00:41:09.469
there is to look at, the less there is to see.

00:41:09.969 --> 00:41:14.570
Yeah. Yeah. You know, when you've got a quiet

00:41:14.570 --> 00:41:17.389
place, every little pin drop, every cough, every

00:41:17.389 --> 00:41:19.809
dog bark sounds deafening and you can hear it

00:41:19.809 --> 00:41:22.559
inside the ring. When you're in. You know, you

00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.539
may not realize it if you haven't gone to like

00:41:25.539 --> 00:41:28.300
the Classic or the NOC, but you don't hear any

00:41:28.300 --> 00:41:32.960
of the noise when you're in the ring. Yeah, it's

00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:37.000
just this loud buzz. Yeah, there's no one specific

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.539
noise because it's just background noise at that

00:41:39.539 --> 00:41:45.219
point. But you also, again, had to kind of just

00:41:45.219 --> 00:41:48.360
think outside, like you. you didn't just say

00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:50.619
well he can't do it in the quiet trial so no

00:41:50.619 --> 00:41:52.980
way I'm gonna try a busy trial you're like well

00:41:52.980 --> 00:41:56.599
I'll try it you know what I'm saying like I think

00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.579
that a lot of times people pigeonhole themselves

00:42:00.579 --> 00:42:05.280
um they limit themselves like you have to be

00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.179
creative sometimes you have to be willing to

00:42:07.179 --> 00:42:10.460
try it okay I try it was a disaster okay no big

00:42:10.460 --> 00:42:13.300
deal like well that didn't work right I think

00:42:13.300 --> 00:42:17.269
people sometimes they They worry too much or

00:42:17.269 --> 00:42:19.190
they're like, you know, this is the way it's

00:42:19.190 --> 00:42:22.469
done or or this step has to come before that

00:42:22.469 --> 00:42:27.829
step. And I think that I think we've talked a

00:42:27.829 --> 00:42:29.909
little bit about this in the past, like creativity,

00:42:30.070 --> 00:42:33.170
like is so important in training, like willing

00:42:33.170 --> 00:42:36.409
to try different things, willing to just see

00:42:36.409 --> 00:42:39.269
what happens, willing to like, OK, if it doesn't

00:42:39.269 --> 00:42:42.280
work out, it doesn't work out. And I think when

00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.619
you have non -traditional breeds or even a traditional

00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:48.679
breed and for that dog is just more challenging,

00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:54.619
you need to be like open -minded. You need to

00:42:54.619 --> 00:42:59.320
be willing to just try some things that on paper

00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.400
might not make sense or that if you told somebody,

00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.360
they might go, oh, that's going to be a disaster.

00:43:05.539 --> 00:43:07.559
Yeah, I agree. I was just going to say that.

00:43:07.940 --> 00:43:12.630
Listen to your gut. Yeah. And just try things

00:43:12.630 --> 00:43:15.530
anyway. Like, I think that's interesting because

00:43:15.530 --> 00:43:20.750
you're pretty young. Like, I feel like you're

00:43:20.750 --> 00:43:27.789
maybe that's why you're more open minded. Well,

00:43:27.929 --> 00:43:32.269
I feel like, you know, there's a lot of people

00:43:32.269 --> 00:43:36.170
who have told me I can't do what I want to do.

00:43:36.250 --> 00:43:39.199
And I'm one of these people who I'm like. Well,

00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:45.840
fuck you. I'll show you. Amen, sister. Right.

00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:54.039
But it's not always easy. Right. It's like it's

00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.980
not easy when you're trying things. And then,

00:43:57.980 --> 00:43:59.900
you know, of course, when we try things, a lot

00:43:59.900 --> 00:44:02.980
of times they don't work. And then we'll we have

00:44:02.980 --> 00:44:06.260
self -doubt. Right. And then added on top of

00:44:06.260 --> 00:44:09.940
that, we have these people. saying you know or

00:44:09.940 --> 00:44:12.079
at least if they're not saying it to your face

00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.000
you know they're saying it behind your back i

00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:21.579
told you so right um like you have to have something

00:44:21.579 --> 00:44:25.599
where you're just like pick yourself up dust

00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.920
yourself off and keep going well sometimes you

00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.980
just have to experiment like they're you know

00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:35.300
what i mean with anybody absolutely you have

00:44:35.300 --> 00:44:42.840
to have that freedom that like to be able to

00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.059
say, you know what, I'm just going to try it.

00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.099
It may go sideways, but I need to know if this

00:44:49.099 --> 00:44:51.340
is a possibility that's going to work for this

00:44:51.340 --> 00:44:53.019
dog. And sometimes you just need to freaking

00:44:53.019 --> 00:44:56.480
try it. But that takes courage. It sure does.

00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:00.699
Because you're doing something that is that not

00:45:00.699 --> 00:45:03.800
everyone else is doing. You're doing it your

00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:08.280
way. And people just love to watch people fail.

00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.679
Right. And we know that it's in the back of our

00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:16.519
mind, like, because we just know that. And so

00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:20.559
to be able to take that leap and like to have

00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:24.190
it fail. And then not just go, well, I'll just

00:45:24.190 --> 00:45:26.289
go back to what. Well, I'm going to try something

00:45:26.289 --> 00:45:29.170
different again. Like what? But I think this

00:45:29.170 --> 00:45:32.849
is also about defining what failure is. So kind

00:45:32.849 --> 00:45:34.789
of to go back to the example of Dwight and his

00:45:34.789 --> 00:45:40.230
articles, I tried tie downs and he was clearly

00:45:40.230 --> 00:45:42.590
getting frustrated by the fact that he knew that

00:45:42.590 --> 00:45:47.150
he needed to retrieve and he couldn't. Like if

00:45:47.150 --> 00:45:49.429
he would get to one that he couldn't immediately

00:45:49.429 --> 00:45:53.420
pick up. It didn't really compute to him to keep

00:45:53.420 --> 00:45:55.340
trying again on other ones. He would just try

00:45:55.340 --> 00:45:59.800
harder on the first one that he came to. So could

00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:01.920
that be looked at as a failure? Yeah, that wasn't

00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:04.019
the method for him. But my takeaway from that

00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:08.519
wasn't that tie down was a failure overall. It

00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:12.219
was that actually tying down the articles, having

00:46:12.219 --> 00:46:16.380
him be unable to bring something back was creating

00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:22.199
a frustration for him that was. the opposite

00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.219
of helpful for what my goals were. You know,

00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:31.780
I tried using food on the articles, which that

00:46:31.780 --> 00:46:36.739
was great. But, you know, he also had some self

00:46:36.739 --> 00:46:40.840
-doubt afterward of if there's not food, where

00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:46.639
are we? And as I started to fade it down. And

00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:49.960
ultimately, you know, what I came to was, OK.

00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:53.519
He just needs to be, you know, shaped on dissent.

00:46:54.300 --> 00:46:56.820
And we'll see how that goes. And that worked

00:46:56.820 --> 00:47:01.400
marvelously. Right. So it's the perspective.

00:47:01.420 --> 00:47:04.800
And I think that's a huge point because I do

00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.139
think people are very much oriented to it's either

00:47:08.139 --> 00:47:12.699
a success or a failure. Right. Yeah. Obedience

00:47:12.699 --> 00:47:16.019
is way too hard, especially if you have an uphill

00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:18.900
battle already just by the breed that you chose.

00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.280
to be able to see it in terms of pass, fail,

00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:26.539
win, lose. Well, and also paired with the being

00:47:26.539 --> 00:47:30.320
limited to your options of training methods or

00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.500
ideas and lack of creativity and the freedom

00:47:33.500 --> 00:47:37.300
to try more abstract ways. I think that's a big

00:47:37.300 --> 00:47:39.820
one. Oh, for sure. I think it's like that in

00:47:39.820 --> 00:47:42.239
a lot of sports, though. Like a lot of sports,

00:47:42.739 --> 00:47:46.599
some more than others, you know, have like set

00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.840
ways, like this is how we do it. Right. And then

00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:56.840
and in general, like I have someone she has a

00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.239
terrier. She's doing sent articles. I'm teaching

00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:07.000
her the, you know, sent the. Oh, my God, Lori,

00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.639
help me. The word tens. Yeah. That sent the tens.

00:48:11.059 --> 00:48:15.610
Right. And then whatever the whole method. and

00:48:15.610 --> 00:48:18.550
like the dogs and she's never done sent articles

00:48:18.550 --> 00:48:23.369
before right so dog's doing great step by step

00:48:23.369 --> 00:48:27.650
and it's like step by step she posts a video

00:48:27.650 --> 00:48:32.509
she's like look how well my dog's doing well,

00:48:32.509 --> 00:48:35.409
how are you going to do? And immediately, like,

00:48:35.409 --> 00:48:38.269
like two or three times now, someone has said

00:48:38.269 --> 00:48:39.989
to her, well, how's that going to work out? You

00:48:39.989 --> 00:48:42.110
better make sure the dog's not doing this, or

00:48:42.110 --> 00:48:44.010
you better make sure the dog's not doing that.

00:48:44.150 --> 00:48:48.510
And I'm like, that doesn't even make sense. Right.

00:48:48.590 --> 00:48:50.809
So she comes to me, she's like, um, somebody

00:48:50.809 --> 00:48:53.969
said, blah, blah, blah. Right. And so of course,

00:48:53.989 --> 00:48:56.909
like, luckily, you know, luckily she has me to

00:48:56.909 --> 00:48:59.610
come to, but like, right. Then now she's going

00:48:59.610 --> 00:49:02.159
to start. Oh, well, maybe I'm doing this wrong,

00:49:02.260 --> 00:49:05.579
even though it's going well. Like, right. Oh,

00:49:05.659 --> 00:49:08.199
right. So maybe I shouldn't be doing like that.

00:49:08.260 --> 00:49:11.280
Maybe because I'm from the other person's perspective.

00:49:11.420 --> 00:49:14.539
Oh, this is a different method. You don't even

00:49:14.539 --> 00:49:18.300
understand the method, but then don't start.

00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.280
But that's just human nature, right? Yeah, for

00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:25.860
sure. So one of the critiques that I would have

00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:29.960
for. just the amount of information available,

00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:33.039
particularly to people who need a much more creative

00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.139
path for their dog, whether that's a non -traditional

00:49:35.139 --> 00:49:40.019
dog or just a more challenging traditional breed,

00:49:40.179 --> 00:49:44.980
is that there's some incredible training talent

00:49:44.980 --> 00:49:48.099
in this country who are very set in their ways

00:49:48.099 --> 00:49:52.460
of how things are done and anything outside of

00:49:52.460 --> 00:49:57.690
that is wrong. For sure. Something that I face

00:49:57.690 --> 00:50:02.150
kind of an issue with Dwight was he really struggled

00:50:02.150 --> 00:50:08.030
with the concept of stand. And he's a dachshund.

00:50:08.170 --> 00:50:11.230
So people just automatically assume, oh, well,

00:50:11.289 --> 00:50:14.969
his back must hurt or, you know, like because

00:50:14.969 --> 00:50:18.550
what he would do is he would stand and then he

00:50:18.550 --> 00:50:22.409
would sit back down. Yeah. So people assume that

00:50:22.409 --> 00:50:27.389
his back hurt or his knees were bad. I was told,

00:50:27.409 --> 00:50:30.829
go talk to the Ochdoxin people. Do you know how

00:50:30.829 --> 00:50:35.590
many Ochdoxin people there are? None? One? More

00:50:35.590 --> 00:50:40.389
than none, but I think it's one or two. You know,

00:50:40.409 --> 00:50:42.349
who are currently, the dog is alive right now.

00:50:42.809 --> 00:50:48.510
Yeah, right. Forty years ago. Right, exactly.

00:50:49.769 --> 00:50:53.440
And the other thing is, they're all minis. Dwight

00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.139
is a standard and he's a bigger standard, too.

00:50:56.219 --> 00:51:00.119
He's 27 pounds. So he's twice as long as some

00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:05.059
of these mini dachshunds. And a stand has just

00:51:05.059 --> 00:51:07.380
not been the easiest thing for him. I've tried

00:51:07.380 --> 00:51:09.340
everything. And like I was getting suggestions

00:51:09.340 --> 00:51:12.920
like, well, just kick under his belly. OK, well,

00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.260
then he's he wants to move away. I don't want

00:51:16.260 --> 00:51:18.099
to teach him to move away from pressure when

00:51:18.099 --> 00:51:20.000
I've spent so much time teaching him to come

00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.210
into my pressure. Yeah. put a you know cold coke

00:51:24.210 --> 00:51:27.650
can under his belly he'll stand up oh jesus why

00:51:27.650 --> 00:51:33.690
um like and i've had more than one arch trainer

00:51:33.690 --> 00:51:37.489
who was like here let me see they take a handful

00:51:37.489 --> 00:51:39.769
of treats they try what their normal method is

00:51:39.769 --> 00:51:41.929
that you know taught their border collie or their

00:51:41.929 --> 00:51:44.690
golden in all of about you know five minutes

00:51:44.690 --> 00:51:47.889
to stand forever and lo and behold it didn't

00:51:47.889 --> 00:51:52.630
work so what i Ended up doing, I don't know why,

00:51:52.769 --> 00:51:55.429
but I set up a camera at Dwight's level behind

00:51:55.429 --> 00:51:59.230
him where the judge would stand on signals. And

00:51:59.230 --> 00:52:06.989
I had him do a stand from a sit and a down. And

00:52:06.989 --> 00:52:11.829
I'm like, oh, my God, he's stepping on his tail.

00:52:12.369 --> 00:52:16.760
Oh, yeah. Remember you told me this. Yeah. So

00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:18.699
what he would do is he because I worked really

00:52:18.699 --> 00:52:20.920
hard on a kickback stand because I didn't really

00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.579
want him to move forward because anybody who's

00:52:23.579 --> 00:52:26.940
ever done obedience with a very pressure sensitive

00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:29.679
dog knows that one step turns into more very

00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:35.500
quickly. So I had him kick back and he would

00:52:35.500 --> 00:52:39.500
step on his tail and then with the pressure would

00:52:39.500 --> 00:52:42.039
sit back down. So I cut like four inches off

00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:44.679
his tail and suddenly I didn't have stand issues

00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:48.309
anymore. It was amazing. It was the quickest

00:52:48.309 --> 00:52:51.449
training fix I've ever had. Well, that's the

00:52:51.449 --> 00:52:55.110
whole, yeah. We have talked about this many times.

00:52:55.190 --> 00:53:00.869
There is no one method. There's just not. I can't

00:53:00.869 --> 00:53:05.710
even remember how I taught my dogs anything because

00:53:05.710 --> 00:53:10.030
I'm changing it all the time. And then with students'

00:53:10.190 --> 00:53:14.530
dogs, I'm never like, there's only this way because...

00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.880
There's got to be 10 different ways because each

00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:23.539
dog is different. Right. And yeah. And like,

00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:26.579
good point there too. Like literally you have

00:53:26.579 --> 00:53:29.139
to look at it from all angles, like literally

00:53:29.139 --> 00:53:35.840
like front side and back. Right. And really kind

00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.599
of analyze like, what, what are you doing? What

00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.519
is the dog doing? Like, how is the dog perceiving

00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.420
this? And that's what it should be all about.

00:53:44.539 --> 00:53:47.199
It should be about like solving the problem.

00:53:47.260 --> 00:53:50.159
Right. It shouldn't be about this is the method.

00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:54.860
Apply the method. The method should be solve

00:53:54.860 --> 00:54:00.599
the problem. Right. Be again, be creative. Figure

00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.340
it out. Don't just say like, well, this is this

00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:10.000
is the only way to do it. Well, there are people

00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.369
who. They only want to do a very specific type

00:54:14.369 --> 00:54:17.590
of methodology. They only want to train a very

00:54:17.590 --> 00:54:20.309
specific way. And that's all that they're comfortable

00:54:20.309 --> 00:54:22.710
with. And you know what? You can find a dog for

00:54:22.710 --> 00:54:25.030
that. But the number of dogs who will fit into

00:54:25.030 --> 00:54:29.630
that are very limiting. So if you have a non

00:54:29.630 --> 00:54:31.829
-traditional breed or a dog who doesn't work

00:54:31.829 --> 00:54:35.010
with your preferred methods, then your options

00:54:35.010 --> 00:54:37.690
are to either not train them or to train different.

00:54:37.989 --> 00:54:43.260
That's really as simple as it is. Yeah. Yeah.

00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:47.659
And I also think like advocating for your dog.

00:54:47.699 --> 00:54:51.079
Right. Because if you do have a different breed

00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:54.380
or a dog that, you know, has some issue and it's

00:54:54.380 --> 00:54:58.639
a struggle and and this isn't to throw shade

00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:01.460
on trainers because everybody's not like this.

00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:05.079
But, you know, like the trainer should either

00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:10.090
say, well, I'm not sure, like maybe like. like

00:55:10.090 --> 00:55:13.530
I don't have a problem if you go to a different

00:55:13.530 --> 00:55:16.989
trainer besides me right right or if you come

00:55:16.989 --> 00:55:21.349
up with different ideas like um but people again

00:55:21.349 --> 00:55:24.829
like they have to have the courage to say like

00:55:24.829 --> 00:55:27.550
well no I'm not gonna put the soda bottle under

00:55:27.550 --> 00:55:31.210
nope I'm not gonna put my foot under no I'm gonna

00:55:31.210 --> 00:55:34.250
like not do the things that I don't think are

00:55:34.250 --> 00:55:38.500
gonna work for this particular dog Um, but I'm

00:55:38.500 --> 00:55:40.199
also not going to give up. I'm going to keep

00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.739
looking and I'm going to keep searching and I'm

00:55:42.739 --> 00:55:45.159
going to figure it out. Right. And so they have

00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:48.820
to be willing to say like, okay, yeah, no, I

00:55:48.820 --> 00:55:52.679
don't want to try that. Um, and, but also not

00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:55.840
give up, right. And not say, or not if the trainers

00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.800
as well, then you can't fix it or you, or whatever

00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:03.219
limiting thing they might say, or other people

00:56:03.219 --> 00:56:07.130
might say, you have to be like, yeah. Maybe you're

00:56:07.130 --> 00:56:09.269
right, but I'm going to keep trying to figure

00:56:09.269 --> 00:56:12.429
this out. Like I'm going to keep trying to solve

00:56:12.429 --> 00:56:18.710
this problem. Right. And people have to trust

00:56:18.710 --> 00:56:23.210
in their gut. You know, everybody's insecure.

00:56:25.289 --> 00:56:31.969
But at the end of the day, if your gut is telling

00:56:31.969 --> 00:56:37.980
you it's not this or it's not that. Right. Then

00:56:37.980 --> 00:56:41.079
you have to believe that because no one knows

00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:45.559
your dog better than you know your dog. Right.

00:56:47.139 --> 00:56:49.420
Go ahead. And I think as far as methods, you

00:56:49.420 --> 00:56:53.519
also have to sometimes choose or decide, I guess,

00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:56.139
is this a method that's going to be beneficial

00:56:56.139 --> 00:57:00.519
to my relationship with my dog? True. Because

00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:05.980
there are methods that work that. might produce

00:57:05.980 --> 00:57:08.619
short -term results that don't give you long

00:57:08.619 --> 00:57:11.320
-term what you're looking for and that's also

00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:13.760
something that you need to really decide is that

00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:21.639
a road that you want to go down yeah boy is that

00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:29.139
a hotbed right now yeah that's a whole nother

00:57:29.139 --> 00:57:31.300
hour conversation i'm not even gonna go down

00:57:31.300 --> 00:57:36.690
that road um yes right because at the end of

00:57:36.690 --> 00:57:39.030
the day that's what it's got to be about like

00:57:39.030 --> 00:57:42.329
I try to tell people like do you even remember

00:57:42.329 --> 00:57:45.869
why you started doing this like why did you start

00:57:45.869 --> 00:57:48.730
why did you first do dog sports like I remember

00:57:48.730 --> 00:57:52.030
why I did it I wanted to spend more quality time

00:57:52.030 --> 00:57:55.670
with my dog and I wanted to like build my bond

00:57:55.670 --> 00:58:00.840
with my dog that is literally why I started doing

00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:02.760
this and Lori and I have said this many times,

00:58:02.820 --> 00:58:06.340
like our dogs first and foremost, they're our

00:58:06.340 --> 00:58:10.760
pets. Yeah. Like that's what they are first.

00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:15.099
Right. And everything else after that is everything

00:58:15.099 --> 00:58:17.780
else after that. Right. And it's just supposed

00:58:17.780 --> 00:58:21.340
to be things we do together that we enjoy doing

00:58:21.340 --> 00:58:24.079
together. It's a relationship we build. We build

00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:26.619
the relationship because we're really learning

00:58:26.619 --> 00:58:29.440
about the dog and figuring. figuring this dog

00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:34.280
out and communicating with this dog and that

00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:39.820
at the end of the day is what trumps everything

00:58:39.820 --> 00:58:43.599
else and it's why we make the choices we make

00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:49.070
and why we like why we Like I, there have been

00:58:49.070 --> 00:58:51.250
many times where I'm like, yeah, I'm not going

00:58:51.250 --> 00:58:53.570
to do that. I'm going to try and do it this way.

00:58:53.670 --> 00:58:56.570
And in spite, you know, spite of it causing me

00:58:56.570 --> 00:59:02.170
big problems with people, sometimes I go home

00:59:02.170 --> 00:59:04.010
and I think about it and I'm like, you know what?

00:59:04.550 --> 00:59:07.170
Yeah, I'm, this is what I'm going to do because

00:59:07.170 --> 00:59:10.730
I, this is what I want to do for my dog. Right.

00:59:11.170 --> 00:59:14.920
And, um, And again, and I have students, they

00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:16.980
come to me like with a struggle, like, you know,

00:59:17.179 --> 00:59:23.000
um, I, I want to go to this class or I want to

00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:24.760
go to this situation or I want to train with

00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:28.380
these people, but it's contrary or, but you know,

00:59:28.380 --> 00:59:30.960
I need to put the rule. And I always say the

00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:34.360
relate what you. Your relationship comes first.

00:59:34.380 --> 00:59:36.480
What you need to do with your dog comes first.

00:59:36.539 --> 00:59:39.599
And you can kindly explain that. And if people

00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:41.719
aren't okay with that, then you need to make

00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.079
a decision. And the decision might be hard. You

00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.340
might need to leave. You might need to walk away.

00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:51.920
Right. You might lose. I think somebody recently,

00:59:51.980 --> 00:59:57.460
I think I sent you that message, right? emailed

00:59:57.460 --> 00:59:59.820
us or messaged us something along those lines

00:59:59.820 --> 01:00:01.860
like you know like i'm training with these people

01:00:01.860 --> 01:00:05.739
and it's not in line and like that's hard it's

01:00:05.739 --> 01:00:09.340
really it's uncomfortable it's it's very hard

01:00:09.340 --> 01:00:15.179
on many different ways um you know and at the

01:00:15.179 --> 01:00:18.219
end of the day like this is this is i think something

01:00:18.219 --> 01:00:20.960
that resonates with most people out there training

01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:25.380
dogs in whatever community you're in like the

01:00:25.380 --> 01:00:28.820
opinions and the advice come flowing in from

01:00:28.820 --> 01:00:31.159
everybody thinking that they're an expert, obviously

01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:34.780
in that. And at the end of the day, it does come

01:00:34.780 --> 01:00:37.860
back to you and your dog and your relationship.

01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:44.679
And at what cost are you willing to get to whatever

01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:48.719
end point or goal or whatever it is you're trying

01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.960
to get to? Like, you know, I don't know. I always

01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:56.639
say like, I always try to put it in terms of,

01:00:56.699 --> 01:01:00.260
like, my relationship with my dog is first and

01:01:00.260 --> 01:01:06.239
foremost. And it's, like, it is first and foremost

01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.619
all the time. And I'm not going to do anything

01:01:08.619 --> 01:01:11.000
that's going to take away from that. And I always

01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:13.760
just say, like, it's just too expensive. I'm

01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.280
not going to risk that. I'm not risking that

01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:21.079
between my dog and I. There's got to be another

01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:25.550
way, right? And that is, it's very hard. again

01:01:25.550 --> 01:01:28.090
we could go down that road yep and you can have

01:01:28.090 --> 01:01:32.550
big goals without like you don't have to sacrifice

01:01:32.550 --> 01:01:37.329
your desire to you know have big goals right

01:01:37.329 --> 01:01:40.130
for the relationship in fact i would say sometimes

01:01:40.130 --> 01:01:44.510
it's actually the opposite if you um spare your

01:01:44.510 --> 01:01:47.070
relationship you're not going to get to the big

01:01:47.070 --> 01:01:51.090
goals yeah um i've had a number of people ask

01:01:51.090 --> 01:01:55.150
me if i plan to get an aunt on dwight and I say

01:01:55.150 --> 01:01:58.070
no. And it's not because I wouldn't love a notch.

01:01:58.590 --> 01:02:01.190
It's not because I don't think that based on

01:02:01.190 --> 01:02:03.889
what I'm seeing right now that he might be capable

01:02:03.889 --> 01:02:09.090
of one. It's that if I acknowledge that as a

01:02:09.090 --> 01:02:10.849
goal at this point in time, he doesn't even have

01:02:10.849 --> 01:02:15.829
a UD. So if I acknowledge that as a goal, it's

01:02:15.829 --> 01:02:19.909
not going to that pressure is only going to sit

01:02:19.909 --> 01:02:22.329
as a weight on top of our relationship, which

01:02:22.329 --> 01:02:28.230
isn't fair to either of us. Yeah, that's, that's

01:02:28.230 --> 01:02:34.030
such a good point. Yeah. Definitely. Relationship

01:02:34.030 --> 01:02:38.510
first people, relationship first. I'm going to

01:02:38.510 --> 01:02:40.750
have to go on TikTok now. You know, I had to

01:02:40.750 --> 01:02:45.230
ban myself off TikTok because I, I like 300 %

01:02:45.230 --> 01:02:47.550
have an addictive personality. Like the fact

01:02:47.550 --> 01:02:49.789
that I'm not addicted to like drugs or something

01:02:49.789 --> 01:02:55.190
is a miracle because like I have. And I don't

01:02:55.190 --> 01:02:58.130
know, years ago, somebody sent me something on

01:02:58.130 --> 01:03:01.690
TikTok. I downloaded it. Hours later, I'm still

01:03:01.690 --> 01:03:05.269
scrolling. And I'm like, oh my God, this is a

01:03:05.269 --> 01:03:10.429
huge problem. You just set your timer. So I had

01:03:10.429 --> 01:03:15.429
to like ban myself from TikTok. But yeah, if

01:03:15.429 --> 01:03:19.590
you want to find me, my handle is deviouspickles.

01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:24.420
Okay, well, I'm glad you said that because I

01:03:24.420 --> 01:03:27.139
would have never thought to look that up. No,

01:03:27.139 --> 01:03:31.179
it's in our show notes so people can find Arielle

01:03:31.179 --> 01:03:34.699
because she's got great content and it's she

01:03:34.699 --> 01:03:36.960
posts all sorts of good stuff. Oh, well, thank

01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:41.739
you. Yeah. Well, and I love that you're promoting

01:03:41.739 --> 01:03:44.900
the sport, both obedience and rally and especially

01:03:44.900 --> 01:03:49.059
to younger people, because we always need younger

01:03:49.059 --> 01:03:53.670
people in. And, you know, the barrier to entry

01:03:53.670 --> 01:03:55.889
can be hard because the sports can be really

01:03:55.889 --> 01:04:01.369
challenging. So I think that's super valuable.

01:04:01.730 --> 01:04:04.909
So, yeah. So because I have a pulse on the younger

01:04:04.909 --> 01:04:08.769
generations, I just want to kind of put in as

01:04:08.769 --> 01:04:12.550
a plug because I've heard many comments of people

01:04:12.550 --> 01:04:16.010
think that the sport of obedience is dying because

01:04:16.010 --> 01:04:17.889
young people don't want to work hard because

01:04:17.889 --> 01:04:19.809
there are so many more sports to choose from.

01:04:20.409 --> 01:04:24.750
And yes, there's more sports, but I would also

01:04:24.750 --> 01:04:28.929
encourage people to question themselves how accessible

01:04:28.929 --> 01:04:32.349
they're making themselves to younger people who

01:04:32.349 --> 01:04:35.150
might be working professionals or young parents

01:04:35.150 --> 01:04:39.329
with having classes outside of daytime hours.

01:04:39.389 --> 01:04:42.150
Most instructors, you know, local kennel clubs

01:04:42.150 --> 01:04:48.690
are seniors who are, you know, or retirees, people

01:04:48.690 --> 01:04:52.269
who are holding classes during the day, not necessarily

01:04:52.269 --> 01:04:58.309
nighttime classes. And what is your barrier to

01:04:58.309 --> 01:05:04.070
entry for the basic classes? Because when I was

01:05:04.070 --> 01:05:07.789
22 and trying to get into sport classes with

01:05:07.789 --> 01:05:11.010
my first German wirehead pointer, I wanted to

01:05:11.010 --> 01:05:13.510
get into obedience classes, but I was told, given

01:05:13.510 --> 01:05:17.320
your age and her age and breed, Maybe you should

01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:19.559
go and solidify your basics in another basic

01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:24.460
obedience class first. And then, you know, we

01:05:24.460 --> 01:05:27.780
got our CD, you know, a couple months later with

01:05:27.780 --> 01:05:33.739
no help from anyone with a 198 average. So it's

01:05:33.739 --> 01:05:38.619
there. You don't necessarily need to discount

01:05:38.619 --> 01:05:41.699
younger people or younger people with nontraditional

01:05:41.699 --> 01:05:49.329
breeds. This is how. It makes it a very challenging

01:05:49.329 --> 01:05:53.730
uphill battle to even get into the sport when

01:05:53.730 --> 01:05:55.989
there's other sports that are much more readily

01:05:55.989 --> 01:05:58.969
accessible. I would say that accessibility is

01:05:58.969 --> 01:06:02.829
the biggest barrier to entry, not desire to work

01:06:02.829 --> 01:06:11.349
hard. Yeah, I agree. And to a point, welcoming.

01:06:12.670 --> 01:06:16.500
Right. You know, it's really hard when you are

01:06:16.500 --> 01:06:19.159
hanging out with a bunch of people who like I've

01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:21.659
been to classes where I'm the youngest person

01:06:21.659 --> 01:06:24.780
by 30 years and everybody else is their own little

01:06:24.780 --> 01:06:26.679
friend group in this class. And I feel like I'm

01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:29.539
sitting off on my own. That doesn't feel very

01:06:29.539 --> 01:06:33.099
welcoming. Yeah, I would hang out with you. Well,

01:06:33.099 --> 01:06:34.659
thank you. I'd hang out with you too, Pedro.

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Well, that's what happened at the classic. We

01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:44.829
all came over to watch you in novice. right and

01:06:44.829 --> 01:06:47.269
then we all yeah that was great thank you dinner

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and then it was like but yeah i get it yeah like

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people are like i know humans humans god why

01:06:55.590 --> 01:06:59.110
are humans so complicated just like be nice help

01:06:59.110 --> 01:07:01.309
everybody i mean something that i'll say is i

01:07:01.309 --> 01:07:04.150
i remember the faces of the people who stuck

01:07:04.150 --> 01:07:06.769
around to clap for me when i was in novice a

01:07:06.769 --> 01:07:12.929
and those are still people who i feel like they're

01:07:12.929 --> 01:07:15.869
safe people in my obedience community locally

01:07:15.869 --> 01:07:21.650
yeah that's important you need that you need

01:07:21.650 --> 01:07:24.210
the you need that you know you need those people

01:07:24.210 --> 01:07:27.050
for sure yeah the small acts of kindness go a

01:07:27.050 --> 01:07:33.409
long way oh god we won't go there that's all

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yeah so everybody could talk for hours Yeah,

01:07:36.710 --> 01:07:39.949
we're not going down that road. Be nice. We say

01:07:39.949 --> 01:07:43.550
it every time. Be nice. Be nice to the new competitors.

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Be nice to traditional, non -traditional. Be

01:07:48.909 --> 01:07:52.809
nice to everybody. Welcome people in. Help them

01:07:52.809 --> 01:07:58.610
out. Be open -minded. Be creative. Be kind. Just

01:07:58.610 --> 01:08:05.500
be nice. You can do a TikTok on that. yeah i've

01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:09.639
done plenty well this has been awesome ariel

01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:13.760
we really really appreciate you coming on and

01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:16.479
talking to everybody about yeah thanks again

01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:20.140
for having me on yeah your journey has been amazing

01:08:20.140 --> 01:08:24.180
um we'll see you ariel is actually coming up

01:08:24.180 --> 01:08:27.399
to connecticut to train with us in june oh cool

01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:33.430
yay yeah that'll be super fun yeah then Good

01:08:33.430 --> 01:08:37.470
luck at Rally Nationals. And are you doing? I

01:08:37.470 --> 01:08:40.449
am doing the NOC as well. Good. So if you guys

01:08:40.449 --> 01:08:43.350
live stream, go check her out. Check her out

01:08:43.350 --> 01:08:46.029
with her dogs. And she's like, shut up. No pressure.

01:08:47.270 --> 01:08:49.829
You won't even be thinking about it because it'll

01:08:49.829 --> 01:08:53.689
be it's always nice to see happy working dogs

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and to understand like and respect. Look, I know

01:08:57.550 --> 01:09:01.630
how much work it is to train a dog to that level.

01:09:02.890 --> 01:09:06.970
And then to train a non -traditional breed, even

01:09:06.970 --> 01:09:09.750
that much more work. And we should all have an

01:09:09.750 --> 01:09:12.890
enormous amount of respect for anyone and everyone

01:09:12.890 --> 01:09:15.909
that undertakes training their dog and competing

01:09:15.909 --> 01:09:19.550
with their dog. And the happier their dog is,

01:09:19.590 --> 01:09:22.189
the higher level they're working towards. It

01:09:22.189 --> 01:09:25.090
just means this person has put in an enormous

01:09:25.090 --> 01:09:27.869
amount of work. They've been really open -minded.

01:09:27.869 --> 01:09:30.510
They've been flexible. And we should respect

01:09:30.510 --> 01:09:34.550
that. And we should respect that. We should admire

01:09:34.550 --> 01:09:38.430
that. We should encourage that. And we should

01:09:38.430 --> 01:09:43.590
cheer that on. So that's what everybody should

01:09:43.590 --> 01:09:48.829
be doing. Hear, hear. Yep. Awesome. Looking forward

01:09:48.829 --> 01:09:50.770
to seeing you in June. Thank you so much for

01:09:50.770 --> 01:09:53.109
coming on. Thank you, guys. Thanks, everybody.

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Thanks. Bye. Bye. Bye.