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Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Canine Connection

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podcast. So Lori and I showed this weekend, and

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I think you actually showed, actually Lori's

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shown before this as well, I think once, right?

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And so we were going to talk about, we had talked

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in the past about what we were working on with

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Ever and Zesty, where we were. try in each case

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we're working on getting a dog that's more comfortable

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more relaxed in the ring we have separate issues

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for lack of a better word kind of similar but

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not really the same so I figured we would talk

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about them separately so I thought we would start

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with ever because I'm just trying to think what's

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the best. Well, Lori, why don't you just talk

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about it and then I'll throw in my observations.

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The things I saw or thought like randomly. As

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you kind of explain. Stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So. Ever

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and I. have been working a lot together on um

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the thing with ever is that it's her arousal

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state that i'm really working on trying to find

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her her really optimal state mindset of being

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in the ring so what happens with ever she's a

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super sensitive sensitive sensitive dog um that

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and she she just If she thinks she's wrong or

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made a mistake, she looks like she's going to

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die. Right. So she'll, her default. Or if she's

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unsure, if she's worried or unsure, she looks

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that way as well. Like if she's just like, if

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nothing bad happened, sometimes like she'll just

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be like, start getting panicky. Yeah. She'll

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start getting panicky. She worries. She's a total

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thinker. I. On the other hand, I'm not like I'm

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I struggled a lot with that. I'm just giving

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a backstory on like kind of how this all came

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to head. So when she would go in when she was

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looking like that, then I then would go into

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trying to bring her up. Right. Like my. go -to

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was, oh, I need to get her high. I need to get

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her highly aroused so that she can get through

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the exercise or the class, right? So we could

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qualify. What happened was in doing so, like,

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first of all, like that's how I just started

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training her a ton, even in the beginning, because

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I knew she was like that. So everything I trained

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with her, I did it a lot in high arousal, barking,

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leaping, bouncing, running, cookie tosses. Like

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I never really did a proper job at recognizing

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that that's not. how she'll ever be in the ring.

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That's not like trial picture. That's not how

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we're going to, that's not how we're going to

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look or how I'm going to act. Or my training

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was not matching trial picture, nor was she learning

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how to function in. a lower aroused state. Right.

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So let me just jump in. So you created cues,

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right. That you would use in the ring. Like,

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so if she looked flat or nervous or worried,

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then exercise finished, you would use cues that

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you trained to artificially bring her arousal

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up like on cue. On cue. Right. So whatever she

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would do, but then she would. that arousal would

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actually end up looking like anxiety yeah and

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it actually wasn't it was she the thing with

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that was like she would go from being low low

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arousal which is what most people like they were

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like oh my dog looks sad my dog looks you know

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like they're walking to their death sort of thing.

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That's however it would look. Or if I tried to

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bring her up to get her through like on cue,

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then she would go into that kind of frenetic

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high, high arousal and she would bark at me.

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And it wasn't like Petra said, like it wasn't

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like, like a clean bark. She was like anxious,

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you know, like it. So. We weren't operating in

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a great state of arousal, right? That was the

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problem. And what happened was then a lot of

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things just, then there was just some, they just

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created conflict between the two of us because

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I became frustrated because I didn't know. you

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know, I went into sort of like, oh, this dog,

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I don't know what to do. She's either sucky or

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she's too high and barking at me. And then it

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was just, we figured out from talking, you know,

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talking to Petra, talking to some other friends,

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like, and then we just came to the consensus.

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Like I never really trained this dog in the right

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like mindset, like, or even. trained her when

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she got in that low arousal i like she didn't

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even know how to function there so she wasn't

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functioning correctly low she wasn't functioning

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correctly high and we never found the middle

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ever so it created a lot of little issues and

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then um you know i don't want to say like exercises

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got poisoned but it did it like it caused conflict

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in the ring and then those associations to ring

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picture um it just a lot of things crept into

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our work that then we just didn't have you know

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the thing with ever and i know with zesty too

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like these dogs are so highly trained the training

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is in there So even when she would go, like,

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sucky, like, I'm like, oh, my God, like, I'm

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dragging her around the ring. The dog was accurate

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as all hell. Like, you know, the dog could come

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out of the ring with a 199 or whatever. Because

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even when she was sucky, like she'd still hit

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all her fronts, like she'd be accurate as hell.

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So, but that's not what I wanted. Like, that's

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what we always talk about, right? Like, we don't

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want that. I want joy. I want like that gleeful,

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bouncy. free dog in the ring like I felt she

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wasn't free it was just so tight and bound and

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yucky um and then when you were showing her um

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you would in the ring handling wise do different

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things but always where you were like you were

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kind of like trying to get her in a So it's like

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the same thing I was doing with Ceci. Like I

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get in the ring, things would start to happen.

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And I'd be like, we try to, we're trying so hard.

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Right. In the ring. Yeah. All these different

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things to get them like in a better head space.

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But then in a weird way, I think they end up.

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the dog ends up perceiving that as pressure.

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Well, that's the thing. And like with Ever, because

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she's, the dog cares so much about how I feel

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about things and whether she's right or wrong.

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So what would happen was what I would go into,

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like, you know, I would see her start to dip

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and then I would try to manufacture it. to carry

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her. And then she couldn't do it. Like she couldn't

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meet me where I wanted her to be. And then she

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perceived that as error. And that was where I

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think the pressure got layered into the work.

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And then there was just negative ick with a lot

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of things. i think what you just said is so key

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that we really have to highlight this because

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it's true for me as well and i think it's true

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for like so many people is that our dogs struggle

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in the ring and then we're like come on you can

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do it and then what you just said is so key that

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when they can't meet us there they perceive that

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as failure, which makes it even worse for them,

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right? Because most dogs, just the vast majority

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of dogs care about being right. The vast majority,

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right? Like probably 98%, you know, or maybe

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even 99. Then there's Zaina. But like, other

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than that, they really care, right? And so...

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When things aren't going well and we really think

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we're helping then and they can't do that, then

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we're inadvertently making it worse. Yeah. And

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it's really it's really hard. I like I'm I know

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you'll agree, like when you look down and I'm

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sure many people listening this have felt this.

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And you look down at your dog in the ring and

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they're they you know, the ears are back. That's

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the body, you know, reading the body language

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and the dog just looks like it's suffering. We

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instinctively want to fix it. Right. Like we

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want to fix it. So we start. Right. And that's

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that's the hard part. Like that was a big struggle

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to try to overcome that because really. What

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I've learned through this is I need my dog to

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be able to switch, right? Like that's what I

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need her to be able to do. Like on her own, somehow

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I need her to be able to come out of it. So does

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that make sense? Yes. Yes. So what's happening

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is we, right. As handlers or trainers or both.

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And, and this, in this, this aspect, it's this,

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we're the same. So the same thing was happening

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with Zesty in a sense that he wasn't where I

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wanted him to be, where he needed to be. So I

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was trying to manufacture it, right? Like I would

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say, I would give cues that would say, come on,

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raise your arousal, right? Bring yourself up

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into a better state of mind. And all it did was

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put more pressure on him because I was giving

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him more things to do. he and ever needed to

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do is to be able to do that on their own without

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our right interference without us artificially

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trying to manufacture it we need to teach them

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to be able to manipulate it or to put themselves

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where they need to be and keep themselves there

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and adjust themselves up or down to stay there.

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Right. Like with Zaina, when she gets too high,

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I'll look at her in the ring, like, don't do

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it. And then you, she'll do something very, it's

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very clear. It's like, she'll start snapping

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her jaws or she'll do something where she lowers

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her arousal. Yeah. Right. Cause she knows if

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she doesn't lower it, she's going to bark or

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whatever. And she knows that that's not correct.

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Right. Like Um, so I'll cue her, but she does

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it on her own. Right. I just do a quick cue and

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she's like, got it. Yeah. I need to do that.

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But Ever and Zesty were not in control at all.

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Right. Right. Yeah. And so this has been, um,

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what I've been working on in my training. Right.

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So, um, What I didn't do. So what I did get rid

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of is asking her to do like I kind of got rid

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of all those pre cues of bounce and all that

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stuff. So what I did was I sort of just call

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it like doodling. Right. So if I. went in and

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went to go do an exercise with one of my friends,

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one of my training partners and ever looked sucky.

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Like my first instinct there would to be like,

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bounce, what can you do? But I don't like, I

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wanted to create a new path. I wanted to show

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her a new path of how to, for herself to bring

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herself in the right mindset. So What I would

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do is I just used like little things like another

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setup, a with me, a lie down. And I would just

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because I didn't want to make anything look like,

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oh, you're wrong ever. Right. Like I didn't want

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to mark it in any way where she interpreted that

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as, oh, God, she she's wrong because she's in

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the wrong arousal state because she's worried

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or whatever the reason. is causing her to go

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low so I would just reset the setup I would do

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a lie down I would do it with me I would do a

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pivot until she brought it herself and then I

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would just do a different like I would just kind

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of change up my reinforcer how I would do it

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so sometimes I would just feed it quietly sometimes

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I would do a scatter Sometimes I would yip and

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throw a cookie. Sometimes we'd play a game. So

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in doing this, it kind of changed her relationship

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with her arousal state, wherever it was. wherever

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it was so because what she would do was like

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if she got worried or nervous or unsure about

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something and she went low I could see immediately

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she's like oh god I know you don't like me like

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this and it would like just it would just go

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it would fall apart like well because she didn't

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know how to fix it on her own right right so

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in doing this little thing that we came up with

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She was able to, in her mind, fix herself, whether

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it was on the second setup, whether I asked her

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for another front. And all of a sudden she would

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change herself, her arousal state. And then I

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would just reinforce it. And then we would carry

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on. So she never she she just started to never

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feel whatever arousal state she was in. It was

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OK. Like she wasn't. She wasn't in trouble. She

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wasn't bad. She wasn't wrong. And then she started

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to learn to fix it herself without me having

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to do it. So it took a while. We did this for

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a long time and it's like all I did. I wasn't

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even doing exercises. I wasn't even like things,

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you know, things have gotten a little loose because

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of it, but I didn't care at this point. I'm like,

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if I don't fix this. This isn't, you know, I

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need to fix this. So that's another huge point.

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First of all, A, it took a long time, right?

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I think people, you know, believe me, we would

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all love a quick fix, but it just doesn't work

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like that. Like you have to be willing to say,

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all right, I'm going to try this thing and I'm

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going to stick with it for a while. to see if

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it actually works or not. And then if it doesn't

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work, I'll try the next thing. But you have to

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kind of commit to doing that. And you worked

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on that and didn't say like, well, I still need

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to do all the exercises. So on other days, I'm

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going to do the exercises because then if you're

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doing the exercises and her arousal is not in

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the right place, you're counteracting the work

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you're doing. To adjust her arousal. Right. So

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you you're like, I'm just going to focus on this

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thing that the arousal and I'm not going to worry

00:18:33.349 --> 00:18:37.309
about the other stuff until later down the road.

00:18:37.670 --> 00:18:44.069
Right. Which is what we've been doing. So in

00:18:44.069 --> 00:18:48.700
doing so. She's made some terrific progress.

00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:53.079
We're heading in the right direction. I've shown

00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:59.400
her, I showed her, last weekend I showed her

00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:05.339
and I saw really, I mean, it's not perfect. We're

00:19:05.339 --> 00:19:08.720
not there yet, but there's definitely progress.

00:19:09.740 --> 00:19:13.619
You're close. Well, I think you showed even before

00:19:13.619 --> 00:19:17.019
that, and there were glimmers. Yeah, there were

00:19:17.019 --> 00:19:18.559
glimmers. Just to make people really understand

00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:23.819
that it's a process, right? It is. I don't want

00:19:23.819 --> 00:19:27.279
people to think that, like, you did it for two

00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:30.200
weeks, and then you showed her, and now it's

00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.920
almost fixed. Yeah, I know. I want people to

00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:36.410
get a real appreciation for, like, You've been

00:19:36.410 --> 00:19:40.289
working on this a very long time. You went to

00:19:40.289 --> 00:19:44.549
some shows. You saw a glimmer, but there were

00:19:44.549 --> 00:19:48.369
still a lot of issues. We'll just define issues

00:19:48.369 --> 00:19:52.650
as the things we're not happy with, not because

00:19:52.650 --> 00:19:56.750
of score or outcome, because of what we want

00:19:56.750 --> 00:20:00.420
to see in our dogs, right? And then you, but

00:20:00.420 --> 00:20:02.839
you, then you're like, okay, see glimmers. So

00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.640
you spent more time than another show, then a

00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:07.319
little bit better. Do you know what I'm saying?

00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:10.599
I just want to make sure people are clear. Yeah,

00:20:10.700 --> 00:20:14.259
for sure. It does take a long time and, and there's,

00:20:14.259 --> 00:20:19.319
there's been progress. Like, so yeah, so I've

00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:22.160
shown her probably three, this weekend was like

00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:27.119
the third weekend. And I, I purposely entered

00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:32.150
her quite a bit. I put a big, I put a pretty

00:20:32.150 --> 00:20:35.529
good challenge in front of her. I showed her

00:20:35.529 --> 00:20:39.549
one day, I showed her two days in a row at two

00:20:39.549 --> 00:20:44.869
separate venues. So the first day was just a

00:20:44.869 --> 00:20:52.689
one ring trial, one trial, two classes. She,

00:20:52.689 --> 00:20:55.650
um, she showed progress there. It was, it was

00:20:55.650 --> 00:20:58.089
good. You know, she had, there were moments where

00:20:58.089 --> 00:21:03.809
she dipped, but I'm seeing now where, um, when

00:21:03.809 --> 00:21:08.829
she dips, we, I, what I, what I can, what I do

00:21:08.829 --> 00:21:11.769
in my training with her doodling, what would

00:21:11.769 --> 00:21:14.049
I call it? You know, where I might do a little

00:21:14.049 --> 00:21:17.230
setup or I'll do like a little, um, hand cue

00:21:17.230 --> 00:21:20.430
on my side, telling her to sit, things like.

00:21:20.700 --> 00:21:22.859
Things like that I purposely put in my training

00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:26.339
that I could also bring into the ring with me.

00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:31.119
So things that I can do in the ring would be,

00:21:31.180 --> 00:21:33.880
you know, especially because I take notice. If

00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:38.700
I get to directed jumping before the judge is

00:21:38.700 --> 00:21:42.420
ready and I see that she looks a little worried,

00:21:42.660 --> 00:21:46.259
then I'll do a little doodle. You know, I might

00:21:46.259 --> 00:21:49.670
do another setup right there. And I might give

00:21:49.670 --> 00:21:51.609
her a little hand cue. We're going to do sit.

00:21:51.730 --> 00:21:55.250
And that has helped her because we do that in

00:21:55.250 --> 00:21:58.890
training. And then it has helped her bring herself

00:21:58.890 --> 00:22:02.049
up. So those are the things I've been able to

00:22:02.049 --> 00:22:05.309
bring in the ring. And what I'm seeing is now

00:22:05.309 --> 00:22:07.809
that I'm having to do those less and less. I

00:22:07.809 --> 00:22:11.950
still have to do them if I have time. But I am

00:22:11.950 --> 00:22:17.720
seeing her starting glimmers of it where. She

00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:20.920
dips low because she's worried or unsure. And

00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:25.359
I'm seeing her be able to adjust herself and

00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:29.180
bring herself back up, which has been like amazing.

00:22:29.940 --> 00:22:33.559
Like those are the wins. When you do use the

00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:37.680
cue, it's not, she's not seeing it as coercive.

00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.299
Right. And it's not throwing her into over arousal.

00:22:41.299 --> 00:22:44.779
It's like very subtle. It's very like low key.

00:22:45.529 --> 00:22:49.569
And it brings her just into optimal arousal.

00:22:49.569 --> 00:22:53.369
Like it's very like, you know, it's not like

00:22:53.369 --> 00:22:57.829
what we did where we're like, come on, you know,

00:22:57.829 --> 00:22:59.890
bounce, bounce, bounce. Like come up, come up,

00:22:59.910 --> 00:23:02.349
come up. It's just, it's very subtle. It's motion

00:23:02.349 --> 00:23:05.670
based or it's just like a very quick, calm cue

00:23:05.670 --> 00:23:11.130
and not a lot of effort like on your part. Right.

00:23:11.210 --> 00:23:14.769
And she's responding to it and she's not responding

00:23:14.769 --> 00:23:17.630
to it where she's like, oh, God, I got to drag

00:23:17.630 --> 00:23:21.670
myself out or going, OK, then I'll get really

00:23:21.670 --> 00:23:25.970
high. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like, yeah.

00:23:26.150 --> 00:23:30.309
Yeah. Yeah. So that's really a big. improvement

00:23:30.309 --> 00:23:34.349
as well yeah it has been a big improvement so

00:23:34.349 --> 00:23:39.390
those moments that I saw this weekend especially

00:23:39.390 --> 00:23:43.970
because you know I trialed her on one day and

00:23:43.970 --> 00:23:48.769
then we traveled and came to another trial the

00:23:48.769 --> 00:23:52.230
next day which was actually where you were and

00:23:52.230 --> 00:23:57.630
it was two trials going on concurrently So she

00:23:57.630 --> 00:24:01.869
did a total of six classes over the two days,

00:24:01.930 --> 00:24:05.809
which is a lot. Like that's incredibly hard for

00:24:05.809 --> 00:24:10.170
the dogs. So, you know, by, I mean, they're going

00:24:10.170 --> 00:24:13.450
all day. Like, so yesterday, you know, we were

00:24:13.450 --> 00:24:16.170
in the rings and in the afternoon and I could

00:24:16.170 --> 00:24:20.789
see like, I'm tired. We're tired. Like the candlers,

00:24:20.849 --> 00:24:24.829
it's mental, it's fatiguing. And by the time

00:24:24.829 --> 00:24:27.769
I was in my last class with her, Like, you know,

00:24:27.769 --> 00:24:31.509
she's tired. I can see it. Like I I I walked

00:24:31.509 --> 00:24:34.990
I went to cue her for my ring entrance like we

00:24:34.990 --> 00:24:39.589
always do. And she like didn't do it. Like she

00:24:39.589 --> 00:24:42.069
was like, I can't I don't have it in me. And

00:24:42.069 --> 00:24:46.490
every fiber in my being wanted to be like, push

00:24:46.490 --> 00:24:48.849
it ring. Like, you know, like that's where we

00:24:48.849 --> 00:24:52.630
want to go. And I was like, no, no, no. I'm going

00:24:52.630 --> 00:24:56.430
to meet her right now where she is. and not do

00:24:56.430 --> 00:25:00.470
that to her and it was really hard because we're

00:25:00.470 --> 00:25:03.450
walking through the ring entrance like that's

00:25:03.450 --> 00:25:07.210
not how I want it to look but I knew like I can't

00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:11.450
go there I can't do that like and if she's dragging

00:25:11.450 --> 00:25:14.069
herself to the point where like it wasn't going

00:25:14.069 --> 00:25:16.529
to be go in the right direction I would have

00:25:16.529 --> 00:25:20.930
excused ourselves so um but what was nice was

00:25:20.930 --> 00:25:25.000
I just I just said in my head I like looked at

00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:28.019
her and I said in my head, I know, buddy, you're

00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:30.519
tired. It's all right. We're just going to go

00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:33.700
to the first exercise. I took, like, I just made

00:25:33.700 --> 00:25:37.160
sure I put no pressure on her. And I went and

00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:39.440
set up for the first exercise, which was the

00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:43.359
broad jump. Oh, God. Like, it's like, God, the

00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:48.299
worst one for us. And I set her up and I just

00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:51.180
did my pre -cue as I normally do. And her ears

00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:54.380
came up and I sent her and she nailed it. And

00:25:54.380 --> 00:25:57.180
like, she brought it on her own. And I was like,

00:25:57.220 --> 00:26:00.740
that was just worth everything to me. I could

00:26:00.740 --> 00:26:02.779
have just left and been happy with that. And

00:26:02.779 --> 00:26:05.180
throughout the class, like she brought it, like

00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:10.660
she was amazing. So yeah. Did she dip low? Yes.

00:26:10.779 --> 00:26:18.500
Was she tired? Yes. But I. Really, really. Controlled

00:26:18.500 --> 00:26:22.460
myself because I needed I needed to not put any

00:26:22.460 --> 00:26:26.220
I need to not layer anything on her. I needed

00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:29.960
to let her try to bring it on her own. And she

00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.119
did multiple times on her own throughout the

00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:35.380
weekend, which I was absolutely thrilled with.

00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:40.819
So what? So you also changed your handling because

00:26:40.819 --> 00:26:46.420
like I couldn't. Like what? Because I was showing

00:26:46.420 --> 00:26:52.079
two dogs and two trials and on and on and was

00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:53.960
in and out of the ring like eight thousand times.

00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:58.980
I couldn't like actually watch watch. But I know

00:26:58.980 --> 00:27:02.299
at one point I was with one of my dogs probably

00:27:02.299 --> 00:27:04.819
waiting to go, you know, waiting to go in and

00:27:04.819 --> 00:27:09.920
a few dogs or something. And you I I heard you

00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:15.940
in the ring. And I was like, oh, you that was

00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:20.880
the first time I heard you in the ring where

00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.599
you sounded exactly like you sound in training

00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:30.339
training. Yeah, like exactly. And I I was like,

00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.619
oh, that's really good. It was it was so clear

00:27:34.619 --> 00:27:36.960
to me in that moment. So like, you know, I must

00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.440
have heard you in other trials. over the year

00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.700
you know in other situations and like I don't

00:27:43.700 --> 00:27:46.200
even think it's a conscious thing like subconsciously

00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:50.599
like I probably know like certain handlers just

00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:54.480
because right like how they sound or whatever

00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:59.240
um so I think that's really really important

00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:05.099
too because I so there were a couple so you sounded

00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:11.019
very different and um and then your student right

00:28:11.019 --> 00:28:20.740
with the Joan Joan with the terrier like um so

00:28:20.740 --> 00:28:24.900
she was so this is is she is it open a right

00:28:24.900 --> 00:28:29.640
yeah open a yeah open a with a terrier okay and

00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.000
so she was like I was talking to her and I don't

00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.279
know she was I forget exactly what we were talking

00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:39.940
about her being nervous or so. And then she said

00:28:39.940 --> 00:28:43.480
something to me like, yeah, you know, like, um,

00:28:43.700 --> 00:28:48.539
I, I have a lesson with Lori and she goes, okay,

00:28:48.619 --> 00:28:51.619
like do like a little run through or partial

00:28:51.619 --> 00:28:53.980
run through. And then she tells me like, what

00:28:53.980 --> 00:28:56.440
do you think? And she's like, well, I think I

00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.799
did. Okay. And she's like, you. We're nothing

00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:03.160
like you are in training. I said, well, that

00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.839
should be your goal right there. I said, your

00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.740
only goal. I said, when you go in that ring today

00:29:09.740 --> 00:29:13.940
should be don't worry about your dog because,

00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.779
you know, everybody gets nervous and then they're

00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:17.880
like, I don't know if I should even show. I don't

00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.500
know what my dog's going to do. I don't know

00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:22.319
this. I said to her, only focus on one thing.

00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.420
Do the same thing in the ring as you do in training.

00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:33.660
yeah right um and she did i think she did that

00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:35.599
as a matter of fact she even helped she even

00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:38.859
helped a dog she even did a couple like extra

00:29:38.859 --> 00:29:41.920
cues which she knowingly consciously did on purpose

00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:46.440
it wasn't it didn't disqualify her but and like

00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.420
i felt like she worked her transitions really

00:29:49.420 --> 00:29:54.380
hard yeah and she like really she held it together

00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:57.859
there was some amazing stuff that happened where

00:29:57.859 --> 00:30:00.440
i was like first of all i can't even watch like

00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.119
it's the most stressful thing oh my god because

00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.059
she's so lovely and she has worked so hard with

00:30:07.059 --> 00:30:10.880
this dog so hard and i i can see it and she's

00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.910
tried so hard she tries so hard And she did such

00:30:14.910 --> 00:30:18.009
a beautiful job handling the dog. It made a little

00:30:18.009 --> 00:30:20.410
mistake. She didn't panic. And the dog went,

00:30:20.490 --> 00:30:22.930
oh, I remember what to do. Cause she totally

00:30:22.930 --> 00:30:27.509
held it together. Yeah. A bunch of times and

00:30:27.509 --> 00:30:33.009
they qualified and it was super cute class. Yeah.

00:30:33.109 --> 00:30:36.950
And again, though, the theme there was, which,

00:30:36.950 --> 00:30:42.130
you know, is so challenging, but it's like. to

00:30:42.130 --> 00:30:46.069
be the same in the ring as in training yeah and

00:30:46.069 --> 00:30:50.869
that's hard and it's especially hard to hold

00:30:50.869 --> 00:30:58.390
that when your dog so you're like handling the

00:30:58.390 --> 00:31:03.710
way you want your dog struggles you panic you

00:31:03.710 --> 00:31:08.069
change that actually probably makes it worse

00:31:08.069 --> 00:31:11.009
for the dog and then down a rabbit hole we go

00:31:11.009 --> 00:31:15.109
right whereas when the dog struggles which is

00:31:15.109 --> 00:31:18.049
exactly what you described she started to struggle

00:31:18.049 --> 00:31:22.990
you were tempted like we all are you didn't though

00:31:22.990 --> 00:31:27.289
go down the rabbit hole you were like I'm just

00:31:27.289 --> 00:31:30.470
sticking to the plan like the plan is I don't

00:31:30.470 --> 00:31:32.970
do these things right this is not what I do in

00:31:32.970 --> 00:31:37.480
training And then the dog does know what to do

00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:40.500
because it's like, oh, wait, I know what to do

00:31:40.500 --> 00:31:44.359
in this situation because I recognize this because

00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:48.000
I see this in training and therefore I know what

00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:55.519
to do. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah. And

00:31:55.519 --> 00:32:01.140
it is like this. I am telling people this right,

00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:04.619
left and center all the time now. Like it is,

00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:09.759
it is the hardest thing. It's the hardest thing

00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:16.019
to like, A, to be the same person in training

00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:18.420
as you are in trialing. Like that's one of the

00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:21.960
biggest pieces of the puzzle that I think is

00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.559
missing a lot of times or isn't quite looked

00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:32.019
at closely enough. And the urge to just. go down

00:32:32.019 --> 00:32:34.279
those rabbit holes, like I get, you know, to

00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.619
get in your head about it because, and that's

00:32:37.619 --> 00:32:40.000
all I did this weekend. Like, you know, right

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.220
now, everything I'm doing with my, with my shows

00:32:43.220 --> 00:32:47.019
is in preparation for the NOC, you know, and

00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:50.200
I'm not even like my goals for the NOC aren't

00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.099
even like, oh, I want a place I want to win.

00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:58.099
I want to be able to get through with ever where

00:33:00.269 --> 00:33:05.349
Like we just have optimal working happiness in

00:33:05.349 --> 00:33:07.450
the ring together. I don't care if she fails

00:33:07.450 --> 00:33:09.970
something because she fails something, but I

00:33:09.970 --> 00:33:13.509
just want that where we can work in a really

00:33:13.509 --> 00:33:17.390
nice, she's in a nice arousal state that if things

00:33:17.390 --> 00:33:22.990
get hard, she knows how to bring herself back

00:33:22.990 --> 00:33:26.609
up, you know, to get through those moments without

00:33:26.609 --> 00:33:32.079
me having to apply. pressure by trying to manufacture

00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.140
in the moment because that's what we do we panic

00:33:35.140 --> 00:33:38.160
and we're like oh god oh god the dog looks like

00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.460
crap like and then i think that's you know like

00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:43.640
we talked about it just inadvertently layers

00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:48.660
on that pressure but um that's yeah that's where

00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:51.880
i'm at yeah and i think that's what was happening

00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:56.970
with zesty yeah like so um I don't know. I think

00:33:56.970 --> 00:33:58.789
it was, well, I don't even know how many months

00:33:58.789 --> 00:34:01.950
ago, but I think it was this same trial site.

00:34:02.150 --> 00:34:05.650
Right. Yeah. Where, um, like you and Deb were

00:34:05.650 --> 00:34:08.550
just like, yeah, he looks like you're putting

00:34:08.550 --> 00:34:10.510
so much pressure on him. And I'm like, oh my

00:34:10.510 --> 00:34:13.530
God, I'm not putting any. And then Deb said something

00:34:13.530 --> 00:34:16.050
like, well, can he offer, like, will he offer

00:34:16.050 --> 00:34:19.429
things? And I'm, you know, I forget exactly how

00:34:19.429 --> 00:34:22.610
she worded it. So I'm like, I don't think so.

00:34:22.710 --> 00:34:28.739
So long story. So. Oh, this is fun. But it's

00:34:28.739 --> 00:34:32.860
kind of interesting because. I don't know, maybe

00:34:32.860 --> 00:34:35.679
the universe just does these things or maybe

00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.639
because a bunch of students started doing anyway.

00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:41.920
All right. I'm getting ahead of myself. So start

00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:46.139
started by in my garage where we train all the

00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:51.380
time. Put a toy on the floor, put a bag of food

00:34:51.380 --> 00:34:55.960
sealed. It's a Labrador on the floor. and just

00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.800
brought him in there he was free and I just walked

00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.340
around and waited for him to initiate something

00:35:01.340 --> 00:35:04.119
and he just stood there with his head hanging

00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.280
down and I walked around and I walked around

00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.300
and I walked around and I didn't give him any

00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:11.539
cues and I didn't stare at him and I didn't go

00:35:11.539 --> 00:35:15.860
I just walked in a circle and walked in a circle

00:35:15.860 --> 00:35:21.920
and like talked to myself about like really inane

00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.219
wacky things because i didn't because i can feel

00:35:25.219 --> 00:35:27.940
on myself like this feeling like i need to do

00:35:27.940 --> 00:35:30.539
something i want to do something and i feel like

00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:32.519
that's going to be perceived as pressure because

00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.900
dogs can read our bodies because that's how they

00:35:35.900 --> 00:35:39.139
communicate right they read each other they read

00:35:39.139 --> 00:35:42.000
tiny subtle body language off each other and

00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.500
that's what they're reading off us so right walk

00:35:44.500 --> 00:35:46.599
in a circle walk in a circle walk in a circle

00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:52.949
forever in a day Until finally, after like an

00:35:52.949 --> 00:35:57.809
inordinately long amount of time, I didn't time

00:35:57.809 --> 00:36:00.650
it, but I want to say probably 15 minutes, maybe

00:36:00.650 --> 00:36:03.909
more, maybe a little less. I don't know. Forever

00:36:03.909 --> 00:36:09.829
and a day. He finally. Gently picked up the toy

00:36:09.829 --> 00:36:12.989
and kind of walked over to me and looked at me

00:36:12.989 --> 00:36:19.510
like toy. And I just had a party with him. And

00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:23.670
we were done. So during this time period, it's

00:36:23.670 --> 00:36:26.489
been several months. I didn't really, I didn't

00:36:26.489 --> 00:36:29.650
train him formally. Like I didn't do kind of

00:36:29.650 --> 00:36:31.809
like you said, like you were doing. I didn't

00:36:31.809 --> 00:36:35.369
do the exercises. I was just working on this

00:36:35.369 --> 00:36:39.550
thing. And we were done. And then the next day

00:36:39.550 --> 00:36:44.769
again. And then this time, you know, probably

00:36:44.769 --> 00:36:49.610
went a little bit quicker. when I was tugging

00:36:49.610 --> 00:36:51.929
with him and I noticed it was very interesting

00:36:51.929 --> 00:36:55.829
like his tugging was way it was free so even

00:36:55.829 --> 00:36:59.610
in the past whenever I tugged with him I sometimes

00:36:59.610 --> 00:37:02.010
would have to like tease him with the toy and

00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:06.710
get it and go come on dude right so even there

00:37:06.710 --> 00:37:09.769
it was like coercive right like I had to be like

00:37:09.769 --> 00:37:13.730
come on now he it was his idea so his tugging

00:37:13.730 --> 00:37:16.150
was very different it had a very different feel

00:37:16.150 --> 00:37:20.829
to it So again, waited, waited. He initiated.

00:37:21.010 --> 00:37:26.210
We tugged. Done. So then over time, he initiated

00:37:26.210 --> 00:37:29.869
more and more quickly. Then he initiated very

00:37:29.869 --> 00:37:32.590
quickly. We tugged. I outed. I threw the toy

00:37:32.590 --> 00:37:35.570
on the ground and started walking and let him

00:37:35.570 --> 00:37:40.440
initiate several times. And then once he was

00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.920
doing that consistently, then I'd layered in

00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.860
just a little bit, right? So I was very careful

00:37:46.860 --> 00:37:50.760
not to immediately get greedy and start throwing

00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.079
in like full behaviors or full things. So I would

00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:59.659
do like tug, tug, tug, out, down, sit, stand,

00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.320
play, out, drop the toy. I walk around and wait

00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.500
for him to initiate. So we do that maybe two

00:38:06.500 --> 00:38:11.159
or three times. done then when that was going

00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:14.699
well I started to so basically then when I went

00:38:14.699 --> 00:38:17.760
to a new location I had to start over from scratch

00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.320
right so if I went to the Walmart where I train

00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:25.500
all the time I had to I back to walking around

00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:29.400
for like god knows how long till he initiated

00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:33.159
because he in his mind like in all these scenarios

00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:38.659
I initiate I tell him what to do And I'm sure

00:38:38.659 --> 00:38:41.539
he was a little reluctant to start working because

00:38:41.539 --> 00:38:44.519
he was like, well, in his mind, there was always

00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:48.119
probably pressure, coercion, whatever. I'm not

00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:52.619
a dog, whatever. So I had to just be incredibly

00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:56.920
patient. I also started to realize, I think,

00:38:56.940 --> 00:39:00.099
over time and over a bunch of my students now

00:39:00.099 --> 00:39:05.980
wanting to try this, that. A lot of times we're

00:39:05.980 --> 00:39:10.699
not acclimating the dogs long enough. So we go

00:39:10.699 --> 00:39:13.719
somewhere, we walk them around. Like I am very

00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.960
good about doing acclimation, but then I say

00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:21.300
to the dog, okay, let's work. Now that I'm waiting

00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:26.000
for him to initiate, even when now he's initiating

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:30.010
way more quickly and very happily. But there's

00:39:30.010 --> 00:39:34.670
still this latency period. And I do believe that

00:39:34.670 --> 00:39:39.329
we're underestimating the length of time it takes

00:39:39.329 --> 00:39:42.250
them to acclimate. I'm seeing that with a lot

00:39:42.250 --> 00:39:45.550
of my students where they're like, oh, yeah,

00:39:45.650 --> 00:39:49.630
it's longer. But then when I get the dog, I have

00:39:49.630 --> 00:39:54.539
all of the dog. Right. So that's a piece that's

00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:56.260
been really interesting. And I've been working

00:39:56.260 --> 00:39:58.400
on with a lot of my students because I'm like,

00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.139
I don't think we give them enough time. So in

00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:05.559
any event, he chooses and then he starts the

00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.860
game. Then what I did. So then when I went to

00:40:09.860 --> 00:40:12.539
the training, my friend's training building where

00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:15.239
I go every week, train with a couple training

00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.719
partners every week. It was super interesting

00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:19.960
because like he wouldn't he couldn't offer there

00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:24.820
at all. 15 minutes. And like my, I'd say to my

00:40:24.820 --> 00:40:27.280
partner, all right, like skip my turn. You go.

00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.860
And I, and he's finally, I put him away, took

00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:33.940
Zaina out, circled back around, took him out.

00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.840
Finally, he could offer. I played done. Right.

00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:41.440
And it took week after week till he could give

00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:44.340
me more and more and more. Yeah. And in doing

00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:48.269
so like this, like just. Just to interrupt for

00:40:48.269 --> 00:40:53.309
a second, like, this process is, it's hard. Like,

00:40:53.309 --> 00:40:57.730
it's hard to watch this, you know, to see, because

00:40:57.730 --> 00:41:02.989
we also, like, you have that emotional piece

00:41:02.989 --> 00:41:05.489
in there, too. Like, oh, my God, the dog doesn't

00:41:05.489 --> 00:41:07.730
want to do anything with me. Oh, my God, blah,

00:41:07.769 --> 00:41:13.789
blah, blah. So it is incredibly hard. I just

00:41:13.789 --> 00:41:16.349
want people to know that like, and the patience

00:41:16.349 --> 00:41:19.929
and just to stay neutral about the whole thing

00:41:19.929 --> 00:41:23.809
and just to wait. Like it is, it is a really

00:41:23.809 --> 00:41:27.570
difficult thing to do. So hard. I give so many

00:41:27.570 --> 00:41:29.750
of my students so much credit. I think I haven't

00:41:29.750 --> 00:41:32.829
taught this in the past as part of offering because

00:41:32.829 --> 00:41:35.730
I didn't think they would. And I see them now,

00:41:35.789 --> 00:41:38.849
like, and I see initially they'll like do these

00:41:38.849 --> 00:41:43.030
little things like. that they're not even aware

00:41:43.030 --> 00:41:47.030
of and I'm like okay so next time don't put your

00:41:47.030 --> 00:41:50.150
hand in heel position or don't look at your dog

00:41:50.150 --> 00:41:52.489
or don't and they're like oh I did that didn't

00:41:52.489 --> 00:41:57.070
I'm like yeah because doing nothing right is

00:41:57.070 --> 00:42:02.110
so hard and like you're just walking in a circle

00:42:02.110 --> 00:42:05.010
walking in a circle feeling like an idiot and

00:42:05.010 --> 00:42:07.809
you're like what is even happening here and then

00:42:07.809 --> 00:42:12.489
like you know Like my favorite was when I'm in

00:42:12.489 --> 00:42:17.889
the Walmart parking lot. And then I'm like, I

00:42:17.889 --> 00:42:21.329
had, I had gotten to a further stage of this,

00:42:21.389 --> 00:42:24.170
but long story short, like, so now we're in a

00:42:24.170 --> 00:42:28.369
Mexican standoff because I can't move until he

00:42:28.369 --> 00:42:31.329
offers. And he's just looking at me and I'm just

00:42:31.329 --> 00:42:36.239
looking at him. And I'm like, you know, now there's

00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.980
people walking by and the dog's looking at me.

00:42:39.019 --> 00:42:41.059
I'm not looking at the dog. We're like, he's

00:42:41.059 --> 00:42:43.840
like 30 feet away from me and nothing's happening.

00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.840
Now you start feeling this weird pressure. Like

00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:48.719
people are like, what the fuck are you doing?

00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.800
Right. And nothing's happening. And the clock's

00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.059
ticking, tick, tock, tick, tock. And you're,

00:42:55.059 --> 00:43:00.329
you know, I am not. A sit around and I'm like

00:43:00.329 --> 00:43:03.309
on the go in my head. I have to stop myself from

00:43:03.309 --> 00:43:05.829
thinking about all the things I have to do. So

00:43:05.829 --> 00:43:08.190
I just sit there and go, oh, there's birds in

00:43:08.190 --> 00:43:11.550
the sky. Like I say these inane things to myself

00:43:11.550 --> 00:43:17.929
so that like nothing is projected. Right. And

00:43:17.929 --> 00:43:21.469
I can't like smile at him or do anything with

00:43:21.469 --> 00:43:24.030
my face because that's a cue. It's coercive.

00:43:24.030 --> 00:43:25.909
Right. It's like I'm trying to get you to do

00:43:25.909 --> 00:43:31.300
something. So, um, until he finally offered then

00:43:31.300 --> 00:43:36.420
yes, huge party and whatever, but yeah, so that

00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:39.420
do nothing thing is so hard. And then when you're

00:43:39.420 --> 00:43:43.039
around other people, it's like, thank God, like,

00:43:43.139 --> 00:43:45.219
you know, I have good training partners, right?

00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:48.320
Because like, it's my turn and they're standing

00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.460
and the three of us are standing around while

00:43:50.460 --> 00:43:53.500
zest is just like wandering aimlessly. That's

00:43:53.500 --> 00:43:59.449
like my turn. waiting for him to offer. Right.

00:43:59.590 --> 00:44:02.429
And then I'm getting like frustrated and they're

00:44:02.429 --> 00:44:05.110
like, just wait them out. You know? So like,

00:44:05.110 --> 00:44:08.650
it helps to have like, and you know, the whole

00:44:08.650 --> 00:44:10.610
time I'm questioning myself, I'm like, I don't

00:44:10.610 --> 00:44:12.730
even know what am I even doing here? Like, cause

00:44:12.730 --> 00:44:16.150
I'm making, I'm like kind of making this up on

00:44:16.150 --> 00:44:18.690
the fly. Like, I don't even know where this is

00:44:18.690 --> 00:44:22.320
going, but anyway. I would see these glimmers

00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.320
and I'm like, I think this is heading in the

00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.019
right direction. So then he started to offer

00:44:27.019 --> 00:44:30.619
more regulars. So then I said, okay, now I'm

00:44:30.619 --> 00:44:34.940
not gonna start anything unless he initiates

00:44:34.940 --> 00:44:37.500
it. So for example, if he's in heel position

00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:40.199
and I'm gonna heel, I'll just say once really

00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:44.519
quickly. And I even stopped using words as much

00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.900
as possible. I would just do a quick pre -cue

00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:48.900
like that we're heeling and then I would do nothing.

00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:52.380
And if he just offered a little some like energy

00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:57.179
rise, I would heal a couple of steps. Yes. So

00:44:57.179 --> 00:45:02.699
he would push me to start the behavior to get

00:45:02.699 --> 00:45:05.280
to the reinforcer. So I would set him up for

00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.579
a pivot. I'd cue. We were doing a pivot just

00:45:07.579 --> 00:45:10.500
once real quick. That's it. Wait for him to do

00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:13.119
something, a little something, anything. Then

00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:16.079
I would start. Then I would do the pivot. Yes.

00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:20.199
Big party. So then he has to like push everything.

00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:24.539
And I would just do those little pieces. Then

00:45:24.539 --> 00:45:27.340
I would also do it where I turn and face him.

00:45:28.019 --> 00:45:32.219
So like signals, command discrimination, drop

00:45:32.219 --> 00:45:36.099
on recall. I turn and face him and I don't do

00:45:36.099 --> 00:45:38.400
anything unless he offers a little something.

00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:42.199
As soon as he does, I would go, yes. And then

00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:46.130
eventually now he offers. Then I would start

00:45:46.130 --> 00:45:50.809
the exercise, then yes, and so on. And so then

00:45:50.809 --> 00:45:54.769
I had to do that, you know, then obviously once

00:45:54.769 --> 00:45:58.170
he mastered that at home, then in the training

00:45:58.170 --> 00:46:04.090
building, then at stores, then, you know, at

00:46:04.090 --> 00:46:08.010
a match, right? Because each scenario is different

00:46:08.010 --> 00:46:10.269
and each scenario is a little bit harder for

00:46:10.269 --> 00:46:12.369
him. And each scenario, you kind of have to go

00:46:12.369 --> 00:46:17.400
back to prior steps. so right I felt he's been

00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.559
coming along great like he's been able to do

00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:25.260
some like chains I also threw in a little similar

00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:27.360
to what you were doing like I use motion like

00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:31.260
he likes motion yeah so like a lot of motion

00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:35.139
games because the other thing with him is he's

00:46:35.139 --> 00:46:40.210
a he's insecure so when I'm in the ring And he's

00:46:40.210 --> 00:46:43.590
not sure if he's right. He starts looking for

00:46:43.590 --> 00:46:46.269
the reinforcer. Not because he doesn't want to

00:46:46.269 --> 00:46:48.570
work without the reinforcer. Because the reinforcer

00:46:48.570 --> 00:46:51.429
is information that tells him he's right. And

00:46:51.429 --> 00:46:54.809
if I would praise him, it wasn't powerful enough

00:46:54.809 --> 00:46:59.050
for him. So I started to use motion games, which

00:46:59.050 --> 00:47:01.670
he loved. So I created all these different motion

00:47:01.670 --> 00:47:05.590
games. And then I would insert them between.

00:47:06.460 --> 00:47:09.519
the marker and the reinforcer. So it'd be mark,

00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.960
game, game, game, then reinforce. And then eventually

00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.800
I was able to do mark, game, do a little more

00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.300
work, then reinforce. So now I had something

00:47:24.300 --> 00:47:28.940
to use to say in the ring, yeah, you're right.

00:47:29.099 --> 00:47:32.900
And he didn't need the actual like food for that,

00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.219
right? Right. So that was working and training.

00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:41.199
It worked really well in the match. The last

00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:44.239
trial I was entered in, I didn't go because I

00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:48.659
lost seal. So this was the first trial. So totally

00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:51.940
changed my goals. It was two trials a day for

00:47:51.940 --> 00:47:54.739
two days in a row. So basically eight runs, right?

00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.739
Original goal was NOC prep, right? They have

00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:01.300
to work on building up their mental stamina.

00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:05.059
So you could see where your holds are, but that

00:48:05.059 --> 00:48:07.119
all went out the window. And I was like, okay,

00:48:07.179 --> 00:48:10.920
I need to just see where we're at. Yeah. Basically

00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:14.280
use it like a huge, the most expensive match

00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:19.179
ever because, you know, hotel out of state the

00:48:19.179 --> 00:48:26.579
whole night. So the mistake I made was I, you

00:48:26.579 --> 00:48:33.230
know, went in. To this environment. And because

00:48:33.230 --> 00:48:35.989
he had done so well. In training and in the match.

00:48:36.309 --> 00:48:38.989
And I just put in the first two runs. Put everything

00:48:38.989 --> 00:48:43.710
on him. Like go ahead and offer. And it was beyond

00:48:43.710 --> 00:48:48.110
horrible. It was so bad. It was worse than any

00:48:48.110 --> 00:48:52.869
run. We've ever had. Like so bad. Like I had

00:48:52.869 --> 00:48:56.489
gone backwards. A thousand folds. To like it

00:48:56.489 --> 00:48:59.659
had never been so bad. The first two runs. And

00:48:59.659 --> 00:49:03.539
I was so demoralized. And I was like, you know

00:49:03.539 --> 00:49:06.900
what? If he hates it this much, I'm not even

00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:10.420
going to do, like, I'm out. Like, I do not want

00:49:10.420 --> 00:49:14.139
this miserable animal. Like, we'll just do other

00:49:14.139 --> 00:49:17.300
things. And I was just so disappointed. I put

00:49:17.300 --> 00:49:19.739
in so much work for so many months. And I was

00:49:19.739 --> 00:49:21.780
like, I don't even understand what just happened.

00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:26.739
Thank God Deb was there. She's like, how did

00:49:26.739 --> 00:49:29.519
it go? I would, it must've been like close to

00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:33.239
tears. I was like, he was so unhappy. It was

00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:35.820
terrible. She, so she thought, and she's like,

00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:38.739
well, it was just too much. Like I couldn't ask

00:49:38.739 --> 00:49:42.480
him to do all that in this, in this environment.

00:49:43.500 --> 00:49:47.860
Right. Like he needed a little help and we needed

00:49:47.860 --> 00:49:53.219
to do. So I did, I just needed to help him. I

00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:57.940
did a few intermediate things because I had a

00:49:57.940 --> 00:50:01.539
long time till the next runs. Like, so I simplified

00:50:01.539 --> 00:50:05.219
things. So there was an empty ring, which wasn't,

00:50:05.219 --> 00:50:09.500
which whatever I could go. It wasn't even a ring

00:50:09.500 --> 00:50:12.199
really, but in his mind it was equal to a ring.

00:50:12.460 --> 00:50:15.539
So I was able to like do some easy little things

00:50:15.539 --> 00:50:18.280
and then reward him and build him back up and

00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:23.079
make it easier. And then. We I adjusted my handling

00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:26.199
where I helped him a little bit. And I said,

00:50:26.219 --> 00:50:28.880
OK, I'm going to go in the next two rings. And

00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.960
if he gives me anything good. Then I'm just going

00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:37.300
to go. Wait, did I do that the first day or the

00:50:37.300 --> 00:50:39.360
second? Yeah, I think I did the first. Am I going

00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:42.480
to do that? And I'm going to run out of I'm not

00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:43.820
going to run out of the ring. I'm going to say,

00:50:43.900 --> 00:50:47.820
please excuse me. And I'm going to leave the

00:50:47.820 --> 00:50:50.849
ring. and reinforce him right someone will run

00:50:50.849 --> 00:50:53.050
out of the ring and go well paitra said she just

00:50:53.050 --> 00:50:58.829
ran out of the ring so and i so i just helped

00:50:58.829 --> 00:51:04.050
him just a little bit i got like several good

00:51:04.050 --> 00:51:08.210
exercises in the row and then my stomach just

00:51:08.210 --> 00:51:11.230
told me if i went any further he was gonna go

00:51:11.230 --> 00:51:16.170
flat so even though and talk about hard so just

00:51:16.170 --> 00:51:21.679
back up so Explain, like, so you did this because

00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:25.239
you needed to build his confidence back up, right?

00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:28.019
Well, so I ruined his confidence in the first

00:51:28.019 --> 00:51:30.920
two because I didn't give him any cues at all

00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.719
because that's what I did in training. And then

00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:37.599
I think he was just so confused because in that

00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:41.820
setting, look, the dog's shown enough. Right,

00:51:41.940 --> 00:51:45.730
and then his mind flips back to, oh, God. Oh

00:51:45.730 --> 00:51:48.469
God. And then I didn't give him any help at all.

00:51:48.570 --> 00:51:52.469
And he didn't, he's not there enough to like,

00:51:52.510 --> 00:51:55.429
he didn't know the answer. He couldn't find the

00:51:55.429 --> 00:51:58.849
answer. So what I did was in the break, I said,

00:51:58.869 --> 00:52:02.800
remember buddy, the answer is you offer. and

00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.059
then you get some of your jackpot. Okay. Let's

00:52:05.059 --> 00:52:07.460
try again. Remember you offer. Yeah. And then

00:52:07.460 --> 00:52:09.199
you get somebody to remember you offer. And then

00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.039
you get to, and he's like, Oh yeah, I remember

00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:13.659
I offer. I said, yeah. And then I said, okay,

00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:16.320
now there's a thing. It kind of looked like a

00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:19.320
ring entrance. I said, so I did like a ring entrance

00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:21.619
into there, do one or two things. He offered,

00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.280
he looked at me and I'm like, yes. And he's like,

00:52:24.380 --> 00:52:27.659
Oh, I get it in this setting. I'm supposed to

00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:30.519
do that offering thing. I'm like, yeah. Right.

00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.579
So we went in the ring. I just gave him little

00:52:32.579 --> 00:52:35.579
cues instead of no cues, but very small cues.

00:52:35.739 --> 00:52:40.860
Right. And and then I did my things in between

00:52:40.860 --> 00:52:43.079
exercises and when he couldn't, you know, like

00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:47.039
my motion games, but he didn't really fully respond

00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.500
to them. But I didn't harass him about it. I

00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:51.059
was just like, all right, we'll just keep going.

00:52:51.380 --> 00:52:54.599
Yeah. Right. And he gave me some good work. And

00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.039
then I was like, oh, I think I might lose him.

00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:02.239
now he had qualified more than qualified he was

00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:05.280
doing nice classes but I was like I don't care

00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:09.139
it's not worth the risk right so I said may please

00:53:09.139 --> 00:53:14.260
be excused and grabbed my leash and jackpotted

00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:18.380
the living wow the twist spin you know and he

00:53:18.380 --> 00:53:22.679
was like holy shit like yep he didn't know that

00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:26.690
could happen Right. And now I reinforced him

00:53:26.690 --> 00:53:28.909
and I did the same thing again in the next string.

00:53:29.389 --> 00:53:32.289
Went in. He was a little bit better, but I got

00:53:32.289 --> 00:53:34.150
to a certain point. And then all of a sudden

00:53:34.150 --> 00:53:36.530
I had this feeling. I'm like, I think I literally

00:53:36.530 --> 00:53:38.789
might have only had one exercise left. But anyway,

00:53:38.889 --> 00:53:42.030
I just was like, I don't know, man, if I go further,

00:53:42.150 --> 00:53:46.409
I might lose him. And I just said, may I be excused?

00:53:46.630 --> 00:53:50.409
She's like, sure. Luckily, these are great judges.

00:53:50.449 --> 00:53:53.900
They're competitors. Yeah. And even the one judge,

00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:55.900
even though she didn't know why I left the ring,

00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:58.019
she just said, get her the leash and let her

00:53:58.019 --> 00:54:00.820
go. Cause she asked me later, what can I ask

00:54:00.820 --> 00:54:03.840
you? I'm curious. Why did you ask to be excused?

00:54:04.139 --> 00:54:09.760
You know? Yeah. And, um, those two classes were

00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.219
worth their weight in gold because he was like,

00:54:12.300 --> 00:54:15.420
it reinforced that he was doing the right thing.

00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:19.380
I didn't push him past the point where it went

00:54:19.380 --> 00:54:24.750
downhill. Um, And then he was, yeah, it just

00:54:24.750 --> 00:54:28.590
really helped him tremendously. And it helped

00:54:28.590 --> 00:54:35.610
me because I got some good work. And then Deb,

00:54:36.409 --> 00:54:39.190
she even said she said she was able to make a

00:54:39.190 --> 00:54:41.530
few observations, like lower my energy a little

00:54:41.530 --> 00:54:45.409
bit more, slow down a little bit, you know, take

00:54:45.409 --> 00:54:50.300
my time a little bit more. And so the next day

00:54:50.300 --> 00:54:53.820
I didn't even talk in the ring. He loved that.

00:54:54.699 --> 00:54:56.900
Right. Cause you even said, I think you said

00:54:56.900 --> 00:54:59.460
that last ring or something or like you didn't

00:54:59.460 --> 00:55:02.539
even talk. I'm like, no, he liked that way better.

00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:06.219
Cause probably even when I think I'm like, wow,

00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.340
buddy, that's really good. Which I do in training.

00:55:10.219 --> 00:55:12.679
He probably perceived that as pressure, whether

00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.239
it sounded like that in the moment or he connected

00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:18.400
that to the past or whatever, who doesn't matter.

00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:26.920
So shut up. I took my time. I went slow and he

00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:30.079
got better and better. And then it was so interesting

00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:34.789
because like he made some. he made some mistakes

00:55:34.789 --> 00:55:39.570
when he was in a higher arousal state, not because

00:55:39.570 --> 00:55:42.829
he was over aroused, but because I think he's

00:55:42.829 --> 00:55:48.690
so unused to working. Yes. In that state, in

00:55:48.690 --> 00:55:53.610
that setting. Yes. That he made some mistakes

00:55:53.610 --> 00:55:57.130
that I like. So for example, like I sent him

00:55:57.130 --> 00:55:59.429
in the one ring to the guy, I showed him the

00:55:59.429 --> 00:56:02.909
go out. He looked to the right. I could have,

00:56:03.230 --> 00:56:07.250
spent time putting him to the center yeah but

00:56:07.250 --> 00:56:09.869
i was like fuck it it doesn't matter i'm not

00:56:09.869 --> 00:56:14.070
gonna do that because like i don't want to look

00:56:14.070 --> 00:56:16.750
you know what i mean so he runs out he goes to

00:56:16.750 --> 00:56:19.349
the wrong stanchion and he sits and he's like

00:56:19.349 --> 00:56:23.690
i did it and i just looked at him like yup jumped

00:56:23.690 --> 00:56:27.190
him and i could tell like i i know people are

00:56:27.190 --> 00:56:29.289
like oh you're not gonna do a fix and go or you

00:56:29.289 --> 00:56:32.750
know So next one, I show him, I show him the

00:56:32.750 --> 00:56:35.989
middle and I could see he's looking to the right

00:56:35.989 --> 00:56:38.969
again. And I have taught, I know I can talk him

00:56:38.969 --> 00:56:41.670
out of it into the center stanchion. Yeah. But

00:56:41.670 --> 00:56:43.949
I didn't care. I was like, I'm not going to do

00:56:43.949 --> 00:56:45.989
it. Like, because I don't want him to then go,

00:56:46.090 --> 00:56:49.070
oh, she's over managing me. Right. Right. Let

00:56:49.070 --> 00:56:51.670
him go to the wrong stanchion again. And he was

00:56:51.670 --> 00:56:55.320
so happy. Right. And I just let it go. And I

00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:58.199
was like, good job, buddy. That was super. And

00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.300
I just kept going. And then in another ring.

00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.199
Oh, he. Yeah. So stuff like that. So I just ignored

00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:08.079
it. And I was I acted like it was all perfect.

00:57:08.460 --> 00:57:11.619
Yeah. Because I know I can get that other stuff

00:57:11.619 --> 00:57:15.179
back. Right. Like, oh, with the glove and the

00:57:15.179 --> 00:57:18.619
other ring, like he started offering without

00:57:18.619 --> 00:57:22.289
me saying anything. beautiful pivot. I've never

00:57:22.289 --> 00:57:25.130
seen him run so hard to the glove. He, he was

00:57:25.130 --> 00:57:28.170
turning as he picked up the glove. Cause usually

00:57:28.170 --> 00:57:30.730
he, you know, he's so thoughtful. So he's out

00:57:30.730 --> 00:57:33.309
and then he's like, Oh, pick up glove, turn around.

00:57:33.570 --> 00:57:37.530
And he's like, and he's running back and then

00:57:37.530 --> 00:57:40.489
he's running to the judge. Right. And I'm like,

00:57:40.550 --> 00:57:44.610
so in my head, so now I have to make these really

00:57:44.610 --> 00:57:47.550
fast decisions. Well, this is where it's hard

00:57:47.550 --> 00:57:51.400
because instinctively you're like, ah, Instinctively,

00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:55.019
you're like here. Yeah. And he would have seen

00:57:55.019 --> 00:57:58.960
that as a correction. Exactly. Or if I said anything,

00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:01.000
even if I was like here, buddy, he would have

00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.880
been like, oh, shit. I was wrong. I just let

00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:07.659
him go. He ran to her and then he went, oh, shit.

00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:09.780
And then he was and I just go, come here, buddy.

00:58:09.900 --> 00:58:13.420
Wow, that was really good. No worries. And I'm

00:58:13.420 --> 00:58:15.440
sure everyone's like, what is wrong with her?

00:58:15.500 --> 00:58:21.550
She just lets her dog run around the room. But

00:58:21.550 --> 00:58:26.070
you're like, it's like what you said, like it's

00:58:26.070 --> 00:58:30.050
freeing them up. Right. Like, no, like hilarious.

00:58:30.150 --> 00:58:34.550
I love it. Um, it's freeing them up. Right. Like

00:58:34.550 --> 00:58:40.269
that is the piece. And with him, like he definitely,

00:58:40.409 --> 00:58:45.489
like he definitely has with whatever went on,

00:58:45.489 --> 00:58:48.690
there's a, there's been some, there's an association

00:58:48.690 --> 00:58:55.179
to. trial picture right with just that sort of

00:58:55.179 --> 00:59:00.260
pressure that inadvertently on him with trying

00:59:00.260 --> 00:59:05.659
to keep him up right that's the piece yeah and

00:59:05.659 --> 00:59:09.699
it wasn't it happened in training as well really

00:59:09.699 --> 00:59:13.860
because I was always like come on yeah come on

00:59:13.860 --> 00:59:21.420
right right and then that you know, that creates

00:59:21.420 --> 00:59:25.920
conflict. Like that creates some conflict in

00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.579
the relationship we have with our dogs. Right.

00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:33.059
Cause I had it too ever perceived when she couldn't

00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:35.260
do it. That was like, she perceived that she

00:59:35.260 --> 00:59:38.440
was wrong. She was disappointing me. And then

00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:40.880
it just creates that conflict in the relationship,

00:59:41.059 --> 00:59:44.579
the working relationship, which then bleeds into

00:59:44.579 --> 00:59:50.480
your stuff for sure. Yeah. Yeah, and, yeah, and

00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:56.179
I know, right, that, like, that stuff is, like,

00:59:56.340 --> 01:00:00.739
or in the one class, he, like, he did a couple

01:00:00.739 --> 01:00:06.079
exercises, then he, like, runs, runs to get,

01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:08.300
like, jumps over the high jump, gets the dumbbell.

01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:13.099
picks it up looks looks at the judge like for

01:00:13.099 --> 01:00:16.119
a second and I could tell in that moment that

01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:20.320
he wasn't being distracted he was like processing

01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:25.280
yeah like I could see he was like oh this feels

01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:30.019
different like and then he went oh and then he

01:00:30.019 --> 01:00:32.800
ran back which a lot of times he'll drop back

01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:38.360
right and bounced in front and like and I was

01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:42.079
like you know, in my mind, like, good boy, perfect.

01:00:42.179 --> 01:00:46.480
Right. And I just kept going. So like, I think

01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.800
the point is like, we have to understand behavior,

01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:52.500
right. And not look at everything as right and

01:00:52.500 --> 01:00:56.880
wrong because things that look like mistakes

01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:01.280
to me, I was like, oh my God, like that glove

01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:05.400
was the best glove he ever did. And he ran to

01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:07.599
the judge and people are like, are you crazy?

01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:13.380
Like, and I'm like, it's like, thank God, like

01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:15.780
you and Deb were there. Cause like no one else

01:01:15.780 --> 01:01:18.679
would even understand like what is happening

01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:22.039
here, you know? And I'm like, good boy. I'm like,

01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:24.900
oh my God, that was so good. And I'm like, what?

01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:31.300
So yeah, so now he's gonna, he has to learn,

01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:33.139
like, and everything is different. You have to

01:01:33.139 --> 01:01:36.219
remember, I'm handling him different. So I'm

01:01:36.219 --> 01:01:39.280
different. So the dog has to process that, right?

01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:43.619
I'm different in that setting. He feels different.

01:01:43.820 --> 01:01:48.099
So he has to go like, oh, like this feels different,

01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:53.059
you know? And then he has to learn to work in

01:01:53.059 --> 01:01:57.119
that feeling. And look. In training, when he's

01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.960
offering now and doing all these things, I am

01:01:59.960 --> 01:02:03.619
not asking for any precision. If he fronts and

01:02:03.619 --> 01:02:07.519
it's dead crooked, I leave it be because I don't

01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.880
want to add pressure. Now, yes, the accuracy

01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:13.139
is going to come back and I'm going to be able

01:02:13.139 --> 01:02:16.920
to ask for it when things even out and settle

01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:20.300
down and settle in. I am not worried about that

01:02:20.300 --> 01:02:25.460
at all. You know. I'm not worried that everything's

01:02:25.460 --> 01:02:27.179
going to fall apart. Like, yeah, it's going to

01:02:27.179 --> 01:02:29.260
fall apart a little bit and then it's going to

01:02:29.260 --> 01:02:32.119
come back together because the dog's trained.

01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:36.300
The dog's highly trained. Exactly. That's not

01:02:36.300 --> 01:02:39.119
an issue, right? It's like, it's this state of

01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.539
mind, this arousal. Yeah. This, you know, and

01:02:42.539 --> 01:02:45.579
me being, and I'm towards the end in between

01:02:45.579 --> 01:02:48.360
exercises, I was doing the motion games. He was

01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:52.360
responding to them and like, he would look a

01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:56.210
little like. reinforcer and I'm like game game

01:02:56.210 --> 01:03:01.230
and then I had him back so all those things it

01:03:01.230 --> 01:03:04.050
just showed me like okay you're on the right

01:03:04.050 --> 01:03:07.750
course you know you're on the right path right

01:03:07.750 --> 01:03:12.750
stay the course um don't worry about you know

01:03:12.750 --> 01:03:16.889
like the results or you know and it was good

01:03:16.889 --> 01:03:20.929
that I had did have so many runs Because I was

01:03:20.929 --> 01:03:24.869
able to just experiment and experiment over and

01:03:24.869 --> 01:03:30.309
over and over. Yeah, it was. Yeah. And kind of

01:03:30.309 --> 01:03:34.349
start coming out up with a recipe, which like

01:03:34.349 --> 01:03:37.369
I felt like at the end, which was the last two

01:03:37.369 --> 01:03:38.750
ones when he should have been the most tired.

01:03:38.809 --> 01:03:42.250
I felt like he was the best because it was coming

01:03:42.250 --> 01:03:47.829
together. Right. Like my my my warm up. My handling.

01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:54.400
um his understanding like he was like oh starting

01:03:54.400 --> 01:04:01.199
to you know get it um so yeah so it was so it

01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:06.039
was really good on paper it was a disaster but

01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:10.500
you know like that's not like we always say you

01:04:10.500 --> 01:04:14.539
know that's not what we're no that's not what

01:04:15.240 --> 01:04:18.679
what we're after at the end of the day like you

01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:22.420
know ultimately that's not what we want yeah

01:04:22.420 --> 01:04:27.800
so so funny because well first of all I was late

01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:32.659
going there on Sunday and I yeah and I didn't

01:04:32.659 --> 01:04:35.500
like so and I'm in the car something happened

01:04:35.500 --> 01:04:37.920
with my navigation system and it like put me

01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:40.400
like an hour and a half way out of my way so

01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:43.900
I like texted these guys and I'm like I'm going

01:04:43.900 --> 01:04:47.619
to be late. And at first I'm going, oh, my God,

01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:49.480
I'll be late. And I'm like, Lori, just who fucking

01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:51.920
cares? Like if you miss a class, like what's

01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:54.559
who cares? Right. So I was like, I'm not letting

01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:58.239
it rattle me. I got there. I got my stuff out

01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:02.239
and they moved me. So they put me at the end.

01:05:02.260 --> 01:05:06.239
So I had time and I went into my first ring.

01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:09.760
And of course, you know, this is all all the

01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:12.159
stuff we've been doing is new, you know, and.

01:05:13.809 --> 01:05:16.570
Um, and I was like, I'm just going to go in like

01:05:16.570 --> 01:05:20.690
I do in training. And she acted just like she

01:05:20.690 --> 01:05:23.070
does in training. Now she's, you know, she's

01:05:23.070 --> 01:05:25.690
bouncing. We're going all the way to our first

01:05:25.690 --> 01:05:28.769
exercise and she's bouncing. I'm not asking for

01:05:28.769 --> 01:05:32.630
any of it. She's bouncing happily along. And

01:05:32.630 --> 01:05:34.889
I just look at her and I just, I remember saying

01:05:34.889 --> 01:05:39.280
to her, like, I love that. I love that. And then

01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:42.400
we set up for retrieve on the flat. I did nothing.

01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.539
Like I just said, I said, I did my dude, my little

01:05:45.539 --> 01:05:49.519
setup doodle. I did my pre -cue and she let out

01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:54.079
this walloping bark and it wasn't her screechy,

01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:59.969
anxious, frenetic bark. It was like. let's fucking

01:05:59.969 --> 01:06:03.469
go. Like I, it felt so good. Like she was like,

01:06:03.530 --> 01:06:07.570
let's fucking rock this. Like I loved it. Like

01:06:07.570 --> 01:06:10.289
I didn't even care. Alison looked at me, like

01:06:10.289 --> 01:06:16.460
eyebrows up. I'm like, it's fine. And, um, Her

01:06:16.460 --> 01:06:18.960
work was beautiful. Like I was so thrilled with

01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.780
that. Absolutely. Yeah. And because we can tone

01:06:21.780 --> 01:06:25.699
that down eventually, you know, if we need to,

01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:28.280
but it wasn't like I, it wasn't her, you know,

01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:30.900
like, no, it wasn't stressy. I heard it. It was

01:06:30.900 --> 01:06:33.840
not a stressy bark. It was a happy bark. There's

01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:36.500
a huge difference. Like it's not her. I've heard

01:06:36.500 --> 01:06:40.440
it. It's not her anxious. Like, um, no, that

01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.920
was, she was relaxed and she was comfortable.

01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.539
Yeah. And yeah, that's what it was. It was it

01:06:48.539 --> 01:06:52.440
was joy. It's unfortunate that our sport is so

01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:57.519
crazy that, you know. Yeah. Dogs that it's it's

01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:02.079
so much containment. But she but yeah, that that's

01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.639
what. And you know what? At the end of the day,

01:07:05.820 --> 01:07:13.309
like I'll never forget. It was so. back at the

01:07:13.309 --> 01:07:17.510
NOC with Tyler, it was knockout rounds, right?

01:07:17.590 --> 01:07:20.210
And so in the final, when you get down to the

01:07:20.210 --> 01:07:23.570
final two people, you have to do a full open,

01:07:23.590 --> 01:07:25.929
you both have to do a full open round, full utility,

01:07:25.989 --> 01:07:31.289
right? So I think we did open first. And I mean,

01:07:31.369 --> 01:07:33.610
it's a miracle this dog did anything because

01:07:33.610 --> 01:07:35.929
I didn't know anything about arousal or whatever.

01:07:36.070 --> 01:07:38.610
He was always over aroused. I don't know how

01:07:38.610 --> 01:07:41.440
he held it together. So I was holding him together

01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:44.440
by a thread and I, the last exercise was a broad

01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:47.380
jump. And as I'm transitioning the broad jump,

01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:49.940
I'm like, he's going to barf. Like there's, I,

01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:52.840
there's nothing I can do. I knew it. I knew it.

01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:58.099
There was nothing I could do. So he, this dog

01:07:58.099 --> 01:08:04.139
was big. He was 96 pounds, ribs showing muscle,

01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:06.920
not an ounce of fat on him. He was gigantic.

01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.260
And it was like everyone would be sitting there.

01:08:11.300 --> 01:08:16.260
It was quiet. Send him over the bra job. I mean,

01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:19.640
it fucking echoed off that we were in this giant

01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:23.699
ballroom. Right. And whatever. So I come out

01:08:23.699 --> 01:08:26.600
of the ring and everyone. And as soon as he barks,

01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:30.039
you can hear it on film. It's this giant. Yeah.

01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:35.899
Right. And. I leave the ring and in my head,

01:08:35.899 --> 01:08:38.140
I'm like, dude, we still have a whole utility

01:08:38.140 --> 01:08:41.119
run. Like, so maybe it's a point, you know what,

01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:44.460
whatever. And afterwards, like even some people

01:08:44.460 --> 01:08:51.100
asked me, I said, you know what? The reason he

01:08:51.100 --> 01:08:54.680
still was able to get through those classes and

01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:58.840
give me that accuracy at the very, very, very

01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:02.710
end when all the dogs are getting tired. And

01:09:02.710 --> 01:09:05.890
the other dog in the other ring was obviously

01:09:05.890 --> 01:09:09.909
a great dog, but she flunked an article. Well,

01:09:10.010 --> 01:09:13.989
guess which is more points, a bark or a flunked

01:09:13.989 --> 01:09:16.189
article? So when you're looking at something

01:09:16.189 --> 01:09:19.350
like a tournament, you know what I mean? All

01:09:19.350 --> 01:09:21.930
right, well, you might lose some points on a

01:09:21.930 --> 01:09:26.359
bark, but if you've... that gives you enough

01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:31.100
dog where the dog is free and happy and can do

01:09:31.100 --> 01:09:34.739
their work in, you know, in those conditions,

01:09:34.819 --> 01:09:40.159
then I'll take the bark any day. Me too. Me too.

01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:47.380
Yeah. Good. All right. So that's where we're

01:09:47.380 --> 01:09:52.039
at. So I would say that, you know, What we're

01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:54.399
doing, we're doing different things, but it's

01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:57.600
work. It's it's similar in that we're taking

01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:02.340
pressure off and that we're letting the dog kind

01:10:02.340 --> 01:10:05.159
of figure out, like manage their own arousal,

01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:08.600
learn how to do that. We're just giving we're

01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:12.579
just giving them more autonomy in a sense, teaching

01:10:12.579 --> 01:10:18.340
them that. Changing our handling, trying to be

01:10:18.340 --> 01:10:21.350
the same. you know um you're trying to be the

01:10:21.350 --> 01:10:25.510
same I'm like I I do like get very excited when

01:10:25.510 --> 01:10:28.170
I train and I'm always like wow you know but

01:10:28.170 --> 01:10:30.449
he doesn't like it in the ring so I'm just shutting

01:10:30.449 --> 01:10:34.250
up you know and he likes that better so fine

01:10:34.250 --> 01:10:36.869
I can do that I don't really talk when I show

01:10:36.869 --> 01:10:41.529
Zaina so um but you know figuring out what your

01:10:41.529 --> 01:10:46.550
dog needs adjusting your handling and Being willing

01:10:46.550 --> 01:10:52.010
to sacrifice runs. Yeah. Right. Like for the

01:10:52.010 --> 01:10:57.850
sake of using it as a way to assess your progress.

01:10:57.869 --> 01:11:02.130
And if you need to like, you know, leave or if

01:11:02.130 --> 01:11:07.890
you need to whatever, do extra cues or whatever

01:11:07.890 --> 01:11:12.470
the case, then just do it. Right. Like it's just

01:11:12.470 --> 01:11:17.409
a run. Like it's just. a show exactly exactly

01:11:17.409 --> 01:11:22.789
you know it's just another dog show there's more

01:11:22.789 --> 01:11:27.609
of them and i get it you know um we spend the

01:11:27.609 --> 01:11:32.750
money etc believe me like i airbnb'd gas you

01:11:32.750 --> 01:11:37.890
know the whole nine yards but to me it was way

01:11:37.890 --> 01:11:41.800
well worth the investment Right. Even though

01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:44.800
that wasn't my original plan going up there for

01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:51.539
him. Because I got so much out of it and that

01:11:51.539 --> 01:11:54.119
that's how we need to look at it. That, you know,

01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:58.640
it's a long term journey to get what we want

01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:03.760
from them. Yeah. So we'll keep you posted. There'll

01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:10.680
be more updates on what we're doing. Yeah. All

01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:13.779
right. Thanks everybody. Bye. Bye.