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Hi everybody, welcome to the Canine Connection

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podcast. Today, Lori and I are going to talk

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about pressure, but not pressure on the dogs,

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pressure on the humans. Well, it's real, right?

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So, and everybody has it. There's no way around

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it. We put it on ourselves first and foremost,

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right? That's the first thought that happens.

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And it's easy to say, don't do it. Very easy

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to say. Incredibly hard, incredibly hard to execute.

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Thanks to our human monkey brain that loves chitter

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chattering and telling us all kinds of crazy

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nonsense that we then believe and go down a rabbit

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hole with. Right. So, I mean, I know for myself.

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I've been working on it forever and I still need

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to work on it constantly. That never ends. Right.

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Doesn't mean it doesn't get better. It's tons

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better for me now. Tons easier. But does it ever

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disappear? Absolutely not. It's there and it's

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there externally as well. And that's the reality.

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Right. Like they're at shows. People are watching

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me. They're watching me walk in. They're watching

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me warm up. They're watching me in the ring.

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They're watching me leave the ring. Like, that's

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the reality. There's no getting around it, right?

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Quite often, I get judged differently. I'm not

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saying that in a negative way. It just is what

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it is. I think it's subconscious. Doesn't matter.

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It happens, right? I post things on Facebook.

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I do the podcast. Observed. And people have expectations.

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They're not my expectations, but they have them,

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right? And I hear it, whether indirectly or directly,

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but I will directly hear it. Come out of the

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ring. What happened? Come out of the ring. Didn't

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get first place, which is pretty ridiculous,

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right? You didn't get first place. What happened?

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People say that stuff to me all the time, right?

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Well, what's the deal with Zaina? Like all your

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other dogs were really consistent. She's not.

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Like I get comments constantly. Oh, you want

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to get like, it doesn't matter. You win, you

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lose. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. And, and

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then you have to control your own emotions. Right.

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Which is, and that's where it gets hard because

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it's hard for me. Yeah. I already have issues

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because, you know. because of my childhood it

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was a disaster nothing was ever good enough like

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it was a mess so I already had um self -esteem

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issues not feeling good enough not worthy on

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and on right and to this day I have like imposter

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syndrome like I'll win and I'm like surprised

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like oh really like and people like yeah you're

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just no no no like that's how I feel and I do

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feel pressure like even if in my brain intellectually

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I understand a number of things one nobody wins

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all the time they just don't in any sport that's

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just the way it is and for sure not in dog sports

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right and that's perfectly okay I can have a

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class that I love and not even place especially

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in the northeast very competitive right um I

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can have a class I didn't love in place. I understand

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that people are going to talk about other people

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no matter what, no matter who you are, no matter

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what you do. It doesn't matter. There are going

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to be people that don't like you. It's all just

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part of the thing. But keeping that all on like

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in real time. managing that like coming out of

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the ring having flunked or having quote -unquote

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not one and not feeling like all those feelings

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not because even I'm judging myself in that way

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but because I know what other people are saying

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like that's so hard and then managing all that

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It's so hard. In real time at a trial. Jesus

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Christ, it's hard. It's really hard. Like I everything

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you said is exactly how I feel. And I'm not you,

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obviously. See, even you just saying that puts

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pressure on me. Sorry, Petra. Do you know what

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I'm saying though? But that's a perfect point.

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I understand. No, I know. In that moment, like

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I feel like, oh God, I got, do you see what I'm

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saying? I recognize it. I stopped it, but yeah,

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right. But it's like the pressure of, you know,

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ever, you know, I started my business. That put

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me out there. And then I, I also post a lot of

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stuff on Facebook and I don't do it to be like,

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look at me, look at me because I post a lot of

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my troubles on Facebook because I feel. I mean,

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we don't have to go into that, but I want to

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share, like, my whole thing is if I'm going to

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teach, if I'm going to run a school, if I'm going

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to do a podcast, like, the purpose is to, my

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goal is to make our sport more collaborative

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where we can help each other out and not have

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that, I mean, everyone's competing. when we go

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to shows, but at the end of the day, like I love,

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I don't care if you win all the time, if I can

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help you with something, I'm going to help you.

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You know, I'm not going to be jealous or envious

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or anything like that, but that's my purpose

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of being out on social media. That's my purpose

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of teaching, doing, sharing the podcast with

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you. Like if we can help people, whether they're

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thinking about competing or their multi -level

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arch person like that's my goal and I think you

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share that too but with it comes you know the

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critics out there and boy they're everywhere

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I mean unfortunately that's just what goes hand

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in hand with our sport it goes hand in hand with

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everything in life really but You know, it can

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get pretty freaking, there's some deep trenches

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of some toxicity with the criticism and all that

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going on at dog shows. I think a lot of people

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will agree with that who are listening. It's

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actually turned people away from doing the sport.

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But when you become, you know, a little bit of

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a name or, you know, you're putting yourself

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out on social media enough, like, and since I've

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been doing the podcast. There's definitely been

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pressure on me. It has affected my performances

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this past year. It's something that I'm not ungrateful

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for or it's not something that I wish I regretted

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doing because it actually has really forced me

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to get my head on and be able to bring. to the

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table, what I need to bring to the table for

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my own dogs at performances. Like, it's hard,

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like you said. I mean, it is really hard to get

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past all that stuff. And, you know, unfortunately,

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like, I think that I'm the same way as you. Like,

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I grew up in a super sporty home with parents

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who held you know, high expectations of us in

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school and in our sports. And it wasn't really

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ever, we weren't really ever told we were doing

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fantastic. It was always do better, do better.

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So I feel that too. I have that kind of background

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too. So I, you know, I feel it too. There's some

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insecurities there, like with my own, like my

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own self -esteem with my performance. especially

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when I'm in the ring like there's a thing like

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if I I went to a trial not long long ago and

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I it's a place I haven't been to in a couple

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years and I decided to go trial there and I'm

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currently working through some issues with ever

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so I was going just to kind of see if those training

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techniques I was used working on we're going

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to maybe hold up at a trial We had talked about

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that on the podcast. This is the actual trial.

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And I walked in and I think within like the first

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half an hour, three people came up to me and

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they're like, oh my God, you're Lori Winchester

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Mavichus. Oh my God, I can't believe you're here.

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I can't wait to watch you in the ring. And holy

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shit. Like I literally was like, not only did

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I like know that ever may have some struggles

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in the ring, like I was prepared for that. But

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now I'm now the pressure's on. Like I couldn't

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help but feel that when people are directly saying

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things like that to you, because then you're

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under that under you're under the microscope

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a little bit. Yeah. And you feel like people

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have expectations that you're going to do a certain

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way and your performance is going to be a certain

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way. And then when it's not that way, then we

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feel like it's a reflection on us. Like we're

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not really that good. We're a fraud. Like here

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we are teaching or here we are saying, oh, I'm

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going to help you. And like people expect your

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dog like wins all the time. It's perfect all

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the time. Gets high scores all the time. And

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the reality is like that couldn't be further

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from the truth. Like it just doesn't work like

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that. So like separating those feelings out.

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Right. Not letting it affect your self -worth,

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not letting it affect your performance. Right.

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Like that. That's the really hard part. And it

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just it just requires work. Like you just have

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to be aware of it and you have to do some sort

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of work on every day. So I am hyper aware. Right.

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Like this because I've been working on it for

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a long time. So now you said that. I can immediately

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feel that I feel that. And then I can immediately

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just flip that switch off and just go, yeah,

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that's irrelevant. Right. Right. In the past,

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I wouldn't have been able to do that. I would

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have been like, oh, my God, I would have started

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scribbling down things I need to work on in training.

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And like, I got to go train. Oh, my God. Like,

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you know. So I think just. The biggest part is

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being aware. I think there's two pieces. One

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is people have to recognize that everybody goes

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through it. Like every single person feels the

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same things. Like that's one thing we all share

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as humans, right? We don't all handle it the

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same, but we all feel it. We're all just human.

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We all feel those same feelings. Right. And then

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there's recognizing that we all feel that. So

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stop. Because people waste so much time beating

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themselves up for being unique. Oh, everyone,

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no one else feels what I feel. Yeah, you're not

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that special. We all feel it. And then figuring

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out and recognizing that it's happening and then

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start working on, you know, some sort of pattern

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interrupt, right? some sort of strategy, whatever

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that strategy is, so that you could start changing

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that. I think when I see that my students recognize

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that they're having this struggle and that it's

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an issue and that it's affecting their performance,

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to me, that's huge. That's the biggest step.

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Right. And then next is actively being willing

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to do something about it. Like you have to separate

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your feelings from reality, which is objective

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information. Right. Like at the end of the day,

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they all might be watching. Maybe they say something

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that day, but most people just go home and they

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just care about their own. situation right like

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what did third dog do how did third day go right

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um what did they need to work on um I think that's

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a big part of it and I think it's like you just

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have to recognize that that's part of competing

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like everything I've competed in it's kind of

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like the same thing some of it is pressure we

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put on ourselves too right like um I always have

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to separate out like, what do I care about? Not

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what does everybody like, I can't wrap what I

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care about and what I want in with other people's

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expectations or what I think other people's beliefs

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and expectations are. So I have to always do

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this mindful thing going into a trial, like,

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okay. What are my goals? What am I trying to

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achieve for my dogs? What do I care about? Make

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sure that's very clear in my head. And then work

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towards that that weekend and then evaluate objectively.

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How did that go? And then go back and work on

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that. versus just randomly going and being like,

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Oh, I want a cue or I want a ribbon or I want

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to score. Cause that's, you know, that's subjective.

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Like we don't really have control over that.

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Um, have process driven goals, right? Like I

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want to be focused. I want to handle my dogs

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a certain way. I want to see if certain things

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I've been working on and training are getting

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better. Right. That's and that's that's what's

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really helped me a lot is really like I actually

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what has helped me the most is thinking about

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my dogs, you know, especially Ever because Stormy's

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just starting out. So we haven't I haven't really

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shown her. But with Ever, you know, it is like

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it's hard enough for these poor dogs to be. doing

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what they're doing. Like they don't ask to go

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to these freaking trials. We always say that.

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And it's hard. And on top of it, I'm not bringing,

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I'm not doing my job in the partnership a hundred

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percent if I can't like somehow manage those

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feelings. and separate them, like you just said,

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so that I have the ability to show up and focus

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primarily on what I need to do. It's really hard.

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It's like that outside noise going on all the

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time. And that's just the mental management.

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We've talked about that and we've had episodes

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on that, but it always shows up, you know? But

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that's the thing. And like, even at my last trial,

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You know, somebody walked up to me and they were

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like, I said, I watched her run and I said, oh

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my gosh, your dog looks amazing. She had had

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many, many issues going on like for the past

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year. She's worked so hard. And I was like, you've

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done an amazing job. Like, wow, you should be

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so proud. And she was like, thank you so much.

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She's like, but I overheard all these people

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talking about, you know. My hand position and

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how I should be getting hit for that. And I was

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just like, that's the hard stuff. Like, cause

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you know, what's going on, you know? And I just,

00:17:35.890 --> 00:17:40.009
I told her, I said, it's the people are always

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going to talk. Like there's always going to be

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people doing that shit. I know. Don't. So annoying.

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And that's the problem because you know, what's

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happening. You've been standing there ringside.

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You hear people talking like that. So you know

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it goes on. And then, you know, that's the hard

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part. That's where you start to feel the pressure,

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you know. And I don't know. I'm just saying,

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like, it's fucking hard. Like, I get it. It's

00:18:14.099 --> 00:18:18.759
really hard. But I have, like, I really came

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to, like. I had like a coming to Jesus moment

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with myself. I'm like, you either hang this up

00:18:24.529 --> 00:18:28.950
if you can't find a way to be there for your

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talk. Or you need to find a way. And I did. Like,

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I'm much better now. Like, even this past weekend

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when we showed, like, I knew everybody was going

00:18:41.750 --> 00:18:45.740
to be there. I know people are there that don't

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support me. I know there's people there, like

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with everything, there's people there that don't

00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:54.480
agree with stuff I'm doing or whatever. I know

00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:59.069
that. I've heard it. I've been around it. And

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I knew most everybody was going to be at that

00:19:04.029 --> 00:19:07.869
trial. And I went and I had my plan and I executed

00:19:07.869 --> 00:19:11.289
it for my dog. And like that was my win. Like

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it was really hard to do. But now I'm like I'm

00:19:15.730 --> 00:19:18.309
so confident like I'm on the right track to be

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able to do that and overcome that stuff because

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the pressure is always going to be there. Always.

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Yeah. And it's like you said, you either make

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the decision that you're going to deal with it

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and come up with strategies to go overcome it

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or then just don't show. Right. Because it's

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not going to go away. I think the most interesting

00:19:38.019 --> 00:19:42.940
thing is like my biggest successes always came

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when like so I'll give you an example. So with

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Zeal, you know, he was really, really accurate

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and he would just have these like. little he'd

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always not always that's totally wrong but first

00:20:01.490 --> 00:20:06.130
noca went to he was really green like i just

00:20:06.130 --> 00:20:08.529
didn't even think we'd get to the end he gets

00:20:08.529 --> 00:20:12.910
third so then um he gets more seasons and you

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know he would either win a regional or he would

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like have one like implosion where he would fail

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and the rest would all be like super high scores

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right which was frustrating but um then the next

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few years I really wanted to win the NOC because

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I wanted to prove that like you know the way

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I was training was effective blah blah and he

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would flunk and so at some point in his training

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I came to the conclusion that he was already

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working so far and above his natural genetic

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ability that like, I couldn't really ask any

00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:54.940
more of him or expect any more of him. Like he

00:20:54.940 --> 00:20:57.980
was already way above and beyond what he should

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technically be able to do. Right. And I talked

00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:04.480
to some people I really trusted objectively,

00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.220
like, and they agreed, right. They're like, dude,

00:21:08.299 --> 00:21:10.779
like what you've gotten out of this dog, it's

00:21:10.779 --> 00:21:14.480
already a miracle, whatever. So his last NOC.

00:21:15.349 --> 00:21:20.269
I'm like okay well um we're just gonna go and

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I'm just gonna you know I had figured some stuff

00:21:22.809 --> 00:21:24.890
out over the summer and I said I'm just gonna

00:21:24.890 --> 00:21:28.529
try and keep figuring stuff out for me can I

00:21:28.529 --> 00:21:30.690
figure this out can I solve this problem for

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me out of curiosity that's it not like because

00:21:33.690 --> 00:21:35.970
I want to win or anything like that just can

00:21:35.970 --> 00:21:39.150
I figure it out right right figured some stuff

00:21:39.150 --> 00:21:42.809
out but I went to the NOC and I was like zero

00:21:42.809 --> 00:21:46.539
chance we're gonna even like win or get to the

00:21:46.539 --> 00:21:49.740
end like I'm just gonna like execute these things

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try out these things I worked on over the summer

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and over the fall and I'm just gonna do my job

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and execute and that's all that's my only goal

00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:05.059
right and that was my only goal through the whole

00:22:05.059 --> 00:22:11.480
thing and guess what he won hmm hmm right um

00:22:12.589 --> 00:22:15.549
this year with zesty like i already said it like

00:22:15.549 --> 00:22:19.029
wasn't even gonna go he wasn't even prepared

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like i was so relaxed because i had no expectation

00:22:23.150 --> 00:22:25.329
like i didn't even think i was gonna get either

00:22:25.329 --> 00:22:29.069
dog to the end right so like my training partner

00:22:29.069 --> 00:22:32.849
who was helping me he was my assistant he was

00:22:32.849 --> 00:22:35.849
like at one point like um he's like dude you're

00:22:35.849 --> 00:22:39.160
in the ring like soon i'm like i am So at the

00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:41.079
end of the day, he's like, I, even at the end

00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:42.720
of the weekend, he's like, I have not, like,

00:22:42.779 --> 00:22:45.180
I don't understand how you were so relaxed. You

00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:49.319
were just like, you know, whatever. Like, yeah,

00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:51.740
at some points I was like, ah, because it got

00:22:51.740 --> 00:22:54.960
frantic with two dogs, but two dogs was actually

00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.359
good. Cause I never had any time to think about

00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:00.259
any results or anything other than what do I

00:23:00.259 --> 00:23:02.539
do next? What do I do next? Now, what do I do

00:23:02.539 --> 00:23:04.720
now? And my dogs are polar opposites, right?

00:23:04.900 --> 00:23:08.039
And guess what? They did really well. Gee, I

00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:10.480
wonder why. Maybe because I wasn't focused on

00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.200
the outcome. Maybe I was focused on the process.

00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:15.859
Right. And that's happened in other things in

00:23:15.859 --> 00:23:19.220
my life where I was focused, so focused on the

00:23:19.220 --> 00:23:23.680
process and not on the outcome. I mean, it was

00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:26.240
the same thing with Tyler his first time. It

00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:29.930
was like. My whole goal was like, stick to my

00:23:29.930 --> 00:23:32.230
plan, stick to my plan. Like I had everything

00:23:32.230 --> 00:23:34.730
written out in notes, like don't go off the rails.

00:23:34.809 --> 00:23:37.069
And people were like going off the rails all

00:23:37.069 --> 00:23:39.609
around me. And I felt this pull to do this, do

00:23:39.609 --> 00:23:42.289
that. And I'm like, stick to the plan. Look at

00:23:42.289 --> 00:23:45.930
your book. This is what your notebook says. Yeah.

00:23:46.549 --> 00:23:49.829
You know, and that was, and I stuck to the process.

00:23:49.890 --> 00:23:52.789
Like I stuck to the plan. That was my only thing.

00:23:54.539 --> 00:23:57.839
As a byproduct, he ended up winning. Like, so

00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:01.519
part of that is like, I stuck to the process.

00:24:01.579 --> 00:24:05.940
Right. And did I do that every year? No. A lot

00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:09.920
of times I messed that up, you know, and you're

00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.160
like, well, but you dumb dummy, you know, the

00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:14.460
recipe, why don't you execute it? Cause it's

00:24:14.460 --> 00:24:18.599
hard. Right. But it's always the process. It's

00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:21.440
always, if you're focused, things go way better.

00:24:22.349 --> 00:24:25.890
If you're focused on the process, process goals

00:24:25.890 --> 00:24:29.609
and like nothing makes me happier. Like now.

00:24:31.029 --> 00:24:34.029
After teaching for years, when I see my students

00:24:34.029 --> 00:24:37.109
say, I have a child this weekend and these are

00:24:37.109 --> 00:24:41.549
my goals and their process goals. Right. I'm

00:24:41.549 --> 00:24:43.890
going to stay connected to my dog. I'm going

00:24:43.890 --> 00:24:47.210
to do my warm up. I'm going to use my pre cues.

00:24:47.390 --> 00:24:51.359
I'm going to do these things. And then when they

00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.980
give me the assessment, like sometimes I get

00:24:53.980 --> 00:24:56.839
choked up. I'm like, yes. They're like, okay,

00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:01.119
here's my assessment of the weekend. A, I met

00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:04.579
most of my process goals. That's what they tell

00:25:04.579 --> 00:25:08.039
me first. Or I did or I didn't. Like they address

00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.420
the process goals first. Then they tell me if

00:25:11.420 --> 00:25:14.319
their dog flunked or not. Right? They're not

00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:17.700
like, my dog flunked. My world's coming to an

00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:21.569
end. Like they're learning. That the important

00:25:21.569 --> 00:25:26.849
piece is the process goals. Right. That's exactly

00:25:26.849 --> 00:25:30.690
what it is. And that's what I did this past weekend.

00:25:30.829 --> 00:25:35.230
And it was a game changer. And is it hard? Yes.

00:25:36.369 --> 00:25:42.430
It's really hard. But that is exactly, you know,

00:25:42.430 --> 00:25:44.829
and that's like if you listen to a bunch of,

00:25:44.829 --> 00:25:48.009
like I've listened to a lot of podcasts where

00:25:48.009 --> 00:25:52.180
they're. you know, top athletes have spoken about

00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:55.099
the mental management and that's what they harp

00:25:55.099 --> 00:25:57.599
on. Like you, in the moment, like you just need

00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:02.299
to be step -by -step doing your plan, not thinking

00:26:02.299 --> 00:26:04.759
about the outcome, not thinking about winning,

00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:08.759
sticking to your plan, sticking to your process

00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.720
goals. And it is, it is a game changer for sure.

00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:17.099
I also think it's, you know, like we should look

00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:21.250
at it. That these are not just good skills, like

00:26:21.250 --> 00:26:23.549
learning to deal with the pressure, tune out

00:26:23.549 --> 00:26:26.829
the noise. Like they're incredible life skills,

00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:30.710
right? Like I'm so resilient now. Like things

00:26:30.710 --> 00:26:35.049
don't bother me. Like life things happen, like

00:26:35.049 --> 00:26:39.430
things in life, right? Like people unrelated

00:26:39.430 --> 00:26:42.869
to dog sports can do something unkind to me.

00:26:42.910 --> 00:26:45.829
Like it could be something like in everyday life

00:26:45.829 --> 00:26:48.619
in the store, or it could be somebody. I know

00:26:48.619 --> 00:26:52.380
well, like they could do something upsetting,

00:26:52.579 --> 00:26:56.660
something hurtful or something where that I might,

00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.240
I could potentially interpret a certain way or

00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:04.819
whatever, or things can break or whatever can

00:27:04.819 --> 00:27:09.299
happen. And I'm just like, nah, all right. You

00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:13.660
know, I'm able to separate myself from it. am

00:27:13.660 --> 00:27:16.200
I able to understand like why it happens that

00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.500
sometimes it has nothing to do with me. It has

00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:21.559
everything to do with them. Right. And even though

00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.839
on the surface, like you could say, well, but

00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.400
it was done to me, it hurt me or whatever, but

00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:31.460
I can still separate myself from that and look

00:27:31.460 --> 00:27:34.200
at it more objectively. Like, and I can look

00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.619
at like, what did I do? Like, did I do? No, I'm

00:27:38.619 --> 00:27:42.680
okay. Like with what I did. So therefore I'm

00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.279
not going to go down a rabbit hole with this

00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:52.180
thing. Right. Like in life, I just don't, I just

00:27:52.180 --> 00:27:54.640
don't go there. Like, and I don't get sucked

00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:59.519
in. So like people around me can start talking

00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.019
about things and I'm just like, you know what?

00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.559
I look at that. I'm not going there. Yeah. I'm

00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.079
just not like, that's not where I want to put

00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:12.579
my energy. yeah like I just don't like I I don't

00:28:12.579 --> 00:28:16.019
want to sit here and go oh my god she did this

00:28:16.019 --> 00:28:20.819
and he did that and they this like yeah I gotta

00:28:20.819 --> 00:28:24.160
go I got things I gotta do yeah I'm the same

00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:29.500
way I'm like no sorry I'm out yeah and so I think

00:28:29.500 --> 00:28:35.309
that like I know that way back when I first started

00:28:35.309 --> 00:28:38.230
this mental management journey, which I started

00:28:38.230 --> 00:28:43.390
for dog competition, that I was then able to

00:28:43.390 --> 00:28:47.210
transfer those skills to my everyday life. Like,

00:28:47.250 --> 00:28:49.509
and I say that all the time, like, this is not

00:28:49.509 --> 00:28:56.069
just about competition. It is you, you know,

00:28:56.069 --> 00:28:59.569
if you develop these skills in competition, these

00:28:59.569 --> 00:29:05.930
skills can transfer. To everyday life as well.

00:29:05.990 --> 00:29:09.890
And, you know, what I think is interesting is

00:29:09.890 --> 00:29:12.269
like, I don't know what it is about competition

00:29:12.269 --> 00:29:17.750
where like we can choose to take these experiences

00:29:17.750 --> 00:29:21.549
and have them divide us. But what we really should

00:29:21.549 --> 00:29:23.849
be like is we should understand like we're all

00:29:23.849 --> 00:29:27.230
going through the same thing. Like we're all

00:29:27.230 --> 00:29:31.430
at this trial. We're all nervous. We all have

00:29:31.430 --> 00:29:35.900
goals. We've all worked hard. We're all trying

00:29:35.900 --> 00:29:40.420
to achieve something. And sometimes we do. But

00:29:40.420 --> 00:29:43.259
more often than not, we don't. And we're all

00:29:43.259 --> 00:29:49.740
in that boat together. And we should be like

00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:52.839
that. That's what I find fascinating. That should

00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.539
make us all like feel like we have a commonality.

00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:02.890
Right. Instead of it creating this like. division

00:30:02.890 --> 00:30:08.710
like this weird thing where it creates separation

00:30:08.710 --> 00:30:16.250
you know like like when other like if your run

00:30:16.250 --> 00:30:19.470
didn't go as planned like I have empathy for

00:30:19.470 --> 00:30:22.329
that because like I understand what that feels

00:30:22.329 --> 00:30:26.119
like right And rather, like, I think when people

00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.799
struggle, they kind of go, oh God, they don't

00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.599
even want to talk about it. Or they want to talk

00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:34.599
about it ad nauseum in a like, like, oh my God,

00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:36.940
this is a terrible thing. Instead of just like,

00:30:37.099 --> 00:30:40.319
hey, let's discuss it. Maybe like we can come

00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.319
up with a plan. Maybe we can help each other.

00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:46.440
Or if nothing else, dude, I get it. it sucks.

00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:50.099
It's fucking hard. Like, I know how much you've

00:30:50.099 --> 00:30:52.480
been working on this. It's still not working.

00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.819
I know how frustrating this is. Like, that's

00:30:56.819 --> 00:31:01.039
how we should be. Or Oh, my God, that was so

00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.480
nice. And yes, maybe that means you're gonna

00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:08.480
beat me. So what like you, I have mad respect.

00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:12.279
Like, I even if I don't like the person as an

00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:16.680
individual, like, I understand. how much work

00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:21.460
yeah went into achieving that performance that

00:31:21.460 --> 00:31:26.660
you just put in like good for you like good job

00:31:26.660 --> 00:31:31.259
you know nice nice run yeah that's how we should

00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:35.000
be with one another like we should have respect

00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.099
for that like I see that it just makes me it's

00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:41.079
so depressing to me This is what depresses me

00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.079
more than anything. When I see people in top

00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.039
sports, like, and believe me, I understand they

00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:50.759
are under an enormous amount of pressure, all

00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.559
like magnified a thousand times negativity, et

00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:58.559
cetera. But when I see two competitors after

00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.579
it's over, like have mad respect for each other,

00:32:01.700 --> 00:32:06.680
I love that. I like, I love that. And then I

00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:10.349
always feel so sad because I'm like, Why don't

00:32:10.349 --> 00:32:13.569
we have this in our sport? I don't either. I

00:32:13.569 --> 00:32:17.930
don't either. Like, literally, you know, just

00:32:17.930 --> 00:32:20.930
being in the ring and, like, when they, if I

00:32:20.930 --> 00:32:25.690
place in a class, like, I don't care who it is.

00:32:25.829 --> 00:32:29.710
Like, that part, I'm heartfully, like, feeling.

00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.599
total admiration and respect and happy for the

00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:37.180
person, people who are winning or getting ribbons

00:32:37.180 --> 00:32:41.619
or even qualified. Like I look and I notice who's

00:32:41.619 --> 00:32:44.359
in the ring. Like I see people in the ring where

00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.319
like, I know they've been struggling. They've

00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.720
been failing, you know, and queuing like time

00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.019
and time again, they keep showing up and I look

00:32:54.019 --> 00:32:55.839
in the ring and they're standing there because.

00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.799
They qualified. Like, I love that. I make sure

00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.500
I tell them, like, I'm so happy for you. Whether

00:33:03.500 --> 00:33:06.740
you're, you know, it doesn't matter who it is

00:33:06.740 --> 00:33:10.319
standing next to me. Like, I, you're right. Like,

00:33:10.420 --> 00:33:13.960
it is a hard sport. Like, why can't it be like

00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:16.720
that? Like, I don't understand it. All sports

00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.339
are hard. I mean, God, I remember agility. You

00:33:19.339 --> 00:33:22.119
think the Q rates bad in obedience? Holy Hannah.

00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:28.839
it was it's the most frustrating sport on the

00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:32.299
planet but like yeah I think again I think a

00:33:32.299 --> 00:33:35.480
big part of it is that misconception that's magnified

00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.480
ten a thousand fold by social media right where

00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:42.119
it appears as if everybody's winning it appears

00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:46.960
as if yeah right um doing well all the time it

00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.980
appears as if you know nobody ever struggles

00:33:51.259 --> 00:33:55.119
And I feel like even when I put struggles out

00:33:55.119 --> 00:34:03.380
there, people like dismiss that, like they don't

00:34:03.380 --> 00:34:09.860
really hear it or see it or take it in, right?

00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:15.460
Like all they take in, like to me, I think you

00:34:15.460 --> 00:34:18.469
should be more interested in the fact. that I

00:34:18.469 --> 00:34:21.690
fail and that I struggle and not gloss over that

00:34:21.690 --> 00:34:24.710
and go, yeah, but you win all the time and go,

00:34:24.789 --> 00:34:29.789
Oh, okay. Like I get it. Like that's part of

00:34:29.789 --> 00:34:32.449
the process, but it's almost like people don't

00:34:32.449 --> 00:34:36.250
even want to like hear that or acknowledge that.

00:34:36.329 --> 00:34:39.250
Like they have this weird thing where they create

00:34:39.250 --> 00:34:44.610
this fantasy, even with, you know, great athlete,

00:34:44.670 --> 00:34:48.119
like, um, Like this tennis player. I love him.

00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:53.320
I follow him. And just, I love him anyway, because

00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.059
he's got like this great attitude, right? Like

00:34:56.059 --> 00:35:00.440
he's got this great attitude. And so there was

00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.039
this tournament just this past weekend or whatever

00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.659
and quarterfinals or whatever. And he loses and

00:35:07.659 --> 00:35:12.860
they're like giant upset. I'm like upset, dude.

00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.159
Like these tennis players, first of all, when

00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.820
they do a tournament, they play all week long.

00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:22.099
Sometimes they're playing for two weeks. Like,

00:35:22.179 --> 00:35:24.019
cause it's like, you know, you start with hundreds

00:35:24.019 --> 00:35:27.619
of people and then you like, you, you keep, you,

00:35:27.699 --> 00:35:29.920
you win. And then you go to the next round and

00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:31.559
then you go to the next round. Then you go to

00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.500
the next. It's freaking insane. Right. The guy's

00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:38.820
already won a bazillion. He's like really young.

00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.500
He's like. I think the youngest player to win

00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:44.679
all four. Like he's already accomplished insane

00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.519
things and he's already accomplished great things

00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.219
this year. And it's only March. And they're like,

00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:55.559
and right away, it's like big upset, big upset.

00:35:55.820 --> 00:36:00.099
It's like, it's impossible to be that good all

00:36:00.099 --> 00:36:04.239
the time. It's impossible. But that's how people

00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:08.260
couch it. Like, they're not like, oh, all right.

00:36:08.260 --> 00:36:14.280
Well, he had a great run. this guy beat him it's

00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.579
how it goes you know he's still great right but

00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:22.679
it's like oh it's always presented as like this

00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:27.519
big upset he lost like oh my god he got upset

00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.679
what happened what do you think's wrong what

00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.139
do you think went wrong what do you think happened

00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:38.750
That's how our society is. It's so fucked up.

00:36:38.869 --> 00:36:42.570
It is annoying. It is, you know, and then you

00:36:42.570 --> 00:36:46.550
need to, as that competitor, be able to go with

00:36:46.550 --> 00:36:50.849
your team and go and reframe all that. Right.

00:36:53.130 --> 00:36:57.349
I'm not a loser. My tennis isn't terrible. Like

00:36:57.349 --> 00:37:00.210
I just didn't, you know, this guy on this day,

00:37:00.329 --> 00:37:03.210
this guy beat me. Like everybody's really good

00:37:03.210 --> 00:37:09.230
at that level. Like, right. So yeah, like it's

00:37:09.230 --> 00:37:12.670
in every sport, it's in everything in life, it's

00:37:12.670 --> 00:37:15.889
in work, it's in everything. And we just have

00:37:15.889 --> 00:37:20.670
to like really shift things. And say there's

00:37:20.670 --> 00:37:25.650
fantasy and there's reality. True. That's true.

00:37:26.190 --> 00:37:33.269
Yeah. This was good. All right. Everybody process

00:37:33.269 --> 00:37:37.590
goals. Live in reality. Don't live in fantasy.

00:37:38.030 --> 00:37:44.449
That's right. Be nice. Be nice. Don't sit there

00:37:44.449 --> 00:37:50.380
and gossip about somebody's arm position. Oh,

00:37:50.380 --> 00:37:55.440
God. If you feel the need to say something, it's

00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.119
always born out of jealousy. And then we need

00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.119
to examine that because we all have that tendency.

00:38:02.340 --> 00:38:05.719
We all have that in us. Yeah. And I feel it in

00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:09.300
myself. Times I feel jealousy. Like I feel when

00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:12.139
I want to like critique something. I go, wait

00:38:12.139 --> 00:38:13.880
a minute. Why are you doing that? And I'm like,

00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.840
oh, you're jealous. Why are you jealous? Let

00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:21.400
me examine that. And let me work on that. And

00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.340
that's what we should constantly be doing. Examining,

00:38:24.340 --> 00:38:26.739
working, examining, working, examining, working

00:38:26.739 --> 00:38:32.559
on ourselves to try and be better humans. Better

00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:36.460
humans. Be a better human. I'm still in process.

00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:43.059
Me too. Work in progress. That's right. Bye,

00:38:43.059 --> 00:38:46.639
everybody. Thanks for listening. Thank you. Bye.

00:38:46.820 --> 00:38:47.960
See you next time. Bye.
