WEBVTT 00:00:10.890 --> 00:00:12.710 hi everybody welcome to the canine connection 00:00:12.710 --> 00:00:17.050 podcast um today laurie and i are going to talk 00:00:17.050 --> 00:00:21.949 about mistakes because i think this is becoming 00:00:21.949 --> 00:00:29.010 like a really hot topic controversial um and 00:00:29.010 --> 00:00:31.829 i think it's i don't know sometimes swinging 00:00:31.829 --> 00:00:37.229 too far in i my opinion the wrong direction um 00:00:37.229 --> 00:00:41.590 i think the first and foremost we need to talk 00:00:41.590 --> 00:00:48.250 about reality we as humans we make mistakes all 00:00:48.250 --> 00:00:53.969 the time like I know that I make mistakes I made 00:00:53.969 --> 00:00:58.570 a mistake at the seminar I said oh I think your 00:00:58.570 --> 00:01:01.789 dog this is the problem and then I went no that's 00:01:01.789 --> 00:01:04.590 not the problem do I care that I made a mistake 00:01:04.590 --> 00:01:09.030 no I said I made him oh nope I was wrong okay 00:01:09.030 --> 00:01:12.549 let's Try again. Let's try more things to get 00:01:12.549 --> 00:01:15.349 to the root of the problem. I make mistakes in 00:01:15.349 --> 00:01:19.989 life. I've, you know, messed up my days, messed 00:01:19.989 --> 00:01:23.769 up appointments, like messed up all kinds of 00:01:23.769 --> 00:01:28.469 things. And for sure, I make mistakes in training. 00:01:28.530 --> 00:01:32.870 When I'm learning something new, I make mistakes. 00:01:32.950 --> 00:01:38.620 So like I love learning new things. Because it 00:01:38.620 --> 00:01:43.379 reminds me in real time, it refreshes the whole 00:01:43.379 --> 00:01:48.019 learning process. And I have never in my life, 00:01:48.019 --> 00:01:52.200 and I've learned a lot of different things, learned 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:57.060 a new thing without making mistakes. Same. And 00:01:57.060 --> 00:02:00.340 it doesn't bother me. Like, I don't get upset 00:02:00.340 --> 00:02:02.359 about it. I don't freak out about it because 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.900 I understand that, A, mistakes are just part 00:02:05.900 --> 00:02:10.680 of life. Right. And they're for sure part of 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.560 the learning process. And then a lot of times 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:18.960 it's very valuable information. So like a perfect 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:24.080 example was agility. I can mimic people. I can 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:29.280 mimic motor patterns. So if you, the instructor, 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:33.620 shows me how to handle a section, right, if she 00:02:33.620 --> 00:02:36.539 demonstrates it, I can execute it perfectly. 00:02:37.229 --> 00:02:42.389 does that mean I learned it no I mimicked right 00:02:42.389 --> 00:02:46.409 ask me then so then I would say don't show me 00:02:46.409 --> 00:02:49.569 how to do it because that's a waste of time because 00:02:49.569 --> 00:02:52.770 I'm not learning from that let me try and do 00:02:52.770 --> 00:02:56.449 it my try and figure it out and so what would 00:02:56.449 --> 00:03:00.449 happen is I would think I would in my mind I'm 00:03:00.449 --> 00:03:03.490 sending my dog forward let's say and my dog goes 00:03:03.490 --> 00:03:08.360 left The second the dog goes left, in that moment, 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:13.060 I freeze and I go, oh, I know why he's going 00:03:13.060 --> 00:03:16.979 left because my arm is saying go forward, but 00:03:16.979 --> 00:03:21.199 my feet are pointing left. Got it. On the next 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.919 strap, I line my feet up correctly and my dog 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:28.180 goes straight. So that error was incredibly valuable 00:03:28.180 --> 00:03:33.360 information to me. I was like, oh, that was perfect 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:35.759 that that happened because now I understand what 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.780 I did wrong. Now I can fix it. And now I retain 00:03:39.780 --> 00:03:46.319 that information. Right. That was incredibly 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:54.800 positive in my mind. Right. Yeah. And I just, 00:03:54.919 --> 00:04:00.250 I'm the same way. Like I. I used to be, I used 00:04:00.250 --> 00:04:02.729 to not handle mistakes well. Like that, the reality 00:04:02.729 --> 00:04:05.969 is like, I didn't like mistakes. And I, I always 00:04:05.969 --> 00:04:08.210 felt it was a reflection on my intelligence or 00:04:08.210 --> 00:04:10.289 my capabilities of doing things, which I think 00:04:10.289 --> 00:04:12.490 is pretty common with a lot of people, right? 00:04:12.550 --> 00:04:15.270 Their relationship with mistakes. Also growing 00:04:15.270 --> 00:04:18.629 up, I know both of us grew up in really like 00:04:18.629 --> 00:04:22.310 households that had super high expectations and 00:04:22.310 --> 00:04:26.209 standards put on us. um we were and we're both 00:04:26.209 --> 00:04:29.350 like super we came from competitive sports and 00:04:29.350 --> 00:04:36.050 all that stuff so that made mistakes like not 00:04:36.050 --> 00:04:40.709 really yeah they were uncomfortable and not I 00:04:40.709 --> 00:04:42.970 don't know like if you made a mistake you were 00:04:42.970 --> 00:04:45.870 judged or I don't know I judged myself I was 00:04:45.870 --> 00:04:49.370 a hard I was super hard on myself well but also 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.399 So the key here is because mistakes, though, 00:04:53.620 --> 00:04:57.040 were treated in a negative way. Right. So, for 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.339 example, like in my household, like if I breathe 00:05:00.339 --> 00:05:03.680 wrong, I was in trouble. Right. Right. So therefore, 00:05:03.939 --> 00:05:07.660 a mistake has bad consequences. It has negative 00:05:07.660 --> 00:05:11.439 consequences. Right. So therefore, mistakes now 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:15.759 in my mind until I figured it out. Same. Are 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:19.139 bad. Right. There's a bad relationship with them. 00:05:20.430 --> 00:05:24.009 Yeah. So that that was hard for me. Like that's 00:05:24.009 --> 00:05:26.089 hard for a lot of people, you know, because you 00:05:26.089 --> 00:05:28.589 hear people they'll be like, oh, but I feel so 00:05:28.589 --> 00:05:33.889 stupid, you know, like that's so common. Yeah. 00:05:34.050 --> 00:05:37.810 So I think, yeah, what's important is people 00:05:37.810 --> 00:05:40.949 need to recognize that they're doing that. Right. 00:05:40.970 --> 00:05:42.829 Because my students do that all the time. And 00:05:42.829 --> 00:05:46.339 I'm always like, you know what? No. Like, you 00:05:46.339 --> 00:05:49.220 need to get over that. Like, it's just like, 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.220 it's just, you know, and I think once people 00:05:52.220 --> 00:05:59.079 understand. Oh, I get it. I am pairing negative 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:03.560 emotions with the mistake. Right. Because of 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:07.259 whatever reason, doesn't matter why. I don't 00:06:07.259 --> 00:06:11.360 need to do that. Then they can change the narrative. 00:06:11.819 --> 00:06:16.810 Yeah. And you can learn. You can teach yourself 00:06:16.810 --> 00:06:22.649 that a mistake is not a bad thing. Right. A mistake 00:06:22.649 --> 00:06:28.170 is just a mistake. Right. And a mistake at times, 00:06:28.189 --> 00:06:32.269 it just is what it is. And at times it can be 00:06:32.269 --> 00:06:37.370 a positive. It can. And it also can be like if 00:06:37.370 --> 00:06:42.930 it's a repetitive mistake, then that's going 00:06:42.930 --> 00:06:48.399 to make you like. halt and be like all right 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:51.779 something needs to change like you know what 00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:54.699 i mean like that's gonna make you like be like 00:06:54.699 --> 00:06:59.339 re -evaluate right yeah it's information yeah 00:06:59.339 --> 00:07:02.360 it's information like that's on the human side 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:06.699 but then the big thing i see is dogs making mistakes 00:07:06.699 --> 00:07:09.120 and everybody has a fucking heart attack that 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:12.800 the dog made a mistake right because well because 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:15.680 i think for I think it occurs for a number of 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.939 reasons. I think one, a lot of times when a mistake. 00:07:20.259 --> 00:07:23.879 So I think one thing is there's this perception, 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:29.620 right? That dogs shouldn't make mistakes. Like 00:07:29.620 --> 00:07:32.139 if we're good enough trainers or if everything's 00:07:32.139 --> 00:07:35.480 good, like everything should just be good. Like 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.259 everything in the world and in life and in training, 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:40.579 it should just all be good. And I should just 00:07:40.579 --> 00:07:43.060 show my dog what to do. And my dog should just. 00:07:43.449 --> 00:07:47.449 learn it and then we should progress. And then 00:07:47.449 --> 00:07:50.290 that's how it should be. And if it doesn't go 00:07:50.290 --> 00:07:54.129 that way, then something's terribly wrong. Either 00:07:54.129 --> 00:07:57.970 I, as a trainer, I'm a terrible trainer or the 00:07:57.970 --> 00:08:01.410 dog's just not listening, blah, blah, blah. And 00:08:01.410 --> 00:08:03.810 then we have this thing in our heads that it's 00:08:03.810 --> 00:08:06.569 a, it's the whole thing is a negative. It's a 00:08:06.569 --> 00:08:09.689 failure because everybody else out in the universe 00:08:09.689 --> 00:08:13.550 is not having these problems. Exactly. Yeah, 00:08:13.550 --> 00:08:16.389 exactly. I like a big one is like, if you go 00:08:16.389 --> 00:08:19.730 to a mat, that big ones, I go to a match, I'm 00:08:19.730 --> 00:08:23.230 in the ring and my dog makes a mistake. I can 00:08:23.230 --> 00:08:28.269 hear everybody go. Or they're like your dog, 00:08:28.370 --> 00:08:30.430 you know, your dog just did that. Right. And 00:08:30.430 --> 00:08:32.889 I'm like, yeah, I know. Like who cares? Like 00:08:32.889 --> 00:08:34.870 you made a mistake. Like it's not the end of 00:08:34.870 --> 00:08:37.629 the world. I see it. I'm going to fix it. Not 00:08:37.629 --> 00:08:39.470 a big deal. They're allowed to make mistakes 00:08:39.470 --> 00:08:41.610 for whatever reason they made the mistake, but. 00:08:42.269 --> 00:08:45.230 That's how it's perceived. It's like, holy hell, 00:08:45.330 --> 00:08:48.009 the fucking world's freezing over. The dog made 00:08:48.009 --> 00:08:52.730 a mistake. I know. I think that, so Zest, leave 00:08:52.730 --> 00:08:59.590 it. I think that, A, as a human, as the trainer, 00:08:59.730 --> 00:09:02.889 you need to reframe your relationship with errors, 00:09:03.110 --> 00:09:06.049 right? You need to say that they just are what 00:09:06.049 --> 00:09:09.169 they are. They're information, right? Because 00:09:09.169 --> 00:09:11.940 really that's what they are. They're information. 00:09:12.379 --> 00:09:16.320 The dog doesn't understand it or the dog is confused 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:19.980 or something's going on. Okay. It's just information. 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:23.980 It means you need to do something different or 00:09:23.980 --> 00:09:27.120 maybe the dog's just puzzling it out. Let him 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:30.220 puzzle it out for God's sakes. Like stop managing. 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:34.120 Like it creeps me out because I was micromanaged, 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:38.379 right? So I know what that feels like. It's annoying. 00:09:39.179 --> 00:09:43.080 Like you never get to do anything on your own 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:45.419 because as soon as you're like, oh no, no, no, 00:09:45.419 --> 00:09:47.159 don't do it like that. Oh no, here, let me help 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:50.820 you. Oh, let me fix it. Holy Hannah, let me make 00:09:50.820 --> 00:09:54.120 a mistake. And then I'll go, oh, that didn't 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.700 work. Let me try it this way. Oh, okay, I figured 00:09:57.700 --> 00:10:00.200 it out. Guess what? Now I feel really good about 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:02.360 myself because I solved the problem. I figured 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:06.240 it out, right? But you're constantly robbing 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:08.450 me of that opportunity. Because you're like, 00:10:08.549 --> 00:10:11.049 oh God, oh God, oh God, oh God. Don't make a 00:10:11.049 --> 00:10:12.649 mistake. Oh, you made a mistake. Oh my God, oh 00:10:12.649 --> 00:10:15.470 my God. Everybody just relax. Everybody just 00:10:15.470 --> 00:10:20.470 chill out, right? Let the dog make a mistake. 00:10:21.129 --> 00:10:23.090 Don't treat it like it's the end of the world, 00:10:23.230 --> 00:10:25.730 right? If you don't know what to do when the 00:10:25.730 --> 00:10:28.490 dog makes a mistake in that moment in time, release 00:10:28.490 --> 00:10:31.509 the dog and tell them they're good. Guess what? 00:10:31.669 --> 00:10:34.009 You will not ruin your training. But I'll just 00:10:34.009 --> 00:10:37.480 have told my dog that. I'll just have praised 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.519 or told them that was right. And it was wrong. 00:10:40.539 --> 00:10:44.980 It was wrong. Oh, my God. Get over yourself. 00:10:45.139 --> 00:10:48.100 Right. Like what would happen to you? How would 00:10:48.100 --> 00:10:53.700 you feel if you made a mistake and someone got 00:10:53.700 --> 00:10:58.179 on your case about it? Right. Like I had employees 00:10:58.179 --> 00:11:02.039 that they wouldn't. I can think of a specific 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.259 example. Employee made a mistake. Right. pretty 00:11:05.259 --> 00:11:09.039 big mistake. They knew they made the mistake. 00:11:09.419 --> 00:11:13.100 They were so upset with themselves. What am I 00:11:13.100 --> 00:11:17.100 going to gain by saying to this person, you know, 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:19.820 you shouldn't have done that. She fucking knows 00:11:19.820 --> 00:11:23.240 she's already putting herself up over it. Right. 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:27.059 Right. Right. So I just said, it's fine. It's 00:11:27.059 --> 00:11:30.179 okay. Don't worry about it. I get it. So the 00:11:30.179 --> 00:11:33.480 next day we sat down as a group and I said, What 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.639 are things we could do moving forward that would 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:38.960 prevent this from happening? Like, let's come 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:42.980 up with a productive strategy as a team so that 00:11:42.980 --> 00:11:45.799 we can do things so this doesn't happen again. 00:11:46.139 --> 00:11:50.200 No blame, no shame, no beating her up. It's a 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:52.299 waste of time. It's going to accomplish nothing. 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:56.519 So everybody was supportive. Everybody came up 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.580 with a plan. And guess what? Knock on wood, that 00:11:58.580 --> 00:12:02.059 was like years ago and it has not happened again. 00:12:02.590 --> 00:12:06.509 Right. And everyone is now hyper motivated to 00:12:06.509 --> 00:12:10.830 be better. Yeah. Instead of being nervous and 00:12:10.830 --> 00:12:14.750 afraid of making a mistake, which means more 00:12:14.750 --> 00:12:17.870 than likely you're going to make a mistake. Yeah, 00:12:18.009 --> 00:12:21.190 definitely. Because that's that, you know, you 00:12:21.190 --> 00:12:24.190 have that weird relationship with mistakes if 00:12:24.190 --> 00:12:26.490 you're like that. And then you get weird about 00:12:26.490 --> 00:12:30.320 it and make the mistake. Right. So a mistake 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:33.379 when you train your dog is information. And I 00:12:33.379 --> 00:12:35.279 think there's different types of mistakes, right? 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:40.519 Like if my dog is in the learning process, like 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:44.860 if my dog is learning and it makes a mistake, 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.320 I'm not going to be worried about it because 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:52.480 maybe I'm just going to let you muddle through 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:56.620 and you actually figure it out on your own. Right. 00:12:57.070 --> 00:13:00.429 And that's brilliant because now you're becoming 00:13:00.429 --> 00:13:04.409 empowered, right? You're learning to solve the 00:13:04.409 --> 00:13:07.029 problem. So a simple example is because someone 00:13:07.029 --> 00:13:11.250 just did this. Their dog did the glove exercise 00:13:11.250 --> 00:13:14.970 and they put a bag of cookies sealed like between 00:13:14.970 --> 00:13:18.610 the gloves, right? Dog runs out, picks up the 00:13:18.610 --> 00:13:22.409 glove. She says, good job. The dog drops the 00:13:22.409 --> 00:13:24.389 glove, which it's allowed to do, and goes over 00:13:24.389 --> 00:13:26.830 and checks out the cookies in the bag. What should 00:13:26.830 --> 00:13:31.210 I do? I said nothing. Like it didn't get it did 00:13:31.210 --> 00:13:34.549 its job. Number one. Number two, after you released 00:13:34.549 --> 00:13:36.289 it and went and looked at the bag of cookies. 00:13:36.610 --> 00:13:39.090 Right. Why this bag of cookies here? It's not 00:13:39.090 --> 00:13:41.929 usually out here when I do gloves. Call the dog. 00:13:42.110 --> 00:13:44.429 Come on, get over here. I would have laughed 00:13:44.429 --> 00:13:46.370 if my dog did that. Honestly, I would have been 00:13:46.370 --> 00:13:49.250 like, get over here. Leave the cookies alone. 00:13:49.409 --> 00:13:53.549 Right. Right. Next strap. Dog runs out, gets 00:13:53.549 --> 00:13:57.139 the glove, comes back. acted like as if it never 00:13:57.139 --> 00:13:59.240 even saw the cookie bag because it figured it 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.200 out. Oh, I guess mom just decided to put a bag 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:04.259 of cookies in this picture. I said, if you keep 00:14:04.259 --> 00:14:06.700 putting different items out, your dog's going 00:14:06.700 --> 00:14:09.600 to ignore them. He's going to go, oh, sometimes 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:12.360 there's stuff out here. All right. Just ignore 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:17.759 it. Do my dad. Right. That's it. Not a big deal. 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:20.960 No worries. Dog figured it out all on their own. 00:14:21.100 --> 00:14:28.629 Shocking. Right. Countless. examples where when 00:14:28.629 --> 00:14:32.450 we add some challenges to exercises, the dog 00:14:32.450 --> 00:14:35.230 will make an error. And I tell the handlers, 00:14:35.250 --> 00:14:37.970 just don't make a big deal about it. Do another 00:14:37.970 --> 00:14:40.629 wrap. The dog does an extract perfectly. What 00:14:40.629 --> 00:14:43.529 does that tell you? The dog learned on its own. 00:14:43.590 --> 00:14:46.389 It solved the problem. Why does that matter? 00:14:47.019 --> 00:14:50.000 You're creating a dog that's not that's not nervous, 00:14:50.179 --> 00:14:52.259 that's not worried because it doesn't get in 00:14:52.259 --> 00:14:55.840 trouble for making mistakes. Right. And it's 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.279 allowed to make mistakes, which makes the dog 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:02.279 free and the dog figures it out. Now the dog's 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:04.820 becoming resilient and the dog's gaining confidence 00:15:04.820 --> 00:15:07.279 because the dog goes, I can solve this problem. 00:15:07.419 --> 00:15:11.120 So now when the dog's competing and it's under 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.379 pressure or the task is really challenging. Instead 00:15:15.379 --> 00:15:18.620 of the dog melting and freezing and falling apart. 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.759 The dog's like, I can solve this problem. Right. 00:15:22.860 --> 00:15:25.399 And the dog can push through. Yeah. And that's 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:29.059 worth its weight in gold. Cause that's what. 00:15:29.659 --> 00:15:31.940 That's what we want. And that's, that's what, 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:34.059 you know, that's what I'm doing with salty right 00:15:34.059 --> 00:15:38.100 now. Like I, you know, I'm, I don't want to micromanage 00:15:38.100 --> 00:15:42.279 him and I'm, I'm putting him already in like. 00:15:44.730 --> 00:15:48.570 fair, challenging situations. That's what I want 00:15:48.570 --> 00:15:50.330 to say. How do I want to say it? Cause I'm not, 00:15:50.409 --> 00:15:52.289 you know, I don't want to scare him. I don't 00:15:52.289 --> 00:15:55.629 want to over, over face him, but I'm not, you 00:15:55.629 --> 00:15:58.529 know, I'm already putting him in like problem 00:15:58.529 --> 00:16:02.029 solving situations, you know, letting him work 00:16:02.029 --> 00:16:04.730 it out, even if he's going to make some mistakes, 00:16:04.870 --> 00:16:06.769 you know, cause that's what people worry about, 00:16:06.889 --> 00:16:10.360 you know, like with articles. I don't care if 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:12.259 there's shit all over the floor like the toy 00:16:12.259 --> 00:16:15.039 I don't pick it up like I'm not gonna I'm just 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:17.720 doing it a little differently like I'm already 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:20.000 putting him in with distractions I'm already 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.240 putting you know leaving the toy on the floor 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.480 the bag of cookies on the floor or somebody's 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:29.059 like training pretty close by like I'm not gonna 00:16:29.059 --> 00:16:33.419 put him in a really sterile situation I want 00:16:33.419 --> 00:16:37.389 him to be challenged a little bit and I want 00:16:37.389 --> 00:16:40.470 him to learn to problem solve. But people, you 00:16:40.470 --> 00:16:42.429 know, they get, they've watched me and they're 00:16:42.429 --> 00:16:45.470 like, but he went out to the toy and he picked 00:16:45.470 --> 00:16:47.190 it up. And then he, but I'm like, but then he 00:16:47.190 --> 00:16:49.950 put it down and he came back to the pile and 00:16:49.950 --> 00:16:52.269 he worked the pile and he brought it in. And 00:16:52.269 --> 00:16:55.009 I said, yes, like, I'm not worried about that 00:16:55.009 --> 00:16:58.090 stuff. Like, I want him to problem solve on what's 00:16:58.090 --> 00:17:00.110 going to be, you know, what's going to get him 00:17:00.110 --> 00:17:02.429 the reinforcer. You know, I'm not going to have 00:17:02.429 --> 00:17:04.960 a heart attack over it. You know, and that's, 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:07.000 I think, what people get worried about. They 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.220 want to make sure right off the bat, like, no 00:17:09.220 --> 00:17:11.160 matter what, my dog needs to be right. My dog 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:13.819 needs to be right. Right. And it needs to do 00:17:13.819 --> 00:17:17.259 it perfectly. And it's like, yeah, wait a minute. 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:25.539 Like, the problem is trial environments are not 00:17:25.539 --> 00:17:30.200 pristine. No way. And so then the dogs get out 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.920 there and they struggle. Because they're used 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.720 to everything being pristine and everything manufactured 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:40.839 and created in a way where they're right all 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.160 the time or they have instructions all the time. 00:17:43.180 --> 00:17:45.839 Like, like at the seminar this weekend, like, 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.460 and this is, I get students like that. I can 00:17:48.460 --> 00:17:51.759 tell immediately, like their dogs cannot solve 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:55.759 a single problem because they can't shape. They've 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:57.779 never been shaped. They've been micromanaged. 00:17:58.250 --> 00:18:00.750 So when they're, you're trying to teach them 00:18:00.750 --> 00:18:02.890 something, they just stand there with this blank 00:18:02.890 --> 00:18:05.230 look on their face. Cause they're like waiting 00:18:05.230 --> 00:18:07.990 for, I don't know. Yes. I need instructions. 00:18:08.509 --> 00:18:11.549 Like, I don't know how to figure this out. Right. 00:18:11.650 --> 00:18:16.779 And as soon as they get stuck, they freeze. They 00:18:16.779 --> 00:18:20.920 literally just stand there and don't move. And 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:23.099 then what happens is the owner goes, see, my 00:18:23.099 --> 00:18:25.099 dog is stuck. They can't do it. And they immediately 00:18:25.099 --> 00:18:27.799 go in and help them. So it creates this vicious 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:31.119 cycle where the dog, you know, the handler becomes 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:35.319 an enabler and the dog develops literally learned 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:38.900 helplessness. Like it doesn't know what to do 00:18:38.900 --> 00:18:45.660 and that's not good. And usually. What happens 00:18:45.660 --> 00:18:48.640 is I sit there and I go just, you know, I create 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.380 a scenario and I go, wait, wait, wait, wait, 00:18:51.380 --> 00:18:54.819 wait. And the handler is so uncomfortable. And 00:18:54.819 --> 00:18:58.319 I'm like, just wait. And then all of a sudden 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:01.740 the dog goes, how about this? Yeah. And I'm like, 00:19:01.900 --> 00:19:05.380 yes. And the handler is shocked. Oh, he did it. 00:19:05.420 --> 00:19:09.839 Yeah. You like, I feel like we're treating the 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:14.339 dogs like they're idiots. I know. I know. And 00:19:14.339 --> 00:19:17.640 you know, Oh, dumb. Like, and dude, these dogs 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:22.039 are so freaking smart. They're so smart. They're 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.890 so smart. And they're like. I feel like dogs, 00:19:25.990 --> 00:19:29.730 they're opportunists. Like they want, they have, 00:19:29.890 --> 00:19:33.670 there's an end goal. Like they want the reinforcer. 00:19:33.670 --> 00:19:37.369 Like they want to get to solve the problem to 00:19:37.369 --> 00:19:40.470 get to the reinforcer. So let them figure it 00:19:40.470 --> 00:19:45.269 out. And what's been fascinating with Salty is... 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.500 He's six months old now. And since I've been 00:19:48.500 --> 00:19:52.500 doing this, since he was a puppy, I know more 00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:56.339 about who he is and who he's going to be as a 00:19:56.339 --> 00:20:00.619 dog. Now, like than I ever did with ever in stormy, 00:20:00.619 --> 00:20:04.519 like, because I'm why I really get to see like 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:08.460 the raw, like how he is, how he's going to handle 00:20:08.460 --> 00:20:11.950 adversity, how he's going to handle like. the 00:20:11.950 --> 00:20:13.970 challenge, you know, when it gets a little tough, 00:20:14.029 --> 00:20:17.589 how he handles pressure, how he, like, I am like, 00:20:17.670 --> 00:20:20.670 cause I'm just, it's been absolutely fascinating 00:20:20.670 --> 00:20:23.950 on what I've learned on who this dog actually 00:20:23.950 --> 00:20:27.700 is just by letting him. like freeing him up to 00:20:27.700 --> 00:20:30.259 solve it, like letting him make the mistakes, 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.740 letting him blunder, you know? And that's what 00:20:33.740 --> 00:20:36.759 I do with my puppies is like, it looks on the 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:39.500 surface, like I'm teaching them all these quote 00:20:39.500 --> 00:20:42.059 unquote skills, like competition skills, right? 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:44.579 Like precursors to competition skills. That's 00:20:44.579 --> 00:20:48.099 not what I'm like I am, but what I'm really doing 00:20:48.099 --> 00:20:52.180 the whole time is I'm shaping a ton and I'm seeing 00:20:52.180 --> 00:20:55.740 how does my dog learn? How does my dog handle 00:20:55.740 --> 00:20:58.700 frustration? Does my dog push through? Does my 00:20:58.700 --> 00:21:02.480 dog quit? Like what motivates my dog? What does 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:04.920 my dog find challenging? How does my dog handle 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:09.619 pressure? How does my dog handle? you know, noises. 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:13.740 Like that's a big one, you know, like crazy. 00:21:13.900 --> 00:21:17.220 It's so good. Yeah. It's so fascinating. And 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:20.019 then like you were saying, my training partner 00:21:20.019 --> 00:21:23.759 with her dog, she's a little over a year now, 00:21:23.819 --> 00:21:25.779 but like from the beginning, we're like, look. 00:21:26.539 --> 00:21:29.559 You train this puppy. Like when we train together, 00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:32.259 we train adult dogs. Obviously we have some pretty 00:21:32.259 --> 00:21:35.440 advanced dogs, right? So we'll put, set something 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:38.180 up and we'll have, you know, different toys out. 00:21:38.299 --> 00:21:40.500 Like we have all kinds of shenanigans going on. 00:21:40.539 --> 00:21:46.460 Right. So her puppy just, we didn't pick it up. 00:21:46.700 --> 00:21:49.740 We didn't move the crazy loud toy, make a noise. 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:52.440 We just left it out there. If the puppy gets 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:55.119 up and goes over and checks it out. Go check 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.200 it out. Puppy comes back, keeps working, right? 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:01.700 I have a student now in my one class with a super 00:22:01.700 --> 00:22:04.539 young puppy. She started the class with the puppy 00:22:04.539 --> 00:22:07.359 at like eight weeks old, right? I said to her, 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:09.819 no, no, no, no. You're not training in your house. 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:13.039 Bring that dog to class. So she brings a dog 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:15.099 to class, right? It's outside the ring. There's 00:22:15.099 --> 00:22:18.259 stuff going on in the ring. Dog's crated. She 00:22:18.259 --> 00:22:21.339 sends a dog to the platform. Dog runs to the 00:22:21.339 --> 00:22:24.119 platform. Dog gets distracted, runs over to the 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:26.319 side, goes to check something out. She doesn't 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:28.700 interfere. She lets it check it out. Dog, all 00:22:28.700 --> 00:22:30.700 of a sudden, in the middle of checking it out, 00:22:30.740 --> 00:22:34.119 it's hilarious, flips its head around and goes, 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.680 oh, wait, I was supposed to go to the platform. 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:43.450 Runs to the platform. And goes, look, I went 00:22:43.450 --> 00:22:46.329 to the platform. She's like, yes, next trap. 00:22:46.369 --> 00:22:48.910 Dog runs to the platform, runs back to her. Problem 00:22:48.910 --> 00:22:52.529 solved. She did not interfere at all. It was 00:22:52.529 --> 00:22:56.890 fascinating. And the dog's done this now with 00:22:56.890 --> 00:22:59.349 multiple things. I think she was doing like baby 00:22:59.349 --> 00:23:03.049 articles. The dog like leaves the pile, goes 00:23:03.049 --> 00:23:06.109 in. I don't even know what it was doing. Yes, 00:23:06.109 --> 00:23:08.269 she's done this. I'm like, I don't know what 00:23:08.269 --> 00:23:11.579 the dog's doing. And then all of a sudden. It 00:23:11.579 --> 00:23:15.319 goes, it like flips his head and goes, wait, 00:23:15.500 --> 00:23:21.440 I was doing articles. It goes back, finds the 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.740 right thing. You know, it's not full adult articles. 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:27.299 People don't have a cow. It's a little scent 00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:30.480 exercise. Finds the right thing. She goes, yes. 00:23:30.700 --> 00:23:33.799 Next rep runs to the pile, finds the right thing, 00:23:33.819 --> 00:23:36.940 runs back. This puppy is already showing. And 00:23:36.940 --> 00:23:38.940 I guarantee you, by the time this puppy is like 00:23:38.940 --> 00:23:41.700 several months old, like. It's it's learning 00:23:41.700 --> 00:23:44.660 to be resilient. It's learning to solve problems. 00:23:44.740 --> 00:23:47.799 It's learning to be an independent problem solver. 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.039 She's learning to just let it figure it out. 00:23:52.059 --> 00:23:55.960 Right. My training partner's dog at a year, a 00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:02.859 little over a year. Mind boggling, mind boggling 00:24:02.859 --> 00:24:07.579 what this dog can do. And it's because of how 00:24:07.579 --> 00:24:10.759 this dog is being trained. You know, the dog 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:12.960 makes a mistake. It doesn't have a meltdown. 00:24:13.059 --> 00:24:16.859 It's like, whoopsie, messed that up. Okay. Bounces 00:24:16.859 --> 00:24:20.019 back immediately, figures it out, does the right 00:24:20.019 --> 00:24:22.200 thing. Now, am I saying we leave the dog out 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.619 to dry or we overwhelm the dog? No. Are the dogs 00:24:25.619 --> 00:24:29.759 making eight mistakes in a row? No. Right. Right. 00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:34.039 We're not, we're being good, smart about what 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:36.180 we're doing. It's exactly like you said, fair 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:40.880 challenges, right? Where the dog's not. And if 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.319 it's too hard, we'll help you out. If you get 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:45.720 stuck, of course, we're going to help you. Right. 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:50.180 But we're letting you be free. Yeah. And we're 00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:54.420 teaching you to be resilient. And I think that's 00:24:54.420 --> 00:24:59.759 a gigantic hole in competition training across 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:03.900 the board. Because we've tilted in the direction 00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:10.609 of. making everything so easy and doing so much 00:25:10.609 --> 00:25:15.309 for the dogs that we're doing them a giant disservice. 00:25:15.670 --> 00:25:19.829 Yeah. I also think there's a, you know, I think 00:25:19.829 --> 00:25:24.130 part of it might also be that it is, I mean, 00:25:24.170 --> 00:25:28.109 I'm fairly new. Like I wasn't showing back and, 00:25:28.170 --> 00:25:30.390 you know, I mean, I've only been doing this for 00:25:30.390 --> 00:25:35.339 about nine years now. I feel that in my, our 00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:40.160 area, New England, like it is so highly competitive, 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:45.619 right? Like there are times where we're trialing, 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:49.519 where like you get a 198 and you're not even 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:52.299 in the ribbons. Like there, I mean, I don't know 00:25:52.299 --> 00:25:55.460 how it was back then, but. No, it's been, Northeast 00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:58.059 is, and I'm not saying it's only the Northeast, 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.579 but the Northeast has been, has always been. 00:26:00.819 --> 00:26:05.369 Yeah. And I feel that. the training has tilted 00:26:05.369 --> 00:26:10.190 to like obtaining perfection right out of the 00:26:10.190 --> 00:26:15.670 womb like immediately yeah yeah like we must 00:26:15.670 --> 00:26:18.930 get everything perfect before the dog is this 00:26:18.930 --> 00:26:21.289 old like you know what I mean I think that I 00:26:21.289 --> 00:26:24.529 when I first started this I felt that I was like 00:26:24.529 --> 00:26:28.490 wow like I was shocked that people were putting 00:26:28.490 --> 00:26:33.579 dogs in the ring at like a year old like um Or 00:26:33.579 --> 00:26:36.819 just the way they were training and it was like 00:26:36.819 --> 00:26:39.500 the dogs, you know, mistakes were like you don't 00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:41.700 make mistakes and the dogs need to be set up 00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:45.119 to be perfect. I was like that was a big like 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.980 I noticed that a lot. And that's where like over 00:26:47.980 --> 00:26:51.039 the years I've been doing it. I'm just like I 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:54.359 I find it and I know you do, too. Like I love 00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:56.880 the whole aspect of the training piece of just 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.299 watching the dogs figure stuff out. Like I find 00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:03.910 it fascinating how. how, like how they puzzle 00:27:03.910 --> 00:27:07.890 it out, how they get the answer, um, what behaviors 00:27:07.890 --> 00:27:10.769 they display, like before they actually ever 00:27:10.769 --> 00:27:12.950 find the answer. I just think the whole thing 00:27:12.950 --> 00:27:16.490 is freaking incredibly fascinating. And yeah, 00:27:17.289 --> 00:27:20.869 just, I don't know the whole perfection thing 00:27:20.869 --> 00:27:23.390 early. It's so true. Like, for example, I have 00:27:23.390 --> 00:27:26.309 a front and finish class running right now. Right. 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.180 And it's like, this is so common. Like I shape 00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:32.920 my fronts, which means my dogs are going to make 00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.079 mistakes, which is fine. I break it into a million 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.980 different pieces. And it's like event. I like, 00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:42.079 I don't expect my dog to consistently be giving 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:45.380 me perfect fronts for literally years. Right. 00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:49.799 Right. Yeah. And so I'm teaching the class and 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.920 it's like week two. And it's like, my dog's not, 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:55.880 it's still coming. It's still not straight. Dude. 00:27:56.460 --> 00:28:01.400 it's week two like what is happening like oh 00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:06.680 god you know and dog and like step one all right 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:10.839 is when i move the dog should move its hind end 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:12.920 and if it moves its hind end even a little bit 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.519 mark and feed what do people want immediately 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:19.059 yeah i move the dog's hind end should be perfectly 00:28:19.059 --> 00:28:23.039 centered like that that's that thing you talked 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.059 about where immediately it should be perfect 00:28:25.059 --> 00:28:33.539 right right no no no no i explicitly say in this 00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:36.960 piece of that we're doing right now your dog 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:40.319 does not need to find center but people ignore 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.500 that piece because they can't get past that it 00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:46.960 must be perfect right away right or i'm not i 00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.539 must not be doing talk about pressure what if 00:28:49.539 --> 00:28:53.049 i said that to you as a trainer Right. Like what 00:28:53.049 --> 00:28:56.250 if every mistake you made, I was completely intolerant 00:28:56.250 --> 00:29:00.009 of was like, no, that's not right. Right. No, 00:29:00.009 --> 00:29:02.210 that's not right. What are you like? First of 00:29:02.210 --> 00:29:06.430 all, let's be real here, people. I tell students 00:29:06.430 --> 00:29:11.150 the same thing 30 ,000 fucking times. And you're 00:29:11.150 --> 00:29:14.509 still doing it wrong. Are you being a jerk? No, 00:29:14.690 --> 00:29:18.150 you're learning. And it takes a long time to 00:29:18.150 --> 00:29:23.440 learn these things. Right. So. why should it 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:26.140 be different for your dog? Why are you so completely 00:29:26.140 --> 00:29:29.460 intolerant of that in your dog training when 00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:33.980 you're doing it yourself? Yeah. Yeah. So true. 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.220 It's so true. Like 8 ,000 times. I know. And 00:29:37.220 --> 00:29:40.519 so don't still say it to me. Oh my God, you've 00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:43.380 told me this a thousand times. Why am I still 00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:46.980 doing it? I don't know. It's hard. It is hard. 00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:49.559 It is hard. And then like, I've got students 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.240 who are like, they they'll catch themselves. 00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:54.380 I go, Oh, I did it again. Like, it's hard. Like 00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:56.819 it's going to take however long it's going to 00:29:56.819 --> 00:30:00.299 take. So why do you have a different expectation 00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:06.119 for your dog? I don't know. Like, I'm just like, 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:11.660 Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Right. That's 00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:15.339 what people need to think of. Like. I think they 00:30:15.339 --> 00:30:22.680 just, the dog's experience is actually very similar 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:27.599 to our human experience, but we don't connect 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.900 the two. Yeah. You know what I mean? We don't 00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:33.980 think about what this animal is experiencing 00:30:33.980 --> 00:30:36.700 because in a lot of things, in a lot of ways, 00:30:36.819 --> 00:30:43.220 it is actually not very different from us. And 00:30:43.220 --> 00:30:45.960 if we thought like that, I think we would be 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:51.859 more patient, tolerant, empathetic, understanding. 00:30:52.839 --> 00:31:00.619 Yeah, for sure. God, let him make mistakes for 00:31:00.619 --> 00:31:02.880 God's sake. The thing, this is what's so funny 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.519 because you said the match thing, right? I'm 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.079 in a match. I remember this. Zesty was young, 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.640 right? And I can't even remember. He did something 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.670 wrong. And he's like, he moved his foot. I'm 00:31:15.670 --> 00:31:18.329 like, yep, I know. Yes, good boy. Like, and I 00:31:18.329 --> 00:31:21.349 reward, like, sometimes I reward mistakes and 00:31:21.349 --> 00:31:24.390 people have, like, really have a meltdown. Then 00:31:24.390 --> 00:31:29.390 I remember, I don't know, he did something. Let's 00:31:29.390 --> 00:31:30.930 pretend, I don't know, I'll make it up. He moved, 00:31:30.970 --> 00:31:35.569 right? And the quote unquote judge was standing 00:31:35.569 --> 00:31:37.670 right next to the dog and people were around. 00:31:37.849 --> 00:31:39.730 It must have happened near the stewardship. And 00:31:39.730 --> 00:31:42.210 everyone's like, oh, he moved. He moved. And 00:31:42.210 --> 00:31:44.450 he's like, oh, my God, what did I do? And I'm 00:31:44.450 --> 00:31:46.869 like, and I looked at them. I go, would you stop 00:31:46.869 --> 00:31:54.289 it? He's leave him alone. No. And I'm like, yes, 00:31:54.390 --> 00:31:56.430 good boy. Don't listen to them. I'm like, you're 00:31:56.430 --> 00:31:58.609 a you're a puppy. You're allowed to make mistakes. 00:31:59.029 --> 00:32:04.420 Yeah. Cause he actually was picking up on their 00:32:04.420 --> 00:32:09.259 like energy of like, you're wrong. And I'm like, 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.099 Oh my God, like he's a baby. Like leave him alone. 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.980 Like I don't care. And then my dogs will make 00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:19.839 mistakes or I'll make a mistake that causes my 00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.339 dog to make a mistake. And, you know, some people 00:32:22.339 --> 00:32:24.480 are like, it doesn't matter if you messed up 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.940 your footwork. If you stop, your dog should sit. 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:28.819 That's what they believe. I don't believe that. 00:32:28.980 --> 00:32:32.819 I take responsibility for my part. I'm a teammate. 00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:35.259 If I make a mistake, my dog should not pay for 00:32:35.259 --> 00:32:39.980 that. Yeah. And people are like, oh, my God, 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.799 there she goes again, rewarding her dog for doing 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.960 the wrong thing. Like, how does she ever get 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:55.819 her dogs to do anything? Oh my gosh. Oh my God. 00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:00.380 Somehow my dogs managed to learn. It's a miracle. 00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:08.460 I don't want my dogs, you know, I don't want 00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:12.660 someone beating me up constantly. Like my dogs 00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:16.000 are trying. Well, the other thing too, when you 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:22.170 think about like that is, is, you know, how you 00:33:22.170 --> 00:33:24.750 react when the dogs make mistakes, you know, 00:33:24.769 --> 00:33:26.509 you got to be careful because you're going to 00:33:26.509 --> 00:33:28.809 create, you're going to pair that with an, you 00:33:28.809 --> 00:33:31.849 know, like a emotional response to mistakes. 00:33:32.009 --> 00:33:36.230 I have a couple of students who've had some history 00:33:36.230 --> 00:33:41.049 of how mistakes were handled incorrectly with 00:33:41.049 --> 00:33:45.940 their dogs. And that's. I mean, I find that incredibly 00:33:45.940 --> 00:33:49.140 hard to turn around once those dogs have that 00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:52.759 kind of relationship with making errors. Especially 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:57.539 dogs who are more sensitive and care so much, 00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:59.859 you know, that you got to watch that a little 00:33:59.859 --> 00:34:04.500 bit. Because then you can see when the dog does 00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:07.440 make an error and they know they messed up. Oh, 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:11.449 my fucking God. The poor dog is like already 00:34:11.449 --> 00:34:15.730 shoveling the hole for itself. Well, and I think 00:34:15.730 --> 00:34:19.389 that like what I want to see with my dog, right, 00:34:19.489 --> 00:34:22.570 is that when my dog makes a mistake and knows 00:34:22.570 --> 00:34:27.409 they made a mistake. That they go, oh, shoot, 00:34:27.570 --> 00:34:30.510 I messed up, but they're not like freaked out. 00:34:30.570 --> 00:34:34.050 They're not upset about it. Or if I say to my 00:34:34.050 --> 00:34:39.110 dog like. I say no to Zesty because he needs 00:34:39.110 --> 00:34:42.030 that. He wants me to say it. So when I don't 00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:45.909 say no, like, and I didn't say no to him for 00:34:45.909 --> 00:34:47.630 a really long time, just because I got out of 00:34:47.630 --> 00:34:50.789 the habit of saying no. And all of a sudden one 00:34:50.789 --> 00:34:54.090 day I just kind of said it by accident. I was 00:34:54.090 --> 00:34:56.429 like, no, buddy, don't do that. Cause I was like, 00:34:56.469 --> 00:35:00.070 geez, he keeps doing this mistake over and over 00:35:00.070 --> 00:35:02.909 a session, but you know, in multiple sessions 00:35:02.909 --> 00:35:06.650 over weeks. So there's. what is happening so 00:35:06.650 --> 00:35:09.570 finally I just go buddy no don't do that and 00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:13.269 he went well why didn't you tell me yeah yeah 00:35:13.269 --> 00:35:17.090 and it was it made it so clear to him yep well 00:35:17.090 --> 00:35:20.789 to him the word no means don't do that do something 00:35:20.789 --> 00:35:24.429 else so when I say no to him he does not get 00:35:24.429 --> 00:35:29.469 upset right he goes oh okay and then I follow 00:35:29.469 --> 00:35:32.230 it always by saying you're supposed to do this 00:35:32.230 --> 00:35:35.840 right So I, if he looks away, I go, no, leave 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.739 it up here. He goes, oh, okay. Don't look away. 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:44.579 Look at you. Got it. Right. Right. Some dogs, 00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.320 you can't say no, even if it's neutral because 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.840 they're just like zeal is inherently that kind 00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:55.280 of dog. But if he made a mistake, I would stop, 00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.250 tell him how to be right. And he learned over 00:35:59.250 --> 00:36:04.110 time that, oh, okay, nothing bad happens. She 00:36:04.110 --> 00:36:07.809 gives me good information. Then we do it again 00:36:07.809 --> 00:36:11.369 and I'm right. And he learned to handle mistakes, 00:36:11.769 --> 00:36:16.670 right? So he learned to stop like having a nervous 00:36:16.670 --> 00:36:23.679 breakdown, self -imposed because I did not. I 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:26.880 did two things. One is I didn't make a big deal 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:28.840 about it. I was like, you're fine. Don't worry 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.940 about it. And then I would do something like 00:36:31.940 --> 00:36:34.380 I do tricks and feed the tricks. So he'd be in 00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:37.440 a happy state. And I always gave him really good 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:41.400 information. Right. So if it was a true mistake, 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:45.360 right, then I would just say, you should have 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.260 done this. And I think the two things people 00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:52.280 go rise. Well, three, one, they micromanage. 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.920 Two, When a dog makes a mistake, they either 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.480 give the dog no information. So now the dog's 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.380 like stressed out because the dog goes, I don't 00:37:01.380 --> 00:37:03.559 even know what just happened. Or they're like, 00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.559 they give the dog negative information. So now 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.800 the dog goes, I make a mistake. That's bad. Yep. 00:37:11.289 --> 00:37:14.170 The dog makes a mistake. They'll say that was 00:37:14.170 --> 00:37:16.650 wrong or indicate in some way, shape or form 00:37:16.650 --> 00:37:18.610 that a mistake occurred, but they don't tell 00:37:18.610 --> 00:37:23.070 the dog how to be right. They assume the dog 00:37:23.070 --> 00:37:25.949 knows. Well, if the dog knew it wouldn't have 00:37:25.949 --> 00:37:28.989 done it for God's sakes, people stop it. The 00:37:28.989 --> 00:37:32.750 dog didn't know. Oh, it makes me crazy. Just 00:37:32.750 --> 00:37:36.929 stop it. The dog didn't know. So give the dog 00:37:36.929 --> 00:37:43.190 good information in that. moment, right? So I 00:37:43.190 --> 00:37:47.150 tell my dog to down, dog doesn't down. I say 00:37:47.150 --> 00:37:51.869 to the dog, either no, down, or if I don't say 00:37:51.869 --> 00:37:54.809 no, I say to the dog, buddy, down. You're supposed 00:37:54.809 --> 00:37:58.170 to down. That's it. There you go. You down. Good 00:37:58.170 --> 00:38:04.610 dog. Let's try that again. Not no or not. Let's 00:38:04.610 --> 00:38:07.500 do that again. Well, what makes you think the 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:10.340 dog's going to down the next time? Right. Didn't 00:38:10.340 --> 00:38:14.760 give it any information. Right. They're so quick. 00:38:14.900 --> 00:38:18.719 I find that like they they they indicate the 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.400 mistake and then quickly they're like off and 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:23.000 running. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.519 you doing? You need to stop and tell the dog 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:27.960 like they're like, oh, they don't even think 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.900 about that part because they do. I think they 00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:34.039 just assume the dog should have known how to 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.159 do it. Correct. That's a piece for sure. That's 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:42.119 a thing. It's huge. And I find if they actually 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.679 communicate to the dog, this is what you should 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.900 have done and make sure the dog registered that, 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.480 which is case in point, which is a huge point 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.539 of you. What you just said is stop. Yeah. Stop. 00:38:57.539 --> 00:39:03.110 Just stop. People stop. Stop. communicate with 00:39:03.110 --> 00:39:07.030 the dog give them good information then the dog 00:39:07.030 --> 00:39:08.909 knows what to do and it does it right on the 00:39:08.909 --> 00:39:12.250 next thing and you can move on right it's when 00:39:12.250 --> 00:39:14.929 you don't give information that the dog does 00:39:14.929 --> 00:39:17.550 a mistake again then you get frustrated because 00:39:17.550 --> 00:39:21.070 the dog's being stupid dog's not lit you know 00:39:21.070 --> 00:39:24.989 all the things we say and then you know you gotta 00:39:24.989 --> 00:39:27.150 too like if you're gonna have a reoccurring mistake 00:39:27.150 --> 00:39:29.989 it keeps happening then you gotta be like You 00:39:29.989 --> 00:39:32.409 got to put your dog down and you got to reevaluate. 00:39:32.409 --> 00:39:35.510 Like, why is that mistake keep happening? Is 00:39:35.510 --> 00:39:38.090 that a, you know, like something's going on? 00:39:38.170 --> 00:39:40.849 Does my dog even really know it? Did I train 00:39:40.849 --> 00:39:44.710 it well enough? So make sure you're, you know, 00:39:44.710 --> 00:39:47.530 that's your insanity rule. Patriots fucking talks 00:39:47.530 --> 00:39:52.230 about. Well, the definition of insanity, doing 00:39:52.230 --> 00:39:54.590 the same thing over and over, expecting a different 00:39:54.590 --> 00:39:59.820 result. Right? Right. That insanity has run rampant 00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:03.780 in the dog training community. Yes, it has. Over 00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:07.440 and over. I'm like, oh, my God, what are you 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:10.780 doing? Stop it. So I always say two errors in 00:40:10.780 --> 00:40:14.760 a row change something. Two. That's it. But it 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.039 goes back to people not being able to count. 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:20.400 Right. How many times did the dog just do this 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:24.320 wrong? I'll ask them how many times. Three. Try 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:29.369 six. Try five, right? Two people, two. One, two. 00:40:29.489 --> 00:40:32.730 My dog makes a mistake. I give them information, 00:40:32.929 --> 00:40:36.289 makes a mistake again. Guess what? My information 00:40:36.289 --> 00:40:40.650 wasn't good. That's it. It's that simple. One, 00:40:40.650 --> 00:40:45.150 two. No more complicated than that. Stop. Do 00:40:45.150 --> 00:40:48.570 something different. Stop saying the dog knows 00:40:48.570 --> 00:40:51.730 it. The dog should know all those things you 00:40:51.730 --> 00:40:55.719 say. Stop it. The dog doesn't know it. change 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.219 something it's that simple you're making it way 00:40:59.219 --> 00:41:02.920 more complicated than it needs to be right right 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:05.440 now you need to put on your detective hat your 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.380 problem solving hat why does my dog not understand 00:41:08.380 --> 00:41:11.340 it and so on that's a whole nother like episode 00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:16.800 but the point being give the stop give the dog 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.800 good information slowly make sure the dog registered 00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:25.059 it release the dog Do it again. Dog does it right. 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.559 Great. You gave it good information. Dog does 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:33.619 it wrong. Re -evaluate. Yeah. And really all 00:41:33.619 --> 00:41:37.579 errors are on us. So stop getting annoyed with 00:41:37.579 --> 00:41:42.099 the dog. It's the dog's only doing what you trained 00:41:42.099 --> 00:41:48.059 it to do. Sorry. Bad news. It's our fault. It's 00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:56.659 so true. Oh my gosh. It's so true. Um, and I 00:41:56.659 --> 00:41:59.360 think we, we see a lot of times when the dog 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:01.780 makes an error, the person just freezes and does 00:42:01.780 --> 00:42:04.860 nothing. That's another one. Yes. They don't 00:42:04.860 --> 00:42:08.559 know, which is, you know, I think just a confidence 00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:13.579 issue in the handler, not knowing exactly. Oh, 00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:15.800 I will. I would, I would actually say, I always 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.039 go back to what's the, what's your criteria on 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.079 that behavior, right? I think that's a big one 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.860 when people don't know what to do. They don't 00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:28.519 even know if it was a mistake. Let's go there. 00:42:28.940 --> 00:42:31.960 That's one. They don't really know. The dog will 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:33.820 do something and then they'll look at me and 00:42:33.820 --> 00:42:36.980 go, was that right? And I'll go, I don't know. 00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.699 Right? Like that's a big one. They don't know 00:42:40.699 --> 00:42:43.639 if that was the correct behavior on their dog. 00:42:43.699 --> 00:42:46.760 They're not sure because they don't know the 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:49.079 criteria on that behavior. And that's what I'll 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.909 say to them. Well, what's your criteria on that? 00:42:52.789 --> 00:42:56.309 Well, I think it was good. Well, then you don't 00:42:56.309 --> 00:42:58.150 know your criteria because it's either black 00:42:58.150 --> 00:43:00.250 or white. It's either right or it's wrong. There's 00:43:00.250 --> 00:43:03.730 no in between. Right. That's, I think, a big 00:43:03.730 --> 00:43:06.309 one that causes people to not even they don't 00:43:06.309 --> 00:43:08.309 even know what they're looking at because they 00:43:08.309 --> 00:43:10.429 don't know if it was a mistake because they don't 00:43:10.429 --> 00:43:12.349 know what the criteria is supposed to even be. 00:43:13.289 --> 00:43:15.369 Right. And then you're giving your dog confusing 00:43:15.369 --> 00:43:17.829 information because sometimes you're saying it's 00:43:17.829 --> 00:43:19.530 right and sometimes you're saying it's wrong. 00:43:19.670 --> 00:43:22.250 And then the dog has no idea because you're not 00:43:22.250 --> 00:43:27.050 being clear. So set the criteria in your head. 00:43:27.170 --> 00:43:31.230 This is right. Everything else is wrong. Right. 00:43:31.590 --> 00:43:37.409 That's clear. That's fair. That's clarity. Right. 00:43:37.449 --> 00:43:41.019 If you do, there's professional sports. You either 00:43:41.019 --> 00:43:44.780 kick the goal or you didn't. It's not like, oh, 00:43:44.780 --> 00:43:52.039 it came close. So you get a point. No. But they're 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.880 always getting it in the basket. That's typical 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:57.780 though. They'll be like, no, that was pretty 00:43:57.780 --> 00:44:00.639 good. Pretty good. That was pretty good. I'm 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:04.300 like pretty good. Like that was correct. I think 00:44:04.300 --> 00:44:06.179 so. I'm like, well, then you don't have your 00:44:06.179 --> 00:44:08.820 criteria set. That's huge. Like, how do you, 00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:11.260 how do you mark a mistake if you don't know if 00:44:11.260 --> 00:44:14.960 the dog even did it right or wrong? And the poor 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:19.079 dogs are standing there like, hello. I know. 00:44:19.099 --> 00:44:21.280 And then your information's really delayed because 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.820 you're standing there trying to decide. So you're 00:44:24.820 --> 00:44:27.639 standing there doing nothing. And the dog's like, 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.800 was it right or wrong? And you're like, I don't 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.780 know. Let me think about this. Should I reward 00:44:34.780 --> 00:44:36.559 or should I tell him it's wrong? Well, by now 00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:38.320 it's too late anyway. I know. I'm like, just 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.139 throw your dog a fucking cookie and tell him 00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:49.219 he's a good boy. Or they don't know how to fix 00:44:49.219 --> 00:44:52.019 the problem. So I always say if in that, look, 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:54.880 it's happened to me where something happened 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.320 unexpected and I'm like, I don't even know what 00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:58.960 happened right now or I don't even know what 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:04.199 to do with this. what's your default good boy 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:09.179 good girl released a dog give him a cookie because 00:45:09.179 --> 00:45:13.760 why should they pay for me having a senior moment 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:18.380 yeah yeah or you just don't you just don't know 00:45:18.380 --> 00:45:21.320 what to do in that second like you you just need 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.980 time to process on how to handle it just be like 00:45:23.980 --> 00:45:27.719 good dog cookie cookie put him away and be like 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.119 how the fuck do I handle that Right. And then 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:33.539 figure it out and then go back and do it. Right. 00:45:33.619 --> 00:45:38.300 Yeah. Yeah. And then you do need to develop a 00:45:38.300 --> 00:45:44.300 plan like for my for this particular dog, because 00:45:44.300 --> 00:45:47.920 all dogs are different. Right. This is how I'm 00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:50.719 going to handle it when my dog makes a mistake. 00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:52.599 And there are different mistakes, right? Like 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:56.320 my my dog just made a mistake, but it's a learning. 00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:59.800 So I can't really hold the dog accountable for 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:01.840 that because the dog's still learning. It's not 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:05.579 really an error error, which is different from 00:46:05.579 --> 00:46:09.880 Zaina. If I at this point in her career, if I 00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:11.719 turn around to look at her and she's staring 00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:14.239 at something to the right, that's a completely 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.280 different error. I would handle that differently. 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:20.500 Yeah. Right. Versus a dog that's making an error 00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:24.329 because it's really nervous. Yeah. I'm going 00:46:24.329 --> 00:46:27.389 to handle that differently. So I need to have 00:46:27.389 --> 00:46:33.710 ahead of time a plan for if my dog is nervous, 00:46:33.929 --> 00:46:38.289 I'm going to do X. If my dog is fully trained, 00:46:38.409 --> 00:46:41.090 not nervous, just being naughty, I'm going to 00:46:41.090 --> 00:46:45.550 do Y. If it's being naughty, I'm going to handle 00:46:45.550 --> 00:46:48.349 it differently than, well, I can't even say because 00:46:48.349 --> 00:46:51.179 you'll just wouldn't be naughty. But I'm going 00:46:51.179 --> 00:46:53.940 to handle it differently than perhaps a different 00:46:53.940 --> 00:46:56.320 dog or a dog in a different stage of their learning 00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.360 or whatever. Dogs are rarely naughty. It's a 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:04.059 dog that's super confident and super uber, you 00:47:04.059 --> 00:47:07.579 know, whatever, like Zaina, who will blatantly 00:47:07.579 --> 00:47:10.139 be naughty because she really just could care 00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:15.420 less. Right. That's where the majority of dogs 00:47:15.420 --> 00:47:17.440 really aren't even being naughty. They're just, 00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:21.539 you know, just a training issue. how am i going 00:47:21.539 --> 00:47:25.280 what is my strategy going to be so i know ahead 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:29.079 of time so i'm not caught standing there going 00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.119 oh shoot i don't know what to do yeah but if 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.420 you're still green and you may even have a plan 00:47:36.420 --> 00:47:39.679 and then in the moment freeze that's okay again 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:44.039 i i forgive you you are allowed as a human to 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.980 make that mistake so just say to the dog It's 00:47:47.980 --> 00:47:51.019 okay, buddy. I'm releasing you. I forgot. I don't 00:47:51.019 --> 00:47:56.480 remember what to do. So here, let's just, you 00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:00.340 know, let this go right now. And don't worry 00:48:00.340 --> 00:48:02.639 about it, but don't leave the dog sitting there. 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:06.559 Because while you're indecisive, the dog reads 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.260 that you're indecisive and the dog gets nervous. 00:48:09.900 --> 00:48:12.900 Well, then they could totally interpret it as 00:48:12.900 --> 00:48:15.539 a mistake, too. So you got to watch that, you 00:48:15.539 --> 00:48:17.639 know, because that's like, oh, fuck something. 00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:20.679 When you stop and do nothing, the dogs are like, 00:48:20.780 --> 00:48:23.039 what happened? Like they do. They notice that. 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.239 That's like a month right there. So they get 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:27.599 worried because you're supposed to be in charge 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.420 theoretically. Right. We're supposed to have 00:48:29.420 --> 00:48:32.619 our act together. Right. Right. Theoretically. 00:48:32.619 --> 00:48:37.480 And then they're like, ah. Yeah. So, yeah. So 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.739 I think, you know, we make mistakes. It's no 00:48:42.739 --> 00:48:46.159 big deal. Dogs make mistakes. Stop making it 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:52.099 a big deal. Yeah. You know, learn your dog. Learn 00:48:52.099 --> 00:48:54.639 to learn your dog. What the heck did I just say? 00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:57.320 That's because you've been talking for four days 00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:02.150 straight. Learn. you know, who your dog is, how 00:49:02.150 --> 00:49:04.789 your dog handles things, teach your dogs to teach 00:49:04.789 --> 00:49:07.630 your dog. You can teach your dog to handle mistakes. 00:49:07.730 --> 00:49:10.269 You can teach your dog to be resilient. Yeah. 00:49:10.349 --> 00:49:13.909 It's important. And if your dog is making mistakes 00:49:13.909 --> 00:49:16.789 in learning, give them really good information. 00:49:17.389 --> 00:49:21.110 And if they don't understand, they're not being 00:49:21.110 --> 00:49:23.050 bad. They're not being obstinate. They're not 00:49:23.050 --> 00:49:26.389 dumb. They don't understand. You need to, you 00:49:26.389 --> 00:49:29.440 need to change what you're doing. Right. You're 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.659 not being clear. Sorry. I mean, I've had dogs 00:49:32.659 --> 00:49:36.840 like now I'll take zest. How long have I been 00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.699 training? How many dogs have I had? I have certain 00:49:40.699 --> 00:49:45.519 things like where he didn't understand it. And 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:48.480 for like years I worked on it. I tried this. 00:49:48.539 --> 00:49:50.559 Didn't work. Tried that. Didn't work. Tried the 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:52.960 other thing. Tried like a million different things 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:56.239 before I figured out what made sense to this 00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:01.260 dog in this situation. Right. And all that whole 00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:08.059 time I'm saying, God, I know it's on me. Like, 00:50:08.099 --> 00:50:12.619 I know he just doesn't understand. I know that 00:50:12.619 --> 00:50:17.139 it's I am not communicating what I want. Right. 00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:19.760 Because I know that if he understood it, he would 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:25.320 do it. Right. Exactly. That's on us. And that's 00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.179 and the thing is, instead of taking that as a 00:50:28.179 --> 00:50:32.019 negative, like I'm a failure, you know, it's 00:50:32.019 --> 00:50:35.599 just part of dog training. Like it's not we're 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:38.940 not failures. We're not bad trainers. We're just 00:50:38.940 --> 00:50:42.619 humans trying to communicate with a different 00:50:42.619 --> 00:50:47.079 species that has that communicates differently 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:49.739 and processes information and sees the world 00:50:49.739 --> 00:50:52.780 differently. And that's hard. It's super hard. 00:50:53.469 --> 00:50:59.889 And that's true. Very true. All right. That was 00:50:59.889 --> 00:51:04.090 good. That was good. Thanks, everybody. Till 00:51:04.090 --> 00:51:05.449 next time. Bye.