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Hi everybody, welcome to the Canine Connection

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podcast. I'm in an Airbnb in Connecticut stuck

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because there's a blizzard. So I was up here

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doing a two -day seminar at Lori's place. And

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they started calling for a blizzard. And I'm

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like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll see. We'll see.

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And here we are. Patra's stuck. So we decided,

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let's do the podcast since we're both stuck inside.

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And then I had just said to her, like, I don't

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do a lot of live seminars, people. So FYI, don't

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start emailing me. I did it because Lori's place

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is not that far from my house. And anyway, but

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I was just telling her that, you know, it was

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a lot of people that are new to the sport, like

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a lot of novice aid people, not all, but holy

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Hannah, what a motivated group, like everything.

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like we talked about and then they would come

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up to work and they're immediately implementing

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it like they tried so hard which always like

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is so exciting to me just to see that that they're

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you know willing to try different things new

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things and just putting in an enormous amount

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of effort um so kudos to everybody there and

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to people that hung in like Sunday, we started

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early seven instead of nine, which I'm sure everybody

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was like, oh, my God. But we were trying to get

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in as much as we could before people had to leave

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for the storm. Right. Yeah. Yeah. The group was

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fantastic. Everybody was like. Super motivated

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and really, really, really like. I don't know.

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They're just so open. They were just so open

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to trying new things. What was really nice is

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they all came to the table with things that they

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knew, like they recognized they needed help with.

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You know what I mean? Like a lot of times you

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ask a lot of people who don't really. Who just

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are starting out and, you know, you know, what

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do you want to work on? And they just kind of

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don't know. And I was I loved a lot of them.

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Majority of them were my students or people I've

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seen before. But they were really they all came

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with a purpose of learning as much as they could

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from Petra. And then when they had opportunity

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to kind of isolate things that they had, they

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were having issues with, they like brought it

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right to the table. which was really great, you

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know? So I feel like it was super productive.

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It was such a productive weekend. So fun. Yeah.

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I think the key is people need to come with an

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open mind and then they need to be willing to

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try it. And then they need to be willing to kind

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of like understand that implementing something

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is going to take for it to really work is going

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to take time and consistency, right? Like you're

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not going to master it. Like a lot of times I

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find. People come with a problem and they want

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a quick and easy answer, like a miracle fix.

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Right. And once we've been training for a while,

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we know that doesn't really exist, you know.

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So I think that everybody here came like I could

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tell they understood that this is going to be

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a process, that this is going to take time and

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effort. But they need to start now and they need

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to do it. And I felt like every time they got

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up. Instead of rushing into the work area, they

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did what they were supposed to do, which is make

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sure their dog is focused, make sure their dog

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is ready, make sure they stay connected and so

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on. And that was really impressive. Right. And

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that makes me excited because then I know these

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they're going to do well in the long run because

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they understand the process, you know, and that's

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what's hard in most sports is like, I think people.

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You know, everybody wants their dog to do the

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cool and sexy thing. But, you know, things like

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engagement don't happen overnight. Right. Right.

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And that's, you know, I mean, that's the most

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important thing. You know, that's what you need

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to get to sexy and cool and fast. Yeah. Yeah.

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So something that came up there and that we've

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talked about. like that we've said we need to

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talk about moving forward is life skill. I think

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life skills and there's, and also understanding

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who your dog is, right? Like what's their personality

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like? What do they like? All these things that

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really stem from home life, pet dog life, right?

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Like who these dogs are in life. is who they

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are in training. So if my dog in life is pushy

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and demanding and obnoxious and always trying

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to push the boundaries and a little independent,

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that's okay. That's who this dog is. That's also

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who this dog is going to be in training. And

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I need to address those things in life and address

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them consistently in order for them for me to

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be able to train this dog right like if my life

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skills are not in place so one example is I have

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a leave it cue on my dogs because their labs

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they'll eat anything and everything if I drop

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a glass in my kitchen they come running in and

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they'll their first thing will be like can I

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eat this or if I drop pills or anything like

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that so I teach them a really strong leave it

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so if i dropped food right now and i yelled leave

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it none of my dogs would touch it right which

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means that if i'm training my dog and i a cookie

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drops or there's some enticing smell on the ground

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if i say leave it my dog will immediately leave

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it and now i can train my dog right but if i

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don't have a strong leave it in life then My

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dog's going to smell something and that's super

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reinforcing for dogs. My dog's going to blow

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me off. Yeah. And the same goes for, you know,

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all, all the things that are, all the things

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like I consider life skills that are like detrimentally

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important are things that are safety issues.

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You know, like that, like the recall, that's

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like the big one too, is, you know, you know,

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when I say come. you need to fucking come like

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no matter what. And that gets addressed. Like

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that stuff needs to get addressed in your pet

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life. You know what I mean? Like, so things that

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recalls or leave it, it's like people who don't

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have those things solidly down in their training

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with their dogs, like when they come, you know,

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to do lessons or training competition, obedience

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stuff, that stuff needs to get. ironed out in

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your pet life right like so if you have if you

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see holes like that in competition obedience

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stuff like you have to go you have to go examine

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what's going on in your pet life because that's

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where it needs to get ironed out like that's

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where it needs to be solidly trained right because

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you don't want to be you know if you don't have

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like a with me like with me you know that's the

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other thing like when when we move you need to

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move with me when i tell you to right that doesn't

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you don't want to start correcting and getting

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after your dog in like your competition obedience

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stuff because you don't want to poison that stuff

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you need to get all that ironed out and trained

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in your pet life first and foremost because you

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need it in because it does it bleeds into your

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competition stuff but on the other hand like

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I we hike our dogs all the time and we travel

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all the time we're getting dogs out of parking

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lots we're at hotels we're near roads we're blah

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blah blah god forbid you break down on the road

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right and you gotta freaking get your dogs out

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of the car or whatever like you need those skills

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for sure it's like an insurance policy my dog's

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safety is like a priority Yeah. So I think, so

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our definition, we should say our definition

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of a with me is it's basically like an off leash

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day with me. Right. So I, you should, I say for

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life skills, people should be able to, I'll ask

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students, like if your dog is off leash, can

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you get your dog from the car into the building?

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A hundred percent guaranteed safely. And if they

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say no, then that's a problem because your dog

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is going to be no matter what sport you do, your

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dog's going to be off leash and your dog can't

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leave you. Right. So if my dog leaves, if a dog

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leaves somebody in training, then that's a hole

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in their pet skill. Like my dog should never

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leave me unless I say go. Like if I'm off leash

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hiking and I say go run, they run. But if I call

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them, they come back. And if I say with me, my

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dogs, all three of my dogs will walk next to

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me in the woods so I can walk past somebody or

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whatever until I say, OK, and then they can run.

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And it's the same thing in training. And why

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does that matter? Because if your dog could be

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the friendliest dog on the planet, but if your

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dog runs out of the ring and runs up to one,

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depending on which dog I have, runs up to Zesty's

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face, guess what? We're going to have a problem

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because he is not going to take kindly to that.

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And he's going to be in the right because your

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dog should not be running up to my dog's face.

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Right. So that's a big problem that needs to

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be addressed in pet dog training. The recall,

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like you said. If something were to happen and

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you call your dog, your dog should come immediately.

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So I see people training their dog, toss a cookie

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or toss a toy, and then the dog's running around

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with it and they're like, come here, here, come,

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come. And the dog's not coming. It's a problem.

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Yeah, it's a huge problem. And if your dog learns

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that your cues are optional, like if your dog's

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like, yeah, maybe I'll come, maybe I won't. why

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would your dog follow your competition cues,

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right? Like if I run agility and my dog's like

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we and decides to go run around or visit people,

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that's a with me issue. Yeah. That's a pet dog

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issue. That means your dog does not understand

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that it can't just leave and do what it wants.

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So people try to address it then as a competition

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thing. Oh, my dog's this, that, or the other

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thing. No, no, no. It's a pet dog issue. Right.

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Your dog does not know that it can't run off.

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Yeah. You didn't teach it that. Right. And, you

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know, these things are tough. When I get puppies,

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like these things are implemented immediately,

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you know, because the puppies are with me on

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hikes. Like immediately they're going everywhere

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with me. They're going to dog shows. We're hiking.

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We're going here. We're going there. We're going

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to training facilities. Like, so they're with

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me. So they need that stuff. put in immediately

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and like when we teach this stuff you know I'm

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always assessing it all the time with my dogs

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like we always talk about we're always watching

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our dogs like in the house we're watching them

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we evaluate them we watch how they're moving

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we watch how they're acting same thing when I'm

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out and about and I am assessing pet life skills

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because you know like if I go to load my dogs

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up in the car we have a detached garage so our

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our park like our driveways out by the road,

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right? So when I go to load my dogs up, they're

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on a with me and I open the car doors and I'm

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telling them to come, let's load up. And, you

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know, the road is right there, right? So I have

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to be really careful. And I will, like, if I

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say, come with me, load up and someone's over

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by the garbage can sniffing, like I will not

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hesitate and address it right then and there

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because they're like, that's the, you know. It's

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going to be maintenance too, right? Like stuff

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gets weak. So I'm on it all the time. And there,

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you know, there's a consequence, obviously. I

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don't beat my dog, but you know, that's to me

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a non -negotiable skill for sure. Yeah, because

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life skills are, like you said, safety issues.

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I mean, you know, no one, everyone thinks, oh,

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that's not going to happen to me. But last year,

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the year before I had a really bad accident.

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And my dogs had to get out of the car. I couldn't

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even reach their leashes. Like I didn't even,

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you know, I had to come out of the truck and

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sit there while I tried to get, you know, leashes

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for them. And then they had to calmly walk with

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me into this like car repair place. They were

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kind enough to put me in the room. So they had

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to like be in a room and be well -behaved. You

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know, then I had like, I was like, at one point

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I was like carrying stuff. So they were on leashes,

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but I didn't even have the leashes in my hand.

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They were on a with me. Yeah. No. And those are

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the times when you're like, this really matters.

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Yeah. And it's really important. Like if I had

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dogs that needed to be. held and they were like

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crazy on the leash and they didn't all this stuff

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it would have been an absolute or dogs that would

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have run off and wouldn't come back like it would

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have been terrible and you know going in the

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hotel and this that and the other thing so that's

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all really really important and but I think what

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happens is people have their dogs on leashes

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And they don't have these skills and they're

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like, it's okay because, you know, I can manage

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them in my everyday life. And then they go into

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competition, training in whatever sport, and

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then they're having all these problems and they're

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handling these problems as if they were competition

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problems and they don't get resolved because

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they're not competition. They're really, they're

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not just pet dog problems. They're also relationship

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problems, right? It's like a kid. If I let my

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kid be an absolute hooligan, he then no rules

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in the house. You really think they're going

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to listen in a restaurant? You're right. No,

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they're not. They're going to act the same. They're

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not. And you're going to say, cut that out. And

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they're not going to listen because you're going

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to be like, why would I? There's never any consequences.

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So why would I listen? Yeah. And that's a thing

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like I see. I see a lot with people, you know,

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who come to me and the biggest one is like when

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I go to, all right, let's, I'll say like, all

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right, we need to talk. So put your dog on a

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down stay. And that like is usually like totally,

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it is. I can tell in five seconds, like you need

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major life skill work because they're standing

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there. They can't even fucking listen to me because

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they're managing the dog. The dog goes down,

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looks at them, gets up. They go to put the dog

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back down and they're saying the command repeatedly.

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The dog gets up. They have to go put it down.

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And I'm like, your dog doesn't have a down stay.

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No, he does. He does. I'm like, no, he doesn't.

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And that like that's an important thing. Like

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your dog is literally. like doesn't believe you

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like that's what i really say they really don't

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believe you like you can stay there and get mad

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at them and start like down no down they're like

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yeah whatever it doesn't matter like i'm gonna

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win they know they're gonna win the game eventually

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she's gonna relent which is probably what happens

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a lot of times they just give up and the dog

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can do whatever they want but that they're like

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that is that's going to bleed into your competition

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stuff for sure like that stuff needs to be addressed

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right um and that's that stuff's not going to

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get like i tell them that's got to get done in

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your pet life like don't be doing it in the you

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know in your obedience life because that's you

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know you don't want to do that you don't want

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to poison stuff get it done and fixed in your

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pet life and for a lot of dogs it's also it's

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impulse control it's like a sustained down stay

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right and that so for example i'll take um so

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i have all different dogs so zaina she's really

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independent wants to do what she wants to do

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doesn't really want to listen to anybody quite

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frankly because she doesn't need to um she has

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poor impulse control very high drive very opinionated

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whatever so i tend to be um lenient ish um in

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my home life sometimes just because I got have

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so much going on but I realized with her I could

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not be right because part of what she needed

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to learn was impulse control part of what she

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needed to learn was to respect me and take what

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I said as that it's meaningful because I was

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having problems also in her competition right

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because she's like What you tell me is optional.

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So in life, I had to, you know, sit at the door

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and wait. You can't go through the door till

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I say, when you go through the door, you have

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to sit. Now you have to go do a with me to the

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car, sit in the car. If I don't do that with

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her, everything slips. It goes off the cliff,

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literally in the blink of an eye. And then 300%,

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it goes off the cliff and my competition training.

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Yep. And it. It's part of it is if I am not holding

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her accountable, then she just then she says,

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well, now you don't mean it then. And therefore,

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I don't need to listen. And so that's a relationship

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thing. In order for her to respect what I say,

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I must be 100 percent consistent. Now, Zeal,

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I can let him do whatever the fuck he wants in

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life and he will still listen to me. Cause that's

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who he is. Cause he's like, now, obviously his

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safety life skills have to still be in place,

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but I can be pretty lenient. Let him run through

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the door and whatever. Because he is that all

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I have to say is zeal. And he's like, Oh my God.

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Oh my God. I'm sorry. What did I do? Help me.

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I have a very different relationship with him

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because he's a very different dog. Yes. He still

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has a strong with me. Yes. He still has downstairs.

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calm and whatnot. But in general, I can be a

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little lenient with that because his relationship

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with me is different because he's a different

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dog. Right. Exactly. He's more complicated in

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that he does care. He does respect me. But so

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I kind of let something slide. But then all of

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a sudden I realized, oh, wait, you know, he's

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a little deceptive because sometimes. In certain

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things that matter to him, like food, he will

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blow me off in training, which shows that there's

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a hole in my life skills. So I went back and

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revisited my life skills and was like, oh, I

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see there's some spots where he gives me a little

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pushback. I better iron this out. So I realized

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that he does need. He does really do much better

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with structure like Zaina does and with a lot

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of impulse control work because that's a weakness

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of his, you know? And then I realized on Friday

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when we were trying to demo with me to somebody

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because we were training together and you were

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tempting him with food and the freaking dog left

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me every time. and I was like well guess what

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we need to do so again lifelong maintenance right

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we I need to revisit that that's what I'll be

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working on this week and with food because that's

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his Achilles heel right yeah who knows maybe

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he would have left me if you just called him

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right like because these things need constant

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maintenance especially with come you know especially

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with certain dogs yeah Yeah. Well, that's why

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it's important. Like we say, like you really

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need to know your dog, learn your dog, learn

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them in your house, you know, because that's

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where you're going to see who they are. They're

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pushy. You know, there are dogs. They will freaking

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fight you tooth and nail. They will push the

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limits every single time. Like that's just who

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they are. You know, we had one this weekend,

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like probably a lot of people wouldn't have known

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it just because of the way the dog looked. that

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dog ended up being a super pushy dog and I think

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the the handler was like surprised a little bit

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and I think it was really helpful that we kind

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of opened that up for her so she could see that

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but that needs things like that like that's where

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you you really need to you really need to read

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your dog and know who they are in in life that's

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why like we're always I'm always watching them

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Like I'm always assessing them, seeing who they

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are, what they do. I watch them with the dogs.

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They, they, they do a lot when they speak a lot

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volumes of who they are, just interacting with

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the other dogs, how they interact with each other.

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Yeah. I mean like zest. Yeah. That's a huge point.

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Like how are they with each other? How are they

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with other dogs? How are they in the house? Like,

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I think people really struggle. Back to this

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person that you mentioned, I think there was

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more than one where like they're thinking certain

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issues, again, are competition issues. And I

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pretty quickly discerned like, no, these are

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like pet dog issues and relationship issues.

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And I think it's hard because it gets confusing,

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right? Like, why did the dog do this? And then

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people start thinking, well, maybe it's this,

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maybe it's that, maybe. a lot of times pet dog

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issue is something they don't even think of as

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a potential option, right? Or they're like, oh,

00:23:44.730 --> 00:23:47.009
this dog is doing this because it's this, that,

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or the other thing. And it's like, so yeah, it

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goes back to observing really objectively who

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they are in life and what are they doing in life

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and how are they acting, right? Like I told them.

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When Zaina was like seven or eight weeks old,

00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:10.319
like I have an acre fenced in. I bring her home.

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I put her on the ground and she's gone. She's

00:24:13.700 --> 00:24:17.759
like, oh, my God, look at this yard. I love it.

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Seven weeks old. I'm like, she could have cared.

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Did she check in with me? No, she's like, oh,

00:24:26.099 --> 00:24:29.339
my God, I'll be back in a couple hours. I'm going

00:24:29.339 --> 00:24:32.059
to go check this place out. And in that moment,

00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:36.680
I said to myself, like, OK, this is a very independent

00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:40.359
dog that's very confident, that is capable of

00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:43.759
entertaining herself. Therefore, when I train

00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:47.380
her, I am going to have to present things that

00:24:47.380 --> 00:24:51.259
are so highly reinforcing to her, like insanely

00:24:51.259 --> 00:24:55.740
highly reinforcing to overcome her ability to

00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:58.519
just entertain herself. And that is absolutely

00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:01.920
the case. Right. If you have a dog that like

00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:04.519
zeal, he goes two feet away from me and then

00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:07.220
immediately comes back to me. Well, that's a

00:25:07.220 --> 00:25:09.039
dog that's going to be worried. I'm going to

00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:11.140
have to put a lot of confidence in this dog.

00:25:11.619 --> 00:25:13.940
You know, I'm going to have to teach this dog

00:25:13.940 --> 00:25:16.579
to be able to work away from me like that's going

00:25:16.579 --> 00:25:19.420
to be hard for this dog. So that's all really

00:25:19.420 --> 00:25:24.220
important information to have because that holds

00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:26.519
you in their training. And then I had a student.

00:25:27.049 --> 00:25:29.490
I said, well, what is your dog find motivating?

00:25:29.730 --> 00:25:33.009
Eh, nothing really. Tell me about your dog at

00:25:33.009 --> 00:25:35.869
home. Well, what do you mean at home? Like just

00:25:35.869 --> 00:25:39.690
in life, like it was so kind of interesting.

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It was hard for this person to even understand

00:25:42.529 --> 00:25:45.910
what I was asking, right? Cause that's not what

00:25:45.910 --> 00:25:48.750
people think of. And I'm like, what does the

00:25:48.750 --> 00:25:52.710
dog like to do? Like, what does the dog find

00:25:52.710 --> 00:25:56.579
fun? right she's like oh the dog likes when I

00:25:56.579 --> 00:25:59.960
kick the ball oh good so your dog likes motion

00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:04.559
great so how about we take the food I put it

00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.500
in my hand and I did like a lot of prey drive

00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:11.740
chasing the food in my hand and the dog loved

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it went from being the dog's kind of like you

00:26:15.619 --> 00:26:20.190
know lower drive dog yeah From after two or three

00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:23.210
sessions of me doing the chasing thing, the dog

00:26:23.210 --> 00:26:26.130
kicked into prey drive and was a completely different

00:26:26.130 --> 00:26:32.509
dog. Yeah, that's crazy. When you just handed

00:26:32.509 --> 00:26:35.349
the dog food, it didn't even act like a lab.

00:26:35.829 --> 00:26:39.369
It was like, oh, thanks for the cookie. Right,

00:26:39.470 --> 00:26:42.930
right. Food like that. The dog was completely

00:26:42.930 --> 00:26:46.730
different. Right. So how did we know? Well, what

00:26:46.730 --> 00:26:51.930
is your dog like to do in life? Right. And that's

00:26:51.930 --> 00:26:55.190
real. So that's important information in terms

00:26:55.190 --> 00:27:00.170
of what does your dog find reinforcing? Right.

00:27:00.369 --> 00:27:03.609
Or can I use in my training? Like, how can I

00:27:03.609 --> 00:27:06.690
leverage that? Like, I just did a workshop on

00:27:06.690 --> 00:27:09.009
that low arousal dogs. What do they find exciting?

00:27:09.549 --> 00:27:12.190
I'm like, if your dog finds the tunnel exciting.

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Then send them through the tunnel, have them

00:27:15.930 --> 00:27:18.190
do a couple tricks, send them through the tunnel

00:27:18.190 --> 00:27:21.529
again. Dog starts to get more excited, have them

00:27:21.529 --> 00:27:24.970
do a couple of competition behaviors, send them

00:27:24.970 --> 00:27:29.150
through the tunnel. Leverage what your dog likes,

00:27:29.210 --> 00:27:33.750
but how, you know, in life, you need to analyze

00:27:33.750 --> 00:27:37.470
and get to know your dog. Yeah. Super important.

00:27:37.730 --> 00:27:43.240
Really important. Yeah. I mean, I. I like, that's

00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:46.559
all I do. I'm just always watching them, watching

00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:49.759
them, watching how they interact. But you're

00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.740
also watching them from an objective lens, like

00:27:53.740 --> 00:27:57.599
as an observer. Right. Sometimes people watch

00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:02.160
their dogs with this weird skewed lens and they're

00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.720
actually completely misinterpreting everything

00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:08.420
they're seeing. Right. Right. You know what I

00:28:08.420 --> 00:28:11.579
mean? They're like, oh, the dog's nervous. I'm

00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:17.859
like, nervous? Well, I know. I also think that,

00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:24.539
I mean, I hear a lot of like, well, the dog was

00:28:24.539 --> 00:28:27.539
in a shelter for the first two years of its life.

00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:34.579
Or the dog had, like, they kind of just. have

00:28:34.579 --> 00:28:37.480
like these ideas of who their dog are based on

00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.599
like maybe some experiences or things the dogs

00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.200
had in you know whatever and in their previous

00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:50.740
lives and i think then they use those that i

00:28:50.740 --> 00:28:52.480
don't know i don't want to say like as excuses

00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.200
but they let things go or they they yeah they

00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.640
get like a skewed perception of who their dog

00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:05.279
really is they're treating the dog as if it was

00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:10.240
still that dog that they got on day one but dogs

00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:14.000
change like dogs are so resilient and so flexible

00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.299
like just like my dogs like i've been in this

00:29:17.299 --> 00:29:21.160
airbnb what i was here like friday night like

00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:25.019
literally come in eat go to bed get up go to

00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:27.279
the building, come back, eat, go to bed, get

00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:28.960
up at the crack of dawn, go to the building.

00:29:29.339 --> 00:29:31.859
Yesterday I'm driving down, pulling up the driveway.

00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.960
Zaina's yell. She's like, Oh, we're almost home.

00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:39.859
Right. She knows it's not our home home. But

00:29:39.859 --> 00:29:42.480
then this morning they're guarding the house.

00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.680
They're like, okay, this is our home now. Right.

00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.720
I said, I was walking around going, God, they're

00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:55.480
so resilient. Like they just. Like, you're not

00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.220
like, oh, I'm so sad. Like, no, they're like,

00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:02.859
oh, we're home. Okay. And so people will often

00:30:02.859 --> 00:30:05.579
go, like you said, like, oh, my dog used to be,

00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:08.900
or I thought this was really cute. So somebody

00:30:08.900 --> 00:30:11.019
at the seminar is like, oh, my dog has a drop

00:30:11.019 --> 00:30:13.180
on recall problem. Dog does a perfect drop. I

00:30:13.180 --> 00:30:15.740
go, why do you think this drop was perfect? Because

00:30:15.740 --> 00:30:17.599
you told me you had a drop problem. Well, because

00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.880
we've been working on it really hard. I go, well,

00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.259
you fixed it. It's not a. You don't have a problem

00:30:22.259 --> 00:30:30.420
anymore. It's fixed. It's over. Now you're good.

00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:35.160
What else can we work on? Like, I know. I know

00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:41.119
they get stuck on shit. Yeah. Or like you said,

00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.339
they're like, well, my dog. No. Well, guess what?

00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.740
Maybe your dog was like that, but you know what?

00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:50.119
Your dog ain't like that today. Right now. This

00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:53.160
is not. what we're dealing with, right? Exactly.

00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:57.819
Or my favorite, and I get this a lot, is when

00:30:57.819 --> 00:31:00.279
they're saying like, oh yeah, my dog is this,

00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:02.400
that, or the other thing. And I watch, I'm like,

00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.119
all right, maybe I'm missing something, right?

00:31:05.900 --> 00:31:09.819
So I'll comment on the video. Next video, they're

00:31:09.819 --> 00:31:11.619
saying the same thing. And I'm like, yeah, I'm

00:31:11.619 --> 00:31:14.940
not seeing it. Third video, I'm like, look, that's

00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:17.420
no. Your dog is not what you're saying it is.

00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:20.700
It's not nervous or worried or anxious or whatever.

00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:24.180
I'm like, no, I'm not seeing that at all. And

00:31:24.180 --> 00:31:26.519
here's why. Look, their ears are up. They're

00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:28.680
this, they're that, the other thing. I'm like,

00:31:28.779 --> 00:31:32.299
I don't know where you're getting this information

00:31:32.299 --> 00:31:35.900
from, but this is not your dog. You know, you're

00:31:35.900 --> 00:31:40.220
right. My last dog was like that. Dude, your

00:31:40.220 --> 00:31:43.569
last dog is not your current dog. Right. And

00:31:43.569 --> 00:31:47.269
that happens a lot. Yeah, definitely. A lot.

00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:53.430
So I'm like, you need to stop putting what you

00:31:53.430 --> 00:31:57.670
think onto the dog. Right. Read the actual dog

00:31:57.670 --> 00:32:01.430
in front of you in that moment in time. What

00:32:01.430 --> 00:32:03.730
are their ears doing? What are their eyes doing?

00:32:03.809 --> 00:32:05.569
What is their breathing doing? What is their

00:32:05.569 --> 00:32:08.130
tail doing? If their ears are up and their eyes

00:32:08.130 --> 00:32:09.890
are bright and their tail is wagging, they're

00:32:09.890 --> 00:32:14.900
not stressed out. Right. exactly or anxious or

00:32:14.900 --> 00:32:20.140
afraid or whatever right you know um so i think

00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:23.779
it's hard like i tell people be a detective just

00:32:23.779 --> 00:32:27.680
gather data like what i do to separate my separate

00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:32.779
myself emotionally is when when i'm like frustrated

00:32:32.779 --> 00:32:35.380
or i'm not sure i'm like i don't know i go all

00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:39.119
right you know what pretend this is your student's

00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.750
dog This is not my dog. This is my students.

00:32:42.970 --> 00:32:46.769
And just what would I say? Because when I look

00:32:46.769 --> 00:32:49.509
at other people's dogs, I am just looking at

00:32:49.509 --> 00:32:54.170
them objectively. Right. There's no emotion involved.

00:32:54.269 --> 00:32:57.170
There's no baggage from the past, from the future,

00:32:57.210 --> 00:33:00.809
nothing. I'm just in, I'm not judging anybody.

00:33:01.069 --> 00:33:05.269
I am literally looking at the dog and analyzing

00:33:05.269 --> 00:33:09.400
data. Yeah. That's hard for Pete. It's hard.

00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.180
It's hard to get rid of that emotional component.

00:33:12.980 --> 00:33:15.400
Like that's what I hear all the time. I, a big

00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.940
one is like, Oh, I feel, I just feel bad for

00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:21.140
him. I'm like, what? Your dog lives a freaking

00:33:21.140 --> 00:33:25.220
like better life than I do. Oh my God. Right.

00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:29.259
Like our dog. I'm like, I want to come back as

00:33:29.259 --> 00:33:33.460
one of my dogs. Yeah. Right. Because Holy Lana,

00:33:33.619 --> 00:33:36.980
do they have good lives? Right. really good lives

00:33:36.980 --> 00:33:41.059
really good lives for sure yeah I think that

00:33:41.059 --> 00:33:46.619
yeah so the key is you need to be somehow come

00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:50.279
up with a strategy to separate yourself emotionally

00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:55.619
yeah from the situation because that always will

00:33:55.619 --> 00:34:00.970
100 % of the time skew your skew your decision

00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:03.490
-making and never to the good, right? Like anytime

00:34:03.490 --> 00:34:06.170
I'm emotional, I never come up with the right

00:34:06.170 --> 00:34:10.670
answer ever, never 0 % of the time. Emotions

00:34:10.670 --> 00:34:16.389
absolutely are a hindrance, right? So separate,

00:34:16.409 --> 00:34:20.570
being able to separate your, go, okay, I'm emotional.

00:34:21.230 --> 00:34:25.170
So I should not be making any decisions until

00:34:25.170 --> 00:34:29.789
I can separate myself from that. and objectively

00:34:29.789 --> 00:34:34.349
look at what's happening. And then that's the

00:34:34.349 --> 00:34:37.329
only time you can really analyze and come up

00:34:37.329 --> 00:34:43.829
with valuable information. Yeah. And just thinking

00:34:43.829 --> 00:34:47.670
about like the emotions because I'm just thinking

00:34:47.670 --> 00:34:53.210
like, I think some people may all of a sudden

00:34:53.210 --> 00:34:56.889
be like, wow, my dog really doesn't listen to

00:34:56.889 --> 00:35:01.670
me. Like you can't then get angry and like you

00:35:01.670 --> 00:35:04.590
have to teach these skills, right? Like they're,

00:35:04.590 --> 00:35:07.590
you're, you know, that's up to you. You're the

00:35:07.590 --> 00:35:10.010
one that got the puppy. You're the one that got

00:35:10.010 --> 00:35:13.650
the dog. Like it's up to you to train your dog,

00:35:13.750 --> 00:35:16.170
not just for competition stuff, but also for

00:35:16.170 --> 00:35:18.869
life skills. So you can't then go like, wow,

00:35:19.050 --> 00:35:21.449
my dog really doesn't listen. My dog really doesn't

00:35:21.449 --> 00:35:23.730
recall. And then like hammer down on the dog.

00:35:23.769 --> 00:35:27.010
You know, you can't do that either. Make sure

00:35:27.010 --> 00:35:29.869
you stay on a moat. Like when I have to deal

00:35:29.869 --> 00:35:33.489
with some of my pet life skills, like if there's

00:35:33.489 --> 00:35:35.809
a weakness or a hole where I'm like, oh wow,

00:35:35.969 --> 00:35:38.349
I don't think I really taught that well enough.

00:35:38.849 --> 00:35:42.210
I'm not going to get. angry about it you know

00:35:42.210 --> 00:35:45.030
I'm not going to get rough with my dog I'm going

00:35:45.030 --> 00:35:47.489
to take that emotional component out I'm very

00:35:47.489 --> 00:35:50.389
neutral when I do all that stuff even if I have

00:35:50.389 --> 00:35:53.469
to give a correction in pet life I stay I try

00:35:53.469 --> 00:35:55.849
to stay very neutral it's hard sometimes because

00:35:55.849 --> 00:35:57.809
we get pissed and annoyed and we're rushing or

00:35:57.809 --> 00:36:01.530
whatever but I try to stay very neutral in all

00:36:01.530 --> 00:36:04.860
that and then if you have to teach it then you

00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:07.019
need to teach it like you teach anything else

00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:10.300
with patience and and guidance until your dog

00:36:10.300 --> 00:36:13.880
understands it yeah because it's on us just like

00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.000
yeah that with me the other day where zesty's

00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.420
going to you because you have potato chips or

00:36:19.420 --> 00:36:23.820
whatever i'm like oh i said i need i need to

00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:27.940
work on that yeah because clearly i have let

00:36:27.940 --> 00:36:30.860
that slip, or maybe he just needs a refresher,

00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:34.980
but that's on me, right? It's a hole that I need

00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:38.639
to go and address. So I'm going to go back to

00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:41.980
the basic training for that and refresh it and

00:36:41.980 --> 00:36:45.519
get it back up to where it needs to be. So yeah,

00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:48.519
we need to take responsibility for the fact that

00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.519
there's either a hole in our training or the

00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:53.619
training just got weak and we need to refresh

00:36:53.619 --> 00:36:57.239
it. Like it's always everything the dog does

00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:01.519
is just a reflection of what it's been taught

00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.639
to do or not taught to do and what's been maintained

00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.719
or not maintained. Like, yeah, that's just the

00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:11.719
reality. Like it's a function of that. Yeah.

00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:16.539
Yeah. So, yeah. So I think home, home life. The

00:37:16.539 --> 00:37:19.619
observation part, super important. You get to

00:37:19.619 --> 00:37:21.460
know your dog. You should know what your dog

00:37:21.460 --> 00:37:23.760
likes and doesn't like, what excites your dog,

00:37:23.820 --> 00:37:26.599
what doesn't excite your dog. You know, who is

00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.059
your dog's personality? Because that's relevant

00:37:29.059 --> 00:37:33.739
in training. Life skills should be in place,

00:37:33.780 --> 00:37:36.980
A, first and foremost for their safety because

00:37:36.980 --> 00:37:39.820
that always trumps everything. And, you know,

00:37:39.860 --> 00:37:44.460
when they're competing or training. If, you know,

00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:48.760
if their life skill breaks and they something

00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:52.039
bad happens, you need to take that's on you.

00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:57.019
That is 100 percent your fault and nobody else's

00:37:57.019 --> 00:38:00.900
fault. And that should never happen because it's

00:38:00.900 --> 00:38:03.320
not just your dog. You're putting other dogs

00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:07.539
at risk. And that's, you know, really acceptable.

00:38:07.900 --> 00:38:13.460
Yeah. And if at some point. And in your training,

00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.599
if you're struggling with something, asking yourself

00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:21.679
if this is a life skill issue should be on the

00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:25.840
table, right? Like you should ask yourself, hmm,

00:38:26.019 --> 00:38:31.820
could the underlying cause be a weakness in either

00:38:31.820 --> 00:38:39.760
a life skill and or in like just a hole in our

00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.780
relationship, right? Like if I sit here and say

00:38:43.780 --> 00:38:48.440
to my dogs right now in the house, come or down

00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:52.639
or do something and they're not responsive. Why

00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.019
would they be responsive when I'm when I'm training

00:38:56.019 --> 00:39:00.139
and I say, come on a recall or down like. Right.

00:39:01.340 --> 00:39:06.039
A cue is a cue is a cue. Yeah. You know, so sometimes

00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.539
when people say like down, down, down in a competition.

00:39:11.610 --> 00:39:14.829
Or, you know, competition skill training scenario.

00:39:16.050 --> 00:39:18.789
Maybe that's a life skill relationship problem

00:39:18.789 --> 00:39:22.869
because your dog doesn't respect your cues. Not

00:39:22.869 --> 00:39:25.349
because the dog's a jerk, but because you don't.

00:39:25.750 --> 00:39:29.170
You're not consistent. Right. I usually will

00:39:29.170 --> 00:39:32.289
just say, so how many times do you have to say

00:39:32.289 --> 00:39:36.869
that until he actually does it? Because you're

00:39:36.869 --> 00:39:39.630
on the fourth one. And then the first is like,

00:39:39.750 --> 00:39:43.880
oh. The funny thing is the awareness, right?

00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.960
Like, I'll say to somebody, how many times did

00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.059
you just tell them to sit? And they look at me

00:39:50.059 --> 00:39:53.559
like, I don't know, two? And I'm like, try five.

00:39:54.079 --> 00:40:01.079
Right. Oh. Like, you're not even aware. And I'm

00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:04.619
like, you need to pay attention. Oh. That's my

00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:06.780
favorite because I count things all the time.

00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:10.559
Me too. I'm like, I'll count it in my head. Like

00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.780
one, two, three, four. And I'm like, so how many

00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:18.860
times? They're never right. They're never right.

00:40:18.860 --> 00:40:21.380
They always underestimate. I'm like, oh, my God.

00:40:21.539 --> 00:40:24.619
You need to work on your counting skills. That's

00:40:24.619 --> 00:40:29.019
right. Pay attention. Pay attention. All right.

00:40:29.619 --> 00:40:34.989
All right. Work on your life skills. God. All

00:40:34.989 --> 00:40:37.849
right. Someday I'll be back in New Jersey. Maybe.

00:40:40.409 --> 00:40:43.469
Hopefully. All right. Bye.
