WEBVTT 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:08.320 You're tuned into zero signal a show about what 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.539 they won't say and what you're probably already 00:00:10.539 --> 00:00:14.980 thinking No fluff. No filters. No bullshit. Let's 00:00:14.980 --> 00:00:24.719 crack it open Back to zero signal man. It's been 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:27.219 a long time since I've been on this show It feels 00:00:27.219 --> 00:00:30.320 good to be back here in person with you tonight 00:00:30.570 --> 00:00:32.390 We're talking about something really interesting. 00:00:32.590 --> 00:00:35.090 We're going to explore some weird stuff, some 00:00:35.090 --> 00:00:37.649 unexplained stuff, and quite frankly, stuff that 00:00:37.649 --> 00:00:39.969 keeps us up at night. We're stepping into something 00:00:39.969 --> 00:00:43.609 I think that is truly fascinating. Something 00:00:43.609 --> 00:00:45.829 that sets right at the crossroads of government 00:00:45.829 --> 00:00:49.469 secrecy, UFOs, and old school spiritual warfare. 00:00:50.070 --> 00:00:52.329 Yeah. And this one's been bubbling up again lately, 00:00:52.509 --> 00:00:55.350 especially with the fresh chatter on UAP disclosure. 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:57.859 and even some high profile comments from people 00:00:57.859 --> 00:01:00.579 in very powerful positions. Imagine this, what 00:01:00.579 --> 00:01:03.380 if a quiet faction inside the Pentagon, the intelligence 00:01:03.380 --> 00:01:05.700 community, the Department of Defense doesn't 00:01:05.700 --> 00:01:07.819 believe we're being visited by little green men 00:01:07.819 --> 00:01:10.859 from Mars, but by something far more ancient 00:01:10.859 --> 00:01:14.060 and sinister. Yeah, Ben, that is crazy. That's 00:01:14.060 --> 00:01:16.019 exactly what we're talking about tonight. They 00:01:16.019 --> 00:01:18.739 call it the Collins elite, an alleged shadowy 00:01:18.739 --> 00:01:21.640 network of insiders, many with strong Christian 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:23.760 backgrounds who have reportedly looked at the 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.200 same UFO and UAP data that everyone else has. 00:01:27.700 --> 00:01:29.939 And you know what? They come to a very different 00:01:29.939 --> 00:01:33.739 conclusion. They don't see aliens. They see deception. 00:01:34.140 --> 00:01:36.780 They see fallen angels. They see demons masquerading 00:01:36.780 --> 00:01:39.420 as aliens preparing humanity for something much 00:01:39.420 --> 00:01:42.379 bigger, maybe even apocalyptic. And before we 00:01:42.379 --> 00:01:44.640 go too deep, let's be clear, this isn't some 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:46.719 official government agency with a budget line 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.319 and websites. It's more like an informal old 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:51.939 guard network that's supposedly been influenced 00:01:51.939 --> 00:01:54.799 by things behind the scenes for decades. Popularized 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:57.359 by Nick Redfern in his book, Final Events, but 00:01:57.359 --> 00:01:59.219 recently getting a fresh attention because of 00:01:59.219 --> 00:02:03.400 people like former AATIP director Luis Alessandro 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.459 had basically said, yeah, I've run into these 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:07.939 elements of this group firsthand. Yeah, man. 00:02:08.020 --> 00:02:10.919 That book is crazy. Final events. I've read snippets 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:13.599 of it, but yeah, that's some wild ground. And 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:15.439 you know what's even kind of crazier? Have you 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.340 recently heard what our vice president JD Vance 00:02:18.340 --> 00:02:22.300 said? He's saying that aliens he believes in 00:02:22.300 --> 00:02:25.199 you ways are actually demons. He kind of takes 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:27.159 it from this Christian worldview, right? The 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:29.699 conversation feels more. I think relevant than 00:02:29.699 --> 00:02:32.539 ever. Is this just, you know, kind of religious 00:02:32.539 --> 00:02:35.319 fundamentalism blocking disclosure, or is there 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.020 a deeper truth here that some insiders have been 00:02:38.020 --> 00:02:41.199 wrestling with for many generations? Well, tonight 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:43.340 we're going to unpack the history, the key claims, 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:46.020 who's allegedly involved, what insiders have 00:02:46.020 --> 00:02:48.460 reportedly said, and why this theory still refuses 00:02:48.460 --> 00:02:52.259 to die in 2026. Buckle up. This one gets uncomfortable 00:02:52.259 --> 00:02:54.550 in the best kind of way. Heck yeah, man. Let's 00:02:54.550 --> 00:03:21.930 dive in. Yeah, that's a great synopsis. The concept 00:03:21.930 --> 00:03:24.479 of Collins Elite was largely brought into the 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:26.800 public awareness by researcher Nick Redfern, 00:03:26.900 --> 00:03:30.439 who described a faction of high level military 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:34.120 and Intel officials with these deeply religious 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.379 worldviews. Many of them holding Christian worldviews. 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.199 According to this account, these individuals 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:43.000 interpreted UFO encounters, not as scientific 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.099 anomalies, but more like a spiritual deception. 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:49.020 In their view, the phenomenon, you know, represents 00:03:49.020 --> 00:03:52.099 an ongoing manipulation of humanities by these 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:56.139 entities or demons masquerading as aliens, when 00:03:56.139 --> 00:03:58.539 in reality they're something far more ancient. 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.500 What some would actually describe as fallen angels 00:04:01.500 --> 00:04:04.000 or demonic forces. Kind of piggyback on your 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:06.520 fallen angels thing. The claim is that they're 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:09.300 aiming to manipulate humanity towards spiritual 00:04:09.300 --> 00:04:11.680 corruption and they're trying to manifest these 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.580 apocalyptic in time events. Ultimately, this 00:04:14.580 --> 00:04:16.519 is going to lead to a great deception. And I 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.899 find it interesting that we see this, you know, 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:22.790 this war gone on with Iran. We can kind of tie 00:04:22.790 --> 00:04:26.189 some of the revelations, gog make gog stuff into 00:04:26.189 --> 00:04:29.410 this. It seems that a lot of people, especially 00:04:29.410 --> 00:04:31.850 Christian Zionists and evangelical Christians 00:04:31.850 --> 00:04:34.509 are trying to bring about the second coming of 00:04:34.509 --> 00:04:37.410 Jesus Christ. I think it's scary. God doesn't 00:04:37.410 --> 00:04:41.310 need our help to bring Christ back. So sometimes 00:04:41.310 --> 00:04:45.310 I wonder what the, what the intention of that 00:04:45.310 --> 00:04:48.029 really stems from, but to kind of get back on 00:04:48.029 --> 00:04:51.009 the topic. So. these people in this supposed 00:04:51.009 --> 00:04:54.970 group think that these, these UFOs are, like 00:04:54.970 --> 00:04:58.670 you said, ultimately fallen angels, demons, or 00:04:58.670 --> 00:05:01.769 other sort of satanic type manipulations. Yeah, 00:05:01.790 --> 00:05:04.310 that's a great point. Right. And we do think 00:05:04.310 --> 00:05:06.310 that that was my first thought is thinking about 00:05:06.310 --> 00:05:09.069 the Iran conflict that's going on right now. 00:05:09.410 --> 00:05:12.069 You know, you hear a lot in the news that Trump 00:05:12.069 --> 00:05:15.439 and his cohort. Is it Pete Hagsworth, whoever 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:18.180 the Department of War Chair is? Hegseth, yeah. 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.279 Hegseth, that's it. They're on this mission to 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:23.139 bring back Christ. And a lot of times when I 00:05:23.139 --> 00:05:26.759 hear that, because in the Bible it says, nobody 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:29.579 knows Jesus' return, but God himself. And when 00:05:29.579 --> 00:05:31.620 I hear people be like, Jesus is going to return 00:05:31.620 --> 00:05:33.620 tomorrow. Jesus is going to return on Easter. 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.220 Jesus is going to return during these times. 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:38.800 I usually think we're that much further away. 00:05:39.579 --> 00:05:42.490 And I don't think humanity in and of itself. 00:05:43.069 --> 00:05:45.889 It can in its downfall state, but not an act 00:05:45.889 --> 00:05:49.430 of buying or selling or taking over can actually 00:05:49.430 --> 00:05:53.290 bring Christ's return. So I usually hear those 00:05:53.290 --> 00:05:56.149 things and perhaps they are. I know I've heard 00:05:56.149 --> 00:05:59.069 some stories where Pete thinks he's like a modern 00:05:59.069 --> 00:06:02.069 day Knights Templar and he has his holy war now 00:06:02.069 --> 00:06:04.089 in Iran. I don't know how much I buy into that. 00:06:04.170 --> 00:06:06.029 You see a lot of these guys and they don't exactly 00:06:06.029 --> 00:06:08.110 strike me as super religious in the first place. 00:06:08.329 --> 00:06:09.569 I don't know if they'd be on the right side of 00:06:09.569 --> 00:06:11.790 revelation or not anyways when they're doing 00:06:11.790 --> 00:06:14.649 that stuff. So it is pretty interesting to follow 00:06:14.649 --> 00:06:18.110 along with it. We do see, however, the warning 00:06:18.110 --> 00:06:20.810 signs inside the Pentagon. And this belief system 00:06:20.810 --> 00:06:22.990 isn't just theoretical, it will reportedly surface 00:06:22.990 --> 00:06:25.269 in real conversations with the US government. 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:27.959 Now, I think, imagine this, a secure Pentagon 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:31.519 office, quiet and windowless, where senior official 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:33.560 leans forward and asks, have you read your Bible 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.879 lately? Not as a casual conversation, but as 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:39.379 a warning. Former Intel official, Luis Elizondo, 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:42.019 has described encounters with individuals who 00:06:42.019 --> 00:06:44.889 have held these views. People who believe that 00:06:44.889 --> 00:06:48.250 investigating UAPs was not just misguided, but 00:06:48.250 --> 00:06:51.269 potentially dangerous. To them, curiosity about 00:06:51.269 --> 00:06:54.329 the phenomenon wasn't really a scientific inquiry. 00:06:54.529 --> 00:06:56.889 It was about exposure. Yeah. I just kind of want 00:06:56.889 --> 00:06:58.670 to circle back to your point. You know, so there 00:06:58.670 --> 00:07:01.889 was that whole message to the troops where America's 00:07:01.889 --> 00:07:03.769 helping bring back the second coming of Jesus 00:07:03.769 --> 00:07:06.410 Christ. He poses the question, do these guys 00:07:06.410 --> 00:07:09.170 read their Bible? I don't, A, you don't want 00:07:09.170 --> 00:07:11.110 to live in the tribulation, right? Like it's 00:07:11.110 --> 00:07:13.750 going to be terrible for everyone. And I don't, 00:07:14.009 --> 00:07:16.250 again, if you read the Bible, there's a great 00:07:16.250 --> 00:07:19.589 falling away of Christians and people who don't 00:07:19.589 --> 00:07:22.550 give up their faith, people who won't renounce 00:07:22.550 --> 00:07:24.189 the name of Jesus Christ, people who don't take 00:07:24.189 --> 00:07:27.209 the mark of the beast. They're going to be executed. 00:07:28.230 --> 00:07:30.709 I almost feel like they kind of skip a lot of 00:07:30.709 --> 00:07:33.870 these chapters that happen from the start of 00:07:33.870 --> 00:07:36.649 revelations to the coming back of Jesus Christ. 00:07:37.149 --> 00:07:39.990 So why would you, A, like I said before, God 00:07:39.990 --> 00:07:42.980 doesn't need your help. B. Why would you want 00:07:42.980 --> 00:07:46.360 to subject yourself to probably arguably the 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:50.860 worst time on earth and in humanity? And third, 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:52.800 I don't think Jesus is telling you to go around 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:54.959 and bombing people and killing people and fighting 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.980 wars for, I don't know, for whatever reasons 00:07:57.980 --> 00:08:01.800 they propose. Like Christ is about, I mean, we're 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:03.699 given the great commission. We're supposed to 00:08:03.699 --> 00:08:06.480 spread the message of Jesus Christ. We're not 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:08.579 supposed to be spreading that message by blowing 00:08:08.579 --> 00:08:13.519 the crap out. But I don't want to digress. I 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.579 just get a little bit, I get a little bit confused 00:08:16.579 --> 00:08:21.079 by anyone who's saying that they're helping Jesus 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:24.379 come back. And in my opinion, when the false 00:08:24.379 --> 00:08:26.959 prophet, the false Messiah comes, I think a lot 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:29.300 of the Jews are going to think that that is Jesus 00:08:29.300 --> 00:08:32.100 Christ. We're going to see it as the anti -Christ. 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.080 And sometimes I wonder with this conflation of 00:08:35.179 --> 00:08:37.779 Christian Zionism are all these Christians going 00:08:37.779 --> 00:08:40.539 to think that when the Jewish Messiah comes back, 00:08:40.700 --> 00:08:43.279 which I think is going to, or who the people 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.259 that the Jews think is the Messiah, I think it 00:08:46.259 --> 00:08:48.860 will probably be the Antichrist. And are we all 00:08:48.860 --> 00:08:51.019 going to say, oh yeah, Jesus has come back and 00:08:51.019 --> 00:08:52.519 we're all going to kind of fall away and give 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:54.259 up our faith. That's a completely different rabbit 00:08:54.259 --> 00:08:56.159 hole. And we'll probably edit some of this from 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:00.220 the podcast completely off topic, but anyway. 00:09:00.590 --> 00:09:03.789 Back to the Collins elite here. This kind of 00:09:03.789 --> 00:09:05.929 reminds me of our first episode that we did the 00:09:05.929 --> 00:09:08.250 project blue beam about the great deception in 00:09:08.250 --> 00:09:10.149 the sky. We've always said this, all of these 00:09:10.149 --> 00:09:12.870 weird conspiracies kind of tie in together. You 00:09:12.870 --> 00:09:16.710 and I like to look at what's out there and try 00:09:16.710 --> 00:09:19.169 to find the truth into it. I wholeheartedly think 00:09:19.169 --> 00:09:20.990 that part of the great deception is going to 00:09:20.990 --> 00:09:24.399 be something AKA extraterrestrial. And it's interesting 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:27.019 that now you have all these JD Vans came out 00:09:27.019 --> 00:09:29.779 and gave his opinion about what he thinks UFOs 00:09:29.779 --> 00:09:32.240 are. He thinks they're demonic. You had Matt 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:34.720 Gaetz come out on some podcasts saying he was 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:38.519 briefed on human alien hybrid programs, trying 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:41.679 to interbreed humans with aliens so they can, 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:44.559 I think, intergalactically communicate. It's 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:46.620 all wild. Like all this stuff is starting to 00:09:46.620 --> 00:09:49.419 come out in the mainstream narrative. Whereas 00:09:49.419 --> 00:09:52.100 before. people would say this stuff and they 00:09:52.100 --> 00:09:54.120 would be considered, you know, schizophrenic, 00:09:54.139 --> 00:09:56.259 crazy. They've lost their mind or, you know, 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:59.000 they're grifters. But now you have these big 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:02.740 people in government coming out and just throwing 00:10:02.740 --> 00:10:05.139 these narratives back out there into the mainstream. 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:06.879 I think it's really fascinating, especially when 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.440 a vice president, right? Gates is a little bit 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:11.500 of a Looney Tune for me. I know he was talking 00:10:11.500 --> 00:10:14.139 about, you know, aliens breeding with people 00:10:14.139 --> 00:10:15.960 they captured and like doing all kinds of weird 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:19.450 stuff. But I think with the VP coming out and 00:10:19.450 --> 00:10:22.549 kind of saying the same thing and the fact that 00:10:22.549 --> 00:10:25.210 He believes aliens are a demonic entity in some 00:10:25.210 --> 00:10:27.990 way shape or form Which a lot of people do right 00:10:27.990 --> 00:10:30.029 like a lot of people believe that above the firmament 00:10:30.029 --> 00:10:32.110 It's kind of where the angels and demons are 00:10:32.110 --> 00:10:34.730 and that's kind of how we interact with them 00:10:34.730 --> 00:10:36.629 And they're in different forms right like I think 00:10:36.629 --> 00:10:38.889 of the it's like the crazy clock in heaven right 00:10:38.889 --> 00:10:41.809 that has like Ten eyeballs and 15 hands and it's 00:10:41.809 --> 00:10:44.009 like an angel right like but it looks very weird 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:47.220 And I could see people interpreting either demonic 00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:50.519 or angelic signs as an extraterrestrial alien, 00:10:50.620 --> 00:10:53.460 because it's nothing that we have similar in 00:10:53.460 --> 00:10:56.659 this world. But, you know, when we set the modern 00:10:56.659 --> 00:10:59.919 figures aside, this is something that's been 00:10:59.919 --> 00:11:02.879 kind of in the background for a while. And it 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.559 kind of goes back to these cult roots and like 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.700 these historical echoes, right? The theory becomes, 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.379 I think, even more unsettling when it intersects 00:11:11.379 --> 00:11:14.659 with figures from the past. Crowley, which was 00:11:14.659 --> 00:11:17.539 in a famous occultist, once sketched an entity 00:11:17.539 --> 00:11:20.480 known as a lamb, a figure that bears a striking 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:23.700 resemblance to what we now call gray aliens. 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:29.519 Decades later, Jack Parsons, this guy was a pioneering 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:33.559 rocket scientist and co -founder of Jet Propulsion 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.820 Laboratory, conducted ritual experiments intended 00:11:36.820 --> 00:11:39.700 to contact non -human intelligence. Within a 00:11:39.700 --> 00:11:41.980 year of those experiments, the Roswell incident 00:11:41.980 --> 00:11:45.519 would enter public record. For those who subscribe 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.500 to the Collins elite perspective, these events 00:11:48.500 --> 00:11:51.919 are not just isolated, they are connected and 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:55.159 suggesting that UFO phenomenon may have roots, 00:11:55.700 --> 00:11:58.700 not just in outer space, but also in these occult 00:11:58.700 --> 00:12:01.399 practices and people trying to contact these 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:03.980 demons and bring them forth historically. Yeah, 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.460 it's interesting. And, you know, Crowley and 00:12:06.460 --> 00:12:09.669 Jack Parsons were pretty big names. both in, 00:12:09.669 --> 00:12:13.029 well, Parsons more so in the scientific community, 00:12:13.649 --> 00:12:17.230 but they were both big names in the occult. You 00:12:17.230 --> 00:12:19.230 know, that was around the forties and fifties. 00:12:19.289 --> 00:12:21.289 So it's interesting that the origins of the Collins 00:12:21.289 --> 00:12:24.110 elite dates back to that, to those two decades. 00:12:24.529 --> 00:12:27.230 So, you know, amid the early waves of UFO sightings 00:12:27.230 --> 00:12:30.009 during the cold war, according to accounts, it 00:12:30.009 --> 00:12:33.889 formed a splinter faction from official UFO investigations 00:12:33.889 --> 00:12:36.409 like project blue book and earlier inquiries 00:12:36.409 --> 00:12:39.899 into Incidents such as the 1947 Roswell crash. 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:43.860 Insiders allegedly concluded these events defied 00:12:43.860 --> 00:12:47.259 conventional extraterrestrial explanations, lacking 00:12:47.259 --> 00:12:49.620 consistent physical evidence like crash, craft 00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:52.240 debris that align with advanced alien technology. 00:12:52.340 --> 00:12:54.639 And we've all seen the pictures of the Roswell 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:56.519 crash. You have this guy holding up what looks 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.440 like tin foil. You know, you got to look at it. 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:03.120 You're like, an alien flies on tin foil? Like, 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:05.779 well, what is this crap? Part of me thinks that 00:13:05.779 --> 00:13:08.240 that picture was staged to, you know, make it 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.340 look like a weather balloon or something stupid 00:13:10.340 --> 00:13:13.240 to kind of discredit the story. Ultimately, a 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.379 lot of these, a lot of the exhibited traits of 00:13:16.379 --> 00:13:20.059 these craft, like you said, exhibit supernatural 00:13:20.059 --> 00:13:24.139 traits such as like shape shifting, abductions 00:13:24.139 --> 00:13:27.799 happen with telepathic communication, and we've 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.320 all seen the videos and these crafts pretty much 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:33.090 violate all laws of physics. So a lot of this 00:13:33.090 --> 00:13:35.370 kind of points back to some of these occult practices. 00:13:35.429 --> 00:13:37.649 And it's interesting because you spoke of lamb, 00:13:37.970 --> 00:13:41.850 the entity that Crowley quote unquote conjured. 00:13:42.269 --> 00:13:45.090 And that was right around 1947. I can't remember 00:13:45.090 --> 00:13:48.210 the exact date, but I think it was in 46 or 47. 00:13:49.029 --> 00:13:52.090 So he claimed that he opened a portal and this 00:13:52.090 --> 00:13:56.750 is kind of when all this UFO, UAP, these abductions, 00:13:57.169 --> 00:14:01.429 all this kind of crazy alien stuff. hit the social 00:14:01.429 --> 00:14:07.110 zeitgeist. And I think a natural sort of pushback 00:14:07.110 --> 00:14:10.090 to it would be a group of scientists and government 00:14:10.090 --> 00:14:13.850 officials that have a specific religious view 00:14:13.850 --> 00:14:17.409 or maybe even have some insider knowledge would, 00:14:17.590 --> 00:14:20.210 I think it's natural for them to form a group 00:14:20.210 --> 00:14:24.610 as a kind of a counter movement to what Crowley 00:14:24.610 --> 00:14:27.639 and Parsons were doing. All really great points. 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:29.539 You know, one of the things I was thinking about 00:14:29.539 --> 00:14:32.559 as you were talking through that is CERN. And 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:34.759 you remember watching the video with CERN where 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:38.620 these people put on this ritual in front of the 00:14:38.620 --> 00:14:41.620 monument that stands in front of the CERN collider. 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:43.500 Like I think it's right to the entrance or something. 00:14:43.580 --> 00:14:46.360 Yeah, it's a Shiva or something. Yeah, it's a 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.379 Shiva and they're doing like some type of ritual. 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:50.940 They said a ritual sacrifice, which later came 00:14:50.940 --> 00:14:52.960 out that they thought it was just a hoax or whatever. 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.419 Who knows? You get these, this is maybe one of 00:14:56.419 --> 00:14:58.940 my like distrust with scientists. You get these 00:14:58.940 --> 00:15:01.779 people that are highly educated. They're clearly 00:15:01.779 --> 00:15:04.820 very smart. And it always seems like they end 00:15:04.820 --> 00:15:07.080 up with some kind of connective tissue to like 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.299 demonic things. And it always kind of just raises 00:15:10.299 --> 00:15:13.799 this red flag for me. It's so weird to hear about 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.720 Crowley and Lamb and all this stuff for highly 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:18.600 educated people. I mean, they're like the fat, 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:20.559 like what was the founders of jet propulsion? 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.279 I just find it odd how they go down this weird 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:26.899 winding pathway. They want to say that they disbelieve 00:15:26.899 --> 00:15:29.019 in God. They're so smart that they must be smarter 00:15:29.019 --> 00:15:30.759 than God because they don't believe in him. But 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.659 at the same token, they're conjuring demons and 00:15:33.659 --> 00:15:35.980 doing all kinds of weird shit. So I think it's 00:15:35.980 --> 00:15:38.500 a lot like the intelligence agencies. It's very 00:15:38.500 --> 00:15:40.899 compartmentalized, right? You know, you've heard 00:15:40.899 --> 00:15:43.340 stories of Area 51 and people working on these 00:15:43.340 --> 00:15:46.700 black projects. Heck, you know, even with 9 -11, 00:15:46.899 --> 00:15:48.659 like you'd have certain intelligence agencies 00:15:48.659 --> 00:15:50.860 that would have Certain pieces of information 00:15:50.860 --> 00:15:53.139 work on it. They never shared anything and I 00:15:53.139 --> 00:15:55.779 think it's a lot like that I think these scientists 00:15:55.779 --> 00:15:58.340 I think there's someone at the top that understands 00:15:58.340 --> 00:16:00.279 what they're trying to do, but they're like hey 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.019 you're working on You know particle physics you're 00:16:03.019 --> 00:16:05.620 working on the hardware to make this machine 00:16:05.620 --> 00:16:08.519 You're working on you can name anything right 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:10.639 and they're kind of piecing together They're 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:12.519 part of the puzzle and they can hand that puzzle 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:15.059 piece off to the ultimate architect And they're 00:16:15.059 --> 00:16:17.620 the ones fitting it in so I could see why a low 00:16:17.620 --> 00:16:22.269 -level scientist I mean, if you look at scientists 00:16:22.269 --> 00:16:26.350 today, 40, 50 years ago, most of them didn't 00:16:26.350 --> 00:16:29.529 believe in God. Fast forward to today, even if 00:16:29.529 --> 00:16:32.710 they don't call God, God or Jesus, Jesus, they 00:16:32.710 --> 00:16:34.950 still believe that. There's very few exceptions 00:16:34.950 --> 00:16:38.330 that most of them believe in a creator. So that 00:16:38.330 --> 00:16:42.049 as people unravel physics and the nature of our 00:16:42.049 --> 00:16:45.570 reality, they say it's virtually impossible for 00:16:45.570 --> 00:16:49.210 this to happen randomly. Kind of to go back to 00:16:49.210 --> 00:16:52.389 your point, I think these people, a lot of the 00:16:52.389 --> 00:16:53.909 people at CERN probably have no freaking clue 00:16:53.909 --> 00:16:55.409 what they're doing. They see the statue and they're 00:16:55.409 --> 00:16:58.809 like, okay, some weird, I don't know, occult 00:16:58.809 --> 00:17:02.389 crap that, I don't know, I just need a job. I 00:17:02.389 --> 00:17:05.250 love science and I want to do my art and they're 00:17:05.250 --> 00:17:06.730 paying me tons of money and I get to be a part 00:17:06.730 --> 00:17:11.109 of something huge. But I think ultimately they 00:17:11.109 --> 00:17:13.450 hold a piece of the puzzle, they hand it off 00:17:13.450 --> 00:17:15.630 and this other person is putting the pieces in 00:17:15.630 --> 00:17:18.440 to make the picture. I think when you think about 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:20.799 reinterpreting some of these alien encounters, 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.440 through this lens, I think even a modern alien 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:27.140 abduction report takes on a different meaning. 00:17:27.420 --> 00:17:30.640 Experiences involving sleep paralysis, shadowy 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.640 figures, telepathic communications, and overwhelming 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.960 fear are no longer seen at these neurological 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:40.200 anomalies or misidentified phenomenon, and instead 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.660 they are viewed as encounters with deceptive 00:17:42.660 --> 00:17:45.259 entities. Some individuals have even reported 00:17:45.259 --> 00:17:48.000 that invoking prayer or religious language disrupt 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.200 these experiences. A detail that I think that 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.940 reinforces the belief that these are not kind 00:17:53.940 --> 00:17:56.319 of like these technological beings, but something 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.539 operating on this different, possibly spiritual 00:17:59.539 --> 00:18:03.099 level according to them, which I'm a believer 00:18:03.099 --> 00:18:07.619 in. I believe in the Bible from beginning to 00:18:07.619 --> 00:18:10.460 end. I'm a believer in Christ. Don't know man. 00:18:10.460 --> 00:18:13.359 I I think there are demons and aliens not aliens 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:15.539 but I think there are demons and angels out there 00:18:15.539 --> 00:18:19.559 that could easily be misinterpreted because Revelations 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.119 has some crazy angels out there man as they describe 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:25.779 them and they can and the demons and the Free 00:18:25.779 --> 00:18:28.759 will on this planet and they can reach out and 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:30.960 and do some bad things to you Yeah, and I just 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:33.319 kind of want to piggyback on what you said, you 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.579 know If you invoke the name of Jesus Christ these 00:18:35.579 --> 00:18:38.349 quote -unquote abductions stop Which is, which 00:18:38.349 --> 00:18:41.309 is very interesting in and of itself. Yeah. But 00:18:41.309 --> 00:18:44.410 you know, in the Bible, Christ did give us powers 00:18:44.410 --> 00:18:47.849 over the demons to cast them out, to put them 00:18:47.849 --> 00:18:51.329 out of our experience. And then with others too, 00:18:51.490 --> 00:18:53.150 I mean, there's certain types of demons that 00:18:53.150 --> 00:18:55.809 can only be removed with prayer and fasting, 00:18:56.289 --> 00:18:57.809 but Christ didn't give us that power. And I find 00:18:57.809 --> 00:19:00.730 it super interesting that thousands upon thousands 00:19:00.730 --> 00:19:02.809 of accounts of people invoking in the name of 00:19:02.809 --> 00:19:05.450 Christ and the experience stopping immediately. 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.140 Not a coincidence that a group like the Collins 00:19:09.140 --> 00:19:12.900 elite, which again, I need to stress, it's not 00:19:12.900 --> 00:19:15.519 an official government agency, all this, and 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:17.859 we'll dig into this later on the episode. Between 00:19:17.859 --> 00:19:20.940 91 and 92, a group allegedly attempted to contact 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:23.119 non -human entities through ancient rites and 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.119 black rituals. So now we're fast forwarding from 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.700 Crowley and Parsons to the nineties. They did 00:19:27.700 --> 00:19:30.019 these ancient rites to control and weaponize 00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:33.019 their psychic abilities. But this kind of backfired 00:19:33.019 --> 00:19:35.910 reinforcing their demonic interpretation. By 00:19:35.910 --> 00:19:38.509 1998, they produced an internal report warning 00:19:38.509 --> 00:19:42.650 of an impending Armageddon orchestrated by these 00:19:42.650 --> 00:19:45.309 quote unquote demonic forces. The Collins elite 00:19:45.309 --> 00:19:48.049 is said to operate unofficially without formal 00:19:48.049 --> 00:19:50.990 funding or recognition, a loose alliance of like 00:19:50.990 --> 00:19:53.450 -minded individuals embedded in classified projects. 00:19:54.210 --> 00:19:57.170 So at its heart, the Collins elite summarizes 00:19:57.170 --> 00:20:00.049 that UFOs and alien encounters are a satanic 00:20:00.049 --> 00:20:03.730 ruse and the key tenants are as follows. Demonic 00:20:03.730 --> 00:20:05.970 deceptions. These aliens are not from other planets, 00:20:06.130 --> 00:20:07.970 but interdimensional beings or fallen angels. 00:20:08.130 --> 00:20:10.690 They deceive humans into believing in extraterrestrial 00:20:10.690 --> 00:20:13.970 origins to road faith in God. They promote atheism 00:20:13.970 --> 00:20:17.470 or new age spirituality, which I think probably 00:20:17.470 --> 00:20:20.470 the latter, the new age spirituality is probably 00:20:20.470 --> 00:20:22.769 more appealing to most people than the atheistic 00:20:22.769 --> 00:20:25.789 part. This whole thing is kind of sent to prepare 00:20:25.789 --> 00:20:28.089 us for a quote unquote. New world order. This 00:20:28.089 --> 00:20:30.730 kind of harkens back to revelations. These abductions, 00:20:30.769 --> 00:20:33.150 for instance, are seen as soul harvesting or 00:20:33.150 --> 00:20:35.910 spiritual warfare and not really scientific experiments 00:20:35.910 --> 00:20:38.450 like some in the UFO community are led to believe. 00:20:38.509 --> 00:20:40.569 Yeah, that's super interesting. Have you heard 00:20:40.569 --> 00:20:43.789 of the danger of looking too closely with the 00:20:43.789 --> 00:20:46.569 Collins elite theory? Tell me if this doesn't 00:20:46.569 --> 00:20:49.069 remind you of good advice that you just comes 00:20:49.069 --> 00:20:51.539 out of the Bible. It says, one of the most chilling 00:20:51.539 --> 00:20:54.779 aspects of the colony theory is that the ideal 00:20:54.779 --> 00:20:58.059 of studying the phenomenon may actually increase 00:20:58.059 --> 00:21:00.599 its influence on you. Within this framework, 00:21:00.740 --> 00:21:03.180 attention is not just passive, but it's actually 00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:06.240 an invitation. The more humanity seeks to understand 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:08.599 these entities, the more at risk engaging with 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:11.619 them. This arises to a disturbing possibility 00:21:11.619 --> 00:21:14.079 that certain government programs weren't shut 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:16.279 down to really hide that truth, but to kind of 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:18.450 contain it. The secrecy. it may not actually 00:21:18.450 --> 00:21:21.529 be about control, but more about protection. 00:21:22.089 --> 00:21:23.529 But I just, I've always, you know, you don't 00:21:23.529 --> 00:21:24.869 mess around with demons, man. Stay away from 00:21:24.869 --> 00:21:26.230 all this stuff. God tells you all the time in 00:21:26.230 --> 00:21:28.849 the Bible. And if you get closer to it, perhaps 00:21:28.849 --> 00:21:30.869 you're kind of invited in. Well, it's interesting 00:21:30.869 --> 00:21:32.430 you bring that up. I'm sure you've heard this 00:21:32.430 --> 00:21:34.470 name before, but Stephen Greer, he's pretty big 00:21:34.470 --> 00:21:36.609 in the UFO community. And he runs a group called 00:21:36.609 --> 00:21:40.410 CE5 where they use like meditation and certain 00:21:40.410 --> 00:21:43.450 rituals. And he claims, and there's videos of 00:21:43.450 --> 00:21:46.509 him being able to summon orbs or UFOs. So if 00:21:46.509 --> 00:21:48.950 you want to see them, Unfortunately, they will 00:21:48.950 --> 00:21:51.609 manifest and it kind of harken back to your point. 00:21:51.930 --> 00:21:53.269 It's not something you want to mess with because 00:21:53.269 --> 00:21:55.309 it's not a little green. Come on, man. You think 00:21:55.309 --> 00:21:59.069 a guy from, I don't know, Alpha Centauri flying 00:21:59.069 --> 00:22:02.250 around and flying saucers, like worried about 00:22:02.250 --> 00:22:04.490 you meditating to summon him. Like he's not a 00:22:04.490 --> 00:22:06.410 toy. If it really wasn't alien, he's like, what 00:22:06.410 --> 00:22:09.569 the heck is this crazy person doing? If he even 00:22:09.569 --> 00:22:13.069 pays attention. So, you know, I think that kind 00:22:13.069 --> 00:22:15.829 of leads some credence into that they're summoning 00:22:15.829 --> 00:22:20.170 these sort of demonic type entities at pretty 00:22:20.170 --> 00:22:22.430 much at will. I think everyone who listens to 00:22:22.430 --> 00:22:24.809 this podcast kind of knows my stance on that. 00:22:24.809 --> 00:22:27.349 That's something you don't want to, uh, open 00:22:27.349 --> 00:22:28.970 the door to. Cause once you start going down 00:22:28.970 --> 00:22:30.710 that road, you're going to become more deceived 00:22:30.710 --> 00:22:33.589 and you're going to believe more and more of 00:22:33.589 --> 00:22:37.390 the wrong sort of religion or philosophy. It's 00:22:37.390 --> 00:22:40.509 wild to think about, right? And long before we 00:22:40.509 --> 00:22:42.829 started seeing these orbs in the kind of the 00:22:42.829 --> 00:22:46.569 modern UFO reports. We look at the ancient texts. 00:22:46.769 --> 00:22:49.250 It describes beings descending down from the 00:22:49.250 --> 00:22:52.230 sky, angels, messengers, watchers. The book of 00:22:52.230 --> 00:22:55.009 Ezekiel describes wheels within wheels, glowing 00:22:55.009 --> 00:22:58.269 and moving in impossible ways. Now today, some 00:22:58.269 --> 00:23:00.930 interpret these descriptions as early encounters 00:23:00.930 --> 00:23:04.130 with the same phenomenon that we now call UAPs, 00:23:04.190 --> 00:23:06.670 kind of filtered through a language and a belief 00:23:06.670 --> 00:23:11.109 system of that time. But to me, I think it's 00:23:11.109 --> 00:23:15.009 talking about the same thing, man. It's hard 00:23:15.009 --> 00:23:17.410 to ignore the book of Ezekiel when they're talking 00:23:17.410 --> 00:23:20.309 about wheels within wheels and, and these things 00:23:20.309 --> 00:23:22.849 flying around in the sky. And I don't think he'd 00:23:22.849 --> 00:23:24.890 be talking about UFOs when he's describing, you 00:23:24.890 --> 00:23:27.769 know, biblical prophecy in times. Yeah. And I 00:23:27.769 --> 00:23:29.450 also think too, like the reason they look so 00:23:29.450 --> 00:23:32.210 bizarre is because they live in different dimensions. 00:23:32.230 --> 00:23:33.769 So like, when you look at physics, like we live 00:23:33.769 --> 00:23:36.069 in the 3d world, like, you know, you have up, 00:23:36.210 --> 00:23:38.950 down, left, right, you know, you have the XYZ 00:23:38.950 --> 00:23:42.130 access, right? So we experienced life and 3d 00:23:42.130 --> 00:23:44.920 and we have time on top of it. But if like you're 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:46.880 in the fifth, sixth, seventh dimension, like 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:50.160 visually, you're not going to be able to see 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:51.920 what the entity really looks like. Cause he's 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.079 going to be, he's going to be kind of phasing 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:56.799 in and out of our third dimension reality back 00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:58.779 into fourth, fifth, sixth, wherever he may be 00:23:58.779 --> 00:24:01.619 from. So you're kind of, it's kind of like if 00:24:01.619 --> 00:24:05.220 we were living in the 2D reality, you wouldn't 00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:06.759 really be able to see us. You don't even be able 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:09.539 to see a sliver of us, right? And there's interesting 00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:12.000 concepts that you can look up on YouTube or. 00:24:12.250 --> 00:24:14.690 TikTok or whatever, whatever social media that 00:24:14.690 --> 00:24:18.069 kind of gives a visual representation of what 00:24:18.069 --> 00:24:21.029 a 3D being would look like in a 2D world. So 00:24:21.029 --> 00:24:22.710 I think we're seeing, you know, fifth, sixth, 00:24:22.710 --> 00:24:25.250 seventh dimensional beings from a 3D perspective. 00:24:25.390 --> 00:24:27.869 So they're going to look weird and they're going 00:24:27.869 --> 00:24:31.130 to morph and you're going to see different aspects 00:24:31.130 --> 00:24:34.309 of them depending on what, what part of their 00:24:34.309 --> 00:24:37.450 entity is in your dimension, which is just kind 00:24:37.450 --> 00:24:39.650 of a side note, which I found interesting. A 00:24:39.650 --> 00:24:42.849 lot of times I don't agree with JD Vance, but 00:24:42.849 --> 00:24:44.970 kind of want to read the words that he said. 00:24:45.490 --> 00:24:48.849 And when he was being questioned about the UAPs 00:24:48.849 --> 00:24:51.470 and what knowledge does he have about UFOs, because 00:24:51.470 --> 00:24:54.069 obviously he has the highest level of security 00:24:54.069 --> 00:24:56.289 clearance you could have. So he has access to 00:24:56.289 --> 00:24:58.730 plenty of information out there. And his exact 00:24:58.730 --> 00:25:01.430 words were, I don't think they're aliens. I think 00:25:01.430 --> 00:25:04.430 they're demons. When I hear about extra natural 00:25:04.430 --> 00:25:06.710 phenomenon, that's where I go. The Christian 00:25:06.710 --> 00:25:09.109 understanding that there's a lot of good out 00:25:09.109 --> 00:25:11.789 there, but there's also a lot of evil out there. 00:25:12.150 --> 00:25:15.250 I think one of the devil's greatest tricks is 00:25:15.250 --> 00:25:18.490 to convince people that he never existed. Then 00:25:18.490 --> 00:25:20.309 Vance goes on to say he hopes to have access 00:25:20.309 --> 00:25:22.849 to documents regarding undefined flying objects 00:25:22.849 --> 00:25:25.400 and extraterrestrial beings. at some point over 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.440 the next three years of his career so that he 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:29.440 can kind of purve his concept. But obviously, 00:25:29.980 --> 00:25:32.119 he probably already has a lot of background information. 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.039 And I think it is kind of like a devil's trick, 00:25:35.099 --> 00:25:37.240 right? Like when we think about everybody wants 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:39.400 to see Bigfoot, everybody wants to see the UFO 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:41.099 come out of the sky because they think it's really 00:25:41.099 --> 00:25:44.220 cool. Sometimes the people just use it to say 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:46.440 God doesn't actually exist We're just a small 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:49.759 little thing in a big spinning ball and a major 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.619 universe and we just happen by mistake It is 00:25:52.619 --> 00:25:55.599 a good distraction for bad stuff So yeah, let's 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:58.000 just kind of talk about the history of this a 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.140 little bit and how it came about So we kind of 00:26:00.140 --> 00:26:02.940 talked about the history pre Nick Redfern's book 00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:05.640 called final events, which was published in 2010 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:09.559 He was contacted by a gentleman named Richard 00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.019 Duke, which What's not his real name. I don't 00:26:12.019 --> 00:26:14.660 think after inquiring with the air force do claim 00:26:14.660 --> 00:26:17.759 that the elite saw UFOs as demonic with goals 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.240 of control and weaponize them via rituals. So 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:22.900 we kind of touched on a bit. So Redfern sources 00:26:22.900 --> 00:26:25.680 warned of deception. The human race was being 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:28.119 deceived in the blame. And it was receiving visitations 00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.440 from aliens. Again, we talked about that when 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.049 in reality. They were demonic forces squaring 00:26:33.049 --> 00:26:35.390 up for Armageddon. Redfern continues discussing 00:26:35.390 --> 00:26:38.250 it in interviews noting internal dissent over 00:26:38.250 --> 00:26:40.049 disclosure. So essentially what that means is 00:26:40.049 --> 00:26:42.609 that the people in this quote unquote group, 00:26:42.910 --> 00:26:46.309 the Collins elite thought it best not to disclose 00:26:46.309 --> 00:26:48.869 what these UFOs really are. They thought it would 00:26:48.869 --> 00:26:51.910 destroy religious systems. It would destroy a 00:26:51.910 --> 00:26:55.230 lot of culture. And they didn't think that I 00:26:55.230 --> 00:26:58.349 guess the zeitgeist, the human zeitgeist could 00:26:58.349 --> 00:27:01.410 handle it culturally or religiously. So this 00:27:01.410 --> 00:27:04.509 group's argument is that it's best not to disclose 00:27:04.509 --> 00:27:07.269 what it is though we know, but to disclose it 00:27:07.269 --> 00:27:10.690 would cause massive civil unrest. So it would 00:27:10.690 --> 00:27:13.930 be best not to, to kind of leave it vague and 00:27:13.930 --> 00:27:16.470 opaque and let people kind of come to their own 00:27:16.470 --> 00:27:18.670 conclusions. But then we moved to a fella named 00:27:18.670 --> 00:27:22.009 Ray Boshay. I hope it's, I'm hoping I I'm saying 00:27:22.009 --> 00:27:26.069 his name correctly, but He's a theologian who 00:27:26.069 --> 00:27:28.430 claimed to have met with two Department of Defense 00:27:28.430 --> 00:27:31.829 members in 1991 and 92. They revealed research 00:27:31.829 --> 00:27:36.009 into psychotronic weapons and non -human entity 00:27:36.009 --> 00:27:38.690 contacts. They admitted that these entities were 00:27:38.690 --> 00:27:41.329 demonic with extraordinary and lethal mental 00:27:41.329 --> 00:27:44.650 powers. Boshay was told attempts to exploit them 00:27:44.650 --> 00:27:47.910 involved in crackpot rituals, which AKA I think 00:27:47.910 --> 00:27:51.789 means occultic or ancient or demonic. I mean, 00:27:52.009 --> 00:27:53.640 whatever word you kind of want to. fill in there, 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.180 I think these DOD members he claimed to have 00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:59.680 talked to are probably not into that. And so 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.619 they would probably use that term crackpot, but 00:28:02.619 --> 00:28:06.539 this kind of led to some sort of ethical boundary 00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:09.000 that they weren't willing to cross. Again, they 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:12.059 all believe that these UFOs are interdimensional 00:28:12.059 --> 00:28:16.700 beings. So then you talked about, uh, Luis Elizondo 00:28:16.700 --> 00:28:20.869 a bit. He was a former. A T I P head. He was 00:28:20.869 --> 00:28:23.910 the head of the advanced aerospace threat identification 00:28:23.910 --> 00:28:29.109 program who admitted in 2024, confirming he encountered 00:28:29.109 --> 00:28:31.230 the Collins elite himself. He described them 00:28:31.230 --> 00:28:34.269 as a faction of us government insiders, opposing 00:28:34.269 --> 00:28:37.009 UFO research, believing aliens are demonic and 00:28:37.009 --> 00:28:39.150 that investigation amplifies their influence. 00:28:39.769 --> 00:28:42.069 Elizondo believes that their Christian viewpoint 00:28:42.069 --> 00:28:45.559 blocks transparency. into what this phenomenon 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.019 actually is. So there's also another interesting 00:28:48.019 --> 00:28:50.519 fella. I'm going to chop his name up too, but 00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:54.279 forgive me. His name is Jason Giorgiani. He claims 00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:58.420 Peter Thiel now leads this group, framing UFOs 00:28:58.420 --> 00:29:01.460 as demonic to control narratives. Giorgiani alleges 00:29:01.460 --> 00:29:04.900 Thiel's tech empire aligns with suppressing interdimensional 00:29:04.900 --> 00:29:07.400 truths, which is interesting because I think 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.299 you've probably seen, read the articles. I've 00:29:10.299 --> 00:29:12.700 seen them a lot. I'm sure a lot of people have. 00:29:12.970 --> 00:29:15.369 But he seems to be obsessed with the Antichrist 00:29:15.369 --> 00:29:17.109 now. Have you, have you seen that kind of come 00:29:17.109 --> 00:29:21.289 out in the media? So it's interesting that this 00:29:21.289 --> 00:29:24.289 Georgiani fella claims that now Peter Thiel heads 00:29:24.289 --> 00:29:27.769 this group and he, he's obsessed with the Antichrist. 00:29:28.250 --> 00:29:30.589 So too bad, too bad we were not big enough to 00:29:30.589 --> 00:29:35.890 interview him. But we're going to move on to 00:29:35.890 --> 00:29:39.559 a fella named Brian Allen and Tony Topping. In 00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:42.819 the 2023 documentary, God versus aliens, they 00:29:42.819 --> 00:29:45.920 assert the elite, quote unquote, suppresses UFO 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.920 info by labeling it as demonic. I think they 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:51.720 kind of have the alternate point of view that 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.799 because the elite, the powers of B or even, I 00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:56.299 guess you can kind of read into it a bit. The 00:29:56.299 --> 00:29:59.019 Collins elite is labeling it demonic in order 00:29:59.019 --> 00:30:02.210 to suppress. the actual information as to what 00:30:02.210 --> 00:30:05.269 it is. So Tony Topping, an alleged abductee, 00:30:05.490 --> 00:30:08.509 so let's just pause. He claims to have been abducted, 00:30:08.529 --> 00:30:11.490 right? So if you get abducted, you're probably, 00:30:11.869 --> 00:30:13.190 if you don't have that discernment, you don't 00:30:13.190 --> 00:30:15.150 have that religious base, you're probably going 00:30:15.150 --> 00:30:17.230 to believe that you got abducted by aliens, right? 00:30:17.609 --> 00:30:19.809 But he claims direct knowledge. Okay. Again, 00:30:19.809 --> 00:30:21.829 this is where it gets a little bit fuzzy for 00:30:21.829 --> 00:30:25.289 me, but he claims that you're being lied to by 00:30:25.289 --> 00:30:27.750 those in power, including the consulate. So again, 00:30:27.769 --> 00:30:30.339 this group comes up again. He insists that the 00:30:30.339 --> 00:30:33.259 universe is populated, but framed as satanic 00:30:33.259 --> 00:30:35.099 to hide the truce. And the last one I'm going 00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:36.859 to talk about, and we can kind of dig into these 00:30:36.859 --> 00:30:39.559 a little bit more, if you'd like a Michael Schellenberger 00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:44.480 in 2024, reference a call influence UFO investigations 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.599 tied to the elite view and UAP as demonic entities. 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.119 So you have a lot of, uh, I guess you could call 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.900 them primary sources to either the experience 00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:57.480 or to working with these people in this group. 00:30:57.660 --> 00:31:00.839 Most of it seems to be people claiming that it 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.799 is in fact interdimensional or demonic with some 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.519 people suggesting like Tony topping that it's 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.740 they're using that word that veil in order to 00:31:10.740 --> 00:31:13.900 hide what it really is a K actual little green 00:31:13.900 --> 00:31:16.759 man or what have you aliens out there all across 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:18.750 the universe. I always think it's funny, right? 00:31:18.829 --> 00:31:21.089 When we hear like, you know, we can't tell you 00:31:21.089 --> 00:31:22.890 because it would blow your mind. It kind of reminds 00:31:22.890 --> 00:31:24.609 me of that Trumpism. If you ever listen to Trump 00:31:24.609 --> 00:31:26.769 talk, everything's in absolutes, right? It's 00:31:26.769 --> 00:31:29.410 the most big, that's most beautiful. It's the 00:31:29.410 --> 00:31:31.549 worst thing ever, right? Always at these very 00:31:31.549 --> 00:31:34.970 extreme. Very hyperbolic. And it's so big and 00:31:34.970 --> 00:31:36.809 beautiful. It will blow your mind. I can't tell 00:31:36.809 --> 00:31:38.730 you to use your imagination, but the biggest 00:31:38.730 --> 00:31:41.170 bombs in the entire world, right? Like, and that's 00:31:41.170 --> 00:31:42.769 what I think about a lot of people is just like, 00:31:42.859 --> 00:31:45.319 It just would blow your mind. One of the guys 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.160 that came out was a guy's name was Jacques Vallee. 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.500 He was a respected scientist and UFO researcher. 00:31:53.140 --> 00:31:56.059 He has long argued that the phenomenon behaves 00:31:56.059 --> 00:31:59.240 less like extraterrestrial visitation and more 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.740 like this form or control system, something that 00:32:02.740 --> 00:32:05.339 interacts with humanity in a way that shapes 00:32:05.339 --> 00:32:08.640 beliefs, perceptions, and culture. He stops short 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.000 of calling it demonic, but he emphasizes it's 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.519 deceptive, right? It's adaptive in nature. It 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:15.380 appears differently depending on the error of 00:32:15.380 --> 00:32:18.220 the observer or the expectations. Not just seen, 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.980 but experienced. And now we're getting to this 00:32:20.980 --> 00:32:23.200 form of control and it's like harking back to 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.740 the Project Blue Beam episode where he's coming 00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:28.779 out and he's respected and he's saying that maybe 00:32:28.779 --> 00:32:32.539 it's not UFOs, but perhaps it's a control system 00:32:32.539 --> 00:32:35.119 and he almost goes to the edge and says demonic, 00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:37.299 but doesn't quite do it. But I could see that. 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.900 So yeah, let's talk a little bit about the alleged 00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:42.819 members of structure here. The foundational figures 00:32:42.819 --> 00:32:45.460 in this quote unquote Collins elite group include 00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:48.519 intelligence officers from the CIA, the DOD, 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.920 particularly in the 1950s through the 1980s. 00:32:52.019 --> 00:32:54.119 A guy by the name of Richard Duke, which we talked 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.200 about briefly, claimed to be the last CIA veteran 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.839 that was associated with the Collins elite. So 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.319 I guess my question to you, Dave, do you think 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:05.599 the Collins elite exists? It's a good question. 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.000 Does it exist? Probably. I'm a strong believer 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:11.220 and I think it's less likely that there's these 00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:13.700 extraterrestrial beings somewhere in our universe 00:33:13.700 --> 00:33:17.039 versus demonic and angelic forces. I just think 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:18.960 they get interpreted differently because they're 00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:23.180 not what you expect they should be. We know through 00:33:23.180 --> 00:33:26.299 biblical passages that angels can come and appear 00:33:26.299 --> 00:33:29.680 like me and you and be in front of you or they 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:32.519 can appear as something totally different. And 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:36.059 we don't understand everything, and more importantly, 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.259 we're not supposed to, right? Because we have 00:33:38.259 --> 00:33:40.160 a pretty narrow focus of what we should be doing 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:42.440 here on this earth, and that's worshiping God 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.279 and, you know, singing Jesus, you know, praises 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:48.079 and converting people to Christianity and doing 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:50.660 the mission that God put us here for. So we're 00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:52.859 not intended to understand everything, though. 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.819 Once we die, and if we serve appropriately, we 00:33:55.819 --> 00:33:59.559 will understand those things. What I find confusing, 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.640 and as long as we've been doing this show, a 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.759 lot of our things come down to these kind of 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:06.880 demonic UFO encounters, right? Whether we're 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.860 talking about Antarctica or we're talking about 00:34:09.860 --> 00:34:13.800 whatever, CERN, it always comes up. What I find 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.079 interesting is some of these historical UFO events. 00:34:17.500 --> 00:34:21.739 I was looking at the Fatima event of 1917. And 00:34:21.739 --> 00:34:24.960 Fadima Portugal, thousands gathered after children 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.920 reported visions of a luminous being. What followed 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:31.079 was described as the miracle of the sun, a spinning 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:33.739 erratic object in the sky witnessed by a crowd. 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.920 At that time, it was interpreted as a religious 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.719 event. Today, some re -examined it through obviously 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.559 a different lens, a mass UAP sighting. The same 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.920 event in kind of these two different interpretations, 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.739 one spiritual, one technology. And the question 00:34:47.739 --> 00:34:51.840 is, which one is closer to the truth? And I don't 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.480 see it as UAP. I see it as influence. We could 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.380 see the aerial school encounter of 1994. This 00:34:59.380 --> 00:35:02.800 was in Zimbabwe. Over 60 school children reported 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.619 seeing a craft land near the school. They described 00:35:05.619 --> 00:35:08.420 beings who communicated telepathically, delivering 00:35:08.420 --> 00:35:11.099 messages about the environment and humanity's 00:35:11.099 --> 00:35:13.880 future. The consistency of their accounts has 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.360 really made the case difficult to dismiss. But 00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.039 what stands out is not just what they saw, but 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.820 how it was delivered, not through tech, but through 00:35:22.820 --> 00:35:25.820 like this direct mental communication, more vision 00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:28.400 than visitation. And when you're seeing these 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.219 mass encounters, which are much more difficult 00:35:31.219 --> 00:35:33.960 to discount, because it's just one coop down 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.500 the street that lives under a bridge that said 00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:37.880 he was abducted 20 years ago. And they're all 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.320 telling you the same story. I think people want 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:42.820 to stamp UAP on it and they want to forget that 00:35:42.820 --> 00:35:44.840 demons exist because guess what? Demons are hell 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.980 of a lot more scary and they should be driving 00:35:46.980 --> 00:35:48.579 you straight to Jesus when you're doing that. 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.300 But I, I'm a believer man. A believer in the 00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:54.639 Collins elite or? Yeah. I mean, I, what they're, 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.300 what they're saying when it comes to demonic 00:35:57.300 --> 00:36:00.659 entities being UAPs, these are renowned and they're, 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.710 they, the people exist. So I do. Yeah, I agree 00:36:03.710 --> 00:36:06.670 too. I mean, does the Collins elite exist in 00:36:06.670 --> 00:36:09.070 theory? I think, yeah. I mean, obviously it's 00:36:09.070 --> 00:36:11.750 not official, but it could just be something 00:36:11.750 --> 00:36:14.130 as simple as a bunch of people with like -minded 00:36:14.130 --> 00:36:16.429 thoughts getting together and contacting each 00:36:16.429 --> 00:36:19.030 other and having these discussions kind of off 00:36:19.030 --> 00:36:21.719 the record. It's interesting too, because the 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:23.360 name cons elite people are like, well, where'd 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.179 it come from? And the thought is that it was 00:36:26.179 --> 00:36:29.119 either a surname of somebody who was in it. It 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.400 was a location that they initially met at, or 00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:34.079 it was a location of a town that they would have 00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.219 these meetings. But I would assume back in probably 00:36:37.219 --> 00:36:39.820 like the forties, fifties, all the way up to 00:36:39.820 --> 00:36:42.320 probably modern time within the past decade. 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.039 If you talked about this stuff openly in governments, 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.940 or if you talked about this stuff openly as a 00:36:47.940 --> 00:36:51.619 scientist. You probably ran a high risk of losing 00:36:51.619 --> 00:36:55.219 your job or your credibility. So you would probably 00:36:55.219 --> 00:36:58.639 form a secret quote unquote group to have these 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.159 off the record discussions in order not to jeopardize 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:04.639 your career, which seems to make the most sense. 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.019 Obviously there's not a CollinsElite .com website 00:37:08.019 --> 00:37:14.750 to go join. in the kind of a tongue -in -cheek 00:37:14.750 --> 00:37:17.329 sense, I think it probably is a secret society. 00:37:17.650 --> 00:37:19.989 The thing that kind of starts starting to perk 00:37:19.989 --> 00:37:23.590 my interest is that now you have guys like Peter 00:37:23.590 --> 00:37:26.349 Thiel constantly talking about the Antichrist. 00:37:26.409 --> 00:37:30.889 You have scientists who, I mean, go back to Jack 00:37:30.889 --> 00:37:34.489 Parsons. He was pretty much single -handedly 00:37:34.489 --> 00:37:39.429 responsible for making JPL jet propulsion labs. 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.280 So you have the guys on one side of the coin 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:46.059 who believe in this demonic stuff and who are 00:37:46.059 --> 00:37:49.579 actively trying to invoke some sort of a cult 00:37:49.579 --> 00:37:52.380 practice and ritual, which I think you see with 00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:56.079 CERN. And I think, again, as stated before, the 00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.480 natural kind of counterculture movement would 00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:03.840 be for a lot of like -minded Christians or people 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.780 who believe that this is demonic to kind of form. 00:38:07.070 --> 00:38:09.289 I get a little bit nervous when I see people 00:38:09.289 --> 00:38:13.210 like Peter feel quote unquote running this group 00:38:13.210 --> 00:38:16.349 when I'm not entirely sure where their faith 00:38:16.349 --> 00:38:20.050 base is. I mean, I can imagine, I mean, cultures 00:38:20.050 --> 00:38:22.530 all across the planet believe in demonic activity, 00:38:22.610 --> 00:38:25.190 right? You don't necessarily have to be a Christian 00:38:25.190 --> 00:38:28.389 in order to think demons exist. They exist in 00:38:28.389 --> 00:38:31.610 Far East cultures. They exist in Indian cultures. 00:38:31.670 --> 00:38:34.190 They exist in just about every culture you can 00:38:34.190 --> 00:38:38.679 imagine. So, but I think when I hear rich and 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.519 powerful names within these supposed groups. 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:45.019 I think of them being co -opted and led astray. 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:46.900 And that's kind of where I'm sitting with it 00:38:46.900 --> 00:38:49.000 at the moment. And this makes me a little nervous 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.280 because all these guys are building the AI, the 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.820 autonomous robots, the autonomous cars. At a 00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:58.579 certain point in time, you know, Elon Musk, he 00:38:58.579 --> 00:39:01.320 had a interesting podcast interview with Joe 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:05.699 Rogan. And one of his outcomes to this was... 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.599 like a universal basic income where everybody's 00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:10.579 filthy rich. Dude, there are 8 billion people 00:39:10.579 --> 00:39:13.639 in the world. 90 % of them live below the poverty 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:19.579 line. A lot of them struggle to make basic ends 00:39:19.579 --> 00:39:23.179 meet, food, water, et cetera. Do you think they're 00:39:23.179 --> 00:39:26.179 gonna make 8 billion people filthy rich? There's 00:39:26.179 --> 00:39:29.059 not enough nice houses that house 8 billion people. 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.840 You go to places like India, a billion people 00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.940 in that country, over a billion. China, I mean, 00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:36.739 though they have tons of land. I mean, most people 00:39:36.739 --> 00:39:40.519 are pulled up in the city. There's no economic 00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.980 system that's going to flip the switch in even 00:39:43.980 --> 00:39:48.639 a decade and be able to realistically provide 00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:50.880 all this. And then I think back to the Georgia 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.019 guys stones, which were blown up, I think during 00:39:53.019 --> 00:39:56.519 COVID and the elites ultimately, it was written 00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:00.519 on the damn stone. He helps in the ideal earth 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.139 population is 500 million. So. You know, they're 00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:07.559 trying to sell you this whole narrative about 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.039 this, you know, utopia, whatever they're trying 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:11.920 to sell you. That sounds too good to be true. 00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:14.179 Let me tell you, it's too good to be true. And 00:40:14.179 --> 00:40:16.679 ultimately it worries me that when all these 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.260 this AI, the, the quote unquote robot revolution 00:40:20.260 --> 00:40:23.079 comes around that they're not going to need you. 00:40:23.260 --> 00:40:26.260 They're not going, going to want to harvest the 00:40:26.260 --> 00:40:28.880 heck out of the earth and provide that. Minerals 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.519 or resources the energy the food and what have 00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:33.719 you in order to support what they consider dead 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:36.980 weight Yeah, let me clear right like when I was 00:40:36.980 --> 00:40:39.380 talking about Collins elite and it doesn't exist. 00:40:39.619 --> 00:40:44.599 I do You know, I also look at it more like an 00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.340 ideology We've talked about a lot of famous people 00:40:47.340 --> 00:40:49.800 and it's a way of view in the world It's a it's 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.920 a worldview that it's not aliens. It's demonic 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.610 forces. So I do Do you think it's, I think it 00:40:56.610 --> 00:40:58.969 exists and there's a lot of interesting government 00:40:58.969 --> 00:41:01.809 groups out there that do really interesting work. 00:41:02.329 --> 00:41:04.650 You know, sometimes I think most people, all 00:41:04.650 --> 00:41:06.650 they really care about is power, control, and 00:41:06.650 --> 00:41:08.570 money. That's, that's what they want to kind 00:41:08.570 --> 00:41:12.090 of lord over people and kind of find their version 00:41:12.090 --> 00:41:15.190 of a fiefdom and be a king somewhere and, and 00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:18.300 lord it over folks. Sometimes I wonder. Obviously, 00:41:18.300 --> 00:41:20.760 we know how Jesus came way back in the times, 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.519 but let's just pretend like we wrote his history 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:26.300 for a second. If Jesus came today, how would 00:41:26.300 --> 00:41:28.420 people, and he will one day obviously again, 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.619 but how would people respond? A lot of people 00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:33.500 says, well, I would believe if I could see it. 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.639 Well, if people were seeing it in modern times 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:39.420 today, whether if they're angelic beings or ... 00:41:39.420 --> 00:41:43.519 I wonder if there's a group out there that has 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.780 ... documented, you know, demon, demonic activity 00:41:46.780 --> 00:41:49.579 from a high level, angelic activity from a high 00:41:49.579 --> 00:41:53.719 level miracles that they just try to bury because 00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:56.260 they don't want people to truly follow Christ, 00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:58.780 give up their belongings and, you know, follow 00:41:58.780 --> 00:42:01.880 the Christian roadway because they want to exert 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:03.880 that control and say, hey, look at me. So we 00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:05.880 see a lot of Christian revivalism occurring right 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.460 now. And Trump and his administration, they lead 00:42:08.460 --> 00:42:11.179 a lot of that Christian revitalism. But are they 00:42:11.179 --> 00:42:15.730 really Christians? My theory is no. I just don't. 00:42:15.730 --> 00:42:18.050 You see a lot of people praying for your president 00:42:18.050 --> 00:42:19.949 and that's great. I think we should be praying 00:42:19.949 --> 00:42:22.230 for our president. But the thing that twisted 00:42:22.230 --> 00:42:24.750 me was when he was like, he's basically saying, 00:42:24.750 --> 00:42:26.289 I'm going to go to hell. If you're trying to 00:42:26.289 --> 00:42:28.530 bring about revelations and you think you're 00:42:28.530 --> 00:42:30.949 going to go to hell, all those things are in 00:42:30.949 --> 00:42:33.570 direct contradiction with each other. Then to 00:42:33.570 --> 00:42:35.630 me, it's like, what's your ulterior motive? Is 00:42:35.630 --> 00:42:38.900 it power, control of money? that kind of seems 00:42:38.900 --> 00:42:42.639 like more a realistic option to me in that particular 00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.079 scenario. So I wonder if people like Collins 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.159 Elite or if there is like a true government entity 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.840 is trying to cover up some of these very real 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:52.760 things in our world and just tell you you're 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:56.199 crazy and move on with your life. I mean, I think 00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.659 a lot of things start off with the good in mind, 00:42:59.659 --> 00:43:03.079 right? You see a bunch of guys doing weird cult 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:06.730 stuff. You notice the the fact that they're doing 00:43:06.730 --> 00:43:08.989 these rituals and then you're like, wow, everyone's 00:43:08.989 --> 00:43:11.650 seeing weird crap in the sky. And then you're 00:43:11.650 --> 00:43:13.650 probably thinking to yourself, well, I don't, 00:43:13.849 --> 00:43:16.710 you know, I know the occult exists, but like, 00:43:16.829 --> 00:43:19.070 this has to be demonic. Let's form a group. I 00:43:19.070 --> 00:43:20.829 ultimately think all this stuff ends up getting 00:43:20.829 --> 00:43:23.389 co -opted, right? Everything good tends to get 00:43:23.389 --> 00:43:27.369 co -opted by people infiltrating that and superimposing 00:43:27.369 --> 00:43:30.590 their own agendas to it. And, you know, I really 00:43:30.590 --> 00:43:33.809 struggle because you see a lot of these politicians. 00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:35.960 They want to talk about Christ. And listen, I'm 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.139 not here to judge them, but it just seems to 00:43:38.139 --> 00:43:41.420 be all over the place now in a disingenuous sense. 00:43:41.900 --> 00:43:44.300 And I think a lot of these politicians, they 00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:46.440 lick their finger, put it in the air and see 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:49.139 which way the wind's blown. And they kind of 00:43:49.139 --> 00:43:52.579 take the pulse of what culture and their constituents 00:43:52.579 --> 00:43:56.119 are saying in order to get reelected. Ultimately, 00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.059 I think a lot of these people, they don't care. 00:43:58.340 --> 00:44:00.519 They probably don't even believe, or at least 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:03.460 believe the way that you're supposed to. They're 00:44:03.460 --> 00:44:06.699 just trying to co -opt this Christian movement. 00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:10.340 I think conspiracy of all things is co -opted 00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:12.760 beyond belief. Like you look into conspiracy 00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:14.940 now, there's a lot of truth in it, but there's 00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:18.739 also a lot of weird deception in bringing up 00:44:18.739 --> 00:44:22.159 Gates, like talking about, you know, a politician, 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.039 like a fairly famous politician talking about 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:29.579 alien and human interbreeding programs. Like 00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:32.860 five years ago, he would be, he would, it would 00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:35.800 not be accepted. He would be forced out of office. 00:44:35.940 --> 00:44:37.739 He'd probably be thrown in a psych ward. But 00:44:37.739 --> 00:44:42.539 now these, this conspiracy genre is just co -opted 00:44:42.539 --> 00:44:44.980 with so many people who I think are embedded 00:44:44.980 --> 00:44:47.480 with the government, the intelligence agencies. 00:44:47.989 --> 00:44:50.809 they're starting to embed themselves into Christianity. 00:44:51.090 --> 00:44:52.530 And I, you know, eventually I think we'll get 00:44:52.530 --> 00:44:54.889 around to doing an episode about a lot of these 00:44:54.889 --> 00:44:57.309 churches and their false teachings and how they're 00:44:57.309 --> 00:45:01.289 kind of trying to, again, co -op the faith in 00:45:01.289 --> 00:45:04.730 order to lead people astray. And the other thing, 00:45:04.789 --> 00:45:07.130 next time Christ comes back, he's coming back 00:45:07.130 --> 00:45:10.250 as a warrior king. He's not coming back as the 00:45:10.250 --> 00:45:12.190 gentle savior. Like he's coming back to finish 00:45:12.190 --> 00:45:15.250 the job. And that's kind of, I mean, that's terrifying. 00:45:15.429 --> 00:45:18.519 You have God coming down to say, hey, I gave 00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:20.980 you your, however many thousands of years to 00:45:20.980 --> 00:45:23.420 repent and get right with me and preach my word. 00:45:23.460 --> 00:45:26.219 And now it's time to uproot all this evil and 00:45:26.219 --> 00:45:29.360 let's restart this again. Yeah. It comes down 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.199 to if, if you believe in the rapture, you pre 00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:34.079 trip or post trip, when you think the rapture 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:36.699 is going to occur for some of these guys, because 00:45:36.699 --> 00:45:38.579 if it's post and they're going to go through 00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:39.980 a whole lot of shit, if they want to bring around 00:45:39.980 --> 00:45:42.400 the revelation, do you think somebody like Matt 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.070 Gates, right? What's their motivation for What 00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:47.389 does it say if he was saying the truth or not? 00:45:47.389 --> 00:45:50.130 Like what's his motivation for bringing up this 00:45:50.130 --> 00:45:52.769 interbreeding program? Why are they doing it? 00:45:52.769 --> 00:45:55.269 I think is it, is it just for fame or like, do 00:45:55.269 --> 00:45:57.769 you have another take on it? Well, I mean, dude, 00:45:58.409 --> 00:46:00.710 politicians I really struggle with, man. I think 00:46:00.710 --> 00:46:03.190 a lot of them, they bring this stuff up. Again, 00:46:03.190 --> 00:46:05.090 it goes back to like trying to co -opt a movement 00:46:05.090 --> 00:46:08.349 and saying your piece. I use the term movement 00:46:08.349 --> 00:46:11.909 loosely. I, it's not a movement. It's just, I 00:46:11.909 --> 00:46:14.389 think it's part of human nature to question. 00:46:14.619 --> 00:46:17.099 And a lot of conspiracy is people questioning 00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:20.079 stuff. So is it a movement? I think inherently 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.260 no, but I think it's starting to become a movement. 00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:25.739 I also think he says it because he wants to get 00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:27.900 back into the narrative, right? Like he wants 00:46:27.900 --> 00:46:30.480 to be one of the people, you know, Obama was 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.500 interviewed about UFOs and he's like, yeah, they 00:46:32.500 --> 00:46:34.559 exist, but I had never seen them. And there's 00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.019 nothing that area 51, but they are true. And 00:46:37.019 --> 00:46:38.719 then Trump got all ticked off and says he shouldn't 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.420 have been saying anything. And now the government 00:46:41.420 --> 00:46:43.739 has opened, I guess, published a website called. 00:46:44.309 --> 00:46:47.730 Alien .gov or something. So they're getting ready 00:46:47.730 --> 00:46:50.510 to release something. And I think you see these 00:46:50.510 --> 00:46:52.630 politicians getting in front of it so they can 00:46:52.630 --> 00:46:54.610 say, yeah, I helped do that. Yeah, you're welcome. 00:46:55.010 --> 00:46:56.909 Yeah, you should elect me again. Does he know 00:46:56.909 --> 00:46:59.510 stuff that most people don't know? Absolutely. 00:46:59.750 --> 00:47:01.429 Whether or not he's telling you the truth about 00:47:01.429 --> 00:47:03.550 what it is, who knows? You know, there's all 00:47:03.550 --> 00:47:06.110 kind of, I mean, if we can talk about this alien 00:47:06.110 --> 00:47:09.829 human interbreeding program for hours and hours 00:47:09.829 --> 00:47:11.630 and maybe one day we'll do an episode on it, 00:47:11.670 --> 00:47:13.980 but. There's all kinds of stories about people 00:47:13.980 --> 00:47:16.820 saying, you know, a big part about the abduction 00:47:16.820 --> 00:47:19.639 phenomenon is women getting their eggs taken, 00:47:19.900 --> 00:47:22.960 men getting their, you know, their reproductive 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:33.940 juices taken. It's a, it's a, it's a, so it has 00:47:33.940 --> 00:47:36.619 a lot to do with like some weird sexual abuse, 00:47:37.059 --> 00:47:40.299 right? Like that's a big narrative with it. And 00:47:40.299 --> 00:47:42.400 you know, and it kind of piggybacks off this, 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:46.320 this interbreeding theory. But then you have 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.039 guys, like you look at the Epstein files, he 00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.900 was obsessed with genetic engineering. He was 00:47:50.900 --> 00:47:53.559 obsessed with it. Like he, he, he financed a 00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:58.360 ton of people to isolate genes for certain characteristics 00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:00.440 and qualities. A lot of these people are obsessed 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:02.780 with it. Part of me thinks they're obsessed with 00:48:02.780 --> 00:48:05.320 it because they want to figure out life extension 00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.349 because they don't want to die. They want to 00:48:07.349 --> 00:48:10.369 live as long as they possibly can. Part of me 00:48:10.369 --> 00:48:12.130 thinks that they want to alter their gene code 00:48:12.130 --> 00:48:15.010 to quote unquote be superhuman. And I think that's 00:48:15.010 --> 00:48:18.730 in the Bible and revelations, it says the end 00:48:18.730 --> 00:48:20.389 times will be like the days of Noah. So then 00:48:20.389 --> 00:48:22.800 you have Nephilim there and there. They're giants. 00:48:22.940 --> 00:48:24.599 They're super strong or smart. You know, they 00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:26.760 have all these abilities. And I think these people 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.780 want to be the not necessarily giants per se, 00:48:29.780 --> 00:48:32.579 but they want to be superhuman in their own way 00:48:32.579 --> 00:48:35.079 compared to us. I mean, why else would you be 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.860 obsessed with this genetic engineering part? 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.239 And then on top of that, these people saying 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.840 that there's human alien interbreeding programs 00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:44.800 are supposed to be, you know, people in positions 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.119 of authority who you assume are not psychotic 00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:52.010 or crazy or lost. Pretty wild. It's a wild world 00:48:52.010 --> 00:48:54.730 we've been in. And that's just what we know as 00:48:54.730 --> 00:48:57.989 people. But yeah, wild stuff, man. Yeah, it's 00:48:57.989 --> 00:49:00.429 nuts, man. We're definitely living in an interesting 00:49:00.429 --> 00:49:03.269 time. You know, before we wrap this episode up, 00:49:03.809 --> 00:49:05.909 what do you make of the Iran world? What are 00:49:05.909 --> 00:49:08.230 your thoughts? What do you think? That's an interesting 00:49:08.230 --> 00:49:10.869 conversation with it. I always like to kind of 00:49:10.869 --> 00:49:13.929 get other people's point of view. So my opinion 00:49:13.929 --> 00:49:17.050 is that we rightfully should have gone to war 00:49:17.050 --> 00:49:20.750 with Iran. I do think that they are one of the 00:49:20.750 --> 00:49:23.250 big evil bad guys out there. They've proven it 00:49:23.250 --> 00:49:27.550 by killing their own people. It's an evil empire 00:49:27.550 --> 00:49:31.630 that needs justice. Do I think it's Christian 00:49:31.630 --> 00:49:34.050 based kind of war? Absolutely not. I think it's 00:49:34.050 --> 00:49:37.289 a war based upon financial means. They want to 00:49:37.289 --> 00:49:39.190 control the street. Everybody wants to control 00:49:39.190 --> 00:49:41.489 the street and they want to control the oil rights. 00:49:41.769 --> 00:49:44.269 I don't think it's about freeing the Iranian 00:49:44.269 --> 00:49:46.909 people. I think it's about exerting control, 00:49:47.150 --> 00:49:50.250 about protecting Israel, about show force of 00:49:50.250 --> 00:49:51.869 our allies. I mean, it's kind of interesting 00:49:51.869 --> 00:49:54.730 that we want to war with Venezuela for a day. 00:49:55.050 --> 00:49:57.289 And then we took the president, which is an oil 00:49:57.289 --> 00:50:00.630 rich nation. And then shortly after we invade 00:50:00.630 --> 00:50:04.230 another oil rich nation. So I think it's about 00:50:04.230 --> 00:50:07.750 a war about power and control and money and finances 00:50:07.750 --> 00:50:11.110 and and really trying to own the Strait of Hormuz. 00:50:11.489 --> 00:50:14.070 So I think it's a word based on those foundations. 00:50:14.590 --> 00:50:16.389 Now, what do I think the ultimate outcome going 00:50:16.389 --> 00:50:18.130 to be? I think eventually we're going to stop 00:50:18.130 --> 00:50:21.010 because Trump is going to be under economic pressure 00:50:21.010 --> 00:50:24.030 with the price of oil that's keep going up. And 00:50:24.030 --> 00:50:27.760 I think the Iranians can outlast the economic 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.300 pressure that's going to be put on the United 00:50:29.300 --> 00:50:31.340 States to kind of in that war. But you never 00:50:31.340 --> 00:50:33.239 know. You know, there's a lot of rumors out there 00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:36.039 that we're gearing up for a limited ground invasion. 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.760 We've moved components of the 82nd Airborne out 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.900 there, special operators and amphibious assaults. 00:50:42.099 --> 00:50:44.840 I think we take Karg Island out there. So I think 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.099 potentially we take that because that's the major 00:50:47.099 --> 00:50:50.619 economic hub and potentially one of the reasons 00:50:50.619 --> 00:50:52.500 why we want the war in the first place. But do 00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:55.380 I think it's... Biblically setting at least at 00:50:55.380 --> 00:50:58.159 this juncture. I don't, I think they play a component 00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.519 in the end of times, but I just don't say we're 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.079 there yet. I struggle with it. I did read an 00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:05.619 interesting report. And again, this is all who 00:51:05.619 --> 00:51:08.940 knows how accurate it is that the Chinese have 00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:10.940 amassed like a hundred thousand troops ascend. 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.840 If America actually in fact does do a ground 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.880 invasion and Russia has mobilized their Chechen 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.340 branch of war fighters to go into. And I think 00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:23.000 most Chechens are actually. Islamic or they're 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:26.659 Muslims to go fight, which that could spiral 00:51:26.659 --> 00:51:28.960 if that happens. I don't personally think that 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:31.000 we should send any more boots on the ground to 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.940 any war. I just don't. I mean, we have bombs 00:51:33.940 --> 00:51:36.980 and missiles and I feel like he said he wanted 00:51:36.980 --> 00:51:40.059 regime change. He took out the dude. Now you 00:51:40.059 --> 00:51:42.679 have to start trying to influence them without 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.199 sending hundreds of thousands of American soldiers. 00:51:45.659 --> 00:51:48.000 Which are going to die, not all of them, of course, 00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:50.500 but I mean, it's war, like weird stuff happens, 00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:52.860 like stuff you can't predict. And I think if 00:51:52.860 --> 00:51:55.800 he does that, and that turns into a quagmire 00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:57.599 thing, I think his presidency's over, I don't 00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:59.519 think he'll actually see another Republican in 00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:02.179 office for a long time, because he promised to 00:52:02.179 --> 00:52:04.860 get out of the war. And I could see why the Israelis, 00:52:05.179 --> 00:52:07.300 what I ran out of the picture, I mean... You 00:52:07.300 --> 00:52:09.559 had the October 7th attack. Of course, you know, 00:52:09.659 --> 00:52:10.900 of course they're going to want to try to take 00:52:10.900 --> 00:52:12.380 out their enemies. Of course they're going to 00:52:12.380 --> 00:52:14.699 protect themselves. And I think a lot of it is 00:52:14.699 --> 00:52:16.760 Trump trying to help them do that, but there 00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:18.900 has to be a line in the sand where like, Hey, 00:52:18.940 --> 00:52:21.599 we did this. We destroyed their military. We'll 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.920 still help defend you, but we're not going to 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:26.900 put ground troops. We tried that in Iraq and 00:52:26.900 --> 00:52:30.030 Afghanistan. It didn't work, you know. Like you 00:52:30.030 --> 00:52:32.090 take out the leadership, you swear their military, 00:52:32.409 --> 00:52:34.050 you give them incentives to do the right thing. 00:52:34.110 --> 00:52:36.269 I mean, they could be a very rich nation if they 00:52:36.269 --> 00:52:39.929 just became more, I guess, economic versus like 00:52:39.929 --> 00:52:42.210 a religious state. I mean, there's all kinds 00:52:42.210 --> 00:52:44.829 of Middle Eastern countries that are filthy rich 00:52:44.829 --> 00:52:47.570 because they have oil. Iran has oil. Let's just 00:52:47.570 --> 00:52:52.070 be reasonable. Like stop, stop attacking the 00:52:52.070 --> 00:52:53.949 Jews. Stop trying to wipe them off the base of 00:52:53.949 --> 00:52:57.139 the planet. Like let's just chill. What's interesting 00:52:57.139 --> 00:53:02.260 about Iran is because pre the Islam revolution, 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.360 which was what in the 70s, like 72 or something 00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:10.000 like that, it was one of the most liberal Middle 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.579 Eastern countries out there. Most Iranians want 00:53:13.579 --> 00:53:16.320 to have freedom. They want to live in a more 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.750 open society, a more free society. I think we 00:53:19.750 --> 00:53:21.690 have an advantage because culturally they're 00:53:21.690 --> 00:53:25.949 much closer to us than the Iraqis or others that 00:53:25.949 --> 00:53:28.449 are part of the Middle East. I can tell you is 00:53:28.449 --> 00:53:30.730 that we will never win a war by just bombing. 00:53:30.829 --> 00:53:32.610 You have to put boots on the ground. You just, 00:53:32.869 --> 00:53:35.329 you do. You can accomplish military targets. 00:53:35.489 --> 00:53:37.230 You can, you can take out military targets, but 00:53:37.230 --> 00:53:38.769 you're never going to win a war. You just got 00:53:38.769 --> 00:53:41.659 to dig in long enough until You, you're wasting 00:53:41.659 --> 00:53:45.099 million dollar bombs on $15 targets. And Iran's 00:53:45.099 --> 00:53:46.980 got underground cities. They got underground 00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:48.739 bunkers. They've been diverting all their wealth 00:53:48.739 --> 00:53:51.460 to kind of dig in for this long fight. It didn't 00:53:51.460 --> 00:53:54.380 probably start as our war, meaning that we really 00:53:54.380 --> 00:53:56.099 didn't have to bomb them. We could have gotten 00:53:56.099 --> 00:53:59.519 out of it. But I think we're so far in right 00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:03.039 now that we do need substantial change in order 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:06.980 to stop. Meaning that, right. What I can tell 00:54:06.980 --> 00:54:08.340 you, if you pulled out today and said, we're 00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:09.780 not going to bomb anymore. We're going to go 00:54:09.780 --> 00:54:12.159 home. What you're going to see is a toll system 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:14.099 in the strait. They're going to be charging every 00:54:14.099 --> 00:54:15.639 boat to go through there. You're going to see 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.400 the cost of barrel go up. It's going to be a 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.679 worse environment for the global economy than 00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:24.099 if we've never bombed them at all. And we're 00:54:24.099 --> 00:54:25.900 not stopping their missiles yet. They're still 00:54:25.900 --> 00:54:28.019 a giant threat. They're still attacking the UAE. 00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:29.480 They're still attacking their neighbors. They're 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.920 still attacking Israel, still attacking our bases. 00:54:32.420 --> 00:54:35.059 So that we've blown up a lot. We really haven't 00:54:35.059 --> 00:54:37.760 stopped or changed a lot. And I tell you, I worry 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.739 about if we leave like the current religious 00:54:40.739 --> 00:54:43.340 leader that's in place now. If I was that guy, 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.219 I would be an evil genius, right? Because you 00:54:46.219 --> 00:54:48.420 think about it, he's a son. His father was murdered. 00:54:49.059 --> 00:54:51.619 His mother was murdered. His kids were murdered. 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:53.900 Everybody close to him was murdered and he was 00:54:53.900 --> 00:54:56.519 disfigured. You just created a really bad dude 00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:59.880 that's going to run that country now. So I think 00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:02.500 we're in war shape. I'm not a proponent of war. 00:55:02.860 --> 00:55:04.900 I'm not a proponent of putting boots on the ground 00:55:04.900 --> 00:55:06.780 because that's always scary stuff and loss of 00:55:06.780 --> 00:55:08.519 life. And you try to figure out why you're doing 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.079 it, but I almost wonder if we're, we're too far 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.900 gone yet to kind of stop at this point. So I 00:55:15.900 --> 00:55:18.260 think if we don't finish the job, I think economically 00:55:18.260 --> 00:55:21.380 it's going to be really rough. My red line in 00:55:21.380 --> 00:55:22.860 the sand is like putting boots on. I mean, you 00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:25.280 watch the whole generation of people we know 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:27.880 suffer. I mean, a lot, I mean, like people died, 00:55:28.099 --> 00:55:31.199 but I think the biggest problem is that you have 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:34.079 like this epidemic of veterans with PTSD and 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:35.719 having trouble to acclimate. You don't want to 00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.699 send another generation that suffered. And ultimately, 00:55:38.980 --> 00:55:41.559 at the end of the day, we left Afghanistan. No 00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:43.539 better than it was when we went in. Iran's a 00:55:43.539 --> 00:55:45.920 bigger country with more people, more land mass. 00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:48.739 You're not going to win that. We don't have conventional 00:55:48.739 --> 00:55:51.599 armies standing on the fields like we did in 00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.480 World War I or World War II, like when the armies 00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:58.119 died or retreated or surrendered, things changed. 00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:00.900 Wars not really like that anymore. It's not super 00:56:00.900 --> 00:56:03.300 conventional, at least in that region of the 00:56:03.300 --> 00:56:05.800 world. And I think if you put boots on the ground, 00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.309 you're stuck there for another 20 years. and 00:56:08.309 --> 00:56:11.070 you're decimating another generation of men and 00:56:11.070 --> 00:56:13.349 women, for what? There has to be a different 00:56:13.349 --> 00:56:16.449 solution, you know? Yeah. It's a tough spot now 00:56:16.449 --> 00:56:18.289 that we've kind of pulled that trigger in my 00:56:18.289 --> 00:56:20.429 mind. I think you have to change borders, meaning 00:56:20.429 --> 00:56:23.170 that you have to push them far enough away from 00:56:23.170 --> 00:56:25.170 the strait that they can't exert that control. 00:56:25.329 --> 00:56:27.530 You dig in for 20 years, you wait for the oil 00:56:27.530 --> 00:56:29.750 pipelines to be rerouted around there so they 00:56:29.750 --> 00:56:32.309 no longer need that body of water, and then you 00:56:32.309 --> 00:56:35.139 leave. I mean, I think that's the realistic future. 00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:38.099 Now what we do, I know our country is very pressured 00:56:38.099 --> 00:56:41.139 on the economy. And if, you know, D -Day for 00:56:41.139 --> 00:56:44.219 us is barrel reaching $200 a barrel, right? Like 00:56:44.219 --> 00:56:46.420 that's going to, you know, pit it as it back 00:56:46.420 --> 00:56:49.440 into a great recession. And those, I mean, we 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.139 have a president right now, the biggest, his 00:56:51.139 --> 00:56:53.980 biggest thing is the economy. So it's hard to 00:56:53.980 --> 00:56:56.460 see how it's going to shake out, but it's not 00:56:56.460 --> 00:56:58.840 looking great. I just think if you do put this 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:00.619 on the ground, then I think there's a potential 00:57:00.619 --> 00:57:02.760 for World War three. Cause I do think the Russian 00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:05.059 and Chinese are going to be like, no, like we're 00:57:05.059 --> 00:57:08.000 going to, I think it will spiral out of control. 00:57:08.099 --> 00:57:10.599 Then it would bad, but you know, then the day 00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:12.659 there has to be a big war in order for all the 00:57:12.659 --> 00:57:15.519 revelation stuff to start to take place. So that's 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.860 the scary part to me. You know, I think we're 00:57:17.860 --> 00:57:21.900 in a position where we can leave or step back 00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:23.480 at least in terms of what we're doing and try 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:25.639 to negotiate without putting boots on the ground 00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:28.300 and saying, yo, here are two or three things 00:57:28.300 --> 00:57:30.750 that we need for you. If you give them, then 00:57:30.750 --> 00:57:33.809 yeah, you can chill. But I think if we do put, 00:57:34.030 --> 00:57:37.130 I think it's going to be bad. I really did. I 00:57:37.130 --> 00:57:39.670 haven't heard the reports of the Chinese troops. 00:57:40.429 --> 00:57:43.329 Um, it's one of those kind of those, I call them 00:57:43.329 --> 00:57:45.650 gray reports where you have to kind of question 00:57:45.650 --> 00:57:48.210 the person you're hearing it from. Cause I think 00:57:48.210 --> 00:57:50.250 there's a lot of fear mongering with some of 00:57:50.250 --> 00:57:52.510 these people, whether or not it's true. I don't 00:57:52.510 --> 00:57:54.579 know. But I know the Russians are pretty picked 00:57:54.579 --> 00:57:57.019 off about the whole Ukrainian thing. I mean, 00:57:57.179 --> 00:57:59.619 like it or not, maybe we didn't send people in 00:57:59.619 --> 00:58:02.119 directly. We did finance it. We still give them 00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:05.500 weapons and thousands of people from Western 00:58:05.500 --> 00:58:07.800 Europe and America want to fight in that war. 00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.480 So I'm sure there's a little bit of a kind of 00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:15.059 a hope that we do so they can send people in 00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:17.500 and make it more difficult and get us bogged 00:58:17.500 --> 00:58:20.800 down and suffer thousands and thousands of casualties. 00:58:21.340 --> 00:58:25.079 Just as like a way to pay it pays back. I could, 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:26.920 I could definitely see the Russia. I mean, we've 00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:29.340 been fighting a proxy war with Russia for, you 00:58:29.340 --> 00:58:31.139 know, generation, right? Like we were fighting 00:58:31.139 --> 00:58:33.780 them in Iraq and everything else in Afghanistan. 00:58:34.099 --> 00:58:36.900 So we have been combating those folks in Syria 00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:39.000 and everywhere else. Right. So we've been trading 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:40.940 those blows. I would be shocked if the Chinese 00:58:40.940 --> 00:58:43.559 did it in my mind, because they're more of a, 00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:45.099 we're going to worry about our own kind of bubble 00:58:45.099 --> 00:58:46.699 where like they don't have a lot of international 00:58:46.699 --> 00:58:48.809 bases or anything. and they don't have much of 00:58:48.809 --> 00:58:51.269 a need for Iran versus Russia actually does have 00:58:51.269 --> 00:58:53.489 a need for Iran, right? Like they produce a lot 00:58:53.489 --> 00:58:55.730 of their weapon systems, like drones and stuff 00:58:55.730 --> 00:58:57.730 that they're currently using in their war with 00:58:57.730 --> 00:59:00.230 Ukraine. So I would be shocked if the Chechens 00:59:00.230 --> 00:59:03.030 came in, if we pick ground troops on. Yeah, but 00:59:03.030 --> 00:59:04.929 that was way off topic from the Collins elite. 00:59:08.570 --> 00:59:12.210 Any parting thoughts before we wrap this up? 00:59:13.470 --> 00:59:15.969 No, I think it was a good conversation. It's 00:59:15.969 --> 00:59:17.809 good to be back in the mix again still a little 00:59:17.809 --> 00:59:22.010 bit rusty taking some time off, but Good having 00:59:22.010 --> 00:59:26.010 a good talk and you know, I'm I'm of the account 00:59:26.010 --> 00:59:28.789 that I was a couple of months ago I do think 00:59:28.789 --> 00:59:31.849 you know this UFO activity could very well be 00:59:31.849 --> 00:59:34.489 demonic activity and some of these rural circumstances 00:59:34.489 --> 00:59:36.550 Obviously, there's just a lot of noise out there 00:59:36.550 --> 00:59:39.469 to people making things up. I do think there's 00:59:39.469 --> 00:59:42.960 likely a government body that studies this information 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.320 that are probably made up of very smart people. 00:59:45.699 --> 00:59:47.719 And we all don't know about it. But I think it's 00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.840 a real deal. And, you know, we see that resounding 00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:53.340 through the scientific community. We told the 00:59:53.340 --> 00:59:56.559 stories this evening of a lot of people viewing 00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:59.659 it through this very same lens. So I just remind 00:59:59.659 --> 01:00:01.760 folks, you know, use your discernment, be smart, 01:00:01.980 --> 01:00:04.199 read your Bible, stay close to the Lord, and 01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.219 we're we're stepping one direction in the right 01:00:07.219 --> 01:00:10.219 direction. So we're good. Yeah, and remember 01:00:10.219 --> 01:00:12.260 we love you Jesus loves you and don't summon 01:00:12.260 --> 01:00:18.179 any UFOs from CE5, please It's not to my house 01:00:18.179 --> 01:00:20.260 All right, cool guys have a good evening until 01:00:20.260 --> 01:00:25.980 next time zero signal we're out We've hit the 01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:28.900 zero hour that's a wrap on this week's transmission 01:00:28.900 --> 01:00:32.800 New episodes drop weekly. So stay tuned and don't 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:35.940 miss the next signal follow subscribe and spread 01:00:35.940 --> 01:00:39.519 the word You've been listening to Zero Signal. 01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:40.760 We're out.