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a long time since I've been on this show It feels
good to be back here in person with you tonight
We're talking about something really interesting.
We're going to explore some weird stuff, some
unexplained stuff, and quite frankly, stuff that
keeps us up at night. We're stepping into something
I think that is truly fascinating. Something
that sets right at the crossroads of government
secrecy, UFOs, and old school spiritual warfare.
Yeah. And this one's been bubbling up again lately,
especially with the fresh chatter on UAP disclosure.
and even some high profile comments from people
in very powerful positions. Imagine this, what
if a quiet faction inside the Pentagon, the intelligence
community, the Department of Defense doesn't
believe we're being visited by little green men
from Mars, but by something far more ancient
and sinister. Yeah, Ben, that is crazy. That's
exactly what we're talking about tonight. They
call it the Collins elite, an alleged shadowy
network of insiders, many with strong Christian
backgrounds who have reportedly looked at the
same UFO and UAP data that everyone else has.
And you know what? They come to a very different
conclusion. They don't see aliens. They see deception.
They see fallen angels. They see demons masquerading
as aliens preparing humanity for something much
bigger, maybe even apocalyptic. And before we
go too deep, let's be clear, this isn't some
official government agency with a budget line
and websites. It's more like an informal old
guard network that's supposedly been influenced
by things behind the scenes for decades. Popularized
by Nick Redfern in his book, Final Events, but
recently getting a fresh attention because of
people like former AATIP director Luis Alessandro
had basically said, yeah, I've run into these
elements of this group firsthand. Yeah, man.
That book is crazy. Final events. I've read snippets
of it, but yeah, that's some wild ground. And
you know what's even kind of crazier? Have you
recently heard what our vice president JD Vance
said? He's saying that aliens he believes in
you ways are actually demons. He kind of takes
it from this Christian worldview, right? The
conversation feels more. I think relevant than
ever. Is this just, you know, kind of religious
fundamentalism blocking disclosure, or is there
a deeper truth here that some insiders have been
wrestling with for many generations? Well, tonight
we're going to unpack the history, the key claims,
who's allegedly involved, what insiders have
reportedly said, and why this theory still refuses
to die in 2026. Buckle up. This one gets uncomfortable
in the best kind of way. Heck yeah, man. Let's
dive in. Yeah, that's a great synopsis. The concept
of Collins Elite was largely brought into the
public awareness by researcher Nick Redfern,
who described a faction of high level military
and Intel officials with these deeply religious
worldviews. Many of them holding Christian worldviews.
According to this account, these individuals
interpreted UFO encounters, not as scientific
anomalies, but more like a spiritual deception.
In their view, the phenomenon, you know, represents
an ongoing manipulation of humanities by these
entities or demons masquerading as aliens, when
in reality they're something far more ancient.
What some would actually describe as fallen angels
or demonic forces. Kind of piggyback on your
fallen angels thing. The claim is that they're
aiming to manipulate humanity towards spiritual
corruption and they're trying to manifest these
apocalyptic in time events. Ultimately, this
is going to lead to a great deception. And I
find it interesting that we see this, you know,
this war gone on with Iran. We can kind of tie
some of the revelations, gog make gog stuff into
this. It seems that a lot of people, especially
Christian Zionists and evangelical Christians
are trying to bring about the second coming of
Jesus Christ. I think it's scary. God doesn't
need our help to bring Christ back. So sometimes
I wonder what the, what the intention of that
really stems from, but to kind of get back on
the topic. So. these people in this supposed
group think that these, these UFOs are, like
you said, ultimately fallen angels, demons, or
other sort of satanic type manipulations. Yeah,
that's a great point. Right. And we do think
that that was my first thought is thinking about
the Iran conflict that's going on right now.
You know, you hear a lot in the news that Trump
and his cohort. Is it Pete Hagsworth, whoever
the Department of War Chair is? Hegseth, yeah.
Hegseth, that's it. They're on this mission to
bring back Christ. And a lot of times when I
hear that, because in the Bible it says, nobody
knows Jesus' return, but God himself. And when
I hear people be like, Jesus is going to return
tomorrow. Jesus is going to return on Easter.
Jesus is going to return during these times.
I usually think we're that much further away.
And I don't think humanity in and of itself.
It can in its downfall state, but not an act
of buying or selling or taking over can actually
bring Christ's return. So I usually hear those
things and perhaps they are. I know I've heard
some stories where Pete thinks he's like a modern
day Knights Templar and he has his holy war now
in Iran. I don't know how much I buy into that.
You see a lot of these guys and they don't exactly
strike me as super religious in the first place.
I don't know if they'd be on the right side of
revelation or not anyways when they're doing
that stuff. So it is pretty interesting to follow
along with it. We do see, however, the warning
signs inside the Pentagon. And this belief system
isn't just theoretical, it will reportedly surface
in real conversations with the US government.
Now, I think, imagine this, a secure Pentagon
office, quiet and windowless, where senior official
leans forward and asks, have you read your Bible
lately? Not as a casual conversation, but as
a warning. Former Intel official, Luis Elizondo,
has described encounters with individuals who
have held these views. People who believe that
investigating UAPs was not just misguided, but
potentially dangerous. To them, curiosity about
the phenomenon wasn't really a scientific inquiry.
It was about exposure. Yeah. I just kind of want
to circle back to your point. You know, so there
was that whole message to the troops where America's
helping bring back the second coming of Jesus
Christ. He poses the question, do these guys
read their Bible? I don't, A, you don't want
to live in the tribulation, right? Like it's
going to be terrible for everyone. And I don't,
again, if you read the Bible, there's a great
falling away of Christians and people who don't
give up their faith, people who won't renounce
the name of Jesus Christ, people who don't take
the mark of the beast. They're going to be executed.
I almost feel like they kind of skip a lot of
these chapters that happen from the start of
revelations to the coming back of Jesus Christ.
So why would you, A, like I said before, God
doesn't need your help. B. Why would you want
to subject yourself to probably arguably the
worst time on earth and in humanity? And third,
I don't think Jesus is telling you to go around
and bombing people and killing people and fighting
wars for, I don't know, for whatever reasons
they propose. Like Christ is about, I mean, we're
given the great commission. We're supposed to
spread the message of Jesus Christ. We're not
supposed to be spreading that message by blowing
the crap out. But I don't want to digress. I
just get a little bit, I get a little bit confused
by anyone who's saying that they're helping Jesus
come back. And in my opinion, when the false
prophet, the false Messiah comes, I think a lot
of the Jews are going to think that that is Jesus
Christ. We're going to see it as the anti -Christ.
And sometimes I wonder with this conflation of
Christian Zionism are all these Christians going
to think that when the Jewish Messiah comes back,
which I think is going to, or who the people
that the Jews think is the Messiah, I think it
will probably be the Antichrist. And are we all
going to say, oh yeah, Jesus has come back and
we're all going to kind of fall away and give
up our faith. That's a completely different rabbit
hole. And we'll probably edit some of this from
the podcast completely off topic, but anyway.
Back to the Collins elite here. This kind of
reminds me of our first episode that we did the
project blue beam about the great deception in
the sky. We've always said this, all of these
weird conspiracies kind of tie in together. You
and I like to look at what's out there and try
to find the truth into it. I wholeheartedly think
that part of the great deception is going to
be something AKA extraterrestrial. And it's interesting
that now you have all these JD Vans came out
and gave his opinion about what he thinks UFOs
are. He thinks they're demonic. You had Matt
Gaetz come out on some podcasts saying he was
briefed on human alien hybrid programs, trying
to interbreed humans with aliens so they can,
I think, intergalactically communicate. It's
all wild. Like all this stuff is starting to
come out in the mainstream narrative. Whereas
before. people would say this stuff and they
would be considered, you know, schizophrenic,
crazy. They've lost their mind or, you know,
they're grifters. But now you have these big
people in government coming out and just throwing
these narratives back out there into the mainstream.
I think it's really fascinating, especially when
a vice president, right? Gates is a little bit
of a Looney Tune for me. I know he was talking
about, you know, aliens breeding with people
they captured and like doing all kinds of weird
stuff. But I think with the VP coming out and
kind of saying the same thing and the fact that
He believes aliens are a demonic entity in some
way shape or form Which a lot of people do right
like a lot of people believe that above the firmament
It's kind of where the angels and demons are
and that's kind of how we interact with them
And they're in different forms right like I think
of the it's like the crazy clock in heaven right
that has like Ten eyeballs and 15 hands and it's
like an angel right like but it looks very weird
And I could see people interpreting either demonic
or angelic signs as an extraterrestrial alien,
because it's nothing that we have similar in
this world. But, you know, when we set the modern
figures aside, this is something that's been
kind of in the background for a while. And it
kind of goes back to these cult roots and like
these historical echoes, right? The theory becomes,
I think, even more unsettling when it intersects
with figures from the past. Crowley, which was
in a famous occultist, once sketched an entity
known as a lamb, a figure that bears a striking
resemblance to what we now call gray aliens.
Decades later, Jack Parsons, this guy was a pioneering
rocket scientist and co -founder of Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, conducted ritual experiments intended
to contact non -human intelligence. Within a
year of those experiments, the Roswell incident
would enter public record. For those who subscribe
to the Collins elite perspective, these events
are not just isolated, they are connected and
suggesting that UFO phenomenon may have roots,
not just in outer space, but also in these occult
practices and people trying to contact these
demons and bring them forth historically. Yeah,
it's interesting. And, you know, Crowley and
Jack Parsons were pretty big names. both in,
well, Parsons more so in the scientific community,
but they were both big names in the occult. You
know, that was around the forties and fifties.
So it's interesting that the origins of the Collins
elite dates back to that, to those two decades.
So, you know, amid the early waves of UFO sightings
during the cold war, according to accounts, it
formed a splinter faction from official UFO investigations
like project blue book and earlier inquiries
into Incidents such as the 1947 Roswell crash.
Insiders allegedly concluded these events defied
conventional extraterrestrial explanations, lacking
consistent physical evidence like crash, craft
debris that align with advanced alien technology.
And we've all seen the pictures of the Roswell
crash. You have this guy holding up what looks
like tin foil. You know, you got to look at it.
You're like, an alien flies on tin foil? Like,
well, what is this crap? Part of me thinks that
that picture was staged to, you know, make it
look like a weather balloon or something stupid
to kind of discredit the story. Ultimately, a
lot of these, a lot of the exhibited traits of
these craft, like you said, exhibit supernatural
traits such as like shape shifting, abductions
happen with telepathic communication, and we've
all seen the videos and these crafts pretty much
violate all laws of physics. So a lot of this
kind of points back to some of these occult practices.
And it's interesting because you spoke of lamb,
the entity that Crowley quote unquote conjured.
And that was right around 1947. I can't remember
the exact date, but I think it was in 46 or 47.
So he claimed that he opened a portal and this
is kind of when all this UFO, UAP, these abductions,
all this kind of crazy alien stuff. hit the social
zeitgeist. And I think a natural sort of pushback
to it would be a group of scientists and government
officials that have a specific religious view
or maybe even have some insider knowledge would,
I think it's natural for them to form a group
as a kind of a counter movement to what Crowley
and Parsons were doing. All really great points.
You know, one of the things I was thinking about
as you were talking through that is CERN. And
you remember watching the video with CERN where
these people put on this ritual in front of the
monument that stands in front of the CERN collider.
Like I think it's right to the entrance or something.
Yeah, it's a Shiva or something. Yeah, it's a
Shiva and they're doing like some type of ritual.
They said a ritual sacrifice, which later came
out that they thought it was just a hoax or whatever.
Who knows? You get these, this is maybe one of
my like distrust with scientists. You get these
people that are highly educated. They're clearly
very smart. And it always seems like they end
up with some kind of connective tissue to like
demonic things. And it always kind of just raises
this red flag for me. It's so weird to hear about
Crowley and Lamb and all this stuff for highly
educated people. I mean, they're like the fat,
like what was the founders of jet propulsion?
I just find it odd how they go down this weird
winding pathway. They want to say that they disbelieve
in God. They're so smart that they must be smarter
than God because they don't believe in him. But
at the same token, they're conjuring demons and
doing all kinds of weird shit. So I think it's
a lot like the intelligence agencies. It's very
compartmentalized, right? You know, you've heard
stories of Area 51 and people working on these
black projects. Heck, you know, even with 9 -11,
like you'd have certain intelligence agencies
that would have Certain pieces of information
work on it. They never shared anything and I
think it's a lot like that I think these scientists
I think there's someone at the top that understands
what they're trying to do, but they're like hey
you're working on You know particle physics you're
working on the hardware to make this machine
You're working on you can name anything right
and they're kind of piecing together They're
part of the puzzle and they can hand that puzzle
piece off to the ultimate architect And they're
the ones fitting it in so I could see why a low
-level scientist I mean, if you look at scientists
today, 40, 50 years ago, most of them didn't
believe in God. Fast forward to today, even if
they don't call God, God or Jesus, Jesus, they
still believe that. There's very few exceptions
that most of them believe in a creator. So that
as people unravel physics and the nature of our
reality, they say it's virtually impossible for
this to happen randomly. Kind of to go back to
your point, I think these people, a lot of the
people at CERN probably have no freaking clue
what they're doing. They see the statue and they're
like, okay, some weird, I don't know, occult
crap that, I don't know, I just need a job. I
love science and I want to do my art and they're
paying me tons of money and I get to be a part
of something huge. But I think ultimately they
hold a piece of the puzzle, they hand it off
and this other person is putting the pieces in
to make the picture. I think when you think about
reinterpreting some of these alien encounters,
through this lens, I think even a modern alien
abduction report takes on a different meaning.
Experiences involving sleep paralysis, shadowy
figures, telepathic communications, and overwhelming
fear are no longer seen at these neurological
anomalies or misidentified phenomenon, and instead
they are viewed as encounters with deceptive
entities. Some individuals have even reported
that invoking prayer or religious language disrupt
these experiences. A detail that I think that
reinforces the belief that these are not kind
of like these technological beings, but something
operating on this different, possibly spiritual
level according to them, which I'm a believer
in. I believe in the Bible from beginning to
end. I'm a believer in Christ. Don't know man.
I I think there are demons and aliens not aliens
but I think there are demons and angels out there
that could easily be misinterpreted because Revelations
has some crazy angels out there man as they describe
them and they can and the demons and the Free
will on this planet and they can reach out and
and do some bad things to you Yeah, and I just
kind of want to piggyback on what you said, you
know If you invoke the name of Jesus Christ these
quote -unquote abductions stop Which is, which
is very interesting in and of itself. Yeah. But
you know, in the Bible, Christ did give us powers
over the demons to cast them out, to put them
out of our experience. And then with others too,
I mean, there's certain types of demons that
can only be removed with prayer and fasting,
but Christ didn't give us that power. And I find
it super interesting that thousands upon thousands
of accounts of people invoking in the name of
Christ and the experience stopping immediately.
Not a coincidence that a group like the Collins
elite, which again, I need to stress, it's not
an official government agency, all this, and
we'll dig into this later on the episode. Between
91 and 92, a group allegedly attempted to contact
non -human entities through ancient rites and
black rituals. So now we're fast forwarding from
Crowley and Parsons to the nineties. They did
these ancient rites to control and weaponize
their psychic abilities. But this kind of backfired
reinforcing their demonic interpretation. By
1998, they produced an internal report warning
of an impending Armageddon orchestrated by these
quote unquote demonic forces. The Collins elite
is said to operate unofficially without formal
funding or recognition, a loose alliance of like
-minded individuals embedded in classified projects.
So at its heart, the Collins elite summarizes
that UFOs and alien encounters are a satanic
ruse and the key tenants are as follows. Demonic
deceptions. These aliens are not from other planets,
but interdimensional beings or fallen angels.
They deceive humans into believing in extraterrestrial
origins to road faith in God. They promote atheism
or new age spirituality, which I think probably
the latter, the new age spirituality is probably
more appealing to most people than the atheistic
part. This whole thing is kind of sent to prepare
us for a quote unquote. New world order. This
kind of harkens back to revelations. These abductions,
for instance, are seen as soul harvesting or
spiritual warfare and not really scientific experiments
like some in the UFO community are led to believe.
Yeah, that's super interesting. Have you heard
of the danger of looking too closely with the
Collins elite theory? Tell me if this doesn't
remind you of good advice that you just comes
out of the Bible. It says, one of the most chilling
aspects of the colony theory is that the ideal
of studying the phenomenon may actually increase
its influence on you. Within this framework,
attention is not just passive, but it's actually
an invitation. The more humanity seeks to understand
these entities, the more at risk engaging with
them. This arises to a disturbing possibility
that certain government programs weren't shut
down to really hide that truth, but to kind of
contain it. The secrecy. it may not actually
be about control, but more about protection.
But I just, I've always, you know, you don't
mess around with demons, man. Stay away from
all this stuff. God tells you all the time in
the Bible. And if you get closer to it, perhaps
you're kind of invited in. Well, it's interesting
you bring that up. I'm sure you've heard this
name before, but Stephen Greer, he's pretty big
in the UFO community. And he runs a group called
CE5 where they use like meditation and certain
rituals. And he claims, and there's videos of
him being able to summon orbs or UFOs. So if
you want to see them, Unfortunately, they will
manifest and it kind of harken back to your point.
It's not something you want to mess with because
it's not a little green. Come on, man. You think
a guy from, I don't know, Alpha Centauri flying
around and flying saucers, like worried about
you meditating to summon him. Like he's not a
toy. If it really wasn't alien, he's like, what
the heck is this crazy person doing? If he even
pays attention. So, you know, I think that kind
of leads some credence into that they're summoning
these sort of demonic type entities at pretty
much at will. I think everyone who listens to
this podcast kind of knows my stance on that.
That's something you don't want to, uh, open
the door to. Cause once you start going down
that road, you're going to become more deceived
and you're going to believe more and more of
the wrong sort of religion or philosophy. It's
wild to think about, right? And long before we
started seeing these orbs in the kind of the
modern UFO reports. We look at the ancient texts.
It describes beings descending down from the
sky, angels, messengers, watchers. The book of
Ezekiel describes wheels within wheels, glowing
and moving in impossible ways. Now today, some
interpret these descriptions as early encounters
with the same phenomenon that we now call UAPs,
kind of filtered through a language and a belief
system of that time. But to me, I think it's
talking about the same thing, man. It's hard
to ignore the book of Ezekiel when they're talking
about wheels within wheels and, and these things
flying around in the sky. And I don't think he'd
be talking about UFOs when he's describing, you
know, biblical prophecy in times. Yeah. And I
also think too, like the reason they look so
bizarre is because they live in different dimensions.
So like, when you look at physics, like we live
in the 3d world, like, you know, you have up,
down, left, right, you know, you have the XYZ
access, right? So we experienced life and 3d
and we have time on top of it. But if like you're
in the fifth, sixth, seventh dimension, like
visually, you're not going to be able to see
what the entity really looks like. Cause he's
going to be, he's going to be kind of phasing
in and out of our third dimension reality back
into fourth, fifth, sixth, wherever he may be
from. So you're kind of, it's kind of like if
we were living in the 2D reality, you wouldn't
really be able to see us. You don't even be able
to see a sliver of us, right? And there's interesting
concepts that you can look up on YouTube or.
TikTok or whatever, whatever social media that
kind of gives a visual representation of what
a 3D being would look like in a 2D world. So
I think we're seeing, you know, fifth, sixth,
seventh dimensional beings from a 3D perspective.
So they're going to look weird and they're going
to morph and you're going to see different aspects
of them depending on what, what part of their
entity is in your dimension, which is just kind
of a side note, which I found interesting. A
lot of times I don't agree with JD Vance, but
kind of want to read the words that he said.
And when he was being questioned about the UAPs
and what knowledge does he have about UFOs, because
obviously he has the highest level of security
clearance you could have. So he has access to
plenty of information out there. And his exact
words were, I don't think they're aliens. I think
they're demons. When I hear about extra natural
phenomenon, that's where I go. The Christian
understanding that there's a lot of good out
there, but there's also a lot of evil out there.
I think one of the devil's greatest tricks is
to convince people that he never existed. Then
Vance goes on to say he hopes to have access
to documents regarding undefined flying objects
and extraterrestrial beings. at some point over
the next three years of his career so that he
can kind of purve his concept. But obviously,
he probably already has a lot of background information.
And I think it is kind of like a devil's trick,
right? Like when we think about everybody wants
to see Bigfoot, everybody wants to see the UFO
come out of the sky because they think it's really
cool. Sometimes the people just use it to say
God doesn't actually exist We're just a small
little thing in a big spinning ball and a major
universe and we just happen by mistake It is
a good distraction for bad stuff So yeah, let's
just kind of talk about the history of this a
little bit and how it came about So we kind of
talked about the history pre Nick Redfern's book
called final events, which was published in 2010
He was contacted by a gentleman named Richard
Duke, which What's not his real name. I don't
think after inquiring with the air force do claim
that the elite saw UFOs as demonic with goals
of control and weaponize them via rituals. So
we kind of touched on a bit. So Redfern sources
warned of deception. The human race was being
deceived in the blame. And it was receiving visitations
from aliens. Again, we talked about that when
in reality. They were demonic forces squaring
up for Armageddon. Redfern continues discussing
it in interviews noting internal dissent over
disclosure. So essentially what that means is
that the people in this quote unquote group,
the Collins elite thought it best not to disclose
what these UFOs really are. They thought it would
destroy religious systems. It would destroy a
lot of culture. And they didn't think that I
guess the zeitgeist, the human zeitgeist could
handle it culturally or religiously. So this
group's argument is that it's best not to disclose
what it is though we know, but to disclose it
would cause massive civil unrest. So it would
be best not to, to kind of leave it vague and
opaque and let people kind of come to their own
conclusions. But then we moved to a fella named
Ray Boshay. I hope it's, I'm hoping I I'm saying
his name correctly, but He's a theologian who
claimed to have met with two Department of Defense
members in 1991 and 92. They revealed research
into psychotronic weapons and non -human entity
contacts. They admitted that these entities were
demonic with extraordinary and lethal mental
powers. Boshay was told attempts to exploit them
involved in crackpot rituals, which AKA I think
means occultic or ancient or demonic. I mean,
whatever word you kind of want to. fill in there,
I think these DOD members he claimed to have
talked to are probably not into that. And so
they would probably use that term crackpot, but
this kind of led to some sort of ethical boundary
that they weren't willing to cross. Again, they
all believe that these UFOs are interdimensional
beings. So then you talked about, uh, Luis Elizondo
a bit. He was a former. A T I P head. He was
the head of the advanced aerospace threat identification
program who admitted in 2024, confirming he encountered
the Collins elite himself. He described them
as a faction of us government insiders, opposing
UFO research, believing aliens are demonic and
that investigation amplifies their influence.
Elizondo believes that their Christian viewpoint
blocks transparency. into what this phenomenon
actually is. So there's also another interesting
fella. I'm going to chop his name up too, but
forgive me. His name is Jason Giorgiani. He claims
Peter Thiel now leads this group, framing UFOs
as demonic to control narratives. Giorgiani alleges
Thiel's tech empire aligns with suppressing interdimensional
truths, which is interesting because I think
you've probably seen, read the articles. I've
seen them a lot. I'm sure a lot of people have.
But he seems to be obsessed with the Antichrist
now. Have you, have you seen that kind of come
out in the media? So it's interesting that this
Georgiani fella claims that now Peter Thiel heads
this group and he, he's obsessed with the Antichrist.
So too bad, too bad we were not big enough to
interview him. But we're going to move on to
a fella named Brian Allen and Tony Topping. In
the 2023 documentary, God versus aliens, they
assert the elite, quote unquote, suppresses UFO
info by labeling it as demonic. I think they
kind of have the alternate point of view that
because the elite, the powers of B or even, I
guess you can kind of read into it a bit. The
Collins elite is labeling it demonic in order
to suppress. the actual information as to what
it is. So Tony Topping, an alleged abductee,
so let's just pause. He claims to have been abducted,
right? So if you get abducted, you're probably,
if you don't have that discernment, you don't
have that religious base, you're probably going
to believe that you got abducted by aliens, right?
But he claims direct knowledge. Okay. Again,
this is where it gets a little bit fuzzy for
me, but he claims that you're being lied to by
those in power, including the consulate. So again,
this group comes up again. He insists that the
universe is populated, but framed as satanic
to hide the truce. And the last one I'm going
to talk about, and we can kind of dig into these
a little bit more, if you'd like a Michael Schellenberger
in 2024, reference a call influence UFO investigations
tied to the elite view and UAP as demonic entities.
So you have a lot of, uh, I guess you could call
them primary sources to either the experience
or to working with these people in this group.
Most of it seems to be people claiming that it
is in fact interdimensional or demonic with some
people suggesting like Tony topping that it's
they're using that word that veil in order to
hide what it really is a K actual little green
man or what have you aliens out there all across
the universe. I always think it's funny, right?
When we hear like, you know, we can't tell you
because it would blow your mind. It kind of reminds
me of that Trumpism. If you ever listen to Trump
talk, everything's in absolutes, right? It's
the most big, that's most beautiful. It's the
worst thing ever, right? Always at these very
extreme. Very hyperbolic. And it's so big and
beautiful. It will blow your mind. I can't tell
you to use your imagination, but the biggest
bombs in the entire world, right? Like, and that's
what I think about a lot of people is just like,
It just would blow your mind. One of the guys
that came out was a guy's name was Jacques Vallee.
He was a respected scientist and UFO researcher.
He has long argued that the phenomenon behaves
less like extraterrestrial visitation and more
like this form or control system, something that
interacts with humanity in a way that shapes
beliefs, perceptions, and culture. He stops short
of calling it demonic, but he emphasizes it's
deceptive, right? It's adaptive in nature. It
appears differently depending on the error of
the observer or the expectations. Not just seen,
but experienced. And now we're getting to this
form of control and it's like harking back to
the Project Blue Beam episode where he's coming
out and he's respected and he's saying that maybe
it's not UFOs, but perhaps it's a control system
and he almost goes to the edge and says demonic,
but doesn't quite do it. But I could see that.
So yeah, let's talk a little bit about the alleged
members of structure here. The foundational figures
in this quote unquote Collins elite group include
intelligence officers from the CIA, the DOD,
particularly in the 1950s through the 1980s.
A guy by the name of Richard Duke, which we talked
about briefly, claimed to be the last CIA veteran
that was associated with the Collins elite. So
I guess my question to you, Dave, do you think
the Collins elite exists? It's a good question.
Does it exist? Probably. I'm a strong believer
and I think it's less likely that there's these
extraterrestrial beings somewhere in our universe
versus demonic and angelic forces. I just think
they get interpreted differently because they're
not what you expect they should be. We know through
biblical passages that angels can come and appear
like me and you and be in front of you or they
can appear as something totally different. And
we don't understand everything, and more importantly,
we're not supposed to, right? Because we have
a pretty narrow focus of what we should be doing
here on this earth, and that's worshiping God
and, you know, singing Jesus, you know, praises
and converting people to Christianity and doing
the mission that God put us here for. So we're
not intended to understand everything, though.
Once we die, and if we serve appropriately, we
will understand those things. What I find confusing,
and as long as we've been doing this show, a
lot of our things come down to these kind of
demonic UFO encounters, right? Whether we're
talking about Antarctica or we're talking about
whatever, CERN, it always comes up. What I find
interesting is some of these historical UFO events.
I was looking at the Fatima event of 1917. And
Fadima Portugal, thousands gathered after children
reported visions of a luminous being. What followed
was described as the miracle of the sun, a spinning
erratic object in the sky witnessed by a crowd.
At that time, it was interpreted as a religious
event. Today, some re -examined it through obviously
a different lens, a mass UAP sighting. The same
event in kind of these two different interpretations,
one spiritual, one technology. And the question
is, which one is closer to the truth? And I don't
see it as UAP. I see it as influence. We could
see the aerial school encounter of 1994. This
was in Zimbabwe. Over 60 school children reported
seeing a craft land near the school. They described
beings who communicated telepathically, delivering
messages about the environment and humanity's
future. The consistency of their accounts has
really made the case difficult to dismiss. But
what stands out is not just what they saw, but
how it was delivered, not through tech, but through
like this direct mental communication, more vision
than visitation. And when you're seeing these
mass encounters, which are much more difficult
to discount, because it's just one coop down
the street that lives under a bridge that said
he was abducted 20 years ago. And they're all
telling you the same story. I think people want
to stamp UAP on it and they want to forget that
demons exist because guess what? Demons are hell
of a lot more scary and they should be driving
you straight to Jesus when you're doing that.
But I, I'm a believer man. A believer in the
Collins elite or? Yeah. I mean, I, what they're,
what they're saying when it comes to demonic
entities being UAPs, these are renowned and they're,
they, the people exist. So I do. Yeah, I agree
too. I mean, does the Collins elite exist in
theory? I think, yeah. I mean, obviously it's
not official, but it could just be something
as simple as a bunch of people with like -minded
thoughts getting together and contacting each
other and having these discussions kind of off
the record. It's interesting too, because the
name cons elite people are like, well, where'd
it come from? And the thought is that it was
either a surname of somebody who was in it. It
was a location that they initially met at, or
it was a location of a town that they would have
these meetings. But I would assume back in probably
like the forties, fifties, all the way up to
probably modern time within the past decade.
If you talked about this stuff openly in governments,
or if you talked about this stuff openly as a
scientist. You probably ran a high risk of losing
your job or your credibility. So you would probably
form a secret quote unquote group to have these
off the record discussions in order not to jeopardize
your career, which seems to make the most sense.
Obviously there's not a CollinsElite .com website
to go join. in the kind of a tongue -in -cheek
sense, I think it probably is a secret society.
The thing that kind of starts starting to perk
my interest is that now you have guys like Peter
Thiel constantly talking about the Antichrist.
You have scientists who, I mean, go back to Jack
Parsons. He was pretty much single -handedly
responsible for making JPL jet propulsion labs.
So you have the guys on one side of the coin
who believe in this demonic stuff and who are
actively trying to invoke some sort of a cult
practice and ritual, which I think you see with
CERN. And I think, again, as stated before, the
natural kind of counterculture movement would
be for a lot of like -minded Christians or people
who believe that this is demonic to kind of form.
I get a little bit nervous when I see people
like Peter feel quote unquote running this group
when I'm not entirely sure where their faith
base is. I mean, I can imagine, I mean, cultures
all across the planet believe in demonic activity,
right? You don't necessarily have to be a Christian
in order to think demons exist. They exist in
Far East cultures. They exist in Indian cultures.
They exist in just about every culture you can
imagine. So, but I think when I hear rich and
powerful names within these supposed groups.
I think of them being co -opted and led astray.
And that's kind of where I'm sitting with it
at the moment. And this makes me a little nervous
because all these guys are building the AI, the
autonomous robots, the autonomous cars. At a
certain point in time, you know, Elon Musk, he
had a interesting podcast interview with Joe
Rogan. And one of his outcomes to this was...
like a universal basic income where everybody's
filthy rich. Dude, there are 8 billion people
in the world. 90 % of them live below the poverty
line. A lot of them struggle to make basic ends
meet, food, water, et cetera. Do you think they're
gonna make 8 billion people filthy rich? There's
not enough nice houses that house 8 billion people.
You go to places like India, a billion people
in that country, over a billion. China, I mean,
though they have tons of land. I mean, most people
are pulled up in the city. There's no economic
system that's going to flip the switch in even
a decade and be able to realistically provide
all this. And then I think back to the Georgia
guys stones, which were blown up, I think during
COVID and the elites ultimately, it was written
on the damn stone. He helps in the ideal earth
population is 500 million. So. You know, they're
trying to sell you this whole narrative about
this, you know, utopia, whatever they're trying
to sell you. That sounds too good to be true.
Let me tell you, it's too good to be true. And
ultimately it worries me that when all these
this AI, the, the quote unquote robot revolution
comes around that they're not going to need you.
They're not going, going to want to harvest the
heck out of the earth and provide that. Minerals
or resources the energy the food and what have
you in order to support what they consider dead
weight Yeah, let me clear right like when I was
talking about Collins elite and it doesn't exist.
I do You know, I also look at it more like an
ideology We've talked about a lot of famous people
and it's a way of view in the world It's a it's
a worldview that it's not aliens. It's demonic
forces. So I do Do you think it's, I think it
exists and there's a lot of interesting government
groups out there that do really interesting work.
You know, sometimes I think most people, all
they really care about is power, control, and
money. That's, that's what they want to kind
of lord over people and kind of find their version
of a fiefdom and be a king somewhere and, and
lord it over folks. Sometimes I wonder. Obviously,
we know how Jesus came way back in the times,
but let's just pretend like we wrote his history
for a second. If Jesus came today, how would
people, and he will one day obviously again,
but how would people respond? A lot of people
says, well, I would believe if I could see it.
Well, if people were seeing it in modern times
today, whether if they're angelic beings or ...
I wonder if there's a group out there that has
... documented, you know, demon, demonic activity
from a high level, angelic activity from a high
level miracles that they just try to bury because
they don't want people to truly follow Christ,
give up their belongings and, you know, follow
the Christian roadway because they want to exert
that control and say, hey, look at me. So we
see a lot of Christian revivalism occurring right
now. And Trump and his administration, they lead
a lot of that Christian revitalism. But are they
really Christians? My theory is no. I just don't.
You see a lot of people praying for your president
and that's great. I think we should be praying
for our president. But the thing that twisted
me was when he was like, he's basically saying,
I'm going to go to hell. If you're trying to
bring about revelations and you think you're
going to go to hell, all those things are in
direct contradiction with each other. Then to
me, it's like, what's your ulterior motive? Is
it power, control of money? that kind of seems
like more a realistic option to me in that particular
scenario. So I wonder if people like Collins
Elite or if there is like a true government entity
is trying to cover up some of these very real
things in our world and just tell you you're
crazy and move on with your life. I mean, I think
a lot of things start off with the good in mind,
right? You see a bunch of guys doing weird cult
stuff. You notice the the fact that they're doing
these rituals and then you're like, wow, everyone's
seeing weird crap in the sky. And then you're
probably thinking to yourself, well, I don't,
you know, I know the occult exists, but like,
this has to be demonic. Let's form a group. I
ultimately think all this stuff ends up getting
co -opted, right? Everything good tends to get
co -opted by people infiltrating that and superimposing
their own agendas to it. And, you know, I really
struggle because you see a lot of these politicians.
They want to talk about Christ. And listen, I'm
not here to judge them, but it just seems to
be all over the place now in a disingenuous sense.
And I think a lot of these politicians, they
lick their finger, put it in the air and see
which way the wind's blown. And they kind of
take the pulse of what culture and their constituents
are saying in order to get reelected. Ultimately,
I think a lot of these people, they don't care.
They probably don't even believe, or at least
believe the way that you're supposed to. They're
just trying to co -opt this Christian movement.
I think conspiracy of all things is co -opted
beyond belief. Like you look into conspiracy
now, there's a lot of truth in it, but there's
also a lot of weird deception in bringing up
Gates, like talking about, you know, a politician,
like a fairly famous politician talking about
alien and human interbreeding programs. Like
five years ago, he would be, he would, it would
not be accepted. He would be forced out of office.
He'd probably be thrown in a psych ward. But
now these, this conspiracy genre is just co -opted
with so many people who I think are embedded
with the government, the intelligence agencies.
they're starting to embed themselves into Christianity.
And I, you know, eventually I think we'll get
around to doing an episode about a lot of these
churches and their false teachings and how they're
kind of trying to, again, co -op the faith in
order to lead people astray. And the other thing,
next time Christ comes back, he's coming back
as a warrior king. He's not coming back as the
gentle savior. Like he's coming back to finish
the job. And that's kind of, I mean, that's terrifying.
You have God coming down to say, hey, I gave
you your, however many thousands of years to
repent and get right with me and preach my word.
And now it's time to uproot all this evil and
let's restart this again. Yeah. It comes down
to if, if you believe in the rapture, you pre
trip or post trip, when you think the rapture
is going to occur for some of these guys, because
if it's post and they're going to go through
a whole lot of shit, if they want to bring around
the revelation, do you think somebody like Matt
Gates, right? What's their motivation for What
does it say if he was saying the truth or not?
Like what's his motivation for bringing up this
interbreeding program? Why are they doing it?
I think is it, is it just for fame or like, do
you have another take on it? Well, I mean, dude,
politicians I really struggle with, man. I think
a lot of them, they bring this stuff up. Again,
it goes back to like trying to co -opt a movement
and saying your piece. I use the term movement
loosely. I, it's not a movement. It's just, I
think it's part of human nature to question.
And a lot of conspiracy is people questioning
stuff. So is it a movement? I think inherently
no, but I think it's starting to become a movement.
I also think he says it because he wants to get
back into the narrative, right? Like he wants
to be one of the people, you know, Obama was
interviewed about UFOs and he's like, yeah, they
exist, but I had never seen them. And there's
nothing that area 51, but they are true. And
then Trump got all ticked off and says he shouldn't
have been saying anything. And now the government
has opened, I guess, published a website called.
Alien .gov or something. So they're getting ready
to release something. And I think you see these
politicians getting in front of it so they can
say, yeah, I helped do that. Yeah, you're welcome.
Yeah, you should elect me again. Does he know
stuff that most people don't know? Absolutely.
Whether or not he's telling you the truth about
what it is, who knows? You know, there's all
kind of, I mean, if we can talk about this alien
human interbreeding program for hours and hours
and maybe one day we'll do an episode on it,
but. There's all kinds of stories about people
saying, you know, a big part about the abduction
phenomenon is women getting their eggs taken,
men getting their, you know, their reproductive
juices taken. It's a, it's a, it's a, so it has
a lot to do with like some weird sexual abuse,
right? Like that's a big narrative with it. And
you know, and it kind of piggybacks off this,
this interbreeding theory. But then you have
guys, like you look at the Epstein files, he
was obsessed with genetic engineering. He was
obsessed with it. Like he, he, he financed a
ton of people to isolate genes for certain characteristics
and qualities. A lot of these people are obsessed
with it. Part of me thinks they're obsessed with
it because they want to figure out life extension
because they don't want to die. They want to
live as long as they possibly can. Part of me
thinks that they want to alter their gene code
to quote unquote be superhuman. And I think that's
in the Bible and revelations, it says the end
times will be like the days of Noah. So then
you have Nephilim there and there. They're giants.
They're super strong or smart. You know, they
have all these abilities. And I think these people
want to be the not necessarily giants per se,
but they want to be superhuman in their own way
compared to us. I mean, why else would you be
obsessed with this genetic engineering part?
And then on top of that, these people saying
that there's human alien interbreeding programs
are supposed to be, you know, people in positions
of authority who you assume are not psychotic
or crazy or lost. Pretty wild. It's a wild world
we've been in. And that's just what we know as
people. But yeah, wild stuff, man. Yeah, it's
nuts, man. We're definitely living in an interesting
time. You know, before we wrap this episode up,
what do you make of the Iran world? What are
your thoughts? What do you think? That's an interesting
conversation with it. I always like to kind of
get other people's point of view. So my opinion
is that we rightfully should have gone to war
with Iran. I do think that they are one of the
big evil bad guys out there. They've proven it
by killing their own people. It's an evil empire
that needs justice. Do I think it's Christian
based kind of war? Absolutely not. I think it's
a war based upon financial means. They want to
control the street. Everybody wants to control
the street and they want to control the oil rights.
I don't think it's about freeing the Iranian
people. I think it's about exerting control,
about protecting Israel, about show force of
our allies. I mean, it's kind of interesting
that we want to war with Venezuela for a day.
And then we took the president, which is an oil
rich nation. And then shortly after we invade
another oil rich nation. So I think it's about
a war about power and control and money and finances
and and really trying to own the Strait of Hormuz.
So I think it's a word based on those foundations.
Now, what do I think the ultimate outcome going
to be? I think eventually we're going to stop
because Trump is going to be under economic pressure
with the price of oil that's keep going up. And
I think the Iranians can outlast the economic
pressure that's going to be put on the United
States to kind of in that war. But you never
know. You know, there's a lot of rumors out there
that we're gearing up for a limited ground invasion.
We've moved components of the 82nd Airborne out
there, special operators and amphibious assaults.
I think we take Karg Island out there. So I think
potentially we take that because that's the major
economic hub and potentially one of the reasons
why we want the war in the first place. But do
I think it's... Biblically setting at least at
this juncture. I don't, I think they play a component
in the end of times, but I just don't say we're
there yet. I struggle with it. I did read an
interesting report. And again, this is all who
knows how accurate it is that the Chinese have
amassed like a hundred thousand troops ascend.
If America actually in fact does do a ground
invasion and Russia has mobilized their Chechen
branch of war fighters to go into. And I think
most Chechens are actually. Islamic or they're
Muslims to go fight, which that could spiral
if that happens. I don't personally think that
we should send any more boots on the ground to
any war. I just don't. I mean, we have bombs
and missiles and I feel like he said he wanted
regime change. He took out the dude. Now you
have to start trying to influence them without
sending hundreds of thousands of American soldiers.
Which are going to die, not all of them, of course,
but I mean, it's war, like weird stuff happens,
like stuff you can't predict. And I think if
he does that, and that turns into a quagmire
thing, I think his presidency's over, I don't
think he'll actually see another Republican in
office for a long time, because he promised to
get out of the war. And I could see why the Israelis,
what I ran out of the picture, I mean... You
had the October 7th attack. Of course, you know,
of course they're going to want to try to take
out their enemies. Of course they're going to
protect themselves. And I think a lot of it is
Trump trying to help them do that, but there
has to be a line in the sand where like, Hey,
we did this. We destroyed their military. We'll
still help defend you, but we're not going to
put ground troops. We tried that in Iraq and
Afghanistan. It didn't work, you know. Like you
take out the leadership, you swear their military,
you give them incentives to do the right thing.
I mean, they could be a very rich nation if they
just became more, I guess, economic versus like
a religious state. I mean, there's all kinds
of Middle Eastern countries that are filthy rich
because they have oil. Iran has oil. Let's just
be reasonable. Like stop, stop attacking the
Jews. Stop trying to wipe them off the base of
the planet. Like let's just chill. What's interesting
about Iran is because pre the Islam revolution,
which was what in the 70s, like 72 or something
like that, it was one of the most liberal Middle
Eastern countries out there. Most Iranians want
to have freedom. They want to live in a more
open society, a more free society. I think we
have an advantage because culturally they're
much closer to us than the Iraqis or others that
are part of the Middle East. I can tell you is
that we will never win a war by just bombing.
You have to put boots on the ground. You just,
you do. You can accomplish military targets.
You can, you can take out military targets, but
you're never going to win a war. You just got
to dig in long enough until You, you're wasting
million dollar bombs on $15 targets. And Iran's
got underground cities. They got underground
bunkers. They've been diverting all their wealth
to kind of dig in for this long fight. It didn't
probably start as our war, meaning that we really
didn't have to bomb them. We could have gotten
out of it. But I think we're so far in right
now that we do need substantial change in order
to stop. Meaning that, right. What I can tell
you, if you pulled out today and said, we're
not going to bomb anymore. We're going to go
home. What you're going to see is a toll system
in the strait. They're going to be charging every
boat to go through there. You're going to see
the cost of barrel go up. It's going to be a
worse environment for the global economy than
if we've never bombed them at all. And we're
not stopping their missiles yet. They're still
a giant threat. They're still attacking the UAE.
They're still attacking their neighbors. They're
still attacking Israel, still attacking our bases.
So that we've blown up a lot. We really haven't
stopped or changed a lot. And I tell you, I worry
about if we leave like the current religious
leader that's in place now. If I was that guy,
I would be an evil genius, right? Because you
think about it, he's a son. His father was murdered.
His mother was murdered. His kids were murdered.
Everybody close to him was murdered and he was
disfigured. You just created a really bad dude
that's going to run that country now. So I think
we're in war shape. I'm not a proponent of war.
I'm not a proponent of putting boots on the ground
because that's always scary stuff and loss of
life. And you try to figure out why you're doing
it, but I almost wonder if we're, we're too far
gone yet to kind of stop at this point. So I
think if we don't finish the job, I think economically
it's going to be really rough. My red line in
the sand is like putting boots on. I mean, you
watch the whole generation of people we know
suffer. I mean, a lot, I mean, like people died,
but I think the biggest problem is that you have
like this epidemic of veterans with PTSD and
having trouble to acclimate. You don't want to
send another generation that suffered. And ultimately,
at the end of the day, we left Afghanistan. No
better than it was when we went in. Iran's a
bigger country with more people, more land mass.
You're not going to win that. We don't have conventional
armies standing on the fields like we did in
World War I or World War II, like when the armies
died or retreated or surrendered, things changed.
Wars not really like that anymore. It's not super
conventional, at least in that region of the
world. And I think if you put boots on the ground,
you're stuck there for another 20 years. and
you're decimating another generation of men and
women, for what? There has to be a different
solution, you know? Yeah. It's a tough spot now
that we've kind of pulled that trigger in my
mind. I think you have to change borders, meaning
that you have to push them far enough away from
the strait that they can't exert that control.
You dig in for 20 years, you wait for the oil
pipelines to be rerouted around there so they
no longer need that body of water, and then you
leave. I mean, I think that's the realistic future.
Now what we do, I know our country is very pressured
on the economy. And if, you know, D -Day for
us is barrel reaching $200 a barrel, right? Like
that's going to, you know, pit it as it back
into a great recession. And those, I mean, we
have a president right now, the biggest, his
biggest thing is the economy. So it's hard to
see how it's going to shake out, but it's not
looking great. I just think if you do put this
on the ground, then I think there's a potential
for World War three. Cause I do think the Russian
and Chinese are going to be like, no, like we're
going to, I think it will spiral out of control.
Then it would bad, but you know, then the day
there has to be a big war in order for all the
revelation stuff to start to take place. So that's
the scary part to me. You know, I think we're
in a position where we can leave or step back
at least in terms of what we're doing and try
to negotiate without putting boots on the ground
and saying, yo, here are two or three things
that we need for you. If you give them, then
yeah, you can chill. But I think if we do put,
I think it's going to be bad. I really did. I
haven't heard the reports of the Chinese troops.
Um, it's one of those kind of those, I call them
gray reports where you have to kind of question
the person you're hearing it from. Cause I think
there's a lot of fear mongering with some of
these people, whether or not it's true. I don't
know. But I know the Russians are pretty picked
off about the whole Ukrainian thing. I mean,
like it or not, maybe we didn't send people in
directly. We did finance it. We still give them
weapons and thousands of people from Western
Europe and America want to fight in that war.
So I'm sure there's a little bit of a kind of
a hope that we do so they can send people in
and make it more difficult and get us bogged
down and suffer thousands and thousands of casualties.
Just as like a way to pay it pays back. I could,
I could definitely see the Russia. I mean, we've
been fighting a proxy war with Russia for, you
know, generation, right? Like we were fighting
them in Iraq and everything else in Afghanistan.
So we have been combating those folks in Syria
and everywhere else. Right. So we've been trading
those blows. I would be shocked if the Chinese
did it in my mind, because they're more of a,
we're going to worry about our own kind of bubble
where like they don't have a lot of international
bases or anything. and they don't have much of
a need for Iran versus Russia actually does have
a need for Iran, right? Like they produce a lot
of their weapon systems, like drones and stuff
that they're currently using in their war with
Ukraine. So I would be shocked if the Chechens
came in, if we pick ground troops on. Yeah, but
that was way off topic from the Collins elite.
Any parting thoughts before we wrap this up?
No, I think it was a good conversation. It's
good to be back in the mix again still a little
bit rusty taking some time off, but Good having
a good talk and you know, I'm I'm of the account
that I was a couple of months ago I do think
you know this UFO activity could very well be
demonic activity and some of these rural circumstances
Obviously, there's just a lot of noise out there
to people making things up. I do think there's
likely a government body that studies this information
that are probably made up of very smart people.
And we all don't know about it. But I think it's
a real deal. And, you know, we see that resounding
through the scientific community. We told the
stories this evening of a lot of people viewing
it through this very same lens. So I just remind
folks, you know, use your discernment, be smart,
read your Bible, stay close to the Lord, and
we're we're stepping one direction in the right
direction. So we're good. Yeah, and remember
we love you Jesus loves you and don't summon
any UFOs from CE5, please It's not to my house
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