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Jay, if you're 00:01:15.099 --> 00:01:17.260 driving down north, past the vineyards, past 00:01:17.260 --> 00:01:19.560 the redwoods, there's a stretch where the road 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:21.980 starts to feel like it's kind of narrowing on 00:01:21.980 --> 00:01:24.579 purpose. Yeah, and then you hit a part most people 00:01:24.579 --> 00:01:27.159 never see the gate the private road the private 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:30.469 security the private just about everything That's 00:01:30.469 --> 00:01:33.370 right. Because behind it is Bohemian Grove, about 00:01:33.370 --> 00:01:36.870 2 ,700 acres of redwood forest near Monte Rio. 00:01:37.230 --> 00:01:40.049 It's operated by the Bohemian Club, a San Francisco 00:01:40.049 --> 00:01:43.849 institution that dates back to 1872. Yeah. And 00:01:43.849 --> 00:01:46.849 the important word is what they call it. Started 00:01:46.849 --> 00:01:49.930 as a late 1800 summer outing and turned into 00:01:49.930 --> 00:01:53.290 a yearly mid -July gathering that runs for more 00:01:53.290 --> 00:01:55.209 than two weeks. Yeah, what's kind of interesting, 00:01:55.370 --> 00:01:57.609 right, is the guest list is where the mystique 00:01:57.609 --> 00:02:00.709 kind of gets that oxygen. Politicians, executives, 00:02:01.390 --> 00:02:03.989 major media, and cultural figures. They're kind 00:02:03.989 --> 00:02:06.230 of people who don't usually mingle anywhere that 00:02:06.230 --> 00:02:08.270 has, you know, a check -in desk. Which is why 00:02:08.270 --> 00:02:10.750 the public hears retreat and the conspiracy world 00:02:10.750 --> 00:02:13.409 hears backroom, or more accurately, boardroom 00:02:13.409 --> 00:02:16.530 in the woods. Then there's that whole crazy owl 00:02:16.530 --> 00:02:18.389 thing, that owl shrine that they have, right? 00:02:18.389 --> 00:02:20.689 And they burn that effigy as they kind of gather 00:02:20.689 --> 00:02:23.219 around it. It looks like worship, almost. Yeah, 00:02:23.259 --> 00:02:24.699 I know exactly what you're talking about. It's 00:02:24.699 --> 00:02:26.699 called the cremation of care. And if you read 00:02:26.699 --> 00:02:29.259 any primary descriptions of this event, it's 00:02:29.259 --> 00:02:32.280 basically a theatrical ritual, symbolic, very 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:34.539 deliberate and dramatic meant to kick off the 00:02:34.539 --> 00:02:37.020 encampment by leaving your worries at the gate. 00:02:37.289 --> 00:02:39.129 Yeah, but the aesthetics are kind of the point, 00:02:39.250 --> 00:02:41.789 right? When you build a 30 or 40 foot tall owl 00:02:41.789 --> 00:02:44.009 and the kind of light it up like a cathedral 00:02:44.009 --> 00:02:46.870 in the trees, I think you're inviting these conspiracy 00:02:46.870 --> 00:02:49.610 theories. Absolutely. And after that comes the 00:02:49.610 --> 00:02:51.949 lakeside talks, closed sessions where high level 00:02:51.949 --> 00:02:54.969 guests speak under a culture of discretion and 00:02:54.969 --> 00:02:57.250 silence. There are even declassified examples 00:02:57.250 --> 00:03:00.770 that confirm that this format exists. Yeah, absolutely. 00:03:01.110 --> 00:03:02.990 So tonight we're not doing what I kind of call 00:03:02.990 --> 00:03:04.729 the lazy question, right? We're not asking, is 00:03:04.729 --> 00:03:06.990 it real? Of course it's real. How did an arts 00:03:06.990 --> 00:03:09.189 and social club become a private summer camp 00:03:09.189 --> 00:03:11.870 for some of the most elite people in the country 00:03:11.870 --> 00:03:14.229 and arguably the world? And then we're going 00:03:14.229 --> 00:03:16.569 to talk about what's documented, what's exaggerated, 00:03:16.569 --> 00:03:19.050 and why both versions keep surviving. Well, here 00:03:19.050 --> 00:03:22.110 we go. Welcome to the Bohemian Grove. So why 00:03:22.110 --> 00:03:24.550 don't we get into a little bit to the background 00:03:24.550 --> 00:03:26.870 of Bohemian Grove. It's a private campground 00:03:26.870 --> 00:03:29.870 covering 2 ,700 acres in Mount Rio, California. 00:03:29.969 --> 00:03:32.729 Founded in 1878, it's owned by a private gentleman's 00:03:32.729 --> 00:03:34.650 club called the Bohemian Club. Each member of 00:03:34.650 --> 00:03:37.389 the S -1 executive committee and represents from 00:03:37.389 --> 00:03:40.009 major universities, industry, and the U .S. military. 00:03:40.169 --> 00:03:42.490 Although Oppenheimer was not a member of the 00:03:42.490 --> 00:03:44.539 S -1 committee, at the time, he and Lawrence 00:03:44.539 --> 00:03:47.199 hosted the meeting there, and that discussion 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.419 held there contributed to the broader development 00:03:49.419 --> 00:03:52.979 of the atomic bomb. In July of 1915, Dwight Eisenhower 00:03:52.979 --> 00:03:55.120 and Richard Nixon met each other for the first 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:57.460 time as guests of former president Herbert Hoover 00:03:57.460 --> 00:04:00.000 at Caveman Camp, a section of Bohemian Grove, 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:03.159 at a small group lunch with the host Hoover giving 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.099 a toast and Eisenhower giving a short speech, 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:08.340 followed by a time spent around the campfire. 00:04:08.740 --> 00:04:10.979 Nixon, for his part, was in the middle of his 00:04:10.979 --> 00:04:13.270 successful Senate campaign. saying, having impressed 00:04:13.270 --> 00:04:15.530 Hoover with his political ability, especially 00:04:15.530 --> 00:04:18.589 for playing a big role in taking down Algar Hiss 00:04:18.589 --> 00:04:21.009 before the House Un -American Activities Committee 00:04:21.009 --> 00:04:23.889 concerning charges that have been committed espionage. 00:04:24.089 --> 00:04:25.829 Eisenhower at the time was the president of Columbia 00:04:25.829 --> 00:04:28.209 University and he was a guest of honor. However, 00:04:28.209 --> 00:04:31.209 it was more his political future that interested 00:04:31.209 --> 00:04:33.529 the group of Hoover's associates and friends 00:04:33.529 --> 00:04:35.870 who were mostly old guard conservatives, including 00:04:35.870 --> 00:04:38.629 Hoover, who were more inclined to support Ohio 00:04:38.629 --> 00:04:41.829 Senator Robert Taft in the upcoming 1952 United 00:04:41.829 --> 00:04:44.550 States presidential election. But what's interesting 00:04:44.550 --> 00:04:46.730 is hearing what the potential future president 00:04:46.730 --> 00:04:49.670 has had to stay. At the table during lunch, Nixon 00:04:49.670 --> 00:04:52.110 sat just a few seats down on the left across 00:04:52.110 --> 00:04:54.529 from Eisenhower, who sat to his right next to 00:04:54.529 --> 00:04:57.149 Hoover, who sat at the head of the table. At 00:04:57.149 --> 00:04:59.050 some point during the gathering, Eisenhower and 00:04:59.050 --> 00:05:01.610 Nixon had a brief conversation. Former U .S. 00:05:01.610 --> 00:05:04.310 President Herbert Hoover was inducted into the 00:05:04.310 --> 00:05:07.490 club's old guard on March 4th, 1953, having joined 00:05:07.490 --> 00:05:09.649 the Bohemian club exactly four years earlier. 00:05:09.810 --> 00:05:11.720 The requirement for the staff status. The Redwood 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:14.420 branches from the Grove were flown to the Waldorf 00:05:14.420 --> 00:05:17.120 Astoria Hotel in New York City to decorate a 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.519 banquet room for the occasion. In his acceptance 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:21.300 speech, Hoover compared the honor of the old 00:05:21.300 --> 00:05:24.079 guard status to his role as senior advisor to 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:26.959 later presidents, which included Ronald Reagan, 00:05:27.180 --> 00:05:30.339 Richard Nixon, Glenn T. Seaborg, Jack Sparks, 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.680 Kevin Winters, and other individuals. Behavior 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.420 at the campground has really just led to numerous 00:05:36.420 --> 00:05:39.160 claims and even some parody in popular culture. 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.620 One example example was President Richard Nixon's 00:05:41.620 --> 00:05:44.639 comments from May 13th, 1971 tape recording, 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:47.339 talking about upper -class San Franciscans. The 00:05:47.339 --> 00:05:49.660 Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time, 00:05:49.980 --> 00:05:52.439 is the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:55.639 imagine with the San Francisco crowd. In 2019, 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.000 the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors informed 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.040 the club that after that year, the county would 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.879 no longer provide law enforcement or security. 00:06:03.259 --> 00:06:05.819 Until mid -July, the Bohemian Grove hosted an 00:06:05.819 --> 00:06:08.240 annual gathering lasting more than two weeks, 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.620 attended by... invited members and guests from 00:06:10.620 --> 00:06:13.339 politics, business, and the arts. Now they have 00:06:13.339 --> 00:06:16.620 a long history of presidential candidates, setting 00:06:16.620 --> 00:06:19.620 presidents like Bush himself, all attending this 00:06:19.620 --> 00:06:23.759 very interesting club that kicks it off with 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.319 burning an effigy of a giant owl. And I don't 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.750 know if you've ever seen. videos on YouTube or 00:06:28.750 --> 00:06:30.850 what have you. This thing must stand 20 plus 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:33.509 feet tall. It's a massive effigy that they burned 00:06:33.509 --> 00:06:36.110 during those two weeks. And we've seen some powerful 00:06:36.110 --> 00:06:38.290 things and powerful figures that have come out 00:06:38.290 --> 00:06:40.329 of these camps, like the planning of the atomic 00:06:40.329 --> 00:06:42.930 bomb with many other things. And now there's 00:06:42.930 --> 00:06:45.730 a lot of conspiracy surrounding this and the 00:06:45.730 --> 00:06:47.350 history and the founding of our nation when it 00:06:47.350 --> 00:06:49.949 comes to Bohemian Grove, but a lot of wildness, 00:06:50.110 --> 00:06:52.610 man. So you and I both know of Alex Jones. I'm 00:06:52.610 --> 00:06:55.370 sure a lot of our audience does as well. I think 00:06:55.370 --> 00:06:57.379 that's kind of when Alex and became famous is 00:06:57.379 --> 00:06:59.540 when he infiltrated the Bohemian Grove and he 00:06:59.540 --> 00:07:01.800 took undercover footage of some of the rituals. 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.319 And I think that's kind of when the whole cremation 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:08.720 of care, burning of the effigy thing kind of 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:12.519 came into like the social zeitgeist. And it looks 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.980 freaky. Like you said, a 30 to 40 foot owl, a 00:07:15.980 --> 00:07:18.680 bunch of guys in black, white, and red robes 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.000 staying around it. And they're kind of chanting 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.899 stuff, which we can kind of get into some of 00:07:23.899 --> 00:07:26.509 the stuff that they chant later into the episode 00:07:26.509 --> 00:07:30.230 but you know I think the the part that makes 00:07:30.230 --> 00:07:33.410 me uncomfortable and I think 99 .9 percent of 00:07:33.410 --> 00:07:35.689 the people who see the footage is it almost appears 00:07:35.689 --> 00:07:39.490 as if they're burning a baby like an infant it's 00:07:39.490 --> 00:07:42.620 it's a creepy ceremony to We kind of witnessed 00:07:42.620 --> 00:07:44.779 secondhand. But yeah, I just kind of want to 00:07:44.779 --> 00:07:46.879 piggyback on some of the key timelines. Like 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.259 you said before, the club was founded in 1972. 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.040 The Grove, the Bohemian Grove itself was established 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:55.319 in the 1880s. So in the 1930s, playbooks for 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.120 the rituals like the Son of Balor and the Saint 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.439 Patrick of Katara feature occult themes revolving 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:05.899 around ancient forests, ruins, skulls, very occult, 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:11.629 very dark in nature. There's also been some It's 00:08:11.629 --> 00:08:14.569 not even an accusation, it's just a fact that 00:08:14.569 --> 00:08:17.660 the alleged Manhattan Project discussions Under 00:08:17.660 --> 00:08:20.079 the Redwoods happened there. And you mentioned 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.620 Oppenheimer. And this is in the Washington Post, 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:26.259 so it is documented. In 1968, Richard Nixon's 00:08:26.259 --> 00:08:28.680 presidential campaign reportedly organized there 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.139 despite roles against business, which I find 00:08:31.139 --> 00:08:33.139 ironic. You get some of the most powerful people 00:08:33.139 --> 00:08:35.779 in the world together. They forbid talking business. 00:08:35.899 --> 00:08:38.860 And I just think that's kind of a ruse. I do 00:08:38.860 --> 00:08:40.580 think they go out there and party and act like 00:08:40.580 --> 00:08:44.419 fools. And I think Richard Nixon's comments... 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:46.759 Pretty hilarious. We'll kind of go into some 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.139 of the other oddities. that they do and some 00:08:49.139 --> 00:08:51.120 of the roles that they have later. A lot of our 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.539 show is about biblical foundation and information 00:08:53.539 --> 00:08:56.179 that we talk about. And we touched on the owl. 00:08:56.299 --> 00:08:58.700 Do you know the owl is called the Owl of Moloch? 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:00.720 And from a Christianity perspective, that's a 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.460 big deal, right? Like it almost doesn't feel 00:09:02.460 --> 00:09:05.220 like hemp enchants. What they say is this is 00:09:05.220 --> 00:09:07.419 the most famous symbolic claim that the Grove's 00:09:07.419 --> 00:09:10.840 massive owl isn't just wisdom, but it's stand 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:13.539 in for the ancient sacrifice deity, often named 00:09:13.539 --> 00:09:15.899 Moloch. So the entire place becomes this altar 00:09:15.899 --> 00:09:18.889 disguised as a retreat. narrative lens, hard 00:09:18.889 --> 00:09:21.669 on visuals, a towering owl shrine, a nighttime 00:09:21.669 --> 00:09:24.850 ceremony, robe participants, a lake, chanting, 00:09:25.149 --> 00:09:27.570 and a burning climax. And these believers, they 00:09:27.570 --> 00:09:29.690 argue that modern elites wouldn't choose that 00:09:29.690 --> 00:09:32.600 kind of. symbolism by accident, especially if 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.100 the retreat was meant to be private. They frame 00:09:35.100 --> 00:09:38.700 the owl as a mask, wisdom for outsiders and worship 00:09:38.700 --> 00:09:41.679 for insiders. And the secrecy is treated as part 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:44.539 of this right itself. And the reason why it survives 00:09:44.539 --> 00:09:46.899 is pretty simple, right? Like it's, you can kind 00:09:46.899 --> 00:09:48.759 of picture it in your head right now as I'm talking 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.700 about it, these folks gathering around this mullet 00:09:51.700 --> 00:09:55.279 statue that's an owl chanting at it and robes 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:57.779 and torches in the middle of the night. If we 00:09:57.779 --> 00:10:00.240 break it down from a Christian perspective, Moloch 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.559 refers to the Cani deity associated with child 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:06.539 sacrifice, which was in the Hebrew Bible, depicted 00:10:06.539 --> 00:10:08.860 as a figure to whom people would pass their children 00:10:08.860 --> 00:10:11.600 through fire. So it's kind of crazy, right? And 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.100 there are some theories out there that child 00:10:14.100 --> 00:10:16.519 sacrifices do in fact happen at these events. 00:10:16.899 --> 00:10:19.679 I think that's even what Alex Jones was trying 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.299 to prove at that time, right? Like he was trying 00:10:21.299 --> 00:10:23.240 to investigate that before. I think he eventually 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:25.440 got arrested, right? When he trespassed, but 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:29.590 the whole thing just to found I went into a deep 00:10:29.590 --> 00:10:32.710 dive on Moloch. I didn't think Moloch was depicted 00:10:32.710 --> 00:10:36.070 as an owl back in ancient times. It's interesting 00:10:36.070 --> 00:10:39.570 the progression of how Moloch was depicted back 00:10:39.570 --> 00:10:42.919 in Babylonian Mesopotamia. through the ages and 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:46.100 how modern occult movement redefined what that 00:10:46.100 --> 00:10:49.700 was. The Bible, very consistent with this, any 00:10:49.700 --> 00:10:52.279 practice involving child sacrifice is forbidden. 00:10:52.740 --> 00:10:55.279 There's a lot of mentions of Moloch in the Bible 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:58.620 about the Hebrews taking on the other quote unquote 00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:01.820 little G gods from other tribes in the area. 00:11:02.059 --> 00:11:05.129 The penalty of if you did it was death. Places 00:11:05.129 --> 00:11:08.950 like Tapeth in the Valley of Henan near Jerusalem, 00:11:09.309 --> 00:11:11.750 some pretty significant archeological evidence 00:11:11.750 --> 00:11:14.549 has been found of this practice. To kind of touch 00:11:14.549 --> 00:11:17.450 on some Leviticus forbids giving your offspring 00:11:17.450 --> 00:11:20.570 to Moloch. It's often translated as a ban on 00:11:20.570 --> 00:11:24.409 child sacrifice or dedication. And Second Kings 00:11:24.409 --> 00:11:28.570 2310 describes King Josiah desecrating Tofet 00:11:28.570 --> 00:11:30.549 in the Valley of Heneman to stop people from 00:11:30.549 --> 00:11:33.200 making children passed through the fires of Malik. 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.240 So he was one of the kings that tried to root 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.179 out idolatry in the nation when he took over. 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:42.059 To see this evolution of this figure is interesting 00:11:42.059 --> 00:11:45.299 because it starts back in ancient Mesopotamia. 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.039 You can kind of trace it through Greece. You 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.059 can see its evolution into the modern occult. 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:55.220 So in the oldest Mesopotamian Babylonian sources, 00:11:55.419 --> 00:11:58.440 the owl isn't usually a single god symbol in 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.139 the way that it becomes later in modern occult 00:12:02.139 --> 00:12:04.279 imagery. Instead, it kind of shows up in three 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:07.340 main lanes. First, vocabulary lists, what an 00:12:07.340 --> 00:12:09.500 owl is called, and I'm not going to butcher that 00:12:09.500 --> 00:12:12.940 Mesopotamian word. It's pretty heavily represented 00:12:12.940 --> 00:12:16.220 in Oman culture, which means once it appears, 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.039 it acts in a certain way and is typically a harbinger 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.259 of doom. It is often referenced in liminal and 00:12:22.259 --> 00:12:24.860 underworld demonology. So one of the first plays 00:12:24.860 --> 00:12:28.360 we see the owl symbolism is on the Queen of the 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:32.370 Night plaque. in Babylonia between 1800 and 1700 00:12:32.370 --> 00:12:35.990 BCE. This shows a winged talon female figure 00:12:35.990 --> 00:12:38.830 standing on lines flanked by two owls. That pairing 00:12:38.830 --> 00:12:41.230 is one of the earliest iconic moments where owls 00:12:41.230 --> 00:12:44.049 sit right next to a clearly supernatural liminal 00:12:44.049 --> 00:12:46.309 figure, in my opinion, demon or fallen angel. 00:12:46.509 --> 00:12:48.590 The object description is pretty explicit about 00:12:48.590 --> 00:12:51.570 the owls and the fact that the figure is an underworld 00:12:51.570 --> 00:12:54.669 type being. referring to Omen literature, it 00:12:54.669 --> 00:12:57.309 treats owls as meaningful signals in the environment. 00:12:57.570 --> 00:13:00.809 Essentially, if it's seen perched or nested on 00:13:00.809 --> 00:13:03.850 top of a city gate or in a peephole, it's often 00:13:03.850 --> 00:13:06.789 linked to something negative. Destruction, famine, 00:13:07.289 --> 00:13:08.909 something that you don't want to have to deal 00:13:08.909 --> 00:13:11.610 with. This is often referred to the lady in the 00:13:11.610 --> 00:13:15.169 window. And this ties this female figure, often 00:13:15.169 --> 00:13:18.450 under the name of Kilili, in other texts refers 00:13:18.450 --> 00:13:20.549 to as Lilith. And we'll have to do another deep 00:13:20.549 --> 00:13:23.159 dive on Lilith, but sometimes. that is seen as 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:27.379 a female demon or possibly the other female side 00:13:27.379 --> 00:13:30.179 of Satan or Lucifer. When we see Babylon in the 00:13:30.179 --> 00:13:33.080 Bible, there's theological symbolism where the 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.519 owl was put into the imagery of desolation and 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.100 the prophecies about Babylon's fall in Isaiah 00:13:38.100 --> 00:13:41.720 13, 21. You get the runes will be inhabited by 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:44.620 eerie creatures, owls, satyrs. It's referencing 00:13:44.620 --> 00:13:47.320 an abandoned city becoming a home for night animals 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:49.779 or winged beings. In the biblical versions, owls 00:13:49.779 --> 00:13:52.000 are seen as a marker of judgment, unclean wilderness. 00:13:52.299 --> 00:13:54.360 So fast forward a bit to Greece and Rome, they 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.899 take the symbolism of the owl and flip it to 00:13:57.899 --> 00:14:00.080 wisdom and clear sight and darkness, which is 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.299 where you're going to start seeing this whole 00:14:02.299 --> 00:14:04.879 modern day cult system take it. The owl becomes 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.360 strongly associated with Athena, which is interesting 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.100 because Lilith is typically seen. as a female 00:14:10.100 --> 00:14:12.779 fallen angel demon. And then we were going to 00:14:12.779 --> 00:14:15.600 go down the line to Athena, a Greek little G 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.259 god. Again, you're seeing, and we've talked about 00:14:18.259 --> 00:14:21.120 this in several episodes in the past, these beings 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:24.179 seem to be worshipped by They're practitioners 00:14:24.179 --> 00:14:26.700 under different names, but at the end it's still 00:14:26.700 --> 00:14:29.779 the same being or entity. Again, we see Athena 00:14:29.779 --> 00:14:32.360 and it actually appears in the Athenian coinage. 00:14:32.500 --> 00:14:34.840 So this kind of pushes the symbolism toward wisdom, 00:14:35.059 --> 00:14:37.820 strategy and watchfulness. This survives for 00:14:37.820 --> 00:14:40.500 millennia in Western iconography. So this is 00:14:40.500 --> 00:14:42.899 kind of where the modern occult gets the owl 00:14:42.899 --> 00:14:45.919 secret knowledge vibe, not really from Babylon 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.039 or the Bible where it sort of has a negative 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:52.559 connotation to it. You see this female with talons. 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.559 writing on the line kind of stuck between two 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:58.620 ows, which you can see on these plaques. It kind 00:14:58.620 --> 00:15:01.539 of transforms in the modern recall where an owl 00:15:01.539 --> 00:15:03.659 equals secret knowledge. So it's interesting 00:15:03.659 --> 00:15:06.120 that they're burning an effigy to an owl, which 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.399 if you kind of trace this all back, it goes back 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:12.100 to female deity that has owl -like features that's 00:15:12.100 --> 00:15:14.799 situated between two owls. And instead of giving 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:18.120 it what it really is, a fallen angel or a demon, 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.940 it's become something wisdom or hidden knowledge. 00:15:21.870 --> 00:15:24.070 So it's interesting to see how this kind of gets 00:15:24.070 --> 00:15:26.570 all wrapped up down the line over the past two, 00:15:26.649 --> 00:15:29.330 3 ,000 years. As you said, it's really interesting 00:15:29.330 --> 00:15:31.690 to see the interconnectedness of it. A lot of 00:15:31.690 --> 00:15:33.610 people think, well, the Bible's been passed down 00:15:33.610 --> 00:15:36.049 many times, but many times you don't see this 00:15:36.049 --> 00:15:38.169 demonology being passed down from generation 00:15:38.169 --> 00:15:40.230 to generation and surviving within this world, 00:15:40.269 --> 00:15:42.210 even though Christ himself warns us about it, 00:15:42.250 --> 00:15:44.590 to cast out the demons, to protect your hearts 00:15:44.590 --> 00:15:46.830 and your minds against these demons. But to me, 00:15:47.090 --> 00:15:49.899 you're seeing this. pass down time over time 00:15:49.899 --> 00:15:53.690 over time again. Now when they Get around this 00:15:53.690 --> 00:15:56.309 statue. It's quite interesting. I've seen grainy 00:15:56.309 --> 00:15:59.190 video of it before where they all have torches. 00:15:59.269 --> 00:16:01.309 They're sitting in stadium type seating. They're 00:16:01.309 --> 00:16:02.850 doing some type of chant, but you can't really 00:16:02.850 --> 00:16:05.389 understand what it is. The ceremony for them 00:16:05.389 --> 00:16:07.870 is called the cremation of care when they're 00:16:07.870 --> 00:16:10.470 burning this out. Now the theory goes, there's 00:16:10.470 --> 00:16:13.850 no hard evidence to prove it is that there's 00:16:13.850 --> 00:16:16.049 a child inside of this effigy when they burn 00:16:16.049 --> 00:16:18.149 it. So they're doing a child sacrifice when the 00:16:18.149 --> 00:16:20.850 statue is set on fire and ultimately they're 00:16:20.850 --> 00:16:24.169 demise, right? of it. And it's a way of worship, 00:16:24.330 --> 00:16:26.330 much like the Canaanites did back in the day 00:16:26.330 --> 00:16:29.870 in biblical times, which is pretty creepy, to 00:16:29.870 --> 00:16:32.870 say the very least. And to say the most is very, 00:16:32.870 --> 00:16:36.730 very sad for whatever child could or maybe sacrificed 00:16:36.730 --> 00:16:39.799 during this event. But there's a lot of, there's 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.700 a lot of history around there. Say what you will 00:16:42.700 --> 00:16:45.500 about like the atomic bomb, right? But a lot 00:16:45.500 --> 00:16:47.480 of the atomic bomb planning and ultimately going 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:50.100 into production and almost being dropped immediately 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:53.779 upon Japan after that time came out of the Bohemian 00:16:53.779 --> 00:16:56.200 Grove. And that took countless lives in Japan, 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:58.039 rightfully or not. And depending on, I guess 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:01.159 what aisle you sat on, it led to a lot of death. 00:17:01.179 --> 00:17:03.879 And now there's also a lot of interesting ex 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:06.380 presidents that have been a member of this as 00:17:06.380 --> 00:17:09.809 well. You start to wonder like who's in the background, 00:17:10.029 --> 00:17:12.490 pulling the strings, plotting the history. Obviously 00:17:12.490 --> 00:17:15.089 there's been a lot of talk lately about the Epstein 00:17:15.089 --> 00:17:18.130 files who have been released and countless documents 00:17:18.130 --> 00:17:20.789 indicating very important and powerful people. 00:17:21.369 --> 00:17:24.309 And many of those involved in very demonic like 00:17:24.309 --> 00:17:27.450 activity, right? Which is concerning. But I almost 00:17:27.450 --> 00:17:31.589 think it points to. Bohemian Grove as well. Regardless 00:17:31.589 --> 00:17:33.869 if there's a child inside that statue or not, 00:17:34.029 --> 00:17:35.869 I don't know. There's no actual real evidence 00:17:35.869 --> 00:17:38.769 out there. It's a strong conspiracy theory. Alex 00:17:38.769 --> 00:17:40.730 Jones believed it very much himself and that's 00:17:40.730 --> 00:17:42.730 what he was trying to prove when he broke into 00:17:42.730 --> 00:17:46.589 that facility. At minimum, that's some type of 00:17:46.589 --> 00:17:49.750 worship, right? Like I remember going to church 00:17:49.750 --> 00:17:51.309 back in the day and they were trying to give 00:17:51.309 --> 00:17:53.990 you an example of what worship should look like. 00:17:54.210 --> 00:17:56.150 And then what worship should look like is when 00:17:56.150 --> 00:17:58.230 you go to a concert and everybody's cheering 00:17:58.230 --> 00:18:01.190 at the artist that's on stage and, and crying 00:18:01.190 --> 00:18:04.049 and weeping at them. And people say that's obviously 00:18:04.049 --> 00:18:05.650 the church is not supporting that. They're just 00:18:05.650 --> 00:18:07.809 showing what a picture of what true worship looks 00:18:07.809 --> 00:18:10.589 like. And the kind of true, right? If I saw Jesus, 00:18:10.650 --> 00:18:12.589 I would be weeping and I would be cheering, right? 00:18:12.589 --> 00:18:15.109 Like we'd be very excited. it for Jesus a second 00:18:15.109 --> 00:18:17.789 coming and that's what you see here or else what 00:18:17.789 --> 00:18:20.680 the hell is it because I can't imagine sitting 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:22.960 with my brother and a few of my friends and just, 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:24.720 I know I'm going to set a statue on fire and 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:27.980 then we'll go about our two weeks men only exclusive 00:18:27.980 --> 00:18:30.079 vacation in the woods. I don't know. Have you 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:33.140 heard some of the other roles around this event? 00:18:33.420 --> 00:18:36.839 Like women are completely excluded. And one of 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:39.119 the things that I think it was Eisenhower in 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:41.200 history says one of the faggiest things he's 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:46.200 ever been to Nixon. Yeah. And I think it's because 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:47.940 there's only men that are allowed there. Women 00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:50.230 are prevented. I think there was one honorary 00:18:50.230 --> 00:18:53.049 woman ever that's belonged to this club. But 00:18:53.049 --> 00:18:55.589 even to this day, it's pretty much exclusively 00:18:55.589 --> 00:18:58.690 a man's place, I guess, in there. So go back 00:18:58.690 --> 00:19:01.410 to your last point. So it's an idol, right? It's 00:19:01.410 --> 00:19:04.910 an engraven image of an owl. And they're mock 00:19:04.910 --> 00:19:08.269 sacrifice or not. You're still going through 00:19:08.269 --> 00:19:12.069 the motions of giving something to this carbon 00:19:12.069 --> 00:19:15.089 image. So, I mean, it's essentially idol worship, 00:19:15.450 --> 00:19:17.369 right? The more and more we do this podcast, 00:19:17.470 --> 00:19:19.829 the more and more we see that society is heavily 00:19:19.829 --> 00:19:24.339 influenced. by modern occult from music, from 00:19:24.339 --> 00:19:27.000 our TV shows. You can see the symbology everywhere. 00:19:27.220 --> 00:19:29.539 I think the Super Bowl halftime show is a big 00:19:29.539 --> 00:19:32.400 one where there's a lot of occult imagery being 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.519 presented. You see a lot of celebrities do this 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.819 whole triangle thing over their eyes, suggesting 00:19:36.819 --> 00:19:39.019 that they're in the Illuminati. That's an episode 00:19:39.019 --> 00:19:42.440 of itself. But I do think that these kind of 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:44.440 getaways, you know, it's funny because you look 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:46.579 at Epstein Island, Little St. James Island, I 00:19:46.579 --> 00:19:49.160 mean, that's a, that's a. kind of a private fraternity, 00:19:49.339 --> 00:19:51.500 right? I mean, it was, in my opinion, I think 00:19:51.500 --> 00:19:55.160 it was part money laundering, part honey potting, 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.420 part blackmail. You invite these rich people, 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:01.079 they can get together, make business deals. A 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:03.220 lot of it revolved around these underage girls 00:20:03.220 --> 00:20:05.779 and women, but a lot of it actually had to do 00:20:05.779 --> 00:20:09.480 with transferring funds back and forth between 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:13.099 the mega wealthy major corporations and siphoning 00:20:13.099 --> 00:20:16.259 it off. And I think that's how... Epstein got 00:20:16.259 --> 00:20:18.359 a lot of his money. But again, we're going back 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:21.559 to secret society where you're seeing these occult 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.960 rituals. There they have the owl at Epstein Island. 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:26.859 They had all kinds of occult stuff. You know, 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.299 you've seen the big cubed building where they 00:20:29.299 --> 00:20:30.880 did all these horrible things to these women. 00:20:31.180 --> 00:20:33.839 There's rumors of... murder there, just like 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:36.779 there's been rumors of murders and prostitution 00:20:36.779 --> 00:20:39.599 and pedophilia up here at the Bohemian Grove. 00:20:39.819 --> 00:20:41.640 I mean, how true it is, I don't think we'll ever 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:44.519 know if it is or isn't, but there have been people 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:47.599 come out to say that it did in fact happen. But 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:49.660 yeah, man, they have some really weird stuff. 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:52.039 So like you said, they exclude women, right? 00:20:52.299 --> 00:20:54.720 So it's not to say you can't bring women in. 00:20:54.859 --> 00:20:58.519 It's just once night falls, women can't participate. 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.400 in anything at night. So the majority of the 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:04.880 people at night are strictly men. They can bring 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:06.740 their families, but I assume there's a separate 00:21:06.740 --> 00:21:10.559 area for women and children. They don't participate, 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:12.700 right? And I'm assuming if you're doing some 00:21:12.700 --> 00:21:14.240 weird crap, you're not bringing your wife and 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:16.599 kids, so... Yeah, what's kind of interesting, 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:19.700 right, is one of their slogans is, weaving spiders 00:21:19.700 --> 00:21:22.740 come not here. Officially, it's a Shakespeare 00:21:22.740 --> 00:21:27.140 line used as a club motto, right? And many conspiracists, 00:21:27.140 --> 00:21:29.039 they kind of flip it. It's kind of like what 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:31.119 they call a wording phrase, an instruction to 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:34.980 keep outside spiders away or this magical injunction 00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:38.339 to suspend ordinary roles. And that motto's very 00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:40.460 existent. becomes kind of suspicious. It's like 00:21:40.460 --> 00:21:42.579 a sign above a casino reading, no gambling here, 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.519 right? Believers often treat this as a linguistic 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.339 tell, kind of like a wink that acknowledges scheming, 00:21:48.339 --> 00:21:50.619 even while denying it. They're talking about 00:21:50.619 --> 00:21:53.259 these hidden things that are going on behind 00:21:53.259 --> 00:21:56.299 the scenes. I've seen a few YouTubers that have 00:21:56.299 --> 00:21:58.619 gone to this, where this town is located, where 00:21:58.619 --> 00:22:01.339 the Bohemian Grove is very close to it. And they 00:22:01.339 --> 00:22:04.160 try to interview people within this town to find 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.859 out what's going on. And nobody will speak to 00:22:06.859 --> 00:22:08.720 it. They're all terrified to even mention that 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:10.680 it hardly exists. And if they had mentioned that 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:13.660 it exists, then that's it. They're afraid to 00:22:13.660 --> 00:22:16.400 say anything else at all. And that kind of like 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:19.200 hushed tones that you see in real life through 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.099 the work that these YouTubers are doing is pretty 00:22:22.099 --> 00:22:25.539 interesting. It's a very interesting tell. Well, 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:28.599 because why would people be terrified to talk 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:31.440 about the existence of some more unusual people 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:34.119 coming into the town? And it makes me think of 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:35.779 that phrase, even though it's been stolen from 00:22:35.779 --> 00:22:38.599 Shakespeare, but the weaving spiders, right? 00:22:38.779 --> 00:22:41.279 Is it ingested itself into that community? And 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.819 is there threats or something that is keeping 00:22:43.819 --> 00:22:46.079 them hot? Like we said, there's been presidential 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:48.819 involvement. Ronald Reagan, he was listed on 00:22:48.819 --> 00:22:51.140 the Al's Nest camp. So just to kind of put this 00:22:51.140 --> 00:22:53.200 in perspective, there's a bunch of different 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:56.579 camps around this 2700 acre property. One's called 00:22:56.579 --> 00:22:58.940 Al's Nest, which apparently Reagan was a part 00:22:58.940 --> 00:23:01.380 of. There's one called the Hillbillies camp. 00:23:01.579 --> 00:23:04.240 That was according to documents, the Bush family 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:06.740 camp. You know, you talked about Richard Nixon 00:23:06.740 --> 00:23:10.700 and his famous quote. Bill Clinton attended. 00:23:11.210 --> 00:23:14.369 And he kind of publicly, this is kind of ironic, 00:23:14.529 --> 00:23:17.210 but he joked publicly that the Bohemian club 00:23:17.210 --> 00:23:19.450 is where all those rich Republicans go up and 00:23:19.450 --> 00:23:21.829 stand naked against the Redwoods. Which is funny 00:23:21.829 --> 00:23:23.930 because he's mentioned in Epstein files now. 00:23:24.230 --> 00:23:26.450 At one point they got sued because they weren't 00:23:26.450 --> 00:23:29.210 quote unquote inclusive of women. In one of the 00:23:29.210 --> 00:23:31.730 documents, I guess in one of the filings, one 00:23:31.730 --> 00:23:35.410 of the responses, they said that men openly urinate 00:23:35.410 --> 00:23:38.069 in public all over the place. I get the impression, 00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:40.309 reading between the lines between Clinton's joke 00:23:40.309 --> 00:23:42.730 and And I think when someone says men urinate 00:23:42.730 --> 00:23:45.650 openly in public, you kind of draw the inference 00:23:45.650 --> 00:23:48.210 that these guys are walking around nude, which 00:23:48.210 --> 00:23:53.369 kind of sounds a little bit gay to me. So it's 00:23:53.369 --> 00:23:57.450 a bit bizarre. Other people, Supreme Court Justice 00:23:57.450 --> 00:23:59.950 Clarence Thomas was photographed in the Grove 00:23:59.950 --> 00:24:05.230 in 1997, 2003, and 2005, despite denying it. 00:24:07.019 --> 00:24:09.759 when they were photographed. Yeah, I hope so 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:12.559 too. Maybe had like a fig leaf or something or 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:17.839 covered it up. It's kind of weird. So some people 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:20.680 talk about this, right? That there's. Because 00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:22.660 of the absence of women, I'm not really sure 00:24:22.660 --> 00:24:24.480 where they get some of these theories, but there's 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:27.339 a lot of homosexual activity that occurs at this. 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:31.039 Some people even talk about pedophilia, and some 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:33.880 people just talk about boatloads of prostitution 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:36.960 that occur within these woods. One of the theories 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:39.339 is, which is interesting to think about, is it 00:24:39.339 --> 00:24:42.799 almost like a honey pot, meaning that these wealthy 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:45.339 men come down here and they're able to sleep 00:24:45.339 --> 00:24:48.200 with other women, and then they do it and they're 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:50.759 photographed or videoed. And now they're used 00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:53.160 as ransom, right? You do our bidding or else 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.619 we're going to release these tapes on you. Or 00:24:55.619 --> 00:24:57.559 you end up on the Epstein list or whatever the 00:24:57.559 --> 00:24:59.900 case may be, right? But some people think it's 00:24:59.900 --> 00:25:01.940 almost like a honeypot to trick wealthy people 00:25:01.940 --> 00:25:04.539 to come in and put them in compromising situations, 00:25:04.819 --> 00:25:08.279 photograph them, and then essentially have power 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:10.900 over them and their roles in the government and 00:25:10.900 --> 00:25:14.640 their roles in Hollywood or wherever to exert 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:16.660 that control. And some people must say, is the 00:25:16.660 --> 00:25:19.180 true government run out of Bohemian Grove? because 00:25:19.180 --> 00:25:21.359 so many powerful people have come there and they're 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:23.720 able to almost take control over them. Yeah, 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:25.460 I mean, it just seems like the more and more 00:25:25.460 --> 00:25:29.099 we learn, not just you and I, but everyone in 00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:32.180 America, it seems like the whole blackmail thing 00:25:32.180 --> 00:25:36.000 is a very real issue. I mean, I think that's 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.640 what a huge part of the Epstein thing was, blackmail, 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.380 right? You have sex with underage girls, we have 00:25:41.380 --> 00:25:44.039 the videos, and now we use this as leverage if 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.660 you don't do what we want to do, pass laws, vote 00:25:46.660 --> 00:25:49.099 the way we want you to vote. Well, this is going 00:25:49.099 --> 00:25:51.099 to come out. It almost seems like this one's 00:25:51.099 --> 00:25:54.019 kind of in that same category. You know, I've 00:25:54.019 --> 00:25:56.039 heard stories of the Chinese donut too. A lot 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:58.880 of Americans, especially maybe some of the newer 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:03.259 and wiser CEOs, politicians, what have you. They 00:26:03.259 --> 00:26:05.299 won't go to China anymore because even if you 00:26:05.299 --> 00:26:08.539 go to China and they offer you a girl, they'll 00:26:08.539 --> 00:26:10.640 eventually try to find a way to drug you, put 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.500 you in a room with a girl. Maybe she's dead, 00:26:12.500 --> 00:26:15.079 maybe she's not, but then imply that you either 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.220 murdered this person or you had sex with her 00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:19.119 and we had the video. So now you're kind of, 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:22.440 even if you didn't do anything wrong, it's still 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.259 evidence that you did something. And how are 00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:27.180 you going to prove your way out of that? Right? 00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:30.460 So these, these blackmail operations are seemingly 00:26:30.460 --> 00:26:33.900 everywhere and it's a, it's a pretty, it's a 00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:38.259 pretty, pretty crazy thing. But you know, so 00:26:38.259 --> 00:26:40.099 I kind of want to get to some of the, we were 00:26:40.099 --> 00:26:43.289 talking about. sex trafficking. So there have 00:26:43.289 --> 00:26:46.450 been claims of prostitution networks. A lot of 00:26:46.450 --> 00:26:49.329 local and former employees claim male and female 00:26:49.329 --> 00:26:52.289 prostitutes are piped in through tunnels underneath 00:26:52.289 --> 00:26:54.390 the grove. And there's hidden cameras all over 00:26:54.390 --> 00:26:57.809 the forest, tons of drugs, even claims of kilos 00:26:57.809 --> 00:27:01.569 of cocaine to kind of help facilitate these orgies. 00:27:01.769 --> 00:27:05.069 A quote from a hidden camera interview. They 00:27:05.069 --> 00:27:08.250 bring in kilos of coke, prostitutes being piped 00:27:08.250 --> 00:27:12.599 in and out. orgies with the members. So I can't, 00:27:12.619 --> 00:27:14.799 I couldn't find the source of that quotes just 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:19.920 in fairness and full transparency, but that has 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.819 been at least put into the narrative. There's 00:27:22.819 --> 00:27:25.440 also child trafficking allegations, claims that 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.099 children are smuggled for abuse and rituals. 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.660 Hopefully not the cremation of care ritual. That'd 00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:34.259 be terrible. Just a lot of crazy stuff. You know, 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.539 I think the craziest one. And, you know, I often 00:27:37.539 --> 00:27:40.599 wonder about this guy because, again, I don't 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:42.700 know. You ever hear of the boxer Ryan Garcia? 00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:44.440 I've heard of him, but I don't know how he relates 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:45.900 to this. Yeah, so he's kind of all over social 00:27:45.900 --> 00:27:48.920 media. He's a, I think, I don't know what weight 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.059 class, but he's on the smaller side of boxing. 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:54.619 But he's been all over TikTok, Instagram. He's 00:27:54.619 --> 00:27:57.160 stolen all kinds of crazy stuff. He almost seems, 00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.299 it seems like he's not really on his rocker. 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.200 I'm trying to be objective here. But he claims 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.759 he was kidnapped, brought to the... Bohemian 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.359 Grove held down and forced to watch kids get 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:09.640 by the members. My radar is kind of going off 00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.759 on that a bit. I don't know if that's true. I 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:15.240 hope it's not or looking for attention or just 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:17.539 trying to be grandiose or hyperbolic to kind 00:28:17.539 --> 00:28:20.720 of get some attention. But he seems to be pretty 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.359 convinced that he saw that. But, you know, I 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:25.680 think a lot of this stuff too, we can kind of... 00:28:25.529 --> 00:28:28.569 tie back to like the MK Ultra thing where your 00:28:28.569 --> 00:28:30.710 personality kind of splits and you don't know 00:28:30.710 --> 00:28:33.250 up from down to certain points. But there's been 00:28:33.250 --> 00:28:36.910 a lot of sex trafficking allegations from prostitution 00:28:36.910 --> 00:28:40.170 networks, child trafficking, and the one that 00:28:40.170 --> 00:28:43.670 I think is 100 % true is the blackmail element. 00:28:44.289 --> 00:28:48.190 Because it is pretty well known that hidden cameras 00:28:48.190 --> 00:28:51.170 all over the place recording these guys. Very 00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:53.309 similar to Epstein. It's interesting because 00:28:53.309 --> 00:28:56.390 a lot of people say that's kind of like the Grove 00:28:56.390 --> 00:29:00.329 is a psyopsic almost planning table where psychological 00:29:00.329 --> 00:29:03.269 operations are developed and then acted upon. 00:29:03.450 --> 00:29:05.589 Whether it be like media framing, public fear 00:29:05.589 --> 00:29:07.930 cycles, cultural war scripts, or just kind of 00:29:07.930 --> 00:29:11.130 the combined influence of politics and intelligent 00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:13.329 adjacent figures. What's kind of the interesting 00:29:13.329 --> 00:29:15.849 thing is we've done a lot of research on this. 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.880 It's hard to find hard facts, right? Like they've 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.059 covered their trail really, really good. So there's 00:29:22.059 --> 00:29:24.400 a lot of interesting concepts to talk through 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.819 it. I was digging through stuff and it's sometimes 00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:29.359 it's easy to find the members names, like after 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:33.019 they've no longer in office, but I'm not finding 00:29:33.019 --> 00:29:35.519 a whole lot to the cover trail or what they're 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.200 deleting offline or keeping their lips sealed. 00:29:38.500 --> 00:29:41.759 It's, it's, it's tough, man. It is tough. There's 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:44.859 been witness testimony, witness. I use that. 00:29:44.859 --> 00:29:47.829 It's not like they're. in a court, people claiming 00:29:47.829 --> 00:29:52.009 to have seen child sacrifices, particularly the 00:29:52.009 --> 00:29:54.710 effigy of the child for the cremation of care, 00:29:55.009 --> 00:29:58.430 aka Moloch. The claim is that it's not an effigy, 00:29:58.670 --> 00:30:01.069 it's a child, like a living, breathing child. 00:30:01.369 --> 00:30:04.390 They claim that 25 kids have been killed and 00:30:04.390 --> 00:30:07.650 buried in the forest. There's a witness account. 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.099 The woman's name is Pamela Score. And in a 2009 00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:14.200 letter, she alleged she was forced into child 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:17.220 sacrifices, forced to participate in satanic 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:19.640 rituals and forced to sacrifice other children. 00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:23.720 She said she saw black magic boots and many other 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.059 possible sacrifice setups. I think it's, the 00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:30.359 claim is that there's significant security. There's 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.549 year round guards. One claim is that if you intrude, 00:30:33.650 --> 00:30:35.769 you'll be shot on sites. Apparently the secret 00:30:35.769 --> 00:30:39.930 services there, FBI, SWAT, and a lot of videos 00:30:39.930 --> 00:30:42.289 that have been uploaded to YouTube have been 00:30:42.289 --> 00:30:46.130 taken down by the club's request. But again, 00:30:46.210 --> 00:30:49.369 like you said, no confirmed murders, but I think 00:30:49.369 --> 00:30:53.390 there's been... some, some missing people tied 00:30:53.390 --> 00:30:56.210 to the club because local police dogs tracked 00:30:56.210 --> 00:30:58.049 their scent into the club and never found them. 00:30:58.410 --> 00:31:00.950 Yeah. I've never really seen it, but money breeds 00:31:00.950 --> 00:31:03.829 power. So, and it buys opportunity. And obviously 00:31:03.829 --> 00:31:06.869 everybody that goes to this facility are ultra 00:31:06.869 --> 00:31:09.309 wealthy. They're mega wealthy. They're multimillionaires, 00:31:09.470 --> 00:31:13.559 if not billionaires. by opportunity to prevent 00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.259 things from occurring. I've seen it on just on 00:31:17.259 --> 00:31:20.160 TV with the church of Scientology, which I strongly 00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.599 believe is another cult like place that occurs 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.460 and people fall into it. And even on that cult, 00:31:25.700 --> 00:31:29.720 I saw LAPD members singing on stage at the search 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.180 of Scientology as they're providing protection 00:31:32.180 --> 00:31:34.819 for it. That's clearly ingrained into their culture 00:31:34.819 --> 00:31:37.059 and they're not going to go against that fake 00:31:37.059 --> 00:31:40.119 church or that cult. So this is kind of very 00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.609 similar. have very powerful people that can buy 00:31:42.609 --> 00:31:44.829 the influence to prevent things from being uncovered. 00:31:45.430 --> 00:31:47.470 When I think about child sex trafficking rings 00:31:47.470 --> 00:31:49.950 or missing kids, it can't be from that area. 00:31:50.109 --> 00:31:52.069 It must be coming from a global influence or 00:31:52.069 --> 00:31:54.509 some type of global supply chain that they have, 00:31:54.529 --> 00:31:57.150 or you would have posters everywhere. And eventually 00:31:57.150 --> 00:31:59.130 there'd be so much pressure mounting on this 00:31:59.130 --> 00:32:01.529 club where these sacrifices are occurring that 00:32:01.529 --> 00:32:04.730 it would be uncovered. Yeah. I mean, it's a, 00:32:04.730 --> 00:32:07.069 it's a very confusing story. I mean, people have 00:32:07.069 --> 00:32:09.640 been. blown the whistle on Epstein for, what, 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:11.960 decades? I mean, through my research, I can't 00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:13.680 find anyone blowing the whistle on the Bohemian 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:18.619 Grove. Which makes me think that, we'll recap 00:32:18.619 --> 00:32:22.680 what we think it is later, but you just don't 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.380 hear about it. I mean, Epstein had presidents, 00:32:25.900 --> 00:32:30.440 he had world leaders, princes, multi -billionaires. 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:32.740 I mean, you name it, the lists keep coming out. 00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:34.740 Yeah, there's been claims of murder, but nothing 00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:37.519 substantiated. I'm sure if you dug around the 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:39.420 property, you probably figured that out pretty 00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:41.220 quick. I mean, I know they have LIDAR now. You 00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:42.799 can scan the ground. I mean, the island's not 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:48.059 enormous. I just don't see, I mean, people may 00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:50.160 disagree with me, but you just don't see a lot 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.180 of whistleblowers other than locals. And then 00:32:52.180 --> 00:32:53.900 like, you know, I always get into this thing 00:32:53.900 --> 00:32:57.940 where sometimes people want to be part of a narrative. 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.130 They kind of want to interject themselves. I 00:33:00.130 --> 00:33:02.150 mean, you've played the game of telephone, bro. 00:33:02.349 --> 00:33:04.029 Like, you know, I whisper something in your ear, 00:33:04.289 --> 00:33:06.470 and you whisper it down the line, 10 people down. 00:33:06.869 --> 00:33:09.130 You know, it might be something like, I had a 00:33:09.130 --> 00:33:12.369 Coke, and next thing you know, I stole 15 kilos 00:33:12.369 --> 00:33:14.630 of cocaine and sold it. You know, it doesn't 00:33:14.630 --> 00:33:17.130 even make any sense. So, I mean, I think a lot 00:33:17.130 --> 00:33:19.529 of this is people trying to get in the spotlight. 00:33:19.809 --> 00:33:22.190 I think a lot of it is people probably trying 00:33:22.190 --> 00:33:24.849 to get money and get paid. But like you said, 00:33:24.890 --> 00:33:27.630 I don't see a lot of... I mean, if that... Yeah, 00:33:27.670 --> 00:33:29.849 there's weird rituals that go on. There's a lot 00:33:29.849 --> 00:33:32.630 of weird rituals just in general all over the 00:33:32.630 --> 00:33:35.490 world. Child sacrifice? I mean, maybe it happened. 00:33:35.630 --> 00:33:38.650 I mean, the club's been around for 150 years. 00:33:38.650 --> 00:33:41.650 Maybe back in the early 1900s when you didn't 00:33:41.650 --> 00:33:44.710 have communication speed of light, you didn't 00:33:44.710 --> 00:33:46.670 have the internet, you didn't have cameras, you 00:33:46.670 --> 00:33:49.369 didn't have video. But I feel like as you move 00:33:49.369 --> 00:33:51.769 more toward our timeframe, that kind of stuff 00:33:51.769 --> 00:33:53.890 is harder and harder and harder to get away with 00:33:53.890 --> 00:33:56.619 if it does happen. Yeah, it's interesting because 00:33:56.619 --> 00:34:00.119 it is a huge operation. One of the only legal 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.900 cases I could ever find against Bohemian Grow 00:34:02.900 --> 00:34:05.900 was in June of 2023, a group of former workers 00:34:05.900 --> 00:34:09.320 sued them, alleging wage theft and unfair labor 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:11.739 practices. That was their own equate. They weren't 00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:13.760 blowing the whistle. They were just saying that, 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.820 you know, this group's not paying us and they're 00:34:16.820 --> 00:34:19.440 doing wrong by us essentially. It's a common 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.139 kind of employer issue. Then the other one was 00:34:22.139 --> 00:34:24.539 what you touched on was the California part. 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.320 of Fair Employment and Housing when a woman wanted 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.320 to be a member of that group and they wouldn't 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.119 let her because she was a female and not a male. 00:34:32.380 --> 00:34:35.179 Now there are all male societies out there and 00:34:35.179 --> 00:34:38.360 they're not all necessarily bad. I'm a man, but 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:40.380 there may be all women's societies out there 00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:43.579 as well, and they may not be all as bad. My red 00:34:43.579 --> 00:34:46.320 flags go up when we start mentioning Moloch and 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.800 now, and that gets kind of weird for me, right? 00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:52.500 But to find hard facts on this particular one 00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:55.460 is very difficult. Now I watched a YouTube show 00:34:55.460 --> 00:34:58.960 from Tyler Olivera that he broke into Bohemian 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.880 Grove. And as they show it, as many other folks 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:03.659 have shown in the past, it's really kind of out 00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:05.059 in the middle of nowhere and they infiltrate 00:35:05.059 --> 00:35:06.880 this camp. by hiking through the woods, they 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:08.960 get to the top of it and it takes about an hour. 00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:12.320 They do it at midnight, but they get, I mean, 00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:14.000 they're going there when nobody's there, obviously, 00:35:14.139 --> 00:35:16.880 just security and whoever probably runs the operation. 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.239 But you know, they go there, they get on property 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.559 pretty easily. In his case, the front gate was 00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:23.360 left open. They just essentially walked right 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.000 in and they made it to the effigy. So you could 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:29.280 see actually a video of him at the stadium seating 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.599 in front of this effigy. He eventually, the guards 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.000 catch him and he takes off running and the guy 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.099 points a gun at him and the YouTuber's like, 00:35:37.099 --> 00:35:38.900 please don't kill me. And the guy's just like, 00:35:39.019 --> 00:35:42.840 get out of here. So like, you know, kind of crazy 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:44.739 to watch it on video, but ultimately nothing 00:35:44.739 --> 00:35:47.400 serious happened. And they talk about very sophisticated 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.280 security, but if that can get on the grounds, 00:35:49.340 --> 00:35:51.280 then I've seen other YouTubers that are even 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.400 bigger idiots get on the grounds. It's hard to 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:55.619 say actually how tight that security is when 00:35:55.619 --> 00:35:57.639 there's nobody there. Now I'm sure when there's 00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.489 very famous people there, there's security. up 00:36:00.489 --> 00:36:02.309 to wazoo and you're never gonna actually make 00:36:02.309 --> 00:36:05.170 it on there. But yeah, I think that's my thing. 00:36:05.329 --> 00:36:08.110 I think. When we talk about psyopsics, do I think 00:36:08.110 --> 00:36:10.510 bad things are happening there? Absolutely. I 00:36:10.510 --> 00:36:13.130 just think that honeypot's too good, man. I think 00:36:13.130 --> 00:36:15.570 whatever people are participating in there, they 00:36:15.570 --> 00:36:17.309 don't want to indicate themselves and they're 00:36:17.309 --> 00:36:18.889 going to have to indicate themselves in order 00:36:18.889 --> 00:36:21.630 to get it out in public's view. Whether it's 00:36:21.630 --> 00:36:24.210 weird stuff or they're a straight male with a 00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:25.929 family and his homosexual activity, whatever 00:36:25.929 --> 00:36:27.889 the case may be, they don't, they're not going 00:36:27.889 --> 00:36:29.190 to bring it up because they don't want their 00:36:29.190 --> 00:36:31.650 video exposed to the public. And cause that'd 00:36:31.650 --> 00:36:33.050 probably be the first thing. Well, it's only 00:36:33.050 --> 00:36:34.929 this guy and he's the weirdo. Here's his video. 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:39.039 I agree with you. The interesting thing is that 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.780 you have to quote unquote apply for membership 00:36:41.780 --> 00:36:43.679 for the Bohemian Grove and they actually have 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.739 a website and like you can submit your application. 00:36:47.420 --> 00:36:49.820 Apparently the wait list to get into the club 00:36:49.820 --> 00:36:54.099 is 33 years long. And you have to be referenced 00:36:54.099 --> 00:36:56.159 by somebody, a club member. I guess club member 00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.820 has to vouch for you. And I guess there's other 00:36:58.820 --> 00:37:00.619 stages to go through, quote unquote, interviews 00:37:00.619 --> 00:37:02.780 to see if people want you in there or not. But 00:37:02.780 --> 00:37:06.239 33 years, right? And, you know, when this two 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.619 to three week festival happens, I think there's 00:37:08.619 --> 00:37:10.179 anywhere between, depending on the year, anywhere 00:37:10.179 --> 00:37:13.639 between 827 people show up for that two to three 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:17.699 week period. And the fee, the initiation fee, 00:37:17.780 --> 00:37:20.400 or at least the application fee to get in is 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.510 $25 ,000. You know, for a lot of billionaires, 00:37:23.650 --> 00:37:25.309 it's like you or me throwing like a dollar or 00:37:25.309 --> 00:37:28.090 two on the table to get in, right? And I think 00:37:28.090 --> 00:37:30.150 there's yearly dues. What those are, I don't 00:37:30.150 --> 00:37:33.130 know. But it seems like a pretty low barrier 00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:36.190 of entry, at least financially. But it's a fairly 00:37:36.190 --> 00:37:39.170 high barrier in terms of the 33 -year wait. You 00:37:39.170 --> 00:37:41.050 have to have somebody vouch for you. And I'm 00:37:41.050 --> 00:37:43.329 sure not everybody that goes there is a member. 00:37:43.530 --> 00:37:45.489 I'm sure people are invited, maybe not for the 00:37:45.489 --> 00:37:47.070 whole two, three weeks, but maybe they come in. 00:37:47.110 --> 00:37:48.769 Because I know they have a lot of country music 00:37:48.769 --> 00:37:51.409 performances. They bring in a lot of bands, artists. 00:37:51.570 --> 00:37:53.949 The funny thing about it is that there's apparently 00:37:53.949 --> 00:37:55.989 a lot of cross -dressing that goes on in there. 00:37:56.969 --> 00:38:00.449 And the claim is the cross -dressing is because... 00:38:00.250 --> 00:38:02.769 when they're doing these theatrical plays, you 00:38:02.769 --> 00:38:04.590 know, obviously at night, no women are allowed. 00:38:04.969 --> 00:38:08.250 So dudes have to dress up to play the part. But, 00:38:08.610 --> 00:38:11.070 you know, when you look at it on the surface, 00:38:11.329 --> 00:38:13.710 they have a pretty strong moral code. You have 00:38:13.710 --> 00:38:15.409 to be a gentleman. You can't complain at the 00:38:15.409 --> 00:38:17.210 staff. If you have a problem with a staff member, 00:38:17.449 --> 00:38:19.889 you have to address it with management, not with 00:38:19.889 --> 00:38:22.010 the person itself. They're really big on the 00:38:22.010 --> 00:38:26.030 whole honor, secrecy, being polite, kind of gentlemanly 00:38:26.030 --> 00:38:28.340 aspect of it. What's interesting is they have 00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:30.260 tiers to their memberships, right? So you can 00:38:30.260 --> 00:38:32.539 become a member. And I guess you said it takes 00:38:32.539 --> 00:38:36.000 33 or 34 years to become that member in order 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.320 to get into this. And they say those people can 00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.800 bring gas to what they call spring jinx in June 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.630 or the main July encampment. But then it takes 00:38:46.630 --> 00:38:49.289 40 years to gain true membership into the club. 00:38:49.650 --> 00:38:51.690 Now, like you're talking about just 70 plus year 00:38:51.690 --> 00:38:53.670 old men at that point, depending on when they 00:38:53.670 --> 00:38:57.070 applied. And they called them the old guard status. 00:38:57.349 --> 00:38:59.789 And they're the ones that have reserved seating 00:38:59.789 --> 00:39:02.190 at the Grove's daily talks. And they have what 00:39:02.190 --> 00:39:05.010 they call other privileges within that organization. 00:39:05.170 --> 00:39:07.210 So they have tiers and I guess you have to work 00:39:07.210 --> 00:39:10.969 your way up from a guest, a member to... old 00:39:10.969 --> 00:39:14.869 guard before you can make any valuable decisions 00:39:14.869 --> 00:39:17.130 within that, that matrix that they've set up. 00:39:17.369 --> 00:39:20.070 But it's weird how there's got to be an exceptions 00:39:20.070 --> 00:39:23.030 process that, that 30 plus years that you wait 00:39:23.030 --> 00:39:25.329 to become a member is probably way different 00:39:25.329 --> 00:39:26.869 for somebody. I'm just throwing a name out there 00:39:26.869 --> 00:39:28.849 like Elon Musk that has one of the richest men 00:39:28.849 --> 00:39:32.409 in the world versus like, you know. Sam Dutton, 00:39:32.489 --> 00:39:35.909 who makes $50 ,000 a year. Yeah, but I wonder 00:39:35.909 --> 00:39:38.630 like, so like it's so secretive, like something 00:39:38.630 --> 00:39:41.349 like Elon Musk, he blabs all over X and all over 00:39:41.349 --> 00:39:43.710 the internet. I'm sure he's part of secret societies. 00:39:43.789 --> 00:39:46.309 They'll get me wrong. But I wonder if they're 00:39:46.309 --> 00:39:48.309 picky. I mean, like if you're a member, you can 00:39:48.309 --> 00:39:50.250 invite people so people can come in and experience 00:39:50.250 --> 00:39:54.630 it. But I wonder if they're choosy because of 00:39:54.630 --> 00:39:57.070 they just want people to be quiet about what 00:39:57.070 --> 00:40:00.460 happens. behind the gates. You know, it is interesting. 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:02.239 I often wonder, because there's so many secret 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:04.000 societies, like you have the Illuminati, which 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.260 apparently disbanded hundreds of years ago, but 00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:09.920 still claim that they exist, but just in different 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.880 facet form. That's an interesting one, but we 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.340 won't talk about it now. It happened like in 00:40:15.340 --> 00:40:18.460 the 1700s, the Catholic Church banned it. They 00:40:18.460 --> 00:40:21.639 imprisoned some of them. told others to leave 00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:25.519 Bavaria, has kind of said that you can't be a 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.059 part of this group. And they have, obviously, 00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:29.699 the Freemasons, which is a huge one. There's 00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:32.920 Freemason lodges all over the country. I think 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.320 99 .9 % of the people that go there are just 00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.789 dudes wanting to get drunk. hang out with their 00:40:37.789 --> 00:40:39.289 friends. But I think as you get to the topic, 00:40:39.309 --> 00:40:41.409 it becomes a little bit more esoteric and a little 00:40:41.409 --> 00:40:44.369 bit more cultish. But I wonder how many of these 00:40:44.369 --> 00:40:46.630 kind of filter up to the Bohemian Grove. Like 00:40:46.630 --> 00:40:48.989 I wonder what, on what tier this is. This is 00:40:48.989 --> 00:40:52.929 like the ultimate level of secret society. Like 00:40:52.929 --> 00:40:54.590 you have the skull and bones, the bushes were 00:40:54.590 --> 00:40:57.829 big into that, John Kerry at Yale. And they all, 00:40:57.889 --> 00:40:59.429 I wonder if they all just kind of filter together. 00:40:59.630 --> 00:41:02.059 Like it's like. It's like in the NFL, like you 00:41:02.059 --> 00:41:03.639 might play for the Seahawks. So this guy might 00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:05.559 play for the Falcons, right? You're all in the 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:07.300 same league. You're just some different teams 00:41:07.300 --> 00:41:10.059 that all kind of compete in a friendly manner, 00:41:10.059 --> 00:41:12.579 but you're all underneath the same big giant 00:41:12.579 --> 00:41:15.119 harvest umbrella. And it's all interrelated. 00:41:16.489 --> 00:41:19.030 If I think about it from a corporate or a business 00:41:19.030 --> 00:41:21.670 sense, when we talk about the tech figures, they're 00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:23.469 all in the same room a couple of times a year, 00:41:23.550 --> 00:41:25.309 discussing strategy, whether at the presidential 00:41:25.309 --> 00:41:28.489 level or just internally. I know my company, 00:41:28.750 --> 00:41:30.809 we meet with our competitors at least once a 00:41:30.809 --> 00:41:33.869 year, sometimes more than that, just to set down 00:41:33.869 --> 00:41:35.570 a time. We're not the head of the company, we're 00:41:35.570 --> 00:41:38.110 just at a very specific investigations risk management 00:41:38.110 --> 00:41:40.190 branch, but we get with our competitors every 00:41:40.190 --> 00:41:43.150 year and have conversations. Then we see them 00:41:43.150 --> 00:41:46.019 in conferences and stuff. the same circles, you 00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:48.699 ultimately spend time together and you get to 00:41:48.699 --> 00:41:50.820 know each other and you start to, you hear how 00:41:50.820 --> 00:41:53.360 successful their AI program is. So you want to 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:55.099 build one because they made a hundred billion 00:41:55.099 --> 00:41:57.760 dollars, right? So you start to see that influence 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.320 kind of rub off on each other. Yeah. I was just 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.039 looking though at the structure of these camps 00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:06.179 and it's, it's kind of interesting just kind 00:42:06.179 --> 00:42:09.199 of looking at the camp names. So they have many. 00:42:09.619 --> 00:42:12.760 So here are the camp names. Hillbillies, Mandalay. 00:42:13.410 --> 00:42:17.489 Caveman, Stowaway, Uplifters, Owl's Nest, Hideaway, 00:42:17.789 --> 00:42:21.590 Isle of Aves, Los Angeles, Silverado Squatters, 00:42:22.570 --> 00:42:25.329 a word I can't even say, Simpavirans, Hillside, 00:42:25.489 --> 00:42:29.449 and Idolwood. And then they have their main facilities, 00:42:29.610 --> 00:42:31.630 which is the Grove Stage, which is an amphitheater 00:42:31.630 --> 00:42:35.030 that seats about 2 ,000 people, which is primarily 00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:38.699 used for the sacrificial... Mumbo jump, whatever's 00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:41.280 going on out there. And what they call Grove 00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:44.159 play. They have the field circle bowl shaped 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.000 amphitheater used for musical performances and 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.260 seasonal events. They have the campfire circle, 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.360 the museum stage, the dining circle, clubhouse, 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:56.039 and then the owl shrine and lake. And that's 00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:57.900 where the owl is where they burn it right out, 00:42:58.039 --> 00:42:59.760 right outside of the amphitheater. And a lot 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:01.719 of people talk about the mysticism because they 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:04.079 walk across the lake to burn this owl and do 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.760 all this weird stuff. But We're talking a huge 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.519 place. It's absolutely huge. I mean, they have 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:14.679 camp valets and head valets and cleaning people 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:18.239 and service people. And we're talking like a 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.960 major resort type of situation out there with 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.219 the number of camps and buildings and grounds 00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:25.659 and maintenance. Obviously it has to be huge 00:43:25.659 --> 00:43:27.500 and maintenance just to cut the grass and keep 00:43:27.500 --> 00:43:30.659 the weeds down. And none of these people talk 00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:32.360 about anything weird. I guess that's what I find 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.550 weird. I mean, they're. their oath of silence 00:43:34.550 --> 00:43:38.110 is very strong because you have people that likely 00:43:38.110 --> 00:43:40.829 have no care in the, I'd just go out to the Bohemian 00:43:40.829 --> 00:43:43.489 Grove to cut their grass. You think that person 00:43:43.489 --> 00:43:46.590 would be like, I've seen some weird shit, but 00:43:46.590 --> 00:43:48.349 maybe they hide it all in this folks. Well, I 00:43:48.349 --> 00:43:50.389 mean, some of them claim it's just not, nothing 00:43:50.389 --> 00:43:53.469 has been substantiated. I don't know. I just 00:43:53.469 --> 00:43:55.769 think it's hard to get 2 ,700 people together 00:43:55.769 --> 00:43:59.039 and some crazy like. child sacrifice happens 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.280 and you don't go out and be like, yo, especially 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.519 if you're rich and super powerful, you have back 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:06.000 channels to let this information be put out. 00:44:06.219 --> 00:44:07.639 I mean, maybe I'm giving the government too much 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.500 credit. I don't know. I just think that, and 00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:14.219 let's say hypothetically, just indulge me here. 00:44:14.780 --> 00:44:17.400 Let's say that that effigy, the cremation of 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.260 care is actually a baby. I would think most of 00:44:21.260 --> 00:44:23.260 the people there think it's just a mock sacrifice, 00:44:23.260 --> 00:44:25.239 right? They don't think it's an actual human. 00:44:25.340 --> 00:44:28.880 They think it's just something in the Like some 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.960 doll wrapped up in a towel and this is being 00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:34.920 burned. And to them, it's just some weird Hinduistic 00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.599 type party that they can go to and make business 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.920 connections. Well, there's some folks that say 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.900 that most people don't know at all, right? Like 00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:44.719 they think they just see an effigy building because 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.340 it's this massive thing. And supposedly they 00:44:47.340 --> 00:44:50.239 put the child inside of the effigy and only what 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.639 they consider the old guard actually know what's 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.329 occurring during this ceremony. 2000 or 1800 00:44:57.329 --> 00:44:59.670 or whatever the case may be, people just think 00:44:59.670 --> 00:45:03.050 it's a burning statue versus a child. And, you 00:45:03.050 --> 00:45:05.429 know, if the kid were to scream or whatever, 00:45:05.489 --> 00:45:07.449 if this thing ain't soundproof, like they're 00:45:07.449 --> 00:45:10.130 all busy chanting or saying whatever chant that 00:45:10.130 --> 00:45:11.710 they're saying, they hear probably anything. 00:45:11.869 --> 00:45:13.730 Well, I think they actually project according 00:45:13.730 --> 00:45:16.989 to them, they have speakers that project a screaming 00:45:16.989 --> 00:45:21.889 voice. Oh, really? Yeah. So, uh, so I mean, I 00:45:21.889 --> 00:45:24.170 don't really think you would know if you're just 00:45:24.170 --> 00:45:27.309 there. visiting them. Again, you know, I think 00:45:27.309 --> 00:45:30.170 sometimes these really big clubs, groups, organizations, 00:45:30.449 --> 00:45:32.510 like most people that go to them, assuming something 00:45:32.510 --> 00:45:34.690 in the fairies is happening, you don't really 00:45:34.690 --> 00:45:36.110 know about it. You just think it's some sort 00:45:36.110 --> 00:45:38.190 of production. I mean, you look around it, I 00:45:38.190 --> 00:45:39.949 mean, originally kind of started off as a place 00:45:39.949 --> 00:45:44.130 for singers, actors. They were like a big part 00:45:44.130 --> 00:45:47.510 of it. And for most people going there, they 00:45:47.510 --> 00:45:51.159 probably just think it's... some form of theater, 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.719 just entertainment. I mean, I would feel very 00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:58.340 uncomfortable. Even if I knew it was like a fake 00:45:58.340 --> 00:45:59.780 baby, I'm like, I'm not going to be in space. 00:45:59.900 --> 00:46:02.820 This is like a mock sacrifice to carve an image 00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:04.940 that's against my religion. I'm not going to 00:46:04.940 --> 00:46:08.599 be here. I like a bonfire as good as the next 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:10.440 band, but if you start making in the shapes of 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:13.139 stuff, I'm out. Yeah, I'm out too, dude. And 00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:14.840 if I see a bunch of old naked dudes walk around, 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.519 I'm out too. Totally out. I came to the gym sauna, 00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:20.920 I'm too like, no, I'm good. Oh yeah, I'm out 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.500 of here, man. This is not my cup of tea, brother. 00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:29.119 I think getting into what I think, right, is... 00:46:29.179 --> 00:46:31.360 I think there's a lot of stupid people out there. 00:46:31.420 --> 00:46:32.800 And like you said, right, like they're there 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.099 stare for the entertainment value or being very 00:46:35.099 --> 00:46:37.119 exclusive, right? Some people just get off on, 00:46:37.340 --> 00:46:39.780 I'm the one of a dozen people that can go and 00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:42.000 attend this thing. And I feel special because 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.000 I get to attend it. And there's some very dark 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.039 people behind the scenes that are kind of pulling 00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:48.880 all the strings. They're kind of pushing forward 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.260 their mission and they're gaining influence over 00:46:51.260 --> 00:46:53.480 these folks. And I don't know. I always just 00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.000 think when we think of the, the new world order, 00:46:56.139 --> 00:46:58.300 that's kind of getting ushered in as we, we march 00:46:58.300 --> 00:47:01.579 closer to the end of times. I think sometimes 00:47:01.579 --> 00:47:02.960 I'm most wondering if like, is it already there? 00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:05.019 Are these people in the background already pulling 00:47:05.019 --> 00:47:07.480 the strings and they're in the same rooms in 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.480 different regions of the world and making these 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:11.760 horrible decisions that are ultimately the destruction? 00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:14.550 I think, yeah, I think. I think when we talk 00:47:14.550 --> 00:47:17.070 about Revelation's time, the people that accept 00:47:17.070 --> 00:47:20.150 the mark of the beast and willingly give up their 00:47:20.150 --> 00:47:21.670 soul, most of them aren't just going to do it 00:47:21.670 --> 00:47:24.329 because they're stupid, right? They haven't taken 00:47:24.329 --> 00:47:26.429 the time to read the Bible. They chose not to 00:47:26.429 --> 00:47:27.909 believe in anything and they don't think it's 00:47:27.909 --> 00:47:30.610 real, so whatever, pit the chip in me or whatever 00:47:30.610 --> 00:47:33.110 the case may be, while all these really dark 00:47:33.110 --> 00:47:36.590 people are manipulating the situation. And I 00:47:36.590 --> 00:47:38.190 think ultimately that's probably what it is there. 00:47:38.250 --> 00:47:40.469 You know, I can't say for certain because the 00:47:40.469 --> 00:47:42.909 evidence is not hard in this particular case, 00:47:43.369 --> 00:47:45.750 but. If you start having effigies and stuff, 00:47:45.949 --> 00:47:47.489 I think there's something very dark going on 00:47:47.489 --> 00:47:49.630 in the background. But I think it's probably 00:47:49.630 --> 00:47:52.829 isolated to a small group of people and everybody 00:47:52.829 --> 00:47:55.570 else is just kind of dumb sheep that are jumping 00:47:55.570 --> 00:47:58.030 in line and be hoping for that branding of being 00:47:58.030 --> 00:48:01.409 exclusive or being the chosen one or being popular 00:48:01.409 --> 00:48:04.429 or having something that somebody else doesn't. 00:48:04.510 --> 00:48:07.469 So they get into weird stuff and then perhaps 00:48:07.469 --> 00:48:09.670 they get blackmailed down the road. Yeah, I mean, 00:48:09.829 --> 00:48:12.449 I think worst case scenario in this situation, 00:48:12.969 --> 00:48:15.570 and some of our listeners might get mad at me 00:48:15.570 --> 00:48:18.849 for saying this, but just hear me out. This is 00:48:18.849 --> 00:48:22.730 just how Jay's brain thinks. So I think worst 00:48:22.730 --> 00:48:25.530 case, do I think they bring prostitutes in there? 00:48:25.969 --> 00:48:30.550 Yes. Male and female. Do I think that with 2 00:48:30.550 --> 00:48:34.650 ,700 dudes there, there's a couple hundred gay 00:48:34.650 --> 00:48:37.719 dudes that have sex with each other? Yes. I do. 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.699 And I think that's kind of where the blackmail 00:48:39.699 --> 00:48:41.380 comes into play. So like, let's say you're a 00:48:41.380 --> 00:48:43.019 straight guy and you want to prostitute, right? 00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:45.300 You're going to be videotaped. If you're a gay 00:48:45.300 --> 00:48:47.780 guy and you meet another gay guy and you have 00:48:47.780 --> 00:48:49.840 a male orgy, are you being videotaped? Yes. I 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.599 would say probably 95 % of the people in there 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:56.659 don't do anything other than maybe walk around 00:48:56.659 --> 00:48:58.780 naked and pee in the woods and drink heavily 00:48:58.780 --> 00:49:01.260 and act like idiots, act like they're 15 again, 00:49:01.340 --> 00:49:04.119 16, what have you, whatever, just a stupid college 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.860 kid and kind of let loose. I think that's what 00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:11.260 most of it is. I think a lot of people unknowingly 00:49:11.260 --> 00:49:14.099 involve themselves in occult rituals without 00:49:14.099 --> 00:49:16.900 being, like you said, I'm going to use the word 00:49:16.900 --> 00:49:19.159 stupid, but probably more ignorant than anything. 00:49:19.619 --> 00:49:22.980 Or just write it off ethically or morally as, 00:49:23.460 --> 00:49:25.420 I'm just watching a play, like no big deal, whatever. 00:49:25.579 --> 00:49:27.139 There's a bunch of dudes around here. I'm just 00:49:27.139 --> 00:49:30.780 going to sit back and just watch. I think the 00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:32.679 message of what they're sending is terrible. 00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:36.619 I mean, it's projected as mullic. mock child 00:49:36.619 --> 00:49:39.119 sacrifice. I mean, I wouldn't be comfortable 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.699 watching that or participating in it. But I also 00:49:42.699 --> 00:49:44.679 do think a lot of people at the very top or I 00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.159 think are very heavily into their call. They 00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:50.380 know exactly what they're doing. And sometimes 00:49:50.380 --> 00:49:52.380 unwilling participants kind of get drugged along 00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:54.920 and kind of get spiritually wounded in the process. 00:49:55.460 --> 00:49:57.699 I don't do, I really don't think they're killing 00:49:57.699 --> 00:50:00.349 babies there. That's just me. I'm not saying 00:50:00.349 --> 00:50:03.010 it hasn't happened, especially a hundred years 00:50:03.010 --> 00:50:05.929 ago at some weird point or, and if it does happen, 00:50:06.250 --> 00:50:08.510 just hear me out. I don't think it happens during 00:50:08.510 --> 00:50:10.949 that two or three weeks, right? That stuff's 00:50:10.949 --> 00:50:13.369 happening when you have 10 guys and the party's 00:50:13.369 --> 00:50:15.530 over and you're going there in the middle of 00:50:15.530 --> 00:50:18.820 December and you know, no one's around. And then 00:50:18.820 --> 00:50:21.320 you're doing all that weird crap if it happens. 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.780 You're not doing it while there's 2 ,700 people 00:50:23.780 --> 00:50:27.019 there, plus there's security, plus all the workers 00:50:27.019 --> 00:50:28.760 there. Like you're just, you're not gonna, I 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.519 mean, let's just think about it logically. Let's 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:33.780 think about it trying to mitigate your risk. 00:50:34.219 --> 00:50:35.679 Why would you put yourself in that situation? 00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:38.119 Why would you risk that? Why would you risk somebody 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:40.780 seeing that and then going out and telling everybody? 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:43.639 And for me, and like, again, I mean, the counter 00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:45.639 -narrative is, well, they get rid of all the 00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.940 witnesses or they... Threaten all the witnesses. 00:50:48.739 --> 00:50:50.320 Eventually somebody talks. This has been going 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.300 on for 150 years. You know, thousands of people 00:50:53.300 --> 00:50:56.300 a year. No one's talked, even on their deathbed. 00:50:56.440 --> 00:51:00.219 Like it's just, it's a hard sell for me. I think 00:51:00.219 --> 00:51:02.539 it's a place for people to get messed up, probably 00:51:02.539 --> 00:51:05.519 do drugs, have sex with prostitutes. Like their 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:07.539 wives and kids aren't there. I mean, it would 00:51:07.539 --> 00:51:10.880 be hard. I mean, this is just not how I, how 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.780 my brain works. But I know a lot of people who, 00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:15.260 if they got invited, especially if they were 00:51:15.260 --> 00:51:17.079 high up in the company, they'd jump all over 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.880 that, right? I can meet this rich guy. I can 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.320 meet this politician. Why wouldn't I? I mean, 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.139 I don't want to make those contacts. I don't 00:51:24.139 --> 00:51:26.539 want to make those relationships. But most people 00:51:26.539 --> 00:51:29.420 would. So most people would go just to get that 00:51:29.420 --> 00:51:31.619 exposure, to get those numbers, to get that email, 00:51:32.179 --> 00:51:36.000 to make sales, to maybe get a new job or to get 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.130 into politics. Uh, it's a, it's, it's, I mean, 00:51:40.170 --> 00:51:43.750 a form of lust, right? Greed, you know, appealing 00:51:43.750 --> 00:51:46.030 to your ego. Like you said, everyone wants to 00:51:46.030 --> 00:51:49.929 feel special and chosen in a lead on some level. 00:51:50.449 --> 00:51:53.190 And for a lot of, I mean, particularly businessmen, 00:51:53.269 --> 00:51:54.849 I mean, I'm sure that would be the biggest stroke 00:51:54.849 --> 00:51:56.710 to their ego. Like all the number of Bohemian 00:51:56.710 --> 00:51:59.170 Grove. Oh, I got invited to be, I met president 00:51:59.170 --> 00:52:02.420 so -and -so or whatever. Yeah, it's a sad state 00:52:02.420 --> 00:52:04.340 of affairs. Most people will do anything to get 00:52:04.340 --> 00:52:07.119 into that chosen status or to get that influence 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:10.340 or whatever, right, to gain that competitive 00:52:10.340 --> 00:52:12.639 advantage. And some people, why am I not chosen? 00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:14.849 Well, Everybody actually is, right? And that's 00:52:14.849 --> 00:52:16.969 what's great about Jesus Christ in my mind is 00:52:16.969 --> 00:52:18.570 he's got to repent of your sins and follow his 00:52:18.570 --> 00:52:20.389 ways. You're chosen, man. You got a spot for 00:52:20.389 --> 00:52:22.769 you in the most exclusive club that you're ever 00:52:22.769 --> 00:52:25.369 going to know or ever going to want to be a part 00:52:25.369 --> 00:52:27.869 of. So that's what I kind of follow towards. 00:52:28.230 --> 00:52:30.230 And that's why I've never been into, you know, 00:52:30.230 --> 00:52:31.929 they have all these like, I don't even call them 00:52:31.929 --> 00:52:33.730 secret societies, but just societies in general, 00:52:33.769 --> 00:52:35.889 like the Elks club and like all these other clubs 00:52:35.889 --> 00:52:38.369 that you see around town. It just hasn't been 00:52:38.369 --> 00:52:40.610 for me, right? Like it's just, whether I'm eligible 00:52:40.610 --> 00:52:42.610 or not, I don't know, but it just has. hasn't 00:52:42.610 --> 00:52:45.929 been for me and I don't need that exclusivity 00:52:45.929 --> 00:52:48.409 tag. I want to be part of the kingdom of God. 00:52:48.469 --> 00:52:51.369 I want to be with my family. Those are green 00:52:51.369 --> 00:52:53.650 brothers. Those are my tags. That's really all 00:52:53.650 --> 00:52:56.570 I care about and providing for my family. But 00:52:56.570 --> 00:52:58.969 I think when you want something so much and you 00:52:58.969 --> 00:53:02.110 turn that into lust and desire, bad things are 00:53:02.110 --> 00:53:03.909 waiting on the other end of it. I think that's 00:53:03.909 --> 00:53:06.429 what Bohemian Grove is. People are chasing after 00:53:06.429 --> 00:53:08.429 a fallacy, a dream, something that's never going 00:53:08.429 --> 00:53:11.250 to be attained. And there is darkness waiting 00:53:11.250 --> 00:53:13.760 on that. other side and, you know, what are they 00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:16.000 doing? Nobody's ever talked about it. But, you 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.000 know, I think it starts at the gate. It starts 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.519 with the effigy. It starts with Moloch that traces 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.079 back several thousand years to the canines, to 00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:25.880 effigy worship, to child murder. Why put your 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:27.699 card in that hat? And whether it's good, bad 00:53:27.699 --> 00:53:29.199 or indifferent, why put your card in that hat? 00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:31.840 It's not going to work for you. So I say, you 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.639 know, stay away from it. It's not worth your 00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:36.519 time, money, effort or energy and put it into 00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.500 something more important. Yeah, I mean, you know, 00:53:38.500 --> 00:53:40.820 I'm not even comfortable taking those anywhere. 00:53:40.780 --> 00:53:43.099 I tried the whole fraternity thing in college 00:53:43.099 --> 00:53:47.380 and it wasn't for me. It just seemed too, it 00:53:47.380 --> 00:53:52.219 just seemed too fake. It was just ego stroking 00:53:52.219 --> 00:53:55.659 and trying to get status and, you know, people 00:53:55.659 --> 00:53:58.300 wanting you to do stupid crap. I'm like, I'm 00:53:58.300 --> 00:54:02.800 not participating, this is retarded. And like, 00:54:02.820 --> 00:54:04.880 I don't, I don't need to appeal to my ego like 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.360 that. I don't want to take an oath to a society 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.719 or a group other than. my Lord and Savior Jesus 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:14.079 Christ or to my family, right? Obviously, I love 00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:15.880 my country. I think that's a little different 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:17.920 because if you have to fight for your country 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:22.000 and if you want to go up the chain, you're fighting 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.539 for your way of life, you're fighting for your 00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:26.659 family, you're trying to fight for what you think 00:54:26.659 --> 00:54:30.260 is good. But anything outside of that... to take 00:54:30.260 --> 00:54:34.019 an O2 or participate in those kind of occult 00:54:34.019 --> 00:54:36.179 rituals, it seems like you're kind of giving 00:54:36.179 --> 00:54:39.420 the part of your soul or yourself away to it 00:54:39.420 --> 00:54:41.780 for something that's, like you said, just not 00:54:41.780 --> 00:54:45.380 very rooted in anything good other than greed, 00:54:45.659 --> 00:54:49.519 ego, lust, want. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:56.159 This is, I mean, this one's, I think this one's. 00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:59.019 On the surface looks very, very appealing as 00:54:59.019 --> 00:55:01.900 a conspiracy, but again, man, just a lack of 00:55:01.900 --> 00:55:05.460 evidence, lack of anything hard, anything that 00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:09.440 is definitive. It's just tough to... to draw 00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.519 some of these hyperbolic grandiose conclusions 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:14.420 about some of the stuff that's going on. Dude, 00:55:14.539 --> 00:55:17.800 you can get 2 ,000, 3 ,000 people together, right? 00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.480 A small number is going to be involving prostitutes. 00:55:20.659 --> 00:55:22.219 A small number is going to be having sex together. 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.159 A small number is going to be doing drugs and 00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:25.800 weird crap, right? A small number is going to 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.239 be praying to the devil. You can't control it. 00:55:30.380 --> 00:55:33.099 You can't control what people do when they're 00:55:33.099 --> 00:55:36.219 not within your immediate scope. And that place 00:55:36.219 --> 00:55:39.489 is 2 ,700 acres. I'm sure people have been raped 00:55:39.489 --> 00:55:42.849 and killed there, but that's not the intention 00:55:42.849 --> 00:55:46.519 of it, right? I think it's... It's weird on the 00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:47.880 surface. Like you said, it's weird on the surface. 00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:49.960 What I struggled with in my research is finding 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.719 the hard evidence in order to say this is true 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:54.039 or not. Obviously there's a lot of people that 00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:55.880 believe it. Like we talked about Alex Jones, 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.039 other folks that, you know, fall into his realm. 00:55:58.380 --> 00:55:59.900 They believe really bad things are happening 00:55:59.900 --> 00:56:02.599 there. But again, there's no hard evidence. And 00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:04.940 that's for me where I draw the line. Now, I think 00:56:04.940 --> 00:56:07.980 we made up revisiting this topic again in 10 00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:10.219 years when that leaker comes out and says something 00:56:10.219 --> 00:56:13.099 bad, because I think it's almost disposition 00:56:13.099 --> 00:56:15.539 that we're going to hear about this. again when 00:56:15.539 --> 00:56:18.219 somebody finally does break their code of silence 00:56:18.219 --> 00:56:21.000 and doesn't care that they're named in some weird 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.739 scam or whatever, or on their deathbed and they 00:56:23.739 --> 00:56:26.360 give it a confession. So maybe we talk about 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:28.579 it again in a few more years and see what comes 00:56:28.579 --> 00:56:32.519 of it. But right now, as it stands, I put it 00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:34.920 in the highly suspicious because if you have 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.489 an effigy, man, I have not. I'm not your team. 00:56:37.510 --> 00:56:40.429 Like I don't like that. So it's highly suspicious 00:56:40.429 --> 00:56:42.909 for me, but I, in the same token, I put it in 00:56:42.909 --> 00:56:44.869 the dud category because there's no hard evidence 00:56:44.869 --> 00:56:47.909 yet. Yeah. It's weird, but unlikely, I guess 00:56:47.909 --> 00:56:49.929 is what you're saying. Yes. You're practicing 00:56:49.929 --> 00:56:52.409 some occult stuff. You're probably worshiping 00:56:52.409 --> 00:56:54.590 the demon knowingly, at least a small percentage 00:56:54.590 --> 00:56:58.110 of them. Weird, not cool, not good, but unlikely, 00:56:58.469 --> 00:57:01.210 unlikely that some of the extreme claims are 00:57:01.210 --> 00:57:03.289 happening. The extreme ones. Yeah. I think some 00:57:03.289 --> 00:57:05.250 of the minor ones are right. Just cause that's 00:57:05.250 --> 00:57:07.820 just the way I think if you got 3000 people together 00:57:07.820 --> 00:57:10.059 in your neighborhood, you're going to have weird, 00:57:10.380 --> 00:57:13.239 strange, not good stuff happen, right? It's just 00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:16.300 a factor of that. There's a certain percentage 00:57:16.300 --> 00:57:18.579 of humans that just want to do bad, weird, crappy 00:57:18.579 --> 00:57:21.760 stuff. And you say you throw a neighborhood party, 00:57:22.300 --> 00:57:25.119 someone gets beat up or sexually assaulted or 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:27.000 does driving that. You're not really responsible 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:28.739 for me. You're not responsible for that. You 00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:31.139 can't control that many people. I mean, I guess 00:57:31.139 --> 00:57:32.739 legally there's someone can make a claim that 00:57:32.739 --> 00:57:36.659 you are, but in real, but in reality, you. can't 00:57:36.659 --> 00:57:39.630 control what other people do. Yeah. It's like 00:57:39.630 --> 00:57:42.090 a hotel, right? Like you go to a hotel and there's 00:57:42.090 --> 00:57:43.829 a mega hotel where the thousand people stays 00:57:43.829 --> 00:57:45.769 every night. Bad shit happens. Cops come out, 00:57:45.809 --> 00:57:47.610 you know, I'm at the so many hotels in my career. 00:57:47.710 --> 00:57:49.969 I couldn't tell you how many, um, cause bad shit 00:57:49.969 --> 00:57:51.869 happens there, but wasn't the intent of the hotel. 00:57:52.110 --> 00:57:54.070 Right. Um, but yeah, like I said, not a team 00:57:54.070 --> 00:57:56.610 supporter of this because of their ideology, 00:57:56.869 --> 00:57:58.849 but, uh, yeah, it's no hard facts out there. 00:57:58.929 --> 00:58:00.110 What do you want to, what do you want to close 00:58:00.110 --> 00:58:02.050 with tonight? Yeah, I just, you know, you just 00:58:02.050 --> 00:58:04.230 see a lot of reflections of this modern day, 00:58:04.230 --> 00:58:07.710 a call, which I think stems back to. Babylonia, 00:58:07.889 --> 00:58:09.809 you can trace that back to Nimrod, you can trace 00:58:09.809 --> 00:58:12.510 that back before the flood, and you just see 00:58:12.510 --> 00:58:15.329 a lot of this kind of popping its head up in 00:58:15.329 --> 00:58:19.650 modern culture. It's dressed up as something 00:58:19.650 --> 00:58:22.409 harmless, it's dressed up as something maybe 00:58:22.409 --> 00:58:25.070 entertaining, but it's still there. It's still 00:58:25.070 --> 00:58:27.170 the underlying current of spiritual warfare. 00:58:27.769 --> 00:58:30.369 Even if you're not, like, I mean, sometimes your 00:58:30.369 --> 00:58:32.760 attention can be the sacrifice. Your willingness 00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:35.340 to participate can be the sacrifice. Like you're 00:58:35.340 --> 00:58:37.519 sacrificing segments of your soul and your ethics 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.599 and your morals. You're not giving that glory 00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:42.059 to God. You're giving it to something else, thereby 00:58:42.059 --> 00:58:45.260 putting that thing, that deity, or it doesn't 00:58:45.260 --> 00:58:47.300 even have to be a deity. It can be your own self 00:58:47.300 --> 00:58:50.900 -interest above what God wants. And, you know, 00:58:50.900 --> 00:58:53.239 again, this is where we always talk about discernment 00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.719 and wisdom. You need to make sure that you're 00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.139 reading your Bible. And listen, like you said, 00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.409 man, I think you put it best. The only club you 00:59:02.409 --> 00:59:05.590 want to be a part of is the club of heaven, right? 00:59:05.730 --> 00:59:08.349 You want to be on team Jesus. That's the only 00:59:08.349 --> 00:59:10.510 person that's going to save you. You don't, you 00:59:10.510 --> 00:59:12.150 don't need billions of dollars on this earth. 00:59:12.210 --> 00:59:15.230 You don't need massive power to control everything 00:59:15.230 --> 00:59:17.869 around you. You don't need, you don't need that 00:59:17.869 --> 00:59:20.630 ego stroked all the time. You know, be humble, 00:59:20.909 --> 00:59:25.590 man. Like love what you have, work hard and, 00:59:25.590 --> 00:59:28.289 and Jesus loves you, man. You know, I love you. 00:59:28.469 --> 00:59:31.380 Jesus loves you. We love you. The conspiracy 00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:33.960 road can be a weird one, man. So I remember like 00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:35.800 when I first started going down, this is just 00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:39.760 a little kind of sidebar. Like, it can make you 00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:42.679 kind of feel, if you get so deep into it, it 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:44.679 can become mentally and spiritually distressing, 00:59:44.739 --> 00:59:47.300 right? It's almost kind of like the red pill, 00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:49.940 blue pill thing in The Matrix. Like, do you want 00:59:49.940 --> 00:59:51.360 to know or don't you want to know? Sometimes 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:53.380 you kind of like go down these rabbit holes, 00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.860 which I think are false or exaggerated or very 00:59:56.860 --> 00:59:59.889 hyperbolic. And you can start to think everything's 00:59:59.889 --> 01:00:02.269 a freaking conspiracy. You can think everything's 01:00:02.269 --> 01:00:04.989 evil. And sometimes, man, it's just a bunch of 01:00:04.989 --> 01:00:07.789 stupid humans on a bunch of weird stuff. And 01:00:07.789 --> 01:00:10.190 there's no real intent behind it. There's real 01:00:10.190 --> 01:00:13.329 intent behind it, but you can't think everything's 01:00:13.329 --> 01:00:16.590 a conspiracy. This one, I think it's a bunch 01:00:16.590 --> 01:00:18.380 of old dudes getting together. letting their 01:00:18.380 --> 01:00:21.699 wangs fly and peeing and drinking and making 01:00:21.699 --> 01:00:25.320 business deals in the back end. Yeah, I don't 01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:31.599 want that mental picture in my head. Nixon said 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:41.670 it best. No, I won't close with that. No, sometimes 01:00:41.670 --> 01:00:43.949 it only takes a mark, right? Like when we talk 01:00:43.949 --> 01:00:45.989 about them times and which way you're going to 01:00:45.989 --> 01:00:48.710 follow, I just say, we talk about the sermon, 01:00:48.710 --> 01:00:51.650 man, but just talk about energy. I don't know 01:00:51.650 --> 01:00:53.690 how people have the energy for this shit. Like 01:00:53.690 --> 01:00:56.369 I work full time. We have a podcast, right? I 01:00:56.369 --> 01:00:59.360 have two little kids and a wife. How do people 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:01.019 have time for this shit? That's all I really 01:01:01.019 --> 01:01:03.099 want to know is like, how do you have time to 01:01:03.099 --> 01:01:05.179 join secret societies? I can even find time to 01:01:05.179 --> 01:01:08.579 go on vacation. So if you have extra time, man, 01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:11.119 use it wisely. Don't use it on this dumb shit. 01:01:11.139 --> 01:01:13.119 It's not going to bless you. You can talk to 01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:15.019 very rich people. And I've talked to very rich 01:01:15.019 --> 01:01:17.119 people in this world. Does money make you happy? 01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:19.280 Absolutely not. Most of them will tell you I 01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:21.480 was happier when I was poor, right? Because with 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.159 tons of money comes tons of responsibility. And, 01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:26.199 and usually that brings you down because it's 01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:28.599 not for goodness. And especially if it's so serving. 01:01:29.059 --> 01:01:31.219 So, you know, do I think it's good to be successful? 01:01:31.300 --> 01:01:33.260 Yeah, work hard. I want to provide a good living 01:01:33.260 --> 01:01:35.820 for my family, but I'm not out there to be a 01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:38.940 trillionaire. I can tell you that much. Sometimes 01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:41.099 it's about just being able to sit down and play 01:01:41.099 --> 01:01:43.260 a game with your brother or hang out with your 01:01:43.260 --> 01:01:45.920 son or whatever the case may be and put your 01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:48.820 value into the relationships around you and mend 01:01:48.820 --> 01:01:52.059 those and, you know, make those good. I just 01:01:52.059 --> 01:01:54.360 want to say one more thing too. So we live in 01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:56.880 a clickbait culture now, right? So you said you 01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.230 watch a ton the YouTube videos about people going 01:01:59.230 --> 01:02:01.590 to the Bohemian Grove, sneaking in. I've seen 01:02:01.590 --> 01:02:03.590 a bunch of YouTube videos about guys driving 01:02:03.590 --> 01:02:05.949 up on jet skis to Epstein's Island. You live 01:02:05.949 --> 01:02:08.170 in a clickbait culture and then you'll scroll 01:02:08.170 --> 01:02:10.829 through Instagram or TikTok or YouTube. People 01:02:10.829 --> 01:02:14.190 are making, they want you to see the most outrageous 01:02:14.190 --> 01:02:17.230 stuff and hear the most outrageous stuff so you 01:02:17.230 --> 01:02:19.789 continue to watch their content, right? At a 01:02:19.789 --> 01:02:21.869 certain point in time, it starts to become a 01:02:21.869 --> 01:02:24.130 lie. And I'm not saying conspiracy is a lie. 01:02:24.429 --> 01:02:27.300 There's a truth in all of it. But the truth, 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:30.320 I think, is pointing toward the end, right? The 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:32.239 end of time. What's coming? What's coming in 01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:34.280 the Book of Revelation? What's going to happen 01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:36.840 in the future? And do I think people are out 01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:39.519 there doing it? Absolutely. But not everything 01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:43.099 is as extreme as you think it is. Not everything 01:02:43.099 --> 01:02:46.619 is as nefarious as you think it is. So I just 01:02:46.619 --> 01:02:48.840 want people to be careful when you start to see 01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.860 a lot of this click -baity type stuff and kind 01:02:51.860 --> 01:02:54.519 of look at it for what it is. Do your research. 01:02:54.860 --> 01:02:57.000 because oftentimes you'll find you're either 01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.380 being outright lied to, or somebody is maybe 01:03:00.380 --> 01:03:03.780 not making stuff up, but puffing it up a lot 01:03:03.780 --> 01:03:08.380 bigger than it actually is. Which can, in the 01:03:08.380 --> 01:03:11.019 long run, damage your mental health. Because 01:03:11.019 --> 01:03:13.739 I've had to step back from this conspiracy stuff 01:03:13.739 --> 01:03:16.500 at times. Like 20, 30 years ago when I first 01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:17.699 started reading it, I'm like, there's no way 01:03:17.699 --> 01:03:20.260 this is true, this is crazy, everything's crazy. 01:03:20.860 --> 01:03:23.599 And I noticed when I stepped away from it, I 01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:25.860 just felt better. My anxiety was down. You didn't 01:03:25.860 --> 01:03:29.019 think everything was, you didn't think the sky 01:03:29.019 --> 01:03:30.699 was falling. We've heard the sky was falling 01:03:30.699 --> 01:03:33.599 for as long as we've been alive. It's still, 01:03:33.699 --> 01:03:35.440 everything is still pretty intact. I mean, there's 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.519 a lot of stuff that needs to be fixed. There's 01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:39.639 a lot of stuff that is never going to get fixed, 01:03:39.980 --> 01:03:43.260 unfortunately. I mean, most people with the brain 01:03:43.260 --> 01:03:47.039 know the basic construct of how society should 01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:50.000 work. But you also have a big segment who wants 01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.800 to, they want the chaos, they want division, 01:03:53.139 --> 01:03:56.039 they want the confusion. And you have to be aware 01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.500 of that because I think there's an active force, 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.780 AKA devil, AKA some powers that be that want 01:04:01.780 --> 01:04:04.119 you divided, that want you at each other's throat. 01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.219 We've never lived in a more divided society. 01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:09.099 And the other thing, and the scariest part to 01:04:09.099 --> 01:04:10.699 me, especially when it comes back to this click 01:04:10.699 --> 01:04:13.219 -baity stuff. A lot of it is taking your eye 01:04:13.219 --> 01:04:15.579 off the ball to what's really happening, right? 01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:17.679 Is to draw your attention, like you said, your 01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:21.239 energy to something that's probably not true. 01:04:21.340 --> 01:04:23.059 And you're missing the big picture over here, 01:04:23.059 --> 01:04:25.880 right? While you're being robbed from behind 01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:28.199 because you're looking at the nice little shiny 01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.679 conspiracy. The real conspiracy is the fact that 01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:33.940 behind your back, the real stuff's going on. 01:04:34.010 --> 01:04:35.809 Yeah, a lot of times it's a distraction. A lot 01:04:35.809 --> 01:04:38.070 of people say with the Epstein files release, 01:04:38.090 --> 01:04:39.829 it was distracting from other things that were 01:04:39.829 --> 01:04:44.030 going on in the world at the time. I think it 01:04:44.030 --> 01:04:47.210 can be true, but sometimes I think it's a controlled 01:04:47.210 --> 01:04:49.269 release of the truth because they're doing something 01:04:49.269 --> 01:04:51.969 over here and it's like, oh, people really want 01:04:51.969 --> 01:04:54.070 to know about this. It's interesting. It's all 01:04:54.070 --> 01:04:57.829 true. But to me, the biggest thing is like, so 01:04:57.829 --> 01:04:59.510 there's six million documents. They released 01:04:59.510 --> 01:05:02.190 three million. My first question, where's the 01:05:02.190 --> 01:05:03.949 other three? I don't, I mean, yeah, these are 01:05:03.949 --> 01:05:08.889 interesting and terrible, but I mean, you released 01:05:08.889 --> 01:05:12.110 half. So what's in the other half? You know, 01:05:12.289 --> 01:05:14.570 like people are so distracted by digging through 01:05:14.570 --> 01:05:17.570 these, which people should, I mean, very, I think 01:05:17.570 --> 01:05:20.690 people that are sophisticated. I mean, a 3 million 01:05:20.690 --> 01:05:22.809 page data dump is too much for one person to 01:05:22.809 --> 01:05:27.590 look at. Right. So talk about, I hate to use 01:05:27.590 --> 01:05:29.309 the word distraction because I think it's important. 01:05:29.710 --> 01:05:32.530 but a way to divert your attention from what, 01:05:32.789 --> 01:05:35.250 like to me, it's like, okay, you released half. 01:05:35.929 --> 01:05:37.449 You obviously probably didn't release the worst 01:05:37.449 --> 01:05:39.849 half. What's in the other half? That's what I 01:05:39.849 --> 01:05:41.800 want to know. It was actually, you know, they 01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:43.940 said they only released half to protect victims, 01:05:43.940 --> 01:05:47.179 right? That were involved in the crimes that 01:05:47.179 --> 01:05:49.760 transpired, which could be the case. I mean, 01:05:49.860 --> 01:05:51.800 there's, there's a power of called redaction, 01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:53.960 right? Then many times in my career where you 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:56.119 have to redact documents before you disseminate 01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:58.079 them. So you don't give out what we call PII 01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.940 or personally, personally identifiable information. 01:06:01.569 --> 01:06:04.130 Um, but did you see how they redacted some of 01:06:04.130 --> 01:06:06.389 these documents? I've never seen a worse redaction 01:06:06.389 --> 01:06:08.809 in my entire life. Like the, the black bars that 01:06:08.809 --> 01:06:10.530 they put over to like block out people's name 01:06:10.530 --> 01:06:12.690 was only like half on it. So that's you. People 01:06:12.690 --> 01:06:14.809 could actually determine who the victims were. 01:06:14.809 --> 01:06:17.090 They had to pull some of the files back because 01:06:17.090 --> 01:06:19.369 the victims got identified. I'm like, I would 01:06:19.369 --> 01:06:21.630 fire somebody at my level for redacting that 01:06:21.630 --> 01:06:23.349 ability. Like you have some lawyer in a closet 01:06:23.349 --> 01:06:25.269 somewhere doing these redactions a hundred percent. 01:06:25.849 --> 01:06:28.829 That was intentional. That wasn't unintentional. 01:06:28.829 --> 01:06:31.610 That was intentional. But it was awful funny 01:06:31.610 --> 01:06:33.889 that the perpetrators aren't redacted. They're 01:06:33.889 --> 01:06:37.730 not half redacted. So that's a form of targeting, 01:06:37.789 --> 01:06:40.750 in my opinion. I agree. You're having the victims 01:06:40.750 --> 01:06:42.949 targeted while protecting the identities of the 01:06:42.949 --> 01:06:46.289 people who... Listen, a lot of those emails are 01:06:46.289 --> 01:06:48.630 from email addresses which you could easily tie 01:06:48.630 --> 01:06:51.250 back to a person, right? And he's talking with 01:06:51.250 --> 01:06:53.469 the head honcho of that group. They know who 01:06:53.469 --> 01:06:55.250 they are. They're not doing anything about it. 01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:57.019 They're not doing anything about it. But you 01:06:57.019 --> 01:07:01.239 want to expose the poor little girl who unfortunately 01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:03.260 got sucked up in that. So what, people can go 01:07:03.260 --> 01:07:06.340 after her and harass her? I mean, one of the 01:07:06.340 --> 01:07:10.280 people that wrote a book killed herself. That's 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:12.340 a different experience. I don't see why she would 01:07:12.340 --> 01:07:17.260 have done that. I almost think that was a problem 01:07:17.260 --> 01:07:22.710 that they tied up. But it's awful funny. do this 01:07:22.710 --> 01:07:26.010 poor redaction for the victim, but the real culprit, 01:07:26.190 --> 01:07:28.630 he's protected, or he or she or whoever it is. 01:07:28.690 --> 01:07:31.550 Whoever it is, yeah. It's weird, and I think 01:07:31.550 --> 01:07:33.349 at the end of the day, right, like a lot of people 01:07:33.349 --> 01:07:34.889 say, well, you're just talking about conspiracy 01:07:34.889 --> 01:07:36.550 theories and it's doom and gloom. We're trying 01:07:36.550 --> 01:07:39.610 to scale everybody. I would say I'm not a conspiracist, 01:07:39.690 --> 01:07:41.650 right? Like I, there's a lot of conspiracies 01:07:41.650 --> 01:07:44.110 that I just absolutely do not believe in. What 01:07:44.110 --> 01:07:46.309 I believe in is that we live in a fallen world 01:07:46.309 --> 01:07:48.309 and we have fallen people in control of this 01:07:48.309 --> 01:07:50.070 world and they're going to manipulate you, right? 01:07:50.230 --> 01:07:51.929 To me, I don't really call that a conspiracy. 01:07:52.190 --> 01:07:54.409 I call that reality, right? And I'm not saying 01:07:54.409 --> 01:07:57.170 that everything out there is a conspiracy or 01:07:57.170 --> 01:07:59.670 fake or whatever, but you have things people 01:07:59.670 --> 01:08:01.050 just don't want you to know what's going on. 01:08:01.190 --> 01:08:02.869 Just like the Epstein's, you know, took forever 01:08:02.869 --> 01:08:04.730 and they still haven't released many documents. 01:08:05.110 --> 01:08:06.909 There's people behind the scenes pulling strings. 01:08:07.170 --> 01:08:08.969 I mean, some of the - That's the conspiracy. 01:08:09.269 --> 01:08:11.690 That is the conspiracy. That is the real conspiracy. 01:08:12.210 --> 01:08:14.289 Why are you protecting them? Why aren't you releasing 01:08:14.289 --> 01:08:16.430 the documents? And again, we've talked about, 01:08:16.489 --> 01:08:17.930 we've brought up conspiracies. Hey, you want 01:08:17.930 --> 01:08:20.500 to do this this week? Let me look at it and we'll 01:08:20.500 --> 01:08:22.359 be like that's complete BS. Like why are you 01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:25.640 gonna waste our time, right? And then like, you 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:28.279 know There are just some conspiracy theories 01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:30.399 that that should they should just be science 01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:32.739 fiction novels because not only so unbelievable 01:08:32.739 --> 01:08:37.279 they're just they're kind of ridiculous and You 01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:40.579 know people try to sell you this fantasy. I mean, 01:08:40.579 --> 01:08:43.560 I think the perfect one is 21 and back I I think 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.680 I may have mentioned that it would be a fantastic 01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:50.170 Chris Pratt movie Like some sort of like Star 01:08:50.170 --> 01:08:52.430 Wars -y type thing. It would be amazing. Be an 01:08:52.430 --> 01:08:54.550 amazing movie. But these guys are just saying 01:08:54.550 --> 01:08:57.390 the most ridiculous, unbelievable crap, which 01:08:57.390 --> 01:09:00.770 this doesn't line up with anything that I believe 01:09:00.770 --> 01:09:02.710 can happen. Yeah. It's almost like, you know, 01:09:02.750 --> 01:09:05.529 the Church of Scientology. There was a book and 01:09:05.529 --> 01:09:07.189 then they churched it into a church. And even 01:09:07.189 --> 01:09:08.850 the guy that wrote the book said it was all fake. 01:09:08.909 --> 01:09:11.689 And now, you know, a million plus people, it's 01:09:11.689 --> 01:09:14.310 a global organization church and people worship 01:09:14.310 --> 01:09:17.149 it. And the guy's like, I made it all up. I mean, 01:09:17.250 --> 01:09:21.590 he had links with Aleister Crowley, the famous 01:09:22.200 --> 01:09:25.000 infamous Satanist. So that's just, you know, 01:09:25.180 --> 01:09:30.020 that's distraction from what the true Christian 01:09:30.020 --> 01:09:31.899 religion, this distraction to try to aside from 01:09:31.899 --> 01:09:34.640 people of true religion, you know. It's another, 01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:37.680 I mean, listen, the devil doesn't care if you 01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:39.060 believe in him. He just cares if you believe 01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:40.680 in Christ or not. That's all he cares about. 01:09:40.859 --> 01:09:43.619 He doesn't need you to believe in him. No, most 01:09:43.619 --> 01:09:45.479 Satanists you even hear from say they don't even 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.199 believe in Satan. They just call themselves that 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:50.220 because they're atheist. They just want to be 01:09:50.220 --> 01:09:52.979 divisive, right? And, you know, the devil will 01:09:52.979 --> 01:09:54.479 tell you his greatest trick is just make sure 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:56.579 that Jesus doesn't exist. He doesn't even care 01:09:56.579 --> 01:09:58.520 about God. He just wants to make sure that Jesus 01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:00.119 doesn't exist because that's your way to heaven. 01:10:00.579 --> 01:10:01.920 Yeah, he just wants your soul at the end of the 01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:03.020 day. He just doesn't want God to have it. That's 01:10:03.020 --> 01:10:04.899 how he gets it. He doesn't care if you believe 01:10:04.899 --> 01:10:07.770 him or not. He gives two craps. Hey, listen, 01:10:07.930 --> 01:10:10.090 he hates you. Like he wants nothing good for 01:10:10.090 --> 01:10:12.729 you. You don't believe in me? Good. I hate you. 01:10:13.310 --> 01:10:16.310 I don't care. Like I won because you don't, because 01:10:16.310 --> 01:10:17.970 you don't believe in Christ. That's all I care 01:10:17.970 --> 01:10:20.350 about. I'm not going to mess with you because 01:10:20.350 --> 01:10:23.890 whatever, like let the minion demons screw with 01:10:23.890 --> 01:10:26.350 you and mess up your life. Like I don't need, 01:10:26.430 --> 01:10:28.970 I don't need to screw with you. All right, man. 01:10:29.130 --> 01:10:32.449 I think this was a good episode though. It's 01:10:32.449 --> 01:10:35.029 sometimes fun talking about things, going into 01:10:35.029 --> 01:10:38.050 this because there is so much... You know, media 01:10:38.050 --> 01:10:40.770 attention on the Bohemian Grove and so many people 01:10:40.770 --> 01:10:43.069 that strongly believe in this conspiracy theory, 01:10:43.130 --> 01:10:45.630 as you mentioned them, Alex Jones, other YouTubers, 01:10:45.810 --> 01:10:47.829 other people out there that that believer happens. 01:10:47.850 --> 01:10:50.390 So it's an interesting topic for me to explore. 01:10:50.890 --> 01:10:52.970 And guess what? Sometimes we debunk them and, 01:10:52.970 --> 01:10:55.430 and sometimes we say, well, we don't agree with 01:10:55.430 --> 01:10:58.630 it. I think that's one of these cases. Now I 01:10:58.630 --> 01:11:01.109 think that effigy kind of, it kind of stirs me 01:11:01.109 --> 01:11:03.010 the wrong way a little bit. So I wonder if we'll 01:11:03.010 --> 01:11:04.750 be revisiting it in a couple of years, but for 01:11:04.750 --> 01:11:07.789 now I say, you know, You know, this is a dud. 01:11:07.789 --> 01:11:09.590 Nah, for now. 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