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A show about what they won't say and what you're
probably already thinking. No fluff, no filters,
no bullshit. Let's crack it open. Jay, if you're
driving down north, past the vineyards, past
the redwoods, there's a stretch where the road
starts to feel like it's kind of narrowing on
purpose. Yeah, and then you hit a part most people
never see the gate the private road the private
security the private just about everything That's
right. Because behind it is Bohemian Grove, about
2 ,700 acres of redwood forest near Monte Rio.
It's operated by the Bohemian Club, a San Francisco
institution that dates back to 1872. Yeah. And
the important word is what they call it. Started
as a late 1800 summer outing and turned into
a yearly mid -July gathering that runs for more
than two weeks. Yeah, what's kind of interesting,
right, is the guest list is where the mystique
kind of gets that oxygen. Politicians, executives,
major media, and cultural figures. They're kind
of people who don't usually mingle anywhere that
has, you know, a check -in desk. Which is why
the public hears retreat and the conspiracy world
hears backroom, or more accurately, boardroom
in the woods. Then there's that whole crazy owl
thing, that owl shrine that they have, right?
And they burn that effigy as they kind of gather
around it. It looks like worship, almost. Yeah,
I know exactly what you're talking about. It's
called the cremation of care. And if you read
any primary descriptions of this event, it's
basically a theatrical ritual, symbolic, very
deliberate and dramatic meant to kick off the
encampment by leaving your worries at the gate.
Yeah, but the aesthetics are kind of the point,
right? When you build a 30 or 40 foot tall owl
and the kind of light it up like a cathedral
in the trees, I think you're inviting these conspiracy
theories. Absolutely. And after that comes the
lakeside talks, closed sessions where high level
guests speak under a culture of discretion and
silence. There are even declassified examples
that confirm that this format exists. Yeah, absolutely.
So tonight we're not doing what I kind of call
the lazy question, right? We're not asking, is
it real? Of course it's real. How did an arts
and social club become a private summer camp
for some of the most elite people in the country
and arguably the world? And then we're going
to talk about what's documented, what's exaggerated,
and why both versions keep surviving. Well, here
we go. Welcome to the Bohemian Grove. So why
don't we get into a little bit to the background
of Bohemian Grove. It's a private campground
covering 2 ,700 acres in Mount Rio, California.
Founded in 1878, it's owned by a private gentleman's
club called the Bohemian Club. Each member of
the S -1 executive committee and represents from
major universities, industry, and the U .S. military.
Although Oppenheimer was not a member of the
S -1 committee, at the time, he and Lawrence
hosted the meeting there, and that discussion
held there contributed to the broader development
of the atomic bomb. In July of 1915, Dwight Eisenhower
and Richard Nixon met each other for the first
time as guests of former president Herbert Hoover
at Caveman Camp, a section of Bohemian Grove,
at a small group lunch with the host Hoover giving
a toast and Eisenhower giving a short speech,
followed by a time spent around the campfire.
Nixon, for his part, was in the middle of his
successful Senate campaign. saying, having impressed
Hoover with his political ability, especially
for playing a big role in taking down Algar Hiss
before the House Un -American Activities Committee
concerning charges that have been committed espionage.
Eisenhower at the time was the president of Columbia
University and he was a guest of honor. However,
it was more his political future that interested
the group of Hoover's associates and friends
who were mostly old guard conservatives, including
Hoover, who were more inclined to support Ohio
Senator Robert Taft in the upcoming 1952 United
States presidential election. But what's interesting
is hearing what the potential future president
has had to stay. At the table during lunch, Nixon
sat just a few seats down on the left across
from Eisenhower, who sat to his right next to
Hoover, who sat at the head of the table. At
some point during the gathering, Eisenhower and
Nixon had a brief conversation. Former U .S.
President Herbert Hoover was inducted into the
club's old guard on March 4th, 1953, having joined
the Bohemian club exactly four years earlier.
The requirement for the staff status. The Redwood
branches from the Grove were flown to the Waldorf
Astoria Hotel in New York City to decorate a
banquet room for the occasion. In his acceptance
speech, Hoover compared the honor of the old
guard status to his role as senior advisor to
later presidents, which included Ronald Reagan,
Richard Nixon, Glenn T. Seaborg, Jack Sparks,
Kevin Winters, and other individuals. Behavior
at the campground has really just led to numerous
claims and even some parody in popular culture.
One example example was President Richard Nixon's
comments from May 13th, 1971 tape recording,
talking about upper -class San Franciscans. The
Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time,
is the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever
imagine with the San Francisco crowd. In 2019,
the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors informed
the club that after that year, the county would
no longer provide law enforcement or security.
Until mid -July, the Bohemian Grove hosted an
annual gathering lasting more than two weeks,
attended by... invited members and guests from
politics, business, and the arts. Now they have
a long history of presidential candidates, setting
presidents like Bush himself, all attending this
very interesting club that kicks it off with
burning an effigy of a giant owl. And I don't
know if you've ever seen. videos on YouTube or
what have you. This thing must stand 20 plus
feet tall. It's a massive effigy that they burned
during those two weeks. And we've seen some powerful
things and powerful figures that have come out
of these camps, like the planning of the atomic
bomb with many other things. And now there's
a lot of conspiracy surrounding this and the
history and the founding of our nation when it
comes to Bohemian Grove, but a lot of wildness,
man. So you and I both know of Alex Jones. I'm
sure a lot of our audience does as well. I think
that's kind of when Alex and became famous is
when he infiltrated the Bohemian Grove and he
took undercover footage of some of the rituals.
And I think that's kind of when the whole cremation
of care, burning of the effigy thing kind of
came into like the social zeitgeist. And it looks
freaky. Like you said, a 30 to 40 foot owl, a
bunch of guys in black, white, and red robes
staying around it. And they're kind of chanting
stuff, which we can kind of get into some of
the stuff that they chant later into the episode
but you know I think the the part that makes
me uncomfortable and I think 99 .9 percent of
the people who see the footage is it almost appears
as if they're burning a baby like an infant it's
it's a creepy ceremony to We kind of witnessed
secondhand. But yeah, I just kind of want to
piggyback on some of the key timelines. Like
you said before, the club was founded in 1972.
The Grove, the Bohemian Grove itself was established
in the 1880s. So in the 1930s, playbooks for
the rituals like the Son of Balor and the Saint
Patrick of Katara feature occult themes revolving
around ancient forests, ruins, skulls, very occult,
very dark in nature. There's also been some It's
not even an accusation, it's just a fact that
the alleged Manhattan Project discussions Under
the Redwoods happened there. And you mentioned
Oppenheimer. And this is in the Washington Post,
so it is documented. In 1968, Richard Nixon's
presidential campaign reportedly organized there
despite roles against business, which I find
ironic. You get some of the most powerful people
in the world together. They forbid talking business.
And I just think that's kind of a ruse. I do
think they go out there and party and act like
fools. And I think Richard Nixon's comments...
Pretty hilarious. We'll kind of go into some
of the other oddities. that they do and some
of the roles that they have later. A lot of our
show is about biblical foundation and information
that we talk about. And we touched on the owl.
Do you know the owl is called the Owl of Moloch?
And from a Christianity perspective, that's a
big deal, right? Like it almost doesn't feel
like hemp enchants. What they say is this is
the most famous symbolic claim that the Grove's
massive owl isn't just wisdom, but it's stand
in for the ancient sacrifice deity, often named
Moloch. So the entire place becomes this altar
disguised as a retreat. narrative lens, hard
on visuals, a towering owl shrine, a nighttime
ceremony, robe participants, a lake, chanting,
and a burning climax. And these believers, they
argue that modern elites wouldn't choose that
kind of. symbolism by accident, especially if
the retreat was meant to be private. They frame
the owl as a mask, wisdom for outsiders and worship
for insiders. And the secrecy is treated as part
of this right itself. And the reason why it survives
is pretty simple, right? Like it's, you can kind
of picture it in your head right now as I'm talking
about it, these folks gathering around this mullet
statue that's an owl chanting at it and robes
and torches in the middle of the night. If we
break it down from a Christian perspective, Moloch
refers to the Cani deity associated with child
sacrifice, which was in the Hebrew Bible, depicted
as a figure to whom people would pass their children
through fire. So it's kind of crazy, right? And
there are some theories out there that child
sacrifices do in fact happen at these events.
I think that's even what Alex Jones was trying
to prove at that time, right? Like he was trying
to investigate that before. I think he eventually
got arrested, right? When he trespassed, but
the whole thing just to found I went into a deep
dive on Moloch. I didn't think Moloch was depicted
as an owl back in ancient times. It's interesting
the progression of how Moloch was depicted back
in Babylonian Mesopotamia. through the ages and
how modern occult movement redefined what that
was. The Bible, very consistent with this, any
practice involving child sacrifice is forbidden.
There's a lot of mentions of Moloch in the Bible
about the Hebrews taking on the other quote unquote
little G gods from other tribes in the area.
The penalty of if you did it was death. Places
like Tapeth in the Valley of Henan near Jerusalem,
some pretty significant archeological evidence
has been found of this practice. To kind of touch
on some Leviticus forbids giving your offspring
to Moloch. It's often translated as a ban on
child sacrifice or dedication. And Second Kings
2310 describes King Josiah desecrating Tofet
in the Valley of Heneman to stop people from
making children passed through the fires of Malik.
So he was one of the kings that tried to root
out idolatry in the nation when he took over.
To see this evolution of this figure is interesting
because it starts back in ancient Mesopotamia.
You can kind of trace it through Greece. You
can see its evolution into the modern occult.
So in the oldest Mesopotamian Babylonian sources,
the owl isn't usually a single god symbol in
the way that it becomes later in modern occult
imagery. Instead, it kind of shows up in three
main lanes. First, vocabulary lists, what an
owl is called, and I'm not going to butcher that
Mesopotamian word. It's pretty heavily represented
in Oman culture, which means once it appears,
it acts in a certain way and is typically a harbinger
of doom. It is often referenced in liminal and
underworld demonology. So one of the first plays
we see the owl symbolism is on the Queen of the
Night plaque. in Babylonia between 1800 and 1700
BCE. This shows a winged talon female figure
standing on lines flanked by two owls. That pairing
is one of the earliest iconic moments where owls
sit right next to a clearly supernatural liminal
figure, in my opinion, demon or fallen angel.
The object description is pretty explicit about
the owls and the fact that the figure is an underworld
type being. referring to Omen literature, it
treats owls as meaningful signals in the environment.
Essentially, if it's seen perched or nested on
top of a city gate or in a peephole, it's often
linked to something negative. Destruction, famine,
something that you don't want to have to deal
with. This is often referred to the lady in the
window. And this ties this female figure, often
under the name of Kilili, in other texts refers
to as Lilith. And we'll have to do another deep
dive on Lilith, but sometimes. that is seen as
a female demon or possibly the other female side
of Satan or Lucifer. When we see Babylon in the
Bible, there's theological symbolism where the
owl was put into the imagery of desolation and
the prophecies about Babylon's fall in Isaiah
13, 21. You get the runes will be inhabited by
eerie creatures, owls, satyrs. It's referencing
an abandoned city becoming a home for night animals
or winged beings. In the biblical versions, owls
are seen as a marker of judgment, unclean wilderness.
So fast forward a bit to Greece and Rome, they
take the symbolism of the owl and flip it to
wisdom and clear sight and darkness, which is
where you're going to start seeing this whole
modern day cult system take it. The owl becomes
strongly associated with Athena, which is interesting
because Lilith is typically seen. as a female
fallen angel demon. And then we were going to
go down the line to Athena, a Greek little G
god. Again, you're seeing, and we've talked about
this in several episodes in the past, these beings
seem to be worshipped by They're practitioners
under different names, but at the end it's still
the same being or entity. Again, we see Athena
and it actually appears in the Athenian coinage.
So this kind of pushes the symbolism toward wisdom,
strategy and watchfulness. This survives for
millennia in Western iconography. So this is
kind of where the modern occult gets the owl
secret knowledge vibe, not really from Babylon
or the Bible where it sort of has a negative
connotation to it. You see this female with talons.
writing on the line kind of stuck between two
ows, which you can see on these plaques. It kind
of transforms in the modern recall where an owl
equals secret knowledge. So it's interesting
that they're burning an effigy to an owl, which
if you kind of trace this all back, it goes back
to female deity that has owl -like features that's
situated between two owls. And instead of giving
it what it really is, a fallen angel or a demon,
it's become something wisdom or hidden knowledge.
So it's interesting to see how this kind of gets
all wrapped up down the line over the past two,
3 ,000 years. As you said, it's really interesting
to see the interconnectedness of it. A lot of
people think, well, the Bible's been passed down
many times, but many times you don't see this
demonology being passed down from generation
to generation and surviving within this world,
even though Christ himself warns us about it,
to cast out the demons, to protect your hearts
and your minds against these demons. But to me,
you're seeing this. pass down time over time
over time again. Now when they Get around this
statue. It's quite interesting. I've seen grainy
video of it before where they all have torches.
They're sitting in stadium type seating. They're
doing some type of chant, but you can't really
understand what it is. The ceremony for them
is called the cremation of care when they're
burning this out. Now the theory goes, there's
no hard evidence to prove it is that there's
a child inside of this effigy when they burn
it. So they're doing a child sacrifice when the
statue is set on fire and ultimately they're
demise, right? of it. And it's a way of worship,
much like the Canaanites did back in the day
in biblical times, which is pretty creepy, to
say the very least. And to say the most is very,
very sad for whatever child could or maybe sacrificed
during this event. But there's a lot of, there's
a lot of history around there. Say what you will
about like the atomic bomb, right? But a lot
of the atomic bomb planning and ultimately going
into production and almost being dropped immediately
upon Japan after that time came out of the Bohemian
Grove. And that took countless lives in Japan,
rightfully or not. And depending on, I guess
what aisle you sat on, it led to a lot of death.
And now there's also a lot of interesting ex
presidents that have been a member of this as
well. You start to wonder like who's in the background,
pulling the strings, plotting the history. Obviously
there's been a lot of talk lately about the Epstein
files who have been released and countless documents
indicating very important and powerful people.
And many of those involved in very demonic like
activity, right? Which is concerning. But I almost
think it points to. Bohemian Grove as well. Regardless
if there's a child inside that statue or not,
I don't know. There's no actual real evidence
out there. It's a strong conspiracy theory. Alex
Jones believed it very much himself and that's
what he was trying to prove when he broke into
that facility. At minimum, that's some type of
worship, right? Like I remember going to church
back in the day and they were trying to give
you an example of what worship should look like.
And then what worship should look like is when
you go to a concert and everybody's cheering
at the artist that's on stage and, and crying
and weeping at them. And people say that's obviously
the church is not supporting that. They're just
showing what a picture of what true worship looks
like. And the kind of true, right? If I saw Jesus,
I would be weeping and I would be cheering, right?
Like we'd be very excited. it for Jesus a second
coming and that's what you see here or else what
the hell is it because I can't imagine sitting
with my brother and a few of my friends and just,
I know I'm going to set a statue on fire and
then we'll go about our two weeks men only exclusive
vacation in the woods. I don't know. Have you
heard some of the other roles around this event?
Like women are completely excluded. And one of
the things that I think it was Eisenhower in
history says one of the faggiest things he's
ever been to Nixon. Yeah. And I think it's because
there's only men that are allowed there. Women
are prevented. I think there was one honorary
woman ever that's belonged to this club. But
even to this day, it's pretty much exclusively
a man's place, I guess, in there. So go back
to your last point. So it's an idol, right? It's
an engraven image of an owl. And they're mock
sacrifice or not. You're still going through
the motions of giving something to this carbon
image. So, I mean, it's essentially idol worship,
right? The more and more we do this podcast,
the more and more we see that society is heavily
influenced. by modern occult from music, from
our TV shows. You can see the symbology everywhere.
I think the Super Bowl halftime show is a big
one where there's a lot of occult imagery being
presented. You see a lot of celebrities do this
whole triangle thing over their eyes, suggesting
that they're in the Illuminati. That's an episode
of itself. But I do think that these kind of
getaways, you know, it's funny because you look
at Epstein Island, Little St. James Island, I
mean, that's a, that's a. kind of a private fraternity,
right? I mean, it was, in my opinion, I think
it was part money laundering, part honey potting,
part blackmail. You invite these rich people,
they can get together, make business deals. A
lot of it revolved around these underage girls
and women, but a lot of it actually had to do
with transferring funds back and forth between
the mega wealthy major corporations and siphoning
it off. And I think that's how... Epstein got
a lot of his money. But again, we're going back
to secret society where you're seeing these occult
rituals. There they have the owl at Epstein Island.
They had all kinds of occult stuff. You know,
you've seen the big cubed building where they
did all these horrible things to these women.
There's rumors of... murder there, just like
there's been rumors of murders and prostitution
and pedophilia up here at the Bohemian Grove.
I mean, how true it is, I don't think we'll ever
know if it is or isn't, but there have been people
come out to say that it did in fact happen. But
yeah, man, they have some really weird stuff.
So like you said, they exclude women, right?
So it's not to say you can't bring women in.
It's just once night falls, women can't participate.
in anything at night. So the majority of the
people at night are strictly men. They can bring
their families, but I assume there's a separate
area for women and children. They don't participate,
right? And I'm assuming if you're doing some
weird crap, you're not bringing your wife and
kids, so... Yeah, what's kind of interesting,
right, is one of their slogans is, weaving spiders
come not here. Officially, it's a Shakespeare
line used as a club motto, right? And many conspiracists,
they kind of flip it. It's kind of like what
they call a wording phrase, an instruction to
keep outside spiders away or this magical injunction
to suspend ordinary roles. And that motto's very
existent. becomes kind of suspicious. It's like
a sign above a casino reading, no gambling here,
right? Believers often treat this as a linguistic
tell, kind of like a wink that acknowledges scheming,
even while denying it. They're talking about
these hidden things that are going on behind
the scenes. I've seen a few YouTubers that have
gone to this, where this town is located, where
the Bohemian Grove is very close to it. And they
try to interview people within this town to find
out what's going on. And nobody will speak to
it. They're all terrified to even mention that
it hardly exists. And if they had mentioned that
it exists, then that's it. They're afraid to
say anything else at all. And that kind of like
hushed tones that you see in real life through
the work that these YouTubers are doing is pretty
interesting. It's a very interesting tell. Well,
because why would people be terrified to talk
about the existence of some more unusual people
coming into the town? And it makes me think of
that phrase, even though it's been stolen from
Shakespeare, but the weaving spiders, right?
Is it ingested itself into that community? And
is there threats or something that is keeping
them hot? Like we said, there's been presidential
involvement. Ronald Reagan, he was listed on
the Al's Nest camp. So just to kind of put this
in perspective, there's a bunch of different
camps around this 2700 acre property. One's called
Al's Nest, which apparently Reagan was a part
of. There's one called the Hillbillies camp.
That was according to documents, the Bush family
camp. You know, you talked about Richard Nixon
and his famous quote. Bill Clinton attended.
And he kind of publicly, this is kind of ironic,
but he joked publicly that the Bohemian club
is where all those rich Republicans go up and
stand naked against the Redwoods. Which is funny
because he's mentioned in Epstein files now.
At one point they got sued because they weren't
quote unquote inclusive of women. In one of the
documents, I guess in one of the filings, one
of the responses, they said that men openly urinate
in public all over the place. I get the impression,
reading between the lines between Clinton's joke
and And I think when someone says men urinate
openly in public, you kind of draw the inference
that these guys are walking around nude, which
kind of sounds a little bit gay to me. So it's
a bit bizarre. Other people, Supreme Court Justice
Clarence Thomas was photographed in the Grove
in 1997, 2003, and 2005, despite denying it.
when they were photographed. Yeah, I hope so
too. Maybe had like a fig leaf or something or
covered it up. It's kind of weird. So some people
talk about this, right? That there's. Because
of the absence of women, I'm not really sure
where they get some of these theories, but there's
a lot of homosexual activity that occurs at this.
Some people even talk about pedophilia, and some
people just talk about boatloads of prostitution
that occur within these woods. One of the theories
is, which is interesting to think about, is it
almost like a honey pot, meaning that these wealthy
men come down here and they're able to sleep
with other women, and then they do it and they're
photographed or videoed. And now they're used
as ransom, right? You do our bidding or else
we're going to release these tapes on you. Or
you end up on the Epstein list or whatever the
case may be, right? But some people think it's
almost like a honeypot to trick wealthy people
to come in and put them in compromising situations,
photograph them, and then essentially have power
over them and their roles in the government and
their roles in Hollywood or wherever to exert
that control. And some people must say, is the
true government run out of Bohemian Grove? because
so many powerful people have come there and they're
able to almost take control over them. Yeah,
I mean, it just seems like the more and more
we learn, not just you and I, but everyone in
America, it seems like the whole blackmail thing
is a very real issue. I mean, I think that's
what a huge part of the Epstein thing was, blackmail,
right? You have sex with underage girls, we have
the videos, and now we use this as leverage if
you don't do what we want to do, pass laws, vote
the way we want you to vote. Well, this is going
to come out. It almost seems like this one's
kind of in that same category. You know, I've
heard stories of the Chinese donut too. A lot
of Americans, especially maybe some of the newer
and wiser CEOs, politicians, what have you. They
won't go to China anymore because even if you
go to China and they offer you a girl, they'll
eventually try to find a way to drug you, put
you in a room with a girl. Maybe she's dead,
maybe she's not, but then imply that you either
murdered this person or you had sex with her
and we had the video. So now you're kind of,
even if you didn't do anything wrong, it's still
evidence that you did something. And how are
you going to prove your way out of that? Right?
So these, these blackmail operations are seemingly
everywhere and it's a, it's a pretty, it's a
pretty, pretty crazy thing. But you know, so
I kind of want to get to some of the, we were
talking about. sex trafficking. So there have
been claims of prostitution networks. A lot of
local and former employees claim male and female
prostitutes are piped in through tunnels underneath
the grove. And there's hidden cameras all over
the forest, tons of drugs, even claims of kilos
of cocaine to kind of help facilitate these orgies.
A quote from a hidden camera interview. They
bring in kilos of coke, prostitutes being piped
in and out. orgies with the members. So I can't,
I couldn't find the source of that quotes just
in fairness and full transparency, but that has
been at least put into the narrative. There's
also child trafficking allegations, claims that
children are smuggled for abuse and rituals.
Hopefully not the cremation of care ritual. That'd
be terrible. Just a lot of crazy stuff. You know,
I think the craziest one. And, you know, I often
wonder about this guy because, again, I don't
know. You ever hear of the boxer Ryan Garcia?
I've heard of him, but I don't know how he relates
to this. Yeah, so he's kind of all over social
media. He's a, I think, I don't know what weight
class, but he's on the smaller side of boxing.
But he's been all over TikTok, Instagram. He's
stolen all kinds of crazy stuff. He almost seems,
it seems like he's not really on his rocker.
I'm trying to be objective here. But he claims
he was kidnapped, brought to the... Bohemian
Grove held down and forced to watch kids get
by the members. My radar is kind of going off
on that a bit. I don't know if that's true. I
hope it's not or looking for attention or just
trying to be grandiose or hyperbolic to kind
of get some attention. But he seems to be pretty
convinced that he saw that. But, you know, I
think a lot of this stuff too, we can kind of...
tie back to like the MK Ultra thing where your
personality kind of splits and you don't know
up from down to certain points. But there's been
a lot of sex trafficking allegations from prostitution
networks, child trafficking, and the one that
I think is 100 % true is the blackmail element.
Because it is pretty well known that hidden cameras
all over the place recording these guys. Very
similar to Epstein. It's interesting because
a lot of people say that's kind of like the Grove
is a psyopsic almost planning table where psychological
operations are developed and then acted upon.
Whether it be like media framing, public fear
cycles, cultural war scripts, or just kind of
the combined influence of politics and intelligent
adjacent figures. What's kind of the interesting
thing is we've done a lot of research on this.
It's hard to find hard facts, right? Like they've
covered their trail really, really good. So there's
a lot of interesting concepts to talk through
it. I was digging through stuff and it's sometimes
it's easy to find the members names, like after
they've no longer in office, but I'm not finding
a whole lot to the cover trail or what they're
deleting offline or keeping their lips sealed.
It's, it's, it's tough, man. It is tough. There's
been witness testimony, witness. I use that.
It's not like they're. in a court, people claiming
to have seen child sacrifices, particularly the
effigy of the child for the cremation of care,
aka Moloch. The claim is that it's not an effigy,
it's a child, like a living, breathing child.
They claim that 25 kids have been killed and
buried in the forest. There's a witness account.
The woman's name is Pamela Score. And in a 2009
letter, she alleged she was forced into child
sacrifices, forced to participate in satanic
rituals and forced to sacrifice other children.
She said she saw black magic boots and many other
possible sacrifice setups. I think it's, the
claim is that there's significant security. There's
year round guards. One claim is that if you intrude,
you'll be shot on sites. Apparently the secret
services there, FBI, SWAT, and a lot of videos
that have been uploaded to YouTube have been
taken down by the club's request. But again,
like you said, no confirmed murders, but I think
there's been... some, some missing people tied
to the club because local police dogs tracked
their scent into the club and never found them.
Yeah. I've never really seen it, but money breeds
power. So, and it buys opportunity. And obviously
everybody that goes to this facility are ultra
wealthy. They're mega wealthy. They're multimillionaires,
if not billionaires. by opportunity to prevent
things from occurring. I've seen it on just on
TV with the church of Scientology, which I strongly
believe is another cult like place that occurs
and people fall into it. And even on that cult,
I saw LAPD members singing on stage at the search
of Scientology as they're providing protection
for it. That's clearly ingrained into their culture
and they're not going to go against that fake
church or that cult. So this is kind of very
similar. have very powerful people that can buy
the influence to prevent things from being uncovered.
When I think about child sex trafficking rings
or missing kids, it can't be from that area.
It must be coming from a global influence or
some type of global supply chain that they have,
or you would have posters everywhere. And eventually
there'd be so much pressure mounting on this
club where these sacrifices are occurring that
it would be uncovered. Yeah. I mean, it's a,
it's a very confusing story. I mean, people have
been. blown the whistle on Epstein for, what,
decades? I mean, through my research, I can't
find anyone blowing the whistle on the Bohemian
Grove. Which makes me think that, we'll recap
what we think it is later, but you just don't
hear about it. I mean, Epstein had presidents,
he had world leaders, princes, multi -billionaires.
I mean, you name it, the lists keep coming out.
Yeah, there's been claims of murder, but nothing
substantiated. I'm sure if you dug around the
property, you probably figured that out pretty
quick. I mean, I know they have LIDAR now. You
can scan the ground. I mean, the island's not
enormous. I just don't see, I mean, people may
disagree with me, but you just don't see a lot
of whistleblowers other than locals. And then
like, you know, I always get into this thing
where sometimes people want to be part of a narrative.
They kind of want to interject themselves. I
mean, you've played the game of telephone, bro.
Like, you know, I whisper something in your ear,
and you whisper it down the line, 10 people down.
You know, it might be something like, I had a
Coke, and next thing you know, I stole 15 kilos
of cocaine and sold it. You know, it doesn't
even make any sense. So, I mean, I think a lot
of this is people trying to get in the spotlight.
I think a lot of it is people probably trying
to get money and get paid. But like you said,
I don't see a lot of... I mean, if that... Yeah,
there's weird rituals that go on. There's a lot
of weird rituals just in general all over the
world. Child sacrifice? I mean, maybe it happened.
I mean, the club's been around for 150 years.
Maybe back in the early 1900s when you didn't
have communication speed of light, you didn't
have the internet, you didn't have cameras, you
didn't have video. But I feel like as you move
more toward our timeframe, that kind of stuff
is harder and harder and harder to get away with
if it does happen. Yeah, it's interesting because
it is a huge operation. One of the only legal
cases I could ever find against Bohemian Grow
was in June of 2023, a group of former workers
sued them, alleging wage theft and unfair labor
practices. That was their own equate. They weren't
blowing the whistle. They were just saying that,
you know, this group's not paying us and they're
doing wrong by us essentially. It's a common
kind of employer issue. Then the other one was
what you touched on was the California part.
of Fair Employment and Housing when a woman wanted
to be a member of that group and they wouldn't
let her because she was a female and not a male.
Now there are all male societies out there and
they're not all necessarily bad. I'm a man, but
there may be all women's societies out there
as well, and they may not be all as bad. My red
flags go up when we start mentioning Moloch and
now, and that gets kind of weird for me, right?
But to find hard facts on this particular one
is very difficult. Now I watched a YouTube show
from Tyler Olivera that he broke into Bohemian
Grove. And as they show it, as many other folks
have shown in the past, it's really kind of out
in the middle of nowhere and they infiltrate
this camp. by hiking through the woods, they
get to the top of it and it takes about an hour.
They do it at midnight, but they get, I mean,
they're going there when nobody's there, obviously,
just security and whoever probably runs the operation.
But you know, they go there, they get on property
pretty easily. In his case, the front gate was
left open. They just essentially walked right
in and they made it to the effigy. So you could
see actually a video of him at the stadium seating
in front of this effigy. He eventually, the guards
catch him and he takes off running and the guy
points a gun at him and the YouTuber's like,
please don't kill me. And the guy's just like,
get out of here. So like, you know, kind of crazy
to watch it on video, but ultimately nothing
serious happened. And they talk about very sophisticated
security, but if that can get on the grounds,
then I've seen other YouTubers that are even
bigger idiots get on the grounds. It's hard to
say actually how tight that security is when
there's nobody there. Now I'm sure when there's
very famous people there, there's security. up
to wazoo and you're never gonna actually make
it on there. But yeah, I think that's my thing.
I think. When we talk about psyopsics, do I think
bad things are happening there? Absolutely. I
just think that honeypot's too good, man. I think
whatever people are participating in there, they
don't want to indicate themselves and they're
going to have to indicate themselves in order
to get it out in public's view. Whether it's
weird stuff or they're a straight male with a
family and his homosexual activity, whatever
the case may be, they don't, they're not going
to bring it up because they don't want their
video exposed to the public. And cause that'd
probably be the first thing. Well, it's only
this guy and he's the weirdo. Here's his video.
I agree with you. The interesting thing is that
you have to quote unquote apply for membership
for the Bohemian Grove and they actually have
a website and like you can submit your application.
Apparently the wait list to get into the club
is 33 years long. And you have to be referenced
by somebody, a club member. I guess club member
has to vouch for you. And I guess there's other
stages to go through, quote unquote, interviews
to see if people want you in there or not. But
33 years, right? And, you know, when this two
to three week festival happens, I think there's
anywhere between, depending on the year, anywhere
between 827 people show up for that two to three
week period. And the fee, the initiation fee,
or at least the application fee to get in is
$25 ,000. You know, for a lot of billionaires,
it's like you or me throwing like a dollar or
two on the table to get in, right? And I think
there's yearly dues. What those are, I don't
know. But it seems like a pretty low barrier
of entry, at least financially. But it's a fairly
high barrier in terms of the 33 -year wait. You
have to have somebody vouch for you. And I'm
sure not everybody that goes there is a member.
I'm sure people are invited, maybe not for the
whole two, three weeks, but maybe they come in.
Because I know they have a lot of country music
performances. They bring in a lot of bands, artists.
The funny thing about it is that there's apparently
a lot of cross -dressing that goes on in there.
And the claim is the cross -dressing is because...
when they're doing these theatrical plays, you
know, obviously at night, no women are allowed.
So dudes have to dress up to play the part. But,
you know, when you look at it on the surface,
they have a pretty strong moral code. You have
to be a gentleman. You can't complain at the
staff. If you have a problem with a staff member,
you have to address it with management, not with
the person itself. They're really big on the
whole honor, secrecy, being polite, kind of gentlemanly
aspect of it. What's interesting is they have
tiers to their memberships, right? So you can
become a member. And I guess you said it takes
33 or 34 years to become that member in order
to get into this. And they say those people can
bring gas to what they call spring jinx in June
or the main July encampment. But then it takes
40 years to gain true membership into the club.
Now, like you're talking about just 70 plus year
old men at that point, depending on when they
applied. And they called them the old guard status.
And they're the ones that have reserved seating
at the Grove's daily talks. And they have what
they call other privileges within that organization.
So they have tiers and I guess you have to work
your way up from a guest, a member to... old
guard before you can make any valuable decisions
within that, that matrix that they've set up.
But it's weird how there's got to be an exceptions
process that, that 30 plus years that you wait
to become a member is probably way different
for somebody. I'm just throwing a name out there
like Elon Musk that has one of the richest men
in the world versus like, you know. Sam Dutton,
who makes $50 ,000 a year. Yeah, but I wonder
like, so like it's so secretive, like something
like Elon Musk, he blabs all over X and all over
the internet. I'm sure he's part of secret societies.
They'll get me wrong. But I wonder if they're
picky. I mean, like if you're a member, you can
invite people so people can come in and experience
it. But I wonder if they're choosy because of
they just want people to be quiet about what
happens. behind the gates. You know, it is interesting.
I often wonder, because there's so many secret
societies, like you have the Illuminati, which
apparently disbanded hundreds of years ago, but
still claim that they exist, but just in different
facet form. That's an interesting one, but we
won't talk about it now. It happened like in
the 1700s, the Catholic Church banned it. They
imprisoned some of them. told others to leave
Bavaria, has kind of said that you can't be a
part of this group. And they have, obviously,
the Freemasons, which is a huge one. There's
Freemason lodges all over the country. I think
99 .9 % of the people that go there are just
dudes wanting to get drunk. hang out with their
friends. But I think as you get to the topic,
it becomes a little bit more esoteric and a little
bit more cultish. But I wonder how many of these
kind of filter up to the Bohemian Grove. Like
I wonder what, on what tier this is. This is
like the ultimate level of secret society. Like
you have the skull and bones, the bushes were
big into that, John Kerry at Yale. And they all,
I wonder if they all just kind of filter together.
Like it's like. It's like in the NFL, like you
might play for the Seahawks. So this guy might
play for the Falcons, right? You're all in the
same league. You're just some different teams
that all kind of compete in a friendly manner,
but you're all underneath the same big giant
harvest umbrella. And it's all interrelated.
If I think about it from a corporate or a business
sense, when we talk about the tech figures, they're
all in the same room a couple of times a year,
discussing strategy, whether at the presidential
level or just internally. I know my company,
we meet with our competitors at least once a
year, sometimes more than that, just to set down
a time. We're not the head of the company, we're
just at a very specific investigations risk management
branch, but we get with our competitors every
year and have conversations. Then we see them
in conferences and stuff. the same circles, you
ultimately spend time together and you get to
know each other and you start to, you hear how
successful their AI program is. So you want to
build one because they made a hundred billion
dollars, right? So you start to see that influence
kind of rub off on each other. Yeah. I was just
looking though at the structure of these camps
and it's, it's kind of interesting just kind
of looking at the camp names. So they have many.
So here are the camp names. Hillbillies, Mandalay.
Caveman, Stowaway, Uplifters, Owl's Nest, Hideaway,
Isle of Aves, Los Angeles, Silverado Squatters,
a word I can't even say, Simpavirans, Hillside,
and Idolwood. And then they have their main facilities,
which is the Grove Stage, which is an amphitheater
that seats about 2 ,000 people, which is primarily
used for the sacrificial... Mumbo jump, whatever's
going on out there. And what they call Grove
play. They have the field circle bowl shaped
amphitheater used for musical performances and
seasonal events. They have the campfire circle,
the museum stage, the dining circle, clubhouse,
and then the owl shrine and lake. And that's
where the owl is where they burn it right out,
right outside of the amphitheater. And a lot
of people talk about the mysticism because they
walk across the lake to burn this owl and do
all this weird stuff. But We're talking a huge
place. It's absolutely huge. I mean, they have
camp valets and head valets and cleaning people
and service people. And we're talking like a
major resort type of situation out there with
the number of camps and buildings and grounds
and maintenance. Obviously it has to be huge
and maintenance just to cut the grass and keep
the weeds down. And none of these people talk
about anything weird. I guess that's what I find
weird. I mean, they're. their oath of silence
is very strong because you have people that likely
have no care in the, I'd just go out to the Bohemian
Grove to cut their grass. You think that person
would be like, I've seen some weird shit, but
maybe they hide it all in this folks. Well, I
mean, some of them claim it's just not, nothing
has been substantiated. I don't know. I just
think it's hard to get 2 ,700 people together
and some crazy like. child sacrifice happens
and you don't go out and be like, yo, especially
if you're rich and super powerful, you have back
channels to let this information be put out.
I mean, maybe I'm giving the government too much
credit. I don't know. I just think that, and
let's say hypothetically, just indulge me here.
Let's say that that effigy, the cremation of
care is actually a baby. I would think most of
the people there think it's just a mock sacrifice,
right? They don't think it's an actual human.
They think it's just something in the Like some
doll wrapped up in a towel and this is being
burned. And to them, it's just some weird Hinduistic
type party that they can go to and make business
connections. Well, there's some folks that say
that most people don't know at all, right? Like
they think they just see an effigy building because
it's this massive thing. And supposedly they
put the child inside of the effigy and only what
they consider the old guard actually know what's
occurring during this ceremony. 2000 or 1800
or whatever the case may be, people just think
it's a burning statue versus a child. And, you
know, if the kid were to scream or whatever,
if this thing ain't soundproof, like they're
all busy chanting or saying whatever chant that
they're saying, they hear probably anything.
Well, I think they actually project according
to them, they have speakers that project a screaming
voice. Oh, really? Yeah. So, uh, so I mean, I
don't really think you would know if you're just
there. visiting them. Again, you know, I think
sometimes these really big clubs, groups, organizations,
like most people that go to them, assuming something
in the fairies is happening, you don't really
know about it. You just think it's some sort
of production. I mean, you look around it, I
mean, originally kind of started off as a place
for singers, actors. They were like a big part
of it. And for most people going there, they
probably just think it's... some form of theater,
just entertainment. I mean, I would feel very
uncomfortable. Even if I knew it was like a fake
baby, I'm like, I'm not going to be in space.
This is like a mock sacrifice to carve an image
that's against my religion. I'm not going to
be here. I like a bonfire as good as the next
band, but if you start making in the shapes of
stuff, I'm out. Yeah, I'm out too, dude. And
if I see a bunch of old naked dudes walk around,
I'm out too. Totally out. I came to the gym sauna,
I'm too like, no, I'm good. Oh yeah, I'm out
of here, man. This is not my cup of tea, brother.
I think getting into what I think, right, is...
I think there's a lot of stupid people out there.
And like you said, right, like they're there
stare for the entertainment value or being very
exclusive, right? Some people just get off on,
I'm the one of a dozen people that can go and
attend this thing. And I feel special because
I get to attend it. And there's some very dark
people behind the scenes that are kind of pulling
all the strings. They're kind of pushing forward
their mission and they're gaining influence over
these folks. And I don't know. I always just
think when we think of the, the new world order,
that's kind of getting ushered in as we, we march
closer to the end of times. I think sometimes
I'm most wondering if like, is it already there?
Are these people in the background already pulling
the strings and they're in the same rooms in
different regions of the world and making these
horrible decisions that are ultimately the destruction?
I think, yeah, I think. I think when we talk
about Revelation's time, the people that accept
the mark of the beast and willingly give up their
soul, most of them aren't just going to do it
because they're stupid, right? They haven't taken
the time to read the Bible. They chose not to
believe in anything and they don't think it's
real, so whatever, pit the chip in me or whatever
the case may be, while all these really dark
people are manipulating the situation. And I
think ultimately that's probably what it is there.
You know, I can't say for certain because the
evidence is not hard in this particular case,
but. If you start having effigies and stuff,
I think there's something very dark going on
in the background. But I think it's probably
isolated to a small group of people and everybody
else is just kind of dumb sheep that are jumping
in line and be hoping for that branding of being
exclusive or being the chosen one or being popular
or having something that somebody else doesn't.
So they get into weird stuff and then perhaps
they get blackmailed down the road. Yeah, I mean,
I think worst case scenario in this situation,
and some of our listeners might get mad at me
for saying this, but just hear me out. This is
just how Jay's brain thinks. So I think worst
case, do I think they bring prostitutes in there?
Yes. Male and female. Do I think that with 2
,700 dudes there, there's a couple hundred gay
dudes that have sex with each other? Yes. I do.
And I think that's kind of where the blackmail
comes into play. So like, let's say you're a
straight guy and you want to prostitute, right?
You're going to be videotaped. If you're a gay
guy and you meet another gay guy and you have
a male orgy, are you being videotaped? Yes. I
would say probably 95 % of the people in there
don't do anything other than maybe walk around
naked and pee in the woods and drink heavily
and act like idiots, act like they're 15 again,
16, what have you, whatever, just a stupid college
kid and kind of let loose. I think that's what
most of it is. I think a lot of people unknowingly
involve themselves in occult rituals without
being, like you said, I'm going to use the word
stupid, but probably more ignorant than anything.
Or just write it off ethically or morally as,
I'm just watching a play, like no big deal, whatever.
There's a bunch of dudes around here. I'm just
going to sit back and just watch. I think the
message of what they're sending is terrible.
I mean, it's projected as mullic. mock child
sacrifice. I mean, I wouldn't be comfortable
watching that or participating in it. But I also
do think a lot of people at the very top or I
think are very heavily into their call. They
know exactly what they're doing. And sometimes
unwilling participants kind of get drugged along
and kind of get spiritually wounded in the process.
I don't do, I really don't think they're killing
babies there. That's just me. I'm not saying
it hasn't happened, especially a hundred years
ago at some weird point or, and if it does happen,
just hear me out. I don't think it happens during
that two or three weeks, right? That stuff's
happening when you have 10 guys and the party's
over and you're going there in the middle of
December and you know, no one's around. And then
you're doing all that weird crap if it happens.
You're not doing it while there's 2 ,700 people
there, plus there's security, plus all the workers
there. Like you're just, you're not gonna, I
mean, let's just think about it logically. Let's
think about it trying to mitigate your risk.
Why would you put yourself in that situation?
Why would you risk that? Why would you risk somebody
seeing that and then going out and telling everybody?
And for me, and like, again, I mean, the counter
-narrative is, well, they get rid of all the
witnesses or they... Threaten all the witnesses.
Eventually somebody talks. This has been going
on for 150 years. You know, thousands of people
a year. No one's talked, even on their deathbed.
Like it's just, it's a hard sell for me. I think
it's a place for people to get messed up, probably
do drugs, have sex with prostitutes. Like their
wives and kids aren't there. I mean, it would
be hard. I mean, this is just not how I, how
my brain works. But I know a lot of people who,
if they got invited, especially if they were
high up in the company, they'd jump all over
that, right? I can meet this rich guy. I can
meet this politician. Why wouldn't I? I mean,
I don't want to make those contacts. I don't
want to make those relationships. But most people
would. So most people would go just to get that
exposure, to get those numbers, to get that email,
to make sales, to maybe get a new job or to get
into politics. Uh, it's a, it's, it's, I mean,
a form of lust, right? Greed, you know, appealing
to your ego. Like you said, everyone wants to
feel special and chosen in a lead on some level.
And for a lot of, I mean, particularly businessmen,
I mean, I'm sure that would be the biggest stroke
to their ego. Like all the number of Bohemian
Grove. Oh, I got invited to be, I met president
so -and -so or whatever. Yeah, it's a sad state
of affairs. Most people will do anything to get
into that chosen status or to get that influence
or whatever, right, to gain that competitive
advantage. And some people, why am I not chosen?
Well, Everybody actually is, right? And that's
what's great about Jesus Christ in my mind is
he's got to repent of your sins and follow his
ways. You're chosen, man. You got a spot for
you in the most exclusive club that you're ever
going to know or ever going to want to be a part
of. So that's what I kind of follow towards.
And that's why I've never been into, you know,
they have all these like, I don't even call them
secret societies, but just societies in general,
like the Elks club and like all these other clubs
that you see around town. It just hasn't been
for me, right? Like it's just, whether I'm eligible
or not, I don't know, but it just has. hasn't
been for me and I don't need that exclusivity
tag. I want to be part of the kingdom of God.
I want to be with my family. Those are green
brothers. Those are my tags. That's really all
I care about and providing for my family. But
I think when you want something so much and you
turn that into lust and desire, bad things are
waiting on the other end of it. I think that's
what Bohemian Grove is. People are chasing after
a fallacy, a dream, something that's never going
to be attained. And there is darkness waiting
on that. other side and, you know, what are they
doing? Nobody's ever talked about it. But, you
know, I think it starts at the gate. It starts
with the effigy. It starts with Moloch that traces
back several thousand years to the canines, to
effigy worship, to child murder. Why put your
card in that hat? And whether it's good, bad
or indifferent, why put your card in that hat?
It's not going to work for you. So I say, you
know, stay away from it. It's not worth your
time, money, effort or energy and put it into
something more important. Yeah, I mean, you know,
I'm not even comfortable taking those anywhere.
I tried the whole fraternity thing in college
and it wasn't for me. It just seemed too, it
just seemed too fake. It was just ego stroking
and trying to get status and, you know, people
wanting you to do stupid crap. I'm like, I'm
not participating, this is retarded. And like,
I don't, I don't need to appeal to my ego like
that. I don't want to take an oath to a society
or a group other than. my Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ or to my family, right? Obviously, I love
my country. I think that's a little different
because if you have to fight for your country
and if you want to go up the chain, you're fighting
for your way of life, you're fighting for your
family, you're trying to fight for what you think
is good. But anything outside of that... to take
an O2 or participate in those kind of occult
rituals, it seems like you're kind of giving
the part of your soul or yourself away to it
for something that's, like you said, just not
very rooted in anything good other than greed,
ego, lust, want. But yeah, I mean, I don't know.
This is, I mean, this one's, I think this one's.
On the surface looks very, very appealing as
a conspiracy, but again, man, just a lack of
evidence, lack of anything hard, anything that
is definitive. It's just tough to... to draw
some of these hyperbolic grandiose conclusions
about some of the stuff that's going on. Dude,
you can get 2 ,000, 3 ,000 people together, right?
A small number is going to be involving prostitutes.
A small number is going to be having sex together.
A small number is going to be doing drugs and
weird crap, right? A small number is going to
be praying to the devil. You can't control it.
You can't control what people do when they're
not within your immediate scope. And that place
is 2 ,700 acres. I'm sure people have been raped
and killed there, but that's not the intention
of it, right? I think it's... It's weird on the
surface. Like you said, it's weird on the surface.
What I struggled with in my research is finding
the hard evidence in order to say this is true
or not. Obviously there's a lot of people that
believe it. Like we talked about Alex Jones,
other folks that, you know, fall into his realm.
They believe really bad things are happening
there. But again, there's no hard evidence. And
that's for me where I draw the line. Now, I think
we made up revisiting this topic again in 10
years when that leaker comes out and says something
bad, because I think it's almost disposition
that we're going to hear about this. again when
somebody finally does break their code of silence
and doesn't care that they're named in some weird
scam or whatever, or on their deathbed and they
give it a confession. So maybe we talk about
it again in a few more years and see what comes
of it. But right now, as it stands, I put it
in the highly suspicious because if you have
an effigy, man, I have not. I'm not your team.
Like I don't like that. So it's highly suspicious
for me, but I, in the same token, I put it in
the dud category because there's no hard evidence
yet. Yeah. It's weird, but unlikely, I guess
is what you're saying. Yes. You're practicing
some occult stuff. You're probably worshiping
the demon knowingly, at least a small percentage
of them. Weird, not cool, not good, but unlikely,
unlikely that some of the extreme claims are
happening. The extreme ones. Yeah. I think some
of the minor ones are right. Just cause that's
just the way I think if you got 3000 people together
in your neighborhood, you're going to have weird,
strange, not good stuff happen, right? It's just
a factor of that. There's a certain percentage
of humans that just want to do bad, weird, crappy
stuff. And you say you throw a neighborhood party,
someone gets beat up or sexually assaulted or
does driving that. You're not really responsible
for me. You're not responsible for that. You
can't control that many people. I mean, I guess
legally there's someone can make a claim that
you are, but in real, but in reality, you. can't
control what other people do. Yeah. It's like
a hotel, right? Like you go to a hotel and there's
a mega hotel where the thousand people stays
every night. Bad shit happens. Cops come out,
you know, I'm at the so many hotels in my career.
I couldn't tell you how many, um, cause bad shit
happens there, but wasn't the intent of the hotel.
Right. Um, but yeah, like I said, not a team
supporter of this because of their ideology,
but, uh, yeah, it's no hard facts out there.
What do you want to, what do you want to close
with tonight? Yeah, I just, you know, you just
see a lot of reflections of this modern day,
a call, which I think stems back to. Babylonia,
you can trace that back to Nimrod, you can trace
that back before the flood, and you just see
a lot of this kind of popping its head up in
modern culture. It's dressed up as something
harmless, it's dressed up as something maybe
entertaining, but it's still there. It's still
the underlying current of spiritual warfare.
Even if you're not, like, I mean, sometimes your
attention can be the sacrifice. Your willingness
to participate can be the sacrifice. Like you're
sacrificing segments of your soul and your ethics
and your morals. You're not giving that glory
to God. You're giving it to something else, thereby
putting that thing, that deity, or it doesn't
even have to be a deity. It can be your own self
-interest above what God wants. And, you know,
again, this is where we always talk about discernment
and wisdom. You need to make sure that you're
reading your Bible. And listen, like you said,
man, I think you put it best. The only club you
want to be a part of is the club of heaven, right?
You want to be on team Jesus. That's the only
person that's going to save you. You don't, you
don't need billions of dollars on this earth.
You don't need massive power to control everything
around you. You don't need, you don't need that
ego stroked all the time. You know, be humble,
man. Like love what you have, work hard and,
and Jesus loves you, man. You know, I love you.
Jesus loves you. We love you. The conspiracy
road can be a weird one, man. So I remember like
when I first started going down, this is just
a little kind of sidebar. Like, it can make you
kind of feel, if you get so deep into it, it
can become mentally and spiritually distressing,
right? It's almost kind of like the red pill,
blue pill thing in The Matrix. Like, do you want
to know or don't you want to know? Sometimes
you kind of like go down these rabbit holes,
which I think are false or exaggerated or very
hyperbolic. And you can start to think everything's
a freaking conspiracy. You can think everything's
evil. And sometimes, man, it's just a bunch of
stupid humans on a bunch of weird stuff. And
there's no real intent behind it. There's real
intent behind it, but you can't think everything's
a conspiracy. This one, I think it's a bunch
of old dudes getting together. letting their
wangs fly and peeing and drinking and making
business deals in the back end. Yeah, I don't
want that mental picture in my head. Nixon said
it best. No, I won't close with that. No, sometimes
it only takes a mark, right? Like when we talk
about them times and which way you're going to
follow, I just say, we talk about the sermon,
man, but just talk about energy. I don't know
how people have the energy for this shit. Like
I work full time. We have a podcast, right? I
have two little kids and a wife. How do people
have time for this shit? That's all I really
want to know is like, how do you have time to
join secret societies? I can even find time to
go on vacation. So if you have extra time, man,
use it wisely. Don't use it on this dumb shit.
It's not going to bless you. You can talk to
very rich people. And I've talked to very rich
people in this world. Does money make you happy?
Absolutely not. Most of them will tell you I
was happier when I was poor, right? Because with
tons of money comes tons of responsibility. And,
and usually that brings you down because it's
not for goodness. And especially if it's so serving.
So, you know, do I think it's good to be successful?
Yeah, work hard. I want to provide a good living
for my family, but I'm not out there to be a
trillionaire. I can tell you that much. Sometimes
it's about just being able to sit down and play
a game with your brother or hang out with your
son or whatever the case may be and put your
value into the relationships around you and mend
those and, you know, make those good. I just
want to say one more thing too. So we live in
a clickbait culture now, right? So you said you
watch a ton the YouTube videos about people going
to the Bohemian Grove, sneaking in. I've seen
a bunch of YouTube videos about guys driving
up on jet skis to Epstein's Island. You live
in a clickbait culture and then you'll scroll
through Instagram or TikTok or YouTube. People
are making, they want you to see the most outrageous
stuff and hear the most outrageous stuff so you
continue to watch their content, right? At a
certain point in time, it starts to become a
lie. And I'm not saying conspiracy is a lie.
There's a truth in all of it. But the truth,
I think, is pointing toward the end, right? The
end of time. What's coming? What's coming in
the Book of Revelation? What's going to happen
in the future? And do I think people are out
there doing it? Absolutely. But not everything
is as extreme as you think it is. Not everything
is as nefarious as you think it is. So I just
want people to be careful when you start to see
a lot of this click -baity type stuff and kind
of look at it for what it is. Do your research.
because oftentimes you'll find you're either
being outright lied to, or somebody is maybe
not making stuff up, but puffing it up a lot
bigger than it actually is. Which can, in the
long run, damage your mental health. Because
I've had to step back from this conspiracy stuff
at times. Like 20, 30 years ago when I first
started reading it, I'm like, there's no way
this is true, this is crazy, everything's crazy.
And I noticed when I stepped away from it, I
just felt better. My anxiety was down. You didn't
think everything was, you didn't think the sky
was falling. We've heard the sky was falling
for as long as we've been alive. It's still,
everything is still pretty intact. I mean, there's
a lot of stuff that needs to be fixed. There's
a lot of stuff that is never going to get fixed,
unfortunately. I mean, most people with the brain
know the basic construct of how society should
work. But you also have a big segment who wants
to, they want the chaos, they want division,
they want the confusion. And you have to be aware
of that because I think there's an active force,
AKA devil, AKA some powers that be that want
you divided, that want you at each other's throat.
We've never lived in a more divided society.
And the other thing, and the scariest part to
me, especially when it comes back to this click
-baity stuff. A lot of it is taking your eye
off the ball to what's really happening, right?
Is to draw your attention, like you said, your
energy to something that's probably not true.
And you're missing the big picture over here,
right? While you're being robbed from behind
because you're looking at the nice little shiny
conspiracy. The real conspiracy is the fact that
behind your back, the real stuff's going on.
Yeah, a lot of times it's a distraction. A lot
of people say with the Epstein files release,
it was distracting from other things that were
going on in the world at the time. I think it
can be true, but sometimes I think it's a controlled
release of the truth because they're doing something
over here and it's like, oh, people really want
to know about this. It's interesting. It's all
true. But to me, the biggest thing is like, so
there's six million documents. They released
three million. My first question, where's the
other three? I don't, I mean, yeah, these are
interesting and terrible, but I mean, you released
half. So what's in the other half? You know,
like people are so distracted by digging through
these, which people should, I mean, very, I think
people that are sophisticated. I mean, a 3 million
page data dump is too much for one person to
look at. Right. So talk about, I hate to use
the word distraction because I think it's important.
but a way to divert your attention from what,
like to me, it's like, okay, you released half.
You obviously probably didn't release the worst
half. What's in the other half? That's what I
want to know. It was actually, you know, they
said they only released half to protect victims,
right? That were involved in the crimes that
transpired, which could be the case. I mean,
there's, there's a power of called redaction,
right? Then many times in my career where you
have to redact documents before you disseminate
them. So you don't give out what we call PII
or personally, personally identifiable information.
Um, but did you see how they redacted some of
these documents? I've never seen a worse redaction
in my entire life. Like the, the black bars that
they put over to like block out people's name
was only like half on it. So that's you. People
could actually determine who the victims were.
They had to pull some of the files back because
the victims got identified. I'm like, I would
fire somebody at my level for redacting that
ability. Like you have some lawyer in a closet
somewhere doing these redactions a hundred percent.
That was intentional. That wasn't unintentional.
That was intentional. But it was awful funny
that the perpetrators aren't redacted. They're
not half redacted. So that's a form of targeting,
in my opinion. I agree. You're having the victims
targeted while protecting the identities of the
people who... Listen, a lot of those emails are
from email addresses which you could easily tie
back to a person, right? And he's talking with
the head honcho of that group. They know who
they are. They're not doing anything about it.
They're not doing anything about it. But you
want to expose the poor little girl who unfortunately
got sucked up in that. So what, people can go
after her and harass her? I mean, one of the
people that wrote a book killed herself. That's
a different experience. I don't see why she would
have done that. I almost think that was a problem
that they tied up. But it's awful funny. do this
poor redaction for the victim, but the real culprit,
he's protected, or he or she or whoever it is.
Whoever it is, yeah. It's weird, and I think
at the end of the day, right, like a lot of people
say, well, you're just talking about conspiracy
theories and it's doom and gloom. We're trying
to scale everybody. I would say I'm not a conspiracist,
right? Like I, there's a lot of conspiracies
that I just absolutely do not believe in. What
I believe in is that we live in a fallen world
and we have fallen people in control of this
world and they're going to manipulate you, right?
To me, I don't really call that a conspiracy.
I call that reality, right? And I'm not saying
that everything out there is a conspiracy or
fake or whatever, but you have things people
just don't want you to know what's going on.
Just like the Epstein's, you know, took forever
and they still haven't released many documents.
There's people behind the scenes pulling strings.
I mean, some of the - That's the conspiracy.
That is the conspiracy. That is the real conspiracy.
Why are you protecting them? Why aren't you releasing
the documents? And again, we've talked about,
we've brought up conspiracies. Hey, you want
to do this this week? Let me look at it and we'll
be like that's complete BS. Like why are you
gonna waste our time, right? And then like, you
know There are just some conspiracy theories
that that should they should just be science
fiction novels because not only so unbelievable
they're just they're kind of ridiculous and You
know people try to sell you this fantasy. I mean,
I think the perfect one is 21 and back I I think
I may have mentioned that it would be a fantastic
Chris Pratt movie Like some sort of like Star
Wars -y type thing. It would be amazing. Be an
amazing movie. But these guys are just saying
the most ridiculous, unbelievable crap, which
this doesn't line up with anything that I believe
can happen. Yeah. It's almost like, you know,
the Church of Scientology. There was a book and
then they churched it into a church. And even
the guy that wrote the book said it was all fake.
And now, you know, a million plus people, it's
a global organization church and people worship
it. And the guy's like, I made it all up. I mean,
he had links with Aleister Crowley, the famous
infamous Satanist. So that's just, you know,
that's distraction from what the true Christian
religion, this distraction to try to aside from
people of true religion, you know. It's another,
I mean, listen, the devil doesn't care if you
believe in him. He just cares if you believe
in Christ or not. That's all he cares about.
He doesn't need you to believe in him. No, most
Satanists you even hear from say they don't even
believe in Satan. They just call themselves that
because they're atheist. They just want to be
divisive, right? And, you know, the devil will
tell you his greatest trick is just make sure
that Jesus doesn't exist. He doesn't even care
about God. He just wants to make sure that Jesus
doesn't exist because that's your way to heaven.
Yeah, he just wants your soul at the end of the
day. He just doesn't want God to have it. That's
how he gets it. He doesn't care if you believe
him or not. He gives two craps. Hey, listen,
he hates you. Like he wants nothing good for
you. You don't believe in me? Good. I hate you.
I don't care. Like I won because you don't, because
you don't believe in Christ. That's all I care
about. I'm not going to mess with you because
whatever, like let the minion demons screw with
you and mess up your life. Like I don't need,
I don't need to screw with you. All right, man.
I think this was a good episode though. It's
sometimes fun talking about things, going into
this because there is so much... You know, media
attention on the Bohemian Grove and so many people
that strongly believe in this conspiracy theory,
as you mentioned them, Alex Jones, other YouTubers,
other people out there that that believer happens.
So it's an interesting topic for me to explore.
And guess what? Sometimes we debunk them and,
and sometimes we say, well, we don't agree with
it. I think that's one of these cases. Now I
think that effigy kind of, it kind of stirs me
the wrong way a little bit. So I wonder if we'll
be revisiting it in a couple of years, but for
now I say, you know, You know, this is a dud.
Nah, for now. All right, well I'll wrap it up
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