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seatbelts. Welcome back to Zero Signal. My name
is David. I'm sitting here, as always, with my
co -host, Jay. Before we start tonight, this
episode involves mass violence and loss of life.
So viewer discretion is advised. And just so
you know, we're not here to sensationalize this.
We're here to understand what happened, what
we know for sure, and why so many people still
argue about it. Exactly. So let's rewind to the
night of October 1st, 2017. More than 22 ,000
people were packed into the Route 91 Harvest
Festival, an outdoor show at the Las Vegas Village
across the Mandala Bay. It's a normal concert
night. until it isn't. And the reason is because
it becomes one of the darkest nights in modern
American history. The attack doesn't happen inside
the crowd. It actually comes from above it. At
around 10 05 p .m. gunfire starts from the 32nd
floor of the Mandala Bay. The FBI summary says
the shooting begins around the time and it continues
for roughly about 11 minutes with the gunmen
firing over 1000 rounds into the crowd. People
in the audience don't immediately process it
as gunfire. Some think it's fireworks. Some think
it's, you know, speakers popping. Some don't
understand anything at all until people start
falling on the ground and the sound doesn't stop.
And one of the most important grounding numbers
it tells you the scale is the ammunition count
investigators later tied to the attack reporting
based on the final las vegas metropolitan pd
investigation finding states the shooter unleashed
1049 rounds at the crowd below and the assault
lasted a total of 11 minutes 11 minutes man imagine
that getting rained on for 11 minutes that's
an eternity that's insanity and on the ground
those 11 minutes feel like a lifetime people
run fall crawl hide behind whatever they can
Some try to pull strangers to safety. Some are
hit and can't move. And there's another layer
to this story that becomes a big source of controversy
later. What's happening inside Mandala Bay while
the shooting is underway. A Mandala Bay security
officer, Jesus Campos, is sent up to investigate
alarms on the 32nd floor. He finds a stairwell
door that's been blocked with this L bracket
screwed into the door and frame. And he reports
it. Then he hears what he describes as a rapid
drilling sound coming from the shooter's room.
When he moves down the hallway, gunfire erupts
and he's hit in the leg. Investigators later
describe the hallway itself. They document extensive
bullet strikes, but they state that the strikes
were caused by approximately 35 rounds fired
down the Manila Bay hallway from inside the shooter's
room. It gets kind of crazy here. Inside the
hotel room timeline is one of the reasons people
started saying the story didn't really add up.
Exactly. And we'll get into that, but to stay
with the verified spine of the night for one
more minute. Outside the scene becomes pure chaos.
People flooding exits, climbing barriers, trying
to get out of a fenced in venue while rounds
keep coming down. And at the same time, first
responders are arriving into a situation where
the initial information is kind of fragmented
because the sound is echoing. Calls are coming
in from everywhere and early reports are pretty
messy. Now, here's where the official response
timeline shows at the tactical end. Later that
night, a strike team breaches the shooter's room.
The FEMA after action timeline records that time
as 1120 p .m. The team makes entry into room
32 -135 and reports the shooter is down from
an apparent self -afflicted gunshot wound. So
the shooting itself is about 11 minutes but the
fear and confusion lasts hours and the trauma
obviously is going to last years. Yeah so let's
talk numbers because people hear Las Vegas shooting
and they think they know it but most don't realize
how massive the casualty count was and how extensive
it was after the fact. You're exactly right.
So maybe we'll be precise here. That night and
in the immediate aftermath, 58 people were killed
and the FEMA after action report describes more
than 850 injured, including first responders.
And the injuries weren't all the same type. The
same FEMA report response describes more than
800 victims, including more than 400 gunshot
wound victims. A later breakdown attributed to
the final Las Vegas Metropolitan PD investigation
accounting states investigators confirmed approximately
413 gunshots. or shrapnel injury victims, and
approximately 360 who sustained injuries other
than gunshot or shrapnel injuries, meaning injuries
from fleeing falls and the kind of the stampede
dynamics that happen when thousands of people
think they're about to die. And there's also
the death toll question, because people argue
about this online constantly. The night itself,
the number that's remembered is 58. But years
after, two additional victims died from a complications
linked to injuries from the shooting. In Clark
County's... site notes that the official number
of people who have died as a result of injuries
from October 1st is 60. So when people say it
was 58 or 60 they're usually talking about different
cutoffs in time but it's not different realities.
I think the difference in reality comes between
what the mainstream media says and what the reports
on the ground at the time say. Yeah I think you're
exactly right. It appears that we're not getting
all the facts of this investigation. In fact,
it's a little bit weird how a lot of these details
come out later, right? Like many, many years
after the event occurred, we started learning
new stuff. I think that's an important habit
for this entire episode, right? When something
doesn't match, first question is what definition
is being used and what time window are we talking
about? That alone kind of dissolves a lot of
that fake gotcha contradictions people build
on theories. Now there's one more big piece that
we need to set down because it's the foundation
under almost every conspiracy claim. After the
attack, the local police department FBI investigate.
The FBI's behavioral analysis unit summary states
they found no evidence the attack was motivated
by ideological or political beliefs, and they
conclude the shooter conspired with no one and
acted alone. That doesn't magically answer everything
people want answered. Motive is still widely
described as unclear, but it matters because
there's differences between we don't know why
and therefore anything is possible. But I don't
always buy it. We've seen a lot of that in the
Charlie Kirk. shooting as well, where maybe it's
a Patsy. And I think in that gap, for me personally,
and we'll talk about our conclusions at the end
of this episode, but I almost feel like this
guy's a Patsy. In that gap between the lone shooter
and I think what we'll talk about here, I think
the internet kind of goes wild, but I think there's
a lot of evidence to suggest that I don't know
if that man himself did it. There's a lot of
conspiracy claims out there from international
attention, Saudi Arabia that we'll likely get
into, organized terror cells, multiple shooters.
There is just a lot of evidence that's offered.
conflicts with the official narrative that's
being given out. And I think we do justice by
investigating those claims, right, and trying
to make a determination of maybe what we think
happened. I come from a law enforcement background,
so I can provide my opinion on some of these
timelines and if they make sense. But I think,
Jay, before we turn to theories, right, what
part of the confirmed timeline do you think gets
misunderstood the most? And why does that misunderstanding
matter? Yeah, I think the whole Stephen Paddock
lone shooter narrative isn't the full truth.
Was he involved in some way? I think we'll explore
that here. Do I think he did it? I'm leaning
toward the side of no. I think he was a Patsy.
I think when and we'll kind of muddle through
this a bit, but I think Zeus Campos goes upstairs,
he gets shot through a door, he kind of falls
back. The police stand there and they wait an
hour to breach the room and they find him dead.
I just, I think with the evidence that has been
found out and what we hear, what we'll talk about
in this episode, I just don't think the mainstream
narrative of this story is either contrived or
they're hiding something. So that's kind of where
I stand in this whole situation. Yeah, I think
that makes a lot of good sense. And you mentioned
Stephen Craig Paddock, right? I think it might
be a good opportunity to kind of get into the
shooter's background and see how he fits into
this narrative. So Stephen was a 64 year old
man living in Nevada who, by most outward descriptions,
didn't look like the kind of person people expect
to commit a mass shooting. Investigators describe
him as having limited prior contact with law
enforcement and no known criminal history. He
owned homes in Mesquite and Reno, and he lived
with with his girlfriend, which I think is her
name is Marilu Nanali. His work history included
accounting and involvement in the family's real
estate business, and he traveled frequently in
the years leading up to attack, including multiple
international trips and cruises. I think one
piece of his background that appears in the FBI's
behavioral analysis is his family history. His
father was a notorious bank robber and fugitive
who had been placed on the FBI's 10 most wanted
list in the late 1960s. The FBI's panel noted
that... was influenced by the legacy and the
ideal of his father's notoriety, even though
Paddock's own life appeared on the surface as
stable and pretty conventional. Where investigators
saw a clear shift was in his weapon buying patterns.
The Las Vegas Police Department's final investigation
report described that over decades, roughly from
the early 1980s through September of 2016, he
bought about 29 firearms. And then the year before
the attack, his purchasing accelerated dramatically,
more than 55 additional firearms firearms, mostly
rifles, plus more than 100 related items such
as scopes, cases, bump stocks, and large amounts
of ammunition. The FBI's behavioral analysis
described this as a sustained deliberate period
of preparation rather than a sudden impulsive
change. Investigators also documented in the
report the behavior that looked like planning
and site testing. In September of 2017, he spent
time at the Ogden in downtown Las Vegas during
the period when the Life is Beautiful festival
was happening nearby. and police noted he was
seen moving multiple suitcases. Not long after,
he checked into the Mandala Bay on September
25th, 2017, reserving that room on the 32nd floor,
room 135, with a scheduled checkout on October
2nd. And he later added a second connected room
at 134 on September 29th. Over several days,
he transported multiple suitcases to the room
and moved in and out of the Las Vegas and Mesquite,
consistent with a methodical staging. The FBI's
behavioral analysis unit panel concluded there
was no evidence the attack was motivated by ideology
or political beliefs, and they concluded he acted
alone and conspired with no one. They also found
no manifesto, suicide note, or recorded message
that explained why he did it, which is part of
why the motive remains so heavily disputed today.
Their assessment, whether I agree with it or
not, emphasized that he researched police response
tactics, ballistics, and site selection, that
he used surveillance cameras to monitor approach
routes, suggesting he expected the plan for police
response as part of how the attack would end.
I find that a little bit of a stretch, right,
to be motivated by your father's criminal history
and late in life in your 60s to all of a sudden
try to repeat some type of spectacular event.
I mean, he had no criminal history and the purchasing
of guns, I mean, And we purchased lots of guns
just because we like guns. I mean, it doesn't
mean we're bad people, right? So it's hard for
me to hang that hat on him when he had no criminal
background. He was living a very normal life
up until this event occurred. Yeah, I think it's
a little bit sketchy because I think people like
to conflate the fact that his father was in the
FBI most wanted list to the fact that, you know,
of course he's going to be a criminal. Like,
I don't think those things line up. I mean, maybe
there's, you know, with other people, maybe there's
like a line of thought, but I don't think this
applies with him. I mean, so like in reality,
like, you know, so Stephen Paddock had a pretty
extensive background working for the government.
His first job, a US postal service carrier in
the seventies, like big deal, whatever. I mean,
yeah, you work for the government, but it's not
that ingrained. There's tens of thousands of
postmen. He worked for the IRS for about six
years between the seventies and eighties. So
this is kind of where it gets interesting. He
worked in auditing for the defense contract audit
agency for about a year. And then later worked
for predecessor of the defense contractor that
eventually became part of Lockheed Martin. So
people want to say he was never involved in the
government. I mean, he has a pretty freaking
extensive involvement in the government. And
when I see Lockheed Martin, you know, I mean,
what's Lockheed Martin do? They're defense contractor,
weapons, planes, jets, whatever. So he does have
some roots in that. So, you know, I see him buying
weapons. I mean, whatever, dude. Just because
someone buys guns because he, you know, might
be well off. doesn't mean you're trying to shoot
up people, man. Yeah. I know they kind of list
him as an accountant and they try to breeze over
the fact that he didn't have any governmental
connections. I think a lot of it probably comes
from embarrassment on the government's part.
They don't want to admit that this was kind of
a guy on the inside. I know every company I've
ever worked for, law enforcement agency, you're
pretty close to the accountants, right? They
fund all of your cool stuff. They pay all your
bills. So they know a lot of facts and circumstances
that are occurring within that space, which I
find... fun, interesting. Yeah. So Dave, so I
found this cool website. It's called biggest
shooting .com and it kind of breaks down the
whole timeline of events. It's an interactive
map. There's like little drop pins all over a
Google map and it has the 911 calls, police cameras,
all that stuff. So to start at 9 40 PM, an unidentified
Hispanic woman with a male companion warns the
crowd. You're all going to die. and she was eventually
escorted out by security and she was never publicly
identified. Obviously, there's no details, no
body cams of this footage, but there's multiple
witnesses saying somebody is running through
the crowd giving this warning. At 959 Mandalay
Bay, security guard Jesus Campos investigates
a fire alarm going off on the 32nd floor. As
he's doing this, he's shot in the leg. Through
a door, the claim is that it's Stephen Paddock.
As we go through this, we'll come to different
conclusions. So campus at this time, radio's
shots fired on the 32nd floor. I'm hit. And Stephen
Schock, a building engineer, later confirms this
in the interview. But as this is going down,
Stephen Schock says he hears approximately 200
rounds go off, very close to him. So at tonal
five, Paddock, or again, as we'll. later investigate,
other shooters break two windows on the 32nd
floor, room 135, and begin firing 12 bursts over
10 minutes on the festival crowd. This kind of
puts into perspective, there's 22 ,000 people
at this festival, a Jason Maldine concert, and
hits a fuel tank and obviously several people.
There's several videos showing the chaos that
ensues. So on this map, you can see all the calls
coming in at VegasShooting .com. Very interesting,
by the way. Hundreds of phone calls coming in.
Muffles, the 911. All saying there was an active
shooter on Route 91. Bullets hitting the stage,
this fuel tank and other people. So between 10
-05 and 10 -15, obviously if you're getting shot
at in the 22 ,000 person crowd, panic starts
to spread. Crowds flee eastward toward McCarran
Airport, breach into perimeter fence. 300 people
entered restricted area like runaways and hangars.
At this point, people in the hangars are calling
in for an active shooter, which is bizarre because...
Why would there be an active shooter and hanger
when it's lone gunman, Stephen Paddock on the
32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay? So again, between
12, or I'm sorry, 1012 and 1215, the first Las
Vegas Metropolitan Police officers show up at
the Mandalay Bay. Reports of shots from multiple
floors between the 29th and 32nd, officers are
standing in wait for SWAT. But this is kind of
where it gets weird, man. You have to let me
know what you think with your extensive background
in law enforcement. Guess how long these guys
wait to breach that door. I feel like they waited
hours, right? Didn't they wait a super long time?
They waited 50 minutes, man. Jesus Campo gets
shot in the leg. Again, like we said, Jesus Campo
gets shot at 9 .59. Las Vegas Police Department
shows up between 10, 12, and 10 .15. So less
than 20 minutes they show up. They breach. After
1115, why would they do that? I mean, I, at this
point, I'm just talking to that cop. Wouldn't
you just hit that hard and fast? Yeah. I mean,
SWAT is a luxury where I come from, right? It
takes a long time for SWAT to get on scene. So
you have to act fast. And when it comes to an
active shooter, I mean, you way further off,
like you're not going to go solo, like, you know,
Rambo by yourself and go take him out. But if
there is an active threat to the community, you're
going to get one or two of your good buddies
and you're going to go ahead and breach that
door. After post 9 -11, it was standard to have
an M4 in your patrol car. Most people had it
and everybody was trained on it. We were trained
for these particular scenarios. you would farm
up a team with three or four people and you would
breach that door immediately. From time of shooting
of report and response, let's say it's delayed
because there's a mega crowd out there and everybody's
going nuts and you can't get to the scene right
away. I can't imagine it would take longer than
10 minutes from time of report to breaching that
door. That'd be realistic in my opinion. Yeah.
I mean, it's kind of confusing. I also think
of some of these like school shootings you hear
about. I think there was one... Man, I'm the
ones the names escaping me But it took like the
cops like an hour and a half to go in there like
you have an active shooter in there Why are you
waiting an hour and a half? Like if you're the
first guy on the scene like someone's shooting
a bunch of kids You better get your ass in there,
dog. That's what I'm saying. That's why he was
charged criminally with 249 counts of child neglect
because of that event. It should have been. Yeah,
but he was eventually found not guilty just like
a week or two ago, but he was charged. Because
you're scared? Like, I mean, yeah, you're scared.
I mean, what'd you sign up for? Yeah. I mean,
I'm like, listen, I might die. I told my parents,
my wife, my kids, I love them. I'm going in.
Tell the boys, let them know I'm in there, you
know? These guys wait. I can tell you, I've been
to a few active shooter scenes in my career.
Some turned out to be, you know, nothing at all.
I've responded to schools where they thought
they've had an active shooter. I've been the
first one on the scene and I've gone in with
a pistol. All right, and no, in plain clothes
and a pistol, they're like, there was reports
of a guy with an AR -15 roaming the hallways
and somebody said he was shot. But I was nearby
in my unmarked police car. it with a pistol and
I went into that school by myself and I was clearing
it for like 10 minutes for the next officer showed
up but that's what you do like you said that's
what you sign up for I think that's what ultimately
God as being a Christian man like he commands
us to do if you're gonna die because of that
that's a good reason to go down is protecting
children I can't think of a lot better one right
so I was always happy to respond and and I can
say for the most part of the people that I served
with would do the exact same thing as me right
like they would respond and go in Yeah, I mean,
it gets a little confusing. So they stack out
outside this room for 50 minutes, right? So I
guess the official narrative is that they had
a SWAT team there. But if you kind of look at
the video and look at the official documents
after the fact, the stuff that was released because
of legal action, there was one SWAT guy there.
So a bunch of these cops are waiting for this
one SWAT guy to come in. So anyway, they wait
50 minutes, right? I mean, the shots, at least
in the building, and we'll get to the shots outside
the building here in a minute, the shots in the
building were done. Like long gone. So they're
standing outside this door and there's an interesting
police video for these guys, breach the door,
right? So they, I guess they put a breach charge.
I don't know why. I don't know why you couldn't
kick the damn door down, but they, they breach
it. They go in and pretty quickly they realized
that there's no one in there except for a dead
Steven Paddock. So they're, they're walking in.
So I'm just trying to recap this video. And you
can watch this video on lasvegasshooting .com
or you can watch it on YouTube. So, before they
breach, they tell the cops to turn their body
cams off. Why in the hell would you tell the
cops to turn their body cams off, right? One
guy didn't. I don't know if he didn't because
he didn't want to or because he thought he did
and left it on by accident. But everyone else,
his body cams are off. So you see these guys
breach. They actually don't seem very scared.
Which is bizarre. I don't know. I'm not a cop.
I've never been a cop. I haven't fought in the
war. You've been a cop. I assume as you're breaching,
like you're, you're jacked. You're amped up,
like you're ready to go, right? You're not like
just talking to your brother on some podcast.
It's crap. You know, your adrenaline's pumping.
These guys look like they're about to just like
kind of like, it's like a practice run, right?
They don't seem nervous. They don't seem, unless
they're like complete psychopaths and they don't
still feel fear. I doubt you can get. seven or
eight guys together and not all of them are psychopaths,
but who knows? They've reached this door, they
walk in, they clear it, and they're like, yeah,
all right, there's a dead guy. And one guy walks
up to the window, he's like, there's no holes
in the window. And the guy's like, check the
other window. And he's like, there's nothing.
He's like, there's no holes in these windows.
And, you know, as you watch the body cam footage,
they're kind of just kind of mulling around,
like, kind of like la -di -da. And, you know,
yeah, there's a dead guy here. And they show
all the guns. But you don't really see many gun
casings, man. And that's kind of outside the
narrative because they said there was like over
a thousand rounds, somewhere between like a thousand
fifteen hundred, but there's really not much
on the ground for a guy running between one window
and the other. Apparently, according to the story,
he's in one window, dumping the clip, run to
the other window, dumping the clip, running back
to the other gun, switching out, dumping the
clip. I don't even know why you would do that.
Like there were like 40 plus guns in there. Why
wouldn't you just have them all stacked up, like
one after another, just dumping, dumping, dumping?
I mean, there's so many better ways to do what
they claim he did. And I think the worst part
about the video is like, as they're walking around,
one guy's like, yo, there's some Pringles there.
You want some? And the guy's like, yeah, I'll
have some Pringles. Like, why are you touching
anything in this room right now? Like, what is
happening? That was one of the worst things I've
ever seen, just coming from a law enforcement
perspective, right, is... that it looked like
a scene that had already been cleaned up almost
because there was no crime scene integrity. I
didn't see a lot of guns laying around. I didn't
see a lot of shell casings laying around. I saw
a lot of golden rolls that you're told from police
academy that they were breaking that preserve
the crime scene to make sure everything stays
intact until, you know, the investigators get
there. It all looked highly unusual. And I can
tell you I've actually trained many times with
the Las Vegas Police Department, right? I've
been to their facilities. They've come out to
my facilities. I used to be a commander of a
SWAT team. I've worked with the commander of
their SWAT team in the past. I don't know if
he was connected to this event or not, but I've
worked with them and they are highly professional.
In my career, I've worked with, you know... police
teams all over the country. And I would always
say, yeah, Las Vegas is the leading edge. They're
great. They're great at what they do. And of
course, you have people that suck at every department.
But overall, it's a great department. They're
good at their job. And by looking at that video,
it looks like every single person there is a
rookie. And everyone's breaking the rules. And
nothing lines up with the stated official narrative,
which kind of gives you just this uneasy feeling
when you're watching it. Yeah, it gets a little
sketchy because as we progress on this episode,
we'll kind of maybe touch on it, but we'll touch
on it here now. I think one thing you'll find
out is that most of those guns are like .308
and .556, right? But there are clips of, I can't
remember, so I don't want to misstate. So one
of the two things is true. There are either AKs
without clips or AK clips without AKs in the
room. Like why would you bring, and I think it
was the AK clips, like 7 .62 by 39 clips. Why
would you bring the clips but not the gun? That
doesn't make any sense. Or why would you bring
the gun without the clips? Everything else is
stacked up. Like why would you bring that? But
there were no 7 .62 rounds anywhere. It was all
either 3 .08 or 5 .56, which kind of, it gets
a little sketchy there. I've never seen a single
person active shooter or read about or seen on
TV that bring more than like two firearms, right?
You have a primary and a backup. So if their
primary jams, they have their backup as their
escape route or what have you, right? So I think
in general, if you have one person acting alone
to bring this like suite of guns really makes
no sense to me either. And if you're going to
be considered somebody that uses firearms routinely,
like I'd get like a jam. Well, I don't know how
to fix a jam because I suck. firearms so I'm
just gonna pick up a new gun like we see with
some people that just buy a gun and go do an
active shooting but if you're somebody that understands
them you can clear a jam fairly quickly and to
bring an armada to suggest more than one person
to me because why would you do that right like
I feel like if you're gonna do an active shooter
primary backup like you know you're good and
then get out I can't understand just having multiple
multiple weapons I can understand clips because
it takes a lot of reload them if that's what
you're gonna do But I can't understand just like
I'm gonna have enough guns for 50 people to shoot
Right, like I'm gonna have a whole like company
of guys here just firing off doesn't make any
sense I'm like, I mean obviously like we're very
early in the timeline like I so I think this
is kind of where we touch on it and This is gonna
get conspiratorial for me in my opinion. I think
and so Stephen Paddock He had two rooms in his
name on the 32nd floor. They were connected.
Like one of those, you know, when you go with
your family, like you can get rooms that have
like a door, you can close, you have privacy,
but there's still two rooms. Both were in his
name, but he apparently, there were three women
with him on the other room. He brought, you know,
40 something guns. In my opinion, I don't think
this is a far reaching opinion. I think a lot
of people came to this conclusion. I think he
was there for an arms deal. You don't bring 40
whatever guns to light people up, right? Like
you said, you have maybe one or two, a sidearm,
and you're just swapping mags the whole time.
Like, why would you bring 42? Like, what are
you doing with 42? That doesn't make sense. I
mean, yeah, they say some of the guns are on
tripods. Okay, you want a better firing position,
whatever. But you're going to take one gun, dump
it, pick up the other gun, put it on the tripod,
dump it. He didn't do that. Like it, there was
no evidence that he did that. So in my opinion,
he was there to sell guns to someone. He brought
a lot of guns and his intention. I mean, maybe
he, maybe he lit up. Maybe he lit up the crowd.
I don't know. I don't think he did, but I think
he brought a bunch of guns there to sell to someone.
I think he was a patsy and I think he thought
he was there to sell a bunch of guns to some
rich guy. And again, we'll kind of wrap this
up at the end, but I think he thought he was
selling a bunch of guns at someone. They came
up there. They're like, yeah, these cool guns.
Bap shot them and then they dumped on the crowd
and they bounced out. And we'll get into that
reason where I think later, but it doesn't make
a lot of sense. Like you said, to bring 40 something
guns to shoot two of them, you know, maybe arguably
three, if you're shooting the handgun through
a, through a door, it doesn't make any sense.
And I haven't. So that's why I asked this question.
But have you seen any evidence that suggests
that he didn't commit suicide, that perhaps it
was the second shooter in the room that took
his life? Yeah. So there's actually a flame conspiratorial.
So when they went into the room, it looked like
he got shot in the chest, right? So he had dried
blood on his chest. I think he had a gunshot
wound to the head, which is fresh blood. So this
is like an autopsy reports. So they're saying.
There is an old blood stain and then there's
a new fresh blood coming out of his head or wherever
it was in this body. I think it was his head,
but there was definitely a shot in his chest,
which was old blood. So now we can get a bit
conspiratorial. The thought is somebody shot
him in the chest. They dumped onto this crowd
right before they rolled out. Before the cops
came up, they tapped in the head and they left.
So that's why you see the old blood and you see
the new blood. It's a safety check, right? A
lot of people do it in the military. Take a person
down and you just want to make sure they're down,
so you shoot them in the head. Did they say with
what round was fired into his chest? I didn't
get that deep in that research, but no, I don't.
It'd be interesting because, you know, I've been
to... thousands of autopsies, many of those involving
firearms. And it's very rare to have two gunshot
wounds. I've seen it on one occasion in my entire
career. And it was an occasion where this elderly
person wanted to commit suicide. They went into
the garage and they towed it with a rifle to
their chest, right, and pulled the trigger with
their toe. It shot them in the chest and it did
not kill them, because guns aren't always like
the movies, right? I forget the caliber of some
type of shotgun. Maybe it was like a 10 gauge
or something. But, you know, thought it would
kill them in his chest. didn't. He gets up and
leaves and he goes into the kitchen where he
retrieves a revolver and then shoots himself
in the head and is dead. So we treated that thing
as a homicide for a very long time because, you
know, who has two bullet wounds and a suicide
attempt? It's very rare. Never saw it in my career.
The guys that were salt and pepper had been doing
this for a lot longer than me. They've never
even seen it in their career. So it's just, it's
so super rare to have two gunshot wounds. I think
it's almost impossible to have a dried wound
and then a fresh one. that doesn't line up, you
know, the blood dries on your, your shirt because
you got shot through the chest and then you're
actively kind of leaking blood out of like your
head. Like, I mean, if that would have happened,
I feel like there would have been a blood trail
or something. At least in like your situation,
you probably could see like the blood trail at
least to wherever you want next. But this guy,
like he was, he was, he was dead on the ground.
Like two shots, one dry, one not. It's usually
because there's so much adrenaline pumping through
your body that it happens almost in succession,
right? Meaning that you shot yourself, you're
in so much damn pain and your adrenaline's pumping
that you hurry up and go finish the job. Not
like wait however long it takes blood to dry
an hour or whatever, right? Like you don't, there's
not this like massive time because after that
point your adrenaline's worn off, like you're
down in pain. You're probably almost incapacitated
from the initial wound that you would just, you
wouldn't see that. Yeah. So I don't know. So
I mean, it's a little bit bizarre that I almost
think he was like honey -potted. I think he had
three women convinced and he probably, he was
a compulsive gambler, right? He was a millionaire,
but I think he was kind of down on his luck.
There were reports that he was like losing money
left and right at the casino. I think he got
honey -potted. He met some, at least two. for
him, attractive women. He's like, yeah, I know
some people who want to buy some guns. He kind
of is like, yeah, I bought a ton of guns in the
past couple of years. I'll sell them to them.
You know, I'll make 30, 40, 50 K. I can go back
to gambling when I run these upstairs. I mean,
there's video of him walking these guns up and
down, which isn't, you know, people are like,
how can some guy just walk through Vegas with
a bunch of gun or obviously they didn't know
there were gun cases, but a bunch of cases. But
if you look at it, a lot of high end retailers,
rent these lavish Vegas suites and they do demonstrations.
So it's not unusual for people to bring up loads
and loads of stuff to their room in order to
put on a nice little show for whoever they're
trying to sell to. So, you know, I tossed that
out immediately. I think that's an easy, easy
thing. to kind of put a pin in and say, that's
BS. There's all kinds of trade shows in Vegas.
People rent these rooms. They're trying to bring
in some wealthy clients. They don't want their
wealthy clients to be seen in like the main lobbies,
the convention center, what have you. They rent
nice private suites and they bring up their gear,
whatever they're selling. And I think this guy
was doing exactly that. I think he needed money,
wanted money, probably, you know, with his connections
from Lockheed Martin, probably. arguably knew
some people who were in the gun game, probably
on the little bit of the sketchy side, who he
was like, yo, I've bought a ton of guns in the
past couple years. I want to sell them. These
women are hooking me up. The contact, I'm down.
Sign me up. And I think that's what he was doing.
Yeah, I don't think it's unusual. I mean, even
today people do it all the time. And Las Vegas
is like where to have a conference, right? An
international spot where everybody has conferences
going on all the time. And every conference I've
ever been to companies get private hotel suites
and they set up and they bring like their priority
clients back to show them whatever. So the fact
of carrying 50 suitcases, nobody would bat an
eye at that at a Las Vegas hotel. Oh, I mean,
the bellboys probably help you. Give me a $5
tip, I'll help you hump this up. Yeah. A lot
of people are like, well, they have great security
ethics. Well, they do, but they're watching the
table games. They're making sure you're not cheating
them. They're not watching a lot for everything
else. That's why prostitution happens rampant
within those hotels and drugs and everything
else, because they're not watching for those
things. They're there to not get ripped off.
Dude, right. Let's be real. Vegas was conceived
by the mob, right? Yeah. All kinds of sketchy
stuff goes down. As long as you're not killing,
hurting, or very, very worse, stealing from them,
they don't really care. Like you want to do something
illegal over here, run a room, throw some money
on the tables, all good. We're good. They don't
care. I mean, it's the hub of the sins. All of
Sin City for a reason. Exactly. As long as you're
not killing someone or doing something to get
them in trouble, they don't care. They'll let
you do whatever you want to do. Yeah, do we want,
this might be a good time to get into some of
the conspiracy theories that were offered on
this event as kind of like the alternative version
of the story outside of what we just discussed.
Yeah, let's do it. So the first one that I found
was that somebody proposed that there were multiple
shooters within the crowd. So the gunfire wasn't
only coming from above. There were three shooters
inside or near the concert grounds, making it
a kind of crossfire situation or coordinated
attack. The supporting details here, right, is
the first minute eyewitness statements, people
yelling, they're shooting over there or giving
conflicting directions and panic. Later, it was
treated as literal and accurate rather than confusion.
We have some shaky phone videos where the audio
seems to shift directions, or the crowd reacts
in pockets and interpreting these ground level
firings. Clips of people being tackled and detained
in the crowd, which were interpreted as shooters
being caught at the event, even when the clip,
you know, has no confirmed follow up from the
authorities. And the idea that the crowd stampede
behavior implies that the threat was coming from
multiple sides, not just overhead. Now... The
other one that I saw when we talk about trajectory
of bullet spread is some people say they were
shooting from a helicopter down at the crowd.
I kind of pit these two in the same bucket because
when I think from a realistic perspective, if
we believe that the shooter was in the hotel
shooting down from the 32nd floor, I think you're
going to have enough bullet spread if you're
attacking a crowd that you're probably going
to misinterpret that for coming from everywhere,
right? Above, below, to your side, confusion,
panic. I mean, I can't imagine bullets dropping
down 30 plus stories at you. I think it would
be pretty hard to pinpoint, but there is some
evidence out there to suggest that multiple people
are on scene carrying out this assault. I mean,
I think this is kind of where it gets interesting,
right? So there are reports of, I think there's
videos too of flashing lights coming from helicopters,
whether or not that's the tail lights flashing,
but it kind of coincides with the burst. So kind
of want to rewind a bit. So you've heard the
video. It's like, it sounds like a full auto
machine gun. It's ripping off. The claim is,
is that he had a bus dock. I don't know how much
you know about bus stocks. You probably know
a lot from being a cop. They're notorious for
jamming. Like you might drop seven or eight rounds
in a jams and you're not ripping 30, 40 rounds
off before that thing. It just. in terms of the
way the gun's designed, it's not meant to kind
of reduce the way the firing mechanism pulls
back. It shortens it, right? So you're pulling
the trigger. Shortening is trigger reset. So
instead of like pulling the trigger once, it
goes all the way back, chambers them around.
It's starting to, it's reducing that, that length,
right? So you're just, you're reducing that length.
So eventually over time, it's going to jam a
bullet. So people are like, it's impossible.
For someone to rip off 40, 50, I mean, I assume
the biggest clips I know for like 42 rounds.
It doesn't make sense for someone to rip off
a full clip of 40 plus rounds without a jam,
with a buttstock. So some people think of it
as like an M240. Like you just pull off a machine
gun, belt fed, and you're just blazing it. And
you hear the gunfire, it's fast. And some people
think that there's video of like a chopper overhead
at the same time flying around. You see the muzzle
flash according to them. It's a light flash and
you could argue it's muzzle flash. You can argue
either way. You talked about somebody being in
the crowd. So during the autopsies, yeah, some
bullet trajectories are from very high coming
down in. Other bullet trajectories are from if
you and I are staying in a field and I'm just
popping off at you or vice versa. The trajectories
don't make sense. So there may have been somebody
in the crowd shooting. There's also another pretty
interesting theory is that given where he was
up in the Mandalay Bay, where some of the people
were killed, he didn't have a line of sight on
them. So they think it was from the chopper or
somebody else on a different roof in a different
hotel. The claim is it was impossible for him
to even see these people from where he was. I
guess the only kind of argument there is that
these people got shot, they ran and they died.
outside of his line of sight, but still very
interesting facts. Death is kind of a weird thing,
right? I've seen a guy that jumped from, I don't
remember how tall the Hamilton County Detention
Center is, but he jumped from the top floor from
the rec yard. He jumped off the complete building.
He landed, I'm going to say 10 stories. I don't
remember how exactly how tall it was. It was
several stories though. He landed on his feet.
from the roof. I mean, he had multiple broken
bones and this was before I was an investigator,
but he had landed on his feet and he ran two
blocks before he died. And he jumped off a building
like a superhero. Did he just die from like internal
bleeding? He had internal bleeding. He broke
so many bones and he was bleeding everywhere.
But the adrenaline kept his heart pumping long
enough for him to run two blocks. It's not like
the movies, right? Where somebody gets shot and
they get blown back 50 feet and that's the end
of it. People die pretty slowly when it comes
to some of these things. And it can take a minute
or two for you to bleed out depending on where
you get hit, right? Like if you didn't hit a
main artery or whatever the case may be. So I
can definitely see people being scattered about.
But one of the things that I find interesting
and I'm sure they must have done it by now bullet
to directory. I've done a lot of studying on
that. I went to the Forensic Science Academy.
It's a fairly easy thing to make a determination
on from a law enforcement perspective. If you
have open access to the crime scene and you're
going to directory, running the lasers and the
rods and everything else, it's pretty easy and
standard to kind of figure out where those bullets
came from. And I'm sure they didn't share that
with folks, but it's out there somewhere. So
I do think there are some autopsy reports released
where people had bullet trajectories from a very
high elevation, and other people had it from
ground level, where you would be on the same
elevation as them. It's like, it's evidence that
somebody was popping off in the crowd while somebody's
dropping from either the helicopter or from wherever
they claim Stephen Paddock was. I think that's
pretty accessible at this point, which is kind
of crazy. But, you know, again, we'll go back
to Las Vegas shooting map. There's videos of
people running across rooftops. Like, why? I
mean, okay, so There's a gunfight going on. I
mean, at this point, there's no gunfight. We'll
get to that point later. But at this point, you
know, the claim is Stephen Paddock, 32nd floor,
dropping rounds onto their crowd. And there's
videos of guys on a rooftop of a lower building
running around right after the shooting. Hey,
why would you be on the rooftop of a building
in Las Vegas running? These guys are, there's
two or three of them just sprinting and jumping
over a ledge. You can't see them anymore. Doesn't
make any sense. I guess you could say somebody's
video. recording something for the concert, but
nobody ever claimed to be those people. As you
see them running, you don't really see anything
in their hands. It almost seems like they were
shooting and they dropped the guns and just booked
it. I wonder, you know, the first thing that
comes to my mind is like sympathetic fire or
nervous fire. People either, you know, having
CCWs carry concealed weapons or officers that
are rookies that just like are on ground level
and be like, oh, that guy's got a gun. I'm going
to shoot. Right. Because they're so nervous because
they're essentially inserted into this now war
zone that is occurring there. And I wonder if
some of that got happened and just kind of got
washed with the incident. You talk about the
guys like the the linear fire on the ground.
Yeah, exactly. It kind of reminds me of like
that whole ICE thing that just happened. They're
arresting a guy and they pop off on him. What
happened there? I didn't see that one. I heard
about it, but I haven't really looked into it.
Dude, I mean, if you watch that video as a cop,
you would cringe, man. It's bad. Like, listen,
this isn't political. I don't care who's left,
who's right. Wrong is wrong. Right is right.
They're arresting this guy. You see these like
six cops come up, or six ICE agents. I don't
even want to call them cops. And he's a white
guy. Like he's not even an illegal, so. Why are
you messing with him? He's videotaping them.
They run up on him. I'm sure he's talking crap,
right? He's probably being difficult, but we
live in a freaking America, right? Like he could
talk crap, you know? So these six or seven guys
go around them. They're talking crap. He's videotaping
them. They throw them to the ground. And next
thing you know, they pop them in the head. And
then another guy comes, I guess he hears a gunshot,
comes back and shoots him six or seven times.
As a police officer, I want you to watch that
video. I'm like, why in the hell was that guy
ever shot? They arrest him. Fine. Whatever. I
mean, He saw as a freedom of speech and they're
like, he had a gun. Well, I mean, we live in
America, bro. Right. So some guy, so you see
another guy come up. I guess he pulls the gun
out of his pocket. I don't know if they thought
the guy or the ice agent, he came and maybe they
saw the ice agent pulled a gun from his pocket,
thought it was him pulling it and shot him either
way, dude. He's a complete leftist. Again, regardless
of politics, man, they shot the guy like eight
times. and killed him for no reason. It just,
it makes no sense. But I get it when you're saying
sympathetic fire, we will go back to this video.
So as these cops, when they breach the door,
they go in, they see the dead guy, and then they
don't see any holes in the windows. Then they're
like, we got to breach this other room. As they
kick that door down, another cop pops off a burst.
And they're like, he just like, and he's like,
he's like, I don't know what he said. He's like,
I, someone, he's like, I shot, I shot, I shot.
But he's just, like, they kicked the door down
and he burst. Like, terrible trigger discipline.
But yeah, I think that's a funny, I was trying
to piggyback on your story. I almost wonder if
that's the round they hit the guy in the head.
Oh yeah, no, this was after they saw the dead
guy. Yeah, but they breached the second door
and he's like, three rounds. And they're like,
what the, everyone's freaking out. And he's like,
I shot, I'm sorry. I've seen some stupid shit,
but I'd never seen it that bad. You know, I've,
I almost got shot once cause a guy was cleaning
his gun next to me and he forgot to unload it.
And what do you have to do this? But you have
to pull the trigger to disassemble it. I had
to take the slide off and he still had around
in the chamber and he shot it and ricochet. It
was right next to me to ricochet all around the
gun cleaning room. So I've seen some dumb shit,
but I don't know that I've ever seen that. Wow.
I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's so weird to
see them so, like, nonchalant, breaching his
door, walking in, like, whatever. And then they
breach the second door and the guy's... It's
like, it doesn't line up. I mean, I don't think
he did it on purpose. I just, like, why are you
so nervous to go to this next door? Well, as
I said, I don't know those guys, obviously, but
the ones I trained with on the SWAT team, they
were very good. Like, I wouldn't expect to see...
Any of that happen? I think, you know, they waited
so long to breach the door. I think a logical
mind says that guy's in there and if he's in
there, he's dead because he stopped shooting
like 20 minutes ago. Yeah. So I could see why
they're almost relaxed because they're just like,
we're waiting for the order to go in. Like they
must be waiting for somebody to command them
to enter that room. And they already knew there
was no threat. The only other thing I can figure.
So, I mean, let's be clear. They say the SWAT
team won and there was one SWAT guy that breached
the door. It wasn't the whole SWAT team. It was
a bunch of Las Vegas police department guys.
They waited for the one SWAT guy to come up and
then they breached. So there was only one SWAT
guy there. So this is where we kind of get into
this conspiracy, right? So, okay, we're just
going to go head deep into this. I think what
has the most evidence to it is that the King
of Saudi Arabia. So one of the conspiracies is
that this whole thing was a ruse, a distraction.
to assassinate Mohammed bin Salam, the king of
Saudi Arabia. So a part of me thinks, so I mean,
again, this episode is going very long because
we're talking about a lot of stuff. But the thought,
so this is getting to the meat of the conspiracy.
The meat of the conspiracy is this was an operation
to kill the king of Saudi Arabia and or one of
the princes. So the thought is, is that that
shooting down at the crowd was a distraction
in order, at least in my opinion, to get police,
SWAT, to come to this massive shooting, while
these other guys, and as we'll talk about here
now, there's a bunch of gunfights going on around
the city. There's gunfights going outside the
Tropicana, multiple other casinos, where after
this whole shooting happens, people are calling
in shots fired at Tropicana, you know, and we'll
get into the other weird stuff about this. footage
isn't released. The casinos haven't released
any footage. All the footage you see are from
police body cams because the casinos haven't
released anything. But apparently, and I think
it's, I mean, a bunch of conspiracy guys, a bunch
of investigators have really good evidence to
suggest that this was just a massive distraction
to kill this king. Well, I think there's a lot
of teeth behind it, meaning that, you know, People
believe he was staying at the Four Seasons Hotel,
which occupies the top floors of Mandalay Bay.
And, you know, allegedly is able to be proven
during the 2017 and 2019 Saudi Arabia purge,
right? I don't remember if you remember during
that time. They were going around killing a lot
of people in a lot of different places that were
connected to the government. And that happened
one month after the shooting, right? So like
the planning stages were done and this might
have been kind of like the kickoff event, you
know, and I think... I think the other kind of
interesting thing is Saudi Arabia's public investment
fund had made significant investments into MGM,
which owns Mandalay Bay and much of the Las Vegas
Strip. I think the investment part is the overall
effort to diversify their economy and stuff that
they're investing in outside of oil, but they
have control essentially of this area because
of their investments and they're going through
this massive purge. I don't remember how many
of these high profile people that were connected
to Saudi Arabia were killed just one month after,
but it was a huge I think even one didn't want
to occur in the United States as well I don't
know about the United States, but I remember
a month after I think it was called like the
night of a thousand swords I could be misinterpreting
that but uh, but yeah, so after this this Las
Vegas shooting happened the king of Saudi Arabia
brought all like a bunch of these princes I mean
there's hundreds of princes brought them in and
either killed them or defunded them right like
not like two to four weeks after this whole event
happened. And the interesting thing, you remember
that guy, Khashoggi, I can't remember his first
name, but he was a, he was a big thing back in
like 2018 where a New York times reporter was
seen going into the Saudi Arabian embassy in
Turkey. And then you see a video of these guys
coming out with suitcases and nobody could find
this reporter for a month. Yeah. Yeah. So that's
what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah. So it was,
I think it was a embassy in Turkey, a Saudi embassy
in Turkey, where they brought this reporter in
and then they chopped him up, put him in suitcases.
And then they kind of, they didn't even try to
hide it. Like they were trying to send a message.
And it was like, why in the hell would he kill
a reporter? Like, I don't understand this, but
you kind of look at this guy, Khashoggi's background.
He used to fight for the Mujahideen. Like he
was a very I don't want to say rebellious, but
he was like kind of like a freedom fighter kind
of against his whole thing and was very anti
-Saudi. So when he was younger, he was, you know,
he was a freedom fighter, a rebel in Afghanistan.
And then as he kind of went up through the ranks,
he eventually became a New York Times reporter.
And they think he had a big part in trying to
coordinate this attack. And he got murdered to
the day a year after the Las Vegas shooting,
which is mind blowing, man. It's it's like I
said, there's there's a lot of evidence where
they could have controlled that environment in
order to kind of set up this I mean You know
Saudi Arabia kind of calls it the I think it's
called like the anti -corruption purge, right?
Like they're saying they're bringing justice
and they're trying to kick all these people out
of the government because they were very corrupt
But if that's true, then the corrupt people may
want to take him out as well that the crown prince,
right? So It's pretty crazy Yeah, dude, it gets
even crazier. I mean, so there's videos, uh,
video and audio of an air traffic control tower.
So, right. So the shooting happens, I think maybe
like 45 minutes after the shooting there, you
hear the ACT guys saying, Hey, there's people
on the runway and there's video like night vision
video of these guys. You can kind of tell where
they have like, it looks like they have something
over the chest, which I mean, you can look at
it. but it almost looks like a body armor, right?
So it's a kind of like obscuring their, their
heat signature coming out of their chest. And
they're like, I think we have an active shooter
or we have an active shooter on the runway and
somebody radios in that says, turn the lights
off. And so they, they kill the runway lights
and it's just like four or five guys just hanging
out in the runway. Like they kind of seem nonchalant
and it doesn't look like people that would be
from the crowd. Cause these people ran to the
hangers and uh, and And they, they're like, yeah,
kill the runaway lights. It's almost like they
were waiting for a, so they're on top of that.
I mean, I know we're kind of all over the place
with this episode, but there's all kinds of helicopters
flying around Las Vegas at a time with their
transponders off. Some of them they're flying,
they go off over Mandalay Bay during the shooting
and they come back on somewhere else. Other ones,
you can look at the video. based off of, I mean,
if you're a researcher, you can figure out these
choppers were never ever on radar, or at least
on the transponder radar. And the thought is
with the gunfire at the Tropicana and all the
reports of gunfire after the fact, there's all
kinds of police audio an hour after the fact
of gunfire going off, where people are getting
calls, cops taking the call, and their police
body cam hears like bursts. There's like gunfire.
battles going on in the street, people finding
clips and guns in the street. None of this is
reported. The only reason we know about it is
because of the police reports after the fact
and the police body cam audio and footage. I
mean, you'll never see the fights on body cam,
but you can hear the gunfire on the body cam
after apparently Stephen Paddock killed himself,
which makes no sense. And none of it makes sense.
It doesn't line up. It just doesn't make logical
sense. But I mean, I guess we're forgetting to
the end of what we think this event is. It almost
sounds like the main event happened where they
claimed Stephen Paddock shot into the crowd.
You draw all the police in, right? I mean, of
course, if you have a mass shooting, all the
cops are going to go there. Next thing you know,
there's gunfire going on the street, a bunch
of people battling in the street, which in my
opinion is somebody of high value, like a king
or a prince trying to be so His guards are fighting
against the people trying to assassinate him
as they run across the city to the airport, battling
the whole time. There's people on the runway.
They land a helicopter to runway lights off.
They get airlifted out. And the other guys, whoever
they are, just hightail it. The guy's trying
to assassinate them. And I think that's what
happened, bro. I mean, it's essentially a war
zone, right? And we talk about it. And we talk
about some of the connective tissue to Saudi
Arabia. One of the groups that came out that
said they actually, you know, that Stephen Paddock
was their warrior was the Islamic State, right?
And this was years before they got really, really
bad. They were still bad, obviously, but before
it was like high profile. And the Islamic State
and coordination with Stephen... accepted responsibility
for the event as well. So, you know, that does
have ties to the Middle East, which obviously
where Saudi Arabia is located. And, you know,
I wonder sometimes, right, I've seen mass casualty
events where sometimes it's better to tell the
convenient narrative versus like go to war. Right.
And sometimes I wonder if we do those coverups
to prevent like, well, yeah, if Saudi Arabia
was fighting and killing all of our people in
our soil, we would have to go to a war with Saudi
Arabia. And I wonder if if it's kind of like
a scapegoat in a way for that. Yeah. I mean,
I don't think we'd go to, I mean, if the king
of Saudi Arabia or prince is in Las Vegas and
someone's trying to kill him, it's not really
his fault. Like we're not going to go to war
with Saudi Arabia. But if I'm ISIS and I'm trying
to coordinate this attack to assassinate, I mean,
we're already at war with ISIS, right? We're
already at war with these terrorist groups. I
mean, if I don't want to catch the blame, I'm
going to be like, oh yeah, they pinned this guy
Stephen Paddock. We'll just say he's an Islamist
and he converted. Let's just try to divert the
blame from us, at least in some way. But yeah,
man, it gets wild, man. It's a wild story for
sure. There's so much going on. There's so much
that isn't released or admitted to in the mainstream
media. It almost seems like a weird Jason Bourne
movie, right? Something you see in the movies.
A king is hanging out in Vegas, just trying to
have some fun, chill, prance, whatever, whatever
have you. Next thing you know, there's a diversion.
It almost sounds like a Ocean's 12 or Ocean's
13 or whatever. Like you're trying to do a heist,
but instead of robbing the bank, you're trying
to kill a king. And I think, I think someone,
a terrorist group tried to kill him. You know,
it's interesting too, because you would think...
You have this main attack on this 22 ,000 person
group listening to this concert. You would think
these other gun battles would kill just random
civilians. I think one person may have died by
a stray bullet. And I think somebody, it's not
unconfirmed, got shot in the hanger. Again, is
that person shot in the hanger because there
was a wound and they ran away and ran, hit out
in the hangar. But there's obvious, you can hear
the gunfights on audio. long after the main shooting
stopped. But these people aren't shooting random
civilians, right? Like you would think of terror,
like you remember the Paris attack. These guys
driving around on bikes just dumping clips into
people in Paris. Like there's indiscriminately
killing. The gunfire, the gunfights that were
going off after the fact, after this main shooting,
they weren't indiscriminately killing people.
It almost sounded like an actual battle. There's
targets. They're trying to get to what they're
trying to get to. The other crew is trying to
retreat and get the other person out. No one
else is getting shot. No one else is getting
killed. It's just, it's just a standard fallback
gunfight the whole time. Someone's pressing,
someone's falling back and nobody else is shot.
Like there's no terrorists running around to
shooting random people to Tropicana or whatever
other casino that there is. So you can find clips.
I mean, people found clips, people found guns.
They were turned into the police, but no one
else is really shot. And this battle raged for
maybe another hour after the fact. I mean, when
I say battle, I mean, random shots, people taking
pop shots at one another as they're either pressing
or falling back. But you would think if there's
other terrorists there that were with the intention
of just creating terror, they would just walk
into the prop can and just dump clips everywhere.
That didn't happen. It also could explain the
slow in response, right? And only one SWAT officer
eventually showing up to the Mandalay Bay because
maybe there was all, you know, multiple active
scenes that they were responding to. I mean,
I can tell you from experience that these high
profile events like concerts are most of the
SWAT guys usually work those events, right? Like
they're there, staged and ready. So it almost
sounds like they could have been diverted to
a secondary location or other locations along
with it, which could have... reason why only
one SWAT team member ultimately ended up at this
hotel, which they maybe considered a cold scene
by that point and something else was going on.
That would line up with facts for me. And I think
that's the most logical theory, right? At least
in my mind, and we weren't there, we don't know,
but it sounds like connective tissue between
Saudi Arabia and the Islamic State. I don't think
we can end this conversation because there is
a very popular conspiracy theory out there that
was driven by Alex Jones, which is... kind of
quack but he leans hard into the conspiracy theory
space is that the killing was coordinated or
supported by members of the U .S. government
or by members of the deep state and proponents
of this view including Alex Jones himself claim
that the incident was a false flag operation
aimed to push a certain political objective such
as gun control. The theorists frequently use
the bump stock ban implemented in response to
mass shootings to back up their accusations.
And some theorists have referenced Las Vegas
police delay response to Stephen Paddock's room
during the shooting to back up those assertions.
The leaking of the crime scene photographs from
Stephen Paddock's suite after Las Vegas massacre
really has fueled theories and due to questions
of lack of transparency. Concerns are raised
regarding whether the leaked images properly
showed the crime scene as discovered by detectives
of speculation of tampering, such as relocating
Paddock's body before documentation, called into
question the murder scene's initial condition.
According to some of the eyewitnesses, 45 minutes
before the massacre happened, as you stated earlier,
an unknown woman exclaimed, you're all going
to die, to concertgoers. She and that man she
was with then were kind of let out by security
and police. never determine whether this woman's
mourning was related to the attack. Following
the Las Vegas shooting, MGM witnessed a decrease
in the stock price and theorists claim the unproven
unusual stock market activity involving MGM Resorts,
which owns Mandalay Bay where the shooter was
positioned, such as a decline in that stock price
and unusual trade volumes prior to the attack
and as evidence of that foreknowledge. This is
very similar to some of the 9 -11 conspiracy
theories in both the use of unusual stock market
activity and manipulation as evidence of prior
knowledge to that major event. And financial
analysis and investigative reports frequently
demonstrate that unusual trading behavior does
not always imply knowledge of an immediate incident.
But these arguments remain hypothetical in absence
of proof. An anonymous 4chan member going by
the name of John posted a warning to stay away
from Las Vegas on the 16th anniversary of 9 -11,
citing an immediate deadly attack. And John,
who merely sent a cryptic message suggested staying
away from big parties in Henderson and Las Vegas
and started that he knew in advance of a significant
incident that was about to occur. Examination
of these messages and timestamps and substance
shown that many of them were posted after the
shooting had already begun or were ambiguous
or unreliable warnings. It seems like some people
had some foreknowledge of this event. I don't
really buy into the whole conspiracy theory of
the United States government, but I think there
is cover up involved. And I don't believe that
if Paddock did act on this event, I don't believe
that he acted alone to accomplish this task.
But I think there's just stuff like many things
out there that we're never going to know the
true answer to. But I think some of it makes
good logical sense with the Islamic State and
Saudi Arabia. And it's things to think about,
right? As you kind of assess your security out
in the field. And when you go to these kinds
of events, I know I'm always thinking about it
when I bring my kids and wife along to keep everybody
safe. And it's weird. I mean, it's just like,
it kind of hearkens back to what we just witnessed
not too long ago with the Charlie Kirk's assassination.
And what was that guy that stood up and said,
I did it, right? Like immediately after the incident.
And he was some wacko, right? Like he was some
wacko, but he was also with the Boston Marathon
bombing, who also He also claimed that he did
it there too. Yeah, it's so weird. It kind of
feels the same, right? Like you're having these
people that seem to have some type of foreknowledge
or in the right place at the right time claiming
responsibility. People are like, I don't listen
to him. He's nuts. Well, he's at two major assassination
things and that seems weird. Just by coincidence.
I haven't been at one. What are the odds of me
at totally? Like what is happening? Dude, but
I want to kind of rewind here a bit. So we're
talking about the SWAT, right? So, okay, this
is where my brain goes, right? So you have a
mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay, 22 ,000 people.
You would think every SWAT officer within 50
miles would be there, right? And you have one
guy go upstairs with a bunch of Las Vegas Police
Department guys, the breach of door. I assume
LAPD, or I'm sorry, Las Vegas PD has at least
a hundred SWAT guys, at least. Big place like
that, right? Guys ready to rock and roll. So
where are they? And so then I asked the question,
if you know there's going to be some high value
target or some high value potential target, I
think they're there. And you could answer this
question better than I could ever. But wherever
you were a cop, I don't want to dox you, so we're
not going to say. But if you had somebody that
was super famous, super wealthy, guess for a
lack of a better term, has a high hit mark on
them, would your police department know? Most
likely. Yeah, because you're coordinating the
security to get them in, right? Because you're
doing the blockades on the roads, like you're
giving them escorts. Like nine times out of 10,
you're probably going to know that they're there
and not only know that they're there, you brought
them there. And you probably have guys, maybe
you don't have all your guys there. You probably
have like one or two guys like, hey, stick around
this guy. If someone goes down, let me know,
call me and we'll get the boys there, right?
Like you probably have somebody close, like coordinating
their, your, I mean, people that rich and famous
probably have high level security guides, but
you probably have your own kind of liaison there
to kind of, I'm gonna hang out with you. If you
need something, let me know. So part of me thinks
like when this hit started, all the SWAT went
to this guy to get them out, right? Like screw
the, screw the crowd. We don't want some crazy
incident. We don't want a king or prince assassinated.
So grab the SWAT guys. We're going to escort
them through the city. get them to the airport,
get them out of here. And I think that's probably
what that gunfight was. Like the SWAT guys escorting
this king or this prince out, where they're fighting
these like pseudo, I'm just going to call them
terrorists for lack of, these hit men. And that's
where they all were. I mean, what else would
make sense? You would think if something, if
that wasn't the case, those hunter SWAT guys
would be, you'd have those guys stacked up triple
wide down the hallway, waiting to reach that
door to get in there. But one guy shows up, doesn't
make any sense, man. It's not like it's where
I live or there's like no SWAT team and it's
just police guys, right? You have like 20 police
officers. That's it. Your SWAT team is doing
something and they're not at that party. They're
not at that event. They're not trying to breach
that door because they know it's going down.
And they're trying to get this king out because
they don't want a huge international incident
where somebody from Saudi Arabia that's either
the king or the prince getting assassinated.
Like that's their priority at that point. One
of the things I know about, and I'm assuming
it, I don't know the exact time frame of overlap
here, but I'm assuming at that time, they still
had a full -time SWAT team. It means that they
always had a SWAT team on duty within the Las
Vegas metropolitan area. So there was always
guys on duty. And we talk about high profile
events. Jason Aldean is a high profile event.
So you would have your SWAT team there. Even
if you don't, let's pretend we don't know the
Crown Prince is there, right? Like you would
have them at that event already. Though I could
see them escorting them out of the city though.
I think police officers training is a kind of
serve and protect the masses. So that's like
where they would go. They'd give them like one
officer and be like, beat feet. We're going to
go deal with all this gunfire that's happening.
What I, the most logical theory that comes to
my mind is a split scene, meaning that we don't
know where the gunfire is coming from. So you,
you go there, us three will go into the crowd
and somebody go to the hanger, right? Like you
have this split active scene where you're bouncing
around and you don't know where to actually put
your resources. So you split the team. up in
order to accomplish those tasks. That's the only
way I could see that team. And most teams don't
ever split. It's not a routine thing that happens.
But I think if it's like a swore zone and there's
like gunfire at multiple different locations,
they're just trying to put assets and experts,
embed it with police resources. Meaning, because
you're on the SWAT team, right? You're an expert
in firearms and breaching and all this stuff.
So go with these five police officers and run
this tag team in order to breach that door and
tag team to run to the airport and the tag team
to hit the crowd. And so you're splitting your
resources that way to give somebody the localized
expert with people that probably don't know what
the hell they're doing and doing these breaching
exercises and engage in active shooters. So I
can see with the chaos that you're just kind
of. You're splitting your resources to tackle
everything. But the only thing that throws a
wrench into that theory to me is that they waited
so damn long to brace the door. A lot of these
scenes have now gone from hot to cold. So you
know where better to place your resources and
to kind of collect everything. So that's what
I find weird is when it eventually brings you
that door, it's a cold scene. Everybody knows
it's a cold scene. Everybody knows this guy's
dead or gone. He's not there. Well, I mean, I
would think, too, if he knew where he was on
the 32nd floor. Apparently, that's what the Las
Vegas Police Department said. I mean, there's
audio. You can hear somebody shooting up there.
According to that, I would just send, I'm like,
are you... All you MFers go up there and just
take this out. But like one guy shows up like,
hey guys, let's go. Let's see if that's gonna
reach. I know if I was a cop and many cops that
I served with, if it was just me, I would breach
the door by myself, right? Because you have somebody
shooting down from a 32nd floor. At least that's
the theory that's given to us. And it's an active
threat, right? It's not like he's contained.
I mean, I guess he's contained into a room, but
he has easy access to kill first responders,
to kill more people. So it's an active threat.
Unless you have strong suspicion that he ran
out of ammunition, you're going to like actively
engage that threat. And that's the training that's
been given to officers really since post 9 -11,
right? When the communication protocols started
linking up and all those things started happening
is I from day one out of police academy, I was
trained on active shooter response. And basically
you form up and go or do it the best you can.
And that's when they started handing out back
in like 2015 ish. It was like really rich. for
every officer to have an M4 and if they didn't
they had a shotgun at least but it kind of looked
like a tag team when you have six officers with
M4s I think you can deal with the threat most
officers are Pretty effective, right? If you
look at the officer count and how many people
actually came from the military and have already
trained on this equipment, it's pretty high,
right? So you have combat veterans that may not
even be on the SWAT team that are in the police
force. So yeah, I mean, they might, they might
be better at it than SWAT guys that they spent
three years in Iraq or Afghanistan or something.
It's still like, but like still like, so like
you want to talk tactics, right? So you mentioned
a good point. This guy has elevation, right?
I think you would hit that hard and heavy knowing
he's on the 32nd floor. He's dropping people
on the ground and he's like, why would you wait?
Knowing that first responders are gonna come
and he's got the high ground. Do you have to
hit that like it was yesterday at that point?
Like you just, I don't care if you drive a, get
a car up there and drive it through the door.
You're hitting that with everyone you have. Right.
And like you said, once why guy, I mean, whatever.
Maybe the other cops were vets and they can clear
a room like no other. I think the video would
suggest. something different there. Like I, and
when I say that, it just seems like they weren't
really, it seemed like, it seems like they weren't
concerned. It was like, they weren't scared.
And again, it was a cold scene. It was, yeah.
But you know what I mean? You don't want to,
there's somewhere, there's somewhere and there's,
and there's an hour after you saw here, machine
gun fire going on at different parts of the city.
I argue. I mean, again, I just fall back to the
same point. These SWAT guys were busy helping
this. High -value target get out of town Yeah,
I mean it's think about would you be nervous
breaching that door after waiting 20 minutes
after? Multiple thousands of rounds go off and
you're just sitting there listening and I don't
think everything stops one or three the guys
killed himself The guys ran out of ammunition
or he's just setting you up a trap, but that's
probably unlikely So I mean I would be nervous
at all breaching that door I would. I mean, so,
I mean, this is like a civilian standpoint, right?
So either he's ratting in the corner, just waiting
for you to break through and he's over this hose
all year. It means I don't kill all y 'all. He
might kill you or he's got bombs set up in there.
That's what I'm worried about. Like he just dumped
how many thousand rounds. How do I know when
I breach his doors, I don't go off. That's what
I'm worried about. That's why he got breaching
there, right? Well, I'm saying like he's in the
corner with a vest and just pushing the button.
The next thing you know, the whole 30 second
floor is gone. That that's what I'm not so concerned
about breaching an orient shot. I mean, I mean
that is a high concern I'm more concerned about
I breached the door the whole team gets in there.
He's like a few, a few guys. This blows the whole
thing up. That's what I'm worried about more
than anything else. I guarantee it. We were looking
at it from a very layman's term, right? But I
think about some of the devices we had, I guarantee
there were listening devices. People were listening
into that room, right? They were probably using
other devices that could see heat signatures
and this dude just laying on the ground, not
moving, right? Like they probably had a lot of
technical equipment there that tells them that
this guy's probably dead. The other interesting
thing, they found 50 pounds of Tannerite in the
guy's trunk in the garage, the parking garage,
which was interesting. He never brought that
upstairs. And do you know what Tannerite's used
for? It's part of explosion. I mean, an explosive
device. Right. So you, but yeah, usually people
use Tannerite when they shoot. So they put like
a block of Tannerite, I can say, let's say a
hundred yards. I don't think it's like a super,
I mean, yes, this is explosive, but I think people
choose other stuff to make. bombs with, but it's
typically used for recreational shooters to shoot.
Cause once you shoot it, it blows up and it looks
cool. So it's not necessarily a weapon as is
more of like a fireworks show. So I think that
kind of layers up on top of the theory that this
guy was displaying weapons and his objective
was to say, Hey, here are all my cool guns. Let
me sell them to you. How about tomorrow we go
out. I got some Tannerite. We'll go to the middle
of the desert. I cut a block so we can shoot
them. And after that, hopefully he's hoping he
gets a cell. Do you think they were wired though?
Was he hoping to use it as a distractionary device
to say, I'm not here, I'm over here? You talking
about like, was he trying to blow up the car?
Maybe like whether blow up the car or simulate
gunshots to send law enforcement. No, so like
it was just Tanner I it wasn't wired or I mean
as far as I can I don't know that much about
Tanner I just know it's explosive material, but
I don't yeah, usually people operational shooting
Yeah, usually people use it to shoot because
they wouldn't you shoot it like it the compression
makes it blow Does it sound like a gunshot or
does it like I think it just blows up like anything
else like a firecracker? Okay But it wasn't wired.
It wasn't like the device was wired to blow.
Like it was just 50 pounds of this block of tannerite
in his truck. Do you think some of that was used
to simulate secondary gunfire at different locations
though? I don't think so. That could be a possibility,
right? Me and Nan, that's a good point. But I
don't think it would do the whole machine gun
burst thing though. You would just hear like
a burst. I think it's more evidence to suggest
that he was trying to sell guns. And he was hoping
that when these guys came up, They see the guns,
they drink, get messed up, maybe go gamble. He
probably was hoping for like a few extra bucks.
Hey, give me some money to gamble because I'm
kind of my luck. Next day we're going to go out
and shoot. We'll shoot some Tannerite, you know,
kind of get the dopamine spikes. And the guy's
like, yeah, here's a hundred K for these 40 year
guns or whatever. I think that's, I think that's
what it was. There's a lot going on here. There's
still a lot to unpack, but what do you think,
what's your final takeaway for tonight? I think,
okay, so my theory, and again, this is, I don't,
I mean, sometimes, you know, I always hate to
say conspiracy because nine times out of 10 conspiracy
tends to be right, right? So my theory, which
may have, which I may be incorrect in, I think
he met some women. He's a, you know, sixties
plus year old guy. down in his luck. One of them,
yeah, I think one of them was his wife, knew
him, she was, I think she was a Filipina, knew
he had a bunch of guns, introduced him to some
people, two other girls who, you know, knew he
had a bunch of firearms. And somehow they had
a connection with someone and probably terrorist
related. He probably knew or didn't know or didn't
care, right? He's like, all right, I'll sell
my guns to terrorists. I need money. It doesn't
matter as long as I'm not, you know, tied back
to it. I think they arranged a buy. He wasn't
entirely sure who he was selling to and he decided
to rent a hotel room, two rooms connected, 32nd
floor. Wanted to impress them because he wanted
a big payday. He brought all the guns up, displayed
them. I think the people came up. He was like,
you know, give them this whole spiel, show them
the guns. They popped them. They dropped a few,
they started shooting from the rooftops at these
people to cause distraction. And then they called
their hit team to try to kill either the, I can't,
it's either the prince or the king. The king
was never verified to be there, but there's still
some anecdotal evidence that he was. They were
either trying to kill the king or prince. And
next thing you know, there's a rolling gun fight
through the streets and he was shot in the chest.
dumped into the crowd on their way out. They
popped in the head, got out of there, got on
the rooftops, ran through, got down somehow.
The other team was trying to assassinate this
King Prince and they got onto the runway, helicopter
landed, sorted them out. The hit guys just got
out of town. That's what I think it was. I think
that was a convenient narrative for the U .S.
government because they don't want to think there's
a rolling battlefield in Las Vegas. What do you
think? It's I think it's a very good theory,
right? I'm not gonna I Think it's a very confusing
situation. I think for that theory to be successful
You would have to have inside collaboration with
the Las Vegas Police Department because I don't
think you get away with it without it, right?
like I don't think you have this exit strategy
to be able to fire off all these rounds and and
Logically get down the stairwell without interference
from law enforcement at some point in time You
know at least running into them or I find it
rare that you are able to fire off that many
rounds and get away with it. So I think it's
a very good theory. I don't really know, right?
Like, when you read all this evidence, I think
there's so much that is obscured from what we
have access to that I can't really apply a lot
of my traditional, like, forensics reviews and
investigative abilities to. I just think it's
all, you know, we're all trying to understand,
but nobody wants... It's like trying to understand
Area 51, right? Like, because so many things
are obscured from us. And what I can say is I've
seen gunshot wounds turn into... to drowning
deaths. I've been in courtrooms where cocaine
turns into marijuana. I've seen all this kind
of government cover -up kind of stuff that does
occur. So I know it happens. I think it's a good
possibility. The US government, if that is accurate,
the US government's never going to tell you.
It's always going to be hidden from our view,
and we'll never know that it existed. But I think
it's a very good possibility. I think it's pretty
convenient that, you know, Mohammed bin Salam,
if I'm saying his name correctly, he was at that
hotel. It was during the Saudi Arabia purge when
these events were occurring and they were cutting
up journalists and they were they're trying to
depose all these people and kind of freeze them
out of the government. So and you know, you have
the Islamic State that are coming out and claiming
responsibility for it. And if you're a government
official and you want to take out some people
and in an unofficial capacity almost because
you're going after them, you'd probably use the
Islamic State in order to kind of function in
that capacity to do your dirty work. And there's
a lot of things that connect Osama bin Laden
to the Saudi Arabia as well. So they have been
kind of trading those corridors for a long time,
but the US government's never going to tell you
that happened. But I think it's a pretty good
fit. So I want you to please mine. So My only
question for you, main shooting happens, right?
Let's just say it's Stephen Paddock, 32nd floor,
dumps on a crowd, kills himself. What are the
gunshots after the fact? Like an hour after the
fact, you hear a burst. What is that? There's
very little explanation for if this guy's already
dead and not shooting. There's either a sympathetic
fire, there's people mistaking the shooter and
seeing some guy with a gun, whether it's a law
enforcement officer in plain clothes, a scared
civilian carrying a CCW and firing rounds at
each other. I've been in places like during Hurricane
Katrina where I've held FBI agents at gunpoint
and they're pointing their Fords at me because
nobody knows what the hell is going on. that
state of confusion and panic where nobody knows
what the hell's going on can breed some bad stuff
that occurs, but outside of that kind of like,
just like fog of war that's happening, there's
not a great explanation for it unless he also
had a diversionary device, right? If what he
says like he barred the door, he had this L -bracket
that would prevent people from breaching it initially.
And you said he had the, I forget what you called
it, but the gun target practice stuff in his
vehicle. That's kind of right. He could have
set up secondary devices because I think people
with a tactical mindset, right? If they plan
to escape that situation, most, let's be clear,
most mass shooters don't plan to escape, right?
They plan to kill as many people as they can
and kill themselves. But if his plan was to escape
that event and kind of end up like his father
on the America's Most Wanted and, you know, the
top 10 list and he wanted to get away with it,
perhaps he set up secondary distractions that
weren't real gunfire, but were like distractionary
devices that drew resources away. Because if
you're planning your escape, you want to pull
people from the scene to give you more opportunity
to get out of there. I just say, I think that
the one thing that kind of sticks out to me.
So like, according to the mainstream, like you
dump 1100 rounds into a crowd, right? Jesus Campos
comes up to your door and you shoot him through
the door, right? You still have another hour
before those cops breach your door. Why didn't
you dump the rest of the 4 ,000 rounds you have?
You think you just go to town. I've been found
out. I'm just going to keep dumping my rounds.
Why all of a sudden, like, as Zeus Campos comes
out, you shoot him through the door. bus's leg
and then you decide all right it's time to check
out I feel like I feel like you would be like
all right I'm gonna go out and stop dump every
clip I have and I'm suicide by cop at that point
or jump out the window I still have a lot of
guns with a lot of ammo I'm gonna keep dumping
like why all some time out what I've seen in
the past and this may not explain this particular
scenario, right, is that they can't live with
the shame, meaning that if you're standing on
the 32nd floor, spraying and praying, right,
just shooting a bunch of rounds, you're looking
at ants that you're shooting at. You're not seeing
the blood. You're not seeing the gore. You're
not seeing the panic and cries and all this stuff.
When you shoot somebody up close, it's personal,
right? And it's a bunch different scenario than
somebody really far away. So a lot of people,
like, once they do it, they just can't live with
the shame anymore. Like, what the hell did I
just do? I know I'm just going to check out.
once someone came to his door, he kind of realized
that he was like a beast. I think he realized
he was screwed, right? Like in my opinion, if
he is the shooter, he's now shot some, like people
know where he's at. He just shot somebody and
he probably has a good inclination. He may not
have killed them and he's not exiting, right?
So he knows resources are coming this way and
he's probably now seeing like screams. That guy
was screaming like how, which could you not,
right? Like getting hit and trying to live with
that shame. And, and a lot of people are like,
well, what if I do? captured and not die, right?
Like, I don't want to take that chance because
I don't actually want to face the music for all
the horrible crap that I just brought onto the
world and the families that were at these events.
So they checked out early. You make a good point.
I think the only thing that kind of just looking
at the evidence, the fact that there was a dried
bloodshot wound on his chest and the fresh bloodshot
wound in his head, that's a little weird. That's
almost impossible. I mean, I just tell you from
experience is almost impossible. And I think
it's that point zero zero one that I've seen
it before is point zero zero. You just never
see it. It just doesn't happen. I've seen people
shoot themselves many times and they get medical
help afterward and they end up surviving. I've
seen guys blast their face off with shotguns
and survive. But it's very rare to do that follow
up around. And it's almost impossibility that
you do it. Several, I don't know, an hour later
or however long it takes the blood to dry. I'm
assuming a significant amount of time because
it's an active bleed. I don't even know, did
he pack his wound? What the hell is he doing
with this bullet wound? It's just to dry up.
But it's very rare. I think of all things I've
heard, I think for me, that's the biggest kind
of smoking gun. That doesn't make a lot of sense.
It almost seems like someone shot him. They dumped
onto the crowd briefly for 10 minutes. I think
what happened was he went up to the room. He
closed the door. They were talking for like two
minutes. They popped them and then they were
setting everything up. Maybe waited an hour,
dumped it to the crowd for 10 minutes on their
way out. Captain, they shot Jesus in the leg
and then tapped the other guy and just a fresh
wound and got out. I don't know how they got
out. They must've had something. laid out to
the T. I could see, right? Because one of the
things you were telling me is that a cop had
breached the door and fired rounds. Yeah. Right?
Like inadvertently, apparently to his report.
One of the things I could see is this guy shot
himself in the chest and he died from that wound.
Cop entered the room, saw a man laying on the
floor with a gun near him, got nervous and shot
him in the head. And I just never reported that.
So I think he, yeah, I mean, that's a good point.
I can't remember. I felt like when they breached
the first room, they saw him dead. And they were
kind of getting their wits about them. And like
five minutes later, they breached the other room,
like the second room. And then when they breached
that room, that's when the guy did the desk pop.
But I don't think he was in that room. He was
in the first room they breached. So I don't know,
man. It's an interesting story. I think there's
enough evidence to suggest that. I mean, whether
or not Stephen Paddock shot, didn't shoot, I
think there was something else going on. I mean,
I'm not trying to absolve him of what he did
or didn't do. I don't really have an opinion.
I'd lean toward him not shooting, and I lean
toward him not being willingly involved. But
either way, even if he was involved, even if
he was a shooter, something else was going on
inside that city after the fact. Sure. Yeah,
it's one of the crazier stories that we have
out there. Like I said, I don't, it's hard because
we don't have all the details. So it's hard to
pinpoint what exactly occurred. I could argue
both ways, right? The Saudi Arabia connection
is very convincing. The honeypot theory is very
convincing to me. It also could just be kind
of some stupidity that would be convincing to
why law enforcement screwed it up. Yeah, man.
And with any profession, you have mistakes and
mistakes can happen when you're under intense
pressure and intense fear and your day to day
job is nothing like that one incident where you
might have once in your career and you're like,
what the heck? I forgot all my training all of
a sudden. This sucks. Sure. Yeah, it happens
all the time, man. People freak out and they
learn they shouldn't be a cop anymore. At least
the good ones do because they go do something
different. But what do you want to leave the
audience with tonight? man it's been a while
since we had an episode we uh we had christmas
new years i had vacation my brother was sick
so it's our first episode in a few weeks uh same
thing i like to say all the time jesus loves
you we love you i love you brother and uh man
i think with anything that you see in the media
you have to question you really have to question
it's not about left or right it's really about
what's right and what's wrong right You don't
have to be a Republican, Democrat. Still, at
the end of the day, man, it's about what's right
and what's wrong. And I wouldn't die on a hill
just because, you know, you're blue or red. You
have to observe each situation for what it is,
put it up against God's word. And these are discernment
because, brother, the more and more I see in
today's world, the more and more crazy and confusing.
It's actually not even that confusing. It's just
crazy. I think the difference between right and
wrong is not even gray anymore. It's black and
white. I see a lot of concerning things going
on and it worries me. It worries me because I
think we're getting close. It's raising kids
that worries me. I'm older now so I look forward
to the return of Christ. It's your kids and what
life are they going to grow up with before we
get there? That is scary. But like you said,
man, it's good to be back. We have a lot more
coming. I'm sure we're going to have a lot more
interesting interviews as we tread down the course.
I kind of call this our season two because it's
our upstart in year two. You know, we did a lot
of episodes in 2025 or here in 2026 now and we're
kicking things off a little later than we wanted
to just because of, you know, vacation and holidays
and man, that flu is... nasty. Take care of yourself
if you're sick out there. But love you brother.
And like you said, man, use discernment. It's
not right or blue. It's right or wrong. And you
know, I'm not a very political person. So I'm
under the impression that whether it's red or
blue, everybody's looking to take advantage of
you one way or another. So I think most of it's
bullshit. So yeah, use your use your discernment.
Stay close to your Bible. Read the word of God
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