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filters, no bullshit. Let's crack it open. At

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this time, I'm going to ask you to fasten your

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seatbelts. Welcome back to Zero Signal. My name

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is David. I'm sitting here, as always, with my

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co -host, Jay. Before we start tonight, this

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episode involves mass violence and loss of life.

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So viewer discretion is advised. And just so

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you know, we're not here to sensationalize this.

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We're here to understand what happened, what

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we know for sure, and why so many people still

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argue about it. Exactly. So let's rewind to the

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night of October 1st, 2017. More than 22 ,000

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people were packed into the Route 91 Harvest

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Festival, an outdoor show at the Las Vegas Village

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across the Mandala Bay. It's a normal concert

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night. until it isn't. And the reason is because

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it becomes one of the darkest nights in modern

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American history. The attack doesn't happen inside

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the crowd. It actually comes from above it. At

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around 10 05 p .m. gunfire starts from the 32nd

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floor of the Mandala Bay. The FBI summary says

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the shooting begins around the time and it continues

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for roughly about 11 minutes with the gunmen

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firing over 1000 rounds into the crowd. People

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in the audience don't immediately process it

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as gunfire. Some think it's fireworks. Some think

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it's, you know, speakers popping. Some don't

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understand anything at all until people start

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falling on the ground and the sound doesn't stop.

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And one of the most important grounding numbers

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it tells you the scale is the ammunition count

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investigators later tied to the attack reporting

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based on the final las vegas metropolitan pd

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investigation finding states the shooter unleashed

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1049 rounds at the crowd below and the assault

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lasted a total of 11 minutes 11 minutes man imagine

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that getting rained on for 11 minutes that's

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an eternity that's insanity and on the ground

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those 11 minutes feel like a lifetime people

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run fall crawl hide behind whatever they can

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Some try to pull strangers to safety. Some are

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hit and can't move. And there's another layer

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to this story that becomes a big source of controversy

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later. What's happening inside Mandala Bay while

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the shooting is underway. A Mandala Bay security

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officer, Jesus Campos, is sent up to investigate

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alarms on the 32nd floor. He finds a stairwell

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door that's been blocked with this L bracket

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screwed into the door and frame. And he reports

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it. Then he hears what he describes as a rapid

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drilling sound coming from the shooter's room.

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When he moves down the hallway, gunfire erupts

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and he's hit in the leg. Investigators later

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describe the hallway itself. They document extensive

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bullet strikes, but they state that the strikes

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were caused by approximately 35 rounds fired

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down the Manila Bay hallway from inside the shooter's

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room. It gets kind of crazy here. Inside the

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hotel room timeline is one of the reasons people

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started saying the story didn't really add up.

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Exactly. And we'll get into that, but to stay

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with the verified spine of the night for one

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more minute. Outside the scene becomes pure chaos.

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People flooding exits, climbing barriers, trying

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to get out of a fenced in venue while rounds

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keep coming down. And at the same time, first

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responders are arriving into a situation where

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the initial information is kind of fragmented

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because the sound is echoing. Calls are coming

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in from everywhere and early reports are pretty

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messy. Now, here's where the official response

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timeline shows at the tactical end. Later that

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night, a strike team breaches the shooter's room.

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The FEMA after action timeline records that time

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as 1120 p .m. The team makes entry into room

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32 -135 and reports the shooter is down from

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an apparent self -afflicted gunshot wound. So

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the shooting itself is about 11 minutes but the

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fear and confusion lasts hours and the trauma

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obviously is going to last years. Yeah so let's

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talk numbers because people hear Las Vegas shooting

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and they think they know it but most don't realize

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how massive the casualty count was and how extensive

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it was after the fact. You're exactly right.

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So maybe we'll be precise here. That night and

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in the immediate aftermath, 58 people were killed

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and the FEMA after action report describes more

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than 850 injured, including first responders.

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And the injuries weren't all the same type. The

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same FEMA report response describes more than

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800 victims, including more than 400 gunshot

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wound victims. A later breakdown attributed to

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the final Las Vegas Metropolitan PD investigation

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accounting states investigators confirmed approximately

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413 gunshots. or shrapnel injury victims, and

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approximately 360 who sustained injuries other

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than gunshot or shrapnel injuries, meaning injuries

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from fleeing falls and the kind of the stampede

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dynamics that happen when thousands of people

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think they're about to die. And there's also

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the death toll question, because people argue

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about this online constantly. The night itself,

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the number that's remembered is 58. But years

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after, two additional victims died from a complications

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linked to injuries from the shooting. In Clark

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County's... site notes that the official number

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of people who have died as a result of injuries

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from October 1st is 60. So when people say it

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was 58 or 60 they're usually talking about different

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cutoffs in time but it's not different realities.

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I think the difference in reality comes between

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what the mainstream media says and what the reports

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on the ground at the time say. Yeah I think you're

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exactly right. It appears that we're not getting

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all the facts of this investigation. In fact,

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it's a little bit weird how a lot of these details

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come out later, right? Like many, many years

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after the event occurred, we started learning

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new stuff. I think that's an important habit

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for this entire episode, right? When something

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doesn't match, first question is what definition

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is being used and what time window are we talking

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about? That alone kind of dissolves a lot of

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that fake gotcha contradictions people build

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on theories. Now there's one more big piece that

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we need to set down because it's the foundation

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under almost every conspiracy claim. After the

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attack, the local police department FBI investigate.

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The FBI's behavioral analysis unit summary states

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they found no evidence the attack was motivated

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by ideological or political beliefs, and they

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conclude the shooter conspired with no one and

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acted alone. That doesn't magically answer everything

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people want answered. Motive is still widely

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described as unclear, but it matters because

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there's differences between we don't know why

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and therefore anything is possible. But I don't

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always buy it. We've seen a lot of that in the

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Charlie Kirk. shooting as well, where maybe it's

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a Patsy. And I think in that gap, for me personally,

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and we'll talk about our conclusions at the end

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of this episode, but I almost feel like this

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guy's a Patsy. In that gap between the lone shooter

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and I think what we'll talk about here, I think

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the internet kind of goes wild, but I think there's

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a lot of evidence to suggest that I don't know

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if that man himself did it. There's a lot of

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conspiracy claims out there from international

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attention, Saudi Arabia that we'll likely get

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into, organized terror cells, multiple shooters.

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There is just a lot of evidence that's offered.

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conflicts with the official narrative that's

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being given out. And I think we do justice by

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investigating those claims, right, and trying

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to make a determination of maybe what we think

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happened. I come from a law enforcement background,

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so I can provide my opinion on some of these

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timelines and if they make sense. But I think,

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Jay, before we turn to theories, right, what

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part of the confirmed timeline do you think gets

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misunderstood the most? And why does that misunderstanding

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matter? Yeah, I think the whole Stephen Paddock

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lone shooter narrative isn't the full truth.

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Was he involved in some way? I think we'll explore

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that here. Do I think he did it? I'm leaning

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toward the side of no. I think he was a Patsy.

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I think when and we'll kind of muddle through

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this a bit, but I think Zeus Campos goes upstairs,

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he gets shot through a door, he kind of falls

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back. The police stand there and they wait an

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hour to breach the room and they find him dead.

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I just, I think with the evidence that has been

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found out and what we hear, what we'll talk about

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in this episode, I just don't think the mainstream

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narrative of this story is either contrived or

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they're hiding something. So that's kind of where

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I stand in this whole situation. Yeah, I think

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that makes a lot of good sense. And you mentioned

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Stephen Craig Paddock, right? I think it might

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be a good opportunity to kind of get into the

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shooter's background and see how he fits into

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this narrative. So Stephen was a 64 year old

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man living in Nevada who, by most outward descriptions,

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didn't look like the kind of person people expect

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to commit a mass shooting. Investigators describe

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him as having limited prior contact with law

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enforcement and no known criminal history. He

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owned homes in Mesquite and Reno, and he lived

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with with his girlfriend, which I think is her

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name is Marilu Nanali. His work history included

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accounting and involvement in the family's real

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estate business, and he traveled frequently in

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the years leading up to attack, including multiple

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international trips and cruises. I think one

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piece of his background that appears in the FBI's

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behavioral analysis is his family history. His

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father was a notorious bank robber and fugitive

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who had been placed on the FBI's 10 most wanted

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list in the late 1960s. The FBI's panel noted

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that... was influenced by the legacy and the

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ideal of his father's notoriety, even though

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Paddock's own life appeared on the surface as

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stable and pretty conventional. Where investigators

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saw a clear shift was in his weapon buying patterns.

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The Las Vegas Police Department's final investigation

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report described that over decades, roughly from

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the early 1980s through September of 2016, he

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bought about 29 firearms. And then the year before

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the attack, his purchasing accelerated dramatically,

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more than 55 additional firearms firearms, mostly

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rifles, plus more than 100 related items such

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as scopes, cases, bump stocks, and large amounts

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of ammunition. The FBI's behavioral analysis

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described this as a sustained deliberate period

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of preparation rather than a sudden impulsive

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change. Investigators also documented in the

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report the behavior that looked like planning

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and site testing. In September of 2017, he spent

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time at the Ogden in downtown Las Vegas during

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the period when the Life is Beautiful festival

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was happening nearby. and police noted he was

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seen moving multiple suitcases. Not long after,

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he checked into the Mandala Bay on September

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25th, 2017, reserving that room on the 32nd floor,

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room 135, with a scheduled checkout on October

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2nd. And he later added a second connected room

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at 134 on September 29th. Over several days,

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he transported multiple suitcases to the room

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and moved in and out of the Las Vegas and Mesquite,

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consistent with a methodical staging. The FBI's

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behavioral analysis unit panel concluded there

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was no evidence the attack was motivated by ideology

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or political beliefs, and they concluded he acted

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alone and conspired with no one. They also found

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no manifesto, suicide note, or recorded message

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that explained why he did it, which is part of

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why the motive remains so heavily disputed today.

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Their assessment, whether I agree with it or

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not, emphasized that he researched police response

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tactics, ballistics, and site selection, that

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he used surveillance cameras to monitor approach

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routes, suggesting he expected the plan for police

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response as part of how the attack would end.

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I find that a little bit of a stretch, right,

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to be motivated by your father's criminal history

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and late in life in your 60s to all of a sudden

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try to repeat some type of spectacular event.

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I mean, he had no criminal history and the purchasing

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of guns, I mean, And we purchased lots of guns

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just because we like guns. I mean, it doesn't

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mean we're bad people, right? So it's hard for

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me to hang that hat on him when he had no criminal

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background. He was living a very normal life

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up until this event occurred. Yeah, I think it's

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a little bit sketchy because I think people like

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to conflate the fact that his father was in the

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FBI most wanted list to the fact that, you know,

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of course he's going to be a criminal. Like,

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I don't think those things line up. I mean, maybe

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there's, you know, with other people, maybe there's

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like a line of thought, but I don't think this

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applies with him. I mean, so like in reality,

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like, you know, so Stephen Paddock had a pretty

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extensive background working for the government.

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His first job, a US postal service carrier in

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the seventies, like big deal, whatever. I mean,

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yeah, you work for the government, but it's not

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that ingrained. There's tens of thousands of

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postmen. He worked for the IRS for about six

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years between the seventies and eighties. So

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this is kind of where it gets interesting. He

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worked in auditing for the defense contract audit

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agency for about a year. And then later worked

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for predecessor of the defense contractor that

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eventually became part of Lockheed Martin. So

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people want to say he was never involved in the

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government. I mean, he has a pretty freaking

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extensive involvement in the government. And

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when I see Lockheed Martin, you know, I mean,

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what's Lockheed Martin do? They're defense contractor,

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weapons, planes, jets, whatever. So he does have

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some roots in that. So, you know, I see him buying

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weapons. I mean, whatever, dude. Just because

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someone buys guns because he, you know, might

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be well off. doesn't mean you're trying to shoot

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up people, man. Yeah. I know they kind of list

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him as an accountant and they try to breeze over

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the fact that he didn't have any governmental

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connections. I think a lot of it probably comes

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from embarrassment on the government's part.

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They don't want to admit that this was kind of

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a guy on the inside. I know every company I've

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ever worked for, law enforcement agency, you're

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pretty close to the accountants, right? They

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fund all of your cool stuff. They pay all your

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bills. So they know a lot of facts and circumstances

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that are occurring within that space, which I

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find... fun, interesting. Yeah. So Dave, so I

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found this cool website. It's called biggest

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shooting .com and it kind of breaks down the

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whole timeline of events. It's an interactive

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map. There's like little drop pins all over a

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Google map and it has the 911 calls, police cameras,

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all that stuff. So to start at 9 40 PM, an unidentified

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Hispanic woman with a male companion warns the

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crowd. You're all going to die. and she was eventually

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escorted out by security and she was never publicly

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identified. Obviously, there's no details, no

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body cams of this footage, but there's multiple

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witnesses saying somebody is running through

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the crowd giving this warning. At 959 Mandalay

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Bay, security guard Jesus Campos investigates

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a fire alarm going off on the 32nd floor. As

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he's doing this, he's shot in the leg. Through

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a door, the claim is that it's Stephen Paddock.

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As we go through this, we'll come to different

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conclusions. So campus at this time, radio's

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shots fired on the 32nd floor. I'm hit. And Stephen

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Schock, a building engineer, later confirms this

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in the interview. But as this is going down,

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Stephen Schock says he hears approximately 200

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rounds go off, very close to him. So at tonal

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five, Paddock, or again, as we'll. later investigate,

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other shooters break two windows on the 32nd

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floor, room 135, and begin firing 12 bursts over

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10 minutes on the festival crowd. This kind of

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puts into perspective, there's 22 ,000 people

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at this festival, a Jason Maldine concert, and

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hits a fuel tank and obviously several people.

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There's several videos showing the chaos that

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ensues. So on this map, you can see all the calls

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coming in at VegasShooting .com. Very interesting,

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by the way. Hundreds of phone calls coming in.

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Muffles, the 911. All saying there was an active

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shooter on Route 91. Bullets hitting the stage,

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this fuel tank and other people. So between 10

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-05 and 10 -15, obviously if you're getting shot

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at in the 22 ,000 person crowd, panic starts

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to spread. Crowds flee eastward toward McCarran

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Airport, breach into perimeter fence. 300 people

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entered restricted area like runaways and hangars.

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At this point, people in the hangars are calling

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in for an active shooter, which is bizarre because...

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Why would there be an active shooter and hanger

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when it's lone gunman, Stephen Paddock on the

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32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay? So again, between

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12, or I'm sorry, 1012 and 1215, the first Las

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Vegas Metropolitan Police officers show up at

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the Mandalay Bay. Reports of shots from multiple

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floors between the 29th and 32nd, officers are

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standing in wait for SWAT. But this is kind of

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where it gets weird, man. You have to let me

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know what you think with your extensive background

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in law enforcement. Guess how long these guys

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wait to breach that door. I feel like they waited

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hours, right? Didn't they wait a super long time?

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They waited 50 minutes, man. Jesus Campo gets

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shot in the leg. Again, like we said, Jesus Campo

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gets shot at 9 .59. Las Vegas Police Department

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shows up between 10, 12, and 10 .15. So less

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than 20 minutes they show up. They breach. After

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1115, why would they do that? I mean, I, at this

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point, I'm just talking to that cop. Wouldn't

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you just hit that hard and fast? Yeah. I mean,

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SWAT is a luxury where I come from, right? It

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takes a long time for SWAT to get on scene. So

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you have to act fast. And when it comes to an

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active shooter, I mean, you way further off,

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like you're not going to go solo, like, you know,

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Rambo by yourself and go take him out. But if

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there is an active threat to the community, you're

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going to get one or two of your good buddies

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and you're going to go ahead and breach that

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door. After post 9 -11, it was standard to have

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an M4 in your patrol car. Most people had it

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and everybody was trained on it. We were trained

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for these particular scenarios. you would farm

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up a team with three or four people and you would

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breach that door immediately. From time of shooting

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of report and response, let's say it's delayed

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because there's a mega crowd out there and everybody's

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going nuts and you can't get to the scene right

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away. I can't imagine it would take longer than

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10 minutes from time of report to breaching that

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door. That'd be realistic in my opinion. Yeah.

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I mean, it's kind of confusing. I also think

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of some of these like school shootings you hear

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about. I think there was one... Man, I'm the

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ones the names escaping me But it took like the

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cops like an hour and a half to go in there like

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you have an active shooter in there Why are you

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waiting an hour and a half? Like if you're the

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first guy on the scene like someone's shooting

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a bunch of kids You better get your ass in there,

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dog. That's what I'm saying. That's why he was

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charged criminally with 249 counts of child neglect

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because of that event. It should have been. Yeah,

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but he was eventually found not guilty just like

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a week or two ago, but he was charged. Because

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you're scared? Like, I mean, yeah, you're scared.

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I mean, what'd you sign up for? Yeah. I mean,

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I'm like, listen, I might die. I told my parents,

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my wife, my kids, I love them. I'm going in.

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Tell the boys, let them know I'm in there, you

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know? These guys wait. I can tell you, I've been

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to a few active shooter scenes in my career.

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Some turned out to be, you know, nothing at all.

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I've responded to schools where they thought

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they've had an active shooter. I've been the

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first one on the scene and I've gone in with

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a pistol. All right, and no, in plain clothes

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and a pistol, they're like, there was reports

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of a guy with an AR -15 roaming the hallways

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and somebody said he was shot. But I was nearby

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in my unmarked police car. it with a pistol and

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I went into that school by myself and I was clearing

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it for like 10 minutes for the next officer showed

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up but that's what you do like you said that's

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what you sign up for I think that's what ultimately

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God as being a Christian man like he commands

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us to do if you're gonna die because of that

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that's a good reason to go down is protecting

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children I can't think of a lot better one right

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so I was always happy to respond and and I can

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say for the most part of the people that I served

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with would do the exact same thing as me right

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like they would respond and go in Yeah, I mean,

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it gets a little confusing. So they stack out

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outside this room for 50 minutes, right? So I

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guess the official narrative is that they had

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a SWAT team there. But if you kind of look at

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the video and look at the official documents

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after the fact, the stuff that was released because

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of legal action, there was one SWAT guy there.

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So a bunch of these cops are waiting for this

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one SWAT guy to come in. So anyway, they wait

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50 minutes, right? I mean, the shots, at least

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in the building, and we'll get to the shots outside

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the building here in a minute, the shots in the

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building were done. Like long gone. So they're

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standing outside this door and there's an interesting

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police video for these guys, breach the door,

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right? So they, I guess they put a breach charge.

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I don't know why. I don't know why you couldn't

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kick the damn door down, but they, they breach

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it. They go in and pretty quickly they realized

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that there's no one in there except for a dead

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Steven Paddock. So they're, they're walking in.

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So I'm just trying to recap this video. And you

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can watch this video on lasvegasshooting .com

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or you can watch it on YouTube. So, before they

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breach, they tell the cops to turn their body

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cams off. Why in the hell would you tell the

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cops to turn their body cams off, right? One

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guy didn't. I don't know if he didn't because

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he didn't want to or because he thought he did

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and left it on by accident. But everyone else,

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his body cams are off. So you see these guys

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breach. They actually don't seem very scared.

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Which is bizarre. I don't know. I'm not a cop.

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I've never been a cop. I haven't fought in the

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war. You've been a cop. I assume as you're breaching,

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like you're, you're jacked. You're amped up,

00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:09.559
like you're ready to go, right? You're not like

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just talking to your brother on some podcast.

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It's crap. You know, your adrenaline's pumping.

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These guys look like they're about to just like

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kind of like, it's like a practice run, right?

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They don't seem nervous. They don't seem, unless

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they're like complete psychopaths and they don't

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still feel fear. I doubt you can get. seven or

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eight guys together and not all of them are psychopaths,

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but who knows? They've reached this door, they

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walk in, they clear it, and they're like, yeah,

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all right, there's a dead guy. And one guy walks

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up to the window, he's like, there's no holes

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in the window. And the guy's like, check the

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other window. And he's like, there's nothing.

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He's like, there's no holes in these windows.

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And, you know, as you watch the body cam footage,

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they're kind of just kind of mulling around,

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like, kind of like la -di -da. And, you know,

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yeah, there's a dead guy here. And they show

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all the guns. But you don't really see many gun

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casings, man. And that's kind of outside the

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narrative because they said there was like over

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a thousand rounds, somewhere between like a thousand

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fifteen hundred, but there's really not much

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on the ground for a guy running between one window

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and the other. Apparently, according to the story,

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he's in one window, dumping the clip, run to

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the other window, dumping the clip, running back

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to the other gun, switching out, dumping the

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clip. I don't even know why you would do that.

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Like there were like 40 plus guns in there. Why

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wouldn't you just have them all stacked up, like

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one after another, just dumping, dumping, dumping?

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I mean, there's so many better ways to do what

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they claim he did. And I think the worst part

00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:36.420
about the video is like, as they're walking around,

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one guy's like, yo, there's some Pringles there.

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You want some? And the guy's like, yeah, I'll

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have some Pringles. Like, why are you touching

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anything in this room right now? Like, what is

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happening? That was one of the worst things I've

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ever seen, just coming from a law enforcement

00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:53.230
perspective, right, is... that it looked like

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a scene that had already been cleaned up almost

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because there was no crime scene integrity. I

00:23:57.769 --> 00:23:59.430
didn't see a lot of guns laying around. I didn't

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see a lot of shell casings laying around. I saw

00:24:01.670 --> 00:24:04.049
a lot of golden rolls that you're told from police

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academy that they were breaking that preserve

00:24:06.089 --> 00:24:07.809
the crime scene to make sure everything stays

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intact until, you know, the investigators get

00:24:10.190 --> 00:24:13.289
there. It all looked highly unusual. And I can

00:24:13.289 --> 00:24:15.690
tell you I've actually trained many times with

00:24:15.690 --> 00:24:17.490
the Las Vegas Police Department, right? I've

00:24:17.490 --> 00:24:19.230
been to their facilities. They've come out to

00:24:19.230 --> 00:24:20.990
my facilities. I used to be a commander of a

00:24:20.990 --> 00:24:23.460
SWAT team. I've worked with the commander of

00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:24.980
their SWAT team in the past. I don't know if

00:24:24.980 --> 00:24:27.559
he was connected to this event or not, but I've

00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:30.079
worked with them and they are highly professional.

00:24:30.380 --> 00:24:33.359
In my career, I've worked with, you know... police

00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:35.799
teams all over the country. And I would always

00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:38.180
say, yeah, Las Vegas is the leading edge. They're

00:24:38.180 --> 00:24:40.339
great. They're great at what they do. And of

00:24:40.339 --> 00:24:42.380
course, you have people that suck at every department.

00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.359
But overall, it's a great department. They're

00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.000
good at their job. And by looking at that video,

00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:49.839
it looks like every single person there is a

00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:52.480
rookie. And everyone's breaking the rules. And

00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:55.259
nothing lines up with the stated official narrative,

00:24:55.619 --> 00:24:58.119
which kind of gives you just this uneasy feeling

00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:00.299
when you're watching it. Yeah, it gets a little

00:25:00.299 --> 00:25:03.380
sketchy because as we progress on this episode,

00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:05.859
we'll kind of maybe touch on it, but we'll touch

00:25:05.859 --> 00:25:08.599
on it here now. I think one thing you'll find

00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:11.700
out is that most of those guns are like .308

00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:17.359
and .556, right? But there are clips of, I can't

00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:21.079
remember, so I don't want to misstate. So one

00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.410
of the two things is true. There are either AKs

00:25:24.410 --> 00:25:27.569
without clips or AK clips without AKs in the

00:25:27.569 --> 00:25:29.910
room. Like why would you bring, and I think it

00:25:29.910 --> 00:25:34.470
was the AK clips, like 7 .62 by 39 clips. Why

00:25:34.470 --> 00:25:36.769
would you bring the clips but not the gun? That

00:25:36.769 --> 00:25:39.069
doesn't make any sense. Or why would you bring

00:25:39.069 --> 00:25:41.109
the gun without the clips? Everything else is

00:25:41.109 --> 00:25:43.769
stacked up. Like why would you bring that? But

00:25:43.769 --> 00:25:47.230
there were no 7 .62 rounds anywhere. It was all

00:25:47.230 --> 00:25:50.990
either 3 .08 or 5 .56, which kind of, it gets

00:25:50.990 --> 00:25:53.549
a little sketchy there. I've never seen a single

00:25:53.549 --> 00:25:57.150
person active shooter or read about or seen on

00:25:57.150 --> 00:25:59.890
TV that bring more than like two firearms, right?

00:25:59.890 --> 00:26:01.650
You have a primary and a backup. So if their

00:26:01.650 --> 00:26:03.710
primary jams, they have their backup as their

00:26:03.710 --> 00:26:06.670
escape route or what have you, right? So I think

00:26:06.670 --> 00:26:09.309
in general, if you have one person acting alone

00:26:09.309 --> 00:26:12.750
to bring this like suite of guns really makes

00:26:12.750 --> 00:26:14.849
no sense to me either. And if you're going to

00:26:14.849 --> 00:26:18.329
be considered somebody that uses firearms routinely,

00:26:18.430 --> 00:26:19.930
like I'd get like a jam. Well, I don't know how

00:26:19.930 --> 00:26:22.049
to fix a jam because I suck. firearms so I'm

00:26:22.049 --> 00:26:24.329
just gonna pick up a new gun like we see with

00:26:24.329 --> 00:26:26.230
some people that just buy a gun and go do an

00:26:26.230 --> 00:26:28.650
active shooting but if you're somebody that understands

00:26:28.650 --> 00:26:31.910
them you can clear a jam fairly quickly and to

00:26:31.910 --> 00:26:34.970
bring an armada to suggest more than one person

00:26:34.970 --> 00:26:36.869
to me because why would you do that right like

00:26:36.869 --> 00:26:38.509
I feel like if you're gonna do an active shooter

00:26:38.509 --> 00:26:40.849
primary backup like you know you're good and

00:26:40.849 --> 00:26:43.980
then get out I can't understand just having multiple

00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:45.839
multiple weapons I can understand clips because

00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:47.579
it takes a lot of reload them if that's what

00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:50.420
you're gonna do But I can't understand just like

00:26:50.420 --> 00:26:53.059
I'm gonna have enough guns for 50 people to shoot

00:26:53.059 --> 00:26:55.339
Right, like I'm gonna have a whole like company

00:26:55.339 --> 00:26:57.940
of guys here just firing off doesn't make any

00:26:57.940 --> 00:27:00.539
sense I'm like, I mean obviously like we're very

00:27:00.539 --> 00:27:03.000
early in the timeline like I so I think this

00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.519
is kind of where we touch on it and This is gonna

00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:08.700
get conspiratorial for me in my opinion. I think

00:27:08.700 --> 00:27:11.910
and so Stephen Paddock He had two rooms in his

00:27:11.910 --> 00:27:14.309
name on the 32nd floor. They were connected.

00:27:14.829 --> 00:27:16.809
Like one of those, you know, when you go with

00:27:16.809 --> 00:27:18.890
your family, like you can get rooms that have

00:27:18.890 --> 00:27:20.789
like a door, you can close, you have privacy,

00:27:20.849 --> 00:27:24.109
but there's still two rooms. Both were in his

00:27:24.109 --> 00:27:27.170
name, but he apparently, there were three women

00:27:27.170 --> 00:27:29.970
with him on the other room. He brought, you know,

00:27:30.130 --> 00:27:33.250
40 something guns. In my opinion, I don't think

00:27:33.250 --> 00:27:35.569
this is a far reaching opinion. I think a lot

00:27:35.569 --> 00:27:37.670
of people came to this conclusion. I think he

00:27:37.670 --> 00:27:41.390
was there for an arms deal. You don't bring 40

00:27:41.390 --> 00:27:45.789
whatever guns to light people up, right? Like

00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:48.890
you said, you have maybe one or two, a sidearm,

00:27:49.509 --> 00:27:51.410
and you're just swapping mags the whole time.

00:27:52.430 --> 00:27:54.230
Like, why would you bring 42? Like, what are

00:27:54.230 --> 00:27:57.630
you doing with 42? That doesn't make sense. I

00:27:57.630 --> 00:27:59.269
mean, yeah, they say some of the guns are on

00:27:59.269 --> 00:28:02.009
tripods. Okay, you want a better firing position,

00:28:02.210 --> 00:28:04.990
whatever. But you're going to take one gun, dump

00:28:04.990 --> 00:28:06.690
it, pick up the other gun, put it on the tripod,

00:28:06.750 --> 00:28:09.750
dump it. He didn't do that. Like it, there was

00:28:09.750 --> 00:28:12.269
no evidence that he did that. So in my opinion,

00:28:12.569 --> 00:28:15.250
he was there to sell guns to someone. He brought

00:28:15.250 --> 00:28:18.950
a lot of guns and his intention. I mean, maybe

00:28:18.950 --> 00:28:21.549
he, maybe he lit up. Maybe he lit up the crowd.

00:28:21.650 --> 00:28:23.990
I don't know. I don't think he did, but I think

00:28:23.990 --> 00:28:26.269
he brought a bunch of guns there to sell to someone.

00:28:26.630 --> 00:28:29.329
I think he was a patsy and I think he thought

00:28:29.329 --> 00:28:31.950
he was there to sell a bunch of guns to some

00:28:31.950 --> 00:28:35.359
rich guy. And again, we'll kind of wrap this

00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:38.240
up at the end, but I think he thought he was

00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.680
selling a bunch of guns at someone. They came

00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:42.880
up there. They're like, yeah, these cool guns.

00:28:43.299 --> 00:28:46.079
Bap shot them and then they dumped on the crowd

00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.359
and they bounced out. And we'll get into that

00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.000
reason where I think later, but it doesn't make

00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.160
a lot of sense. Like you said, to bring 40 something

00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:57.640
guns to shoot two of them, you know, maybe arguably

00:28:57.640 --> 00:28:59.359
three, if you're shooting the handgun through

00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:01.619
a, through a door, it doesn't make any sense.

00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.400
And I haven't. So that's why I asked this question.

00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:06.700
But have you seen any evidence that suggests

00:29:06.700 --> 00:29:09.119
that he didn't commit suicide, that perhaps it

00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:10.559
was the second shooter in the room that took

00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.259
his life? Yeah. So there's actually a flame conspiratorial.

00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.619
So when they went into the room, it looked like

00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:18.779
he got shot in the chest, right? So he had dried

00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:21.460
blood on his chest. I think he had a gunshot

00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:24.680
wound to the head, which is fresh blood. So this

00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:28.039
is like an autopsy reports. So they're saying.

00:29:28.460 --> 00:29:30.940
There is an old blood stain and then there's

00:29:30.940 --> 00:29:34.779
a new fresh blood coming out of his head or wherever

00:29:34.779 --> 00:29:36.400
it was in this body. I think it was his head,

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:38.559
but there was definitely a shot in his chest,

00:29:38.740 --> 00:29:41.619
which was old blood. So now we can get a bit

00:29:41.619 --> 00:29:44.200
conspiratorial. The thought is somebody shot

00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.279
him in the chest. They dumped onto this crowd

00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.380
right before they rolled out. Before the cops

00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:52.440
came up, they tapped in the head and they left.

00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.960
So that's why you see the old blood and you see

00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.619
the new blood. It's a safety check, right? A

00:29:57.619 --> 00:29:59.339
lot of people do it in the military. Take a person

00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:00.839
down and you just want to make sure they're down,

00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:02.559
so you shoot them in the head. Did they say with

00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.200
what round was fired into his chest? I didn't

00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.359
get that deep in that research, but no, I don't.

00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:09.660
It'd be interesting because, you know, I've been

00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:13.019
to... thousands of autopsies, many of those involving

00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:16.440
firearms. And it's very rare to have two gunshot

00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.480
wounds. I've seen it on one occasion in my entire

00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.160
career. And it was an occasion where this elderly

00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:24.579
person wanted to commit suicide. They went into

00:30:24.579 --> 00:30:27.299
the garage and they towed it with a rifle to

00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:28.980
their chest, right, and pulled the trigger with

00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:31.519
their toe. It shot them in the chest and it did

00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:33.200
not kill them, because guns aren't always like

00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:35.119
the movies, right? I forget the caliber of some

00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.259
type of shotgun. Maybe it was like a 10 gauge

00:30:37.259 --> 00:30:39.059
or something. But, you know, thought it would

00:30:39.059 --> 00:30:41.589
kill them in his chest. didn't. He gets up and

00:30:41.589 --> 00:30:43.430
leaves and he goes into the kitchen where he

00:30:43.430 --> 00:30:44.910
retrieves a revolver and then shoots himself

00:30:44.910 --> 00:30:46.710
in the head and is dead. So we treated that thing

00:30:46.710 --> 00:30:49.390
as a homicide for a very long time because, you

00:30:49.390 --> 00:30:52.849
know, who has two bullet wounds and a suicide

00:30:52.849 --> 00:30:55.789
attempt? It's very rare. Never saw it in my career.

00:30:56.069 --> 00:30:57.950
The guys that were salt and pepper had been doing

00:30:57.950 --> 00:30:59.589
this for a lot longer than me. They've never

00:30:59.589 --> 00:31:02.130
even seen it in their career. So it's just, it's

00:31:02.130 --> 00:31:05.609
so super rare to have two gunshot wounds. I think

00:31:05.609 --> 00:31:07.950
it's almost impossible to have a dried wound

00:31:07.950 --> 00:31:11.220
and then a fresh one. that doesn't line up, you

00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:14.000
know, the blood dries on your, your shirt because

00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.119
you got shot through the chest and then you're

00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.440
actively kind of leaking blood out of like your

00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:21.019
head. Like, I mean, if that would have happened,

00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:23.539
I feel like there would have been a blood trail

00:31:23.539 --> 00:31:26.299
or something. At least in like your situation,

00:31:26.420 --> 00:31:28.900
you probably could see like the blood trail at

00:31:28.900 --> 00:31:31.279
least to wherever you want next. But this guy,

00:31:31.420 --> 00:31:33.740
like he was, he was, he was dead on the ground.

00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.009
Like two shots, one dry, one not. It's usually

00:31:37.009 --> 00:31:38.950
because there's so much adrenaline pumping through

00:31:38.950 --> 00:31:41.250
your body that it happens almost in succession,

00:31:41.569 --> 00:31:43.190
right? Meaning that you shot yourself, you're

00:31:43.190 --> 00:31:45.289
in so much damn pain and your adrenaline's pumping

00:31:45.289 --> 00:31:47.829
that you hurry up and go finish the job. Not

00:31:47.829 --> 00:31:49.950
like wait however long it takes blood to dry

00:31:49.950 --> 00:31:52.130
an hour or whatever, right? Like you don't, there's

00:31:52.130 --> 00:31:53.890
not this like massive time because after that

00:31:53.890 --> 00:31:55.769
point your adrenaline's worn off, like you're

00:31:55.769 --> 00:31:58.809
down in pain. You're probably almost incapacitated

00:31:58.809 --> 00:32:00.650
from the initial wound that you would just, you

00:32:00.650 --> 00:32:03.430
wouldn't see that. Yeah. So I don't know. So

00:32:03.430 --> 00:32:06.009
I mean, it's a little bit bizarre that I almost

00:32:06.009 --> 00:32:08.730
think he was like honey -potted. I think he had

00:32:08.730 --> 00:32:11.269
three women convinced and he probably, he was

00:32:11.269 --> 00:32:13.710
a compulsive gambler, right? He was a millionaire,

00:32:14.029 --> 00:32:15.630
but I think he was kind of down on his luck.

00:32:16.029 --> 00:32:17.690
There were reports that he was like losing money

00:32:17.690 --> 00:32:19.950
left and right at the casino. I think he got

00:32:19.950 --> 00:32:23.410
honey -potted. He met some, at least two. for

00:32:23.410 --> 00:32:25.690
him, attractive women. He's like, yeah, I know

00:32:25.690 --> 00:32:27.730
some people who want to buy some guns. He kind

00:32:27.730 --> 00:32:29.329
of is like, yeah, I bought a ton of guns in the

00:32:29.329 --> 00:32:31.690
past couple of years. I'll sell them to them.

00:32:31.789 --> 00:32:34.809
You know, I'll make 30, 40, 50 K. I can go back

00:32:34.809 --> 00:32:37.250
to gambling when I run these upstairs. I mean,

00:32:37.289 --> 00:32:39.390
there's video of him walking these guns up and

00:32:39.390 --> 00:32:40.990
down, which isn't, you know, people are like,

00:32:41.049 --> 00:32:43.730
how can some guy just walk through Vegas with

00:32:43.730 --> 00:32:46.029
a bunch of gun or obviously they didn't know

00:32:46.029 --> 00:32:48.750
there were gun cases, but a bunch of cases. But

00:32:48.750 --> 00:32:51.990
if you look at it, a lot of high end retailers,

00:32:52.269 --> 00:32:56.109
rent these lavish Vegas suites and they do demonstrations.

00:32:57.410 --> 00:33:00.289
So it's not unusual for people to bring up loads

00:33:00.289 --> 00:33:03.529
and loads of stuff to their room in order to

00:33:03.529 --> 00:33:05.769
put on a nice little show for whoever they're

00:33:05.769 --> 00:33:08.750
trying to sell to. So, you know, I tossed that

00:33:08.750 --> 00:33:13.190
out immediately. I think that's an easy, easy

00:33:13.190 --> 00:33:16.299
thing. to kind of put a pin in and say, that's

00:33:16.299 --> 00:33:18.519
BS. There's all kinds of trade shows in Vegas.

00:33:19.019 --> 00:33:21.119
People rent these rooms. They're trying to bring

00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.339
in some wealthy clients. They don't want their

00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:25.480
wealthy clients to be seen in like the main lobbies,

00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.279
the convention center, what have you. They rent

00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.279
nice private suites and they bring up their gear,

00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.000
whatever they're selling. And I think this guy

00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.180
was doing exactly that. I think he needed money,

00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.259
wanted money, probably, you know, with his connections

00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:43.589
from Lockheed Martin, probably. arguably knew

00:33:43.589 --> 00:33:45.950
some people who were in the gun game, probably

00:33:45.950 --> 00:33:48.690
on the little bit of the sketchy side, who he

00:33:48.690 --> 00:33:51.009
was like, yo, I've bought a ton of guns in the

00:33:51.009 --> 00:33:53.509
past couple years. I want to sell them. These

00:33:53.509 --> 00:33:56.609
women are hooking me up. The contact, I'm down.

00:33:56.849 --> 00:33:58.690
Sign me up. And I think that's what he was doing.

00:33:58.940 --> 00:34:00.799
Yeah, I don't think it's unusual. I mean, even

00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:03.200
today people do it all the time. And Las Vegas

00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.819
is like where to have a conference, right? An

00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:07.700
international spot where everybody has conferences

00:34:07.700 --> 00:34:10.320
going on all the time. And every conference I've

00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.000
ever been to companies get private hotel suites

00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:14.900
and they set up and they bring like their priority

00:34:14.900 --> 00:34:17.619
clients back to show them whatever. So the fact

00:34:17.619 --> 00:34:20.360
of carrying 50 suitcases, nobody would bat an

00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.969
eye at that at a Las Vegas hotel. Oh, I mean,

00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:25.250
the bellboys probably help you. Give me a $5

00:34:25.250 --> 00:34:28.989
tip, I'll help you hump this up. Yeah. A lot

00:34:28.989 --> 00:34:30.630
of people are like, well, they have great security

00:34:30.630 --> 00:34:33.329
ethics. Well, they do, but they're watching the

00:34:33.329 --> 00:34:35.130
table games. They're making sure you're not cheating

00:34:35.130 --> 00:34:37.730
them. They're not watching a lot for everything

00:34:37.730 --> 00:34:40.110
else. That's why prostitution happens rampant

00:34:40.110 --> 00:34:42.550
within those hotels and drugs and everything

00:34:42.550 --> 00:34:43.789
else, because they're not watching for those

00:34:43.789 --> 00:34:45.710
things. They're there to not get ripped off.

00:34:46.269 --> 00:34:49.329
Dude, right. Let's be real. Vegas was conceived

00:34:49.329 --> 00:34:51.889
by the mob, right? Yeah. All kinds of sketchy

00:34:51.889 --> 00:34:53.429
stuff goes down. As long as you're not killing,

00:34:53.650 --> 00:34:56.369
hurting, or very, very worse, stealing from them,

00:34:56.449 --> 00:34:57.829
they don't really care. Like you want to do something

00:34:57.829 --> 00:35:01.510
illegal over here, run a room, throw some money

00:35:01.510 --> 00:35:05.190
on the tables, all good. We're good. They don't

00:35:05.190 --> 00:35:08.630
care. I mean, it's the hub of the sins. All of

00:35:08.630 --> 00:35:11.170
Sin City for a reason. Exactly. As long as you're

00:35:11.170 --> 00:35:13.030
not killing someone or doing something to get

00:35:13.030 --> 00:35:14.510
them in trouble, they don't care. They'll let

00:35:14.510 --> 00:35:16.940
you do whatever you want to do. Yeah, do we want,

00:35:17.019 --> 00:35:19.079
this might be a good time to get into some of

00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.159
the conspiracy theories that were offered on

00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.940
this event as kind of like the alternative version

00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:26.000
of the story outside of what we just discussed.

00:35:26.500 --> 00:35:30.170
Yeah, let's do it. So the first one that I found

00:35:30.170 --> 00:35:33.429
was that somebody proposed that there were multiple

00:35:33.429 --> 00:35:36.409
shooters within the crowd. So the gunfire wasn't

00:35:36.409 --> 00:35:38.969
only coming from above. There were three shooters

00:35:38.969 --> 00:35:41.630
inside or near the concert grounds, making it

00:35:41.630 --> 00:35:43.989
a kind of crossfire situation or coordinated

00:35:43.989 --> 00:35:46.469
attack. The supporting details here, right, is

00:35:46.469 --> 00:35:48.769
the first minute eyewitness statements, people

00:35:48.769 --> 00:35:51.389
yelling, they're shooting over there or giving

00:35:51.389 --> 00:35:54.050
conflicting directions and panic. Later, it was

00:35:54.050 --> 00:35:57.349
treated as literal and accurate rather than confusion.

00:35:57.409 --> 00:36:00.369
We have some shaky phone videos where the audio

00:36:00.369 --> 00:36:03.510
seems to shift directions, or the crowd reacts

00:36:03.510 --> 00:36:05.849
in pockets and interpreting these ground level

00:36:05.849 --> 00:36:09.309
firings. Clips of people being tackled and detained

00:36:09.309 --> 00:36:13.030
in the crowd, which were interpreted as shooters

00:36:13.030 --> 00:36:16.329
being caught at the event, even when the clip,

00:36:16.329 --> 00:36:18.769
you know, has no confirmed follow up from the

00:36:18.769 --> 00:36:21.570
authorities. And the idea that the crowd stampede

00:36:21.570 --> 00:36:23.909
behavior implies that the threat was coming from

00:36:23.909 --> 00:36:27.300
multiple sides, not just overhead. Now... The

00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:29.639
other one that I saw when we talk about trajectory

00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:31.800
of bullet spread is some people say they were

00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.420
shooting from a helicopter down at the crowd.

00:36:34.619 --> 00:36:37.099
I kind of pit these two in the same bucket because

00:36:37.099 --> 00:36:39.059
when I think from a realistic perspective, if

00:36:39.059 --> 00:36:41.519
we believe that the shooter was in the hotel

00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.000
shooting down from the 32nd floor, I think you're

00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.900
going to have enough bullet spread if you're

00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:47.519
attacking a crowd that you're probably going

00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:48.920
to misinterpret that for coming from everywhere,

00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.019
right? Above, below, to your side, confusion,

00:36:52.219 --> 00:36:54.260
panic. I mean, I can't imagine bullets dropping

00:36:54.260 --> 00:36:57.059
down 30 plus stories at you. I think it would

00:36:57.059 --> 00:37:00.099
be pretty hard to pinpoint, but there is some

00:37:00.099 --> 00:37:02.280
evidence out there to suggest that multiple people

00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.179
are on scene carrying out this assault. I mean,

00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:06.760
I think this is kind of where it gets interesting,

00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:10.460
right? So there are reports of, I think there's

00:37:10.460 --> 00:37:13.159
videos too of flashing lights coming from helicopters,

00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.880
whether or not that's the tail lights flashing,

00:37:16.260 --> 00:37:19.610
but it kind of coincides with the burst. So kind

00:37:19.610 --> 00:37:22.050
of want to rewind a bit. So you've heard the

00:37:22.050 --> 00:37:25.090
video. It's like, it sounds like a full auto

00:37:25.090 --> 00:37:28.030
machine gun. It's ripping off. The claim is,

00:37:28.210 --> 00:37:30.190
is that he had a bus dock. I don't know how much

00:37:30.190 --> 00:37:31.789
you know about bus stocks. You probably know

00:37:31.789 --> 00:37:34.590
a lot from being a cop. They're notorious for

00:37:34.590 --> 00:37:36.989
jamming. Like you might drop seven or eight rounds

00:37:36.989 --> 00:37:40.369
in a jams and you're not ripping 30, 40 rounds

00:37:40.369 --> 00:37:44.360
off before that thing. It just. in terms of the

00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.179
way the gun's designed, it's not meant to kind

00:37:47.179 --> 00:37:50.139
of reduce the way the firing mechanism pulls

00:37:50.139 --> 00:37:52.260
back. It shortens it, right? So you're pulling

00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:55.099
the trigger. Shortening is trigger reset. So

00:37:55.099 --> 00:37:57.059
instead of like pulling the trigger once, it

00:37:57.059 --> 00:37:58.840
goes all the way back, chambers them around.

00:37:59.139 --> 00:38:01.679
It's starting to, it's reducing that, that length,

00:38:02.099 --> 00:38:03.880
right? So you're just, you're reducing that length.

00:38:04.219 --> 00:38:07.780
So eventually over time, it's going to jam a

00:38:07.780 --> 00:38:10.400
bullet. So people are like, it's impossible.

00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:15.099
For someone to rip off 40, 50, I mean, I assume

00:38:15.099 --> 00:38:18.079
the biggest clips I know for like 42 rounds.

00:38:18.860 --> 00:38:21.300
It doesn't make sense for someone to rip off

00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:24.440
a full clip of 40 plus rounds without a jam,

00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:26.579
with a buttstock. So some people think of it

00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:29.280
as like an M240. Like you just pull off a machine

00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.960
gun, belt fed, and you're just blazing it. And

00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:36.690
you hear the gunfire, it's fast. And some people

00:38:36.690 --> 00:38:39.969
think that there's video of like a chopper overhead

00:38:39.969 --> 00:38:42.949
at the same time flying around. You see the muzzle

00:38:42.949 --> 00:38:45.690
flash according to them. It's a light flash and

00:38:45.690 --> 00:38:47.909
you could argue it's muzzle flash. You can argue

00:38:47.909 --> 00:38:49.929
either way. You talked about somebody being in

00:38:49.929 --> 00:38:53.170
the crowd. So during the autopsies, yeah, some

00:38:53.170 --> 00:38:56.289
bullet trajectories are from very high coming

00:38:56.289 --> 00:38:59.070
down in. Other bullet trajectories are from if

00:38:59.070 --> 00:39:01.050
you and I are staying in a field and I'm just

00:39:01.050 --> 00:39:03.889
popping off at you or vice versa. The trajectories

00:39:03.889 --> 00:39:06.219
don't make sense. So there may have been somebody

00:39:06.219 --> 00:39:09.619
in the crowd shooting. There's also another pretty

00:39:09.619 --> 00:39:12.800
interesting theory is that given where he was

00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.599
up in the Mandalay Bay, where some of the people

00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.840
were killed, he didn't have a line of sight on

00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.880
them. So they think it was from the chopper or

00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.599
somebody else on a different roof in a different

00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.599
hotel. The claim is it was impossible for him

00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.280
to even see these people from where he was. I

00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.159
guess the only kind of argument there is that

00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.760
these people got shot, they ran and they died.

00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.320
outside of his line of sight, but still very

00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.619
interesting facts. Death is kind of a weird thing,

00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.980
right? I've seen a guy that jumped from, I don't

00:39:41.980 --> 00:39:44.099
remember how tall the Hamilton County Detention

00:39:44.099 --> 00:39:46.380
Center is, but he jumped from the top floor from

00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:48.400
the rec yard. He jumped off the complete building.

00:39:48.780 --> 00:39:50.920
He landed, I'm going to say 10 stories. I don't

00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:52.539
remember how exactly how tall it was. It was

00:39:52.539 --> 00:39:55.199
several stories though. He landed on his feet.

00:39:55.340 --> 00:39:58.420
from the roof. I mean, he had multiple broken

00:39:58.420 --> 00:40:00.360
bones and this was before I was an investigator,

00:40:00.500 --> 00:40:03.579
but he had landed on his feet and he ran two

00:40:03.579 --> 00:40:08.039
blocks before he died. And he jumped off a building

00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:11.440
like a superhero. Did he just die from like internal

00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.610
bleeding? He had internal bleeding. He broke

00:40:13.610 --> 00:40:15.269
so many bones and he was bleeding everywhere.

00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:17.929
But the adrenaline kept his heart pumping long

00:40:17.929 --> 00:40:19.889
enough for him to run two blocks. It's not like

00:40:19.889 --> 00:40:21.590
the movies, right? Where somebody gets shot and

00:40:21.590 --> 00:40:23.329
they get blown back 50 feet and that's the end

00:40:23.329 --> 00:40:26.070
of it. People die pretty slowly when it comes

00:40:26.070 --> 00:40:28.670
to some of these things. And it can take a minute

00:40:28.670 --> 00:40:30.670
or two for you to bleed out depending on where

00:40:30.670 --> 00:40:32.389
you get hit, right? Like if you didn't hit a

00:40:32.389 --> 00:40:35.449
main artery or whatever the case may be. So I

00:40:35.449 --> 00:40:37.610
can definitely see people being scattered about.

00:40:37.690 --> 00:40:39.829
But one of the things that I find interesting

00:40:39.829 --> 00:40:42.119
and I'm sure they must have done it by now bullet

00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:44.199
to directory. I've done a lot of studying on

00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:45.699
that. I went to the Forensic Science Academy.

00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:47.840
It's a fairly easy thing to make a determination

00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:49.699
on from a law enforcement perspective. If you

00:40:49.699 --> 00:40:51.900
have open access to the crime scene and you're

00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:54.019
going to directory, running the lasers and the

00:40:54.019 --> 00:40:57.380
rods and everything else, it's pretty easy and

00:40:57.380 --> 00:40:59.739
standard to kind of figure out where those bullets

00:40:59.739 --> 00:41:01.760
came from. And I'm sure they didn't share that

00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.400
with folks, but it's out there somewhere. So

00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:06.760
I do think there are some autopsy reports released

00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:10.400
where people had bullet trajectories from a very

00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.980
high elevation, and other people had it from

00:41:12.980 --> 00:41:14.800
ground level, where you would be on the same

00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.179
elevation as them. It's like, it's evidence that

00:41:17.179 --> 00:41:20.840
somebody was popping off in the crowd while somebody's

00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.780
dropping from either the helicopter or from wherever

00:41:23.780 --> 00:41:26.059
they claim Stephen Paddock was. I think that's

00:41:26.059 --> 00:41:28.400
pretty accessible at this point, which is kind

00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.860
of crazy. But, you know, again, we'll go back

00:41:30.860 --> 00:41:33.619
to Las Vegas shooting map. There's videos of

00:41:33.619 --> 00:41:35.880
people running across rooftops. Like, why? I

00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.440
mean, okay, so There's a gunfight going on. I

00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:40.579
mean, at this point, there's no gunfight. We'll

00:41:40.579 --> 00:41:43.119
get to that point later. But at this point, you

00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.539
know, the claim is Stephen Paddock, 32nd floor,

00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.000
dropping rounds onto their crowd. And there's

00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.440
videos of guys on a rooftop of a lower building

00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.039
running around right after the shooting. Hey,

00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:55.760
why would you be on the rooftop of a building

00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.179
in Las Vegas running? These guys are, there's

00:41:58.179 --> 00:42:00.380
two or three of them just sprinting and jumping

00:42:00.380 --> 00:42:02.920
over a ledge. You can't see them anymore. Doesn't

00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.139
make any sense. I guess you could say somebody's

00:42:05.139 --> 00:42:08.599
video. recording something for the concert, but

00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:11.340
nobody ever claimed to be those people. As you

00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:13.019
see them running, you don't really see anything

00:42:13.019 --> 00:42:15.059
in their hands. It almost seems like they were

00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:17.039
shooting and they dropped the guns and just booked

00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:18.989
it. I wonder, you know, the first thing that

00:42:18.989 --> 00:42:21.309
comes to my mind is like sympathetic fire or

00:42:21.309 --> 00:42:23.769
nervous fire. People either, you know, having

00:42:23.769 --> 00:42:27.369
CCWs carry concealed weapons or officers that

00:42:27.369 --> 00:42:29.989
are rookies that just like are on ground level

00:42:29.989 --> 00:42:31.269
and be like, oh, that guy's got a gun. I'm going

00:42:31.269 --> 00:42:33.170
to shoot. Right. Because they're so nervous because

00:42:33.170 --> 00:42:35.329
they're essentially inserted into this now war

00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:37.570
zone that is occurring there. And I wonder if

00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:40.010
some of that got happened and just kind of got

00:42:40.010 --> 00:42:42.030
washed with the incident. You talk about the

00:42:42.030 --> 00:42:44.769
guys like the the linear fire on the ground.

00:42:45.090 --> 00:42:47.480
Yeah, exactly. It kind of reminds me of like

00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.320
that whole ICE thing that just happened. They're

00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.420
arresting a guy and they pop off on him. What

00:42:52.420 --> 00:42:54.639
happened there? I didn't see that one. I heard

00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:55.760
about it, but I haven't really looked into it.

00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:57.960
Dude, I mean, if you watch that video as a cop,

00:42:58.059 --> 00:43:00.199
you would cringe, man. It's bad. Like, listen,

00:43:00.579 --> 00:43:02.960
this isn't political. I don't care who's left,

00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.739
who's right. Wrong is wrong. Right is right.

00:43:06.179 --> 00:43:08.539
They're arresting this guy. You see these like

00:43:08.539 --> 00:43:11.099
six cops come up, or six ICE agents. I don't

00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:12.679
even want to call them cops. And he's a white

00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.989
guy. Like he's not even an illegal, so. Why are

00:43:15.989 --> 00:43:17.829
you messing with him? He's videotaping them.

00:43:17.909 --> 00:43:20.590
They run up on him. I'm sure he's talking crap,

00:43:20.590 --> 00:43:22.929
right? He's probably being difficult, but we

00:43:22.929 --> 00:43:24.949
live in a freaking America, right? Like he could

00:43:24.949 --> 00:43:28.309
talk crap, you know? So these six or seven guys

00:43:28.309 --> 00:43:30.969
go around them. They're talking crap. He's videotaping

00:43:30.969 --> 00:43:32.849
them. They throw them to the ground. And next

00:43:32.849 --> 00:43:34.769
thing you know, they pop them in the head. And

00:43:34.769 --> 00:43:37.409
then another guy comes, I guess he hears a gunshot,

00:43:37.449 --> 00:43:39.409
comes back and shoots him six or seven times.

00:43:39.630 --> 00:43:41.289
As a police officer, I want you to watch that

00:43:41.289 --> 00:43:42.769
video. I'm like, why in the hell was that guy

00:43:42.769 --> 00:43:45.110
ever shot? They arrest him. Fine. Whatever. I

00:43:45.110 --> 00:43:47.690
mean, He saw as a freedom of speech and they're

00:43:47.690 --> 00:43:49.650
like, he had a gun. Well, I mean, we live in

00:43:49.650 --> 00:43:54.650
America, bro. Right. So some guy, so you see

00:43:54.650 --> 00:43:56.929
another guy come up. I guess he pulls the gun

00:43:56.929 --> 00:43:58.670
out of his pocket. I don't know if they thought

00:43:58.670 --> 00:44:02.710
the guy or the ice agent, he came and maybe they

00:44:02.710 --> 00:44:04.650
saw the ice agent pulled a gun from his pocket,

00:44:04.789 --> 00:44:07.110
thought it was him pulling it and shot him either

00:44:07.110 --> 00:44:10.929
way, dude. He's a complete leftist. Again, regardless

00:44:10.929 --> 00:44:14.010
of politics, man, they shot the guy like eight

00:44:14.010 --> 00:44:16.619
times. and killed him for no reason. It just,

00:44:16.619 --> 00:44:19.119
it makes no sense. But I get it when you're saying

00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.179
sympathetic fire, we will go back to this video.

00:44:21.619 --> 00:44:24.039
So as these cops, when they breach the door,

00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:26.820
they go in, they see the dead guy, and then they

00:44:26.820 --> 00:44:29.400
don't see any holes in the windows. Then they're

00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:31.340
like, we got to breach this other room. As they

00:44:31.340 --> 00:44:34.059
kick that door down, another cop pops off a burst.

00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:38.079
And they're like, he just like, and he's like,

00:44:38.099 --> 00:44:39.940
he's like, I don't know what he said. He's like,

00:44:40.179 --> 00:44:42.300
I, someone, he's like, I shot, I shot, I shot.

00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.460
But he's just, like, they kicked the door down

00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:47.340
and he burst. Like, terrible trigger discipline.

00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.599
But yeah, I think that's a funny, I was trying

00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.079
to piggyback on your story. I almost wonder if

00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:54.460
that's the round they hit the guy in the head.

00:44:54.860 --> 00:44:56.679
Oh yeah, no, this was after they saw the dead

00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.699
guy. Yeah, but they breached the second door

00:45:00.699 --> 00:45:04.619
and he's like, three rounds. And they're like,

00:45:04.780 --> 00:45:06.519
what the, everyone's freaking out. And he's like,

00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:10.639
I shot, I'm sorry. I've seen some stupid shit,

00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:12.920
but I'd never seen it that bad. You know, I've,

00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.059
I almost got shot once cause a guy was cleaning

00:45:15.059 --> 00:45:17.159
his gun next to me and he forgot to unload it.

00:45:17.300 --> 00:45:19.440
And what do you have to do this? But you have

00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.440
to pull the trigger to disassemble it. I had

00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.500
to take the slide off and he still had around

00:45:23.500 --> 00:45:25.199
in the chamber and he shot it and ricochet. It

00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:27.239
was right next to me to ricochet all around the

00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.539
gun cleaning room. So I've seen some dumb shit,

00:45:29.619 --> 00:45:32.380
but I don't know that I've ever seen that. Wow.

00:45:32.940 --> 00:45:35.340
I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's so weird to

00:45:35.340 --> 00:45:37.599
see them so, like, nonchalant, breaching his

00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.219
door, walking in, like, whatever. And then they

00:45:40.219 --> 00:45:42.360
breach the second door and the guy's... It's

00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.800
like, it doesn't line up. I mean, I don't think

00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.019
he did it on purpose. I just, like, why are you

00:45:48.019 --> 00:45:51.139
so nervous to go to this next door? Well, as

00:45:51.139 --> 00:45:52.960
I said, I don't know those guys, obviously, but

00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:56.639
the ones I trained with on the SWAT team, they

00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.300
were very good. Like, I wouldn't expect to see...

00:45:59.289 --> 00:46:01.670
Any of that happen? I think, you know, they waited

00:46:01.670 --> 00:46:04.110
so long to breach the door. I think a logical

00:46:04.110 --> 00:46:06.150
mind says that guy's in there and if he's in

00:46:06.150 --> 00:46:07.670
there, he's dead because he stopped shooting

00:46:07.670 --> 00:46:11.889
like 20 minutes ago. Yeah. So I could see why

00:46:11.889 --> 00:46:13.130
they're almost relaxed because they're just like,

00:46:13.289 --> 00:46:15.269
we're waiting for the order to go in. Like they

00:46:15.269 --> 00:46:16.869
must be waiting for somebody to command them

00:46:16.869 --> 00:46:20.269
to enter that room. And they already knew there

00:46:20.269 --> 00:46:21.949
was no threat. The only other thing I can figure.

00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:24.230
So, I mean, let's be clear. They say the SWAT

00:46:24.230 --> 00:46:26.530
team won and there was one SWAT guy that breached

00:46:26.530 --> 00:46:28.340
the door. It wasn't the whole SWAT team. It was

00:46:28.340 --> 00:46:30.480
a bunch of Las Vegas police department guys.

00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:33.019
They waited for the one SWAT guy to come up and

00:46:33.019 --> 00:46:35.119
then they breached. So there was only one SWAT

00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.840
guy there. So this is where we kind of get into

00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.739
this conspiracy, right? So, okay, we're just

00:46:41.739 --> 00:46:44.780
going to go head deep into this. I think what

00:46:44.780 --> 00:46:47.940
has the most evidence to it is that the King

00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:51.300
of Saudi Arabia. So one of the conspiracies is

00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:56.039
that this whole thing was a ruse, a distraction.

00:46:56.409 --> 00:46:59.309
to assassinate Mohammed bin Salam, the king of

00:46:59.309 --> 00:47:02.869
Saudi Arabia. So a part of me thinks, so I mean,

00:47:02.989 --> 00:47:04.750
again, this episode is going very long because

00:47:04.750 --> 00:47:07.730
we're talking about a lot of stuff. But the thought,

00:47:07.849 --> 00:47:10.110
so this is getting to the meat of the conspiracy.

00:47:10.869 --> 00:47:13.829
The meat of the conspiracy is this was an operation

00:47:13.829 --> 00:47:16.590
to kill the king of Saudi Arabia and or one of

00:47:16.590 --> 00:47:20.090
the princes. So the thought is, is that that

00:47:20.090 --> 00:47:23.889
shooting down at the crowd was a distraction

00:47:24.250 --> 00:47:27.769
in order, at least in my opinion, to get police,

00:47:27.949 --> 00:47:31.130
SWAT, to come to this massive shooting, while

00:47:31.130 --> 00:47:33.929
these other guys, and as we'll talk about here

00:47:33.929 --> 00:47:36.989
now, there's a bunch of gunfights going on around

00:47:36.989 --> 00:47:38.949
the city. There's gunfights going outside the

00:47:38.949 --> 00:47:42.289
Tropicana, multiple other casinos, where after

00:47:42.289 --> 00:47:44.789
this whole shooting happens, people are calling

00:47:44.789 --> 00:47:48.309
in shots fired at Tropicana, you know, and we'll

00:47:48.309 --> 00:47:51.119
get into the other weird stuff about this. footage

00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.599
isn't released. The casinos haven't released

00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.119
any footage. All the footage you see are from

00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:58.920
police body cams because the casinos haven't

00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.000
released anything. But apparently, and I think

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.579
it's, I mean, a bunch of conspiracy guys, a bunch

00:48:06.579 --> 00:48:09.639
of investigators have really good evidence to

00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:12.619
suggest that this was just a massive distraction

00:48:12.619 --> 00:48:16.960
to kill this king. Well, I think there's a lot

00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.309
of teeth behind it, meaning that, you know, People

00:48:20.309 --> 00:48:22.929
believe he was staying at the Four Seasons Hotel,

00:48:23.250 --> 00:48:26.050
which occupies the top floors of Mandalay Bay.

00:48:26.829 --> 00:48:28.909
And, you know, allegedly is able to be proven

00:48:28.909 --> 00:48:32.869
during the 2017 and 2019 Saudi Arabia purge,

00:48:32.929 --> 00:48:34.190
right? I don't remember if you remember during

00:48:34.190 --> 00:48:35.809
that time. They were going around killing a lot

00:48:35.809 --> 00:48:37.630
of people in a lot of different places that were

00:48:37.630 --> 00:48:40.349
connected to the government. And that happened

00:48:40.349 --> 00:48:43.190
one month after the shooting, right? So like

00:48:43.190 --> 00:48:45.110
the planning stages were done and this might

00:48:45.110 --> 00:48:47.949
have been kind of like the kickoff event, you

00:48:47.949 --> 00:48:49.670
know, and I think... I think the other kind of

00:48:49.670 --> 00:48:52.210
interesting thing is Saudi Arabia's public investment

00:48:52.210 --> 00:48:55.309
fund had made significant investments into MGM,

00:48:55.429 --> 00:48:58.349
which owns Mandalay Bay and much of the Las Vegas

00:48:58.349 --> 00:49:00.690
Strip. I think the investment part is the overall

00:49:00.690 --> 00:49:03.949
effort to diversify their economy and stuff that

00:49:03.949 --> 00:49:06.650
they're investing in outside of oil, but they

00:49:06.650 --> 00:49:08.789
have control essentially of this area because

00:49:08.789 --> 00:49:10.829
of their investments and they're going through

00:49:10.829 --> 00:49:12.989
this massive purge. I don't remember how many

00:49:12.989 --> 00:49:14.889
of these high profile people that were connected

00:49:14.889 --> 00:49:17.070
to Saudi Arabia were killed just one month after,

00:49:17.130 --> 00:49:19.849
but it was a huge I think even one didn't want

00:49:19.849 --> 00:49:22.030
to occur in the United States as well I don't

00:49:22.030 --> 00:49:23.769
know about the United States, but I remember

00:49:23.769 --> 00:49:26.090
a month after I think it was called like the

00:49:26.090 --> 00:49:29.449
night of a thousand swords I could be misinterpreting

00:49:29.449 --> 00:49:32.869
that but uh, but yeah, so after this this Las

00:49:32.869 --> 00:49:35.610
Vegas shooting happened the king of Saudi Arabia

00:49:35.610 --> 00:49:38.030
brought all like a bunch of these princes I mean

00:49:38.030 --> 00:49:41.690
there's hundreds of princes brought them in and

00:49:41.690 --> 00:49:44.809
either killed them or defunded them right like

00:49:44.809 --> 00:49:47.550
not like two to four weeks after this whole event

00:49:47.550 --> 00:49:49.250
happened. And the interesting thing, you remember

00:49:49.250 --> 00:49:51.389
that guy, Khashoggi, I can't remember his first

00:49:51.389 --> 00:49:54.389
name, but he was a, he was a big thing back in

00:49:54.389 --> 00:49:58.809
like 2018 where a New York times reporter was

00:49:58.809 --> 00:50:01.469
seen going into the Saudi Arabian embassy in

00:50:01.469 --> 00:50:04.170
Turkey. And then you see a video of these guys

00:50:04.170 --> 00:50:06.070
coming out with suitcases and nobody could find

00:50:06.070 --> 00:50:08.849
this reporter for a month. Yeah. Yeah. So that's

00:50:08.849 --> 00:50:11.190
what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah. So it was,

00:50:11.309 --> 00:50:14.750
I think it was a embassy in Turkey, a Saudi embassy

00:50:14.750 --> 00:50:17.329
in Turkey, where they brought this reporter in

00:50:17.329 --> 00:50:21.550
and then they chopped him up, put him in suitcases.

00:50:21.750 --> 00:50:23.670
And then they kind of, they didn't even try to

00:50:23.670 --> 00:50:25.449
hide it. Like they were trying to send a message.

00:50:25.989 --> 00:50:28.130
And it was like, why in the hell would he kill

00:50:28.130 --> 00:50:30.349
a reporter? Like, I don't understand this, but

00:50:30.349 --> 00:50:33.670
you kind of look at this guy, Khashoggi's background.

00:50:34.090 --> 00:50:35.750
He used to fight for the Mujahideen. Like he

00:50:35.750 --> 00:50:38.099
was a very I don't want to say rebellious, but

00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:39.960
he was like kind of like a freedom fighter kind

00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.019
of against his whole thing and was very anti

00:50:43.019 --> 00:50:46.219
-Saudi. So when he was younger, he was, you know,

00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:49.119
he was a freedom fighter, a rebel in Afghanistan.

00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:51.639
And then as he kind of went up through the ranks,

00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:53.739
he eventually became a New York Times reporter.

00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:57.500
And they think he had a big part in trying to

00:50:57.500 --> 00:51:00.119
coordinate this attack. And he got murdered to

00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.860
the day a year after the Las Vegas shooting,

00:51:03.019 --> 00:51:08.440
which is mind blowing, man. It's it's like I

00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.280
said, there's there's a lot of evidence where

00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:12.139
they could have controlled that environment in

00:51:12.139 --> 00:51:15.420
order to kind of set up this I mean You know

00:51:15.420 --> 00:51:17.619
Saudi Arabia kind of calls it the I think it's

00:51:17.619 --> 00:51:19.539
called like the anti -corruption purge, right?

00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:21.059
Like they're saying they're bringing justice

00:51:21.059 --> 00:51:22.659
and they're trying to kick all these people out

00:51:22.659 --> 00:51:24.500
of the government because they were very corrupt

00:51:24.500 --> 00:51:27.820
But if that's true, then the corrupt people may

00:51:27.820 --> 00:51:30.280
want to take him out as well that the crown prince,

00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:34.469
right? So It's pretty crazy Yeah, dude, it gets

00:51:34.469 --> 00:51:37.650
even crazier. I mean, so there's videos, uh,

00:51:37.889 --> 00:51:40.969
video and audio of an air traffic control tower.

00:51:41.110 --> 00:51:43.829
So, right. So the shooting happens, I think maybe

00:51:43.829 --> 00:51:46.429
like 45 minutes after the shooting there, you

00:51:46.429 --> 00:51:49.230
hear the ACT guys saying, Hey, there's people

00:51:49.230 --> 00:51:51.989
on the runway and there's video like night vision

00:51:51.989 --> 00:51:54.429
video of these guys. You can kind of tell where

00:51:54.429 --> 00:51:56.429
they have like, it looks like they have something

00:51:56.429 --> 00:51:59.110
over the chest, which I mean, you can look at

00:51:59.110 --> 00:52:01.539
it. but it almost looks like a body armor, right?

00:52:01.579 --> 00:52:04.440
So it's a kind of like obscuring their, their

00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:06.500
heat signature coming out of their chest. And

00:52:06.500 --> 00:52:08.320
they're like, I think we have an active shooter

00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:10.659
or we have an active shooter on the runway and

00:52:10.659 --> 00:52:12.340
somebody radios in that says, turn the lights

00:52:12.340 --> 00:52:15.719
off. And so they, they kill the runway lights

00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:18.639
and it's just like four or five guys just hanging

00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:21.800
out in the runway. Like they kind of seem nonchalant

00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.059
and it doesn't look like people that would be

00:52:24.059 --> 00:52:25.699
from the crowd. Cause these people ran to the

00:52:25.699 --> 00:52:30.900
hangers and uh, and And they, they're like, yeah,

00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.460
kill the runaway lights. It's almost like they

00:52:33.460 --> 00:52:36.480
were waiting for a, so they're on top of that.

00:52:36.579 --> 00:52:38.360
I mean, I know we're kind of all over the place

00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:41.059
with this episode, but there's all kinds of helicopters

00:52:41.059 --> 00:52:43.320
flying around Las Vegas at a time with their

00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.559
transponders off. Some of them they're flying,

00:52:45.619 --> 00:52:48.179
they go off over Mandalay Bay during the shooting

00:52:48.179 --> 00:52:50.940
and they come back on somewhere else. Other ones,

00:52:51.219 --> 00:52:55.150
you can look at the video. based off of, I mean,

00:52:55.210 --> 00:52:57.349
if you're a researcher, you can figure out these

00:52:57.349 --> 00:53:01.090
choppers were never ever on radar, or at least

00:53:01.090 --> 00:53:04.250
on the transponder radar. And the thought is

00:53:04.250 --> 00:53:07.030
with the gunfire at the Tropicana and all the

00:53:07.030 --> 00:53:10.530
reports of gunfire after the fact, there's all

00:53:10.530 --> 00:53:12.949
kinds of police audio an hour after the fact

00:53:12.949 --> 00:53:15.150
of gunfire going off, where people are getting

00:53:15.150 --> 00:53:17.989
calls, cops taking the call, and their police

00:53:17.989 --> 00:53:21.909
body cam hears like bursts. There's like gunfire.

00:53:22.420 --> 00:53:24.840
battles going on in the street, people finding

00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.380
clips and guns in the street. None of this is

00:53:27.380 --> 00:53:29.679
reported. The only reason we know about it is

00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.119
because of the police reports after the fact

00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:36.119
and the police body cam audio and footage. I

00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.599
mean, you'll never see the fights on body cam,

00:53:39.619 --> 00:53:41.360
but you can hear the gunfire on the body cam

00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:45.599
after apparently Stephen Paddock killed himself,

00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:47.860
which makes no sense. And none of it makes sense.

00:53:47.900 --> 00:53:50.460
It doesn't line up. It just doesn't make logical

00:53:50.460 --> 00:53:52.949
sense. But I mean, I guess we're forgetting to

00:53:52.949 --> 00:53:56.070
the end of what we think this event is. It almost

00:53:56.070 --> 00:53:59.630
sounds like the main event happened where they

00:53:59.630 --> 00:54:01.710
claimed Stephen Paddock shot into the crowd.

00:54:02.309 --> 00:54:04.349
You draw all the police in, right? I mean, of

00:54:04.349 --> 00:54:06.150
course, if you have a mass shooting, all the

00:54:06.150 --> 00:54:08.630
cops are going to go there. Next thing you know,

00:54:08.750 --> 00:54:10.710
there's gunfire going on the street, a bunch

00:54:10.710 --> 00:54:13.750
of people battling in the street, which in my

00:54:13.750 --> 00:54:17.210
opinion is somebody of high value, like a king

00:54:17.210 --> 00:54:21.719
or a prince trying to be so His guards are fighting

00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.480
against the people trying to assassinate him

00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:26.820
as they run across the city to the airport, battling

00:54:26.820 --> 00:54:29.239
the whole time. There's people on the runway.

00:54:29.619 --> 00:54:32.420
They land a helicopter to runway lights off.

00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:35.400
They get airlifted out. And the other guys, whoever

00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.340
they are, just hightail it. The guy's trying

00:54:38.340 --> 00:54:40.300
to assassinate them. And I think that's what

00:54:40.300 --> 00:54:44.449
happened, bro. I mean, it's essentially a war

00:54:44.449 --> 00:54:47.070
zone, right? And we talk about it. And we talk

00:54:47.070 --> 00:54:49.289
about some of the connective tissue to Saudi

00:54:49.289 --> 00:54:52.030
Arabia. One of the groups that came out that

00:54:52.030 --> 00:54:54.429
said they actually, you know, that Stephen Paddock

00:54:54.429 --> 00:54:57.250
was their warrior was the Islamic State, right?

00:54:57.349 --> 00:54:59.489
And this was years before they got really, really

00:54:59.489 --> 00:55:01.230
bad. They were still bad, obviously, but before

00:55:01.230 --> 00:55:04.090
it was like high profile. And the Islamic State

00:55:04.090 --> 00:55:08.070
and coordination with Stephen... accepted responsibility

00:55:08.070 --> 00:55:10.730
for the event as well. So, you know, that does

00:55:10.730 --> 00:55:12.809
have ties to the Middle East, which obviously

00:55:12.809 --> 00:55:15.650
where Saudi Arabia is located. And, you know,

00:55:15.650 --> 00:55:19.670
I wonder sometimes, right, I've seen mass casualty

00:55:19.670 --> 00:55:22.889
events where sometimes it's better to tell the

00:55:22.889 --> 00:55:25.429
convenient narrative versus like go to war. Right.

00:55:25.449 --> 00:55:28.070
And sometimes I wonder if we do those coverups

00:55:28.070 --> 00:55:30.829
to prevent like, well, yeah, if Saudi Arabia

00:55:30.829 --> 00:55:32.730
was fighting and killing all of our people in

00:55:32.730 --> 00:55:34.610
our soil, we would have to go to a war with Saudi

00:55:34.610 --> 00:55:37.070
Arabia. And I wonder if if it's kind of like

00:55:37.070 --> 00:55:41.170
a scapegoat in a way for that. Yeah. I mean,

00:55:41.190 --> 00:55:43.070
I don't think we'd go to, I mean, if the king

00:55:43.070 --> 00:55:45.769
of Saudi Arabia or prince is in Las Vegas and

00:55:45.769 --> 00:55:47.909
someone's trying to kill him, it's not really

00:55:47.909 --> 00:55:49.630
his fault. Like we're not going to go to war

00:55:49.630 --> 00:55:52.289
with Saudi Arabia. But if I'm ISIS and I'm trying

00:55:52.289 --> 00:55:55.090
to coordinate this attack to assassinate, I mean,

00:55:55.289 --> 00:55:57.070
we're already at war with ISIS, right? We're

00:55:57.070 --> 00:55:59.110
already at war with these terrorist groups. I

00:55:59.110 --> 00:56:02.239
mean, if I don't want to catch the blame, I'm

00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:03.940
going to be like, oh yeah, they pinned this guy

00:56:03.940 --> 00:56:06.480
Stephen Paddock. We'll just say he's an Islamist

00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:08.679
and he converted. Let's just try to divert the

00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:11.619
blame from us, at least in some way. But yeah,

00:56:11.699 --> 00:56:14.619
man, it gets wild, man. It's a wild story for

00:56:14.619 --> 00:56:18.159
sure. There's so much going on. There's so much

00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:21.239
that isn't released or admitted to in the mainstream

00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:25.860
media. It almost seems like a weird Jason Bourne

00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:29.119
movie, right? Something you see in the movies.

00:56:30.009 --> 00:56:32.630
A king is hanging out in Vegas, just trying to

00:56:32.630 --> 00:56:35.230
have some fun, chill, prance, whatever, whatever

00:56:35.230 --> 00:56:38.489
have you. Next thing you know, there's a diversion.

00:56:38.989 --> 00:56:41.989
It almost sounds like a Ocean's 12 or Ocean's

00:56:41.989 --> 00:56:44.949
13 or whatever. Like you're trying to do a heist,

00:56:45.050 --> 00:56:47.210
but instead of robbing the bank, you're trying

00:56:47.210 --> 00:56:50.429
to kill a king. And I think, I think someone,

00:56:50.869 --> 00:56:52.429
a terrorist group tried to kill him. You know,

00:56:52.469 --> 00:56:54.690
it's interesting too, because you would think...

00:56:54.780 --> 00:56:58.840
You have this main attack on this 22 ,000 person

00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.599
group listening to this concert. You would think

00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:03.639
these other gun battles would kill just random

00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:08.420
civilians. I think one person may have died by

00:57:08.420 --> 00:57:11.019
a stray bullet. And I think somebody, it's not

00:57:11.019 --> 00:57:13.980
unconfirmed, got shot in the hanger. Again, is

00:57:13.980 --> 00:57:15.880
that person shot in the hanger because there

00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:19.840
was a wound and they ran away and ran, hit out

00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:22.119
in the hangar. But there's obvious, you can hear

00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.730
the gunfights on audio. long after the main shooting

00:57:25.730 --> 00:57:28.050
stopped. But these people aren't shooting random

00:57:28.050 --> 00:57:29.789
civilians, right? Like you would think of terror,

00:57:29.809 --> 00:57:31.889
like you remember the Paris attack. These guys

00:57:31.889 --> 00:57:34.309
driving around on bikes just dumping clips into

00:57:34.309 --> 00:57:36.570
people in Paris. Like there's indiscriminately

00:57:36.570 --> 00:57:39.469
killing. The gunfire, the gunfights that were

00:57:39.469 --> 00:57:42.150
going off after the fact, after this main shooting,

00:57:42.670 --> 00:57:44.730
they weren't indiscriminately killing people.

00:57:44.849 --> 00:57:47.150
It almost sounded like an actual battle. There's

00:57:47.150 --> 00:57:48.789
targets. They're trying to get to what they're

00:57:48.789 --> 00:57:51.230
trying to get to. The other crew is trying to

00:57:51.230 --> 00:57:53.820
retreat and get the other person out. No one

00:57:53.820 --> 00:57:55.440
else is getting shot. No one else is getting

00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:58.940
killed. It's just, it's just a standard fallback

00:57:58.940 --> 00:58:00.599
gunfight the whole time. Someone's pressing,

00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:03.400
someone's falling back and nobody else is shot.

00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:05.840
Like there's no terrorists running around to

00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:07.679
shooting random people to Tropicana or whatever

00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:12.300
other casino that there is. So you can find clips.

00:58:12.619 --> 00:58:14.679
I mean, people found clips, people found guns.

00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.420
They were turned into the police, but no one

00:58:17.420 --> 00:58:19.980
else is really shot. And this battle raged for

00:58:19.980 --> 00:58:23.079
maybe another hour after the fact. I mean, when

00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:26.079
I say battle, I mean, random shots, people taking

00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.159
pop shots at one another as they're either pressing

00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.579
or falling back. But you would think if there's

00:58:30.579 --> 00:58:32.460
other terrorists there that were with the intention

00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:34.840
of just creating terror, they would just walk

00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:36.760
into the prop can and just dump clips everywhere.

00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.599
That didn't happen. It also could explain the

00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:42.000
slow in response, right? And only one SWAT officer

00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.780
eventually showing up to the Mandalay Bay because

00:58:44.780 --> 00:58:47.059
maybe there was all, you know, multiple active

00:58:47.059 --> 00:58:49.000
scenes that they were responding to. I mean,

00:58:49.019 --> 00:58:51.719
I can tell you from experience that these high

00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.400
profile events like concerts are most of the

00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:56.539
SWAT guys usually work those events, right? Like

00:58:56.539 --> 00:58:59.519
they're there, staged and ready. So it almost

00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:01.300
sounds like they could have been diverted to

00:59:01.300 --> 00:59:05.300
a secondary location or other locations along

00:59:05.300 --> 00:59:07.460
with it, which could have... reason why only

00:59:07.460 --> 00:59:09.820
one SWAT team member ultimately ended up at this

00:59:09.820 --> 00:59:12.619
hotel, which they maybe considered a cold scene

00:59:12.619 --> 00:59:14.639
by that point and something else was going on.

00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.539
That would line up with facts for me. And I think

00:59:17.539 --> 00:59:20.119
that's the most logical theory, right? At least

00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.539
in my mind, and we weren't there, we don't know,

00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:25.440
but it sounds like connective tissue between

00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:27.900
Saudi Arabia and the Islamic State. I don't think

00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:30.480
we can end this conversation because there is

00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.860
a very popular conspiracy theory out there that

00:59:32.860 --> 00:59:36.300
was driven by Alex Jones, which is... kind of

00:59:36.300 --> 00:59:39.679
quack but he leans hard into the conspiracy theory

00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.579
space is that the killing was coordinated or

00:59:43.579 --> 00:59:45.780
supported by members of the U .S. government

00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:48.960
or by members of the deep state and proponents

00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:52.179
of this view including Alex Jones himself claim

00:59:52.179 --> 00:59:54.780
that the incident was a false flag operation

00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:57.300
aimed to push a certain political objective such

00:59:57.300 --> 01:00:00.159
as gun control. The theorists frequently use

01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.559
the bump stock ban implemented in response to

01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:04.699
mass shootings to back up their accusations.

01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:07.280
And some theorists have referenced Las Vegas

01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.699
police delay response to Stephen Paddock's room

01:00:09.699 --> 01:00:12.920
during the shooting to back up those assertions.

01:00:13.219 --> 01:00:15.480
The leaking of the crime scene photographs from

01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:18.079
Stephen Paddock's suite after Las Vegas massacre

01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:21.530
really has fueled theories and due to questions

01:00:21.530 --> 01:00:25.199
of lack of transparency. Concerns are raised

01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.079
regarding whether the leaked images properly

01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.739
showed the crime scene as discovered by detectives

01:00:29.739 --> 01:00:32.480
of speculation of tampering, such as relocating

01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:35.440
Paddock's body before documentation, called into

01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:38.340
question the murder scene's initial condition.

01:00:38.860 --> 01:00:41.719
According to some of the eyewitnesses, 45 minutes

01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:44.699
before the massacre happened, as you stated earlier,

01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:46.300
an unknown woman exclaimed, you're all going

01:00:46.300 --> 01:00:49.280
to die, to concertgoers. She and that man she

01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.539
was with then were kind of let out by security

01:00:52.539 --> 01:00:55.519
and police. never determine whether this woman's

01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:58.400
mourning was related to the attack. Following

01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.380
the Las Vegas shooting, MGM witnessed a decrease

01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:03.900
in the stock price and theorists claim the unproven

01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:06.619
unusual stock market activity involving MGM Resorts,

01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.739
which owns Mandalay Bay where the shooter was

01:01:09.739 --> 01:01:13.639
positioned, such as a decline in that stock price

01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:15.719
and unusual trade volumes prior to the attack

01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:18.099
and as evidence of that foreknowledge. This is

01:01:18.099 --> 01:01:20.639
very similar to some of the 9 -11 conspiracy

01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:23.599
theories in both the use of unusual stock market

01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:25.940
activity and manipulation as evidence of prior

01:01:25.940 --> 01:01:28.460
knowledge to that major event. And financial

01:01:28.460 --> 01:01:30.260
analysis and investigative reports frequently

01:01:30.260 --> 01:01:32.420
demonstrate that unusual trading behavior does

01:01:32.420 --> 01:01:35.340
not always imply knowledge of an immediate incident.

01:01:35.900 --> 01:01:38.659
But these arguments remain hypothetical in absence

01:01:38.659 --> 01:01:41.980
of proof. An anonymous 4chan member going by

01:01:41.980 --> 01:01:44.480
the name of John posted a warning to stay away

01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.780
from Las Vegas on the 16th anniversary of 9 -11,

01:01:48.179 --> 01:01:50.320
citing an immediate deadly attack. And John,

01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:52.849
who merely sent a cryptic message suggested staying

01:01:52.849 --> 01:01:55.690
away from big parties in Henderson and Las Vegas

01:01:55.690 --> 01:01:58.309
and started that he knew in advance of a significant

01:01:58.309 --> 01:02:01.090
incident that was about to occur. Examination

01:02:01.090 --> 01:02:03.530
of these messages and timestamps and substance

01:02:03.530 --> 01:02:05.809
shown that many of them were posted after the

01:02:05.809 --> 01:02:07.889
shooting had already begun or were ambiguous

01:02:07.889 --> 01:02:11.050
or unreliable warnings. It seems like some people

01:02:11.050 --> 01:02:13.489
had some foreknowledge of this event. I don't

01:02:13.489 --> 01:02:16.949
really buy into the whole conspiracy theory of

01:02:16.949 --> 01:02:19.369
the United States government, but I think there

01:02:19.369 --> 01:02:22.349
is cover up involved. And I don't believe that

01:02:22.349 --> 01:02:25.369
if Paddock did act on this event, I don't believe

01:02:25.369 --> 01:02:28.670
that he acted alone to accomplish this task.

01:02:28.989 --> 01:02:31.530
But I think there's just stuff like many things

01:02:31.530 --> 01:02:33.409
out there that we're never going to know the

01:02:33.409 --> 01:02:35.909
true answer to. But I think some of it makes

01:02:35.909 --> 01:02:38.570
good logical sense with the Islamic State and

01:02:38.570 --> 01:02:41.380
Saudi Arabia. And it's things to think about,

01:02:41.500 --> 01:02:43.820
right? As you kind of assess your security out

01:02:43.820 --> 01:02:45.460
in the field. And when you go to these kinds

01:02:45.460 --> 01:02:47.199
of events, I know I'm always thinking about it

01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:49.920
when I bring my kids and wife along to keep everybody

01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.320
safe. And it's weird. I mean, it's just like,

01:02:52.380 --> 01:02:54.639
it kind of hearkens back to what we just witnessed

01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:57.320
not too long ago with the Charlie Kirk's assassination.

01:02:57.940 --> 01:02:59.920
And what was that guy that stood up and said,

01:02:59.940 --> 01:03:02.860
I did it, right? Like immediately after the incident.

01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:05.800
And he was some wacko, right? Like he was some

01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.599
wacko, but he was also with the Boston Marathon

01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:10.400
bombing, who also He also claimed that he did

01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:13.940
it there too. Yeah, it's so weird. It kind of

01:03:13.940 --> 01:03:15.920
feels the same, right? Like you're having these

01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.280
people that seem to have some type of foreknowledge

01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:19.980
or in the right place at the right time claiming

01:03:19.980 --> 01:03:21.539
responsibility. People are like, I don't listen

01:03:21.539 --> 01:03:25.039
to him. He's nuts. Well, he's at two major assassination

01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:28.340
things and that seems weird. Just by coincidence.

01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:30.420
I haven't been at one. What are the odds of me

01:03:30.420 --> 01:03:34.550
at totally? Like what is happening? Dude, but

01:03:34.550 --> 01:03:37.769
I want to kind of rewind here a bit. So we're

01:03:37.769 --> 01:03:42.090
talking about the SWAT, right? So, okay, this

01:03:42.090 --> 01:03:44.550
is where my brain goes, right? So you have a

01:03:44.550 --> 01:03:48.309
mass shooting at the Mandalay Bay, 22 ,000 people.

01:03:48.730 --> 01:03:51.250
You would think every SWAT officer within 50

01:03:51.250 --> 01:03:54.230
miles would be there, right? And you have one

01:03:54.230 --> 01:03:58.429
guy go upstairs with a bunch of Las Vegas Police

01:03:58.429 --> 01:04:02.159
Department guys, the breach of door. I assume

01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:07.480
LAPD, or I'm sorry, Las Vegas PD has at least

01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:10.380
a hundred SWAT guys, at least. Big place like

01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:12.820
that, right? Guys ready to rock and roll. So

01:04:12.820 --> 01:04:15.500
where are they? And so then I asked the question,

01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.079
if you know there's going to be some high value

01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:21.480
target or some high value potential target, I

01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:24.550
think they're there. And you could answer this

01:04:24.550 --> 01:04:27.289
question better than I could ever. But wherever

01:04:27.289 --> 01:04:29.530
you were a cop, I don't want to dox you, so we're

01:04:29.530 --> 01:04:32.130
not going to say. But if you had somebody that

01:04:32.130 --> 01:04:39.849
was super famous, super wealthy, guess for a

01:04:39.849 --> 01:04:43.570
lack of a better term, has a high hit mark on

01:04:43.570 --> 01:04:46.039
them, would your police department know? Most

01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:48.099
likely. Yeah, because you're coordinating the

01:04:48.099 --> 01:04:50.239
security to get them in, right? Because you're

01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:52.699
doing the blockades on the roads, like you're

01:04:52.699 --> 01:04:55.420
giving them escorts. Like nine times out of 10,

01:04:55.500 --> 01:04:57.099
you're probably going to know that they're there

01:04:57.099 --> 01:04:59.019
and not only know that they're there, you brought

01:04:59.019 --> 01:05:02.619
them there. And you probably have guys, maybe

01:05:02.619 --> 01:05:04.000
you don't have all your guys there. You probably

01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:05.800
have like one or two guys like, hey, stick around

01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:08.079
this guy. If someone goes down, let me know,

01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:10.639
call me and we'll get the boys there, right?

01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.159
Like you probably have somebody close, like coordinating

01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:15.760
their, your, I mean, people that rich and famous

01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.619
probably have high level security guides, but

01:05:18.619 --> 01:05:21.320
you probably have your own kind of liaison there

01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:23.280
to kind of, I'm gonna hang out with you. If you

01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.480
need something, let me know. So part of me thinks

01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:28.960
like when this hit started, all the SWAT went

01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.480
to this guy to get them out, right? Like screw

01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:34.059
the, screw the crowd. We don't want some crazy

01:05:34.059 --> 01:05:36.460
incident. We don't want a king or prince assassinated.

01:05:36.860 --> 01:05:38.840
So grab the SWAT guys. We're going to escort

01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:40.769
them through the city. get them to the airport,

01:05:40.969 --> 01:05:43.650
get them out of here. And I think that's probably

01:05:43.650 --> 01:05:46.110
what that gunfight was. Like the SWAT guys escorting

01:05:46.110 --> 01:05:48.230
this king or this prince out, where they're fighting

01:05:48.230 --> 01:05:50.170
these like pseudo, I'm just going to call them

01:05:50.170 --> 01:05:53.650
terrorists for lack of, these hit men. And that's

01:05:53.650 --> 01:05:55.730
where they all were. I mean, what else would

01:05:55.730 --> 01:05:57.829
make sense? You would think if something, if

01:05:57.829 --> 01:06:00.329
that wasn't the case, those hunter SWAT guys

01:06:00.329 --> 01:06:03.409
would be, you'd have those guys stacked up triple

01:06:03.409 --> 01:06:05.030
wide down the hallway, waiting to reach that

01:06:05.030 --> 01:06:07.769
door to get in there. But one guy shows up, doesn't

01:06:07.769 --> 01:06:10.800
make any sense, man. It's not like it's where

01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.960
I live or there's like no SWAT team and it's

01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.679
just police guys, right? You have like 20 police

01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.139
officers. That's it. Your SWAT team is doing

01:06:20.139 --> 01:06:22.639
something and they're not at that party. They're

01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:24.559
not at that event. They're not trying to breach

01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:26.119
that door because they know it's going down.

01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:27.780
And they're trying to get this king out because

01:06:27.780 --> 01:06:29.599
they don't want a huge international incident

01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:32.400
where somebody from Saudi Arabia that's either

01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.000
the king or the prince getting assassinated.

01:06:34.219 --> 01:06:36.619
Like that's their priority at that point. One

01:06:36.619 --> 01:06:38.179
of the things I know about, and I'm assuming

01:06:38.179 --> 01:06:40.480
it, I don't know the exact time frame of overlap

01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:42.960
here, but I'm assuming at that time, they still

01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:44.920
had a full -time SWAT team. It means that they

01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:47.519
always had a SWAT team on duty within the Las

01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.500
Vegas metropolitan area. So there was always

01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:51.960
guys on duty. And we talk about high profile

01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:54.199
events. Jason Aldean is a high profile event.

01:06:54.219 --> 01:06:56.099
So you would have your SWAT team there. Even

01:06:56.099 --> 01:06:57.800
if you don't, let's pretend we don't know the

01:06:57.800 --> 01:06:59.719
Crown Prince is there, right? Like you would

01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:03.119
have them at that event already. Though I could

01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.360
see them escorting them out of the city though.

01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:07.579
I think police officers training is a kind of

01:07:07.579 --> 01:07:09.559
serve and protect the masses. So that's like

01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:10.940
where they would go. They'd give them like one

01:07:10.940 --> 01:07:12.559
officer and be like, beat feet. We're going to

01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:15.480
go deal with all this gunfire that's happening.

01:07:15.900 --> 01:07:18.300
What I, the most logical theory that comes to

01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:21.820
my mind is a split scene, meaning that we don't

01:07:21.820 --> 01:07:24.139
know where the gunfire is coming from. So you,

01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:26.860
you go there, us three will go into the crowd

01:07:26.860 --> 01:07:28.519
and somebody go to the hanger, right? Like you

01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:30.460
have this split active scene where you're bouncing

01:07:30.460 --> 01:07:32.500
around and you don't know where to actually put

01:07:32.500 --> 01:07:35.869
your resources. So you split the team. up in

01:07:35.869 --> 01:07:37.630
order to accomplish those tasks. That's the only

01:07:37.630 --> 01:07:39.730
way I could see that team. And most teams don't

01:07:39.730 --> 01:07:42.929
ever split. It's not a routine thing that happens.

01:07:43.449 --> 01:07:45.829
But I think if it's like a swore zone and there's

01:07:45.829 --> 01:07:47.670
like gunfire at multiple different locations,

01:07:47.909 --> 01:07:49.730
they're just trying to put assets and experts,

01:07:49.909 --> 01:07:52.389
embed it with police resources. Meaning, because

01:07:52.389 --> 01:07:55.239
you're on the SWAT team, right? You're an expert

01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.679
in firearms and breaching and all this stuff.

01:07:57.820 --> 01:08:00.039
So go with these five police officers and run

01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:02.860
this tag team in order to breach that door and

01:08:02.860 --> 01:08:04.780
tag team to run to the airport and the tag team

01:08:04.780 --> 01:08:06.780
to hit the crowd. And so you're splitting your

01:08:06.780 --> 01:08:09.019
resources that way to give somebody the localized

01:08:09.019 --> 01:08:11.159
expert with people that probably don't know what

01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:13.059
the hell they're doing and doing these breaching

01:08:13.059 --> 01:08:15.179
exercises and engage in active shooters. So I

01:08:15.179 --> 01:08:17.479
can see with the chaos that you're just kind

01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:19.880
of. You're splitting your resources to tackle

01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:21.979
everything. But the only thing that throws a

01:08:21.979 --> 01:08:25.260
wrench into that theory to me is that they waited

01:08:25.260 --> 01:08:27.539
so damn long to brace the door. A lot of these

01:08:27.539 --> 01:08:30.420
scenes have now gone from hot to cold. So you

01:08:30.420 --> 01:08:32.380
know where better to place your resources and

01:08:32.380 --> 01:08:34.800
to kind of collect everything. So that's what

01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:37.119
I find weird is when it eventually brings you

01:08:37.119 --> 01:08:38.720
that door, it's a cold scene. Everybody knows

01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:40.520
it's a cold scene. Everybody knows this guy's

01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:43.000
dead or gone. He's not there. Well, I mean, I

01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.619
would think, too, if he knew where he was on

01:08:45.619 --> 01:08:49.279
the 32nd floor. Apparently, that's what the Las

01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:52.039
Vegas Police Department said. I mean, there's

01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:54.939
audio. You can hear somebody shooting up there.

01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:58.039
According to that, I would just send, I'm like,

01:08:58.140 --> 01:09:01.859
are you... All you MFers go up there and just

01:09:01.859 --> 01:09:03.920
take this out. But like one guy shows up like,

01:09:04.020 --> 01:09:05.779
hey guys, let's go. Let's see if that's gonna

01:09:05.779 --> 01:09:08.819
reach. I know if I was a cop and many cops that

01:09:08.819 --> 01:09:10.840
I served with, if it was just me, I would breach

01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:13.640
the door by myself, right? Because you have somebody

01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:15.859
shooting down from a 32nd floor. At least that's

01:09:15.859 --> 01:09:19.180
the theory that's given to us. And it's an active

01:09:19.180 --> 01:09:20.960
threat, right? It's not like he's contained.

01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:23.500
I mean, I guess he's contained into a room, but

01:09:23.500 --> 01:09:25.960
he has easy access to kill first responders,

01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.409
to kill more people. So it's an active threat.

01:09:29.529 --> 01:09:31.710
Unless you have strong suspicion that he ran

01:09:31.710 --> 01:09:34.310
out of ammunition, you're going to like actively

01:09:34.310 --> 01:09:36.829
engage that threat. And that's the training that's

01:09:36.829 --> 01:09:39.930
been given to officers really since post 9 -11,

01:09:39.949 --> 01:09:41.949
right? When the communication protocols started

01:09:41.949 --> 01:09:44.369
linking up and all those things started happening

01:09:44.369 --> 01:09:47.270
is I from day one out of police academy, I was

01:09:47.270 --> 01:09:50.149
trained on active shooter response. And basically

01:09:50.149 --> 01:09:52.710
you form up and go or do it the best you can.

01:09:52.710 --> 01:09:54.250
And that's when they started handing out back

01:09:54.250 --> 01:09:58.170
in like 2015 ish. It was like really rich. for

01:09:58.170 --> 01:10:00.630
every officer to have an M4 and if they didn't

01:10:00.630 --> 01:10:02.970
they had a shotgun at least but it kind of looked

01:10:02.970 --> 01:10:04.970
like a tag team when you have six officers with

01:10:04.970 --> 01:10:07.090
M4s I think you can deal with the threat most

01:10:07.090 --> 01:10:09.579
officers are Pretty effective, right? If you

01:10:09.579 --> 01:10:11.619
look at the officer count and how many people

01:10:11.619 --> 01:10:13.539
actually came from the military and have already

01:10:13.539 --> 01:10:16.100
trained on this equipment, it's pretty high,

01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:18.300
right? So you have combat veterans that may not

01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:19.859
even be on the SWAT team that are in the police

01:10:19.859 --> 01:10:21.960
force. So yeah, I mean, they might, they might

01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:24.020
be better at it than SWAT guys that they spent

01:10:24.020 --> 01:10:26.840
three years in Iraq or Afghanistan or something.

01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:29.640
It's still like, but like still like, so like

01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:31.520
you want to talk tactics, right? So you mentioned

01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:33.739
a good point. This guy has elevation, right?

01:10:33.819 --> 01:10:36.039
I think you would hit that hard and heavy knowing

01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:39.020
he's on the 32nd floor. He's dropping people

01:10:39.020 --> 01:10:41.899
on the ground and he's like, why would you wait?

01:10:42.579 --> 01:10:44.220
Knowing that first responders are gonna come

01:10:44.220 --> 01:10:46.539
and he's got the high ground. Do you have to

01:10:46.539 --> 01:10:48.579
hit that like it was yesterday at that point?

01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.279
Like you just, I don't care if you drive a, get

01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:52.840
a car up there and drive it through the door.

01:10:53.060 --> 01:10:55.479
You're hitting that with everyone you have. Right.

01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:57.319
And like you said, once why guy, I mean, whatever.

01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:00.140
Maybe the other cops were vets and they can clear

01:11:00.140 --> 01:11:02.239
a room like no other. I think the video would

01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:06.250
suggest. something different there. Like I, and

01:11:06.250 --> 01:11:09.449
when I say that, it just seems like they weren't

01:11:09.449 --> 01:11:11.689
really, it seemed like, it seems like they weren't

01:11:11.689 --> 01:11:13.390
concerned. It was like, they weren't scared.

01:11:13.670 --> 01:11:15.569
And again, it was a cold scene. It was, yeah.

01:11:15.789 --> 01:11:17.409
But you know what I mean? You don't want to,

01:11:18.050 --> 01:11:20.109
there's somewhere, there's somewhere and there's,

01:11:20.109 --> 01:11:22.369
and there's an hour after you saw here, machine

01:11:22.369 --> 01:11:24.609
gun fire going on at different parts of the city.

01:11:24.750 --> 01:11:28.189
I argue. I mean, again, I just fall back to the

01:11:28.189 --> 01:11:31.010
same point. These SWAT guys were busy helping

01:11:31.010 --> 01:11:35.920
this. High -value target get out of town Yeah,

01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:38.140
I mean it's think about would you be nervous

01:11:38.140 --> 01:11:40.060
breaching that door after waiting 20 minutes

01:11:40.060 --> 01:11:42.939
after? Multiple thousands of rounds go off and

01:11:42.939 --> 01:11:44.319
you're just sitting there listening and I don't

01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:46.239
think everything stops one or three the guys

01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:48.640
killed himself The guys ran out of ammunition

01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:51.659
or he's just setting you up a trap, but that's

01:11:51.659 --> 01:11:55.140
probably unlikely So I mean I would be nervous

01:11:55.140 --> 01:11:58.079
at all breaching that door I would. I mean, so,

01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:00.680
I mean, this is like a civilian standpoint, right?

01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:02.859
So either he's ratting in the corner, just waiting

01:12:02.859 --> 01:12:04.560
for you to break through and he's over this hose

01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:06.739
all year. It means I don't kill all y 'all. He

01:12:06.739 --> 01:12:09.479
might kill you or he's got bombs set up in there.

01:12:09.579 --> 01:12:11.920
That's what I'm worried about. Like he just dumped

01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:14.640
how many thousand rounds. How do I know when

01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:17.760
I breach his doors, I don't go off. That's what

01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:19.760
I'm worried about. That's why he got breaching

01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:22.140
there, right? Well, I'm saying like he's in the

01:12:22.140 --> 01:12:23.859
corner with a vest and just pushing the button.

01:12:23.899 --> 01:12:25.159
The next thing you know, the whole 30 second

01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:27.810
floor is gone. That that's what I'm not so concerned

01:12:27.810 --> 01:12:30.329
about breaching an orient shot. I mean, I mean

01:12:30.329 --> 01:12:33.609
that is a high concern I'm more concerned about

01:12:33.609 --> 01:12:35.470
I breached the door the whole team gets in there.

01:12:35.470 --> 01:12:39.539
He's like a few, a few guys. This blows the whole

01:12:39.539 --> 01:12:41.579
thing up. That's what I'm worried about more

01:12:41.579 --> 01:12:44.279
than anything else. I guarantee it. We were looking

01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:46.279
at it from a very layman's term, right? But I

01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:48.659
think about some of the devices we had, I guarantee

01:12:48.659 --> 01:12:50.539
there were listening devices. People were listening

01:12:50.539 --> 01:12:53.600
into that room, right? They were probably using

01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:55.800
other devices that could see heat signatures

01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:57.479
and this dude just laying on the ground, not

01:12:57.479 --> 01:12:59.840
moving, right? Like they probably had a lot of

01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:01.979
technical equipment there that tells them that

01:13:01.979 --> 01:13:04.859
this guy's probably dead. The other interesting

01:13:04.859 --> 01:13:08.279
thing, they found 50 pounds of Tannerite in the

01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:11.579
guy's trunk in the garage, the parking garage,

01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:13.779
which was interesting. He never brought that

01:13:13.779 --> 01:13:16.640
upstairs. And do you know what Tannerite's used

01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.279
for? It's part of explosion. I mean, an explosive

01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:21.939
device. Right. So you, but yeah, usually people

01:13:21.939 --> 01:13:24.840
use Tannerite when they shoot. So they put like

01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:27.100
a block of Tannerite, I can say, let's say a

01:13:27.100 --> 01:13:29.579
hundred yards. I don't think it's like a super,

01:13:29.739 --> 01:13:32.020
I mean, yes, this is explosive, but I think people

01:13:32.020 --> 01:13:34.930
choose other stuff to make. bombs with, but it's

01:13:34.930 --> 01:13:38.489
typically used for recreational shooters to shoot.

01:13:38.810 --> 01:13:40.630
Cause once you shoot it, it blows up and it looks

01:13:40.630 --> 01:13:44.529
cool. So it's not necessarily a weapon as is

01:13:44.529 --> 01:13:47.430
more of like a fireworks show. So I think that

01:13:47.430 --> 01:13:50.130
kind of layers up on top of the theory that this

01:13:50.130 --> 01:13:53.750
guy was displaying weapons and his objective

01:13:53.750 --> 01:13:55.869
was to say, Hey, here are all my cool guns. Let

01:13:55.869 --> 01:13:57.829
me sell them to you. How about tomorrow we go

01:13:57.829 --> 01:13:59.689
out. I got some Tannerite. We'll go to the middle

01:13:59.689 --> 01:14:01.869
of the desert. I cut a block so we can shoot

01:14:01.869 --> 01:14:04.100
them. And after that, hopefully he's hoping he

01:14:04.100 --> 01:14:08.300
gets a cell. Do you think they were wired though?

01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:10.699
Was he hoping to use it as a distractionary device

01:14:10.699 --> 01:14:13.680
to say, I'm not here, I'm over here? You talking

01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:15.359
about like, was he trying to blow up the car?

01:14:15.850 --> 01:14:18.310
Maybe like whether blow up the car or simulate

01:14:18.310 --> 01:14:20.750
gunshots to send law enforcement. No, so like

01:14:20.750 --> 01:14:22.829
it was just Tanner I it wasn't wired or I mean

01:14:22.829 --> 01:14:25.069
as far as I can I don't know that much about

01:14:25.069 --> 01:14:27.069
Tanner I just know it's explosive material, but

01:14:27.069 --> 01:14:29.489
I don't yeah, usually people operational shooting

01:14:29.489 --> 01:14:31.810
Yeah, usually people use it to shoot because

01:14:31.810 --> 01:14:33.489
they wouldn't you shoot it like it the compression

01:14:33.489 --> 01:14:36.449
makes it blow Does it sound like a gunshot or

01:14:36.449 --> 01:14:38.869
does it like I think it just blows up like anything

01:14:38.869 --> 01:14:42.369
else like a firecracker? Okay But it wasn't wired.

01:14:42.470 --> 01:14:44.729
It wasn't like the device was wired to blow.

01:14:44.850 --> 01:14:47.670
Like it was just 50 pounds of this block of tannerite

01:14:47.670 --> 01:14:49.829
in his truck. Do you think some of that was used

01:14:49.829 --> 01:14:53.010
to simulate secondary gunfire at different locations

01:14:53.010 --> 01:14:54.989
though? I don't think so. That could be a possibility,

01:14:55.329 --> 01:14:56.949
right? Me and Nan, that's a good point. But I

01:14:56.949 --> 01:14:59.829
don't think it would do the whole machine gun

01:14:59.829 --> 01:15:01.890
burst thing though. You would just hear like

01:15:01.890 --> 01:15:05.569
a burst. I think it's more evidence to suggest

01:15:05.569 --> 01:15:09.130
that he was trying to sell guns. And he was hoping

01:15:09.130 --> 01:15:12.380
that when these guys came up, They see the guns,

01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.600
they drink, get messed up, maybe go gamble. He

01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:17.039
probably was hoping for like a few extra bucks.

01:15:17.140 --> 01:15:18.859
Hey, give me some money to gamble because I'm

01:15:18.859 --> 01:15:21.060
kind of my luck. Next day we're going to go out

01:15:21.060 --> 01:15:23.359
and shoot. We'll shoot some Tannerite, you know,

01:15:23.420 --> 01:15:25.279
kind of get the dopamine spikes. And the guy's

01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:27.640
like, yeah, here's a hundred K for these 40 year

01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:30.239
guns or whatever. I think that's, I think that's

01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:33.630
what it was. There's a lot going on here. There's

01:15:33.630 --> 01:15:35.829
still a lot to unpack, but what do you think,

01:15:36.010 --> 01:15:38.829
what's your final takeaway for tonight? I think,

01:15:39.149 --> 01:15:42.989
okay, so my theory, and again, this is, I don't,

01:15:43.029 --> 01:15:45.409
I mean, sometimes, you know, I always hate to

01:15:45.409 --> 01:15:48.409
say conspiracy because nine times out of 10 conspiracy

01:15:48.409 --> 01:15:51.409
tends to be right, right? So my theory, which

01:15:51.409 --> 01:15:54.989
may have, which I may be incorrect in, I think

01:15:54.989 --> 01:15:57.810
he met some women. He's a, you know, sixties

01:15:57.810 --> 01:16:02.260
plus year old guy. down in his luck. One of them,

01:16:02.460 --> 01:16:04.779
yeah, I think one of them was his wife, knew

01:16:04.779 --> 01:16:08.239
him, she was, I think she was a Filipina, knew

01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:10.560
he had a bunch of guns, introduced him to some

01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:14.119
people, two other girls who, you know, knew he

01:16:14.119 --> 01:16:17.239
had a bunch of firearms. And somehow they had

01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:20.760
a connection with someone and probably terrorist

01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:24.000
related. He probably knew or didn't know or didn't

01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:26.260
care, right? He's like, all right, I'll sell

01:16:26.260 --> 01:16:28.520
my guns to terrorists. I need money. It doesn't

01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:31.119
matter as long as I'm not, you know, tied back

01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:34.500
to it. I think they arranged a buy. He wasn't

01:16:34.500 --> 01:16:38.340
entirely sure who he was selling to and he decided

01:16:38.340 --> 01:16:41.699
to rent a hotel room, two rooms connected, 32nd

01:16:41.699 --> 01:16:44.520
floor. Wanted to impress them because he wanted

01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.340
a big payday. He brought all the guns up, displayed

01:16:47.340 --> 01:16:50.659
them. I think the people came up. He was like,

01:16:50.659 --> 01:16:52.960
you know, give them this whole spiel, show them

01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:56.090
the guns. They popped them. They dropped a few,

01:16:56.449 --> 01:16:59.270
they started shooting from the rooftops at these

01:16:59.270 --> 01:17:02.069
people to cause distraction. And then they called

01:17:02.069 --> 01:17:05.010
their hit team to try to kill either the, I can't,

01:17:05.289 --> 01:17:07.329
it's either the prince or the king. The king

01:17:07.329 --> 01:17:09.369
was never verified to be there, but there's still

01:17:09.369 --> 01:17:12.170
some anecdotal evidence that he was. They were

01:17:12.170 --> 01:17:14.090
either trying to kill the king or prince. And

01:17:14.090 --> 01:17:15.609
next thing you know, there's a rolling gun fight

01:17:15.609 --> 01:17:18.949
through the streets and he was shot in the chest.

01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:22.220
dumped into the crowd on their way out. They

01:17:22.220 --> 01:17:24.159
popped in the head, got out of there, got on

01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:26.060
the rooftops, ran through, got down somehow.

01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:28.479
The other team was trying to assassinate this

01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:32.159
King Prince and they got onto the runway, helicopter

01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:36.079
landed, sorted them out. The hit guys just got

01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:38.319
out of town. That's what I think it was. I think

01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:40.640
that was a convenient narrative for the U .S.

01:17:40.899 --> 01:17:42.500
government because they don't want to think there's

01:17:42.500 --> 01:17:44.880
a rolling battlefield in Las Vegas. What do you

01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:47.989
think? It's I think it's a very good theory,

01:17:47.989 --> 01:17:52.210
right? I'm not gonna I Think it's a very confusing

01:17:52.210 --> 01:17:55.789
situation. I think for that theory to be successful

01:17:55.789 --> 01:17:58.550
You would have to have inside collaboration with

01:17:58.550 --> 01:18:00.310
the Las Vegas Police Department because I don't

01:18:00.310 --> 01:18:01.909
think you get away with it without it, right?

01:18:02.050 --> 01:18:04.670
like I don't think you have this exit strategy

01:18:04.670 --> 01:18:06.890
to be able to fire off all these rounds and and

01:18:06.890 --> 01:18:09.029
Logically get down the stairwell without interference

01:18:09.029 --> 01:18:12.229
from law enforcement at some point in time You

01:18:12.229 --> 01:18:15.159
know at least running into them or I find it

01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:17.180
rare that you are able to fire off that many

01:18:17.180 --> 01:18:21.949
rounds and get away with it. So I think it's

01:18:21.949 --> 01:18:24.770
a very good theory. I don't really know, right?

01:18:25.010 --> 01:18:26.489
Like, when you read all this evidence, I think

01:18:26.489 --> 01:18:29.310
there's so much that is obscured from what we

01:18:29.310 --> 01:18:32.510
have access to that I can't really apply a lot

01:18:32.510 --> 01:18:35.489
of my traditional, like, forensics reviews and

01:18:35.489 --> 01:18:37.670
investigative abilities to. I just think it's

01:18:37.670 --> 01:18:40.529
all, you know, we're all trying to understand,

01:18:40.550 --> 01:18:43.170
but nobody wants... It's like trying to understand

01:18:43.170 --> 01:18:45.369
Area 51, right? Like, because so many things

01:18:45.369 --> 01:18:48.550
are obscured from us. And what I can say is I've

01:18:48.550 --> 01:18:50.600
seen gunshot wounds turn into... to drowning

01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:53.659
deaths. I've been in courtrooms where cocaine

01:18:53.659 --> 01:18:56.100
turns into marijuana. I've seen all this kind

01:18:56.100 --> 01:18:58.180
of government cover -up kind of stuff that does

01:18:58.180 --> 01:19:01.239
occur. So I know it happens. I think it's a good

01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:04.460
possibility. The US government, if that is accurate,

01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:06.060
the US government's never going to tell you.

01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:07.880
It's always going to be hidden from our view,

01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:11.130
and we'll never know that it existed. But I think

01:19:11.130 --> 01:19:12.949
it's a very good possibility. I think it's pretty

01:19:12.949 --> 01:19:16.250
convenient that, you know, Mohammed bin Salam,

01:19:16.310 --> 01:19:18.869
if I'm saying his name correctly, he was at that

01:19:18.869 --> 01:19:21.630
hotel. It was during the Saudi Arabia purge when

01:19:21.630 --> 01:19:23.529
these events were occurring and they were cutting

01:19:23.529 --> 01:19:25.590
up journalists and they were they're trying to

01:19:25.590 --> 01:19:28.029
depose all these people and kind of freeze them

01:19:28.029 --> 01:19:30.609
out of the government. So and you know, you have

01:19:30.609 --> 01:19:32.770
the Islamic State that are coming out and claiming

01:19:32.770 --> 01:19:36.380
responsibility for it. And if you're a government

01:19:36.380 --> 01:19:38.840
official and you want to take out some people

01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:41.279
and in an unofficial capacity almost because

01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:44.260
you're going after them, you'd probably use the

01:19:44.260 --> 01:19:46.760
Islamic State in order to kind of function in

01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:49.520
that capacity to do your dirty work. And there's

01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:51.420
a lot of things that connect Osama bin Laden

01:19:51.420 --> 01:19:54.159
to the Saudi Arabia as well. So they have been

01:19:54.159 --> 01:19:56.180
kind of trading those corridors for a long time,

01:19:56.180 --> 01:19:58.199
but the US government's never going to tell you

01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:00.479
that happened. But I think it's a pretty good

01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:05.210
fit. So I want you to please mine. So My only

01:20:05.210 --> 01:20:08.170
question for you, main shooting happens, right?

01:20:08.430 --> 01:20:10.710
Let's just say it's Stephen Paddock, 32nd floor,

01:20:11.310 --> 01:20:13.729
dumps on a crowd, kills himself. What are the

01:20:13.729 --> 01:20:16.029
gunshots after the fact? Like an hour after the

01:20:16.029 --> 01:20:19.840
fact, you hear a burst. What is that? There's

01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:22.000
very little explanation for if this guy's already

01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:25.539
dead and not shooting. There's either a sympathetic

01:20:25.539 --> 01:20:28.979
fire, there's people mistaking the shooter and

01:20:28.979 --> 01:20:30.819
seeing some guy with a gun, whether it's a law

01:20:30.819 --> 01:20:33.600
enforcement officer in plain clothes, a scared

01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:36.220
civilian carrying a CCW and firing rounds at

01:20:36.220 --> 01:20:38.939
each other. I've been in places like during Hurricane

01:20:38.939 --> 01:20:42.979
Katrina where I've held FBI agents at gunpoint

01:20:42.979 --> 01:20:44.920
and they're pointing their Fords at me because

01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:47.380
nobody knows what the hell is going on. that

01:20:47.380 --> 01:20:49.640
state of confusion and panic where nobody knows

01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:52.319
what the hell's going on can breed some bad stuff

01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:56.020
that occurs, but outside of that kind of like,

01:20:56.060 --> 01:20:58.819
just like fog of war that's happening, there's

01:20:58.819 --> 01:21:01.100
not a great explanation for it unless he also

01:21:01.100 --> 01:21:03.939
had a diversionary device, right? If what he

01:21:03.939 --> 01:21:06.560
says like he barred the door, he had this L -bracket

01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:08.420
that would prevent people from breaching it initially.

01:21:09.020 --> 01:21:11.220
And you said he had the, I forget what you called

01:21:11.220 --> 01:21:14.539
it, but the gun target practice stuff in his

01:21:14.539 --> 01:21:17.500
vehicle. That's kind of right. He could have

01:21:17.500 --> 01:21:20.569
set up secondary devices because I think people

01:21:20.569 --> 01:21:22.909
with a tactical mindset, right? If they plan

01:21:22.909 --> 01:21:25.430
to escape that situation, most, let's be clear,

01:21:25.590 --> 01:21:27.789
most mass shooters don't plan to escape, right?

01:21:27.789 --> 01:21:29.550
They plan to kill as many people as they can

01:21:29.550 --> 01:21:32.050
and kill themselves. But if his plan was to escape

01:21:32.050 --> 01:21:34.250
that event and kind of end up like his father

01:21:34.250 --> 01:21:36.430
on the America's Most Wanted and, you know, the

01:21:36.430 --> 01:21:38.670
top 10 list and he wanted to get away with it,

01:21:38.770 --> 01:21:41.630
perhaps he set up secondary distractions that

01:21:41.630 --> 01:21:44.170
weren't real gunfire, but were like distractionary

01:21:44.170 --> 01:21:46.569
devices that drew resources away. Because if

01:21:46.569 --> 01:21:48.149
you're planning your escape, you want to pull

01:21:48.149 --> 01:21:50.000
people from the scene to give you more opportunity

01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.819
to get out of there. I just say, I think that

01:21:52.819 --> 01:21:54.479
the one thing that kind of sticks out to me.

01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:57.020
So like, according to the mainstream, like you

01:21:57.020 --> 01:22:01.500
dump 1100 rounds into a crowd, right? Jesus Campos

01:22:01.500 --> 01:22:03.619
comes up to your door and you shoot him through

01:22:03.619 --> 01:22:06.560
the door, right? You still have another hour

01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:08.800
before those cops breach your door. Why didn't

01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:10.819
you dump the rest of the 4 ,000 rounds you have?

01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:13.100
You think you just go to town. I've been found

01:22:13.100 --> 01:22:14.520
out. I'm just going to keep dumping my rounds.

01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:17.140
Why all of a sudden, like, as Zeus Campos comes

01:22:17.140 --> 01:22:20.220
out, you shoot him through the door. bus's leg

01:22:20.220 --> 01:22:22.420
and then you decide all right it's time to check

01:22:22.420 --> 01:22:25.739
out I feel like I feel like you would be like

01:22:25.739 --> 01:22:28.260
all right I'm gonna go out and stop dump every

01:22:28.260 --> 01:22:31.119
clip I have and I'm suicide by cop at that point

01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:33.180
or jump out the window I still have a lot of

01:22:33.180 --> 01:22:35.659
guns with a lot of ammo I'm gonna keep dumping

01:22:35.659 --> 01:22:38.460
like why all some time out what I've seen in

01:22:38.460 --> 01:22:40.720
the past and this may not explain this particular

01:22:41.480 --> 01:22:43.979
scenario, right, is that they can't live with

01:22:43.979 --> 01:22:45.739
the shame, meaning that if you're standing on

01:22:45.739 --> 01:22:47.779
the 32nd floor, spraying and praying, right,

01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:49.439
just shooting a bunch of rounds, you're looking

01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:51.359
at ants that you're shooting at. You're not seeing

01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:52.960
the blood. You're not seeing the gore. You're

01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:55.159
not seeing the panic and cries and all this stuff.

01:22:55.420 --> 01:22:57.359
When you shoot somebody up close, it's personal,

01:22:57.420 --> 01:22:59.840
right? And it's a bunch different scenario than

01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:02.180
somebody really far away. So a lot of people,

01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:04.899
like, once they do it, they just can't live with

01:23:04.899 --> 01:23:06.140
the shame anymore. Like, what the hell did I

01:23:06.140 --> 01:23:08.300
just do? I know I'm just going to check out.

01:23:10.340 --> 01:23:13.000
once someone came to his door, he kind of realized

01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:14.739
that he was like a beast. I think he realized

01:23:14.739 --> 01:23:17.220
he was screwed, right? Like in my opinion, if

01:23:17.220 --> 01:23:20.020
he is the shooter, he's now shot some, like people

01:23:20.020 --> 01:23:22.020
know where he's at. He just shot somebody and

01:23:22.020 --> 01:23:23.779
he probably has a good inclination. He may not

01:23:23.779 --> 01:23:26.119
have killed them and he's not exiting, right?

01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:29.380
So he knows resources are coming this way and

01:23:29.380 --> 01:23:32.020
he's probably now seeing like screams. That guy

01:23:32.020 --> 01:23:33.680
was screaming like how, which could you not,

01:23:33.819 --> 01:23:36.180
right? Like getting hit and trying to live with

01:23:36.180 --> 01:23:38.220
that shame. And, and a lot of people are like,

01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:41.020
well, what if I do? captured and not die, right?

01:23:41.100 --> 01:23:42.619
Like, I don't want to take that chance because

01:23:42.619 --> 01:23:44.619
I don't actually want to face the music for all

01:23:44.619 --> 01:23:46.880
the horrible crap that I just brought onto the

01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:48.800
world and the families that were at these events.

01:23:49.260 --> 01:23:51.840
So they checked out early. You make a good point.

01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:53.920
I think the only thing that kind of just looking

01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:55.840
at the evidence, the fact that there was a dried

01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:58.500
bloodshot wound on his chest and the fresh bloodshot

01:23:58.500 --> 01:24:01.239
wound in his head, that's a little weird. That's

01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:03.779
almost impossible. I mean, I just tell you from

01:24:03.779 --> 01:24:06.420
experience is almost impossible. And I think

01:24:06.420 --> 01:24:08.359
it's that point zero zero one that I've seen

01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:10.520
it before is point zero zero. You just never

01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:13.500
see it. It just doesn't happen. I've seen people

01:24:13.500 --> 01:24:16.340
shoot themselves many times and they get medical

01:24:16.340 --> 01:24:18.600
help afterward and they end up surviving. I've

01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:20.640
seen guys blast their face off with shotguns

01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:24.100
and survive. But it's very rare to do that follow

01:24:24.100 --> 01:24:27.800
up around. And it's almost impossibility that

01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:30.180
you do it. Several, I don't know, an hour later

01:24:30.180 --> 01:24:32.159
or however long it takes the blood to dry. I'm

01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:33.539
assuming a significant amount of time because

01:24:33.539 --> 01:24:35.500
it's an active bleed. I don't even know, did

01:24:35.500 --> 01:24:37.619
he pack his wound? What the hell is he doing

01:24:37.619 --> 01:24:41.279
with this bullet wound? It's just to dry up.

01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:45.100
But it's very rare. I think of all things I've

01:24:45.100 --> 01:24:47.399
heard, I think for me, that's the biggest kind

01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:49.779
of smoking gun. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

01:24:50.220 --> 01:24:53.020
It almost seems like someone shot him. They dumped

01:24:53.020 --> 01:24:56.039
onto the crowd briefly for 10 minutes. I think

01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:58.569
what happened was he went up to the room. He

01:24:58.569 --> 01:25:00.289
closed the door. They were talking for like two

01:25:00.289 --> 01:25:02.270
minutes. They popped them and then they were

01:25:02.270 --> 01:25:04.909
setting everything up. Maybe waited an hour,

01:25:05.170 --> 01:25:07.550
dumped it to the crowd for 10 minutes on their

01:25:07.550 --> 01:25:10.789
way out. Captain, they shot Jesus in the leg

01:25:10.789 --> 01:25:13.470
and then tapped the other guy and just a fresh

01:25:13.470 --> 01:25:15.489
wound and got out. I don't know how they got

01:25:15.489 --> 01:25:19.380
out. They must've had something. laid out to

01:25:19.380 --> 01:25:21.579
the T. I could see, right? Because one of the

01:25:21.579 --> 01:25:24.039
things you were telling me is that a cop had

01:25:24.039 --> 01:25:26.840
breached the door and fired rounds. Yeah. Right?

01:25:27.180 --> 01:25:29.600
Like inadvertently, apparently to his report.

01:25:30.060 --> 01:25:31.939
One of the things I could see is this guy shot

01:25:31.939 --> 01:25:34.399
himself in the chest and he died from that wound.

01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:36.939
Cop entered the room, saw a man laying on the

01:25:36.939 --> 01:25:38.659
floor with a gun near him, got nervous and shot

01:25:38.659 --> 01:25:40.500
him in the head. And I just never reported that.

01:25:40.819 --> 01:25:44.439
So I think he, yeah, I mean, that's a good point.

01:25:44.500 --> 01:25:46.899
I can't remember. I felt like when they breached

01:25:46.899 --> 01:25:49.380
the first room, they saw him dead. And they were

01:25:49.380 --> 01:25:51.760
kind of getting their wits about them. And like

01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:53.579
five minutes later, they breached the other room,

01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:55.659
like the second room. And then when they breached

01:25:55.659 --> 01:25:58.100
that room, that's when the guy did the desk pop.

01:25:58.779 --> 01:26:01.300
But I don't think he was in that room. He was

01:26:01.300 --> 01:26:03.439
in the first room they breached. So I don't know,

01:26:03.539 --> 01:26:05.560
man. It's an interesting story. I think there's

01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:08.739
enough evidence to suggest that. I mean, whether

01:26:08.739 --> 01:26:11.960
or not Stephen Paddock shot, didn't shoot, I

01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:13.439
think there was something else going on. I mean,

01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:16.279
I'm not trying to absolve him of what he did

01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:18.399
or didn't do. I don't really have an opinion.

01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:22.520
I'd lean toward him not shooting, and I lean

01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:25.800
toward him not being willingly involved. But

01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:27.699
either way, even if he was involved, even if

01:26:27.699 --> 01:26:29.600
he was a shooter, something else was going on

01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:32.260
inside that city after the fact. Sure. Yeah,

01:26:32.260 --> 01:26:35.460
it's one of the crazier stories that we have

01:26:35.460 --> 01:26:38.319
out there. Like I said, I don't, it's hard because

01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:39.960
we don't have all the details. So it's hard to

01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:41.800
pinpoint what exactly occurred. I could argue

01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:45.020
both ways, right? The Saudi Arabia connection

01:26:45.020 --> 01:26:47.779
is very convincing. The honeypot theory is very

01:26:47.779 --> 01:26:50.279
convincing to me. It also could just be kind

01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:52.359
of some stupidity that would be convincing to

01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:54.760
why law enforcement screwed it up. Yeah, man.

01:26:54.819 --> 01:26:57.699
And with any profession, you have mistakes and

01:26:57.699 --> 01:27:00.500
mistakes can happen when you're under intense

01:27:00.500 --> 01:27:03.399
pressure and intense fear and your day to day

01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:06.760
job is nothing like that one incident where you

01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:08.140
might have once in your career and you're like,

01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:12.279
what the heck? I forgot all my training all of

01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:14.680
a sudden. This sucks. Sure. Yeah, it happens

01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:16.699
all the time, man. People freak out and they

01:27:16.699 --> 01:27:18.539
learn they shouldn't be a cop anymore. At least

01:27:18.539 --> 01:27:20.500
the good ones do because they go do something

01:27:20.500 --> 01:27:24.659
different. But what do you want to leave the

01:27:24.659 --> 01:27:27.279
audience with tonight? man it's been a while

01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:29.819
since we had an episode we uh we had christmas

01:27:29.819 --> 01:27:33.079
new years i had vacation my brother was sick

01:27:33.079 --> 01:27:37.420
so it's our first episode in a few weeks uh same

01:27:37.420 --> 01:27:39.720
thing i like to say all the time jesus loves

01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:43.140
you we love you i love you brother and uh man

01:27:43.140 --> 01:27:46.260
i think with anything that you see in the media

01:27:46.260 --> 01:27:49.060
you have to question you really have to question

01:27:49.060 --> 01:27:52.079
it's not about left or right it's really about

01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:54.649
what's right and what's wrong right You don't

01:27:54.649 --> 01:27:57.649
have to be a Republican, Democrat. Still, at

01:27:57.649 --> 01:27:59.210
the end of the day, man, it's about what's right

01:27:59.210 --> 01:28:02.289
and what's wrong. And I wouldn't die on a hill

01:28:02.289 --> 01:28:06.449
just because, you know, you're blue or red. You

01:28:06.449 --> 01:28:08.989
have to observe each situation for what it is,

01:28:09.250 --> 01:28:12.729
put it up against God's word. And these are discernment

01:28:12.729 --> 01:28:15.369
because, brother, the more and more I see in

01:28:15.369 --> 01:28:17.470
today's world, the more and more crazy and confusing.

01:28:17.630 --> 01:28:19.890
It's actually not even that confusing. It's just

01:28:19.890 --> 01:28:24.609
crazy. I think the difference between right and

01:28:24.609 --> 01:28:26.590
wrong is not even gray anymore. It's black and

01:28:26.590 --> 01:28:29.489
white. I see a lot of concerning things going

01:28:29.489 --> 01:28:33.810
on and it worries me. It worries me because I

01:28:33.810 --> 01:28:39.289
think we're getting close. It's raising kids

01:28:39.289 --> 01:28:44.210
that worries me. I'm older now so I look forward

01:28:44.210 --> 01:28:47.869
to the return of Christ. It's your kids and what

01:28:47.869 --> 01:28:49.449
life are they going to grow up with before we

01:28:49.449 --> 01:28:52.670
get there? That is scary. But like you said,

01:28:52.890 --> 01:28:56.130
man, it's good to be back. We have a lot more

01:28:56.130 --> 01:28:57.630
coming. I'm sure we're going to have a lot more

01:28:57.630 --> 01:29:00.090
interesting interviews as we tread down the course.

01:29:00.229 --> 01:29:02.289
I kind of call this our season two because it's

01:29:02.289 --> 01:29:05.449
our upstart in year two. You know, we did a lot

01:29:05.449 --> 01:29:08.970
of episodes in 2025 or here in 2026 now and we're

01:29:08.970 --> 01:29:10.710
kicking things off a little later than we wanted

01:29:10.710 --> 01:29:14.670
to just because of, you know, vacation and holidays

01:29:14.670 --> 01:29:18.119
and man, that flu is... nasty. Take care of yourself

01:29:18.119 --> 01:29:20.539
if you're sick out there. But love you brother.

01:29:21.140 --> 01:29:23.239
And like you said, man, use discernment. It's

01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:26.000
not right or blue. It's right or wrong. And you

01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:28.340
know, I'm not a very political person. So I'm

01:29:28.340 --> 01:29:30.100
under the impression that whether it's red or

01:29:30.100 --> 01:29:31.859
blue, everybody's looking to take advantage of

01:29:31.859 --> 01:29:34.500
you one way or another. So I think most of it's

01:29:34.500 --> 01:29:37.960
bullshit. So yeah, use your use your discernment.

01:29:37.979 --> 01:29:39.800
Stay close to your Bible. Read the word of God

01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:41.909
and we'll see you next week. And until then,

01:29:42.090 --> 01:30:04.630
we are Zero Signal. We're out. Alright, so check

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