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Welcome back to Zero Signal. I am David and as

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always, I'm sitting here with my co -host, Jay.

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Today we're going back to the NASA archives and

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into a mystery that's been hiding in plain sight

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for almost 60 years. My guest is a historian

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and researcher, Ed Wilson, author of a two -part

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nonfiction investigation, the SimSkin NASA Archive

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UFO and hidden under your nose. Across these

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books, Ed documents more than 150 early NASA

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photographs. Some of them once secret, digs into

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Gemini 11 mission transcripts and technical.

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debriefings and uses modern forensic imaging

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and AI to argue that NASA's own archival photos

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and film show a consistent unexplained craft,

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a genuine UFO and the Gemini 11 material. And

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that's been effectively hidden in plain sight

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for decades. His work hasn't stayed on the fringe.

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It's been taken seriously by scientists, journalists,

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congressional staff, and is currently under study

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by the House Oversight Committee UAP investigation.

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Tonight, we're going to talk about what he found

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in those archives, why it matters for NASA's

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history and how war secrecy may still be shaping

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what we think about what we know about space.

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But before we dive into all that, let's start

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with the person behind the lens. And for people

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who are just meeting you through this conversation,

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who are you and how do you describe what you

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do? I want to say thanks to everybody out there.

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It's nice to have a chance to talk to people

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who are informed. My name is Ed Wilson and I

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have a different background from most UFO researchers

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today. Originally, I was a historian and rare

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book and document dealer. That was only until

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I rediscovered what is most important piece of

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NASA photography ever. We're going to be talking

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about a lot of pictures. For God's sake, I've

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got all the pictures. You'll be able to see them

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on my book covers, both front and back. I've

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got all the pictures of the UFO you want. You

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don't have to buy it. My idea is to get the pictures

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out there, but don't wreck your car if you're

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driving. The name is Simkinson. They just did

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a podcast in England and they didn't realize

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that it's not. I just think of Bart Simkins,

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right? Remember they did a beautiful cartoon,

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The Simpsons. Everybody loves The Simpsons. This

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is Simkinson with a K -I -N, so S -I -N. N -P

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-K -I -N -S -O -N. Go to Amazon and they show

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lovely pictures, front covers of both books that

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are already there. You can see these things without

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paying for anything. I'll hold some of these

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photos, these covers up for you guys to see them

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and other photos. The photos are great. As I

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said, that's the Simkinson NASA Archive UFO.

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And the only reason it survived is because NASA's

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original Space Task Group chief engineer, Scott

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Simkinson, preserved it in his personal archive

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where it sat untouched in the family basement

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since 1996. saw it, it's obvious immediately

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when you see it. It's an indisputable flying

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saucer. I began cross -checking it against NASA's

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own material. The lithograph wasn't an isolated

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incident. The same object shows up again in NASA's

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official Gemini 11 Hasselblad photographs, in

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one Maurer camera photograph, and again in the

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never -before -seen 16 ,000 -frame RCA D -15

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mission that I recovered from the National Archives.

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And when you line them all up, the secret lithograph,

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the public NASA photos, the hidden RC camera

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footage, the objects match. and all of them.

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They're different angles, different lighting,

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and different cameras, but it's the same craft.

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We're dealing with a documented sequence of events

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NASA never intended the public to see. This isn't

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folklore. This isn't a story someone told somebody.

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This is forensic archival scientific evidence.

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We have NASA astronaut voice transcripts reporting

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weird craft in real time. We have NASA's technical

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debriefings where the astronauts deny seeing

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any anomalies except one, the exact anomaly that

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occurred during the D -15 battery failure. And

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again, we have a six minute communications gap,

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which is a classic signature marker in NASA.

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anomalous events. We have a perfect, indisputable

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cloud pattern match between the lithograph and

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NASA's own frame S66 54585, a scientifically

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verifiable match that proves the lithograph originated

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from a real NASA Gen 11 photograph. We have timestamped

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artifacts on the RCA film that indicate missing

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digital frames that should exist, and you can

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read it for yourself in NASA's own Johnson Space

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Center oral history, the testimony from NASA's

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legendary photographic director Richard Underwood

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in his official oral history interview, he states

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clearly that no one outside a small security

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cleared group has ever seen a first generation

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NASA photograph. Every image the public has ever

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seen. Every image researchers have ever seen.

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Every image you've ever seen and Congress too

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is from a third generation negative. Make sure

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you understand what this means. It means we have

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never seen the original NASA negatives. So when

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you take all of this together, the lost lithograph,

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the matching Hasselblad photo, the 16 ,000 frames

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of hidden RCA footage, the astronaut transcripts,

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the cloud pattern verification, the missing timestamps,

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the National Archives of Recovery, and the CIA.

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MPIC duplication systems. We now know we're in

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operation. That's something NASA can't explain.

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The craft in these frames are not lights. They

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are not lens flares. They are not reflections.

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They are structured objects photographed by NASA

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across multiple camera systems. It's all 100

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% NASA imagery. Don't take my word for it. Follow

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the NASA trail and believe your own eyes. The

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American public deserves transparency and that's

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why I'm here today. Now you know exactly what

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some of these topics are. I'm ready to discuss

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wherever you guys would like to start. You'd

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like to start with a picture. Let me hold one

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up. When you want to see a picture, just go to

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Amazon website. The name is Simkins UFO. That's

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the book cover. When you take away all that print,

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the white lettering and stuff, that is the actual

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six by nine inch lithograph that I found in the

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back of the Gemini 11 binder, one of 31 binders

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of imagery that I purchased from an auction.

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And I had no idea it was in there. Now this book

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is filled with over 150 artifacts. Let's close

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in a little bit so that you can see what that

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UFO is. actually looks like. Do you see the glow

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around it? Do you see how the lights, the portholes

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are not even? And that's what originally people

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thought, oh, that's a cheap, they can't even

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make the portholes even. They're not portholes.

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Not really sure what they are, but I think they're

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more than likely energy dispersal systems. The

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way the craft works and what I know now from

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some of the newest engineering feats being done

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on the nano engineering level, that hall is layered

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meta materials. That is energy being dispersed.

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That's an energy dispersal system and it's verified

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by the around it. That's in 1966, Sammy. There's

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an 80 -page report from Micro Trace Laboratories

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in Chicago, Illinois. I paid $5 ,000 for this

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report, okay? And that's been back when Whoppers

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were two for $5. It's extensive scientific report.

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You look on the back, those color images are

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part of the 80 -page report. They did an analysis

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of the lithograph. I have the chain of custody

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documentation on the back. You can look at them.

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You can see for yourself what's going on. This

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is the interesting photo right here. This is

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who these guys are. You see that photograph?

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That's the the very first Mercury capsule the

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United States ever built. And those guys are

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the group of engineers from Lewis Field. It was

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called Lewis Field back when it was the Army

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Air Corps, and that was the research center for

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the Army Air Corps. Lewis Field was where NACA,

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the predecessor to NASA, lived. And that guy

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right there in the center, next to that lovely

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girl, the big tubby one, that's Scott Hanson,

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and that's his secretary, who was there with

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him to the day of his death. You can read about

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it. She was there. There's another archive. his

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office in Cape Canaveral. When he died, she was

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living with him in Houston, and that's where

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the Johnson Space Center was. He had an office

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in the Johnson Space Center, and that's where

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my archive came from. When he died, she had to

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go all the way to Cape Canaveral, and she was

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alone. She never married. They didn't have any.

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She donated what was in his office there to the

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University of Southern Florida. You can find

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that documented too, and it says right there,

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was donated by Emily. So they were never married,

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but in all the documents found inside, you can

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hear the astronauts. There's hearts. birthday

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images, and the photos in here are amazing. This

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is going to be the finest archive of the earliest

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NASA photos ever. Here's exactly why. This is

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the guy who took those boys from Cleveland and

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formed NASA. That was the very first NASA space

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capsule. He was the guy who pushed the button

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that lit it off. Not only that, but he built

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the block houses inside. Just some of the beautiful

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pictures. That's inside the very first block

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house. There's one of the missiles he's launched.

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You just won't find these anywhere else. That's

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Scott Jensen, the head of NASA at that time,

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George Lowe. That guy standing... Next to him

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is the first American in outer space. And the

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guy in the bow tie, that's Scott. That's the

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first capsule that they're going to launch him

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on. That's how wonderful this archive is for

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you. These are all big. This is a nine and a

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half by 11. Nobody else has this collection of

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photos. This is from the guy who built the block

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houses. The head engineer, the lead engineer

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you saw around the first capsule he built. Got

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pictures of him in there with President Eisenhower.

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You just saw America's very first astronaut there.

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The archive is beautiful over 150 pictures. You

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can see the components of the Atlas rocket that

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they launched these guys up on. You can see exactly

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every wire and what it was done. Those were secret.

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Nobody was supposed to see those. That was our

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ICBM missile. And that's how brave these guys

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were. These great guys were so brave. Everyone

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remembers there were nine manned Mercury missions,

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but he includes all the documentation for all

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17 Mercury missions. There were 17 Mercury missions.

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Only nine of them were manned. And you've got

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the beautiful pictures of the chimpanzees that

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they launched off into space. Just eating fruit

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and stuff after they got back successfully. Heritage

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Auctions in Dallas, Texas, they make my living

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on rare books and documents. I knew that these

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were valuable photos. That's why I bought the

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archive before I knew that lithograph was in

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there. I'm a historian. That's the origins of

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NASA when it was still NACA, okay? So that's

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to me as a historian, it's the most valuable

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thing ever. The last ones, the guys landing on

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the moon and stuff, I sold those off. I sold

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232 of those photographs at Heritage Auctions

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for over $80 ,000. The pictures in this book

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are not jokes. This whole collection is not a

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joke. You can go to Heritage Auctions, and I

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made sure they listed it as from the archive

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of Scott Simpkins. So this is not a joke. When

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you've got guys spending $80 ,000, to me, that

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says a lot. There's a lot of investigation that

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I do in resources, and I know you want to do

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it too. When it comes to money, a lot of us say

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that's proof enough. So if you want proof that

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this is a valid archive, you can look that up

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just by going to Heritage Auctions. Were you

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shocked to find some of these pictures when you

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bought this set off the auction? My business

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is collecting stuff and getting it into museums

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and not letting it be wasted. So I knew that

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the pictures were great. The authenticity of

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them had to be verified. As a rare book and document

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dealer, the reason I researched so much is I

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spend lots of money to buy things at auction,

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but I have to know that they're valid. If I buy

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something and it's a fake, I lose my entire investment.

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So my whole life revolves around. documenting

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genuine nature of artifacts. I knew what they

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were and I said, these are valuable if they're

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real. So I had to go there and verify for myself

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that they were the real thing. And obviously

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they were. I was so pleased. There were rare

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documents and I still have those. I will auction

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those off eventually, but there were things in

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there that didn't belong and that's where the

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confusion came in. You saw Emily Earl there.

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In the first book, there's a whole page of a

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NASA newsletter from mid -60s. It's got a lovely

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picture of Emily. Everything I tell you is from

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a document, not me making it. any event, you'll

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see it with your own eyes. It says, Emily Erdl

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of such and such a department, she was the first

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female employee at Cape Canaveral. So not only

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is Scott Simp, the guy who built the Rockets

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and the Blockhouse, but his main squeeze, Emily,

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was the very first female employee at NASA. She

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started at NACA in 1945. Simkinson started at

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NACA in 1943. He got out of college with a mechanical

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engineering degree. I believe it was the University

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of Cincinnati. And from there, he went up to

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Lewis Field where he was hired to be an engineer,

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he started out modifying and destructive testing

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of propellers. Now 43 was right in the middle

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of World War II. It was in 1943. So he was working

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on propellers and destructive testing was the

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methodology that he was a specialist in. Now,

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whether you realize it or not, when you're working

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with a new field, the most important thing is

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destructive testing. It's why people see Elon

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Musk launch one of those skyscrapers into the

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air. And then it gets up there and it blows up.

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And then you see everybody in the control room.

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cheering wildly. And people are going, what's

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going on? It just blew up. That's what Scott

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Semkinson was a specialist in. And it's exactly

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what Elon Musk is doing now. It's called destructive

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testing. It's new technology that is only theorized

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and not proven. And the only way to prove it

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is to test it until it blows up. And that's what

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he was a specialist in. Doing propellers in 1943,

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the war ended in 45. Two years later, he moved

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on to a place called Wallen Island. He was still

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with NACA, running experiments out there because

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he had some of the photographs in this archive.

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You'll see him in there. He was testing Nazi

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V2 rockets. So that's 1945. This guy was classified

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from the very beginning. His security clearances

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were top because he was doing experimental work

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on military propellers, improving them and then

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into the V2 rockets and rocket technology. And

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so that goes way back to World War II. You have

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to realize there's a train of evidence that's

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going to be followed through all of these books.

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And it's what's made it so difficult and why

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no one has ever pieced it together. You have

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things that you have to take in consideration,

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such as was working for NACA. The documents that

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I found show that NACA was actually affiliated

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and the guys were running it. And now I use terms

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loosely, but this is what I mean by difficult

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to follow. They were CIA related even at that

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time. What makes it difficult is it wasn't the

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CIA. It was the OSS. They changed names from

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time to time. And that's why it's hard to do

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a good freedom of information act because you

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don't know exactly who gets custody of what and

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where to send it. And that That's all spycraft.

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There's methodology that is used to keep it secret.

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I understand it and you understand it too. I'm

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not against all of it because some of it should

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be released. But you got to remember these guys

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are risking their lives, okay? They're military

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men. We pay them to kill people. As taxpayer,

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I've got to say, I'm not going to begrudge them.

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The whole world is a dangerous and horrifying

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place. And I'm just as bad as anybody else when

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I get pushed into a corner. So I'm not going

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to hold it against them. If my son or daughter

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were in military and these things can be used

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to kill them. I don't want them released. So

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let me ask you this, right? You held up a picture

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on your book that it fairly looks like a UFO.

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Can you describe for the audience what we're

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looking at? It's a little bit hard to distinguish

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exactly, but can you describe what's in that

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photo? Do you think the federal government is

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intentionally withholding this information from

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people? And if so, why? This picture was done

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for me by Mark Ray. Mark Ray worked on some of

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the images necessary for Gary Nolan's movies.

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He's in Cleveland, so he's an experienced graphic

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artist, does wonderful work. Let me see if I

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can get this up. So this is a composite photograph

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that he put free. This is what's going to be

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on the third book that is going to come this

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January. I'm working as fast as I can to get

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this done and try to do some blog gaff at the

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same time. What you're looking at here is a NASA

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photograph and the red lit number label is S6654.

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585 from the Gemini 11 mission. Now, for everybody

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out here, you have to get familiar with where

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you can find some of this information so that

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you can do it with your own eyes. NASA is no

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longer in the early image. They turned it over

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to Arizona State University. So when you get

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on a computer, just go ASU March to the Moon.

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And March to the Moon means from man's early

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start in space, marched all the way to the moon,

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the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions, every

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single photo NASA says it has. And guess what?

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It is every single photo now. as they did not

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get them off. We will get into how that's done

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and how we've been misled. But that's where you

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go to ASU March to the Moon and then you just

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follow all the links. You go to NASA Hasselblad

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photos, Gemini 11, and then put the number in

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S66 54585. There's a series of five images taken

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all within 90 where they're coming up on the

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target. You can find that at Arizona State University

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S66. 54585. It's a small image. If you blow it

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up close, you can see the nose of the spacecraft

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approaching the target. They had just finished

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a tether experiment. They tied a tether to the

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Agena and did an artificial gravity experiment.

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They rotated it in that slow rotation. They let

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go of a pen and the pen went to the wall and

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held up. At that time, they did not know if the

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physics behind that would work in space. They

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had 12 different missions that they performed

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on this important Gemini 11 mission experiment.

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This is October, 1960. Less than three years

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from that mission, they landed Neil Armstrong

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on the moon. The next mission, Gemini 12, is

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within 30 days. It's a breakneck speed that these

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guys were working at. Breakneck. The amount of

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documentation that has to be done is phenomenal.

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The Gemini mission report was secret for 12 years.

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I've got a copy of it right in the book. The

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title page shows and it reads right there not

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to be released for 12 years. The same thing with

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the technical debriefing. The purpose of that

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debriefing is to get you fresh from the experience.

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so that we can get every detail and make sure

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that it's recorded. So I've got the Gemini 11

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debriefing document, and that's where you find

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the incident where they describe that they never

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saw any anomaly except one, and that was right

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during this D -15 experiment. The Gemini 11 mission

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lasted for three days. There's a constant influx

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of voice transmissions. They go from the capsule,

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and they're listed as to who said it, either

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the commander or the pilot, and which station

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they were talking to. Was it NASA Florida or

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was it NASA Australia or Canberra? or the various

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stations. We didn't have satellites back then.

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Boys and girls, I know how to use a slide rule.

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Without cell phones, how did you get a newspaper?

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When the Apollo 13 mission exploded in space.

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You all recall that, right? Safety engineer for

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Apollo 13 was Scott Simpkin. When Apollo 1 caught

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fire in the pure oxygen atmosphere on the launch

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pad, we lost three astronauts that day. To honor

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them, they called that the Apollo 1 mission.

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Now we know not to put pure oxygen where there's

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electrical equipment. These things seem like

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they're self -evident today. None of these things

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were known. That first mission you saw was the

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first testing of the ablative shield. They didn't

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know if that would work or if it would burn up

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into space. They were testing things like solid

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titanium shields. That's not viable because the

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rockets were so weak back then. The little ICBM

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missiles could barely lift these guys up. They

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were giving the astronauts like six ounces of

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personal items they could take. The astronauts

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were small because we could not lift safely.

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We did not have these capabilities. But that

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gemini - Gemini 11 mission had 12 experiments.

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The first experiment they did, they had to open

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the door and throw it out the hatch. There was

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not enough room in there for them to continue.

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But the primary mission of Gemini 11 was successfully

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incorporated. Of all the 12 experiments, the

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most important one was they launched the Agena

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rocket up first so that it's in orbit. And then

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the real test that they had to do before they

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could get to the moon was they launched the Gemini

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11 up and it had to rendezvous with that Agena

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capsule and hook up within orbit. If they could

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not do that, then there's no way they could launch

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the lunar module back up from the moon and hook

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up with the command module all within one orbit

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while they had enough fuel. That is the landmark

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test. The other 11 tests were also great too.

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The artificial gravity experiment. We'll get

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into D15, which is actually a spy camera. The

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first TV camera in space was an important experiment.

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You might not remember the headlines, but it

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broke the record for the world's highest orbit,

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the Gemini 11. Once they hooked up to the Agena

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capsule, they didn't know if this would work.

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They fired that baby up and went 867 nautical

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miles high, which was not broken until last summer.

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Last summer was the first time anyone orbited

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higher and it was only a couple miles higher

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than that. And of course that's important because

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that demonstrated that by hooking up to a new

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rocket engine, you'd be able to get to the moon.

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These things were unknown. It's amazing how destructive

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testing has to be done, but they had to get that

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done. The secret mission report was 354 pages.

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We did not have the internet. We had to send

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paper copies. Now, in the back page of that mission

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report, there are 22 solid pages. And this is

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great for researchers. Anyone doing research,

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get into that mission report. It'll tell you

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every aspect, every photo that was ever taken,

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every experiment, the status of the experiment,

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what happened, diagrams of what they had. The

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rear 22 pages contain this. They contain 200

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-some names and addresses of the engineers and

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departments involved in that NASA flight. The

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whole report was classified or secret for 12

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years. There was no other way to get information

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to people without printing. ended up, you're

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not going to wire that over a newspaper wire

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system. You have to get that hard copy report

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into the hands of McDonnell Douglas, the Pentagon.

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There's 200 different offices and companies that

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all were involved in the process. That 320 page

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report to those, and not only that, it's like

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McDonnell Douglas. You read McDonnell Douglas

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and it'll say how many copies were sent. They

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sent them 18 copies. The reason they tell you

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how many copies are sent is because it's classified

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information, secret for 12 years. They need to

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know where every single copy. of that went so

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that it cannot get into the enemy. So now you

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do a little bit of mathematics on that thing.

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Those rear 22 pages, the 200 -some -plus reports

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that were made, and you have the actual offices

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that you can go to search for new leads. You

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guys out there are researchers. I'm counting

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on you to read this stuff so that you know where

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to find the new information. If I had the strength

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and I was young enough, I would be looking at

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those 22 pages and going over them with a fine

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-tooth coat and looking for names and reading

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the names, and then I'd be looking at the family

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of the names. I'd find the nearest relatives

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and I would be talking to them about, did your

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dad leave you any documents? Someone combined.

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There's treasure out there, guys. So this is

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a map to the treasure. But I'm trying to get

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to you how difficult things were done back then.

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The records that were being broke, the missions

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that had never been done before. The D -15 was

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the first television camera in space. From those

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22 pages, you get the exact number of copies

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they had to make of just the mission report.

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This is not the voice transmissions, not the

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debriefing films. Just that report alone, when

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you calculate the pages in it and the number

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There are copies that had to be printed and sent

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and then retrieved. It comes to over 320 ,000

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pages. Not only that, this is the breakneck speed

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and the criticality of trying to beat the Russian

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threat. It was a matter of life and death. Those

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320 ,000 pages had to be printed up. They had

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to be gotten to the hands of the engineering

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staff and all these 200 plus addresses. The engineers

00:23:13.650 --> 00:23:16.690
had to read them, see if it was a success or

00:23:16.690 --> 00:23:19.369
failure, analyze it, make any improvements, and

00:23:19.369 --> 00:23:21.700
get any improvements or steps. status changes

00:23:21.700 --> 00:23:26.859
back to NASA before they launched Gemini 12 30

00:23:26.859 --> 00:23:29.480
days later. This is a gargantuan undertaking,

00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:31.799
the likes of which I think the D -Day invasion

00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:35.119
has no comparability. So these things that were

00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:37.319
done back there, kids, this is a different time.

00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:39.240
So what's the relationship in some of the proof?

00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:41.539
There we see the actual photograph. You can find

00:23:41.539 --> 00:23:45.359
it at March to the moon at 66. 54585. And when

00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.519
you close in, there's the nose of the Gemini

00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.960
capsule. There's the unhooked tether. And that's

00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:52.240
the Agena craft that they did all of their documenting

00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:54.720
with. You can see the Earth horizon, the curvature

00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:57.359
of the Earth, probably about 154 miles. And you

00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:59.180
can see the cloud patterns on there. See the

00:23:59.180 --> 00:24:01.220
clouds? Those clouds are clear, right? But now

00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:03.039
let me tell you what we've had done. And this

00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:04.759
will be on the cover of the book. The big one

00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.099
is S66 54585. That's the official red number

00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:10.799
NASA photo. This black insert right here. You

00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:14.759
see that? When you go to age of the Gemini 11

00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:17.279
mission report. You can download it from NASA,

00:24:17.420 --> 00:24:19.980
get into the NASA archives, download the entire

00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:22.660
report. This is what's on page four. The first

00:24:22.660 --> 00:24:25.480
three pages are documents signed by heads of

00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.019
NASA saying nobody can see this for 12 years.

00:24:28.099 --> 00:24:31.119
The very first page of the report after all that

00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:34.339
subterfuge is page four. And on page four is

00:24:34.339 --> 00:24:37.740
this black image. It has a number. And guess

00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:41.279
what? That number is not listed anywhere in any

00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:44.039
NASA archives. It's got a black label number

00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.400
that nobody knows about. I've been looking for

00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:48.259
it in the National Archives, trying to find it,

00:24:48.259 --> 00:24:50.519
but there's no listing of that as a real photo.

00:24:50.539 --> 00:24:52.519
And that's because you can see it's just a blown

00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:55.259
up image for the CIA. Why would that be the very

00:24:55.259 --> 00:24:57.480
first photo in that important mission report?

00:24:57.579 --> 00:25:01.319
It comes from S6654585. The most important mission,

00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.859
of course, was the rendezvous. We can see its

00:25:03.859 --> 00:25:07.500
part because the cloud pattern matches. That's

00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:09.839
the photolithograph. And you see the clouds underneath

00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:12.450
it? Those clouds match. Exactly. So the clouds

00:25:12.450 --> 00:25:17.329
in the lithograph match S66 54585. Just as the

00:25:17.329 --> 00:25:21.230
unknown document, page four, match S66 54585.

00:25:21.369 --> 00:25:23.569
This is one that I did of myself. The Mark Gravel

00:25:23.569 --> 00:25:25.769
one is such and such. This is from Travis Taylor.

00:25:25.910 --> 00:25:28.809
Travis Taylor does a report on page 555 of my

00:25:28.809 --> 00:25:30.269
book. Travis Taylor, for those of you who aren't

00:25:30.269 --> 00:25:32.789
familiar, Skinwalker Ranch and all that. He's

00:25:32.789 --> 00:25:36.089
at NASA. His business at NASA was photo analysis.

00:25:36.210 --> 00:25:38.970
He's a photo specialist. He does a 20 page report

00:25:38.970 --> 00:25:41.730
in my book. So I put this posted together. This

00:25:41.730 --> 00:25:45.369
is page 555. And he's analyzing my lithograph,

00:25:45.410 --> 00:25:47.690
trying to detect whether or not it's real. This

00:25:47.690 --> 00:25:49.910
was before anyone ever found me. I'm the one

00:25:49.910 --> 00:25:52.009
who discovered the match just through editness.

00:25:52.170 --> 00:25:54.150
I finally looked and let me expand this picture.

00:25:54.269 --> 00:25:56.509
I expanded a little corner of that thing. In

00:25:56.509 --> 00:25:58.430
that little corner, the cloud pattern matched.

00:25:58.529 --> 00:26:00.910
But this is what he found. There's UFO. What

00:26:00.910 --> 00:26:03.329
he's done here, this is the lithograph. What

00:26:03.329 --> 00:26:06.170
you're seeing is the UFO and the clouds underneath

00:26:06.170 --> 00:26:08.490
it that we matched. I matched two years after

00:26:08.490 --> 00:26:11.019
this report. He's pointing. orbital debris. There's

00:26:11.019 --> 00:26:12.980
a piece of orbital debris there and a piece of

00:26:12.980 --> 00:26:14.920
orbital debris there. When I first discovered

00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:17.180
that the images were similar, I did this and

00:26:17.180 --> 00:26:19.240
did analog production. There's the lithograph

00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.420
and there's the cloud pattern from the photograph

00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:23.440
and they match. The interesting thing is that

00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.339
orbital debris he finds in the lithograph is

00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:30.460
not visible in the actual S6654585, which means

00:26:30.460 --> 00:26:33.200
this is a real image. It contains the orbital

00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.460
debris. S6654585 has the orbital debris removed.

00:26:37.460 --> 00:26:40.859
It's a doctored photograph. What do you think

00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:42.779
they are? Do you think they're from a different

00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:46.720
galaxy, interdimensional? The universe is such

00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:49.019
a large thing and we know very little. Our physics

00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:51.700
is rudimentary. Most of the stuff we know is

00:26:51.700 --> 00:26:53.579
correct to a certain degree, but most of it's

00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:55.960
wrong. When you talk about having to invent black

00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:58.559
holes and dark energy and dark matter, you're

00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:00.740
basically talking about cheating. You've got

00:27:00.740 --> 00:27:03.079
a model and you say, yes, this model is right,

00:27:03.140 --> 00:27:05.359
but you have to invent something to keep the

00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.559
numbers from going to affinity. We'll call it

00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:09.980
dark matter. We'll call it dark energy. The model

00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:12.700
is as correct as we can get. I'm not saying it's

00:27:12.700 --> 00:27:14.519
wrong. I'm just saying there are parts of it

00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.660
that are so wrong that we're getting numbers

00:27:16.660 --> 00:27:18.799
that aren't realistic. If the model doesn't work

00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:21.160
everywhere, that means the model is wrong to

00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.160
me. That said, it's very hard for me to understand

00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:26.480
the significance of time as it is to anyone.

00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.019
What is time? Is it a three -dimensional structure?

00:27:29.259 --> 00:27:31.920
I particularly favor looking at the origami -shaped

00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.619
universe or the cedar space. How do you describe

00:27:34.619 --> 00:27:36.920
things? Multi -dimension. We don't even know

00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:38.809
which of these. things may be the right one.

00:27:38.849 --> 00:27:42.430
I say you have to admit that my belief is there's

00:27:42.430 --> 00:27:45.349
more to the universe than just one. I've done

00:27:45.349 --> 00:27:48.289
a couple papers using some of the latest technology

00:27:48.289 --> 00:27:51.450
I can find on metamaterials that we're using

00:27:51.450 --> 00:27:55.009
to build these supercomputer chips. We're talking

00:27:55.009 --> 00:27:58.109
nanometer technology. All those electric currents

00:27:58.109 --> 00:28:00.829
traveling almost at an atomic scale. Well, they're

00:28:00.829 --> 00:28:03.430
working on that. I find particularly interesting.

00:28:03.650 --> 00:28:06.170
Simon's Foundation puts out a magazine called

00:28:06.170 --> 00:28:08.589
Quantum. magazine, I recommend it to everybody

00:28:08.589 --> 00:28:11.390
because it links every document so that you can

00:28:11.390 --> 00:28:14.109
read the actual scientific paper involved. Just

00:28:14.109 --> 00:28:15.789
click on it and read the paper for yourself.

00:28:15.829 --> 00:28:18.009
I'm a skeptic, okay? I want to read the paper.

00:28:18.130 --> 00:28:20.390
I trust your expertise, but I want to read it.

00:28:20.390 --> 00:28:22.549
And everybody lies, human beings, we're such

00:28:22.549 --> 00:28:24.970
horrible creatures, but it's the stuff that I've

00:28:24.970 --> 00:28:27.690
found out. A lot of this is spy craft. Did I

00:28:27.690 --> 00:28:30.509
show you yet? This is - Why do they want to hide

00:28:30.509 --> 00:28:32.230
it from the American public? Is it classified

00:28:32.230 --> 00:28:33.809
secrets? They don't want it to get into Russian

00:28:33.809 --> 00:28:36.700
Chinese hands or are they keep - First of all,

00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.779
yes, Russian and Chinese hand. This is the story.

00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:40.900
This is what happened. This is from the CIA document

00:28:40.900 --> 00:28:43.160
that's presented. The 10 documents that are coming

00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.000
out in the new book. I have the actual numbers.

00:28:45.019 --> 00:28:47.220
These are actual CIA documents from the CIA reading

00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:49.579
room. You need to go to the CIA reading room.

00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:51.880
You can get online, just put CIA reading room.

00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:53.599
They said, oh, we're giving you every single

00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.240
file. It's right there. Guess what? They're not

00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:57.559
put together in a way that you can find the document

00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.900
easily. So I've been spending hours trying to

00:28:59.900 --> 00:29:02.779
find the original documents. And this is SpyCraft.

00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:05.160
SpyCraft is, yes, I've given you the documents.

00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:07.680
And that's it. It's right there. And what they'd

00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.779
give you is a haystack and you're trying to find

00:29:09.779 --> 00:29:11.299
the needle. Same thing they just did with the

00:29:11.299 --> 00:29:13.559
Epstein file. When you get into these CIA files,

00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:16.079
I have the actual numbers. And even then, you'll

00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.180
have a hard time backtracking them. I got into

00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:22.099
1956 and 1958. The Automat file is the creation

00:29:22.099 --> 00:29:24.200
of the National Photographic Interpretive Center.

00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.660
It's a series of 80 pages of documents on the

00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:29.440
creation of the National Photographic Interpretive

00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.980
Center created by the CIA, 1956 as follow up

00:29:32.980 --> 00:29:36.019
to other military map. We'll get back to the

00:29:36.019 --> 00:29:37.859
one document that will answer your question in

00:29:37.859 --> 00:29:40.119
part. There's a document listed and it'll be

00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:43.339
in the new book. This is what it is. 1965, the

00:29:43.339 --> 00:29:46.059
Gemini 5 mission. The Hasselblad camera was a

00:29:46.059 --> 00:29:48.680
new camera. Now we had been doing spy imagery

00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:50.680
the whole time, right? We had the Corona mission

00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.680
where they had special spy cameras. They launched

00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.440
up in space and everyone's familiar with the

00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.779
Corona. It's a beautiful program. Very expensive

00:29:56.779 --> 00:29:59.380
cameras, right? Launch it up into space and then

00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:01.420
they would drop it down on a parachute and they

00:30:01.420 --> 00:30:03.400
would have the airplane pick it up on a parachute.

00:30:03.529 --> 00:30:05.430
Now does everyone recall that? I think the Corona

00:30:05.430 --> 00:30:08.329
program was in 1960, but that's one of the documents

00:30:08.329 --> 00:30:11.150
included to show how things worked. We knew how

00:30:11.150 --> 00:30:13.289
valuable photography was. We were over there

00:30:13.289 --> 00:30:15.049
getting a basis document and getting ready. We

00:30:15.049 --> 00:30:17.369
can target these real easy, because we got pictures.

00:30:17.369 --> 00:30:19.329
They can do that to us too. What they did not

00:30:19.329 --> 00:30:21.869
realize with current up in this memo from 1965

00:30:21.869 --> 00:30:24.589
in the CIA reading room documents is that the

00:30:24.589 --> 00:30:27.049
Gemini 5 mission took their handheld camera and

00:30:27.049 --> 00:30:29.289
took a series of photographs of their buddies

00:30:29.289 --> 00:30:31.750
down in Cape Canaveral. Hey guys, look at us.

00:30:31.750 --> 00:30:33.869
We're up here. You're making your picture right

00:30:33.869 --> 00:30:37.309
now. The CIA saw those images. They made a montage.

00:30:37.410 --> 00:30:40.410
There's a big CIA memo about it. It says, holy

00:30:40.410 --> 00:30:43.930
cow, we can detect the exact layout of the surrounding

00:30:43.930 --> 00:30:47.490
area and its perfect ICBM missile targeting data.

00:30:48.089 --> 00:30:51.609
1965 Gemini 5 mission was confirmation that we

00:30:51.609 --> 00:30:54.109
can back engineer from this thing and get horrible

00:30:54.109 --> 00:30:57.069
military data. We cannot allow this to go on.

00:30:57.150 --> 00:30:59.309
We need a solution. And the solution that came

00:30:59.309 --> 00:31:02.700
up was from now on, NASA no longer has control

00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:04.759
of their own photographs. Richard Underwood,

00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.519
our CIA choice, developed every single photo.

00:31:07.579 --> 00:31:10.400
When you read the NASA archives, he tells you

00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.759
exactly how he did everything. Nobody has ever

00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.160
seen anything but a third generation. That's

00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.839
recorded there. So it goes from him. He's the

00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.339
developer. He's there at NASA. NASA flies the

00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:22.339
photographs back from the aircraft carrier that

00:31:22.339 --> 00:31:24.900
picks up the astronauts. He develops it and makes

00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:27.619
a series, making more than one set from that.

00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.799
He is a photo analyst himself. So he makes some

00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.039
master. He doesn't say how many, but he makes

00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.059
a couple masters and he even tells it. I differentiate

00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:38.779
them because I scratch a number into the negative.

00:31:38.859 --> 00:31:40.980
So that's another way to tell what great a master

00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:43.720
that you have. The first generation film is Saran

00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.299
Wrap Thickness. He makes a couple masters from

00:31:46.299 --> 00:31:48.480
it where he scratches a number into it. And that

00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.819
Saran Wrap film goes back in the freezer. He

00:31:50.819 --> 00:31:52.900
says in his interview, no one will ever see it

00:31:52.900 --> 00:31:54.940
again. That's his testimony. Now that goes to

00:31:54.940 --> 00:31:58.500
the 1965 testimony. We now know in 1965 when

00:31:58.500 --> 00:32:00.700
the CIA said they can target their missile. from

00:32:00.700 --> 00:32:02.539
these little handheld cameras. What they did

00:32:02.539 --> 00:32:05.319
was said, no longer will NASA be in control of

00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.180
their own pictures. The MPIC is for military

00:32:08.180 --> 00:32:10.460
intelligence. When they detected the Cuban missile

00:32:10.460 --> 00:32:12.940
crisis, the president had to see that right away.

00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.420
These guys are on a hair trigger speed mechanism.

00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.559
That's exactly what they were with NASA too,

00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:19.660
because NASA was supposed to release and everybody

00:32:19.660 --> 00:32:21.819
was waiting for the photographs. Underwood sent

00:32:21.819 --> 00:32:24.259
the second generation. The first generation was

00:32:24.259 --> 00:32:26.000
locked up and no one ever saw it again, but he

00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.579
made copies and the second generation and scratched

00:32:28.579 --> 00:32:31.269
numbers into it. He may have done some interpretation

00:32:31.269 --> 00:32:34.230
himself on behalf of the government to make sure

00:32:34.230 --> 00:32:36.329
that no one else got to see the second generation.

00:32:36.509 --> 00:32:38.329
No one ever saw the second generation either,

00:32:38.490 --> 00:32:40.549
except him. He's the one who made the second

00:32:40.549 --> 00:32:44.150
generation. The 1965 memo says from now on we

00:32:44.150 --> 00:32:46.670
will get the original, the second generation

00:32:46.670 --> 00:32:49.190
one. They get to photograph negatives first.

00:32:49.230 --> 00:32:52.089
They do not go to NASA. NASA does not get to

00:32:52.089 --> 00:32:54.490
see the negatives. What happens is they go to

00:32:54.490 --> 00:32:58.089
the CIA, analyzes them, scrubs them, chooses

00:32:58.089 --> 00:33:00.849
anything that needs to be deleted, chooses things

00:33:00.849 --> 00:33:03.269
that need to be degraded so that you can't get

00:33:03.269 --> 00:33:05.029
the information from it. I think when President,

00:33:05.109 --> 00:33:07.690
when he held up the pictures of the missile silos

00:33:07.690 --> 00:33:10.569
in Cuba, that was top secret information. Those

00:33:10.569 --> 00:33:13.109
were YouTube pictures and you can back engineer

00:33:13.109 --> 00:33:15.769
from the YouTube pictures exactly the parameters

00:33:15.769 --> 00:33:17.930
of the camera they were using and from that you

00:33:17.930 --> 00:33:20.230
can use that back engineering data to match it.

00:33:20.230 --> 00:33:22.029
There's just so many things that you can get

00:33:22.029 --> 00:33:23.970
from a photograph. That's why we created the

00:33:23.970 --> 00:33:26.230
satellites, but the Hasselblad turns out is just

00:33:26.230 --> 00:33:29.369
as good. So they sanitize the copies and then

00:33:29.369 --> 00:33:32.450
NASA gets third generation images and from that

00:33:32.450 --> 00:33:34.410
they are free to release anything in the third

00:33:34.410 --> 00:33:36.549
generation image. That's because they'd already

00:33:36.549 --> 00:33:39.309
been sanitized. We all grow so angry in these

00:33:39.309 --> 00:33:41.180
cases. congressional hearings, time after time,

00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.119
we hear NASA get up and testify. We have no record

00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.039
of any UFOs. We just don't have records of it.

00:33:47.099 --> 00:33:49.259
And everybody's going, you're lying. We've got

00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:50.799
people out here doing these. And we're like,

00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:52.539
you're lying, you're lying. They're not lying.

00:33:52.660 --> 00:33:55.339
It's spycraft. It's what David talked about in

00:33:55.339 --> 00:33:57.640
testimony. Spycraft is a wonderful thing. And

00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:01.539
what is it? Everybody calls NASA every time and

00:34:01.539 --> 00:34:04.980
says, we want those photos. The spycraft lets

00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:07.740
NASA sit on the hot seat because they only have

00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:11.320
what we. have, we sent the photos and NASA never

00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.559
did have. So that's what's going on in these

00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.900
hearings. It's driving everyone crazy. I've got

00:34:16.900 --> 00:34:19.039
the documents you can read for yourself. It's

00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:20.539
coming out in the book in January. That's the

00:34:20.539 --> 00:34:23.039
document from 1965. I've got the document from

00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.159
1960. The creation of the Center, the National

00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.019
Photographic Interpretation, and that's changed

00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:30.019
names too. It's like a political party. It's

00:34:30.019 --> 00:34:32.159
like the Republican party is the Southern Democrats

00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.059
of 1958. It's like spycraft. It's delusional.

00:34:35.179 --> 00:34:37.619
We're such a horrible species. It's lucky we

00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:40.010
can... even make a school of any kind, let alone

00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:42.530
integrate one. It's, we have to be led. We're

00:34:42.530 --> 00:34:44.769
a vicious, dangerous species and we have to be

00:34:44.769 --> 00:34:47.329
led and protection has to be done for my kids

00:34:47.329 --> 00:34:49.849
who I know have to fight a war to protect the

00:34:49.849 --> 00:34:52.650
things we believe in. So I'm for secrecy, but

00:34:52.650 --> 00:34:55.090
it gets carried away. There are military secrets

00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:58.130
that can be back engineered from simple photographs.

00:34:58.210 --> 00:35:00.969
If you gave them the sanitized photographs, they

00:35:00.969 --> 00:35:03.090
would know what kind of planet it was, the altitude

00:35:03.090 --> 00:35:05.130
that flew, the amount of data they can get. Then

00:35:05.130 --> 00:35:07.329
you are able to develop countermeasures. Anytime

00:35:07.329 --> 00:35:09.489
that satellite's over, we know it's taking pictures.

00:35:09.610 --> 00:35:11.289
We'll put our things out of sight. Now, these

00:35:11.289 --> 00:35:13.349
things weren't known back then. This is in the

00:35:13.349 --> 00:35:16.809
birth of this form of spy technology. That's

00:35:16.809 --> 00:35:18.550
documented. Now, here's the other thing that

00:35:18.550 --> 00:35:20.650
goes on. And I like to go back to the book. One

00:35:20.650 --> 00:35:23.090
of the best books I'd recommend to anyone out

00:35:23.090 --> 00:35:25.090
there. If you read the background and research

00:35:25.090 --> 00:35:27.369
who Philip Corso was, the day after Roswell,

00:35:27.409 --> 00:35:30.309
Philip Corso is a real documented presidential

00:35:30.309 --> 00:35:32.889
advisor. He was working under one of the greatest

00:35:32.889 --> 00:35:35.809
generals of that time. That general was a magnificent

00:35:35.809 --> 00:35:38.349
engineer. As was Philip Corso. Philip Corso had

00:35:38.349 --> 00:35:40.789
a photographic memory. Just really wild how smart

00:35:40.789 --> 00:35:43.230
he was. And I love him. He looks like the kneeling

00:35:43.230 --> 00:35:45.829
mouth and the weaseliest little character. Short,

00:35:46.050 --> 00:35:48.469
big black glasses like Barney Fife or something

00:35:48.469 --> 00:35:50.849
like that with glasses. A trained killer. And

00:35:50.849 --> 00:35:53.690
he's a killer documented from Korean War. And

00:35:53.690 --> 00:35:55.969
the general he worked for, the reason he did

00:35:55.969 --> 00:35:59.070
not release that book until 1996 is because he

00:35:59.070 --> 00:36:01.469
loved the man he had plowed in Korea underneath

00:36:01.469 --> 00:36:03.829
him. The head of the foreign technology division.

00:36:03.889 --> 00:36:06.019
The famous battle of pork chops. hill bloody

00:36:06.019 --> 00:36:08.659
horrifying battle absolutely with the last place

00:36:08.659 --> 00:36:10.320
on earth and he's saying human being would want

00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.420
to be he went to the front line of that hill

00:36:12.420 --> 00:36:15.300
and was there with his men the inspiration of

00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:17.800
that kind of leadership stuck with Philip Corso

00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.039
and with all the other men who fought with him

00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.599
this is devastating to me how a simple act of

00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.679
bravery courage and leadership can transfer into

00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:30.159
a sense of fidelity and dedication that can only

00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.840
be broken by death Philip Corso had told him

00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:34.860
he would not release this information until he

00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:37.039
was dead. And he did as soon as he died. That's

00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:38.880
when he wrote the book, The Day After Oswald.

00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:40.900
The only problem with certain details in there,

00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:43.699
Philip Corso takes the stance that he's the first

00:36:43.699 --> 00:36:47.099
guy in line dispersing all of this UFO equipment

00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:49.840
for back engineering. But he does not realize

00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:51.980
they had been doing this. Tesla is the same thing,

00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.340
right? When Tesla died, it took all his records

00:36:54.340 --> 00:36:56.940
and it went black too, just like what Corso did.

00:36:57.139 --> 00:37:00.000
So Corso's job, it's called the foreign technology

00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:01.679
division. You can read all about it. This guy

00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.780
was advising presidents. He worked for a great

00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:06.860
general, the general gave him a file cabinet

00:37:06.860 --> 00:37:10.019
of foreign technology from the Roswell incident.

00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.300
They deal with foreign technology all day long.

00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:14.940
They had spies that went down to Brazil and obtained

00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:17.820
a copy of a Brazilian machine gun. And it was

00:37:17.820 --> 00:37:20.519
the best machine gun ever designed on earth.

00:37:20.579 --> 00:37:22.820
They caught it. They brought it back. They gave

00:37:22.820 --> 00:37:25.940
it to their military contractors. They back engineered

00:37:25.940 --> 00:37:29.079
it. Voila, your modern American world's best

00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.820
machine gun. That's the foreign technology department.

00:37:33.009 --> 00:37:35.309
a file cabinet from the general. He describes

00:37:35.309 --> 00:37:36.989
them when he got it right there in the Pentagon.

00:37:37.150 --> 00:37:39.789
There's animosity between the head of every department

00:37:39.789 --> 00:37:41.670
in the world. I don't care if it's your ally

00:37:41.670 --> 00:37:43.869
or not. You can read in the book. He had a little

00:37:43.869 --> 00:37:46.570
bit of that technology. The majority of that

00:37:46.570 --> 00:37:48.889
technology from the Roswell crash, he says, went

00:37:48.889 --> 00:37:51.050
to the Air Force. He was working for the Army

00:37:51.050 --> 00:37:53.090
Foreign Technology Division. He says he didn't

00:37:53.090 --> 00:37:55.190
get most of it, but he helped develop the microchip.

00:37:55.289 --> 00:37:57.690
He helped develop fiber optics. People look back

00:37:57.690 --> 00:37:59.610
and say they were working on fiber optics much

00:37:59.610 --> 00:38:01.670
before he gave it to him. That's true. Courser

00:38:01.670 --> 00:38:03.590
doesn't mention it. that stuff, but it was the

00:38:03.590 --> 00:38:05.730
actual fiber optics that he gave them from the

00:38:05.730 --> 00:38:08.030
Roswell Crafts that enabled them to come up with

00:38:08.030 --> 00:38:10.570
the technology and match it and make it viable.

00:38:10.670 --> 00:38:13.150
We've got the missing stuff from Tesla as an

00:38:13.150 --> 00:38:16.030
indicator of the kind of things that were predecessor

00:38:16.030 --> 00:38:18.710
to Corso. A lot of people discredit him because

00:38:18.710 --> 00:38:20.610
he doesn't point out the fact that he wasn't

00:38:20.610 --> 00:38:23.710
the first. He was obviously a key player that

00:38:23.710 --> 00:38:25.550
finished it up. He'll tell you exactly where

00:38:25.550 --> 00:38:28.130
it came from. The autopsy of the aliens, the

00:38:28.130 --> 00:38:30.469
cornea of the alien, when they autopsied it,

00:38:30.550 --> 00:38:33.280
they determined light characteristics being done

00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.199
by this membrane. I was eligible for draft age.

00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.340
I lived through that horrible Vietnam war. I

00:38:38.340 --> 00:38:40.780
saw every night on TV, these guys in the jungle

00:38:40.780 --> 00:38:43.280
sweating, bleeding, being massacred in those

00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.739
horrifying circumstances. But I remember the

00:38:45.739 --> 00:38:48.400
weapon that they did with that M1, they had a

00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.159
starlight scope. Philip Corso with the eyelid

00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.360
from that autopsy was able to the first night

00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.139
vision scope. We did not have night vision scopes.

00:38:57.139 --> 00:38:59.880
This came from the eyelid of the alien. I remember

00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:01.739
it well because It came from nowhere. There's

00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:03.900
a big old orange scope rusted on top of your

00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:06.019
gun and you can see your target at night. I lived

00:39:06.019 --> 00:39:07.920
through that period and it seemed a little bit

00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.019
aberrational to me. It was just like, gee, where

00:39:10.019 --> 00:39:11.900
did they come up with this design? Little did

00:39:11.900 --> 00:39:14.340
we know. You read Corso's book, you get an indication

00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:16.500
of what he said the design was. Now, the point

00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:19.039
I'm trying to make to you is another reason these

00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.260
things don't get released. And this is an example

00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:24.579
of it. In Corso's book, there's a segment where

00:39:24.579 --> 00:39:28.099
he talks about his job to take foreign technology

00:39:28.099 --> 00:39:31.940
to America's advantage. manufacturing facilities

00:39:31.940 --> 00:39:34.900
for back engineering. Bell Laboratories knew

00:39:34.900 --> 00:39:37.480
him well. He would go to Bell Laboratories often

00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.719
and give them a piece of technology and say,

00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:41.960
yes, this is foreign technology. We need you

00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:44.440
to back engineer it. And everybody working on

00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.000
it, we don't know where it came from. Some of

00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.360
it was from his UFO files. And that's what his

00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.000
contention is. But there's the stuff that he

00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.440
did all the time that we do know, like the Brazilian

00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.760
machine gun, that was indistinguishable. They

00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.500
didn't tell him it came from Brazil. He told

00:39:57.500 --> 00:39:59.409
it in the book. That's where it came from. The

00:39:59.409 --> 00:40:02.429
animosity between people and government is just

00:40:02.429 --> 00:40:05.230
as bad as the animosity between your wife and

00:40:05.230 --> 00:40:07.590
your girlfriend. It's bad. We're human beings.

00:40:07.710 --> 00:40:10.809
And this is the example. He was taking technology

00:40:10.809 --> 00:40:13.449
to Bell Laboratories or some other manufacturer.

00:40:13.570 --> 00:40:15.849
You can read it for yourself the day after Roswell.

00:40:15.909 --> 00:40:18.650
He was taking technology and he's a spy. He was

00:40:18.650 --> 00:40:21.369
in Italy after the Korean War trying to recover

00:40:21.369 --> 00:40:24.309
Mussolini's purported UFOs. And he was killing

00:40:24.309 --> 00:40:26.289
Russians over there. He died. But he's a killer

00:40:26.289 --> 00:40:28.369
and he's there in the Pentagon and he had been

00:40:28.269 --> 00:40:31.050
followed the previous day by who he knew was

00:40:31.050 --> 00:40:34.030
a CIA agent so he takes his service revolver

00:40:34.030 --> 00:40:36.730
he goes to the CIA agent who was following him

00:40:36.730 --> 00:40:40.190
to his boss's office he walks in this is in the

00:40:40.190 --> 00:40:43.489
book he sets his revolver on the desk and he

00:40:43.489 --> 00:40:46.710
tells him if he follows me again you will not

00:40:46.710 --> 00:40:49.449
have him now consider what's going on here this

00:40:49.449 --> 00:40:54.369
is an American army officer talking to an American

00:40:54.369 --> 00:40:58.900
CIA officer the animosity that arises between

00:40:58.900 --> 00:41:01.059
departments fighting for huge multi -million

00:41:01.059 --> 00:41:04.179
dollar budgets is incredible. One half of the

00:41:04.179 --> 00:41:06.760
Pentagon saying this is true. We know what Lou

00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.139
Alessandro said is true. We're agreeing with

00:41:09.139 --> 00:41:10.719
him. And then you have the other half saying,

00:41:10.780 --> 00:41:14.199
no, he's crazy. The vying for power is a fatal

00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.639
problem of a human being and is exemplified by

00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:19.800
those things. So that is the other part. You've

00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.239
got the valid part saying we've got to keep these

00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.400
secrets for the safety of ourselves. And the

00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.119
other half is that I'm a human being and my department

00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.420
is not getting enough research money. I want

00:41:29.420 --> 00:41:31.440
that research money. I'm going to follow and

00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.320
get it. And the other half is saying, no, you're

00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:35.639
not. I will actually kill your agent and you

00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.800
know, I am a killer. So that's what's going on.

00:41:37.820 --> 00:41:39.639
And then you add the third component that you're

00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:41.679
seeing today. You're seeing things like Bell

00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.320
Laboratories is not stupid. These are some of

00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.119
the most brilliant men in the world. Now, even

00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:48.360
though they had the cover that he was delivering

00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:50.920
foreign technology, some of the stuff that he

00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.300
was delivering was otherworldly. You can tell

00:41:53.300 --> 00:41:55.739
them, yes, this is foreign technology. The guys

00:41:55.739 --> 00:41:57.420
are some of the smartest people on earth. When

00:41:57.420 --> 00:41:59.519
they see the technology, they're going, yeah,

00:41:59.739 --> 00:42:02.139
foreign technology. Okay, we'll get to work on

00:42:02.139 --> 00:42:04.300
it. So they work on it and come up with these

00:42:04.300 --> 00:42:06.340
breakthroughs. Those breakthroughs result in

00:42:06.340 --> 00:42:08.780
patents and those patents extend to this day.

00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.420
If you break any information out there that the

00:42:11.420 --> 00:42:13.599
patent was originally United States government

00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.900
property, you got a world of shit between you

00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:18.059
and your profits. So there's all kinds of things

00:42:18.059 --> 00:42:20.760
involved with being a human being that we can't

00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.000
do anything about, but I'm not going to sweat

00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.059
about it. I'm just going to do the best I can.

00:42:25.130 --> 00:42:27.909
and try and have the right morals that shows

00:42:27.909 --> 00:42:31.309
a way to escape the consequences of my evil nature,

00:42:31.489 --> 00:42:34.349
just as we almost tried. So those are some of

00:42:34.349 --> 00:42:37.869
the things that I believe explain why these things

00:42:37.869 --> 00:42:39.929
were being kept secret. And I think there's a

00:42:39.929 --> 00:42:42.610
logical progression pattern to it. I've documented

00:42:42.610 --> 00:42:46.170
the mechanisms, the CIA documents, the NASA documents.

00:42:46.230 --> 00:42:48.829
These are all readable. They're all listed. The

00:42:48.829 --> 00:42:51.010
reason it's unclassified is because I don't know

00:42:51.010 --> 00:42:52.929
if we mentioned this or covered it yet, but it's

00:42:52.929 --> 00:42:55.389
part of spycraft. Spycraft. says you have to

00:42:55.389 --> 00:42:57.570
read the history of spycraft because every time

00:42:57.570 --> 00:43:00.210
you have a spy in mission it's good for a while

00:43:00.210 --> 00:43:03.170
and then it gets broken. Originally in the classification

00:43:03.170 --> 00:43:06.989
system classification meant military classification.

00:43:07.050 --> 00:43:10.610
According to our U .S. Constitution the subservience

00:43:10.610 --> 00:43:13.989
of the military to the civilian means anything

00:43:13.989 --> 00:43:17.929
the military does is subject to approval by Congress.

00:43:18.130 --> 00:43:20.670
Well you can't trust these guys with a dime to

00:43:20.670 --> 00:43:22.409
go down to the candy store and make sure you

00:43:22.409 --> 00:43:24.539
get it back. In the military knows this too,

00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:27.059
because military secrets always slip through

00:43:27.059 --> 00:43:29.079
the fingers of Congress. We see it every day.

00:43:29.139 --> 00:43:31.800
So they changed the methodology of the secret

00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.679
classification system. So what is the rise of

00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.599
a new classification? The classification called

00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.579
SBU, and it means sensitive, but unclassified.

00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:43.179
And it derives from just this specific thing,

00:43:43.219 --> 00:43:45.099
what you're seeing right here on this document.

00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:48.239
And by the way, this document format comes directly

00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:51.840
from the Gemini 11 mission. That's exactly what

00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.380
the other lithograph. or the photographs. They're

00:43:54.380 --> 00:43:56.260
lithographs because they had print them on paper.

00:43:56.500 --> 00:43:59.079
320 ,000 pages of it. You can't do photographs

00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:00.920
in those things. You do a lithograph. That's

00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:02.900
exactly what it looks like. And this strange

00:44:02.900 --> 00:44:05.940
object is exactly CIA. There's a whole department

00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:08.019
of photographic interpreters in the National

00:44:08.019 --> 00:44:10.380
Photographic Interpretive Center who was making

00:44:10.380 --> 00:44:12.659
these. This is a sanitized briefing document

00:44:12.659 --> 00:44:14.960
and it has to have a heading. It doesn't say

00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:16.980
UFO. Christ, it should say flying saucer. You

00:44:16.980 --> 00:44:19.000
look at it and look, you want to put a label

00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.280
on it. Let's call it Gemini 11 flying saucer,

00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.380
but they call it as seen during such and such.

00:44:24.619 --> 00:44:26.880
The title itself, there's a whole department

00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:28.800
in there of photographic interpreters. Let me

00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.760
ask you this. We've seen that photo of the UFO.

00:44:32.059 --> 00:44:35.900
Has it been seen in other instances, other photographs

00:44:35.900 --> 00:44:38.400
and other documentation that you've seen? And

00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.480
has any public officials commented on that particular

00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:44.590
photograph? The third book is actually the completion

00:44:44.590 --> 00:44:46.409
of the investigation. When I started working

00:44:46.409 --> 00:44:48.550
on this program with Leslie Keene, I told her

00:44:48.550 --> 00:44:50.570
I've got to get something up because my dad has

00:44:50.570 --> 00:44:52.869
been with me to all these auctions. He was astounded

00:44:52.869 --> 00:44:55.190
by what we found. I said, dad, Leslie will get

00:44:55.190 --> 00:44:57.349
this published and we'll be really happy, but

00:44:57.349 --> 00:44:59.929
it was too long of an investigation. I couldn't

00:44:59.929 --> 00:45:02.070
wait. So I wrote the first book and published

00:45:02.070 --> 00:45:04.869
it myself just so dad could see what we had.

00:45:05.130 --> 00:45:07.889
He died 60 days ago. Mommy's dead too. This is

00:45:07.889 --> 00:45:09.909
the first important letter to everybody right

00:45:09.909 --> 00:45:11.909
in the front of the book. It states, this is

00:45:11.909 --> 00:45:14.139
not. finished, but I have to print this because

00:45:14.139 --> 00:45:16.239
I want my dad to be able to hold this in his

00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.699
hand before he dies. And I did. But just because

00:45:18.699 --> 00:45:20.880
I printed it doesn't mean I did anything with

00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.280
it. I let it get printed. This book will document

00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:25.900
every step that gets you to the D -15 experiment.

00:45:26.019 --> 00:45:28.219
There's three voice transcripts in here. Here,

00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.159
you guys, you want to see what a secret document

00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:31.900
looks like? I think that's the mission report.

00:45:32.300 --> 00:45:35.260
Gemini 11 mission report. Secret for 12 years.

00:45:35.300 --> 00:45:37.239
And then I've got the other technical briefings

00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.440
in there. Charles Matthews had a NASA, right?

00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.239
There's his signature page. Do you see that?

00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.940
It says at the top unclassified. At the bottom

00:45:43.940 --> 00:45:46.320
it says unclassified. That's the end of the Gemini

00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:48.840
11 mission. It's the exact same format and the

00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.420
exact same size as the lithograph. This is on

00:45:51.420 --> 00:45:54.420
a 9 by 11 page and the lithograph is 6 by 9.

00:45:54.420 --> 00:45:56.179
And you can see it just fits perfectly. There

00:45:56.179 --> 00:45:58.599
you go. Secret. What is that thing? Gemini voice

00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.280
communication. Oh, that's what I was going to

00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.280
show you. Voice communication. So what this first

00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.059
one does, these are the voice communication.

00:46:04.219 --> 00:46:05.820
There, look at this. This is in the book. You

00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:08.239
can read for yourself their descriptions about

00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.480
what they're seeing out the window. At hour 54,

00:46:10.409 --> 00:46:13.769
four hours, 39 minutes, 42 seconds into the mission

00:46:13.769 --> 00:46:16.130
right there. And now when it gets to the D -15

00:46:16.130 --> 00:46:18.630
film, there's a military timestamp clock. Every

00:46:18.630 --> 00:46:20.769
time they take a picture, it gives a minute and

00:46:20.769 --> 00:46:23.150
a second too. So this is evidence that you're

00:46:23.150 --> 00:46:25.309
using. You have to cross reference all this stuff.

00:46:25.389 --> 00:46:27.150
And then it says, whether it's a pilot, the co

00:46:27.150 --> 00:46:29.369
-pilot saying it, I found three instances. Something

00:46:29.369 --> 00:46:31.329
go by your window out there. And he goes, let's

00:46:31.329 --> 00:46:33.289
turn around and go the other way. He wants to

00:46:33.289 --> 00:46:35.269
turn around and see it. These guys, you're trained

00:46:35.269 --> 00:46:37.289
not to let on what's going on out there. Come

00:46:37.289 --> 00:46:39.630
on, Gemini 11, this is Hawaii. Go ahead. Could

00:46:39.630 --> 00:46:42.030
you give me a reading on stack two Charlie, please?

00:46:42.170 --> 00:46:43.949
Roger, two Charlie's down at the bottom. Roger,

00:46:44.289 --> 00:46:46.369
two Hawaii again, and they're blank. Might as

00:46:46.369 --> 00:46:48.389
well turn it off, Roger. Go along with it. We

00:46:48.389 --> 00:46:51.289
plan to stay in blank mode until we get D -15.

00:46:51.369 --> 00:46:53.449
That's just seconds before they start the D -15.

00:46:53.570 --> 00:46:55.889
And that's just the indication of the photograph.

00:46:55.949 --> 00:46:57.869
So you can match it by the second. The D -15,

00:46:57.869 --> 00:46:59.829
I didn't know at the time. I had to do so much

00:46:59.829 --> 00:47:01.829
studying to figure out the significance of stack

00:47:01.829 --> 00:47:03.909
two Charlie. The significance is there were six

00:47:03.909 --> 00:47:05.929
batteries running the whole spaceship, but they

00:47:05.929 --> 00:47:08.889
called them stacks. It's a typical UFO electro.

00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.519
magnetic impact. When a UFO flies over a car,

00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.239
what happens to the car battery? It dies. It

00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.659
goes dead, doesn't it? The UFO, they saw it out

00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:17.639
the window, and the second they saw it, NASA

00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:19.800
calls out and says, hey, check your number two

00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.780
battery, and it died. Zero amps, zero voltage.

00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:24.940
Then once in a minute, there's a six minute voice

00:47:24.940 --> 00:47:27.340
gap. The battery had gone dead. We show the recorder

00:47:27.340 --> 00:47:29.400
monitor operating normally, and then it goes

00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.519
dead for six minutes. Richard Haynes says when

00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:33.940
he's looking for anomalies, he says, I look for

00:47:33.940 --> 00:47:36.340
anomalous voice gaps. And that's it. So that's

00:47:36.340 --> 00:47:37.980
one of the first instances. These are in the

00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:40.320
voice They're in there, guys. I want you to know

00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:42.659
that everything is in here in the actual documents.

00:47:42.739 --> 00:47:44.800
I'm not paraphrasing anything. I don't trust

00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.079
people who paraphrase because I'm the worst liar

00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:49.159
out there. Okay, let me explain. I can mislead

00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.119
you if I choose. I don't choose to do that. We

00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:52.760
should be approaching daylight. There might be

00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:54.219
something crossing the coast here right here.

00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.320
Oh, that was another meter. It's crazy. Oh, there's

00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.320
one of them. Wow, look at that. What is that?

00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.739
That on our left. It just passed over us. I can't

00:48:00.739 --> 00:48:02.440
see anything. There's a blossom. Look at that.

00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.360
And then the other guy says, I'd say that's Calcutta.

00:48:04.460 --> 00:48:07.449
I can't see. What in the world is that reflected

00:48:07.449 --> 00:48:10.110
light on my window? These are actual voice transcripts.

00:48:10.110 --> 00:48:11.989
That's the second one that I thought was anomalous.

00:48:12.090 --> 00:48:13.969
And then right after that comes five minutes

00:48:13.969 --> 00:48:15.889
of missing transcript. And then there's another

00:48:15.889 --> 00:48:18.550
one in the four minute gap. I want you to read

00:48:18.550 --> 00:48:21.090
the actual documents. I don't believe someone

00:48:21.090 --> 00:48:23.409
when they tell me something. I want to read it

00:48:23.409 --> 00:48:25.130
for myself. For instance, here in the diary,

00:48:25.210 --> 00:48:27.389
this confirms that he took a picture. What does

00:48:27.389 --> 00:48:29.929
it say? 15 photo recorder using. I've already

00:48:29.929 --> 00:48:32.110
commented on that. I took pictures when I thought

00:48:32.110 --> 00:48:33.929
there was something worthwhile to take pictures

00:48:33.929 --> 00:49:00.369
of. So you're crossing the voice transcripts

00:49:00.369 --> 00:49:02.389
where they're saying, what the hell is that flying

00:49:02.389 --> 00:49:06.250
out the window? the look at it to the debriefing.

00:49:06.250 --> 00:49:08.369
I'm not military. I do what I'm told. And then

00:49:08.369 --> 00:49:10.610
we match that with the debriefing. What's the

00:49:10.610 --> 00:49:12.789
purpose of the debriefing? To get the facts before

00:49:12.789 --> 00:49:14.570
they're lost. So you've got the facts in the

00:49:14.570 --> 00:49:16.409
voice transcript and you match it to the facts

00:49:16.409 --> 00:49:18.289
in the debriefing. This is the evidence we've

00:49:18.289 --> 00:49:20.250
got. There's the B -15 experiment. Look what

00:49:20.250 --> 00:49:22.949
you get. Guys, I'm giving you the documents.

00:49:23.050 --> 00:49:25.489
These stories I'm telling you are documented.

00:49:25.610 --> 00:49:27.530
This is not me. And there's of course, Scott

00:49:27.530 --> 00:49:29.989
Stinson and all that stuff. When you're speaking

00:49:29.989 --> 00:49:32.650
to the TikTok generation where they're not going

00:49:32.650 --> 00:49:35.099
to probably... They go through 600 pages of manuscript

00:49:35.099 --> 00:49:36.420
series. No, that's what the book's for. But I'm

00:49:36.420 --> 00:49:38.119
saying that might even be too much for them.

00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.280
The younger generation that's raised on Facebook

00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.079
and TikTok reels, they want that instant dopamine

00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.400
hit and learn something. So how would you encourage

00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.280
them to go look at this? What they would learn

00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.940
and what they should learn by observing and reading

00:49:49.940 --> 00:49:52.460
this material? In my estimation, everybody has

00:49:52.460 --> 00:49:54.659
a purpose in life. Nothing happens by accident.

00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:57.119
In my estimation, what's happened today is I'm

00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.099
talking to a couple guys who've got a website

00:49:59.099 --> 00:50:01.820
that speaks directly to people whose mission

00:50:01.820 --> 00:50:04.019
is the same. is my mission. It's a mission of

00:50:04.019 --> 00:50:06.599
research and thought. Somebody's got to do work.

00:50:06.659 --> 00:50:09.219
My mission was to read and I read voraciously

00:50:09.219 --> 00:50:12.000
and I have a very strange memory that I can recite

00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.699
most of what I read anytime. Believe me, as a

00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:16.699
kid I was like this. I couldn't understand that

00:50:16.699 --> 00:50:18.519
I was different. It's hard enough to fit in when

00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:20.800
you're a teenager, let alone when no one understands

00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.059
your jokes. When I was 11 years old during this

00:50:23.059 --> 00:50:26.239
mission, my parents had bought a 1959 26 volume

00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.800
edition of Funk and White Encyclopedia. One day

00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.760
I picked it up when I went to the bathroom to

00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:33.059
read and I read every single page through all

00:50:33.059 --> 00:50:35.500
26 volumes that summer. It's because we're born

00:50:35.500 --> 00:50:37.440
to do different things. So when you ask about

00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.099
the TikTok generation that is listening to you

00:50:40.099 --> 00:50:43.059
right now are very intrigued by what you've just

00:50:43.059 --> 00:50:46.239
presented to them. It's their job to follow through

00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:48.960
on the analysis. No, Dr. Diane Powell, she's

00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.019
my cousin. Okay. And she's read the books on

00:50:51.019 --> 00:50:53.840
ESP. She has the ESP files going on now. She's

00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:56.800
created a foundation. She was in taught psychology,

00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:59.099
clinical psychologist, Oxford in England, and

00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:01.449
at Harvard here in the United States. a brilliant

00:51:01.449 --> 00:51:03.570
woman with synchronicity because she and I have

00:51:03.570 --> 00:51:05.449
the same synchronicity. We'll get in contact

00:51:05.449 --> 00:51:08.269
and she'll mean it when she says I was just thinking

00:51:08.269 --> 00:51:10.710
about you because it's true with us. Somewhere

00:51:10.710 --> 00:51:12.969
out there in your audience today because of who

00:51:12.969 --> 00:51:15.730
you guys are I have no doubt in my mind you ask

00:51:15.730 --> 00:51:17.690
how do you get through that generation. I don't

00:51:17.690 --> 00:51:20.170
have to worry about that because there's a synchronicity

00:51:20.170 --> 00:51:22.530
that leads us all down our path. You got to this

00:51:22.530 --> 00:51:24.670
path by many things you haven't taken the time

00:51:24.670 --> 00:51:27.090
to consider yet and realize just how you've been

00:51:27.090 --> 00:51:29.710
guided step by step into what you're doing right

00:51:29.710 --> 00:51:32.469
this minute on your podcast. You have been guided

00:51:32.469 --> 00:51:34.849
into that. Synchronous events occurred in your

00:51:34.849 --> 00:51:36.969
life that put you where you are today. Just as

00:51:36.969 --> 00:51:39.750
me being with you is a synchronous event I was

00:51:39.750 --> 00:51:42.170
put in your life so that this message will get

00:51:42.170 --> 00:51:45.469
out to some TikTok generation member listening

00:51:45.469 --> 00:51:48.730
right now in your audience. And I know in my

00:51:48.730 --> 00:51:50.929
heart that somewhere out there is someone who

00:51:50.929 --> 00:51:54.110
heard us today and he will pick up the book and

00:51:54.110 --> 00:51:56.969
do the research and be the next great contributor

00:51:56.969 --> 00:52:00.420
in the search for truth in our So that's the

00:52:00.420 --> 00:52:02.940
way the world works. Ed, you shared some exciting

00:52:02.940 --> 00:52:04.940
information with us earlier. You're partnering

00:52:04.940 --> 00:52:07.480
with the history or discovery channel for us.

00:52:07.500 --> 00:52:10.099
Yeah, I've been negotiating today and it looks

00:52:10.099 --> 00:52:12.260
like if we come to an infractual agreement, which

00:52:12.260 --> 00:52:14.440
I'm sure we will, I just want this information

00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.699
out there. I'll be recording for their season

00:52:16.699 --> 00:52:19.139
six, January 17th. I've got a lot to get through

00:52:19.139 --> 00:52:21.699
to them because there's so much information they

00:52:21.699 --> 00:52:24.480
need to know. Some of this is blockbuster stuff.

00:52:24.619 --> 00:52:27.000
The stuff you got today, I can't imagine. The

00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:28.909
New York Times would run an article. on what

00:52:28.909 --> 00:52:31.769
you now have as information. It wouldn't be anything

00:52:31.769 --> 00:52:33.869
about the foes. The New York Times headline would

00:52:33.869 --> 00:52:36.429
read basically this, NASA did not have control

00:52:36.429 --> 00:52:39.050
of its own photos. CIA documents proof. And it

00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:41.449
would also be the second headline would be, nobody

00:52:41.449 --> 00:52:44.210
has ever seen an original NASA photo. That's

00:52:44.210 --> 00:52:46.289
headline news around the world, just there. And

00:52:46.289 --> 00:52:48.670
it's documented in the two sources that I gave

00:52:48.670 --> 00:52:50.349
you. You guys recall anything that I've said

00:52:50.349 --> 00:52:52.710
today? You did mention earlier, you've done great

00:52:52.710 --> 00:52:55.449
work. You can tell you have this amazing passion

00:52:55.449 --> 00:52:57.829
for it and you've dot your I's and crossed your...

00:52:57.550 --> 00:53:00.309
But you did say something about UFO encounter.

00:53:00.570 --> 00:53:02.329
Do you want to tell that story quick? Not for

00:53:02.329 --> 00:53:04.670
you specifically, but for someone else. I forgot

00:53:04.670 --> 00:53:06.730
the gentleman's name. Gordon Cooper. Mercury

00:53:06.730 --> 00:53:09.010
astronaut, Gordon Cooper. There's a whole chapter.

00:53:09.190 --> 00:53:11.409
Richard Haynes from the CHEM program retired.

00:53:11.469 --> 00:53:13.570
He let me include it in the book because this

00:53:13.570 --> 00:53:16.730
book is a handbook for how to do studies. There's

00:53:16.730 --> 00:53:19.289
that TikTok guy out there who doesn't even know

00:53:19.289 --> 00:53:21.670
yet that his whole life is going to be joyfully

00:53:21.670 --> 00:53:24.329
devoted to something along these lines. And remember,

00:53:24.349 --> 00:53:27.219
I told you today, look at that UFO. comes from

00:53:27.219 --> 00:53:29.960
a Chilean photo. And look at the similarity to

00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:33.199
the Simpkinson UFO. This is like a 20 -page analysis.

00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.219
You can see, so you were asking earlier if there's

00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:37.460
anything similar to it. Yes, so he's got a 40

00:53:37.460 --> 00:53:39.920
-page report. There's a really interesting drawing

00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:43.340
from 1966 also. The school incident, you guys

00:53:43.340 --> 00:53:46.139
familiar with the UFOs that landed on the school

00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:49.360
playground in Australia in 1966? I don't remember

00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:51.340
the name of the school, but I was going to show

00:53:51.340 --> 00:53:53.800
what I found interesting in my research. Oh,

00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:56.199
and here's documents. These are voice transcripts.

00:53:55.980 --> 00:53:58.820
from Gemini 10. Basically, they're talking about

00:53:58.820 --> 00:54:01.119
UFOs they're seeing out the window on Gemini

00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.480
10. It says, do you want to tell NASA? I don't

00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:04.920
know if I want to tell NASA. They're worried

00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:06.960
about talking on the voice chat. And they finally

00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.119
say, OK, tell them. So they tell NASA, have you

00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:10.900
been listening to what we've been saying? And

00:54:10.900 --> 00:54:13.460
they say, yes. And then they say, don't forget

00:54:13.460 --> 00:54:15.519
to censor it. But they didn't. But then again,

00:54:15.619 --> 00:54:17.440
it was secret for 12 years. I was trying to find

00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.679
the children's photos of the Australian incident

00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:21.820
the very same year they were overhead seeing

00:54:21.820 --> 00:54:24.579
the UFO. There are some photos of UFOs that landed

00:54:24.579 --> 00:54:27.099
in the school. art in Australia and it was a

00:54:27.099 --> 00:54:29.559
big stink because the whole school was terrorized

00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:31.500
and they had to send investigators from around

00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:35.139
the world 1966 Australian school UFO incident

00:54:35.139 --> 00:54:37.260
search it'll come up I had to look through all

00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:39.760
the newspaper articles because they stymied those

00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:42.039
people they had to threaten the schoolmaster

00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.019
who took a photograph with alcoholism and dismissal

00:54:45.019 --> 00:54:46.880
just like everyone else they're not messing around

00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:49.219
when you get threatened called the Westall did

00:54:49.219 --> 00:54:51.239
I tell you the story of Richard Underwood what

00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.300
happened to him in Guatemala and his wife this

00:54:53.300 --> 00:54:56.250
is in the Johnson space center, Richard Underwood,

00:54:56.429 --> 00:54:58.789
oral transcript. This is a two hour interview.

00:54:58.889 --> 00:55:01.829
And he says in his earlier career, while he was

00:55:01.829 --> 00:55:04.690
working on the secret photographs, he doesn't

00:55:04.690 --> 00:55:07.230
mention the word CIA, but we know who it is,

00:55:07.369 --> 00:55:10.210
right? He was working on a mission down in Guatemala.

00:55:10.409 --> 00:55:13.010
He went on the mission, surreptitious photos.

00:55:13.150 --> 00:55:15.670
He's a photo interpreter. And when he comes back

00:55:15.670 --> 00:55:18.269
on the landing field, he tells this story. There

00:55:18.269 --> 00:55:21.389
on the tarmac was the most beautiful Guatemalan

00:55:21.389 --> 00:55:24.369
woman I had ever seen in my life. fell in love

00:55:24.369 --> 00:55:26.760
with her and I married her. When the general

00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:29.659
I was working for found out what I had done,

00:55:29.780 --> 00:55:32.199
he called me into his office. He said, I should

00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:35.119
have you shot without a trial right now because

00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.280
you married this Guatemalan woman and you don't

00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:38.900
have the classification where you're allowed

00:55:38.900 --> 00:55:40.880
to do that. You can read these documents. And

00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:42.880
that's what I do. I'm giving you the references.

00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.139
Any of these stories you want to verify, you

00:55:45.139 --> 00:55:47.420
can verify them. This is what I love about military

00:55:47.420 --> 00:55:49.659
guys too, because they're just as full of piss

00:55:49.659 --> 00:55:51.900
and vinegar as anybody on this planet because

00:55:51.900 --> 00:55:54.920
what he says towards me and after that transpires,

00:55:55.099 --> 00:55:57.699
you can tell he still remembers that general

00:55:57.699 --> 00:56:00.280
telling him, I should have you taken out and

00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.940
shot without a trial. We stayed married and we've

00:56:02.940 --> 00:56:05.559
had four children and they all live with us here

00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:08.739
in Houston and they work for NASA now. What a

00:56:08.739 --> 00:56:10.980
way that he sees rubbing that general's nose

00:56:10.980 --> 00:56:13.099
and I'm still with the bitch, my reverend, that

00:56:13.099 --> 00:56:14.659
kind of ad. You're getting me close for a cause.

00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.139
I use them sometimes just because for me it's

00:56:17.139 --> 00:56:19.460
humorous and I apologize. No offense to anyone.

00:56:19.739 --> 00:56:21.739
No worries, brother. You can read these stories.

00:56:21.940 --> 00:56:23.579
The points are in there. The Warden Cooper story

00:56:23.579 --> 00:56:25.760
that you were asking about. I already described

00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.460
that right about the UFO he saw when he was building

00:56:28.460 --> 00:56:30.699
the airfield must be Hollis Air Force Base or

00:56:30.699 --> 00:56:32.980
else it could have been an area 51 Gordon Cooper

00:56:32.980 --> 00:56:34.760
go to the chapter on Gordon Cooper tells the

00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:36.619
story about when he was a fighter pilot in Germany

00:56:36.619 --> 00:56:39.739
and he had UFOs fly up in the upper reaches of

00:56:39.739 --> 00:56:41.800
the atmosphere where he could not possibly reach

00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:43.860
him he saw them in his whole flight solid says

00:56:43.860 --> 00:56:46.739
I knew then their behavior they were intelligent

00:56:46.739 --> 00:56:49.500
craft being operated up where we would he says

00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:51.940
they were UFOs I saw those in Germany before

00:56:51.940 --> 00:56:54.010
he was an astronaut during his fighter pilot

00:56:54.010 --> 00:56:56.150
days. He describes how we had to keep secrets

00:56:56.150 --> 00:56:58.889
and he talks about where you came up with the

00:56:58.889 --> 00:57:01.369
SBU secret, but unclassified. He talks about

00:57:01.369 --> 00:57:04.469
how we could not let Congress know anything.

00:57:04.789 --> 00:57:07.289
Every time Congress got something, they blabbed

00:57:07.289 --> 00:57:09.929
it everywhere and men's lives were in danger.

00:57:09.989 --> 00:57:13.409
They did this on the U -2 mission. When they

00:57:13.409 --> 00:57:16.690
made the U -2, the military craft under the classification

00:57:16.690 --> 00:57:19.150
of secret, but unclassified. And because it was

00:57:19.150 --> 00:57:21.949
unclassified, it did not have to be reported

00:57:21.949 --> 00:57:24.409
to Congress. talk specifically about when the

00:57:24.409 --> 00:57:26.150
U -2 is shot down. American buddy didn't know

00:57:26.150 --> 00:57:27.829
anything about that, right? What is this they

00:57:27.829 --> 00:57:30.130
shot down over Russia and it's got Gary Paulson.

00:57:30.190 --> 00:57:32.210
It was an unclassified mission and that's why

00:57:32.210 --> 00:57:35.130
nobody knew about it, he said. Nobody knew about

00:57:35.130 --> 00:57:37.750
the U -2 craft at all, except the Russians, which

00:57:37.750 --> 00:57:40.409
goes to show how important espionage is because

00:57:40.409 --> 00:57:42.829
no one in America knew it, but the Russians knew

00:57:42.829 --> 00:57:45.010
about it. So in the chapter on Gordon Cooper,

00:57:45.050 --> 00:57:46.969
he tells the story of what he was doing after

00:57:46.969 --> 00:57:49.090
he left NASA. When he left NASA, he was working

00:57:49.090 --> 00:57:51.429
still for the military. He was a valuable military

00:57:51.429 --> 00:57:54.340
pilot. And he had great expertise in classifications

00:57:54.340 --> 00:57:56.800
that allowed him to do important work without

00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:59.280
the concern of classification. He reports he

00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:01.679
was at, I've heard somewhere of a Hollis airfield,

00:58:01.699 --> 00:58:04.320
UFO landing. He was in charge of the construction

00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.000
of a barrier at the end of the aircraft runway.

00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:09.940
He had to produce a movie to show to the generals

00:58:09.940 --> 00:58:12.719
exactly how they build it, what it was designed

00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:14.900
to do and how it was designed. He had a Jeep

00:58:14.900 --> 00:58:17.179
at the end of the airfield. He had a camera crew

00:58:17.179 --> 00:58:20.280
out there making live film that they were recording

00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.579
the barrier. built at the end of the airfield

00:58:22.579 --> 00:58:25.099
he was in charge of that he gets a call from

00:58:25.099 --> 00:58:27.059
them and they tell him and you can hear it in

00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:29.980
the YouTube video we've just had a UFO land out

00:58:29.980 --> 00:58:32.400
here and landed on three legs in the middle of

00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:34.920
the field it's taken off now and he says wow

00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.440
we got it on film that's what they were out there

00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.480
doing they were filming and they captured and

00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:41.840
they said what do we do he's in charge of it

00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.059
and he still doesn't know what to do this doesn't

00:58:44.059 --> 00:58:46.239
happen every day I don't know what I'm supposed

00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:49.539
to do so he starts making calls to all his upper

00:58:49.539 --> 00:58:51.840
commanders to find out what he should do when

00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:53.940
he finally gets in contact with the right person

00:58:53.940 --> 00:58:56.260
they give him these explicit instructions have

00:58:56.260 --> 00:58:58.900
them come in right now have them take it to be

00:58:58.900 --> 00:59:01.179
developed make sure it's the only film developed

00:59:01.179 --> 00:59:03.880
no copies are allowed to be made have them bring

00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:06.219
you that film directly after it's been developed

00:59:06.219 --> 00:59:08.199
and you sit there in your office and wait until

00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:10.440
my courier arrives to pick it up they didn't

00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.179
say anything about me not looking at film so

00:59:13.179 --> 00:59:15.840
i took the film to the window i looked at the

00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.860
film and yes everything they said was there on

00:59:18.860 --> 00:59:21.409
the film i saw the UFO, I saw the three legs,

00:59:21.530 --> 00:59:23.690
I saw it take off. And this is Gordon Cooper.

00:59:23.789 --> 00:59:25.949
These are reliable guys. These things are in

00:59:25.949 --> 00:59:28.369
the book, all these hundreds of pieces of evidence,

00:59:28.369 --> 00:59:30.710
and I'm giving you the location to them. I don't

00:59:30.710 --> 00:59:32.690
expect people to do the research, but I want

00:59:32.690 --> 00:59:35.730
to make sure that those who are entrusted, journalists

00:59:35.730 --> 00:59:38.809
like you, who are entrusted with presenting these

00:59:38.809 --> 00:59:40.789
facts to the public know where to go and get

00:59:40.789 --> 00:59:43.469
this. And you can now say that all that he was

00:59:43.469 --> 00:59:46.190
telling us is documented. That's your job. Absolutely.

00:59:46.349 --> 00:59:49.230
And it's been amazing being able to... spend

00:59:49.230 --> 00:59:50.829
some time with you. I think we could talk all

00:59:50.829 --> 00:59:54.610
night, right? Like a conversation. And I can't

00:59:54.610 --> 00:59:56.869
throw myself away from the CIA files. Now that

00:59:56.869 --> 00:59:58.989
I've discovered the CIA files. And I do have

00:59:58.989 --> 01:00:01.389
one question for you. We always like to ask a

01:00:01.389 --> 01:00:03.369
spiritual question, right? And what you see a

01:00:03.369 --> 01:00:05.070
lot in the news today, and obviously you're connected

01:00:05.070 --> 01:00:07.090
with NASA. You've done a ton of research. Many

01:00:07.090 --> 01:00:09.369
people say we have not gone to the moon, that

01:00:09.369 --> 01:00:11.250
it was faked. What is your opinion on that? That

01:00:11.250 --> 01:00:14.869
one, I think, is not a reliable estimation of

01:00:14.869 --> 01:00:16.849
the situation. My book will show you through

01:00:16.849 --> 01:00:18.980
the CIA documentation. and how these things are

01:00:18.980 --> 01:00:21.400
kept secret. It'll show you that only four copies

01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.599
at most were ever made. Four to eight copies

01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:26.340
at most. The MPIC didn't know more than 25 copies.

01:00:26.420 --> 01:00:29.219
There is a logical explanation of why no one

01:00:29.219 --> 01:00:31.380
has seen it. And I can show you the methodology

01:00:31.380 --> 01:00:34.599
that we use to keep it a secret. Yes, secrets

01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.239
can be kept, but you have to show the methodology

01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.960
how it could be done. It's absolutely impossible

01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:42.480
that there's any methodology that would have

01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.239
allowed that to occur. That's not a possibility.

01:00:45.539 --> 01:00:47.880
Not with the life. It's just too far. are fetched

01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:50.559
when you can see the actual space launches. You

01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:52.599
say those space launches weren't doing what they

01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:54.519
were supposed to do, and you've got the whole

01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:57.780
nation following it. There's no evidentiary trail

01:00:57.780 --> 01:01:00.900
to my knowledge that will verify that. It's okay

01:01:00.900 --> 01:01:03.320
to be skeptical, but be prepared to do the research.

01:01:03.500 --> 01:01:06.219
Until you show me research where that is absolutely

01:01:06.219 --> 01:01:08.579
feasible, I will continue to say all of the things,

01:01:08.780 --> 01:01:10.860
all the evidence I've seen, contrary. But that's

01:01:10.860 --> 01:01:12.820
the important thing. I'm a skeptic. Those of

01:01:12.820 --> 01:01:15.119
you who believe that, prove me wrong. Find the

01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.579
evidence. That's what it's all about. We can't

01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:19.940
trust each other. We're human. I salute you for

01:01:19.940 --> 01:01:22.340
your skepticism. Find some evidence because the

01:01:22.340 --> 01:01:25.219
evidence I know is contrary to that belief, but

01:01:25.219 --> 01:01:27.639
I could be wrong. I appreciate everything we

01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:29.699
talked about tonight, Ed. You've been a fantastic

01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:32.420
guest. Can you remind folks where to find your

01:01:32.420 --> 01:01:34.139
book? Where can they go out, seek it out, and

01:01:34.139 --> 01:01:35.880
find it? You can order it in any bookstore if

01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:37.539
you know the title. Have them look it up. Ed

01:01:37.539 --> 01:01:39.539
Wilson said, just remember not Bart Simpson,

01:01:39.699 --> 01:01:42.159
but Simpkinson. I put pictures on the book. Look

01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.260
at these UFO pictures that are NASA photographs.

01:01:45.340 --> 01:01:47.769
Those are... NASA images and it's on the back

01:01:47.769 --> 01:01:49.929
of the book. A Report to Congress by Ed Wilson.

01:01:50.150 --> 01:01:53.050
That's the UFO. That's the D1540. I tried to

01:01:53.050 --> 01:01:55.269
put as many pictures as I could on the covers

01:01:55.269 --> 01:01:57.409
of the book. My books are expensive. I intend

01:01:57.409 --> 01:02:00.090
to make some money from it. I quit my job selling

01:02:00.090 --> 01:02:02.190
stuff to auction houses and putting stuff in

01:02:02.190 --> 01:02:04.789
museums. When I found this lithograph, I had

01:02:04.789 --> 01:02:07.710
to quit my entire job that I made a living. I

01:02:07.710 --> 01:02:09.750
had to spend thousands of dollars to publish

01:02:09.750 --> 01:02:11.590
all this stuff. Anyone who has a problem with

01:02:11.590 --> 01:02:13.690
making money from your labor, I like to go to

01:02:13.690 --> 01:02:15.929
the Bible. Jesus said, don't muzzle the ox while

01:02:15.929 --> 01:02:17.989
he treads the grain. Fat Americans, we're humans.

01:02:18.090 --> 01:02:20.150
And I may be fat, but I still like to eat. So

01:02:20.150 --> 01:02:23.110
I quit my job. My income suffered because I found

01:02:23.110 --> 01:02:25.590
something that has absolutely absorbed me. When

01:02:25.590 --> 01:02:27.989
you find it's like a man who finds a great pearl

01:02:27.989 --> 01:02:30.489
buried in a field, he sells everything he has

01:02:30.489 --> 01:02:32.469
to buy that field. That's what happened to me.

01:02:32.510 --> 01:02:34.909
I put everything I did to make money because

01:02:34.909 --> 01:02:38.170
there is the pearl in the I would have done this

01:02:38.170 --> 01:02:40.510
without renumeration. That's why, but I do try

01:02:40.510 --> 01:02:42.449
and put this information out there so that you

01:02:42.449 --> 01:02:44.590
don't have to buy the book. These photos are

01:02:44.590 --> 01:02:46.949
beautiful. Look at it. You want to see some ICBM

01:02:46.949 --> 01:02:49.789
components? Nine by nine? These launch photos.

01:02:49.929 --> 01:02:51.710
Look at these things. Look at that Wallops Island.

01:02:51.809 --> 01:02:53.670
Look at this. This stuff is amazing. It's the

01:02:53.670 --> 01:02:56.190
best history on earth. It's a story that has

01:02:56.190 --> 01:02:59.210
never been told and it pulls together all the

01:02:59.210 --> 01:03:02.150
ends of our frustration. What you're going to

01:03:02.150 --> 01:03:04.969
get, I believe in my heart, you're getting the

01:03:04.969 --> 01:03:08.780
final story. that explains why we've had all

01:03:08.780 --> 01:03:12.280
this subterfuge and problems and how it was done.

01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:14.619
That's what I feel. I agree with you. You've

01:03:14.619 --> 01:03:16.980
been fantastic. Like I said, we enjoyed every

01:03:16.980 --> 01:03:19.400
minute with you. I encourage folks to reach out

01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:21.420
to you, watch you on your History Channel show,

01:03:21.460 --> 01:03:24.079
jump on Amazon, pick up a book. Gotcha. But yeah,

01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:26.639
pick up the book on Amazon or your local barns

01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:27.920
and whatever bookstores near you. The reason

01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.000
I tell them to go to Amazon, I tried to put those

01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:31.940
pictures on the cover. You can look at the cover

01:03:31.940 --> 01:03:34.199
on Amazon. It's important to get the information

01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.360
out. I've got a website. Seth Lamancusa is my

01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:39.619
technical director who you guys have met and

01:03:39.619 --> 01:03:41.360
spoken. Wasn't able to be here tonight, but he

01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:43.619
has a website and he may have sent it to you,

01:03:43.619 --> 01:03:47.199
the link, but it's called Gemini 11 UFO on YouTube.

01:03:47.380 --> 01:03:50.320
Seth Lamancusa. Gemini 11, and you got to spell

01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:55.199
11 XI. So Gemini XI UFO. You can download photos,

01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:58.300
film footage from there, his Dropbox connection.

01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:00.579
I want this information out there. I want a couple

01:04:00.579 --> 01:04:02.619
bucks, but you get what you pay for too. I'm

01:04:02.619 --> 01:04:04.340
proud of my work. It's great work. I don't mind.

01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:07.460
As you shouldn't be. Yeah, go to Amazon and look

01:04:07.460 --> 01:04:09.559
at the pictures. You don't have to pay for those

01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:12.219
and let it stir your imagination. Thank you so

01:04:12.219 --> 01:04:14.980
much, Ed. Until next time, we are Zero Signal.

01:04:15.179 --> 01:04:33.059
We're out. You've been listening to Zero Sigma.

01:04:33.659 --> 01:04:34.300
We're out.