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to Zero Signal. I'm your host David, joined as
always by my brother Jay. Tonight we're stepping
into a landscape shaped by revolutions, fallen
empires, and the lingering shadow of the Cold
War that never truly ended. A few people have
spent more time charting that train than our
guest tonight. Christine Lin is an historian
and analyst with over three decades of experience
studying Russia, the former Soviet Union, and
the volatile relationship between Moscow and
Washington. Her work has taken her across radio,
television, and digital platforms, breaking down
conflicts, decoding power structures and reminding
us that history isn't the past. It's the engine
that is quietly driving today's conflicts. So
Christine, if we're listeners meeting you for
the first time today, who are you? And what drew
you into the world of the Russian and Soviet
history? First of all, thank you, David and Jay.
It's a pleasure to be here with you. It's a very
important topic. That's why I appreciate it,
your invitation to be on the show, because most
Americans know virtually nothing about the Ukraine
-Russia conflict. And it is precisely because
they know nothing about the Soviet Union or Russia
of today. And they have been subject to years
of lying propaganda, which has been designed
to secure their support for the U .S. position,
for the U .S. military, for the U .S. grift,
all the money that is being made. As with a lot
of other conflicts in the world, this is a perfect
example, a tragic one, of the result of the United
States' aggression worldwide. I was drawn to
this in particular as a historian and a researcher
in my analysis because of my deep appreciation
for Russia. Russia has made incredible contributions
to science, advances, its society, its day -to
-day life. for the civilians is something that
I have a very deep appreciation for. And as a
historian studying Russian history, Soviet history,
and even prior to that has been fascinating.
I've been drawn to it for many years and it actually
holds a very special connection. That's kind
of hard to explain to me. I love Russia and the
Soviet Union and this turbulent tumultuous history
for me has been fascinating. And in it, I find
a beauty to see what the Russian Federation And
because of that, as a historian, truth is my
highest priority. And I'd like your audience
to know before we get into this discussion about
the Ukraine -Russia conflict, that I always rely
on documented evidence, original sources, whenever
possible. For me, I have spent countless hours
looking at declassified CIA materials, State
Department documents. I rely a lot on Freedom
of Information Act releases, policy papers. like
from the Rand Corporation. And I've done this
for decades in terms of US NATO aggression worldwide.
And of course, due to my particular expertise
in Russia and the Soviet Union, at this time,
there's no more important topic I can address
when I'm talking to the American public, because
the US has a history of covert operations. That's
inside of Ukraine. Americans know nothing about
that. A consistent pattern of disinformation
to us. Americans, and the West in general has
done this, there's a long -term strategy of the
United States aimed at achieving the strategic
defeat of Russia. And these operations go back
for decades. And the narrative most Americans
believe about this is the complete opposite of
the historical truth about Soviet -American relations
and certainly Ukraine -Russian conflict. We're
talking about something where billions of US
taxpayer dollars are funding regime change, proxy
wars. political intervention worldwide. And this
one really touches my heart. And I'm going to
share with you the facts, not the Western lying
propaganda that's intended and has successfully
deceived most of my fellow Americans. So I just
thank you for having me. And I just want you
to ask me anything in our discussion. We're really
excited to have you on the show. I know this
is a controversial topic, but I also think it's
a very important topic. As we talk about a lot
of topics on our show, a lot of the times you
find the truth somewhere in the middle, like
the media, the government. It's not always going
to give you all the facts. And if you listen
to the media, you might as well just jump on
the first bus out of here because they're going
to be lying to you. It's so important to get
at the heart of it. I think a lot of people almost
view like at one point in time, Russia was an
ally of the United States and now there is some
type of competition that exists. Has that relationship
always been controversial or has it really soured
post that Ukraine conflict? Oh no, the roots
of the distrust between the United States and
I would include Britain, the UK and Russia and
the Soviet Union. It certainly didn't begin at
all in 2022 when Putin began the military operation.
It didn't even as some of your, I would assume
many of our audience is aware of the coup that
was Western coup, United States coup in 2014.
It didn't even begin there and we will get into
those during our discussion, but absolutely not.
I'd have to say that the roots of the distrust
between the two nations goes back many decades.
In fact, even during World War II, for example,
was contemplating and drawing up actual military
plans and discussing it with the United States
to launch an attack on the Soviet Union. These
discussions were going on even before World War
II had ended. And these US and UK military plans
was referred to as Operation Unthinkable. Churchill
even proposed the idea of dropping atomic weapons,
which of course were not in existence. with the
U .S., but he would have liked to see them dropped
upon Soviet cities, key cities. I would also
say during that discussion, it was proposed that
the Germans, to capture Germans and Nazi soldiers,
including the SS, particularly notorious for
their designated evil that they did during the
Great Patriotic War, World War II, that they
be armed and trained for an invasion immediately
following World War II so that the The other
allies would invade the Soviet Union, get them
out of Poland. When you think about the distrust,
the Russians have no reason to trust the United
States at all. Churchill even spoke soon after
the war, 1946, here in the United States, Missouri.
Probably both of you are aware of it. It came
to be known as the Iron Curtain speech. And that
is when this, I would say, officially and publicly
was announced to the American people, when Churchill
actually said, that an iron curtain has descended
across the continent in Europe. And that was
really the start of the, quote, Cold War. It
was started, and Truman, remember, was sitting
right next to him, obviously in sync with what
he was saying. So this distrust goes back a long
ways, even before World War II, and I won't get
into even further history, but even during the
Russian Civil War, the United States was involved
by sending some, and we did have Americans die
in that, fighting on the sides of what was. called
the whites fighting the Bolsheviks, and they
brought in military and weaponry and ammunition.
They have a very long history because, as I go
back to my initial comment to you, the United
States has always wanted the strategic defeat,
be it the Soviet Union or be it Russia. And Russia
took note of it immediately, even during World
War II. They knew we were not actually allied
countries. None of these countries believed that.
The Cold War narrative is just false, and it
is something that The United States was given
to view the Soviet Union and later Russia as
the enemy. The CIA itself was formed with a direct
imperative to oppose the USSR. So no, there is
nothing new about this and there is absolutely
nothing new about the conflict in Ukraine either,
because the CIA has been operational in Ukraine
for decades. There are a lot of key events that
add to that, but they were dropping, they were
trained. former Nazis soldiers in the US and
bringing them back afterwards and parachuting
them into Ukraine decades ago. Most of them,
of course, were quickly found and executed. But
I'm saying the Russians have been aware of the
US plans against them. They have absolutely no
illusions that the United States wants their
strategic defeat. So nothing new here, but Ukraine
is a key to it. And the United States has just
been waiting for the time to be able They thought
to weaken Russia and ultimately overtake Russia
and divide it. These plans are well documented.
I've read the documents where they actually discuss
these things. While they're saying they want
peace and cooperation, just like with Gorbachev,
I think back to what, you know, and we're talking
about Ukraine in a moment, the NATO expansion.
The Soviet Union was promised that there would
be none. The Soviet Union was promised in terms
of Germany. In fact, the Soviet Union did not
even want Germany to be divided East and West.
Stalin actually spoke about it is wrong to divide
a country and a people. There's no reason for
that. But the United States knew at that time,
along with the UK and France, that they wanted
to use that as a springboard, as they later did
in West Germany for military bases. No, they're
so much distrust. And it really comes from the
United States plotting against the Soviet Union
and now Russia. Yeah, I think of Russia and you'll
correct me if I'm wrong. But in my mind, there's
like pre -Soviet Union, post -Soviet Union. And
I think it all starts with Tsar Nicholas II when
he got overthrown. Do you think that was a coup
from the West or do you think that happened naturally
within the country? No, I don't think the United
States had any interest in the Tsar being overthrown,
I would say that this came, the roots of this
emanated primarily in the people. Under the Tsar,
very sadly, it was something like 80%, 90%, somewhere
between 80 to 90 % of the peasantry were living
in dire poverty. Only the elites were living
relatively well with basic provisions for one's
life. There was a lot of anger in regards to
the Tsar. There was also in terms of the management
and mismanagement and the choice of conflicts,
military conflicts, and that the Tsar had engaged
the country in that many people were unhappy
with and felt unnecessary. So there was a lot
of suffering. Thus when the Bolsheviks, and remember
the Bolsheviks came after the provisional government
and thereby a few months later when we, the Bolsheviks
saw that there was really a void there once the
Tsar was no longer in power. Then the Bolsheviks
decided that this was the time to act and bring
their government and their idea of a better government.
In terms of the West involvement, the West involvement,
I would say came into it once the Bolsheviks
had acquired the power and the governance. They
definitely tried in working in the Civil War
and with the whites against them, but they were
unsuccessful. They had several hundred Americans
die and only then, but that amounted to nothing.
of course, the Bolsheviks, I think for the most
part had much support from the people because
the people were suffering. Whenever you take
a look at somebody, a power change like this
happening, there's going to be both good and
evil occur. But in terms of the ultimate governance
of the Soviet Union, it increased tremendously
for the people in the Soviet Union. Literacy
went from practically nothing to the most literate
country, upwards of 90 % literacy. It started
out, I think, at 20 to 30 % became the most literate
country because Linen really focused upon literacy,
education, libraries. These are things most Americans
aren't aware of. Food production, agriculture,
all of those things actually improved for the
lives of the day -to -day average person. It
was not viewed, and if you listen to even in
later years, in the 30s, the 40s, and after World
War II and the 50s and the 60s, and those who
experienced that, if you spoke with them. Many
are deceased now, but if you had the chance to
speak with them or listen to their interviews,
many Soviet citizens and thereafter Russians
look back on the Soviet Union with fondness or
at least with the appreciation that it did save
the country. Frankly, I believe that if the Bolsheviks
had not come to power in the Soviet Union, creating
the Soviet Union, it would have been too weak
a country to withstand what we now later see
the onslaught slot when they had to fight the
German fascists, the country became much stronger
after they took power militarily, economically,
and socially. So I want to ask a quick question
and then I want to get to the special military
operation that's occurring today because I think
that's a matter that's close to a lot of our
listeners' hearts. But if you were to break it
down in layman's term, perhaps somebody that
doesn't know a lot about Russia and the United
States relations between the two countries, what
would you say is the big baseline for the animosity?
distrust or hate between the two countries. What
does it ultimately come down to? It comes down
to the United States has never relinquished its
goal that the Russian government is fully aware
of their strategic defeat. And that I would have
to tell you that every treaty, every agreement,
every assurance that the United States has ever
made to the, whether it was the Soviets or the
Russian Federation thereafter has been broken.
It is not the other way around. Everything that
I have seen the Russian Federation do in reference
to the United States actually comes after much
restraint. And then seeing that this other country,
instead of wanting corporation, because there
has been good corporation in the past between
the countries, and there should be for humanity's
sake, for exploration, there's so much that they
can learn from together. And the Russians have
continuously done that and shared much simultaneously.
continuously while the US has been plotting against
them. With Ukraine, our subject today, being
one of the primary areas that this aggression,
I would say fundamentally it is due to the United
States' hostility, covert and overt operations
against the Russians. And that has never stopped,
sadly. Yeah. Thank you for that. That's a great
explanation. So how about we move along to Russia's
special military operation? Obviously Russia
states it was because of, I think initially it
was because of in Ukraine. But what ultimately
started this war and why does it continue today?
Has Russia achieved this objective? They will.
There's no doubt of that. Even from the very
start, the very 22nd, 2022, when I listened to
Putin's speech and I have followed Putin's presidency
since its inception. I listen to the Duma, their
discussions, their laws. I read Russian newspapers
almost daily, Russian television. I really keep
a pulse on what is going on there. But before
I can answer that question, I need to address
something in your question. You had said that
they had identified it as like a primary reason,
and excuse me if I'm misquoting you, but you
made reference as if that was one of the primary.
You mentioned Nazis in Ukraine. And since you
said that, I'm gonna address it before I answer
your full question there. That is not one of
the primary initial reasons. I would say it was
one of several, and it absolutely is true. I
have studied these neo -Nazi fascist right sector
groups that have been operating in Ukraine for
decades. And again, the U .S. has covertly, the
CIA has been supporting them in Western Ukraine
for many years. At the time of the disillusionment
of the collapse of the Soviet Union, at that
time, there were even votes across Ukraine and
the other regions. And the vast majority, I forget
the actual number, but it was enormous number,
had voted to remain with Russia, with a new Russia.
And I think it was overwhelming, 70, 80%. But
in Western Ukraine, because of that, the fascist
element there that was completely supported after
World War II, the U .S. took them, trained them,
and returned them to Ukraine. That is where all
of these elements come from. It is a fact that
there are, whether you refer to them as neo -Nazis,
they certainly are covered in all of the Nazi
symbols on their bodies. When they are taken
as prisoners of war, if they're stripped of their
shirts, their bodies are covered with Nazi symbolism.
Even recently, they honor one of the Ukrainian
banderites, Stepan Bandera, we call them banderites,
with streets all through Ukraine are named after
this Nazi who we know committed many atrocities
during the war. So that element is definitely
in Western Ukraine. I just wanted to digress
for a moment since you had mentioned it, but
it was only one. of the reasons for this special
military operation. First of all, I'm going to
tell you in terms of what my personal opinion
of when Russia launched the special military
operation, I was so relieved. As a historian,
I was acutely aware of since the coup had occurred,
that again was USA Western -backed coup in 2014
overthrowing the democratically elected. And
when I say democratically elected, that election
was actually overseen by international judges
or evaluators at the time, proven. to be well,
but the United States did want it to be overthrown
and put in someone to their liking and they accomplished
that. But when I heard about this, I was so relieved
because to me, the special military operation
is the righteous action that Russia needed to
take. If anything, and even the president of
Russia has said this to some degree, it may have
been, it could have been done sooner. And the
reason why Russians look at it that way and I
as a historian look at it that way is because
Because I was very much aware that since that
coup between 2014 and 2022, when the SMO began,
over 14 ,000 people, civilians, had been killed,
had been murdered by the Ukrainian regime. And
these are in the areas that people here discussed,
okay? When we're talking about Ukraine, the regions
that have ascended into Russia, voted by referendum,
the Nets, Luhansk, Roshan, these areas were in
Ukraine. But remember, Ukraine was a very small
region. And it was really because of the gifts,
we'll say, of linen and later of khrushchev making
this into the second largest country next to
Russia in Europe. So these were originally all
part of the Russian speakers, ethnic Russians
that bureaucratically became a part of Ukraine
during the Soviet times. But these areas in Ukraine,
Ukrainian citizens then... They speak Russian.
They're ethnically Russian. They have religious
traditions that are Russian. But after that coup
is exactly when, if you want to talk about the
military conflict, began. And that is because
the people in these places rejected the persecution
that they immediately began receiving. They rejected
this fake government installed by the United
States. And because of that, they were systematically
murdered. They were raped. And this is all verifiable.
They were tortured. There were so many... acts
of terrorism on the civilian populations. And
like I said, it ended up militarily with the
bombing, the shelling, constant shelling of civilians
that over 14 ,000 were dead. And these people
had installed the puppet government. The West
was being rejected by the people in Crimea and
by the people in these regions because they were
being persecuted, not allowed to speak Russian.
The majority in Ukraine speak Russian. They speak
it better than they do Ukrainian, okay? They
were being persecuted for their religion. So
they They revolted against this and thus the
military actions began. They were asking Russia
to intervene for that entire eight years. And
that is the sad thing that, you know, until Russia
made the decision to intervene to protect these
Russian speakers, Ukrainian civilians being murdered
by their own government simply because they are
Russian and identify with who they are and their
ethnicity. Number two, of course, which we briefly
touched upon earlier is the encroachment of NATO.
Now, it goes back to when you were talking about
the distrust. Many years, Putin, I remember back,
I watched it in 2007, called the Munich Conference,
where he employed the Western countries to come
down to sensible relationship with Russia because
he had been trying repeatedly, believing the
things that they were saying and then finding
out that they would betray that. I would have
to say that it finally came to a point where
Putin and the Russian government realized the
NATO encroachment. And when we talk about that,
we're talking about all the countries previously,
parts of regions of the Soviet Union. Immediately,
the United States just came into there. After
the coup, in fact, the CIA went straight into
the Ukraine's SBU. That's their intelligence
services. That was immediately, within weeks,
they actually set up an office, all right? Nothing
covert at that time, except most Americans didn't
know. They physically stationed in Kiev. Okay.
And what did they do? They directed the intelligence
operations as they are doing now. They conducted
joint missions. Now this, the whole Ukraine security
services were essentially rebuilt under American
supervision. So this has been a U .S. managed
structure, CIA embedded. That is certainly one
of the primary we're seeing. Russia wasn't going
to allow the United States to have Ukraine join
NATO and put missiles that could destroy Moscow
within five minutes of its borders. And again,
all of these things had been promised to Russia,
Soviet Union in years past that none of this
would be happening. But I think that Putin and
the government saw that after years of the United
States encroachment and the breaking of all their
promises, they had to do something. And also
I have to throw this in, there were so many attempts
by Putin's government to avoid what we see happening
now. And that is where the agreements, Mint 1
and Mint 2, these were agreements took place.
Belarus, the first one in 2014, brought together
Russia and the Ukrainian government, such as
it was, and the leaders of these particular regions
to just have a ceasefire, all right? Of course,
I'm just telling you what sadly happens is the
Ukrainians did not respect that. Minsk, too,
though, was where we saw Angela Merkel and Holland
of France come together and say that they would
guarantee this peace agreement between Ukraine
and Russia and there would be a ceasefire. and
that these regions would be respected, still
part of Ukraine, but the attacks, the persecution,
the destruction of their cities would cease and
they would be able to speak Russian again and
attend their churches of choice. They would be
respected. That was Minsk too. But as we all
know, it was all a lie. And Angela Merkel has
admitted it. Holland has admitted it. The Ukrainian
president at the time, Western installed, has
admitted it that they only made Minsk too to
dupe Russia. Russia into thinking that there
was going to be peace so that they would have
even more time to arm Ukraine. Okay, so the time
came for Russia to do something about it. It
is an existential threat for Ukraine to join
NATO. It is also a threat to allow these weapons
that are there now, as we see almost nightly,
attacks on civilians. And we'll get into that
later. But almost nightly right now in Russia,
there are hundreds of drones sent in by Ukraine,
not on military targets, but on residential apartment
buildings. buildings. That's what the people
of the Donbass suffered. And it was time for
the Russian Federation to do something for its
own country and protecting it from the encroachment
of NATO and to protect those Russians who just
bureaucratically were a part of Ukraine. Yeah.
So I don't mean to digress too much, but I love
history. Obviously you were doing a masterclass
in history as we speak here. Sometimes I struggle
because I think of the Soviet Union and what
we learned or what I learned was that the Soviet
Union was obviously communist. anti -religion
grew up learning that Lenin was an atheist and
religion wasn't really allowed. And the whole
communist thing doesn't work. I think we've seen
it happen enough in this world to see that it's
not a good system. How do you reconcile the Soviet
block in communism in its fall? Because it seems
like it didn't work in how it's influencing Russia
today. Okay, great question. Thank you. First
of all, yes, Lenin was an atheist, but he was
not anti -religion. There were many Bolsheviks
in the revolution in the government. who were
anti -religion, and there were churches destroyed,
there was persecution of Orthodox Christians.
But at the highest levels, no, and as the government
formed, he was personally an atheist, but he
actually had an appreciation for Christian principles.
Many of the top Bolsheviks that I have studied
in their writings and their books actually appreciated
Christian principles. So I would tell you, and
it would be a show in itself, it's fascinating,
that some of them, of course, it was not outwardly
at all. accept it. But many of them actually
were Orthodox Christians. But that, of course,
was not a governmental decision. But a lot of
the principles that they based it upon, when
I've read the collected works of Stalin, I've
read Lenin, to get an understanding of actually
what they were basing this government upon. And
did they actually base it on it? And did it have
good repercussions? And actually, unlike what
you had just shared, it had amazing achievements
in the society. Now address that religious aspect
in a moment that you asked about. First of all,
I would say that the definition that Americans
think of as communism is very skewed. And as
a historian, it's not the actual definition of
communism when we're talking about the Soviet
Union. Communism has never been achieved. When
you read what Marx wrote about, it's a theory.
It's an idea. It's like an ideal that they felt
would be good for people. But it was never achieved.
They had the Communist Party, but there was never
communism. historically speaking. What there
was in the Bolsheviks established was a socialist
government. They would like that to one day lead
to communism where there's no classes and no
division and people had adequate provision. That's
what they discussed. That's what they wrote about.
But the socialist government that Lenin and was
carried on by Stalin during those times actually
worked quite well. As I said, the literacy was
amazing. The literacy rate for people who had
never would have had an opportunity to Lenin,
it was very important. that people's education.
They had traveling libraries and brought books
and teachers for that the common person who would
never have had a chance to be reading. And they
would get the classics from all over the world,
including the United States, for people to be
able to read. The education system, the opportunities
for people just exploded. It was finally people
were able to choose and have that education.
I would remind you that even prior to World War
II and why the Soviet Union was so prepared was
because because they also focused upon science,
rockets, exceptional development in rocketry.
And this was because the people actually at that
time, like I said, if you go back and you read
some of the memoirs of just people, everyday
people, the lives improved. Socialism in Lenin's
and Stalin's Soviet Union actually worked, and
it worked tremendously well. And at the time,
per to our conversation today, other countries
around the world were paying attention to it
as a model because they were amazed that people
could go from barely making it and not. The death
rate, the birth rate was so low, the disease,
and to see all of this eliminated and these people
who previously suffered so much actually living
lives and in many of the ways that we would measure
a society. In Stalin's Soviet Union, I was amazed
to find that the existence actually excelled
in a number of measurable ways that of America.
at the time. So it is one of those dark myths,
I would say, that really worked well for the
United States government to make Americans feel
that it was oppressive. Yes, now in terms of
repression and what you were alluding to in terms
of religious persecution, in the beginning during
the revolution itself, we're talking about many
thousands of individuals participating in that,
there were atrocities committed. There were people
murdered solely because they were Christian.
However, that did not reflect is more of the
tragedy of any war that is happening, just like
the one right now in Ukraine and Russia, what's
going on there on the ground in the Ukraine.
But it was not systematic. It was not at all
what the Bolshevik government wanted. And in
fact, under Stalin, if anybody did any type of
summary executions of people, because they did
have hearings. And a lot of the people that persons
will identify with the Orthodox Church and say
that they were martyrs were actually working
with the fifth column with Western agencies receiving
financial support to overthrow the Bolshevik
government. These were not people that after
a hearing were executed as they were if they
were convicted of actually attempting to overthrow
the government or participate in assassinations.
They might be an orthodox priest, for example,
or deeply involved in the church. But if they
were simultaneously, which the West doesn't like
to focus upon, actively working against the government,
no government allows that. The vast majority,
however, that were sent to the prisons, they
were sent to prisons. Many actually were not
executed. Numbers that people hear about, millions,
tens of millions, hundreds, all of these, it's
like pull a number out that they say that a responsible
and that Stalin was this brutal murderer are
completely false. There are a number of books
that, there's a professor, let me think of his
name, a Grover Furr, F -U -R -R. I would highly
recommend your audience that would like to examine
that because that's not what we're going to want
to get to the SMO here. But if you in any way,
what you think about the Soviet life and especially
about Stalin, I will say almost everything an
American thinks about Stalin is completely a
lie. And the CIA, I read the papers when I think
these were declassified in 2017. I got another
group of them from 2019, but we can go back and
see where the CIA and prior to that, the OSS
had identified that the number one threat to
the United States from Stalin was the fact that
his people were so educated. We cannot compete.
Again, emphasis on competition in the world,
nothing about a military threat. The Soviet Union
was not an overt threat in any way, but they
wanted the American people to believe that. And
again, other peoples in the world, just like
right now, the majority of the world know the
truth about the Ukraine -Russia conflict, and
it's only Americans and those in Western countries
that are left in the dark. But Grover Furr. highly
recommend to learn the truth about how Stalin
governed and how all of those numbers about people
being murdered and mass executions are complete
lies fabricated both by Khrushchev and thereby
picked up by the CIA to be repeated. The historians,
frankly, I am just disgusted with some of the
quote historians that say that they are experts
on the Soviet Union because all they do is regurgitate
these endless lies. And I go straight to the
records. I go straight to the records of the
NKVD, the KGB, and the CIA. And what we can see
there is there were no millions being executed.
The vast majority who were convicted of a crime
were simply set off, sent to villages where people
lived. Yeah, it was a hard life. It was very
cold in Siberia, as it is still today. Beautiful,
but a very rough life. And the majority also
would go to work camps, and the vast majority
of those left. They did not die in those camps,
as Americans call them. them gulag, an abbreviation
because they can't pronounce the Russian words.
But it is a complete misnomer about Soviet society
as well as the persecution. I would also add,
since you talked about the churches, Stalin,
in fact, once the power came from Lenin and upon
his death, Stalin had quite an Orthodox Christian
background. And he actually, we know from both
his children and their books and their interviews,
as well as other in the government, as well as
his personal bodyguard that, especially in those
years during World War II, he regularly met with
a priest, prayed, went to confession. And once
the power went from the Bolshevik government,
which was certainly far more atheistic into Stalin,
he later had thousands of churches rebuilt across
the country. So there's a whole lot of history
there that most Americans don't know, to put
it in perspective. But Grover Furr, you can learn
a lot about the truth. about the Soviet Union.
He is one of only a very few in the world that
have cared to research it. I am not here to argue
with you. And obviously, you're a very well -spoken,
well -educated woman. I really appreciate it.
So when I pose my questions, just remember, I'm
posing them from what I've learned. I know a
lot of what I learned was Stalin didn't, of course,
there's stories of the gulags. And he would execute
people, especially people he thought were potential
problems. But I know his greatest weapon was
famine. Like, he would cut off food supply. to
certain areas and literally just far about millions
of people. You didn't need a gun. You just needed
to control the supply lines. And ultimately,
I think, and listen, I think that even the US
at this point is in some form of a socialist
government. You can see it all in Western Europe
and all over the world. But how do you reconcile
the stories of mass famine and the stories of...
Go ahead, sorry. Yeah, certainly. No, excellent
questions. I appreciate every one of your questions
because it's rare to be able to have the opportunity
to... some of the facts with people, because
this is what we grew up with. Man, what you are
asking me is what I thought for many years of
my life, until I really began, as they say, that
deep dive in my career into the history. No,
actually, the most famous case of what you're
saying is called the Holodomor. And it has particularly
become very popular to discuss as if Stalin had
purposely starved millions of Ukrainians. And
I can tell you, I researched that. First of all,
was never used. There's not a single instance
of where Stalin withheld food as a technique
of power and control over any of the regions
of the Soviet Union. The most famous one being
the Holodomor. It's very interesting to study
how popular that has become with many people.
And they bring up the Holodomor and they accept
it as a fact, as if he starved Ukrainians. He
had nothing against Ukrainians. And what happened
during that timeframe, and first of all, let
me tell you about the word. It actually der...
arrived, Ukraine hired, it's very interesting,
California writers and those involved in the
entertainment industry to come up with a very
good story. Pardon? I said communist socialist.
It was a joke, sorry. They hired an agency in
order to manufacture, fabricate a story of mass
starvation intentionally done by Stalin against
the Ukrainians. They did this and this became
popular. right after the SMO began. And that
is when you started to see it. In fact, even
commercials and ads were actually taken out and
placed in Western publications to, quote, educate.
And guests started popping up to talk about the
Holodomor. But it never happened. Was there starvation
in Ukraine? Yes, but no more than there was in
the rest of the regions, including the Russian
region, including Europe. This had been, unfortunately,
just due to the environmental factors, something
all of those in the Soviet regions, as well as
all of Europe, have been dealing with for hundreds
of years, thousands of years. And every so many
years, because of the weather and because of
the situation, then there would be crops entirely
wiped out. And Stalin was actually known for
trying to, what little was there, to disperse
that equally, though never adequately, because
there was not adequate food at that time. It
reminds me of even during World War II, fascinating
situation about what happened to the prisoners
of war, the German prisoners of war. Very sad
stories about how the German prisoners of war
were mistreated. They call them Eisenhower camps
because he was heading up the military and the
starvation that happened of German prisoners
of war during that time. Well, as in the Soviets,
it's not good to be a prisoner of war at all
at that time, but they actually, yes, there was
mass starvation in both situations. The Americans
actually had ample food supplies and would with
hold it in a number of camps. This is documented
from US military. They're on record. I've seen
them interviewed. I've read what they've written.
They have come out and they've even testified
here in the United States about the intentional
starvation of German prisoners of war. I know
I'm digressing, but it's really the same point.
The accusation that what the Russians or the
Soviets did was the Soviets during that time
actually fed them, but no more. And I read the
decree from Stalin and it was implemented. It
had to be implemented because yes, You had better
follow the order. But the food had to be given
to those prisoners of war. It was the same during
the mass starvations that would happen across
the Soviet region and Europe. Nothing happened
to the Ukrainians intentionally. There's absolutely
no evidence of that whatsoever. And the Europeans
themselves were suffering and starving at those
times. So they simply took a very tragic natural
disaster, we could call it, and actually retained
U .S. right writers, entertainment writers, and
designers to make this story of the Holocaust
more. It is entirely fabricated. And I researched
that very much because it deeply concerned me.
So getting back to the special military operation
or war between Russia and Ukraine. So I have
a two -part question. First is, do you think
Trump wants to attempt peace? Obviously, he's
made a lot of opportunities. He's had negotiations
with Putin, trying to reach a peace accord between
the two countries. But so do you think that he
actually is really trying achieve that? Do you
think Putin is trying to achieve that? And what
do you think Putin really wants to achieve before
he kind of signs that deal and goes along? Great
question. I would say that I view all of the
Trump negotiations as political theater. I believe
firmly that Trump is trying to pose as a mediator,
which in itself is ludicrous when the United
States, as I have briefly touched upon, is the
direct cause of the Ukraine -Russia conflict.
This wouldn't not be happening, if not for the
United States and what they've done in Ukraine
against Russia. And Trump has not renunciated
that. Trump could have stopped this immediately.
I remember his words. They sounded great that
he was going to put an end to this. What he said
on day one and he said on week one, I don't know
what he kept changing. I think one time he said
he would end it even before he took office. Yeah.
24 hours. And at one time he said he would end
it before he even took office. And of course
that timeframe keeps going on and on and he says,
oh, it's more complicated than I thought. No,
it is not more complicated. If Trump truly wanted
peace here, since the United States is the one
making all of this possible, there would not
be nightly bombings in Russia and attacks in
Russia. There would not be attacks on the oil
vessels in the Black Sea. There would not be
any of this happening. None of this would have
even happened if the Minsk agreements had been
honored, but they knew that the U .S., they wanted
to arm Ukraine for this. Trump, number one, could
have easily done it, quote, in 24 hours. It would
have ceased within a week or two. really afterwards.
And all he had to do was to stop supplying weapons.
But I remind you, although he wants to say it's
not his war, he also bragged when he was running
for office that he was the first U .S. president
during his first term to provide Ukraine with
lethal weapons. And he was. This is not quote
Biden's war. This is every U .S. president's
war because this goes back for decades. And when
we take a look right at what's happening in Ukraine,
Trump was a part of it. Biden was, of course,
a part of it. And when Trump came in, he could
have stopped all weaponry to Ukraine. He could
have stopped all intelligence because they cannot
use those missiles and even a lot of the drones
and certainly the missiles without the United
States intelligence, without Starlink. If he
truly wanted peace and an end to this tragic
bloodshed for Ukrainians who are suffering and
dying as well as Russians, he could have stopped
it right then because the Russians had never
used aggression. It had only been in self -defense.
So Trump says he wants peace and he wants to
be a peacemaker. That seems to be what he is
saying, but everything internationally, not discussing
domestic policy, but internationally, he is not
a peacemaker. I digress, but you take a look
at Gaza and the genocide that is happening there.
And all he is thinking about is the development,
even sharing disgusting memes of himself as a
gold statue or lying on the beach there. This
is what he laughs at when we are talking about
tens of thousands of people being murdered and
their homes being taken away from them. He's
not a peacemaker, but he does care. care about
that image. He wants that image, and he's also
a man that never wants to say that he lost. So
for him to pose as a mediator and say this would
be another one of the wars with his ludicrous
count of eight or nine, which is nonsense, any
of us who have studied those conflicts. But nevertheless,
on this, he could have stopped all intelligence
weapons directly, weapons to NATO, because the
United States is essentially NATO, one and the
same, if he had won at peace. But he's doing
this charade so that he can appear as peacemaker.
He's hoping that he can bring a diplomatic later
rather than sooner into this for which he will
get the credit. But again, he is the cause. So
it is a very strange thing to see this political
theater going on because he's trying to play
the part, hope that it does end and it will end
and Russia is going to be victorious either militarily.
And if they have been trying to come to the table
numerous times, get past Minsk, get to Istanbul
in 2022, they had come to an agreement. Then
Boris Johnson from the UK came in there. I know
I would suspect that's not alone. The West works
together to make sure it didn't happen. They
did not want an end to this. They only want it
escalation. So no, I'd have to say that he calls
for peace, but he's insincere. His actions totally
contradict his words. And ultimately, Ukraine
is just fully controlled by Washington. All right.
And Trump is just the figurehead here, but the
United States wants to continue to use Ukraine
in this manner. No, I don't think Trump really
wants peace. He wants a quote piece where he
gets credit once this stops. But that's, I just
see his ego does not want to have a loss. So
he needs somehow to frame it, work with the Russians.
The Russians have been very patient with him
and doing these meetings. Meanwhile, they continue
militarily because nothing on paper meets what
you just asked me about. What does Putin want?
In terms of Putin, he has repeatedly tried to
solve this and they came right to it once it
had begun. Even though they had been betrayed
in Minsk 1 and 2, but then they had this agreement.
They withdrew their troops. They were not leaving
the areas of Kiev and a couple other, a couple
of central cities in Ukraine because of the talks
in Istanbul. And as a sign of goodwill, Russia
withdrew its troops. And then, of course, it
completely failed. Ukraine continued to fight.
The Russians lost that land that they had easily
gotten since it was completely, relatively unexpected.
I think that Putin has always wanted peace. I
will have to say. that his actions over the last
20 years has proven to me that it's not about
aggression. He's been very firm. And even the
restraint that has been shown against Ukraine
targeting a military targets, civilian death
is extremely low. There are a lot of fake videos.
And I would point this out to your audience.
When you're watching our news in the United States,
you can take a look in the corner of where the
videos come from. A lot of us have investigated
some of these videos coming from Ukraine saying
that civilians. being hit, for example. And it
comes out to be videos from some other part of
the world, for example. Their false flags and
fabrications are so extensive, one could talk
for several hours on those that have been disproven.
Putin just wants an end to the persecution of
the Russian speakers in all of those regions.
They're now a part of Russia. That is not up
for discussion. The Donbass and Kyrgyzstan, Crimea
are all part of Russia now, and that is going
to have to be recognized. And that can be recognized
and the Ukrainians can... unconditionally surrender,
along with an agreement. But I can tell you what's
not going to happen that United States and Trump
continues to talk about is like a freeze, a ceasefire
and a freeze. Whether that's at Christmas time
or another time, absolutely not. Because all
of history, recent history, has shown that in
any freeze, the Americans and all of the NATO
countries immediately begin rearming Ukraine.
I do believe that Putin wants peace. I think
Trump won't quote peace so he can get quote peace.
on his side, just so that it appears that way,
the surface and the appearance that he was part
of it. And it will happen, probably later, since
the U .S. is still playing games with what they
put on paper. But when it happens, Trump really
is focused on business. And everybody wants business
and normalization with Russia. In fact, Krov,
Foreign Ministry of Russia, just the other day,
met once again with the president of the United
States Chamber of Commerce. And their business
in the United States, companies want that restored.
Russia has capitalism. The United States really
wants that. This political hostilities and military
hostilities from the United States is only hurting
the United States, hurting Europe. Europe is
going bankrupt. Ukraine has always been banked,
by the way. They relied upon the International
Monetary Fund. United States, they've really
had no independence whatsoever. So yeah, I do
believe Putin wants peace. He wants an end to
this as soon as possible. He's shown great restraint
militarily. The United States simply wants to
appear as if they're neutral mediators, even
though they could stop it at any moment and they
do. Does peace start, he's obviously conquered
some of those territories, right? Does he stop
there or does he push towards Kyiv or how does
that peace come about? If parties aren't ultimately
working together to, Hey, you're going to take
this. I'm going to take that. We're going to
sign a peace accord. How do you see this? Okay,
I do believe that everything stated and I would
say this I want to get to your question the audience
that we have out there go it's available to you
this is a wonderful time to live we've got the
internet go and listen or read Putin's speech
when the SMO happened read it because when that
happened I went line by line and examined everything
that he said historically and all of it was true
and it would really be good if people would actually
read that it was very long but it was telling
the Russian people why this was happening, but
it's telling the world. Anyone out there can
go to the February 22nd, 22 speech by Putin as
to why the SMO was begun. It was true then, it's
true now. And everything said in it, they are
going to be victorious as for the scenario as
how that happens. In terms of the territories,
Russia has stated, and we have every reason to
believe them because they have never been trying
to acquire territory to rebuild an empire. On
the contrary, we do have a lot of regions in
Ukraine or several regions in Ukraine who been
asking, they want it to return to their motherland.
Only those territories, the four territories
that have become a part of Russia by the Constitution
and voted will is what Russia wants. Russia has
extended that now to needing to make a buffer
zone. That is because of the nightly shelling
of civilians from Ukrainian territory. They said
there will need to be a buffer zone so that they
cannot continue to kill Russian civilians. They
of course are not going to allow Ukraine to become
part of NATO, and there needs to be an actual
president to sign anything. Zelensky, this...
Zelensky, this evil clown, among all the European
clowns that we see, really the nonsense of the
European Union is becoming ludicrous to us that
are involved in geopolitics to see the things
that they are saying, all their vitriolic hatred
for Russia. But aside all the talk you hear from
people like Mertz, it's just absolutely crazy,
or the British. And you get down to the Russians
simply want those territories and a buffer zone.
They do want the demilitarization. They need
that guarantee. We talk about security guarantees
for Ukraine. The truth of the matter is that
Russia is the one who needs security guarantees.
I do not see them wanting any other territories,
but as long as the Ukrainians, which is the United
States, continues to fight militarily, then the
Russians are going to have to continue. And right
now I will say that if they do not come to the
table and agree to a peace, which can happen
at any time, Russia is ready for that. It's just
their security guarantees. are really not considered.
The last Trump plan included a few, but it also
included some absurdities in there in terms of
Russian monies and all of that being discussed.
But I believe that it will probably have to be
solved militarily, but at any time the Russians
are ready to solve it as long as their security
is guaranteed. But if they don't come to it diplomatically,
Russia, I think, may need to, especially with
the attacks on the shipping in the Black Sea.
There is many Russians and those who are with
Russia in the city of Odessa. Odessa is a Russian
city. It is a port built by Russia. Again, bureaucratically
became part of Ukraine and the Soviet Union.
There is a mass underground of those that we
are aware of. It's very dangerous for them there
in Odessa, just waiting for Russian troops to
liberate them. And when I say liberate, as they
come into these areas of Ukraine, we've been
discussing, they are very glad that the Russians
have come. I believe that there's a possibility
that Russia will need to, because of the continued
hostilities militarily, get to Odessa. I'll say
this personally, Russians know more than I do.
I don't know anything about that. But as somebody
who cares about the security of Russia, and I
want to see peace for the Ukrainians and the
Russians, it seems to me that coming to Odessa,
liberating it, going straight up the Dnieper
River, it's a natural divide in Ukraine between
East and West. And that could serve as the endpoint
to finally bring peace to the area and if I may
I want to when I discuss the idea of liberation
I want to tell you what is found when they liberate
areas or some of the areas that Ukrainians took
over in Russian areas before I watched a lot
of the videos even as it was happening not knowing
even that we have a few journalists actually
on the ground in Ukraine and in Russia in the
areas going down into the basements and finding
civilians back This is what the Ukrainians do.
And again, I differentiate between evil done
by a few and systematic evil. This is systematic
with the Ukrainian forces. We alluded to it earlier
about the far -right sectors, the Azov battalion.
They routinely murder civilians. Anyone who they
can see had gotten any rations or food rations
from Russians. Anyone that they feel is not with
them, civilians, elderly people, we found many
of them in their basements, shot in... the head
after being tortured. This is routine. I have
to say, sadly, Ukrainians have suffered greatly
even in Ukraine from the mobilization. So many
have tried to escape if they can't escape without
being executed. They want to be liberated. So
I would have to say there are many that want
to be liberated. It may happen militarily and
that is going to be a blessing for tens of thousands
of Ukrainians who desperately want to be back
with their motherland. So I've said this before,
and I think I'll say it until Jesus comes back.
I think all war. or banker wars, corporate wars.
How much of this conflict do you think has to
do with BRICS? So I know China, Russia, India,
they're all getting together trying to create
their own gold based currency that replace the
US dollar. Do you think this is like the first
front of maybe potentially a third world war?
I think all of this could be. And that is why
I'm very sad to see in other areas how Trump
seems to be very reckless internationally on
international policy. He has spoken. showing
his ignorance sometime when he tries to talk
about BRICS. He doesn't even know the countries,
as you do, anyone. Very easy. And of course,
a number of countries have been at it. I think
that he is a fearful man, I think, representing
the United States' interest in American hegemony,
which is what the United States is about, maintaining
their hegemony. I think that BRICS is based purely
on cooperation, trade between nations, just the
opposite of how Trump is conducting himself as
the world's bully. and militarily, as if might
makes right when it is not true. Bricks has been
outstanding and credible. When you talk about
the gold standard, interestingly enough, I think
it may have just been in the last months or maybe
within the last couple of months that the largest
gold reserves for a government is actually held
by the Russian Federation. The countries of bricks
are, the fundamental of bricks is respecting
the sovereignty of the nations that you are trading
with, not using manipulation, not using threat
of force. not using threat to steal whatever
you have in your natural resources. And it works.
That is the way for humanity to relate to each
other. I do think in terms of the devaluing of
the dollar, we also take a look at what is happening
in Europe. It is economically collapsing. The
United States, of course, remains that mighty
power militarily and economically. But even that,
we're seeing the cracks in it now, certainly
for the common man suffering in the United States,
regardless of Trump. wants to say, millions of
Americans know for a fact they are not doing
as well. They may like some of his policies,
but in terms of economically, they are suffering.
I do think that Trump fears not only when we
talk about geopolitically ever having a quote
loss, even if it's not a win for him, he wants
to paint it as such. And I think, for example,
like the Russians, they understand what they're
dealing with in him. And if he needs that for
his ego, they don't care. They simply want this
war to end and to have that peace. Yeah, I think
that Trump really fears Bricks. And if he were
a righteous man, which he is very much shown,
particularly in his second term, he is not. If
he were a righteous man and evaluated everything
from right and wrong, what Bricks is doing is
the future, the multipolar world, not the world
where the U .S. has hegemony. All we're talking
about here is economics. And it works when you
respect other countries' sovereignty and simply
trade with them, not bully them and not steal
from them and not threaten them. them in order
to have their resources and the benefit of their
resources. But again, the United States, sadly,
going back to our early history, is an empire,
colonial empire, just as Britain was. Yeah, I
think that's a great point. I think he fears
bricks. I think he knows very little. Sadly,
he knows more domestically than he does anything
internationally. And the people around him are,
it's a joke to look at the people that surround
him as if they can tell him anything that is
in the best interests of the United States. In
terms of world war Yeah, I think that we may
have never been closer. And that even includes
what, you know, happened in Cuba years ago. I
think we're closer now to that potential. I think
that is because of the recklessness of those
in Europe who want that war. When you take a
look at the leaders of Europe, the people are
against them. The people are suffering. I think
that's going to be coming to the United States
and people will be suffering in their daily lives,
but it's already happening in Europe and they
don't like it. And what for? To fight a war against
Russia? Exactly what you're saying. For those
who are invested in all of the military establishment
in Northwest, you know, in Black Rock, look at
Black Rock, Merse, all of them have their existence
based upon war. The Western countries and NATO
is entirely based upon having an enemy, always
an enemy, that we have to fight. And the common
man is paying for it and could die for it. And
it's not worth it. There's no reason. Brick shows
us there can be international corporation, and
that's the way it should be. You don't need hegemony.
So I have one stupid question potentially, and
one that's probably a little bit smarter. So
that's the stupid one first. That's the stupid
first. Yeah, stupid first. You remember me for
the smart stuff. Why does Putin always refer
to the war as this special military operation?
I never quite understood why he always called
it that versus a war in and of itself. And then
my second question, which I promise is a little
bit smarter, but I just never understood the
first one, is a lot of what we hear in America,
United States and through the European Union
is that Ukraine is the first stop. People like
Poland and other countries that share borders
like Moldova and other places have her from Russia.
Is that a reality on the ground or is that just
where we're here in this country and beyond?
Okay. Great questions. Yes. Special military
operation for the Russian Federation is a very
restrained effort. Although it does use military
forces, it is all out different than at any time
when a war. During a war, this ever escalates
due to the West or the European countries, which
we already have, by the way, proven, not just
mercenaries from the United States and Britain
and many other countries who are being paid to
be there now because the Ukrainian has run out
of most of the Ukrainians. Very sad what they've
done to their own people for this. But if it
were indeed a war, if hopefully it does not escalate
to that, Russia would not hold back. There is
no way that in four years, if Russia had any
aggression, even moving on to your second question.
question a little bit as I answer, but staying
on the first one, had it been a war, it would
have been with the weaponry that Russia has,
which I would have to say in certain areas is
far superior to the United States, but both are
the most powerful, but it has the largest supply
of nuclear weapons. It has the NIC. It has incredible
hypersonic missiles. It could have, as the United
States has waged war, as NATO has done, I think
back of all the NATO, what you could easily just
start the name off. like 30 or 40 NATO, where
they completely wipe out peoples. I think of
Yugoslavia and Serbia, not for any threat, but
for, again, hegemonic control. If they had wanted
that, this would have been over very quickly.
Within weeks, it would have been over if Russia
actually cared nothing about the Ukrainian people
and simply wanted land. To your second question
even, if that is what they wanted, they could
have advanced. They could have taken this land.
This would have been over very quickly if it
was Ukrainian land, much less any other place.
Dover, the Bokhani state, the other state and
regions around there. No, the special military
operation is a restraint using a very small fraction
of Russian military in order to accomplish exactly
the goals that Putin stated. The freeing of these
people from oppression and to remove the direct
threat that NATO was posing to Russia. Again,
if it had been a war, they would have eliminated
Ukraine. You think about the U .S. and its long
history of carpet bombing. and destroying a people
for whatever reason that they state to the United
States, but it wasn't. No, I would have to say
the, if you call it the words that you're hearing
from Poland are just spiritually insane, geopolitically,
politically, extremely dangerous, certainly escalation,
but these are all people who are extremely unpopular
in their countries. And the only way that they
can survive, you take a look at Zelensky and
all of the money that he has, it's not just him.
There are numerous, easily, from my study, probably
20 to 30 that have become multi -millionaires
in the Kiev regime around Zelensky. Where did
that money come from? Look at yourselves. It's
our tax money and that has been going to them.
So the same with the European leaders that you
hear talking. In fact, just recently, how disgusting
to be telling. I read one of the generals in
England just now saying that everybody's children
are going to have to die to fight Russia. And
when you hear these small little countries, often
with these stupid women, And of course, that's
the way it's won it. That's what NATO won't.
They're easily controlled, speaking as if there
is any threat. There is no historical basis for
it whatsoever. There is no basis on this. If
Russia's goal had been to create or recreate,
as they say, an empire like the Soviet Union,
they could have done it. They have withheld so
much of their might. So a special military operation
is a very small restrain using a fraction of
the military to accomplish a stated purpose.
A war is destruction of the enemy, but they're
ready to do it if the West foolishly escalates.
And of course, all of us do not want that. So
how do you think it ends? Because I'm just going
to restate what you said. It seems like Western
Europe is preparing for another world war. Like
you said, they're telling their populations that
their children may have to die to fight Russia.
It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me because
all those countries are, they all have nuclear
weapons. What is the logical conclusion of this?
Because it seems like the West wants to push
it. that point. And I have my own reasons to
think that ultimately that may happen. But what
is Russia's next move at this point? I would
say that the next move will be to finish this.
It looks like it will have to be done militarily.
I personally believe that they will stop after
they have that buffer zone and Ukraine can no
longer murder Russia. And I believe that you
will see Russia stop and cease entirely. Now,
if the Europeans foolishly want to escalate,
I will tell you this, they can do nothing and
they will do nothing. They can run their mouths,
but unless they had the support of the United
States, whether it's Trump or any other U .S.
president, to proceed to threaten Russia, because
Russia is not going to aggress against them.
But if they ever make the effort, and of course,
really, technically the United States, we call
it a proxy war, but the U .S. is at war with
Russia, but they keep it at, quote, proxy. But
we already now have English paratroopers, their
bodies dying not as mercenaries, but they were
there as British military inside of Ukraine.
That is a declaration of war against Russia.
And I'm sure Russia is keeping that into consideration.
How it will end is I believe that Russia will
most likely have to do this militarily achieve
all of the stipulations that we've already discussed,
the protection of all the people in those regions
and enough of a buffer zone that they cannot
continue to fire into Russia and kill Russians.
That demilitarization and a new government in
Ukraine, leave that to the US and Poland and
they can have their little rump portion such
as it is if they want that land. I am sure that
Russia will be quite accommodating as they have
historically in order to help those people. And
even if they do liberate Odessa, allow them to
use the port, even supervised, of course, so
weapons don't come in as they are doing now in
order to export their wheat. To me, Russia is
really the wise and righteous one in this battle
against the United States and against Europe.
World War III, what is ultimately going to happen
in the world? And I think you said you had some
personal beliefs about that. So if you would
ask me to speak personally, I'll tell you my
hope, of course, is I believe this will be ended
satisfactorily. And I believe that Ukraine and
the Ukrainians, hopefully, despite a couple of
generations of their men and women, for that
matter, gone, will have whatever country. It
will be demilitarized. It will no longer pose
a threat to Russia. I don't believe Russia has
any aggressive aims on any other country unless
they are attacked. They never attacked. This
was a very patient self -defense finally after
eight years. But ultimately I will go to the
fact that I'm a Christian and I believe that
all of this is a part of the spiritual war between
good and evil in this world. And I'm here to
tell you from all of my study, Russia in this
case is the good and it is a Christian nation,
far more than the United States, far more than
almost any country in the world. And I mean that
quite seriously, not peripherally or superficially.
And as such, I personally believe that this is
part of it. I look at Russia's history with fascination
that there has always been attacks on it and
those claims that Russia has attacked others.
No, you go back in history and see who attacked
who. Finland, you want to be talking the other
day. Who attacked who? They also include in their
ludicrous talk as if Russia attacked countries
when we're talking about World War II. Liberation,
even liberation in Poland. You're going to talk
about how many people would have died, been murdered
by the German Nazis had Russia not. Soviet Union
not got into that part per their agreement. What
I'm saying to sum it up, I do believe that there's
a spiritual basis to all of this. And I feel
sadly, unlike United States wanting to claim
that it's a Christian nation and all of that,
the government and the way that it treats people
worldwide is not Christian at all. And there
are millions of people dead all over the world
because of the United States, NATO, CIA operations.
In prophecy, if you talk personally and you had
your personal beliefs, There will be that World
War III. I have a belief that prophecy might
be here to warn us to prevent it, not that it's
destined to be, not set in stone. But I will
say that if it ever came to that, the United
States would certainly be eliminated within just
a few minutes, considering the Russian Federation
submarines that are just off our coast. If they
are ever attacked, and if it were coming from
a European nation, as you talked about the weapons
that they have, I would say England would be
gone. in a matter of moments. So I think they
know that. And I think that they're running of
their mouths right now is simply their egos talking
and their fear that their people are gonna turn
against them, which they are. I hope that as
a human being never happens for us on this earth.
But if it does, or to any degree thereof, I want
there to always be Russia. Russia is far more
important to me than any other country on earth.
Because I think throughout history, I'm seeing
the workings spiritually like the last bastion
of Christians. It's a good society. It's based
on good principles. And most importantly to me,
as someone who's been really anti -NATO my whole
life, I don't believe in aggression. I do believe
in corporation. I believe in having a tremendous
self -defense, but I also believe in everyone
putting that aside. And the United States could
do that right now. Stop all of this war and start
doing business. And that's what the United States
likes to do. And they could start doing some
great business with Russia again. European Union
will have its choice. They're not going to act.
independently, as you suggested, against Russia
because they know they would be eliminated. They're
never going to do anything. They are simply vassals
of the United States. If the United States does
not authorize it, it's not going to happen. I
think to be clear, if there is a war between
Russia, United States, European Union, what have
you, I think nobody wins that war, right? No,
of course not. Because there's just too many
nuclear weapons in play. And even if you push
the button the fastest, it's not a world you're
ultimately going to want to inherit. Well, of
course not. Nobody wants to. End of time prophecies,
right? Yeah, you've got to be insane. Yeah, exactly.
That's what his question suggested to me. Otherwise,
I wouldn't bring it up, but it really suggests
that. But I will say this, interestingly enough,
just from the human perspective, living in the
United States, as we see this, our society is
getting worse. The food, the security, the prices,
certainly our everyday life, the violence that
is in our society. All of this is at a time when,
I can tell you, in Russian society, it is much
better. It's certainly far better than in most
of the European countries. There are some other
good places in the world, but I would say there's
no comparison between the quality of life for
an average Russian and an average American. And
the funny thing about it is Americans think they
have it the best, the land of the free and liberty,
and yet they're struggling day to day. Most people
are struggling and it is only getting worse.
And yet in Russia, it's not that way. To your
doomsday in scenario, whatever degree that would
happen, of course, that is hell. on earth. That
is truly the hell coming from human beings' egos,
if that were to happen. But for the Russian people,
at least, Russia cannot accommodate everyone
in that vast country. About half the population
of the US, although much bigger, the biggest
country on earth, they actually have underground
facilities stocked with water and food for many
months for much of their population. If you live
in a Russian city, not just Moscow, but many
of the Russian cities, in such scenario if, whatever
degree there is an exchange and weapons are landing
in Russia, many people have a place to go. In
the United States, only the, quote, special people
of Washington, D .C., and all over this country
will immediately go to their special place. They
don't care about you and I. Human life means
nothing to the U .S. government, and the U .S.
government is made up of Americans who got the
power. Greed, power seems to be the motivator
of almost every American, and the ones at the
top are exploiting the rest of us. And it's just
sad that so many of my fellow Americans don't
see they're being used. They get caught up in
their left versus right, their Democrat versus
Republican. But all the while, both of them at
the top, and as you alluded to before, the bankers,
the entire military complex, and all those making
money, they will survive. And they have made
accommodations if worse comes to worse. But they
don't care about the American people. Just that
evil, I would say, demonic Lindsey Graham speaking.
others have repeated it that they're going to
keep fighting this conflict until the last Ukrainian.
What human being says that about a people? We
don't want Ukrainians gone. I tell you Russians
more than anyone don't want these brotherly fellow
Orthodox Christian people to be gone and their
deaths are straight on the U .S. government.
And hopefully it never comes to that. But I would
say even in the worst situation, at least the
Russians care about their people and trying to
save some. And they also have the dead hand.
You may have heard about that. They have a lot
more sense to dead hand, but even in the worst
case scenario of the Russian government being
unable to control the weapons would immediately
be sent. Hopefully if any nuclear is kept within,
and any of it is tragic, but kept within a certain
boundary so that there is not full devastation
on this earth. But even if it is contained, I
would say that the United States, relatively
speaking, is going to get the worst of it. England,
Europe would be gone. Russia is a very large
nation. We all hope. We do the good we can do.
And I would say for every American listening
to me, get out of your idea that the United States
is the good guys because they have been savage.
And it pains me to have to say this about my
country, but they have been savage and brutal.
And NATO is simply a tool, a military tool of
the United States. It has never been defensive.
And as soon as the Soviet Union was no more,
they immediately began using their military might
against other countries. And many civilians have
suffered. should have been dismantled if it was
truly defensive against communism, but that wasn't
its purpose and it is not its purpose now. First
of all, when I think of the Russia and Ukraine
war, to me, it's very sad because I almost view
it as like the civil war that we saw in the United
States many years ago, because a lot of the Russians
and Ukrainians are essentially kin, they're brothers
and sisters, they're family members, they're
relatives, right? So there are very close people
if you look at it from an historical lens. So
I do view that as very sad, but I also sometimes
wonder does the ends just That's how I look at
it to see if we've solved the problem. They're
going to come to a point where Putin is, there's
too much bloodshed. I need to step back from
this red line because the war has gone on and
the people I'm trying to save, the body counts
rising and we've killed more people than we could
have potentially saved. Sometimes I wonder if
the United States and others are like, just make
the war last long enough so that he gives up
and there has to be no further incursions. Is
there something there? No, but that is what the
American government wants Americans to believe.
Number one, going to that friend. to injustice
the means, whoever you apply that to, certainly
that is not the way the Russian Federation operates,
but it is how the United States operates. They
believe that the end goal, one day that they
hope, regime change in the Russian Federation,
that is certainly something they would like.
They would like to see the people unhappy that
there's been so much death, like you're talking
about, that they would turn against the government,
the Putin government, but that's not happening.
I can tell you on the ground in Russia, there
is incredible support because, as you and I were,
just discussing. The Ukrainians are a brotherly
people. They are fellow Orthodox Christians.
A lot of our audience might not know what that
term is. That is the original Christian church.
It's an apostolic church directly as Christ and
the apostles formed. All the other churches we
know of in the world, in the United States, Catholic
and Protestants came from that. So it's the original
Christian church. So they share that. But in
terms of they don't operate by the end justifies
the means. The U .S. does. And they think that
the end of the ultimate either regime change
as if Russians would turn against Putin, they
are not. He has incredible support in that. country,
both because of saving the country from the despair
of the 90s and the early 2000s, to right now
defending the Russian sovereignty. Because everybody
does understand, and it's a fact, Russian sovereignty
was being threatened by Ukraine. In terms of
the idea of just making this extend and that
Putin might say, as you suggested, that enough
is enough and enough death and just come to it,
no, not without the stated reasons. Because one
thing the Russians have learned is that never
again are they going to be lied to and duped
as they were in Minsk 1, Minsk 2, and all throughout
history. Even when they made agreements after
the end of World War II and all of those agreements
were betrayed by the U .S. and NATO expansion.
They know it's an existential threat and NATO's
plans. No, I don't believe that there's going
to be any concession in that way from the Russian
Federation. And I would say this, the Americans,
a lot of Americans I speak to actually think
that the Ukrainians had a chance. I can tell
you, militarily, and I do study the military
quite a bit. It's not as much as I study the
history as the historian, but I'm very fascinated
by the military aspect of this. Militarily, from
day one, there was no chance that the Ukrainians
are ever going to, quote, prevail. That has been
ludicrous. It is a special military effort, very
much restraint shown, and it is increasing now
in terms of the attacks on what they're willing
to do in terms of the military targets, including
a lot of the NATO and mercenaries. that are in
Ukraine. And it's interesting in the United States
what happens to those people when they die and
what they're told because there's not supposed
to be, they're not supposed to be in Ukraine.
But no, I see none of that. Those are stories
that are given to you by either Europeans or
certainly some of the US politicians who want
to act like that there's any quote chance. And
I go back to right and wrong. Who is right and
who is wrong? It would be wrong for Ukraine to
quote when. There's no chance of that. There
never has been, but it would be wrong. because
all it is NATO aggression. Their goal is to change
the government in Russia, take over Russia ideally,
steal all of its resources and have the tremendous
benefit of everything that the largest country
on earth has. But no, there's no chance of the
Russian people turning against their government.
And there's absolutely zero chance of that militarily
and the loss of life that they're going to stop.
The Russians who have died sadly having to kill
Ukrainians and most Ukrainians fighting do not
want to be there. I can tell you that. the mobilization
techniques, they even kill them trying to mobilize
them. This is what Ukraine does. It is measured
in hours, sometimes days, if not hours, anyone
who is sent to the front on the Ukrainian side
now. There is no reason for Ukrainians to continue
to be dying. Now they're so desperate, they're
placing ads all around the world to pay people
several thousand dollars to come and fight their
stupid young men who are older in some cases,
think they can go and get a kick out of killing
some Russians and make some money. end up dead
very quickly. No, there's no chance of those
scenarios. Russia's going to be victorious sooner
or later, depending upon what the United States
wants. Yeah. So I know you're a woman of faith.
And so this podcast look at everything through
like a biblical lens. And I often think about
the war of Inakiel and I think of the one world
government. I almost think, and you stated, you
don't think prophecy is not necessarily, maybe
I'm misquoting you, like inevitability. I do
think it's an inevitability, but I think God
is gracious and he's kind. He would delay, just
like he did with Jonah and Nineveh and the Israelites
as they repented, he would delay judgment. I
worry that this is setting the stage for that
one, like that huge war that ultimately brings
forth the one world order, the new world order.
And I think in like Revelation, that prophecy,
I think one of the armies that ends up going
to Jerusalem that God ultimately wipes out is
people from Russia. What are your thoughts on
that, if biblical prophecy and how do you see
it? Sure. Sure. I've studied that personally.
And because my faith is very important to me,
your belief that it is inevitable. I have to
say, I actually, I agree with you. I almost,
I hope that it is not that complete in, but right
now I'd have to say the path that we're on. Some
people believe it is inevitable. Some people
believe we're being given the chance to change
that. But yet, yes, I tend to believe that one
day it will come to that in terms of that one
world government, that globalism and everything
is exactly what when I raid and I have just gone
back over that in terms of both prophecy and
orthodox Christianity. Prophecy is very interesting.
I would recommend that scholars and priests writing
about that. And they all have believed that it
is inevitable as well. But when you read it through
the lens of right and wrong, and when I as a
historian look at who has always been right,
despite what we are told, I see the U .S. now
they're going to lose in Ukraine, try to make
it out as we brought peace. They're pivoting
now toward China. China's not posing a threat
to us, except you could call it. quote a threat,
economically. But they're not trying to do something
actively against, again, bricks that you talked
about earlier. We also see America pivoting under
Trump against Iran, all right? North Korea, China,
Russia, Iran. Now that brings back into all that
biblical prophecy, Gog and Magog. And although
this is a completely at odds with many Western
American evangelists or considered biblical scholars,
I think we're all human beings and our mind and
our faith and our prayer as we read the Bible.
And I believe that those two in terms of that
one world government and the evil of the Zionist
state, I certainly am against all of these Christians.
I believe they are misled is what I'm saying
in the United States to think that the United
States should side with the Zionist state after
all of the evil that it has been doing since
1948. And to align with it and to call that the
God's chosen people is an abomination in itself
to refer to the Zionist as God's chosen people.
And so I believe that the Antichrist, since you
asked me, the Antichrist will likely rise and
we are going to see, and it will be in alignment,
I believe, with the United States and the Zionist
state and a few actually of the Middle Eastern
states. And I believe that one world government
may very well ultimately be established. And
I feel that the one that is going to do the work
of God in that great battle is going to be the
very ones that the United States calls their
enemies, Russia. China. North Korea, and Iran.
And I believe that the good are them, and the
evil, sadly, is my own country, the United States,
and the Zionist state, and those that join with
them. So if indeed that, I believe that the United
States are going to get the spiritual consequences.
I think we already are in our society, and I
think ultimately if that happens, they will,
because as we know, then in prophecy, despite
all of the death and bloodshed, ultimately though,
who is with God? And I will tell you fundamentally
my belief. not only as a historian and what's
going on, but as a Christian is that God is with
the Russians and those that are cooperating and
are not aggressing against other nations, but
merely dealing in self -defense. It's a very
different take than most of my fellow Christians
in my country believe, but I believe dispensationalism
to be one of the great evils that's happening
in my country. And I think that any Christian
that aligns themselves with what is Zionist state,
they call themselves what Christian Zionists
or something. like that where it's the same as
calling yourself a Christian Satanist because
there is no more satanic demonic country on earth
than the Israel of today. God's chosen people
in the Bible refers to his people who believe
the new covenant was brought by Jesus Christ.
It was taken away as in the Bible says from those
who only spoke the words and the hypocrites and
to align with a Zionist state and you can see
by their fruits you shall know them the Zionist
state is a murderous state it always has been
and to align with them and to make that possible.
I believe the spiritual consequence is going
to come to the United States. I digressed a little
bit there, but you brought all that to my mind.
So my second to last question for you, Christine,
is how do you view Vladimir Putin just as a man?
Because we hear a lot of evil things in the West
about what he's done, the horrible assassinations
on his opponents, what was it he was being nuclear
material and drinks and people were drinking
them and stuff. How do you view him and how do
you think the rest of the world outside of like
the E. in the United States? Good question. First
of all, it could be a show in itself. First of
all, the war crimes, atrocities, and everything
that they apply to both the Russians during this.
I can tell you I've studied them all. I know
we're going to wrap up here. But whether you're
talking about Buccia, you take a look at the
Crocus City Hall, the mass murders that came
from Ukraine. The telephones proved it. The cryptocurrency
that was paid from Ukraine to those who came
into a huge music hall and murdered, I think,
about 150. 49 children. It was a children's concert
going on, a youth concert, and their families.
Bucha was completely staged. I'm just going to
quickly touch upon this. Some of the dark lies
that we have been told. I watched as the mayor
of Bucha came through after the Russian troops
withdrew, for example, and there was no bodies
in the street. Give it a day or two after we've
all seen that it wasn't, and then they suddenly
start appearing. But what I'm saying is even
you're talking about Putin and the stories about
them, they are laughable. I actually studied
10 of them. Many years ago, frankly, I was very
interested in each and every one of those cases.
I'm not going to go into them now with you guys,
but aside from one or two that I just didn't
have enough information fully to go into. And
even to that degree, I feel all of them to be
false narratives from the West. A lot of these
people had a lot of enemies. And I would even
say that there was one death that happened in
Germany where a person was assassinated by a
Russian there. That man was reported in the West
as if it was just some person living in Germany.
and had come from Russia, but he had committed
a mass atrocity in Russia, which we were all
aware of, I believe, laying down, I think it
may have been Russian soldiers all in line and
then running, getting his vehicle and running
back and forth over them. So he ends up shot
in Germany, but they don't tell you what that
man had done that had offended, to say the least,
many Russians to Putin. So I'm just saying a
lot of the stories would make for a whole show
in itself. I'd love to address anything you guys
would bring up to me, but in terms of Putin,
And I would say overall, I've studied, I've really
watched the man for decades now. And I would
say that he is, I'd call him, and I am very particular
about who I would say this about. I'm an American
and I've seen how religion is used to get support
from the people when they're so far from being
a Christian in this country. But I would say
I believe him to be a sincere Christian, even
completely out of the public eye, even on his
vacations, even when he goes to the far, if it's
Pascha, which is the Russian Easter. He will
even go to a tiny village church to be able to
have communion. He doesn't have to do that. There's
a lot of stories it does. It really seems that
he takes to heart his Christianity. I don't think
it's for show. I think it's deeply personal.
There's a lot of people, even in some of the
most remotest villages, that can tell you about
their experiences with him. And there's no cameras
there, but there are people that you can speak
with. His actions reflect, I'd say, a morality
that is most certainly Christian. As the leader
of Russia, he's been a great leader. He rebuilt
the Russian economy. This is why the people of
Russia love him. During the time of after Gorbachev
and it was horrible and all of the Americans
coming in and just really very destructive, I
would say in terms of the society there and a
collapse economically and then going into Yeltsin
and all of that. Putin came in very strong and
got rid of a lot of the oligarchs that were profiting
from all of that. They didn't expect that. United
States didn't expect that either. He rebuilt
the Russian economy and of course their army.
and their industry because they were in ruins.
People suffered. You talk to women and families
and they had children and what it was like at
the time of the Soviet collapse. And by the time
when Putin finally came, he just restored. He
restored them economically and their lives and
their dignity and their sovereignty as a nation.
And so he began immediately reducing poverty
and improving the living standards, just modernizing
the infrastructure. And I'll tell you, for anyone
that hasn't been to Russia, it is absolutely
It's absolutely a magnificent place if you visit
Moscow. It's nothing like the United States.
The Metro, which was begun by Stalin, actually,
and you see the beauty of it. He actually wanted
Moscow to be the most beautiful city for the
people. He said he doesn't want it to be in a
museum. He wants all the people. Russia has continued
that. Putin continues that. Absolutely beautiful
Metro stations and art everywhere. There's so
much available to people. Exercise, I'll just
tell you. I care about physical fitness a lot,
but in the United States, You either have your
own exercise equipment and room in your home,
as I do, or else you got to pay and go somewhere.
In Russia, wherever you live, even the smaller
villages, that's all provided to you. There's
so much great equipment. It's like a, it's a
national good and priority, the health and the
happiness of the people. So I'd say the people
are very much behind him. He rebuilt the country.
He saved the country, in fact. And as a global
figure, you asked, I would say he was respected
and appreciated in the majority of the world.
And that's difficult for - Americans to grass
because we're talking about Africa, the global
South, they are being given hope through bricks
and through interactions, not from exploitation,
manipulation. You do this or else you think about
how the U S gained so much control in the Balkans
and everything is coming with their money. You
do this, but if you corporate with at the time
Soviet Union or now Russia, we won't give you
this money, but that's not how Russia and particularly
Russia is operating. They're bringing education
and food to people who have been suffering from
colonialism. So I'd say when you include the
global South, it's seen as a balance to the US
hegemony and domination and exploitation of people.
So he's viewed, Putin is viewed as stabilizing
and amidst all the chaos, it's like bringing
hope to other people that the world is changing
and the world is changing. It's going to be a
multipolar world and the sooner the United States
recognizes it and it can start doing better economically,
certainly Europe, like those fools. They are
letting their people suffer for no reason. Russia
poses no threat. And I say this objectively,
Russia poses no threat to the rest of the world,
but they seriously can destroy anyone who attacks
them. But I think they only want peace. And to
me, in my study of history and recent history,
that's all that they want. And BRICS is proof
of that. Yeah. Thank you for that. As we close
tonight, what do you want to leave the audience
with? Ray, what impression, what lasting impression
do you want to leave with us? Thank you. First
of all, I want to thank you, Dave. David and
Jay for having me. I thank our audience for listening.
I would ask that they have no knee -jerk reactions
to anything that I have spoken, because anything
that I have shared with you is completely supported
and bustraced by the facts when you study them.
But it's a very uncomfortable feeling when you
start to realize that your country is operating
actually as a terrorist state on the rest of
the world. And that's what it's doing in Ukraine,
Russia, but it's what it's doing. You take a
look at Venezuela. topic and Americans immediately
think they know what's going on there, but they
don't know. And I'm telling you that there are
decades of the covert operations and what is
going on all for American hegemony. Just put
aside those reactions as an American. You love
your family. You love your country. But it's
not my country right or wrong. It should be,
I'm with my country when it is right and not
when it is wrong. And that is the only way we're
going to change things. It's not a matter of
left versus, it's a matter of right versus wrong.
And to do that, take study. It takes research.
And I'm telling you everything that I've said
to you, which is based on many years of study,
but it is all supported by the facts, the archives,
and just looking at the history of it. Don't
listen to your leaders and your media, who is
controlled really by the government. back a few
decades now, and what they're telling you is
what they want you to think. But unfortunately,
the United States is the aggressor worldwide.
And I think most Americans really, they just
want peace. They want adequate education, food,
a good life for themselves, a good job. They
just want that is not those in power want for
you. And so don't defend them any longer and
seek out some sources. Go read some of the resources
that I spoke of earlier. It is out there if you
look. Do not believe you're getting the truth
when a US politician, no matter who it is, small
level or large. level is speaking to you. And
do not believe the media spin. Because when I
watch US news, I watch news from quite a few
countries. I like to see how they're all reporting
things. It is so biased in terms of what the
US government wants you to think. So just be
willing to question as a Christian, truth is
my highest priority. As a historian, truth is
my highest priority. Make truth your highest
priority. And if you don't know, don't choose
a side. Don't wave a blue and yellow flag on
your little social media account when you don't
know what the hell you're talking about. Just
abstain and maybe seek out the truth. Because
to align yourself with that which is evil, I
think spiritually that does reflect upon you
and your soul and your relationship to God. And
so if you don't know, withhold judgment, don't
choose sides, but I'm telling you, you can know.
And there's plenty of opportunity for you to
learn these days. So if you're ignorant, you're
willfully ignorant. Change that. Yeah, that's
a great response. Thank you for that. And as
you mentioned, social media reminded me of two
questions that I got from my audience today.
So the first question was, is do you love the
United States? And the second question was why,
if you don't, or if you're like opposed to the
United States, why do you remain here? Why don't
you like move to Russia? And I don't mean that
in any disrespect, I just bring what's in front
of me today. All right, no disrespect taken by
the question. The right questions. Do I love
the United States? I would tell you that I love
all people and none more than others in terms
of love for them as my human brothers and sisters.
I don't want to see Americans suffer, but I think
that they're going to suffer a lot more. I actually
think that those are the spiritual consequences
for the evil that they have supported worldwide.
They have never seemed to care about human life
if it meant there was a benefit to the United
States. I don't love the United States as a governmental
entity. No, the United States to me represents
the biggest terrorist nation in the world. And
it took me a lot of years to to that understanding
and to have to understand that there's no reconciliation
when my beliefs as a Christian and what my government
is doing in my name and with my money. I don't
love the United States government. I do not love
the United States above other countries as if
I want this country to prevail if it means the
exploitation of anyone else. Absolutely not.
But I love the United States. When I talk about
the people that are here, I do want the best
for them. I want them to have the knowledge of
God. I want them to have their families. And
I see that the greatest threat to that is their
actual government that they, ironically, sadly,
actually support and don't ever, and there are
those who do, but it has to change. And I fundamentally
don't believe that there is a political solution
to a spiritual problem. And the United States
has a massive spiritual problem. It is doing
the work of Satan in the world and most Americans
actually align with it. And I'm asking you not
to, even just for your own sake. to know the
truth, as the Bible says, will set you free.
And that will set you free from perhaps the repercussions
that are going to come to the United States and
the suffering. So no, I don't love the United
States as a government or as a political entity.
Only the people, as I love all of them, even
the most evil politicians in this country. I
love them, but I know that I believe God is not
mocked and there's going to be repercussions.
The country I love the most, yes, is Russia.
And you said one of your listeners asked, if
I don't love this country, which I don't in the
way that people usually ask that question. Why
do I remain? I'm only here at this time. Let's
say pragmatically, there are a number of other
good places in the world to live. I, of course,
have my work and my family. However, you said
no offense taken. Why don't I move to Russia?
Actually, myself and my family are oriented and
making our preparations because I believe that
my family is going to have a much better life
both in the immediate and in the future in Russia.
So yes, I'm oriented and actively working toward
that and I've gone quite a ways in that. Yeah.
So no offense taken. It actually brought a smile
to my face because I believe that is both my
spiritual homeland and it is the people that
have a society, I believe. that it more than
any other evinces Christian principles, even
though not everybody's a Christian, of course,
but the way that it is governed is more Christian
than any other. And your audience can do a little
research on that, but your life is much better
there in every way. So no offense taken. It is
actually my orientation that I've done a lot
toward already to be realized. Again, there are
logistics involved that I am currently working
on. So thank you for the question. I'm not offended
at all. And more importantly, I really appreciate
you coming on the show today. We've learned a
ton of information. You're obviously very knowledgeable
in the subject matter and very passionate about
it. It's been really fun talking with you today
and spending some time together. It's been my
pleasure. Your questions were great. Thank you
for having me. I very much appreciated it. Be
well. Christine, it was a pleasure. Thank you.
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