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That's hypernatural. 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:06.980 The views and opinions expressed by the guest 00:01:06.980 --> 00:01:09.879 in this episode are solely their own and do not 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:12.980 necessarily reflect the views, positions or endorsements 00:01:12.980 --> 00:01:16.180 of the host or Zero Signal podcast. Now let's 00:01:16.180 --> 00:01:23.879 get to the show. You're tuned into Zero Signal, 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:26.680 a show about what they won't say and what you're 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:29.799 probably already thinking. No fluff, no filters, 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:39.700 no bullshit. Let's crack it open. Welcome back 00:01:39.700 --> 00:01:41.760 to Zero Signal. I'm your host David, joined as 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.819 always by my brother Jay. Tonight we're stepping 00:01:43.819 --> 00:01:46.159 into a landscape shaped by revolutions, fallen 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:48.500 empires, and the lingering shadow of the Cold 00:01:48.500 --> 00:01:50.780 War that never truly ended. A few people have 00:01:50.780 --> 00:01:53.379 spent more time charting that train than our 00:01:53.379 --> 00:01:55.620 guest tonight. Christine Lin is an historian 00:01:55.620 --> 00:01:58.159 and analyst with over three decades of experience 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:00.599 studying Russia, the former Soviet Union, and 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:02.959 the volatile relationship between Moscow and 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:05.439 Washington. Her work has taken her across radio, 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:07.879 television, and digital platforms, breaking down 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:10.360 conflicts, decoding power structures and reminding 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.860 us that history isn't the past. It's the engine 00:02:12.860 --> 00:02:15.439 that is quietly driving today's conflicts. So 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:17.840 Christine, if we're listeners meeting you for 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:19.969 the first time today, who are you? And what drew 00:02:19.969 --> 00:02:22.389 you into the world of the Russian and Soviet 00:02:22.389 --> 00:02:24.729 history? First of all, thank you, David and Jay. 00:02:24.810 --> 00:02:27.030 It's a pleasure to be here with you. It's a very 00:02:27.030 --> 00:02:29.189 important topic. That's why I appreciate it, 00:02:29.189 --> 00:02:31.889 your invitation to be on the show, because most 00:02:31.889 --> 00:02:34.370 Americans know virtually nothing about the Ukraine 00:02:34.370 --> 00:02:36.729 -Russia conflict. And it is precisely because 00:02:36.729 --> 00:02:39.930 they know nothing about the Soviet Union or Russia 00:02:39.930 --> 00:02:42.669 of today. And they have been subject to years 00:02:42.669 --> 00:02:45.210 of lying propaganda, which has been designed 00:02:45.210 --> 00:02:48.129 to secure their support for the U .S. position, 00:02:48.129 --> 00:02:50.849 for the U .S. military, for the U .S. grift, 00:02:50.909 --> 00:02:53.530 all the money that is being made. As with a lot 00:02:53.530 --> 00:02:56.150 of other conflicts in the world, this is a perfect 00:02:56.150 --> 00:02:59.889 example, a tragic one, of the result of the United 00:02:59.889 --> 00:03:02.930 States' aggression worldwide. I was drawn to 00:03:02.930 --> 00:03:06.250 this in particular as a historian and a researcher 00:03:06.250 --> 00:03:09.930 in my analysis because of my deep appreciation 00:03:09.930 --> 00:03:13.810 for Russia. Russia has made incredible contributions 00:03:13.810 --> 00:03:17.210 to science, advances, its society, its day -to 00:03:17.210 --> 00:03:19.740 -day life. for the civilians is something that 00:03:19.740 --> 00:03:22.699 I have a very deep appreciation for. And as a 00:03:22.699 --> 00:03:26.020 historian studying Russian history, Soviet history, 00:03:26.020 --> 00:03:28.500 and even prior to that has been fascinating. 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:32.539 I've been drawn to it for many years and it actually 00:03:32.539 --> 00:03:34.900 holds a very special connection. That's kind 00:03:34.900 --> 00:03:38.319 of hard to explain to me. I love Russia and the 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:42.080 Soviet Union and this turbulent tumultuous history 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.979 for me has been fascinating. And in it, I find 00:03:44.979 --> 00:03:48.199 a beauty to see what the Russian Federation And 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:51.219 because of that, as a historian, truth is my 00:03:51.219 --> 00:03:53.599 highest priority. And I'd like your audience 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:56.740 to know before we get into this discussion about 00:03:56.740 --> 00:04:00.379 the Ukraine -Russia conflict, that I always rely 00:04:00.379 --> 00:04:03.680 on documented evidence, original sources, whenever 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:07.199 possible. For me, I have spent countless hours 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:10.520 looking at declassified CIA materials, State 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.520 Department documents. I rely a lot on Freedom 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.740 of Information Act releases, policy papers. like 00:04:16.740 --> 00:04:19.399 from the Rand Corporation. And I've done this 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:24.079 for decades in terms of US NATO aggression worldwide. 00:04:24.180 --> 00:04:27.399 And of course, due to my particular expertise 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:29.860 in Russia and the Soviet Union, at this time, 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.720 there's no more important topic I can address 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:35.939 when I'm talking to the American public, because 00:04:35.939 --> 00:04:39.139 the US has a history of covert operations. That's 00:04:39.139 --> 00:04:41.819 inside of Ukraine. Americans know nothing about 00:04:41.819 --> 00:04:45.060 that. A consistent pattern of disinformation 00:04:45.060 --> 00:04:47.569 to us. Americans, and the West in general has 00:04:47.569 --> 00:04:50.649 done this, there's a long -term strategy of the 00:04:50.649 --> 00:04:53.610 United States aimed at achieving the strategic 00:04:53.610 --> 00:04:56.050 defeat of Russia. And these operations go back 00:04:56.050 --> 00:04:59.189 for decades. And the narrative most Americans 00:04:59.189 --> 00:05:02.170 believe about this is the complete opposite of 00:05:02.170 --> 00:05:05.490 the historical truth about Soviet -American relations 00:05:05.490 --> 00:05:08.490 and certainly Ukraine -Russian conflict. We're 00:05:08.490 --> 00:05:10.689 talking about something where billions of US 00:05:10.689 --> 00:05:13.930 taxpayer dollars are funding regime change, proxy 00:05:13.930 --> 00:05:17.209 wars. political intervention worldwide. And this 00:05:17.209 --> 00:05:19.769 one really touches my heart. And I'm going to 00:05:19.769 --> 00:05:22.310 share with you the facts, not the Western lying 00:05:22.310 --> 00:05:25.230 propaganda that's intended and has successfully 00:05:25.230 --> 00:05:28.089 deceived most of my fellow Americans. So I just 00:05:28.089 --> 00:05:30.209 thank you for having me. And I just want you 00:05:30.209 --> 00:05:32.709 to ask me anything in our discussion. We're really 00:05:32.709 --> 00:05:34.290 excited to have you on the show. I know this 00:05:34.290 --> 00:05:36.889 is a controversial topic, but I also think it's 00:05:36.889 --> 00:05:39.129 a very important topic. As we talk about a lot 00:05:39.129 --> 00:05:41.189 of topics on our show, a lot of the times you 00:05:41.189 --> 00:05:42.850 find the truth somewhere in the middle, like 00:05:42.850 --> 00:05:44.379 the media, the government. It's not always going 00:05:44.379 --> 00:05:46.040 to give you all the facts. And if you listen 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:47.680 to the media, you might as well just jump on 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:49.040 the first bus out of here because they're going 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.120 to be lying to you. It's so important to get 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:53.939 at the heart of it. I think a lot of people almost 00:05:53.939 --> 00:05:56.959 view like at one point in time, Russia was an 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.699 ally of the United States and now there is some 00:05:59.699 --> 00:06:03.079 type of competition that exists. Has that relationship 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:06.040 always been controversial or has it really soured 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.459 post that Ukraine conflict? Oh no, the roots 00:06:09.459 --> 00:06:12.319 of the distrust between the United States and 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.600 I would include Britain, the UK and Russia and 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:18.660 the Soviet Union. It certainly didn't begin at 00:06:18.660 --> 00:06:22.319 all in 2022 when Putin began the military operation. 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:25.120 It didn't even as some of your, I would assume 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.079 many of our audience is aware of the coup that 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:31.360 was Western coup, United States coup in 2014. 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:33.939 It didn't even begin there and we will get into 00:06:33.939 --> 00:06:37.079 those during our discussion, but absolutely not. 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:40.079 I'd have to say that the roots of the distrust 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:43.279 between the two nations goes back many decades. 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.740 In fact, even during World War II, for example, 00:06:47.019 --> 00:06:50.399 was contemplating and drawing up actual military 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.319 plans and discussing it with the United States 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:56.660 to launch an attack on the Soviet Union. These 00:06:56.660 --> 00:06:59.399 discussions were going on even before World War 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:03.800 II had ended. And these US and UK military plans 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:07.000 was referred to as Operation Unthinkable. Churchill 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:10.259 even proposed the idea of dropping atomic weapons, 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:12.490 which of course were not in existence. with the 00:07:12.490 --> 00:07:15.250 U .S., but he would have liked to see them dropped 00:07:15.250 --> 00:07:18.889 upon Soviet cities, key cities. I would also 00:07:18.889 --> 00:07:22.610 say during that discussion, it was proposed that 00:07:22.610 --> 00:07:26.170 the Germans, to capture Germans and Nazi soldiers, 00:07:26.350 --> 00:07:29.769 including the SS, particularly notorious for 00:07:29.769 --> 00:07:32.850 their designated evil that they did during the 00:07:32.850 --> 00:07:35.009 Great Patriotic War, World War II, that they 00:07:35.009 --> 00:07:38.350 be armed and trained for an invasion immediately 00:07:38.350 --> 00:07:41.670 following World War II so that the The other 00:07:41.670 --> 00:07:44.769 allies would invade the Soviet Union, get them 00:07:44.769 --> 00:07:47.629 out of Poland. When you think about the distrust, 00:07:47.850 --> 00:07:50.410 the Russians have no reason to trust the United 00:07:50.410 --> 00:07:53.490 States at all. Churchill even spoke soon after 00:07:53.490 --> 00:07:57.050 the war, 1946, here in the United States, Missouri. 00:07:57.290 --> 00:07:59.490 Probably both of you are aware of it. It came 00:07:59.490 --> 00:08:02.170 to be known as the Iron Curtain speech. And that 00:08:02.170 --> 00:08:05.449 is when this, I would say, officially and publicly 00:08:05.449 --> 00:08:08.910 was announced to the American people, when Churchill 00:08:08.910 --> 00:08:12.259 actually said, that an iron curtain has descended 00:08:12.259 --> 00:08:15.019 across the continent in Europe. And that was 00:08:15.019 --> 00:08:17.839 really the start of the, quote, Cold War. It 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.220 was started, and Truman, remember, was sitting 00:08:20.220 --> 00:08:23.279 right next to him, obviously in sync with what 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:26.259 he was saying. So this distrust goes back a long 00:08:26.259 --> 00:08:28.540 ways, even before World War II, and I won't get 00:08:28.540 --> 00:08:31.660 into even further history, but even during the 00:08:31.660 --> 00:08:34.500 Russian Civil War, the United States was involved 00:08:34.500 --> 00:08:37.360 by sending some, and we did have Americans die 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:39.440 in that, fighting on the sides of what was. called 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:42.019 the whites fighting the Bolsheviks, and they 00:08:42.019 --> 00:08:45.200 brought in military and weaponry and ammunition. 00:08:45.299 --> 00:08:48.279 They have a very long history because, as I go 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:50.740 back to my initial comment to you, the United 00:08:50.740 --> 00:08:53.340 States has always wanted the strategic defeat, 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:57.000 be it the Soviet Union or be it Russia. And Russia 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.419 took note of it immediately, even during World 00:08:59.419 --> 00:09:02.299 War II. They knew we were not actually allied 00:09:02.299 --> 00:09:05.100 countries. None of these countries believed that. 00:09:05.179 --> 00:09:07.799 The Cold War narrative is just false, and it 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:09.980 is something that The United States was given 00:09:09.980 --> 00:09:13.220 to view the Soviet Union and later Russia as 00:09:13.220 --> 00:09:17.139 the enemy. The CIA itself was formed with a direct 00:09:17.139 --> 00:09:21.919 imperative to oppose the USSR. So no, there is 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.159 nothing new about this and there is absolutely 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:27.679 nothing new about the conflict in Ukraine either, 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:31.919 because the CIA has been operational in Ukraine 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:34.960 for decades. There are a lot of key events that 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.500 add to that, but they were dropping, they were 00:09:37.500 --> 00:09:41.090 trained. former Nazis soldiers in the US and 00:09:41.090 --> 00:09:43.389 bringing them back afterwards and parachuting 00:09:43.389 --> 00:09:46.169 them into Ukraine decades ago. Most of them, 00:09:46.190 --> 00:09:48.830 of course, were quickly found and executed. But 00:09:48.830 --> 00:09:52.090 I'm saying the Russians have been aware of the 00:09:52.090 --> 00:09:55.529 US plans against them. They have absolutely no 00:09:55.529 --> 00:09:58.710 illusions that the United States wants their 00:09:58.710 --> 00:10:01.690 strategic defeat. So nothing new here, but Ukraine 00:10:01.690 --> 00:10:04.490 is a key to it. And the United States has just 00:10:04.490 --> 00:10:07.789 been waiting for the time to be able They thought 00:10:07.789 --> 00:10:11.129 to weaken Russia and ultimately overtake Russia 00:10:11.129 --> 00:10:14.250 and divide it. These plans are well documented. 00:10:14.409 --> 00:10:16.750 I've read the documents where they actually discuss 00:10:16.750 --> 00:10:18.889 these things. While they're saying they want 00:10:18.889 --> 00:10:22.389 peace and cooperation, just like with Gorbachev, 00:10:22.590 --> 00:10:25.169 I think back to what, you know, and we're talking 00:10:25.169 --> 00:10:27.789 about Ukraine in a moment, the NATO expansion. 00:10:28.169 --> 00:10:30.529 The Soviet Union was promised that there would 00:10:30.529 --> 00:10:34.370 be none. The Soviet Union was promised in terms 00:10:34.370 --> 00:10:36.549 of Germany. In fact, the Soviet Union did not 00:10:36.549 --> 00:10:39.409 even want Germany to be divided East and West. 00:10:39.990 --> 00:10:43.250 Stalin actually spoke about it is wrong to divide 00:10:43.250 --> 00:10:46.169 a country and a people. There's no reason for 00:10:46.169 --> 00:10:48.889 that. But the United States knew at that time, 00:10:48.990 --> 00:10:51.549 along with the UK and France, that they wanted 00:10:51.549 --> 00:10:53.990 to use that as a springboard, as they later did 00:10:53.990 --> 00:10:57.210 in West Germany for military bases. No, they're 00:10:57.210 --> 00:11:00.610 so much distrust. And it really comes from the 00:11:00.610 --> 00:11:03.750 United States plotting against the Soviet Union 00:11:03.750 --> 00:11:07.230 and now Russia. Yeah, I think of Russia and you'll 00:11:07.230 --> 00:11:09.269 correct me if I'm wrong. But in my mind, there's 00:11:09.269 --> 00:11:12.490 like pre -Soviet Union, post -Soviet Union. And 00:11:12.490 --> 00:11:15.309 I think it all starts with Tsar Nicholas II when 00:11:15.309 --> 00:11:18.350 he got overthrown. Do you think that was a coup 00:11:18.350 --> 00:11:22.090 from the West or do you think that happened naturally 00:11:22.090 --> 00:11:24.629 within the country? No, I don't think the United 00:11:24.629 --> 00:11:28.419 States had any interest in the Tsar being overthrown, 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.299 I would say that this came, the roots of this 00:11:31.299 --> 00:11:35.080 emanated primarily in the people. Under the Tsar, 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:39.159 very sadly, it was something like 80%, 90%, somewhere 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:42.600 between 80 to 90 % of the peasantry were living 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:46.720 in dire poverty. Only the elites were living 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.700 relatively well with basic provisions for one's 00:11:50.700 --> 00:11:54.299 life. There was a lot of anger in regards to 00:11:54.299 --> 00:11:58.039 the Tsar. There was also in terms of the management 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.159 and mismanagement and the choice of conflicts, 00:12:01.460 --> 00:12:04.899 military conflicts, and that the Tsar had engaged 00:12:04.899 --> 00:12:07.440 the country in that many people were unhappy 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:10.120 with and felt unnecessary. So there was a lot 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.019 of suffering. Thus when the Bolsheviks, and remember 00:12:13.019 --> 00:12:16.419 the Bolsheviks came after the provisional government 00:12:16.419 --> 00:12:19.820 and thereby a few months later when we, the Bolsheviks 00:12:19.820 --> 00:12:22.740 saw that there was really a void there once the 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:26.279 Tsar was no longer in power. Then the Bolsheviks 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:29.460 decided that this was the time to act and bring 00:12:29.460 --> 00:12:32.519 their government and their idea of a better government. 00:12:32.580 --> 00:12:36.139 In terms of the West involvement, the West involvement, 00:12:36.139 --> 00:12:39.500 I would say came into it once the Bolsheviks 00:12:39.500 --> 00:12:42.820 had acquired the power and the governance. They 00:12:42.820 --> 00:12:45.220 definitely tried in working in the Civil War 00:12:45.220 --> 00:12:47.600 and with the whites against them, but they were 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.419 unsuccessful. They had several hundred Americans 00:12:50.419 --> 00:12:54.240 die and only then, but that amounted to nothing. 00:12:54.409 --> 00:12:56.809 of course, the Bolsheviks, I think for the most 00:12:56.809 --> 00:13:00.129 part had much support from the people because 00:13:00.129 --> 00:13:01.950 the people were suffering. Whenever you take 00:13:01.950 --> 00:13:05.049 a look at somebody, a power change like this 00:13:05.049 --> 00:13:07.009 happening, there's going to be both good and 00:13:07.009 --> 00:13:10.549 evil occur. But in terms of the ultimate governance 00:13:10.549 --> 00:13:13.929 of the Soviet Union, it increased tremendously 00:13:13.929 --> 00:13:16.629 for the people in the Soviet Union. Literacy 00:13:16.629 --> 00:13:20.049 went from practically nothing to the most literate 00:13:20.049 --> 00:13:22.850 country, upwards of 90 % literacy. It started 00:13:22.850 --> 00:13:26.029 out, I think, at 20 to 30 % became the most literate 00:13:26.029 --> 00:13:28.870 country because Linen really focused upon literacy, 00:13:29.330 --> 00:13:32.289 education, libraries. These are things most Americans 00:13:32.289 --> 00:13:35.409 aren't aware of. Food production, agriculture, 00:13:35.610 --> 00:13:38.769 all of those things actually improved for the 00:13:38.769 --> 00:13:41.870 lives of the day -to -day average person. It 00:13:41.870 --> 00:13:44.690 was not viewed, and if you listen to even in 00:13:44.690 --> 00:13:47.929 later years, in the 30s, the 40s, and after World 00:13:47.929 --> 00:13:50.990 War II and the 50s and the 60s, and those who 00:13:50.990 --> 00:13:53.779 experienced that, if you spoke with them. Many 00:13:53.779 --> 00:13:56.440 are deceased now, but if you had the chance to 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:58.879 speak with them or listen to their interviews, 00:13:59.179 --> 00:14:02.220 many Soviet citizens and thereafter Russians 00:14:02.220 --> 00:14:05.679 look back on the Soviet Union with fondness or 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.000 at least with the appreciation that it did save 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.860 the country. Frankly, I believe that if the Bolsheviks 00:14:11.860 --> 00:14:15.480 had not come to power in the Soviet Union, creating 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:17.860 the Soviet Union, it would have been too weak 00:14:17.860 --> 00:14:21.639 a country to withstand what we now later see 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:23.580 the onslaught slot when they had to fight the 00:14:23.580 --> 00:14:26.779 German fascists, the country became much stronger 00:14:26.779 --> 00:14:30.360 after they took power militarily, economically, 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:32.919 and socially. So I want to ask a quick question 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:34.580 and then I want to get to the special military 00:14:34.580 --> 00:14:36.220 operation that's occurring today because I think 00:14:36.220 --> 00:14:38.059 that's a matter that's close to a lot of our 00:14:38.059 --> 00:14:40.240 listeners' hearts. But if you were to break it 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:42.820 down in layman's term, perhaps somebody that 00:14:42.820 --> 00:14:45.779 doesn't know a lot about Russia and the United 00:14:45.779 --> 00:14:48.059 States relations between the two countries, what 00:14:48.059 --> 00:14:51.059 would you say is the big baseline for the animosity? 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:54.159 distrust or hate between the two countries. What 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.500 does it ultimately come down to? It comes down 00:14:56.500 --> 00:14:59.879 to the United States has never relinquished its 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:02.840 goal that the Russian government is fully aware 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:05.700 of their strategic defeat. And that I would have 00:15:05.700 --> 00:15:09.740 to tell you that every treaty, every agreement, 00:15:10.019 --> 00:15:13.600 every assurance that the United States has ever 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.519 made to the, whether it was the Soviets or the 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.379 Russian Federation thereafter has been broken. 00:15:19.700 --> 00:15:22.809 It is not the other way around. Everything that 00:15:22.809 --> 00:15:26.190 I have seen the Russian Federation do in reference 00:15:26.190 --> 00:15:29.230 to the United States actually comes after much 00:15:29.230 --> 00:15:32.629 restraint. And then seeing that this other country, 00:15:32.789 --> 00:15:35.110 instead of wanting corporation, because there 00:15:35.110 --> 00:15:37.429 has been good corporation in the past between 00:15:37.429 --> 00:15:40.110 the countries, and there should be for humanity's 00:15:40.110 --> 00:15:43.210 sake, for exploration, there's so much that they 00:15:43.210 --> 00:15:46.549 can learn from together. And the Russians have 00:15:46.549 --> 00:15:49.929 continuously done that and shared much simultaneously. 00:15:49.710 --> 00:15:52.350 continuously while the US has been plotting against 00:15:52.350 --> 00:15:55.129 them. With Ukraine, our subject today, being 00:15:55.129 --> 00:15:58.129 one of the primary areas that this aggression, 00:15:58.289 --> 00:16:01.029 I would say fundamentally it is due to the United 00:16:01.029 --> 00:16:04.850 States' hostility, covert and overt operations 00:16:04.850 --> 00:16:07.710 against the Russians. And that has never stopped, 00:16:07.730 --> 00:16:09.789 sadly. Yeah. Thank you for that. That's a great 00:16:09.789 --> 00:16:12.830 explanation. So how about we move along to Russia's 00:16:12.830 --> 00:16:15.909 special military operation? Obviously Russia 00:16:15.909 --> 00:16:18.289 states it was because of, I think initially it 00:16:18.289 --> 00:16:21.299 was because of in Ukraine. But what ultimately 00:16:21.299 --> 00:16:23.740 started this war and why does it continue today? 00:16:23.820 --> 00:16:26.179 Has Russia achieved this objective? They will. 00:16:26.340 --> 00:16:28.399 There's no doubt of that. Even from the very 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:31.720 start, the very 22nd, 2022, when I listened to 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:34.960 Putin's speech and I have followed Putin's presidency 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:37.840 since its inception. I listen to the Duma, their 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.919 discussions, their laws. I read Russian newspapers 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:43.740 almost daily, Russian television. I really keep 00:16:43.740 --> 00:16:46.440 a pulse on what is going on there. But before 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:48.700 I can answer that question, I need to address 00:16:48.700 --> 00:16:51.440 something in your question. You had said that 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.440 they had identified it as like a primary reason, 00:16:54.539 --> 00:16:57.039 and excuse me if I'm misquoting you, but you 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:59.659 made reference as if that was one of the primary. 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:02.360 You mentioned Nazis in Ukraine. And since you 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:04.339 said that, I'm gonna address it before I answer 00:17:04.339 --> 00:17:07.839 your full question there. That is not one of 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.920 the primary initial reasons. I would say it was 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:14.240 one of several, and it absolutely is true. I 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:18.529 have studied these neo -Nazi fascist right sector 00:17:18.529 --> 00:17:21.890 groups that have been operating in Ukraine for 00:17:21.890 --> 00:17:25.829 decades. And again, the U .S. has covertly, the 00:17:25.829 --> 00:17:30.309 CIA has been supporting them in Western Ukraine 00:17:30.309 --> 00:17:33.589 for many years. At the time of the disillusionment 00:17:33.589 --> 00:17:36.750 of the collapse of the Soviet Union, at that 00:17:36.750 --> 00:17:39.809 time, there were even votes across Ukraine and 00:17:39.809 --> 00:17:42.809 the other regions. And the vast majority, I forget 00:17:42.809 --> 00:17:45.450 the actual number, but it was enormous number, 00:17:45.609 --> 00:17:49.150 had voted to remain with Russia, with a new Russia. 00:17:49.210 --> 00:17:52.450 And I think it was overwhelming, 70, 80%. But 00:17:52.450 --> 00:17:56.309 in Western Ukraine, because of that, the fascist 00:17:56.309 --> 00:17:59.650 element there that was completely supported after 00:17:59.650 --> 00:18:02.410 World War II, the U .S. took them, trained them, 00:18:02.410 --> 00:18:05.029 and returned them to Ukraine. That is where all 00:18:05.029 --> 00:18:07.690 of these elements come from. It is a fact that 00:18:07.690 --> 00:18:10.190 there are, whether you refer to them as neo -Nazis, 00:18:10.190 --> 00:18:13.130 they certainly are covered in all of the Nazi 00:18:13.130 --> 00:18:16.150 symbols on their bodies. When they are taken 00:18:16.150 --> 00:18:18.569 as prisoners of war, if they're stripped of their 00:18:18.569 --> 00:18:21.769 shirts, their bodies are covered with Nazi symbolism. 00:18:21.910 --> 00:18:25.450 Even recently, they honor one of the Ukrainian 00:18:25.450 --> 00:18:29.250 banderites, Stepan Bandera, we call them banderites, 00:18:29.470 --> 00:18:32.829 with streets all through Ukraine are named after 00:18:32.829 --> 00:18:36.569 this Nazi who we know committed many atrocities 00:18:36.569 --> 00:18:39.190 during the war. So that element is definitely 00:18:39.190 --> 00:18:42.029 in Western Ukraine. I just wanted to digress 00:18:42.029 --> 00:18:43.809 for a moment since you had mentioned it, but 00:18:43.809 --> 00:18:46.619 it was only one. of the reasons for this special 00:18:46.619 --> 00:18:48.700 military operation. First of all, I'm going to 00:18:48.700 --> 00:18:51.279 tell you in terms of what my personal opinion 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.519 of when Russia launched the special military 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:56.640 operation, I was so relieved. As a historian, 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.140 I was acutely aware of since the coup had occurred, 00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:03.759 that again was USA Western -backed coup in 2014 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.440 overthrowing the democratically elected. And 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:08.920 when I say democratically elected, that election 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.059 was actually overseen by international judges 00:19:12.059 --> 00:19:15.140 or evaluators at the time, proven. to be well, 00:19:15.259 --> 00:19:18.180 but the United States did want it to be overthrown 00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:21.660 and put in someone to their liking and they accomplished 00:19:21.660 --> 00:19:24.819 that. But when I heard about this, I was so relieved 00:19:24.819 --> 00:19:27.559 because to me, the special military operation 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.500 is the righteous action that Russia needed to 00:19:30.500 --> 00:19:33.160 take. If anything, and even the president of 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:36.380 Russia has said this to some degree, it may have 00:19:36.380 --> 00:19:38.880 been, it could have been done sooner. And the 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.400 reason why Russians look at it that way and I 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:43.500 as a historian look at it that way is because 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:46.059 Because I was very much aware that since that 00:19:46.059 --> 00:19:49.900 coup between 2014 and 2022, when the SMO began, 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:54.059 over 14 ,000 people, civilians, had been killed, 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:56.740 had been murdered by the Ukrainian regime. And 00:19:56.740 --> 00:19:59.259 these are in the areas that people here discussed, 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.079 okay? When we're talking about Ukraine, the regions 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:04.720 that have ascended into Russia, voted by referendum, 00:20:04.940 --> 00:20:08.180 the Nets, Luhansk, Roshan, these areas were in 00:20:08.180 --> 00:20:11.599 Ukraine. But remember, Ukraine was a very small 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:15.769 region. And it was really because of the gifts, 00:20:15.769 --> 00:20:19.250 we'll say, of linen and later of khrushchev making 00:20:19.250 --> 00:20:21.849 this into the second largest country next to 00:20:21.849 --> 00:20:24.829 Russia in Europe. So these were originally all 00:20:24.829 --> 00:20:27.289 part of the Russian speakers, ethnic Russians 00:20:27.289 --> 00:20:30.869 that bureaucratically became a part of Ukraine 00:20:30.869 --> 00:20:34.769 during the Soviet times. But these areas in Ukraine, 00:20:35.170 --> 00:20:37.759 Ukrainian citizens then... They speak Russian. 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:40.200 They're ethnically Russian. They have religious 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:42.900 traditions that are Russian. But after that coup 00:20:42.900 --> 00:20:45.079 is exactly when, if you want to talk about the 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.700 military conflict, began. And that is because 00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:51.960 the people in these places rejected the persecution 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:54.839 that they immediately began receiving. They rejected 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:57.220 this fake government installed by the United 00:20:57.220 --> 00:21:00.420 States. And because of that, they were systematically 00:21:00.420 --> 00:21:03.960 murdered. They were raped. And this is all verifiable. 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:06.269 They were tortured. There were so many... acts 00:21:06.269 --> 00:21:09.029 of terrorism on the civilian populations. And 00:21:09.029 --> 00:21:12.109 like I said, it ended up militarily with the 00:21:12.109 --> 00:21:14.730 bombing, the shelling, constant shelling of civilians 00:21:14.730 --> 00:21:18.150 that over 14 ,000 were dead. And these people 00:21:18.150 --> 00:21:20.609 had installed the puppet government. The West 00:21:20.609 --> 00:21:23.029 was being rejected by the people in Crimea and 00:21:23.029 --> 00:21:25.269 by the people in these regions because they were 00:21:25.269 --> 00:21:27.690 being persecuted, not allowed to speak Russian. 00:21:27.890 --> 00:21:29.990 The majority in Ukraine speak Russian. They speak 00:21:29.990 --> 00:21:32.490 it better than they do Ukrainian, okay? They 00:21:32.490 --> 00:21:34.849 were being persecuted for their religion. So 00:21:34.849 --> 00:21:38.400 they They revolted against this and thus the 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.759 military actions began. They were asking Russia 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:44.819 to intervene for that entire eight years. And 00:21:44.819 --> 00:21:47.559 that is the sad thing that, you know, until Russia 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.420 made the decision to intervene to protect these 00:21:50.420 --> 00:21:53.480 Russian speakers, Ukrainian civilians being murdered 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:56.660 by their own government simply because they are 00:21:56.660 --> 00:21:59.460 Russian and identify with who they are and their 00:21:59.460 --> 00:22:02.460 ethnicity. Number two, of course, which we briefly 00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:06.200 touched upon earlier is the encroachment of NATO. 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:07.799 Now, it goes back to when you were talking about 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.420 the distrust. Many years, Putin, I remember back, 00:22:11.420 --> 00:22:15.099 I watched it in 2007, called the Munich Conference, 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:19.220 where he employed the Western countries to come 00:22:19.220 --> 00:22:22.660 down to sensible relationship with Russia because 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:25.380 he had been trying repeatedly, believing the 00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:27.180 things that they were saying and then finding 00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:29.579 out that they would betray that. I would have 00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:32.460 to say that it finally came to a point where 00:22:32.460 --> 00:22:35.099 Putin and the Russian government realized the 00:22:35.099 --> 00:22:37.779 NATO encroachment. And when we talk about that, 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.640 we're talking about all the countries previously, 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:43.740 parts of regions of the Soviet Union. Immediately, 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.319 the United States just came into there. After 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:49.480 the coup, in fact, the CIA went straight into 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:51.720 the Ukraine's SBU. That's their intelligence 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:54.480 services. That was immediately, within weeks, 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.400 they actually set up an office, all right? Nothing 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.259 covert at that time, except most Americans didn't 00:23:00.259 --> 00:23:03.410 know. They physically stationed in Kiev. Okay. 00:23:03.430 --> 00:23:06.009 And what did they do? They directed the intelligence 00:23:06.009 --> 00:23:08.630 operations as they are doing now. They conducted 00:23:08.630 --> 00:23:12.109 joint missions. Now this, the whole Ukraine security 00:23:12.109 --> 00:23:14.829 services were essentially rebuilt under American 00:23:14.829 --> 00:23:17.509 supervision. So this has been a U .S. managed 00:23:17.509 --> 00:23:21.029 structure, CIA embedded. That is certainly one 00:23:21.029 --> 00:23:23.710 of the primary we're seeing. Russia wasn't going 00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:27.190 to allow the United States to have Ukraine join 00:23:27.190 --> 00:23:30.289 NATO and put missiles that could destroy Moscow 00:23:30.289 --> 00:23:32.569 within five minutes of its borders. And again, 00:23:32.630 --> 00:23:35.170 all of these things had been promised to Russia, 00:23:35.390 --> 00:23:38.049 Soviet Union in years past that none of this 00:23:38.049 --> 00:23:40.630 would be happening. But I think that Putin and 00:23:40.630 --> 00:23:43.569 the government saw that after years of the United 00:23:43.569 --> 00:23:46.029 States encroachment and the breaking of all their 00:23:46.029 --> 00:23:48.910 promises, they had to do something. And also 00:23:48.910 --> 00:23:52.210 I have to throw this in, there were so many attempts 00:23:52.210 --> 00:23:55.970 by Putin's government to avoid what we see happening 00:23:55.970 --> 00:23:59.029 now. And that is where the agreements, Mint 1 00:23:59.029 --> 00:24:01.369 and Mint 2, these were agreements took place. 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:05.019 Belarus, the first one in 2014, brought together 00:24:05.019 --> 00:24:07.920 Russia and the Ukrainian government, such as 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.440 it was, and the leaders of these particular regions 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.079 to just have a ceasefire, all right? Of course, 00:24:14.180 --> 00:24:16.980 I'm just telling you what sadly happens is the 00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:19.339 Ukrainians did not respect that. Minsk, too, 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:23.019 though, was where we saw Angela Merkel and Holland 00:24:23.019 --> 00:24:25.920 of France come together and say that they would 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:29.000 guarantee this peace agreement between Ukraine 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.079 and Russia and there would be a ceasefire. and 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.539 that these regions would be respected, still 00:24:33.539 --> 00:24:36.759 part of Ukraine, but the attacks, the persecution, 00:24:36.980 --> 00:24:39.779 the destruction of their cities would cease and 00:24:39.779 --> 00:24:42.079 they would be able to speak Russian again and 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:44.279 attend their churches of choice. They would be 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.759 respected. That was Minsk too. But as we all 00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:50.240 know, it was all a lie. And Angela Merkel has 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:53.420 admitted it. Holland has admitted it. The Ukrainian 00:24:53.420 --> 00:24:56.319 president at the time, Western installed, has 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.259 admitted it that they only made Minsk too to 00:24:59.259 --> 00:25:01.160 dupe Russia. Russia into thinking that there 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:03.019 was going to be peace so that they would have 00:25:03.019 --> 00:25:06.819 even more time to arm Ukraine. Okay, so the time 00:25:06.819 --> 00:25:09.160 came for Russia to do something about it. It 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.920 is an existential threat for Ukraine to join 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.140 NATO. It is also a threat to allow these weapons 00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:17.799 that are there now, as we see almost nightly, 00:25:17.900 --> 00:25:20.200 attacks on civilians. And we'll get into that 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:22.500 later. But almost nightly right now in Russia, 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.339 there are hundreds of drones sent in by Ukraine, 00:25:25.420 --> 00:25:28.779 not on military targets, but on residential apartment 00:25:28.779 --> 00:25:30.730 buildings. buildings. That's what the people 00:25:30.730 --> 00:25:33.250 of the Donbass suffered. And it was time for 00:25:33.250 --> 00:25:35.490 the Russian Federation to do something for its 00:25:35.490 --> 00:25:38.049 own country and protecting it from the encroachment 00:25:38.049 --> 00:25:41.150 of NATO and to protect those Russians who just 00:25:41.150 --> 00:25:43.210 bureaucratically were a part of Ukraine. Yeah. 00:25:43.210 --> 00:25:46.029 So I don't mean to digress too much, but I love 00:25:46.029 --> 00:25:48.650 history. Obviously you were doing a masterclass 00:25:48.650 --> 00:25:51.390 in history as we speak here. Sometimes I struggle 00:25:51.390 --> 00:25:53.690 because I think of the Soviet Union and what 00:25:53.690 --> 00:25:56.109 we learned or what I learned was that the Soviet 00:25:56.109 --> 00:25:59.289 Union was obviously communist. anti -religion 00:25:59.289 --> 00:26:02.150 grew up learning that Lenin was an atheist and 00:26:02.150 --> 00:26:04.450 religion wasn't really allowed. And the whole 00:26:04.450 --> 00:26:06.509 communist thing doesn't work. I think we've seen 00:26:06.509 --> 00:26:09.269 it happen enough in this world to see that it's 00:26:09.269 --> 00:26:11.849 not a good system. How do you reconcile the Soviet 00:26:11.849 --> 00:26:15.109 block in communism in its fall? Because it seems 00:26:15.109 --> 00:26:18.150 like it didn't work in how it's influencing Russia 00:26:18.150 --> 00:26:20.849 today. Okay, great question. Thank you. First 00:26:20.849 --> 00:26:23.529 of all, yes, Lenin was an atheist, but he was 00:26:23.529 --> 00:26:26.029 not anti -religion. There were many Bolsheviks 00:26:26.029 --> 00:26:28.319 in the revolution in the government. who were 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.319 anti -religion, and there were churches destroyed, 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.160 there was persecution of Orthodox Christians. 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:36.640 But at the highest levels, no, and as the government 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.240 formed, he was personally an atheist, but he 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:42.380 actually had an appreciation for Christian principles. 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:45.319 Many of the top Bolsheviks that I have studied 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.299 in their writings and their books actually appreciated 00:26:48.299 --> 00:26:50.759 Christian principles. So I would tell you, and 00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:53.000 it would be a show in itself, it's fascinating, 00:26:53.180 --> 00:26:56.000 that some of them, of course, it was not outwardly 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.160 at all. accept it. But many of them actually 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.680 were Orthodox Christians. But that, of course, 00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:05.279 was not a governmental decision. But a lot of 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.500 the principles that they based it upon, when 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:09.680 I've read the collected works of Stalin, I've 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.539 read Lenin, to get an understanding of actually 00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:14.779 what they were basing this government upon. And 00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:17.099 did they actually base it on it? And did it have 00:27:17.099 --> 00:27:19.940 good repercussions? And actually, unlike what 00:27:19.940 --> 00:27:23.599 you had just shared, it had amazing achievements 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.920 in the society. Now address that religious aspect 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:29.240 in a moment that you asked about. First of all, 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.339 I would say that the definition that Americans 00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:35.440 think of as communism is very skewed. And as 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:38.480 a historian, it's not the actual definition of 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.220 communism when we're talking about the Soviet 00:27:40.220 --> 00:27:42.779 Union. Communism has never been achieved. When 00:27:42.779 --> 00:27:45.299 you read what Marx wrote about, it's a theory. 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.779 It's an idea. It's like an ideal that they felt 00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:51.779 would be good for people. But it was never achieved. 00:27:51.819 --> 00:27:54.059 They had the Communist Party, but there was never 00:27:54.059 --> 00:27:56.869 communism. historically speaking. What there 00:27:56.869 --> 00:27:59.769 was in the Bolsheviks established was a socialist 00:27:59.769 --> 00:28:02.170 government. They would like that to one day lead 00:28:02.170 --> 00:28:04.609 to communism where there's no classes and no 00:28:04.609 --> 00:28:07.029 division and people had adequate provision. That's 00:28:07.029 --> 00:28:08.869 what they discussed. That's what they wrote about. 00:28:08.950 --> 00:28:11.990 But the socialist government that Lenin and was 00:28:11.990 --> 00:28:15.089 carried on by Stalin during those times actually 00:28:15.089 --> 00:28:18.190 worked quite well. As I said, the literacy was 00:28:18.190 --> 00:28:20.789 amazing. The literacy rate for people who had 00:28:20.789 --> 00:28:23.390 never would have had an opportunity to Lenin, 00:28:23.390 --> 00:28:25.569 it was very important. that people's education. 00:28:25.930 --> 00:28:28.130 They had traveling libraries and brought books 00:28:28.130 --> 00:28:30.730 and teachers for that the common person who would 00:28:30.730 --> 00:28:33.109 never have had a chance to be reading. And they 00:28:33.109 --> 00:28:35.430 would get the classics from all over the world, 00:28:35.630 --> 00:28:37.829 including the United States, for people to be 00:28:37.829 --> 00:28:41.349 able to read. The education system, the opportunities 00:28:41.349 --> 00:28:44.630 for people just exploded. It was finally people 00:28:44.630 --> 00:28:47.130 were able to choose and have that education. 00:28:47.170 --> 00:28:49.910 I would remind you that even prior to World War 00:28:49.910 --> 00:28:53.410 II and why the Soviet Union was so prepared was 00:28:53.410 --> 00:28:55.380 because because they also focused upon science, 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.700 rockets, exceptional development in rocketry. 00:28:58.819 --> 00:29:01.259 And this was because the people actually at that 00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:03.480 time, like I said, if you go back and you read 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:05.900 some of the memoirs of just people, everyday 00:29:05.900 --> 00:29:10.380 people, the lives improved. Socialism in Lenin's 00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:13.440 and Stalin's Soviet Union actually worked, and 00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.359 it worked tremendously well. And at the time, 00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.480 per to our conversation today, other countries 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.380 around the world were paying attention to it 00:29:22.380 --> 00:29:25.000 as a model because they were amazed that people 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.400 could go from barely making it and not. The death 00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:31.019 rate, the birth rate was so low, the disease, 00:29:31.099 --> 00:29:33.900 and to see all of this eliminated and these people 00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:37.000 who previously suffered so much actually living 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.099 lives and in many of the ways that we would measure 00:29:40.099 --> 00:29:44.299 a society. In Stalin's Soviet Union, I was amazed 00:29:44.299 --> 00:29:48.799 to find that the existence actually excelled 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.960 in a number of measurable ways that of America. 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:54.940 at the time. So it is one of those dark myths, 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.440 I would say, that really worked well for the 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.220 United States government to make Americans feel 00:30:00.220 --> 00:30:03.720 that it was oppressive. Yes, now in terms of 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.519 repression and what you were alluding to in terms 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.380 of religious persecution, in the beginning during 00:30:09.380 --> 00:30:12.220 the revolution itself, we're talking about many 00:30:12.220 --> 00:30:14.960 thousands of individuals participating in that, 00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:17.619 there were atrocities committed. There were people 00:30:17.619 --> 00:30:19.880 murdered solely because they were Christian. 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.910 However, that did not reflect is more of the 00:30:22.910 --> 00:30:25.349 tragedy of any war that is happening, just like 00:30:25.349 --> 00:30:27.529 the one right now in Ukraine and Russia, what's 00:30:27.529 --> 00:30:29.769 going on there on the ground in the Ukraine. 00:30:29.890 --> 00:30:33.450 But it was not systematic. It was not at all 00:30:33.450 --> 00:30:36.430 what the Bolshevik government wanted. And in 00:30:36.430 --> 00:30:40.009 fact, under Stalin, if anybody did any type of 00:30:40.009 --> 00:30:42.970 summary executions of people, because they did 00:30:42.970 --> 00:30:45.910 have hearings. And a lot of the people that persons 00:30:45.910 --> 00:30:48.750 will identify with the Orthodox Church and say 00:30:48.750 --> 00:30:50.910 that they were martyrs were actually working 00:30:50.910 --> 00:30:54.470 with the fifth column with Western agencies receiving 00:30:54.470 --> 00:30:57.210 financial support to overthrow the Bolshevik 00:30:57.210 --> 00:30:59.809 government. These were not people that after 00:30:59.809 --> 00:31:02.809 a hearing were executed as they were if they 00:31:02.809 --> 00:31:05.690 were convicted of actually attempting to overthrow 00:31:05.690 --> 00:31:08.109 the government or participate in assassinations. 00:31:08.230 --> 00:31:11.049 They might be an orthodox priest, for example, 00:31:11.049 --> 00:31:13.470 or deeply involved in the church. But if they 00:31:13.470 --> 00:31:16.210 were simultaneously, which the West doesn't like 00:31:16.210 --> 00:31:19.009 to focus upon, actively working against the government, 00:31:19.210 --> 00:31:21.839 no government allows that. The vast majority, 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:24.440 however, that were sent to the prisons, they 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.440 were sent to prisons. Many actually were not 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.660 executed. Numbers that people hear about, millions, 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:32.720 tens of millions, hundreds, all of these, it's 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.539 like pull a number out that they say that a responsible 00:31:35.539 --> 00:31:38.180 and that Stalin was this brutal murderer are 00:31:38.180 --> 00:31:41.039 completely false. There are a number of books 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.720 that, there's a professor, let me think of his 00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:47.319 name, a Grover Furr, F -U -R -R. I would highly 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.559 recommend your audience that would like to examine 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.500 that because that's not what we're going to want 00:31:51.500 --> 00:31:54.579 to get to the SMO here. But if you in any way, 00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.559 what you think about the Soviet life and especially 00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.200 about Stalin, I will say almost everything an 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.180 American thinks about Stalin is completely a 00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:06.059 lie. And the CIA, I read the papers when I think 00:32:06.059 --> 00:32:09.339 these were declassified in 2017. I got another 00:32:09.339 --> 00:32:12.200 group of them from 2019, but we can go back and 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.079 see where the CIA and prior to that, the OSS 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.500 had identified that the number one threat to 00:32:17.500 --> 00:32:20.259 the United States from Stalin was the fact that 00:32:20.259 --> 00:32:23.359 his people were so educated. We cannot compete. 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.519 Again, emphasis on competition in the world, 00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:29.319 nothing about a military threat. The Soviet Union 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:32.700 was not an overt threat in any way, but they 00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:35.160 wanted the American people to believe that. And 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.420 again, other peoples in the world, just like 00:32:37.420 --> 00:32:40.220 right now, the majority of the world know the 00:32:40.220 --> 00:32:42.380 truth about the Ukraine -Russia conflict, and 00:32:42.380 --> 00:32:45.200 it's only Americans and those in Western countries 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.650 that are left in the dark. But Grover Furr. highly 00:32:47.650 --> 00:32:50.509 recommend to learn the truth about how Stalin 00:32:50.509 --> 00:32:53.329 governed and how all of those numbers about people 00:32:53.329 --> 00:32:56.769 being murdered and mass executions are complete 00:32:56.769 --> 00:33:00.309 lies fabricated both by Khrushchev and thereby 00:33:00.309 --> 00:33:04.009 picked up by the CIA to be repeated. The historians, 00:33:04.190 --> 00:33:06.930 frankly, I am just disgusted with some of the 00:33:06.930 --> 00:33:09.650 quote historians that say that they are experts 00:33:09.650 --> 00:33:13.250 on the Soviet Union because all they do is regurgitate 00:33:13.250 --> 00:33:16.069 these endless lies. And I go straight to the 00:33:16.069 --> 00:33:18.950 records. I go straight to the records of the 00:33:18.950 --> 00:33:23.509 NKVD, the KGB, and the CIA. And what we can see 00:33:23.509 --> 00:33:26.710 there is there were no millions being executed. 00:33:26.849 --> 00:33:29.130 The vast majority who were convicted of a crime 00:33:29.130 --> 00:33:32.089 were simply set off, sent to villages where people 00:33:32.089 --> 00:33:34.130 lived. Yeah, it was a hard life. It was very 00:33:34.130 --> 00:33:37.190 cold in Siberia, as it is still today. Beautiful, 00:33:37.329 --> 00:33:39.910 but a very rough life. And the majority also 00:33:39.910 --> 00:33:42.250 would go to work camps, and the vast majority 00:33:42.250 --> 00:33:44.789 of those left. They did not die in those camps, 00:33:44.809 --> 00:33:47.740 as Americans call them. them gulag, an abbreviation 00:33:47.740 --> 00:33:50.079 because they can't pronounce the Russian words. 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.819 But it is a complete misnomer about Soviet society 00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:57.579 as well as the persecution. I would also add, 00:33:57.619 --> 00:33:59.839 since you talked about the churches, Stalin, 00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:03.759 in fact, once the power came from Lenin and upon 00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:07.059 his death, Stalin had quite an Orthodox Christian 00:34:07.059 --> 00:34:10.739 background. And he actually, we know from both 00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:13.800 his children and their books and their interviews, 00:34:13.900 --> 00:34:16.800 as well as other in the government, as well as 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.539 his personal bodyguard that, especially in those 00:34:19.539 --> 00:34:23.000 years during World War II, he regularly met with 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.699 a priest, prayed, went to confession. And once 00:34:25.699 --> 00:34:28.119 the power went from the Bolshevik government, 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.079 which was certainly far more atheistic into Stalin, 00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:35.119 he later had thousands of churches rebuilt across 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.559 the country. So there's a whole lot of history 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.099 there that most Americans don't know, to put 00:34:40.099 --> 00:34:42.639 it in perspective. But Grover Furr, you can learn 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.159 a lot about the truth. about the Soviet Union. 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.619 He is one of only a very few in the world that 00:34:47.619 --> 00:34:49.900 have cared to research it. I am not here to argue 00:34:49.900 --> 00:34:52.400 with you. And obviously, you're a very well -spoken, 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.800 well -educated woman. I really appreciate it. 00:34:54.820 --> 00:34:57.480 So when I pose my questions, just remember, I'm 00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.679 posing them from what I've learned. I know a 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:03.360 lot of what I learned was Stalin didn't, of course, 00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.440 there's stories of the gulags. And he would execute 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.960 people, especially people he thought were potential 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.440 problems. But I know his greatest weapon was 00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.610 famine. Like, he would cut off food supply. to 00:35:13.610 --> 00:35:15.969 certain areas and literally just far about millions 00:35:15.969 --> 00:35:17.869 of people. You didn't need a gun. You just needed 00:35:17.869 --> 00:35:20.010 to control the supply lines. And ultimately, 00:35:20.250 --> 00:35:22.929 I think, and listen, I think that even the US 00:35:22.929 --> 00:35:25.650 at this point is in some form of a socialist 00:35:25.650 --> 00:35:27.849 government. You can see it all in Western Europe 00:35:27.849 --> 00:35:30.929 and all over the world. But how do you reconcile 00:35:30.929 --> 00:35:34.969 the stories of mass famine and the stories of... 00:35:34.969 --> 00:35:36.969 Go ahead, sorry. Yeah, certainly. No, excellent 00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:39.309 questions. I appreciate every one of your questions 00:35:39.309 --> 00:35:41.869 because it's rare to be able to have the opportunity 00:35:41.869 --> 00:35:44.349 to... some of the facts with people, because 00:35:44.349 --> 00:35:46.610 this is what we grew up with. Man, what you are 00:35:46.610 --> 00:35:49.329 asking me is what I thought for many years of 00:35:49.329 --> 00:35:52.210 my life, until I really began, as they say, that 00:35:52.210 --> 00:35:56.329 deep dive in my career into the history. No, 00:35:56.469 --> 00:35:58.889 actually, the most famous case of what you're 00:35:58.889 --> 00:36:01.570 saying is called the Holodomor. And it has particularly 00:36:01.570 --> 00:36:04.969 become very popular to discuss as if Stalin had 00:36:04.969 --> 00:36:08.690 purposely starved millions of Ukrainians. And 00:36:08.690 --> 00:36:11.469 I can tell you, I researched that. First of all, 00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.739 was never used. There's not a single instance 00:36:14.739 --> 00:36:18.000 of where Stalin withheld food as a technique 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.940 of power and control over any of the regions 00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:23.539 of the Soviet Union. The most famous one being 00:36:23.539 --> 00:36:25.940 the Holodomor. It's very interesting to study 00:36:25.940 --> 00:36:28.340 how popular that has become with many people. 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.719 And they bring up the Holodomor and they accept 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.380 it as a fact, as if he starved Ukrainians. He 00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:37.059 had nothing against Ukrainians. And what happened 00:36:37.059 --> 00:36:38.719 during that timeframe, and first of all, let 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.000 me tell you about the word. It actually der... 00:36:40.940 --> 00:36:43.960 arrived, Ukraine hired, it's very interesting, 00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:48.340 California writers and those involved in the 00:36:48.340 --> 00:36:51.599 entertainment industry to come up with a very 00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.119 good story. Pardon? I said communist socialist. 00:36:55.159 --> 00:37:00.239 It was a joke, sorry. They hired an agency in 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.219 order to manufacture, fabricate a story of mass 00:37:04.219 --> 00:37:07.440 starvation intentionally done by Stalin against 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.599 the Ukrainians. They did this and this became 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.280 popular. right after the SMO began. And that 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.519 is when you started to see it. In fact, even 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.920 commercials and ads were actually taken out and 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.900 placed in Western publications to, quote, educate. 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.280 And guests started popping up to talk about the 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.599 Holodomor. But it never happened. Was there starvation 00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.440 in Ukraine? Yes, but no more than there was in 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:31.639 the rest of the regions, including the Russian 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:35.179 region, including Europe. This had been, unfortunately, 00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:38.599 just due to the environmental factors, something 00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.550 all of those in the Soviet regions, as well as 00:37:41.550 --> 00:37:44.690 all of Europe, have been dealing with for hundreds 00:37:44.690 --> 00:37:47.710 of years, thousands of years. And every so many 00:37:47.710 --> 00:37:50.429 years, because of the weather and because of 00:37:50.429 --> 00:37:53.489 the situation, then there would be crops entirely 00:37:53.489 --> 00:37:56.570 wiped out. And Stalin was actually known for 00:37:56.570 --> 00:38:00.210 trying to, what little was there, to disperse 00:38:00.210 --> 00:38:02.809 that equally, though never adequately, because 00:38:02.809 --> 00:38:05.190 there was not adequate food at that time. It 00:38:05.190 --> 00:38:09.769 reminds me of even during World War II, fascinating 00:38:09.769 --> 00:38:11.710 situation about what happened to the prisoners 00:38:11.710 --> 00:38:14.650 of war, the German prisoners of war. Very sad 00:38:14.650 --> 00:38:16.789 stories about how the German prisoners of war 00:38:16.789 --> 00:38:19.389 were mistreated. They call them Eisenhower camps 00:38:19.389 --> 00:38:21.929 because he was heading up the military and the 00:38:21.929 --> 00:38:24.250 starvation that happened of German prisoners 00:38:24.250 --> 00:38:27.269 of war during that time. Well, as in the Soviets, 00:38:27.289 --> 00:38:29.369 it's not good to be a prisoner of war at all 00:38:29.369 --> 00:38:32.030 at that time, but they actually, yes, there was 00:38:32.030 --> 00:38:35.190 mass starvation in both situations. The Americans 00:38:35.190 --> 00:38:37.889 actually had ample food supplies and would with 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.360 hold it in a number of camps. This is documented 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.679 from US military. They're on record. I've seen 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.539 them interviewed. I've read what they've written. 00:38:45.619 --> 00:38:47.460 They have come out and they've even testified 00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.719 here in the United States about the intentional 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.099 starvation of German prisoners of war. I know 00:38:52.099 --> 00:38:54.360 I'm digressing, but it's really the same point. 00:38:54.420 --> 00:38:56.960 The accusation that what the Russians or the 00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:59.679 Soviets did was the Soviets during that time 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.659 actually fed them, but no more. And I read the 00:39:02.659 --> 00:39:04.900 decree from Stalin and it was implemented. It 00:39:04.900 --> 00:39:07.619 had to be implemented because yes, You had better 00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:09.920 follow the order. But the food had to be given 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.360 to those prisoners of war. It was the same during 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:14.880 the mass starvations that would happen across 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.539 the Soviet region and Europe. Nothing happened 00:39:17.539 --> 00:39:20.159 to the Ukrainians intentionally. There's absolutely 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.420 no evidence of that whatsoever. And the Europeans 00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:26.340 themselves were suffering and starving at those 00:39:26.340 --> 00:39:31.079 times. So they simply took a very tragic natural 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:35.119 disaster, we could call it, and actually retained 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.090 U .S. right writers, entertainment writers, and 00:39:38.090 --> 00:39:40.489 designers to make this story of the Holocaust 00:39:40.489 --> 00:39:43.730 more. It is entirely fabricated. And I researched 00:39:43.730 --> 00:39:46.190 that very much because it deeply concerned me. 00:39:46.550 --> 00:39:49.269 So getting back to the special military operation 00:39:49.269 --> 00:39:51.570 or war between Russia and Ukraine. So I have 00:39:51.570 --> 00:39:54.730 a two -part question. First is, do you think 00:39:54.730 --> 00:39:57.250 Trump wants to attempt peace? Obviously, he's 00:39:57.250 --> 00:39:59.510 made a lot of opportunities. He's had negotiations 00:39:59.510 --> 00:40:02.329 with Putin, trying to reach a peace accord between 00:40:02.329 --> 00:40:04.250 the two countries. But so do you think that he 00:40:04.250 --> 00:40:06.530 actually is really trying achieve that? Do you 00:40:06.530 --> 00:40:09.610 think Putin is trying to achieve that? And what 00:40:09.610 --> 00:40:11.750 do you think Putin really wants to achieve before 00:40:11.750 --> 00:40:14.409 he kind of signs that deal and goes along? Great 00:40:14.409 --> 00:40:18.130 question. I would say that I view all of the 00:40:18.130 --> 00:40:21.309 Trump negotiations as political theater. I believe 00:40:21.309 --> 00:40:25.130 firmly that Trump is trying to pose as a mediator, 00:40:25.130 --> 00:40:27.809 which in itself is ludicrous when the United 00:40:27.809 --> 00:40:31.389 States, as I have briefly touched upon, is the 00:40:31.389 --> 00:40:34.269 direct cause of the Ukraine -Russia conflict. 00:40:34.269 --> 00:40:36.329 This wouldn't not be happening, if not for the 00:40:36.329 --> 00:40:38.429 United States and what they've done in Ukraine 00:40:38.429 --> 00:40:41.289 against Russia. And Trump has not renunciated 00:40:41.289 --> 00:40:43.909 that. Trump could have stopped this immediately. 00:40:44.070 --> 00:40:46.570 I remember his words. They sounded great that 00:40:46.570 --> 00:40:48.869 he was going to put an end to this. What he said 00:40:48.869 --> 00:40:51.369 on day one and he said on week one, I don't know 00:40:51.369 --> 00:40:53.530 what he kept changing. I think one time he said 00:40:53.530 --> 00:40:56.269 he would end it even before he took office. Yeah. 00:40:56.269 --> 00:40:58.710 24 hours. And at one time he said he would end 00:40:58.710 --> 00:41:00.949 it before he even took office. And of course 00:41:00.949 --> 00:41:03.449 that timeframe keeps going on and on and he says, 00:41:03.449 --> 00:41:05.400 oh, it's more complicated than I thought. No, 00:41:05.460 --> 00:41:08.179 it is not more complicated. If Trump truly wanted 00:41:08.179 --> 00:41:10.400 peace here, since the United States is the one 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.500 making all of this possible, there would not 00:41:12.500 --> 00:41:15.320 be nightly bombings in Russia and attacks in 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.460 Russia. There would not be attacks on the oil 00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:19.480 vessels in the Black Sea. There would not be 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:21.300 any of this happening. None of this would have 00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:23.579 even happened if the Minsk agreements had been 00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:26.019 honored, but they knew that the U .S., they wanted 00:41:26.019 --> 00:41:28.920 to arm Ukraine for this. Trump, number one, could 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.280 have easily done it, quote, in 24 hours. It would 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.260 have ceased within a week or two. really afterwards. 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:36.960 And all he had to do was to stop supplying weapons. 00:41:37.099 --> 00:41:39.260 But I remind you, although he wants to say it's 00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:41.780 not his war, he also bragged when he was running 00:41:41.780 --> 00:41:44.179 for office that he was the first U .S. president 00:41:44.179 --> 00:41:46.960 during his first term to provide Ukraine with 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:49.340 lethal weapons. And he was. This is not quote 00:41:49.340 --> 00:41:52.219 Biden's war. This is every U .S. president's 00:41:52.219 --> 00:41:54.340 war because this goes back for decades. And when 00:41:54.340 --> 00:41:56.420 we take a look right at what's happening in Ukraine, 00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.679 Trump was a part of it. Biden was, of course, 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:00.619 a part of it. And when Trump came in, he could 00:42:00.619 --> 00:42:02.880 have stopped all weaponry to Ukraine. He could 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.719 have stopped all intelligence because they cannot 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.679 use those missiles and even a lot of the drones 00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.139 and certainly the missiles without the United 00:42:11.139 --> 00:42:14.420 States intelligence, without Starlink. If he 00:42:14.420 --> 00:42:17.159 truly wanted peace and an end to this tragic 00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:19.760 bloodshed for Ukrainians who are suffering and 00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.440 dying as well as Russians, he could have stopped 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.039 it right then because the Russians had never 00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.400 used aggression. It had only been in self -defense. 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:30.860 So Trump says he wants peace and he wants to 00:42:30.860 --> 00:42:33.429 be a peacemaker. That seems to be what he is 00:42:33.429 --> 00:42:36.389 saying, but everything internationally, not discussing 00:42:36.389 --> 00:42:39.210 domestic policy, but internationally, he is not 00:42:39.210 --> 00:42:41.650 a peacemaker. I digress, but you take a look 00:42:41.650 --> 00:42:44.269 at Gaza and the genocide that is happening there. 00:42:44.349 --> 00:42:46.429 And all he is thinking about is the development, 00:42:46.590 --> 00:42:49.750 even sharing disgusting memes of himself as a 00:42:49.750 --> 00:42:52.130 gold statue or lying on the beach there. This 00:42:52.130 --> 00:42:54.590 is what he laughs at when we are talking about 00:42:54.590 --> 00:42:57.130 tens of thousands of people being murdered and 00:42:57.130 --> 00:42:59.230 their homes being taken away from them. He's 00:42:59.230 --> 00:43:01.250 not a peacemaker, but he does care. care about 00:43:01.250 --> 00:43:03.630 that image. He wants that image, and he's also 00:43:03.630 --> 00:43:06.269 a man that never wants to say that he lost. So 00:43:06.269 --> 00:43:09.250 for him to pose as a mediator and say this would 00:43:09.250 --> 00:43:12.489 be another one of the wars with his ludicrous 00:43:12.489 --> 00:43:15.570 count of eight or nine, which is nonsense, any 00:43:15.570 --> 00:43:18.489 of us who have studied those conflicts. But nevertheless, 00:43:18.789 --> 00:43:20.730 on this, he could have stopped all intelligence 00:43:20.730 --> 00:43:23.469 weapons directly, weapons to NATO, because the 00:43:23.469 --> 00:43:26.070 United States is essentially NATO, one and the 00:43:26.070 --> 00:43:28.210 same, if he had won at peace. But he's doing 00:43:28.210 --> 00:43:30.739 this charade so that he can appear as peacemaker. 00:43:30.820 --> 00:43:34.599 He's hoping that he can bring a diplomatic later 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.320 rather than sooner into this for which he will 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.380 get the credit. But again, he is the cause. So 00:43:40.380 --> 00:43:42.900 it is a very strange thing to see this political 00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:45.920 theater going on because he's trying to play 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.239 the part, hope that it does end and it will end 00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:51.880 and Russia is going to be victorious either militarily. 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.199 And if they have been trying to come to the table 00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.000 numerous times, get past Minsk, get to Istanbul 00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.360 in 2022, they had come to an agreement. Then 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.079 Boris Johnson from the UK came in there. I know 00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.599 I would suspect that's not alone. The West works 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:07.619 together to make sure it didn't happen. They 00:44:07.619 --> 00:44:10.380 did not want an end to this. They only want it 00:44:10.380 --> 00:44:13.280 escalation. So no, I'd have to say that he calls 00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:17.320 for peace, but he's insincere. His actions totally 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:20.639 contradict his words. And ultimately, Ukraine 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.539 is just fully controlled by Washington. All right. 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.360 And Trump is just the figurehead here, but the 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:29.000 United States wants to continue to use Ukraine 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.099 in this manner. No, I don't think Trump really 00:44:31.099 --> 00:44:33.199 wants peace. He wants a quote piece where he 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.880 gets credit once this stops. But that's, I just 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.559 see his ego does not want to have a loss. So 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:40.860 he needs somehow to frame it, work with the Russians. 00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.280 The Russians have been very patient with him 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.619 and doing these meetings. Meanwhile, they continue 00:44:45.619 --> 00:44:48.360 militarily because nothing on paper meets what 00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.139 you just asked me about. What does Putin want? 00:44:51.219 --> 00:44:54.420 In terms of Putin, he has repeatedly tried to 00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:56.780 solve this and they came right to it once it 00:44:56.780 --> 00:44:58.829 had begun. Even though they had been betrayed 00:44:58.829 --> 00:45:01.489 in Minsk 1 and 2, but then they had this agreement. 00:45:01.570 --> 00:45:04.170 They withdrew their troops. They were not leaving 00:45:04.170 --> 00:45:06.929 the areas of Kiev and a couple other, a couple 00:45:06.929 --> 00:45:10.090 of central cities in Ukraine because of the talks 00:45:10.090 --> 00:45:12.809 in Istanbul. And as a sign of goodwill, Russia 00:45:12.809 --> 00:45:15.090 withdrew its troops. And then, of course, it 00:45:15.090 --> 00:45:17.550 completely failed. Ukraine continued to fight. 00:45:17.650 --> 00:45:20.050 The Russians lost that land that they had easily 00:45:20.050 --> 00:45:23.610 gotten since it was completely, relatively unexpected. 00:45:23.769 --> 00:45:26.130 I think that Putin has always wanted peace. I 00:45:26.130 --> 00:45:28.650 will have to say. that his actions over the last 00:45:28.650 --> 00:45:31.969 20 years has proven to me that it's not about 00:45:31.969 --> 00:45:35.170 aggression. He's been very firm. And even the 00:45:35.170 --> 00:45:37.489 restraint that has been shown against Ukraine 00:45:37.489 --> 00:45:39.889 targeting a military targets, civilian death 00:45:39.889 --> 00:45:43.150 is extremely low. There are a lot of fake videos. 00:45:43.150 --> 00:45:45.110 And I would point this out to your audience. 00:45:45.170 --> 00:45:47.869 When you're watching our news in the United States, 00:45:47.869 --> 00:45:50.230 you can take a look in the corner of where the 00:45:50.230 --> 00:45:52.789 videos come from. A lot of us have investigated 00:45:52.789 --> 00:45:55.289 some of these videos coming from Ukraine saying 00:45:55.289 --> 00:45:58.099 that civilians. being hit, for example. And it 00:45:58.099 --> 00:46:00.239 comes out to be videos from some other part of 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.019 the world, for example. Their false flags and 00:46:03.019 --> 00:46:05.699 fabrications are so extensive, one could talk 00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:08.840 for several hours on those that have been disproven. 00:46:09.099 --> 00:46:11.960 Putin just wants an end to the persecution of 00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.340 the Russian speakers in all of those regions. 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:16.460 They're now a part of Russia. That is not up 00:46:16.460 --> 00:46:19.659 for discussion. The Donbass and Kyrgyzstan, Crimea 00:46:19.659 --> 00:46:21.920 are all part of Russia now, and that is going 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.300 to have to be recognized. And that can be recognized 00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:26.599 and the Ukrainians can... unconditionally surrender, 00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:28.980 along with an agreement. But I can tell you what's 00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:31.639 not going to happen that United States and Trump 00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:35.219 continues to talk about is like a freeze, a ceasefire 00:46:35.219 --> 00:46:37.739 and a freeze. Whether that's at Christmas time 00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:41.079 or another time, absolutely not. Because all 00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:43.920 of history, recent history, has shown that in 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.980 any freeze, the Americans and all of the NATO 00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:49.460 countries immediately begin rearming Ukraine. 00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:51.880 I do believe that Putin wants peace. I think 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.599 Trump won't quote peace so he can get quote peace. 00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.539 on his side, just so that it appears that way, 00:46:57.539 --> 00:46:59.599 the surface and the appearance that he was part 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.440 of it. And it will happen, probably later, since 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:04.500 the U .S. is still playing games with what they 00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:07.239 put on paper. But when it happens, Trump really 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.119 is focused on business. And everybody wants business 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:12.659 and normalization with Russia. In fact, Krov, 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.099 Foreign Ministry of Russia, just the other day, 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:18.619 met once again with the president of the United 00:47:18.619 --> 00:47:21.360 States Chamber of Commerce. And their business 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.329 in the United States, companies want that restored. 00:47:24.389 --> 00:47:27.369 Russia has capitalism. The United States really 00:47:27.369 --> 00:47:31.389 wants that. This political hostilities and military 00:47:31.389 --> 00:47:33.630 hostilities from the United States is only hurting 00:47:33.630 --> 00:47:36.050 the United States, hurting Europe. Europe is 00:47:36.050 --> 00:47:38.190 going bankrupt. Ukraine has always been banked, 00:47:38.190 --> 00:47:40.449 by the way. They relied upon the International 00:47:40.449 --> 00:47:42.989 Monetary Fund. United States, they've really 00:47:42.989 --> 00:47:45.769 had no independence whatsoever. So yeah, I do 00:47:45.769 --> 00:47:47.750 believe Putin wants peace. He wants an end to 00:47:47.750 --> 00:47:50.449 this as soon as possible. He's shown great restraint 00:47:50.449 --> 00:47:53.030 militarily. The United States simply wants to 00:47:52.909 --> 00:47:55.650 appear as if they're neutral mediators, even 00:47:55.650 --> 00:47:57.389 though they could stop it at any moment and they 00:47:57.389 --> 00:47:59.769 do. Does peace start, he's obviously conquered 00:47:59.769 --> 00:48:01.769 some of those territories, right? Does he stop 00:48:01.769 --> 00:48:04.210 there or does he push towards Kyiv or how does 00:48:04.210 --> 00:48:06.309 that peace come about? If parties aren't ultimately 00:48:06.309 --> 00:48:08.070 working together to, Hey, you're going to take 00:48:08.070 --> 00:48:09.309 this. I'm going to take that. We're going to 00:48:09.309 --> 00:48:11.940 sign a peace accord. How do you see this? Okay, 00:48:11.940 --> 00:48:14.619 I do believe that everything stated and I would 00:48:14.619 --> 00:48:16.920 say this I want to get to your question the audience 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.579 that we have out there go it's available to you 00:48:19.579 --> 00:48:22.059 this is a wonderful time to live we've got the 00:48:22.059 --> 00:48:25.400 internet go and listen or read Putin's speech 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:28.219 when the SMO happened read it because when that 00:48:28.219 --> 00:48:31.559 happened I went line by line and examined everything 00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.019 that he said historically and all of it was true 00:48:34.019 --> 00:48:36.960 and it would really be good if people would actually 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.440 read that it was very long but it was telling 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:41.539 the Russian people why this was happening, but 00:48:41.539 --> 00:48:43.719 it's telling the world. Anyone out there can 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.980 go to the February 22nd, 22 speech by Putin as 00:48:46.980 --> 00:48:49.760 to why the SMO was begun. It was true then, it's 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.079 true now. And everything said in it, they are 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.519 going to be victorious as for the scenario as 00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:56.940 how that happens. In terms of the territories, 00:48:57.139 --> 00:48:59.659 Russia has stated, and we have every reason to 00:48:59.659 --> 00:49:01.760 believe them because they have never been trying 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:04.659 to acquire territory to rebuild an empire. On 00:49:04.659 --> 00:49:07.599 the contrary, we do have a lot of regions in 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.320 Ukraine or several regions in Ukraine who been 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.579 asking, they want it to return to their motherland. 00:49:13.619 --> 00:49:16.480 Only those territories, the four territories 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:19.639 that have become a part of Russia by the Constitution 00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.119 and voted will is what Russia wants. Russia has 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.780 extended that now to needing to make a buffer 00:49:25.780 --> 00:49:28.420 zone. That is because of the nightly shelling 00:49:28.420 --> 00:49:32.119 of civilians from Ukrainian territory. They said 00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.559 there will need to be a buffer zone so that they 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:38.059 cannot continue to kill Russian civilians. They 00:49:38.059 --> 00:49:41.750 of course are not going to allow Ukraine to become 00:49:41.750 --> 00:49:44.170 part of NATO, and there needs to be an actual 00:49:44.170 --> 00:49:47.829 president to sign anything. Zelensky, this... 00:49:49.230 --> 00:49:52.429 Zelensky, this evil clown, among all the European 00:49:52.429 --> 00:49:55.610 clowns that we see, really the nonsense of the 00:49:55.610 --> 00:49:58.570 European Union is becoming ludicrous to us that 00:49:58.570 --> 00:50:00.949 are involved in geopolitics to see the things 00:50:00.949 --> 00:50:03.429 that they are saying, all their vitriolic hatred 00:50:03.429 --> 00:50:06.030 for Russia. But aside all the talk you hear from 00:50:06.030 --> 00:50:08.690 people like Mertz, it's just absolutely crazy, 00:50:08.789 --> 00:50:11.690 or the British. And you get down to the Russians 00:50:11.690 --> 00:50:14.389 simply want those territories and a buffer zone. 00:50:14.469 --> 00:50:16.969 They do want the demilitarization. They need 00:50:16.969 --> 00:50:19.590 that guarantee. We talk about security guarantees 00:50:19.590 --> 00:50:21.909 for Ukraine. The truth of the matter is that 00:50:21.909 --> 00:50:24.530 Russia is the one who needs security guarantees. 00:50:24.769 --> 00:50:27.650 I do not see them wanting any other territories, 00:50:27.650 --> 00:50:30.869 but as long as the Ukrainians, which is the United 00:50:30.869 --> 00:50:34.050 States, continues to fight militarily, then the 00:50:34.050 --> 00:50:36.389 Russians are going to have to continue. And right 00:50:36.389 --> 00:50:39.510 now I will say that if they do not come to the 00:50:39.510 --> 00:50:41.969 table and agree to a peace, which can happen 00:50:41.969 --> 00:50:45.070 at any time, Russia is ready for that. It's just 00:50:45.070 --> 00:50:48.369 their security guarantees. are really not considered. 00:50:48.429 --> 00:50:51.530 The last Trump plan included a few, but it also 00:50:51.530 --> 00:50:54.429 included some absurdities in there in terms of 00:50:54.429 --> 00:50:57.150 Russian monies and all of that being discussed. 00:50:57.170 --> 00:50:59.250 But I believe that it will probably have to be 00:50:59.250 --> 00:51:01.250 solved militarily, but at any time the Russians 00:51:01.250 --> 00:51:03.889 are ready to solve it as long as their security 00:51:03.889 --> 00:51:07.570 is guaranteed. But if they don't come to it diplomatically, 00:51:07.949 --> 00:51:10.789 Russia, I think, may need to, especially with 00:51:10.789 --> 00:51:13.909 the attacks on the shipping in the Black Sea. 00:51:13.969 --> 00:51:17.280 There is many Russians and those who are with 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.980 Russia in the city of Odessa. Odessa is a Russian 00:51:20.980 --> 00:51:24.400 city. It is a port built by Russia. Again, bureaucratically 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.679 became part of Ukraine and the Soviet Union. 00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:29.739 There is a mass underground of those that we 00:51:29.739 --> 00:51:32.039 are aware of. It's very dangerous for them there 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:35.000 in Odessa, just waiting for Russian troops to 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.280 liberate them. And when I say liberate, as they 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.199 come into these areas of Ukraine, we've been 00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.300 discussing, they are very glad that the Russians 00:51:41.300 --> 00:51:43.760 have come. I believe that there's a possibility 00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.960 that Russia will need to, because of the continued 00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:50.159 hostilities militarily, get to Odessa. I'll say 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:53.119 this personally, Russians know more than I do. 00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.139 I don't know anything about that. But as somebody 00:51:56.139 --> 00:51:58.460 who cares about the security of Russia, and I 00:51:58.460 --> 00:52:00.460 want to see peace for the Ukrainians and the 00:52:00.460 --> 00:52:03.400 Russians, it seems to me that coming to Odessa, 00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:05.780 liberating it, going straight up the Dnieper 00:52:05.780 --> 00:52:09.139 River, it's a natural divide in Ukraine between 00:52:09.139 --> 00:52:14.239 East and West. And that could serve as the endpoint 00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.860 to finally bring peace to the area and if I may 00:52:17.860 --> 00:52:21.280 I want to when I discuss the idea of liberation 00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:25.000 I want to tell you what is found when they liberate 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.460 areas or some of the areas that Ukrainians took 00:52:28.460 --> 00:52:31.800 over in Russian areas before I watched a lot 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:34.460 of the videos even as it was happening not knowing 00:52:34.460 --> 00:52:36.760 even that we have a few journalists actually 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.840 on the ground in Ukraine and in Russia in the 00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:42.699 areas going down into the basements and finding 00:52:42.699 --> 00:52:45.769 civilians back This is what the Ukrainians do. 00:52:45.869 --> 00:52:48.769 And again, I differentiate between evil done 00:52:48.769 --> 00:52:52.130 by a few and systematic evil. This is systematic 00:52:52.130 --> 00:52:54.989 with the Ukrainian forces. We alluded to it earlier 00:52:54.989 --> 00:52:58.070 about the far -right sectors, the Azov battalion. 00:52:58.170 --> 00:53:01.849 They routinely murder civilians. Anyone who they 00:53:01.849 --> 00:53:04.730 can see had gotten any rations or food rations 00:53:04.730 --> 00:53:07.650 from Russians. Anyone that they feel is not with 00:53:07.650 --> 00:53:10.630 them, civilians, elderly people, we found many 00:53:10.630 --> 00:53:13.329 of them in their basements, shot in... the head 00:53:13.329 --> 00:53:16.389 after being tortured. This is routine. I have 00:53:16.389 --> 00:53:19.150 to say, sadly, Ukrainians have suffered greatly 00:53:19.150 --> 00:53:22.389 even in Ukraine from the mobilization. So many 00:53:22.389 --> 00:53:24.670 have tried to escape if they can't escape without 00:53:24.670 --> 00:53:27.349 being executed. They want to be liberated. So 00:53:27.349 --> 00:53:29.289 I would have to say there are many that want 00:53:29.289 --> 00:53:32.170 to be liberated. It may happen militarily and 00:53:32.170 --> 00:53:34.710 that is going to be a blessing for tens of thousands 00:53:34.710 --> 00:53:36.929 of Ukrainians who desperately want to be back 00:53:36.929 --> 00:53:38.969 with their motherland. So I've said this before, 00:53:38.969 --> 00:53:41.210 and I think I'll say it until Jesus comes back. 00:53:41.230 --> 00:53:44.480 I think all war. or banker wars, corporate wars. 00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:47.320 How much of this conflict do you think has to 00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:50.099 do with BRICS? So I know China, Russia, India, 00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:52.139 they're all getting together trying to create 00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:54.739 their own gold based currency that replace the 00:53:54.739 --> 00:53:57.099 US dollar. Do you think this is like the first 00:53:57.099 --> 00:54:00.000 front of maybe potentially a third world war? 00:54:00.260 --> 00:54:02.519 I think all of this could be. And that is why 00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:06.320 I'm very sad to see in other areas how Trump 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:09.159 seems to be very reckless internationally on 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:11.820 international policy. He has spoken. showing 00:54:11.820 --> 00:54:13.800 his ignorance sometime when he tries to talk 00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:15.940 about BRICS. He doesn't even know the countries, 00:54:15.980 --> 00:54:18.260 as you do, anyone. Very easy. And of course, 00:54:18.340 --> 00:54:20.340 a number of countries have been at it. I think 00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:23.579 that he is a fearful man, I think, representing 00:54:23.579 --> 00:54:26.239 the United States' interest in American hegemony, 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:28.639 which is what the United States is about, maintaining 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:31.719 their hegemony. I think that BRICS is based purely 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.599 on cooperation, trade between nations, just the 00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:39.019 opposite of how Trump is conducting himself as 00:54:39.019 --> 00:54:42.679 the world's bully. and militarily, as if might 00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.280 makes right when it is not true. Bricks has been 00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.119 outstanding and credible. When you talk about 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.599 the gold standard, interestingly enough, I think 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.460 it may have just been in the last months or maybe 00:54:52.460 --> 00:54:54.760 within the last couple of months that the largest 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.360 gold reserves for a government is actually held 00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.199 by the Russian Federation. The countries of bricks 00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:03.019 are, the fundamental of bricks is respecting 00:55:03.019 --> 00:55:06.300 the sovereignty of the nations that you are trading 00:55:06.300 --> 00:55:09.159 with, not using manipulation, not using threat 00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:11.710 of force. not using threat to steal whatever 00:55:11.710 --> 00:55:14.889 you have in your natural resources. And it works. 00:55:15.030 --> 00:55:18.809 That is the way for humanity to relate to each 00:55:18.809 --> 00:55:22.050 other. I do think in terms of the devaluing of 00:55:22.050 --> 00:55:24.489 the dollar, we also take a look at what is happening 00:55:24.489 --> 00:55:27.210 in Europe. It is economically collapsing. The 00:55:27.210 --> 00:55:29.429 United States, of course, remains that mighty 00:55:29.429 --> 00:55:33.050 power militarily and economically. But even that, 00:55:33.170 --> 00:55:35.289 we're seeing the cracks in it now, certainly 00:55:35.289 --> 00:55:38.030 for the common man suffering in the United States, 00:55:38.150 --> 00:55:40.409 regardless of Trump. wants to say, millions of 00:55:40.409 --> 00:55:42.630 Americans know for a fact they are not doing 00:55:42.630 --> 00:55:45.250 as well. They may like some of his policies, 00:55:45.250 --> 00:55:47.949 but in terms of economically, they are suffering. 00:55:48.070 --> 00:55:50.690 I do think that Trump fears not only when we 00:55:50.690 --> 00:55:53.210 talk about geopolitically ever having a quote 00:55:53.210 --> 00:55:56.010 loss, even if it's not a win for him, he wants 00:55:56.010 --> 00:55:58.269 to paint it as such. And I think, for example, 00:55:58.269 --> 00:56:00.489 like the Russians, they understand what they're 00:56:00.489 --> 00:56:03.070 dealing with in him. And if he needs that for 00:56:03.070 --> 00:56:05.590 his ego, they don't care. They simply want this 00:56:05.590 --> 00:56:09.260 war to end and to have that peace. Yeah, I think 00:56:09.260 --> 00:56:11.940 that Trump really fears Bricks. And if he were 00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:14.800 a righteous man, which he is very much shown, 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.079 particularly in his second term, he is not. If 00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:19.420 he were a righteous man and evaluated everything 00:56:19.420 --> 00:56:21.960 from right and wrong, what Bricks is doing is 00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:25.159 the future, the multipolar world, not the world 00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:27.699 where the U .S. has hegemony. All we're talking 00:56:27.699 --> 00:56:31.519 about here is economics. And it works when you 00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:33.840 respect other countries' sovereignty and simply 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.380 trade with them, not bully them and not steal 00:56:36.380 --> 00:56:38.820 from them and not threaten them. them in order 00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:41.440 to have their resources and the benefit of their 00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.880 resources. But again, the United States, sadly, 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.440 going back to our early history, is an empire, 00:56:46.619 --> 00:56:49.659 colonial empire, just as Britain was. Yeah, I 00:56:49.659 --> 00:56:51.840 think that's a great point. I think he fears 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:54.199 bricks. I think he knows very little. Sadly, 00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:56.780 he knows more domestically than he does anything 00:56:56.780 --> 00:56:59.019 internationally. And the people around him are, 00:56:59.019 --> 00:57:01.340 it's a joke to look at the people that surround 00:57:01.340 --> 00:57:03.980 him as if they can tell him anything that is 00:57:03.980 --> 00:57:05.960 in the best interests of the United States. In 00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:08.460 terms of world war Yeah, I think that we may 00:57:08.460 --> 00:57:10.840 have never been closer. And that even includes 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:13.900 what, you know, happened in Cuba years ago. I 00:57:13.900 --> 00:57:16.880 think we're closer now to that potential. I think 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.539 that is because of the recklessness of those 00:57:19.539 --> 00:57:21.920 in Europe who want that war. When you take a 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:23.699 look at the leaders of Europe, the people are 00:57:23.699 --> 00:57:25.539 against them. The people are suffering. I think 00:57:25.539 --> 00:57:27.300 that's going to be coming to the United States 00:57:27.300 --> 00:57:29.599 and people will be suffering in their daily lives, 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:31.619 but it's already happening in Europe and they 00:57:31.619 --> 00:57:33.860 don't like it. And what for? To fight a war against 00:57:33.860 --> 00:57:36.969 Russia? Exactly what you're saying. For those 00:57:36.969 --> 00:57:40.989 who are invested in all of the military establishment 00:57:40.989 --> 00:57:43.369 in Northwest, you know, in Black Rock, look at 00:57:43.369 --> 00:57:46.409 Black Rock, Merse, all of them have their existence 00:57:46.409 --> 00:57:49.889 based upon war. The Western countries and NATO 00:57:49.889 --> 00:57:54.010 is entirely based upon having an enemy, always 00:57:54.010 --> 00:57:56.369 an enemy, that we have to fight. And the common 00:57:56.369 --> 00:57:59.230 man is paying for it and could die for it. And 00:57:59.230 --> 00:58:01.469 it's not worth it. There's no reason. Brick shows 00:58:01.469 --> 00:58:04.090 us there can be international corporation, and 00:58:04.090 --> 00:58:06.230 that's the way it should be. You don't need hegemony. 00:58:06.409 --> 00:58:09.329 So I have one stupid question potentially, and 00:58:09.329 --> 00:58:10.989 one that's probably a little bit smarter. So 00:58:10.989 --> 00:58:13.309 that's the stupid one first. That's the stupid 00:58:13.309 --> 00:58:15.949 first. Yeah, stupid first. You remember me for 00:58:15.949 --> 00:58:20.449 the smart stuff. Why does Putin always refer 00:58:20.449 --> 00:58:22.809 to the war as this special military operation? 00:58:23.010 --> 00:58:25.210 I never quite understood why he always called 00:58:25.210 --> 00:58:28.050 it that versus a war in and of itself. And then 00:58:28.050 --> 00:58:30.070 my second question, which I promise is a little 00:58:30.070 --> 00:58:31.710 bit smarter, but I just never understood the 00:58:31.710 --> 00:58:34.110 first one, is a lot of what we hear in America, 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:36.599 United States and through the European Union 00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:39.159 is that Ukraine is the first stop. People like 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:41.840 Poland and other countries that share borders 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.960 like Moldova and other places have her from Russia. 00:58:45.059 --> 00:58:47.719 Is that a reality on the ground or is that just 00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:49.539 where we're here in this country and beyond? 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.079 Okay. Great questions. Yes. Special military 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.320 operation for the Russian Federation is a very 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:58.360 restrained effort. Although it does use military 00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.739 forces, it is all out different than at any time 00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:04.940 when a war. During a war, this ever escalates 00:59:04.940 --> 00:59:07.920 due to the West or the European countries, which 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.579 we already have, by the way, proven, not just 00:59:10.579 --> 00:59:12.739 mercenaries from the United States and Britain 00:59:12.739 --> 00:59:15.159 and many other countries who are being paid to 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:17.579 be there now because the Ukrainian has run out 00:59:17.579 --> 00:59:20.059 of most of the Ukrainians. Very sad what they've 00:59:20.059 --> 00:59:22.480 done to their own people for this. But if it 00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.380 were indeed a war, if hopefully it does not escalate 00:59:25.380 --> 00:59:27.480 to that, Russia would not hold back. There is 00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.500 no way that in four years, if Russia had any 00:59:30.500 --> 00:59:32.940 aggression, even moving on to your second question. 00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:34.739 question a little bit as I answer, but staying 00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:37.059 on the first one, had it been a war, it would 00:59:37.059 --> 00:59:39.960 have been with the weaponry that Russia has, 00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:42.780 which I would have to say in certain areas is 00:59:42.780 --> 00:59:45.440 far superior to the United States, but both are 00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:48.500 the most powerful, but it has the largest supply 00:59:48.500 --> 00:59:52.239 of nuclear weapons. It has the NIC. It has incredible 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:55.139 hypersonic missiles. It could have, as the United 00:59:55.139 --> 00:59:57.800 States has waged war, as NATO has done, I think 00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.480 back of all the NATO, what you could easily just 01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:03.909 start the name off. like 30 or 40 NATO, where 01:00:03.909 --> 01:00:06.550 they completely wipe out peoples. I think of 01:00:06.550 --> 01:00:09.590 Yugoslavia and Serbia, not for any threat, but 01:00:09.590 --> 01:00:11.949 for, again, hegemonic control. If they had wanted 01:00:11.949 --> 01:00:14.230 that, this would have been over very quickly. 01:00:14.309 --> 01:00:16.909 Within weeks, it would have been over if Russia 01:00:16.909 --> 01:00:19.449 actually cared nothing about the Ukrainian people 01:00:19.449 --> 01:00:22.090 and simply wanted land. To your second question 01:00:22.090 --> 01:00:24.150 even, if that is what they wanted, they could 01:00:24.150 --> 01:00:26.389 have advanced. They could have taken this land. 01:00:26.409 --> 01:00:28.510 This would have been over very quickly if it 01:00:28.510 --> 01:00:30.929 was Ukrainian land, much less any other place. 01:00:31.150 --> 01:00:33.590 Dover, the Bokhani state, the other state and 01:00:33.590 --> 01:00:36.150 regions around there. No, the special military 01:00:36.150 --> 01:00:39.969 operation is a restraint using a very small fraction 01:00:39.969 --> 01:00:44.150 of Russian military in order to accomplish exactly 01:00:44.150 --> 01:00:47.250 the goals that Putin stated. The freeing of these 01:00:47.250 --> 01:00:50.570 people from oppression and to remove the direct 01:00:50.570 --> 01:00:53.730 threat that NATO was posing to Russia. Again, 01:00:53.730 --> 01:00:56.250 if it had been a war, they would have eliminated 01:00:56.250 --> 01:00:59.150 Ukraine. You think about the U .S. and its long 01:00:59.150 --> 01:01:01.639 history of carpet bombing. and destroying a people 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:03.920 for whatever reason that they state to the United 01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.599 States, but it wasn't. No, I would have to say 01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:08.900 the, if you call it the words that you're hearing 01:01:08.900 --> 01:01:13.340 from Poland are just spiritually insane, geopolitically, 01:01:13.619 --> 01:01:16.820 politically, extremely dangerous, certainly escalation, 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:20.079 but these are all people who are extremely unpopular 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:23.199 in their countries. And the only way that they 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:25.320 can survive, you take a look at Zelensky and 01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.539 all of the money that he has, it's not just him. 01:01:27.659 --> 01:01:31.280 There are numerous, easily, from my study, probably 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:33.880 20 to 30 that have become multi -millionaires 01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.900 in the Kiev regime around Zelensky. Where did 01:01:36.900 --> 01:01:39.099 that money come from? Look at yourselves. It's 01:01:39.099 --> 01:01:42.400 our tax money and that has been going to them. 01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:44.840 So the same with the European leaders that you 01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.639 hear talking. In fact, just recently, how disgusting 01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:50.400 to be telling. I read one of the generals in 01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:53.300 England just now saying that everybody's children 01:01:53.300 --> 01:01:55.420 are going to have to die to fight Russia. And 01:01:55.420 --> 01:01:57.599 when you hear these small little countries, often 01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.900 with these stupid women, And of course, that's 01:01:59.900 --> 01:02:01.860 the way it's won it. That's what NATO won't. 01:02:01.860 --> 01:02:04.039 They're easily controlled, speaking as if there 01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:07.059 is any threat. There is no historical basis for 01:02:07.059 --> 01:02:09.760 it whatsoever. There is no basis on this. If 01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:12.380 Russia's goal had been to create or recreate, 01:02:12.380 --> 01:02:14.980 as they say, an empire like the Soviet Union, 01:02:14.980 --> 01:02:18.039 they could have done it. They have withheld so 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.519 much of their might. So a special military operation 01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:23.119 is a very small restrain using a fraction of 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:25.260 the military to accomplish a stated purpose. 01:02:25.460 --> 01:02:27.599 A war is destruction of the enemy, but they're 01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.730 ready to do it if the West foolishly escalates. 01:02:30.789 --> 01:02:33.449 And of course, all of us do not want that. So 01:02:33.449 --> 01:02:35.989 how do you think it ends? Because I'm just going 01:02:35.989 --> 01:02:38.610 to restate what you said. It seems like Western 01:02:38.610 --> 01:02:42.170 Europe is preparing for another world war. Like 01:02:42.170 --> 01:02:44.449 you said, they're telling their populations that 01:02:44.449 --> 01:02:46.510 their children may have to die to fight Russia. 01:02:46.869 --> 01:02:49.309 It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me because 01:02:49.309 --> 01:02:51.730 all those countries are, they all have nuclear 01:02:51.730 --> 01:02:54.630 weapons. What is the logical conclusion of this? 01:02:54.650 --> 01:02:56.909 Because it seems like the West wants to push 01:02:56.909 --> 01:02:59.570 it. that point. And I have my own reasons to 01:02:59.570 --> 01:03:02.389 think that ultimately that may happen. But what 01:03:02.389 --> 01:03:05.610 is Russia's next move at this point? I would 01:03:05.610 --> 01:03:08.610 say that the next move will be to finish this. 01:03:08.769 --> 01:03:10.869 It looks like it will have to be done militarily. 01:03:11.030 --> 01:03:13.550 I personally believe that they will stop after 01:03:13.550 --> 01:03:16.289 they have that buffer zone and Ukraine can no 01:03:16.289 --> 01:03:18.909 longer murder Russia. And I believe that you 01:03:18.909 --> 01:03:21.869 will see Russia stop and cease entirely. Now, 01:03:22.110 --> 01:03:24.949 if the Europeans foolishly want to escalate, 01:03:24.969 --> 01:03:27.059 I will tell you this, they can do nothing and 01:03:27.059 --> 01:03:29.440 they will do nothing. They can run their mouths, 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:31.679 but unless they had the support of the United 01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:33.800 States, whether it's Trump or any other U .S. 01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:37.139 president, to proceed to threaten Russia, because 01:03:37.139 --> 01:03:39.420 Russia is not going to aggress against them. 01:03:39.460 --> 01:03:41.840 But if they ever make the effort, and of course, 01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:44.400 really, technically the United States, we call 01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.360 it a proxy war, but the U .S. is at war with 01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:48.619 Russia, but they keep it at, quote, proxy. But 01:03:48.619 --> 01:03:51.559 we already now have English paratroopers, their 01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:54.500 bodies dying not as mercenaries, but they were 01:03:54.500 --> 01:03:57.059 there as British military inside of Ukraine. 01:03:57.099 --> 01:03:59.500 That is a declaration of war against Russia. 01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:01.880 And I'm sure Russia is keeping that into consideration. 01:04:01.940 --> 01:04:04.320 How it will end is I believe that Russia will 01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:06.639 most likely have to do this militarily achieve 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:09.980 all of the stipulations that we've already discussed, 01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:12.099 the protection of all the people in those regions 01:04:12.099 --> 01:04:14.179 and enough of a buffer zone that they cannot 01:04:14.179 --> 01:04:17.400 continue to fire into Russia and kill Russians. 01:04:17.579 --> 01:04:20.039 That demilitarization and a new government in 01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:22.380 Ukraine, leave that to the US and Poland and 01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:24.780 they can have their little rump portion such 01:04:24.780 --> 01:04:27.400 as it is if they want that land. I am sure that 01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:30.219 Russia will be quite accommodating as they have 01:04:30.219 --> 01:04:32.699 historically in order to help those people. And 01:04:32.699 --> 01:04:35.519 even if they do liberate Odessa, allow them to 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:37.960 use the port, even supervised, of course, so 01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:40.440 weapons don't come in as they are doing now in 01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:43.860 order to export their wheat. To me, Russia is 01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:47.900 really the wise and righteous one in this battle 01:04:47.900 --> 01:04:50.179 against the United States and against Europe. 01:04:50.420 --> 01:04:52.880 World War III, what is ultimately going to happen 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.070 in the world? And I think you said you had some 01:04:55.070 --> 01:04:57.590 personal beliefs about that. So if you would 01:04:57.590 --> 01:05:00.429 ask me to speak personally, I'll tell you my 01:05:00.429 --> 01:05:02.929 hope, of course, is I believe this will be ended 01:05:02.929 --> 01:05:05.889 satisfactorily. And I believe that Ukraine and 01:05:05.889 --> 01:05:08.070 the Ukrainians, hopefully, despite a couple of 01:05:08.070 --> 01:05:10.389 generations of their men and women, for that 01:05:10.389 --> 01:05:13.489 matter, gone, will have whatever country. It 01:05:13.489 --> 01:05:15.929 will be demilitarized. It will no longer pose 01:05:15.929 --> 01:05:18.170 a threat to Russia. I don't believe Russia has 01:05:18.170 --> 01:05:21.269 any aggressive aims on any other country unless 01:05:21.269 --> 01:05:23.710 they are attacked. They never attacked. This 01:05:23.710 --> 01:05:27.250 was a very patient self -defense finally after 01:05:27.250 --> 01:05:29.869 eight years. But ultimately I will go to the 01:05:29.869 --> 01:05:32.289 fact that I'm a Christian and I believe that 01:05:32.289 --> 01:05:35.789 all of this is a part of the spiritual war between 01:05:35.789 --> 01:05:38.369 good and evil in this world. And I'm here to 01:05:38.369 --> 01:05:40.510 tell you from all of my study, Russia in this 01:05:40.510 --> 01:05:43.230 case is the good and it is a Christian nation, 01:05:43.369 --> 01:05:45.289 far more than the United States, far more than 01:05:45.289 --> 01:05:47.690 almost any country in the world. And I mean that 01:05:47.690 --> 01:05:50.989 quite seriously, not peripherally or superficially. 01:05:51.050 --> 01:05:53.960 And as such, I personally believe that this is 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:57.039 part of it. I look at Russia's history with fascination 01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.960 that there has always been attacks on it and 01:05:59.960 --> 01:06:02.139 those claims that Russia has attacked others. 01:06:02.340 --> 01:06:04.679 No, you go back in history and see who attacked 01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:06.679 who. Finland, you want to be talking the other 01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:09.579 day. Who attacked who? They also include in their 01:06:09.579 --> 01:06:12.099 ludicrous talk as if Russia attacked countries 01:06:12.099 --> 01:06:14.480 when we're talking about World War II. Liberation, 01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:16.619 even liberation in Poland. You're going to talk 01:06:16.619 --> 01:06:18.960 about how many people would have died, been murdered 01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:22.579 by the German Nazis had Russia not. Soviet Union 01:06:22.579 --> 01:06:25.780 not got into that part per their agreement. What 01:06:25.780 --> 01:06:29.139 I'm saying to sum it up, I do believe that there's 01:06:29.139 --> 01:06:31.820 a spiritual basis to all of this. And I feel 01:06:31.820 --> 01:06:34.139 sadly, unlike United States wanting to claim 01:06:34.139 --> 01:06:36.639 that it's a Christian nation and all of that, 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:38.900 the government and the way that it treats people 01:06:38.900 --> 01:06:41.760 worldwide is not Christian at all. And there 01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:43.900 are millions of people dead all over the world 01:06:43.900 --> 01:06:47.199 because of the United States, NATO, CIA operations. 01:06:47.460 --> 01:06:50.019 In prophecy, if you talk personally and you had 01:06:50.019 --> 01:06:52.119 your personal beliefs, There will be that World 01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:54.480 War III. I have a belief that prophecy might 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.480 be here to warn us to prevent it, not that it's 01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:00.119 destined to be, not set in stone. But I will 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.760 say that if it ever came to that, the United 01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:06.440 States would certainly be eliminated within just 01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.059 a few minutes, considering the Russian Federation 01:07:09.059 --> 01:07:11.599 submarines that are just off our coast. If they 01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:14.119 are ever attacked, and if it were coming from 01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:17.440 a European nation, as you talked about the weapons 01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:19.719 that they have, I would say England would be 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:22.849 gone. in a matter of moments. So I think they 01:07:22.849 --> 01:07:25.010 know that. And I think that they're running of 01:07:25.010 --> 01:07:27.849 their mouths right now is simply their egos talking 01:07:27.849 --> 01:07:29.610 and their fear that their people are gonna turn 01:07:29.610 --> 01:07:32.110 against them, which they are. I hope that as 01:07:32.110 --> 01:07:35.090 a human being never happens for us on this earth. 01:07:35.190 --> 01:07:38.349 But if it does, or to any degree thereof, I want 01:07:38.349 --> 01:07:41.190 there to always be Russia. Russia is far more 01:07:41.190 --> 01:07:43.670 important to me than any other country on earth. 01:07:43.730 --> 01:07:46.150 Because I think throughout history, I'm seeing 01:07:46.150 --> 01:07:49.090 the workings spiritually like the last bastion 01:07:49.090 --> 01:07:51.769 of Christians. It's a good society. It's based 01:07:51.769 --> 01:07:54.489 on good principles. And most importantly to me, 01:07:54.530 --> 01:07:56.909 as someone who's been really anti -NATO my whole 01:07:56.909 --> 01:07:59.449 life, I don't believe in aggression. I do believe 01:07:59.449 --> 01:08:02.170 in corporation. I believe in having a tremendous 01:08:02.170 --> 01:08:05.210 self -defense, but I also believe in everyone 01:08:05.210 --> 01:08:07.190 putting that aside. And the United States could 01:08:07.190 --> 01:08:10.429 do that right now. Stop all of this war and start 01:08:10.429 --> 01:08:12.349 doing business. And that's what the United States 01:08:12.349 --> 01:08:14.369 likes to do. And they could start doing some 01:08:14.369 --> 01:08:16.909 great business with Russia again. European Union 01:08:16.909 --> 01:08:18.590 will have its choice. They're not going to act. 01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.079 independently, as you suggested, against Russia 01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.119 because they know they would be eliminated. They're 01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:25.140 never going to do anything. They are simply vassals 01:08:25.140 --> 01:08:27.319 of the United States. If the United States does 01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:29.140 not authorize it, it's not going to happen. I 01:08:29.140 --> 01:08:31.439 think to be clear, if there is a war between 01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:34.260 Russia, United States, European Union, what have 01:08:34.260 --> 01:08:36.460 you, I think nobody wins that war, right? No, 01:08:36.539 --> 01:08:37.340 of course not. Because there's just too many 01:08:37.340 --> 01:08:40.000 nuclear weapons in play. And even if you push 01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:42.060 the button the fastest, it's not a world you're 01:08:42.060 --> 01:08:43.579 ultimately going to want to inherit. Well, of 01:08:43.579 --> 01:08:45.779 course not. Nobody wants to. End of time prophecies, 01:08:45.899 --> 01:08:48.760 right? Yeah, you've got to be insane. Yeah, exactly. 01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:51.479 That's what his question suggested to me. Otherwise, 01:08:51.699 --> 01:08:53.720 I wouldn't bring it up, but it really suggests 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:56.020 that. But I will say this, interestingly enough, 01:08:56.140 --> 01:08:58.520 just from the human perspective, living in the 01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:01.619 United States, as we see this, our society is 01:09:01.619 --> 01:09:04.579 getting worse. The food, the security, the prices, 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:08.220 certainly our everyday life, the violence that 01:09:08.220 --> 01:09:12.260 is in our society. All of this is at a time when, 01:09:12.260 --> 01:09:15.300 I can tell you, in Russian society, it is much 01:09:15.300 --> 01:09:18.180 better. It's certainly far better than in most 01:09:18.180 --> 01:09:20.260 of the European countries. There are some other 01:09:20.260 --> 01:09:22.739 good places in the world, but I would say there's 01:09:22.739 --> 01:09:25.279 no comparison between the quality of life for 01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:28.319 an average Russian and an average American. And 01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:30.840 the funny thing about it is Americans think they 01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:33.159 have it the best, the land of the free and liberty, 01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:36.039 and yet they're struggling day to day. Most people 01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:38.340 are struggling and it is only getting worse. 01:09:38.380 --> 01:09:41.020 And yet in Russia, it's not that way. To your 01:09:41.020 --> 01:09:44.119 doomsday in scenario, whatever degree that would 01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:47.090 happen, of course, that is hell. on earth. That 01:09:47.090 --> 01:09:50.069 is truly the hell coming from human beings' egos, 01:09:50.109 --> 01:09:53.430 if that were to happen. But for the Russian people, 01:09:53.550 --> 01:09:56.789 at least, Russia cannot accommodate everyone 01:09:56.789 --> 01:09:59.529 in that vast country. About half the population 01:09:59.529 --> 01:10:01.670 of the US, although much bigger, the biggest 01:10:01.670 --> 01:10:04.970 country on earth, they actually have underground 01:10:04.970 --> 01:10:07.989 facilities stocked with water and food for many 01:10:07.989 --> 01:10:11.029 months for much of their population. If you live 01:10:11.029 --> 01:10:13.789 in a Russian city, not just Moscow, but many 01:10:13.789 --> 01:10:17.090 of the Russian cities, in such scenario if, whatever 01:10:17.090 --> 01:10:20.489 degree there is an exchange and weapons are landing 01:10:20.489 --> 01:10:23.569 in Russia, many people have a place to go. In 01:10:23.569 --> 01:10:26.189 the United States, only the, quote, special people 01:10:26.189 --> 01:10:28.489 of Washington, D .C., and all over this country 01:10:28.489 --> 01:10:30.930 will immediately go to their special place. They 01:10:30.930 --> 01:10:33.170 don't care about you and I. Human life means 01:10:33.170 --> 01:10:34.989 nothing to the U .S. government, and the U .S. 01:10:34.989 --> 01:10:37.109 government is made up of Americans who got the 01:10:37.109 --> 01:10:39.970 power. Greed, power seems to be the motivator 01:10:39.970 --> 01:10:42.630 of almost every American, and the ones at the 01:10:42.630 --> 01:10:45.720 top are exploiting the rest of us. And it's just 01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:48.819 sad that so many of my fellow Americans don't 01:10:48.819 --> 01:10:51.239 see they're being used. They get caught up in 01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:53.380 their left versus right, their Democrat versus 01:10:53.380 --> 01:10:56.520 Republican. But all the while, both of them at 01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.739 the top, and as you alluded to before, the bankers, 01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:02.560 the entire military complex, and all those making 01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:05.340 money, they will survive. And they have made 01:11:05.340 --> 01:11:07.920 accommodations if worse comes to worse. But they 01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:10.079 don't care about the American people. Just that 01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:13.800 evil, I would say, demonic Lindsey Graham speaking. 01:11:13.899 --> 01:11:15.739 others have repeated it that they're going to 01:11:15.739 --> 01:11:18.520 keep fighting this conflict until the last Ukrainian. 01:11:18.699 --> 01:11:21.020 What human being says that about a people? We 01:11:21.020 --> 01:11:23.359 don't want Ukrainians gone. I tell you Russians 01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:25.800 more than anyone don't want these brotherly fellow 01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:28.560 Orthodox Christian people to be gone and their 01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:30.840 deaths are straight on the U .S. government. 01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:33.220 And hopefully it never comes to that. But I would 01:11:33.220 --> 01:11:35.960 say even in the worst situation, at least the 01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:39.279 Russians care about their people and trying to 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:41.960 save some. And they also have the dead hand. 01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:43.779 You may have heard about that. They have a lot 01:11:43.779 --> 01:11:46.000 more sense to dead hand, but even in the worst 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:48.619 case scenario of the Russian government being 01:11:48.619 --> 01:11:51.180 unable to control the weapons would immediately 01:11:51.180 --> 01:11:55.319 be sent. Hopefully if any nuclear is kept within, 01:11:55.539 --> 01:11:58.399 and any of it is tragic, but kept within a certain 01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:00.880 boundary so that there is not full devastation 01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.560 on this earth. But even if it is contained, I 01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:06.180 would say that the United States, relatively 01:12:06.180 --> 01:12:08.359 speaking, is going to get the worst of it. England, 01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:11.079 Europe would be gone. Russia is a very large 01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:14.170 nation. We all hope. We do the good we can do. 01:12:14.210 --> 01:12:16.289 And I would say for every American listening 01:12:16.289 --> 01:12:19.590 to me, get out of your idea that the United States 01:12:19.590 --> 01:12:22.369 is the good guys because they have been savage. 01:12:22.670 --> 01:12:24.670 And it pains me to have to say this about my 01:12:24.670 --> 01:12:26.770 country, but they have been savage and brutal. 01:12:26.930 --> 01:12:30.470 And NATO is simply a tool, a military tool of 01:12:30.470 --> 01:12:32.869 the United States. It has never been defensive. 01:12:32.890 --> 01:12:35.729 And as soon as the Soviet Union was no more, 01:12:35.770 --> 01:12:38.449 they immediately began using their military might 01:12:38.449 --> 01:12:41.029 against other countries. And many civilians have 01:12:41.029 --> 01:12:43.170 suffered. should have been dismantled if it was 01:12:43.170 --> 01:12:45.850 truly defensive against communism, but that wasn't 01:12:45.850 --> 01:12:48.250 its purpose and it is not its purpose now. First 01:12:48.250 --> 01:12:50.710 of all, when I think of the Russia and Ukraine 01:12:50.710 --> 01:12:52.949 war, to me, it's very sad because I almost view 01:12:52.949 --> 01:12:54.869 it as like the civil war that we saw in the United 01:12:54.869 --> 01:12:57.130 States many years ago, because a lot of the Russians 01:12:57.130 --> 01:12:59.329 and Ukrainians are essentially kin, they're brothers 01:12:59.329 --> 01:13:01.310 and sisters, they're family members, they're 01:13:01.310 --> 01:13:04.130 relatives, right? So there are very close people 01:13:04.130 --> 01:13:06.670 if you look at it from an historical lens. So 01:13:06.670 --> 01:13:09.569 I do view that as very sad, but I also sometimes 01:13:09.569 --> 01:13:12.239 wonder does the ends just That's how I look at 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.100 it to see if we've solved the problem. They're 01:13:14.100 --> 01:13:16.119 going to come to a point where Putin is, there's 01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:18.399 too much bloodshed. I need to step back from 01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:20.460 this red line because the war has gone on and 01:13:20.460 --> 01:13:22.220 the people I'm trying to save, the body counts 01:13:22.220 --> 01:13:24.720 rising and we've killed more people than we could 01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:26.579 have potentially saved. Sometimes I wonder if 01:13:26.579 --> 01:13:28.579 the United States and others are like, just make 01:13:28.579 --> 01:13:31.220 the war last long enough so that he gives up 01:13:31.220 --> 01:13:33.199 and there has to be no further incursions. Is 01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:35.699 there something there? No, but that is what the 01:13:35.699 --> 01:13:38.159 American government wants Americans to believe. 01:13:38.380 --> 01:13:40.720 Number one, going to that friend. to injustice 01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:43.760 the means, whoever you apply that to, certainly 01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:46.060 that is not the way the Russian Federation operates, 01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:48.479 but it is how the United States operates. They 01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:51.420 believe that the end goal, one day that they 01:13:51.420 --> 01:13:53.659 hope, regime change in the Russian Federation, 01:13:53.779 --> 01:13:55.300 that is certainly something they would like. 01:13:55.340 --> 01:13:57.319 They would like to see the people unhappy that 01:13:57.319 --> 01:13:59.720 there's been so much death, like you're talking 01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.159 about, that they would turn against the government, 01:14:02.300 --> 01:14:04.199 the Putin government, but that's not happening. 01:14:04.300 --> 01:14:06.380 I can tell you on the ground in Russia, there 01:14:06.380 --> 01:14:09.359 is incredible support because, as you and I were, 01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:11.819 just discussing. The Ukrainians are a brotherly 01:14:11.819 --> 01:14:14.199 people. They are fellow Orthodox Christians. 01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:16.460 A lot of our audience might not know what that 01:14:16.460 --> 01:14:18.960 term is. That is the original Christian church. 01:14:19.060 --> 01:14:22.739 It's an apostolic church directly as Christ and 01:14:22.739 --> 01:14:24.859 the apostles formed. All the other churches we 01:14:24.859 --> 01:14:27.479 know of in the world, in the United States, Catholic 01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:29.960 and Protestants came from that. So it's the original 01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:32.579 Christian church. So they share that. But in 01:14:32.579 --> 01:14:35.060 terms of they don't operate by the end justifies 01:14:35.060 --> 01:14:37.300 the means. The U .S. does. And they think that 01:14:37.300 --> 01:14:39.800 the end of the ultimate either regime change 01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:41.720 as if Russians would turn against Putin, they 01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:44.399 are not. He has incredible support in that. country, 01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:47.380 both because of saving the country from the despair 01:14:47.380 --> 01:14:50.640 of the 90s and the early 2000s, to right now 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:53.880 defending the Russian sovereignty. Because everybody 01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:56.340 does understand, and it's a fact, Russian sovereignty 01:14:56.340 --> 01:14:59.199 was being threatened by Ukraine. In terms of 01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:02.300 the idea of just making this extend and that 01:15:02.300 --> 01:15:05.399 Putin might say, as you suggested, that enough 01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:08.260 is enough and enough death and just come to it, 01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:11.359 no, not without the stated reasons. Because one 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:13.979 thing the Russians have learned is that never 01:15:13.979 --> 01:15:16.479 again are they going to be lied to and duped 01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:19.100 as they were in Minsk 1, Minsk 2, and all throughout 01:15:19.100 --> 01:15:21.779 history. Even when they made agreements after 01:15:21.779 --> 01:15:24.420 the end of World War II and all of those agreements 01:15:24.420 --> 01:15:26.859 were betrayed by the U .S. and NATO expansion. 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:29.640 They know it's an existential threat and NATO's 01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:32.000 plans. No, I don't believe that there's going 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.260 to be any concession in that way from the Russian 01:15:35.260 --> 01:15:37.840 Federation. And I would say this, the Americans, 01:15:37.979 --> 01:15:40.539 a lot of Americans I speak to actually think 01:15:40.539 --> 01:15:43.039 that the Ukrainians had a chance. I can tell 01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:45.399 you, militarily, and I do study the military 01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:48.359 quite a bit. It's not as much as I study the 01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:50.659 history as the historian, but I'm very fascinated 01:15:50.659 --> 01:15:54.100 by the military aspect of this. Militarily, from 01:15:54.100 --> 01:15:56.899 day one, there was no chance that the Ukrainians 01:15:56.899 --> 01:15:59.159 are ever going to, quote, prevail. That has been 01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:01.439 ludicrous. It is a special military effort, very 01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:04.260 much restraint shown, and it is increasing now 01:16:04.260 --> 01:16:06.659 in terms of the attacks on what they're willing 01:16:06.659 --> 01:16:09.479 to do in terms of the military targets, including 01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:12.170 a lot of the NATO and mercenaries. that are in 01:16:12.170 --> 01:16:14.710 Ukraine. And it's interesting in the United States 01:16:14.710 --> 01:16:17.069 what happens to those people when they die and 01:16:17.069 --> 01:16:19.149 what they're told because there's not supposed 01:16:19.149 --> 01:16:21.310 to be, they're not supposed to be in Ukraine. 01:16:21.449 --> 01:16:24.310 But no, I see none of that. Those are stories 01:16:24.310 --> 01:16:27.029 that are given to you by either Europeans or 01:16:27.029 --> 01:16:29.670 certainly some of the US politicians who want 01:16:29.670 --> 01:16:31.970 to act like that there's any quote chance. And 01:16:31.970 --> 01:16:34.189 I go back to right and wrong. Who is right and 01:16:34.189 --> 01:16:36.630 who is wrong? It would be wrong for Ukraine to 01:16:36.630 --> 01:16:38.569 quote when. There's no chance of that. There 01:16:38.569 --> 01:16:41.329 never has been, but it would be wrong. because 01:16:41.329 --> 01:16:45.170 all it is NATO aggression. Their goal is to change 01:16:45.170 --> 01:16:48.510 the government in Russia, take over Russia ideally, 01:16:48.750 --> 01:16:51.909 steal all of its resources and have the tremendous 01:16:51.909 --> 01:16:54.090 benefit of everything that the largest country 01:16:54.090 --> 01:16:56.449 on earth has. But no, there's no chance of the 01:16:56.449 --> 01:16:58.289 Russian people turning against their government. 01:16:58.310 --> 01:17:01.329 And there's absolutely zero chance of that militarily 01:17:01.329 --> 01:17:03.329 and the loss of life that they're going to stop. 01:17:03.470 --> 01:17:06.069 The Russians who have died sadly having to kill 01:17:06.069 --> 01:17:08.390 Ukrainians and most Ukrainians fighting do not 01:17:08.390 --> 01:17:11.079 want to be there. I can tell you that. the mobilization 01:17:11.079 --> 01:17:13.619 techniques, they even kill them trying to mobilize 01:17:13.619 --> 01:17:16.260 them. This is what Ukraine does. It is measured 01:17:16.260 --> 01:17:19.500 in hours, sometimes days, if not hours, anyone 01:17:19.500 --> 01:17:22.039 who is sent to the front on the Ukrainian side 01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:24.899 now. There is no reason for Ukrainians to continue 01:17:24.899 --> 01:17:27.140 to be dying. Now they're so desperate, they're 01:17:27.140 --> 01:17:30.000 placing ads all around the world to pay people 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.180 several thousand dollars to come and fight their 01:17:32.180 --> 01:17:35.140 stupid young men who are older in some cases, 01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:37.619 think they can go and get a kick out of killing 01:17:37.619 --> 01:17:39.819 some Russians and make some money. end up dead 01:17:39.819 --> 01:17:42.100 very quickly. No, there's no chance of those 01:17:42.100 --> 01:17:44.880 scenarios. Russia's going to be victorious sooner 01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:46.979 or later, depending upon what the United States 01:17:46.979 --> 01:17:49.539 wants. Yeah. So I know you're a woman of faith. 01:17:49.899 --> 01:17:52.020 And so this podcast look at everything through 01:17:52.020 --> 01:17:54.439 like a biblical lens. And I often think about 01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:57.479 the war of Inakiel and I think of the one world 01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:00.159 government. I almost think, and you stated, you 01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:02.619 don't think prophecy is not necessarily, maybe 01:18:02.619 --> 01:18:04.659 I'm misquoting you, like inevitability. I do 01:18:04.659 --> 01:18:06.880 think it's an inevitability, but I think God 01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.489 is gracious and he's kind. He would delay, just 01:18:09.489 --> 01:18:12.069 like he did with Jonah and Nineveh and the Israelites 01:18:12.069 --> 01:18:14.689 as they repented, he would delay judgment. I 01:18:14.689 --> 01:18:17.770 worry that this is setting the stage for that 01:18:17.770 --> 01:18:20.569 one, like that huge war that ultimately brings 01:18:20.569 --> 01:18:23.149 forth the one world order, the new world order. 01:18:23.609 --> 01:18:25.869 And I think in like Revelation, that prophecy, 01:18:26.409 --> 01:18:28.189 I think one of the armies that ends up going 01:18:28.189 --> 01:18:30.829 to Jerusalem that God ultimately wipes out is 01:18:30.829 --> 01:18:32.909 people from Russia. What are your thoughts on 01:18:32.909 --> 01:18:35.630 that, if biblical prophecy and how do you see 01:18:35.630 --> 01:18:37.609 it? Sure. Sure. I've studied that personally. 01:18:37.609 --> 01:18:40.369 And because my faith is very important to me, 01:18:40.569 --> 01:18:42.909 your belief that it is inevitable. I have to 01:18:42.909 --> 01:18:46.270 say, I actually, I agree with you. I almost, 01:18:46.550 --> 01:18:49.829 I hope that it is not that complete in, but right 01:18:49.829 --> 01:18:52.090 now I'd have to say the path that we're on. Some 01:18:52.090 --> 01:18:53.989 people believe it is inevitable. Some people 01:18:53.989 --> 01:18:55.810 believe we're being given the chance to change 01:18:55.810 --> 01:18:58.430 that. But yet, yes, I tend to believe that one 01:18:58.430 --> 01:19:01.430 day it will come to that in terms of that one 01:19:01.430 --> 01:19:04.029 world government, that globalism and everything 01:19:04.029 --> 01:19:07.189 is exactly what when I raid and I have just gone 01:19:07.189 --> 01:19:10.189 back over that in terms of both prophecy and 01:19:10.189 --> 01:19:12.810 orthodox Christianity. Prophecy is very interesting. 01:19:12.949 --> 01:19:15.489 I would recommend that scholars and priests writing 01:19:15.489 --> 01:19:18.010 about that. And they all have believed that it 01:19:18.010 --> 01:19:20.609 is inevitable as well. But when you read it through 01:19:20.609 --> 01:19:23.750 the lens of right and wrong, and when I as a 01:19:23.750 --> 01:19:25.550 historian look at who has always been right, 01:19:25.729 --> 01:19:28.069 despite what we are told, I see the U .S. now 01:19:28.069 --> 01:19:30.050 they're going to lose in Ukraine, try to make 01:19:30.050 --> 01:19:32.270 it out as we brought peace. They're pivoting 01:19:32.270 --> 01:19:34.670 now toward China. China's not posing a threat 01:19:34.670 --> 01:19:36.699 to us, except you could call it. quote a threat, 01:19:36.739 --> 01:19:39.359 economically. But they're not trying to do something 01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:41.720 actively against, again, bricks that you talked 01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:45.279 about earlier. We also see America pivoting under 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.640 Trump against Iran, all right? North Korea, China, 01:19:48.779 --> 01:19:51.479 Russia, Iran. Now that brings back into all that 01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:54.800 biblical prophecy, Gog and Magog. And although 01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:58.979 this is a completely at odds with many Western 01:19:58.979 --> 01:20:03.399 American evangelists or considered biblical scholars, 01:20:03.460 --> 01:20:06.159 I think we're all human beings and our mind and 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:08.479 our faith and our prayer as we read the Bible. 01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:11.640 And I believe that those two in terms of that 01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:14.640 one world government and the evil of the Zionist 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.640 state, I certainly am against all of these Christians. 01:20:17.739 --> 01:20:19.739 I believe they are misled is what I'm saying 01:20:19.739 --> 01:20:21.800 in the United States to think that the United 01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:24.300 States should side with the Zionist state after 01:20:24.300 --> 01:20:26.479 all of the evil that it has been doing since 01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:30.520 1948. And to align with it and to call that the 01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:33.100 God's chosen people is an abomination in itself 01:20:33.100 --> 01:20:35.590 to refer to the Zionist as God's chosen people. 01:20:36.010 --> 01:20:38.470 And so I believe that the Antichrist, since you 01:20:38.470 --> 01:20:41.869 asked me, the Antichrist will likely rise and 01:20:41.869 --> 01:20:44.529 we are going to see, and it will be in alignment, 01:20:44.649 --> 01:20:47.109 I believe, with the United States and the Zionist 01:20:47.109 --> 01:20:49.250 state and a few actually of the Middle Eastern 01:20:49.250 --> 01:20:51.829 states. And I believe that one world government 01:20:51.829 --> 01:20:54.289 may very well ultimately be established. And 01:20:54.289 --> 01:20:57.529 I feel that the one that is going to do the work 01:20:57.529 --> 01:21:00.630 of God in that great battle is going to be the 01:21:00.630 --> 01:21:02.850 very ones that the United States calls their 01:21:02.850 --> 01:21:06.079 enemies, Russia. China. North Korea, and Iran. 01:21:06.420 --> 01:21:09.720 And I believe that the good are them, and the 01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:12.359 evil, sadly, is my own country, the United States, 01:21:12.460 --> 01:21:14.539 and the Zionist state, and those that join with 01:21:14.539 --> 01:21:17.199 them. So if indeed that, I believe that the United 01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:19.619 States are going to get the spiritual consequences. 01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:22.300 I think we already are in our society, and I 01:21:22.300 --> 01:21:24.520 think ultimately if that happens, they will, 01:21:24.539 --> 01:21:27.640 because as we know, then in prophecy, despite 01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:30.300 all of the death and bloodshed, ultimately though, 01:21:30.340 --> 01:21:33.479 who is with God? And I will tell you fundamentally 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:35.729 my belief. not only as a historian and what's 01:21:35.729 --> 01:21:38.310 going on, but as a Christian is that God is with 01:21:38.310 --> 01:21:41.409 the Russians and those that are cooperating and 01:21:41.409 --> 01:21:43.529 are not aggressing against other nations, but 01:21:43.529 --> 01:21:46.250 merely dealing in self -defense. It's a very 01:21:46.250 --> 01:21:48.689 different take than most of my fellow Christians 01:21:48.689 --> 01:21:52.250 in my country believe, but I believe dispensationalism 01:21:52.250 --> 01:21:54.550 to be one of the great evils that's happening 01:21:54.550 --> 01:21:57.590 in my country. And I think that any Christian 01:21:57.590 --> 01:22:00.409 that aligns themselves with what is Zionist state, 01:22:00.470 --> 01:22:02.970 they call themselves what Christian Zionists 01:22:02.970 --> 01:22:04.659 or something. like that where it's the same as 01:22:04.659 --> 01:22:06.880 calling yourself a Christian Satanist because 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.819 there is no more satanic demonic country on earth 01:22:09.819 --> 01:22:12.779 than the Israel of today. God's chosen people 01:22:12.779 --> 01:22:15.939 in the Bible refers to his people who believe 01:22:15.939 --> 01:22:18.300 the new covenant was brought by Jesus Christ. 01:22:18.420 --> 01:22:21.239 It was taken away as in the Bible says from those 01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:24.100 who only spoke the words and the hypocrites and 01:22:24.100 --> 01:22:26.859 to align with a Zionist state and you can see 01:22:26.859 --> 01:22:28.920 by their fruits you shall know them the Zionist 01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:31.100 state is a murderous state it always has been 01:22:31.100 --> 01:22:33.460 and to align with them and to make that possible. 01:22:33.739 --> 01:22:35.300 I believe the spiritual consequence is going 01:22:35.300 --> 01:22:37.579 to come to the United States. I digressed a little 01:22:37.579 --> 01:22:39.340 bit there, but you brought all that to my mind. 01:22:39.779 --> 01:22:42.359 So my second to last question for you, Christine, 01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:45.979 is how do you view Vladimir Putin just as a man? 01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:48.420 Because we hear a lot of evil things in the West 01:22:48.420 --> 01:22:51.000 about what he's done, the horrible assassinations 01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:53.979 on his opponents, what was it he was being nuclear 01:22:53.979 --> 01:22:56.020 material and drinks and people were drinking 01:22:56.020 --> 01:22:59.159 them and stuff. How do you view him and how do 01:22:59.159 --> 01:23:01.420 you think the rest of the world outside of like 01:23:01.420 --> 01:23:03.920 the E. in the United States? Good question. First 01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:06.760 of all, it could be a show in itself. First of 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:10.220 all, the war crimes, atrocities, and everything 01:23:10.220 --> 01:23:13.659 that they apply to both the Russians during this. 01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:16.039 I can tell you I've studied them all. I know 01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:18.260 we're going to wrap up here. But whether you're 01:23:18.260 --> 01:23:20.180 talking about Buccia, you take a look at the 01:23:20.180 --> 01:23:22.659 Crocus City Hall, the mass murders that came 01:23:22.659 --> 01:23:25.439 from Ukraine. The telephones proved it. The cryptocurrency 01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:27.539 that was paid from Ukraine to those who came 01:23:27.539 --> 01:23:30.340 into a huge music hall and murdered, I think, 01:23:30.380 --> 01:23:33.529 about 150. 49 children. It was a children's concert 01:23:33.529 --> 01:23:35.729 going on, a youth concert, and their families. 01:23:36.090 --> 01:23:38.229 Bucha was completely staged. I'm just going to 01:23:38.229 --> 01:23:40.550 quickly touch upon this. Some of the dark lies 01:23:40.550 --> 01:23:43.069 that we have been told. I watched as the mayor 01:23:43.069 --> 01:23:45.409 of Bucha came through after the Russian troops 01:23:45.409 --> 01:23:48.510 withdrew, for example, and there was no bodies 01:23:48.510 --> 01:23:51.010 in the street. Give it a day or two after we've 01:23:51.010 --> 01:23:52.949 all seen that it wasn't, and then they suddenly 01:23:52.949 --> 01:23:55.029 start appearing. But what I'm saying is even 01:23:55.029 --> 01:23:57.829 you're talking about Putin and the stories about 01:23:57.829 --> 01:23:59.729 them, they are laughable. I actually studied 01:23:59.729 --> 01:24:01.890 10 of them. Many years ago, frankly, I was very 01:24:01.890 --> 01:24:03.949 interested in each and every one of those cases. 01:24:03.989 --> 01:24:06.229 I'm not going to go into them now with you guys, 01:24:06.449 --> 01:24:08.810 but aside from one or two that I just didn't 01:24:08.810 --> 01:24:11.170 have enough information fully to go into. And 01:24:11.170 --> 01:24:14.189 even to that degree, I feel all of them to be 01:24:14.189 --> 01:24:16.270 false narratives from the West. A lot of these 01:24:16.270 --> 01:24:18.529 people had a lot of enemies. And I would even 01:24:18.529 --> 01:24:21.090 say that there was one death that happened in 01:24:21.090 --> 01:24:24.250 Germany where a person was assassinated by a 01:24:24.250 --> 01:24:27.010 Russian there. That man was reported in the West 01:24:27.010 --> 01:24:29.350 as if it was just some person living in Germany. 01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:32.300 and had come from Russia, but he had committed 01:24:32.300 --> 01:24:34.840 a mass atrocity in Russia, which we were all 01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:37.119 aware of, I believe, laying down, I think it 01:24:37.119 --> 01:24:39.739 may have been Russian soldiers all in line and 01:24:39.739 --> 01:24:41.659 then running, getting his vehicle and running 01:24:41.659 --> 01:24:44.180 back and forth over them. So he ends up shot 01:24:44.180 --> 01:24:46.640 in Germany, but they don't tell you what that 01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:49.199 man had done that had offended, to say the least, 01:24:49.479 --> 01:24:51.760 many Russians to Putin. So I'm just saying a 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:53.939 lot of the stories would make for a whole show 01:24:53.939 --> 01:24:56.520 in itself. I'd love to address anything you guys 01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:58.539 would bring up to me, but in terms of Putin, 01:24:58.539 --> 01:25:01.460 And I would say overall, I've studied, I've really 01:25:01.460 --> 01:25:04.239 watched the man for decades now. And I would 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:08.560 say that he is, I'd call him, and I am very particular 01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:11.279 about who I would say this about. I'm an American 01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:14.760 and I've seen how religion is used to get support 01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:17.000 from the people when they're so far from being 01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:18.960 a Christian in this country. But I would say 01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:20.960 I believe him to be a sincere Christian, even 01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:23.899 completely out of the public eye, even on his 01:25:23.899 --> 01:25:26.640 vacations, even when he goes to the far, if it's 01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:28.960 Pascha, which is the Russian Easter. He will 01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.899 even go to a tiny village church to be able to 01:25:31.899 --> 01:25:34.279 have communion. He doesn't have to do that. There's 01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:37.060 a lot of stories it does. It really seems that 01:25:37.060 --> 01:25:39.460 he takes to heart his Christianity. I don't think 01:25:39.460 --> 01:25:41.460 it's for show. I think it's deeply personal. 01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:43.560 There's a lot of people, even in some of the 01:25:43.560 --> 01:25:45.699 most remotest villages, that can tell you about 01:25:45.699 --> 01:25:47.960 their experiences with him. And there's no cameras 01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:49.600 there, but there are people that you can speak 01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:52.760 with. His actions reflect, I'd say, a morality 01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:54.979 that is most certainly Christian. As the leader 01:25:54.979 --> 01:25:57.729 of Russia, he's been a great leader. He rebuilt 01:25:57.729 --> 01:25:59.590 the Russian economy. This is why the people of 01:25:59.590 --> 01:26:02.750 Russia love him. During the time of after Gorbachev 01:26:02.750 --> 01:26:05.310 and it was horrible and all of the Americans 01:26:05.310 --> 01:26:08.130 coming in and just really very destructive, I 01:26:08.130 --> 01:26:10.850 would say in terms of the society there and a 01:26:10.850 --> 01:26:13.470 collapse economically and then going into Yeltsin 01:26:13.470 --> 01:26:16.609 and all of that. Putin came in very strong and 01:26:16.609 --> 01:26:19.449 got rid of a lot of the oligarchs that were profiting 01:26:19.449 --> 01:26:21.890 from all of that. They didn't expect that. United 01:26:21.890 --> 01:26:23.949 States didn't expect that either. He rebuilt 01:26:23.949 --> 01:26:26.189 the Russian economy and of course their army. 01:26:26.189 --> 01:26:29.250 and their industry because they were in ruins. 01:26:29.390 --> 01:26:31.590 People suffered. You talk to women and families 01:26:31.590 --> 01:26:34.310 and they had children and what it was like at 01:26:34.310 --> 01:26:37.109 the time of the Soviet collapse. And by the time 01:26:37.109 --> 01:26:40.310 when Putin finally came, he just restored. He 01:26:40.310 --> 01:26:42.609 restored them economically and their lives and 01:26:42.609 --> 01:26:45.090 their dignity and their sovereignty as a nation. 01:26:45.229 --> 01:26:47.430 And so he began immediately reducing poverty 01:26:47.430 --> 01:26:51.050 and improving the living standards, just modernizing 01:26:51.050 --> 01:26:53.090 the infrastructure. And I'll tell you, for anyone 01:26:53.090 --> 01:26:55.550 that hasn't been to Russia, it is absolutely 01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:58.180 It's absolutely a magnificent place if you visit 01:26:58.180 --> 01:27:00.359 Moscow. It's nothing like the United States. 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:02.939 The Metro, which was begun by Stalin, actually, 01:27:02.939 --> 01:27:05.439 and you see the beauty of it. He actually wanted 01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:07.899 Moscow to be the most beautiful city for the 01:27:07.899 --> 01:27:09.840 people. He said he doesn't want it to be in a 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:12.420 museum. He wants all the people. Russia has continued 01:27:12.420 --> 01:27:15.159 that. Putin continues that. Absolutely beautiful 01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:18.500 Metro stations and art everywhere. There's so 01:27:18.500 --> 01:27:21.119 much available to people. Exercise, I'll just 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:23.579 tell you. I care about physical fitness a lot, 01:27:23.699 --> 01:27:25.579 but in the United States, You either have your 01:27:25.579 --> 01:27:27.739 own exercise equipment and room in your home, 01:27:27.739 --> 01:27:29.899 as I do, or else you got to pay and go somewhere. 01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:32.220 In Russia, wherever you live, even the smaller 01:27:32.220 --> 01:27:34.560 villages, that's all provided to you. There's 01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:36.899 so much great equipment. It's like a, it's a 01:27:36.899 --> 01:27:39.760 national good and priority, the health and the 01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:41.859 happiness of the people. So I'd say the people 01:27:41.859 --> 01:27:44.680 are very much behind him. He rebuilt the country. 01:27:44.739 --> 01:27:47.279 He saved the country, in fact. And as a global 01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:50.060 figure, you asked, I would say he was respected 01:27:50.060 --> 01:27:52.899 and appreciated in the majority of the world. 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:55.000 And that's difficult for - Americans to grass 01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:57.640 because we're talking about Africa, the global 01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:00.479 South, they are being given hope through bricks 01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:03.619 and through interactions, not from exploitation, 01:28:03.819 --> 01:28:06.180 manipulation. You do this or else you think about 01:28:06.180 --> 01:28:09.520 how the U S gained so much control in the Balkans 01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:11.340 and everything is coming with their money. You 01:28:11.340 --> 01:28:13.859 do this, but if you corporate with at the time 01:28:13.859 --> 01:28:16.319 Soviet Union or now Russia, we won't give you 01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:18.779 this money, but that's not how Russia and particularly 01:28:18.779 --> 01:28:21.539 Russia is operating. They're bringing education 01:28:21.539 --> 01:28:24.350 and food to people who have been suffering from 01:28:24.350 --> 01:28:26.789 colonialism. So I'd say when you include the 01:28:26.789 --> 01:28:30.189 global South, it's seen as a balance to the US 01:28:30.189 --> 01:28:33.229 hegemony and domination and exploitation of people. 01:28:33.569 --> 01:28:36.529 So he's viewed, Putin is viewed as stabilizing 01:28:36.529 --> 01:28:39.409 and amidst all the chaos, it's like bringing 01:28:39.409 --> 01:28:42.170 hope to other people that the world is changing 01:28:42.170 --> 01:28:44.710 and the world is changing. It's going to be a 01:28:44.710 --> 01:28:47.390 multipolar world and the sooner the United States 01:28:47.390 --> 01:28:50.229 recognizes it and it can start doing better economically, 01:28:50.609 --> 01:28:52.770 certainly Europe, like those fools. They are 01:28:52.770 --> 01:28:54.949 letting their people suffer for no reason. Russia 01:28:54.949 --> 01:28:56.909 poses no threat. And I say this objectively, 01:28:57.029 --> 01:28:59.210 Russia poses no threat to the rest of the world, 01:28:59.369 --> 01:29:03.130 but they seriously can destroy anyone who attacks 01:29:03.130 --> 01:29:05.390 them. But I think they only want peace. And to 01:29:05.390 --> 01:29:07.890 me, in my study of history and recent history, 01:29:08.050 --> 01:29:10.189 that's all that they want. And BRICS is proof 01:29:10.189 --> 01:29:12.569 of that. Yeah. Thank you for that. As we close 01:29:12.569 --> 01:29:14.970 tonight, what do you want to leave the audience 01:29:14.970 --> 01:29:17.569 with? Ray, what impression, what lasting impression 01:29:17.569 --> 01:29:19.670 do you want to leave with us? Thank you. First 01:29:19.670 --> 01:29:22.140 of all, I want to thank you, Dave. David and 01:29:22.140 --> 01:29:24.880 Jay for having me. I thank our audience for listening. 01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:28.140 I would ask that they have no knee -jerk reactions 01:29:28.140 --> 01:29:30.539 to anything that I have spoken, because anything 01:29:30.539 --> 01:29:32.939 that I have shared with you is completely supported 01:29:32.939 --> 01:29:35.520 and bustraced by the facts when you study them. 01:29:35.579 --> 01:29:37.960 But it's a very uncomfortable feeling when you 01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:42.300 start to realize that your country is operating 01:29:42.300 --> 01:29:44.619 actually as a terrorist state on the rest of 01:29:44.619 --> 01:29:46.960 the world. And that's what it's doing in Ukraine, 01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:48.880 Russia, but it's what it's doing. You take a 01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:52.340 look at Venezuela. topic and Americans immediately 01:29:52.340 --> 01:29:54.779 think they know what's going on there, but they 01:29:54.779 --> 01:29:57.039 don't know. And I'm telling you that there are 01:29:57.039 --> 01:29:59.479 decades of the covert operations and what is 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:01.920 going on all for American hegemony. Just put 01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:04.500 aside those reactions as an American. You love 01:30:04.500 --> 01:30:07.069 your family. You love your country. But it's 01:30:07.069 --> 01:30:09.369 not my country right or wrong. It should be, 01:30:09.510 --> 01:30:11.729 I'm with my country when it is right and not 01:30:11.729 --> 01:30:13.710 when it is wrong. And that is the only way we're 01:30:13.710 --> 01:30:15.689 going to change things. It's not a matter of 01:30:15.689 --> 01:30:18.130 left versus, it's a matter of right versus wrong. 01:30:18.189 --> 01:30:21.130 And to do that, take study. It takes research. 01:30:21.210 --> 01:30:23.289 And I'm telling you everything that I've said 01:30:23.289 --> 01:30:25.890 to you, which is based on many years of study, 01:30:25.930 --> 01:30:29.109 but it is all supported by the facts, the archives, 01:30:29.109 --> 01:30:31.250 and just looking at the history of it. Don't 01:30:31.250 --> 01:30:34.050 listen to your leaders and your media, who is 01:30:34.050 --> 01:30:36.500 controlled really by the government. back a few 01:30:36.500 --> 01:30:38.760 decades now, and what they're telling you is 01:30:38.760 --> 01:30:41.760 what they want you to think. But unfortunately, 01:30:41.939 --> 01:30:44.520 the United States is the aggressor worldwide. 01:30:44.619 --> 01:30:47.159 And I think most Americans really, they just 01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:49.920 want peace. They want adequate education, food, 01:30:50.020 --> 01:30:52.220 a good life for themselves, a good job. They 01:30:52.220 --> 01:30:55.300 just want that is not those in power want for 01:30:55.300 --> 01:30:58.020 you. And so don't defend them any longer and 01:30:58.020 --> 01:31:01.359 seek out some sources. Go read some of the resources 01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:04.159 that I spoke of earlier. It is out there if you 01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:06.140 look. Do not believe you're getting the truth 01:31:06.140 --> 01:31:09.300 when a US politician, no matter who it is, small 01:31:09.300 --> 01:31:11.699 level or large. level is speaking to you. And 01:31:11.699 --> 01:31:14.060 do not believe the media spin. Because when I 01:31:14.060 --> 01:31:16.800 watch US news, I watch news from quite a few 01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:19.380 countries. I like to see how they're all reporting 01:31:19.380 --> 01:31:22.260 things. It is so biased in terms of what the 01:31:22.260 --> 01:31:24.260 US government wants you to think. So just be 01:31:24.260 --> 01:31:26.699 willing to question as a Christian, truth is 01:31:26.699 --> 01:31:28.979 my highest priority. As a historian, truth is 01:31:28.979 --> 01:31:30.880 my highest priority. Make truth your highest 01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:32.880 priority. And if you don't know, don't choose 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:36.399 a side. Don't wave a blue and yellow flag on 01:31:36.399 --> 01:31:38.439 your little social media account when you don't 01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:40.859 know what the hell you're talking about. Just 01:31:40.859 --> 01:31:43.640 abstain and maybe seek out the truth. Because 01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:46.079 to align yourself with that which is evil, I 01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:48.600 think spiritually that does reflect upon you 01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:50.939 and your soul and your relationship to God. And 01:31:50.939 --> 01:31:53.439 so if you don't know, withhold judgment, don't 01:31:53.439 --> 01:31:55.859 choose sides, but I'm telling you, you can know. 01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:58.739 And there's plenty of opportunity for you to 01:31:58.739 --> 01:32:01.239 learn these days. So if you're ignorant, you're 01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:03.140 willfully ignorant. Change that. Yeah, that's 01:32:03.140 --> 01:32:05.079 a great response. Thank you for that. And as 01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:07.439 you mentioned, social media reminded me of two 01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:09.239 questions that I got from my audience today. 01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:12.979 So the first question was, is do you love the 01:32:12.979 --> 01:32:15.840 United States? And the second question was why, 01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:18.359 if you don't, or if you're like opposed to the 01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:20.479 United States, why do you remain here? Why don't 01:32:20.479 --> 01:32:22.539 you like move to Russia? And I don't mean that 01:32:22.539 --> 01:32:24.640 in any disrespect, I just bring what's in front 01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:27.500 of me today. All right, no disrespect taken by 01:32:27.500 --> 01:32:31.000 the question. The right questions. Do I love 01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:34.140 the United States? I would tell you that I love 01:32:34.140 --> 01:32:37.279 all people and none more than others in terms 01:32:37.279 --> 01:32:40.390 of love for them as my human brothers and sisters. 01:32:40.489 --> 01:32:43.989 I don't want to see Americans suffer, but I think 01:32:43.989 --> 01:32:46.329 that they're going to suffer a lot more. I actually 01:32:46.329 --> 01:32:48.489 think that those are the spiritual consequences 01:32:48.489 --> 01:32:50.649 for the evil that they have supported worldwide. 01:32:50.750 --> 01:32:53.489 They have never seemed to care about human life 01:32:53.489 --> 01:32:55.470 if it meant there was a benefit to the United 01:32:55.470 --> 01:32:59.750 States. I don't love the United States as a governmental 01:32:59.750 --> 01:33:02.710 entity. No, the United States to me represents 01:33:02.710 --> 01:33:05.649 the biggest terrorist nation in the world. And 01:33:05.649 --> 01:33:07.989 it took me a lot of years to to that understanding 01:33:07.989 --> 01:33:10.789 and to have to understand that there's no reconciliation 01:33:10.789 --> 01:33:13.210 when my beliefs as a Christian and what my government 01:33:13.210 --> 01:33:15.789 is doing in my name and with my money. I don't 01:33:15.789 --> 01:33:18.409 love the United States government. I do not love 01:33:18.409 --> 01:33:21.210 the United States above other countries as if 01:33:21.210 --> 01:33:24.670 I want this country to prevail if it means the 01:33:24.670 --> 01:33:27.210 exploitation of anyone else. Absolutely not. 01:33:27.270 --> 01:33:29.989 But I love the United States. When I talk about 01:33:29.989 --> 01:33:32.430 the people that are here, I do want the best 01:33:32.430 --> 01:33:35.149 for them. I want them to have the knowledge of 01:33:35.149 --> 01:33:37.420 God. I want them to have their families. And 01:33:37.420 --> 01:33:39.600 I see that the greatest threat to that is their 01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:42.579 actual government that they, ironically, sadly, 01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:46.000 actually support and don't ever, and there are 01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:49.479 those who do, but it has to change. And I fundamentally 01:33:49.479 --> 01:33:52.760 don't believe that there is a political solution 01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:55.159 to a spiritual problem. And the United States 01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:57.699 has a massive spiritual problem. It is doing 01:33:57.699 --> 01:34:00.739 the work of Satan in the world and most Americans 01:34:00.739 --> 01:34:03.380 actually align with it. And I'm asking you not 01:34:03.380 --> 01:34:06.140 to, even just for your own sake. to know the 01:34:06.140 --> 01:34:08.239 truth, as the Bible says, will set you free. 01:34:08.340 --> 01:34:11.300 And that will set you free from perhaps the repercussions 01:34:11.300 --> 01:34:13.319 that are going to come to the United States and 01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:15.359 the suffering. So no, I don't love the United 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:18.640 States as a government or as a political entity. 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:21.300 Only the people, as I love all of them, even 01:34:21.300 --> 01:34:23.699 the most evil politicians in this country. I 01:34:23.699 --> 01:34:26.340 love them, but I know that I believe God is not 01:34:26.340 --> 01:34:28.680 mocked and there's going to be repercussions. 01:34:28.819 --> 01:34:31.340 The country I love the most, yes, is Russia. 01:34:31.460 --> 01:34:33.779 And you said one of your listeners asked, if 01:34:33.779 --> 01:34:35.960 I don't love this country, which I don't in the 01:34:35.960 --> 01:34:38.380 way that people usually ask that question. Why 01:34:38.380 --> 01:34:41.680 do I remain? I'm only here at this time. Let's 01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:44.619 say pragmatically, there are a number of other 01:34:44.619 --> 01:34:47.600 good places in the world to live. I, of course, 01:34:47.619 --> 01:34:51.039 have my work and my family. However, you said 01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:53.399 no offense taken. Why don't I move to Russia? 01:34:53.699 --> 01:34:56.619 Actually, myself and my family are oriented and 01:34:56.619 --> 01:34:58.899 making our preparations because I believe that 01:34:58.899 --> 01:35:01.199 my family is going to have a much better life 01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:03.699 both in the immediate and in the future in Russia. 01:35:03.689 --> 01:35:07.090 So yes, I'm oriented and actively working toward 01:35:07.090 --> 01:35:09.710 that and I've gone quite a ways in that. Yeah. 01:35:10.229 --> 01:35:12.529 So no offense taken. It actually brought a smile 01:35:12.529 --> 01:35:15.010 to my face because I believe that is both my 01:35:15.010 --> 01:35:18.229 spiritual homeland and it is the people that 01:35:18.229 --> 01:35:20.989 have a society, I believe. that it more than 01:35:20.989 --> 01:35:24.189 any other evinces Christian principles, even 01:35:24.189 --> 01:35:26.270 though not everybody's a Christian, of course, 01:35:26.390 --> 01:35:28.729 but the way that it is governed is more Christian 01:35:28.729 --> 01:35:31.270 than any other. And your audience can do a little 01:35:31.270 --> 01:35:33.789 research on that, but your life is much better 01:35:33.789 --> 01:35:36.949 there in every way. So no offense taken. It is 01:35:36.949 --> 01:35:39.510 actually my orientation that I've done a lot 01:35:39.510 --> 01:35:42.670 toward already to be realized. Again, there are 01:35:42.670 --> 01:35:44.949 logistics involved that I am currently working 01:35:44.949 --> 01:35:47.329 on. So thank you for the question. I'm not offended 01:35:47.329 --> 01:35:51.859 at all. And more importantly, I really appreciate 01:35:51.859 --> 01:35:54.079 you coming on the show today. We've learned a 01:35:54.079 --> 01:35:56.539 ton of information. You're obviously very knowledgeable 01:35:56.539 --> 01:35:58.720 in the subject matter and very passionate about 01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:00.880 it. It's been really fun talking with you today 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:02.680 and spending some time together. It's been my 01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:05.239 pleasure. Your questions were great. Thank you 01:36:05.239 --> 01:36:08.039 for having me. I very much appreciated it. Be 01:36:08.039 --> 01:36:10.079 well. Christine, it was a pleasure. Thank you. 01:36:10.260 --> 01:36:12.079 Yeah, thank you so much. Until then, we are Zero 01:36:12.079 --> 01:36:20.020 Signal. We're out. and don't miss the next signal. 01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:22.279 Follow, subscribe, and spread the word. 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