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going to talk about a king who barely gets a

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line in the Bible and a tower of people have

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been arguing about for 3 ,000 years, Nimrod,

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the Tower of Babel, big names, bigger questions.

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Yeah, a tiny resume, a mighty hunter before the

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Lord, then the epic backstory explosion, empires,

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a adultery, a furnace, and the first conspiracy

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board meeting, Benidon, who tells me? Yeah, man.

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Well, unpacked scripture, the rabbinic frameworks,

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the archaeologists who point to ziggurats, and

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the internet detectives who swear Nimrod started

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the Illuminati. Spoiler, the Bible is a bit short

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on some of these details. The Illuminati, which,

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you know, makes the extra so interesting. Midrash

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turns a two -line genealogy into high drama.

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A rebel king, a city that tries to reach heaven,

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and a god who hits the reset button on human

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speech. It's a warning about pride and power

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and what happens when people try to make a name

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for themselves. Yeah, man. Imagine a plane in

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ancient Mesopotamia, mud brick and the smell

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of baked clay. People chanting in one language,

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hauling bricks up tall step towers, met to touch

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the sky. It's a literal engineering project.

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a symbolic warning, a political critique, or

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a gateway to heaven. And a lot of people ask,

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where does Nimrod fit in? Biblical geography

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puts his kingdom in Shinar, right in the Babel

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neighborhood. Later writers made him the architect,

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the tyrant, the inventor of idolatry, and sometimes

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the foil to Abraham. It's like the origin story

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for, don't trust the centralized power. Yeah,

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and we'll look at all those versions. We'll check

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out some of the text, and we'll ask some good

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modern questions. Which parts are ancient Pulmic,

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and which parts echo real Mesopotamian? an architecture

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like Edmund Nanky, and how did a footnote become

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a symbol for an empire in rebellion? Plus bonus

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round, why does Nimrod keep turning up in conspiracy

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lore? From Victorian pulmic to late night forums,

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he's been recast as everything from proto -Mason

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to a cult kingpin. We'll separate the entertaining

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stories from the credible claims. Yeah, so tonight,

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primary texts and tall tales, clay bricks and

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power plays, myth -making and modern myth -hunting.

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If you like history with a side of mystery, you're

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in the right place. So we're gonna talk. a little

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bit about Nimrod's genealogy. So, fun fact, he

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is the great -grandson of Noah. His grandfather

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was Ham and his father was Cush. So, this place

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is Nimrod post -flood. He is from the Hamite

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branch through Cush, later associated with kingdoms

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in the south and east. You're looking at Africa,

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Arabia, and Mesopotamia, depending on interpretations.

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So, look at a quick biblical description of Nimrod.

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He was the first mighty one on earth after the

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flood. He was known as a mighty hunter before

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the Lord, and he is largely considered the founder

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of the first cities and kingdoms. Looking at

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some of the Hebrew words assigned to him, so

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the word gibor in Hebrew translates to mighty

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one, and the meaning of that is warrior, champion,

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hero, strong man, and powerful ruler. But there's

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also another interesting kind of caveat to that,

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is that the word giborin, which is plural, is

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associated with giants, and we can delve into

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that a little bit deeper into the episode because

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there's some debate whether or not he was in

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fact a giant that could have come from his mother's

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genetic line, which I shy away from. But there's

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some interesting conspiracies where he may have

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transformed into a giant later in his role. It's

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interesting. The stories always come back to

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these giants, these fallen angels that procreated

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with women on earth and really established themselves.

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When we look at Nimrod from a Christian lens,

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it really starts in Genesis 10, sometimes called

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the Table of Nations. Out of that geology, a

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name really stands up, and that's Nimrod. Scripture

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calls him a mighty hunter before the Lord, and

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credits him with the first sinners of a real

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empire, Babel, Urek, Akkad, and Kelanah, in the

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land of Shiner. Then the text says, from the

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land he went to Assyria, and built Nadiya, Rehoboth,

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Kaula, and Rezin. In other words, Nimrod is not

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a campfire legend. He's the kind of leader who

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blends wilderness into city grids, who organizes

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labor, who sets stones and laws, and sends tax

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collectors into motion. Christians, through the

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centuries, have noticed the ambiguity of, baked

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really into those lines, mighty hunter before

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the Lord, can simply mean the Lord's sight, a

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man of renown. Some rabbis and church fathers,

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though, hear a grimmer nuance. Before, as in,

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in the face of, or in defiance of, a hunter of

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men, a consolidator who uses unity for control.

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The text doesn't gossip. It just gives you his

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portfolio and lets Babel supply the morale. That's

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pretty wise. Scripture often introduces power

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without varnish and then it shows what it does

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when tested by God's purpose. Here's why Nimrod

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matters for us here today. He's the archetype

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of the audacious founder. He gathers his people.

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He standardizes tools. He points at the horizon

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and says, there, charisma plus coordination equals

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Skyla. And that combination can bless or break.

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communities, really depending upon the aim. Dominion.

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what was found in Genesis 1 calling to a steward

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of creation can easily slide into domination.

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Nimrod's story invites us to ask sharper questions

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about every modern builder, the CEO, the mayor,

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the platform architect, the influencer, who can

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rally millions. What are they hunting? Who do

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their cities serve? And do their plans align

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with God's design to fill the earth with life,

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or to really compress it into one tower, one

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brand, and one name? Yeah, it's also interesting

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to see characters throughout other cultures who

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have a story that's very similar to Nimrod. You

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mentioned the city of Uruk and that is associated

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with Gilgamesh. So historians kind of date this

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writing right around the time that they associated

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the writing of Nimrod. So it's roughly 2700 to

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2500 BC. Gilgamesh is a semi -mythic king. I

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think many of us, many of our listeners have

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heard of Epic of Gilgamesh. I think it's the

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oldest known written myth out there. So the kind

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to frame it in a bit. So Gilgamesh is also labeled

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as a legendary hunter and warrior. He had superhuman

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strength. He was a city builder. And according

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to them, he was two thirds divine, one third

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human. So again, you look at maybe a parallel,

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maybe a hint to this mighty man, possibly a giant.

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And he was the king of Yorick, which is one of

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Nimrod's named cities. And he had similar accomplishments.

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He built massive fortified walls. He was a central

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figure in the oldest epic ever recorded. And

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he's a monster. He apparently slayed Kumbaba.

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He travels the world seeking immortality. And

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we'll get into some of the other stories about

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how Nimrod may have died, may not have died.

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There's that one floating out there. It's interesting.

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We'll touch on that a bit. And the city of Uruk

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had colossal ziggurats and ziggurats are step

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pyramids. They're not your typical pyramids that

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you may see in Egypt and maybe some other places.

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But like in South America, they had the step

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pyramids as well. And they had these temple complexes

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dedicated to the little G. gods Anu and Inanna.

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So that's interesting. In the epic of Gilgamesh,

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he's searching for immortality and he dies a

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hero, but he ultimately accepts his human limitation

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and passes on. There's also a story of Sargon

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the Great. Sounds like a character from the Lord

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of the Rings, but he is the king of the city

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of Akkad. And again, this story is placed between

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2300 BC. give or take. And it's according to

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the scholars, it's a fully historical narrative.

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So he was the first empire builder in human history.

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He rose from humble origins. And I would think

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back in that time, if we're looking at post -flood

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world with just a handful of people getting off

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the ark, I bet you could argue that the first

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few generations, everybody's coming from humble

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origins. And he is credited for unifying countless

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nations under one language administration. He

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mirrors the first mighty king archetype. Again,

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Gilgamesh, he founded the Akkadian empire. He

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conquered from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean

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Sea. He created the world's first standing army

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and he standardized the Imperial role. And again,

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he promoted temple and ziggurat construction

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across his empire. And in their story, he eventually

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dies of natural causes as well. And his empire

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ultimately fractures after him. What's interesting

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is after Genesis, Nimrod become something of

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a legend. Later in Jewish and Christian writings

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really flesh him out. as the symbol of empire,

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the man who took human unity and kind of turned

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it into that dominion. Some traditions describe

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him as the first world ruler, a tyrant who weaponized

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unity to consolidate power and lead rebellion

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against God. Others cast him as a brilliant civilized,

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bringing cities, laws, and organizations to chaos.

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The Bible doesn't give us much biographical detail,

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but these stories all kind of pivot around the

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same question. What happens when leadership forgets

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lordship? In Jewish midrash and later Christian

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commentary, Nimrod is often linked with Babel,

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the one rallying the people with the promise

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of strength and permanence. Least we be scattered

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is a famous saying. Some traditions even put

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him in direct opposition to Abraham, representing

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two worldviews, the kingdom of man and the kingdom

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of God. Whether or not those connections are

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literal, I do think they carry spiritual weight.

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To me, it's fascinating that Nimrod's name, once

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associated with might and success, later became

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a synonym for folly. The linguistics twist feels

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like poetry and justice, human greatness that

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ends with irony. For us, Nimrod becomes like

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that mirror. When we admire a builder or a leader,

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what exactly are we admiring? Vision and courage

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are good gifts, right? But detached from humility,

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they kind of drift into adultery. So when you

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see a headline about a billionaire promising

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to change the world or a government aiming to

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build back better, I think we remember Nimrod.

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Ambition itself isn't evil, but in scripture,

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ambition without surrender becomes rebellion

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dressed up as progress. That first empire was

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built on that trade -offs where we've been rebuilding

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ever since. Yeah, you brought up the Hebrew Midrash

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and there's an interesting story from the book

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of Jasher. In the Hebrew recounting of these

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tales, Esau, his story is intimately woven with

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Nimrod. If you look at it from the biblical point

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of view, the book of Jasher is apocryphal or

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extra canonical. In the Bible, there's really

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no correlation between Esau and Nimrod. Nimrod,

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he's mentioned very few times in the Bible. Most

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people who read the Bible know the story of Esau.

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Esau was the first born. Interesting kind of

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visual here. When Esau was born, he was born

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fully -haired and slightly red. So he was, can

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you imagine having a baby that comes out and

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it's red and hairy? What's been quite the - It

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sounds like a Scottish person from like the medieval

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times. Right. With the big axes. As the story

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goes, Esau is out in the field. He comes back

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and he trades his birthright for a bull - of

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soup. And there's some people out there that

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have some interesting theories and stories and

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a lot of them relate back to the Midrash. So

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according to the book of Jasher, after the death

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of Abraham, Esau frequently hunts in the fields.

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And he also was known as a great and mighty hunter.

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So he shared the same title with Nimrod. And

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you can draw the conclusion, they're probably

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rivals. They probably know about each other.

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And Nimrod grows jealous of Esau and ends up

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watching him closely. And on a particular day,

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both were out hunting in the wilderness. Nimrod

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separated from his main group and walks with

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two of his men and Esau hides and waits. So he

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ambushes them. He draws his sword and beheads

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Nimrod in a sneak attack. He ends up fighting

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and killing his two guards as they cry out for

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help. So that's how the Hebrews, according to

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Midrash, how Nimrod is killed. And so as Nimrod's

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mighty warriors hear these other guys crying

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out for help, they rushed toward the scene and

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Esau flees. He escapes with Nimrod's valuable

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garments and these are special clothes bequeathed

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by Nimrod's father. Kush, which, okay, so now

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we're floating all around biblical history here.

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According to Jewish Hebrew Midrash, when this

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is going to get really deep, so just bear with

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me here. And again, some of this is, I don't

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want to call it extra theological. It's not in

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the Bible, but there is some kind of foreshadowing.

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You can see it in between the line. We've all

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heard of the Joseph and his techno color dream

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coat, right? So the legend or the Midrash states

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that when the serpent, AKA Satan Lucifer, tempted

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Eve, and when they sinned, like their eyes were

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open and they were ashamed of their nakedness.

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According to the Midrash, Satan was wearing a

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garment that was given by God, and as one of

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the punishments, God took this garment from Satan,

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gave it to Adam, and this garment was passed

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down the line all the way down to Joseph. And

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that was the garment that Joseph was given to

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by his father, and his brothers got jealous because

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he was able to prophesy and talk to the animals

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and pretty crazy story. The conclusion here is

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that when Esau killed Nimrod, he took this garment

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from him. So after this fight, obviously He was

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exhausted. He was probably beat the heck and

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back. And he runs home to his brother, Jacob,

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declaring he's about to die and he sells his

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birthright for a bowl of lentil soup. So I assume

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at this point, he's just desperate. He's probably

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beaten up. He probably thinks he's about to die

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from his injuries or it's just a matter of time

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until these guards find him. And he's quoted

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as saying to his brother, what good is a birthright

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if I'm dead? I can't even inherit it. So at the

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age of according to the Hebrews, Nimrod was 215

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years old when he died. And this kind of led

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to the fragmentation. kingdom, which kind of

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goes back to some of these other stories we hear

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about from other cultures. Do you know upon his

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death at the age of 215 when he was decapitated

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by Esau, do you know if this was pre or post

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the fall of Babel? So that's unknown. So as we

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branch off later into the episode, at one point

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in time in my life, I thought God destroyed the

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Tower of Babel. But if you read the scripture,

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he just confuses the languages. So people stop

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building it. There are certain stories suggesting

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that the tower was supposed to be like 5 ,300

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feet in the air and I don't think they got near.

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that height. As we look through the archaeological

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record, the ziggurats during King Nebuchadnezzar's

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second time that were 91 meters tall. So you're

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looking at 200 plus or minus feet. So some of

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the assumption is that he just built on top of

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the ruins of the Tower of Babel. Other than him

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being a credit with commissioning the temple

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build, it's unknown if he died before the confusion

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of the languages or after. But like I said, in

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other tales, he dies of old age. Gotcha. Yeah.

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Since we talked. a little bit about Babel and

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it's one of the most famous stories in early

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Christian literature. So maybe we'll touch on

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it for a little bit for our audience that perhaps

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don't follow the Christian faith or don't have

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a deep understanding of it. But Nimrod's map

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of cities points to one plane, one people, and

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one project. Now the whole earth had one language

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and the same words at that time. They settle

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in Shiner and say, come let us make bricks and

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burn them thoroughly. That's ancient text speed.

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Uniform units fired hard, sealed with butanum

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perfect for going vertical. Then comes the mission

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statement. Let us build ourselves a city and

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a tower with its tops in the heaven and let us

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make a name for ourselves. Least we be scattered

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over the face of the whole earth. I think we

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pause there. Nothing that line says we want to

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worship. The verbs are urban. technological and

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repetitious. City, tower, name, control. And

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the last clause, lest we be scattered, rings

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against God's earlier blessing and command to

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be fruitful and fill the earth. In other words,

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the fear of scattering is a fear of mission.

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Rather than trusting God with dispersion as blessing,

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they pick consolidation as an insurance plan.

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It's a unity as an idol. Then the holy irony,

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the Lord came down to see the city and the tower.

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The tallest things human could dream still requires

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And what God says is pretty striking. This is

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only the beginning. Nothing they propose to do

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will now be impossible for them. Now, let's not

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panic about human skill. It's a diagnosis about

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the human heart. Power plus one language equals

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limitless capacity to go towards the wrong at

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scale. So God does two merciful things, really

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surgical things. He confuses their speech and

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he scatters them. Judgment, yes, but also protection.

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The break against totalizing projects becomes

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the gift of many tongues and of many places.

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I think two quick notes of imagination held humbly,

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not as like replacements for revelation. First,

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the text material details line up with what we

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know of Mesopotamia building, brick factories,

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mitten mortar, stage towers we call ziggurats.

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That doesn't prove every contour of our picture,

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but it helps listeners visualize the world the

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Bible is speaking about. Second, we have babbles.

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Making a name is the thread that runs through

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the whole Bible. God later says to Abram, I will

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make your name great, but as a promise received,

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not a monument achieved. Babel grabs. Abram trusts.

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One hoards unity. The other receives blessings

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to be a blessing. And I think for Christians,

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there's a grace -filled book end in Babel. In

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Acts two at Pentecost, the spirit doesn't erase

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languages. He lets everyone hear the mighty works

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of God in their own tongue. To me, this is not

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a return to one language. It's a unity through

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diversity, a foretaste of the redeemed humanity

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gathered from every tribe and language around

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the throne. Which means that the scatter of Genesis

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11 is not the end of the story. It's a guardrail

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that keeps us from worshiping our other towers

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while God writes really a better ending to our

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story. One city, the New Jerusalem, not built

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behind bricks, but given by His mercy. So you

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mentioned the Bible verse where God says nothing

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will be impossible for them. I've thought about

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that for a long time. What do you think He's

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saying or what do you think He's suggesting?

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Because I go back and forth on that because God

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can just, He can do whatever He wants to do,

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not... thousand years before, like he just wiped

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out the world in the flood. So when he says that,

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he's not saying that out of fear of man, of usurping

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God. What do you think he is suggesting with

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that statement? I'll give you my point of views

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or what I, a couple of things of what I think,

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but what do you make of that? It's a good question.

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I think first God acknowledges his creation.

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He created us to be architects here in this world,

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to act like him, to create and to achieve things.

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He also has a guided purpose and mission for

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us to create a unique and diverse world of many

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skin colors, of many races and ethnicities. And

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he doesn't want us to be siloed into one place.

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He wants us to spread out and become many within

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that. I think it's just a kind of acknowledgement

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that man is capable of, when I say man here,

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man and female, is capable of many things. Because

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God created us to be very powerful, to have dominion

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over this world. But should our creation lead

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a foul to God's design? Then I think we're in

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trouble, man. And guys, when God steps in and

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says, you know what? You guys aren't going to

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speak the same tongue. I analyze that more from

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a modern perspective than probably people did

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back in the day. What's ironic, right? We're

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talking about the Tower of Babel. And when you

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look at, you know, what some people say actually

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how tall it was. When I used to dream about the

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Tower of Babel and you think it would be like

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reaching the space and the heavens and all that.

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And many people say it was only about 25 stories

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tall. Like it was tall, but it wasn't like crazy

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tall in modern comparison. Now you look at all

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the things that we have today, artificial intelligence,

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the internet, many of these things are reunite

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in our language because they can translate in

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real time. And it makes me think like maybe he

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was trying to stop that from happening back then.

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Perhaps he was referencing that from back then.

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Cause look how much evil has come by uniting

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our tongues. A lot of evil stuff, false tongues,

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lying. prostitution, pornography, any kind of

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the crazy stuff that you could think of today

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is done online and done on the dark web. All

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this evil is coming about. So I wonder if it

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was a future acknowledgement of what would happen

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as you march more towards revelations instead

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of genesis of destruction of the world for a

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second time. So perhaps he was trying to eliminate

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that tying the whole world narrative that we

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have together today. Yeah. I'm on the same page

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with you. I think when he says there's nothing

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would be impossible for them, he's not saying

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that out of fear of somehow. I was getting into

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heaven taking it over. I think he's referencing,

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I think you have to look at it, you know, post

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-flood and then... end of days. I'm sorry, pre

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-flood and end of days. So pre -flood, I am convinced

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that everyone spoke the same language. And I

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think you can make the inference here that after

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everyone got off the arc and started to procreate

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again, everyone spoke the same dialect. Why else

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would he have to confuse the languages if they

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didn't? So I think what he was doing was he was

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watching and knowing that if he didn't... confused

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the languages. Then you're going to go back under

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into that immediate one world government. You

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have Nimrod here trying to create an empire.

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He's a mighty hunter and a mighty man, and he's

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doing it out of pure physical prowessness. I

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think God's thinking, like, I, this can't happen

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yet. I don't want this to happen yet. And if

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I allow it, then we're just going to go right

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back into what existed before. One world government,

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one language. So by confusing the languages,

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it made people kind of branch off into Africa,

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Asia, Europe. And it's interesting how each part

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of the world has its own ethnicity. You have

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like black people in Africa, you have Asian people

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out in Asia, you have the whites in Europe, and

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then you have the Native Americans out in North

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America and South America. And it's interesting,

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it seems like they... broke off and then through

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natural selection and the climates that they

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lived in, they expressed certain genes and certain

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pigmentation. But I agree with you. I think it

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was to keep this whole one world type government

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and one person from oppressing everyone. And

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by splitting us up, he allowed culture and diversity

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to thrive. And we saw later in the Bible, after

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Babel, we saw Sodom and Gomorrah. And this was

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another large and mighty cities that existed

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that got eventually destroyed. And the reason

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why he destroyed it was because so many people

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were together and they were doing some really

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evil, bad stuff within that city. And it was

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detestable to God. So it seems like when we started

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getting a lot of collective of people together

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that speak the same language, they start serving

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different masters versus serving God. And that

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seems to always build up problems. Like God's,

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if you continue down this pathway where you're

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surrounded by all these evil works and all these

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evil deeds, you're going to run right into the

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grave and then eventually make your way into

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hell. We see it. the kind of story repeating

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and the warning coming along as well. Yeah. It's

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also interesting that the Hebrew Midrash, one

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of his reasons for building the Tower of Babel

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was to quote unquote, make a name and to avoid

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the scattering. So after everyone got off the

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flood and they started repopulating, God said,

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go out and settle, like get away from each other

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and make your own cultures. And it almost seemed

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like Nimrod wanted everyone to stick around to

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avoid that kind of separation. And it's also

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interesting because According to certain rabbis,

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the stories, and these stories are all over the

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place. It's just not in Hebrew or Middle Eastern

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culture, but even the Irish have them. And to

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a certain extent, Asians and even, oh yeah, here

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in the Americas. But there's suggestions that

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giants or Nephilim descendants help make these

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ziggurats or the pyramids. by moving the bricks

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that were made and in holding. So ultimately

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what happens is the construction of Babel just

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completely stops and then nobody can talk to

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each other. So nobody can get together and make

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sense of what to do anymore. Like the leadership

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structure is just destroyed because of the lack

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of communication. It's also, I heard this other

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guy, I don't know, a couple of years ago, I wish

00:24:33.450 --> 00:24:35.650
I remembered his name. I don't believe it, but

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he suggests that pre Babel, everybody could communicate

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telepathically. I don't believe that. per se.

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And he suggests when God confused the languages,

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he took that ability to communicate telepathically

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and people were forced to branch off and create

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their own languages in order to survive and communicate

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and work together. That's interesting. I've heard

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that before. I don't know that there's much evidence

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to say that was true, but it is interesting.

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I think when you look at the local Mesopotamia

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worldview, a ziggurat wasn't an act of rebellion.

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It was like an act of order. They called these

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towers stairways for of the gods, this literal

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bridge between heaven and earth. This city of

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Babylon, like others in the era, the era in Iraq,

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were mapped around the ideal, a sacred center

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where the divine could come down and bless the

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land. Ritual processions wound through the streets

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towards the base of these towers and priest ascended

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ramps carrying offerings, believing they were

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keeping the world aligned with heaven. At the

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summit set a small temple. It was elevated and

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very quiet, Mitnafer crowd. but really for the

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presence, a symbolic dwelling place of a god.

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To Mesopotamian eyes, this was harmony and hubris.

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There weren't storming heaven in their theology.

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They were creating cosmic order through architecture.

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Now, that's what makes the biblical critique

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so profound. The same structure that one culture

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saw as aligning earth with heaven, scripture

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portrays as mankind's attempt to take heaven

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by strategy rather than by grace, and the tower

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becomes a monument, not to worship, but to control.

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In other words, building different theology.

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As Christians, we can see God's wisdom in that

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contrast. It's a reminder of the heart motive

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matters more than the blueprint. And then I think

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in human unity can really glorify God or glorify

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yourself. And that tension, that pull between

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coordination and control, between reverence and

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self praise, it shows up in every modern project

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from mega cities to mega servers. I don't think

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that question has changed, are we building a

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bridge for God's glory or a platform for our

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own name? And that's what I really see with Nimrod's

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story from, obviously I study a lot from the

00:26:43.910 --> 00:26:46.690
Christian biblical lens, but it seems like Nimrod

00:26:46.690 --> 00:26:49.349
was out to make a name for himself and not to

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make a name for God. And usually when you do

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that, you're led afoul. Yeah. I want to kind

00:26:54.069 --> 00:26:56.650
of circle back to this Gilgamesh and Nimrod parallel.

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And we touched on the confrontation between Esau

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and Nimrod, but the epic of Gilgamesh has something

00:27:02.730 --> 00:27:05.769
very similar. So obviously the hero in that epic

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is Gilgamesh, but he also has an ally, a friend

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named Enkidu and they team up with each other.

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Enkidu is described as all things, a hairy nature

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of tune figure who's very reminiscent of Esau's

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hairy description in Genesis. And they set out

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to slay Humbaba. Humbaba is a giant guardian

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of the cedar forest appointed by the gods. And

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again, it's an ambush that happens in the remote

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wilderness. They end up beheading this Humbaba

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and the subsequent divine consequence is Enkidu's

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death. So this is a direct mirroring of Esau's

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hidden attack on Nimrod during the hunt, leading

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to Esau getting exhausted and giving up his birthright.

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So both stories involve challenging a powerful

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type being and acquiring a symbol of power. So

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in the story of Gilgamesh, it's cedar treasure

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versus Adam's garments. So that's interesting

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that two close cultures share a similar story.

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It's interesting because it would make sense

00:28:03.210 --> 00:28:06.089
for one side to say, my guy won, and the other

00:28:06.089 --> 00:28:08.950
side to say, the other guy died. That's, what

00:28:08.950 --> 00:28:12.000
do they say, the victor's right history. this

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epic of Gilgamesh and they claim Enkidu dies

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and not Nimrod. There's also the story of Hercules

00:28:18.019 --> 00:28:21.460
and the Nemen lion. So Hercules, divine hero

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and skilled hunter, slays the invincible lion

00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.359
in an ambush and then skins it to where it's

00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.079
hide is invincible armor. So this kind of parallels

00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:32.549
Esau's theft of Nimrod's valuable garments. grant

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dominion over animals and his strength. So Hercules'

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labors are imposed by the king at the time. I'm

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not even going to try to say his name because

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he's Greek and I didn't practice it before I

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started this podcast. Here again, we have a tyrannical

00:28:45.309 --> 00:28:49.009
ruler that he has an indirect rivalry with. He's

00:28:49.009 --> 00:28:52.569
echoing Nimrod as this despotic, slain king killed

00:28:52.569 --> 00:28:54.509
by a rival hunter. These are all interesting.

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There's also set in Osiris in Egyptian mythology.

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So we're going to just talk about the parallel

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elements here in the key. differences. So Set,

00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.359
he's a chaotic desert god associated with hunting

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and red hair. Similar to Esau. And he murders

00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:10.519
his brother Osiris. And Osiris is the fertile

00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:12.859
king and ruler akin to Nimrod's empire building.

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He does this out of jealousy and wilderness setting.

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And so he disassembles him and scatters his parts,

00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.839
not unlike being beheaded. There's also other

00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:24.200
Jewish midrashes that suggest that Esau cut Nimrod

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into 12 pieces and spread them around. Once Set

00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.359
kills Osiris, he temporarily gains power but

00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.680
is ultimately defeated by Horus, Osiris' son.

00:29:32.859 --> 00:29:35.420
Again, this is rivalry over kingship or street

00:29:35.420 --> 00:29:39.180
cred, and the inheritance parallels Esau slain

00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:42.220
in Nimrod with motifs of ambush and the transfer

00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:45.299
of divine authority. all interesting that you

00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:47.839
see this again, this underlying thread weaving

00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.319
all these things together. Yeah. To go back a

00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:51.700
little bit, you talked a little bit about it,

00:29:51.740 --> 00:29:54.920
about Gilgamesh and Nimrod. I think one of the

00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:58.220
more intriguing theories floating around that

00:29:58.220 --> 00:30:01.740
I saw on the alternative history forums and prophecy

00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:05.759
blogs is the claim that Nimrod and Gilgamesh

00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.039
were actually the same man. The reasoning goes

00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.359
something like this. Nimrod's cities include

00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:14.339
Erek. That's the Hebrew form. of Uruk, the great

00:30:14.339 --> 00:30:17.099
Sumerian city -state. Meanwhile, the epic of

00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:19.720
Gilgamesh held its hero as the mighty king of

00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:21.920
Uruk, two -thirds divine and one -third man.

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Both figures are described as legendary builders,

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hunters, and rollers who pushed human limits

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and really challenged heaven itself. Early Assyrianologists

00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:34.779
working in the 1800s before the cuneiform was

00:30:34.779 --> 00:30:37.380
fully understood noticed this similarity. When

00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:40.460
George Smith and others first translated the

00:30:40.460 --> 00:30:44.119
tablets of the epic Gilgamesh, They misread one

00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:48.240
title as Isdumar and for a while speculated that

00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.940
this could be the biblical form of Nimrod. It

00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:53.180
was an understandable leap. Both names were wrapped

00:30:53.180 --> 00:30:56.359
in mystery, both towered over early Mesopotamian

00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.420
lore, and both embodied the restless human kind

00:30:59.420 --> 00:31:02.500
of drive for glory. Modern scholarship though

00:31:02.500 --> 00:31:05.579
tells A bit of a different story. Excavations

00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:08.579
and linguistic studies summarized in resources

00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:11.480
like the Maidan Project show that Gilgamesh is

00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.599
a composite mythic hero stitched together from

00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.299
memories of several Sumerian kings who ruled

00:31:17.299 --> 00:31:21.119
around 2700 BC. There he is part legend, part

00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.200
morality, representing humanity's struggle with

00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.160
morality and these divine limits. Nimrod, on

00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:29.759
the other hand, stands in scripture as a real

00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.619
post -flood figure. presented within Israel's

00:31:32.619 --> 00:31:35.180
genealogies and moral history. His life isn't

00:31:35.180 --> 00:31:37.880
a myth, it's a message. And I think that overlap

00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.539
between them is something about identity. It's

00:31:40.539 --> 00:31:43.099
about the arch type. Every culture remembers

00:31:43.099 --> 00:31:45.740
a mighty builder who tried to rise above the

00:31:45.740 --> 00:31:48.819
gods and every culture tells how that story ends.

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And that's where the parallel becomes spiritually

00:31:52.220 --> 00:31:55.000
powerful. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, the hero

00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.140
searches for immortality and then he fails. He

00:31:58.140 --> 00:32:00.900
learns that no wall, no city, no achievement

00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:03.720
can make him live forever. And in Genesis 11,

00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.480
Nimrod's tower stands as humanity's collective

00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.000
attempt to achieve the same thing, to make the

00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.720
name that cannot die. Both stories pulse with

00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.339
the same heartbeat, the human hunger for eternal

00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:17.259
meeting without kind of this eternal grace. But

00:32:17.259 --> 00:32:20.099
scripture ultimately completes the story, the

00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:23.660
myths only begin. Where Gilgamesh fails and Nimrod

00:32:23.660 --> 00:32:26.720
falls, Christ succeeds. He offers that immortality

00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.200
they sought, not by climbing a tower to heaven,

00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.750
but by by bringing heaven down to us. The Tower's

00:32:31.750 --> 00:32:35.509
builder story ends in confusion and the Redeemer's

00:32:35.509 --> 00:32:37.769
story ends in resurrection. And I think that's

00:32:37.769 --> 00:32:40.210
the final contrast about these two characters

00:32:40.210 --> 00:32:43.230
is where both of these mighty men, perhaps they

00:32:43.230 --> 00:32:45.609
existed in different forms failed, Christ succeeded

00:32:45.609 --> 00:32:47.390
and he brought heaven on earth to us because

00:32:47.390 --> 00:32:50.490
he lives within us and we embody him if we are

00:32:50.490 --> 00:32:52.849
sanctified and saved. But I thought it was interesting

00:32:52.849 --> 00:32:55.029
that some people thought, as you mentioned a

00:32:55.029 --> 00:32:56.930
little bit earlier, that these two people could

00:32:56.930 --> 00:33:00.230
perhaps be the same man. just kind of revisit

00:33:00.230 --> 00:33:05.319
some of the multicultural renditions of Nimrod's

00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:08.380
death. So Islam has one as well. The story is

00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:10.779
Nimrod, again, a tyrannical king who claimed

00:33:10.779 --> 00:33:13.900
divinity and persecuted Abraham. I'll touch on

00:33:13.900 --> 00:33:16.819
that story here after I run through this. But

00:33:16.819 --> 00:33:18.759
Nimrod defies God by building the tower to reach

00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.440
heaven and even shooting arrows at the sky. And

00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.519
in response, in Islamic tradition, Allah sends

00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.279
his form of mosquitoes, or particularly a single

00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.400
mosquito, to enter Nimrod's nostril and burrow

00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.720
into his brain. In a tormentsome for a year,

00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.859
some say 40, some say 400 driving him mad and

00:33:35.859 --> 00:33:37.700
he gets so bad to the point he begs for death

00:33:37.700 --> 00:33:39.799
and he strikes his own head with a hammer and

00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.599
ultimately perishes from I guess the hammer strike

00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:47.160
so again multiple renditions of Nimrod, Gilgamesh,

00:33:47.339 --> 00:33:50.119
what have you, Sargon, and it ranges from being

00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.539
beheaded to having a mosquito burrow into your

00:33:52.539 --> 00:33:55.680
brain to hitting yourself with a hammer to old

00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.240
age. So you have all these stories and I wonder

00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.980
how many of them could be Nimrod and how many

00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:05.140
of them could be say his sons that maybe took

00:34:05.140 --> 00:34:08.280
control or some sort of extended family member

00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.380
that maybe was over a certain city and they're

00:34:11.380 --> 00:34:13.880
all being conflated to Nimrod. I don't think

00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.039
they all can be Nimrod. lean toward the Hebrew

00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.739
Midrash version, though we will get into something

00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:21.820
when we start touching on the conspiracy side.

00:34:21.980 --> 00:34:24.639
There is a, you ever hear of Gilgamesh's resurrection

00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:27.980
chamber? God, I don't even want to know. We'll

00:34:27.980 --> 00:34:29.760
save it from the end of the episode when we get

00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.099
to the conspiracy part. But yeah, I've personally

00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:34.800
leaned toward the Hebrew Midrash, where again,

00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.340
it's not in the canonical Bible, but there is

00:34:37.340 --> 00:34:41.139
Apocryphal, Pseudopigrapha, that there were books

00:34:41.139 --> 00:34:45.659
that were written sometime before Christ. interesting

00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:48.940
rabbitical texts in from the Babylonian Talmud

00:34:48.940 --> 00:34:51.719
is one of the most famous midrashim, often called

00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.119
Abraham in the idol shop, depicts young Abraham

00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.639
challenging his father's idolatry. So, Tara owns

00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.280
a shop selling statues of Ur of the Chaldeans.

00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:03.059
So, he's left in charge, Abraham smashes all

00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:05.179
but the largest idol with an axe, then places

00:35:05.179 --> 00:35:08.710
the axe in the remaining idol's hand. Tara returns

00:35:08.710 --> 00:35:12.530
and questions him. Abraham claims the idols fall

00:35:12.530 --> 00:35:15.130
over an offering, exposing their lifelessness.

00:35:15.409 --> 00:35:17.789
Furious, Tara brings Abraham before Nimrod for

00:35:17.789 --> 00:35:20.349
judgment. Abraham debates the king. He rejects

00:35:20.349 --> 00:35:22.369
the worship of the sun, moon, and idols in favor

00:35:22.369 --> 00:35:24.989
of the one true creator god. This kind of illustrates

00:35:24.989 --> 00:35:28.800
Abraham's early iconoclasm and logical rejection

00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.780
of polytheism, and showing how he discovers God

00:35:31.780 --> 00:35:33.900
through reason and observation to the world.

00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:36.679
Building upon the idol -smashing incident, Nimrod,

00:35:36.699 --> 00:35:39.380
who claims again to be divine himself, condemns

00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:41.900
Abraham to death in a massive fiery furnace,

00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:43.960
whereas we heard this, we heard this in Babylon,

00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.599
and it's like history is repeating itself here,

00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:50.000
and this furnace is located in Ur on the valley

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.219
of Dura. So Abraham's brother, Haran, is also

00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:55.440
implicated, and in some version, Haran wavers

00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.360
from his faith and is consumed by the flames

00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:59.780
when he jumps in after seeing Abraham unharmed.

00:35:59.900 --> 00:36:02.980
But anyway, either way, God intervenes, Nimrod

00:36:02.980 --> 00:36:06.679
puts Abraham into this furnace, and when Abraham

00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:09.940
steps in, it turns into a blooming garden and

00:36:09.940 --> 00:36:11.940
sending angels to fan him. So this allows for

00:36:11.940 --> 00:36:14.679
him to emerge unscathed after days of being in

00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.800
this blaze, and this miracle kind of converts

00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.800
all lurkers and humiliates Nimrod, who briefly

00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.960
acknowledges God, the one true God. But again,

00:36:24.099 --> 00:36:27.199
like Pharaoh, he relapses. So another story of

00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:29.900
face triumph over persecution. And we've seen

00:36:29.900 --> 00:36:34.250
this story of Daniel. in Daniel 3, where the

00:36:34.250 --> 00:36:37.170
three prophets are sent into the bull's belly

00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:39.730
furnace and they don't burn. Yeah, that's a good

00:36:39.730 --> 00:36:41.449
one. What I think is always interesting, right?

00:36:41.489 --> 00:36:43.250
Some people are going to say, I don't care what

00:36:43.250 --> 00:36:44.989
you're saying, Jay. You're just a crazy Christian

00:36:44.989 --> 00:36:46.889
and I don't believe any of that mumbo jumbo.

00:36:46.989 --> 00:36:50.309
But I think what's really spectacular is the

00:36:50.309 --> 00:36:53.329
story of Babel doesn't only live in text, it

00:36:53.329 --> 00:36:55.630
lives in artifacts that have traveled the world

00:36:55.630 --> 00:36:58.690
for the past two centuries. Since the 1800s,

00:36:58.909 --> 00:37:00.909
explorers and archaeologists have been digging

00:37:00.909 --> 00:37:03.219
through the plan - of Mesopotamia, pulling up

00:37:03.219 --> 00:37:06.579
tablets, seals, and inscribed bricks from ancient

00:37:06.579 --> 00:37:09.079
Babylon. These objects were scattered far and

00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:11.699
wide, some in museums, other in private collections,

00:37:12.219 --> 00:37:14.920
and a few even in the black market trade. What

00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.860
I saw was in recent years, this is really come

00:37:17.860 --> 00:37:21.320
full circle. Thousands of stolen or looted pieces,

00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:24.980
tablets, scrolls, and monumental fragments have

00:37:24.980 --> 00:37:28.480
been returned to Iraq, including the famous Gilgamesh

00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.880
dream tablet, which once sat in a private collection

00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:33.679
in the U .S. before being returned. Publications

00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.099
like the State Magazine have really covered these

00:37:36.099 --> 00:37:38.900
returns, which shine a light on the ongoing struggle

00:37:38.900 --> 00:37:41.820
over Providence and the paper trail of where

00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:44.440
artifacts come from and who rightfully owns them.

00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:48.280
There's something really poetic about the world's

00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:50.880
records of human pride and power being shuffled

00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.679
back to the rightful home and history kind of

00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:56.260
gets scattered and gathered. These recovered

00:37:56.260 --> 00:37:59.119
tablets aren't just museum pieces, they're confessions

00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.139
carved in clay. Reminders that empires rise and

00:38:02.139 --> 00:38:05.340
fall, but truth ultimately endures. And for us,

00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.219
that's more than archaeology. It's a quiet affirmation

00:38:08.219 --> 00:38:11.699
that God still knows where every fragment lies.

00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:13.619
So I just find it interesting. There's a lot

00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:16.019
of archaeological digs and I want to get into

00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:18.570
couple of the stories of people that tried to

00:38:18.570 --> 00:38:21.150
rebuild the tower itself. But I find it fascinating.

00:38:21.309 --> 00:38:22.630
So if you're a naysayer and you don't believe

00:38:22.630 --> 00:38:25.349
in Christianity, that's okay. There's still evidence

00:38:25.349 --> 00:38:27.769
that it existed. Yeah. So there's a interesting

00:38:27.769 --> 00:38:30.690
fellow by the name of Dr. Judd Burton. So this

00:38:30.690 --> 00:38:33.230
is a little bit of a backstory as to his profession.

00:38:33.389 --> 00:38:36.050
He's a historian, anthropologist, archaeologist,

00:38:36.210 --> 00:38:38.610
and the director of the Institute of Biblical

00:38:38.610 --> 00:38:42.829
Anthropology. So he's presented several alternative

00:38:42.829 --> 00:38:46.050
theories on the Tower of Babel in various podcasts

00:38:46.050 --> 00:38:49.690
and in his recent book. So he challenges the

00:38:49.690 --> 00:38:52.250
traditional placement of the Tower of Babel being

00:38:52.250 --> 00:38:54.590
in lower Mesopotamia, which is modern day Iraq

00:38:54.590 --> 00:38:57.210
and associated with Babylon. Instead, he thinks

00:38:57.210 --> 00:38:59.730
it's in the heart of Turkey, specifically tying

00:38:59.730 --> 00:39:03.250
it to the ancient. archaeological site of Gloubaki

00:39:03.250 --> 00:39:07.210
Tepe. So this proposal draws on biblical, apocryphal,

00:39:07.210 --> 00:39:10.090
and archaeological interpretations framing Gloubaki

00:39:10.090 --> 00:39:13.329
Tepe not as just the world's oldest known temple

00:39:13.329 --> 00:39:16.519
complex, but also post -flood hub for spiritual

00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:20.219
rebellion, ancestor deification, and possible

00:39:20.219 --> 00:39:23.199
influence from the Watchers, which are the fallen

00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:27.300
angels from Enoch. Burton suggests that the biblical

00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:31.119
land of Shinar in Genesis 11 refers to part of

00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.760
modern Turkey. So he suggests that this aligns

00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.440
with post -flood migration patterns from Mount

00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.519
Ararat also in Turkey, which makes sense if you

00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.059
think about it. If the ark did land on the top

00:39:41.059 --> 00:39:43.659
of Mount Ararat, you would think that civilization

00:39:43.659 --> 00:39:46.320
would have branched out from Turkey, not from

00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.980
Babylonia or Iraq, though they obviously made

00:39:48.980 --> 00:39:52.059
it there. So he sees Gulbek -i -Tepi dated to

00:39:52.059 --> 00:39:55.139
around 9 ,600 BC, shortly after the end of the

00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:57.820
last ice age. And he thinks this fits the timeline

00:39:57.820 --> 00:40:00.719
for early post -flood human activity, predating

00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.340
known misceitamian cigarettes by a couple thousand

00:40:03.340 --> 00:40:06.500
years. So he also draws the connections with

00:40:06.500 --> 00:40:09.280
the Watchers from apocryphal texts like the Book

00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.760
of Enoch. Burton suggests Gulbek -i -Tepi was

00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.130
influenced by the Watchers who taught for knowledge

00:40:14.130 --> 00:40:17.389
to humanity. He links this to Nimrod as the mighty

00:40:17.389 --> 00:40:20.409
hunter and Babel's builder. So he portrays the

00:40:20.409 --> 00:40:23.550
site as a center for occult practices aimed at

00:40:23.550 --> 00:40:25.989
defying God, similar to the tower's goal of reaching

00:40:25.989 --> 00:40:28.469
the heavens. So the site's burial, intentionally

00:40:28.469 --> 00:40:31.469
filled in around 8 ,000 BC, could symbolize divine

00:40:31.469 --> 00:40:34.030
intervention akin to the confusion of languages.

00:40:34.449 --> 00:40:38.090
It's also interesting to note that in the Midrash's,

00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:41.409
they say, I think, I could be wrong, I'm going

00:40:41.409 --> 00:40:44.510
off my memory, a third of the was destroyed by

00:40:44.510 --> 00:40:48.449
fire a third was left above ground and I can't

00:40:48.449 --> 00:40:50.469
remember what happened to the other third but

00:40:50.469 --> 00:40:53.110
this would line up with this midrash a bit he

00:40:53.110 --> 00:40:55.880
suggests that rather than mere communal site

00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:58.960
for worship or a hunting shrine, Burton interprets

00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.260
the site as a place for deifying the ancestors

00:41:02.260 --> 00:41:05.039
and to achieve immortality. The iconic kind of

00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.260
T -shaped pillars are seen as representations

00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:09.679
of deified figures like Adam, a link to the bull

00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:12.500
god Anu, and Eve tied to the fertility goddess.

00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:16.079
Animal carvings such as foxes and boars symbolize

00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.000
cosmic regeneration and resurrection rituals,

00:41:19.300 --> 00:41:21.880
reflecting humanity's attempt to regenerate the

00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.929
dead gods and to transcend mortality. paralleling

00:41:25.929 --> 00:41:29.170
Babel's theme of unified ambition against the

00:41:29.170 --> 00:41:32.909
divine order. That's a wild one. Yeah. So archeologically

00:41:32.909 --> 00:41:36.030
the site has massive stones circle, terrazo types

00:41:36.030 --> 00:41:40.230
floors, and has the use of early concrete, which

00:41:40.230 --> 00:41:42.670
are like essentially synthetic bricks and it

00:41:42.670 --> 00:41:45.829
matches Genesis. 11 .3's description of baked

00:41:45.829 --> 00:41:49.110
bricks and bitumen. So its age and complexity

00:41:49.110 --> 00:41:51.730
suggests advanced organization by hunter -gatherers,

00:41:51.829 --> 00:41:53.929
possibly inspired by supernatural knowledge.

00:41:54.030 --> 00:41:56.710
We go back to this influence of fallen angels

00:41:56.710 --> 00:41:59.130
and forbidden knowledge. What I think is interesting

00:41:59.130 --> 00:42:02.550
is people continue to seek it out before Christ

00:42:02.550 --> 00:42:06.190
and then even more towards modern times. Even

00:42:06.190 --> 00:42:09.030
Alexander the Great, at the height of his empire,

00:42:09.250 --> 00:42:11.769
he really couldn't resist the allure of Babylon's

00:42:11.769 --> 00:42:16.360
tower. He arrived there in 331 BC. Ancient sources

00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:19.099
say he was struck by the ruin of the great ziggurat.

00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.000
Its steps crumbled, its shrine long abandoned.

00:42:22.099 --> 00:42:24.699
And in true Alexander fashion, he ordered the

00:42:24.699 --> 00:42:27.119
whole thing demolished and rebuilt on a grander

00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.360
scale. Workers were set to clear the site of

00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.980
bricks by brick for reconstruction. But then

00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:35.239
Alexander fell ill and died before the project

00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.719
could actually begin. The dream of re -raising

00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.880
that tower died with him at that time. But if

00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.760
we fast forward a little bit. In the 1980s and

00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:49.019
1990s, Iraq's ruler Saddam Hussein launched one

00:42:49.019 --> 00:42:51.739
of the most controversial heritage programs of

00:42:51.739 --> 00:42:54.599
the modern Middle East, the reconstruction of

00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:57.579
ancient Babylon. What began as an archaeological

00:42:57.579 --> 00:43:01.179
restoration really turned into a political performance,

00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.360
a modern empire builder attempting to graft his

00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.260
image onto the legacy of the world's first. Saddam

00:43:07.260 --> 00:43:10.039
poured millions of dollars into rebuilding the

00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:12.389
ancient city walls, parts of Ishtar gate and

00:43:12.389 --> 00:43:15.530
even a palace overlooking the ruins in a deliberate

00:43:15.530 --> 00:43:18.949
echo of Nebuchadnezzar II. He ordered new bricks

00:43:18.949 --> 00:43:21.269
to be stamped with his own name, each reading,

00:43:21.349 --> 00:43:24.289
in the error of the victorious Saddam Hussein,

00:43:24.429 --> 00:43:26.829
the president of the Republic. May God preserve

00:43:26.829 --> 00:43:29.909
him. The great city of Babylon was rebuilt. That

00:43:29.909 --> 00:43:33.050
symbolism wasn't subtle. He cast himself as the

00:43:33.050 --> 00:43:36.210
new King of Kings, heir to Nebuchadnezzar's throne

00:43:36.210 --> 00:43:39.929
and reviver of the cradle of civilization. Archaeologists

00:43:39.929 --> 00:43:42.349
who later studied That site described the work

00:43:42.349 --> 00:43:45.889
as half restoration and half propaganda. The

00:43:45.889 --> 00:43:49.329
reconstruction blurred the line between conservation

00:43:49.329 --> 00:43:52.610
and invention, often layering fresh concrete

00:43:52.610 --> 00:43:55.409
and mortar brick directly over these fragile

00:43:55.409 --> 00:43:58.190
ancient foundations. Some ancient walls were

00:43:58.190 --> 00:44:00.690
rebuilt several feet higher than their original

00:44:00.690 --> 00:44:03.349
height, and Saddam's modern palace, nicknamed

00:44:03.349 --> 00:44:07.289
Sodom Hill, was placed directly atop archaeological

00:44:07.289 --> 00:44:10.539
remains. To professionals, this was Van Middleism

00:44:10.539 --> 00:44:13.760
dressed up as patriotism. To Saddam, it was legacy

00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.039
building, a way to inscribe his reign into the

00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:18.920
same timeline as the Babylon's former glories.

00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.559
And yet, I think the irony runs deep. While scholars

00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.639
call his methods problematic, the project also

00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.780
rekindled global attention on Babylon. After

00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:30.760
decades of neglect, tourists, journalists, and

00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:33.239
documentary crews, they returned, and Babylon

00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.179
was back in the headlines. And for many Iraqis,

00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:38.599
it became a source of cultural pride, however,

00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.820
politicized. The city that symbolized human arrogance

00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:45.500
in scripture became, for time, a monument to

00:44:45.500 --> 00:44:48.179
modern ambition. Proof that the impulse to rebuild

00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:51.880
Babel never truly fades. Spiritually speaking,

00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.840
Saddam's Babylon stands as this kind of vivid

00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.400
parable for our age. A ruler used architecture

00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.480
to chase immortality, just as Nebuchadnezzar

00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.659
did. And Daniel 4 declaring, it is not the great

00:45:04.659 --> 00:45:07.559
Babylon which I have built my mighty power and

00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.679
for the glory of my magic. I think history repeated

00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.079
itself, almost war, for the moral remains unchanged

00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.800
no matter how many bricks barrel rollers name.

00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:20.300
It is God who writes the final. inscription and

00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:22.679
we saw things didn't work out great for Saddam

00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.539
just a few years later when he was hung by his

00:45:25.539 --> 00:45:28.840
own people. So the Kings did fall there as well.

00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.460
And he had, he met a horrific end, but I thought

00:45:31.460 --> 00:45:33.980
it was interesting that he was trying to resurrect

00:45:33.980 --> 00:45:36.760
that. And we saw it with great people in the

00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:40.619
past, like Alexander, who also too tried to take

00:45:40.619 --> 00:45:43.139
over that and also too resulted in his death.

00:45:43.460 --> 00:45:45.940
Yeah, man. It seems like Babylon's curse. They

00:45:45.940 --> 00:45:49.050
seem to draw these big, larger than life. figures,

00:45:49.190 --> 00:45:51.929
and they all end up dying in strange, rather

00:45:51.929 --> 00:45:55.030
sudden ways. It's also interesting because Nebuchadnezzar

00:45:55.030 --> 00:45:57.849
II, the Nebuchadnezzar from the Bible that took

00:45:57.849 --> 00:46:00.670
the Jews into captivity, he built on top of the

00:46:00.670 --> 00:46:03.150
– a lot of archaeologists think that Edom and

00:46:03.150 --> 00:46:07.150
Connie is the Tower of Babel. which again was

00:46:07.150 --> 00:46:10.030
unfinished once God confused the languages but

00:46:10.030 --> 00:46:12.409
Nebuchadnezzar took the credit for building it

00:46:12.409 --> 00:46:16.469
and there it's much like Saddam he put his stamps

00:46:16.469 --> 00:46:20.650
on the base of this temple as well which is interesting

00:46:20.650 --> 00:46:23.929
and I think there was one brick that suggests

00:46:23.929 --> 00:46:25.989
that though he took credit for building the whole

00:46:25.989 --> 00:46:28.150
thing one brick they found somewhere suggests

00:46:28.150 --> 00:46:32.130
that it was built on top of the ancient ruins

00:46:32.130 --> 00:46:35.449
of the Tower of Babel so it wasn't five thousand

00:46:35.449 --> 00:46:38.110
plus feet tall, but it came out to about 300

00:46:38.110 --> 00:46:40.190
feet tall, which back then would be a pretty

00:46:40.190 --> 00:46:42.409
dang tall building. Yeah. That's impressive.

00:46:42.610 --> 00:46:44.969
So we talked a lot about the history. Do we want

00:46:44.969 --> 00:46:47.389
to get into some of the conspiracies surrounding?

00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:50.309
Yes, I would love to. Have you ever heard of

00:46:50.309 --> 00:46:52.710
the Hillary Clinton emails? I haven't. No, I'd

00:46:52.710 --> 00:46:54.559
love to hear about it. So there's this conspiracy

00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:57.760
theory. And so there was like a WikiLeaks leak

00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.559
of 30 ,000 Hillary Clinton emails. And one of

00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.440
them suggested that she, again, this could be

00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:06.380
complete conspiracy. It's hard to find any sort

00:47:06.380 --> 00:47:08.420
of truth. It was a big conspiracy a couple of

00:47:08.420 --> 00:47:10.179
years ago, especially when all these emails first

00:47:10.179 --> 00:47:11.960
came out. But like with anything in the internet,

00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.679
it can get scrubbed. But there was this supposed

00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.159
email about her asking like one of the generals

00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:20.380
or someone out in the Middle East during this

00:47:20.380 --> 00:47:23.159
war, asking questions about resurrection. chamber

00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:27.059
of Gilgamesh, which as you've heard in this episode,

00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.820
we think or deduce that Gilgamesh and Nimrod

00:47:29.820 --> 00:47:32.519
are the same person. And it was interesting because

00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.880
the conspiracy was that this email came out and

00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.300
the Iraq war started three or four months later.

00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:42.380
So a big claim is we didn't invade Iraq for freedom

00:47:42.380 --> 00:47:45.519
or for terrorists or for oil. We invaded it for

00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:49.539
the buried ancient technology in Babylon. So

00:47:49.539 --> 00:47:52.000
it was an interesting, do I believe it? I don't.

00:47:51.820 --> 00:47:54.360
now. There was a freedom of information requests

00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.900
underneath the name escapes me. It wasn't underneath

00:47:56.900 --> 00:47:58.719
Hillary Clinton. It doesn't mean that she didn't

00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.340
tell someone to do it, but it was a request for

00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:06.239
the schematics or all the information about Gilgamesh's

00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.000
resurrection chamber. And I don't know if you've

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.699
seen them or not. You can look on TikTok, type

00:48:09.699 --> 00:48:12.219
it in, and there's these videos that are purported

00:48:12.219 --> 00:48:15.440
to be somebody recording Gilgamesh laying inside

00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:18.739
of a tomb and he looks like he hasn't. age today.

00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:20.500
His skin looks funky probably because it's a

00:48:20.500 --> 00:48:23.059
mannequin and it's completely fake, but it's

00:48:23.059 --> 00:48:25.139
still fun to think about. But he's got this big

00:48:25.139 --> 00:48:27.500
robust beard. He looks like a jack guy. Apparently

00:48:27.500 --> 00:48:30.980
he's eight to 13 feet tall and apparently he's

00:48:30.980 --> 00:48:32.639
waiting to be resurrected. That's one of the

00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:34.800
reasons they claim that we actually went to war.

00:48:34.940 --> 00:48:37.820
And in fact, there was a U .S. base built on

00:48:37.820 --> 00:48:40.239
top of some of the ruins of the ancient city

00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.179
of Babylon. I just thought that was a fun one

00:48:42.179 --> 00:48:45.199
to toss in there and let the audience think and

00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.360
ponder on for a minute. It's fun to think of.

00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.760
about how true is it? I don't know. It's interesting,

00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.119
it's thought provoking, but what do you make

00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.900
of it, man? Wait, did they say why she was interested

00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:56.920
in it? No, they didn't. Of course, like with

00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:58.900
any conspiracy people, read between the lines

00:48:58.900 --> 00:49:01.079
and make up their own narratives. But I think

00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:04.739
if I had to put an angle on it, it was try to

00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:08.519
find lost ancient technology. And another spin

00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:12.900
is that some... Christian theologians, both mostly

00:49:12.900 --> 00:49:16.320
French, think that Nimrod is actually the Antichrist,

00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:18.360
just waiting to be brought back at the right

00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:20.380
time to hit the scene again. That's interesting.

00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:24.579
Yeah. So I've heard a similar theory about the

00:49:24.579 --> 00:49:27.519
Iraq War. It's called the Babylonian Stargate

00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.360
and the CERN portal conspiracies. Now, if you

00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:33.860
ever wandered through late night YouTube or prophecy

00:49:33.860 --> 00:49:36.679
forums, you've probably seen these stories. They

00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.420
claim that the Iraq War was secretly about...

00:49:39.369 --> 00:49:42.610
ancient interdimensional gateway buried beneath

00:49:42.610 --> 00:49:45.969
Babylon or that CERN's large hydron collider

00:49:45.969 --> 00:49:48.570
in Switzerland isn't a particle accelerator at

00:49:48.570 --> 00:49:52.269
all, but a modern tower of Babel reopening doorways

00:49:52.269 --> 00:49:55.730
humanity was never meant to touch. I think the

00:49:55.730 --> 00:49:58.550
production value is pretty slick. Swirling graphics,

00:49:58.769 --> 00:50:01.210
ancient symbols, and dramatic music that make

00:50:01.210 --> 00:50:03.409
the wildest theories feel most plausible. But

00:50:03.409 --> 00:50:05.210
I think when you look past the editing and the

00:50:05.210 --> 00:50:07.750
evidence turns out it's mostly vibes and clear

00:50:07.750 --> 00:50:09.849
video cuts. But I thought it was interesting

00:50:09.849 --> 00:50:12.750
to do a call back to our last episode. Some people

00:50:12.750 --> 00:50:15.610
thought the Babylonian Stargate and the CERN

00:50:15.610 --> 00:50:18.750
portal were somehow connected. And there is a

00:50:18.750 --> 00:50:21.289
fall of the world end of times motif sprinkled

00:50:21.289 --> 00:50:23.750
into the CERN portal as well. Yeah. I know some

00:50:23.750 --> 00:50:27.070
conspiracy theories think that the Tyre of Babel

00:50:27.070 --> 00:50:29.360
what they're actually trying. to make was an

00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.760
actual stargate. And the thought, and I don't

00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:33.860
know who would think that this would work, but

00:50:33.860 --> 00:50:36.139
they thought they would build a super high tower,

00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.039
put a stargate on top, and then transport their

00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:41.659
armies in the heaven to overthrow God. Ridiculous

00:50:41.659 --> 00:50:45.300
sediment, ridiculous theory. But some conspiracy

00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:48.199
theorists think that Nimrod was actually trying

00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.539
to break in the heaven and take heaven over,

00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:53.619
and that the Tower of Babel just wasn't a tower

00:50:53.619 --> 00:50:57.780
trying to profane God, but a tower to actually

00:50:57.739 --> 00:51:00.619
invade heaven i guess if you wanted to dig into

00:51:00.619 --> 00:51:03.159
that a little more that has a lot to do with

00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:05.280
the nephilim and the fallen angels trying to

00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:08.679
get back there and using humanity as their the

00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.159
kind of catalyst to help build this tower and

00:51:11.210 --> 00:51:13.929
make false promises about sharing power once

00:51:13.929 --> 00:51:15.949
they overthrow God. Wow. That's pretty interesting.

00:51:16.170 --> 00:51:18.730
I can't imagine the pride you must have to think

00:51:18.730 --> 00:51:21.530
you can overthrow God, but yeah, he's literally

00:51:21.530 --> 00:51:23.369
just flooded the world a couple thousand years

00:51:23.369 --> 00:51:25.949
before you're like walking it. Another, this

00:51:25.949 --> 00:51:29.130
isn't conspiracy. This is more from the archeological

00:51:29.130 --> 00:51:31.889
or written evidence from the time. One of the

00:51:31.889 --> 00:51:34.329
reasons I think it's in the Midrash and I think

00:51:34.329 --> 00:51:36.750
in some Islamic texts, I could be wrong about

00:51:36.750 --> 00:51:40.949
its location, but according to them, he did build

00:51:40.949 --> 00:51:44.389
a tower of Babel to be flood proof and he was.

00:51:44.570 --> 00:51:47.030
trying to defy God by saying, I'm going to make

00:51:47.030 --> 00:51:49.230
a tower so large that if you flood the world

00:51:49.230 --> 00:51:50.849
again, guess what? You're not going to kill me

00:51:50.849 --> 00:51:52.530
because I'm going to be on top of it. And whoever

00:51:52.530 --> 00:51:55.170
I want with me will be on top of it. So I'm going

00:51:55.170 --> 00:51:57.630
to defy you and say, you can't do something that

00:51:57.630 --> 00:52:00.050
you already did. It was, it was a big, like a

00:52:00.050 --> 00:52:04.210
front to God in his own way. A completely logical

00:52:04.210 --> 00:52:07.070
conclusion, if that's true. Obviously not a well

00:52:07.070 --> 00:52:09.349
read man either, because in the Bible it states,

00:52:09.369 --> 00:52:12.090
I'll never again destroy the world by water.

00:52:13.230 --> 00:52:15.880
Exactly. I missed that. If you think about it,

00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:20.000
it's pretty weird that humanity fell back into

00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.579
its old practices so soon after getting off the

00:52:22.579 --> 00:52:24.860
Ark. It was only, what, that was the fourth generation

00:52:24.860 --> 00:52:28.300
after the Ark. You already have this hubris and

00:52:28.300 --> 00:52:30.599
this ego, and I think it's in all of us to some

00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.480
extent. We have big egos, our smallest accomplishments

00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:36.719
we want to make into these big, fantastical things.

00:52:37.380 --> 00:52:40.360
And man and woman can really think a whole lot

00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.400
about themselves with very little achievements

00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:44.039
just because you might look good or you might

00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:46.000
be big, you might be strong, or people might

00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.019
like you, or you can push the little guy around.

00:52:48.260 --> 00:52:51.739
Yeah. Being humble is very hard and sinning is

00:52:51.739 --> 00:52:53.820
very easy. And the things we're not supposed

00:52:53.820 --> 00:52:56.159
to do seem to sometimes come quicker than the

00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.119
things that we are supposed to do, because it's

00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:00.579
the easy way out, it's the lazy way out, or it's

00:53:00.579 --> 00:53:03.760
the prideful way out. And we see the fall of

00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:06.679
mankind come quick. We saw it when Jesus walked

00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:08.599
the earth, man still fell. They saw the Lord

00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:10.960
and Savior and they fell. They saw people that

00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.300
actually talked to God. You think they talked

00:53:13.300 --> 00:53:15.840
to God, they heard from God, they got scriptures

00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:17.820
down from the mountain. They know he exists,

00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.699
it's clear as day, but yeah, for Mojas could

00:53:20.699 --> 00:53:22.409
return, they're already worshipped. in a bowl.

00:53:22.510 --> 00:53:26.789
Like it shows how quickly we fall and how ultimately

00:53:26.789 --> 00:53:29.409
stupid, even if we think we're wise, we are.

00:53:29.690 --> 00:53:31.929
Yeah. One of the other fringe and alternative

00:53:31.929 --> 00:53:35.670
theories is, it roots back to this whole ancient

00:53:35.670 --> 00:53:38.369
aliens and anarchy extraterrestrial intervention.

00:53:38.710 --> 00:53:41.170
Some theorists claim the tower was a launch pad,

00:53:41.289 --> 00:53:44.030
a spaceship or an energy device built with alien

00:53:44.030 --> 00:53:47.789
assistance and God or gods were extraterrestrial

00:53:47.789 --> 00:53:50.409
who intervened to prevent humanity from accessing

00:53:50.409 --> 00:53:53.480
advanced. So you have that whole ancient alien

00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:55.920
spin with it. In one variant, aliens are sent

00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.280
by God to scatter people into confused languages.

00:53:58.659 --> 00:54:00.800
Another one kind of ties it to the sons of God

00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:02.880
from Genesis, quote unquote, as fallen angels

00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.639
or alien hybridizing with humans, with the tower

00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.079
as a gateway for the return. We can be critical

00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.179
of this and probably chop it up pretty quick,

00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:12.280
but it's interesting and fun to think about,

00:54:12.340 --> 00:54:14.960
but it seems far fetched. I'd be more inclined

00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:18.900
to believe that it was... a place to maybe summon

00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:22.760
a deity, maybe a portal to allow fallen angels

00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.719
to come through. Again, post -flood, four generations

00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:28.619
after the fact, there has to be pretty concise

00:54:28.619 --> 00:54:30.880
stories about what happened pre -flood with the

00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:32.760
giants and the fallen angels. It couldn't have

00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:34.960
been washed out that fast in four generations,

00:54:35.019 --> 00:54:36.860
especially with these people living hundreds

00:54:36.860 --> 00:54:39.260
of years. You could almost reference someone

00:54:39.260 --> 00:54:41.679
that had gotten off the Ark, your grandfather

00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.579
in his case, with being Ham. I would think Ham

00:54:44.579 --> 00:54:47.280
would still be alive around them. I'm not entirely

00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:49.880
sure, but at least your father would have these

00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:52.539
stories. His grandfather, Noah, or his father,

00:54:52.739 --> 00:54:54.659
Ham. And I just don't know why you want to open

00:54:54.659 --> 00:54:56.559
that door back up knowing what it did in the

00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:58.800
first place. Yeah. He had even had kids that

00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.579
could pass down the stories for greater generations.

00:55:01.940 --> 00:55:04.380
A lot of the times you mentioned aliens in that

00:55:04.380 --> 00:55:08.079
narrative. And a lot of times I think people...

00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.500
see stuff that they don't know how to explain

00:55:10.500 --> 00:55:13.500
and they attach alien to it. When you look at

00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:15.760
the Bible, especially when you look at the higher

00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.920
levels of heaven, they really have some fantastical

00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.550
beings up there. I remember a clock. with eyes

00:55:21.550 --> 00:55:23.269
and like they talk about all these different

00:55:23.269 --> 00:55:25.469
types of spirits that worship God and it's not

00:55:25.469 --> 00:55:28.289
always in human form. And I wonder if some people

00:55:28.289 --> 00:55:30.989
throughout the history of time have been visited

00:55:30.989 --> 00:55:33.969
by different angels that did not take on human

00:55:33.969 --> 00:55:37.369
form. And the only way they explained it was

00:55:37.369 --> 00:55:39.309
that it was an alien. It must be from outer space.

00:55:39.429 --> 00:55:41.530
In reality, it is coming from the heavens, perhaps

00:55:41.530 --> 00:55:44.369
not outer space, but it is coming from the heavens.

00:55:44.429 --> 00:55:46.110
So I don't know. You can hear that a lot with

00:55:46.110 --> 00:55:49.269
the Anunnaki. Like Anunnaki or I think this story

00:55:49.269 --> 00:55:52.119
goes that they were like a ancient alien breed

00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:54.719
likes on some planet X like way out in outer

00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:57.679
space. But many people actually connected to

00:55:57.679 --> 00:55:59.659
fallen angels. So I always just wonder if there's

00:55:59.659 --> 00:56:03.199
some confusion there of seeing aliens, it's actually

00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:04.820
something spiritual, but they don't know how

00:56:04.820 --> 00:56:07.300
to quantify it. Technically fallen angels would

00:56:07.300 --> 00:56:09.619
be considered aliens, right? They're extraterrestrials.

00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:12.559
Like their minion was not earth. To fall in line

00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.139
with the thought that aliens and or UFOs or what

00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:19.980
we're seeing as a UFO are not. people from other

00:56:19.980 --> 00:56:23.699
galaxies or in a land far away. I think they're

00:56:23.699 --> 00:56:26.940
interdimensional beings phasing in out of our

00:56:26.940 --> 00:56:29.820
reality. I'm with you there. I think most people,

00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:31.380
when they think of aliens, they think of the

00:56:31.380 --> 00:56:33.260
little green guy, maybe not the green guy, but

00:56:33.260 --> 00:56:35.420
just like another thing that's like humans, it

00:56:35.420 --> 00:56:37.360
just happens to be on a different planet. And

00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:38.820
then they don't want to connect it spiritually,

00:56:38.940 --> 00:56:40.900
but I do think there is that connected tissue.

00:56:41.099 --> 00:56:43.420
Yeah. So to get onto other, like a couple other

00:56:43.420 --> 00:56:46.199
conspiracies here, another theory is that this

00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:49.260
structure was a temple to create a unified hive

00:56:49.260 --> 00:56:52.260
mind, stripping every one of their individuality

00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:55.340
and setting up like perfect harmony under Nimrod.

00:56:55.500 --> 00:56:58.349
So essentially what it's suggesting is that he

00:56:58.349 --> 00:57:01.030
was creating a tower to essentially control everybody

00:57:01.030 --> 00:57:03.289
to do what he wanted to do, to be the leader

00:57:03.289 --> 00:57:06.150
of this Borg, quote unquote. Yeah, that's a good

00:57:06.150 --> 00:57:11.050
one. Have you heard of the oath of Nimrod connected

00:57:11.050 --> 00:57:14.969
to a Freemasons? I haven't. I have heard that

00:57:14.969 --> 00:57:19.150
a lot of Freemasonry uses Nimrod and a lot of

00:57:19.150 --> 00:57:20.929
their writings. What do you tell me? Yeah. So

00:57:20.929 --> 00:57:23.610
of all those hidden links that really swirl around

00:57:23.610 --> 00:57:26.789
Nimrod's name, the one tied to Freemasons is

00:57:26.789 --> 00:57:29.389
among the oldest and I think most persistent.

00:57:29.570 --> 00:57:33.250
The ideal surfaces in a set of medieval Messianic

00:57:33.250 --> 00:57:37.329
manuscripts known as the Old Charges, which was

00:57:37.329 --> 00:57:40.570
guild records copied and recopied from roughly

00:57:40.570 --> 00:57:44.170
the 14th and 18th centuries. A few of these lists

00:57:44.170 --> 00:57:48.050
of legendary founders mentioned Nimrod as a patron

00:57:48.050 --> 00:57:51.949
of builders or a mighty master of masons. In

00:57:51.949 --> 00:57:54.849
their original Conatex, these stories were part

00:57:54.849 --> 00:57:57.409
of the craft's folklore, a way for stonemasons

00:57:57.409 --> 00:57:59.929
to root their trade in biblical antiquity and

00:57:59.929 --> 00:58:04.090
really to present their work as divinely honorable.

00:58:04.610 --> 00:58:07.530
They never claimed that Nimrod created a secret

00:58:07.530 --> 00:58:10.610
order. He was simply another name in a mythic

00:58:10.610 --> 00:58:13.210
genealogy of builders stretching from Adam's

00:58:13.210 --> 00:58:16.469
sons through Noah to... Solomon's temple. However,

00:58:16.690 --> 00:58:19.030
especially those outside the fraternity took

00:58:19.030 --> 00:58:21.969
the tiny reference and built a myth around it.

00:58:22.010 --> 00:58:26.170
By the 1700s and the 1800s, anti -Maceonic writers

00:58:26.170 --> 00:58:28.869
began to recast Nimrod not as a craftsman hero,

00:58:28.989 --> 00:58:32.070
but as the original rebel, a forerunner of the

00:58:32.070 --> 00:58:34.969
mystery religions of Babylon. In that retelling,

00:58:35.269 --> 00:58:37.969
the oath of Nimrod supposedly bound Masons to

00:58:37.969 --> 00:58:40.610
preserve forbidden knowledge passed down from

00:58:40.610 --> 00:58:43.510
Babylon. 20th century conspiracy books ran even

00:58:43.510 --> 00:58:46.440
further with the ideal, linking Freemasons, the

00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:49.460
Illuminati, and global politics into one vast

00:58:49.460 --> 00:58:52.719
continuity of defiance against God. You know,

00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:56.019
it's an exciting story, but one I think that

00:58:56.019 --> 00:58:58.500
is mostly built on the imagination rather than

00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:01.860
evidence. The surviving manuscripts archived

00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:04.659
and analyzed in collections such as the Phoenix

00:59:04.659 --> 00:59:08.340
Masonry say nothing about world dominion, only

00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:11.559
about geometry, wages, and moral duty. But the

00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:14.960
manuscripts are real and The grand conspiracy

00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:18.179
perhaps is not, but it is interesting as we trace

00:59:18.179 --> 00:59:21.780
back the history that Nimrod's name is in the

00:59:21.780 --> 00:59:25.019
Freemason culture and the Freemasons are connected

00:59:25.019 --> 00:59:26.860
to a lot of stuff. So I don't know if people

00:59:26.860 --> 00:59:28.980
later twist the tale or it started from there.

00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:30.880
It's really hard to make those determinations.

00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:34.519
Perhaps the old charge has something that's secret.

00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:36.639
Perhaps they have some knowledge that was passed

00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:38.900
down and you start to see those things on everything.

00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:40.760
It's even on our currency. Yeah. Interesting

00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:42.679
stuff. He seems to be tied up with the. caught

00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:46.349
pretty heavily and this I wouldn't even. categorize

00:59:46.349 --> 00:59:49.269
this as a conspiracy, but I guess the last thing

00:59:49.269 --> 00:59:52.389
I wanted to point out was that the Tower of Babel

00:59:52.389 --> 00:59:56.309
was a Luciferian symbol for apotheosis. So it

00:59:56.309 --> 00:59:58.989
represented the serpent's lie, that humans can

00:59:58.989 --> 01:00:01.630
become gods and the tower was commissioned by

01:00:01.630 --> 01:00:04.050
Nimrod for self -deification, embodying the cult

01:00:04.050 --> 01:00:06.369
doctrines of ascension without divine aid. I

01:00:06.369 --> 01:00:08.610
think ultimately that's probably what it was.

01:00:08.849 --> 01:00:12.329
I think he thought so highly of himself and had

01:00:12.329 --> 01:00:16.460
so much power and had done at least in his lifetime.

01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.380
He did stuff that you never saw cities, you never

01:00:19.380 --> 01:00:22.039
saw empires, and he was post -flood the first

01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.000
one to do that, and it probably got to his head.

01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:27.079
There is a lot of fascinating things about this.

01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:29.400
One of the ones that I thought was pretty interesting

01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:32.519
was Nimrod and what was called the Two Babylon's.

01:00:32.739 --> 01:00:35.579
It all traces back to the 19th century, this

01:00:35.579 --> 01:00:38.400
Scottish minister named Alexander Hislop, who

01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:41.500
published a book in 1853 called the Two Babylon's,

01:00:41.579 --> 01:00:44.780
Papatry and Adultery. His thesis was sensational.

01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.340
He claimed that virtually every pagan religion

01:00:47.340 --> 01:00:50.559
on earth, from ancient Egypt to classical Rome,

01:00:50.940 --> 01:00:54.000
descended from a single primal cult founded by

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:57.079
Nimrod and his supposed queen. According to Hislop,

01:00:57.340 --> 01:00:59.519
this Babylonian mystery of religion survived

01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:02.199
the flood of time and quietly infiltrated later

01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:05.860
civilizations, even blending into Christian traditions

01:01:05.860 --> 01:01:09.510
under new names. It's a powerful story. And if

01:01:09.510 --> 01:01:11.690
true, I could see why you want to confuse some

01:01:11.690 --> 01:01:13.909
tongues when it came to babble because a lot

01:01:13.909 --> 01:01:17.380
of crazy cults have populated their earth since

01:01:17.380 --> 01:01:19.760
that time. So I thought that one was interesting.

01:01:20.059 --> 01:01:23.420
And then the last one I wanted to touch on was

01:01:23.420 --> 01:01:26.539
the conspiracy that involves the EU parliament.

01:01:26.659 --> 01:01:28.860
It's called the Babel building. I think here's

01:01:28.860 --> 01:01:31.119
one of the internet's most viral architectural

01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:34.119
legends. It claims that the European union parliament

01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:36.880
building in France was deliberately designed

01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:40.619
to mimic Peter Brewell's and elders 16th century

01:01:40.619 --> 01:01:42.780
painting, the tower of Babel. And you've probably

01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:45.920
seen the side -by -side. images, burglars spinning,

01:01:46.099 --> 01:01:47.960
a half -finished tower next to the parliament,

01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:51.340
curved glass and steel exterior. The story usually

01:01:51.340 --> 01:01:54.539
comes with a sinister twist, screenshots of supposed

01:01:54.539 --> 01:01:57.719
EU posters that reads, many tongues, one voice.

01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:00.099
For some, it's proof that the modern European

01:02:00.099 --> 01:02:03.099
project is a consistent revival of the Babel's

01:02:03.099 --> 01:02:04.880
rebellion. I think it's a gripping narrative

01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:08.579
and the visual similarities are real. The parliament

01:02:08.579 --> 01:02:11.340
weese building does feature an open, unfinished

01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:14.010
looking up ring, a design choice that immediately

01:02:14.010 --> 01:02:16.289
recalls Bruegel's painting. I think when you

01:02:16.289 --> 01:02:19.130
dig into the records and interviews, the resemblance

01:02:19.130 --> 01:02:22.050
turns out to be more coincidental. Yeah, man.

01:02:22.250 --> 01:02:24.010
Interesting episode. There's a lot of information

01:02:24.010 --> 01:02:26.989
out there. So what's your take on Nimrod and

01:02:26.989 --> 01:02:30.369
Tower of Babel? I think the Tower of Babel isn't

01:02:30.369 --> 01:02:34.269
anti -city, anti -technology, or anti -progress.

01:02:34.309 --> 01:02:37.489
I think it's anti -self -exhaustion. The problem

01:02:37.489 --> 01:02:40.789
wasn't ambition. It was direction. Humanity wanted

01:02:40.789 --> 01:02:43.730
permanence, not purpose. Identity without obedience.

01:02:43.969 --> 01:02:47.050
I think Babel reminds us that when we build only

01:02:47.050 --> 01:02:49.929
to make a name, God resists. When we build to

01:02:49.929 --> 01:02:53.010
serve, to heal, to bless, God partners. I think

01:02:53.010 --> 01:02:56.030
every generation has its towers, skyscrapers,

01:02:56.170 --> 01:02:58.469
networks, economies, algorithms. None of them

01:02:58.469 --> 01:03:01.150
are inherently evil by nature. All of them carry

01:03:01.150 --> 01:03:03.949
moral weight. I think the question is timeless.

01:03:04.150 --> 01:03:07.130
Whose name is on the cornerstone? When our towers

01:03:07.130 --> 01:03:10.050
serve the common good, when they lift others

01:03:10.050 --> 01:03:13.380
up rather than our ourselves, our buildings become

01:03:13.380 --> 01:03:16.400
worship. But when our towers exist only to glorify

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the builder, they crumble into dust, just like

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the ziggurats on the plains of Shinar. The real

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message of battle isn't that God feared our strength,

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that he loved us too much to let our pride destroy

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us. The confusion was mercy. The scattering was

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grace. Every tower since then is an invitation.

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Build boldly, but build humbly. And remember,

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no matter how high our walls reach, heaven always

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comes down by invitation, not construction. Yeah,

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man. I think Nimrod was a real person. I think

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lots of cultures talk about him and they just

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call him by different names. The stories line

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up. There are some discrepancies, but a lot of

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the underlying themes are similar. And I think

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the Tower of Babel was, I don't know, I struggle

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with that one because I lean toward a little

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bit toward the conspiratorial side. I think he

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was definitely trying to deify himself. I definitely

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think he was trying to make himself God on earth.

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And was there some sort of hand behind him pushing

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him to do this either aware or unaware? I don't

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know. That's an interesting one. I'm going to

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have more time to think about that before I draw

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my final conclusion. But either way, I think

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there's plenty of historical archaeological and

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linguistic evidence to suggest that all of our

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languages root back to one and around four or

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5 ,000 years ago. They all scattered almost seemingly

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instantaneously and hundreds, if not thousands,

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branched out pretty quickly. Interesting story,

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interesting episode and lots of interesting research

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involved in this. But like usual, Jesus loves

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you. We love you and I love you, brother. We

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love you. Love you, brother. Until next time,

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