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It really helps the channel grow. So Jay, have
you ever noticed how Mount Shasta isn't just
a mountain? You look it up and three clicks later,
you're knee deep in UFOs, ascended masters, and
underground cities. It's like Wikipedia got possessed
by a saiyan. Yeah, man. It's one of those places
that looks calm on the outside, but the second
you start reading about it, you realize people
think it's basically the Earth's USB port to
the cosmos. Yeah, that's accurate. You got spiritual
retreats, cults, vanish. Orbs, lights, really
the works. There's something about the mountain
that makes people want to find out that meaning
in the mist. Yeah. It seems to be a magnet for
the new age. He got yogis, crystal healers, UFO
hunters, and full on believers setting up shop
right next to the regular hikers who just came
to view and mount the summit. Yeah, you're absolutely
right. And in between all of that, you get the
stories. The guy who says he met an immortal
alchemist up there. That's where one of America's
biggest new age movements really started. The
whole quote unquote. You also have a little bit
of St. Germain, violet flames, ascension decrees.
It's wild how one hiking story turned into a
full -blown spiritual empire. Man, that's just
the start. The mountain's seen generations of
groups since then. Light families, energy healers,
doomsday prophets, all claiming the same thing.
The mountain? Smoke to them. Yeah, man. The craziest
part is it never stops. Every decade, there's
a new version that pops up. The only thing that
seems to change color are the robes, the language,
and the idea's the same. isn't just sacred, it's
awake according to these people. And tonight
we're gonna dig into all of that. the faith,
the phanteks, the people who found themselves
and the ones who lost everything trying. Maybe
we start with a brief history and get into a
bit of Lemurian myth. Let's do it. So long before
the UFO lights, the metaphysical retreats, Shasta
rose from fire and ruin. It's a stratovolcano,
14 ,163 feet high, built over hundreds of thousands
of years by eruptions and collapse. Beneath it
lies the bones of an older mountain that crumbled
in a a cataclysmic event, a landslide about a
half a million years ago. Black Boot and Shastina,
its twin cones, grew from the rubble 11 millennia
ago. The last known eruption around 3 ,200 years
past dusted the sky with ash and molten glass.
Today, the volcano rests under a crown of glaciers,
breathing only faint wisps of steam. Quiet, but
not dead. The U .S. Geological Survey Watchers,
it is like a sleeping giant, instruments buried
in the rock to listen for the tremors. Mount
Shasta arises from the Sisikyu County and far
Northern California, about 60 miles south of
the Oregon border and 230 miles north of Sacramento.
It anchors the southern end of the Cascade Range,
which is surrounded by forest, lakes, and the
small towns of Mount Shasta, McLeod, Weed, and
Dunsmear. The travelers on Interstate 5, it appears
suddenly, an immense white pyramid against the
sky, visible from more than about 100 miles away.
For the Pitt River, the Kurek, and Shasta, and
Wintu peoples, the mountain is older than the
planet's memory. a pillar of creation, a living
ancestor, a place where the sky and earth were
joined. Panther Meadow remains their sacred altar.
They call it a birthplace of the world itself.
To them, the stories of portals and light ships
are echoes of something far deeper. Shasta has
always been this bridge, just not the kind tourists
imagine. The mountain's modern name took shape
in the 19th century when the Hudson's Bay Company
trapper, Peter Ogden, mapped it in 1827. Spelling's
waiver, Shasta Shasti, and multiple other variants.
until about 1850, when Mount Shasta finally stuck.
By then, the Gold Rush had begun, and legends
had started to grow. The mountain's long double
life as both geological marvel and mythic engine
was already sealed. Now, the big map is of the
Lumarians. Do you know anything about the Lumarians?
So, the term Lumaria didn't start as like a metaphysical
or a cult concept at all, though it did transition
into that. The term Lumaria was coined by a fellow
by the name of Philip Scatlettor. He was a British
zoologist specializing in mammals and birds.
In 1864, he published The Mammals of Madagascar
in the Quarterly Journal of Science. This is
an interesting fact. He noted that lemurs only
existed in Madagascar in India, but not in Africa
or the Mideast. He explained this by proposing
a new submerged landmass connecting Madagascar
to southern India and perhaps Western Australia.
And he called that missing landmass Lemuria.
The Lemuria began as a biogeographical hypothesis,
essentially an early attempt to explain in species
migrations before the plate tectonics or the
continental drift were understood. So the term
was eventually adopted by 19th century naturalists.
So a fellow by the name of Ernd Hegel, he was
a German evolutionary biologist and he suggested
Lumeria as the cradle of humanity where the first
men might've evolved. Also a scientist by the
name of Alfred Wallace, co -founder of evolutionary
theory, mentioned but rejected Lumeria favoring
other land bridge explanations. And then Thomas
Huxley briefly referenced the continent between
India and Africa in his early geological speculation.
By the 1880s, the whole continental drift theory
came about and it made such a continent unnecessary
and scientific community pretty much dropped
the whole concept of Lumaria. A theosophist by
the name of Helena Vlaski actually picked up
the term Lumaria and she appropriated the name.
So from a land bridge to an ancient spiritual
continent, that's how the whole transition happened.
She was an occultist. She founded theosophy.
The term theosophy encompasses two words, theos,
which is God, and Sophia, which is wisdom. So
it literally means divine wisdom. It's not a
single religion, but a worldview that combines
elements of Eastern mysticism, Western esotericism,
and the cult philosophy. So she founded this
religion philosophy in the late 19th century.
She was a Russian mystic and author who co -founded
the Theosophical Society in 1875. So I think
this is a big part of the reason that Mount Shasta
is considered such a new age, kind of hippy type
thing. This is where some of the theories are
mixed in with occult viewpoints and maybe a little
bit blown out of proportion. Because these people
believe in universal brotherhood, karma and reincarnation.
They believe in these hidden masters, esoteric
wisdom and unity of science, religion and philosophy,
which is a red flag for me because that points
to revelation and the world government, one world
religion. So this is almost a precursor to some
of this one world type. So it always comes back
to the Russians. It's always an interesting concept.
We've seen them in Antartica. We've seen them
in multiple places when we talk about these conspiracy
theories. But you talked about her teachings,
the secret doctrine, which was written in 1888.
It transformed those proto -geological musings
into this kind of sacred history. She wrote that
the Lemurians were a mighty root race, immense
in stature, psychic in perception, and far older
than recorded time. They communed telepathically,
mastered crystal technology, and lived in harmony
with the planet until the Great Cataclysm. Volcanic,
Tidal, and perhaps, Carmaic dragged their civilization
beneath the Pacific. Later esoteric traditions
declared that not all perished. Survivors guided
by higher beings fled inland to preserve their
culture. The tallest, brightest, and most spiritually
advanced salt refuge inside the mountain of power,
Mount Shasta. There they built Tellios, a hidden
city carved in crystal and gold, its halls glowing
with light that never fades. Over the centuries,
these Lemurians became immortal sto - of our
secret wisdom, emerging rarely to guide the surface
world when it strayed too far from its balance.
Mount Shasta's mythology really described them
as tall, graceful beings robed in white and radiant
calm. Hikers tell of fleeting encounters, figures
glimpsed through the trees, footprints that started
to vanish, and a voice in the wind that seemed
both distant and kind. Now, these New Age movements
treat them as ascendant mentors, channeling messages
of planetary healing and cosmic unity. To some,
the Lemerians are are the missing link between
the ancient myth and the alien contact. And to
others, they are symbols of spiritual endurance,
a race that survived disaster, not by fleeing
outward, but inward into the heart of the earth.
Kind of like that hollow earth theory that we
hear a whole lot about. Whether history, allegory,
or hope, I think their legend has fused forever
with Mount Shasta's now snow -bright summit.
The mountain, they say, still hums with their
memory. Listen long enough and you might hear
it. A low vibration, deep as the ocean that they
once called home. The theory is really an interesting
concept. I'm not convinced I believe in it, but
it comes back to what we've heard about is the
continents being united. I think the original
theory was called Pangea, where all the continents
were united. Some say when the Great Flood happened,
the seas birthed from below and separated these
continents. I think this is maybe another retelling
of that story of how all of society and all peoples
in the world were connected at one time. I know
they point to now discarded 19th century philosophy
that a missing land mass had once Asia, Africa,
and Australia, explaining that spread of similar
fossils across the oceans. I know that ideal
slipped from geology into myth when spiritualists
and theosophists adopted it, claiming Lemuria
wasn't just a continent, it was humanity's first
cradle, much like we see now with the Middle
East. So it's a really interesting... claims
in groups. But what we find is that there's a
whole lot of interesting things going over on
Mount Shasta that people have claimed for a very
long time up into including modern history. What
are some interesting lore or myths or perhaps
reality that you heard of. What's that one that
stands out to you? Yeah, before I go into that,
I just kind of want to circle back to this Helena
Bavlosky lady, the Theosophist. It's interesting
how she apparently got her knowledge of this.
So she claimed to have gotten her hand on an
ancient book written in Zanzar, a secret language
known only to adepts in the Brotherhood of Tibet.
It was called the Astanzas of Daisen. So she
got instructions of how to translate this from
the masters of wisdom from the Mahatmas who she
said trained her during her years in Tibet and
communicated telepathically afterward and through
clairvoyant perception her own and that of initiates
who could perceive passages through the Akashic
records. So like back in the late 1800s early
1900s you had this big spiritualist movement
with a lot of mediums and psychic readers and
a lot of this kind of stemmed from her. So my
radar starts to ping when I hear somebody translating
quote unquote ancient texts with the help of
quote unquote masters and through automatic writing
telepathy. To me, that is a bunch of satanic
BS and somebody who is messing with the demonic
realm. And right there in my head, throws the
whole concept of Lumaria out the door. She did
talk about Atlantis. She did talk about other
civilizations. And it's not that I don't agree
that Atlantis didn't exist. I do think. It probably
existed in some form of fashion, just like Lumaria.
I don't know if these people are talking about
the same kind of pre -flood, one world civilization,
and they're all just naming it different things.
Every culture may have a different name for it.
Even though I think the term Lumaria, we pretty
much find where it came from. It came from a
guy trying to explain how lemurs ended up in
some parts of the world, but not others. And
he explained it by this submerged continent.
But I just wanted to point that out to the listeners
that when you're getting information for somebody
who claims to be a clairvoyant who has their
hands on secret quote unquote documents and are
learning from quote unquote masters of wisdom.
It always throws up that red flag for me. Masters
of the universe. I think of He -Man whenever
I hear that. Some of those things are just bizarre.
And what they're talking about and what we see
as a reoccurring theme throughout our history
is people are trying to create this kind of perfect
race that has command over everything. They talk
about Lemuria as this vast Pacific continent
that birthed humanity's earliest race. When Lemuria
sank. its most advanced being supposedly migrated
inland, building these new sanctuaries in the
mountains. They said later generations of mystics
gave those refugees a postal address, which was
Mount Shasta. Here the Lemurians became the architects
of Tellios, a subterranean city of crystal halls
and radiant gardens. Channelers claim to converse
with their high priest, Adama, who teaches love,
peace, and the eventual reunion of the surface
and inner worlds. What began as this 19th century
metaphysical allegory turned into the 20th century
tourism phenomenon. Past scripture, part science
fiction, and entirely Shasta. That leap from
her root race myth to this kind of modern new
age geography made the mountain a living chapter
in the alternative prehistory. To believers,
Tellios' proof that enlightenment didn't just
vanish with the floods, it simply moved underground,
waiting for humanity to evolve enough to find
its front door. It's interesting that we're talking
about the flood again. We see it with Atlantis.
We see it with Noah. We see it across the world.
And sometimes I wonder if it's just a retelling
and a reversioning of what God gave us in the
first place. Like you're always talking about
the core themes and perhaps if you don't believe
in God and you experienced the event, you're
not quite sure what to call it in your history
books as you're about to drown and write in your
logs and hopefully it saves it. Yeah. I also
want to point to a guy named Frederick Spencer
Oliver. He wrote a book on Mount Shasta and a
bunch of other lost civilizations. And he claimed
that he did automatic writing through phylos
the Tibetan. So there's no real archeological
or historical verification for the specific technologies
or civilizations he describes. But again, we
have another theosophist, a guy who was influenced
by Baflaski and who was heavy into the new cult
and new age. And he came up with a lot of the
myths stories he built up on him through his
writings. And again, he did it claiming that
he channeled a master. Which, in my book, you're
channeling a demonic presence who's going to
lie to you. Sometimes I think when people channel
these beings or spirits, there might be some
half -truths in there. They might throw out 10
facts to you. One may be truth, maybe two, but
the other eight or nine are lies. So it just
blows my mind that there's so much occult, so
much esoteric stuff that's associated with this
mountain and some of the myths in it. Yeah, there's
a lot of cult activity that goes on there. Have
you heard of the Shasta Sedona ley line? I haven't,
tell me. So if you trace the invisible map that
believers call Earth's energy grid, a single
bright current runs from Mount Shasta in Northern
California, all the way to Red Rocks of Sedona,
Arizona. Now they say this shimmering path is
said to pass the Grand Canyon, Pyramid Lake,
and the Dry Nevada desert, whispered to hide
Area 51. To those who map by magnetism and myth,
Shasta and Sedona are twin nodes, two ends of
a spiritual wire kind of humming beneath the
continent. Visitors to either place describe
the same sensations when they visit, meditation
that hits like altitude. that vibrates time that
bends healers talk about alignments during solstice
when the line between the two mountains fires
connecting their vortexes in a pulse of planetary
energy skeptics call it coincidence but pilgrims
bring copper pendulums and compasses anyways
watching needles twitch as the heart races whether
it's geology geomancy or the imagination the
Shasta Sedona line is more than a route it's
a legend written across the landscape linking
two deserts by a current you can't quite see
but you can almost feel. I was watching one of
my favorite YouTubers. They were exploring this
area in Sedona and they were venturing out. They
met a couple of locals near the Sedona ley line
and there was a couple of hippies that approached
them and they gave them all of these copper trinkets
to take with them to Mount Shasta saying it was
going to be some type of dedication or something
that would protect them. So there are a lot of
believers out there that I would classify as
a cult that believe that these things are linked
together, that there are two things that are
transitioning as one and are connected by this
mythical energy field. And I think we go back
to 1888 when we talk about the Ossipist, but
it's all weird and I don't know where they're
always actually getting it. But you're right.
If they're in communion with what they called
the master or some type of dominion spirit that
gave them misinformation, it sounds pretty suspect
in my book. Yeah. So have you heard about JC
Brown's secret tunnel and giant mummy's tail?
Oh, this is a good one. Yeah, go with it. Yeah.
I'll start it off. And if I miss something, pop
in. So in 1904, British prospector, JC Brown
allegedly discovered an 11 mile tunnel inside
of Mount Shasta while working for the Lord Cowdrake
Mining Company. So this guy was essentially looking
for gold. And he claimed as he was prospecting
around, he found a tunnel, a rather large tunnel.
And he's like, whatever, I'll go in there, see
what's in there. So he claimed to have traveled
11 miles inside this tunnel. And he said the
passage led to a hidden village filled with gold
nuggets, copper shields, some strange hylogryphs,
jade tablets. And he claimed that there were
27 mummified giants ranging from six foot six
to 10 feet tall. And he claimed that these giants
of this lost civilization had advanced holes.
and it appears that they had a pretty advanced
society and that seemingly they revered them
out in the sacred. Brown apparently kept this
secret for 30 years. Then in 1934, he shared
the tale with a journalist named John C. Root,
who hyped it up in the Los Angeles Times. So
he eventually got an expedition of 80 plus people,
including scientists and apparently a museum
curator, and they assembled in Stockton, California.
And to get 80 people to come, he promised a portion
of the treasure that they would find. There are
stories about people selling their houses, selling
everything they own in order to get the gear
to go on this expedition. So they assembled on
June 19th, 1934. And the day that they were supposed
to go, Brown vanished without a trace. So I'll
let you pick it up from there. Yeah, the story
really electrified a town. Brown promised to
lead this expedition and dozens of volunteers
packed tools, food, lanterns, ready to uncover
the lost world of Lemoria. But on the morning
they warded apart, Brown vanished. No farewell,
no footprints, just an an empty hotel room, and
then a legend that never stopped breathing. Some
say he was silenced by the same forces that hide
Tellios. Others think he found something he shouldn't
have and never returned. The truth remains buried
within the mountains. Every generation and other
seeker claims to have found a hint of the tunnel,
an air vent, a sealed shaft, a whisper of gold.
None have ever brought proof, but Mount Shasta's
mythology and the absence of evidence is the
evidence. The door exists. It simply chooses
when and for whom it will open. Now to me, That
sounds awfully convenient. It sounds like, and
I don't know much about this guy's background,
but it sounds like Mr. Brown may have bit off
a little bit more than he could chew. He enjoyed
the fame. He enjoyed all the people coming together
to support his mission. down 11 miles into a
passage that supposedly ran almost into this
hollow earth theory kind of towards the center
of the earth. People were excited. As you said,
they sold their homes. They collected all their
belongings. They were excited to take part, discover
a new society and get a bunch of gold and become
millionaires as they come on the other end of
it. But the day they're supposed to leave, Brown's
like, you know what? Nothing's actually there.
Peace. I'm out. Like don't find me. And it was
a lot harder in 1934 to find people once they
want it to be disappeared. So I find that story
awfully convenient. that people are saying he
was silenced. To me, it sounds like a man that
perhaps just stretched his imagination a little
bit too far. And when he got called to the carpet
and he didn't bother showing up. Yeah. It's a
little bit about his early life. So there's an
interesting documentary by Steven Sendoni. He
investigated this story for a 2009 documentary.
Some sources describe JC Brown as a millionaire
who refused to give his full name. And this kind
of fueled speculation that he was hiding in the
shady past. So Sendoni... believes JC Brown was
an alias for JB. boat, Body, a retired visitor
from out of town with no prior ties to Stockton,
California. Body, or if you want to call him
Brown, had become fascinated by the occult theories,
particularly James Churchward's books on the
lost continents of Mu and emerging Lumaria lore.
The conclusion of this documentary is that he
thinks his obsession with theosophy, lost civilization,
inspired him to create this elaborate tale. And
he set the backdrop as Mount Shasta. And this
is really stoked the fire for this whole Mount
Shasta. the conspiracy, the ancient ruins, the
lost technology. And like you said, I leaned
to the hoax theory. I think this guy was probably
well off. He probably had some money and he probably
thought he wasn't going to get as much traction
as he was. And by the time he rounded up 80 people,
he thought if I go into that mountain with 80
people and I can't prove that I was here, that
the story is true, they were going to kill me
and leave me in the mountain crevices. They're
like you said before. Some people theorize he
was murdered. Some claim that Lumarian guardians
killed him. Some claim government agents did
it. And if I was going to believe any of this
murdering theory, I would believe that rival
treasure hunters probably killed him to keep
secrets. I think this man existed. I don't think
he was murdered. I think he just pieced out of
the town and he was never seen from again, obviously.
I think because if you're on the west coast of
Northern California and you realize that you've
got yourself in a whole heap of trouble. And
this lie is caught up with you and you have to
bounce out of town. You're going back to England.
You're going back to JB body. And you're just
living the rest of your days, hoping nobody comes
down and tracks you down because you sold your
house and all your belongings to get a piece
of this treasure that didn't exist. Everybody
else is packing up. They see this guy also packing
his belongings, thinking they're going to go
on this long journey together. He's just going
in the opposite direction. Like he's piecing
out. I can just imagine people putting all this
stuff on their backs. And if he did show up and
they start climbing this mountain and trying
to find this passageway that doesn't exist. Like
you said, man, I think he gets murdered up in
1904. Like in 1904 in the mountains, like no
one's gonna know he fell off a cliff. I don't
know what happened. Yeah. Under a rock, nobody's
going to come looking. It was a vast territory.
Probably a lot of it was unexplored at that time
even, and yeah, he would disappear real quick.
But sticking in the 1800s, 1900s, one of the
big stories that came out was Saint Germain.
The Count of Saint Germain was already a legend
long before Mount Shasta entered the story. In
18th century Europe, he was known as an alchemist,
a composer, a diplomat who never seemed to age.
Some said he possessed the philosopher's stone.
Others called him immortal. His sudden reappearance
in the 20th century on a high trail in Northern
California tied him to European occult history
to the American landscape. In 1930, Guy Ballard
claimed he met Saint Germain on the slopes of
Shasta. They encountered Bertha I .M. activity,
fusing theosophic ideals of ascended masters
with this patriotic mysticism and self -empowerment.
The violent, robbed Count, who once haunted European
salons, now walked in American wilderness, teaching
this cosmic law to a nation poised for modernity.
Today, followers of of the IM activity in its
offshoots still gathered near the mountain, lighting
these violent flames and reciting decrees to
invoke the master's presence. Saint Germain's
legend thus spans centuries incontinence in this
immortal alchemist transplanted from castle halls
to volcanic meadows, proving that myth like the
man himself never truly dies. And maybe he saw
the guy you were talking about. Perhaps he saw
Saint Germain up there. Maybe Saint Germain knocked
him off. Dang it, St. Germain, leave people alone,
man. You live forever. Let people look for treasure.
Now, the thing I find interesting about Ballard
is that he wrote a book in 1934, which coincidentally,
I'm not linking the two, but I think it's funny
how he wrote a book in 1934. And J .C. Brown,
this is when he told his story, it was in 1934
as well. So you have what, in my opinion, is
two con artists coming up with these fantastic
stories about Mount Shasta in the same year.
So he wrote a book called Unveiled Mysteries.
It was the first of the Saint Germain series,
Ballard described Germain as ageless with a voice
like, vibrant gold bells, kind of like mine.
And the ability to materialize and feast from
the thin air. So essentially he's saying this
guy can just make flamingon fall out of the sky
and eat it. And he also claims Shasta's etheric
energy amplified the encounter with Germain explaining
the mountain as a nexus for Lumarian survivors.
But Germain claimed that they were from the lost
continent of Mew. Ascended Beans. Here we go
with the Ascended Beans again. And like you said,
they found the whole IM movement. So again, another
occultist influenced by theosophists in the same
year that J .C. Brown's telling people this fantastic
story about this 11 mile tunnel underneath the
mountains full of giants, full of gold and jade
tablets. You had this guy meeting Saint Germain
just randomly walking in the woods. It's just,
it's too coincidental not to be true, bro. You
got to believe it. I think about the Ascended
Master. lineage. In cosmology of the Ascendant
Master teachings, Mount Shasta is really more
than a terrain. It's this monastery that's sealed
in the stone. Followers of the summit lighthouse
and related lineages describe a hidden priesthood
within the mountain known as the Brotherhood
of Mount Shasta. These adepts are said to have
tended to the sacred flame of Mu, the Law -specific
continent, since before its fall. When the ocean
reclaimed the world, they carried a spiritual
fire into the volcano's and kept it burning through
the centuries of darkness. They say inside Shasta's
crystals hall, the brotherhood holds a vigil.
a council of masters of saints and lamarin initiates
overseeing the spiritual evolution of the West,
and pilgrims describe feeling their presence
as a sudden peace or a violent radiance that
sweeps through the meadows. In this theology
and in this teaching, the Brotherhood connects
prehistory and prophecy, the unbroken chain of
Mu and the modern seekers. The mountain's glow
at sunset becomes a sign of the silent guardianship,
kind of like a beacon for anyone listening beneath
the noise of wind and time. So you have these
send it master races. And this ultimate race
reminds me of the Nazis like master race. Let's
march forward. It gets kind of wild. And there's
a lot of connected wild stories to this. I do
have one that I would love to talk about it.
It's a little bit further. I just want, I want
to, I just want to tell you that the I am movement
is still alive and well today. They have a Shasta
Springs retreat, a 400 acre property near Dunsmear.
North of Shasta hosts summer conclaves, youth
programs, decree sessions, where participants
invoke Jermaine's violet flame for global healing.
They also have the IM school. It's kindergarten
through 12th grade in Mount Shasta city, founded
under Jermaine's quote unquote radiation, integrates
academics with ascendant master principles like.
mighty I am presence. And they also have annual
pageants. Maybe you shouldn't hurt your daughter
in the one. They've had these since 1950. The
I am calm pageant. It's a musical drama on Jesus's
life plays at GW Ballard amphitheater in Nowshasta
city. So this, this foundation still exists.
It publishes 21 books in the St. Germain series
distributed worldwide and warns against imposter
groups, diluting the teachings, the Senate master
teachings. And I guess it's all copyrighted.
Yeah, man. I don't think I need to enter my daughter.
I can. Dude, you are that beard, man. That thing's
killer. No, cool. I think it brings up a good
point though. Do you want to talk a little bit
about what I am is like? What are their teachings?
What makes them like a cult? Yeah. So, you know,
they have. Seven fundamental truths. The first
one is there's only one presence, God, the I
Am, which I agree, there's only one real God,
the Son is Jesus Christ. Two, your I Am presence
is God individualized in you, not a distant deity,
but you in perfection. We know we're not perfect
and we can't gain perfection through our own
deeds or works. We have to accept Jesus Christ
as our Lord and savior. Number three, what you
think, feel and say after I Am comes into form.
So here again, something that unfortunately Finally,
in my opinion, has crept into some of the modern
day church, particularly the prosperity church.
So this is just another word, in my opinion,
and I think my opinion is spot on. So this is
the whole manifestation thing. You can't manifest
anything. You can control the way you think,
you can believe in God, you can pray, and God's
not gonna give you everything you want. God will
bless you beyond measure, but what's a blessing
for me or you or any of our listeners is completely
different. So they're proposing this whole manifestation.
A cult view. Number four, the violent. Flame
transmutes all human miscreation. So essentially,
it's Saint Germain's gift to dissolve karma and
error. Again, we go with this whole karma thing.
I don't know why Saint Germain seems to be their
prophet, their messiah, but again, going down
the wrong road, focus is not on Christ, focus
is not on loving your neighbor, forgiveness.
Even in the Bible, God, the prophets, the apostles
said, you will suffer. And we all suffer in our
own ways on a very regular basis. But God is
there to help us get through and strengthen our
faith. Number five, you're responsible for all.
Every motion, thaw, or ward is recorded in your
aura. Again, more BS. This is just so occulty
and new age. It blows my mind. Number six, the
Ascendant Masters are real. Beings like Jesus,
Saint Germain, El Mora, all once walked the earth
and now assist in the higher planes. So again,
now we're taking the deity of Jesus Christ and
either reducing it and putting it on terms of
other Ascendant Masters or taking these other
people that at one point in time walked the earth,
but once they die, they're not helping us anymore.
They're somewhere else. They're heaven, hell,
but they're taking these people who have passed
on and putting them up to Christ's level. And
last but not least, obedience to the great divine
plan is the path of freedom. Harmony and universal
law leads to ascension. Again, we go back to
the theosophist beliefs of karma, manifestation,
taking principles from Eastern religions, Western
religions, esotericism, and jumbling them all
up to give this one theological viewpoint where
everybody can look at it and say, yeah, that's
cool. It makes sense. Buddha, Christ, whomever,
they're all just different. manifestations of
God. And there couldn't be anything further from
the truth, especially if you read the Bible and
see what God says. God says, I am a jealous God.
And there's only one way to heaven is through
Christ. So, man, there's just a list of key ascended
masters I might even go over. They also have
core cosmology, the famous chart your life, chart
your divine self. I'm not even going to look
at it because I don't need to. plague my mind
with such silliness. And then there's the whole
concept of the violet consuming flame, the heart
of the practice, quote unquote, the purpose transmutates,
quote unquote, burns away negative karma, discord,
and human misqualification from past and present
lives. So let's learn something new. So they
believe in past lives, which again, not biblical.
And they visualize a blazing violet fire with
electric blue core surrounding the body. And
there's some decrees, chants, I'm not going to
read them. And they believe in the spoken word
of creative power. So, I don't even want to bore
our audience with the other ten principles they
have, but you can see pretty quick that this
is very occult, very new age. Yeah, what I liked,
and when I say like, I mean it ironically, was
Ballard's revelation. That divine spark within
every human could be awakened through decrees
and violent flame rituals. And it spread fast.
What we saw was in the late 1930s, thousands
were chanting invocations to the masters in hotel
ballrooms and on mountain meadows. And the Ballard's
organization, the St. Germain family, still existed.
Its temples dotted small towns across America.
And each August, a pageant filled the Forest
Amphitheater at Shasta Springs with music, banners,
and violent light. Visitors described the spectacle
as half revival, half opera. One former attendee
remembers standing in a circle at dawn as hundreds
of voices chanted, I am the light of the world.
And the sound rolled down the slope and seemed
to bounce back from the peak and speak to them.
And for a moment, she said, it felt like the
mountain was answering her. Others found the
experience unsettling. Strict schedules, rules
against doubt, talk of total devotion to their
supreme masters. The Ballard's 1940s mail fraud
trial only heightened the movement's secrecy.
Outsiders called it a cult, much like I do, and
insiders called it proof of persecution. In the
decades that followed, Shasta became a magna
for new iterations of that same hunger. Groups
with names like the Summit Lighthouse and Church
Universal and Triumphant set up conclés near
Lake Sissacue, blending the IM's fiery patriotism
with a gentler new age mysticism. Every few years,
new light families arrived. Temporary communes
promising ascension through diet, chanting, or
crystal therapy. One former participant recalled
being told to surrender her phone for a three
-day activation. We sang until we forget the
time, she said. At first it felt like a release
and then it felt like control. Locals see the
pattern clearly. Each new wave arrives beneath
the same clouds. like leaders, strict controls,
barred by Wintu terminology, and a story that
always begins with a revelation on the mountain.
Residents really have grown wary, but rarely
hostile. As one shopkeeper put it, they come
looking for God, but they keep finding each other.
Modern testimonies online still capture the mountain's
pull. I cried so much, I felt I was releasing
a lifetime of trauma. One tourist wrote in her
like vortex tour. Then I was filled with so much
love, I didn't think my body could hold it all
in. The other described her post -retreat glow.
After the retreat, I was filled with so much
joy and gratitude, I finally brought back my
home to my true soul essence here in Mount Shasta.
And this language repeats across websites and
flyers and this kind of soft rhythm of awakening
and purification and homecoming. Yet I think
beneath the serenity lies the same structure
that once made the I am activity a lightning
rod. Charismatic leaders, isolation from the
outside world and the mountain as unquestionable
authority. A few locals that I saw whispered
about a modern off -grid communities renting
cabins for 1111 activations. The same night's
UFO hunters stake out the ridge line. One neighbor
recalls seeing a procession of white robed figures
walking towards Panther Meadow with torches.
He said they look like ghost out of old pageants,
just quieter. From the indigenous Wintu elders,
all of this attention cuts both ways. Panther
Meadow, portal meadow to the mystics remains
their most sacred site at birth pace of People
come to heal, they said, but they don't ask who
the mountain already belongs to. To her, the
real ceremony is the one that's been held there
for a millennia, not the one advertised on glossy
posters and promising ascension to a higher authority.
Now, I think what we see is today Mount Shatsa
is both a shrine and a stage, a quiet volcano
with a very busy imagination, a natural wonder
layered with human longing. Its slopes host yoga
mats and these violent flames. Its caves echo
with chance. and its skies fill with drones filming
these clouds mistaken for ships. But from Ballard's
first I am decree to that modern star seat activation,
every group that gathers here believes the same
thing, that the mountain is awake and that it
is listening. Now, it seems like pageantry to
me. People want to believe in something and that
faith is misplaced. I always think it takes a
lot more faith to be an atheist or to believe
in the Big Bang because you're just believing
in one miracle. It's a lot easier to believe
that we had a Christ that died for our sins and
conquered the grave. To me, it's just easier.
all the benefits and I have none of the bad outcomes
that are already on your plate. But when you
refuse to believe in the truth, you body your
soul. Crave somewhere to put that. And I think
sometimes people misrepresent that. They're putting
their hope into something that is false and it's
going to destroy them. And it's not going to
give them the ability to conquer the grave through
a perfect savior. So I think it's misplaced hope,
what it ultimately boils down to, but a weird
thing to believe it, man. I find it a little
bit shady, but there are some interesting stories
coming out of there. So, you know, you said that
term 1111, and that's a very new age, occult
time. And so essentially what it means, so many
modern day occult. this interpret scene 11 11
repeatedly is synchronicity. It's a message from
the universe, guardian spirits, or one's higher
self to wake up. And it's also related to manifestation
portals. So again, we go back to this, I know
we're talking about on the cult organization,
so it shouldn't be a surprise that they use these
numbers and it's also an angelic number. So an
angelic numerology popularized by Doreen virtue
and later mystics 11 11 said to mean your thoughts
are manifesting rapidly. So these people are
heavily involved into the occult manifestation.
And I know we talked earlier about this kind
of infiltrating the church and we can do a different
episode on that, but I guess you would call them
more modern ogens and authors use that kind of
new agey occult. manifestation and they tried
to branch into Christianity. Like I said before,
it's like the prosperity church, the power of
positive thinking. So this has weaseled its way
into modern day Christianity in some form or
fashion. And it's, unfortunately for the people
who believe it, it's not a biblical tea. That
kind of reminds me of the prosperity gospel.
God's only here to do amazing things for you
and make you super wealthy and have a private
house. Yeah, like forget heaven. You can get
it all here. Like, you want some money? Just
donate to my church, listen to my message, buy
my books, and you're all set. And then people,
when the people do it, and it doesn't work for
99 .9 % of the people, they lose faith in God.
And it's because they're coming at it with the
wrong intention, the wrong heart space. And it's
just sad, man, because of the wolves in sheep's
clothing, man. They walk these people down the
wrong path, and they lose faith, and judgment's
gonna be harsh for them. Yeah, a hundred percent.
When we're talking about these more modern stories
connected in Manchester, I got to tell my favorite
one. So have you heard of the robot grandma and
the flashing cage? Yeah, I know a little bit
about it, but please tell me. I want to hear
your edition. So it began as a missing child
alert in the summer of 2011. Another brief panic
in the forest around McLeod Falls. A three -year
-old boy wandered away from his family's cap
site, vanishing into the woods for several hours.
I'm thinking about my son. He's right around
that age and vanishing. my heart would break.
I would be in a panic. I'd probably die of a
heart attack wherever I found them, because I'd
be so scared. But anyways, when searchers finally
found him near dusk, unharmed but dazed, his
story was something no ranger could have scripted.
He said his grandmother had found him, only it
wasn't really her. She looked the same, but moved
strangely, stiffly, like a puppet learning to
walk. She led him by the hand through the trees
into a cave where the air blinked with lights
that came out of the walls. Inside she asked
him to lie on a made of stone and began checking
him, touching his head, his legs, and asking
him really odd questions in a flat voice. He
then fell asleep on this stone and woke up outside
by the creek. Sunlight in his eyes and the cave
completely gone. When his family heard the story,
confusion really gave way to this uneasy feeling.
The grandmother, he described, had never left
camp. She stayed there. The incident spread through
online forums, folded into the missing 411 lore
and late night podcasts. Some said the boy was
taken into Tellios for testing. that he had wandered
into a shapeshifters den. The robot grandma became
shorthand for a darker side of Shasta's portals.
An intelligence that mimics what we love most
to draw us deeper underground and into this story.
To me, it sounds kind of like a demon. It seems
weird that she's touching this kid. Perhaps she
thought he was injured or perhaps it was a kid
that fell asleep with, had a crazy nightmare
that he thought was real. Sometimes my kid has
dreams and he wakes up in a panic and he thinks
they're real. So I could see that occurring as
well. But to me, that's just a Super interesting
story to frame it around 2011. Yeah, that is
an interesting story Sometimes I wonder he was
three so I don't know of many three -year -olds
who can communicate all that well or tell grandiose
stories. So I'm wondering if whoever he told
this story to blew it up a portion. Maybe he
doesn't even know what a robot is. A three, I
don't know. It just seems unlikely you would
get this somewhat detailed story from a three
-year -old kid who was, how long was he missing
for again? Did you say? Basically like a night.
He wandered away from camp and he was discovered
around dusk. Yeah. And you know how kids are.
You know how we were when we were kids. You have
these fantastic imaginations. At three, you probably
don't know if he did anything wrong by wandering
away. You just know mom and dad are freaked out
when they find you. And it almost sounds like
the kid got lost. They found him. They were freaked
out. He didn't really know what to tell them.
So he made up probably a story based off the
last cartoon he watched. I just throw that out
pretty quick. I can't tell you, my son loves
robots and he's three. He actually dressed up
as a robot for Halloween just this past weekend.
But could he tell a story like this? I imagine
he could. All right, maybe perhaps he's worried
he's going to get in trouble so he missed. Brexit
and tells a tall tale and maybe gets him out
of trouble. So I could see it, but it also could
be something deeper and far more scary that there
is a demon or there's something else that's percolating
in the background. Cause I can tell you, my kid
communicates pretty well at three. He's able
to tell stories. He's able to tell me what he
saw, what he did for the day, all those kinds
of things. So there is a probably less likely,
but also. a darker possibility that's associated
with it. Yeah, but I'm trying to think in the
past, I don't know of any stories, correct me
if I'm wrong audience, please, but I don't know
of any stories where children are, I kind of
want to say kidnapped. but presented to by demons.
I think the only ones that have happened are
kids that are being sacrificed to idols thousands
of years ago. But that's because someone, i .e.
their parents, are taking them to the altar to
be sacrificed. I just don't know if demons particularly
mess with kids. I'm not saying kids can't see
stuff. I just don't know if they're messed with.
I don't necessarily believe that they're allowed
to be messed with at that age. Possible. I don't
know. I feel like kids are closer to God because
God has a a special place in his heart for them.
And if he does, then I think the devil's kind
of working on the counterpoint, trying to lead
them astray before they establish that relationship.
Yeah, but I just, I don't know. I'll have to
do some research on that. I just, I don't know
of any stories about. anyone under the age of
12 really being possessed or maybe they act weird
or maybe they have some sort of mental illness
or something. But I just don't know of any like
verified stories about being kidnapped by spirits
or being manifested to by spirits or being possessed
by demons. Yeah, it's a super interesting place
because as we're obviously talking a lot about
the I am movement and the conspiracies connected
to that. But I think beneath the mysticism runs
a colder rumor that Mount Shasta hides not only
the Lemurians, but laboratories. Conspiracy theorists
map the area as home to what they say is D -U
-M -B, or dumb. The deep underground military
base barreled into the mountain's core. They
speak of an elevator shaft disguised as vents
of camouflage, hangars hidden in glacier crevices
of humming heard through the rock on quiet nights.
In this version, the mountain's orbs and strange
lights aren't spiritual at all. They're actually
experimental aircraft, reverse engineered from
recovered technology. Local accounts describe
convoys of unmarked trucks entering four service
roads at odd hours or the distant thump of machinery,
which, you know, should only be silence. The
legend folds neatly into the broader myth of
Shasta's underground. Telios, for the mystics,
dumb for the paranoids, two language for the
same unease, and that something enormous and
secret moves beneath our feet. Perhaps the boy
was talking about a creature, perhaps he made
up a story, or perhaps he ran into one of these
underground tunnels and maybe met a government
guy that was just trying to make sure he was
okay and make his way home. And the story got
twisted. I guess it's a possibility. I know you've
referenced David Polides, his missing 411. And
I think one of the theories, and it's not proven,
it's just speculation, is that these areas that
have a cluster of missing people, usually it
happens out in nature, someplace like Mount Shasta
or somewhere in some forest. And one of the theories
is that It coincides with like the deep underground
military bases that people wander into these
areas and they're just taking a release. I assume
the conclusion is that they're just killed and
that way they can't share the knowledge of this.
So if we believe that route then, or if anyone
believes that route, I guess that could be a
pretty good explanation. Maybe they didn't have
it in their heart to do anything bad to a three
-year -old kid and knowing that he's three years
old, if they just put him back out, like no one's
going to believe what he says anyways. Yeah.
But so Mount Shasta is a volcano. And so there
are like, there are tunnels that are like old
lava flow tunnels. For someone to say they walked
into a tunnel that was miles deep, it's not out
of the question. It's frankly, probably a good
possibility that if somebody found one of these
tunnels, they probably could walk through it
for miles and miles. Mount Shasta is big and
as nature does its thing, it's carving out these
tunnels just naturally. Yeah. In my research,
what I found was some people said the mountain
hums because something's down there is running.
The rumor of a dumb or a deep underground military.
buried inside the volcano itself, and the labyrinth
of tunnels, freight elevators, and cold laboratories
hidden beneath the snow. What I saw was truckers
talk about unmarked convoys slipping into the
forest roads at night, hikers telling of metallic
vibrations underfoot and lights flickering behind
the tree lines where no roads exist. Some even
claim to have seen disguised vents releasing
mist that isn't steam or the faint pulse of radar
where no towers stand. My research says the U
.S. government or some older, quieter power has
been conducting experiments under Shasta for
decades, weather control, dimensional travel,
or genetic engineering. Now, we've seen a lot
of television documentaries and late night radio
specials revisit this story every few years,
looping the same drone footage over whispers
of secrecy, and scientists ultimately dismiss
it. Of course, just geothermal labs, nothing
more. But in the towns that circle the mountain,
people still swear they can feel the machinery
humming far below like the breath of a giant
that never quite went to sleep. So there are
a lot of people talking about government facilities
down there. And one of the biggest things that
they talk about with Mount Shasta is sightings
of UFOs. Do you know any good stories about the
UFOs and Mount Shasta? I do, but I want to talk
about this deep underground military base thing.
So this is pretty interesting. So a leaked 1980s
map of 129 dumps listed Shasta as number three.
And the claim was that it's connected via high
speed maglev tunnels to bases like China Lake
and 29. Homs, which is a marine base. These tunnels
allegedly span 1 .5 to 3 miles deep, powered
by geothermal vents or Shasta Lakes Dam. This
leaked 1980s map claims that the Shasta base
is 42 levels deep, housing 20 ,000 plus personnel.
It even has livestock, apparently, in the tech
labs. The entrances are hidden near lava tubes,
like we talked about, near Flume Creek or Panther
Meadows. So Shasta's deep underground bases are
often portrayed as multifunctional. They blend
military operations with occult horror. And here's
a breakdown. So one of the theories is it's a
mind control hub from the monarch program. So
a brief description, the base broadcast holographic
alien communications. Here we go back to Bluebeam
to induce mass delusions, reprogramming CIA MK
ultra monarch slaves. So essentially. The claim
is that these slaves or trafficked victims turned
to assassins. Captives arrived via black helicopter
or flying saucers. This gets really fantastical
just to warn everybody, but it's fun to think
about. And the facilities include torture chambers
with high tech VR gear. This kind of came from
Kathy O 'Brien's Transformation of America back
in 1995. And that describes the largest mind
control center in the country. There's also a
claim of ET collaboration and trafficking. And
we'll have to do a deep dive on Phil Schneider.
want to ask you if you heard about him, but he's
got some pretty fantastic claims, but he's dead
now under very mysterious circumstances. But
the claim from Phil was that these underground
labs host gray reptilians for hybrid experiments
and they traffic children and are harvesting
adrenochrome for slave labor. So again, the fantastical.
Even to a certain extent, like almost unbelievable.
It's also claimed that it's a doomsday tech bunker
for elite survival. It's an elite survival wall
with aerospace, R &D, specifically anti -gravity
craft and bio weapons labs, which I would believe
that out of all these theories so far. And then
it's, this is probably if not the most fantastical,
very close. It's a antianlumerian prison. This
kind of theory merged with Shasta's myths. Atlanteans,
sealed Lumerians, and pleasure palaces, and the
dumb overlords exploit this for psychic tech.
And I am not being tongue in cheek when I say
dumb, because it's pretty dumb. I don't know,
I'm getting locked up in a pleasure palace. It
doesn't even make sense. Are you going to put
someone in an awesome prison? Like, I don't get
it. Yeah. One of the things you mentioned was
the reptilian bases at the base of the volcano.
Obviously a lot of us hear about, there is a
conspiracy theory going on out there that I think
is quite wild where, you know, a lot of the government
figures are actually reptilian and they do really
bad things to children and stuff. But I think
as we trace it back, right, deep beneath the
glacier fields of Mount Shasta, supposedly, other
race stirs, the reptilians. In this chapter of
the lore, Shasta isn't just home to the Lemurians
or the Atlanteans, but to an entirely separate
species of scaled subterranean beings. Some versions
call them the ancient earthlings, descendant
of dinosaurs who evolved into intelligence and
retreated underground after the planet's last
great extinction. Others say they've off -world
colonies who arrived eons ago, tunneling beneath
volcanoes to harvest geothermal energy. They're
described as tall. cold -eyed, and telepathic,
moving through heat -proof tunnels lit by bioluminescent
fungi. Conspiracy theories map their layers alongside
military bases, suggesting covert alliances between
governments and the reptilian overlords. In this
web, Shasta becomes this junction of Lemurian
light above, reptilian shadow below. The two
civilizations coexist uneasily. Ancient rivals
sharing the same mountain, each guarding its
secrets. And every few years, hikers report a
metallic smell or a flash of greenish light deep
in the crevices. Now to scientists, it's sulfur
gas. And to believers, it's something far older.
Proof that the mountain's cold heart is still
beating with those of its first inhabitants.
And some people tie some of the disappearances,
which we'll have to talk about to these Bigfoot
stories. Yeah, that's interesting. So we have
Bigfoot, which we've seen countless places across.
We have giants, we have Lemurians, and even before
the UFOs and before the talk of the lost continents,
the tribes of Northern California already told
stories about the wagas, the little people. the
star folk, the watchers who live between worlds.
Among the Wintu, the Kirkku, and the Shasta tribes,
these beings were neither ghosts nor gods, but
something in between. Small, luminous figures
who emerged at night from stones or mist, bringing
knowledge from the stars. Some tales describe
them as ancestors, others as travelers who came
down on beams of light to teach songs or survival
skills and then returned to the heavens. Modern
mystics have folded these stories into Shasta's
cosmic mythology, the Walgas. are now cast as
pre -Lamarian beings, guardians who keep the
gates of the mountain before Telios was even
imagined. In this retelling, they are the caretakers
of the portals, an invisible but ever -present,
protecting the delicate balance between our world
and whatever lies beneath. Campers sometimes
report feeling watched on the slopes, glimpses,
flashes of pale figures darting between the rocks,
and some call them spirits, and others call them
the first witnesses to everything that came after.
So we have sightings of very tall people and
very short people. and giants and discovery of
skeletons. And I think we even talked about the
Starfolk in the Grand Canyon episode when we
were going down that trial. And they say through
the ley line that the Grand Canyon to Mount Shasta
is connected. So perhaps we have some connective
tissue there. Yeah, man. So I think this is a
good transition into the missing people stories.
So we can talk about Carl Landers a bit. If you
want to take that or I can take that. It's up
to you. Not good. Yeah. So Carl Landers was born
in December 29th, 1929. He was a fit adventurous
retiree. a former school board member. He was
an avid outdoorsman. He was a marathon runner,
a technical climber, and a peak bagger aiming
to summit the highest point in every California
County. So this guy was fairly experienced with
climbing mountains and he was obviously very
fit. He was a bit older when he disappeared.
I think he was 69 when he disappeared. So on
May 21st, 1999, he arrived in the area with two
lifelong climbing buddies, Barry Gilmore and
Milton Gaines, both from Oren. They stayed at
a motel in Mount Shasta City and they drove to
the trailhead at Bunny Flat, which is an elevation
of 8 ,100 feet. So you can do the math there.
There's about another 6 ,000 plus feet they had
to get to the summit. So outline the timeline
of his disappearance. So the events unfolded
pretty rapidly on a clear calm morning, which
kind of made the Vanishing a little bit more
inexplicable. So on May 21st through May 24th,
the group acclimates at the motel. No issues
reported. They hike to camp one near Helen Lake
and an elevation of 10 ,400 feet instead of base.
So on May 25th at camp, Carl complains of feeling
poorly. It probably was altitude sickness, which
is not uncommon at that elevation. So he decides
to push ahead alone. to a flat bare spot on Helen
Lake about 900 to a thousand feet uphill from
camp to rest in. catch his breath. So he's last
seen a full view wearing a rust colored jacket,
ski pants, hiking boots, and crampons, gloves,
and a backpack with food, water, and gear. And
he didn't really show any signs of distress.
And that was around 9 a .m. So between 930 and
10, Barry and Mitt finished packing and follow
the same trail. Visibility is good. The path
is well marked, open snow field with no cliffs,
no dense woods, and no hiding spots. So at 10
a .m. his partners reach Helen Lake. Carl is
gone. They can't find any foot prints, gears,
or tracks in the fresh snow. So they start searching
and they can't really find anything. The partners
hike the entire route that day, summoning and
descending, calling for Carl en route. They reported
him missing upon returning to the trailhead around
6 PM. So this time the Shasta County Sheriff's
Office gets involved and they launch a massive
operation on May 26th, coordinated by the U .S.
Forest Service and the county search and rescue.
So this is a pretty big effort. Over a hundred
personnel, including helicopters with thermal
imaging, ground teams, cadaver dogs, and climbers
covered 12 plus square miles, including the crevices,
gullies, and off trail areas. Veteran rescuer,
Gri Adams, who had 20 plus years on Shasta led
all the efforts probing the lakes and caves.
So this search lasted 10 days. with intermittent
sweeps through the summer of 1999 and spot checks
into the 2000s. So there was a pretty big recovery
effort to try to find this fella and they didn't
find anything. No clothes, no backpack, no body,
obviously. And Carl's car remained at the trailhead.
So he didn't go back. He didn't. pop into his
car and didn't roll out. The case went cold and
reclassified as a missing person by the Department
of Justice later that year. As of 2025, he's
listed as a missing person with no updates. So
what do you think? What do you make of that,
brother? Have you ever heard of the 60 -foot
hole that won't go away? Tell me. I don't think
I have. And so years ago, climbers discovered
a mysterious hand dug shaft on Mount Shasta's
flank, which was this neat circular bore about
15 feet wide and 60 feet deep. descending straight
into the rock. Authorities later filled it in
for what they called safety. That story kind
of refuses to be buried. What was it? A treasure
tunnel, a secret entrance to Tellios, an unfinished
experiment. Nobody really agrees. And I think
that's the beauty of it. The Shasta hole has
become a mirror for the imagination. The Warshars
test of ice and stone. And perhaps maybe he fell
down the 60 foot hole. Where was the hole though?
This guy was pretty high up in the elevation.
Yeah, they say this is pretty high up. So they
didn't point. to exactly where it was, but I
don't know. A lot of this Mount Shasta stuff
connects to the hollow earth theory that people
love to talk about that I don't necessarily believe
in. It started somewhere, I guess, mid mountain
and folks could fall down in it. So the government
covered it up. I could not find the exact location
on a map or in a document, but somewhere up there
in this mythical mountain. Yeah. I feel like,
so Grizz Adams, I feel like with 20 plus years
on Mount Shasta, especially near the peak, he
would have known where that hole was and would
have. probably searched that pretty quickly if
it was up that high. For some reason, I don't
know if that hole, I know what the hole you're
talking about is. It almost sounds like something
like a prospector would dig, even though it wouldn't
make a lot of sense for a prospector to dig it
up mid -mountain because I watched enough gold
rush to know that all the gold tends to lie in
river beds, creek beds, or beds of the sort that
dry up over time. So to dig a hole that high
up. that far away from a creek bed wouldn't make
a whole lot of sense, but who knows? Maybe you
had an experienced miner or somebody who thought
they found something, but to dig 60 feet is a
pretty big commitment. Yeah. I admit it as more
in tongue in cheek because I think some of this
stuff about Manchester is pretty fantastical.
Have you heard about the interdimensional Sasquatch?
I think we talked a little bit about Sasquatch,
and a lot of people do believe, even modern theorists
now, a lot of these conspiracy shows and podcasts
actually think Sasquatch is an interdimensional
being, and they're serious about it. Yeah, you
take a shirt off and run out in the woods, people
might think they see Sasquatch. In Manscaped
right now, brother. I look like a human, but
give it six months, why not? This one is fantastical,
though. So Bigfoot is a creature of footprints
and obviously folklore. But on Mount Shasta,
he's a glitch in reality. Witnesses tell of hawking
silhouettes crossing pumice flats. Their steps
heavy, but their tracks fading halfway across
the open ground. Others describe orbs of light
pacing the treeline before revolving into a giant
fur covered forms that shimmer and vanish. It's
as if the creature steps between the layers of
the world half an hour. and half and another.
Old tribal stories speak of wild men or shadow
guardians who could move unseen protecting sacred
places and modern witnesses reframe them as interdimensional
travelers, beings who slip through the same portals
that Lemurians use to reach Tellios. Some cryptid
hunters have recorded sudden temperature drops,
flashes of static and magnetic interference whenever
sightings occur, and few claim to have heard
low frequency vibrations in the air and a hum
that feels more mechanical than animal. I think
in Shasta's myth, Bigfoot isn't really a missing
link. It's a messenger, a gatekeeper of the broader
between natural and like the supernatural. Every
broken branch or this kind of echoing howl becomes
a reminder that some myths just don't walk among
us. They phase right through us. Yeah, old Bigfoot.
I'd love to have somebody on the show that's
like a Bigfoot expert. That'd be so cool to interview
someone like that. I'm on the fence with Bigfoot,
man. I'm not real sure what I think it is. There
have been people who claim to have recovered
like fur and they got DNA out of it and it came
back as something unknown. I tend to believe
it's something natural. It's just a species that's...
Like the North American ape or something that
is just you know so rare that it's hard to find
and they're probably a little smarter than the
average animal, but I don't know it's a super
super interesting topic and I would like to do
a deep dive on it, but with my hand being held
with somebody who's a quote unquote expert or
has at least sufficient knowledge on it. So Mount
Shasta is like wildly regarded as one of the
most active interdimensional portal zones on
earth, a place where the veil is thin between
physical reality and higher dimensions. And it's
also says that it's a portal to parallel timelines
and it's supposedly exceptionally thin. These
portals are not physical doors, but energy vortexes
or energy vortices. anomalies. The claim is that
they're consciousness gateways as well. that
they allegedly allow beings, AKA Lumerians, ETs,
Ascendant Masters, I hate that word, and cryptids,
to enter and exit and occasionally humans to
slip through. The concept kind of blends indigenous
shamanism, obviously theosophy, ufology, and
quantum physics. So it gets a little crazy. Hey,
you've talked about the ley lines earlier. The
claim is that the ley lines amplify this high
frequency energy, essentially created from the
volcanic rock amplifies scalar waves. And it
can act as a portal to somewhere else. Here are
apparently seven major portals. So Panther Meadows
is an elevation of 7 ,600 feet. It's the primary
earth portal and the known activity is the Lumarian
Entry -Exit. UFO landings and time slips. You
have one at Heart Lake, which is at 9 ,200 feet.
This is apparently the contact portal. You have
Helen Lake, which oddly enough is where Carl
was at 10 ,400 feet. And they call this the disappearance
portal. I think you need more than one person
to disappear up there to call it a disappearance
portal. Poor Carl Landers, but just because one
guy had the unfortunate circumstance disappearing
doesn't mean that there was a portal. You have
the gateway near Thumb Rock and it's called the
Ascension Portal. And this is where they claim
St. Germain and the violet flame activations
happened. Then you have Pluto's cave. It's at
4 ,200 feet. So a little bit lower on the mountain.
It's apparently an underground portal to Fractalian,
Lumerians and deep underground military base
access. You have Castle Lake at 5 ,500 feet and
it's apparently... the water portal where people
have claimed to have seen underwater lights and
things of the sort. And then last but not least,
you have McLeod River Falls at 3 ,500 feet and
it's apparently the elemental portal. And that's
where people have heard sound anomalies and have
seen fairies. So a lot of this to me just screams
esoteric kind of nonsense, but I think to cover
this topic, we had to bring it up. So there are,
there are a couple of famous portal incidents.
There's one at panther medals. In 1987, a group
of 12 meditators saw a seven -foot robe, step
out of thin air, walk 20 feet and vanish into
the meadows. I'm curious as to if they were doing
mushrooms or not. 2016, Ricardo Gonzalez led
an expedition and used telepathic coordinates
to open a portal and claimed a triangular craft
appeared on cue filmed by 40 witnesses. I didn't
check to see if that was confirmed, but I'm guessing
some sort of drugs or... Some sort of psychotic
break was involved. And in 2023, a hiker reported
time dilation. He claimed to have left at 2 PM,
returned at six, but his watch only showed 30
minutes had passed. So that's a little interesting
to me. That kind of piques my curiosity, whether
or not that's true or not. I guess he would only
know. So the portal Heart Lake is a CE5 hotspot.
So in 2021 to 2025, monthly human initiated contact
events using Dr. Stephen Greer's protocols. Again,
I don't even want to get in the steam. Greer,
but they claim to have summoned orbs and light
shifts. One video from 2024 shows a golden Merkaba
spinning over the lake. So I'm not even get into
the mechanisms of Stephen Greer's protocols because
I think it's a cult. And I think when you start
deviling the cult, you can summon stuff. So I
didn't want to get into that. And then there's
obviously like we talked about Carl, you have
the Helen Lake, the vanishing zone. Sometimes
I think these people get disoriented or. There's
some other underlying cause that make them get
a bit disoriented, which is curious, but at the
same time. I just feel like these one -off cases
are by no means evidence. Yeah, what's interesting
about Panther Meadow, known among the mystics
as the Portal Meadow, it sets high on Mount Shasta's
southern slope, and it's a stretch of soft grass
and wildflowers fed by a spring so pure, the
Wintu people have worshipped it for centuries.
To the Wintu, this is the birthplace of humanity.
The Axe is where the creator shaped the world.
And to the New Age seekers, it's a stargate.
a vortex, a place where time and light seem to
thin. Now that Meadow has been placed under new
protective orders beginning August 14th of 2024
and lasting until August 14th of 2026, the US
Forest Service has enacted restrictions, limited
group sizes, prohibitions on stepping into the
springs, and leash laws for animals. The update
issued in March 25 is meant to protect fragile
habitats, but to believers, it reads like something
else. They call it guarding the doorway, this
bureaucratic echo of the ancient ideal that the
gate must be watched. The rules may be simple,
but the mythic language of Shasta, even in ordinance,
can feel like a sign. And when government red
tape comes in, it makes people start to guess
of what's really happening there. Now, there
is obviously a lot of rumors, a lot of tales,
and a lot of stories. How much is confirmed,
I don't know. But it seems like there could be
seeds of truth if so many people are collectively
talking about it. Now, I know there's also a
culture in some of these hippie communes and
hippie villages that you go up there that they
do a lot of mushrooms and they do get very high
as they worship the mountains. It could be a
mix of things of people thinking they see something
that's not really there and maybe something going
on. So anything else you want to explore on this
topic? Because I'm just getting a lot of occult
stuff. and a pretty big occult vibe. Yeah, so
I think one of the interesting things that I
found in my research was the new monument on
Shasta's doorstep. Just northeast of Mount Shasta,
the Medicine Lake Highlands have taken on a new
name and a new life. And I can't pronounce this
name, but I think it's something along the lines
of Satatia Highlands National Monument, which
was established in 25. Spanning more than 224
,000 acres of volcanic terrain, lava beds, obsidian
domes, and this kind of vast labyrinth. The monument
preserves land that both scientists and storytellers
have long claimed as sacred. For indigenous communities,
it's a cradle of origin and ceremony. And for
mystics, it's an extension of Shasta's unseen
architecture. Another piece of planetary power
grid. The highlands honeycomb of the lava tubes
has been mapped and named in local folklore as
the underground labyrinth, a rumored corridor
linking Shasta to distant hollow Earth cities.
Even NASA once trained astronauts here, testing
equipment in the alien landscapes of basalt and
glass, which only fueled the legend further.
Now, with federal protections assuring that the
terrain remains untouched, both history and mystery
kind of coexist. And tourists come for the geology's
come obviously for the energy. I think either
way this new monument expands Shasta's mythic
frontier and another gate on the map of the mountain
that really never runs out of entrances. Yeah
I think to do the topic justice we kind of have
to touch on UFOs a bit so I didn't know this
but Mount Shasta is the number 13 UFO hotspot
in the US. So apparently there's 600 plus documented
sightings between 1947 and 2025. The most recent
one was from the IM group claimed to see a violet
beam from summit that lasted I think seven minutes
and it had 1200 plus witnesses. And apparently
it's on 4k video and thermal cam. So this is
where my belief in Christ and the Bible comes
into play. I think people can summon demons and
can summon things, especially with intention
that are not what you think they are. So again,
here we are with people conflating one thing
for something else. So it's not shocking that
these 1200 plus people saw something and recorded
it. I just don't think it's something good. Also
in October 19th, 2025, this, obviously that's
this year, there was a phone video of a Tic Tac
over McLeod falls. It was recorded by three hikers
again. So I can just keep reading these off just
in the past year or two. So There is something
crazy going on up there. And the one weird thing
that I ran across was there was a quote by a
anonymous Shasta Ranger. And he was quoted as
saying, I've seen things up there that don't
fit any manual lights that follow you footprints
that stop people who walk into the mist and don't
come out. The mountain isn't haunted. It's awake.
I don't know. It seems like something metaphysical
or supernatural may be happening up there. But
I think like with anything in this world, man,
like you start seeing some of these phenomena
and I don't think they are. what you think there.
I don't think it's aliens. I don't think it's
cryptids. I don't think it's you're seeing people
ascending masters, phasing in and out of reality.
I think it's demons playing their games. And
in this case, probably being summoned by these
people who want to see them. Yeah. It's a good
point. As far as I'm concerned, I think Mount
Chasta is like the leading place in the United
States where people see foes and it's very common.
You could Google search it and you can probably
come up with some video that's showing. I don't
know if there's anything concrete that says,
Hey, these are aliens visiting our world. ironic
how it's close to Area 51, as close to the Grand
Canyon. It's close to these areas that we see
a whole lot of activity. I might as well cover
it because it's on our podcast, but it's like
what people call the clouds that park like ships.
So on still afternoons, when lights lean gold
over the cascades, Mount Shasta summit often
wears a strange crown, a stack of clouds, silver
disc layered like saucers. Meteorologists call
them standing wave clouds formed when moist air
rides up the mountain, hits the cold. layers
and folds back on itself. Scientifically explainable.
But legends don't stop there. The local and spiritual
tourists alike say those aren't clouds so much
as a mothership. hidden in plain sight, resting
above the summit and waiting. Lights have been
claimed beneath them, descending the ridges,
slipping into twilight, and photographers snap
images of perfect disc shapes, flawless symmetry,
and they call them UFO clouds. The lore of Tellios
of the Subtranian cities and hidden doorways
such as clouds are highways or parking bays for
crafts that kind of travel between dimensions.
The mountain becomes not only a sacred site,
but also an airfield to the unseen. Hikers who
pause at dusk silhouette after silhouette sometime
hear the hum of something unclassified. They
set up tripods and cameras and they whisper about
ships parked in the sky. The myth and the meteorology
merge. These discs become more than weather.
They become symbols that coexist together of
our outer world and our inner world of the mundane
and the miraculous at Shasta skies open up just
enough to let the myth breathe. I've seen pictures
of these. They're pretty interesting though.
I don't know that I would ever confuse them for
UFOs, but there are a whole lot of sightings
out there. Yeah. So what do you think Mount Shasta
is, man? What's your conclusion? I spent hours
upon hours pouring in research into Mount Shasta.
My conclusion is I don't know. And I'm okay saying
that I don't know. I think there's a lot of interesting
things that are going on out there. Some may
be things we can't quantify. Perhaps it's Bigfoot
and people call it Bigfoot, but perhaps it's
like a bear standing on their back legs. I don't
really know. But there's a lot of interesting
stuff going on out there. And I don't know if
we'll ever know. I think the mystics want to
believe it's something that it's not. I do believe
that the cults think this mountain is something,
and I just don't see any research that supports
their conclusions about Lemuria or Atlantis or
aliens or any of this stuff that's circulating.
But I do think there's a lot of weirdness going
on out there. It's not a place I would want to
walk alone at night, whether it be because the
cults are going to grab you or something. something's
going to grab you or you're going to fall into
a lava tube or whatever the case may be. But
it's a whole lot of strangeness that it's hard
for me to classify, but I just say approach these
subjects easily. You can believe in some things.
You don't have to believe in all things and keep
your heart centered on God. What about you? Yeah,
I struggle with it too. There seems to be a lot
of occult. aka demonic activity out there. So
I know historically, both biblically and through
other religious texts, both oral and the ones
that are written down, angels tend, when they
leave their original habitat coming down to earth,
they tend to land on mountains. Which is an interesting
fact. The 200 Watchers, when they descended from
heaven, they landed on top of Mount Hermon. I'm
wondering if it's not some sort of area where
demons, fallen angels are at, like their presences
and with all these occultists and theosophists
and the offshoots of them are in their own way
worshiping them and asking to see them. And so
they're manifesting some pretty gnarly things.
I also too think it is volcanic mountain. So
I wonder how much of it can be explained by physics
in geomagnetic phenomena. It's a place that I
think as of 200 years ago, it erupted. So I think
that kind of takes away the possibility that
there's an underground city there. I think if
it's erupted, anything underneath it would have
been long destroyed. And there have been several
eruptions in the past thousand years. So it's
not like it's been a dormant mountain for a thousand
years. So there's been enough. destruction and
eruptions to have destroyed whatever was underneath
there. Do I believe it? No, but it's fun to think
about maybe some deep underground military bases
there. I think the possibility is slim. I do
think they exist around the country, but do they
exist there? I just don't think there's enough
evidence to suggest that. But lean toward the
spiritual demonic type presence that people are
summoning with their intentions. We talked about
people's intentions with our demonic doll. episode.
And I think this is falls in that category. I've
actually, I've seen the mountain before, not
up close and personal, but driving or flying
near it. I've seen the mountain and sometimes
things that are absolutely beautiful, that are
absolutely majestic. You give it enough time.
It breeds really interesting stories that people
want to tell and connect to it and feel like
they belong by telling these tales around a fire.
So I think everything that is beautiful or majestic
that God has created. Eventually people start
telling tales about it. And it is, it's a beautiful
thing to see when you're out on the West coast.
But I don't know, man. I think there's probably
some demonic things that are going on out there
as they always are when they're tied to cults.
I think the possibility of a military base is
probably the most plausible explanation for things
that are going on out there. A lot of the things
that went on with Area 51 are experimental aircrafts
that you're seeing. So perhaps people are seeing
experimental aircrafts. We know the military
did training out there. We know NASA did training
out there as well. So I think it's the most plausible
explanation for some of these sightings that
people are seeing. And then it's just, I think,
the science that people don't understand if we're
talking about meteorology with the cloud formations
above the mountain and what caused it. If you've
already gone down a rabbit hole, you're not going
to listen to the lab and science. You're going
to want to breathe the myth that goes along with
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