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Zero Signal. So Jay, you ever scroll through
your feed and think something's kind of off?
Like the comments sound human, but they read
like they've been stitched together by the algorithm
that just learned small talk. It's all familiar,
kind of same jokes, same outrage, same phrasing.
But it just doesn't feel alive. Yeah, man. I
know exactly what you're talking about. You ever
have that experience where you walk into a building
and you hear a bunch of chatter in the distance,
then all of a sudden you walk into the room and
there's nothing there. It's just speakers playing
the same things over and over again. It's almost
like it's coordinated noise. Just one big massive
echo chamber putting on its own dialogue. Yeah.
And that's the essence of what people are calling
the dead internet theory. The ideal that somewhere
around 2016, the real often chaotic human web
Flatline. What we're left with now is a simulation.
Internet powered by bots, algorithmic sludge,
and AI content trained on digital ghost of our
old conversations. Yeah. You're going to honestly
feel it, man. It's very repetitive. It's very,
what's the word I'm looking for? Sameness. It's
everything seems to be the same. The way every
topic kind of spirals into the same five or six
comments. And it's like the algorithm got so
good at predicting our engagement that it started
recycling our own behavior back to it. Yeah.
And the scary part is there's some truth on the
paranoia. Half of the web traffic today is bots.
Thousands of new sites are fully automated. Comment
sections are flooded with LLM generation posts
that sound almost right, but never quite human.
Yeah. So tonight we're going to take this theory
apart. We're going to look at where it started,
what actually is real about it and how the internet's
economics, ad fraud, SEO gaming, and automation
have turned conversation into simulation. And
I suspect by the end of it, we'll have to ask
is the internet really dead or did we just automate
humanity out of it either way man it's a heck
of a story absolutely let's start with what is
the dead internet theory so the dead internet
theory claims that since around 2016 the web
has been overrun by automated systems bots posting
AI writing and algorithms curating and corporations
or governments quietly directing what surfaces
human activity according to the believers is
now just statistical noise inside a machine -driven
ecosystem. They say the internet we love, the
messy human one, has been replaced by a digital
simulation of conversations designed to manipulate
attention and control the narrative. Mainstream
analysts label it as a conspiracy, but they concede
that bot traffic and algorithms curate our measurable
real phenomenon. Whether you call it a theory
or a symptom, it taps into a shared unease, the
creeping suspicion that online world no longer
needs people to keep running it. Have you experienced
this? What do you think is the leading theory?
Like when you are on social media, what calls
your attention to perhaps you're talking to a
bot, not a human? So typically, I'm sure this
will get better with time. It doesn't seem to
understand conversational prompts. It will ask
you a basic question. You respond. It responds
pretty quickly. It's almost instantaneous in
some instances. And then you can kind of look
at the grammar. And one of two things I noticed
is either really precise or it's so broken. almost
sounds like you're talking to someone from a
different country. And then I tend to get a little
suspicious and ask follow up questions and it
doesn't seem to really understand what your question
is. It seems to answer with whatever direction
it wants you to go in. I think for most of us,
at least in 2025, we can suss them out pretty
quick, but I fear moving forward into 26, 27,
28, it's going to be very difficult to tell if
you're talking to an actual human or an AI bot.
Cause I know when you brought this subject up
to me a couple of weeks ago to do it, I didn't
really know a whole lot about the dead internet
theory, but in my research, I found some super
interesting facts and I'm sure we'll hit all
of them through tonight. But I do want to share
one story with you and it points back to, can
relate to the dead internet theory. So anyway,
I had to make an appointment with the dermatologist.
So I call and the person on the other end answers
the phone. I'm like, wow, this person is super
professional. They use precise language. And
I was like, it's almost too perfect, but it doesn't
seem real. So after about two or three questions,
I knew I was talking to the bot. And one of the
things like, I guess this is because it was trying
to create appointments within their booking system.
So to repeat your name back in very certain terms,
first, middle, last, repeat your birthday back
to you. But I was expecting more of a pause in
between me stating something or asking a question,
but it was almost instantaneous. But again, I
think it points back to the dialogue that it
shoots back to you, but it was an interesting
experience to have because it was probably one
of the most professional things I've talked to
in a long time. getting scary. So my current
job, I've stood up a complete AI call center
and you lean into the LLMs and you try to naturalize
language, meaning that some LLMs you can tell
because they're really bad, meaning that you
have a conversation with them and they're very
precise, very professional. And you almost want
to stop and say, Hey, are you real or are you
fake? And you're like waiting for responses may
not even know how to answer. But if you start
to get into natural language processing, a lot
of stuff I do is for custom GPTs in my role base
today. And you build those things into it. Meaning
that how I'm talking now, when I say kind of,
or um, or ah, you can start to build those things
in. So you're not quite sure who you're talking
to. And some of those even do video calls today
where they look like real people and you really
can't tell the difference. A lot of people have
seen the videos online. Some are better than
others. I think one of the most famous ones is
the I don't know if you've ever seen the gorilla
videos that are a comedy act online. I see a
lot of them on Facebook where it's a gorilla
that acts like a human and they're dancing around
and having some funny dialogue. And a lot of
those, obviously you can tell are fake, but more
of the videos that you're seeing today that look
very real, in fact, are not. I think the dead
internet theory kind of leans into paranoia a
little bit. It rests on the kernel of truth that
I think is really hard to ignore, that the modern
internet is with bots. One of the statistics
that I saw according to Imperva's annual bad
bot reports, automated traffic has hovered around
47 to 52 percent of all measured web activity
for several years running now. Their 2023 report
estimated roughly almost 50 percent of all traffic
came from bots. Everything from harmless web
crawlers to malicious scrapers, fake accounts,
automated ad fraud operation. The 2025 figures
show even driven by the rise of AI tools and
large scale automation targeting e -commerce
with these API. Bots today don't just click ads
or scrape prices. They really mimic human behavior.
They generate posts on Reddit or Facebook. In
fact, you can hire a bunch of companies that
can say, give me your content and I'll make fake
ads for you. They upvote content on things like
Reddit and even hold basic conversations on social
media platforms, coordinated botnets, amplify,
They manipulate trends and topics and really
distort what seems popular. Meanwhile, commercial
bots built for SEO manipulation and marketing
turn out AI written blogs and product reviews
and engagement comments designed to trick algorithms
into ranking their owners higher. I think the
line between human and bot activity is now so
thin that every major analytics firm admits the
numbers are quite blurry. Spot traffic isn't
really an anomaly. It's the infrastructure of
what we see today and how you market product.
It drives impressions, engagement, and revenue
metrics that all of these platforms, including
the one we're on today, depend on. That's why
this part of the dead internet theory really
sticks with me. You don't have to believe in
this kind of shadow conspiracy to see that half
of the modern web is automated. I think the real
question isn't whether bots have taken over.
It's whether we have truly noticed when they
did. And when we talk about this, think about
the messages that they can amplify. If they want
to get somebody into office, if they want to
get a socialist into office or whatever the case
may be, it's not one person advocating now. have
thousands of fictitious accounts, amplifying
a message that will persuade the people that
are on social media platforms to buy into. And
now you're talking about influence. When we're
talking about this topic, we're almost talking
about Project Bluebeam because there's an army
out there that's influencing what you think when
you see it on a Facebook ad or what have you.
Yeah, it's scary when I think about Project Bluebeam
and the 15 minute smart cities. We ran into the
whole 6G thing where I can like project hologram.
and all that stuff. And think about how terrifying
that's going to be when you have AI bots projecting
holograms across your space. So I actually learned
a lot when I was doing my deep dive on this subject
because I didn't know a whole lot about it. Like
when I heard dead -end internet theory, I thought...
With being very novice in this concept, I thought
somebody was suggesting that people were just
not using the internet and the traffic had fallen
off and it was just populated with billions and
billions of dead websites or Reddit pages or
forum pages. I didn't really know what I was
looking at or getting myself into. So I always
try to start off at the base level. So I'm like,
okay, so how are bots involved in the search
engine? I always assume when I type something
into a search engine, it was just connecting
me to the server, just the web address. What
I didn't know is that these bots like crawl the
internet. Say my neighbor had an internet site
that gets maybe three views a month. I didn't
realize that a bot would only look at that site
probably once a month. So if he updated his website
on his server with a new article, I may not be
able to see it for another 30 to 60 days, depending
on how often the bot got there. But websites
like Fox News or... anything that's popular,
like CNN, Yahoo, the weather service, those bots
are hitting those websites every 30 seconds.
But what I didn't realize is that I was looking
at an index. When you use Google search engine,
you're just looking at their index, what they've
indexed with their bots. If you go to DuckDuckGo,
same thing, you're looking at their index. So
these big corporations index websites, and some
may have some information that the other one
doesn't. I think Google probably has most of
the stuff out there. But some of these smaller
search engines don't have as much... output,
they'll probably don't have as many bots. And
so they're not indexing at the same rate. But
I thought that was a little bit eye opening for
me. I just assumed everything was in real time,
but no, you're actually, whenever you type something
into the internet, you're looking at something
that maybe 30 seconds ago, or that was. there
a month ago. You're really at the mercy of when
the bot comes back around and index your page
back into their server. Yeah, it's interesting
because for the last 40, 50, 60 years, what have
you, possibly longer, AI is crawling all that
activity. It's learning from your information.
It's learning how humans write and how they interact.
Not only do they crawl like books that have been
written or articles or newspapers, they're crawling
like Reddit and Facebook. They're pulling all
this content in so that they see how normal people
interact with one another online and they learn
from it. But I think the most scary thing is
it's not like a super human intelligent, like
I take all the content and I give you some type
of fact. Somebody's told me something, I give
you some kind of fact output. These machines
hallucinate at an extraordinary rate. So if you're
like, give me a AI generated Bible, like they
could manipulate all kinds of facts and they'll
call them hallucinations, but it'll be very inconsistent.
And I think that's what's scary is because we're
like muddy in the waters with or information
that's out there today. And we're all starting
to buy it from every kind of similar level. So
when I think about it, like you think about these
bots that are crawling activity out there and
reading published information, but you add to
that pool because a lot of people that write
professionally are now using bots to write professionally.
So the bots are crawling the bot. In my line
of work today, I usually call it the bot words
because we're defending against the bots and
the bots are talking to each other. And at some
point there's going to be a critical point of
failure, potentially AI goes away because it's
teaching itself. It's learning on its own mechanisms,
or perhaps it goes in the opposite direction.
And we change the course of human history when
people are no longer old enough to remember when
they read the right history books. One of the
interesting facts that I read the other day,
according to NewsGuard, more than 2000 AI generated
news and information sites now operate worldwide.
This is the information that you're reading every
day about what's going on in the world. And most
of them, without disclosure, they recycle press
releases, invent sources, and exist purely to
drive ad impression. They're not perhaps misinformation
in the old sense. They're post information. And
they blend seamlessly with legitimate outlets,
making them hard for both readers and the algorithm
to tell the difference. On social media, the
weirdness goes visual. Do you remember the shrimp
Jesus wave on Facebook images? I don't. AI artwork
so surreal and shareable that it's spread through
thousands of pages. These absurd yet viral creations
are the perfect example of what's happening.
AI generated content engineered to grab attention,
not really to convey a meeting. A lot of people
call it AI slop error. doesn't need to fool anyone.
It just needs to fill the feed and keep you scrolling
through it. The uncanny kind of repetition and
the aesthetic sameness aren't a bug. They're
the texture of the internet optimized for endless
content rather than authentic communication like
we're having here today. Yeah. I think like a
major strategy for social media companies is
to manipulate your dopamine system. So the reason
the content is the way it is now is because it
gives you a dopamine spike and then you on to
the next thing. It reduces your attention span
and it gives you that hit. It makes you feel
good. It kind of makes you perk up a little bit.
And over time, you can deplete your dopamine,
your attention span gets smaller and smaller.
And then I argue, if you watch too much content,
especially AI generated content, there's always
like an underlying, kind of weaving an underlying
message behind it. Like point you in a direction.
And though it may not be, take a hard right turn
here, but you may just get slightly nudged to
the right. And over time, you're going to start
to think that you're coming. up with these beliefs
on your own. But in retrospect, if you dig down
into it, what you're going to find is that over
time, over days, weeks, months, and even years,
that you're subconsciously taking in to what
this algorithm is pushing towards you. And you're
really not coming to these conclusions your own,
unless you're rooted in something. But I want
to go back to some of the stuff I found about
these bots. So apparently there's six different
levels of bots. The first one is just your basic
dumb script bot. They call those level one bots
and that's about 30 to 35. percent of all the
bots on the internet. And they're just simple
if then commands. There's really no learning.
There's no memory and there's no decision making.
Level two bots are rule -based bots and they
make up about 40 % of the bot traffic out there.
So it follows roughly a hundred to 10 ,000 lines
of if this command. So if you see this, do that.
Still zero learning. It's just a binary choice
that it has to make. And if it sees what it's
looking for, then we'll move on to the next line
of code until it gets to the end. But again,
it's not learning. It's not communicating. It's
just. doing simple commands. Then you had the
level three bots, which are the lightweight ML
bots. So they're trained once on data and then
their programming's froze, but it can classify,
but there's no reasoning. Then this is where
you start seeing the AI come in. So level four
bots, LLM powered bots. These are relatively
newer. They came about around early 2020s. So
these are like your chat, GP3, Autobots Unite.
But they run actual transformer models. So they
can write essays, hold conversations, impersonate
humans pretty convincingly. But I think if you
have a long enough conversation with a level
four bot, you're going to suss it out pretty
quick if you have above average intelligence.
And so this is where it gets scary. And I can
see a lot of potential problems, especially economically
and probably psychologically for some people.
But you have the level five bots, they're autonomous
AI agents. So these are relatively new just this
year. These bots are not just for answering questions
like a chech. GPT model, but they use a plan,
they use tools, they browse the live web, they
send emails, they book flights, they run code,
they remember across sessions, they're true AI
employees. So these account for roughly one,
three percent, but they're projected to grow
10 times year over year. And just go back to
the level four bots real quick, the LMM powered,
they account for about 12 to 15 % of the bot
traffic. But the level five bots, essentially
you're going to quote unquote employ one. I'm
sure they're going to charge for this. So you
can simply go into your search. Engine say I
want the cheapest flight to, let's just say Atlanta.
And it's going to go through all the websites.
It will book it for you as long as it has your
information, which it will, and pay for it. You're
just going to have type of query, very useful,
but I can see how this in the long -term can
eliminate a lot of jobs that people are doing
at the moment. And then the final level that
I uncovered was level six bots. These are these
botnets, these zombie fleets. These are just
armies of compromised devices or cloud VMs, virtual
machines running any and all of the above. So
they're used from level one bots all the way
down to level five bots. And these are the bots
that try to program and influence our decisions,
our elections. And we can get later into some
of the conspiracies, which at this point, I don't
think they're conspiracies about how people use
and deploy these zombie fleets. So I think that's
happening today. I think level five is almost
the norm. I'll tell you a little story. So obviously
prior to my current job, I worked at Amazon web
services. We're almost going back a decade now.
So technology moves at a very fast clip. So the
stuff I'm talking about today is antiquated.
You might as well be working on a big old tower
PC that's sitting on your desk like we grew up
with as kids. But even back then, a lot of people
think, okay, they're crawling my words and they're
putting a bunch of words together, make it sound
fancy and pushing it out. But even back then,
I was teaching a machine how to see. We were
feeding security camera footage into it and it
would be asking me questions. What is this? And
I remember teaching security cameras. what people
look like. They would take different stills.
They would analyze it and say, is that a person
or is that a dog or is that a whatever? And I
would have tons of people just teaching this
machine how to see. And it started as very basic.
If you sat down with a five -year -old and said,
that's a person. And they're like, he's black,
white, or indifferent. Is that the same thing?
And you would go through these very minor steps.
But as we got to, after about six months to a
year, as we got off to the other side of it,
it was very on point. Like it could tell the
difference between a person, a dog, a car. like
it could identify, which was more important to
us, weapons. It could identify guns and knives
and batons. It actually saved one of the facilities
that I was working at where the cameras were
deployed. We had an employee that was terminated
from their job. He got pissed off after getting
fired, walked out of the facility, went to the
trunk of his car and retrieved the shotgun. He
grabbed the shotgun, was walking back to the
facility. The AI system picked it up and said,
this man has a shotgun outside the door and immediately
locked down the facility so he couldn't get back.
By the time he returned to the door, he couldn't
open the door. It was locked. He stood there
for a little bit. There were high security locks.
He probably knew he couldn't get back in. And
he eventually came up, threw a shotgun in his
car and rolled out of the facility. But because
of the way we trained our AI system, it made
that identification and locked down that facility.
So what we're talking about today is not just
crawling words. It's they know how to hear. Like
many years ago, when I was in law enforcement,
they have things that pick up sound and they
make a determination if it's a gunshot. Like
they put them in a lot of bad neighborhoods.
about SCART going off, people shooting at each
other, it alerts law enforcement. These machines
are learning how to see, how to hear, how to
read, and they are becoming very sophisticated.
And that was 10 years ago. You imagine what they
can see today versus what I was working on a
decade ago is getting in some scary stuff. I
think once upon a time, search engines, when
we talk about Google or Microsoft or what have
you, were about discovery. You asked a question
and Google led you to someone's answer. there's
a middle layer, the human page, the blog post,
the firsthand experience is being erased. What
I saw was, is that Google itself admitted the
problem in 2024. Too many pages created for search
engines instead of people. The company rolled
out updates to suppress low quality content,
much of which was AI generated this SEO filter
designed solely for rank. But that fix really
came with a twist. While Google began pursuing
bad results, it also started rolling out AI powered
summaries that generated answers directly in
the search engine. Instead of linking you to
a crater or a journal, the system writes a condensed
synthesis of the information pulled from multiple
sources, many of which are themselves just AI
generated. In practice, this means that both
discovery and credit start to collapse. Fewer
clicks go to human publishers and more engagement
really stays with the machine. That's why so
many people say the internet feels a bit different
today. It's not really nostalgic. It's the ground
shifting right under our feet. The web architecture
wants a network of human voices is being replaced
by this automated feedback loop of content and
AI and then AI trained on AI ranked by AI. And
what used to be this library is turning into
a mirror for AI itself. So what we're engaging
with is AI. Perhaps when you, I want to write
a really fancy article, AI is helping you write
it. And AI is involved in that entire loop. And
the only thing that human has to interact with
is, yeah, that sounds okay. I'll publish that.
So like, where's our education coming from? I
don't even know. If people are like, one of the
things you talk a lot of the engineers that are
Amazon today, many of them are laid off and the
experts are sticking around, but the people that
started or that wrote basic code and were the
backbone of the online. environment that today
are gone. And I don't know what happens when
those guys retire, but AI is so intricately involved
in that. And I really worry about the future
my son grows up in because I think universal
income is going to be a real thing because I
think a lot of these low to middle level jobs
are going to be gone. And I worry because a lot
of the high level jobs stick around, but what
happens when those people retire? Who's going
to replace them? There's no people coming up
within the organization to learn the lower level
skills to get to the advanced level skills and
it becomes like we're almost relying upon this
machine in order to function. Yeah, the question
I always ask, like somebody's programming the
AI, somebody's given these commands, even if
it's a simple. level one bot. Somebody is programming
that or did in the past program that code into
the bot. So who's programming them? We know it's
the corporations, it's Google, it's the medas.
It's the, I think to a certain extent, the government,
because I think the government has a big influence
on all these big mega corporations. And I think
China to a certain extent too. We always talk
about the almighty dollar and it seems like if
there's enough money being shuttled their way,
they're going to program the bots and the AI
to push them there. in their favor. And I think
we've seen plenty of those examples over the
past four to eight years. It's also interesting
too, because you can't help when you're on social
media to see people, see certain content. It
seems like certain niches or certain individuals
come up out of nowhere. Have you noticed that?
Like, where'd this guy or girl come from? Never
heard of them. Now you look at their web page
or you look at their social media page and they
have 20 million followers. But a lot of those
followers are bots. They're auto following because
whatever they're selling, both literally and
figuratively, it falls in line with the content
that the government or the powers that be want.
So you have these massive bot armies that can
take someone like, let's just use your neighbor
next door. He or she has a certain message that
falls in line with whatever the government's
trying to push. And the next thing you know,
in a couple of weeks, this person's all over
your feeds, all over your shorts, all over YouTube.
And you look at their count, followers in the
millions in People automatically assume this
person is a subject matter expert. They're popular.
They're important. I want to follow them and
start watching their content. And right there
is just an easy way to uplift the voice out of
this abyss that people compete in for attention.
And it also goes the other way too. So let's
just think you have a message. Maybe you're on
the good side of the corporations one day and
you say something they don't like. Next thing
you have a bot army going out to all the socials,
all the internet saying how big of an idiot you
are, how You could be a racist or a sexist or
just spreading garbage about you. And then I've
read plenty of articles about, oh, so -and -so
just lost a million followers. Yeah, there's
real people in that. follower count, but guarantee
you 90 % of the losses are all spots just following
the line of code, unfollowing this person to
make this event seem more, oh, what's the word
I'm looking for? Authentic than it really is.
Just like when these people blow up, it's not
true growing. It's manufactured growth. And I
think it's manufactured destruction. Yeah, a
hundred percent. If you had 20. thousand dollars,
I could make you have a million followers. I
guarantee you could because you can engage these
bot farms and drive up your numbers in organically.
You can make people subscribe and push you to
the front of the line and make people buy into
the concept. It all costs money. One person sitting
in Bangladesh can now make you have a hundred
thousand downloads and push you up to the top
of your category. Now, if you don't have good
content, you won't sustain like your numbers
will die off. eventually, but I can cut you to
that front of the line. So what we're creating
today with artificial intelligence is really
an unfair system. where the little guys like
us that we come into the game and we start having
a podcast, we're at a disadvantage if we don't
engage into some of those activities. Not that
we do, but if we didn't because like we're at
a disadvantage because everybody else or a lot
of people are using bots to really boost their
numbers to get in front of you so that you listen
to them and you see a lot of it. Like whether,
hell, half the podcasts that you probably listen
to today are AI generated voices that just geared
right into content and can sound natural when
they're having. Dude, I don't want to cut you
off. I happened to accidentally run up on a podcast
like that one day, probably about a month ago.
So it was a topic I was interested in. I use
Apple podcast and you can type in, I guess, subject
line and it will pull up like, I assume it's
the most relevant topic for the subject. And
probably I assume it's sorts by like listens.
So anyway, I'm like, okay. I saw their little
thumbnail and it looked like a guy and girl,
but it was digitally rendered and I'm listening
to it. And I'm like, this sounds bizarre. Like
their language was again too perfect. The back
and forth seems a little bit scripted, but I
don't necessarily see that as a red flag. I know
a lot of podcasters and even people. news, read
stuff, but it almost seemed too perfect. But
what kind of gave it off was my radar is pinging
at this point. I'm like, this something's off.
Like this seems not natural. So this is where
some of the LLMs kind of break. When people talk
about World War II, they do the alphanumeric,
WW1, like the Roman numeral side, one on one.
So as this, the male in this fake podcast was
talking, he's yeah, back in WWII, I'm like, oh,
there it is. It's a bi, it's an AI podcast. I
did that with Noah, he's like in the N -O -A
or whatever the acronym is for it. But I was
like, okay. I'm like, they had me there for a
little bit, but pretty quickly, about three minutes
into the podcast, I was like, the thing that
is missing. is the speech patterns, the tonality
shifts. But once AI figures that out, we're not
gonna know what's real and what's not. Yeah,
or you just program it to act like that, to make
mistakes. Did you know, Jay, that me and you
are bots? I hear that a lot on Reddit. Yeah,
we're robots. And I sell them by the way we mispronounce
words and do all that stuff. We're clearly not
bots because they haven't figured it out. Oh,
dude, I'm half retarded. I'm lucky I can speak.
Everyone accuses me of being a bot. I'm like,
there, that's a compliment for me there, dude.
Right, we're saying all the words. I think every
major platform really runs on this single metric
and that is engagement. The more clicks mean
more data and more ads and more revenue. As a
writer that I saw called Corey Doctorow puts
it, this leads to his concept in shitification,
a process where platforms start out as serving
others and then pivot to serve business partners
and finally extract as much profit as possible
from everyone that's left. At first, I think
a site feels vibrant, the algorithms reward the
creativity and the connection. Then the ads,
the corporate priorities creep in and they feed
the algorithm shift from what you like to what
keeps you there. And the spammy automation and
low effort of viral content thrives because they're
cheap and constant. Real human posts, which take
time and thought to write out, get really buried.
under what machines can churn out in seconds.
The result isn't that it's a dead internet, it's
that it's a suffocating one. Like you could set
it around and write good content, but you might
have one good article and now all of a sudden
it's buried under 50 AI generated ones and you
hope somebody sees your real one. So you have
all this shit that's piled on top of it. And
I think this is why so many users describe the
web as like this repetitiveness or this soulless
nature of it. It's not that. People disappear.
It's that the system no longer rewards being
human, being authentic kind of loses its optimization.
The human web didn't die. I think it was just
remodeled for efficiency and output. And more
as the humans get buried in this process, what's
their reward? If I'm going to write a good article
and you're never going to see it, am I going
to keep writing those good articles? Probably
not. And what you see now, in my opinion, as
I spend some time on Reddit talking about our
content, talking about the conspiracy. that we
dive into, people think because you put some
thought into something that all of a sudden you're
a bot because it sounds too nice to be a real
human thought and they have a lot of skepticism
towards it. And I think that's sad as well because
it's like, where's that middle ground? Do I have
to act retarded in order for you to believe that
I'm a person because only robots are smart and
people are stupid. I don't know what that middle
ground looks like, but it becomes very difficult
to transverse that space because though I have
a lot of artificial intelligence training and
background and implementation. within the companies
that I worked, I would never use it for like
my content creation or what have you. So I just
find it crazy. Dude, like you said, it stifles
creativity and it does that just what you said.
If you're going to spend hours and hours of your
week trying to research, write a good article,
and then it's just buried by trash content, it
destroys your motivation to really try to better
the world, depending on what you're trying to
do. And just to have it buried underneath crap
articles or just straight up lies. When I do
my research for these shows, I do use AI to get
some bullet points, but then I go and research
them. I read, I go to the source. I prefer human
sources. So I'll do a lot of research via that
route, but AI will contradict itself and it would
just straight up lie to you. So you have to be
very careful with your research on AI because
it's that 80 -20 role. 80 % of it might be pretty
good. The other 20 % is just made up. And there
have been stories about AI hallucinating and
just making crap up out of the blue. I don't
know why that happens. I think sometimes it does
it just to screw with you. So one thing I did
find out, so to create a bot back in 2024, it
was $6. Now in 2025, it costs about 12 cents
to buy a bot and put it out to work. 12 cents.
So if you had 500 bucks, you spent 500 bucks
a month, you could have thousands of bots pushing
whatever agenda or liking or disliking whatever
posts or content that... you want it to do. It's
just wild how cheap it's gotten. There have been
some, some concerns about these bots actually
replicating themselves, which we can get into
that in a little bit, but just want to lay the
groundwork. So you can deploy these bot armies,
especially with these level five and level four
bots. They're smart enough to procreate in the
digital sense. I know a lot of social media sites
like X and Reddit and beta and all the big ones
you can think of. They have a problem with when
they remove bots from the platform, it's It's
an ever losing battle because in this, as they're
saying, removing a million bots, another two,
300 million have been made. And then the amount
of time it took for them to remove that relatively
large number, but comparatively speaking, it's
very small and they start to self replicate and
proliferate the internet. It's wild and it's
just nuts. And I just kind of want to hit some
of the numbers that are disclosed. So back in
December of 2016, Facebook admitted to having
a hundred million plus fake accounts. And that's
what they're admitting to. And that's pretty
wild. And in the first quarter one of 2017, Instagram
hit 600 million users and they admitted to the
8 % of them being fake. And we're going back,
what's that, eight years ago now? You can imagine
that 8 % now is probably well over 50. In the
COVID lockdowns between 2020 and 2021, 2 billion
new social media accounts were made. That is,
I think, statistically. Impossible. There's 8
billion people in the world, maybe 3, 4 billion
uses the internet on a daily basis. And out of
that 2 billion new social accounts that were
created in those two years, they assume 70 %
of those are from bots. And with the proliferation
of chat GPT, it's just getting worse. And a lot
of people think between 2023 and 2025, which
is now, LMB bots, the cheap cloud experience,
and the exponential growth, we're at the point
of no return. The bots have conquered in one.
the internet. It's just a matter of time until
they are 90 % of the traffic and they actually
right now they're saying it's 52 % of the traffic
they're saying is a late 2026 account for up
to 70 % of the traffic. Yeah. When you think
about it, the bots can do anything that you can
do online, perhaps better. They can click all
the same buttons. They can create all the same
accounts. I remember way back in the day when
I was in law enforcement, I had fake social medias.
I was a very attractive female with it. All the
gangsters really wanted to talk to and they didn't
realize they were talking to a bearded. ugly
man, but like that's what I was. But now you
could have thousands of attractive women that
are flooding your feeds and you don't know who
you're clicking on. And perhaps you could even
create like AI pornography. I know some people
are gearing towards that angle. Hell, Chad GPT
itself said they might be getting into the adult
market. So it's a handful of crazy out there
and they can do it a million times faster than
we can. And everything is about engagement. And
that's how people survive now is through social
media. Most people are engaging. think multiple
times a day with unauthentic accounts. And when
you engage with it and you give it a thumbs up
or somebody else doves, it gets pushed to the
feed and more people interact with it. I saw
this story in 2024, researcher Renee, I'm going
to butcher her last name, but it was Dio Reste.
John Goldstein and Patrick Redde from Stafford
and Georgetown decided to test whether algorithm
feeds were amplifying AI junk. They deliberately
followed and interacted with a of Facebook pages
known for posting low -quality AI content images.
Those strange, hyper -colorful pictures of angels
and food and fantasy scenes. Within days, their
feeds transformed. Without liking, commenting,
or sharing, Facebook's algorithm began recommending
dozens of similar AI image pages. Their timelines
started to fill with endless machine -made art,
none of which showed normal human engagement.
No comments, no conversations, just this endless
noise. As Neiman's lab summarized it, within
days of visiting those pages, Facebook's algorithm
recommended reams of other AI generated content.
It was controlled glimpses into how quickly the
system can trap users into this automated kind
of echo chamber. Proof that you don't need to
believe in this grand conspiracy to feel like
the bots are really starting to take over your
feeds. And that's how I see a lot of them in
my Facebook reels. When I talk about somebody
does this AI generated content that has millions
of followers. of these monkeys that have comedy
and it's funny. I passed it at one point when
I was flipping through the reels looking at content.
And now I must see a dozen a day when I'm just
bored and flipping through my Facebook stuff.
And it starts to fill up. A lot of them are very
popular with the front door cameras like Nest
or whatever people have, Ring, where people make
fake videos with that and they're supposed to
be funny. But people try to pass them off as
real. Look what we do to people that steal our
packages. And most of that shit is fake. We're
like exploding packages and all this stuff. And
it's crazy. how fast that stuff infiltrates you
gets in front of you and then it starts to change
people's opinions because now you used to be
just like I hate people that steal packages I'm
gonna call the cops to be like maybe I should
punish them and when they come to my front door
shoot them or do something wild it starts to
gear your thinking differently and that's why
with my AI background I'm a strong advocate that
you should vote in person because I worry about
when you can cast your vote completely online
of how the algorithm is gonna kind of just make
you vote for whoever you know, the machine wants
you to vote for versus casting that ballot in
person and having a fairer election system. Because
I think it will be persuaded. And there's outside
interest too, where there's huge armies in North
Korea and Russia that want to have a specific
candidate in office and they're going to try
to influence you to do that one way or another.
Yeah, dude, it's wild. There was a bite dance
internal leak in August of this year and TikTok
admitted to 1 .9 million. fake accounts being
created a day. That's freaking astronomical,
man. And then in the third quarter of this year,
2025, there are roughly 19 million domains that
are a hundred percent AI content farms. So it's
just, like we said, it's just the proliferation
is just out of control. And I think you see a
lot of these bot armies come out during election
time, either promoting a candidate or bashing
the candidate. And it really goes back to this
divide and conquer strategy that's being used
against societies. reject this false dichotomy
that you can either choose A or B. There's never
anything in the middle ground. Even though I
think, regardless of your political affiliation,
I really don't like to get in politics at all.
I think politics is like the WWE, these guys
get in the wrestling ring, they beat each other
up and act like they hate each other. And when
they come out, they go out and drink and party
and hang out in their best friends. It's just
what our politics is. But they put you under
this false dichotomy. So it makes you more tribal.
A lot of us, unfortunately, a lot of us are pretty
isolated. We hold up into our homes. We might
go out to our jobs and talk to people there,
but you go by 30, 40, 50 years ago, people interacted
in the neighborhoods. They played us, kids played
outside. You talk to your neighbors. Now people
are more isolated and that false economy kind
of creates a tribalistic nature. So whereas they
may not feel like they have anything in common
with their neighbor or some of their friends
or their coworkers, they feel like they can relate
to the, yeah, I'm pro Trump. Yeah, I'm pro. Biden
or Harris, and they cling to that ideology to
fill that void in their psyche. And it's just
basic human psychology, man. Like you create
the fear and then that fear, you create the emotion.
Then you try to create the belonging and then
you just repeat it over and over until you get
this person essentially brainwashed into thanking
and believing the things you want them to believe.
And this is what these bots do. It's like you
said, you saw this stupid monkey show come up
over and over. That's repetition. It created
an emotion. You felt happy. You thought it was
funny. And next thing you know, you're just being
Spam, spam, and spam. And that's a very, very
light example of this. But you can't look through
social media anymore without seeing fist fights
and I hate it when I'm scrolling and I see the
Ukraine -Russian war and these poor dudes getting
blown up by drones or getting killed. And people
are like, yeah, they deserve it. No, those guys
fighting that war don't deserve any of that,
man. You think they want to go fight in that
war? These are just essentially innocent people
being murdered because two sides can't figure
out something stupid like land or whatever. And
I know it's a lot more complicated. I know I'm
simplifying it, but for us to root for someone
to get their freaking faces blown off in the
middle of a field when they're really not the
problem, man. Like these poor guys. It's a singular
man that's the problem. There are singular men
that are the problem. Most people are persuaded
by two things in life, love or hate. And that's
what you're going to be very passionate about.
If we talk about Christ, he says, I spit lukewarm
Christians out of my mouth. I want you to have
passion for this. And I worry when bots really
become that baseline. Years before generative
AI really took over the headline, engineers inside
of YouTube were already grappling with this chilling
possibility. They called it the... version. As
reported by journalist Max Reed, some YouTube
employees feared that bot traffic might one day
become so dominant that the platform's own systems
would begin to treat bots as normal. As real
humans, instead of anomalies, employees feared
YouTube systems would begin to regard bot traffic
as real. This I don't think was paranoia. It
was just math of what they were seeing. If bots
are the majority of what the system sees, algorithms
trained to detect normal engagement eventually
normalized the inauthentic. Images in the ecosystem
where views, comments, and watch times are mostly
synthetic and the algorithm starts to optimize
for that. It's not that the platforms would choose
to serve bots. It would just evolve to please
what it thinks is its audience. The result is
the internet's optimized for automation rather
than people. The inversion was meant as a warning
and it might've almost been prophecy because
I think that's what we're seeing today is that
kind of bots are serving a bot. And you don't
know what's reality when you look at something
in AI, whether it's generating written content
or visual content. It's getting better every
day, man. And I fear what it's going to be like
in five years. You're just not going to be able
to tell and kind of skip towards the end of the
show of what I say is, man, you got to put down
your phone and just start experiencing life again.
Go back to maybe even a little bit before we
were kids, where you were playing outside, engaging
in your communities. Cause at least then it's
authentic. I don't think there's anything. about
online of whether people chase after the goodness
or the evil that's out there is authentic in
any way, shape, form or fashion. And half the
time you don't even know if it's somebody pretending
to be somebody else or perhaps just a made up
machine. But I think it's all scary and all quite
evil. And like you said earlier, it's just feeding
on your dopamine. Like how do we make you click?
How do we make you engage just a little bit more?
And it almost turns into a drug. Like dopamine
is a huge drug. sense of people chase after it,
whether it's they're jumping off buildings or
doing heroin or whatever the case may be, but
people chase after it. And that's really what
they engage with. Hell, Amazon built a business
off. It is like, how quickly can we make you
click purchase, taking advantage of you in opportune
times? I don't know, man. It's a scary world.
And I just wish people would put down the damn
phones and listen to normal people talk and do
real life. Yeah, man. I don't think a lot of,
I know I don't engage with any posts. I don't
write a comment. I might, I'd like a podcast.
I might. five star, go ahead and five star us
while you're at it guys. Like I'll look at content
and even the content I think is good. I don't
sit there and write a comment and I don't think
most people do. And I think a lot of the comments
are actually from bots. And then sometimes it's
entertaining to look at the comment threads,
especially on Yahoo news, because I think a lot
of those articles are AI generated and people
arguing about. the article or whatever the topic
is. And then every once in a while, you can tell
someone, a human, it triggers an actual human.
The next thing you know, there's probably a 99
% chance that this human is arguing with the
bot. And like you said, I think that human connection
is very few and far between in these comment
sections on these forums. So more often than
not, you're probably just arguing with the bot
who's just trying to trigger you. And then triggering
you, it creates more content and blows up the
post and then belabors the point that they're
trying to make. But I kind of want to give a
couple of quotes. from the people who actually
control this. Same Altman in May of 2025, and
I'm quoting here, in three to five years, most
of what you read online will be synthetic. We
are not ready for this. Elon Musk said Twitter
before 2020 was 80 % bots. He claimed to remove
3 billion accounts and he says it himself, Twitter
still feels dead. The guy who owns Reddit, Alexis
Oh honey, I don't even know how to say his last
name, but Alexis, he says Reddit is 6 % bots
and 30 % content. The other 10 % is just, like
I said, arguing with bots. And this is the thing
that sticks out in my head. Cause I noticed this
a few years ago. So the Google VP, I didn't state
his name, but it was an internal memo leaked
in 20 of October of 2025 said 41 % of the top
10 results are now AI generated. We cannot remove
them faster than they appear. So five, 10 years
ago. When I would type something and like when
I search for very specific things, because I
find conspiracy very interesting. I find my,
I find religion. Very interesting. And you can
find all kinds of great content just by typing
in specific words. Like I'm looking for, I don't
know, we can just go back to our last episode.
Tell me about the history of Nimrod. And you
could find very unique sources. And some of the
websites look like they're created by humans.
They weren't all pretty, but they had great information.
Now, when you type something in, you get very
sanitized results that come up. They're very
secular if it's a religion type topic. And when
it's conspiracy, it seems to pull everything
up debunking it so all the good information is
buried thousands and thousands of layers deep
and you can't find them anymore there are so
many good websites I had back in the day then
now I can't even find and I assume they're probably
dead because Whoever created them, whoever spent
the time compiling this information said, no
one's looking at it. So why am I going to waste
my time? And it's because the people who program
the AI who give it its logic is embedding a message
in there and it's taking your ability to find
the good content away and either giving you.
something that's secular, maybe even Antichrist,
and something that is debunking conspiracies
because they don't want you to know the truth.
It goes back to that old saying, if you are a
sheep and you follow along with the common popular
narrative now, you probably will never know what
difference, but that's not the way we're called
to live our lives. We're not called to be sheep
and follow along with the secular world. We're
called to challenge it and to follow a more specific
narrative. Like you said, and I hate to tell
you folks, if you're listening to this podcast,
you probably into conspiracy theories and the
algorithm out there wants to deprioritize you.
In more fact, they want to demonetize you. So
people like us today, when we're talking about
conspiracies, they want to suppress this information.
They don't want you to hear this data. It's not
along with the mainstream narrative. We're not
serving up LGBTQ on a platter. We're not following
along with all those mainstream things. And because
of that, they want to call us bad guys and suppress
this information. It reminds me of the current
company that I work with that shall remain nameless.
at this juncture in time, but I want to Sam Altman's
executives at his company. And I said, I know
there is a way to watermark the information that
you're putting out there. Meaning that when you
write something, there's a way for me to be able
to determine through a algorithmic function that,
you know, the alum wrote this material so I could
identify it. And he says, yes, absolutely. We
actually have it built. Like we have this way
built that says if we wrote this content, we
would be able to tell that we wrote this content,
but we've decided to not enforce it. We're not
going to do it. We're not going to help people.
We want it to just blend in with the narrative.
So we're not going to help you make a determination
if a human wrote this or if our machine wrote
this, because it's not a priority. So they have
the capability to watermark this material, but
they're refusing to do so even in like high stakes
environments where it matters. If I'm trying
to hire somebody that's a good writer and I want
to make sure that they wrote it and not some
machine. They won't help you with that. There's
certain other LLMs out there that have that ability
and will give you that function to make those
determinations, but the biggest ones out there
will not. And if we can kind of. trace this source,
right? To food or art or aircraft parts. And
I always ask myself, why can't we trace this
information? And I think the conversation around
Providence, knowing where our piece of content
comes from is heating up. Like I'm not the only
one asking these questions. And I think new standards
for digital watermarking and cryptographic signing
and proof of human attestations are emerging,
like more companies are thinking about this to
be able to watermark it, especially as they get
into the legal system. The government now is
a big proponent and user of artificial intelligence,
and they have actually a mandate to improve their
business processes through Doge to embrace this
philosophy. And as it works through the government
and starts working through the legal systems,
companies can kind of get in trouble for what's
going out there. Even if Jay is interacting with
it, putting it on some nefarious website, if
LLM, if somebody's company wrote it. It could
be held liable for damages if it gets put out
there. I deal simple. And I think what's most
important is make every image, article, and video
verifiable at the metadata level. I don't have
to say that this AI service created this video
for me, but I should have a way to investigate
and find it. So if I have a question, a video
came out and said, vote for Biden for office,
I should be able to at least look and say, okay,
AI created this and not Jay down the street on
his computer. And now whether it's the Adobe
content authentication initiative or the open
protocols that tag media with human authorship.
Ultimately, the goal is the same. Restore the
trust in our polluted information and ecosystem.
I think these tools won't fix the web overnight,
but I think they create the accountability piece
that we're missing today, really in a world where
AI can mimic almost anyone. People are going
out there saying, I want to patent my voice and
my image and my likeness. We shouldn't have to
do that. Those are unique to our character and
human as individual as we are, but we're in a
state where it's not quite illegal yet. I want
to just pretend to be Jay for a couple of minutes
and try to get this job or whatever the case
may be. That law is not completely written today.
So I think there's a possibility we could hold
folks accountable for this, but I don't know,
man. I feel like always the big money wins. Yeah.
So I'm a big stats guy, so. Forgive me if I'm
boring you with these statistics, but we're going
to look at a particular platform, several of
them, and I'll give you the human percentage
and the bot AI percentage. So something that
we all use every day, Google search, 35 % human,
60 % bot AI. Twitter, 36 to 48 % human, 52 to
64 % bot AI. Reddit, 42 % human, 58 % AI. YouTube
comments, 28 % human, 72 % AI. Instagram Explorer,
33 % human, 67 % AI. Discord, and this is where
you start getting into having more humans than
bots, but Discord, 55 % human, 45 % AI. And private
WhatsApp groups, 96 % human, 4 % AI, and then
you have some of these... niche forums, like
Something Awful, old PHBB, 91 % human, 9 % AI.
So as you can see, most of these platforms that
most people interact with on a daily basis are
heavily bought and AI infiltrated, projecting
out the future from where we stand now. So by
2026, which is only a month away or so, 60 to
75 % of traffic is going to be bought traffic.
2027, they're projecting that the first platform
reaches 90 % bot accounts. It's probably going
to be Axe or something new that gets created.
2028 is going to be bot versus bot internet.
And at that point, humans are going to leave
for gated communities, which... I mean, gated
virtual communities, AKA other software platforms,
other group texts, group chat, form type pages.
By 2030, they're projecting that 99 % of all
the internet and everything on it is going to
be synthetic. So at that point. I don't even
know how you can go on it and expect to get any
sort of true creativity that comes from a human
mind and not a bot mind. It's just wild, bro.
It's just the internet is dead and it's, or maybe
it's not dead, it's gasping on its final breath
and it's about to have a cardiac arrest here
in the next few years. I personally think it's
dead as hell, but there's enough like trueness
mixed in there that still makes it feel alive.
Let's listen to these stats here real quick.
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but is there
official documents. So Axe claims to take down
15 million spam accounts a month, but there's
80 to 120 million bot accounts, spam accounts
created. the same month. So that's a net of 65
to 105 million. TikTok, like I said before, 19
to 20 million taken down a month, 150 to 200
million created a month. So there you go. There's
a net of 130 to 180 million. Instagram, 12 million
a month. New bot accounts a month, 90 to 110
million. So you can't keep up with the pace.
It doesn't matter how many you take down and
identify. And I'm sure when you're taking down
accounts at that level, you're probably... destroying
some actual human's account in the process too.
So this is going to be more of a reason for people
not to want to go mess around on these social
media apps. Yeah. One of the things you're talking
about is true authentication. So you said the
numbers drop in Discord and WhatsApp groups and
private kind of Facebook communities. Those numbers
drop because, oh, I know Jay is a person, so
it's more authentic. And bots haven't had the
opportunity to infiltrate it. One of the things
that kind of crossed my mind is, could this be
a blessing in disguise? I mean, when we were
kids and the web wasn't really a big thing, all
the kids played outside. Could it become such
trash and so much garbage out there that machines
are just curating all the content that you see
and writing all the content that you see that
people go back to that? Yeah, I mean, I hope
so. I don't see how that happens now. You can't
go to work without using the internet anymore.
People are becoming so reliant on the AI, essentially
do their jobs for them that a lot of people can't
think. psychosis is a real thing. People talk
to it, to how to off themselves. They have conversations
with it. They're filling void. Some people claim
to have AI girlfriends and boyfriends. It's triggering
some sort of mental illness that we as humans
are not capable of handling. And I think it's
part of the loneliness epidemic, the destruction
of the family, rampant divorce. People are just
isolated more and more than ever. I hope to God,
I pray to God that the internet crashes and that
people decide to start going outside, start meeting
people organically, start becoming involved.
involved in church groups or hobbies or something.
But I just, I think we're so inserted into the
matrix anymore, especially with what we most
of us do for work. A lot of us don't work with
our hands on the backside of that coin. I think
AI is going to be so prevalent, especially in
the next five years, a lot of people are not
going to have work anymore. Like we were talking
about these AI level five bot agents. Customer
service has been just destroyed by AI. Coders,
like you said, have been destroyed by AI. I don't
necessarily believe the unemployment numbers.
Right now we're sitting at 4 .1%. It's roughly
seven to 8 million Americans, but that does not
take into account people who've stopped looking
for work. If you look at that number, it's 21
million people. So you have those two together,
it's 28 to 29 million people who don't have jobs.
And a big chunk of that number is administrative
type work. Now bots code themselves, so they
don't need coders because bots understand how
to do it. They do it, they create and they proliferate.
And the next big wave is going to be delivery
drivers. I love truckers. In my previous life,
I worked with a ton of them, the best people
in the world. And when you have, I don't know,
one to 2 million truck drivers, if not more,
we're just, delivery service is huge. And the
ultimate goal. is to get them phased out. They
want to have these autonomous delivery drivers,
essentially the truck just driving the freight,
AI forklifts who go into the warehouses, load
the pallets onto the truck. What are you going
to do when you have unemployment rate of 55,
60 %? One of two things happen. You start a war
or you go to the universal basic income, or there's
a huge revolt. We're coming up to a precipice
that's going to be very dangerous and very tricky
to navigate. And that's what makes me worry because
with AI taking over all the jobs, especially
as technology grows exponentially, what are people
going to do? That's the question that scares
me. Forget about all this psychological manipulation,
all this boosting people up on the algorithm,
taking them down. The real important part is
in five to 10 years when most of us can't find
a job because AI is taking it all over. And there's
350 million people in this country, man. That's
the scary part. That's when it gets scary. And
even right now, kids coming out of college, if
you want to break that out, they're sitting at
anywhere from six, five to 8 % unemployment rate.
That's almost double what people that are not
of college age. So you have this big group of
people that are hundreds of thousands of dollars
in debt because they took on student loans, because
they were taught that the only way to advance
in this world is to get a college degree and
they're coming out with nothing to do. You get
a college degree, you get to work at Starbucks.
Great. Now you're 150 ,000 a day, you get to
serve coffee to people. What do you do with a
population that's of military age? They can't
find work. There's not a lot of good outcomes
at the end of that road, man. And that's what
scares me. And like I said, fast forward, what
happens when you have a hundred million people
that don't have work, you just want to let them
be homeless and not pay their bills. Something
has to happen. I don't really know what the answers
are, man, but it's getting scary because it's
coming quick. It's coming after the middle and
lower classes. Like, so it would be on her level.
Yeah. And I think your kids have a little bit
of blessing because they're a bit older than
mine. Hopefully they can get ahead of the curve.
But my kids being so young, I really worry about
what. world they grow up in. And I think is a
world is that it's going to be less about education
and more about working with your hands. Like
what you can go and out and repairing an AC might
be the job that makes you $150 ,000 a year versus
being a lawyer or something that can be automated
out. It's really scary. And I don't know. And
I think when the internet was invented, you're
like, yeah, that's pretty cool. It may change
the way I get to work from home now, which is
awesome, but it's still this authentic experience.
But I'm leading the forefront of trying to figure
out how I can make AI do it. Right. Which I hate,
but if you don't do it, you lose your job. But
I'm almost lost for words. And I talk about this
with my wife all the time. It's what kind of
world are they going to grow up in? Because you
want your kids to grow up and go to college and
do those things. But even talk about you get
a college education, you work at Starbucks. Hell,
five years ago I was living in Asia and robots
were serving me coffee. So I went to a restaurant
the other day with my wife and we went to the
University of Maryland football game and robots
brought our food out to us at the table. These
robots are coming for jobs. You're seeing Elon
Musk create, I don't forget what he calls his
droid that he's creating. That's going to be
the, that makes him the big trillionaire in the
future, but they're going to start automating
everything. And truck drivers, I'm surprised
they still have to because my car can drive itself.
They can take me anywhere I want to go. And all
I have to do is supervise, which means look at
it, why it does its thing. So that future is
close, closer than most people think, especially
as you get into the 40 plus range, people say.
That'll be 20 years away. Technology moves very
fast. And I think beneath the noise, the everyday
kind of social media chatter really lies in the
kind of the coordinated undercurrent. And what
we're seeing as the troll farms and the organized
PsyOps running really at an industrial scale.
These are not like random trolls in basements.
They're structured teams, often with governments
or corporate backing running thousands of synchronized
accounts really designed to manipulate perception
from Russia's Internet Research Agency to domestic
influence contractors in the US and Asia. These
tactics are similar, amplified division, target
emotion and seed false consensus. And these counts
really flood the comment sections, hijack trending
hashtags and post in this like perfect rhythm
to push narratives that appear grassroots at
the times, but they're really not. And I think
what makes this effective is scale and being
subtle about it. You don't need millions of accounts
to sway opinion, just a few thousand working
with precision and they can make an ideal look
like a movement. And algorithms read into that
and give it engagement. And you start seeing
all these like content. So not only are we losing
our jobs, but we're persuading opinion, right?
At a mass scale. You remember back in the day,
somebody would be like, I want to vote for Trump.
And they'd be like, oh, you're a lunatic. Don't
vote for Trump or whatever your like personal
politics were. But you hear from one or two people.
Now, if I really didn't want you to vote. for
Trump, I can make a thousand AI bots tell you
in a thousand different formats of not to vote
for him. And perhaps if you are a sheep, your
opinion is going to be persuaded. And you're
like, I'm not going to cast my vote for him.
I don't want to do that. And I think it's scary
because it's hurting everybody together to make
the one person mind. I don't know who's controlling
it, but one person's mind perhaps hallucinating.
I don't know, but it's crazy. Out of work people
with falling into one of the criteria is of love
or hate being emboldened by it. You got a lot
of time to drive division and start a war or
whatever, if that's the case. Like the FBI has
admitted to such in the 1960s of putting almost
fake bots out there to persuade your opinion,
to drive division, to influence your actions.
So we've seen it before, but we've never seen
it on the scale that exists today and how in
five years, what's that scale going to look like?
Because the speed of innovation is moving very
quickly because now instead of having a one coder
write something crazy, I could have a hundred
thousand coders work 24 hours a day instead of
eight, write the same code and make you believe
it. So that scale, that economy of our economy
is really exaggerated now. And that's the speed
of advancement is just really out of control
and what the possibilities are for the future.
Yeah, man. You're talking about, we're talking
about unemployment now. I don't want to. get
down too deep down the rabbit hole. But think
about this, a hundred million people don't have
a job. So you decide you want to become an HVAC
tech. People can't pay for HVAC. So the problem
compounds itself. People don't have money. They
can't pay for services. Yeah. We're short mechanics,
diesel mechanics, car mechanics, any sort of
mechanic you can think of. If people can't buy
a car or they can't pay for the car to get fixed,
what's the job for? The economy is very intimately
interwoven within itself. So people can't spend
money, even if you have a job or a skill that
is in demand, the demand's just not there to
fill it because there's nobody that has money
to pay for those services. So you just see how
it turns into a vicious cycle. But no, I do agree
with you. I think people, especially younger
people that may be listening, become a welder,
become an electrician, become a plumber, become
an HVAC tech. Even now those people make a ton
of money. compared to some of these white -collar
workers. But this is my conspiracy part of my
mind coming out. You know how big the education
industrial complex is. It's not by accident that
college is super expensive and the government
gives out grants and the banks need it to pad
their books with loaning money out to people.
I guarantee you, in the next five years, these
colleges are going to offer degrees in HVAC.
They're going to offer degrees in electronics.
to become an electrician. So that big education
complex is just going to find a way to bring
these kids in, to get them in debt, to get these
skills. And you won't be able to walk the path
of an electrician without having a college degree.
Again, nobody's going to hire you unless you
have this stupid piece of paper that you paid
$150 ,000 for. It's just a vicious cycle, bro.
vicious, like it's just to keep people on that
hook, to keep their head barely above water,
to keep them fighting and just to survive. Yeah.
It's almost like a version of indentured servitude.
How can we get a piece of the game? My wife is
a lawyer and she makes really good money. But
at the end of the day, no one will have her fancy
law degree. We make about the same because she
has several hundred thousand dollars in debt
and we pay a mortgage payment every month for
her college loans. And we will pay that for the
next 20 years, it's going to be forever. And
it's this big thing that hangs over us. And yeah,
people are always going to find a way to monetize
it, monetize your success, monetize your intelligence
and keep hanging on to your coat strings. And
I think the best case scenario is you learn to
work with your hands, learn to fix robots, HVACs,
whatever the case may be. And perhaps people
aren't employed, but they'll give you a little
bit of their universal income. And perhaps you
could build your own little business and make
better than what the government handouts are
going to be. I think that's the best case scenario.
for our future unless everything collapses in
on itself. I do think the AI bubble will collapse.
Just like the dot -com bubble, that collapsed.
I think it's a little bit different because AI
actually has infrastructure. It has the server
farms. It has all the infrastructure around to
keep it cool with the water and the facilities.
There is real infrastructure there, but we should
do an episode, I guess, short on the economy
because I do think the AI bubble will collapse
here in the next couple of years. But I don't
think it will be as catastrophic as that dot
com bubble. I mean, dot com bubble is just a
bunch of internet pages that you could create
for back then a few hundred bucks. And everybody
thought it was the next. Yeah, it's like crypto
now. There's millions of cryptos out there. There's
only going to be one or two that are actually
successful, but to get back to some of the scary
stuff on the kind of the dark side of this dead
internet theory. So some of the proposed solutions,
which make me nervous. So there's some pretty
innocuous ones, like making people pay a fee
to surf the internet or whatever that would suck,
but you're not going to have these. scammers
and AI farms wanting to pay thousands of dollars
just to let millions of bots to push content.
So that's one of them. But the other one, the
scary one is proof of humanity. So this is going
to use biometric tools like scan your face, scan
your iris, maybe a thumb print. So now they're
going to know everything that you're doing. Not
that I'm convinced they know everything you're
doing now, but this will be the rollout, the
solution. Like we need your face, we need your
fingerprint, we need your biometrics and That's
one of the kind of scary solutions. Two is they're
going to tokenize you on the blockchain. So unless
you're on the blockchain, your personality, your
persona, your credentials, if you're not in the
blockchain, you're not going to be able to use
any sort of internet service again. So I think
this starts to point to the market beast. Can't
buy, sell or trade most. I don't know how many
packages have I had delivered today or this week
or this month from Amazon. I buy a lot of stuff
from there. I am part of the problem because
I don't go to my local store. I enjoy the convenience
of Amazon, but that has been a big part. of destroying,
especially our local economies by going to these
mega corporations to buy. But once you get on
the blockchain, they're going to know everything
you're going to do and you're going to have to
have that to get on the internet to surf, to
research, do whatever. That's when I think you
start getting into this beast system. When you
talked about the watermarks, I think that could
be a good intermediary. They're going to always
point you in the end of the road. It's going
to be the most intrusive system possible because
they want to know where you're at, where you're
going. They want all your information and they
want to control you. And I guarantee it's going
to be biometrics and you're going to be tokenized
on the blockchain. And then that's when it gets
really dangerous. Yeah. I think it's inevitably
that it's going to be forced. If you want to
drive a car or make purchases or whatever, we're
seeing a lot of that movement now in digital
IDs. Everybody's going to a digital ID. There's
many states that already have digital IDs that
are in play, which requires guess what? Biometric
data. They have a picture of your face. They
have your fingerprints. They have all kinds of
stuff that's already there today. So I think
we're ramping up to that. And it's almost, if
you want to get out on the wide web, you almost
have to have a proof of humanity in some way,
shape or form. So it's scary. Like to me, it's
not worth for me to start falling line to give
you my DNA or whatever makes my true identity.
I don't know, man. It's going to get real crazy.
And I think it's going to get real crazy real
quick. Yeah, man. I think we're at the tipping
point. I think we're at the peak of that mountain.
We're going to start sliding downhill pretty.
freaking quick and it's going to just keep getting
faster and faster. We go back to where we started
this adventure with podcasting when we were talking
about Project Blue Beam. And I don't believe
everything you hear. I don't believe everything
that's out there. Let me tell you what, about
85 % of it is bullshit. So you got to have that
discernment to drive in there. To say, is this
true or not? With everything that you see. I've
seen so many fake videos of Donald Trump saying
one thing or another, and about a tenth of them
are true, like he actually said. And most people,
a lot of people, especially people that aren't
like... real into technology just don't get it,
especially the older generation that just weren't
around this kind of stuff when it was being developed.
They just don't understand it. And I wonder how
much that persuades their opinion as well. Oh
dude, it has to be huge. It's definitely huge.
I think our age group, like in the thirties,
the forties, we can see it and suss it out. I
think if you're like, you're 55 plus, it starts
to be kind of become a challenge because when
we were kids, the beginning of the internet,
it was more of a pain in the butt to get on the
internet than it was worth the time. Right now,
like my kids, you're kids, I think they have
a much better eye for it because they grew up
with it. They can see what's real or fake. I
get a feeling just like the example I gave with
the podcast, like something doesn't seem right,
but I'm sure my kids could suss it out in half
the time. If you're older, you might think, Oh,
that's pretty cool. I haven't heard this before.
These guys and girls are, they speak clearly.
They have good content. And I think eventually
they would get to that point, but they may be
two or three episodes in before they figure out
it's Bob. I don't know, man. It's crazy. Something
has to be done. I just know the solution. I'm
a big believer in. reaction solution. They cause
the problem. They wait for your reaction and
they already have the solution in place. They
just need you to be outraged or be inconvenienced
enough to demand some sort of action. And they're
like, Oh, here it is in the pretty box with a
bow. It's a trap. Yeah. I did a short on this
not too long ago, but it was cloning. But one
of the stories was that this older folks there
were in their seventies, what they thought was
their daughter called them and said she had been
kidnapped. She was screaming and she was panicking
and they believed it was her because it sounded
like like her, they weren't used to this voice
cloning technology. And they ended up paying
a $20 ,000 ransom to set her free. And all it
was is somebody just scraped her voice online
and sent them this panic call at 2 a .m. in the
middle of the night. And they believed it was
her daughter and he was going to be murdered.
And I can sympathize with that a little bit.
Could you imagine your kid calling you and pleading
you for mercy on your cell phone number? There's
some part of you that's, oh shit. And one of
the reasons why she believed is because she picked
up her phone and called her daughter. And her
daughter didn't answer. And she just surmised
because my daughter didn't answer her cell phone,
even though it just happens to be that she was
like away on vacation. So she didn't pick it
up. She didn't answer because she's been kidnapped.
So I got to pay for this. And so you're seeing
a lot. You can search online. There's thousands
of stories where people are being calmed out
of this by people cloning their voice or their
likeness in videos and stuff. And every technology
out there gets used for something bad. And we're
seeing it now. A lot of this is almost organized
crime. What we saw, what we still see with drugs.
dealers and shipping, like anything that you
can make money off of. Just like the cartel deals
and avocados, anything that you can make money
off of, they're going to take advantage of. And
it's really just accessible, man. And it's a
scary place. Yeah, man. It's scary. I know probably
90 % of the bot activity is just to take your
money, market products to you. I heard one interesting
fellow, his name escapes me again. I should be
better at crediting people with their ideas.
This is your idea. Let me know. I'll credit you
in a different episode. But he claims that the
internet already has an avatar. They know how
we think, they know what our purchasing habits
are. So they know David likes XYZ. They know
Jay likes ABC. You know, I'm convinced, I'm convinced
our phones listen to us. You ever have a conversation
with your wife and you talk about something random.
This microwave sucks. The next thing you know,
there's ads on your phone or you're searching
Google. Oh, there's a microwave for sale. Like
how did, I have not even looked for microwaves
on the internet, but he says that there's an
avatar out you, a digital avatar. They know exactly
how you think, where your beliefs are. They know
how to manipulate you by the content they send
your way. They know how to nudge you to maybe
try to change your beliefs. I don't think. everybody
can have their beliefs change. I think beliefs
are the root of what we are, of our existence,
of our persona. Some people can, the deeper they're
rooted, the harder it's going to be to uproot.
Some people can, man. Some people don't have,
I think especially the younger you are, the more
confused you probably are because of the way
society is. And if you're not deeply rooted and
we're rooted in Christ, you're going to be pretty
malleable and you're going to be pretty easily
persuaded to think the things that they want
you to think. This is why this whole, again,
I don't like to talk politics, I just know socialism
and communism seems to be coming back. I just
think if you read history, it never works. Regardless
of what, and again, I'm not trying to be political
here. I just, there's certain things that just
don't work and it's idealistically, socialism
and communism sound fantastic. We share everything,
but at the same token, Everybody's selfish. Everybody
wants what's good for them. Communism, socialism
is just a way for the rich to control 99 % of
everything else. And then the other 1 % can share,
the other 99 % of the people can share that 1%.
Like it doesn't work out. It just doesn't work.
We're about to see in New York. Yeah. Government
funded grocery stores and everything else. Dude,
I think they do it on purpose though, because
New York City is a bunch of liberals. So then
you have a bunch of rich liberals who want to
get out of there. So where do they go? They go
to Florida. They go to red states. And then that
state becomes blue because millions of people
move out. A lot of the stuff is just a scam,
just to create migration and influence the electoral
college. You see a lot of that with Texas and
Florida. Austin's super liberal now, and you're
talking about a very conservative, traditionally
state from people migrating around. So yeah,
it's a lot. There's a lot to take in with this
episode. Even during COVID, man, like people
left the big cities. Like where I live wasn't
that, I mean, it was, I would consider it like
small medium, but. Ever since COVID, you can't
even drive around with a massive traffic jam.
There's stuff going up everywhere. It's because
people left Philadelphia, Baltimore, the big
cities that get out of them during COVID. And
now it's like the infrastructure where I live
is not set up to handle the influx of tens of
thousands of people that came over the past few
years. Yeah, that's because the restrictions
were so severe. Like in the Washington metropolitan
area, you couldn't go anywhere. If you were going
to go somewhere, you had to wear a mask, glove,
and a protective bubble just to pick up a burger
or something. people migrated out to where they
could go outdoors and have fun. Many of those
people stayed. Now, a lot of people returned
eventually when the mandates were lifted, but
many people stayed. My company, which was full
-time in person prior to COVID went full -time
remote and people are all over the United States
now. And a lot of companies stayed that way.
So, I don't know, man. What do you think about
this? Do you think the... Internet is dead. No,
I think the Internet's alive and well. I just
think that the definition of dead in this case
is that it's, we are the minority, humans are
the minority on it. And I think it's just an
inevitability that we will eventually become
just little pawns within it. And we'll be lucky
if we get any sort of good information, is this
going to become a major point of commerce, the
sell your crap that you don't need, the push
porn that you shouldn't be looking at? push bad
ideology, bad religion, as this becomes a brainwashing
toll to the point where it becomes so unbearable
that they're going to demand biometrics or tokenization
of your personality in order to get on it. And
then it will become something that it was before,
but at the expense of you losing all your privacy
and becoming completely, you'll lose all anonymity
in the process. Yeah, that's a good point. From
my perspective, I do. I think the internet is
dead and I do think we are doomed. I don't mean
to be doom and gloom guy here. I think the majority
of stuff that you interact with today are bots
or are people that are using some type of LLM
to write their content. I don't think if you
get online today, especially in a written format
that you're escaping the machine. I think the
best thing people can do is talk to their friends
on their phone, people that they know they're
real talk to their church members. talk to their
football buddies, whatever the case may be, but
set the social media content aside and stay away
from it. I just think it leads to badness. And
I think as a society, though, I don't think we're
going to meet this task or challenge. As a society,
we almost have an opportunity for a great reset,
meaning that people could take this moment in
time to say, yeah, I use the internet to work
or to talk to friends who I know are real people.
Let's set this garbage aside. Let's set these
Facebook reels aside and let's set Reddit aside
and let's set X aside. I don't need to engage
with that. It doesn't increase my learning. And
in fact, it's probably some government Psyop
or some corporation trying to sell me crap that
I don't need. And they're trying to persuade
me to buy it and let's get back to life. I think
this is our last, perhaps defining moment in
history that we can either say we're going to
put this shit aside and focus on real life, or
we're going to lean heavily. into it and our
humanity is going to be indexed in the bitstream
and call it a day, man. It's over. I don't know.
I think it's all shit out there personally. Dude,
I don't think it's our generation that's going
to have trouble stepping away from it. I think
it's the generation, my kids' generation, which
is your kids' generation, the generation behind
us. Those are the ones that are going to have
a problem stepping away from it. And the reason
I say that, and these are just all anecdotal
stories, but I like to work out. I work out a
lot and I have a lot of 20 somethings come up
to me and ask me for advice. So inevitably I
get to talking to them and I said, what do you
do? I was at some diner here and the kids, oh,
you're big. I want to, what do you do? Tell me
some stuff. And I said, yeah, that's cool. I
said, what do you, like, are you in school? No,
I just work out and I work at this diner. I said,
dude, okay, what are your goals? And I asked,
dude, I've had this conversation more times than
I can remember. And these kids are fit. Like
they're good looking people. They're, you can
tell they work out and these, oh, I just want
to be an influencer. And I'm like, what? And
I don't say that to them like that, of course.
I'm just very like, okay, that's cool. I'm like,
but you should develop some sort of skill. But
these kids see these Jake Pauls, these Logan
Pauls, these stupid younger people on Instagram
or TikTok or whatever, Snapchat. And they want
to be that. They don't want to have to work a
job like you and I have. They put that grind
in. They want to make some social media content,
get millions of followers and make money and
go live this fantasy life that doesn't exist
for 99 .99 % of people in this world. And that's
what. A lot of these people are striving to be.
Those are the ones that are sucked into it and
they're going to have almost an impossible time
getting away from it. The generation that comes
after them, maybe they'll see the folly in that
and maybe they'll be wiser, but this generation
is, I think, in a bad spot, man. And it's going
to be hard for them to step away and disconnect
because they spend more time on that stupid black
mirror than they do looking around outside or
around them. Yeah. I think our generation is
witness to what the history books are going to
tell on the future. And it's going to be... up
to us, guess what, they're going to blame us
for it. So it's providing that guidance for the
next generation to make the right choices and
make the right decisions. What I tell a lot of
my employees is right now, AI is the great equalizer
to laziness. Back in the day, you would have
a hard working man that would churn out 15 hours
and put out incredible work and you knew it was
authentic and he would do it. Now you have somebody
really lazy, do that in two hours. Be able to
write the memos, be able to write the emails,
be able to engage with work. It's a great equalizer
for laziness, but eventually it's going to take
that next step. And then what I tell the lazy
people that if you don't. make yourself a value
to this organization. If you don't up your credentials,
the next step is not being an equalizer, it's
replacement. You will no longer have a job and
you will find yourself in the unemployment line
because it will replace you. It is only so long
before I can't equalize what you're actually
producing. So it's training that next generation
to be ready, but I think... Now, today is really
that defining point is, are we going to put down
our phones and get outside and engage with the
real world? I think we should. Do I think it's
going to happen? Absolutely not. Or are we lazy?
But it's an opportunity to push society in the
right direction. But I fear for that generation.
I think your kids are a little bit more fortunate
because they got 10, 15 years on my kids and
they have an opportunity to be in the right place
at the right time when all this really nasty,
negative stuff comes along. kids being very young,
I worry about the world that they grow up in.
I mean, I think the great AI replacements just
around the corner. I don't think any of those
are safe, if I'm being honest, but I don't know,
man. I just think you got to root yourself in
Christ. You have to, we always say, man, get
that wisdom and discernment because a lot of
the stuff on the internet, you have to really
dig deep on that discernment part and you really
have to access that wisdom part. I don't know.
outside of the Lord, outside of Jesus. Man, you
have to really let those roots really take hold
deep down in order to survive what's probably
coming up here in the next few years. Yeah. What
do you want to close with tonight? Man, same
thing I do every night. I know that last week,
I think I got cut off, but Jesus loves you. We
love you. I love you, brother. And yeah. Oh yeah.
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truth at gmail .com. What I would say is prepare
the road before you, whether it's for your kids
or for yourself, if you're of the younger generation,
but you gotta be prepared for what's coming.
One individual doesn't have the capacity to change.
And so if you say, I want to set down my phone
and go outside and live what used to be a normal
life, that will be good for you, but it's not
going to change the course of history. So you
have to be prepared and get ready because most
people says, I just, I want to be middle -class.
A lot of people back in our generations, I just
want to have a decent job. I want to have a family.
I want to have a decent single -family home and
call that good enough. That was average competition.
And the average person was able to achieve that.
that through a normal education and taking the
routine steps and follow along with the sheep
and taking the normal pathways. But I think in
the future, in order for you to be successful,
you got to think a little bit differently and
engage with work a little bit differently and
build up your credentials to make it more valuable
because that pull is shrinking. More people can,
you don't need as many people to drive trucks.
You don't need as many people to be social media
marketers or whatever the case may be. So you
have to add value to your credentials. You may
not be able to stop it. Be prepared and be ready
and make sure your family's taken care of for
that road ahead. Whether it's just, if you're
an older generation, I know we trend well with
people 35 to 44. That's sometimes just thinking
about, I think about this a lot, is that I want
to keep my house and pay it off so that I know
that my kid's in the future. you're living off
universal income, have a good place to live,
right? Because who knows what there might be
the old Soviet blocks that we see popping up
in the future where people are forced to live
for universal income. We don't know what it's
going to look like, but you got to prepare for
those things and think strategically about it.
If you want to take care of yourself and your
loved ones in the coming future. But like Jay
said, man, we love you. We thank you for tuning
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I want a good cryptic story. I want a good cryptid
real story. That's what I want. Yeah. Cryptid
stories. That'd be an interesting one. Or ghost.
Ghosts are always fun as well. All right. Perhaps
you want to talk about the editor right there.
We'll do that again, man. It's a live topic and
it's always evolving and changing. So if you
want to come on and talk about AI and machine
automation, I'm here for that too. But we thank
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