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So Jay, you ever scroll through 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:33.900 your feed and think something's kind of off? 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.140 Like the comments sound human, but they read 00:01:37.140 --> 00:01:39.659 like they've been stitched together by the algorithm 00:01:39.659 --> 00:01:42.480 that just learned small talk. It's all familiar, 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.719 kind of same jokes, same outrage, same phrasing. 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:48.400 But it just doesn't feel alive. Yeah, man. I 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:50.299 know exactly what you're talking about. You ever 00:01:50.299 --> 00:01:52.260 have that experience where you walk into a building 00:01:52.260 --> 00:01:54.219 and you hear a bunch of chatter in the distance, 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:55.959 then all of a sudden you walk into the room and 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.099 there's nothing there. It's just speakers playing 00:01:58.099 --> 00:01:59.959 the same things over and over again. It's almost 00:01:59.959 --> 00:02:02.780 like it's coordinated noise. Just one big massive 00:02:02.780 --> 00:02:05.260 echo chamber putting on its own dialogue. Yeah. 00:02:05.260 --> 00:02:07.480 And that's the essence of what people are calling 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:10.919 the dead internet theory. The ideal that somewhere 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.120 around 2016, the real often chaotic human web 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:19.039 Flatline. What we're left with now is a simulation. 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:22.060 Internet powered by bots, algorithmic sludge, 00:02:22.259 --> 00:02:25.520 and AI content trained on digital ghost of our 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:27.800 old conversations. Yeah. You're going to honestly 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.879 feel it, man. It's very repetitive. It's very, 00:02:31.060 --> 00:02:33.719 what's the word I'm looking for? Sameness. It's 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:35.860 everything seems to be the same. The way every 00:02:35.860 --> 00:02:38.400 topic kind of spirals into the same five or six 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.599 comments. And it's like the algorithm got so 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:42.539 good at predicting our engagement that it started 00:02:42.539 --> 00:02:44.750 recycling our own behavior back to it. Yeah. 00:02:44.750 --> 00:02:47.310 And the scary part is there's some truth on the 00:02:47.310 --> 00:02:49.710 paranoia. Half of the web traffic today is bots. 00:02:50.069 --> 00:02:52.610 Thousands of new sites are fully automated. Comment 00:02:52.610 --> 00:02:55.710 sections are flooded with LLM generation posts 00:02:55.710 --> 00:02:58.710 that sound almost right, but never quite human. 00:02:58.949 --> 00:03:00.550 Yeah. So tonight we're going to take this theory 00:03:00.550 --> 00:03:02.689 apart. We're going to look at where it started, 00:03:02.770 --> 00:03:06.030 what actually is real about it and how the internet's 00:03:06.030 --> 00:03:09.030 economics, ad fraud, SEO gaming, and automation 00:03:09.030 --> 00:03:11.189 have turned conversation into simulation. And 00:03:11.189 --> 00:03:14.110 I suspect by the end of it, we'll have to ask 00:03:14.110 --> 00:03:17.590 is the internet really dead or did we just automate 00:03:17.590 --> 00:03:20.030 humanity out of it either way man it's a heck 00:03:20.030 --> 00:03:23.849 of a story absolutely let's start with what is 00:03:23.849 --> 00:03:27.150 the dead internet theory so the dead internet 00:03:27.150 --> 00:03:30.830 theory claims that since around 2016 the web 00:03:30.830 --> 00:03:34.509 has been overrun by automated systems bots posting 00:03:34.509 --> 00:03:38.009 AI writing and algorithms curating and corporations 00:03:38.009 --> 00:03:41.030 or governments quietly directing what surfaces 00:03:41.030 --> 00:03:43.000 human activity according to the believers is 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.300 now just statistical noise inside a machine -driven 00:03:46.300 --> 00:03:49.280 ecosystem. They say the internet we love, the 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:52.139 messy human one, has been replaced by a digital 00:03:52.139 --> 00:03:55.099 simulation of conversations designed to manipulate 00:03:55.099 --> 00:03:57.439 attention and control the narrative. Mainstream 00:03:57.439 --> 00:03:59.740 analysts label it as a conspiracy, but they concede 00:03:59.740 --> 00:04:03.219 that bot traffic and algorithms curate our measurable 00:04:03.219 --> 00:04:05.599 real phenomenon. Whether you call it a theory 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:08.419 or a symptom, it taps into a shared unease, the 00:04:08.419 --> 00:04:11.139 creeping suspicion that online world no longer 00:04:11.139 --> 00:04:13.960 needs people to keep running it. Have you experienced 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:15.860 this? What do you think is the leading theory? 00:04:16.139 --> 00:04:18.819 Like when you are on social media, what calls 00:04:18.819 --> 00:04:21.040 your attention to perhaps you're talking to a 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:23.360 bot, not a human? So typically, I'm sure this 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:26.000 will get better with time. It doesn't seem to 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:29.480 understand conversational prompts. It will ask 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.000 you a basic question. You respond. It responds 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.259 pretty quickly. It's almost instantaneous in 00:04:34.259 --> 00:04:36.319 some instances. And then you can kind of look 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:38.620 at the grammar. And one of two things I noticed 00:04:38.620 --> 00:04:41.459 is either really precise or it's so broken. almost 00:04:41.459 --> 00:04:42.740 sounds like you're talking to someone from a 00:04:42.740 --> 00:04:45.259 different country. And then I tend to get a little 00:04:45.259 --> 00:04:47.680 suspicious and ask follow up questions and it 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:49.680 doesn't seem to really understand what your question 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.680 is. It seems to answer with whatever direction 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:54.740 it wants you to go in. I think for most of us, 00:04:54.779 --> 00:04:57.560 at least in 2025, we can suss them out pretty 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:01.060 quick, but I fear moving forward into 26, 27, 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.160 28, it's going to be very difficult to tell if 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:06.420 you're talking to an actual human or an AI bot. 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:08.240 Cause I know when you brought this subject up 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.180 to me a couple of weeks ago to do it, I didn't 00:05:10.180 --> 00:05:11.819 really know a whole lot about the dead internet 00:05:11.819 --> 00:05:14.290 theory, but in my research, I found some super 00:05:14.290 --> 00:05:16.529 interesting facts and I'm sure we'll hit all 00:05:16.529 --> 00:05:18.069 of them through tonight. But I do want to share 00:05:18.069 --> 00:05:21.129 one story with you and it points back to, can 00:05:21.129 --> 00:05:23.149 relate to the dead internet theory. So anyway, 00:05:23.149 --> 00:05:25.629 I had to make an appointment with the dermatologist. 00:05:25.689 --> 00:05:28.389 So I call and the person on the other end answers 00:05:28.389 --> 00:05:31.029 the phone. I'm like, wow, this person is super 00:05:31.029 --> 00:05:33.990 professional. They use precise language. And 00:05:33.990 --> 00:05:36.490 I was like, it's almost too perfect, but it doesn't 00:05:36.490 --> 00:05:39.269 seem real. So after about two or three questions, 00:05:39.310 --> 00:05:41.730 I knew I was talking to the bot. And one of the 00:05:41.730 --> 00:05:44.480 things like, I guess this is because it was trying 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.040 to create appointments within their booking system. 00:05:47.180 --> 00:05:50.540 So to repeat your name back in very certain terms, 00:05:50.819 --> 00:05:53.100 first, middle, last, repeat your birthday back 00:05:53.100 --> 00:05:56.199 to you. But I was expecting more of a pause in 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:59.040 between me stating something or asking a question, 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.300 but it was almost instantaneous. But again, I 00:06:01.300 --> 00:06:03.360 think it points back to the dialogue that it 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:04.920 shoots back to you, but it was an interesting 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:07.660 experience to have because it was probably one 00:06:07.660 --> 00:06:09.920 of the most professional things I've talked to 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:13.540 in a long time. getting scary. So my current 00:06:13.540 --> 00:06:16.800 job, I've stood up a complete AI call center 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:20.560 and you lean into the LLMs and you try to naturalize 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:23.379 language, meaning that some LLMs you can tell 00:06:23.379 --> 00:06:25.420 because they're really bad, meaning that you 00:06:25.420 --> 00:06:26.860 have a conversation with them and they're very 00:06:26.860 --> 00:06:29.139 precise, very professional. And you almost want 00:06:29.139 --> 00:06:31.439 to stop and say, Hey, are you real or are you 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:33.180 fake? And you're like waiting for responses may 00:06:33.180 --> 00:06:35.329 not even know how to answer. But if you start 00:06:35.329 --> 00:06:38.389 to get into natural language processing, a lot 00:06:38.389 --> 00:06:41.670 of stuff I do is for custom GPTs in my role base 00:06:41.670 --> 00:06:44.750 today. And you build those things into it. Meaning 00:06:44.750 --> 00:06:47.089 that how I'm talking now, when I say kind of, 00:06:47.569 --> 00:06:50.189 or um, or ah, you can start to build those things 00:06:50.189 --> 00:06:52.449 in. So you're not quite sure who you're talking 00:06:52.449 --> 00:06:55.470 to. And some of those even do video calls today 00:06:55.470 --> 00:06:57.569 where they look like real people and you really 00:06:57.569 --> 00:06:58.829 can't tell the difference. A lot of people have 00:06:58.829 --> 00:07:00.750 seen the videos online. Some are better than 00:07:00.750 --> 00:07:03.470 others. I think one of the most famous ones is 00:07:03.470 --> 00:07:05.319 the I don't know if you've ever seen the gorilla 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:08.399 videos that are a comedy act online. I see a 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:10.339 lot of them on Facebook where it's a gorilla 00:07:10.339 --> 00:07:12.420 that acts like a human and they're dancing around 00:07:12.420 --> 00:07:14.519 and having some funny dialogue. And a lot of 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:16.819 those, obviously you can tell are fake, but more 00:07:16.819 --> 00:07:19.579 of the videos that you're seeing today that look 00:07:19.579 --> 00:07:22.899 very real, in fact, are not. I think the dead 00:07:22.899 --> 00:07:25.879 internet theory kind of leans into paranoia a 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:28.660 little bit. It rests on the kernel of truth that 00:07:28.660 --> 00:07:31.699 I think is really hard to ignore, that the modern 00:07:31.699 --> 00:07:34.639 internet is with bots. One of the statistics 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:37.639 that I saw according to Imperva's annual bad 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.360 bot reports, automated traffic has hovered around 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:45.100 47 to 52 percent of all measured web activity 00:07:45.100 --> 00:07:48.579 for several years running now. Their 2023 report 00:07:48.579 --> 00:07:51.699 estimated roughly almost 50 percent of all traffic 00:07:51.699 --> 00:07:54.660 came from bots. Everything from harmless web 00:07:54.660 --> 00:07:58.120 crawlers to malicious scrapers, fake accounts, 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:01.759 automated ad fraud operation. The 2025 figures 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.240 show even driven by the rise of AI tools and 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:07.939 large scale automation targeting e -commerce 00:08:07.939 --> 00:08:11.600 with these API. Bots today don't just click ads 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.019 or scrape prices. They really mimic human behavior. 00:08:15.180 --> 00:08:18.480 They generate posts on Reddit or Facebook. In 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:20.279 fact, you can hire a bunch of companies that 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.180 can say, give me your content and I'll make fake 00:08:22.180 --> 00:08:25.019 ads for you. They upvote content on things like 00:08:25.019 --> 00:08:28.259 Reddit and even hold basic conversations on social 00:08:28.259 --> 00:08:31.139 media platforms, coordinated botnets, amplify, 00:08:31.370 --> 00:08:35.009 They manipulate trends and topics and really 00:08:35.009 --> 00:08:38.269 distort what seems popular. Meanwhile, commercial 00:08:38.269 --> 00:08:41.490 bots built for SEO manipulation and marketing 00:08:41.490 --> 00:08:44.669 turn out AI written blogs and product reviews 00:08:44.669 --> 00:08:47.730 and engagement comments designed to trick algorithms 00:08:47.730 --> 00:08:51.450 into ranking their owners higher. I think the 00:08:51.450 --> 00:08:55.289 line between human and bot activity is now so 00:08:55.289 --> 00:08:58.950 thin that every major analytics firm admits the 00:08:58.950 --> 00:09:01.769 numbers are quite blurry. Spot traffic isn't 00:09:01.769 --> 00:09:03.970 really an anomaly. It's the infrastructure of 00:09:03.970 --> 00:09:06.009 what we see today and how you market product. 00:09:06.129 --> 00:09:08.909 It drives impressions, engagement, and revenue 00:09:08.909 --> 00:09:11.269 metrics that all of these platforms, including 00:09:11.269 --> 00:09:13.960 the one we're on today, depend on. That's why 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.580 this part of the dead internet theory really 00:09:16.580 --> 00:09:19.000 sticks with me. You don't have to believe in 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:21.460 this kind of shadow conspiracy to see that half 00:09:21.460 --> 00:09:23.820 of the modern web is automated. I think the real 00:09:23.820 --> 00:09:26.360 question isn't whether bots have taken over. 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.539 It's whether we have truly noticed when they 00:09:29.539 --> 00:09:32.299 did. And when we talk about this, think about 00:09:32.299 --> 00:09:34.799 the messages that they can amplify. If they want 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.039 to get somebody into office, if they want to 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.600 get a socialist into office or whatever the case 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.919 may be, it's not one person advocating now. have 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.500 thousands of fictitious accounts, amplifying 00:09:45.500 --> 00:09:48.299 a message that will persuade the people that 00:09:48.299 --> 00:09:51.080 are on social media platforms to buy into. And 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.039 now you're talking about influence. When we're 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:54.519 talking about this topic, we're almost talking 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:56.919 about Project Bluebeam because there's an army 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.539 out there that's influencing what you think when 00:09:59.539 --> 00:10:02.139 you see it on a Facebook ad or what have you. 00:10:02.340 --> 00:10:04.919 Yeah, it's scary when I think about Project Bluebeam 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:08.500 and the 15 minute smart cities. We ran into the 00:10:08.500 --> 00:10:11.740 whole 6G thing where I can like project hologram. 00:10:11.690 --> 00:10:13.830 and all that stuff. And think about how terrifying 00:10:13.830 --> 00:10:16.149 that's going to be when you have AI bots projecting 00:10:16.149 --> 00:10:19.350 holograms across your space. So I actually learned 00:10:19.350 --> 00:10:21.509 a lot when I was doing my deep dive on this subject 00:10:21.509 --> 00:10:23.090 because I didn't know a whole lot about it. Like 00:10:23.090 --> 00:10:25.570 when I heard dead -end internet theory, I thought... 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.740 With being very novice in this concept, I thought 00:10:27.740 --> 00:10:29.460 somebody was suggesting that people were just 00:10:29.460 --> 00:10:31.860 not using the internet and the traffic had fallen 00:10:31.860 --> 00:10:34.759 off and it was just populated with billions and 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.580 billions of dead websites or Reddit pages or 00:10:37.580 --> 00:10:39.980 forum pages. I didn't really know what I was 00:10:39.980 --> 00:10:42.200 looking at or getting myself into. So I always 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:44.059 try to start off at the base level. So I'm like, 00:10:44.059 --> 00:10:48.320 okay, so how are bots involved in the search 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.279 engine? I always assume when I type something 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.179 into a search engine, it was just connecting 00:10:52.179 --> 00:10:54.450 me to the server, just the web address. What 00:10:54.450 --> 00:10:56.809 I didn't know is that these bots like crawl the 00:10:56.809 --> 00:10:59.549 internet. Say my neighbor had an internet site 00:10:59.549 --> 00:11:02.629 that gets maybe three views a month. I didn't 00:11:02.629 --> 00:11:04.990 realize that a bot would only look at that site 00:11:04.990 --> 00:11:08.049 probably once a month. So if he updated his website 00:11:08.049 --> 00:11:10.509 on his server with a new article, I may not be 00:11:10.509 --> 00:11:12.669 able to see it for another 30 to 60 days, depending 00:11:12.669 --> 00:11:14.929 on how often the bot got there. But websites 00:11:14.929 --> 00:11:17.669 like Fox News or... anything that's popular, 00:11:17.830 --> 00:11:21.269 like CNN, Yahoo, the weather service, those bots 00:11:21.269 --> 00:11:23.129 are hitting those websites every 30 seconds. 00:11:23.250 --> 00:11:25.529 But what I didn't realize is that I was looking 00:11:25.529 --> 00:11:28.289 at an index. When you use Google search engine, 00:11:28.330 --> 00:11:30.629 you're just looking at their index, what they've 00:11:30.629 --> 00:11:32.429 indexed with their bots. If you go to DuckDuckGo, 00:11:32.529 --> 00:11:34.590 same thing, you're looking at their index. So 00:11:34.590 --> 00:11:38.370 these big corporations index websites, and some 00:11:38.370 --> 00:11:40.110 may have some information that the other one 00:11:40.110 --> 00:11:42.450 doesn't. I think Google probably has most of 00:11:42.450 --> 00:11:44.129 the stuff out there. But some of these smaller 00:11:44.129 --> 00:11:46.340 search engines don't have as much... output, 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.659 they'll probably don't have as many bots. And 00:11:48.659 --> 00:11:50.919 so they're not indexing at the same rate. But 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:52.740 I thought that was a little bit eye opening for 00:11:52.740 --> 00:11:54.840 me. I just assumed everything was in real time, 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.100 but no, you're actually, whenever you type something 00:11:57.100 --> 00:11:58.759 into the internet, you're looking at something 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.460 that maybe 30 seconds ago, or that was. there 00:12:01.460 --> 00:12:04.279 a month ago. You're really at the mercy of when 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:06.840 the bot comes back around and index your page 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:08.960 back into their server. Yeah, it's interesting 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.460 because for the last 40, 50, 60 years, what have 00:12:12.460 --> 00:12:15.200 you, possibly longer, AI is crawling all that 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.279 activity. It's learning from your information. 00:12:17.379 --> 00:12:19.659 It's learning how humans write and how they interact. 00:12:19.899 --> 00:12:22.580 Not only do they crawl like books that have been 00:12:22.580 --> 00:12:25.620 written or articles or newspapers, they're crawling 00:12:25.620 --> 00:12:28.080 like Reddit and Facebook. They're pulling all 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.600 this content in so that they see how normal people 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.419 interact with one another online and they learn 00:12:33.419 --> 00:12:35.480 from it. But I think the most scary thing is 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.360 it's not like a super human intelligent, like 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:40.559 I take all the content and I give you some type 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.100 of fact. Somebody's told me something, I give 00:12:42.100 --> 00:12:44.340 you some kind of fact output. These machines 00:12:44.340 --> 00:12:47.860 hallucinate at an extraordinary rate. So if you're 00:12:47.860 --> 00:12:51.059 like, give me a AI generated Bible, like they 00:12:51.059 --> 00:12:52.919 could manipulate all kinds of facts and they'll 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.159 call them hallucinations, but it'll be very inconsistent. 00:12:56.259 --> 00:12:58.360 And I think that's what's scary is because we're 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:00.500 like muddy in the waters with or information 00:13:00.500 --> 00:13:02.639 that's out there today. And we're all starting 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:05.759 to buy it from every kind of similar level. So 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:07.919 when I think about it, like you think about these 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:10.059 bots that are crawling activity out there and 00:13:10.059 --> 00:13:12.860 reading published information, but you add to 00:13:12.860 --> 00:13:15.440 that pool because a lot of people that write 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:17.980 professionally are now using bots to write professionally. 00:13:18.179 --> 00:13:20.139 So the bots are crawling the bot. In my line 00:13:20.139 --> 00:13:21.860 of work today, I usually call it the bot words 00:13:21.860 --> 00:13:24.399 because we're defending against the bots and 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:26.570 the bots are talking to each other. And at some 00:13:26.570 --> 00:13:28.210 point there's going to be a critical point of 00:13:28.210 --> 00:13:30.929 failure, potentially AI goes away because it's 00:13:30.929 --> 00:13:33.110 teaching itself. It's learning on its own mechanisms, 00:13:33.190 --> 00:13:36.149 or perhaps it goes in the opposite direction. 00:13:36.169 --> 00:13:38.490 And we change the course of human history when 00:13:38.490 --> 00:13:40.710 people are no longer old enough to remember when 00:13:40.710 --> 00:13:43.149 they read the right history books. One of the 00:13:43.149 --> 00:13:45.309 interesting facts that I read the other day, 00:13:45.549 --> 00:13:49.710 according to NewsGuard, more than 2000 AI generated 00:13:49.710 --> 00:13:53.269 news and information sites now operate worldwide. 00:13:53.490 --> 00:13:54.929 This is the information that you're reading every 00:13:54.929 --> 00:13:56.809 day about what's going on in the world. And most 00:13:56.809 --> 00:13:59.409 of them, without disclosure, they recycle press 00:13:59.409 --> 00:14:02.549 releases, invent sources, and exist purely to 00:14:02.549 --> 00:14:05.350 drive ad impression. They're not perhaps misinformation 00:14:05.350 --> 00:14:08.169 in the old sense. They're post information. And 00:14:08.169 --> 00:14:11.210 they blend seamlessly with legitimate outlets, 00:14:11.409 --> 00:14:14.029 making them hard for both readers and the algorithm 00:14:14.029 --> 00:14:17.269 to tell the difference. On social media, the 00:14:17.269 --> 00:14:20.529 weirdness goes visual. Do you remember the shrimp 00:14:20.529 --> 00:14:25.100 Jesus wave on Facebook images? I don't. AI artwork 00:14:25.100 --> 00:14:28.480 so surreal and shareable that it's spread through 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:32.080 thousands of pages. These absurd yet viral creations 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.360 are the perfect example of what's happening. 00:14:34.620 --> 00:14:37.860 AI generated content engineered to grab attention, 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.480 not really to convey a meeting. A lot of people 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.590 call it AI slop error. doesn't need to fool anyone. 00:14:43.710 --> 00:14:46.590 It just needs to fill the feed and keep you scrolling 00:14:46.590 --> 00:14:49.629 through it. The uncanny kind of repetition and 00:14:49.629 --> 00:14:52.269 the aesthetic sameness aren't a bug. They're 00:14:52.269 --> 00:14:55.169 the texture of the internet optimized for endless 00:14:55.169 --> 00:14:58.250 content rather than authentic communication like 00:14:58.250 --> 00:15:00.549 we're having here today. Yeah. I think like a 00:15:00.549 --> 00:15:04.149 major strategy for social media companies is 00:15:04.149 --> 00:15:07.370 to manipulate your dopamine system. So the reason 00:15:07.370 --> 00:15:09.470 the content is the way it is now is because it 00:15:09.470 --> 00:15:11.669 gives you a dopamine spike and then you on to 00:15:11.669 --> 00:15:13.909 the next thing. It reduces your attention span 00:15:13.909 --> 00:15:15.350 and it gives you that hit. It makes you feel 00:15:15.350 --> 00:15:17.289 good. It kind of makes you perk up a little bit. 00:15:17.570 --> 00:15:19.870 And over time, you can deplete your dopamine, 00:15:20.029 --> 00:15:22.090 your attention span gets smaller and smaller. 00:15:22.169 --> 00:15:25.029 And then I argue, if you watch too much content, 00:15:25.110 --> 00:15:27.250 especially AI generated content, there's always 00:15:27.250 --> 00:15:29.529 like an underlying, kind of weaving an underlying 00:15:29.529 --> 00:15:31.769 message behind it. Like point you in a direction. 00:15:31.929 --> 00:15:33.970 And though it may not be, take a hard right turn 00:15:33.970 --> 00:15:36.809 here, but you may just get slightly nudged to 00:15:36.809 --> 00:15:38.889 the right. And over time, you're going to start 00:15:38.889 --> 00:15:41.230 to think that you're coming. up with these beliefs 00:15:41.230 --> 00:15:43.830 on your own. But in retrospect, if you dig down 00:15:43.830 --> 00:15:46.549 into it, what you're going to find is that over 00:15:46.549 --> 00:15:48.909 time, over days, weeks, months, and even years, 00:15:49.129 --> 00:15:51.710 that you're subconsciously taking in to what 00:15:51.710 --> 00:15:54.269 this algorithm is pushing towards you. And you're 00:15:54.269 --> 00:15:56.330 really not coming to these conclusions your own, 00:15:56.350 --> 00:15:58.309 unless you're rooted in something. But I want 00:15:58.309 --> 00:16:00.889 to go back to some of the stuff I found about 00:16:00.889 --> 00:16:03.110 these bots. So apparently there's six different 00:16:03.110 --> 00:16:05.970 levels of bots. The first one is just your basic 00:16:05.970 --> 00:16:08.090 dumb script bot. They call those level one bots 00:16:08.090 --> 00:16:10.759 and that's about 30 to 35. percent of all the 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:12.460 bots on the internet. And they're just simple 00:16:12.460 --> 00:16:14.580 if then commands. There's really no learning. 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:16.580 There's no memory and there's no decision making. 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:18.860 Level two bots are rule -based bots and they 00:16:18.860 --> 00:16:20.980 make up about 40 % of the bot traffic out there. 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:24.299 So it follows roughly a hundred to 10 ,000 lines 00:16:24.299 --> 00:16:27.379 of if this command. So if you see this, do that. 00:16:27.419 --> 00:16:29.860 Still zero learning. It's just a binary choice 00:16:29.860 --> 00:16:32.139 that it has to make. And if it sees what it's 00:16:32.139 --> 00:16:33.820 looking for, then we'll move on to the next line 00:16:33.820 --> 00:16:36.059 of code until it gets to the end. But again, 00:16:36.059 --> 00:16:38.720 it's not learning. It's not communicating. It's 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.659 just. doing simple commands. Then you had the 00:16:40.659 --> 00:16:42.600 level three bots, which are the lightweight ML 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.440 bots. So they're trained once on data and then 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.100 their programming's froze, but it can classify, 00:16:48.179 --> 00:16:50.279 but there's no reasoning. Then this is where 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:52.700 you start seeing the AI come in. So level four 00:16:52.700 --> 00:16:55.500 bots, LLM powered bots. These are relatively 00:16:55.500 --> 00:16:58.360 newer. They came about around early 2020s. So 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:00.960 these are like your chat, GP3, Autobots Unite. 00:17:02.020 --> 00:17:05.660 But they run actual transformer models. So they 00:17:05.660 --> 00:17:08.240 can write essays, hold conversations, impersonate 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:10.279 humans pretty convincingly. But I think if you 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:12.140 have a long enough conversation with a level 00:17:12.140 --> 00:17:13.759 four bot, you're going to suss it out pretty 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:15.519 quick if you have above average intelligence. 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:17.920 And so this is where it gets scary. And I can 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:20.539 see a lot of potential problems, especially economically 00:17:20.539 --> 00:17:22.720 and probably psychologically for some people. 00:17:22.819 --> 00:17:24.980 But you have the level five bots, they're autonomous 00:17:24.980 --> 00:17:27.559 AI agents. So these are relatively new just this 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:29.900 year. These bots are not just for answering questions 00:17:29.900 --> 00:17:32.440 like a chech. GPT model, but they use a plan, 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:34.940 they use tools, they browse the live web, they 00:17:34.940 --> 00:17:37.099 send emails, they book flights, they run code, 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.440 they remember across sessions, they're true AI 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:42.779 employees. So these account for roughly one, 00:17:42.779 --> 00:17:44.619 three percent, but they're projected to grow 00:17:44.619 --> 00:17:47.079 10 times year over year. And just go back to 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:49.259 the level four bots real quick, the LMM powered, 00:17:49.299 --> 00:17:51.579 they account for about 12 to 15 % of the bot 00:17:51.579 --> 00:17:53.779 traffic. But the level five bots, essentially 00:17:53.779 --> 00:17:56.519 you're going to quote unquote employ one. I'm 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:58.140 sure they're going to charge for this. So you 00:17:58.140 --> 00:18:00.440 can simply go into your search. Engine say I 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:02.880 want the cheapest flight to, let's just say Atlanta. 00:18:03.099 --> 00:18:04.859 And it's going to go through all the websites. 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:06.940 It will book it for you as long as it has your 00:18:06.940 --> 00:18:10.299 information, which it will, and pay for it. You're 00:18:10.299 --> 00:18:12.579 just going to have type of query, very useful, 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:14.880 but I can see how this in the long -term can 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:17.039 eliminate a lot of jobs that people are doing 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.240 at the moment. And then the final level that 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.799 I uncovered was level six bots. These are these 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.099 botnets, these zombie fleets. These are just 00:18:24.099 --> 00:18:27.420 armies of compromised devices or cloud VMs, virtual 00:18:27.420 --> 00:18:29.799 machines running any and all of the above. So 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:31.880 they're used from level one bots all the way 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:33.740 down to level five bots. And these are the bots 00:18:33.740 --> 00:18:37.519 that try to program and influence our decisions, 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:41.819 our elections. And we can get later into some 00:18:41.819 --> 00:18:43.720 of the conspiracies, which at this point, I don't 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:46.140 think they're conspiracies about how people use 00:18:46.140 --> 00:18:49.000 and deploy these zombie fleets. So I think that's 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:53.279 happening today. I think level five is almost 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:55.799 the norm. I'll tell you a little story. So obviously 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:58.400 prior to my current job, I worked at Amazon web 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.400 services. We're almost going back a decade now. 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:05.039 So technology moves at a very fast clip. So the 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:07.339 stuff I'm talking about today is antiquated. 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:09.400 You might as well be working on a big old tower 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:12.180 PC that's sitting on your desk like we grew up 00:19:12.180 --> 00:19:15.019 with as kids. But even back then, a lot of people 00:19:15.019 --> 00:19:17.400 think, okay, they're crawling my words and they're 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:18.900 putting a bunch of words together, make it sound 00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:21.700 fancy and pushing it out. But even back then, 00:19:21.700 --> 00:19:24.299 I was teaching a machine how to see. We were 00:19:24.299 --> 00:19:26.319 feeding security camera footage into it and it 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.220 would be asking me questions. What is this? And 00:19:28.220 --> 00:19:31.440 I remember teaching security cameras. what people 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.359 look like. They would take different stills. 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.339 They would analyze it and say, is that a person 00:19:35.339 --> 00:19:37.460 or is that a dog or is that a whatever? And I 00:19:37.460 --> 00:19:39.579 would have tons of people just teaching this 00:19:39.579 --> 00:19:42.240 machine how to see. And it started as very basic. 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:43.880 If you sat down with a five -year -old and said, 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:45.940 that's a person. And they're like, he's black, 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.140 white, or indifferent. Is that the same thing? 00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:50.140 And you would go through these very minor steps. 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:53.019 But as we got to, after about six months to a 00:19:53.019 --> 00:19:55.319 year, as we got off to the other side of it, 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:57.920 it was very on point. Like it could tell the 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.480 difference between a person, a dog, a car. like 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.119 it could identify, which was more important to 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.359 us, weapons. It could identify guns and knives 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.680 and batons. It actually saved one of the facilities 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:10.460 that I was working at where the cameras were 00:20:10.460 --> 00:20:13.839 deployed. We had an employee that was terminated 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:16.339 from their job. He got pissed off after getting 00:20:16.339 --> 00:20:18.240 fired, walked out of the facility, went to the 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.240 trunk of his car and retrieved the shotgun. He 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:22.019 grabbed the shotgun, was walking back to the 00:20:22.019 --> 00:20:24.480 facility. The AI system picked it up and said, 00:20:24.579 --> 00:20:27.240 this man has a shotgun outside the door and immediately 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:29.319 locked down the facility so he couldn't get back. 00:20:29.130 --> 00:20:31.210 By the time he returned to the door, he couldn't 00:20:31.210 --> 00:20:32.950 open the door. It was locked. He stood there 00:20:32.950 --> 00:20:35.150 for a little bit. There were high security locks. 00:20:35.210 --> 00:20:37.009 He probably knew he couldn't get back in. And 00:20:37.009 --> 00:20:38.769 he eventually came up, threw a shotgun in his 00:20:38.769 --> 00:20:40.910 car and rolled out of the facility. But because 00:20:40.910 --> 00:20:43.250 of the way we trained our AI system, it made 00:20:43.250 --> 00:20:45.130 that identification and locked down that facility. 00:20:45.230 --> 00:20:47.549 So what we're talking about today is not just 00:20:47.549 --> 00:20:50.089 crawling words. It's they know how to hear. Like 00:20:50.089 --> 00:20:51.730 many years ago, when I was in law enforcement, 00:20:51.769 --> 00:20:54.549 they have things that pick up sound and they 00:20:54.549 --> 00:20:56.529 make a determination if it's a gunshot. Like 00:20:56.529 --> 00:20:57.849 they put them in a lot of bad neighborhoods. 00:20:58.349 --> 00:21:00.109 about SCART going off, people shooting at each 00:21:00.109 --> 00:21:02.170 other, it alerts law enforcement. These machines 00:21:02.170 --> 00:21:04.930 are learning how to see, how to hear, how to 00:21:04.930 --> 00:21:07.730 read, and they are becoming very sophisticated. 00:21:07.829 --> 00:21:10.309 And that was 10 years ago. You imagine what they 00:21:10.309 --> 00:21:12.930 can see today versus what I was working on a 00:21:12.930 --> 00:21:16.069 decade ago is getting in some scary stuff. I 00:21:16.069 --> 00:21:19.190 think once upon a time, search engines, when 00:21:19.190 --> 00:21:21.809 we talk about Google or Microsoft or what have 00:21:21.809 --> 00:21:24.890 you, were about discovery. You asked a question 00:21:24.890 --> 00:21:27.900 and Google led you to someone's answer. there's 00:21:27.900 --> 00:21:30.079 a middle layer, the human page, the blog post, 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:32.619 the firsthand experience is being erased. What 00:21:32.619 --> 00:21:35.259 I saw was, is that Google itself admitted the 00:21:35.259 --> 00:21:38.980 problem in 2024. Too many pages created for search 00:21:38.980 --> 00:21:41.359 engines instead of people. The company rolled 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.740 out updates to suppress low quality content, 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:48.519 much of which was AI generated this SEO filter 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.559 designed solely for rank. But that fix really 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:54.240 came with a twist. While Google began pursuing 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.759 bad results, it also started rolling out AI powered 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:00.279 summaries that generated answers directly in 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:02.559 the search engine. Instead of linking you to 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:05.859 a crater or a journal, the system writes a condensed 00:22:05.859 --> 00:22:08.460 synthesis of the information pulled from multiple 00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:11.400 sources, many of which are themselves just AI 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.000 generated. In practice, this means that both 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.720 discovery and credit start to collapse. Fewer 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.200 clicks go to human publishers and more engagement 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:21.680 really stays with the machine. That's why so 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:24.180 many people say the internet feels a bit different 00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:27.099 today. It's not really nostalgic. It's the ground 00:22:27.099 --> 00:22:29.720 shifting right under our feet. The web architecture 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:33.000 wants a network of human voices is being replaced 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:36.339 by this automated feedback loop of content and 00:22:36.339 --> 00:22:40.200 AI and then AI trained on AI ranked by AI. And 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:43.079 what used to be this library is turning into 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:46.799 a mirror for AI itself. So what we're engaging 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:49.220 with is AI. Perhaps when you, I want to write 00:22:49.220 --> 00:22:51.539 a really fancy article, AI is helping you write 00:22:51.539 --> 00:22:54.420 it. And AI is involved in that entire loop. And 00:22:54.420 --> 00:22:56.259 the only thing that human has to interact with 00:22:56.259 --> 00:22:58.359 is, yeah, that sounds okay. I'll publish that. 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:01.519 So like, where's our education coming from? I 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:04.000 don't even know. If people are like, one of the 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:06.039 things you talk a lot of the engineers that are 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:08.339 Amazon today, many of them are laid off and the 00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:10.119 experts are sticking around, but the people that 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.799 started or that wrote basic code and were the 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.380 backbone of the online. environment that today 00:23:15.380 --> 00:23:17.039 are gone. And I don't know what happens when 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:20.859 those guys retire, but AI is so intricately involved 00:23:20.859 --> 00:23:23.900 in that. And I really worry about the future 00:23:23.900 --> 00:23:26.720 my son grows up in because I think universal 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:28.460 income is going to be a real thing because I 00:23:28.460 --> 00:23:31.019 think a lot of these low to middle level jobs 00:23:31.019 --> 00:23:34.240 are going to be gone. And I worry because a lot 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:35.960 of the high level jobs stick around, but what 00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:37.720 happens when those people retire? Who's going 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:39.880 to replace them? There's no people coming up 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:42.660 within the organization to learn the lower level 00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:45.190 skills to get to the advanced level skills and 00:23:45.190 --> 00:23:47.289 it becomes like we're almost relying upon this 00:23:47.289 --> 00:23:49.049 machine in order to function. Yeah, the question 00:23:49.049 --> 00:23:51.490 I always ask, like somebody's programming the 00:23:51.490 --> 00:23:54.109 AI, somebody's given these commands, even if 00:23:54.109 --> 00:23:57.349 it's a simple. level one bot. Somebody is programming 00:23:57.349 --> 00:24:00.950 that or did in the past program that code into 00:24:00.950 --> 00:24:03.930 the bot. So who's programming them? We know it's 00:24:03.930 --> 00:24:06.130 the corporations, it's Google, it's the medas. 00:24:06.490 --> 00:24:08.589 It's the, I think to a certain extent, the government, 00:24:08.609 --> 00:24:10.509 because I think the government has a big influence 00:24:10.509 --> 00:24:13.450 on all these big mega corporations. And I think 00:24:13.450 --> 00:24:15.789 China to a certain extent too. We always talk 00:24:15.789 --> 00:24:18.750 about the almighty dollar and it seems like if 00:24:18.750 --> 00:24:20.950 there's enough money being shuttled their way, 00:24:20.950 --> 00:24:23.289 they're going to program the bots and the AI 00:24:23.289 --> 00:24:25.650 to push them there. in their favor. And I think 00:24:25.650 --> 00:24:28.230 we've seen plenty of those examples over the 00:24:28.230 --> 00:24:30.670 past four to eight years. It's also interesting 00:24:30.670 --> 00:24:32.990 too, because you can't help when you're on social 00:24:32.990 --> 00:24:35.829 media to see people, see certain content. It 00:24:35.829 --> 00:24:38.930 seems like certain niches or certain individuals 00:24:38.930 --> 00:24:40.910 come up out of nowhere. Have you noticed that? 00:24:40.970 --> 00:24:42.650 Like, where'd this guy or girl come from? Never 00:24:42.650 --> 00:24:44.809 heard of them. Now you look at their web page 00:24:44.809 --> 00:24:46.670 or you look at their social media page and they 00:24:46.670 --> 00:24:49.349 have 20 million followers. But a lot of those 00:24:49.349 --> 00:24:52.750 followers are bots. They're auto following because 00:24:52.750 --> 00:24:55.900 whatever they're selling, both literally and 00:24:55.900 --> 00:24:58.519 figuratively, it falls in line with the content 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:00.839 that the government or the powers that be want. 00:25:00.980 --> 00:25:03.339 So you have these massive bot armies that can 00:25:03.339 --> 00:25:05.339 take someone like, let's just use your neighbor 00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:07.920 next door. He or she has a certain message that 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:09.759 falls in line with whatever the government's 00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:11.740 trying to push. And the next thing you know, 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:13.880 in a couple of weeks, this person's all over 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:17.359 your feeds, all over your shorts, all over YouTube. 00:25:17.660 --> 00:25:20.400 And you look at their count, followers in the 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:23.059 millions in People automatically assume this 00:25:23.059 --> 00:25:25.880 person is a subject matter expert. They're popular. 00:25:26.059 --> 00:25:27.720 They're important. I want to follow them and 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:29.539 start watching their content. And right there 00:25:29.539 --> 00:25:32.140 is just an easy way to uplift the voice out of 00:25:32.140 --> 00:25:35.359 this abyss that people compete in for attention. 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:37.720 And it also goes the other way too. So let's 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.119 just think you have a message. Maybe you're on 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:43.640 the good side of the corporations one day and 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:45.059 you say something they don't like. Next thing 00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:47.359 you have a bot army going out to all the socials, 00:25:47.380 --> 00:25:49.740 all the internet saying how big of an idiot you 00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:52.980 are, how You could be a racist or a sexist or 00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:55.099 just spreading garbage about you. And then I've 00:25:55.099 --> 00:25:57.539 read plenty of articles about, oh, so -and -so 00:25:57.539 --> 00:25:59.579 just lost a million followers. Yeah, there's 00:25:59.579 --> 00:26:02.549 real people in that. follower count, but guarantee 00:26:02.549 --> 00:26:06.009 you 90 % of the losses are all spots just following 00:26:06.009 --> 00:26:08.089 the line of code, unfollowing this person to 00:26:08.089 --> 00:26:10.809 make this event seem more, oh, what's the word 00:26:10.809 --> 00:26:13.630 I'm looking for? Authentic than it really is. 00:26:13.769 --> 00:26:15.890 Just like when these people blow up, it's not 00:26:15.890 --> 00:26:19.349 true growing. It's manufactured growth. And I 00:26:19.349 --> 00:26:21.769 think it's manufactured destruction. Yeah, a 00:26:21.769 --> 00:26:24.859 hundred percent. If you had 20. thousand dollars, 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:28.640 I could make you have a million followers. I 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.259 guarantee you could because you can engage these 00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:34.519 bot farms and drive up your numbers in organically. 00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:36.680 You can make people subscribe and push you to 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:39.380 the front of the line and make people buy into 00:26:39.380 --> 00:26:42.220 the concept. It all costs money. One person sitting 00:26:42.220 --> 00:26:45.559 in Bangladesh can now make you have a hundred 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.700 thousand downloads and push you up to the top 00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:49.900 of your category. Now, if you don't have good 00:26:49.900 --> 00:26:52.140 content, you won't sustain like your numbers 00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:55.349 will die off. eventually, but I can cut you to 00:26:55.349 --> 00:26:57.509 that front of the line. So what we're creating 00:26:57.509 --> 00:26:59.950 today with artificial intelligence is really 00:26:59.950 --> 00:27:02.829 an unfair system. where the little guys like 00:27:02.829 --> 00:27:05.329 us that we come into the game and we start having 00:27:05.329 --> 00:27:08.009 a podcast, we're at a disadvantage if we don't 00:27:08.009 --> 00:27:09.930 engage into some of those activities. Not that 00:27:09.930 --> 00:27:12.410 we do, but if we didn't because like we're at 00:27:12.410 --> 00:27:15.049 a disadvantage because everybody else or a lot 00:27:15.049 --> 00:27:17.690 of people are using bots to really boost their 00:27:17.690 --> 00:27:19.950 numbers to get in front of you so that you listen 00:27:19.950 --> 00:27:22.349 to them and you see a lot of it. Like whether, 00:27:22.349 --> 00:27:24.589 hell, half the podcasts that you probably listen 00:27:24.589 --> 00:27:27.750 to today are AI generated voices that just geared 00:27:27.750 --> 00:27:30.150 right into content and can sound natural when 00:27:30.150 --> 00:27:32.859 they're having. Dude, I don't want to cut you 00:27:32.859 --> 00:27:36.059 off. I happened to accidentally run up on a podcast 00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:38.220 like that one day, probably about a month ago. 00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:41.230 So it was a topic I was interested in. I use 00:27:41.230 --> 00:27:43.910 Apple podcast and you can type in, I guess, subject 00:27:43.910 --> 00:27:46.589 line and it will pull up like, I assume it's 00:27:46.589 --> 00:27:48.970 the most relevant topic for the subject. And 00:27:48.970 --> 00:27:51.210 probably I assume it's sorts by like listens. 00:27:51.349 --> 00:27:53.170 So anyway, I'm like, okay. I saw their little 00:27:53.170 --> 00:27:54.589 thumbnail and it looked like a guy and girl, 00:27:54.609 --> 00:27:57.089 but it was digitally rendered and I'm listening 00:27:57.089 --> 00:27:59.789 to it. And I'm like, this sounds bizarre. Like 00:27:59.789 --> 00:28:02.630 their language was again too perfect. The back 00:28:02.630 --> 00:28:05.470 and forth seems a little bit scripted, but I 00:28:05.470 --> 00:28:07.769 don't necessarily see that as a red flag. I know 00:28:07.769 --> 00:28:10.430 a lot of podcasters and even people. news, read 00:28:10.430 --> 00:28:12.950 stuff, but it almost seemed too perfect. But 00:28:12.950 --> 00:28:15.650 what kind of gave it off was my radar is pinging 00:28:15.650 --> 00:28:17.269 at this point. I'm like, this something's off. 00:28:17.269 --> 00:28:19.970 Like this seems not natural. So this is where 00:28:19.970 --> 00:28:23.109 some of the LLMs kind of break. When people talk 00:28:23.109 --> 00:28:25.750 about World War II, they do the alphanumeric, 00:28:25.769 --> 00:28:28.809 WW1, like the Roman numeral side, one on one. 00:28:28.970 --> 00:28:31.549 So as this, the male in this fake podcast was 00:28:31.549 --> 00:28:35.029 talking, he's yeah, back in WWII, I'm like, oh, 00:28:35.029 --> 00:28:39.079 there it is. It's a bi, it's an AI podcast. I 00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.880 did that with Noah, he's like in the N -O -A 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.400 or whatever the acronym is for it. But I was 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.500 like, okay. I'm like, they had me there for a 00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:48.720 little bit, but pretty quickly, about three minutes 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.019 into the podcast, I was like, the thing that 00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:54.099 is missing. is the speech patterns, the tonality 00:28:54.099 --> 00:28:56.880 shifts. But once AI figures that out, we're not 00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.700 gonna know what's real and what's not. Yeah, 00:28:58.700 --> 00:29:01.059 or you just program it to act like that, to make 00:29:01.059 --> 00:29:03.500 mistakes. Did you know, Jay, that me and you 00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:06.039 are bots? I hear that a lot on Reddit. Yeah, 00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:09.960 we're robots. And I sell them by the way we mispronounce 00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:12.700 words and do all that stuff. We're clearly not 00:29:12.700 --> 00:29:13.839 bots because they haven't figured it out. Oh, 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:15.660 dude, I'm half retarded. I'm lucky I can speak. 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:17.759 Everyone accuses me of being a bot. I'm like, 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.700 there, that's a compliment for me there, dude. 00:29:20.019 --> 00:29:23.339 Right, we're saying all the words. I think every 00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:26.640 major platform really runs on this single metric 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.019 and that is engagement. The more clicks mean 00:29:29.019 --> 00:29:32.759 more data and more ads and more revenue. As a 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.319 writer that I saw called Corey Doctorow puts 00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:39.039 it, this leads to his concept in shitification, 00:29:39.339 --> 00:29:41.759 a process where platforms start out as serving 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:44.950 others and then pivot to serve business partners 00:29:44.950 --> 00:29:48.029 and finally extract as much profit as possible 00:29:48.029 --> 00:29:50.750 from everyone that's left. At first, I think 00:29:50.750 --> 00:29:53.069 a site feels vibrant, the algorithms reward the 00:29:53.069 --> 00:29:55.269 creativity and the connection. Then the ads, 00:29:55.430 --> 00:29:57.869 the corporate priorities creep in and they feed 00:29:57.869 --> 00:30:01.009 the algorithm shift from what you like to what 00:30:01.009 --> 00:30:03.930 keeps you there. And the spammy automation and 00:30:03.930 --> 00:30:07.049 low effort of viral content thrives because they're 00:30:07.049 --> 00:30:09.529 cheap and constant. Real human posts, which take 00:30:09.529 --> 00:30:12.170 time and thought to write out, get really buried. 00:30:12.170 --> 00:30:14.809 under what machines can churn out in seconds. 00:30:15.009 --> 00:30:17.829 The result isn't that it's a dead internet, it's 00:30:17.829 --> 00:30:19.730 that it's a suffocating one. Like you could set 00:30:19.730 --> 00:30:21.549 it around and write good content, but you might 00:30:21.549 --> 00:30:23.089 have one good article and now all of a sudden 00:30:23.089 --> 00:30:26.309 it's buried under 50 AI generated ones and you 00:30:26.309 --> 00:30:28.009 hope somebody sees your real one. So you have 00:30:28.009 --> 00:30:30.230 all this shit that's piled on top of it. And 00:30:30.230 --> 00:30:33.650 I think this is why so many users describe the 00:30:33.650 --> 00:30:36.789 web as like this repetitiveness or this soulless 00:30:36.789 --> 00:30:39.599 nature of it. It's not that. People disappear. 00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.119 It's that the system no longer rewards being 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:46.220 human, being authentic kind of loses its optimization. 00:30:46.539 --> 00:30:49.559 The human web didn't die. I think it was just 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:53.140 remodeled for efficiency and output. And more 00:30:53.140 --> 00:30:56.299 as the humans get buried in this process, what's 00:30:56.299 --> 00:30:58.299 their reward? If I'm going to write a good article 00:30:58.299 --> 00:30:59.859 and you're never going to see it, am I going 00:30:59.859 --> 00:31:01.420 to keep writing those good articles? Probably 00:31:01.420 --> 00:31:04.299 not. And what you see now, in my opinion, as 00:31:04.299 --> 00:31:06.359 I spend some time on Reddit talking about our 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.259 content, talking about the conspiracy. that we 00:31:08.259 --> 00:31:11.059 dive into, people think because you put some 00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:13.220 thought into something that all of a sudden you're 00:31:13.220 --> 00:31:15.519 a bot because it sounds too nice to be a real 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.180 human thought and they have a lot of skepticism 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:20.640 towards it. And I think that's sad as well because 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:22.599 it's like, where's that middle ground? Do I have 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:24.519 to act retarded in order for you to believe that 00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:26.799 I'm a person because only robots are smart and 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.640 people are stupid. I don't know what that middle 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:31.059 ground looks like, but it becomes very difficult 00:31:31.059 --> 00:31:33.380 to transverse that space because though I have 00:31:33.380 --> 00:31:35.539 a lot of artificial intelligence training and 00:31:35.539 --> 00:31:37.630 background and implementation. within the companies 00:31:37.630 --> 00:31:40.069 that I worked, I would never use it for like 00:31:40.069 --> 00:31:42.670 my content creation or what have you. So I just 00:31:42.670 --> 00:31:46.230 find it crazy. Dude, like you said, it stifles 00:31:46.230 --> 00:31:48.950 creativity and it does that just what you said. 00:31:49.049 --> 00:31:51.650 If you're going to spend hours and hours of your 00:31:51.650 --> 00:31:54.569 week trying to research, write a good article, 00:31:54.609 --> 00:31:57.990 and then it's just buried by trash content, it 00:31:57.990 --> 00:32:00.750 destroys your motivation to really try to better 00:32:00.750 --> 00:32:02.130 the world, depending on what you're trying to 00:32:02.130 --> 00:32:04.170 do. And just to have it buried underneath crap 00:32:04.170 --> 00:32:07.869 articles or just straight up lies. When I do 00:32:07.869 --> 00:32:10.410 my research for these shows, I do use AI to get 00:32:10.410 --> 00:32:12.309 some bullet points, but then I go and research 00:32:12.309 --> 00:32:15.690 them. I read, I go to the source. I prefer human 00:32:15.690 --> 00:32:18.569 sources. So I'll do a lot of research via that 00:32:18.569 --> 00:32:21.170 route, but AI will contradict itself and it would 00:32:21.170 --> 00:32:22.829 just straight up lie to you. So you have to be 00:32:22.829 --> 00:32:25.269 very careful with your research on AI because 00:32:25.269 --> 00:32:28.329 it's that 80 -20 role. 80 % of it might be pretty 00:32:28.329 --> 00:32:30.369 good. The other 20 % is just made up. And there 00:32:30.369 --> 00:32:32.549 have been stories about AI hallucinating and 00:32:32.549 --> 00:32:35.319 just making crap up out of the blue. I don't 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.640 know why that happens. I think sometimes it does 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:41.079 it just to screw with you. So one thing I did 00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:44.779 find out, so to create a bot back in 2024, it 00:32:44.779 --> 00:32:48.599 was $6. Now in 2025, it costs about 12 cents 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.160 to buy a bot and put it out to work. 12 cents. 00:32:51.339 --> 00:32:53.700 So if you had 500 bucks, you spent 500 bucks 00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:56.380 a month, you could have thousands of bots pushing 00:32:56.380 --> 00:32:59.839 whatever agenda or liking or disliking whatever 00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:03.089 posts or content that... you want it to do. It's 00:33:03.089 --> 00:33:05.509 just wild how cheap it's gotten. There have been 00:33:05.509 --> 00:33:08.230 some, some concerns about these bots actually 00:33:08.230 --> 00:33:10.549 replicating themselves, which we can get into 00:33:10.549 --> 00:33:12.710 that in a little bit, but just want to lay the 00:33:12.710 --> 00:33:15.029 groundwork. So you can deploy these bot armies, 00:33:15.250 --> 00:33:17.230 especially with these level five and level four 00:33:17.230 --> 00:33:20.369 bots. They're smart enough to procreate in the 00:33:20.369 --> 00:33:23.210 digital sense. I know a lot of social media sites 00:33:23.210 --> 00:33:26.710 like X and Reddit and beta and all the big ones 00:33:26.710 --> 00:33:28.549 you can think of. They have a problem with when 00:33:28.549 --> 00:33:31.200 they remove bots from the platform, it's It's 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.059 an ever losing battle because in this, as they're 00:33:34.059 --> 00:33:36.500 saying, removing a million bots, another two, 00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:38.740 300 million have been made. And then the amount 00:33:38.740 --> 00:33:40.980 of time it took for them to remove that relatively 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:42.740 large number, but comparatively speaking, it's 00:33:42.740 --> 00:33:45.079 very small and they start to self replicate and 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.420 proliferate the internet. It's wild and it's 00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:48.740 just nuts. And I just kind of want to hit some 00:33:48.740 --> 00:33:52.039 of the numbers that are disclosed. So back in 00:33:52.089 --> 00:33:54.869 December of 2016, Facebook admitted to having 00:33:54.869 --> 00:33:57.269 a hundred million plus fake accounts. And that's 00:33:57.269 --> 00:33:59.549 what they're admitting to. And that's pretty 00:33:59.549 --> 00:34:03.789 wild. And in the first quarter one of 2017, Instagram 00:34:03.789 --> 00:34:06.569 hit 600 million users and they admitted to the 00:34:06.569 --> 00:34:08.730 8 % of them being fake. And we're going back, 00:34:08.869 --> 00:34:11.489 what's that, eight years ago now? You can imagine 00:34:11.489 --> 00:34:14.329 that 8 % now is probably well over 50. In the 00:34:14.329 --> 00:34:17.650 COVID lockdowns between 2020 and 2021, 2 billion 00:34:17.650 --> 00:34:20.309 new social media accounts were made. That is, 00:34:20.309 --> 00:34:22.949 I think, statistically. Impossible. There's 8 00:34:22.949 --> 00:34:26.250 billion people in the world, maybe 3, 4 billion 00:34:26.250 --> 00:34:29.449 uses the internet on a daily basis. And out of 00:34:29.449 --> 00:34:31.750 that 2 billion new social accounts that were 00:34:31.750 --> 00:34:34.690 created in those two years, they assume 70 % 00:34:34.690 --> 00:34:37.010 of those are from bots. And with the proliferation 00:34:37.010 --> 00:34:39.630 of chat GPT, it's just getting worse. And a lot 00:34:39.630 --> 00:34:42.889 of people think between 2023 and 2025, which 00:34:42.889 --> 00:34:46.230 is now, LMB bots, the cheap cloud experience, 00:34:46.230 --> 00:34:48.409 and the exponential growth, we're at the point 00:34:48.409 --> 00:34:51.110 of no return. The bots have conquered in one. 00:34:50.989 --> 00:34:53.030 the internet. It's just a matter of time until 00:34:53.030 --> 00:34:55.789 they are 90 % of the traffic and they actually 00:34:55.789 --> 00:34:57.929 right now they're saying it's 52 % of the traffic 00:34:57.929 --> 00:35:00.289 they're saying is a late 2026 account for up 00:35:00.289 --> 00:35:02.389 to 70 % of the traffic. Yeah. When you think 00:35:02.389 --> 00:35:05.010 about it, the bots can do anything that you can 00:35:05.010 --> 00:35:08.010 do online, perhaps better. They can click all 00:35:08.010 --> 00:35:09.610 the same buttons. They can create all the same 00:35:09.610 --> 00:35:11.489 accounts. I remember way back in the day when 00:35:11.489 --> 00:35:14.250 I was in law enforcement, I had fake social medias. 00:35:14.269 --> 00:35:16.730 I was a very attractive female with it. All the 00:35:16.730 --> 00:35:18.849 gangsters really wanted to talk to and they didn't 00:35:18.849 --> 00:35:20.420 realize they were talking to a bearded. ugly 00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:23.719 man, but like that's what I was. But now you 00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:25.900 could have thousands of attractive women that 00:35:25.900 --> 00:35:27.840 are flooding your feeds and you don't know who 00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:29.500 you're clicking on. And perhaps you could even 00:35:29.500 --> 00:35:32.179 create like AI pornography. I know some people 00:35:32.179 --> 00:35:34.760 are gearing towards that angle. Hell, Chad GPT 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:36.900 itself said they might be getting into the adult 00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:41.440 market. So it's a handful of crazy out there 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.360 and they can do it a million times faster than 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.920 we can. And everything is about engagement. And 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:47.699 that's how people survive now is through social 00:35:47.699 --> 00:35:50.260 media. Most people are engaging. think multiple 00:35:50.260 --> 00:35:54.219 times a day with unauthentic accounts. And when 00:35:54.219 --> 00:35:56.219 you engage with it and you give it a thumbs up 00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:58.099 or somebody else doves, it gets pushed to the 00:35:58.099 --> 00:36:00.519 feed and more people interact with it. I saw 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:04.460 this story in 2024, researcher Renee, I'm going 00:36:04.460 --> 00:36:06.880 to butcher her last name, but it was Dio Reste. 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.300 John Goldstein and Patrick Redde from Stafford 00:36:10.300 --> 00:36:13.000 and Georgetown decided to test whether algorithm 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.400 feeds were amplifying AI junk. They deliberately 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.420 followed and interacted with a of Facebook pages 00:36:20.420 --> 00:36:24.019 known for posting low -quality AI content images. 00:36:24.179 --> 00:36:27.760 Those strange, hyper -colorful pictures of angels 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:31.219 and food and fantasy scenes. Within days, their 00:36:31.219 --> 00:36:33.679 feeds transformed. Without liking, commenting, 00:36:33.780 --> 00:36:36.900 or sharing, Facebook's algorithm began recommending 00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:40.260 dozens of similar AI image pages. Their timelines 00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:43.320 started to fill with endless machine -made art, 00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:45.699 none of which showed normal human engagement. 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:48.289 No comments, no conversations, just this endless 00:36:48.289 --> 00:36:51.650 noise. As Neiman's lab summarized it, within 00:36:51.650 --> 00:36:54.690 days of visiting those pages, Facebook's algorithm 00:36:54.690 --> 00:36:57.829 recommended reams of other AI generated content. 00:36:57.929 --> 00:37:01.289 It was controlled glimpses into how quickly the 00:37:01.289 --> 00:37:04.070 system can trap users into this automated kind 00:37:04.070 --> 00:37:06.250 of echo chamber. Proof that you don't need to 00:37:06.250 --> 00:37:08.730 believe in this grand conspiracy to feel like 00:37:08.730 --> 00:37:10.409 the bots are really starting to take over your 00:37:10.409 --> 00:37:12.010 feeds. And that's how I see a lot of them in 00:37:12.010 --> 00:37:14.289 my Facebook reels. When I talk about somebody 00:37:14.289 --> 00:37:16.469 does this AI generated content that has millions 00:37:16.469 --> 00:37:18.730 of followers. of these monkeys that have comedy 00:37:18.730 --> 00:37:21.570 and it's funny. I passed it at one point when 00:37:21.570 --> 00:37:23.449 I was flipping through the reels looking at content. 00:37:23.530 --> 00:37:25.909 And now I must see a dozen a day when I'm just 00:37:25.909 --> 00:37:27.849 bored and flipping through my Facebook stuff. 00:37:27.909 --> 00:37:30.130 And it starts to fill up. A lot of them are very 00:37:30.130 --> 00:37:32.809 popular with the front door cameras like Nest 00:37:32.809 --> 00:37:35.050 or whatever people have, Ring, where people make 00:37:35.050 --> 00:37:36.869 fake videos with that and they're supposed to 00:37:36.869 --> 00:37:38.789 be funny. But people try to pass them off as 00:37:38.789 --> 00:37:40.690 real. Look what we do to people that steal our 00:37:40.690 --> 00:37:43.090 packages. And most of that shit is fake. We're 00:37:43.090 --> 00:37:45.829 like exploding packages and all this stuff. And 00:37:45.829 --> 00:37:49.099 it's crazy. how fast that stuff infiltrates you 00:37:49.099 --> 00:37:51.559 gets in front of you and then it starts to change 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.860 people's opinions because now you used to be 00:37:53.860 --> 00:37:55.519 just like I hate people that steal packages I'm 00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:57.360 gonna call the cops to be like maybe I should 00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:59.079 punish them and when they come to my front door 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.579 shoot them or do something wild it starts to 00:38:01.579 --> 00:38:03.840 gear your thinking differently and that's why 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.880 with my AI background I'm a strong advocate that 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.260 you should vote in person because I worry about 00:38:09.260 --> 00:38:11.719 when you can cast your vote completely online 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.559 of how the algorithm is gonna kind of just make 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:16.639 you vote for whoever you know, the machine wants 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.960 you to vote for versus casting that ballot in 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.400 person and having a fairer election system. Because 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:23.559 I think it will be persuaded. And there's outside 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:26.059 interest too, where there's huge armies in North 00:38:26.059 --> 00:38:28.159 Korea and Russia that want to have a specific 00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.000 candidate in office and they're going to try 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.280 to influence you to do that one way or another. 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:34.739 Yeah, dude, it's wild. There was a bite dance 00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:38.199 internal leak in August of this year and TikTok 00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:41.699 admitted to 1 .9 million. fake accounts being 00:38:41.699 --> 00:38:44.599 created a day. That's freaking astronomical, 00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:46.780 man. And then in the third quarter of this year, 00:38:46.820 --> 00:38:50.280 2025, there are roughly 19 million domains that 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.219 are a hundred percent AI content farms. So it's 00:38:53.219 --> 00:38:55.500 just, like we said, it's just the proliferation 00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:57.940 is just out of control. And I think you see a 00:38:57.940 --> 00:39:00.119 lot of these bot armies come out during election 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.619 time, either promoting a candidate or bashing 00:39:02.619 --> 00:39:05.000 the candidate. And it really goes back to this 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.699 divide and conquer strategy that's being used 00:39:07.699 --> 00:39:12.079 against societies. reject this false dichotomy 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:14.760 that you can either choose A or B. There's never 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.500 anything in the middle ground. Even though I 00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:18.820 think, regardless of your political affiliation, 00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:20.940 I really don't like to get in politics at all. 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:24.400 I think politics is like the WWE, these guys 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:26.539 get in the wrestling ring, they beat each other 00:39:26.539 --> 00:39:28.179 up and act like they hate each other. And when 00:39:28.179 --> 00:39:30.519 they come out, they go out and drink and party 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:31.900 and hang out in their best friends. It's just 00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:34.260 what our politics is. But they put you under 00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:36.840 this false dichotomy. So it makes you more tribal. 00:39:37.139 --> 00:39:39.539 A lot of us, unfortunately, a lot of us are pretty 00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:42.260 isolated. We hold up into our homes. We might 00:39:42.260 --> 00:39:44.619 go out to our jobs and talk to people there, 00:39:44.739 --> 00:39:47.440 but you go by 30, 40, 50 years ago, people interacted 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.119 in the neighborhoods. They played us, kids played 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.320 outside. You talk to your neighbors. Now people 00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:54.940 are more isolated and that false economy kind 00:39:54.940 --> 00:39:58.480 of creates a tribalistic nature. So whereas they 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.360 may not feel like they have anything in common 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.559 with their neighbor or some of their friends 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:05.039 or their coworkers, they feel like they can relate 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.630 to the, yeah, I'm pro Trump. Yeah, I'm pro. Biden 00:40:07.630 --> 00:40:10.769 or Harris, and they cling to that ideology to 00:40:10.769 --> 00:40:13.449 fill that void in their psyche. And it's just 00:40:13.449 --> 00:40:15.530 basic human psychology, man. Like you create 00:40:15.530 --> 00:40:18.070 the fear and then that fear, you create the emotion. 00:40:18.289 --> 00:40:20.090 Then you try to create the belonging and then 00:40:20.090 --> 00:40:22.110 you just repeat it over and over until you get 00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:24.630 this person essentially brainwashed into thanking 00:40:24.630 --> 00:40:26.750 and believing the things you want them to believe. 00:40:26.829 --> 00:40:29.170 And this is what these bots do. It's like you 00:40:29.170 --> 00:40:31.090 said, you saw this stupid monkey show come up 00:40:31.090 --> 00:40:32.909 over and over. That's repetition. It created 00:40:32.909 --> 00:40:34.670 an emotion. You felt happy. You thought it was 00:40:34.670 --> 00:40:36.389 funny. And next thing you know, you're just being 00:40:36.489 --> 00:40:39.309 Spam, spam, and spam. And that's a very, very 00:40:39.309 --> 00:40:41.610 light example of this. But you can't look through 00:40:41.610 --> 00:40:44.030 social media anymore without seeing fist fights 00:40:44.030 --> 00:40:47.000 and I hate it when I'm scrolling and I see the 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.099 Ukraine -Russian war and these poor dudes getting 00:40:49.099 --> 00:40:51.179 blown up by drones or getting killed. And people 00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:53.079 are like, yeah, they deserve it. No, those guys 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:54.679 fighting that war don't deserve any of that, 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:56.500 man. You think they want to go fight in that 00:40:56.500 --> 00:40:58.440 war? These are just essentially innocent people 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.019 being murdered because two sides can't figure 00:41:01.019 --> 00:41:03.519 out something stupid like land or whatever. And 00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:05.380 I know it's a lot more complicated. I know I'm 00:41:05.380 --> 00:41:07.599 simplifying it, but for us to root for someone 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.099 to get their freaking faces blown off in the 00:41:10.099 --> 00:41:12.519 middle of a field when they're really not the 00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.900 problem, man. Like these poor guys. It's a singular 00:41:14.900 --> 00:41:17.239 man that's the problem. There are singular men 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.579 that are the problem. Most people are persuaded 00:41:19.579 --> 00:41:22.420 by two things in life, love or hate. And that's 00:41:22.420 --> 00:41:24.059 what you're going to be very passionate about. 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.260 If we talk about Christ, he says, I spit lukewarm 00:41:26.260 --> 00:41:28.159 Christians out of my mouth. I want you to have 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:31.659 passion for this. And I worry when bots really 00:41:31.659 --> 00:41:34.800 become that baseline. Years before generative 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.880 AI really took over the headline, engineers inside 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:41.219 of YouTube were already grappling with this chilling 00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:43.829 possibility. They called it the... version. As 00:41:43.829 --> 00:41:47.489 reported by journalist Max Reed, some YouTube 00:41:47.489 --> 00:41:49.869 employees feared that bot traffic might one day 00:41:49.869 --> 00:41:53.309 become so dominant that the platform's own systems 00:41:53.309 --> 00:41:56.570 would begin to treat bots as normal. As real 00:41:56.570 --> 00:41:59.530 humans, instead of anomalies, employees feared 00:41:59.530 --> 00:42:02.510 YouTube systems would begin to regard bot traffic 00:42:02.510 --> 00:42:05.190 as real. This I don't think was paranoia. It 00:42:05.190 --> 00:42:07.630 was just math of what they were seeing. If bots 00:42:07.630 --> 00:42:10.570 are the majority of what the system sees, algorithms 00:42:10.570 --> 00:42:13.329 trained to detect normal engagement eventually 00:42:13.329 --> 00:42:16.530 normalized the inauthentic. Images in the ecosystem 00:42:16.530 --> 00:42:20.530 where views, comments, and watch times are mostly 00:42:20.530 --> 00:42:22.989 synthetic and the algorithm starts to optimize 00:42:22.989 --> 00:42:25.110 for that. It's not that the platforms would choose 00:42:25.110 --> 00:42:27.889 to serve bots. It would just evolve to please 00:42:27.889 --> 00:42:30.329 what it thinks is its audience. The result is 00:42:30.329 --> 00:42:32.389 the internet's optimized for automation rather 00:42:32.389 --> 00:42:35.630 than people. The inversion was meant as a warning 00:42:35.630 --> 00:42:37.889 and it might've almost been prophecy because 00:42:37.889 --> 00:42:40.190 I think that's what we're seeing today is that 00:42:40.190 --> 00:42:42.920 kind of bots are serving a bot. And you don't 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.820 know what's reality when you look at something 00:42:45.820 --> 00:42:48.900 in AI, whether it's generating written content 00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:50.980 or visual content. It's getting better every 00:42:50.980 --> 00:42:52.900 day, man. And I fear what it's going to be like 00:42:52.900 --> 00:42:55.260 in five years. You're just not going to be able 00:42:55.260 --> 00:42:57.719 to tell and kind of skip towards the end of the 00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.780 show of what I say is, man, you got to put down 00:42:59.780 --> 00:43:01.800 your phone and just start experiencing life again. 00:43:01.860 --> 00:43:04.260 Go back to maybe even a little bit before we 00:43:04.260 --> 00:43:06.420 were kids, where you were playing outside, engaging 00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:08.739 in your communities. Cause at least then it's 00:43:08.739 --> 00:43:11.400 authentic. I don't think there's anything. about 00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.960 online of whether people chase after the goodness 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:18.179 or the evil that's out there is authentic in 00:43:18.179 --> 00:43:20.940 any way, shape, form or fashion. And half the 00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:23.380 time you don't even know if it's somebody pretending 00:43:23.380 --> 00:43:26.460 to be somebody else or perhaps just a made up 00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:29.300 machine. But I think it's all scary and all quite 00:43:29.300 --> 00:43:31.980 evil. And like you said earlier, it's just feeding 00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:34.099 on your dopamine. Like how do we make you click? 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.460 How do we make you engage just a little bit more? 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.780 And it almost turns into a drug. Like dopamine 00:43:38.780 --> 00:43:41.599 is a huge drug. sense of people chase after it, 00:43:41.739 --> 00:43:43.639 whether it's they're jumping off buildings or 00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.639 doing heroin or whatever the case may be, but 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:47.619 people chase after it. And that's really what 00:43:47.619 --> 00:43:49.800 they engage with. Hell, Amazon built a business 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.440 off. It is like, how quickly can we make you 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.059 click purchase, taking advantage of you in opportune 00:43:54.059 --> 00:43:56.039 times? I don't know, man. It's a scary world. 00:43:56.219 --> 00:43:57.820 And I just wish people would put down the damn 00:43:57.820 --> 00:44:00.800 phones and listen to normal people talk and do 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:02.880 real life. Yeah, man. I don't think a lot of, 00:44:03.019 --> 00:44:05.320 I know I don't engage with any posts. I don't 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.320 write a comment. I might, I'd like a podcast. 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.559 I might. five star, go ahead and five star us 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.320 while you're at it guys. Like I'll look at content 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:13.840 and even the content I think is good. I don't 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:15.460 sit there and write a comment and I don't think 00:44:15.460 --> 00:44:17.880 most people do. And I think a lot of the comments 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.139 are actually from bots. And then sometimes it's 00:44:20.139 --> 00:44:21.519 entertaining to look at the comment threads, 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:23.800 especially on Yahoo news, because I think a lot 00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.320 of those articles are AI generated and people 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:28.860 arguing about. the article or whatever the topic 00:44:28.860 --> 00:44:30.800 is. And then every once in a while, you can tell 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.000 someone, a human, it triggers an actual human. 00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:35.519 The next thing you know, there's probably a 99 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.239 % chance that this human is arguing with the 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.780 bot. And like you said, I think that human connection 00:44:40.780 --> 00:44:44.199 is very few and far between in these comment 00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:46.739 sections on these forums. So more often than 00:44:46.739 --> 00:44:48.099 not, you're probably just arguing with the bot 00:44:48.099 --> 00:44:49.900 who's just trying to trigger you. And then triggering 00:44:49.900 --> 00:44:52.039 you, it creates more content and blows up the 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.019 post and then belabors the point that they're 00:44:54.019 --> 00:44:56.239 trying to make. But I kind of want to give a 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:58.139 couple of quotes. from the people who actually 00:44:58.139 --> 00:45:01.280 control this. Same Altman in May of 2025, and 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.480 I'm quoting here, in three to five years, most 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.440 of what you read online will be synthetic. We 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.099 are not ready for this. Elon Musk said Twitter 00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:11.119 before 2020 was 80 % bots. He claimed to remove 00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:14.840 3 billion accounts and he says it himself, Twitter 00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:19.360 still feels dead. The guy who owns Reddit, Alexis 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:21.780 Oh honey, I don't even know how to say his last 00:45:21.780 --> 00:45:24.460 name, but Alexis, he says Reddit is 6 % bots 00:45:24.460 --> 00:45:27.119 and 30 % content. The other 10 % is just, like 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.099 I said, arguing with bots. And this is the thing 00:45:30.099 --> 00:45:32.079 that sticks out in my head. Cause I noticed this 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:35.320 a few years ago. So the Google VP, I didn't state 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.960 his name, but it was an internal memo leaked 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:41.340 in 20 of October of 2025 said 41 % of the top 00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:43.980 10 results are now AI generated. We cannot remove 00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:46.599 them faster than they appear. So five, 10 years 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:48.639 ago. When I would type something and like when 00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:50.800 I search for very specific things, because I 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.699 find conspiracy very interesting. I find my, 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:56.219 I find religion. Very interesting. And you can 00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:59.179 find all kinds of great content just by typing 00:45:59.179 --> 00:46:02.000 in specific words. Like I'm looking for, I don't 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:03.659 know, we can just go back to our last episode. 00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:05.860 Tell me about the history of Nimrod. And you 00:46:05.860 --> 00:46:08.699 could find very unique sources. And some of the 00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:10.800 websites look like they're created by humans. 00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:13.119 They weren't all pretty, but they had great information. 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:16.019 Now, when you type something in, you get very 00:46:16.019 --> 00:46:18.519 sanitized results that come up. They're very 00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:21.920 secular if it's a religion type topic. And when 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.610 it's conspiracy, it seems to pull everything 00:46:24.610 --> 00:46:27.929 up debunking it so all the good information is 00:46:27.929 --> 00:46:31.449 buried thousands and thousands of layers deep 00:46:31.449 --> 00:46:33.170 and you can't find them anymore there are so 00:46:33.170 --> 00:46:34.969 many good websites I had back in the day then 00:46:34.969 --> 00:46:37.590 now I can't even find and I assume they're probably 00:46:37.590 --> 00:46:40.590 dead because Whoever created them, whoever spent 00:46:40.590 --> 00:46:42.829 the time compiling this information said, no 00:46:42.829 --> 00:46:44.530 one's looking at it. So why am I going to waste 00:46:44.530 --> 00:46:47.170 my time? And it's because the people who program 00:46:47.170 --> 00:46:50.710 the AI who give it its logic is embedding a message 00:46:50.710 --> 00:46:53.369 in there and it's taking your ability to find 00:46:53.369 --> 00:46:55.469 the good content away and either giving you. 00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:58.480 something that's secular, maybe even Antichrist, 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.380 and something that is debunking conspiracies 00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:02.940 because they don't want you to know the truth. 00:47:03.139 --> 00:47:06.079 It goes back to that old saying, if you are a 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.119 sheep and you follow along with the common popular 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:11.280 narrative now, you probably will never know what 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:13.039 difference, but that's not the way we're called 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.239 to live our lives. We're not called to be sheep 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.940 and follow along with the secular world. We're 00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:20.980 called to challenge it and to follow a more specific 00:47:20.980 --> 00:47:23.320 narrative. Like you said, and I hate to tell 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:24.920 you folks, if you're listening to this podcast, 00:47:24.909 --> 00:47:27.070 you probably into conspiracy theories and the 00:47:27.070 --> 00:47:29.110 algorithm out there wants to deprioritize you. 00:47:29.230 --> 00:47:31.530 In more fact, they want to demonetize you. So 00:47:31.530 --> 00:47:33.909 people like us today, when we're talking about 00:47:33.909 --> 00:47:36.329 conspiracies, they want to suppress this information. 00:47:36.429 --> 00:47:38.289 They don't want you to hear this data. It's not 00:47:38.289 --> 00:47:40.630 along with the mainstream narrative. We're not 00:47:40.630 --> 00:47:44.010 serving up LGBTQ on a platter. We're not following 00:47:44.010 --> 00:47:46.510 along with all those mainstream things. And because 00:47:46.510 --> 00:47:49.250 of that, they want to call us bad guys and suppress 00:47:49.250 --> 00:47:51.670 this information. It reminds me of the current 00:47:51.670 --> 00:47:54.150 company that I work with that shall remain nameless. 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:57.980 at this juncture in time, but I want to Sam Altman's 00:47:57.980 --> 00:48:00.340 executives at his company. And I said, I know 00:48:00.340 --> 00:48:02.980 there is a way to watermark the information that 00:48:02.980 --> 00:48:04.940 you're putting out there. Meaning that when you 00:48:04.940 --> 00:48:07.260 write something, there's a way for me to be able 00:48:07.260 --> 00:48:10.900 to determine through a algorithmic function that, 00:48:10.900 --> 00:48:13.480 you know, the alum wrote this material so I could 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:15.460 identify it. And he says, yes, absolutely. We 00:48:15.460 --> 00:48:17.920 actually have it built. Like we have this way 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.420 built that says if we wrote this content, we 00:48:20.420 --> 00:48:22.420 would be able to tell that we wrote this content, 00:48:22.460 --> 00:48:24.960 but we've decided to not enforce it. We're not 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:26.519 going to do it. We're not going to help people. 00:48:26.820 --> 00:48:28.780 We want it to just blend in with the narrative. 00:48:28.900 --> 00:48:31.699 So we're not going to help you make a determination 00:48:31.699 --> 00:48:34.639 if a human wrote this or if our machine wrote 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:36.780 this, because it's not a priority. So they have 00:48:36.780 --> 00:48:40.159 the capability to watermark this material, but 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.420 they're refusing to do so even in like high stakes 00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:44.420 environments where it matters. If I'm trying 00:48:44.420 --> 00:48:46.659 to hire somebody that's a good writer and I want 00:48:46.659 --> 00:48:48.079 to make sure that they wrote it and not some 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.019 machine. They won't help you with that. There's 00:48:50.019 --> 00:48:52.900 certain other LLMs out there that have that ability 00:48:52.900 --> 00:48:55.039 and will give you that function to make those 00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:57.679 determinations, but the biggest ones out there 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.789 will not. And if we can kind of. trace this source, 00:49:02.010 --> 00:49:04.389 right? To food or art or aircraft parts. And 00:49:04.389 --> 00:49:07.090 I always ask myself, why can't we trace this 00:49:07.090 --> 00:49:09.889 information? And I think the conversation around 00:49:09.889 --> 00:49:11.829 Providence, knowing where our piece of content 00:49:11.829 --> 00:49:14.250 comes from is heating up. Like I'm not the only 00:49:14.250 --> 00:49:17.949 one asking these questions. And I think new standards 00:49:17.949 --> 00:49:21.010 for digital watermarking and cryptographic signing 00:49:21.010 --> 00:49:24.860 and proof of human attestations are emerging, 00:49:24.980 --> 00:49:27.119 like more companies are thinking about this to 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:29.139 be able to watermark it, especially as they get 00:49:29.139 --> 00:49:31.460 into the legal system. The government now is 00:49:31.460 --> 00:49:34.019 a big proponent and user of artificial intelligence, 00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:36.380 and they have actually a mandate to improve their 00:49:36.380 --> 00:49:39.519 business processes through Doge to embrace this 00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.019 philosophy. And as it works through the government 00:49:42.019 --> 00:49:43.980 and starts working through the legal systems, 00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:46.780 companies can kind of get in trouble for what's 00:49:46.780 --> 00:49:49.380 going out there. Even if Jay is interacting with 00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:51.280 it, putting it on some nefarious website, if 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.679 LLM, if somebody's company wrote it. It could 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:56.860 be held liable for damages if it gets put out 00:49:56.860 --> 00:49:58.940 there. I deal simple. And I think what's most 00:49:58.940 --> 00:50:01.760 important is make every image, article, and video 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.619 verifiable at the metadata level. I don't have 00:50:04.619 --> 00:50:07.139 to say that this AI service created this video 00:50:07.139 --> 00:50:09.579 for me, but I should have a way to investigate 00:50:09.579 --> 00:50:12.579 and find it. So if I have a question, a video 00:50:12.579 --> 00:50:15.579 came out and said, vote for Biden for office, 00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:17.619 I should be able to at least look and say, okay, 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:19.960 AI created this and not Jay down the street on 00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.599 his computer. And now whether it's the Adobe 00:50:22.570 --> 00:50:25.809 content authentication initiative or the open 00:50:25.809 --> 00:50:28.630 protocols that tag media with human authorship. 00:50:28.889 --> 00:50:31.030 Ultimately, the goal is the same. Restore the 00:50:31.030 --> 00:50:34.289 trust in our polluted information and ecosystem. 00:50:34.630 --> 00:50:37.630 I think these tools won't fix the web overnight, 00:50:37.650 --> 00:50:40.269 but I think they create the accountability piece 00:50:40.269 --> 00:50:43.030 that we're missing today, really in a world where 00:50:43.030 --> 00:50:46.190 AI can mimic almost anyone. People are going 00:50:46.190 --> 00:50:48.250 out there saying, I want to patent my voice and 00:50:48.250 --> 00:50:50.429 my image and my likeness. We shouldn't have to 00:50:50.429 --> 00:50:53.150 do that. Those are unique to our character and 00:50:53.150 --> 00:50:56.010 human as individual as we are, but we're in a 00:50:56.010 --> 00:50:58.869 state where it's not quite illegal yet. I want 00:50:58.869 --> 00:51:00.789 to just pretend to be Jay for a couple of minutes 00:51:00.789 --> 00:51:02.929 and try to get this job or whatever the case 00:51:02.929 --> 00:51:05.289 may be. That law is not completely written today. 00:51:05.449 --> 00:51:08.389 So I think there's a possibility we could hold 00:51:08.389 --> 00:51:10.429 folks accountable for this, but I don't know, 00:51:10.510 --> 00:51:12.429 man. I feel like always the big money wins. Yeah. 00:51:12.429 --> 00:51:15.230 So I'm a big stats guy, so. Forgive me if I'm 00:51:15.230 --> 00:51:17.590 boring you with these statistics, but we're going 00:51:17.590 --> 00:51:19.849 to look at a particular platform, several of 00:51:19.849 --> 00:51:21.690 them, and I'll give you the human percentage 00:51:21.690 --> 00:51:23.809 and the bot AI percentage. So something that 00:51:23.809 --> 00:51:26.530 we all use every day, Google search, 35 % human, 00:51:26.730 --> 00:51:31.150 60 % bot AI. Twitter, 36 to 48 % human, 52 to 00:51:31.150 --> 00:51:37.050 64 % bot AI. Reddit, 42 % human, 58 % AI. YouTube 00:51:37.050 --> 00:51:41.309 comments, 28 % human, 72 % AI. Instagram Explorer, 00:51:41.670 --> 00:51:45.369 33 % human, 67 % AI. Discord, and this is where 00:51:45.369 --> 00:51:48.110 you start getting into having more humans than 00:51:48.110 --> 00:51:52.309 bots, but Discord, 55 % human, 45 % AI. And private 00:51:52.309 --> 00:51:55.889 WhatsApp groups, 96 % human, 4 % AI, and then 00:51:55.889 --> 00:51:58.230 you have some of these... niche forums, like 00:51:58.230 --> 00:52:02.690 Something Awful, old PHBB, 91 % human, 9 % AI. 00:52:02.929 --> 00:52:06.130 So as you can see, most of these platforms that 00:52:06.130 --> 00:52:08.510 most people interact with on a daily basis are 00:52:08.510 --> 00:52:10.869 heavily bought and AI infiltrated, projecting 00:52:10.869 --> 00:52:13.949 out the future from where we stand now. So by 00:52:13.949 --> 00:52:17.070 2026, which is only a month away or so, 60 to 00:52:17.070 --> 00:52:19.409 75 % of traffic is going to be bought traffic. 00:52:20.130 --> 00:52:23.250 2027, they're projecting that the first platform 00:52:23.250 --> 00:52:25.949 reaches 90 % bot accounts. It's probably going 00:52:25.949 --> 00:52:27.789 to be Axe or something new that gets created. 00:52:28.110 --> 00:52:30.329 2028 is going to be bot versus bot internet. 00:52:30.789 --> 00:52:32.429 And at that point, humans are going to leave 00:52:32.429 --> 00:52:34.829 for gated communities, which... I mean, gated 00:52:34.829 --> 00:52:38.530 virtual communities, AKA other software platforms, 00:52:38.969 --> 00:52:42.170 other group texts, group chat, form type pages. 00:52:42.670 --> 00:52:46.349 By 2030, they're projecting that 99 % of all 00:52:46.349 --> 00:52:47.730 the internet and everything on it is going to 00:52:47.730 --> 00:52:50.110 be synthetic. So at that point. I don't even 00:52:50.110 --> 00:52:52.489 know how you can go on it and expect to get any 00:52:52.489 --> 00:52:56.090 sort of true creativity that comes from a human 00:52:56.090 --> 00:52:58.369 mind and not a bot mind. It's just wild, bro. 00:52:58.630 --> 00:53:01.489 It's just the internet is dead and it's, or maybe 00:53:01.489 --> 00:53:03.829 it's not dead, it's gasping on its final breath 00:53:03.829 --> 00:53:06.409 and it's about to have a cardiac arrest here 00:53:06.409 --> 00:53:09.010 in the next few years. I personally think it's 00:53:09.010 --> 00:53:11.349 dead as hell, but there's enough like trueness 00:53:11.349 --> 00:53:14.170 mixed in there that still makes it feel alive. 00:53:14.429 --> 00:53:16.030 Let's listen to these stats here real quick. 00:53:16.170 --> 00:53:17.610 Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, but is there 00:53:17.610 --> 00:53:21.630 official documents. So Axe claims to take down 00:53:21.630 --> 00:53:24.929 15 million spam accounts a month, but there's 00:53:24.929 --> 00:53:28.329 80 to 120 million bot accounts, spam accounts 00:53:28.329 --> 00:53:31.219 created. the same month. So that's a net of 65 00:53:31.219 --> 00:53:34.019 to 105 million. TikTok, like I said before, 19 00:53:34.019 --> 00:53:37.440 to 20 million taken down a month, 150 to 200 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.579 million created a month. So there you go. There's 00:53:39.579 --> 00:53:42.500 a net of 130 to 180 million. Instagram, 12 million 00:53:42.500 --> 00:53:44.840 a month. New bot accounts a month, 90 to 110 00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:46.639 million. So you can't keep up with the pace. 00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:48.239 It doesn't matter how many you take down and 00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.780 identify. And I'm sure when you're taking down 00:53:50.780 --> 00:53:54.269 accounts at that level, you're probably... destroying 00:53:54.269 --> 00:53:56.570 some actual human's account in the process too. 00:53:56.710 --> 00:53:58.369 So this is going to be more of a reason for people 00:53:58.369 --> 00:54:00.389 not to want to go mess around on these social 00:54:00.389 --> 00:54:02.210 media apps. Yeah. One of the things you're talking 00:54:02.210 --> 00:54:04.590 about is true authentication. So you said the 00:54:04.590 --> 00:54:08.110 numbers drop in Discord and WhatsApp groups and 00:54:08.110 --> 00:54:10.929 private kind of Facebook communities. Those numbers 00:54:10.929 --> 00:54:13.369 drop because, oh, I know Jay is a person, so 00:54:13.369 --> 00:54:16.010 it's more authentic. And bots haven't had the 00:54:16.010 --> 00:54:18.710 opportunity to infiltrate it. One of the things 00:54:18.710 --> 00:54:21.550 that kind of crossed my mind is, could this be 00:54:21.550 --> 00:54:24.170 a blessing in disguise? I mean, when we were 00:54:24.170 --> 00:54:26.630 kids and the web wasn't really a big thing, all 00:54:26.630 --> 00:54:29.190 the kids played outside. Could it become such 00:54:29.190 --> 00:54:32.130 trash and so much garbage out there that machines 00:54:32.130 --> 00:54:34.530 are just curating all the content that you see 00:54:34.530 --> 00:54:36.289 and writing all the content that you see that 00:54:36.289 --> 00:54:38.849 people go back to that? Yeah, I mean, I hope 00:54:38.849 --> 00:54:41.289 so. I don't see how that happens now. You can't 00:54:41.289 --> 00:54:43.010 go to work without using the internet anymore. 00:54:43.170 --> 00:54:45.650 People are becoming so reliant on the AI, essentially 00:54:45.650 --> 00:54:48.010 do their jobs for them that a lot of people can't 00:54:48.010 --> 00:54:50.510 think. psychosis is a real thing. People talk 00:54:50.510 --> 00:54:53.090 to it, to how to off themselves. They have conversations 00:54:53.090 --> 00:54:55.650 with it. They're filling void. Some people claim 00:54:55.650 --> 00:54:59.429 to have AI girlfriends and boyfriends. It's triggering 00:54:59.429 --> 00:55:01.630 some sort of mental illness that we as humans 00:55:01.630 --> 00:55:04.429 are not capable of handling. And I think it's 00:55:04.429 --> 00:55:06.469 part of the loneliness epidemic, the destruction 00:55:06.469 --> 00:55:08.869 of the family, rampant divorce. People are just 00:55:08.869 --> 00:55:11.329 isolated more and more than ever. I hope to God, 00:55:11.389 --> 00:55:13.650 I pray to God that the internet crashes and that 00:55:13.650 --> 00:55:15.929 people decide to start going outside, start meeting 00:55:15.929 --> 00:55:18.150 people organically, start becoming involved. 00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:20.599 involved in church groups or hobbies or something. 00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:22.860 But I just, I think we're so inserted into the 00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:24.679 matrix anymore, especially with what we most 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:26.480 of us do for work. A lot of us don't work with 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:28.920 our hands on the backside of that coin. I think 00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:31.579 AI is going to be so prevalent, especially in 00:55:31.579 --> 00:55:33.360 the next five years, a lot of people are not 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.079 going to have work anymore. Like we were talking 00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.920 about these AI level five bot agents. Customer 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.559 service has been just destroyed by AI. Coders, 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.119 like you said, have been destroyed by AI. I don't 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.460 necessarily believe the unemployment numbers. 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.699 Right now we're sitting at 4 .1%. It's roughly 00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:50.219 seven to 8 million Americans, but that does not 00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:52.039 take into account people who've stopped looking 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.239 for work. If you look at that number, it's 21 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:55.760 million people. So you have those two together, 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:57.880 it's 28 to 29 million people who don't have jobs. 00:55:58.420 --> 00:56:01.300 And a big chunk of that number is administrative 00:56:01.300 --> 00:56:03.340 type work. Now bots code themselves, so they 00:56:03.340 --> 00:56:05.179 don't need coders because bots understand how 00:56:05.179 --> 00:56:07.440 to do it. They do it, they create and they proliferate. 00:56:07.780 --> 00:56:09.380 And the next big wave is going to be delivery 00:56:09.380 --> 00:56:11.739 drivers. I love truckers. In my previous life, 00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:13.320 I worked with a ton of them, the best people 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.860 in the world. And when you have, I don't know, 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:17.739 one to 2 million truck drivers, if not more, 00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:20.539 we're just, delivery service is huge. And the 00:56:20.539 --> 00:56:23.840 ultimate goal. is to get them phased out. They 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.659 want to have these autonomous delivery drivers, 00:56:26.900 --> 00:56:28.639 essentially the truck just driving the freight, 00:56:28.860 --> 00:56:31.360 AI forklifts who go into the warehouses, load 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:32.980 the pallets onto the truck. What are you going 00:56:32.980 --> 00:56:35.519 to do when you have unemployment rate of 55, 00:56:35.619 --> 00:56:37.960 60 %? One of two things happen. You start a war 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:41.739 or you go to the universal basic income, or there's 00:56:41.739 --> 00:56:44.780 a huge revolt. We're coming up to a precipice 00:56:44.780 --> 00:56:46.940 that's going to be very dangerous and very tricky 00:56:46.940 --> 00:56:49.500 to navigate. And that's what makes me worry because 00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:52.059 with AI taking over all the jobs, especially 00:56:52.059 --> 00:56:54.500 as technology grows exponentially, what are people 00:56:54.500 --> 00:56:56.219 going to do? That's the question that scares 00:56:56.219 --> 00:56:59.280 me. Forget about all this psychological manipulation, 00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.239 all this boosting people up on the algorithm, 00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:05.000 taking them down. The real important part is 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:08.000 in five to 10 years when most of us can't find 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.800 a job because AI is taking it all over. And there's 00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:13.000 350 million people in this country, man. That's 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.000 the scary part. That's when it gets scary. And 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.099 even right now, kids coming out of college, if 00:57:17.099 --> 00:57:18.840 you want to break that out, they're sitting at 00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:21.019 anywhere from six, five to 8 % unemployment rate. 00:57:21.139 --> 00:57:23.199 That's almost double what people that are not 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:26.059 of college age. So you have this big group of 00:57:26.059 --> 00:57:27.980 people that are hundreds of thousands of dollars 00:57:27.980 --> 00:57:30.320 in debt because they took on student loans, because 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.389 they were taught that the only way to advance 00:57:32.389 --> 00:57:34.429 in this world is to get a college degree and 00:57:34.429 --> 00:57:36.530 they're coming out with nothing to do. You get 00:57:36.530 --> 00:57:37.949 a college degree, you get to work at Starbucks. 00:57:38.250 --> 00:57:40.829 Great. Now you're 150 ,000 a day, you get to 00:57:40.829 --> 00:57:42.670 serve coffee to people. What do you do with a 00:57:42.670 --> 00:57:45.090 population that's of military age? They can't 00:57:45.090 --> 00:57:46.750 find work. There's not a lot of good outcomes 00:57:46.750 --> 00:57:48.710 at the end of that road, man. And that's what 00:57:48.710 --> 00:57:50.809 scares me. And like I said, fast forward, what 00:57:50.809 --> 00:57:52.469 happens when you have a hundred million people 00:57:52.469 --> 00:57:53.989 that don't have work, you just want to let them 00:57:53.989 --> 00:57:56.110 be homeless and not pay their bills. Something 00:57:56.110 --> 00:57:57.869 has to happen. I don't really know what the answers 00:57:57.869 --> 00:57:59.949 are, man, but it's getting scary because it's 00:57:59.949 --> 00:58:01.809 coming quick. It's coming after the middle and 00:58:01.809 --> 00:58:04.349 lower classes. Like, so it would be on her level. 00:58:04.849 --> 00:58:06.909 Yeah. And I think your kids have a little bit 00:58:06.909 --> 00:58:08.550 of blessing because they're a bit older than 00:58:08.550 --> 00:58:10.849 mine. Hopefully they can get ahead of the curve. 00:58:11.210 --> 00:58:13.690 But my kids being so young, I really worry about 00:58:13.690 --> 00:58:16.550 what. world they grow up in. And I think is a 00:58:16.550 --> 00:58:18.909 world is that it's going to be less about education 00:58:18.909 --> 00:58:21.030 and more about working with your hands. Like 00:58:21.030 --> 00:58:23.570 what you can go and out and repairing an AC might 00:58:23.570 --> 00:58:26.710 be the job that makes you $150 ,000 a year versus 00:58:26.710 --> 00:58:29.110 being a lawyer or something that can be automated 00:58:29.110 --> 00:58:32.610 out. It's really scary. And I don't know. And 00:58:32.610 --> 00:58:34.150 I think when the internet was invented, you're 00:58:34.150 --> 00:58:35.389 like, yeah, that's pretty cool. It may change 00:58:35.389 --> 00:58:37.190 the way I get to work from home now, which is 00:58:37.190 --> 00:58:39.789 awesome, but it's still this authentic experience. 00:58:39.829 --> 00:58:41.650 But I'm leading the forefront of trying to figure 00:58:41.650 --> 00:58:44.179 out how I can make AI do it. Right. Which I hate, 00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.360 but if you don't do it, you lose your job. But 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.360 I'm almost lost for words. And I talk about this 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.500 with my wife all the time. It's what kind of 00:58:51.500 --> 00:58:53.219 world are they going to grow up in? Because you 00:58:53.219 --> 00:58:55.300 want your kids to grow up and go to college and 00:58:55.300 --> 00:58:57.300 do those things. But even talk about you get 00:58:57.300 --> 00:58:59.219 a college education, you work at Starbucks. Hell, 00:58:59.579 --> 00:59:02.260 five years ago I was living in Asia and robots 00:59:02.260 --> 00:59:05.739 were serving me coffee. So I went to a restaurant 00:59:05.739 --> 00:59:07.820 the other day with my wife and we went to the 00:59:07.820 --> 00:59:10.280 University of Maryland football game and robots 00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:12.820 brought our food out to us at the table. These 00:59:12.820 --> 00:59:15.579 robots are coming for jobs. You're seeing Elon 00:59:15.579 --> 00:59:17.820 Musk create, I don't forget what he calls his 00:59:17.820 --> 00:59:20.000 droid that he's creating. That's going to be 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.119 the, that makes him the big trillionaire in the 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.039 future, but they're going to start automating 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:26.239 everything. And truck drivers, I'm surprised 00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:28.679 they still have to because my car can drive itself. 00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:30.940 They can take me anywhere I want to go. And all 00:59:30.940 --> 00:59:33.739 I have to do is supervise, which means look at 00:59:33.739 --> 00:59:36.780 it, why it does its thing. So that future is 00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:39.159 close, closer than most people think, especially 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:41.539 as you get into the 40 plus range, people say. 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:45.380 That'll be 20 years away. Technology moves very 00:59:45.380 --> 00:59:48.320 fast. And I think beneath the noise, the everyday 00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:51.300 kind of social media chatter really lies in the 00:59:51.300 --> 00:59:53.159 kind of the coordinated undercurrent. And what 00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:55.840 we're seeing as the troll farms and the organized 00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.960 PsyOps running really at an industrial scale. 00:59:59.179 --> 01:00:02.079 These are not like random trolls in basements. 01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:05.199 They're structured teams, often with governments 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:08.820 or corporate backing running thousands of synchronized 01:00:08.820 --> 01:00:11.809 accounts really designed to manipulate perception 01:00:11.809 --> 01:00:15.929 from Russia's Internet Research Agency to domestic 01:00:15.929 --> 01:00:18.769 influence contractors in the US and Asia. These 01:00:18.769 --> 01:00:21.769 tactics are similar, amplified division, target 01:00:21.769 --> 01:00:25.590 emotion and seed false consensus. And these counts 01:00:25.590 --> 01:00:29.110 really flood the comment sections, hijack trending 01:00:29.110 --> 01:00:32.090 hashtags and post in this like perfect rhythm 01:00:32.090 --> 01:00:34.889 to push narratives that appear grassroots at 01:00:34.889 --> 01:00:37.550 the times, but they're really not. And I think 01:00:37.550 --> 01:00:41.170 what makes this effective is scale and being 01:00:41.170 --> 01:00:43.369 subtle about it. You don't need millions of accounts 01:00:43.369 --> 01:00:45.429 to sway opinion, just a few thousand working 01:00:45.429 --> 01:00:47.869 with precision and they can make an ideal look 01:00:47.869 --> 01:00:50.469 like a movement. And algorithms read into that 01:00:50.469 --> 01:00:52.690 and give it engagement. And you start seeing 01:00:52.690 --> 01:00:55.090 all these like content. So not only are we losing 01:00:55.090 --> 01:00:57.670 our jobs, but we're persuading opinion, right? 01:00:57.889 --> 01:01:00.469 At a mass scale. You remember back in the day, 01:01:00.530 --> 01:01:02.269 somebody would be like, I want to vote for Trump. 01:01:02.510 --> 01:01:03.769 And they'd be like, oh, you're a lunatic. Don't 01:01:03.769 --> 01:01:05.329 vote for Trump or whatever your like personal 01:01:05.329 --> 01:01:07.489 politics were. But you hear from one or two people. 01:01:07.789 --> 01:01:09.380 Now, if I really didn't want you to vote. for 01:01:09.380 --> 01:01:11.980 Trump, I can make a thousand AI bots tell you 01:01:11.980 --> 01:01:14.000 in a thousand different formats of not to vote 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:16.659 for him. And perhaps if you are a sheep, your 01:01:16.659 --> 01:01:18.260 opinion is going to be persuaded. And you're 01:01:18.260 --> 01:01:19.699 like, I'm not going to cast my vote for him. 01:01:19.739 --> 01:01:21.760 I don't want to do that. And I think it's scary 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:24.420 because it's hurting everybody together to make 01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:26.840 the one person mind. I don't know who's controlling 01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:29.179 it, but one person's mind perhaps hallucinating. 01:01:29.530 --> 01:01:32.170 I don't know, but it's crazy. Out of work people 01:01:32.170 --> 01:01:34.630 with falling into one of the criteria is of love 01:01:34.630 --> 01:01:36.909 or hate being emboldened by it. You got a lot 01:01:36.909 --> 01:01:40.150 of time to drive division and start a war or 01:01:40.150 --> 01:01:43.329 whatever, if that's the case. Like the FBI has 01:01:43.329 --> 01:01:46.510 admitted to such in the 1960s of putting almost 01:01:46.510 --> 01:01:48.889 fake bots out there to persuade your opinion, 01:01:49.010 --> 01:01:51.610 to drive division, to influence your actions. 01:01:51.869 --> 01:01:54.849 So we've seen it before, but we've never seen 01:01:54.849 --> 01:01:58.969 it on the scale that exists today and how in 01:01:58.829 --> 01:02:01.090 five years, what's that scale going to look like? 01:02:01.090 --> 01:02:03.510 Because the speed of innovation is moving very 01:02:03.510 --> 01:02:06.170 quickly because now instead of having a one coder 01:02:06.170 --> 01:02:08.610 write something crazy, I could have a hundred 01:02:08.610 --> 01:02:11.309 thousand coders work 24 hours a day instead of 01:02:11.309 --> 01:02:13.570 eight, write the same code and make you believe 01:02:13.570 --> 01:02:16.630 it. So that scale, that economy of our economy 01:02:16.630 --> 01:02:19.869 is really exaggerated now. And that's the speed 01:02:19.869 --> 01:02:22.849 of advancement is just really out of control 01:02:22.849 --> 01:02:24.750 and what the possibilities are for the future. 01:02:25.070 --> 01:02:26.670 Yeah, man. You're talking about, we're talking 01:02:26.670 --> 01:02:28.559 about unemployment now. I don't want to. get 01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:30.300 down too deep down the rabbit hole. But think 01:02:30.300 --> 01:02:31.960 about this, a hundred million people don't have 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:34.719 a job. So you decide you want to become an HVAC 01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.179 tech. People can't pay for HVAC. So the problem 01:02:37.179 --> 01:02:39.219 compounds itself. People don't have money. They 01:02:39.219 --> 01:02:41.380 can't pay for services. Yeah. We're short mechanics, 01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:43.539 diesel mechanics, car mechanics, any sort of 01:02:43.539 --> 01:02:45.380 mechanic you can think of. If people can't buy 01:02:45.380 --> 01:02:47.500 a car or they can't pay for the car to get fixed, 01:02:47.780 --> 01:02:50.320 what's the job for? The economy is very intimately 01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:53.000 interwoven within itself. So people can't spend 01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.239 money, even if you have a job or a skill that 01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:57.929 is in demand, the demand's just not there to 01:02:57.929 --> 01:02:59.369 fill it because there's nobody that has money 01:02:59.369 --> 01:03:01.489 to pay for those services. So you just see how 01:03:01.489 --> 01:03:03.929 it turns into a vicious cycle. But no, I do agree 01:03:03.929 --> 01:03:06.690 with you. I think people, especially younger 01:03:06.690 --> 01:03:08.909 people that may be listening, become a welder, 01:03:09.110 --> 01:03:11.369 become an electrician, become a plumber, become 01:03:11.369 --> 01:03:13.989 an HVAC tech. Even now those people make a ton 01:03:13.989 --> 01:03:16.150 of money. compared to some of these white -collar 01:03:16.150 --> 01:03:18.829 workers. But this is my conspiracy part of my 01:03:18.829 --> 01:03:21.590 mind coming out. You know how big the education 01:03:21.590 --> 01:03:25.309 industrial complex is. It's not by accident that 01:03:25.309 --> 01:03:27.570 college is super expensive and the government 01:03:27.570 --> 01:03:30.010 gives out grants and the banks need it to pad 01:03:30.010 --> 01:03:31.869 their books with loaning money out to people. 01:03:32.329 --> 01:03:34.550 I guarantee you, in the next five years, these 01:03:34.550 --> 01:03:36.769 colleges are going to offer degrees in HVAC. 01:03:36.889 --> 01:03:39.150 They're going to offer degrees in electronics. 01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:43.239 to become an electrician. So that big education 01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:45.559 complex is just going to find a way to bring 01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:47.659 these kids in, to get them in debt, to get these 01:03:47.659 --> 01:03:50.019 skills. And you won't be able to walk the path 01:03:50.019 --> 01:03:51.920 of an electrician without having a college degree. 01:03:52.099 --> 01:03:53.480 Again, nobody's going to hire you unless you 01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:55.139 have this stupid piece of paper that you paid 01:03:55.139 --> 01:03:58.219 $150 ,000 for. It's just a vicious cycle, bro. 01:03:58.409 --> 01:04:01.289 vicious, like it's just to keep people on that 01:04:01.289 --> 01:04:03.550 hook, to keep their head barely above water, 01:04:03.630 --> 01:04:06.230 to keep them fighting and just to survive. Yeah. 01:04:06.269 --> 01:04:08.849 It's almost like a version of indentured servitude. 01:04:08.949 --> 01:04:12.309 How can we get a piece of the game? My wife is 01:04:12.309 --> 01:04:15.650 a lawyer and she makes really good money. But 01:04:15.650 --> 01:04:17.510 at the end of the day, no one will have her fancy 01:04:17.510 --> 01:04:19.769 law degree. We make about the same because she 01:04:19.769 --> 01:04:22.050 has several hundred thousand dollars in debt 01:04:22.050 --> 01:04:24.449 and we pay a mortgage payment every month for 01:04:24.449 --> 01:04:27.630 her college loans. And we will pay that for the 01:04:27.630 --> 01:04:29.920 next 20 years, it's going to be forever. And 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.500 it's this big thing that hangs over us. And yeah, 01:04:32.539 --> 01:04:34.420 people are always going to find a way to monetize 01:04:34.420 --> 01:04:37.039 it, monetize your success, monetize your intelligence 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:39.739 and keep hanging on to your coat strings. And 01:04:39.739 --> 01:04:41.739 I think the best case scenario is you learn to 01:04:41.739 --> 01:04:45.139 work with your hands, learn to fix robots, HVACs, 01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:47.400 whatever the case may be. And perhaps people 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:49.139 aren't employed, but they'll give you a little 01:04:49.139 --> 01:04:51.260 bit of their universal income. And perhaps you 01:04:51.260 --> 01:04:53.420 could build your own little business and make 01:04:53.420 --> 01:04:55.219 better than what the government handouts are 01:04:55.219 --> 01:04:57.159 going to be. I think that's the best case scenario. 01:04:56.940 --> 01:04:59.920 for our future unless everything collapses in 01:04:59.920 --> 01:05:02.179 on itself. I do think the AI bubble will collapse. 01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:04.280 Just like the dot -com bubble, that collapsed. 01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:05.840 I think it's a little bit different because AI 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.039 actually has infrastructure. It has the server 01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:10.340 farms. It has all the infrastructure around to 01:05:10.340 --> 01:05:12.659 keep it cool with the water and the facilities. 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:15.559 There is real infrastructure there, but we should 01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:17.880 do an episode, I guess, short on the economy 01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:20.519 because I do think the AI bubble will collapse 01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:23.099 here in the next couple of years. But I don't 01:05:23.099 --> 01:05:24.840 think it will be as catastrophic as that dot 01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:26.940 com bubble. I mean, dot com bubble is just a 01:05:26.940 --> 01:05:28.340 bunch of internet pages that you could create 01:05:28.340 --> 01:05:30.519 for back then a few hundred bucks. And everybody 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:32.519 thought it was the next. Yeah, it's like crypto 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:34.360 now. There's millions of cryptos out there. There's 01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:35.739 only going to be one or two that are actually 01:05:35.739 --> 01:05:38.500 successful, but to get back to some of the scary 01:05:38.500 --> 01:05:40.739 stuff on the kind of the dark side of this dead 01:05:40.739 --> 01:05:43.099 internet theory. So some of the proposed solutions, 01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:45.260 which make me nervous. So there's some pretty 01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:48.340 innocuous ones, like making people pay a fee 01:05:48.340 --> 01:05:50.360 to surf the internet or whatever that would suck, 01:05:50.420 --> 01:05:52.639 but you're not going to have these. scammers 01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:56.199 and AI farms wanting to pay thousands of dollars 01:05:56.199 --> 01:05:58.679 just to let millions of bots to push content. 01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:00.300 So that's one of them. But the other one, the 01:06:00.300 --> 01:06:03.139 scary one is proof of humanity. So this is going 01:06:03.139 --> 01:06:05.820 to use biometric tools like scan your face, scan 01:06:05.820 --> 01:06:08.239 your iris, maybe a thumb print. So now they're 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:09.500 going to know everything that you're doing. Not 01:06:09.500 --> 01:06:10.920 that I'm convinced they know everything you're 01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:12.960 doing now, but this will be the rollout, the 01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.599 solution. Like we need your face, we need your 01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.219 fingerprint, we need your biometrics and That's 01:06:18.219 --> 01:06:21.219 one of the kind of scary solutions. Two is they're 01:06:21.219 --> 01:06:24.800 going to tokenize you on the blockchain. So unless 01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:26.719 you're on the blockchain, your personality, your 01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.179 persona, your credentials, if you're not in the 01:06:29.179 --> 01:06:30.860 blockchain, you're not going to be able to use 01:06:30.860 --> 01:06:33.340 any sort of internet service again. So I think 01:06:33.340 --> 01:06:35.559 this starts to point to the market beast. Can't 01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:37.380 buy, sell or trade most. I don't know how many 01:06:37.380 --> 01:06:39.639 packages have I had delivered today or this week 01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:41.639 or this month from Amazon. I buy a lot of stuff 01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:42.960 from there. I am part of the problem because 01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.199 I don't go to my local store. I enjoy the convenience 01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:47.739 of Amazon, but that has been a big part. of destroying, 01:06:47.940 --> 01:06:50.179 especially our local economies by going to these 01:06:50.179 --> 01:06:52.000 mega corporations to buy. But once you get on 01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:54.039 the blockchain, they're going to know everything 01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:55.440 you're going to do and you're going to have to 01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:57.920 have that to get on the internet to surf, to 01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:00.300 research, do whatever. That's when I think you 01:07:00.300 --> 01:07:02.059 start getting into this beast system. When you 01:07:02.059 --> 01:07:04.239 talked about the watermarks, I think that could 01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:07.639 be a good intermediary. They're going to always 01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:09.659 point you in the end of the road. It's going 01:07:09.659 --> 01:07:12.639 to be the most intrusive system possible because 01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:14.119 they want to know where you're at, where you're 01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.139 going. They want all your information and they 01:07:16.139 --> 01:07:18.369 want to control you. And I guarantee it's going 01:07:18.369 --> 01:07:20.409 to be biometrics and you're going to be tokenized 01:07:20.409 --> 01:07:21.829 on the blockchain. And then that's when it gets 01:07:21.829 --> 01:07:23.929 really dangerous. Yeah. I think it's inevitably 01:07:23.929 --> 01:07:26.449 that it's going to be forced. If you want to 01:07:26.449 --> 01:07:29.989 drive a car or make purchases or whatever, we're 01:07:29.989 --> 01:07:32.230 seeing a lot of that movement now in digital 01:07:32.230 --> 01:07:35.250 IDs. Everybody's going to a digital ID. There's 01:07:35.250 --> 01:07:37.670 many states that already have digital IDs that 01:07:37.670 --> 01:07:40.849 are in play, which requires guess what? Biometric 01:07:40.849 --> 01:07:43.369 data. They have a picture of your face. They 01:07:43.369 --> 01:07:45.610 have your fingerprints. They have all kinds of 01:07:45.550 --> 01:07:48.130 stuff that's already there today. So I think 01:07:48.130 --> 01:07:50.309 we're ramping up to that. And it's almost, if 01:07:50.309 --> 01:07:52.849 you want to get out on the wide web, you almost 01:07:52.849 --> 01:07:55.570 have to have a proof of humanity in some way, 01:07:55.750 --> 01:08:00.250 shape or form. So it's scary. Like to me, it's 01:08:00.250 --> 01:08:02.610 not worth for me to start falling line to give 01:08:02.610 --> 01:08:05.849 you my DNA or whatever makes my true identity. 01:08:05.969 --> 01:08:08.010 I don't know, man. It's going to get real crazy. 01:08:08.010 --> 01:08:09.449 And I think it's going to get real crazy real 01:08:09.449 --> 01:08:11.090 quick. Yeah, man. I think we're at the tipping 01:08:11.090 --> 01:08:12.750 point. I think we're at the peak of that mountain. 01:08:12.809 --> 01:08:14.710 We're going to start sliding downhill pretty. 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:16.859 freaking quick and it's going to just keep getting 01:08:16.859 --> 01:08:20.779 faster and faster. We go back to where we started 01:08:20.779 --> 01:08:23.279 this adventure with podcasting when we were talking 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:25.579 about Project Blue Beam. And I don't believe 01:08:25.579 --> 01:08:27.359 everything you hear. I don't believe everything 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:29.560 that's out there. Let me tell you what, about 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:33.460 85 % of it is bullshit. So you got to have that 01:08:33.460 --> 01:08:35.979 discernment to drive in there. To say, is this 01:08:35.979 --> 01:08:38.199 true or not? With everything that you see. I've 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:40.779 seen so many fake videos of Donald Trump saying 01:08:40.779 --> 01:08:43.260 one thing or another, and about a tenth of them 01:08:43.260 --> 01:08:45.800 are true, like he actually said. And most people, 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:47.399 a lot of people, especially people that aren't 01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:49.720 like... real into technology just don't get it, 01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:52.020 especially the older generation that just weren't 01:08:52.020 --> 01:08:54.039 around this kind of stuff when it was being developed. 01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:55.779 They just don't understand it. And I wonder how 01:08:55.779 --> 01:08:58.060 much that persuades their opinion as well. Oh 01:08:58.060 --> 01:09:00.100 dude, it has to be huge. It's definitely huge. 01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:02.960 I think our age group, like in the thirties, 01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:05.819 the forties, we can see it and suss it out. I 01:09:05.819 --> 01:09:08.020 think if you're like, you're 55 plus, it starts 01:09:08.020 --> 01:09:09.880 to be kind of become a challenge because when 01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:11.420 we were kids, the beginning of the internet, 01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:13.800 it was more of a pain in the butt to get on the 01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:15.600 internet than it was worth the time. Right now, 01:09:15.699 --> 01:09:18.420 like my kids, you're kids, I think they have 01:09:18.420 --> 01:09:20.279 a much better eye for it because they grew up 01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:21.979 with it. They can see what's real or fake. I 01:09:21.979 --> 01:09:24.020 get a feeling just like the example I gave with 01:09:24.020 --> 01:09:25.600 the podcast, like something doesn't seem right, 01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:27.640 but I'm sure my kids could suss it out in half 01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:29.600 the time. If you're older, you might think, Oh, 01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:31.039 that's pretty cool. I haven't heard this before. 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:33.420 These guys and girls are, they speak clearly. 01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:36.960 They have good content. And I think eventually 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:39.100 they would get to that point, but they may be 01:09:39.100 --> 01:09:40.960 two or three episodes in before they figure out 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:43.000 it's Bob. I don't know, man. It's crazy. Something 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:45.199 has to be done. I just know the solution. I'm 01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:47.939 a big believer in. reaction solution. They cause 01:09:47.939 --> 01:09:49.819 the problem. They wait for your reaction and 01:09:49.819 --> 01:09:51.420 they already have the solution in place. They 01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:54.199 just need you to be outraged or be inconvenienced 01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:56.119 enough to demand some sort of action. And they're 01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:57.720 like, Oh, here it is in the pretty box with a 01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:00.479 bow. It's a trap. Yeah. I did a short on this 01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:03.220 not too long ago, but it was cloning. But one 01:10:03.220 --> 01:10:06.199 of the stories was that this older folks there 01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:08.460 were in their seventies, what they thought was 01:10:08.460 --> 01:10:10.779 their daughter called them and said she had been 01:10:10.779 --> 01:10:13.260 kidnapped. She was screaming and she was panicking 01:10:13.260 --> 01:10:15.119 and they believed it was her because it sounded 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.170 like like her, they weren't used to this voice 01:10:17.170 --> 01:10:19.470 cloning technology. And they ended up paying 01:10:19.470 --> 01:10:22.710 a $20 ,000 ransom to set her free. And all it 01:10:22.710 --> 01:10:25.250 was is somebody just scraped her voice online 01:10:25.250 --> 01:10:28.090 and sent them this panic call at 2 a .m. in the 01:10:28.090 --> 01:10:29.810 middle of the night. And they believed it was 01:10:29.810 --> 01:10:31.630 her daughter and he was going to be murdered. 01:10:31.649 --> 01:10:33.449 And I can sympathize with that a little bit. 01:10:33.630 --> 01:10:35.550 Could you imagine your kid calling you and pleading 01:10:35.550 --> 01:10:38.050 you for mercy on your cell phone number? There's 01:10:38.050 --> 01:10:40.449 some part of you that's, oh shit. And one of 01:10:40.449 --> 01:10:42.010 the reasons why she believed is because she picked 01:10:42.010 --> 01:10:44.729 up her phone and called her daughter. And her 01:10:44.729 --> 01:10:46.609 daughter didn't answer. And she just surmised 01:10:46.609 --> 01:10:48.689 because my daughter didn't answer her cell phone, 01:10:48.829 --> 01:10:50.550 even though it just happens to be that she was 01:10:50.550 --> 01:10:52.350 like away on vacation. So she didn't pick it 01:10:52.350 --> 01:10:54.689 up. She didn't answer because she's been kidnapped. 01:10:54.729 --> 01:10:57.109 So I got to pay for this. And so you're seeing 01:10:57.109 --> 01:10:58.989 a lot. You can search online. There's thousands 01:10:58.989 --> 01:11:00.750 of stories where people are being calmed out 01:11:00.750 --> 01:11:02.850 of this by people cloning their voice or their 01:11:02.850 --> 01:11:05.550 likeness in videos and stuff. And every technology 01:11:05.550 --> 01:11:08.649 out there gets used for something bad. And we're 01:11:08.649 --> 01:11:11.270 seeing it now. A lot of this is almost organized 01:11:11.270 --> 01:11:13.869 crime. What we saw, what we still see with drugs. 01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:16.119 dealers and shipping, like anything that you 01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:18.260 can make money off of. Just like the cartel deals 01:11:18.260 --> 01:11:20.619 and avocados, anything that you can make money 01:11:20.619 --> 01:11:22.479 off of, they're going to take advantage of. And 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:25.020 it's really just accessible, man. And it's a 01:11:25.020 --> 01:11:28.300 scary place. Yeah, man. It's scary. I know probably 01:11:28.300 --> 01:11:30.380 90 % of the bot activity is just to take your 01:11:30.380 --> 01:11:33.180 money, market products to you. I heard one interesting 01:11:33.180 --> 01:11:35.520 fellow, his name escapes me again. I should be 01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.220 better at crediting people with their ideas. 01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:39.180 This is your idea. Let me know. I'll credit you 01:11:39.180 --> 01:11:41.779 in a different episode. But he claims that the 01:11:41.779 --> 01:11:43.960 internet already has an avatar. They know how 01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:45.699 we think, they know what our purchasing habits 01:11:45.699 --> 01:11:48.710 are. So they know David likes XYZ. They know 01:11:48.710 --> 01:11:51.850 Jay likes ABC. You know, I'm convinced, I'm convinced 01:11:51.850 --> 01:11:53.649 our phones listen to us. You ever have a conversation 01:11:53.649 --> 01:11:55.029 with your wife and you talk about something random. 01:11:55.149 --> 01:11:56.550 This microwave sucks. The next thing you know, 01:11:56.630 --> 01:11:58.649 there's ads on your phone or you're searching 01:11:58.649 --> 01:12:00.829 Google. Oh, there's a microwave for sale. Like 01:12:00.829 --> 01:12:03.189 how did, I have not even looked for microwaves 01:12:03.189 --> 01:12:05.909 on the internet, but he says that there's an 01:12:05.909 --> 01:12:08.329 avatar out you, a digital avatar. They know exactly 01:12:08.329 --> 01:12:10.170 how you think, where your beliefs are. They know 01:12:10.170 --> 01:12:12.489 how to manipulate you by the content they send 01:12:12.489 --> 01:12:14.229 your way. They know how to nudge you to maybe 01:12:14.229 --> 01:12:15.949 try to change your beliefs. I don't think. everybody 01:12:15.949 --> 01:12:17.670 can have their beliefs change. I think beliefs 01:12:17.670 --> 01:12:20.229 are the root of what we are, of our existence, 01:12:20.409 --> 01:12:22.750 of our persona. Some people can, the deeper they're 01:12:22.750 --> 01:12:24.149 rooted, the harder it's going to be to uproot. 01:12:24.270 --> 01:12:26.109 Some people can, man. Some people don't have, 01:12:26.210 --> 01:12:28.630 I think especially the younger you are, the more 01:12:28.630 --> 01:12:30.529 confused you probably are because of the way 01:12:30.529 --> 01:12:34.189 society is. And if you're not deeply rooted and 01:12:34.189 --> 01:12:36.189 we're rooted in Christ, you're going to be pretty 01:12:36.189 --> 01:12:38.569 malleable and you're going to be pretty easily 01:12:38.569 --> 01:12:41.449 persuaded to think the things that they want 01:12:41.449 --> 01:12:43.390 you to think. This is why this whole, again, 01:12:43.409 --> 01:12:45.829 I don't like to talk politics, I just know socialism 01:12:45.829 --> 01:12:47.949 and communism seems to be coming back. I just 01:12:47.949 --> 01:12:50.289 think if you read history, it never works. Regardless 01:12:50.289 --> 01:12:52.029 of what, and again, I'm not trying to be political 01:12:52.029 --> 01:12:54.149 here. I just, there's certain things that just 01:12:54.149 --> 01:12:56.710 don't work and it's idealistically, socialism 01:12:56.710 --> 01:12:59.470 and communism sound fantastic. We share everything, 01:12:59.710 --> 01:13:02.590 but at the same token, Everybody's selfish. Everybody 01:13:02.590 --> 01:13:04.630 wants what's good for them. Communism, socialism 01:13:04.630 --> 01:13:07.270 is just a way for the rich to control 99 % of 01:13:07.270 --> 01:13:09.449 everything else. And then the other 1 % can share, 01:13:09.689 --> 01:13:11.930 the other 99 % of the people can share that 1%. 01:13:11.930 --> 01:13:14.170 Like it doesn't work out. It just doesn't work. 01:13:14.210 --> 01:13:17.960 We're about to see in New York. Yeah. Government 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:21.000 funded grocery stores and everything else. Dude, 01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:22.539 I think they do it on purpose though, because 01:13:22.539 --> 01:13:24.399 New York City is a bunch of liberals. So then 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:25.779 you have a bunch of rich liberals who want to 01:13:25.779 --> 01:13:27.180 get out of there. So where do they go? They go 01:13:27.180 --> 01:13:28.899 to Florida. They go to red states. And then that 01:13:28.899 --> 01:13:31.579 state becomes blue because millions of people 01:13:31.579 --> 01:13:35.159 move out. A lot of the stuff is just a scam, 01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:38.619 just to create migration and influence the electoral 01:13:38.619 --> 01:13:41.100 college. You see a lot of that with Texas and 01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:43.920 Florida. Austin's super liberal now, and you're 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.779 talking about a very conservative, traditionally 01:13:45.779 --> 01:13:48.359 state from people migrating around. So yeah, 01:13:48.500 --> 01:13:51.100 it's a lot. There's a lot to take in with this 01:13:51.100 --> 01:13:53.640 episode. Even during COVID, man, like people 01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:55.739 left the big cities. Like where I live wasn't 01:13:55.739 --> 01:13:57.979 that, I mean, it was, I would consider it like 01:13:57.979 --> 01:14:00.810 small medium, but. Ever since COVID, you can't 01:14:00.810 --> 01:14:02.430 even drive around with a massive traffic jam. 01:14:02.569 --> 01:14:03.869 There's stuff going up everywhere. It's because 01:14:03.869 --> 01:14:06.390 people left Philadelphia, Baltimore, the big 01:14:06.390 --> 01:14:08.130 cities that get out of them during COVID. And 01:14:08.130 --> 01:14:10.909 now it's like the infrastructure where I live 01:14:10.909 --> 01:14:13.630 is not set up to handle the influx of tens of 01:14:13.630 --> 01:14:15.270 thousands of people that came over the past few 01:14:15.270 --> 01:14:17.489 years. Yeah, that's because the restrictions 01:14:17.489 --> 01:14:20.189 were so severe. Like in the Washington metropolitan 01:14:20.189 --> 01:14:22.569 area, you couldn't go anywhere. If you were going 01:14:22.569 --> 01:14:24.949 to go somewhere, you had to wear a mask, glove, 01:14:25.010 --> 01:14:27.430 and a protective bubble just to pick up a burger 01:14:27.430 --> 01:14:29.789 or something. people migrated out to where they 01:14:29.789 --> 01:14:32.229 could go outdoors and have fun. Many of those 01:14:32.229 --> 01:14:34.090 people stayed. Now, a lot of people returned 01:14:34.090 --> 01:14:36.569 eventually when the mandates were lifted, but 01:14:36.569 --> 01:14:39.329 many people stayed. My company, which was full 01:14:39.329 --> 01:14:42.710 -time in person prior to COVID went full -time 01:14:42.710 --> 01:14:45.250 remote and people are all over the United States 01:14:45.250 --> 01:14:47.350 now. And a lot of companies stayed that way. 01:14:47.810 --> 01:14:52.050 So, I don't know, man. What do you think about 01:14:52.050 --> 01:14:55.810 this? Do you think the... Internet is dead. No, 01:14:55.890 --> 01:14:57.989 I think the Internet's alive and well. I just 01:14:57.989 --> 01:15:00.390 think that the definition of dead in this case 01:15:00.390 --> 01:15:02.930 is that it's, we are the minority, humans are 01:15:02.930 --> 01:15:05.149 the minority on it. And I think it's just an 01:15:05.149 --> 01:15:07.409 inevitability that we will eventually become 01:15:07.409 --> 01:15:10.569 just little pawns within it. And we'll be lucky 01:15:10.569 --> 01:15:12.510 if we get any sort of good information, is this 01:15:12.510 --> 01:15:15.270 going to become a major point of commerce, the 01:15:15.270 --> 01:15:17.229 sell your crap that you don't need, the push 01:15:17.229 --> 01:15:20.359 porn that you shouldn't be looking at? push bad 01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:23.619 ideology, bad religion, as this becomes a brainwashing 01:15:23.619 --> 01:15:25.560 toll to the point where it becomes so unbearable 01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:28.720 that they're going to demand biometrics or tokenization 01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:30.600 of your personality in order to get on it. And 01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:32.420 then it will become something that it was before, 01:15:32.619 --> 01:15:35.399 but at the expense of you losing all your privacy 01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:39.840 and becoming completely, you'll lose all anonymity 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:42.359 in the process. Yeah, that's a good point. From 01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:46.600 my perspective, I do. I think the internet is 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:48.619 dead and I do think we are doomed. I don't mean 01:15:48.619 --> 01:15:52.100 to be doom and gloom guy here. I think the majority 01:15:52.100 --> 01:15:55.500 of stuff that you interact with today are bots 01:15:55.500 --> 01:15:59.739 or are people that are using some type of LLM 01:15:59.739 --> 01:16:02.539 to write their content. I don't think if you 01:16:02.539 --> 01:16:05.579 get online today, especially in a written format 01:16:05.579 --> 01:16:08.199 that you're escaping the machine. I think the 01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:10.920 best thing people can do is talk to their friends 01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:12.640 on their phone, people that they know they're 01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:15.680 real talk to their church members. talk to their 01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:18.279 football buddies, whatever the case may be, but 01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:21.380 set the social media content aside and stay away 01:16:21.380 --> 01:16:24.420 from it. I just think it leads to badness. And 01:16:24.420 --> 01:16:27.539 I think as a society, though, I don't think we're 01:16:27.539 --> 01:16:30.539 going to meet this task or challenge. As a society, 01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:33.260 we almost have an opportunity for a great reset, 01:16:33.539 --> 01:16:35.939 meaning that people could take this moment in 01:16:35.939 --> 01:16:38.479 time to say, yeah, I use the internet to work 01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:40.640 or to talk to friends who I know are real people. 01:16:41.069 --> 01:16:44.050 Let's set this garbage aside. Let's set these 01:16:44.050 --> 01:16:47.270 Facebook reels aside and let's set Reddit aside 01:16:47.270 --> 01:16:49.510 and let's set X aside. I don't need to engage 01:16:49.510 --> 01:16:52.109 with that. It doesn't increase my learning. And 01:16:52.109 --> 01:16:54.649 in fact, it's probably some government Psyop 01:16:54.649 --> 01:16:57.250 or some corporation trying to sell me crap that 01:16:57.250 --> 01:16:58.909 I don't need. And they're trying to persuade 01:16:58.909 --> 01:17:01.550 me to buy it and let's get back to life. I think 01:17:01.550 --> 01:17:04.390 this is our last, perhaps defining moment in 01:17:04.390 --> 01:17:06.750 history that we can either say we're going to 01:17:06.750 --> 01:17:09.489 put this shit aside and focus on real life, or 01:17:09.489 --> 01:17:11.869 we're going to lean heavily. into it and our 01:17:11.869 --> 01:17:14.989 humanity is going to be indexed in the bitstream 01:17:14.989 --> 01:17:17.949 and call it a day, man. It's over. I don't know. 01:17:18.090 --> 01:17:20.050 I think it's all shit out there personally. Dude, 01:17:20.090 --> 01:17:22.010 I don't think it's our generation that's going 01:17:22.010 --> 01:17:23.829 to have trouble stepping away from it. I think 01:17:23.829 --> 01:17:26.510 it's the generation, my kids' generation, which 01:17:26.510 --> 01:17:28.750 is your kids' generation, the generation behind 01:17:28.750 --> 01:17:30.909 us. Those are the ones that are going to have 01:17:30.909 --> 01:17:32.829 a problem stepping away from it. And the reason 01:17:32.829 --> 01:17:34.789 I say that, and these are just all anecdotal 01:17:34.789 --> 01:17:37.340 stories, but I like to work out. I work out a 01:17:37.340 --> 01:17:39.500 lot and I have a lot of 20 somethings come up 01:17:39.500 --> 01:17:41.600 to me and ask me for advice. So inevitably I 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:43.239 get to talking to them and I said, what do you 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:45.920 do? I was at some diner here and the kids, oh, 01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:47.819 you're big. I want to, what do you do? Tell me 01:17:47.819 --> 01:17:49.600 some stuff. And I said, yeah, that's cool. I 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:51.340 said, what do you, like, are you in school? No, 01:17:51.340 --> 01:17:53.640 I just work out and I work at this diner. I said, 01:17:53.739 --> 01:17:55.760 dude, okay, what are your goals? And I asked, 01:17:55.939 --> 01:17:57.859 dude, I've had this conversation more times than 01:17:57.859 --> 01:18:01.319 I can remember. And these kids are fit. Like 01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:03.359 they're good looking people. They're, you can 01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:05.100 tell they work out and these, oh, I just want 01:18:05.100 --> 01:18:08.359 to be an influencer. And I'm like, what? And 01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:10.520 I don't say that to them like that, of course. 01:18:10.619 --> 01:18:12.380 I'm just very like, okay, that's cool. I'm like, 01:18:12.380 --> 01:18:14.279 but you should develop some sort of skill. But 01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:17.020 these kids see these Jake Pauls, these Logan 01:18:17.020 --> 01:18:19.699 Pauls, these stupid younger people on Instagram 01:18:19.699 --> 01:18:22.420 or TikTok or whatever, Snapchat. And they want 01:18:22.420 --> 01:18:25.020 to be that. They don't want to have to work a 01:18:25.020 --> 01:18:27.380 job like you and I have. They put that grind 01:18:27.380 --> 01:18:29.699 in. They want to make some social media content, 01:18:29.859 --> 01:18:32.220 get millions of followers and make money and 01:18:32.220 --> 01:18:34.239 go live this fantasy life that doesn't exist 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:37.079 for 99 .99 % of people in this world. And that's 01:18:37.079 --> 01:18:38.899 what. A lot of these people are striving to be. 01:18:40.240 --> 01:18:42.859 Those are the ones that are sucked into it and 01:18:42.859 --> 01:18:45.180 they're going to have almost an impossible time 01:18:45.180 --> 01:18:47.340 getting away from it. The generation that comes 01:18:47.340 --> 01:18:50.180 after them, maybe they'll see the folly in that 01:18:50.180 --> 01:18:52.960 and maybe they'll be wiser, but this generation 01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:55.300 is, I think, in a bad spot, man. And it's going 01:18:55.300 --> 01:18:57.140 to be hard for them to step away and disconnect 01:18:57.140 --> 01:18:59.260 because they spend more time on that stupid black 01:18:59.260 --> 01:19:02.399 mirror than they do looking around outside or 01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:04.920 around them. Yeah. I think our generation is 01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:07.380 witness to what the history books are going to 01:19:07.380 --> 01:19:09.810 tell on the future. And it's going to be... up 01:19:09.810 --> 01:19:11.409 to us, guess what, they're going to blame us 01:19:11.409 --> 01:19:14.489 for it. So it's providing that guidance for the 01:19:14.489 --> 01:19:17.510 next generation to make the right choices and 01:19:17.510 --> 01:19:19.210 make the right decisions. What I tell a lot of 01:19:19.210 --> 01:19:22.529 my employees is right now, AI is the great equalizer 01:19:22.529 --> 01:19:25.569 to laziness. Back in the day, you would have 01:19:25.569 --> 01:19:28.270 a hard working man that would churn out 15 hours 01:19:28.270 --> 01:19:29.989 and put out incredible work and you knew it was 01:19:29.989 --> 01:19:32.409 authentic and he would do it. Now you have somebody 01:19:32.409 --> 01:19:34.789 really lazy, do that in two hours. Be able to 01:19:34.789 --> 01:19:37.069 write the memos, be able to write the emails, 01:19:37.210 --> 01:19:40.119 be able to engage with work. It's a great equalizer 01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:41.979 for laziness, but eventually it's going to take 01:19:41.979 --> 01:19:47.680 that next step. And then what I tell the lazy 01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:51.439 people that if you don't. make yourself a value 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:54.180 to this organization. If you don't up your credentials, 01:19:54.359 --> 01:19:57.260 the next step is not being an equalizer, it's 01:19:57.260 --> 01:19:59.520 replacement. You will no longer have a job and 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:01.340 you will find yourself in the unemployment line 01:20:01.340 --> 01:20:03.659 because it will replace you. It is only so long 01:20:03.659 --> 01:20:05.739 before I can't equalize what you're actually 01:20:05.739 --> 01:20:08.739 producing. So it's training that next generation 01:20:08.739 --> 01:20:12.779 to be ready, but I think... Now, today is really 01:20:12.779 --> 01:20:15.380 that defining point is, are we going to put down 01:20:15.380 --> 01:20:17.779 our phones and get outside and engage with the 01:20:17.779 --> 01:20:20.199 real world? I think we should. Do I think it's 01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:22.699 going to happen? Absolutely not. Or are we lazy? 01:20:22.899 --> 01:20:25.720 But it's an opportunity to push society in the 01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:28.319 right direction. But I fear for that generation. 01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:30.560 I think your kids are a little bit more fortunate 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:32.939 because they got 10, 15 years on my kids and 01:20:32.939 --> 01:20:35.359 they have an opportunity to be in the right place 01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:37.739 at the right time when all this really nasty, 01:20:37.779 --> 01:20:41.890 negative stuff comes along. kids being very young, 01:20:42.109 --> 01:20:44.189 I worry about the world that they grow up in. 01:20:44.409 --> 01:20:46.670 I mean, I think the great AI replacements just 01:20:46.670 --> 01:20:47.970 around the corner. I don't think any of those 01:20:47.970 --> 01:20:50.430 are safe, if I'm being honest, but I don't know, 01:20:50.529 --> 01:20:52.569 man. I just think you got to root yourself in 01:20:52.569 --> 01:20:55.390 Christ. You have to, we always say, man, get 01:20:55.390 --> 01:20:57.250 that wisdom and discernment because a lot of 01:20:57.250 --> 01:20:59.449 the stuff on the internet, you have to really 01:20:59.449 --> 01:21:01.569 dig deep on that discernment part and you really 01:21:01.569 --> 01:21:03.829 have to access that wisdom part. I don't know. 01:21:04.060 --> 01:21:07.439 outside of the Lord, outside of Jesus. Man, you 01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:09.760 have to really let those roots really take hold 01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:12.159 deep down in order to survive what's probably 01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:14.479 coming up here in the next few years. Yeah. What 01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:15.920 do you want to close with tonight? Man, same 01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:17.760 thing I do every night. I know that last week, 01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:20.500 I think I got cut off, but Jesus loves you. We 01:21:20.500 --> 01:21:23.180 love you. I love you, brother. And yeah. 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What I would say is prepare 01:21:44.420 --> 01:21:46.500 the road before you, whether it's for your kids 01:21:46.500 --> 01:21:49.159 or for yourself, if you're of the younger generation, 01:21:49.539 --> 01:21:52.729 but you gotta be prepared for what's coming. 01:21:52.949 --> 01:21:55.310 One individual doesn't have the capacity to change. 01:21:55.369 --> 01:21:57.189 And so if you say, I want to set down my phone 01:21:57.189 --> 01:22:00.310 and go outside and live what used to be a normal 01:22:00.310 --> 01:22:02.390 life, that will be good for you, but it's not 01:22:02.390 --> 01:22:04.470 going to change the course of history. So you 01:22:04.470 --> 01:22:07.890 have to be prepared and get ready because most 01:22:07.890 --> 01:22:09.890 people says, I just, I want to be middle -class. 01:22:09.930 --> 01:22:11.609 A lot of people back in our generations, I just 01:22:11.609 --> 01:22:13.390 want to have a decent job. I want to have a family. 01:22:13.489 --> 01:22:15.810 I want to have a decent single -family home and 01:22:15.810 --> 01:22:18.390 call that good enough. That was average competition. 01:22:18.430 --> 01:22:20.729 And the average person was able to achieve that. 01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:23.039 that through a normal education and taking the 01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:25.119 routine steps and follow along with the sheep 01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:27.399 and taking the normal pathways. But I think in 01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:29.340 the future, in order for you to be successful, 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:31.960 you got to think a little bit differently and 01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:34.000 engage with work a little bit differently and 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:36.159 build up your credentials to make it more valuable 01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:39.920 because that pull is shrinking. More people can, 01:22:40.020 --> 01:22:41.520 you don't need as many people to drive trucks. 01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:44.000 You don't need as many people to be social media 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:46.439 marketers or whatever the case may be. So you 01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:48.979 have to add value to your credentials. You may 01:22:48.979 --> 01:22:52.119 not be able to stop it. Be prepared and be ready 01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:54.399 and make sure your family's taken care of for 01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:56.399 that road ahead. Whether it's just, if you're 01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:59.020 an older generation, I know we trend well with 01:22:59.020 --> 01:23:02.260 people 35 to 44. That's sometimes just thinking 01:23:02.260 --> 01:23:04.800 about, I think about this a lot, is that I want 01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:07.000 to keep my house and pay it off so that I know 01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:08.840 that my kid's in the future. you're living off 01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:10.659 universal income, have a good place to live, 01:23:10.739 --> 01:23:12.180 right? Because who knows what there might be 01:23:12.180 --> 01:23:14.479 the old Soviet blocks that we see popping up 01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:16.899 in the future where people are forced to live 01:23:16.899 --> 01:23:19.140 for universal income. We don't know what it's 01:23:19.140 --> 01:23:21.560 going to look like, but you got to prepare for 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:24.119 those things and think strategically about it. 01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:26.300 If you want to take care of yourself and your 01:23:26.300 --> 01:23:28.579 loved ones in the coming future. But like Jay 01:23:28.579 --> 01:23:30.920 said, man, we love you. 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But we want to bring in some 01:24:25.010 --> 01:24:27.229 of these true experts that can provide a new 01:24:27.229 --> 01:24:29.470 lens so you just don't hear Jay and David talk 01:24:29.470 --> 01:24:32.649 about topics and find this unique lens and a 01:24:32.649 --> 01:24:34.810 unique voice within this space. So if you got 01:24:34.810 --> 01:24:37.659 an interesting story, don't have to be the super 01:24:37.659 --> 01:24:39.840 credentialed guy that like the ones who are bringing 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:41.680 on. If you just have an interesting take, man, 01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:43.319 we would love to talk with you and meet with 01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:45.060 you and figure out how we can get you on air, 01:24:45.060 --> 01:24:47.340 whether it's through a voice memo and we just 01:24:47.340 --> 01:24:49.239 air you recording. If you just want to say a 01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:52.060 specific thing or meet with us and hang out and 01:24:52.060 --> 01:24:53.880 sip whiskey and talk for an hour and a half. 01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:56.720 I want a good cryptic story. I want a good cryptid 01:24:56.720 --> 01:24:58.979 real story. That's what I want. Yeah. Cryptid 01:24:58.979 --> 01:25:01.279 stories. That'd be an interesting one. Or ghost. 01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:03.640 Ghosts are always fun as well. All right. Perhaps 01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:05.000 you want to talk about the editor right there. 01:25:04.939 --> 01:25:07.319 We'll do that again, man. It's a live topic and 01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:09.260 it's always evolving and changing. So if you 01:25:09.260 --> 01:25:11.039 want to come on and talk about AI and machine 01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:13.680 automation, I'm here for that too. But we thank 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.239 you again for tuning in and we hope you have 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:18.720 a blessed night. Until then, we are Zero Signal. 01:25:19.060 --> 01:25:36.729 We're out. You've been listening to Zero Signal. 01:25:37.350 --> 01:25:37.949 We're out.