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ZERO SIGNAL. A show about what they won't say
and what you're probably already thinking. No
fluff, no filters, no bullshit. Let's crack it
open. So tonight, I think we have a pretty interesting
topic at hand. I know I went down some pretty
deep rabbit holes with this one, but have you
ever noticed how the biggest mysteries on earth
don't really seem to happen in the open? They
tend to happen underground or under the ocean.
I feel like everything happens underground. Are
you talking about secret bunkers, hidden bases,
Area 51 kind of stuff? Yeah, pretty close, man.
I'm talking about CERN. It's a 16 .6 mile ring
that is a 12 foot wide tunnel buried through
330 feet under the ground. That's roughly the
length of a football field and it's under the
French -Swiss border. Thousands of international
scientists from all over the world go there to
study and research. Pretty cool fact that I discovered
is that the magnets that kind of power the particles
is colder than outer space. It's roughly only
1 .9 degrees above absolute zero, which is mind
-boggling to think about. And if you ask the
internet, it's just not a place that they're
studying physics. It's a place that they're messing
with the paranormal, the metaph - and some even
say the occult. Yeah, I've done a lot of good
research on CERN. There's a lot of interesting
things going on there. And really depending on
who you ask, CERN is either unlocking the secrets
of the universe or perhaps unlocking something
that we were really never supposed to see. Like
portals, timeline shifts. Some even claim that
we're rebuilding the tower of Babel. Also interesting
fact, people swear that when CERN was powered
up in 2012, something shifted like the reality
kind of glitch. Like we went through an alternate
dimension. I love the mandolin effect crowd.
It's like experiencing something for the first
time, yet you feel like you swear you've seen
it multiple different times. So like that logo
used to look way different, even though it was
just introduced today. And you're like, well,
I've seen this before, but you know, that crowd's
pretty interesting. And then the theory is pretty
interesting as well. Yeah, there's definitely
some pretty interesting things that I personally
remember that when you look back at the internet
archives, it's not what you thought it was. But
here's the thing, even the scientists admit that
they're smashing particles together to recreate
the instant after the Big Bang. So what if something
happened in that moment, like a microscopic explosion
that really opened doorways to a parallel dimension,
or I think the scarier option, like a doorway
to a place that have some not nice spirits or
fallen angels in it. That's always a good question
is a doorway to what? To heaven, to perhaps to
hell, or maybe even another universe. And that's
the question we'll explore tonight. And tonight,
we're going to walk through it. We're going to
go down these deep rabbit holes. And I think
a good place to start was with the history of
CERN. And if you want to take that away, go ahead,
my friend. Yeah, I love to. CERN, or the European
Organization for Nuclear Research, is the world's
largest particle physics laboratory, which straddles
the French -Swiss border near Geneva, Switzerland.
Its mission is pretty simple, but audacious.
Build the most powerful instruments human can
make to study the tiniest particles of nature
and the forces that kind of govern them. The
centerpiece of this experiment is the Large Hydron
Collider, or the LHC, which is a 27 -kilometer
circular tunnel where two proton beams are whipped
to near -light speed and steered into these head
-on collisions. Those microscopic smash -ups
briefly recreate early universe conditions, so
researchers can read what reality is really made
of. In July of 2022, the LHC began their run
three, raising the collision energy to a world
record of 13 .6 Tera electron volts, essentially
making the collider a brighter flashlight into
the subatomic world. Think of the LHC like a
racetrack, underground and the detectors, Atlas,
CMS, Atlas, LHC, like stadium -sized cameras
that surround collision points and take millions
of pictures per second. The machine is kept colder
than deep space. Magnets operate at 1 .2 Ks using
this super fluid helium and feeds on an accelerator
chain that preps the beam. It's an industrial
scale orchestra of cryogenics, magnets, vacuum
systems, and timing electronics that are all
synchronized into the billionth of a second.
CERN is also a global computing enterprise. Every
second of data can fill libraries. So analysis
rides on the worldwide LHC computing grid, a
federation of more than 170 data centers across
42 countries, offering roughly 1 .4 million cores
and about 1 .5 extra bytes of distributed storage.
That global backbone lets thousands of scientists
to log in from their home institutions to sift
collisions for new particles rare to or subtle
deviations from the standard model. And historically,
CERN pioneered how we share information. In 1989,
Tim Burns Lee proposed the World Wide Web there.
The first website went live from CERN soon after
that event occurred. When we look at the quick
history milestones, so CERN was born in 1954
out of the post -war ideal, science for peace.
12 European states signed on to rebuild basic
science together, pulling budgets and... their
super brain powers into this neutral hub near
Geneva, Switzerland. From the start, the lab
cultural blended open collaboration with these
engineering moonshots, really setting the tone
for the all mega projects that followed. The
earlier accelerator era moved fast. PS established
CERN as a machine building powerhouse, or really
a super proton. In the late 1970s enabled proton
anti -proton collisions, which produced the WNZs
and Bosons, or the Carriers of the Weak Force,
announced in 1983 and later recognized with the
1984 Nobel Peace Prize. Those discoveries proved
CERN could not only build record machines, but
also deliver physical physics. From 1989 to 2000,
the LEP, or the Large Electron Position Clider,
wrapped around the same 27 -kilometer tunnel
we use today. And maybe I'll stop there, because
I'm nerding out right about all this science
coming from it. Amazon. So what's your take?
Yeah, man, I'm interested in these particle colliders.
And another one that I find interesting, we'll
have to do a show and it's called Oak Ridge.
So there's one out in Tennessee. Again, a lot
of these particle colliders were developed roughly
a decade after World War II. And the main purpose
was just to study nuclear physics. A lot of them
were used for post -war industrialization. Obviously,
the arms race was a big deal. We were trying
to outpace, particularly the Soviets. And so
we did all this research to explore Einstein's
theory. relativity. All in all, there's 30 ,000
plus particle accelerators. Most of them are
used for medical or industrial use. I'm sure
most of us here have unknowingly been inside
of a particle accelerator for some of our medical
testing. And I know industry uses them, too,
to evolve things like shrink wrap. There's some
pretty interesting uses for these machines. But
there's also a subcategory of roughly about 1
,200. They're called cyclotrons. They are mainly
used for two things, isotope production, and
then some medical uses, mainly research. This
is where it gets fun. So there's another 70 plus.
large cyclotrons that are used for research and
light sources. So these are specifically used
for science and other type of technological applications.
So these all kind of fall underneath the particle
accelerator class. There's actually only seven
operational particle colliders and CERN is one
of them. And I wanted to know if there's more
being built, but China is building one that's
going to end up being a hundred kilometers and
it's supposed to be in use sometime in the next
two to four years. That one's almost four times
the size. size of the one out in Switzerland.
And the future circular collider is essentially
an upgrade to CERN. So eventually that 27 kilometer
loop is that they're going to expand it up to
91 kilometers. And Japan has one in the works
and the United States also has one in the works,
but that one's still pretty far off. Yeah, it's
some scary stuff. And I know CERN is actually
increasing their scope and they got some things
planned for the future that maybe we'll get into
a little bit later. You also mentioned something
about... Oak Ridge that took me back a few years.
One of my very good friends at Amazon at the
time, he actually came from Oak Ridge. He was
part of the law enforcement arm of some of the
nuclear stuff in the federal government and got
some inside peaks there. A bit awesome person
taking our show. Unfortunately, just a couple
of years ago, he passed away from brain cancer.
So I don't know if it was something related to
being around all this stuff, but it can be super
scary. And we're talking about smashing particles
together and studying the outcomes. A lot of
that time reminds me of atom bomb. Are we going
to blow up if they do something wrong? But inevitably
across the forums, TikTok and YouTube and Reddit
and all these alternate reality communities,
CERN becomes really the anchor point for these
claim clusters. Some of the very high level stuff
that I've heard about was dimensional portals
and wormholes, occult symbolism and hidden rituals,
reality glitches, like we talked about with the
Mandela effect, time travel and reverse causation.
black holes being created and weather anomalies
and just all these global effects and numerology
and like these hidden codes that are in the CERN
logo itself. And probably we'll go down a lot
of these rabbit holes and talk a little bit about
them. But I just think there's so much science
and this has been going on for so long. And it's
under a major city in Geneva where they have
these huge particle colliders that a lot of people,
even though they hear a lot about it, they probably
don't think a lot about it. What's going on underneath
their feet. And it's very advanced stuff. It's
coming up with some really good stuff. Though
the worldwide web was later developed, core concept
came out of here. It was later developed by the
federal government and specifically like the
cloud and data storage later evolved from it.
But it's coming up with some really fascinating
stuff and they're studying things, what they
call the God part of the foundations of humanity.
And it makes me go back what you're talking about
at the very beginning of this episode was perhaps
are we building another. tower of Babel. And
the big takeaway of that is God's going to break
it down and cause confusion. And a lot of the
time with the misinformation that's coming out
on the internet is confusion of the people. So
perhaps it's also leading into this another fall
of Babel. Yeah. You mentioned it earlier. The
one thing that kind of, I didn't know, I was
a little bit ignorant on CERN as to the actual
organization and the early life of this particle
collider. For whatever reason, I thought it was
something relatively new in the past decade and
a half, but like, You said they were founded
in 19, I think you said 54. But the thing that
kind of blew my mind is I didn't realize that
they're the one that created the World Wide Web.
And I thought that that was pretty interesting.
Yeah. So inventor Sir Tim Berners -Lee, a British
scientist working at CERN, he helped create the
World Wide Web. And his ultimate goal was to
help certain researchers share documents easily.
across different computers and networks. He came
up with the HTML, the HTTP, the URL, and the
first web server and browser. And in 1993, he
released the web's code to the public free of
charge, ensuring that it would become a universal
system rather than a commercial product. And
I know mostly the government and the military
kind of laid the base for the internet, but CERN
and Sir Tim Berners -Lee actually made the rail
cars that kind of travel on the back of the network.
So I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, it's
super fascinating. that they're coming up with.
And this is the stuff we're learning about 50
years later, that they've done these really fantastic
research that has helped in some senses, perhaps
hurting others. Greater society is how we consume
information, but it also leads to misinformation.
And a lot of times, even though a lot of people
may be speaking the same language, but perhaps
we're not. I could be talking about a conspiracy
theory and somebody else calling me a looney
tune because I've done a different research and
it exists. And I think we'll get into it in future.
episodes, but like the dead internet theory and
how much is reality out there versus you talking
to bots and is being fake and driven by the media
and driven by people that want to influence you
to purchase something or believe a certain way
or to vote a certain way. It can be all really
interesting stuff. So we talked about this science
behind CERN, that conspiracy equal map that has
evolved over the last dozen years or so. What
is one of the theories that you think could actually
be true with CERN? What's something we should
be on? radar and be on the lookout. Yeah. So
I think one of the, I think it's probably been
completely disproven, but I still think it poses
a concern. So this isn't Jay's take on what the
collider is or isn't. This is some pretty significant
scientists were afraid that when you smash these
particles together, that you could create like
a mini black hole, which could eventually consume
the earth and completely annihilate the planet.
Back in this activation in 2008, doomsdayers
flooded petitions and forums warning of an earth.
devouring black hole. The collider's proton collisions
mimic the Big Bang conditions and could potentially
bring singularities that eventually grow uncontrollably.
There was actually a lawsuit brought by a Hawaiian
resident named Walter Wagner. He sought to halt
the operation, deciding cosmic ray risk. He was
concerned that it would eventually destroy the
Earth despite the best intentions. The people
at CERN do admit that black holes are created
when some of these particles collide, but they
last nanoseconds. They hit, they create a black
hole, and then it dissipates pretty immediately.
But some scientists are concerned that there's
like a one in a million possibility that one
time these particles are going to collide and
it's going to create a black hole and eventually
lead to a chain event that's going to create
multiple black holes, which eventually turn into
this one spiraling disk that sucks all the matter
back into it. Yeah, I've heard that theory before.
Some conjecture online states that in 2012, they
actually did create a black hole that swallowed
Earth. Then it turned everything that we're experiencing
today into almost a simulation. So all those
people that think life is just a simulation and
nothing's reality and all folks believe that
is why it occurred. I think ultimately we're
talking about portals and parallel realities
and really the Mandela effect. It has some association
there. I think in the world of CERN lore, no
story has really spread further or perhaps even
inspired more fascination than the portal theory.
It's this. The ideal that the Large Hydron Collider
doesn't merely study the universe, it punctures
it. According to this narrative, when the collider's
proton beams smash together at near light speed,
they create these microscopic ruptures in the
fabric of our reality. If you would call them
maybe temporary gateways or mirror dimensions.
Believers say these tears might explain the strange
collective memory phenomenon known as the Mandela
Effect. in which large groups of people recall
events that never officially happened. The name
comes from countless individuals who saw Nelson
Mandela died in prison in the 1980s, even though
he was released, became president of South Africa,
and lived until 2013. For those who subscribe
to the Portal Theory, the explanation is simple.
CERN opened the wrong door and reality slipped
in. In the months leading up to the July 5th,
2022, the day CERN was scheduled to restart the
Collider for its third major run, known as Run
3, that ideal really erupted across social media.
The hashtag CERN, hashtag Mandela Effect, and
hashtag parallel universe really trended on TikTok
and YouTube as creators posted countdown videos
warning of coming reality shifts. Some predicted
this like mass glitches in consciousness while
others framed their restart as this spiritual
awakening. One self -described whistleblower
claimed the Collider had the power to open other
dimensions and manipulate the weather, calling
it a weapon disguised as a scientific project.
Thousands of viewers really echoed that sentiment
online in the comment sections, promising to
record the moment the beam was activated. Many
described that day as this global threshold,
the instance humanity would unknowingly cross
into another version of itself. At the heart
of the excitement was this simple date and time,
July 5th, 2022, when the LHC would be powered
up to 3 .6 trillion electron volts, the highest
energy level ever achieved in human history.
That machine stretching 17 miles beneath the
border of France and Switzerland would smash
particles together faster than any point before.
For scientists, this was a triumph of engineering,
of internal collaboration, marking the culminations
of years of upgrades and maintenance. But those
watching from the outside, it was something else
entirely, a cosmic experiment perhaps with this
metaphysical state. On forums and Discord channel,
users speculated that the machine's energy output
might pierce the veil between parallel universes.
Some feared really the shift so subtle that no
one would notice until it was absolutely too
late. This untraceable slide into a near identical
copy of our world. Others was romantic about
it, calling the dawn of the fifth dimension or
the vibrational awakening. Now, we know that
big day has arrived because we're talking several
years in the past. at this juncture, but some
still conjecture that perhaps when they smashed
these particles together back in July 5th of
2022, they created this giant black hole and
all this weird stuff that we experienced today
as part of a simulation, as part of the Mandela
effect that we slumped into this other dimension.
Now, it seems a little far -fetched from my perspective,
coming from a Christian worldview, but there
is a lot of people that heavily believe that
this occurred. Yeah, sometimes. You remember
the 2012 Mayan apocalypse. It was the world was
supposed to end sometime, I think, in December.
I can't remember. Everybody was freaking out
about it, which is so stupid. The one thing that
they tie into CERN is that the world did end
on December whatever, 2012, and it ended and
CERN transported us to a different reality. in
that transportation to a different, I don't know,
string timeline that some of these Mandela Effect
things we remember because we're from our timeline.
But since we live in a different timeline, those
of us that shifted with it remember things differently.
And dude, I want to, so I want to play a Mandela
Effect game with you and the audience can play
along too. So some of these you may know, some
of these you may not. But as a kid, do you remember
it as the Berenstain Bears or the Berenstain
Bears? I remember it as the Berenstain Bears.
Correct. I do too. But apparently it is not.
It's the Berenstain Bears. I remember it just
like you do with an E and not an A. That one's
weird. And we can debunk some of this stuff,
but I too remember it as the Berenstain Bears.
So do you remember the Fruit of Elune cornucopia?
Like you remember the underwear stuff we used
to get? Yeah. Do you remember like the fruit
cornucopia is this logo? Yeah. Wasn't it like
grapes or something? I don't remember exactly.
I feel like it was like grapes and apples or
something along those lines. Yeah. According
to the internet. It never was. It never had a
cornucopia. It looks like a horn thing that has
like fruits and apples. And you just named off
a bunch of them. That apparently is not the case.
And I would have bet all my money that was the
logo. And I don't know. Another one is called
Shazam. I don't think we ever watched that movie,
but do you remember who was supposed to be in
that movie? And when you said Shazam, I was thinking
about the music recording app that you used to
steal music for. Yeah. But so lots of people
remember a Sinbad. He used to be like a rapper
back in like the 90s. being the main character
in Shazam, but according to the internet, Shazam
never existed, which I do vaguely remember Shaquille
O 'Neal being in some movie as a genie, but I
also remember Sinbad being a genie. Again, something
in my psyche, along with these other two examples,
that I do remember, but apparently Sinbad never
was a genie on any movie. What it could be though,
as I'm thinking about that, I do remember Sinbad.
He was in the cartoon movie that was very popular.
It was like the genie in the bottle or something
along those lines that was... a very popular
movie cartoon when we were a kid. And perhaps
like Fruit of the Loom is getting confused with
Fruit Loops or something. I wonder if there's
just some like these mistakes that are happening.
Yeah. So what did Darth Vader say to Luke in
Star Wars? Isn't it, Luke, I am your father?
Yes. That's exactly how I remember it too. But
the actual I know I am your father. Dude, I don't
remember that ever. Like it was always Luke,
I am your father. Not no, I am your father. So
again, another weird Mandela effect thing. And
I don't know how I'm sure we probably read this
book or looked at it when we were kids in kindergarten
or something. But you remember Curious George?
Yeah. Did he have a tail or not? He's a monkey.
Yeah, he had a tail. Yeah, I remember him having
a tail too. And again, this could be one of those
things where you're just thinking with your logical
brain, like the animal's a monkey, of course
it has a tail. But in the books, he never had
a tail. He was a tailless ape or a tailless chimpanzee.
Yeah, dude. So these all kind of blow your mind.
So what did the Monopoly man wear? I mean, we
used to play Monopoly all the time. Do you remember
if you wore something? Top hat and a monocle,
right? Yeah. I remember it with a monocle, too.
Again, if you look at Monopoly on the internet
today, he does not have a monocle. This is blowing
your mind. I went through these earlier, and
I went through them a couple years ago when somebody
else was presenting this, and I was like, dude,
come on, you're making this stuff up. But no,
the Monopoly man never had a monocle. Was it
Looney Tunes, T -U -N -E -S, or Looney Tunes,
T -O -O -N -S? I don't remember, but I'm going
to go with Tunes, T -O -O -N -S. Exactly. Same
thing I remember. Apparently it was tunes, like
referring to music. Tunes is a plan to cartoon
so that one doesn't make if I was using my logical
brain even if I didn't remember I would say yeah
tunes because it's a cartoon. But no, it was
Looney Tunes as in the UNES referring to music.
Yeah, but that's seven interesting kind of Mandela
effects. And I think you and I agreed on every
single one. The only one we don't remember is
Shazam because I really don't remember watching
that movie. But I do remember Sinbad as a genie
on some boat. And I don't know, man. These are
the kind of the big seven. There's a bunch of
other ones like Nelson Mandela. There was a big
thing where he died in prison. I don't remember
him dying in prison. I remember him alive until
he died of old age. I know. he went to prison.
But there's a big part of the population that
remembers him dying in prison. And that's another
big one that they kind of source as to evidence
of the Mandela effect. Yeah, I talked about that
one initially. When I was researching this stuff
a while ago, I was like, yeah, he died in prison.
And then it took me a minute to catch up and
be like, no, actually he lived. I watched some
YouTuber that was traveling through South Africa
and he visited his home and all these things.
It's interesting. I just wonder if it's like
this game of association. Like you ever play
like telephone tag where I tell you something,
then you tell your wife and your wife tells somebody
else by the time it gets to the very end, the
best story changes. Not completely, but there's
facts that have changed or been exaggerated or
replaced. I just wonder if there were so many
of these brands back in the day that were ripping
people off. Fruit of the Loom or Fruit Loops
or what have you, that people just like routinely
misassociate it with something else. I know as
when we're younger and heck we even do it as
adults. Like you said before, you're a cop and
people misremember stuff pretty easily. You can
go to a crime scene and interview seven different
people and get seven different stories. But something
like this for you and I remember the same thing.
It's I think imagery has a pretty significant
effect on the human psyche and those kind of
motifs and those pictures and the kind of branding
tends to really ingrain itself in like self -conscious.
It's weird to me that something like fruit of
a loom or even like the monopoly man. It's almost
like at a certain point, do you argue was somehow
a memory implanted in my brain? Because I would
have bet if you want to a trivia game and you
had to bet money. I would think these are stupid
questions. I'm going to bet a hundred bucks because
I know I'm going to win. That's how ingrained
it. And we can do a whole episode on the debunking
the Mandela effect, but this is some of the evidence
people use to draw the conclusion that we shifted
in reality. The interesting thing is like our
kids, they're never going to remember anything
about the Monopoly man having a monocle or curious
George not having a tail because they weren't
alive during the eighties and nineties. They
wouldn't have experienced it. So they're experiencing.
these kind of cultural motifs and this pop culture
icons through the current day lens. If we were
to talk to them, they would think we're lunatics.
It would be an interesting case study of what
like the millennials would remember or like different
generations from us that what we grew up with,
because they still make curious George books.
I don't know if they've changed the drawings
since then. Kids still play Monopoly. Like it's
still a famous game. I don't know if it's changed
or altered over the years, if they've changed
their imagery, but it'd be interesting to see
what different generations. to remember or if
you think that will tell if it's like a true
association because a lot of times when I think
of the Monopoly man, I also think of Mr. Peanut
because that was like a popular character when
we were kids as well. And they're both silly
goofy and that you see these visuals of and for
some reason in my mind that Mr. Peanut and Monopoly
man, even though I know one's a peanut, they
look similar and my brain just gets confused
around it. So it's kind of interesting. Yeah.
And it's also, I think about it, I try to logic
it out in my brain. I wonder if at one point
in time, if there was like a product run, like
in the eighties or nineties where maybe Fruit
of Loom for three or four months had the cornucopia
or the Monopoly Man had a monocle for a special
edition. And for whatever reason, that's the
one that the kids, kids, i .e. you and me and
the people in our generation remember. It's also
interesting that, cause I don't remember Nelson
Mandela died in prison, but that apparently happened
in like the early to mid eighties. So I wouldn't
have been cognitively. developed to remember
anything going on, let alone some guy dying.
But people older than us seem to remember him
dying in prison during the eighties. You and
I wouldn't remember that because again, like
I said, we weren't aware we were children and
our memories really hadn't formed. Yeah, it's
a, it's crazy stuff, man. It really is. And memory
is so fallible and what you latch onto, there's
groups of people sitting around studying people
as a culture and how can they use things to their
competitive advantage. When I think about memory.
when I used to train law enforcement officers
and new recruits. We used to come into the police
academy while they're all doing like a test or
whatever, like they're focused on something else.
And I would throw on a ski mask and I would come
through the back doors of this large auditorium.
I would throw a flashbang down the aisle. And
it would explode and I would have a gun. I would
shoot it twice. I would grab one of my buddies,
right? One of the other instructors, take them
hostage and roll out. And then everybody stopped
and they've seen this flashbang go off. They've
seen these blank rounds go off and they're like
in this state of shock because they were so focused
on whatever the presenter was teaching them.
And then when you stop and say, what do you remember?
Like that description of what I was wearing,
my clothing, what I had on my face, what firearm
I was carrying was consistently different across
the group of everybody that was standing there
and witnessed the And it shows you how fragile
memory is, in my opinion. Like it's a perfect
case study because people are going to remember
different things. Now, if I was launching a new
business that nobody knew about, but I wanted
you to know about it, would I use characteristics
of other successful brands to influence your
purchasing decision? I absolutely would because
nobody knows me yet. I want to latch onto something
that's already successful and have my own little
spin on it before I branch out and do my own
thing. But I want to pull some of their target
audience away from them until I can. It gives
me that competitive like startup time for that
brand. So I definitely think there are, and then
there's a lot of smart people that all they do
is dedicate their time and energy to studying
markets and people and buying decisions. I think
of Amazon. Obviously they make all their money.
Most people don't know this, but they make all
their money in Amazon Web Services. The entire
time I worked there, they actually lost money
in the marketplace when it came to the stuff
that most people know for buying products. But
all of their research went in for you to actually
buy their product, not what they were. sell it,
but get you on target and send you a coupon if
you don't click right away and then influence
that buying decision. They focused on moments
when you were most likely influenced late at
night or when you're surfing online or when you're
tired and you can't fall asleep. They would start
collecting that metadata to influence your buying
decision. They would sell you any junk you want
to buy, but they found the right time place to
do it. And it just shows you how easily we're
persuaded. And if the right people step in your
mind, like what they can make you remember what
they make you can believe. You know, that story
is even told in the Bible when the false prophets
come along that they're going to influence people
that I am God. And truly not, you're going to
have to know the Bible to know that this person
is anti -Christ and not God, but you're going
to be led astray. And they says a lot of people
will be. And I think that shows how easily we
can be convinced and changed. Yeah, I don't know,
man. So sometimes I think about like Nelson Mandela,
something like that. And this is now we're going
down crazy rabbit holes here. And I don't necessarily
believe this, but I'm just going to pose a plot.
explanation because he was a fairly well -known
figure and he was in jail for his beliefs and
what he stood for. What if he did die in the
80s and the news article came out and they decided
we had to replace him with somebody who looks
like him so he can continue his message and was
convinced people that he didn't die you're misremembering
this and this other guy can play out whatever
legacy or whatever his role was in order to keep
people calm. The other stuff you can even look
at the internet now. The internet today is so
much different than the internet was even 10
years ago. You can go through and scrub whatever
you want off the internet, you can inject stuff
in the internet. So if most people get their
information now from the worldwide web. So if
you want to have people question themselves or
question news articles or question history, it
doesn't take a whole lot of effort, especially
with AI these days, to go back in and re -edit
everything to have people see things the way
you want them to see it. With the AI bot army,
like I think most of our collective unconscious
anymore is no longer in books. It's no longer
in telling stories by the fireside or communing
with our friends and family and learn. in history
and knowledge. That way, it's going to your computer,
your phone, typing something in. to the search
engine and it spits out whatever it spits out
and most people are going to believe it without
referencing their memory banks or referencing
living sources or referencing even books at this
point. So I guess there's a couple of walk -arounds
with that. I just think the scary thing is, especially
with these bots, we're seeing it now and we talk
about it often. These bots can create videos
that are getting so good. I think within the
next year or two, we're not going to be able
to tell the difference if it's a human, if it's
AI generated, if it's a bot. It's just. getting
wild. You can rewrite all of history just with
your advanced AI. Yeah. It reminds me of these
Reddit forms that I spend time on. And if people
can string sentences together, people just assume
it's AI. A lot of people always say, Oh, thanks
chat GPT for writing this article for me. And
it's no, I actually wrote it. I have an advanced
degree. I'm well educated. I don't write it two
seconds on my phone. I try to put a nice piece
together to educate folks. And it's people are
now are like, if anything's intelligent out there,
I just assume AI wrote it because the human now
can only like misspell sentences and have broken
grammar. And I think about the Nelson Mandela
point that you made is there's two takeaways
there. Could he be replaced to carry his message
and influence the government and get presidency
and somebody look absolutely. But the other one
is that a lot of times a martyr is more influential
than somebody that dies of old age. Right. So
perhaps there was a series of things that people
wanted you to believe that he was martyred for
the sacrifice for South Africa at that time.
It's hard to kind of pinpoint. So we've talked
a lot about the Mandela effect. So if we get
back to our story, six years before July of 2022,
before the restart, the skies over Geneva became
part of CERN's mytho. In June of 2016, a violent
thunderstorm rolled across western Switzerland,
throwing jagged bolts of lightning over the region
and setting the evening sky ablaze with flashes
of electric blue and deep violet. At that time,
amateur photographers and commuters caught the
spectacle on their cell phones. The twisting
clouds, the symmetrical rings, and lightning
that seemed to kind of branch upward rather than
down. Within hours, those photos were online,
and by the next morning, they had gone viral
with captions like, what portal did CERN just
open? Conspiracy forums and YouTube channels
seized on that image almost immediately. Many
connected them to the experiment known as Awake,
which had recently been in the news for its use
of Proton. than the plasma waves, language that
sounded to the public air suspiciously like energy
tunnels or particle shock waves. Videos emerged
with titles such as the CERN Open Dimensional
Gateway over Geneva and Portal Cloud Phenomenon
Explained. Dramatic soundtracks were laid under
the images, often zooming into sections of the
cloud where faces or vortex -like shapes appear
to emerge. And commenters actually claimed see
eyes, serpents, even angel silhouettes, proof
that argued that the collider's energy had interacted
with the atmosphere in this kind of unnatural
way. Over the following days, that imagery really
spread beyond conspiracy circles into like our
mainstream culture. Memes appeared on Twitter,
appearing in the Storm's photos with quotes from
Stranger Things or Doctors Who, Facebook groups
titled CERN Watch and Portal. Projects sprung
up overnight, each with thousands of members
sharing screenshots of this event. A lot of them
are saying that this thin veil between the worlds
was really exposed. Some users even claimed that
the storm had appeared directly over the LHC's
buried tunnel. And others swore the locals in
Geneva reported hearing low rumbles or filling
this odd electromagnetic pulse through the sky.
For many believers that storm really became like
this perfect symbol. Nature itself were acting
to human interference with this kind of fundamental
forces of the universe. To this day, that portal
cloud remains one of the most enduring pieces
of visual evidence of that certain conspiracy
culture. And a lot of connecting back to like
they were seeing this portal being created or
this black hole developing almost because they
never seen anything like this. They were seeing
sky lightning. I even saw sky lightning on a
New York post article that my wife shared. with
me today and it is an absolutely spectacular,
beautiful thing. That's really hard to pinpoint
that it's a natural phenomenon perhaps, but it
looks supernatural when you witness it. And a
lot of people connect that back to the black
hole, which ultimately caused the Mandela effect
as well. So I thought that was interesting that
we do see some conspiratorial evidence in reference
to what we're talking about today and where people
are talking about the veil being lifted or the
world being. altered because of something they're
doing over there. I remember seeing, I think
this is what you're talking about. They look
like odd spirals in the sky. Is that what you're
referring to or is it something different? Yeah,
there's a lot of photographs of that and just
like this crazy lightning and people even like
saying that these weird cloud shapes were angel
and demon shaped and eyes and all this weird
stuff that was just in rapid succession. Yeah.
I know every time one of those weird kind of
spiral type things in the sky, people are always
pointing to CERN or some of these other particle
colliders. Like I said, there's seven around
the world. So it's interesting. Again, I didn't
do a ton of research into that. I think there
are some... possible explanations for that. A
lot of people actually blame Elon Musk and his
rockets for that type of stuff. I know there
was one launch of a rocket that when it cleared
the atmosphere, it did leave some sort of crazy
looking, oddly symmetrical spiral in the sky,
which to me doesn't make a lot of sense that
it would have some sort of symmetry to it. It
almost kind of looked like an imprint in the
sky that took hours to dissipate. Like nature,
I know nature can form stuff in symmetrical patterns,
but you really don't see symmetry in the atmosphere
because of the winds and the shit. So, I think
that explanation as to what that could be is
not something man -made in terms of rocketry
leaving that imprint. I definitely think it could
be man -made in terms of some sort of energy
being shot into the sky. But another interesting
theory I ran across, and I don't think this one
gets too crazy. But you ever hear of the time
traveler sabotage theory? It's an interesting,
like philosophical kind of speculative idea.
It's not as scientifically accepted, but scientists
did reference it in the paper. And the long story
short, I don't want to bore you with a scientific
paper and read it. So I'll just summarize it.
So the Large Hadron Collider experienced a ton
of delays, a ton of hiccups, ton of glitches
during its early commissioning. And for example,
in 2008, the Collider had a significant malfunction
in a certain sector due to failure and these
two scientists named Nielsen and I'm gonna butcher
his name but Neil Mia wrote a theoretical paper
suggesting that if people in the future didn't
want a Higgs producing event to happen then the
probability of it actually working would be seriously
decreased. So essentially what they're paper
proposed. And again, and this is a scientific
paper, it works on the theory of relativity and
time travel. So again, what it's suggesting is
that someone in the future sees that a certain
experiment will have catastrophic consequences,
that something or someone from the future might
do something to sabotage it in the past. So it's
called the time traveler sabotage. So essentially
boiling it down, it's saying that if someone
has a time travel machine in the future, whenever
we act it now or a large collider and they pick
up some of these energy disturbances, they can
go back and purposely sabotage the experiment.
if it's not time for us to have it. I don't buy
into that theory. I think it's theoretically
fun to think about. But again, now the collider
works. So I don't know what happened between
2008 and 2025, because apparently people from
the future stop coming back. Actually, time travel
is really connected to a lot of the theories
that are floating around it. Have you heard the
connection between 3I Atlas and time travel and
obviously the HCL? I heard some crazy remote
views. spew some story about Three Eye Atlas
and how he communicated with the people on board,
essentially telling him that, yeah, we're nice
and we're coming there for peaceful reasons.
I think remote viewing is a bunch of hogwash.
too, but go ahead and tell me your story. Yeah,
I agree with you. So just to backtrack a little
bit for our listeners, when the astronomers spotted
this object racing across the southern sky in
July of 25, they named it 3I Atlas, the third
confirmed interstellar visitor en route to our
solar system. To this scientific community, it
was obviously a comet and another messenger from
the deep unknown, kind of offering a chance to
study the material forged around another star.
But beyond those observations, the The name really
set off this tremor in collective imaginations.
The word atlas instantly connected this cosmic
wanderer to another place that already carried
that mythic weight. The tunnels beneath Geneva,
where CERN's atlas detector hums in the darkness,
really studying collisions so violent they mimic
the birth of the universe. Two instruments worlds
apart suddenly shared a name. And in the language
of modern myth, that was enough to really spark
the fire online. The coincidence became a revelation.
The ATLAS telescope that discovered the object
looks upward, scanning for dangers from heavens.
The ATLAS detector at CERN looks downwards into
the invisible architecture of matter. One surveys
the infinite and the other recreates it. And
then there was the number 3i, the third interstellar
object. The number 3, already heavy with symbolic
gravity in CERN folklore, runs through the trans...
the three circles of the collider, that really
echoed from space. For those inclined towards
pattern and parallels were irresistible. A third
visitor from the stars discovered by Atlas in
the same year Stern's Atlas experiment prepared
for new upgrades. As above, so below the caption
read. And the cosmic and the subterranean were
really this dialogue again. Now in the Reddit
communities and on Twitter, what people were
saying is they were obviously observing these.
consistencies with everything with the name of
Atlas in it. And a lot of conjecture online stated
that we're going to have this kind of impossible
event that's going to occur late in 2025. And
they connected it back to the Hydron Collider
creating this portal for time travel. And what
they're thinking is that because of this portal,
people were transported into the future. And
now they know this horrible event's going to
occur and they're traveling back to our universe
from this. an asteroid -shaped spaceship to warn
us about what's going to happen. And they start
looking into this numerology and all this weird
stuff, but I do find it ironic that it's Atlas
in the sky, Atlas below, like rare phenomenon.
It all seems pretty weird. I don't know that
I buy it, that we're creating these parallel
universes, though I think there's potential that
when we get into Revelations that we could open
this portal to hell. And I think we'll get into
some of those more Revelation heavy ideologies.
using a little bit, but I thought it was pretty
interesting because you were talking about time
travel that they're connecting it to us that
we're all seeing today. And then people are trying
to study. Yeah, I think this is kind of a. good
transition into some of the occult aspects of
CERN. So I don't know if you saw the human sacrifice
video that they did. They claim it was a prank,
but the backstory is, it very well could be a
prank. I'm not trying to make a mountain out
of a molehill here. But of course, if somebody
posts a video of some sort of human sacrifice
ritual, what are you going to say? You're going
to admit to it? But I'll have to try to find
it so we can put it in the show notes. But it's
an interesting watch. And prank or not, It's
still a little bizarre that somebody would, of
all places, choose a large international organization
to do a prank video. And let's just say it is
a prank. What are they trying to communicate
with that? Are they trying to go viral and are
they trying to send a message real or not real?
It seems like a weird way to communicate regardless
of the validity of the video. Have you had a
chance to check that one? I did. I remember Seren
screaming unauthorized prank that occurred on
our grounds. What I find interesting is when
this occurred, it occurred in 2016. And if we
backtrack a little bit, that was that storm I
was talking about. It occurred the same year
where everybody was taking pictures of it. I
wonder if those two events are linked up. I think
they even admit it, and correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think they even admit it, the prank did
occur on certain grounds where they were filming
this video. which I find really odd because of
the amount of security clearances that you have
to have to be filming stuff and posting it online.
That's going to the extreme. And not that I've
seen the full video, I've only seen clips of
it, but I wonder if some people could potentially
go to jail for it, right? Because they're posting
classified information for the public to see.
So with that in count, I wonder what's really
going on there. And I think the bigger thing
is, have you heard that they have the Shiva statue?
there? Yeah, and that whole ceremony is freaky,
bro. Have you seen that video? It's mind blowing.
Even before really that viral sacrifice video
that presence of the bronze Shiva statue on CERN's
main campus had really already become this lightning
rod of speculation. The statue stands just outside
one of the main research buildings and it's nearly
seven feet. tall, encircled by a ring of flame,
depicting Shiva mid -dance in the eternal cycle
of creation and destruction. To visitors, it's
a striking piece of art, and to the global online
audience that already viewed CERN with suspicion,
it really became something else entirely. The
statue's timing and location made it ripe for
misinterpretation. After all, here we are, the
world's most powerful machine for probing the
origins of the universe and standing before it,
the god who dances. symbolizes the end and rebirth
of all existence. Officially, the statue was
presented to CERN in 24 as a gift from India,
recognizing the decades of scientific collaboration.
And a plaque nearby describes Shiva's dance as
a metaphor of rhythmic interplay of matter and
energy, the same forces physicists study inside
the collider. But the conspiracy communities
and that poetic comparison reads as a confession.
They argue that CERN's research invokes Shiva's
dance, not as a metaphor, but as this ritual
performing acts of creation and destruction through
these high energy collisions. And in their retelling,
Shiva is not simply a cultural symbol. He's the
patron deity of this secret order of physicists
attempting really to rewrite the universe's blueprint.
But the symbolism doesn't really end with the
statue. You seen the CERN logo itself? Yeah,
it looks like a 666. Exactly. It has becoming
this reoccurring fixation in these narratives.
It composes of these overlapping circular lines,
which represent accelerator rings and beam paths.
And the design was meant to be this simple technical
motif, yet online many claim to see something
darker within its curves. And I do too, right?
These six shaped swirls that when viewed in a
certain way resemble 666 and the biblical number
of the beast. And these YouTube breakdowns that
I watched overly red circles and the arrows in
the logo insisting that it designs and codes
really this allegiance to the occult or the demonic
forces. The ideal that an organization devoted
to unlocking the secrets of the universe would
embed in this apocalyptic numerology an emblem
feels to many believers like deliberate symbolism
hiding in plain sight. I think even the name
The names of some experiments are really woven
in that mythic tapestry as well. So first point,
I think it's bizarre that in a Christianized
nation of Switzerland and France, the collider
goes through both countries, that you choose
to use a paganistic occult deity of the Hindus,
which have, I've lost count. I think they have
millions of gods. So they choose the god of creation
and destruction as their, I mean, I don't want
to call it their mascot, but it may as well be
if it's sitting in the front of your of your
building. And if you watch the, I guess the revealing
of the statue, it looks like there's a ritual
going on around the statue as a revealing it.
These people are in like hoods, like robes, like
very occult looking type. garb and they're doing
this very ritualistic dance around it. Like when
I watched that video, my spirit was hanging on
the radar. What the heck is this? It's an odd
watch, but out of all the things you can put
in front of your building and a lot of these
scientists claim to be agnostic or to be atheist.
If you're not going to put something religious
there, that's not Christianized because of your
region. Wouldn't it make more sense to put something
that's maybe, I don't know, secular, something
that has nothing to do with any sort of deity?
It's just, it's just, it's just really odd to
me. And this kind of goes back in the past. A
lot of scientists in the 1900s, a lot of them
were occultists, like Jack Parsons, the head
of the jet propulsion labs. Big occultist, follower
of Aleister Crowley. Pretty, I think he actually
co -wrote a book with the guy that founded Scientology,
L. Ron Hubbard. And a ton of scientists back
in that era were big believers of Gnosticism
and the occult. Like they believed, they don't
want you to believe it. They want you to not
to believe in anything. They don't want you to
believe in Jesus. They don't want you to believe
in God. But in the back, a lot of their theories
and a lot of their practices were shrouded in
mystery and they were obsessed with the occult.
Like Jack Parsons was obsessed with summoning
an entity. And this is the guy leading a rocketry
program. And I don't think that's really changed
any different today. I think a lot of these schools
that you go to, I think once you get up to the
higher level, you get to like your masters and
your doctorate. you go through that second tier,
third tier education system, I think they reveal
a lot of the more spiritual mysteries and they
guide you down a different path. I think Carl
Jung, one of the big psychotherapists of the
18th and 19th century, he claimed that 80 % of
your thoughts aren't from you, they're from outside
entities. And I just think it's just, it hearkens
back to this whole spiritual warfare thing. We're
always under the influence of something. Our
visual spectrum, I think only picks up like point.
three, five percent. I could get that number
wrong of the actual electromagnetic spectrum.
That's 99. whatever percent of stuff we can't
even see because we as humans are just, we just,
we live on such a narrow band of not only sight,
but sound and even what we can experience outside
of us. But these guys were a lot of these scientists
are big into the occult and they deep dive in
these mysteries because I think part of it is
they want power and part of it, they really want
the knowledge. And I think the deeper you get
into physics, the more it proves God's existence,
it proves how the universe was formed. And now
there was a time, especially when we were growing
up, if scientists believed in God, it was a one
-off kind of outlier. Now 99 .9 % of them believe
in God. They debate who it is and what it is.
But the consensus is that this creation that
we live in could not have happened by accident.
statue of Jezebel standing in front of the UN
where a lot of people call it the New World Order,
where I believe they have 57 member states or
57 countries that said before, don't sit right
with you. It feels a little odd. Well, look at
the Statue of Liberty. They try to tell you it's
a woman. It looks like a very androgynous face.
You can't really tell the body structure because
it's draped in a robe. It's a replication of
Lucifer the Lightbearer, a torch in the air.
Around one of his feet, there's a broken chain,
broken shack. It doesn't look like a woman to
me. When I was little, I just accepted that's
a strange looking woman. But the more you look
at it, the more it looks like a dude. And I think
it's just, it's a statue made in homage to the
evil one. Yeah. It's always interesting to me
because I've had a lot of conversations and at
the end of the day, we all believe in miracles.
No matter who you are, you believe in some type
of miracle. The agnostics and those with no faith,
they still believe in one miracle, the big bang.
That a big bang occurred and all of a sudden,
somehow we got all this stuff on earth with organic
life and humans and animals and trees and water
and air. And it's rare because obviously we haven't
discovered it ever again. And I just almost wonder
like, it must take more faith to believe in that
garbage than it does just Jesus. Because now
we're talking about somebody that sacrificed
their life for you, that built a kingdom, that
this is by design. And I think from a rational
perspective, it's easier to believe than just
one miracle occurring randomly. And I remember
talking to some friends that weren't Christians
and had no faith. And they go, but what if you're
wrong? That I'm in the same damn boat you already
are, right? That I'm not going to know that I'm
dead and that'll be it. I won't know I'm wrong,
but until then I will live a good life because
I'm trying my best to follow the teachings of
Jesus. And if I'm right, which I believe I am,
then I'm in a whole lot better place, right?
At the end of times, because I'm going to go
to the kingdom of heaven and not fall down to
the kingdom of hell. Yeah. These statues and
idols that we set up before ourselves are always
weird. It's like the bowl of Baal, right? That
people worshiped and I don't know. it sets a
little bit uneasy with me. And I've wondered
that for perhaps 20 or 30 years of about the
UN, a lot of people called it the new world order
or they thought it was going to be the new world
order at that time. And a lot of people were
scared of it. Yeah. So I know there's been some
pretty, pretty, I use this term loosely, outlandish
conspiracy theories about One of the main reasons
that CERN was created was to open the door to
the abyss. So essentially what people claim is
that through smashing these particles together,
they can open a door to unleash the 200 fallen
angels out of the abyss that got locked down
after the flood. They got to get out somehow
because according to the Bible, once the Euphrates
river dries up, and I don't think CERN's going
to let them in, I really think there's prophecy
that has to happen before they are unleashed.
The Euphrates is getting pretty low, which is
scary, but there are physical natural signs that
have to happen before that's allowed. But it
doesn't mean that they can't, again, we're getting
fantastical and conspiratorial here, but you
can draw the conclusion that just because they
can't let them out doesn't mean they can't communicate
with them. Yeah, no, it's a good point. And I
think a lot of it comes down to anti -matter,
that kind of strange mirror version of the ordinary
manner that annihilates upon contact with its
opposite. And what I found in my research is
in physics, anti -matter isn't perhaps evil or
spiritual. it's simply a matter when reversed
charged. When the online imagination has become
really the symbol of the ultimate forbidden energy
or the literal power of destruction harnessed
by scientists who may or perhaps may not fully
understand that what they're playing with. For
many believers that anti -matter is the dark
fuel of syrup. Proof that the organization is
really experimenting with forces capable of rewriting
the laws of creation itself. The real war basis
for this legend traces back to the anti -proton
deaccelerator at CERN, a facility that creates
these and studies these small quantities of antimatter.
In 2010, researchers from the Alpha collaboration
achieved a milestone by trapping this anti -hydrogen
atoms for the first time and really holding them
in these magnetic cages long enough to study
their properties. And for physicists, this was
really a groundbreaking achievement, opening
the door to deeper understanding to why the universe
contains more matter than anti -matter. But for
people like, perhaps Oz, that announcement sounded
like the unveiling of a weapon or a ritual tool.
They're storing anti -matter underground. One
popular blog that I found was stated like, why
would anyone need to store annihilation unless
they intended to use it? And you started seeing
a lot of this anti -matter stuff pop up in the
broader circle. myths. Some claimed it was stockpiled
as this form of energy source for dimensional
travel or this interdimensional beings. Others
said it was connected to biblical prophecy, an
inversion of creation energy that could bring
about the apocalypse. Theologians with kind of
the conspirator bent began drawing parallels
between CERN's anti -matter experiments and referencing
the bottomless pit in the book of Revelation.
And on YouTube videos that I found with titles
like Sauron playing God with the power of angels
and demons, and it racked up millions of views
arguing that anti -matter was the spiritual energy,
the essence of angels that have fallen from grace
and now being resurrected through this technology.
The myth really deepened when quotes attributed
to scientists paired with dramatic imagery, vials
of glowing plasma, stormy skies, the Shiva statue
that we talked about all spending under these
kind of like strobe lights. And some creators
suggested that antimatter could affect consciousness,
erasing the boundary between the physical and
the spiritual realms. Others tied it to the ideal
of the soul harvesting, claiming Cern's collisions
really released this burst of energy capable
of distorting the human psyche. Even mainstream
science outlets, when describing antimatter's
potential, couldn't really help but sound poetic.
Antimatter, after all, is the opposite of everything
that we know today. Pure energy trapped in perfect
symmetry, waiting to meet its mirror and vanish
in light. By 2015, that myth had really merged
with these older apocalyptic narratives. A now
famous viral post claimed that CERN has created
a drop of antimatter so powerful, it could destroy
the planet if it excreted. In reality, the amount
produced in CERN is really small, but that didn't
really matter when we start talking about stories
and the fantastical. I think what makes this
strand of CERN legend so compelling is that it
blurs the boundaries between fact and symbolism.
And antimatter is real. It does annihilate matter
on contact. It is stored, studied, and manipulated
at CERN. That kind of leap from laboratory truth
to this fear is a very short one in my mind.
And the language of annihilation writes its own
myth. And in CERN there, of antimatter becomes
the ultimate kind of metaphor between these two
worlds and what we're seeing in these portals.
So scary stuff. Yeah, I think it would be a bit
remiss if we didn't talk about similar whistleblowers.
So the most prominent whistleblower is cited
as Dr. Astrid Stuckelberger. So this person was
a UNWHO consultant with over 30 years of international
health policy experience. They conducted interviews
between 2022 and 2025. She claims to have dined
privately with two unnamed CERN physicists, Portugal,
who confided in her about a secret radial nuclear
program beneath CERN. According to her, they
described a physical portal or door at CERN's
base. It was only accessible via subatomic experiences
through which beams from other dimensions entered
our world and exited our world. She alleges there
are 17 different dimensions of reality accessed
via the LHC's Boson experiments. And these entities
have manifested twice. Once an entity emerged
and sat at the table during a meeting, the second
time it came out and took a scar from a participant
before vanishing. So apparently this thing was
cold and hell, I don't know. But Suckleberg kind
of frames this as part of a covert nuclear weapons
program, warning of risks like hell on earth
from any matter. or strangulate production entices
to. global control agendas. So interesting story.
This isn't your run of a mill person on X or
Instagram making these outlandish claims. This
obviously she's a doctor and with 30 years of
experience with the UN and WHO gives us some
credibility in my mind. Again, interesting story.
I don't know why you'd risk your reputation to
bring that out there if you didn't think it was
true yourself. Whether or not the people you're
interviewing are messing with you or not, their
names weren't given. There's also another interesting
fella named Anthony He's a self -described researcher
and author on biblical prophecy and quantum physics.
Patch claims CERN now admits to communicating
with entities from the other side via portals.
Obviously this is denied by CERN, but he links
this kind of transhumanism and time prophecies
alleging that the Collider summons Lovecraftian
Great Old Ones rather than demons. What that
means, I don't know. And he, again, in 2025 of
this year, he connects this. to 3i Atlas suggesting
the portals facilitate contact with the occupants.
Some other interesting claims from Anthony is
that he claims to have analyzed several leaked
CERN documents and spoke with several unnamed
physicists within CERN, alleging that they purposely
create these stable portals for these inter -dimensional
entities to contact and have conversations with.
He claims the portal weakens the dimensional
barrier allowing these entities to influence
human affairs via electromagnetic anomalies.
Again, he linked CERN with 3I Atlas, claiming
experiments contacted the occupants. applying
that not only are they talking to someone in
a different dimension, these great old ones,
quote unquote, but they can also use CERN as
a kind of a conduit for non -terrestrial intelligence,
AKA aliens. And he also cited the Shiva statue
as ritual symbolism and hidden data and public
logs showing anomalous oscillations matching
ancient text. Again, like I said, that ritual
with the unveiling of the statue was bizarre
and I got a bad feeling from it, but that's anecdotal.
And there are several anonymous CERN employees
who, again, this points back of Project Bluebeam.
And again, there are several of them claiming
to be former CERN technicians, and they're warning
of something they call a post portal Project
Bluebeam operation. This whistleblower, no one
named, alleges CERN's LHC has already opened
temporary portals allowing ghost -like entities,
four to six foot tall, mostly shadowy forms,
to briefly manifest during high energy runs.
And these were apparently, according to them,
cashiered on internal cameras, but suppressed.
These entities allegedly taught scientists hologram
tech. the stage of global alien invasion using
drones, the sky projections, and the ultimate
goal, like with Project Blue Beam, is global
control, one -war government, and depopulation.
Interesting that Project Blue Beam falls back
into this circle of conspiracy love. When I hear
the great old ones, I think the verse was in
Genesis, but somebody would have to fact check
me on it, but it was the heroes of renown. I
remember hearing that in the Bible, and what
are the heroes of renown? They briefly touched
on it, and they eventually... destroyed in the
flood, but what they were talking about was the
Nephilim. And it reminds me of perhaps what the
great old ones are as these kind of historic
demons that the world encountered. Yeah, but
I think the definition of a demon is an actual
dead Nephilim. So I'm not real sure. I guess
if you're a dead Nephilim, you're not going to
be like, yo, I'm a demon. You're going to be
like, yeah, I'm a great mighty warrior from pre
-flot. But going back to this anonymous CERN
employee. So the portals are stabilized in 2022
with entities emerging as plasma orbs that interacted
with equipment. And there's a claim by this anonymous
source that these people take data cables or
these entities take data cables. What you need
with a data cable is an orb. I don't know. Again,
strange stuff. And I think there's one more that's,
there's a couple more that are pretty interesting.
I'll just touch on them quick. In early 2025,
so this year, the anonymous CERN physicist. claimed
that the super proton secretron captured a mysterious
4D entity during a March 2024 experiment. Described
as a ghost particle disturbance and invisible
four dimensional structure influencing proton
paths. The story kind of evolved into a whistleblower
tale of an actual interdimensional being briefly
trapped in the collider. Reports allege these
entities caused equipment malfunctions before
dissipating with footage showing like this anomalous
shadow figures on the monitors. The claim...
was that this entity was a higher dimensional
being from one of the 17 subatomic realms, not
a particle entering via the LHC link portals
and mimicking human forms. This kind of ties
back to Stucklebird's dimensional list, 17 subatomic
realms. I don't know if this person's like trying
to piggyback on her alleged end of reviews as
secondhand proof, but one viral kind of video
I found. quotes a leaked memo and non -local
consciousness interference. These kind of leaks
are coming out in the past few years. And the
last one I want to talk about as a fellow named
Sergio Bertolucci. Sergio was CERN's former director
of research from 2009 to 2016, he made a statement
saying something may come through a dimensional
gateway or doorway opened by the LHC. Conspiracy
amplifiers claimed that he was a reluctant whistleblower
revealing entity risk, alleging post -retirement
leaks about portals summoning demons or other
ET forms during the 2012 run. He claims that
the LHC creates microscopic black holes as portals
to extra dimensions for any Plasma intelligence
could emerge instead at the table, which that
goes back to echoing what Stuckelberg said. Bertolucci
allegedly warned of uncontrolled visitors and
private memos suppressed until 2024 declassification.
I didn't pull the document, but if this is true,
if there is declassified documentations warning
of uncontrolled visitors, that's pretty significant
proof considering that this guy was the director
of research from 2009 to 2016. So whatever is
happening in there, whether or not they're doing
it purposely or not, there seems to be some sort
of unrealized effect that they're having on the
world around us. So I'm curious. I didn't catch
the name, but I think it was a female scientist
that worked there for 30 years. No, she worked
for the UN and the WHO, but she'd interviewed
some of the former CERN employees. Gotcha. It's
something about the demon set at the stable or
stole a scarf or what have you. Did she mention
what it looked like? Again, I didn't read her
document per se. I read the recap. At least I
found the recap in my research. that they are
described as like shadowy figures, like almost,
I want to say dark translucent, like you can,
they look like a shadow person. That's the best
way I can think of to explain it. Gotcha. That's
interesting. Now, tonight we talked a lot about
scary things, time travel, the Mandala effect,
portals, perhaps connections to revelations.
And we heard some really interesting stories
about what people experienced there as well.
But I also think it's important to look ahead.
And when we look ahead, what we see is bigger
rings and obviously bigger stories. Even as the
Large Hadron Collider continues its long run
of discovery, CERN's ambitions are already pushing
beyond its current limits. The next great dream,
the Future Circular Collider, or the FCC, looms
on the horizon, a proposed 100 -km ring that
would dwarf the existing 27 -km LHC today. If
approved, and it sounds like it will be, it would
become the largest scientific instrument ever
built by humanity, designed first to study the
Higgs balls on with unprecedented precision and
later to smash protons together energies up to
100 TeV, which I've never seen this abbreviation
before in my research, but it is abbreviated.
Yeah. What is it? So it's called tera electron
volts. So essentially it's just a unit of energy
in particle physics. So they break that down
in layman's turn. So it's a unit of energy equal
to one trillionth of electron volt. So particle
accelerators like the LHC use TeV. took measure.
the energy of colliding particles. So to you
and me, it doesn't really mean much, but it's
the higher the number, the more energy that they're
sending these particles around. Gotcha. Yeah.
Thanks for that explanation. And they're saying
energy is up to 100 of these, which is nearly
seven times what the LHC can achieve today. To
the scientific community, this represents the
next logical step in the quest to understand
dark matter, the origins of mass and the unification
of forces. world of people like us, it may be
the next chapter in this unfolding cosmic drama
that we're seeing before our eyes today. Plans
for the FCC are still in development, but the
numbers alone inspire awe. It's an estimated
cost in the tens of billions of dollars, a construction
timeline stretching toward the late 2030s, and
a buried ring so vast it would encircle the entire
city of Geneva. For supporters, It's a vision
of progress, a successor to the collider that
proved humanity could recreate conditions similar
to those a fraction of a second after the Big
Bang. For critics, it's a machine that feels
almost mythic in its audacity. Every time CERN
announces another upgrade or future concept,
people start talking of larger portals, global
rituals, and new dimensional thresholds. And
in those online narratives, the bigger the ring,
the bigger the risk. What's striking is how science
and myth really move in parallel with this topic.
When CERN publishes feasibility studies and engineering
designs, content creators release their own interpretations
of what it may impact. Digital prophecies and
countdown predictions start to kind of flood
online forums. And the official slides talk about
superconducting magnets and energy efficiency.
And the mythic versions speak of gateways. and
the world brink for transformation. But ultimately
I think we don't know what we don't know. The
scientists have their theory, but there is some
world possible impact that we could see from
these significant changes that will likely occur
when these experiments kick off. And what I'm
seeing with it, it's going to be so big and the
discoveries may be so vast. It may be like discovering
the atom bomb all over again, because when you
start smashing things together at accelerated
energy forces, we also don't know how big of
a bang there's going to be and what destruction
is going to follow. There's potential for our
sun to go dark, for our seas to boil, who knows.
But I do think it can be some pretty scary stuff.
And it connects a lot to what people fear today
when it comes to the government can control earthquakes,
that they can manipulate the weather, that they
can do all of these things and perhaps be really
tragic weapons as well. Yeah, it's scary stuff.
Is that what you think the CERN is? Is that your
conclusion? It's for me, this is a really tricky
topic. And I think for once I almost feel out
of my depth. Obviously I've done a lot of research.
I am a science guy in a way. I know how to program
things. I understand people. Like there's a lot
of things I do understand and there's a lot with
CERN that I just don't. I think there's a lot
of risk when you look at the world from a biblical
worldview, there are some concerns. My concerns
start with the statues of Shiva of these unauthorized
pranks that occur at CERN that are showing human
sacrifices to all of this weirdness that surrounds
it. I think CERN, I don't know, man, I think
it could be for good and I think it could be
for bad. And it lies with the people whose hands
God has turned it over to ultimately to make
these discoveries. But I do think it can also
be a weapon. And especially as we watch our world
get closer and closer to World War III as we
start to see countries that are going to war
with each other, as we hear rumors of wars and
wars, as is quoted in Revelations. I think it
may be prioritized of how we can, A, protect
ourselves or go on the offensive. So I do think
it has strategic weapon capabilities along with
studying. And I do think it could. possibly learn
how to harness earthquakes and shifting tectonic
plates and create natural man -made disasters
in another realm of possibility. So I think we
have to be careful. One of the things that you
read about is a lot of the numerology. I don't
put a lot of faith in numerology. God talks about
it kind of some in the Bible, like seven says
kind of number and the devil is 666. But numerology
and a lot of these conspirator forms go a little
bit deeper. They connected to the worldwide web.
going down a tangent of why they connected to
the worldwide web. What we do know about it is
that it's, in my opinion, a weapon of evil more
than it is something for good. Yeah, obviously
we use the internet every day. We were able to
communicate. Me and you, we're in different states.
We're able to have a podcast, but the amount
of damage it is called is pretty irreversible.
When you talk about addictions and pornography
to, you can find anything you want on the worldwide
web. And we know about that discovery very well.
And I see that. as a really bad thing. So I'm
not seeing good things come out of CERN. I don't
really need to know about matter and anti -matter,
but it sounds scary and it sounds like building
blocks of creation and destruction, which I'm
not sure we should be dabbling in anyways. And
when you start connecting the wrong people to
CERN and you starting to see this 666 and they're
prioritizing all the bad things, I think only
bad things can come from it. So I don't know
if I would want my taxes to go pay for CERN to
dig into. all this evil, perhaps maybe we should
just give a little more money to the needy and
take care of our own societies. Yeah. So what
comes to mind to me is that it was said in the
Bible at the end times that. the end of the world,
the end of creation will be like the days of
Noah. So I think, okay, let's think about the
days of Noah. So we know the fallen angels came
to earth, made it with women, and these angels
taught man a lot of stuff that we have. So just
drawing, looping this back around the CERN, I
don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility
that they are trying to contact something, maybe
they know what it is, maybe they don't, but trying
to get information on how to build new tech.
new advanced tech. I think there's enough evidence
with some of these other scientists back in the
1900s, their obsession with the occult, their
obsession with trying to summon entities, all
for the sole purpose of getting knowledge. Like
with knowledge comes power. And for me, the Shiva
statue with that, what I call a ritual. during
its unveiling, there's a lot of a cult out there
around this place. And with these stories, though,
unverified with people that have credibility,
with people who have worked there, passing the
concerns and giving these testimonies of entities
coming through these portals. And we talked about
a couple of setting down and just the concerns
of logistic scientists worrying about triggering
a black hole event. We're playing with technology.
I don't think we really. truly understand. And
again, with anything else in life, I think there's
plenty of scientists there that go, I just want
to study physics and that's all I do. Cool. But
you get to a certain upper echelon who may know
what it's really for and who may use the naive
scientists, use their data to propel their agenda.
Do I think there's stuff coming through the portals?
And this is a no, we'll get into Oak Ridge. There's
another podcast or named Tony Merkel for the
confessionals. And he said guest on, or he knows,
I don't know if he's had a guest on yet. I'll
have to check that out. But there was some chatter
of him having a guest on. He worked at Oak Ridge
and he said, every time they turn the particle
accelerator, like entities would come out, like
physical entities. And they would have to either
kill them and, or try to get them to go back
in, which I think 99 times out of a hundred,
they would have to kill them. So I think they
are summoning something. They're thinning the
veil. And I think they want to, because they
want to get knowledge, whether they think they're
talking to demons. fallen angels, benevolent
entities, aliens, I don't know. But I think...
that they know how to thin that veil and are
trying to get information. Yeah, it's a circle
back to where we started tonight. It's the Christian
reading of modern science mythic narrative. In
my mind, really, CERN stands as the 21st century
tower of Babel, a monument to mankind's relentless
climb towards the divine. And that ancient story
told in Genesis 11 that speaks of people united
by one language and one ambition to build a tower
that reaches heaven and God so displeased by
their arrogance, scatters them and confuses their
tongues. And thousands of years later, that story
really feels reborn and steel. A dream of climbing
heaven now recast as descent into creating the
atom and anti -matter and all these things we
were talking about tonight. I think, as you said,
as we're getting closer to the divine and thinning
that veil, it kind of reminds me of the story
of Babel. And then you wonder, maybe they build
it big enough. and God says no more and a big
boom happens and it's all said and done. Yeah,
dude. We'll have to do a deep dive on the Nimrod
and the tarot babble. Yeah, that's a good story.
All right. So what do you want to leave our audience
with tonight as we close it out? Yeah, man. Same
thing every week. It's been a long episode, so
I'll keep it short and sweet. Jesus love you.
We love you. I love you, brother. That's it.
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