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it's almost Halloween, I figured we'd go big

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tonight. We're talking about the ocean, the most

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haunted, mysterious place on earth. You've got

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ghost ships, disappearances, deep sea creatures

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that shouldn't exist, and maybe a few things

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the government doesn't want you to know about.

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So grab a drink, settle in, and let's get weird.

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The ocean covers more than 70 % of this planet's

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surface. And somehow, we've got better maps of

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Mars than we do our own seafloor. Think about

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that for a second. We've explored space more

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thoroughly than the world right beneath our feet.

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Since the beginning, humanity has been both drawn

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to and terrified by the sea. The first people

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to push beyond the safety of the shore were the

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Polynesian navigators, crossing entire oceans

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guided only by the stars, the currents, and the

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flight of birds. Thousands of years ago, the

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Egyptians sailed into the waters they believe

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were home to gods and monsters. The Greeks told

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stories of Poseidon's wrath. Norse imagined serpents

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coiled beneath the waves. To them, the ocean

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wasn't a landscape. It was alive, a living being,

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vast, hungry, and most importantly, unpredictable.

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Even after our maps filled in and our technology

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improved, the mystery never really left. Every

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generation thinks they've conquered the sea,

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and every generation still hears the same whispers.

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Ghost ships drifting without crew. Spectral light

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beneath the surface. Sonar shadows that move

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like something huge is down there. The sea remains

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the oldest unknown. and maybe the most dangerous.

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And tonight we're diving straight into that mystery.

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Ghost shifts adrift between life and death, spirits

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of the drowned trapped in restless tides, underwater

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alien bases, monsters that live in trenches deeper

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than light, and the secrets the ocean refuses

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to give up. We're here to explore the eerie,

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the strange, the suppressed, the things the surface

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world has forgotten. So strap in, check your

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compass, and take a deep dive into the haunted

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deep because the sea All right. So Jay, when

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it comes to the ocean, what's the one theory

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that really sticks with you? Yeah, brother. This

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is another one of those conspiracies that it's

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pretty vast and wide. There's so much information

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out there about what's in the ocean, what's not.

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I know one of the things that kind of stuck out

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to me is that I think we only have 5 % of the

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ocean mapped and we've only really explored about

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20 % of it. And that's mind blowing to think

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that we spent more time and energy going to the

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moon. sticking our telescopes out in space, take

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pictures of extra planetary objects, then really

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just explore what's deep beneath our oceans.

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So there's a lot of cool conspiracies. There's

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a lot of BS out there too. I'm not going to lie.

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I think you and I both ran across a bunch of

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stories, which you dig into and you realize pretty

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quick that they're either completely fabricated

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or they're being sold as something real. And

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it's just really somebody trying to get some

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clicks or get some attention. But in my opinion,

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I do love the idea of the lost civilizations

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under underneath the ocean. I think at one point

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in time, as sea levels rise and fall, a lot of

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these kind of coastal ancient civilizations get

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reclaimed by the ocean. And it always fascinates

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me to what's underneath there. And I'm just being

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a nerd here, but interesting fact that I did

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not know. If you had to guess how many documented

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shipwrecks do you think there are out there in

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the ocean? There's got to be thousands. Dude,

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three million that are just documented and they

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claim that's just a fraction of what They know

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about 3 million. I was in the hundred to 200

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,000 range. When I heard that 3 million number,

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I was like, Whoa, that is insane. One of the

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things you said was we have very little of our

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ocean mapped, but I read this interesting statistic

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that we have more of Mars mapped than we do our

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own ocean, which is pretty telling. I think a

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lot of people follow the money and the big picture

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thing is we want to land on Mars. We want to

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send people to Mars and people are willing to

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pay big bucks for it, but they're ignoring what's

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right under. their feet a lot of the time. And

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I think that's what's most interesting is what

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is here on planet earth and what are those things

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we haven't discovered. A lot of divers that have

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gone down in the last few years and the deeper

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we're able to go in these like titanium submersibles

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and through these underwater drones, they're

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already discovering new creatures and new species.

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And we know a lot of the times a lot of that

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good medicine comes from like the rainforest,

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perhaps some of it's on the bottom of the ocean

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as well. But now as we see Congress. us focusing

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on a lot of energy on UFOs. Something caught

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my eye this week when I was researching this

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topic. It was from Congressman Tim Burchett from

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Tennessee. In my opinion, he is one of the more

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outspoken voices in Congress when it comes to

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UFOs or as they are officially known UAPs or

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unidentified aerial phenomena. Doesn't quite

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fit for this subject. Kind of sounds weird to

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call them UAP because they're not flying. Perhaps

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they are racing through our waterways. Anyhow,

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Burchett has made headlines more than once for

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his fascination with UFOs. In a series of interviews

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recently, he claimed that a high -ranking naval

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officer, an admiral whose name he wouldn't tell

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us, told him about an object moving underwater

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at hundreds of miles an hour. And that's not

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just fast, that's physically impossible with

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known human technology. According to him, there

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might even be several hidden UFO bases along

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the coastline. As I continue down that pathway,

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it sounds a little bit more fantastical. Places

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where non -human intelligence could be operating

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out of sight right beneath our waves. The kind

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of statement that sounds straight out of the

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X -Files, but it came from an elected official

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sitting in a congressional meeting. Now, this

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isn't happening in a vacuum. Over the last couple

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of years, UFOs talk has really made its way from

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late night radio right into the halls of our

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government. Hearings have been held, whistleblowers

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have testified, and really public interest has

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exploded. Figures like Lauren Bobber have even

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asked experts in formal hearings in the U .S.

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government if they have evidence of UFO bases

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right under our ocean. The experts for the record

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said no, but the question itself tells you how

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mainstream that topic really has become in our

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society. Meanwhile, the Pentagon has really been

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trying to pour some cold water on the speculation,

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its investigative office for unexplained aerial

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maritime incidents, all the kind Domain Anomaly

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Resolution Office or the AARO really released

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an extensive review of decades of UFO claims

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and their conclusion, there's no verifiable evidence

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that alien craft or alien technology are in US

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possessions nor are they hidden on bases underground

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or even underwater. He said that most sightings

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eventually turn out to be drones, balloons, sensor

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glitches or atmospheric effects. His official

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position though hasn't stopped the rumors from

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thriving online or even the congressman. And

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it's pretty tallied. I don't know if you had

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an opportunity to look at that video online,

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but he's walking and talking with somebody and

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he has a lot of conviction that this thing is

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real and that he's seen it and it's come from

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a trusted source. Now moving a hundred miles

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underwater is fantastic. Cool. Because though

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we do have drones that go underwater or submarines

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or some type of submersible, they do not go that

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fast. So what could he be? talking about that's

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just off our coastlines, which even to me is

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a little bit more interesting. He's not saying

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they're out in the middle of the water or they're

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not out in the middle of the ocean. They're right

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off our shore, almost as if they're spying on

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us. Yeah, that's super interesting. Sometimes

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I wonder, I always think in terms of shadow government,

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because we know a lot of these electric officials,

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some of them are career politicians and some

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of them are in for four years now and you never

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see them again. I've always postulated that the

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people that actually run the government, the

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generals, the people that run these agencies,

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most of them are appointees that stick around

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forever. Those are the people that I think really

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know the truth. And I think a little bit stingy

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giving this information to even people like the

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current president or any sitting president, because

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it's kind of like a need to know basis. And if

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you're only going to be here for four to eight

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years or whatever the terms are for some of these

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senators and congressmen, you really don't need

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to know. We just need you to pass the bill, pass

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a budget bill so we get our money and our funding.

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So it's interesting that he claims that he's

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seen something. I assume he's never released

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his video. I guess he got it firsthand from somebody

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and it's just sitting around in some vault somewhere.

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Yeah. He's randomly walking down a street, which

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I presume is in DC talking to some. of reporter,

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and he's just talking about it willy -nilly.

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Now, my first inclination that this may be a

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false flag is because if he, in fact, did possess

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this intelligence, it would be under some type

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of classification. Like, he wouldn't be allowed

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to talk about it. But also, he looks very sane.

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It doesn't look like he's off his rocker either.

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He looks very like an intelligent, older man

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and has possibly in his 60s. I'm just, it's conjecture

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here, but that's what he looks like. So he looks

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pretty sane, but it also would go against classification

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and perhaps it would get him in trouble if some

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of... this information was real. And I don't

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know much, if anything, about this person from

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Tennessee, but there has been a lot of interest

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in UFOs. And with the interest, I tend to think,

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is it just trying to drive more funding? Is he

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trying to get more money to support this special

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initiative? You talk a lot about these shadow

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governments. I'm always of the belief that I

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feel like we will never hit World War III until

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it's like the apocalypse, because I believe this

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entire world is guided and managed and informed,

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everything that we do is dictated by the dollar

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because people just want to make money. And I

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get real tired of seeing it. People don't seem

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to have any more passion or calls or concern.

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Perhaps even some of the things that they're

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pumping up, whether it be like LGBTQ philosophy

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or whatever, is still usually supported by the

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money. And if the money ran out, they would switch

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sides really quickly. So it's always interesting

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to see. And I always have this kind of questionable

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edge against it. Yeah. I don't know. I often

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think back to the other world wars and I'm assuming.

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Even if you live during World War I or World

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War II, like you thought maybe this is the apocalypse.

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Maybe this is the end of times. I don't discount

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another war, like a World War possibly happening.

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And I think you're right about the money, but

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I know like Russia, China, India, they're all

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trying to create like a BRICS currency. So there's

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an active plan in motion with some of these other

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countries around the world, like China, to ultimately

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replace the U .S. dollar. I think that could

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potentially spark a World War because as soon

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as the dollar is not number one, I think most

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wars or banker's wars, they're just about money

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and they're about people. trying to take financial

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power and then using that financial power to

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control other parts of the world. I don't know.

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I think everyone thinks that they've, they're

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in the last generation. Personally, could ours

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be the last generation or kids? I don't know.

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But I think we've done plenty of episodes about

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technology and how it's advancing. I definitely

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think we're fast tracking on that route, whether

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or not that route is two or three years from

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now or 20 or 30 years from now. I do feel like

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we're knocking on the door at this point though.

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Yeah, we're getting real close and the wars that

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we usually hear about like US versus China. It's

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really about money. It's about precious materials.

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U .S., we might help Ukraine more, but... give

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us drilling rights or Russia is going to take

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it over because they want the national resources.

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So it always seems to come down to money in my

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mind. And that's my first inclination to start

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looking for when we start to hear some of these

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fantastical things. And then if you can convince

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people otherwise, Russia invaded Ukraine and

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they said it was because they're Nazis. Maybe

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there were some Nazis there, but that wasn't

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the real reason that they invaded. They were

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just trying to connect that World War II kind

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of pride to the invasion. It's about material

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and we're doing the same thing. Let's take. we

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can't support you. And there's some even claim

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that's why we went to the Middle East and fought

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two wars over there. I don't know if I always

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believe all of that, but I feel like a lot of

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the national pride and different things have

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died away over time. And most people are worried

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about their pocketbooks, but a little bit off

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track. So tonight, obviously we're still continuing

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down our little bit of a Halloween series as

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we're entering October, which is always a fun

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time. I live near the water and I look out on

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the water every day. There is just something.

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mystical about it. And you can't help to think

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about whether they're real things or made of

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things or conspiracies or possibilities. You

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just can't help to think about it when you stare

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out at the water. One of the most famous theories

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that it involves our ocean is that the Titanic.

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that never sank. Have you ever heard of this

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conspiracy? Briefly, I looked at it and I kicked

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it out the door, but I would love to hear more

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about it for sure. Sure. So the Titanic obviously

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isn't just one of history's greatest maritime

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disasters. It's one of the most enduring mysteries.

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When the unsinkable, the fortress of a ship went

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down in 1912, it took over 1500 lives and more

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than a century later, thousand unanswered questions

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remain. But in the darker corners of history

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and of the web, there's a theory. that the ship

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lying two miles beneath the Atlantic isn't the

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Titanic at all. The ideal goes like this. The

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Titanic was switched with her nearly identical

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sister ship, the Olympic, in a colossal insurance

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scam going wrong. Both ships were built by the

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White Star Line under the ownership of JP Morgan's

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International Mercantile Marine Company. The

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Olympic launched first in 1911 and then almost

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immediately ran into lots of trouble. During

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a naval exercise, she collided with the British

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warship HMS Hawk, tearing open her hull and damaging

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her keel. The accident was blamed on Olympic's

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design, not the Navy's, meaning White Star couldn't

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collect on insurance. The company was suddenly

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bleeding a ton of money. So as the theory tells

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it, the owners hatched a plan that would swap

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the ships. The damaged Olympic would be disguised

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as her new sister, the Titanic, given new fendings,

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renamed, and sent out to sea for a tragic accident

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that would allow the company to collect the full

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insurance payout. Meanwhile, the real Titanic,

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pristine and uninjured and perfect paint job,

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would quietly become the Olympic and continue

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sailing. Now, this sounds obviously outrageous,

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but for believers, the details add up. They point

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to photos showing differences in the number and

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spacing of the Titanic's portholes that seem

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to match the Olympics layout. They point to odd

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reports of shipyard workers painting over nameplates

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and refitting rooms between the two vessels.

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Survivors even mentioned hearing crew members

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refer to the ship as the Olympic by accident.

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And then there was JP Morgan himself. As we know

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him, the financial titan behind the White Star

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Line. He was scheduled to sail on Titanic's maiden

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voyage, but canceled at the very last minute.

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His luggage, private suite, and even his art

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collection were all offloaded from the ship,

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but he didn't show up. Other high -profile individuals,

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including industrialists close to Morgan, also

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mysteriously dropped out. Some of his fiercest

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rivals, however, men like John Jacob Astor In

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the conspiracy version of history, this wasn't

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a coincidence. It was simply a clean -up. The

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idea that sinking served multiple purposes. The

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first one was insurance fraud, but also the elimination

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of key financial opponents to Morgan's banking

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empire and the creation of conditions favorable

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for establishing the Federal Reserve the following

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year. The story turns out, from a maritime tragedy

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into a financial murder mystery. Then there's

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the ship itself. wreck. When explorers reached

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that Titanic's remains in 1985, they found serial

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numbers engraved on the propeller and engine

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components. Conspiracy theorists quickly claim

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these numbers matched Olympic's construction

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ID and not the Titanic's, though others have

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disputed that, and photographs from inside the

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wreck show small designs inconsistent that, believe

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or say, line up with the older ship. Now, of

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course, the skeptics in this matter counter that

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swapping two nearly 900 -foot ocean liners would

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have almost been impossible. to conceal. But

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those who live in the world of deep history and

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hidden hands, the Titanic Switch theory isn't

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about logistics. It's about motive, money, power,

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control, and the ability to rewrite reality from

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the docks of Belfast to the depths of the Atlantic,

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even outside the Switch theory. To me, the Titanic

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carries the aura of secrecy. Some say the iceberg

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story doesn't hold up at all, that the ship exploded

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from within or broke apart before impact. Others

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suggest there was a fire in the coal bunker.

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that wink at the hall long before she hit the

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ice. There are whispers of cursed mummies, ghostly

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omens, even predictions in fiction. So, whether

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you see it as a coincidence, prophecy, or proof

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of something larger, the Titanic's story has

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become less about a single ship and more about

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what it represents. is that the Titanic was actually

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sunk by a German U -boat trying to provoke Britain

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into the war, which I guess I could see how you

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could draw that conclusion. There are some firsthand

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accounts of people seeing weird movement in the

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ocean, but you're on a lifeboat and you're seeing

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a freaking ginormous ship sink. Of course, there's

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gonna be strange bubbles, the gas pockets being

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released, whatever's on the ship is starting

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to bounce to the surface. I kind of discount

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that theory pretty immediately. But I do think

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it's interesting that there are several very

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wealthy industrial Titans that were scheduled

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to sail off on the Titanic. And at the last minute

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they didn't go on the trip. And it's also interesting

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that some of these people's arch nemesis, some

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of their competitors did go. And if there is

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a conspiracy behind that, which I think the ship

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hit an iceberg, whether or not it was a Titanic

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or not, I could see how somebody could take a

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bus at ship and not want to repair it. And I

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could see the argument, but I do think it's interesting

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that certain particular people didn't make the

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ride. Others did. Seems like an awful convenient

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way to... get rid of your competition without

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having to do anything too crazy, even though

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sinking a ship is about as crazy as it gets.

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It's a hell of a coincidence. And it really worked

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out for JP Morgan during that time. The one reason

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why I don't buy into that theory too much is

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that I'm assuming that the people that died in

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the water or died on the ship, their family members

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likely sued the owner, which was JP Morgan Chase.

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They likely had to pay an insurance payout anyways.

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Perhaps it was lower than the cost of replacing

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a ship altogether, but I don't think they escape

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litigation. So yeah, there were some lawsuits

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after the sinking of Titanic. They were filed

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obviously against the white star line, but not

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as many as people would think. The white star

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line had established a process for compensating

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their victims, but many survivors and families

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of the dead felt they were offered far too little.

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But I think when it all was said and done, I

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think most of the claims were settled for a total

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of $664 ,000, which is about $18 million in today's

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money, which I would imagine if a cruise ship

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sank today, you're looking at billions, not millions

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in settlements. Yeah, that's true. They cost

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probably, what, $200 million? Then the Titanic

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or the Olympic had a lot of fine art and they

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were like decked out to the gills with trying

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to impress fancy people. I don't know what the

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Titanic cost, but it was a huge astronomical

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sum, but it sounds like it would surpass that.

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So I guess if it did happen, I guess there was

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motivation there of trying to cover it up, but

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I find it hard to believe that you can switch

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these two massive ships. Somebody would see these

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ships moving around as people are all excited

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to board them. The other one theory that you

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brought up about the Germans sinking the Titanic.

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I've not heard that conspiracy, but it's pretty

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interesting. Nobody ever claimed that from, obviously,

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from the German side. So I don't know what the

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motivation would be if they're trying to goat

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somebody into a war. So in May 7, 1915, a German

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nude boat did shoot a torpedo at the Lusitania

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and ended up killing 1 ,200 people. So this was

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around the time of World War I, and the Germans

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declared the waters around Great Britain a war

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zone. And they did announce that they would sink

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any ship neutral or otherwise that entered the

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area. And they stuck to their words. I could

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see how someone could make that conclusion because

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it wasn't what three years after the fact and

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that does make sense I don't believe it per se

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I feel like a torpedo hitting a boat is a lot

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different than scraping across a massive iceberg

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both are traumatic but I think one happens a

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little bit faster in terms of the damage and

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the fire and all the explosions. As far as I

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recount, there was no fires on the Titanic. It

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simply ripped a big hole in its hull, and the

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chambers of the boat slowly filled up, causing

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it to capsize and split in half before it ultimately

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sank. But I would think a torpedo would cause

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a lot of fiery explosions from whatever was on

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that ship. Yeah, it's a good point. And my history

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lessons are a little bit fuzzy between 1912 and

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1950 and World War I. I really started getting

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arrested in World War II, and I researched a

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lot of topics about that. But it sounds plausible.

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but not possible in the realm of theories. Did

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they claim it? Did they say, hey, we told you

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so and we blew you out of the water? The Lusitania

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they did, of course, definitely claimed it. I

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thought you referred to the Titanic. No, they

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never made a claim on the Titanic. No. No. The

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story you were telling about the Lusitania. So

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I was just curious, like, if they claimed that

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one, then why wouldn't they have claimed the

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second one? I don't know if there was peace.

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I'm real fuzzy when the war ended. Yeah, the

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war didn't start until 1914. So that would have

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been two years. The sinking of the Titanic would

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have been two years before. World War I started.

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Doesn't mean they weren't being jerks to each

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other though, so. Yeah. We see a lot of that

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today. I think there's at least one country that

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we live in are blowing up boats in the water.

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Yeah. Right, bro. So I'm going to talk about

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one more theory in reference to the Titanic that

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I found really interesting. Again, I don't know

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if it's possible, but I thought it was interesting.

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There is a theory, quiet and scientific and what

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they call unnervingly plausible that the Titanic

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didn't just jive by ice. It died by fire, not

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fire on board, but one burning 93 million miles

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away. on the surface of the sun. In April of

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1912, the Titanic obviously sank. And at that

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time, the Earth's magnetic field was being bombarded

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by one of the largest solar storms of the early

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20th century. Modern researchers, looking back

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at archived geomagnetic data, noticed something

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strange. A spike, an unmistakable fingerprint

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of a solar flare and a corneal mass injection

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striking Earth's atmosphere. It was strong enough

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to cause visible auroras as far south as the

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Caribbean. And for hours, ship compasses across

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the North... may have been off in their navigation

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purposes. Now picture this, the Titanic, steaming

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through an ocean full of ice warnings, is relying

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on compasses and wireless signals to navigate.

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But the instruments are lying. Even a one to

00:24:39.579 --> 00:24:42.380
two degree deviation could nudge the ship several

00:24:42.380 --> 00:24:45.059
miles off course, right into the path of an iceberg.

00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:47.819
Some researchers propose that the same solar

00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:51.220
storm might also explain why the wireless distress

00:24:51.220 --> 00:24:54.180
calls that night were such a chaotic mess. The

00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:56.859
Titanic's operators, Jack Phillips and Harold

00:24:56.859 --> 00:25:00.640
Bride, famously sent repeated SOS signals, but

00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.480
nearby ships like the Californian either didn't

00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.339
receive them or heard them too late. The geomagnetic

00:25:06.339 --> 00:25:09.339
surge could have disrupted radio transmissions,

00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.819
blocking critical signals or bouncing them unpredictably

00:25:12.819 --> 00:25:15.660
across the ionosphere. The FLIR theory waves

00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:18.059
these anomalies together. The navigational errors,

00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:20.900
the radio interference, the timing of the event

00:25:20.900 --> 00:25:23.160
itself. It even fits eyewitness accounts. at

00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:25.819
that time. Survivors described the sky glowing

00:25:25.819 --> 00:25:28.200
strangely that night, a faint green shimmer above

00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:30.740
the horizon, which could have been the aurora

00:25:30.740 --> 00:25:33.920
borealis, visibly unusually far south, thanks

00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:36.900
to the same geomagnetic storm. If that's true,

00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:40.039
then the Titanic was not just undone by human

00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:42.900
arrogance or this icy fate, but the sun itself.

00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:45.980
A chain reaction started days earlier when a

00:25:45.980 --> 00:25:48.259
solar flare erupted from the star's surface,

00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:50.900
sending billions of tons of charged plasma racing

00:25:50.900 --> 00:25:52.329
towards the earth. By the time those When those

00:25:52.329 --> 00:25:54.470
particles reached the planet, the Titanic was

00:25:54.470 --> 00:25:56.289
already underway. There was no warning system

00:25:56.289 --> 00:25:59.529
for solar activity in 1912. No way to know that

00:25:59.529 --> 00:26:02.750
an invisible wave of cosmic energy was distorting

00:26:02.750 --> 00:26:05.309
compasses, scrambling their radio waves, and

00:26:05.309 --> 00:26:07.410
quietly rewriting their fate. And here's where

00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:09.990
it gets a little bit darker. Imagine the captain

00:26:09.990 --> 00:26:12.529
and crew, confident in their navigation, unaware

00:26:12.529 --> 00:26:15.130
that the very instruments guiding them were being

00:26:15.130 --> 00:26:17.950
bent by a force beyond human control. The iceberg

00:26:17.950 --> 00:26:20.630
wasn't destiny, it was a side effect. The ship

00:26:20.630 --> 00:26:22.690
might not have been in the iceberg's pathway

00:26:22.690 --> 00:26:26.109
at all, not for that magnetic push from the solar

00:26:26.109 --> 00:26:28.710
storm. When you think about it, that theory feels

00:26:28.710 --> 00:26:31.849
poetic. The Titanic, a symbol of human achievement,

00:26:32.250 --> 00:26:35.930
undone by hubris alone, but by nature at its

00:26:35.930 --> 00:26:38.829
most cosmetic. Not by what we built, but by the

00:26:38.829 --> 00:26:41.789
star that made us. So maybe in quiet... calculus

00:26:41.789 --> 00:26:44.250
of history, the Titanic wasn't just struck by

00:26:44.250 --> 00:26:47.069
ice, perhaps it was struck by the sun. Now to

00:26:47.069 --> 00:26:49.369
me, it's plausible. Like we have those solar

00:26:49.369 --> 00:26:51.710
storms today. They usually interfere, whether

00:26:51.710 --> 00:26:55.009
it be with satellites, navigation, they interfere

00:26:55.009 --> 00:26:58.349
with our electronic equipment and they do cause

00:26:58.349 --> 00:27:01.930
the Ouroborialis in the sky. Usually it's over

00:27:01.930 --> 00:27:04.230
the towards the Nordic or the cold countries,

00:27:04.269 --> 00:27:06.029
but every once in a while you can even see it

00:27:06.029 --> 00:27:08.589
here in the United States when a solar flare

00:27:08.589 --> 00:27:10.390
pops on the radar. So what do you think about

00:27:10.390 --> 00:27:13.509
that? Maybe the engineers and navigators didn't

00:27:13.509 --> 00:27:15.410
make all the mistakes. Perhaps they were trusting

00:27:15.410 --> 00:27:17.109
the wrong equipment when they struck the iceberg.

00:27:17.589 --> 00:27:19.450
I still think you can see an iceberg if you're

00:27:19.450 --> 00:27:22.809
paying attention. From what I gather, they purposely

00:27:22.809 --> 00:27:25.210
sailed into it. So they wanted to break like

00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:27.529
a speed record and they wanted to get from...

00:27:27.529 --> 00:27:29.890
where they're leaving in Southampton to, I think

00:27:29.890 --> 00:27:32.049
it was going to New York, I could be wrong. But

00:27:32.049 --> 00:27:34.190
I think they did it because they wanted publicity

00:27:34.190 --> 00:27:37.029
and they wanted to show how incredible this ship

00:27:37.029 --> 00:27:39.690
is. A couple other theories, and I wouldn't even

00:27:39.690 --> 00:27:41.410
call these conspiracy, I guess technically. they

00:27:41.410 --> 00:27:43.930
meet the definition of conspiracy, which I think

00:27:43.930 --> 00:27:46.930
are probably 95 % accurate. You ever hear of

00:27:46.930 --> 00:27:49.170
the cool fire theory? So essentially what that

00:27:49.170 --> 00:27:51.329
is, is that there's strong evidence that there

00:27:51.329 --> 00:27:53.349
was a bunker fire that was burning inside of

00:27:53.349 --> 00:27:55.329
the Titanic before it left South Hampton. So

00:27:55.329 --> 00:27:58.170
there are plenty of photos taken beforehand that

00:27:58.170 --> 00:28:00.250
kind of show like this blackened area on the

00:28:00.250 --> 00:28:02.849
ship's hall where the fire was burning. And a

00:28:02.849 --> 00:28:05.509
bunch of survivors and some engineers later testified

00:28:05.509 --> 00:28:07.529
that the fire was still being fought even after

00:28:07.529 --> 00:28:10.269
the ship set sail. As you can imagine, steel.

00:28:10.410 --> 00:28:13.210
As it heats up, it starts to become more malleable.

00:28:13.349 --> 00:28:16.349
And they think this was probably the cause as

00:28:16.349 --> 00:28:19.069
to why it sank so catastrophically because the

00:28:19.069 --> 00:28:21.950
steel was weak, malleable, was starting to become

00:28:21.950 --> 00:28:24.509
flexible. And when the iceberg hit it, the hole

00:28:24.509 --> 00:28:26.029
that it ripped into the side of the ship was

00:28:26.029 --> 00:28:28.009
so much more catastrophic than it otherwise would

00:28:28.009 --> 00:28:30.069
have been. Otherwise it may have been able to

00:28:30.069 --> 00:28:32.130
sustain and the pump houses may have been able

00:28:32.130 --> 00:28:34.069
to keep up with the water as they got to safety.

00:28:34.529 --> 00:28:36.390
And all this is because they wanted to make these

00:28:36.390 --> 00:28:38.730
headlines, man. People cutting corners and safety

00:28:38.730 --> 00:28:40.829
and there's a bunch of. hubris about how the

00:28:40.829 --> 00:28:42.910
ship is unsinkable. And there was some pretty

00:28:42.910 --> 00:28:45.329
good evidence too, that they had poor quality

00:28:45.329 --> 00:28:47.329
rivets and they were doing that to cut costs.

00:28:47.410 --> 00:28:50.230
And at the end of the day, there was like a whitewashing

00:28:50.230 --> 00:28:53.589
of the events. The official British inquiry cleared

00:28:53.589 --> 00:28:55.990
the white star line of criminal negligence, which,

00:28:56.089 --> 00:28:58.549
you know, money talks. And I'm sure Brits didn't

00:28:58.549 --> 00:29:01.470
want to have that on their record of one of their

00:29:01.470 --> 00:29:03.569
big companies sailing. At one point in time,

00:29:03.569 --> 00:29:05.650
they were masters of the sea and you don't want

00:29:05.650 --> 00:29:08.549
that on your record. And they portrayed Captain

00:29:08.549 --> 00:29:11.039
Smith. the guy who went down with the ship, portrayed

00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:13.779
him as a hero and also the officers that were

00:29:13.779 --> 00:29:15.940
with him. So there was really never any blame

00:29:15.940 --> 00:29:18.240
cast anywhere. And the whole thing was whitewashed.

00:29:18.500 --> 00:29:20.480
And it's just a national tragedy that I think

00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.339
it comes down to, like you said earlier, the

00:29:22.339 --> 00:29:24.579
mighty dollar. People in this case were trying

00:29:24.579 --> 00:29:26.559
not to lose money. So they were cutting costs

00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.839
and taking safety for granted by not putting

00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.339
the lifeboats on and not delaying the departure

00:29:31.339 --> 00:29:33.339
because of potential financial losses because

00:29:33.339 --> 00:29:35.279
of a fire that was burning in one of the coal

00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.440
bunkers. It's just crazy stuff, dude. powered

00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.359
by coal. I always think about the old coal powered

00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.259
trains from back in the day where guys are shoveling

00:29:44.259 --> 00:29:47.039
the coal into the massive fire to make the train

00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.880
go faster and faster. When you talk about the

00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.039
speed that you're trying to set and a massive

00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.500
fire potentially sinking the ship reminds me

00:29:54.500 --> 00:29:56.460
of that. And what do you do to get something

00:29:56.460 --> 00:29:58.799
faster? You give it more energy and energy is

00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.640
coal. Perhaps they were trying to make it go

00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:02.880
so fast that they had started to have critical

00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.400
failures or an uncontrolled fire. I could see

00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:07.859
where that's very plausible. And Perhaps there

00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:10.279
was like a series of failures. It seems very

00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:13.420
weird to me, regardless if there's a solar flare

00:30:13.420 --> 00:30:15.640
coming down that's messing with your navigation

00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.180
instruments. Maybe it's a really foggy night.

00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:20.579
I think we've all seen that Titanic movie with

00:30:20.579 --> 00:30:23.079
Leonardo DiCaprio. I know I was in high school

00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:24.940
and I took my girlfriend to it and it was a two

00:30:24.940 --> 00:30:26.940
hour horrible movie. I was forced to set through

00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:29.779
it. We've all seen it. And obviously during this

00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:31.880
time, there were heroes that tried to save folks,

00:30:31.900 --> 00:30:33.599
even if they made a lot of critical mistakes

00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:35.799
along the way. But man, I just feel like there

00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:37.670
must've been a series series of critical mistakes.

00:30:37.910 --> 00:30:40.450
So perhaps a fire started, they lost steering

00:30:40.450 --> 00:30:43.009
of the ship somehow after that critical fire.

00:30:43.269 --> 00:30:45.529
And then even though they saw the iceberg, there

00:30:45.529 --> 00:30:47.490
wasn't much they could do about it. Their fate

00:30:47.490 --> 00:30:49.809
was laid out before them and they crashed into

00:30:49.809 --> 00:30:51.710
and that's ultimately what undid everything.

00:30:51.809 --> 00:30:54.069
But I could see that kind of like chain of events

00:30:54.069 --> 00:30:55.930
occurring that ultimately led to the sinking.

00:30:55.990 --> 00:30:59.210
Cause I can't see is experienced navigators and

00:30:59.210 --> 00:31:01.170
somebody that's obviously must've hired some

00:31:01.170 --> 00:31:03.410
of the best to ride their big, beautiful machines

00:31:03.410 --> 00:31:06.430
and to just crash into an iceberg. of the weather

00:31:06.430 --> 00:31:08.970
seems a little bit hokey to me, unless they were

00:31:08.970 --> 00:31:11.430
drunk and enjoying a good party on the ship and

00:31:11.430 --> 00:31:13.190
just weren't paying any attention. Otherwise,

00:31:13.230 --> 00:31:14.630
it seems a little bit hokey. It seems like they

00:31:14.630 --> 00:31:16.309
would have saw it come in course corrected and

00:31:16.309 --> 00:31:18.269
they would have been fine. But perhaps it was

00:31:18.269 --> 00:31:20.809
a series of just unfortunate events and their

00:31:20.809 --> 00:31:22.670
fate was laid out before them. Yeah, a lot of

00:31:22.670 --> 00:31:24.910
stuff. But man, I feel like, I know we're talking

00:31:24.910 --> 00:31:27.730
about the Titanic, but man, that topic has been

00:31:27.730 --> 00:31:31.650
beat up back and forth. I think we know what

00:31:31.650 --> 00:31:33.869
happened. I don't think it was a U -boat. I don't

00:31:33.869 --> 00:31:36.880
think it was, ugh. Curse mummy. That's another

00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.380
silly one, but I guess I should touch on it since

00:31:39.380 --> 00:31:42.680
I've opened my big mouth, but apparently That's

00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.440
a good one for Halloween. That one sounds fun.

00:31:44.859 --> 00:31:48.160
Yeah, so apparently the claim is that they were

00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.519
transporting a curse mummy aboard and it was

00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:53.740
the Titanic suck because of a mummy curse and

00:31:53.740 --> 00:31:55.839
we've heard of mummy curses before where guys

00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.619
are exploring the pyramids and they touch these

00:31:57.619 --> 00:31:59.559
mummies or start digging them off and next thing

00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.339
they die of some mysterious illness within day

00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:05.619
or two, but yeah, I think that one's But happy

00:32:05.619 --> 00:32:08.279
Halloween. The conspiracies always start somewhere.

00:32:08.539 --> 00:32:10.819
I read a story a long time ago, and I may chop

00:32:10.819 --> 00:32:14.079
up the details here, but the very wealthy people

00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.119
back in the day used to consume mummies. I don't

00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:18.779
know if they snorted them or ate them or what,

00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:20.740
but it believed it would heal them. I heard that,

00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:22.920
dude. That's so gross. It's so gross. Perhaps

00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:24.480
because there are so many wealthy people and

00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:25.819
they're like, let's bring a big mummy. We're

00:32:25.819 --> 00:32:28.640
going to do lines, mummy lines across the deck.

00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.059
I wonder if it was a giant mummy. That'd be cool.

00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:37.549
Yeah. So we're talking about monsters and there's

00:32:37.549 --> 00:32:41.369
a lot of stories about monsters connected to

00:32:41.369 --> 00:32:43.970
the sea. There is one very famous one locally

00:32:43.970 --> 00:32:47.410
to me that is called Chessy. Chessy is the kind

00:32:47.410 --> 00:32:49.869
of the Leviathan of the Bay. And I go to some

00:32:49.869 --> 00:32:52.390
coffee shops local to me and you see a painted

00:32:52.390 --> 00:32:55.130
on sides of buildings. It's very famous. And

00:32:55.130 --> 00:32:57.410
the Chesapeake Bay really isn't known for monsters.

00:32:57.710 --> 00:33:01.150
It's known for watermen, crab pots, and quiet

00:33:01.150 --> 00:33:04.049
sounds of tides against the old piers that are

00:33:04.049 --> 00:33:07.230
always falling down in every storm. It's a place

00:33:07.230 --> 00:33:09.509
where the horizon is pretty flat, there's not

00:33:09.509 --> 00:33:12.089
a lot of hills, and the air hums with this like

00:33:12.089 --> 00:33:14.210
humidity, the fog and everything's rolling in.

00:33:14.250 --> 00:33:16.470
Every morning you can hear the fog horns on the

00:33:16.470 --> 00:33:18.849
ships blowing out. But ask anyone who's lived

00:33:18.849 --> 00:33:21.470
here long enough and they'll tell you a story

00:33:21.470 --> 00:33:24.029
about something that lives under the surface

00:33:24.029 --> 00:33:26.829
of the water, something that doesn't belong to

00:33:26.829 --> 00:33:29.589
this century, maybe not even to this world. They

00:33:29.589 --> 00:33:31.950
call it Chessy, not the cuddly cartoon mascot

00:33:31.950 --> 00:33:34.400
on local bumper sticker. but the real chest.

00:33:34.539 --> 00:33:36.900
The one whispered about on docks after midnight

00:33:36.900 --> 00:33:39.460
when the wind goes still and the bay looks like

00:33:39.460 --> 00:33:42.160
a mirror. The first stories go back nearly 100

00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.619
years. Fishermen out of Baltimore, sailors out

00:33:44.619 --> 00:33:47.500
of North Folk, crabbers in small skiffs, all

00:33:47.500 --> 00:33:50.019
telling the same and possible thing. A long dark

00:33:50.019 --> 00:33:52.380
shape rising and rolling through the water 30

00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:54.960
feet or more from head to tail. Some said it

00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:57.539
had humps. Others said they had like a horse

00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:59.799
or a serpent. None of them could really explain

00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.140
it and none of them forgot it. In the spring

00:34:02.140 --> 00:34:05.799
of 19 - A Maryland couple caught it on film,

00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.219
a home video camera trembling in their hands

00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:10.780
as something moved through the bay with this

00:34:10.780 --> 00:34:13.340
impossible grace, rising and dipping, coiling

00:34:13.340 --> 00:34:15.579
and vanishing. The video is pretty damn grainy,

00:34:15.739 --> 00:34:18.539
but the motion is unmistakable, too fluid for

00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:21.880
a log, too organic for a wave, and too strange

00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:23.940
to be nothing. People laughed at first, they

00:34:23.940 --> 00:34:26.420
always do, but the sightings kept coming from

00:34:26.420 --> 00:34:29.739
boaters, from pilots, from beach goers along

00:34:29.739 --> 00:34:33.119
the Kent Island shores. mahogany river. Some

00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.039
solid at dawn, others at night, always alone,

00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.380
always in silence. Locals say Chessie's been

00:34:39.380 --> 00:34:42.719
here longer than our lighthouses, that she's

00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.099
tied to the spirit of the bay itself, the dark

00:34:45.099 --> 00:34:48.239
brackish heat where fresh water meets the salt,

00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.159
where visibility drops and the world turns as

00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:54.159
green and cold. Some say she's centennial. a

00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.199
guardian of the deep, born from the same chaos

00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.300
that gave us Leviathan. Others whisper she's

00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:02.739
a survivor, the last of something ancient left

00:35:02.739 --> 00:35:05.820
behind when the world moved on. And then there

00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:07.960
are the stranger theories, that Chessie isn't

00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.699
just an animal itself, but a signal, an emissary

00:35:10.699 --> 00:35:13.679
from beneath, connected to the same unseen network

00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.139
of energy that powers the oceans deep as anomalies.

00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:18.619
Some tire to the rumors of the underwater bases

00:35:18.619 --> 00:35:21.280
off the coast, the same kind that Congressman

00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.309
Burchette and others hinted at. Maybe Chessy

00:35:24.309 --> 00:35:26.590
isn't a creature we're meant to catch. Maybe

00:35:26.590 --> 00:35:28.730
she's one we're meant to notice. Because there

00:35:28.730 --> 00:35:31.349
really is something unnerving about her consistency.

00:35:31.670 --> 00:35:34.210
Same description, same motion, and same zones

00:35:34.210 --> 00:35:37.010
over all of these decades. Folklore shouldn't

00:35:37.010 --> 00:35:39.730
be that precise. Mis -evolve and stories change.

00:35:40.090 --> 00:35:43.070
Chessy doesn't. She just is. And maybe that's

00:35:43.070 --> 00:35:45.570
what scares people. Not that she exists, but

00:35:45.570 --> 00:35:47.690
that she doesn't care if we believe. She's a

00:35:47.690 --> 00:35:51.349
reminder that even here in a bay lined with suburban

00:35:51.349 --> 00:35:54.059
lights and naval stations, the abyss still leaks

00:35:54.059 --> 00:35:56.480
through we like to think we've mapped everything

00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:58.659
that the age of monsters really has ended and

00:35:58.659 --> 00:36:01.260
the maps have all filled in every once in a while

00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:03.800
when i'm sitting on my dock looking at the water

00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.099
the air does go cold perhaps someone's seeing

00:36:06.099 --> 00:36:09.079
her again dark and silent and watching and perhaps

00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:12.239
for a moment you realize that leviathan is still

00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.460
among us scary stuff man did they say what the

00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:16.800
this picture these sightings did they say what

00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.539
they saw other than was it like the Loch Ness

00:36:19.539 --> 00:36:22.000
monster where it has this big dinosaur looking

00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.579
neck coming out or what was the description of

00:36:24.579 --> 00:36:27.219
those pictures? Yeah. I looked at the video probably

00:36:27.219 --> 00:36:30.159
about a year ago from 1982. And then obviously

00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.340
as you just listen to people's description of

00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:34.300
her, she's very much like the Loch Ness monster.

00:36:34.460 --> 00:36:37.139
Very consistent, long neck. It almost looks like

00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:39.019
a dinosaur. What did they call it? Was it the

00:36:39.019 --> 00:36:40.719
bronchiosaurus? They had the long neck. They

00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:43.179
ate the leaves and shit. It almost looks like

00:36:43.179 --> 00:36:45.920
that. Yeah, I used to be obsessed with the dinosaurs

00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.880
as a kid, and I forgot all their names. Yeah,

00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:50.360
but it almost looks like that, like halfway cut

00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.280
off with the long neck and stuff. It's very interesting.

00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.780
If you read the Bible, too, they talk about leviathan.

00:36:55.900 --> 00:36:58.440
So it's not a mystical beast. It is a real beast

00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.820
as well. Yeah, it's interesting because I like

00:37:00.820 --> 00:37:03.539
deep diving the Bible and looking at like the

00:37:03.539 --> 00:37:07.059
root Hebrew words that like the original writers

00:37:07.059 --> 00:37:09.599
would use. And obviously we're translating these

00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.119
words, some of them from like our cultural perspective

00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.699
and some of them are being translated ignoring

00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:17.420
the cultural perspective back in the day. And

00:37:17.420 --> 00:37:20.539
in Genesis five, and this has to do with Leviathan.

00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:22.460
And this might be something for a much deeper

00:37:22.460 --> 00:37:24.619
dive. I played around looking at it the past

00:37:24.619 --> 00:37:26.940
week. I didn't really get too far with it. But

00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:29.780
when you look at Genesis on day five, when God

00:37:29.780 --> 00:37:32.500
was doing his creation, Genesis chapter one,

00:37:32.539 --> 00:37:34.579
verse 20 said, God said, I command the ocean

00:37:34.579 --> 00:37:36.579
to be full of living creatures. I command the

00:37:36.579 --> 00:37:38.619
birds to fly above the earth. So God made the

00:37:38.619 --> 00:37:40.599
giant sea monsters and all the living creatures

00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:44.250
that swim in the ocean. Giant sea monsters. What?

00:37:44.670 --> 00:37:47.309
And the Hebrew word for that is tenin and it

00:37:47.309 --> 00:37:50.369
translates to sea monsters, dragon or serpent.

00:37:50.829 --> 00:37:55.070
So the Leviathan is very interesting and we'll

00:37:55.070 --> 00:37:58.030
touch on it here. But God, what does that mean

00:37:58.030 --> 00:38:00.630
to me? I know some people refer to Leviathan

00:38:00.630 --> 00:38:03.369
as like a whale. Some people say crocodile. A

00:38:03.369 --> 00:38:05.909
lot of theologians have kicked the crocodile

00:38:05.909 --> 00:38:07.929
and alligator out the door because it really

00:38:07.929 --> 00:38:10.150
doesn't fit the description. But I just think

00:38:10.150 --> 00:38:12.869
it's super interesting that God He said he created

00:38:12.869 --> 00:38:15.550
sea monsters. And I don't know, man, you go with

00:38:15.550 --> 00:38:18.489
that as you may. And that Tannion is also used

00:38:18.489 --> 00:38:20.789
for the term dragon. And we know there's a ton

00:38:20.789 --> 00:38:23.329
of references to the dragon, be it Satan, Lucifer.

00:38:23.630 --> 00:38:25.909
There's also the word the Hosh, which means serpent.

00:38:26.130 --> 00:38:28.010
If you look at the translations in the Bible,

00:38:28.190 --> 00:38:31.829
from what I gather, the term the Hosh was used

00:38:31.829 --> 00:38:34.750
as the quote unquote serf that tempted Eve. And

00:38:34.750 --> 00:38:37.650
I'm wondering if the Leviathan is an actual physical

00:38:37.650 --> 00:38:39.929
creature, which according to the word of God,

00:38:39.929 --> 00:38:43.099
it looks like it is. I also think it's used in

00:38:43.099 --> 00:38:45.760
terms of allegory. So it's just an interesting

00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.500
little tidbit there. And I don't think we were

00:38:48.500 --> 00:38:50.460
prepared to have an in -depth conversation about

00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:53.300
Leviathan. And I think even cross -culturally,

00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:56.039
there's a lot of myths and legends that maybe

00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.659
don't use the term Leviathan per se, but uses

00:38:58.659 --> 00:39:01.940
the term Kraken and some other type mythological

00:39:01.940 --> 00:39:03.980
terms for this. But I don't know, man, it's in

00:39:03.980 --> 00:39:06.139
the Bible, so something's out there. Whether

00:39:06.139 --> 00:39:08.360
or not it's dead or alive, who knows? That's

00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:10.380
part of a deep dive we'll have to do later. I

00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:12.900
think it's a super interesting topic. In the

00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:16.420
Hebrew Bible, the Leviathan isn't just a big

00:39:16.420 --> 00:39:19.019
fish. It's really a primordial being, a serpent

00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:22.119
of the sea born from chaos itself. Its first

00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.639
appearance is in the book of Job, chapter 41,

00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.280
where God describes it very directly. Can you

00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.780
draw out a Leviathan with a hook? His scales

00:39:29.780 --> 00:39:32.940
are his pride, shut up together as with a close

00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:35.920
seal. Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and

00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:38.719
sparks of fires leap out. And here, Leviathan

00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:40.920
is not a metaphor. It's really divine terror.

00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.579
Its body is described as armor, its breath as

00:39:43.579 --> 00:39:47.360
flame, his heart as stone. God alone can subdue

00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:49.619
it. The message is cosmic. There are forces in

00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:52.059
creation that exist beyond human control and

00:39:52.059 --> 00:39:55.480
beyond even our understanding. In Psalms, Leviathan

00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:58.300
is called the dragon that dwells in the sea.

00:39:58.329 --> 00:40:01.289
And in Isaiah, it's foretold in the end of times.

00:40:01.449 --> 00:40:04.710
The Lord will punish Leviathan, the fleeing serpent,

00:40:04.849 --> 00:40:07.489
Leviathan, the twisted serpent. He will slay

00:40:07.489 --> 00:40:10.730
the dragon that is in the sea. You know, here,

00:40:10.849 --> 00:40:13.250
Leviathan isn't just a creature. It's also a

00:40:13.250 --> 00:40:16.090
symbol of chaos, destruction, and rebellion against

00:40:16.090 --> 00:40:19.389
God's divine order. It's the ocean given in a

00:40:19.389 --> 00:40:22.030
mind and a will, and like the living embodiment

00:40:22.030 --> 00:40:25.010
that is unattainable. What I saw was that ancient

00:40:25.010 --> 00:40:27.760
Jewish mystics went further. They believed that

00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.360
there were two leviathans, male and female, created

00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.619
during the dawn of the world. God fearing they

00:40:32.619 --> 00:40:35.300
would multiply and destroy all life, killed the

00:40:35.300 --> 00:40:38.099
female and pregripped her flesh as food for the

00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:40.420
righteous in the end of days. And the male was

00:40:40.420 --> 00:40:42.880
left to hunt the abast immortal and waiting.

00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.599
Later in the book of Enoch, writings really turn

00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.460
leviathan into this kind of cosmic being. One

00:40:48.460 --> 00:40:52.059
half of the ultimately polarity alongside a behemoth,

00:40:52.380 --> 00:40:55.579
the monstrous land creature and Ziz, the bird

00:40:55.579 --> 00:40:58.860
of heavens. formed these three primal beasts

00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:01.300
of the earth, sea, and sky. Force is meant to

00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:03.679
balance creation, but threatening to overturn

00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.159
it. Obviously it's something, and as you said,

00:41:06.219 --> 00:41:09.760
the Bible talks and symbolism a lot of the time,

00:41:09.780 --> 00:41:12.280
but what you can associate with the Leviathan

00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.599
is evil. And you see these reports all over the

00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.039
world, people talking about the same or very

00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.179
similar type of beast. I know there's a very

00:41:20.179 --> 00:41:22.519
famous one in Ireland that people talk about

00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.639
all the time, but the same kind of chassis beast

00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.000
tends to show up all around the world and people

00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.559
having these similar experiences. I don't know

00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.400
personally, like obviously God said it exists.

00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.440
So I believe that it exists, but I don't know

00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:36.059
exactly what it is. I don't know if they're just

00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:38.840
talking about this is where like Satan or evil

00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.880
dwells, but in the Bible, there is a lot of symbolism

00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.579
with water and destruction, obviously destruction

00:41:45.579 --> 00:41:48.179
Noah's time, but also destruction revelations

00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:50.300
when the sea essentially boils and everything

00:41:50.300 --> 00:41:53.059
is killed within it. So it is a peaceful lot

00:41:53.059 --> 00:41:56.170
of people go to the ocean or to body. of water

00:41:56.170 --> 00:41:58.269
to find peace. It's one of the reasons I live

00:41:58.269 --> 00:42:00.070
on the water is because just looking out at the

00:42:00.070 --> 00:42:02.449
water brings me a lot of peace and makes me feel

00:42:02.449 --> 00:42:04.929
the most closer to God as I go out there to pray

00:42:04.929 --> 00:42:07.210
or what have you. It gives me the peace I need

00:42:07.210 --> 00:42:09.929
to raising two small kids, running a large business,

00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:12.210
running a podcast. It gives me a little bit of

00:42:12.210 --> 00:42:15.210
peace before I go into my chaotic day. But with

00:42:15.210 --> 00:42:17.309
peace and in our fallen world, there's always

00:42:17.309 --> 00:42:20.510
that polar opposite of danger or evil or destruction.

00:42:20.690 --> 00:42:23.289
That peace can destroy you, especially when it's

00:42:23.289 --> 00:42:25.469
not tied to God. I don't know what a Leviathan

00:42:25.469 --> 00:42:29.250
is. I do know that a lot of people say they have

00:42:29.250 --> 00:42:31.250
seen them and some people almost refer to it

00:42:31.250 --> 00:42:33.269
as like a Bigfoot like creature. Plain people

00:42:33.269 --> 00:42:35.550
have obviously said they saw Bigfoot, but no

00:42:35.550 --> 00:42:38.650
real evidence of that occurring. And the longer

00:42:38.650 --> 00:42:40.550
we go down the road, if honestly, if I don't

00:42:40.550 --> 00:42:42.130
see it with my own eyes, I don't know if I'd

00:42:42.130 --> 00:42:44.530
even believe it anymore. You go on social media

00:42:44.530 --> 00:42:46.769
now and people have videos that are completely

00:42:46.769 --> 00:42:49.550
AI generated and you can't tell fact from fiction,

00:42:49.750 --> 00:42:52.409
the call back to project blue beam, but something's

00:42:52.409 --> 00:42:55.619
out there and I know. when I set in my dock near

00:42:55.619 --> 00:42:58.119
the shore and it's late, if it's 10 o 'clock

00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.440
and I'm just going out there to have a drink

00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.780
or something, it does get a little spooky out

00:43:02.780 --> 00:43:05.079
there the later it gets. Yeah, man. The ocean's

00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.860
freaky at night for sure. I enjoy it during the

00:43:07.860 --> 00:43:09.760
day. I start playing in the waves in the middle

00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:11.940
of the night, man. You're like, what is underneath

00:43:11.940 --> 00:43:14.940
my feet? Or what is in this water 15 feet in

00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:17.039
front of me? It freaks me out. I know a lot of

00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.300
my employees, I talk to them and some of them

00:43:19.300 --> 00:43:21.360
are like, I'm terrified to even get in the ocean

00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.059
because I can't see all the way through it. Maybe

00:43:23.059 --> 00:43:24.820
I'd be different if I was in the Caribbean or

00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:26.880
something and the water's crystal clear, but

00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:28.480
they're like, count me out. There's at least

00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.260
a shark or a jellyfish or something that's going

00:43:30.260 --> 00:43:33.340
to get me if I step one foot. I'm staying completely

00:43:33.340 --> 00:43:35.360
away from it. But yeah, I think ultimately that's

00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.619
why we hear a lot of myths that come from the

00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:39.659
ocean because regardless of what's in there,

00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:42.000
and even if sharks or whatever are going to attack

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.579
you, even if they're not, it can be a very scary

00:43:44.579 --> 00:43:46.860
place. You always hear the ones down here from

00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:50.960
the mariners known as 12 tides, six rising, six

00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.219
falling, covered by the pole of the moon and

00:43:53.219 --> 00:43:56.420
its cycles. But in their Mariner's almanac from

00:43:56.420 --> 00:43:59.340
the 14th century, Spinks of the 13th tide, a

00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:02.699
hidden cycle that comes once every thousand years.

00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:05.840
According to their almanac, the 13th tide is

00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.400
not measured in hours, but in centuries. This

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.800
slow unseen current that moves along the Earth's

00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:14.400
magnetic field, drawing these seas higher, thinning

00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:16.780
the veil between worlds. It's called the deep

00:44:16.780 --> 00:44:20.199
door. In 2026, oceanographers will record a rare

00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.409
alignment. The moon? the sun and several planetary

00:44:23.409 --> 00:44:26.710
bodies forming this kind of gravitational renaissance

00:44:26.710 --> 00:44:29.909
of unseen, really since antiquity. The tides

00:44:29.909 --> 00:44:32.909
will surge inches higher practically. But for

00:44:32.909 --> 00:44:36.090
those who listen, the ocean will... Hum, the

00:44:36.090 --> 00:44:39.010
deep door opening. Legends say that when the

00:44:39.010 --> 00:44:42.710
13th tide arrives, the sea will reveal what it

00:44:42.710 --> 00:44:45.630
has kept. The cities, the voices, the memory

00:44:45.630 --> 00:44:48.210
of Eden before the flood. Some say the dead will

00:44:48.210 --> 00:44:50.570
speak again, their echoes writing the waves.

00:44:50.730 --> 00:44:52.909
Others say the sea will simply breathe out, releasing

00:44:52.909 --> 00:44:55.469
everything it has held since creation. Now it's

00:44:55.469 --> 00:44:58.190
pretty easy to dismiss this myth unless it's

00:44:58.190 --> 00:45:00.650
recounting what we're told in Revelations, but

00:45:00.650 --> 00:45:03.269
the timing is perfect. The world grows restless.

00:45:03.510 --> 00:45:05.800
The waters rise. in the current calm beneath

00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.659
her feet like prophecy remembering itself. In

00:45:08.659 --> 00:45:11.159
Revelation, there is no more sea, not because

00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:13.539
it's gone, but because it has finally completed

00:45:13.539 --> 00:45:16.639
its purpose. The 13th tide may in fact be that

00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.199
moment, the deep closing in a story. The waters

00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.420
returning to the heavens that they once fell

00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:24.739
from. Until then, the ocean moves into 12 tides,

00:45:24.980 --> 00:45:27.679
patient, relentless, rehearsing that final one

00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.280
that will never fall. And then when it comes,

00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.739
it won't be a wave. Perhaps it will be a voice.

00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:34.480
And I just kind of always find - fascinating,

00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.400
like connecting the Mariners myth that they always

00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.659
talk about to revelations and perhaps what it

00:45:40.659 --> 00:45:43.360
could be. Yeah. I feel like just from my research,

00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.000
there's a lot of like even Celtic and Polynesian

00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.659
lore around the 13th tide. It's, I don't know,

00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:51.019
man, it almost sounds like fantasy to me. I guess

00:45:51.019 --> 00:45:52.880
it's an interesting myth. The fact that it comes

00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:54.460
around every thousand years, it's not like there's

00:45:54.460 --> 00:45:57.619
somebody, you know, that we can know that has

00:45:57.619 --> 00:46:00.420
seen it. But yeah, I think in like Irish mythology,

00:46:00.739 --> 00:46:03.460
the 13th tide is linked to Tuatha Danann. It's

00:46:03.460 --> 00:46:06.280
a mythical race retreating underwater and after

00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.139
the great flood, it echoes some of those myth

00:46:09.139 --> 00:46:12.659
narratives. The Polynesians describe it as like

00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:15.659
the 13th moon tide. And like you said, unveiling

00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:18.460
hidden islands or treasures only to reclaim them

00:46:18.460 --> 00:46:20.679
again when the tide returns. I don't know. I

00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.489
think these are just. cultural memories that

00:46:23.489 --> 00:46:27.230
harken back to maybe their ancestors. It's interesting.

00:46:27.369 --> 00:46:29.489
It's an interesting campfire story. And I think

00:46:29.489 --> 00:46:31.730
some of these, I guess you could draw the conclusion

00:46:31.730 --> 00:46:34.090
and kind of point it back to like stories like

00:46:34.090 --> 00:46:36.389
Atlantis. I know for a hundred percent, like

00:46:36.389 --> 00:46:39.050
there was a global flood. There's a lot of global

00:46:39.050 --> 00:46:40.929
flood myths, like the survivors of the flood

00:46:40.929 --> 00:46:43.210
as they repopulate the earth and as they become

00:46:43.210 --> 00:46:46.090
more paganistic or started worshiping other gods,

00:46:46.130 --> 00:46:48.489
they came up with their own myths surrounding

00:46:48.489 --> 00:46:51.789
the actual event. And I think. Under the water,

00:46:51.909 --> 00:46:54.369
there's probably a significant amount of lost

00:46:54.369 --> 00:46:57.909
civilizations, villages, cities that we don't

00:46:57.909 --> 00:46:59.809
see. We can't see because we haven't really explored

00:46:59.809 --> 00:47:01.670
much of the ocean floor. I know on the coast

00:47:01.670 --> 00:47:04.650
of several continents and several islands, there

00:47:04.650 --> 00:47:07.750
are underwater structures that are linked back

00:47:07.750 --> 00:47:10.849
to five, 10, even 15 ,000 years in some cases.

00:47:11.070 --> 00:47:12.670
And I find those are super fun to look into.

00:47:12.869 --> 00:47:14.829
That's all good points. I think about the cities

00:47:14.829 --> 00:47:17.630
that are submerged just because of the rising

00:47:17.630 --> 00:47:20.670
waters from either ice melt or whatever. it may

00:47:20.670 --> 00:47:24.210
be to towns that were purposely submerged to

00:47:24.210 --> 00:47:27.510
form lakes, to help society out. There's some

00:47:27.510 --> 00:47:30.510
human caused disaster and some that are more

00:47:30.510 --> 00:47:33.929
divine. But yeah, I think what we see is that

00:47:33.929 --> 00:47:36.250
the sea is changing. If you go visit the Caribbean

00:47:36.250 --> 00:47:38.690
now, you see all these algae blooms. You see

00:47:38.690 --> 00:47:41.030
all this shit that's washing up on the - Is it

00:47:41.030 --> 00:47:42.590
sorghum? Yeah, that stuff's terrible. Yeah, there's

00:47:42.590 --> 00:47:45.110
sorghum, which is disgusting and it carries bacteria.

00:47:45.269 --> 00:47:47.070
I feel like none of that was a thing when I was

00:47:47.070 --> 00:47:49.329
a kid. I remember going there like on our cruise.

00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:51.619
and stuff when we're little kids. And I don't

00:47:51.619 --> 00:47:53.179
remember hearing about it. I don't remember thinking

00:47:53.179 --> 00:47:55.679
about it. But now it seems you can't escape it.

00:47:55.699 --> 00:47:58.099
So things are changing out there. And the environment

00:47:58.099 --> 00:48:01.539
is changing along with it as well. Not to mention

00:48:01.539 --> 00:48:03.539
that, I guess, between California and Hawaii,

00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:07.619
there's just a garbage pile of the size of Texas

00:48:07.619 --> 00:48:09.380
floating out there in the middle of the ocean.

00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:11.780
That's so disgusting. Dude, people pollute. And

00:48:11.780 --> 00:48:14.519
it's horrible. And living on the water, I absolutely

00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:17.699
have to clean my little area. And garbage rolls

00:48:17.699 --> 00:48:19.940
up on shore. Every single day, some of it's hard

00:48:19.940 --> 00:48:21.940
to get to because it's in like the seagrasses

00:48:21.940 --> 00:48:24.940
and different things, but bottles, shotgun shells,

00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:28.579
you name it. Tires. I've had a tire wash up before.

00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:30.179
I don't know where it's all coming from, but

00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:33.420
it washes up consistently and people are just

00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:35.460
disgusting. So I can only imagine when there's

00:48:35.460 --> 00:48:37.800
no roles because the Chesapeake Bay is heavily

00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.860
regulated and you get in a lot of trouble if

00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:42.280
you caught doing it, but other places where there's

00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:44.920
no regulation. That's super disgusting, man.

00:48:45.099 --> 00:48:47.619
Yeah, dude. I was listening to a podcast and

00:48:47.619 --> 00:48:50.219
it was. talking about the amount of plastic particulates

00:48:50.219 --> 00:48:53.420
in the ocean now. And it's so bad that a lot

00:48:53.420 --> 00:48:56.219
of the seafood you eat actually has plastic particles

00:48:56.219 --> 00:48:58.860
on like the cellular level. So you can't even

00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:01.619
eat fish or shrimp or what else have you without

00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:03.739
getting a healthy dose of plastics in your diet.

00:49:03.940 --> 00:49:04.880
I don't know if you can eat any, I don't know

00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:06.800
if you can drink the water anymore without getting

00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.059
the plastics. It seems like everything's contaminated

00:49:09.059 --> 00:49:11.320
now. And perhaps that's why the lifespan has

00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:13.679
dropped significantly over the centuries. I just

00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.019
don't understand why we use plastic for everything.

00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.579
Listen, it's a great material. But I think it

00:49:17.579 --> 00:49:20.559
should be used now. I feel like I'm turning into

00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:22.760
a hippie, but it is what it is. I feel like it

00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.340
should be used to house and contain certain things

00:49:25.340 --> 00:49:27.480
for a long period of time. You shouldn't be in

00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:29.360
this cook zero that I'm Drake. I should have

00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.599
a glass bottle or something else that's not going

00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.719
to never fully degrade or at least. not take

00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.320
10 ,000 years to finally be adapted back into

00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:39.739
the environment. It's cheap and convenient. That's

00:49:39.739 --> 00:49:41.519
why if you buy soda in a glass bottle, it's more

00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:43.739
expensive. Glass is harder to make, harder to

00:49:43.739 --> 00:49:45.739
produce, harder to ship. I get it. It's all about

00:49:45.739 --> 00:49:48.400
the dollar again. Exactly. Even though it's all

00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.739
really bad for you. I remember when I was in

00:49:50.739 --> 00:49:54.059
law enforcement and I went down to serve in the

00:49:54.059 --> 00:49:56.780
Hurricane Katrina disaster in New Orleans. We

00:49:56.780 --> 00:49:59.360
were down and I spent several months down there

00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.539
and they used to airdrop water bottles on the

00:50:02.539 --> 00:50:04.610
tops of parking. garages, so we'd have something

00:50:04.610 --> 00:50:06.449
to drink. And eventually you would sometimes

00:50:06.449 --> 00:50:08.369
run out of water and you try to make your way

00:50:08.369 --> 00:50:10.530
up to the parking garages. And you're very happy

00:50:10.530 --> 00:50:12.590
that you found this case of water that was stacked

00:50:12.590 --> 00:50:15.210
up in there in the New Orleans heat and sun for

00:50:15.210 --> 00:50:18.050
many weeks, perhaps months or longer. And you

00:50:18.050 --> 00:50:20.570
would crack a bottle of water open and the plastic

00:50:20.570 --> 00:50:22.449
was so degraded on the water bottle. That was

00:50:22.449 --> 00:50:25.110
flimsy of whatever Aquafina or whatever it was.

00:50:25.130 --> 00:50:26.750
And you would drink the water and you could taste

00:50:26.750 --> 00:50:30.429
the plastic in it. It's really, it's disgusting

00:50:30.429 --> 00:50:32.269
when you have no choice. That's, that is what

00:50:32.269 --> 00:50:35.969
it is. Dehydrate or get a healthy dose of plastic.

00:50:36.170 --> 00:50:38.780
Yeah There's all kinds of, we used to do a conspiracy

00:50:38.780 --> 00:50:41.260
theory show just on the hurricane Katrina because

00:50:41.260 --> 00:50:43.199
I experienced a lot of it. And I had fortunately

00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.139
got the Katrina cough while I was down there.

00:50:45.139 --> 00:50:46.679
And that's what they called it. Nobody knew what

00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:49.000
the hell it was. You got the black lung pop?

00:50:51.659 --> 00:50:53.860
It was awful. I remember still, I don't know

00:50:53.860 --> 00:50:55.460
if I still have the card anymore, but I went

00:50:55.460 --> 00:50:57.980
to a military campsite to get treated, to get

00:50:57.980 --> 00:51:00.539
meds. And they gave me this blue card that was

00:51:00.539 --> 00:51:02.300
punched. I forget what, they gave me some kind

00:51:02.300 --> 00:51:03.719
of pills. I don't know what they were, but yeah,

00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:05.760
I had to get trained at a military campsite because

00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.699
there was no meds. medical services. Did you

00:51:07.699 --> 00:51:12.619
cough like Zoolander when it happened? It's like

00:51:12.619 --> 00:51:14.219
a whooping cough or something. It's probably

00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:17.079
just from all the, there's lots of mold that

00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:18.960
you can tend to, which I am allergic to, but

00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.420
there was also oil and trash and everything else

00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:23.119
that was mixed in with the water. It was probably

00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.280
just a mixture of nasty. I probably lost 10 years

00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:27.900
of my life just serving down there for a few

00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:30.980
months. I can't want to have like a city like

00:51:30.980 --> 00:51:33.079
that gets just completely destroyed. I can't

00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.739
imagine the amount of just pollutants that get

00:51:35.739 --> 00:51:37.400
released into the environment. And then when

00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.599
you have to slog through it for months on end,

00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:41.880
I don't know. That's just asking for trouble.

00:51:41.900 --> 00:51:43.940
Yeah, it's there to help people, even though

00:51:43.940 --> 00:51:45.880
who knows. I'm not saying, I'm not saying you

00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:47.800
particularly asking for trouble. I'm just saying

00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:50.559
just us as a society setting up things the way

00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:52.460
they're set up when you're not careful with it,

00:51:52.460 --> 00:51:55.179
or you decide to use certain plastics or chemicals

00:51:55.179 --> 00:51:58.380
in a highly dense area. When and if, inevitably

00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:01.340
when something catastrophic happens, you're just

00:52:01.340 --> 00:52:03.929
contaminating not only the wildlife, but the

00:52:03.929 --> 00:52:06.489
people that survive the event. Yeah. And those

00:52:06.489 --> 00:52:09.010
places that are built like New Orleans that have

00:52:09.010 --> 00:52:10.869
the flood walls. I remember when I was leaving,

00:52:10.869 --> 00:52:12.829
they're like, so next time it happens, are you

00:52:12.829 --> 00:52:14.409
going to come back down? That was their parting

00:52:14.409 --> 00:52:16.570
words to me. Thanks for helping. Next time you

00:52:16.570 --> 00:52:18.250
going to come back down. I don't get paid enough

00:52:18.250 --> 00:52:22.599
for this crap, dude. At the time, for being a

00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.500
poor cop at the time and money was pretty good

00:52:24.500 --> 00:52:26.679
for me, but it was an experience that I will

00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:29.559
have for the rest of my time. There was a lot

00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:31.139
of good things that happened. There was a lot

00:52:31.139 --> 00:52:32.780
of bad things that happened. One of the memories

00:52:32.780 --> 00:52:34.760
that always stuck with me is doing evacs out

00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:36.820
of buildings and getting shot at from rooftops.

00:52:37.099 --> 00:52:39.079
Really? Like I'm here to help and I'm getting

00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:41.360
shot at. I know we're completely off base on

00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:43.280
what the show is. I almost feel like this topic

00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.519
was this way too broad for us to be super specific

00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:48.900
with anything. But I feel like that's a big thing

00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:51.360
that the, just the media and the government covered

00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.559
up was like the sheer amount of violence that

00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:55.300
happened after that event. We should do a whole

00:52:55.300 --> 00:52:56.960
show on it. It would be actually pretty interesting

00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:58.619
because I got a lot of firsthand experience,

00:52:58.619 --> 00:53:00.440
but yeah, I could tell you some things that would

00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.820
shock you. And not a lot of people remember anymore,

00:53:02.820 --> 00:53:04.920
but there was a whole hell of a lot of violence.

00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.579
And it was the first time that we did true martial

00:53:08.579 --> 00:53:11.239
law. in a major city in the United States and

00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:12.639
what that looked like. I could tell you some

00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.840
good stories with that. Yeah. Just a few kind

00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:16.900
of accounts that I've heard. Like there was a

00:53:16.900 --> 00:53:19.639
lot of retribution toward people. It literally

00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.139
turned into Mad Max. It was. Very much. There

00:53:22.139 --> 00:53:25.000
was a lot of shootings. We had military units

00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.900
engaging in combat, urban warfare that was going

00:53:27.900 --> 00:53:29.900
on that nobody wants to talk about. Of course

00:53:29.900 --> 00:53:31.239
they don't want to talk about it because it's

00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:32.699
supposed to be America. We're not supposed to

00:53:32.699 --> 00:53:34.760
do that or have that happen. But it's just, to

00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.260
me, it just kind of harkens to the future, when

00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:38.989
and if society collapsed. like that's going to

00:53:38.989 --> 00:53:41.289
be everywhere. That's not just because we're

00:53:41.289 --> 00:53:43.710
civilized doesn't mean that if something catastrophic

00:53:43.710 --> 00:53:45.469
happens and the powers that be aren't around

00:53:45.469 --> 00:53:48.170
to keep stuff in control. You got 72 hours to

00:53:48.170 --> 00:53:50.590
get with your neighbors and try to protect each

00:53:50.590 --> 00:53:53.170
other or you're just dealing with, like I said,

00:53:53.369 --> 00:53:55.550
the Mad Max syndrome where everyone's out for

00:53:55.550 --> 00:53:57.530
themselves. So you have warlords and next thing

00:53:57.530 --> 00:54:00.030
you know, you're being robbed, raped or killed.

00:54:00.309 --> 00:54:02.750
It was even the cops. The communication wasn't

00:54:02.750 --> 00:54:05.110
as good as it is today, but all the independent

00:54:05.110 --> 00:54:07.829
law enforcement agencies and contractors and

00:54:07.829 --> 00:54:09.630
different people that came down to help down

00:54:09.630 --> 00:54:11.650
there. Communication wasn't good. So they could

00:54:11.650 --> 00:54:14.309
only communicate within like their kind of working

00:54:14.309 --> 00:54:17.130
network. And there's been almost like times where

00:54:17.130 --> 00:54:18.760
cops are going to shoot at cops because they

00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:20.539
didn't know who they were and everybody was freaked

00:54:20.539 --> 00:54:22.300
out. I reminded you of Walking Dead. You had

00:54:22.300 --> 00:54:24.800
like roaming bandits and you had cops that didn't

00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.500
know others were cops. And in the middle of the

00:54:27.500 --> 00:54:29.920
night and the power wasn't restored for a very

00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.420
long time, it was scary when you see five dudes

00:54:32.420 --> 00:54:34.940
with AR -15s and you're like, okay, are you good

00:54:34.940 --> 00:54:37.019
or are you bad? And we got to figure this out.

00:54:37.539 --> 00:54:39.019
Especially when you're hearing gunshots all night,

00:54:39.019 --> 00:54:40.579
you're like, I don't know what's happening. You

00:54:40.579 --> 00:54:42.619
might as well be in war. It felt like it. Anyway,

00:54:43.219 --> 00:54:46.099
bro. Tail for a different day. Yeah. So I don't

00:54:46.099 --> 00:54:50.010
think we can conclude. our final kind of Halloweeny

00:54:50.010 --> 00:54:57.190
episode without talking about ghost ship. Keep

00:54:57.190 --> 00:54:59.289
talking to me. It'd be 10 o 'clock and I'll be

00:54:59.289 --> 00:55:01.269
losing my mind. I get up with little kids. We

00:55:01.269 --> 00:55:04.309
can't talk about this episode without talking

00:55:04.309 --> 00:55:07.269
about ghost ships and phantom vessel. So here

00:55:07.269 --> 00:55:09.929
we go. This sea has always carried really this

00:55:09.929 --> 00:55:12.949
fascination with vessels that shouldn't really

00:55:12.949 --> 00:55:16.230
exist. These drifting hulks, phantom sails, and

00:55:16.230 --> 00:55:18.650
these ghostly lives. gliding along the horizon.

00:55:18.929 --> 00:55:21.389
What I researched was across the centuries, sailors

00:55:21.389 --> 00:55:24.510
have spoken of ships that disappear, reappear,

00:55:24.590 --> 00:55:26.989
and never knock at all. These are the ghost ships,

00:55:27.190 --> 00:55:30.050
the spectral vessels that are adrift between

00:55:30.050 --> 00:55:32.969
worlds. Their sails filled not with wind, but

00:55:32.969 --> 00:55:36.190
with memory. The most famous of all of them is

00:55:36.190 --> 00:55:38.849
the Flying Dutchman, a cursed ship said to roam

00:55:38.849 --> 00:55:41.030
the oceans forever, never able to reach port.

00:55:41.150 --> 00:55:44.090
According to that legend, the captain defied

00:55:44.090 --> 00:55:46.860
divine will during a violent storm. swearing

00:55:46.860 --> 00:55:49.280
he would round the Cape of Good Hope even if

00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.380
it took all of eternity. And so eternity claimed

00:55:52.380 --> 00:55:55.199
him. For centuries, mariners have reported seeing

00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.260
a phantom vessel glowing with this greenish or

00:55:58.260 --> 00:56:01.239
a bluish light emerging from the mist or rising

00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.500
from beneath every storm's shadow. As I saw it,

00:56:04.780 --> 00:56:07.360
this story first appeared in the 17th century

00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.360
during the Dutch East India Company's golden

00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:12.980
age, but it never really has faded. Even into

00:56:12.980 --> 00:56:15.619
the 20th century, entire crews claimed to see

00:56:15.500 --> 00:56:19.659
the Dutchman passing their bow, sails tattered

00:56:19.659 --> 00:56:23.340
by illuminated, though from within. Some say

00:56:23.340 --> 00:56:26.039
that if you hailed the ship or accept a message

00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.340
from it, you invite your very own death, because

00:56:28.340 --> 00:56:31.599
the Dutchman carries not cargo, but the souls

00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:33.929
of the damned. Kind of sounds scary. Skeptics,

00:56:33.929 --> 00:56:37.489
of course, suggest that such visions might be

00:56:37.489 --> 00:56:40.309
atmospheric mirages, especially the phenomenon

00:56:40.309 --> 00:56:44.070
known as Fata Morgana, in which layers of warm

00:56:44.070 --> 00:56:46.650
and cold air bend light to create floating illusions

00:56:46.650 --> 00:56:48.849
on the sea. A lot of people say they see the

00:56:48.849 --> 00:56:51.289
same thing in the desert. But in those conditions,

00:56:51.369 --> 00:56:54.429
a distant ship may appear to hover in midair

00:56:54.429 --> 00:56:57.210
or glow with unnatural brightness. And yet there's

00:56:57.210 --> 00:56:59.150
something stubborn about the legend's persistence,

00:56:59.150 --> 00:57:02.010
about the sailors who swear they saw a va - vessel,

00:57:02.070 --> 00:57:05.289
where no vessel could possibly be. And perhaps

00:57:05.289 --> 00:57:07.789
the Dutchman is not a mirage at all, but something

00:57:07.789 --> 00:57:10.530
far older, a relic kind of echoing endlessly

00:57:10.530 --> 00:57:13.610
across time and across the oceans tide. Ghost

00:57:13.610 --> 00:57:16.530
ships aren't just myths. They have appeared in

00:57:16.530 --> 00:57:19.349
maritime history more than once. I think we consider

00:57:19.349 --> 00:57:23.110
the SS Bay Chimo, an Alaskan trading vessel trapped

00:57:23.110 --> 00:57:26.210
in Arctic ice in 1931. The crew abandoned it,

00:57:26.210 --> 00:57:29.429
expecting it to sink, but the ship refused. For

00:57:29.429 --> 00:57:31.769
decades afterward, witnesses claimed to see the

00:57:31.769 --> 00:57:34.409
Baychimo drifting silently through the fog, frozen

00:57:34.409 --> 00:57:36.730
and forgotten, but still afloat. Indigenous hunters,

00:57:36.989 --> 00:57:39.650
merchant crews, even research teams reported

00:57:39.650 --> 00:57:42.809
sightings well into the 1960s and 70s. A vessel

00:57:42.809 --> 00:57:45.869
without crew, without anchor, and endlessly wandering.

00:57:46.110 --> 00:57:48.829
A kind of ghost made of this like steel and salt

00:57:48.829 --> 00:57:50.690
water. Then there are the haunted wrecks. The

00:57:50.690 --> 00:57:54.210
ships that truly sank yet seem to carry echoes

00:57:54.210 --> 00:57:57.889
of those final moments. The RMS Rome. A male

00:57:57.889 --> 00:58:01.500
steamer sunk in 1867. the British Virgin Islands.

00:58:01.699 --> 00:58:03.579
It's said to be one of the most haunted shipwrecks

00:58:03.579 --> 00:58:06.239
in the world. Divers had reported strange sensations,

00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.960
sudden chills, muffled screams, or even feeling

00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.119
of invisible eyes watching them from the dark.

00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:13.880
Some even seen orbs drifting among the coral

00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.639
encrusted iron or hear the faint clanging of

00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:20.019
tools where no one dives. It's as if tragedy

00:58:20.019 --> 00:58:23.079
itself soaked into the wreck, preserved in salt.

00:58:23.179 --> 00:58:26.320
Even fiction seems to sense this truth. In Francis

00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:30.139
Mirrencroffer's 1885 story, The Upper Bur - The

00:58:30.139 --> 00:58:32.360
passenger aboard an ocean liner hears groaning

00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:34.800
from the bunk above him, the upper berth, where

00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:37.519
he finally opens the curtain. He finds not a

00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.659
man, but a clammy, oozy mass and a violent ghost

00:58:40.659 --> 00:58:42.840
encounter unfolds. The tale in this fictional

00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.019
book endures because it feels real, because we

00:58:46.019 --> 00:58:48.780
understand the sea and kind of the supernatural

00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:52.369
or. really just natural allies. Confined spaces,

00:58:52.730 --> 00:58:54.789
isolation, the sound of water pressing against

00:58:54.789 --> 00:58:57.269
the walls. It's no wonder these nightmares take

00:58:57.269 --> 00:58:59.969
place at the sea. But what if ghost ships are

00:58:59.969 --> 00:59:04.150
not illusions and not simply memories? Some theorists

00:59:04.150 --> 00:59:07.500
suggest they are dimensional echoes. Vessels

00:59:07.500 --> 00:59:09.980
caught between worlds, existing half in ours

00:59:09.980 --> 00:59:12.199
and half in another. Maybe the Dutchman or the

00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:14.699
Baychimo are not the same ship, but the same

00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:17.460
phenomenon. Tragedies replaying themselves, looping

00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:19.860
endlessly, their energy burned into the fabric

00:59:19.860 --> 00:59:23.059
of the ocean. Others imagine these ships as resurrected

00:59:23.059 --> 00:59:25.739
matter, pulled back into being by this, what

00:59:25.739 --> 00:59:29.199
they called an electromagnetic or a psychic field

00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.900
where death and decay really lose their meaning.

00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:34.179
Perhaps when the veil between the worlds thins,

00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.960
during storms, during these magnetic surges or

00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:39.739
these solar flares, the dead ships returned briefly,

00:59:40.139 --> 00:59:43.360
visibly from that kind of sinking shadow as they

00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:45.440
described it. In maritime folklore, ghost ships

00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:48.559
have always been what they called omens, a sighting

00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:52.579
foretell disaster, a storm, a death at sea. Sellers,

00:59:52.579 --> 00:59:55.699
as I've heard it once whispered, to see a phantom

00:59:55.699 --> 00:59:58.659
sail on the horizon was to know your own fate

00:59:58.659 --> 01:00:00.820
had already been written on the water. The ocean

01:00:00.820 --> 01:00:03.260
itself, seems to delight in these warnings, showing

01:00:03.260 --> 01:00:06.239
us flashes of the past as premonitions of the

01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.099
future. For those who live by the sea, it is

01:00:09.099 --> 01:00:12.179
both home and judgment, a place that never forgets.

01:00:12.179 --> 01:00:14.280
I get it, man. It's when we were kids. We talked

01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.460
about this on the last episode, but you're young,

01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:18.340
you're in a room, the lights were out. You would

01:00:18.340 --> 01:00:21.380
get scared because the fear of the unknown, darkness,

01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:23.440
and everything felt really big to you at that

01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:25.760
time. You don't really feel small in this world

01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:28.099
as an adult until you go out into the middle

01:00:28.099 --> 01:00:30.460
of the ocean or the middle of the desert, someplace

01:00:30.460 --> 01:00:33.480
so vast and so large that you can't see the other

01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:36.699
end of it. And you not only feel alone, you are

01:00:36.699 --> 01:00:39.090
very alone. So I can see these ghost stories

01:00:39.090 --> 01:00:42.409
popping up about these Dutchmans that ultimately

01:00:42.409 --> 01:00:45.170
make it into movies as well, just from being

01:00:45.170 --> 01:00:48.190
scared, man. And you got these sellers and if

01:00:48.190 --> 01:00:51.030
you ever met a mariner or somebody that's pulling

01:00:51.030 --> 01:00:53.130
crabs from the bay, they're pretty damn tough

01:00:53.130 --> 01:00:56.210
people. And they're not going to, I think maybe

01:00:56.210 --> 01:00:58.130
they're telling ghost stories to justify those

01:00:58.130 --> 01:01:00.630
fears of the unknown of perhaps what's going

01:01:00.630 --> 01:01:03.250
to happen to them if they fall into the water

01:01:03.250 --> 01:01:05.269
and while their ship's running and they get left

01:01:05.269 --> 01:01:08.769
behind or. perhaps just a snake rattling around

01:01:08.769 --> 01:01:11.210
in one of their places they sleep, one of their

01:01:11.210 --> 01:01:13.630
berths and they're afraid of the snake. So they

01:01:13.630 --> 01:01:15.530
call it a sea monster. I don't know, but it makes

01:01:15.530 --> 01:01:17.389
me think about it. Yeah. I don't know. I often

01:01:17.389 --> 01:01:20.750
think about like sailors, like pre -modern sailors,

01:01:20.989 --> 01:01:25.110
like pre 1915, pre 1920. So like fun fact, a

01:01:25.110 --> 01:01:27.730
lot of these ships would take canned goods with

01:01:27.730 --> 01:01:30.130
them. And a lot of these canned goods were either

01:01:30.130 --> 01:01:32.889
sealed with lead or they're actually in lead

01:01:32.889 --> 01:01:34.829
containers. And when you get lead poisoning,

01:01:35.030 --> 01:01:37.559
dude, you start to hallucinate. And hallucinations

01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.900
lead to paranoia, paranoia leads to psychosis.

01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:44.119
And I could see how a bunch of sailors back in

01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:47.639
1715 are out whaling, crabbing, doing whatever,

01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:50.260
traversing wherever in the world. And they're

01:01:50.260 --> 01:01:52.679
a bunch of psychotic idiots because of the amount

01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:54.960
of lead in their systems. So you might see something

01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:57.199
mundane. Not that it's mundane. You might see

01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.519
something like a whale or a seal or an octopus.

01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.480
And next thing you know, everyone thinks there's

01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:03.480
a sea monster attacking you. Or you might see

01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:05.139
something on the horizon, not really see what

01:02:05.139 --> 01:02:07.840
it is. it is. Heck, you can see another vessel.

01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.480
And if you guys are all hopped up on lead poisoning,

01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:13.420
you're making some pretty fantastic stories,

01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:15.460
like you're hallucinating stuff. And the other

01:02:15.460 --> 01:02:18.280
kind of culprit in this duo is scurvy. Another

01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:21.559
thing, not having enough vitamin C deficient

01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:24.079
causes you to hallucinate as well. So you have

01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:27.460
a double whammy. Scurvy. Lead poisoning, like

01:02:27.460 --> 01:02:29.460
it must've been a mental ward on some of these

01:02:29.460 --> 01:02:31.699
ships, man. I don't know how they, I don't know

01:02:31.699 --> 01:02:34.159
how half of them survived or came back to land

01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:37.039
and were able to integrate back into society

01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:39.280
after being on the sea for months with these

01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:42.460
two pretty big psychiatric conditions. The scurvy

01:02:42.460 --> 01:02:44.519
you can remedy once you get your proper intake,

01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:46.199
but lead poisoning, that stuff doesn't really

01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.019
filter out your system super fast. I think that's

01:02:48.019 --> 01:02:50.960
why sometimes sailors pre -modern era kind of

01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.519
had a bad rap of being crazy because I don't

01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.039
think it was necessarily their fault. They were

01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:57.449
just. inundated with lead in their brains. Yeah.

01:02:57.449 --> 01:02:59.309
And probably copious amounts of alcohol didn't

01:02:59.309 --> 01:03:04.070
help as well, which sales are famous. Yeah. Yeah.

01:03:04.070 --> 01:03:06.210
So a lot of those ghost ship stories, a lot of

01:03:06.210 --> 01:03:09.510
those sea monster stories, I just related back

01:03:09.510 --> 01:03:11.869
to massive lead poisoning and scurvy. I always

01:03:11.869 --> 01:03:13.750
wonder how you always hear the stories of walk

01:03:13.750 --> 01:03:15.889
the plank from like the old pirate tales and

01:03:15.889 --> 01:03:18.070
stuff. It doesn't really shock me. I couldn't

01:03:18.070 --> 01:03:20.769
imagine being locked up with 20 men. I don't

01:03:20.769 --> 01:03:23.010
know how many people ultimately sailed on these

01:03:23.010 --> 01:03:25.150
ships. I guess it depends on the ship. But being

01:03:25.150 --> 01:03:27.809
locked up with somebody for six, eight months,

01:03:27.809 --> 01:03:30.510
like crossing the sea, I probably would hate

01:03:30.510 --> 01:03:33.570
everybody when I kill everybody. I'm sure like

01:03:33.570 --> 01:03:35.530
the massive amount of paranoia, especially with

01:03:35.530 --> 01:03:37.469
the ship captains and the officers. Once you

01:03:37.469 --> 01:03:39.929
start seeing all these guys that are just, and

01:03:39.929 --> 01:03:41.369
I think a lot of these people too, that worked

01:03:41.369 --> 01:03:43.429
on these ships, they're destitute and it's the

01:03:43.429 --> 01:03:45.630
only form of work. And some of them were actually

01:03:45.630 --> 01:03:47.489
given the chance, like either go to jail or you

01:03:47.489 --> 01:03:49.630
go on a ship. So some of them were criminals.

01:03:49.809 --> 01:03:52.789
So I just think the combination of. Like I said,

01:03:52.869 --> 01:03:54.769
the lead and the lack of vitamin C and then dealing

01:03:54.769 --> 01:03:57.030
with criminals. Like it's just a breeding ground

01:03:57.030 --> 01:04:00.710
for psychosis and just paranoia and just craziness.

01:04:00.989 --> 01:04:02.969
Yeah. Yo, I watch a lot of these sailing videos

01:04:02.969 --> 01:04:05.570
on YouTube, like Sam Holmes sailing and stuff,

01:04:05.630 --> 01:04:07.969
but there is one where the guy's just isolated.

01:04:08.130 --> 01:04:11.030
Like he has this very tiny ship and he will spend

01:04:11.030 --> 01:04:13.789
like a month like going from California to Hawaii

01:04:13.789 --> 01:04:16.150
or something and be completely by himself. And

01:04:16.150 --> 01:04:19.409
there'd be days where massive rainstorms would

01:04:19.409 --> 01:04:21.530
come and he's like trying to bail water from

01:04:21.530 --> 01:04:23.550
his. ship and just fighting it all by himself.

01:04:23.710 --> 01:04:25.630
And the only company he has is a camera in his

01:04:25.630 --> 01:04:28.269
face as he records it. Just the isolation aspect

01:04:28.269 --> 01:04:30.429
would probably drive you nuts after a while.

01:04:30.469 --> 01:04:32.289
At least it would me. Could you imagine like

01:04:32.289 --> 01:04:34.309
being on a boat by yourself for a month and just

01:04:34.309 --> 01:04:37.550
hoping you won't die? Dude, it would be horrible.

01:04:37.670 --> 01:04:39.369
It's almost like being in solitary confinement,

01:04:39.489 --> 01:04:41.150
except you have to worry about a rogue wave turning

01:04:41.150 --> 01:04:43.769
you over. Oh man, it's gotta be the worst. But

01:04:43.769 --> 01:04:45.530
some people are very adventurous and some people

01:04:45.530 --> 01:04:47.550
like solitude. I'm not one of them. I like a

01:04:47.550 --> 01:04:49.690
certain amount of solitude, but not - Days on

01:04:49.690 --> 01:04:53.730
end or weeks on end. Yeah. It's okay to date

01:04:53.730 --> 01:04:56.090
yourself after, even after a day, I'm like, all

01:04:56.090 --> 01:05:00.090
right, let's go, let's go do something. I don't

01:05:00.090 --> 01:05:01.530
know. I always liked my single days a little

01:05:01.530 --> 01:05:03.670
bit because I could be like, get up late on a

01:05:03.670 --> 01:05:06.650
Saturday and watch some TV and then play some

01:05:06.650 --> 01:05:08.610
video games, go work out. Like I might see a

01:05:08.610 --> 01:05:10.949
couple of people and then come home and just

01:05:10.949 --> 01:05:15.260
chill out. Like those are good days too. Yeah,

01:05:15.380 --> 01:05:18.780
but imagine being on a boat with no TV, no internet,

01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:20.519
no cell phone. I guess you have a satellite phone,

01:05:20.579 --> 01:05:22.239
but you're not serving the net on it. A lot of

01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:26.500
people have. TVs now, thanks to Elon Musk constellations

01:05:26.500 --> 01:05:30.639
in the sky. So you can get those. Gotcha. Yeah.

01:05:30.780 --> 01:05:32.960
Everybody's putting them on ships and on RVs

01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:35.000
and campers and stuff so they can watch whatever

01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:37.360
they want or surf the internet or what have you.

01:05:37.460 --> 01:05:39.400
Yeah. I think this is a good point to end. I

01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:41.719
would like to thank our listeners for listening

01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:44.059
and subscribing. That's awesome. Zero signal

01:05:44.059 --> 01:05:46.760
truth at gmail .com. If you have any critique,

01:05:46.780 --> 01:05:49.119
good or bad, we'd like them both. And we're looking

01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:51.139
for guests. I think I might have an interesting

01:05:51.139 --> 01:05:53.789
fella lined up, but haven't quite sealed the

01:05:53.789 --> 01:05:56.409
deal there yet, but if we get him on, it would

01:05:56.409 --> 01:05:59.170
be our first guess and it'd be super, super cool

01:05:59.170 --> 01:06:01.929
to hear what he has to say on some certain pretty

01:06:01.929 --> 01:06:06.030
interesting time. That's very mysterious. I don't

01:06:06.030 --> 01:06:10.130
want to give it away if he's not going to come

01:06:10.130 --> 01:06:14.210
on, but I'm thinking it's 50 -50, but as usual,

01:06:14.389 --> 01:06:16.289
Jesus loves you. I love you. I love you, brother.

01:06:16.389 --> 01:06:18.610
What'd you got to say anything? As we wrap up

01:06:18.610 --> 01:06:21.710
our Halloween stuff, obviously tonight we sailed.

01:06:21.710 --> 01:06:25.329
through the deep files, through these ghost ships,

01:06:25.530 --> 01:06:28.130
through the waters, through these ancient stories

01:06:28.130 --> 01:06:31.349
that perhaps have been forgotten over time. But

01:06:31.349 --> 01:06:35.090
in the quiet after the storm, what remains is

01:06:35.090 --> 01:06:37.590
really not horror, but it's wonder. Because for

01:06:37.590 --> 01:06:40.269
all the darkness, the ocean is still part of

01:06:40.269 --> 01:06:43.030
the design. The earth is the Lord's and everything

01:06:43.030 --> 01:06:46.070
in it that dwells within it is his. That includes

01:06:46.070 --> 01:06:48.110
the trenches we've never seen, the creatures

01:06:48.110 --> 01:06:50.829
we've never named, and the mysteries we're still.

01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:54.119
small to understand. The sea may terrify us but

01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.880
it also testifies every current. Every unseen

01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.840
depth is still under that same hand that calmed

01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:02.679
the storms on the Galilee. When we look into

01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:05.300
the abyss, we're not really peering into chaos.

01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.239
We're witnessing creation in motion and reflecting

01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.219
of that divine vastness that shaped both the

01:07:11.219 --> 01:07:13.900
heavens above and the waters below. The deep

01:07:13.900 --> 01:07:16.320
really is not haunted by ghosts, but it's haunted

01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:19.679
by memory. The echo of let there be. A lot of

01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:22.559
people have lost their lives in the ocean, to

01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:25.719
the ocean, through floods, through recorded history.

01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:28.679
And a lot of our history starts after the Noah's

01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:31.579
flood. It's terrifying and fascinating and beautiful

01:07:31.579 --> 01:07:34.340
all in the same sentence. Yeah, I can't help

01:07:34.340 --> 01:07:36.760
it. When I look out my bedroom window and I've

01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:38.619
been blessed enough to live on the water, to

01:07:38.619 --> 01:07:41.039
think about all these things and all the wonderful

01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:44.079
that is in our world. I obviously, I spend a

01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:47.280
lot of time on Reddit forums and on social media

01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:50.199
talking about our podcast and the conspiracies.

01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:53.780
We, at least in my opinion, we like to... entertain

01:07:53.780 --> 01:07:56.159
all possibilities, whether it be, as you like

01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:59.920
to call it, fantastical or grounded in reality.

01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:03.219
Rather it be a government coverup or do something

01:08:03.219 --> 01:08:06.000
wild. I think it's good to investigate things.

01:08:06.059 --> 01:08:08.179
From my law enforcement background, I've really

01:08:08.179 --> 01:08:10.880
focused on, you got to pull all the tabs before

01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:14.400
you land on what's most compelling, what's most

01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:16.819
evidence driven to make these determinations.

01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.359
So I'd like looking at all sides, not that I

01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:21.420
believe all sides. And I like reporting on all

01:08:21.420 --> 01:08:23.420
sides, even though I don't believe on all sides,

01:08:23.420 --> 01:08:26.060
but it's all done in good faith. When we do,

01:08:26.100 --> 01:08:29.619
we're trying to give you our perspective. We're

01:08:29.619 --> 01:08:32.819
trying to give you as much evidence as possible.

01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:34.760
Obviously there's people that, you know, disagree

01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:37.159
with us. I've seen traction where people get

01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:39.479
really upset because we talk about God. That's

01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:42.619
not going to change. Regardless of this content,

01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:44.399
we're never going to separate ourselves from

01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:46.960
God. It's important to us. It's the world lens

01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:48.960
that it's the way we view the world and that's

01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:51.800
important to us. So if you hate God, tune out

01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:53.619
because we're going to be linking stuff back

01:08:53.619 --> 01:08:55.239
because it's important and that's how we see

01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:57.220
the world and that's how we think things happen.

01:08:57.399 --> 01:08:59.380
But just be reminded, it's done in good faith.

01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:01.140
You don't have to agree with us. You don't have

01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:03.979
to like us, but if you do, don't let the naysayers,

01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:06.479
the critics win the argument. You need to like,

01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:09.819
subscribe, follow, comment on our podcast, comment

01:09:09.819 --> 01:09:12.579
on social media, because we need advocates as

01:09:12.579 --> 01:09:15.359
well. And as you continue to advocate, as my

01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:16.859
brother said, we're always looking for guests

01:09:16.859 --> 01:09:19.199
and good guests. If you can provide critical

01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.539
feedback on our topics, it's important. Reach

01:09:21.539 --> 01:09:24.279
out on our Gmail, reach out on our social medias.

01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:25.960
Let's have a good conversation. We'll bring you

01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:27.979
on our shows and entertain the ideals. They don't

01:09:27.979 --> 01:09:29.840
have to agree with us. That's I think the most

01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:31.520
important thing is you can come on our shows

01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:33.939
as long as we have a respectful disagreement.

01:09:34.060 --> 01:09:35.710
I'm very happy to do it. that to have a good

01:09:35.710 --> 01:09:38.729
conversation. So always remember that we're here

01:09:38.729 --> 01:09:40.750
to support you. Love God. I love you, brother.

01:09:41.029 --> 01:09:42.470
You want to bring us home? Yeah, man. I'm looking

01:09:42.470 --> 01:09:44.390
forward to the future. It's nice to see some

01:09:44.390 --> 01:09:46.409
traction happening. And I just think the contest

01:09:46.409 --> 01:09:48.210
is going to get better and better. And it's just

01:09:48.210 --> 01:09:50.329
exciting. And at the end of the day, man, thank

01:09:50.329 --> 01:09:52.789
you, everyone, for listening. And we are Zero

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