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it's almost Halloween, I figured we'd go big
tonight. We're talking about the ocean, the most
haunted, mysterious place on earth. You've got
ghost ships, disappearances, deep sea creatures
that shouldn't exist, and maybe a few things
the government doesn't want you to know about.
So grab a drink, settle in, and let's get weird.
The ocean covers more than 70 % of this planet's
surface. And somehow, we've got better maps of
Mars than we do our own seafloor. Think about
that for a second. We've explored space more
thoroughly than the world right beneath our feet.
Since the beginning, humanity has been both drawn
to and terrified by the sea. The first people
to push beyond the safety of the shore were the
Polynesian navigators, crossing entire oceans
guided only by the stars, the currents, and the
flight of birds. Thousands of years ago, the
Egyptians sailed into the waters they believe
were home to gods and monsters. The Greeks told
stories of Poseidon's wrath. Norse imagined serpents
coiled beneath the waves. To them, the ocean
wasn't a landscape. It was alive, a living being,
vast, hungry, and most importantly, unpredictable.
Even after our maps filled in and our technology
improved, the mystery never really left. Every
generation thinks they've conquered the sea,
and every generation still hears the same whispers.
Ghost ships drifting without crew. Spectral light
beneath the surface. Sonar shadows that move
like something huge is down there. The sea remains
the oldest unknown. and maybe the most dangerous.
And tonight we're diving straight into that mystery.
Ghost shifts adrift between life and death, spirits
of the drowned trapped in restless tides, underwater
alien bases, monsters that live in trenches deeper
than light, and the secrets the ocean refuses
to give up. We're here to explore the eerie,
the strange, the suppressed, the things the surface
world has forgotten. So strap in, check your
compass, and take a deep dive into the haunted
deep because the sea All right. So Jay, when
it comes to the ocean, what's the one theory
that really sticks with you? Yeah, brother. This
is another one of those conspiracies that it's
pretty vast and wide. There's so much information
out there about what's in the ocean, what's not.
I know one of the things that kind of stuck out
to me is that I think we only have 5 % of the
ocean mapped and we've only really explored about
20 % of it. And that's mind blowing to think
that we spent more time and energy going to the
moon. sticking our telescopes out in space, take
pictures of extra planetary objects, then really
just explore what's deep beneath our oceans.
So there's a lot of cool conspiracies. There's
a lot of BS out there too. I'm not going to lie.
I think you and I both ran across a bunch of
stories, which you dig into and you realize pretty
quick that they're either completely fabricated
or they're being sold as something real. And
it's just really somebody trying to get some
clicks or get some attention. But in my opinion,
I do love the idea of the lost civilizations
under underneath the ocean. I think at one point
in time, as sea levels rise and fall, a lot of
these kind of coastal ancient civilizations get
reclaimed by the ocean. And it always fascinates
me to what's underneath there. And I'm just being
a nerd here, but interesting fact that I did
not know. If you had to guess how many documented
shipwrecks do you think there are out there in
the ocean? There's got to be thousands. Dude,
three million that are just documented and they
claim that's just a fraction of what They know
about 3 million. I was in the hundred to 200
,000 range. When I heard that 3 million number,
I was like, Whoa, that is insane. One of the
things you said was we have very little of our
ocean mapped, but I read this interesting statistic
that we have more of Mars mapped than we do our
own ocean, which is pretty telling. I think a
lot of people follow the money and the big picture
thing is we want to land on Mars. We want to
send people to Mars and people are willing to
pay big bucks for it, but they're ignoring what's
right under. their feet a lot of the time. And
I think that's what's most interesting is what
is here on planet earth and what are those things
we haven't discovered. A lot of divers that have
gone down in the last few years and the deeper
we're able to go in these like titanium submersibles
and through these underwater drones, they're
already discovering new creatures and new species.
And we know a lot of the times a lot of that
good medicine comes from like the rainforest,
perhaps some of it's on the bottom of the ocean
as well. But now as we see Congress. us focusing
on a lot of energy on UFOs. Something caught
my eye this week when I was researching this
topic. It was from Congressman Tim Burchett from
Tennessee. In my opinion, he is one of the more
outspoken voices in Congress when it comes to
UFOs or as they are officially known UAPs or
unidentified aerial phenomena. Doesn't quite
fit for this subject. Kind of sounds weird to
call them UAP because they're not flying. Perhaps
they are racing through our waterways. Anyhow,
Burchett has made headlines more than once for
his fascination with UFOs. In a series of interviews
recently, he claimed that a high -ranking naval
officer, an admiral whose name he wouldn't tell
us, told him about an object moving underwater
at hundreds of miles an hour. And that's not
just fast, that's physically impossible with
known human technology. According to him, there
might even be several hidden UFO bases along
the coastline. As I continue down that pathway,
it sounds a little bit more fantastical. Places
where non -human intelligence could be operating
out of sight right beneath our waves. The kind
of statement that sounds straight out of the
X -Files, but it came from an elected official
sitting in a congressional meeting. Now, this
isn't happening in a vacuum. Over the last couple
of years, UFOs talk has really made its way from
late night radio right into the halls of our
government. Hearings have been held, whistleblowers
have testified, and really public interest has
exploded. Figures like Lauren Bobber have even
asked experts in formal hearings in the U .S.
government if they have evidence of UFO bases
right under our ocean. The experts for the record
said no, but the question itself tells you how
mainstream that topic really has become in our
society. Meanwhile, the Pentagon has really been
trying to pour some cold water on the speculation,
its investigative office for unexplained aerial
maritime incidents, all the kind Domain Anomaly
Resolution Office or the AARO really released
an extensive review of decades of UFO claims
and their conclusion, there's no verifiable evidence
that alien craft or alien technology are in US
possessions nor are they hidden on bases underground
or even underwater. He said that most sightings
eventually turn out to be drones, balloons, sensor
glitches or atmospheric effects. His official
position though hasn't stopped the rumors from
thriving online or even the congressman. And
it's pretty tallied. I don't know if you had
an opportunity to look at that video online,
but he's walking and talking with somebody and
he has a lot of conviction that this thing is
real and that he's seen it and it's come from
a trusted source. Now moving a hundred miles
underwater is fantastic. Cool. Because though
we do have drones that go underwater or submarines
or some type of submersible, they do not go that
fast. So what could he be? talking about that's
just off our coastlines, which even to me is
a little bit more interesting. He's not saying
they're out in the middle of the water or they're
not out in the middle of the ocean. They're right
off our shore, almost as if they're spying on
us. Yeah, that's super interesting. Sometimes
I wonder, I always think in terms of shadow government,
because we know a lot of these electric officials,
some of them are career politicians and some
of them are in for four years now and you never
see them again. I've always postulated that the
people that actually run the government, the
generals, the people that run these agencies,
most of them are appointees that stick around
forever. Those are the people that I think really
know the truth. And I think a little bit stingy
giving this information to even people like the
current president or any sitting president, because
it's kind of like a need to know basis. And if
you're only going to be here for four to eight
years or whatever the terms are for some of these
senators and congressmen, you really don't need
to know. We just need you to pass the bill, pass
a budget bill so we get our money and our funding.
So it's interesting that he claims that he's
seen something. I assume he's never released
his video. I guess he got it firsthand from somebody
and it's just sitting around in some vault somewhere.
Yeah. He's randomly walking down a street, which
I presume is in DC talking to some. of reporter,
and he's just talking about it willy -nilly.
Now, my first inclination that this may be a
false flag is because if he, in fact, did possess
this intelligence, it would be under some type
of classification. Like, he wouldn't be allowed
to talk about it. But also, he looks very sane.
It doesn't look like he's off his rocker either.
He looks very like an intelligent, older man
and has possibly in his 60s. I'm just, it's conjecture
here, but that's what he looks like. So he looks
pretty sane, but it also would go against classification
and perhaps it would get him in trouble if some
of... this information was real. And I don't
know much, if anything, about this person from
Tennessee, but there has been a lot of interest
in UFOs. And with the interest, I tend to think,
is it just trying to drive more funding? Is he
trying to get more money to support this special
initiative? You talk a lot about these shadow
governments. I'm always of the belief that I
feel like we will never hit World War III until
it's like the apocalypse, because I believe this
entire world is guided and managed and informed,
everything that we do is dictated by the dollar
because people just want to make money. And I
get real tired of seeing it. People don't seem
to have any more passion or calls or concern.
Perhaps even some of the things that they're
pumping up, whether it be like LGBTQ philosophy
or whatever, is still usually supported by the
money. And if the money ran out, they would switch
sides really quickly. So it's always interesting
to see. And I always have this kind of questionable
edge against it. Yeah. I don't know. I often
think back to the other world wars and I'm assuming.
Even if you live during World War I or World
War II, like you thought maybe this is the apocalypse.
Maybe this is the end of times. I don't discount
another war, like a World War possibly happening.
And I think you're right about the money, but
I know like Russia, China, India, they're all
trying to create like a BRICS currency. So there's
an active plan in motion with some of these other
countries around the world, like China, to ultimately
replace the U .S. dollar. I think that could
potentially spark a World War because as soon
as the dollar is not number one, I think most
wars or banker's wars, they're just about money
and they're about people. trying to take financial
power and then using that financial power to
control other parts of the world. I don't know.
I think everyone thinks that they've, they're
in the last generation. Personally, could ours
be the last generation or kids? I don't know.
But I think we've done plenty of episodes about
technology and how it's advancing. I definitely
think we're fast tracking on that route, whether
or not that route is two or three years from
now or 20 or 30 years from now. I do feel like
we're knocking on the door at this point though.
Yeah, we're getting real close and the wars that
we usually hear about like US versus China. It's
really about money. It's about precious materials.
U .S., we might help Ukraine more, but... give
us drilling rights or Russia is going to take
it over because they want the national resources.
So it always seems to come down to money in my
mind. And that's my first inclination to start
looking for when we start to hear some of these
fantastical things. And then if you can convince
people otherwise, Russia invaded Ukraine and
they said it was because they're Nazis. Maybe
there were some Nazis there, but that wasn't
the real reason that they invaded. They were
just trying to connect that World War II kind
of pride to the invasion. It's about material
and we're doing the same thing. Let's take. we
can't support you. And there's some even claim
that's why we went to the Middle East and fought
two wars over there. I don't know if I always
believe all of that, but I feel like a lot of
the national pride and different things have
died away over time. And most people are worried
about their pocketbooks, but a little bit off
track. So tonight, obviously we're still continuing
down our little bit of a Halloween series as
we're entering October, which is always a fun
time. I live near the water and I look out on
the water every day. There is just something.
mystical about it. And you can't help to think
about whether they're real things or made of
things or conspiracies or possibilities. You
just can't help to think about it when you stare
out at the water. One of the most famous theories
that it involves our ocean is that the Titanic.
that never sank. Have you ever heard of this
conspiracy? Briefly, I looked at it and I kicked
it out the door, but I would love to hear more
about it for sure. Sure. So the Titanic obviously
isn't just one of history's greatest maritime
disasters. It's one of the most enduring mysteries.
When the unsinkable, the fortress of a ship went
down in 1912, it took over 1500 lives and more
than a century later, thousand unanswered questions
remain. But in the darker corners of history
and of the web, there's a theory. that the ship
lying two miles beneath the Atlantic isn't the
Titanic at all. The ideal goes like this. The
Titanic was switched with her nearly identical
sister ship, the Olympic, in a colossal insurance
scam going wrong. Both ships were built by the
White Star Line under the ownership of JP Morgan's
International Mercantile Marine Company. The
Olympic launched first in 1911 and then almost
immediately ran into lots of trouble. During
a naval exercise, she collided with the British
warship HMS Hawk, tearing open her hull and damaging
her keel. The accident was blamed on Olympic's
design, not the Navy's, meaning White Star couldn't
collect on insurance. The company was suddenly
bleeding a ton of money. So as the theory tells
it, the owners hatched a plan that would swap
the ships. The damaged Olympic would be disguised
as her new sister, the Titanic, given new fendings,
renamed, and sent out to sea for a tragic accident
that would allow the company to collect the full
insurance payout. Meanwhile, the real Titanic,
pristine and uninjured and perfect paint job,
would quietly become the Olympic and continue
sailing. Now, this sounds obviously outrageous,
but for believers, the details add up. They point
to photos showing differences in the number and
spacing of the Titanic's portholes that seem
to match the Olympics layout. They point to odd
reports of shipyard workers painting over nameplates
and refitting rooms between the two vessels.
Survivors even mentioned hearing crew members
refer to the ship as the Olympic by accident.
And then there was JP Morgan himself. As we know
him, the financial titan behind the White Star
Line. He was scheduled to sail on Titanic's maiden
voyage, but canceled at the very last minute.
His luggage, private suite, and even his art
collection were all offloaded from the ship,
but he didn't show up. Other high -profile individuals,
including industrialists close to Morgan, also
mysteriously dropped out. Some of his fiercest
rivals, however, men like John Jacob Astor In
the conspiracy version of history, this wasn't
a coincidence. It was simply a clean -up. The
idea that sinking served multiple purposes. The
first one was insurance fraud, but also the elimination
of key financial opponents to Morgan's banking
empire and the creation of conditions favorable
for establishing the Federal Reserve the following
year. The story turns out, from a maritime tragedy
into a financial murder mystery. Then there's
the ship itself. wreck. When explorers reached
that Titanic's remains in 1985, they found serial
numbers engraved on the propeller and engine
components. Conspiracy theorists quickly claim
these numbers matched Olympic's construction
ID and not the Titanic's, though others have
disputed that, and photographs from inside the
wreck show small designs inconsistent that, believe
or say, line up with the older ship. Now, of
course, the skeptics in this matter counter that
swapping two nearly 900 -foot ocean liners would
have almost been impossible. to conceal. But
those who live in the world of deep history and
hidden hands, the Titanic Switch theory isn't
about logistics. It's about motive, money, power,
control, and the ability to rewrite reality from
the docks of Belfast to the depths of the Atlantic,
even outside the Switch theory. To me, the Titanic
carries the aura of secrecy. Some say the iceberg
story doesn't hold up at all, that the ship exploded
from within or broke apart before impact. Others
suggest there was a fire in the coal bunker.
that wink at the hall long before she hit the
ice. There are whispers of cursed mummies, ghostly
omens, even predictions in fiction. So, whether
you see it as a coincidence, prophecy, or proof
of something larger, the Titanic's story has
become less about a single ship and more about
what it represents. is that the Titanic was actually
sunk by a German U -boat trying to provoke Britain
into the war, which I guess I could see how you
could draw that conclusion. There are some firsthand
accounts of people seeing weird movement in the
ocean, but you're on a lifeboat and you're seeing
a freaking ginormous ship sink. Of course, there's
gonna be strange bubbles, the gas pockets being
released, whatever's on the ship is starting
to bounce to the surface. I kind of discount
that theory pretty immediately. But I do think
it's interesting that there are several very
wealthy industrial Titans that were scheduled
to sail off on the Titanic. And at the last minute
they didn't go on the trip. And it's also interesting
that some of these people's arch nemesis, some
of their competitors did go. And if there is
a conspiracy behind that, which I think the ship
hit an iceberg, whether or not it was a Titanic
or not, I could see how somebody could take a
bus at ship and not want to repair it. And I
could see the argument, but I do think it's interesting
that certain particular people didn't make the
ride. Others did. Seems like an awful convenient
way to... get rid of your competition without
having to do anything too crazy, even though
sinking a ship is about as crazy as it gets.
It's a hell of a coincidence. And it really worked
out for JP Morgan during that time. The one reason
why I don't buy into that theory too much is
that I'm assuming that the people that died in
the water or died on the ship, their family members
likely sued the owner, which was JP Morgan Chase.
They likely had to pay an insurance payout anyways.
Perhaps it was lower than the cost of replacing
a ship altogether, but I don't think they escape
litigation. So yeah, there were some lawsuits
after the sinking of Titanic. They were filed
obviously against the white star line, but not
as many as people would think. The white star
line had established a process for compensating
their victims, but many survivors and families
of the dead felt they were offered far too little.
But I think when it all was said and done, I
think most of the claims were settled for a total
of $664 ,000, which is about $18 million in today's
money, which I would imagine if a cruise ship
sank today, you're looking at billions, not millions
in settlements. Yeah, that's true. They cost
probably, what, $200 million? Then the Titanic
or the Olympic had a lot of fine art and they
were like decked out to the gills with trying
to impress fancy people. I don't know what the
Titanic cost, but it was a huge astronomical
sum, but it sounds like it would surpass that.
So I guess if it did happen, I guess there was
motivation there of trying to cover it up, but
I find it hard to believe that you can switch
these two massive ships. Somebody would see these
ships moving around as people are all excited
to board them. The other one theory that you
brought up about the Germans sinking the Titanic.
I've not heard that conspiracy, but it's pretty
interesting. Nobody ever claimed that from, obviously,
from the German side. So I don't know what the
motivation would be if they're trying to goat
somebody into a war. So in May 7, 1915, a German
nude boat did shoot a torpedo at the Lusitania
and ended up killing 1 ,200 people. So this was
around the time of World War I, and the Germans
declared the waters around Great Britain a war
zone. And they did announce that they would sink
any ship neutral or otherwise that entered the
area. And they stuck to their words. I could
see how someone could make that conclusion because
it wasn't what three years after the fact and
that does make sense I don't believe it per se
I feel like a torpedo hitting a boat is a lot
different than scraping across a massive iceberg
both are traumatic but I think one happens a
little bit faster in terms of the damage and
the fire and all the explosions. As far as I
recount, there was no fires on the Titanic. It
simply ripped a big hole in its hull, and the
chambers of the boat slowly filled up, causing
it to capsize and split in half before it ultimately
sank. But I would think a torpedo would cause
a lot of fiery explosions from whatever was on
that ship. Yeah, it's a good point. And my history
lessons are a little bit fuzzy between 1912 and
1950 and World War I. I really started getting
arrested in World War II, and I researched a
lot of topics about that. But it sounds plausible.
but not possible in the realm of theories. Did
they claim it? Did they say, hey, we told you
so and we blew you out of the water? The Lusitania
they did, of course, definitely claimed it. I
thought you referred to the Titanic. No, they
never made a claim on the Titanic. No. No. The
story you were telling about the Lusitania. So
I was just curious, like, if they claimed that
one, then why wouldn't they have claimed the
second one? I don't know if there was peace.
I'm real fuzzy when the war ended. Yeah, the
war didn't start until 1914. So that would have
been two years. The sinking of the Titanic would
have been two years before. World War I started.
Doesn't mean they weren't being jerks to each
other though, so. Yeah. We see a lot of that
today. I think there's at least one country that
we live in are blowing up boats in the water.
Yeah. Right, bro. So I'm going to talk about
one more theory in reference to the Titanic that
I found really interesting. Again, I don't know
if it's possible, but I thought it was interesting.
There is a theory, quiet and scientific and what
they call unnervingly plausible that the Titanic
didn't just jive by ice. It died by fire, not
fire on board, but one burning 93 million miles
away. on the surface of the sun. In April of
1912, the Titanic obviously sank. And at that
time, the Earth's magnetic field was being bombarded
by one of the largest solar storms of the early
20th century. Modern researchers, looking back
at archived geomagnetic data, noticed something
strange. A spike, an unmistakable fingerprint
of a solar flare and a corneal mass injection
striking Earth's atmosphere. It was strong enough
to cause visible auroras as far south as the
Caribbean. And for hours, ship compasses across
the North... may have been off in their navigation
purposes. Now picture this, the Titanic, steaming
through an ocean full of ice warnings, is relying
on compasses and wireless signals to navigate.
But the instruments are lying. Even a one to
two degree deviation could nudge the ship several
miles off course, right into the path of an iceberg.
Some researchers propose that the same solar
storm might also explain why the wireless distress
calls that night were such a chaotic mess. The
Titanic's operators, Jack Phillips and Harold
Bride, famously sent repeated SOS signals, but
nearby ships like the Californian either didn't
receive them or heard them too late. The geomagnetic
surge could have disrupted radio transmissions,
blocking critical signals or bouncing them unpredictably
across the ionosphere. The FLIR theory waves
these anomalies together. The navigational errors,
the radio interference, the timing of the event
itself. It even fits eyewitness accounts. at
that time. Survivors described the sky glowing
strangely that night, a faint green shimmer above
the horizon, which could have been the aurora
borealis, visibly unusually far south, thanks
to the same geomagnetic storm. If that's true,
then the Titanic was not just undone by human
arrogance or this icy fate, but the sun itself.
A chain reaction started days earlier when a
solar flare erupted from the star's surface,
sending billions of tons of charged plasma racing
towards the earth. By the time those When those
particles reached the planet, the Titanic was
already underway. There was no warning system
for solar activity in 1912. No way to know that
an invisible wave of cosmic energy was distorting
compasses, scrambling their radio waves, and
quietly rewriting their fate. And here's where
it gets a little bit darker. Imagine the captain
and crew, confident in their navigation, unaware
that the very instruments guiding them were being
bent by a force beyond human control. The iceberg
wasn't destiny, it was a side effect. The ship
might not have been in the iceberg's pathway
at all, not for that magnetic push from the solar
storm. When you think about it, that theory feels
poetic. The Titanic, a symbol of human achievement,
undone by hubris alone, but by nature at its
most cosmetic. Not by what we built, but by the
star that made us. So maybe in quiet... calculus
of history, the Titanic wasn't just struck by
ice, perhaps it was struck by the sun. Now to
me, it's plausible. Like we have those solar
storms today. They usually interfere, whether
it be with satellites, navigation, they interfere
with our electronic equipment and they do cause
the Ouroborialis in the sky. Usually it's over
the towards the Nordic or the cold countries,
but every once in a while you can even see it
here in the United States when a solar flare
pops on the radar. So what do you think about
that? Maybe the engineers and navigators didn't
make all the mistakes. Perhaps they were trusting
the wrong equipment when they struck the iceberg.
I still think you can see an iceberg if you're
paying attention. From what I gather, they purposely
sailed into it. So they wanted to break like
a speed record and they wanted to get from...
where they're leaving in Southampton to, I think
it was going to New York, I could be wrong. But
I think they did it because they wanted publicity
and they wanted to show how incredible this ship
is. A couple other theories, and I wouldn't even
call these conspiracy, I guess technically. they
meet the definition of conspiracy, which I think
are probably 95 % accurate. You ever hear of
the cool fire theory? So essentially what that
is, is that there's strong evidence that there
was a bunker fire that was burning inside of
the Titanic before it left South Hampton. So
there are plenty of photos taken beforehand that
kind of show like this blackened area on the
ship's hall where the fire was burning. And a
bunch of survivors and some engineers later testified
that the fire was still being fought even after
the ship set sail. As you can imagine, steel.
As it heats up, it starts to become more malleable.
And they think this was probably the cause as
to why it sank so catastrophically because the
steel was weak, malleable, was starting to become
flexible. And when the iceberg hit it, the hole
that it ripped into the side of the ship was
so much more catastrophic than it otherwise would
have been. Otherwise it may have been able to
sustain and the pump houses may have been able
to keep up with the water as they got to safety.
And all this is because they wanted to make these
headlines, man. People cutting corners and safety
and there's a bunch of. hubris about how the
ship is unsinkable. And there was some pretty
good evidence too, that they had poor quality
rivets and they were doing that to cut costs.
And at the end of the day, there was like a whitewashing
of the events. The official British inquiry cleared
the white star line of criminal negligence, which,
you know, money talks. And I'm sure Brits didn't
want to have that on their record of one of their
big companies sailing. At one point in time,
they were masters of the sea and you don't want
that on your record. And they portrayed Captain
Smith. the guy who went down with the ship, portrayed
him as a hero and also the officers that were
with him. So there was really never any blame
cast anywhere. And the whole thing was whitewashed.
And it's just a national tragedy that I think
it comes down to, like you said earlier, the
mighty dollar. People in this case were trying
not to lose money. So they were cutting costs
and taking safety for granted by not putting
the lifeboats on and not delaying the departure
because of potential financial losses because
of a fire that was burning in one of the coal
bunkers. It's just crazy stuff, dude. powered
by coal. I always think about the old coal powered
trains from back in the day where guys are shoveling
the coal into the massive fire to make the train
go faster and faster. When you talk about the
speed that you're trying to set and a massive
fire potentially sinking the ship reminds me
of that. And what do you do to get something
faster? You give it more energy and energy is
coal. Perhaps they were trying to make it go
so fast that they had started to have critical
failures or an uncontrolled fire. I could see
where that's very plausible. And Perhaps there
was like a series of failures. It seems very
weird to me, regardless if there's a solar flare
coming down that's messing with your navigation
instruments. Maybe it's a really foggy night.
I think we've all seen that Titanic movie with
Leonardo DiCaprio. I know I was in high school
and I took my girlfriend to it and it was a two
hour horrible movie. I was forced to set through
it. We've all seen it. And obviously during this
time, there were heroes that tried to save folks,
even if they made a lot of critical mistakes
along the way. But man, I just feel like there
must've been a series series of critical mistakes.
So perhaps a fire started, they lost steering
of the ship somehow after that critical fire.
And then even though they saw the iceberg, there
wasn't much they could do about it. Their fate
was laid out before them and they crashed into
and that's ultimately what undid everything.
But I could see that kind of like chain of events
occurring that ultimately led to the sinking.
Cause I can't see is experienced navigators and
somebody that's obviously must've hired some
of the best to ride their big, beautiful machines
and to just crash into an iceberg. of the weather
seems a little bit hokey to me, unless they were
drunk and enjoying a good party on the ship and
just weren't paying any attention. Otherwise,
it seems a little bit hokey. It seems like they
would have saw it come in course corrected and
they would have been fine. But perhaps it was
a series of just unfortunate events and their
fate was laid out before them. Yeah, a lot of
stuff. But man, I feel like, I know we're talking
about the Titanic, but man, that topic has been
beat up back and forth. I think we know what
happened. I don't think it was a U -boat. I don't
think it was, ugh. Curse mummy. That's another
silly one, but I guess I should touch on it since
I've opened my big mouth, but apparently That's
a good one for Halloween. That one sounds fun.
Yeah, so apparently the claim is that they were
transporting a curse mummy aboard and it was
the Titanic suck because of a mummy curse and
we've heard of mummy curses before where guys
are exploring the pyramids and they touch these
mummies or start digging them off and next thing
they die of some mysterious illness within day
or two, but yeah, I think that one's But happy
Halloween. The conspiracies always start somewhere.
I read a story a long time ago, and I may chop
up the details here, but the very wealthy people
back in the day used to consume mummies. I don't
know if they snorted them or ate them or what,
but it believed it would heal them. I heard that,
dude. That's so gross. It's so gross. Perhaps
because there are so many wealthy people and
they're like, let's bring a big mummy. We're
going to do lines, mummy lines across the deck.
I wonder if it was a giant mummy. That'd be cool.
Yeah. So we're talking about monsters and there's
a lot of stories about monsters connected to
the sea. There is one very famous one locally
to me that is called Chessy. Chessy is the kind
of the Leviathan of the Bay. And I go to some
coffee shops local to me and you see a painted
on sides of buildings. It's very famous. And
the Chesapeake Bay really isn't known for monsters.
It's known for watermen, crab pots, and quiet
sounds of tides against the old piers that are
always falling down in every storm. It's a place
where the horizon is pretty flat, there's not
a lot of hills, and the air hums with this like
humidity, the fog and everything's rolling in.
Every morning you can hear the fog horns on the
ships blowing out. But ask anyone who's lived
here long enough and they'll tell you a story
about something that lives under the surface
of the water, something that doesn't belong to
this century, maybe not even to this world. They
call it Chessy, not the cuddly cartoon mascot
on local bumper sticker. but the real chest.
The one whispered about on docks after midnight
when the wind goes still and the bay looks like
a mirror. The first stories go back nearly 100
years. Fishermen out of Baltimore, sailors out
of North Folk, crabbers in small skiffs, all
telling the same and possible thing. A long dark
shape rising and rolling through the water 30
feet or more from head to tail. Some said it
had humps. Others said they had like a horse
or a serpent. None of them could really explain
it and none of them forgot it. In the spring
of 19 - A Maryland couple caught it on film,
a home video camera trembling in their hands
as something moved through the bay with this
impossible grace, rising and dipping, coiling
and vanishing. The video is pretty damn grainy,
but the motion is unmistakable, too fluid for
a log, too organic for a wave, and too strange
to be nothing. People laughed at first, they
always do, but the sightings kept coming from
boaters, from pilots, from beach goers along
the Kent Island shores. mahogany river. Some
solid at dawn, others at night, always alone,
always in silence. Locals say Chessie's been
here longer than our lighthouses, that she's
tied to the spirit of the bay itself, the dark
brackish heat where fresh water meets the salt,
where visibility drops and the world turns as
green and cold. Some say she's centennial. a
guardian of the deep, born from the same chaos
that gave us Leviathan. Others whisper she's
a survivor, the last of something ancient left
behind when the world moved on. And then there
are the stranger theories, that Chessie isn't
just an animal itself, but a signal, an emissary
from beneath, connected to the same unseen network
of energy that powers the oceans deep as anomalies.
Some tire to the rumors of the underwater bases
off the coast, the same kind that Congressman
Burchette and others hinted at. Maybe Chessy
isn't a creature we're meant to catch. Maybe
she's one we're meant to notice. Because there
really is something unnerving about her consistency.
Same description, same motion, and same zones
over all of these decades. Folklore shouldn't
be that precise. Mis -evolve and stories change.
Chessy doesn't. She just is. And maybe that's
what scares people. Not that she exists, but
that she doesn't care if we believe. She's a
reminder that even here in a bay lined with suburban
lights and naval stations, the abyss still leaks
through we like to think we've mapped everything
that the age of monsters really has ended and
the maps have all filled in every once in a while
when i'm sitting on my dock looking at the water
the air does go cold perhaps someone's seeing
her again dark and silent and watching and perhaps
for a moment you realize that leviathan is still
among us scary stuff man did they say what the
this picture these sightings did they say what
they saw other than was it like the Loch Ness
monster where it has this big dinosaur looking
neck coming out or what was the description of
those pictures? Yeah. I looked at the video probably
about a year ago from 1982. And then obviously
as you just listen to people's description of
her, she's very much like the Loch Ness monster.
Very consistent, long neck. It almost looks like
a dinosaur. What did they call it? Was it the
bronchiosaurus? They had the long neck. They
ate the leaves and shit. It almost looks like
that. Yeah, I used to be obsessed with the dinosaurs
as a kid, and I forgot all their names. Yeah,
but it almost looks like that, like halfway cut
off with the long neck and stuff. It's very interesting.
If you read the Bible, too, they talk about leviathan.
So it's not a mystical beast. It is a real beast
as well. Yeah, it's interesting because I like
deep diving the Bible and looking at like the
root Hebrew words that like the original writers
would use. And obviously we're translating these
words, some of them from like our cultural perspective
and some of them are being translated ignoring
the cultural perspective back in the day. And
in Genesis five, and this has to do with Leviathan.
And this might be something for a much deeper
dive. I played around looking at it the past
week. I didn't really get too far with it. But
when you look at Genesis on day five, when God
was doing his creation, Genesis chapter one,
verse 20 said, God said, I command the ocean
to be full of living creatures. I command the
birds to fly above the earth. So God made the
giant sea monsters and all the living creatures
that swim in the ocean. Giant sea monsters. What?
And the Hebrew word for that is tenin and it
translates to sea monsters, dragon or serpent.
So the Leviathan is very interesting and we'll
touch on it here. But God, what does that mean
to me? I know some people refer to Leviathan
as like a whale. Some people say crocodile. A
lot of theologians have kicked the crocodile
and alligator out the door because it really
doesn't fit the description. But I just think
it's super interesting that God He said he created
sea monsters. And I don't know, man, you go with
that as you may. And that Tannion is also used
for the term dragon. And we know there's a ton
of references to the dragon, be it Satan, Lucifer.
There's also the word the Hosh, which means serpent.
If you look at the translations in the Bible,
from what I gather, the term the Hosh was used
as the quote unquote serf that tempted Eve. And
I'm wondering if the Leviathan is an actual physical
creature, which according to the word of God,
it looks like it is. I also think it's used in
terms of allegory. So it's just an interesting
little tidbit there. And I don't think we were
prepared to have an in -depth conversation about
Leviathan. And I think even cross -culturally,
there's a lot of myths and legends that maybe
don't use the term Leviathan per se, but uses
the term Kraken and some other type mythological
terms for this. But I don't know, man, it's in
the Bible, so something's out there. Whether
or not it's dead or alive, who knows? That's
part of a deep dive we'll have to do later. I
think it's a super interesting topic. In the
Hebrew Bible, the Leviathan isn't just a big
fish. It's really a primordial being, a serpent
of the sea born from chaos itself. Its first
appearance is in the book of Job, chapter 41,
where God describes it very directly. Can you
draw out a Leviathan with a hook? His scales
are his pride, shut up together as with a close
seal. Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and
sparks of fires leap out. And here, Leviathan
is not a metaphor. It's really divine terror.
Its body is described as armor, its breath as
flame, his heart as stone. God alone can subdue
it. The message is cosmic. There are forces in
creation that exist beyond human control and
beyond even our understanding. In Psalms, Leviathan
is called the dragon that dwells in the sea.
And in Isaiah, it's foretold in the end of times.
The Lord will punish Leviathan, the fleeing serpent,
Leviathan, the twisted serpent. He will slay
the dragon that is in the sea. You know, here,
Leviathan isn't just a creature. It's also a
symbol of chaos, destruction, and rebellion against
God's divine order. It's the ocean given in a
mind and a will, and like the living embodiment
that is unattainable. What I saw was that ancient
Jewish mystics went further. They believed that
there were two leviathans, male and female, created
during the dawn of the world. God fearing they
would multiply and destroy all life, killed the
female and pregripped her flesh as food for the
righteous in the end of days. And the male was
left to hunt the abast immortal and waiting.
Later in the book of Enoch, writings really turn
leviathan into this kind of cosmic being. One
half of the ultimately polarity alongside a behemoth,
the monstrous land creature and Ziz, the bird
of heavens. formed these three primal beasts
of the earth, sea, and sky. Force is meant to
balance creation, but threatening to overturn
it. Obviously it's something, and as you said,
the Bible talks and symbolism a lot of the time,
but what you can associate with the Leviathan
is evil. And you see these reports all over the
world, people talking about the same or very
similar type of beast. I know there's a very
famous one in Ireland that people talk about
all the time, but the same kind of chassis beast
tends to show up all around the world and people
having these similar experiences. I don't know
personally, like obviously God said it exists.
So I believe that it exists, but I don't know
exactly what it is. I don't know if they're just
talking about this is where like Satan or evil
dwells, but in the Bible, there is a lot of symbolism
with water and destruction, obviously destruction
Noah's time, but also destruction revelations
when the sea essentially boils and everything
is killed within it. So it is a peaceful lot
of people go to the ocean or to body. of water
to find peace. It's one of the reasons I live
on the water is because just looking out at the
water brings me a lot of peace and makes me feel
the most closer to God as I go out there to pray
or what have you. It gives me the peace I need
to raising two small kids, running a large business,
running a podcast. It gives me a little bit of
peace before I go into my chaotic day. But with
peace and in our fallen world, there's always
that polar opposite of danger or evil or destruction.
That peace can destroy you, especially when it's
not tied to God. I don't know what a Leviathan
is. I do know that a lot of people say they have
seen them and some people almost refer to it
as like a Bigfoot like creature. Plain people
have obviously said they saw Bigfoot, but no
real evidence of that occurring. And the longer
we go down the road, if honestly, if I don't
see it with my own eyes, I don't know if I'd
even believe it anymore. You go on social media
now and people have videos that are completely
AI generated and you can't tell fact from fiction,
the call back to project blue beam, but something's
out there and I know. when I set in my dock near
the shore and it's late, if it's 10 o 'clock
and I'm just going out there to have a drink
or something, it does get a little spooky out
there the later it gets. Yeah, man. The ocean's
freaky at night for sure. I enjoy it during the
day. I start playing in the waves in the middle
of the night, man. You're like, what is underneath
my feet? Or what is in this water 15 feet in
front of me? It freaks me out. I know a lot of
my employees, I talk to them and some of them
are like, I'm terrified to even get in the ocean
because I can't see all the way through it. Maybe
I'd be different if I was in the Caribbean or
something and the water's crystal clear, but
they're like, count me out. There's at least
a shark or a jellyfish or something that's going
to get me if I step one foot. I'm staying completely
away from it. But yeah, I think ultimately that's
why we hear a lot of myths that come from the
ocean because regardless of what's in there,
and even if sharks or whatever are going to attack
you, even if they're not, it can be a very scary
place. You always hear the ones down here from
the mariners known as 12 tides, six rising, six
falling, covered by the pole of the moon and
its cycles. But in their Mariner's almanac from
the 14th century, Spinks of the 13th tide, a
hidden cycle that comes once every thousand years.
According to their almanac, the 13th tide is
not measured in hours, but in centuries. This
slow unseen current that moves along the Earth's
magnetic field, drawing these seas higher, thinning
the veil between worlds. It's called the deep
door. In 2026, oceanographers will record a rare
alignment. The moon? the sun and several planetary
bodies forming this kind of gravitational renaissance
of unseen, really since antiquity. The tides
will surge inches higher practically. But for
those who listen, the ocean will... Hum, the
deep door opening. Legends say that when the
13th tide arrives, the sea will reveal what it
has kept. The cities, the voices, the memory
of Eden before the flood. Some say the dead will
speak again, their echoes writing the waves.
Others say the sea will simply breathe out, releasing
everything it has held since creation. Now it's
pretty easy to dismiss this myth unless it's
recounting what we're told in Revelations, but
the timing is perfect. The world grows restless.
The waters rise. in the current calm beneath
her feet like prophecy remembering itself. In
Revelation, there is no more sea, not because
it's gone, but because it has finally completed
its purpose. The 13th tide may in fact be that
moment, the deep closing in a story. The waters
returning to the heavens that they once fell
from. Until then, the ocean moves into 12 tides,
patient, relentless, rehearsing that final one
that will never fall. And then when it comes,
it won't be a wave. Perhaps it will be a voice.
And I just kind of always find - fascinating,
like connecting the Mariners myth that they always
talk about to revelations and perhaps what it
could be. Yeah. I feel like just from my research,
there's a lot of like even Celtic and Polynesian
lore around the 13th tide. It's, I don't know,
man, it almost sounds like fantasy to me. I guess
it's an interesting myth. The fact that it comes
around every thousand years, it's not like there's
somebody, you know, that we can know that has
seen it. But yeah, I think in like Irish mythology,
the 13th tide is linked to Tuatha Danann. It's
a mythical race retreating underwater and after
the great flood, it echoes some of those myth
narratives. The Polynesians describe it as like
the 13th moon tide. And like you said, unveiling
hidden islands or treasures only to reclaim them
again when the tide returns. I don't know. I
think these are just. cultural memories that
harken back to maybe their ancestors. It's interesting.
It's an interesting campfire story. And I think
some of these, I guess you could draw the conclusion
and kind of point it back to like stories like
Atlantis. I know for a hundred percent, like
there was a global flood. There's a lot of global
flood myths, like the survivors of the flood
as they repopulate the earth and as they become
more paganistic or started worshiping other gods,
they came up with their own myths surrounding
the actual event. And I think. Under the water,
there's probably a significant amount of lost
civilizations, villages, cities that we don't
see. We can't see because we haven't really explored
much of the ocean floor. I know on the coast
of several continents and several islands, there
are underwater structures that are linked back
to five, 10, even 15 ,000 years in some cases.
And I find those are super fun to look into.
That's all good points. I think about the cities
that are submerged just because of the rising
waters from either ice melt or whatever. it may
be to towns that were purposely submerged to
form lakes, to help society out. There's some
human caused disaster and some that are more
divine. But yeah, I think what we see is that
the sea is changing. If you go visit the Caribbean
now, you see all these algae blooms. You see
all this shit that's washing up on the - Is it
sorghum? Yeah, that stuff's terrible. Yeah, there's
sorghum, which is disgusting and it carries bacteria.
I feel like none of that was a thing when I was
a kid. I remember going there like on our cruise.
and stuff when we're little kids. And I don't
remember hearing about it. I don't remember thinking
about it. But now it seems you can't escape it.
So things are changing out there. And the environment
is changing along with it as well. Not to mention
that, I guess, between California and Hawaii,
there's just a garbage pile of the size of Texas
floating out there in the middle of the ocean.
That's so disgusting. Dude, people pollute. And
it's horrible. And living on the water, I absolutely
have to clean my little area. And garbage rolls
up on shore. Every single day, some of it's hard
to get to because it's in like the seagrasses
and different things, but bottles, shotgun shells,
you name it. Tires. I've had a tire wash up before.
I don't know where it's all coming from, but
it washes up consistently and people are just
disgusting. So I can only imagine when there's
no roles because the Chesapeake Bay is heavily
regulated and you get in a lot of trouble if
you caught doing it, but other places where there's
no regulation. That's super disgusting, man.
Yeah, dude. I was listening to a podcast and
it was. talking about the amount of plastic particulates
in the ocean now. And it's so bad that a lot
of the seafood you eat actually has plastic particles
on like the cellular level. So you can't even
eat fish or shrimp or what else have you without
getting a healthy dose of plastics in your diet.
I don't know if you can eat any, I don't know
if you can drink the water anymore without getting
the plastics. It seems like everything's contaminated
now. And perhaps that's why the lifespan has
dropped significantly over the centuries. I just
don't understand why we use plastic for everything.
Listen, it's a great material. But I think it
should be used now. I feel like I'm turning into
a hippie, but it is what it is. I feel like it
should be used to house and contain certain things
for a long period of time. You shouldn't be in
this cook zero that I'm Drake. I should have
a glass bottle or something else that's not going
to never fully degrade or at least. not take
10 ,000 years to finally be adapted back into
the environment. It's cheap and convenient. That's
why if you buy soda in a glass bottle, it's more
expensive. Glass is harder to make, harder to
produce, harder to ship. I get it. It's all about
the dollar again. Exactly. Even though it's all
really bad for you. I remember when I was in
law enforcement and I went down to serve in the
Hurricane Katrina disaster in New Orleans. We
were down and I spent several months down there
and they used to airdrop water bottles on the
tops of parking. garages, so we'd have something
to drink. And eventually you would sometimes
run out of water and you try to make your way
up to the parking garages. And you're very happy
that you found this case of water that was stacked
up in there in the New Orleans heat and sun for
many weeks, perhaps months or longer. And you
would crack a bottle of water open and the plastic
was so degraded on the water bottle. That was
flimsy of whatever Aquafina or whatever it was.
And you would drink the water and you could taste
the plastic in it. It's really, it's disgusting
when you have no choice. That's, that is what
it is. Dehydrate or get a healthy dose of plastic.
Yeah There's all kinds of, we used to do a conspiracy
theory show just on the hurricane Katrina because
I experienced a lot of it. And I had fortunately
got the Katrina cough while I was down there.
And that's what they called it. Nobody knew what
the hell it was. You got the black lung pop?
It was awful. I remember still, I don't know
if I still have the card anymore, but I went
to a military campsite to get treated, to get
meds. And they gave me this blue card that was
punched. I forget what, they gave me some kind
of pills. I don't know what they were, but yeah,
I had to get trained at a military campsite because
there was no meds. medical services. Did you
cough like Zoolander when it happened? It's like
a whooping cough or something. It's probably
just from all the, there's lots of mold that
you can tend to, which I am allergic to, but
there was also oil and trash and everything else
that was mixed in with the water. It was probably
just a mixture of nasty. I probably lost 10 years
of my life just serving down there for a few
months. I can't want to have like a city like
that gets just completely destroyed. I can't
imagine the amount of just pollutants that get
released into the environment. And then when
you have to slog through it for months on end,
I don't know. That's just asking for trouble.
Yeah, it's there to help people, even though
who knows. I'm not saying, I'm not saying you
particularly asking for trouble. I'm just saying
just us as a society setting up things the way
they're set up when you're not careful with it,
or you decide to use certain plastics or chemicals
in a highly dense area. When and if, inevitably
when something catastrophic happens, you're just
contaminating not only the wildlife, but the
people that survive the event. Yeah. And those
places that are built like New Orleans that have
the flood walls. I remember when I was leaving,
they're like, so next time it happens, are you
going to come back down? That was their parting
words to me. Thanks for helping. Next time you
going to come back down. I don't get paid enough
for this crap, dude. At the time, for being a
poor cop at the time and money was pretty good
for me, but it was an experience that I will
have for the rest of my time. There was a lot
of good things that happened. There was a lot
of bad things that happened. One of the memories
that always stuck with me is doing evacs out
of buildings and getting shot at from rooftops.
Really? Like I'm here to help and I'm getting
shot at. I know we're completely off base on
what the show is. I almost feel like this topic
was this way too broad for us to be super specific
with anything. But I feel like that's a big thing
that the, just the media and the government covered
up was like the sheer amount of violence that
happened after that event. We should do a whole
show on it. It would be actually pretty interesting
because I got a lot of firsthand experience,
but yeah, I could tell you some things that would
shock you. And not a lot of people remember anymore,
but there was a whole hell of a lot of violence.
And it was the first time that we did true martial
law. in a major city in the United States and
what that looked like. I could tell you some
good stories with that. Yeah. Just a few kind
of accounts that I've heard. Like there was a
lot of retribution toward people. It literally
turned into Mad Max. It was. Very much. There
was a lot of shootings. We had military units
engaging in combat, urban warfare that was going
on that nobody wants to talk about. Of course
they don't want to talk about it because it's
supposed to be America. We're not supposed to
do that or have that happen. But it's just, to
me, it just kind of harkens to the future, when
and if society collapsed. like that's going to
be everywhere. That's not just because we're
civilized doesn't mean that if something catastrophic
happens and the powers that be aren't around
to keep stuff in control. You got 72 hours to
get with your neighbors and try to protect each
other or you're just dealing with, like I said,
the Mad Max syndrome where everyone's out for
themselves. So you have warlords and next thing
you know, you're being robbed, raped or killed.
It was even the cops. The communication wasn't
as good as it is today, but all the independent
law enforcement agencies and contractors and
different people that came down to help down
there. Communication wasn't good. So they could
only communicate within like their kind of working
network. And there's been almost like times where
cops are going to shoot at cops because they
didn't know who they were and everybody was freaked
out. I reminded you of Walking Dead. You had
like roaming bandits and you had cops that didn't
know others were cops. And in the middle of the
night and the power wasn't restored for a very
long time, it was scary when you see five dudes
with AR -15s and you're like, okay, are you good
or are you bad? And we got to figure this out.
Especially when you're hearing gunshots all night,
you're like, I don't know what's happening. You
might as well be in war. It felt like it. Anyway,
bro. Tail for a different day. Yeah. So I don't
think we can conclude. our final kind of Halloweeny
episode without talking about ghost ship. Keep
talking to me. It'd be 10 o 'clock and I'll be
losing my mind. I get up with little kids. We
can't talk about this episode without talking
about ghost ships and phantom vessel. So here
we go. This sea has always carried really this
fascination with vessels that shouldn't really
exist. These drifting hulks, phantom sails, and
these ghostly lives. gliding along the horizon.
What I researched was across the centuries, sailors
have spoken of ships that disappear, reappear,
and never knock at all. These are the ghost ships,
the spectral vessels that are adrift between
worlds. Their sails filled not with wind, but
with memory. The most famous of all of them is
the Flying Dutchman, a cursed ship said to roam
the oceans forever, never able to reach port.
According to that legend, the captain defied
divine will during a violent storm. swearing
he would round the Cape of Good Hope even if
it took all of eternity. And so eternity claimed
him. For centuries, mariners have reported seeing
a phantom vessel glowing with this greenish or
a bluish light emerging from the mist or rising
from beneath every storm's shadow. As I saw it,
this story first appeared in the 17th century
during the Dutch East India Company's golden
age, but it never really has faded. Even into
the 20th century, entire crews claimed to see
the Dutchman passing their bow, sails tattered
by illuminated, though from within. Some say
that if you hailed the ship or accept a message
from it, you invite your very own death, because
the Dutchman carries not cargo, but the souls
of the damned. Kind of sounds scary. Skeptics,
of course, suggest that such visions might be
atmospheric mirages, especially the phenomenon
known as Fata Morgana, in which layers of warm
and cold air bend light to create floating illusions
on the sea. A lot of people say they see the
same thing in the desert. But in those conditions,
a distant ship may appear to hover in midair
or glow with unnatural brightness. And yet there's
something stubborn about the legend's persistence,
about the sailors who swear they saw a va - vessel,
where no vessel could possibly be. And perhaps
the Dutchman is not a mirage at all, but something
far older, a relic kind of echoing endlessly
across time and across the oceans tide. Ghost
ships aren't just myths. They have appeared in
maritime history more than once. I think we consider
the SS Bay Chimo, an Alaskan trading vessel trapped
in Arctic ice in 1931. The crew abandoned it,
expecting it to sink, but the ship refused. For
decades afterward, witnesses claimed to see the
Baychimo drifting silently through the fog, frozen
and forgotten, but still afloat. Indigenous hunters,
merchant crews, even research teams reported
sightings well into the 1960s and 70s. A vessel
without crew, without anchor, and endlessly wandering.
A kind of ghost made of this like steel and salt
water. Then there are the haunted wrecks. The
ships that truly sank yet seem to carry echoes
of those final moments. The RMS Rome. A male
steamer sunk in 1867. the British Virgin Islands.
It's said to be one of the most haunted shipwrecks
in the world. Divers had reported strange sensations,
sudden chills, muffled screams, or even feeling
of invisible eyes watching them from the dark.
Some even seen orbs drifting among the coral
encrusted iron or hear the faint clanging of
tools where no one dives. It's as if tragedy
itself soaked into the wreck, preserved in salt.
Even fiction seems to sense this truth. In Francis
Mirrencroffer's 1885 story, The Upper Bur - The
passenger aboard an ocean liner hears groaning
from the bunk above him, the upper berth, where
he finally opens the curtain. He finds not a
man, but a clammy, oozy mass and a violent ghost
encounter unfolds. The tale in this fictional
book endures because it feels real, because we
understand the sea and kind of the supernatural
or. really just natural allies. Confined spaces,
isolation, the sound of water pressing against
the walls. It's no wonder these nightmares take
place at the sea. But what if ghost ships are
not illusions and not simply memories? Some theorists
suggest they are dimensional echoes. Vessels
caught between worlds, existing half in ours
and half in another. Maybe the Dutchman or the
Baychimo are not the same ship, but the same
phenomenon. Tragedies replaying themselves, looping
endlessly, their energy burned into the fabric
of the ocean. Others imagine these ships as resurrected
matter, pulled back into being by this, what
they called an electromagnetic or a psychic field
where death and decay really lose their meaning.
Perhaps when the veil between the worlds thins,
during storms, during these magnetic surges or
these solar flares, the dead ships returned briefly,
visibly from that kind of sinking shadow as they
described it. In maritime folklore, ghost ships
have always been what they called omens, a sighting
foretell disaster, a storm, a death at sea. Sellers,
as I've heard it once whispered, to see a phantom
sail on the horizon was to know your own fate
had already been written on the water. The ocean
itself, seems to delight in these warnings, showing
us flashes of the past as premonitions of the
future. For those who live by the sea, it is
both home and judgment, a place that never forgets.
I get it, man. It's when we were kids. We talked
about this on the last episode, but you're young,
you're in a room, the lights were out. You would
get scared because the fear of the unknown, darkness,
and everything felt really big to you at that
time. You don't really feel small in this world
as an adult until you go out into the middle
of the ocean or the middle of the desert, someplace
so vast and so large that you can't see the other
end of it. And you not only feel alone, you are
very alone. So I can see these ghost stories
popping up about these Dutchmans that ultimately
make it into movies as well, just from being
scared, man. And you got these sellers and if
you ever met a mariner or somebody that's pulling
crabs from the bay, they're pretty damn tough
people. And they're not going to, I think maybe
they're telling ghost stories to justify those
fears of the unknown of perhaps what's going
to happen to them if they fall into the water
and while their ship's running and they get left
behind or. perhaps just a snake rattling around
in one of their places they sleep, one of their
berths and they're afraid of the snake. So they
call it a sea monster. I don't know, but it makes
me think about it. Yeah. I don't know. I often
think about like sailors, like pre -modern sailors,
like pre 1915, pre 1920. So like fun fact, a
lot of these ships would take canned goods with
them. And a lot of these canned goods were either
sealed with lead or they're actually in lead
containers. And when you get lead poisoning,
dude, you start to hallucinate. And hallucinations
lead to paranoia, paranoia leads to psychosis.
And I could see how a bunch of sailors back in
1715 are out whaling, crabbing, doing whatever,
traversing wherever in the world. And they're
a bunch of psychotic idiots because of the amount
of lead in their systems. So you might see something
mundane. Not that it's mundane. You might see
something like a whale or a seal or an octopus.
And next thing you know, everyone thinks there's
a sea monster attacking you. Or you might see
something on the horizon, not really see what
it is. it is. Heck, you can see another vessel.
And if you guys are all hopped up on lead poisoning,
you're making some pretty fantastic stories,
like you're hallucinating stuff. And the other
kind of culprit in this duo is scurvy. Another
thing, not having enough vitamin C deficient
causes you to hallucinate as well. So you have
a double whammy. Scurvy. Lead poisoning, like
it must've been a mental ward on some of these
ships, man. I don't know how they, I don't know
how half of them survived or came back to land
and were able to integrate back into society
after being on the sea for months with these
two pretty big psychiatric conditions. The scurvy
you can remedy once you get your proper intake,
but lead poisoning, that stuff doesn't really
filter out your system super fast. I think that's
why sometimes sailors pre -modern era kind of
had a bad rap of being crazy because I don't
think it was necessarily their fault. They were
just. inundated with lead in their brains. Yeah.
And probably copious amounts of alcohol didn't
help as well, which sales are famous. Yeah. Yeah.
So a lot of those ghost ship stories, a lot of
those sea monster stories, I just related back
to massive lead poisoning and scurvy. I always
wonder how you always hear the stories of walk
the plank from like the old pirate tales and
stuff. It doesn't really shock me. I couldn't
imagine being locked up with 20 men. I don't
know how many people ultimately sailed on these
ships. I guess it depends on the ship. But being
locked up with somebody for six, eight months,
like crossing the sea, I probably would hate
everybody when I kill everybody. I'm sure like
the massive amount of paranoia, especially with
the ship captains and the officers. Once you
start seeing all these guys that are just, and
I think a lot of these people too, that worked
on these ships, they're destitute and it's the
only form of work. And some of them were actually
given the chance, like either go to jail or you
go on a ship. So some of them were criminals.
So I just think the combination of. Like I said,
the lead and the lack of vitamin C and then dealing
with criminals. Like it's just a breeding ground
for psychosis and just paranoia and just craziness.
Yeah. Yo, I watch a lot of these sailing videos
on YouTube, like Sam Holmes sailing and stuff,
but there is one where the guy's just isolated.
Like he has this very tiny ship and he will spend
like a month like going from California to Hawaii
or something and be completely by himself. And
there'd be days where massive rainstorms would
come and he's like trying to bail water from
his. ship and just fighting it all by himself.
And the only company he has is a camera in his
face as he records it. Just the isolation aspect
would probably drive you nuts after a while.
At least it would me. Could you imagine like
being on a boat by yourself for a month and just
hoping you won't die? Dude, it would be horrible.
It's almost like being in solitary confinement,
except you have to worry about a rogue wave turning
you over. Oh man, it's gotta be the worst. But
some people are very adventurous and some people
like solitude. I'm not one of them. I like a
certain amount of solitude, but not - Days on
end or weeks on end. Yeah. It's okay to date
yourself after, even after a day, I'm like, all
right, let's go, let's go do something. I don't
know. I always liked my single days a little
bit because I could be like, get up late on a
Saturday and watch some TV and then play some
video games, go work out. Like I might see a
couple of people and then come home and just
chill out. Like those are good days too. Yeah,
but imagine being on a boat with no TV, no internet,
no cell phone. I guess you have a satellite phone,
but you're not serving the net on it. A lot of
people have. TVs now, thanks to Elon Musk constellations
in the sky. So you can get those. Gotcha. Yeah.
Everybody's putting them on ships and on RVs
and campers and stuff so they can watch whatever
they want or surf the internet or what have you.
Yeah. I think this is a good point to end. I
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Jesus loves you. I love you. I love you, brother.
What'd you got to say anything? As we wrap up
our Halloween stuff, obviously tonight we sailed.
through the deep files, through these ghost ships,
through the waters, through these ancient stories
that perhaps have been forgotten over time. But
in the quiet after the storm, what remains is
really not horror, but it's wonder. Because for
all the darkness, the ocean is still part of
the design. The earth is the Lord's and everything
in it that dwells within it is his. That includes
the trenches we've never seen, the creatures
we've never named, and the mysteries we're still.
small to understand. The sea may terrify us but
it also testifies every current. Every unseen
depth is still under that same hand that calmed
the storms on the Galilee. When we look into
the abyss, we're not really peering into chaos.
We're witnessing creation in motion and reflecting
of that divine vastness that shaped both the
heavens above and the waters below. The deep
really is not haunted by ghosts, but it's haunted
by memory. The echo of let there be. A lot of
people have lost their lives in the ocean, to
the ocean, through floods, through recorded history.
And a lot of our history starts after the Noah's
flood. It's terrifying and fascinating and beautiful
all in the same sentence. Yeah, I can't help
it. When I look out my bedroom window and I've
been blessed enough to live on the water, to
think about all these things and all the wonderful
that is in our world. I obviously, I spend a
lot of time on Reddit forums and on social media
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We, at least in my opinion, we like to... entertain
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Rather it be a government coverup or do something
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From my law enforcement background, I've really
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evidence driven to make these determinations.
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Obviously there's people that, you know, disagree
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