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you're probably already thinking. No fluff, no

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filters, no bullshit. Let's crack it open. The

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Grand Canyon. It's more than just a crack in

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the earth. It's a place that almost demands mystery.

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Standing on the rim, you're staring into a chism

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so vast and layered, it feels like another world.

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Caves lying its walls by the hundreds. Dark mouths

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and the public will never see. The Park Service.

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keeps them sealed to protect fragile ecosystems,

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ancient artifacts, and even endangered bats.

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That's the official story. But when you close

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off doorways into the unknown, people start asking,

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what else are they hiding in there? And then

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there are the names. Isis temple. Cheops pyramid.

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Tower of Ra. Not nicknames from the modern conspiracy

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forums, but official place names given more than

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a century ago. by a geologist with a taste for

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the mythology. To the average hiker, they're

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just about labels on a map. To the conspiracy

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minded, they're breadcrumbs. Evidence that something

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ancient and foreign once lived here. Even the

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sky above plays into the myth -making. Airspace

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above the canyon is restricted. And when you

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combine no -fly zones with off -limit caves and

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secretive archeology, you create the perfect

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recipe for the government cover -ups and hidden

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civilizations. That's why the Grand Canyon is

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such a fertile ground for conspiracy. It's not

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just stone. and river. It's a canvas for every

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theory you can imagine. Ancient Egyptians carving

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tombs into the cliffs. Giants buried in sealed

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caves. Underground tunnels that connect to civilizations

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beneath our feet. Some of these claims can be

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debunked in a heartbeat. Others, well, they'll

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make you pause. And that's why we're here today.

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To pull back the layers of rumor and reality.

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To see what's truly hidden in that giant canyon.

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So Jay, what do you make of this conspiracy?

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I really like this conspiracy theory and I'm

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inclined to believe a lot of the proposed evidence,

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a lot of the proposed theories that kind of revolve

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around it. I think it's a fun one, man, and it's

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been getting a lot of attention lately. It links

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back to the Smithsonian's and some of these articles

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back in the early 1900s. So the genesis of this

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one, at least in terms of the Westernized American

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awareness, starts with a fella by the name of

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G .E. Kincaid. Have you heard anything about

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him? Yeah, there's a lot of writings about G

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.E. Kincaid. Yeah. Interesting fella. Maybe you

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know... of his backstory than I do, but essentially

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there's an article published back in April of

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1808 and he was looking for minerals down through

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the Grand Canyon. Put the backdrop in the story,

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Teddy Roosevelt decided to limit access to the

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Grand Canyon in, in hopes of preserving it. So

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essentially what he wanted to do was to prevent

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mining operations and deforesting operations.

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The deforesting operations doesn't make a whole

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lot of sense. There's not a lot of trees out

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there. It's not like there's timber, but essentially

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what he was trying to do is keep people from

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mining gold down in the Grand Canyon. But before

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all that took effect, G Kinkade went down there

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looking for minerals. And I think minerals is.

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term for gold before the restrictions took place.

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So as he's going down through the canyon, down

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one of the rivers, he sees what he thinks is

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like a mineral deposit. It's about 2000 feet

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above the rock face. So he decides to go ahead

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and hike up in there. So when he gets there,

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he sees a cave entrance. And when he walks to

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the cave, he purported to see Egyptian hylogryphics,

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mummies of both regular size humans and giant

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humans. And he said this cavern traveled miles

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and miles and miles. It was so big, it was purported

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that he could actually house 50 ,000. So interesting

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story published in a mainstream newspaper at

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the time. Apparently there's photos, but a lot

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of those were either taken back to the Smithsonian's

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along with a ton of the artifacts and it gets

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to an interesting twist. So when he's down there,

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he's actually exploring this area with the funding

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of the Smithsonian's. So he goes back and reports.

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to them what he found, but they send roughly

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30 to 40 Smithsonian archeologists under the

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lead of SA Jordan. And they report the same thing.

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They found hundreds of chambers all full of not

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only Egyptian artifacts, but also some Eastern

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artifacts. purported to find a statue of Buddha

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along with the mummies and all kinds of gold

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endowed statues and just the typical stuff you

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would see in any sort of Egyptian. Yeah, just

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to level set a little bit back. So G .E. Kincaid's

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story originates around April of 1909. And the

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newspaper that you referenced was the Arizona

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Gazette, which is a small Phoenix newspaper published

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this sensational article. In it, they named Kincaid

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and claim he discovered this massive cavern system

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while traveling down the Colorado River. They

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don't make it like if he was going out there

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to discover it or just perhaps taking an exposition

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down the Grand Canyon and runs into it. But the

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cave he discovers wasn't just any cave. According

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to the story, it held mummies wrapped in cloth,

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statues and copper weapons, mysterious hieroglyphs

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and entire chambers carved into the rock. It

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was described at this subterranean city and an

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ancient world really frozen in time. The article

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even further. Supposedly, the Smithsonian archaeologist

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named Professor S .A. Jordan arrived to lead

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an excavation. The story suggested that the Smithsonian

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had quietly taken control and cataloged the artifacts

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and then sealed off the cave so nobody else could

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get there. After that, silence. No reports, no

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artifacts ever displayed, no coordinates to prove

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the site existed. This is where, in my opinion,

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the conspiracy really takes root. If the Smithsonian

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didn't find ancient Egyptian or Asian presence

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in North America, why the hell would they hide

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it? It's not because such a discovery would rewrite

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history, challenging the mainstream archaeology

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and upsetting the powerful institutions. To this

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day, the internet forums and YouTube documentaries

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keep the legend alive. Pointing to the canyon,

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the Egyptian -sounding landmarks, Isis Temple,

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Chaops Pyramid, Tower of Ra, as proof that something

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was going on there. For me, when I dig into the

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facts, the cracks do appear a little bit. The

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Smithsonian has publicly stated that there's

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no record of G .E. Kincaid. And let's be frank,

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if they're trying to hide something, they would

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probably hide his name. They also said there's

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no Professor Jordan and no expedition into the

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canyon that occurred in 1909. Researchers like

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Don Lago, respected Grand Canyon historian, really

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have combed through the Smithsonian archives

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and the Arizona Gazette's publication history

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and other period newspapers. What they found

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is that 1909 piece fits neatly into a broader

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pattern of the earliest 20th century law civilizations.

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Newspaper stories that were going around during

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that time. Articles meant more to sell papers

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rather than report. facts. These hoaxes were

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common at the time, playing into the American

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appetite for adventure tales and exotic discoveries

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and these kind of archaeological mysteries. The

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story refuses to die, and I understand why. Because

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if they discovered something really important

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there, as G .E. Kincaid reportedly did, even

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though the Smithsonian is trying to cover it

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up, what's the purpose behind it? Perhaps they're

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trying to say that the official narrative that

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our education system likes to feed us, that evolution

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is the mainstream. perhaps they discovered something

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more important. Perhaps they discovered something

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that speaks to the Christian narrative of creation

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and Noah's flood. And that's what I go back to.

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What are they trying to hide? Because there's

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a lot of miraculous discoveries that were discovered

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during Kincaid's time there, along with others

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that we see along the route. So it's a really

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fascinating story, but for me to find this person

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actually existed, it was pretty hard to find

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that fact. Yeah. I mean, I think the further

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you go back in time, especially in the early...

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1900s. All those records are written. And it

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doesn't take a whole lot of effort to find the

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written record and pull it from your file cabinet.

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It's so much easier to make somebody disappear

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and to remove an expedition from your files than

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it would be today. Everyone today has phones,

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there's internet, information flies back and

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forth in milliseconds. Back then, I'm sure there

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are plenty of people that have some fantastic

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stories that we'll never know about because it's

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their hand journals that either waste away the

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time, got burned up in the fire. You know, the

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story of the library of the Alexandria. the halls

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and halls of records from antiquity that was

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burnt by the Romans. There's a ton of information

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there that was transcribed on to scrolls or into

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parchment. And it's not a whole lot different

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than it would be back in 1909. It's easy to make

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those records disappear. I'm also under the impression

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and under the belief that the Smithsonian Institute

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hides a lot of. archaeological facts from us

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that don't meet the mainstream educational narrative.

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So for me, it's not a far -fetched claim to remove

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these records and to claim the expedition never

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existed. And the people telling us this, all

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they're doing is referencing what they can find

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and they're just drawing the conclusion. It's

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not that they're trying to deceive us. They're

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just saying there's no records exist and we can't

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find any evidence of the such. Just like if you

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were a cop and you're looking into a case that

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happened back in 1945 and somebody came to you

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and said, Hey, I. know this person was murdered,

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but if you go into the files, someone took the

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file out, you're not going to know any difference.

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That never happened, or at least we don't have

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any record of it happening. Yeah, it's a good

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point. A lot of time has passed since this expedition

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has occurred and people hide facts. Have you

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heard about the giant skeletons that were discovered

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in this region? Yeah, I didn't run across some

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of that. A lot of giant mummified skeletons that

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were pulled out of the caves and the claim there

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too is that they were hauled off to the Smithsonian's.

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And again, we go back to this claim that there's

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huge underground vaults underneath it that house

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a plethora of archaeological evidence that don't

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fit the main. stream, I often think about Indiana

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Jones. He's in these underground bunkers, just

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full of this archeological archive that nobody

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knows exists. And that sometimes I think, and

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we've talked about it before, that media reflects

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some of the secrets in society in general. Yeah.

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And one of the kinds I think about, and we'll

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circle back to this a little bit later, when

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we talk about the giant skeletons is I think

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about the nephophilia, but we'll circle back

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to the religious topic a little bit later, but

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to give some background and what this is going

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to serve as the greater Smithsonian narrative,

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because everything you look at, they want to

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debunk immediately. So I'm not saying I believe

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this, but this is the information that I've found.

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And it's in regards to one of the legends of

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the Grand Canyon that just refused to die. And

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really to American archeology in general is the

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claim that these giant human skeletons were once

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unearthed here and then quietly destroyed by

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the Smithsonian. It sounds like something, as

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you stated, out of Indiana Jones. Explorers hauling

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these enormous bones. out of cavernous tombs

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only for them to vanish in government vaults

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and never really being seen again. The version

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most people see online today actually traces

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back to an article published in 2014. It claimed

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that the Smithsonian admitted to destroying tens

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of thousands of giant skeletons in the early

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1900s, right around Kincaid when he discovered

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it in 1908. They say that the story was fiction,

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but obviously when you're talking about giant

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skeletons, it spreads like wildfire across all

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your social media platforms, Facebook, YouTube,

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and obviously your conspiracy forums. Kind of

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stripped of that satire, which is the narrative.

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that the Smithsonian wants to tell people. But

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obviously a lot of people want it to be true.

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But honestly, the Giants' ideal didn't start

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in 2014. It was much older than that, stretching

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back to the 19th century. Newspapers of that

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era routinely published these tales of giant

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skeletons discovered in Native American burial

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mounds, often with no verification whatsoever.

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Some of these reports may have been deliberate

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hoaxes, otherwise likely come from the farmers

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or amateur diggers misidentifying the bones of

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Macedonians. or what they call the Macedonians

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or the ice age, megafauna as human remains. And

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then kind of radicalized as mound builder myths

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of that time. And you know, that false ideal

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that an ancient lost race built North America's

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great earthworks instead of the indigenous people.

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And you had these fertile soil of the giant narrative

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kind of grow. And now the Smithsonian role was

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to serve the greater narrative. All of this stuff

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is fake. Don't listen to any of it. Of course

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we have records dating back to 1600 or. whatever,

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and they're hiding it. But it seems a little

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bit weird that we see this repetitive news article

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coming out where they're hauling these giant

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skeletons out of the Grand Canyon. I think what

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we do know is that the Grand Canyon is very old.

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And that's your definition of how old the earth

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is, whatever you want to put that to, but it's

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obviously been there a really long time and it's

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served like our history of the world that's always

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been there. So I don't buy the history they're

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trying to sell us here. It seems a little bit

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unusual to me that many people are documenting

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it. pops up during Kincaid's discovery of 1908,

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and then it later pops back up here in the 20th

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century. Yeah, that kind of reminds me of some

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ancient Native American legends, myths, stories

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about them actually fighting giants. Other stories,

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especially when you, the further west you go,

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the more... detailed and numerous they become,

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but the natives had stories about giants running

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across the plains and they were so big, they

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could run faster than Buffalo grabbing them up

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with one hand and run off with them. That's a

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big freaking giant, big and strong. They're running

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faster than the herds. They're able to pick one

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up in each hand and those weigh what 1200 pounds

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and scary stuff. And there's plenty of stories,

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especially going back into the late 1800s, late

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1900s by farmers saying that they've, they found

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giant bones on their property. inform the local

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government, which in turn informs the federal

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government, which ultimately traces back to the

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Smithsonian. And they come out, they excavate

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the bones, and then they're never heard from

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again. Do I think that they destroyed these giant

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bones? I don't. I think that if they exist, which

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I'm inclined to believe that they do, they're

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a warehouse somewhere underground. I don't think

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everything is housed underneath the Smithsonian's.

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I've been there before, you've been there before.

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That complex would have to be ginormous. But

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I think there are places around the U .S. where

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they house some of this archaeological stuff

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that's out of sight, out of mind. There's also

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stories of the conquistadors landing on certain

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islands being met by the indigenous that are

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seven, eight, nine feet tall. And typically most

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of the time they were pretty passive, but it

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was intimidating enough for them to get back

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on their boats and get the heck out of town.

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It kind of reminds me, and this is post -flood

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and we talk about numbers 11 and don't quote

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me word for word on this. It ultimately ended

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up being the Israelis as they were invading the

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territory. They were very scared. And what they

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said was that men were giants and we were like

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crickets to them. They were so big that we look

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like crickets to them and they look like to us.

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So it tells you that nephephyllium survived post

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-flood and they were within our world. And these

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bones might actually back it up. And I think

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a lot of the world is trying to cover up the

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narrative of God and hide that away. So I could

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see that they don't want us to learn about that.

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Now it talked about some of the myths that they

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do want us to know about. So I actually got this

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off of one of the sites associated with the Smithsonian

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Institute. And here are a couple of legends that

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they actually want to tell us about, which they

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say may or probably not be true, but I thought

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they were of material kind of interesting value

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anyways. So one of their first myth is Paul Bunyan's

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axe created the canyon. You remember Paul Bunyan,

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the giant axe. builder. Now we're talking about

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giants there. The legendary lumberjack, obviously

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featured in tales, had a hand in the Grand Canyon's

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creation, one of the more kind of imaginative

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myths about the landmark. According to folklore,

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Bunyan was dragging his massive axe behind him,

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and it gouged out a deep furrow in the earth,

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eventually becoming the Grand Canyon. While this

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story adds a touch of kind of whimsy to the canyon's

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history, its formation was actually due to a

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lot of different things. The next one was the

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giant eagle that saved people from the canyon

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flood. So this is another obviously captivating

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myth surrounding the Grand Canyon. Comes from

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the, and I might butcher this name, but the Holapi

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tribe, which involves a particularly heroic bird

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and a very large eagle. It was responsible for

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forming the canyon when melting ice and comet

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caused a large flood. The eagle flew down and

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courageously rescued the Holapi tribe before

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the comet hit the earth, carrying them away and

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moving them to safety. Next, they said Bigfoot

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may roam the Grand Canyon. The myths surrounding

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everyone's favorite Sasquatch, Bigfoot, obviously

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has fascinated people for many decades. This

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creature also plays a part in the many myths

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surrounding the Grand Canyon. Ports of Bigfoot

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sightings have captured the imagination of visitors

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and enthusiasts, as eyewitnesses have claimed

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to see the elusive creature roaming in the canyon.

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The next one was two gods built the canyon. Another

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myth about the formation of the Grand Canyon

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comes from the Havu Sapi tribe. It tells the

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story of rival gods, Uchapa and Hakatama, who

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battle to determine the ruler of the earth. During

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the battle, Hakatama flooded the entire world,

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oh, sounds familiar, leading to the formation

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of the canyon. Although the flood would have

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seemingly doomed life on Earth, the Tuchapa put

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his daughter in a safe place so that she could

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ensure life would continue after the skirmish.

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Today, life on Earth thrives and many visitors

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to the canyons each year take a picture of this

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site. The next one is the Egyptians live in the

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Grand Canyon. Connection to another culture and

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the most enduring myth. Some people believe that

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there was Egyptian city. The legend traces back

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to obviously the newspaper article we were talking

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about with GE Kincaid. And the next one they

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said is, and it's weird how they rounded out

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with this one, but people have bad luck with

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Canyon objects. Then they said, the belief that

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removing natural objects from the Canyon or stealing

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cultural relics resulted in bad luck. And this

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legend asserts that anyone who wrongfully decides

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to take rocks, fossils, plants, or other objects

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from the Canyon will face misfortune. because

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of their actions. They went so far as to say

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that people have stolen objects from the canyon,

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whether it be rocks or something else that they

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found there. And they ended up mailing it back

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to them because it brought them so much bad luck

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in their life. So when I look at these stories,

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what I see is a lot of secular kind of belief

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systems. We see witchcraft. from the bad objects.

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We don't, we see false gods. We see other ways

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to explain what these giants are. They want to

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talk about everything else, but God and try to

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explain it in a different way. And then they

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sell, they say some of these things are just

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for fun, but I find it interesting as they always

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are steering away from God and steering towards

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the kind of secular world. Yeah. I mean, I, I

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heard a interesting podcast called prophecy watchers.

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I'm a big fan of this guy's name, Steve quail.

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Our listeners are curious. Let's go to Steve

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quail .com. He's big into the. The giant theory

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relates it back to Genesis six fun theological

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fact that maybe some of our listeners don't know,

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but the giants pre flood were referred to as

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Nephilim. The giants post flood were referred

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to as Raphael or gibbering. So it's interesting

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how they. have different monikers pre and post

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-flood. I often wonder, we understand how the

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giants were formed pre -flood with fallen angels

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coming down to earth mating with women and the

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offsprings were giants. I often wonder, was there

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another incursion by fallen angels after the

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flood or was somebody carrying some sort of remnants

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of the DNA in their genetic code that kind of

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created the offspring? I shy away from that theory

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because God picked Noah and his family because

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they were perfect in their generations, which

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in my mind kind of points to the fact that they

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were genetically pure. They're atomites. They

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weren't corrupted by angelic DNA. So I often

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wonder how did the giants come back after the

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flood? There are some interesting theories that

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maybe some of them escaped underground because

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there's underground cities. I don't know if I

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believe that because God said he destroyed all

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life on earth, with the exception of humans and

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animals that were on the ark. I think one of

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the most interesting facts that I've come across

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is that 90 % of the Grand Canyon is off limits

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to tourists. They use the excuse. that it's for

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tribal religious preservation, natural preservation.

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There's these sacred sites that don't want people

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trampling over, but 90 % of an area that's ginormous

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and you can't go down. There have been stories

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about people going down and then next thing you

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know, they're in off limit areas and there's

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guys and black tactical gear coming down, tell

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them they got to get out, helicopters flying

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over, watching what they're doing. And there

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are some pretty interesting videos of people

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flying drones or there was one that I saw where

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a guy was they like hang glide. up off the cliffs

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and they paraglide down the canyons. And in certain

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parts of his camera, his GoPro, you can see that's

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very evidently columns and structures carved

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into the canyon that look very Romanesque, very

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Egyptians with the ornate columns. Obviously

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they're worn down because of weathering time,

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but they are there. So I find that super interesting.

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There's also a fellow back in the 1800s named

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John Powell, who took numerous photos of the

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Grand Canyon. This was back when it really wasn't

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off limits. And again, you can see these structures

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carved. into the rock face that are very ornate,

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weathered, but ornate. And they look very similar

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to Egyptian type architecture back from that

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period. It's mind blowing to see. Have you heard,

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and we're talking about this Mismonia narrative

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still, but have you heard how these places ironically

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got their Egyptian names? I haven't, but I find

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it a bit bizarre that they're all named after

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Egyptian gods or Egyptian type areas like Mount

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Isis and what have you. Yeah, it's super bizarre.

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And again, we're going to continue. down in the

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Smithsonian narrative until we debunk it. But

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when you look at a map of the Grand Canyon, you'll

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see the names, Isis Temple, Cheops pyramid, Tower

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of Ra, and Osiris Temple. To me, to anyone primed

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for conspiracies, these sound like smoking gun

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evidence of the ancient Egyptian presence in

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Arizona. After all, why else would they name

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these things this? Why would they name them after

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like gods and pharaohs? It just doesn't make

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any sense to me. What the Smithsonian says is

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is the truth is far more down to earth. And they

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said, honestly, just as fascinating. According

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to them, these names came from Clarence Dutton,

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a US geological survey geologist in the late

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19th century. Dutton wasn't just a scientist,

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he was also a romantic. He wrote about the Grand

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Canyon in the almost poetic terms, describing

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the cliffs and buffs as natural cathedrals and

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monuments. To match the grandeur he saw, he pulled

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from the myths of the world, Egyptian, Hindu.

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even the Arthurian legend. In his landmark 1882

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monograph, The Tartaria History of the Grand

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Canyon District, Deuton Christian formations,

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not with dry geological jarmon, both the names

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carried with cultural weight and mystery. Now,

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to me, that sounds very convenient. Like we're

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seeing in 1908, where we discover an Egyptian

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cave and all of a sudden we have very Egyptian

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names that are coming into play. He called one

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buff the Isis temple, not because of Egyptians

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carved it, because of its massive serene profile

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reminded him of the goddess of power and mystery.

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Jayof's pyramid got his name simply because the

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buff's flat top, steep structure looked vaguely

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like the Great Pyramid of Giza. Dutton's naming

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scheme wasn't meant to rewrite history. It was

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meant to inspire awe. But obviously, here's why

00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.579
the myth caught fire. The names have power. When

00:24:16.579 --> 00:24:19.599
a visitor or an armchair researcher sees the

00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:23.019
Tower of Ra on a U .S. map, it feels more than

00:24:23.019 --> 00:24:25.119
coincidence. And to me, it does too. I think

00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:27.380
you combine those names with the tales of Kincaid's

00:24:27.380 --> 00:24:30.450
lost Egyptian caves. And suddenly the canyon

00:24:30.450 --> 00:24:33.589
transforms into a puzzle box waiting to be solved.

00:24:34.190 --> 00:24:36.150
And again, we're building on this narrative that

00:24:36.150 --> 00:24:39.549
they want to sell us, but it seems awfully convenient.

00:24:39.890 --> 00:24:42.569
Yeah. I ran across an interesting theory, a couple

00:24:42.569 --> 00:24:45.490
of them. So there was a theory that back when

00:24:45.490 --> 00:24:48.869
Mark Anthony and Cleopatra were about to be sacked

00:24:48.869 --> 00:24:51.740
by the Romans that they sent. their son out to

00:24:51.740 --> 00:24:55.799
the West with 50 ,000 scientists, soldiers, ships

00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:57.720
to send him away. So the Romans couldn't get

00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.039
him. So I thought that was an interesting kind

00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:02.240
of thread back through ancient history where

00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.799
there's a claim that this, their son was sent

00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:07.319
and they say out West people draw the conclusion

00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:09.740
that what that meant was to the Americas. Cause

00:25:09.740 --> 00:25:12.140
there is evidence that the Egyptians were seafaring

00:25:12.140 --> 00:25:15.299
beat and were actually able to, it's a bit circumstantial,

00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:18.559
but the claim is that they were able to circumnavigate

00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:20.440
the globe with their boats. putting some puzzle

00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:23.079
pieces together with this legend. It's possible

00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:25.619
that a few thousand years ago that there was

00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:28.660
a pretty big cohort of Egyptians that somehow

00:25:28.660 --> 00:25:30.920
made it to America. I feel like it'd be really

00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.220
difficult to get all, to cross thousands of miles

00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:36.059
in North America to get to the Grand Canyon,

00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:38.180
but it's an interesting little tidbit. And the

00:25:38.180 --> 00:25:40.640
other claim is you've heard of the lost city

00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:42.880
of El Dorado, like the golden city. There are

00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.519
some claims that one of the reasons you can't

00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.900
access a big portion of the Grand Canyon, because

00:25:47.900 --> 00:25:50.680
in fact the lost city of El Dorado is actually

00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:52.420
in the Grand Canyon and the government doesn't

00:25:52.420 --> 00:25:54.099
want anyone going down there, taking the gold,

00:25:54.259 --> 00:25:56.519
pilfering it and selling on the open market.

00:25:56.619 --> 00:25:58.619
By doing so, if somebody was able to get their

00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:00.420
hands on all that gold, it would just completely

00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:02.579
tank the market. Not to mention destroy all the

00:26:02.579 --> 00:26:05.359
artifacts. If in fact it doesn't exist in the

00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:08.119
canyon. Yeah. It's interesting, man. We've seen,

00:26:08.259 --> 00:26:10.519
it says sale really far. We talk about the Vikings,

00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:13.380
how far they sell. Like they went from Denmark

00:26:13.380 --> 00:26:18.099
to Greenland, to potentially Canada, to the Americas.

00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:20.960
with very primitive boats at that time, they

00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:22.640
were able to go wherever where the will took

00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.700
them. I look back at the Egyptian culture and

00:26:25.700 --> 00:26:28.859
during that time heavily influenced by the nephephelium

00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:31.500
who brought this kind of forbidden technology

00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:34.200
down to man and not too far of a stretch of imagination

00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:36.079
to think that they made it all the way over here.

00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.559
I think it's almost a little bit naive to think

00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:41.559
that only the Native Americans were here and

00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:43.920
you know what they came from the caveman and

00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.180
nothing else existed before that. Perhaps they

00:26:46.180 --> 00:26:49.089
existed here and their time ended before the

00:26:49.089 --> 00:26:51.450
white man showed up. Yeah. The Hopi Indians have

00:26:51.450 --> 00:26:53.910
the legend of the ant people or the star people.

00:26:54.089 --> 00:26:56.710
And they claim that they weren't the first here

00:26:56.710 --> 00:26:58.769
or the first in North America. They claim that

00:26:58.769 --> 00:27:00.910
there was another somewhat advanced civilization

00:27:00.910 --> 00:27:03.950
that lived here long before they ever arrived.

00:27:03.990 --> 00:27:06.150
And they talk about that some of these people

00:27:06.150 --> 00:27:08.970
had great civilizations that were not only in

00:27:08.970 --> 00:27:10.950
North America, but South America. And this is

00:27:10.950 --> 00:27:12.769
the interesting part to me, that they learned

00:27:12.769 --> 00:27:15.630
this knowledge from quote unquote star people.

00:27:15.750 --> 00:27:18.500
So this old civilization that existed before

00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:22.039
the Native Americans learned their advanced technology,

00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.579
advanced architecture from star people. And when

00:27:24.579 --> 00:27:27.160
I hear the term star people, I think of fallen

00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.720
angels, because that's who gave humankind a lot

00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.180
of the knowledge that we had after we came out

00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:35.380
of the garden. A lot of people also say there's

00:27:35.380 --> 00:27:38.589
Anunnaki artifacts in the Grand Canyon. And to

00:27:38.589 --> 00:27:41.769
me, Anunnaki, as we all know, is this alien race

00:27:41.769 --> 00:27:44.250
that comes by on Planet X every half a million

00:27:44.250 --> 00:27:46.769
thousand years. They come down, they do what

00:27:46.769 --> 00:27:50.089
they do. But I feel like Anunnaki is the secular

00:27:50.089 --> 00:27:53.609
term, the alien term for fallen angels. 100%.

00:27:53.609 --> 00:27:55.849
And people just don't know how to describe them.

00:27:55.970 --> 00:27:58.750
And as we touched on earlier, they survived post

00:27:58.750 --> 00:28:02.910
-flood. In my opinion, fallen angels slept. with

00:28:02.910 --> 00:28:06.450
women again and produced another off breed. We

00:28:06.450 --> 00:28:10.869
saw that when David killed Goliath, I think Goliath

00:28:10.869 --> 00:28:14.269
was likely a nephephyllium of that time as well.

00:28:14.589 --> 00:28:16.710
So we see the existence of them. Whether they

00:28:16.710 --> 00:28:19.170
still exist today, I'm not certain. Perhaps they

00:28:19.170 --> 00:28:21.289
were extinguished when the heroes of the Bible

00:28:21.289 --> 00:28:23.470
kind of wrote against them and took them out,

00:28:23.470 --> 00:28:26.150
but perhaps they do. And what we know is evil

00:28:26.150 --> 00:28:29.190
still exists today. So the fact that they continue

00:28:29.190 --> 00:28:31.430
to prowl this earth like a lion, much like the

00:28:31.430 --> 00:28:33.299
devil does. today. I don't think it would be

00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:35.859
unheard of to have more nephephyllium around,

00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.799
but you're right. I think the Anakki was just

00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:42.220
a worldly, secular kind of viewpoint for what

00:28:42.220 --> 00:28:45.700
these creatures ultimately wore. Now, when we

00:28:45.700 --> 00:28:48.339
look at the Grand Canyon, it's a marvel. The

00:28:48.339 --> 00:28:51.619
Grand Canyon is riddled with caves, literally

00:28:51.619 --> 00:28:54.319
hundreds, if not thousands of them, tucked into

00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:56.940
the cliffs and hidden into the side of canyons.

00:28:57.180 --> 00:29:00.019
Most visitors, most people on earth, will never

00:29:00.019 --> 00:29:02.720
really glimpse one. And I think that invisibility

00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.720
is exactly what gives birth to some of our things.

00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.420
The canyons and caves aren't just isolation of

00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:12.279
pockets of rock. They're entrances to a vast

00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:15.079
underground network connecting the entire region.

00:29:15.220 --> 00:29:18.039
And some even imagine these tunnels leading to

00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.319
buried cities, ancient vaults, or lost civilizations.

00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:25.180
And in many cases, I've seen where people, they

00:29:25.180 --> 00:29:27.180
discovered tribes and different things that were

00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:29.180
living in the bottom of the canyon. And I think

00:29:29.180 --> 00:29:32.160
that's what's ultimately fascinating is regardless

00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.200
of what the Smithsonian is going to tell us,

00:29:34.299 --> 00:29:36.420
regardless of what our history is going to dictate.

00:29:36.700 --> 00:29:38.200
There's a whole hell of a lot of history down

00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.559
there that's worth discovering. And these are

00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.920
the places that I always say, Jay, that instead

00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.220
of shooting rockets off to moon, we should be

00:29:45.220 --> 00:29:47.299
discovering this stuff, man, because it's super

00:29:47.299 --> 00:29:49.420
fascinating. Actually tell us the details of

00:29:49.420 --> 00:29:51.440
what's going on down there instead of hiding

00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.980
it from us. Yeah. Part of me thinks that they

00:29:53.980 --> 00:29:56.619
don't want us to know because again, we go back

00:29:56.619 --> 00:29:59.630
to this Roth child official education. system

00:29:59.630 --> 00:30:02.109
that the West kind of works under. And we have

00:30:02.109 --> 00:30:05.430
a very regimented way history is taught. It's

00:30:05.430 --> 00:30:07.789
very compartmentalized. Like the Egyptians were

00:30:07.789 --> 00:30:09.450
here and that's where they stay. Like the Europeans

00:30:09.450 --> 00:30:11.349
were there and that's where they stay. And Native

00:30:11.349 --> 00:30:13.789
Americans were here and there wasn't a whole

00:30:13.789 --> 00:30:16.690
lot of traversing the globe and intermixing of

00:30:16.690 --> 00:30:19.390
cultures outside of in certain localized areas,

00:30:19.430 --> 00:30:21.569
like in Asia, Europe. I do think there's evidence

00:30:21.569 --> 00:30:24.130
to suggest that a lot of these more advanced

00:30:24.130 --> 00:30:27.289
civilizations did travel far and wide, did have

00:30:27.289 --> 00:30:29.769
prolonged and protracted. actions with cultures

00:30:29.769 --> 00:30:31.849
that were thousands and thousands of miles away.

00:30:31.950 --> 00:30:34.109
And I kind of want to circle back to even the

00:30:34.109 --> 00:30:37.130
more modern day stories of giants. So I'm sure

00:30:37.130 --> 00:30:39.730
you heard about this, but in Afghanistan, there

00:30:39.730 --> 00:30:43.450
have been several purported stories of soldiers

00:30:43.450 --> 00:30:45.430
coming across giants out in the battlefield.

00:30:45.589 --> 00:30:47.529
It was one that was pretty popular. And if you

00:30:47.529 --> 00:30:49.950
look at Afghanistan, it's super mountainous.

00:30:50.089 --> 00:30:52.670
There's a ton of cave systems, not unlike the

00:30:52.670 --> 00:30:55.269
Grand Canyon area. And there was one story where

00:30:55.269 --> 00:30:57.609
I think it was a ranger team went up on patrol.

00:30:57.799 --> 00:30:59.839
They never were heard from again. So they send

00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:01.839
another, I don't know if it was a Marine squadron

00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:03.759
or another special forces squadron to go track

00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:05.400
them down. And as they get up this mountain,

00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:09.000
they see the body parts of soldier gear and they

00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:10.579
just know they're dead. So as they're approaching

00:31:10.579 --> 00:31:12.920
the cave entrance, these guys said that they

00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:16.079
saw like a 10 to 12 foot giant run out, throw

00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.839
a spear, pail one of their buddies. And then

00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.880
in turn, they opened up fire and decapitated

00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.900
this giant. And when they reported it, a helicopter

00:31:25.900 --> 00:31:28.940
came in. hooked it up to a cargo netting and

00:31:28.940 --> 00:31:31.259
flew it out. And there are a handful of stories,

00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:33.740
even in the modern era where people run across

00:31:33.740 --> 00:31:36.279
these giants, a lot of tribes still in certain

00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.279
parts of South Asian Island area where they claim

00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.220
that giants still exist, but they live very remotely.

00:31:43.579 --> 00:31:46.319
A lot of the theories are that most of these

00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.440
giants live in cave systems and they come out

00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:51.119
to eat. Nine times out of a hundred, these giants

00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.220
are cannibals. They eat humans. They hunt as

00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:56.150
a knight. I do think in the past, They were much

00:31:56.150 --> 00:31:58.829
more numerous. They actually had their own societies.

00:31:59.009 --> 00:32:02.210
I think a big part when you read the Bible, you

00:32:02.210 --> 00:32:04.670
brought up the story of Moses and going into

00:32:04.670 --> 00:32:06.529
the promised land. He sent out the spies to go

00:32:06.529 --> 00:32:08.670
into Cana. And when they came back, I'm just

00:32:08.670 --> 00:32:10.349
reading what you already said. They came back

00:32:10.349 --> 00:32:12.569
and said, these people are huge. We're like grasshoppers

00:32:12.569 --> 00:32:14.549
to them. And that's actually what set them back

00:32:14.549 --> 00:32:16.829
out into the wilderness for 40 years, because

00:32:16.829 --> 00:32:18.650
they doubted what God could do. But eventually

00:32:18.650 --> 00:32:20.730
when they got back to the promised land, Joshua

00:32:20.730 --> 00:32:23.549
took control. And I think a big part of the Israelites

00:32:23.549 --> 00:32:26.309
conquering the. promised land wasn't necessarily

00:32:26.309 --> 00:32:28.750
from other humans. It was from either giants

00:32:28.750 --> 00:32:32.230
or the intermixing of giants and humans. And

00:32:32.230 --> 00:32:35.529
again, these, this culture was not only cannibalistic,

00:32:35.670 --> 00:32:38.750
they're very pagan. They're very evil. They sacrifice

00:32:38.750 --> 00:32:42.029
their children. And that was Jews were God's

00:32:42.029 --> 00:32:45.529
army to eradicate this giant culture from the

00:32:45.529 --> 00:32:47.859
planet. It's interesting because if you look

00:32:47.859 --> 00:32:49.759
at the stories in the nephephelium, they wore

00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:53.220
cannibals and they did eat people, which is interesting

00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:55.799
how it syncs up with that story that you're telling

00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:59.079
us now. I don't know, man. It's funny because

00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.380
when we look at the Smithsonian narrative, they

00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:03.440
want to point to Bigfoot. We know Bigfoot's not

00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.779
a real thing, but they want to point to Bigfoot

00:33:05.779 --> 00:33:08.160
instead of pointing to nephephelium, which is

00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.359
probably the better answer that we're seeing

00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.920
there. Now, obviously that's not where all the

00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:17.160
stories end. Have you heard about the UFO connection

00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.420
to the Grand Canyon? Please tell me. The 1950s

00:33:20.420 --> 00:33:22.799
brought a new kind of story, right? Lights over

00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.599
the canyon, glowing orbs that hovered, darted,

00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.599
and then vanished. In the Cold War moment, when

00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:31.799
Roswell and Area 51 were already fueling the

00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.019
people's imagination, the Grand Canyon became

00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:36.920
another suspected UFO hotspot. One tell even

00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.279
claims a researcher, Dr. Elizabeth Carter, led

00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:42.960
an expedition into a cave where she documented

00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.339
alien -like carvings. and picked up strange energy

00:33:46.339 --> 00:33:48.960
readings. Now, to believers, this was confirmation,

00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.940
not just ancient rituals, but alien contact.

00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.180
And to skeptics, Carter herself may be legendary

00:33:55.180 --> 00:33:58.079
as the carvings more myth than history. Now,

00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.220
according to the legend, Carter's team didn't

00:34:00.220 --> 00:34:02.660
just explore, they experienced. In the cavern,

00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.619
they supposedly discovered text and artifacts

00:34:05.619 --> 00:34:09.099
describing ways to expand the human consciousness,

00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.820
awaken hidden powers, and even been physical

00:34:11.820 --> 00:34:21.429
reality. The cave, they said, Now, was it a suggestion,

00:34:21.690 --> 00:34:24.769
a hallucination, or the canyon itself amplifying

00:34:24.769 --> 00:34:26.909
something dormant in the human mind? Don't know.

00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.659
Whatever the case, the story paints the cave

00:34:30.659 --> 00:34:34.000
that could unlock superhuman potential which

00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.659
became part of the canyon lore. This is where

00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:39.500
the story shifts from the strange to the cosmic.

00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.000
Deeper still, Carter's team claimed to find a

00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.780
machine and a possible device of gears, glowing

00:34:44.780 --> 00:34:48.079
crystals, and humming energy. To her, she said

00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:51.400
its function was to bend time itself. Inside

00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.280
the cavern, time slowed, stretched, and, according

00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.599
to her, looped. The researchers reported glimpses

00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.800
of the past and then visions of the future. Some

00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:03.840
even claimed hours outside past is only minutes

00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:07.019
inside this cave. Now, whether fantasy or allegory,

00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.000
the tale plays kind of into humanity's oldest

00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.639
fascinations of controlling time itself. The

00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.760
explorers, it's said, encountered an energy being,

00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:18.880
a guardian of this canyon, who revealed to them

00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:22.559
humanity's true sing - purpose, not just to survive,

00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:26.079
but to evolve into a consciousness that contributes

00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:28.699
to the cosmos itself. Every thought, every act,

00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.820
it said, ripples outward into the universe. Now,

00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.940
for Carter and her team, this encounter reshaped

00:35:34.940 --> 00:35:36.619
everything they thought they knew about life,

00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.880
destiny, and the Canyon's hidden role and ultimately

00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:42.820
our human story. The legend ends with Carter

00:35:42.820 --> 00:35:45.320
and her team keeping the Caverns' discoveries

00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:48.039
top secret, guarding them until humanity was

00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:51.079
ready to receive them. Whether Now, she or the

00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.800
cavern ever existed is another matter. There's

00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.219
no artifacts that I could find, no scientific

00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:59.320
papers, no independently verified accounts. But

00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.500
this story lives on and it's retold and remixed

00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:04.780
and re -imagined, which I find super interesting

00:36:04.780 --> 00:36:06.579
because we're seeing these lights, we're seeing

00:36:06.579 --> 00:36:09.699
UFOs, going on a time that's fairly hotly contested

00:36:09.699 --> 00:36:12.000
with Area 51 and people seeing these things out

00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.059
there. And then you have this person who again

00:36:14.059 --> 00:36:17.099
is unverified that goes into this and where once

00:36:17.099 --> 00:36:19.190
again, it feels like we're talking about blue

00:36:19.190 --> 00:36:21.750
beam or project invisibility, but we're talking

00:36:21.750 --> 00:36:23.610
about time travel again. The first thing that

00:36:23.610 --> 00:36:25.289
comes to mind when I hear that story. So two

00:36:25.289 --> 00:36:27.929
things come to mind. First one is I do believe

00:36:27.929 --> 00:36:30.269
that pre -flood there was advanced technology

00:36:30.269 --> 00:36:32.590
that is completely different than today, but

00:36:32.590 --> 00:36:35.289
ultimately very similar. It's just, it just looks

00:36:35.289 --> 00:36:37.730
different in how it's presented visually and

00:36:37.730 --> 00:36:39.949
what it's made of. Second one comes into mind

00:36:39.949 --> 00:36:43.090
is whenever I hear of someone saying that our

00:36:43.090 --> 00:36:45.449
purpose is to evolve into the cosmos. Again,

00:36:45.570 --> 00:36:48.150
now we're not pointing to God and his purpose.

00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.559
was for us but we're pointing to some sort of

00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:54.769
cosmic elite or cosmic cabal. that says it's

00:36:54.769 --> 00:36:57.110
time for us to evolve and ascend and join this

00:36:57.110 --> 00:36:59.750
galactic federation. So that always raises a

00:36:59.750 --> 00:37:01.969
red flag to me. And that just feels like a satanic

00:37:01.969 --> 00:37:04.710
deception where it just drives me nuts, man.

00:37:04.909 --> 00:37:06.949
It's whenever you hear someone say, and I talked

00:37:06.949 --> 00:37:09.250
to an angel, an angel told me this is the true

00:37:09.250 --> 00:37:11.250
interpretation of the Bible or I'm adding to

00:37:11.250 --> 00:37:13.869
the message. My radar starts to ping and head

00:37:13.869 --> 00:37:16.230
starts to catch on fire. But if there was a,

00:37:16.269 --> 00:37:18.710
and there's been plenty of stories about them

00:37:18.710 --> 00:37:21.769
finding some ancient technology in these caves,

00:37:21.989 --> 00:37:24.190
just like in Antarctica. People say that there's

00:37:24.190 --> 00:37:26.349
ancient technology that was found. We can't imagine

00:37:26.349 --> 00:37:28.630
ancient technology that's found. I just think

00:37:28.630 --> 00:37:31.269
if it was found, if it is there, it is stuff

00:37:31.269 --> 00:37:34.369
that happened before God flooded the world. And

00:37:34.369 --> 00:37:37.469
now we're, as we advance and as we grow more

00:37:37.469 --> 00:37:40.469
numerous in population and as we're able to traverse

00:37:40.469 --> 00:37:42.829
and explore the planets, we have a higher likelihood

00:37:42.829 --> 00:37:45.210
of finding this stuff. And it all seems it's

00:37:45.210 --> 00:37:46.909
interconnected. If you start drawing lines on

00:37:46.909 --> 00:37:49.829
the chalkboard or putting string on a cork board,

00:37:50.030 --> 00:37:52.230
everything kind of points back to this pre...

00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.840
flood of world that existed and the technology

00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.820
that we're starting to stumble across. We're

00:37:56.820 --> 00:38:00.199
conflating that with aliens and not giving its

00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.639
due respect as to what it actually was. Yeah.

00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.880
It speaks a lot to me to deception. Deception

00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:09.019
can be on a grand scale where you're talking

00:38:09.019 --> 00:38:12.739
about like cosmic and all this kind of weird

00:38:12.739 --> 00:38:14.719
witchcraft stuff, or it can be on a very small

00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.340
scale. Did you hear about the preacher in Africa

00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:19.519
that tried to convince the world that Jesus was

00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.980
coming back on September? And thousands of people

00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:24.780
gathered in this forest because they thought

00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:26.679
Christ was coming back and that they were going

00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.280
to be raptured only to find out the guy was full

00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:30.960
of it. And when you talk about these preachers,

00:38:30.980 --> 00:38:33.179
obviously he's a false prophet. He probably believes

00:38:33.179 --> 00:38:34.760
in God, at least hopefully he believes in God

00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.300
and Jesus. If you read the Bible, Jesus himself

00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:39.800
said, nobody knows the day, time or hour. I think

00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:41.480
he even said, I don't know the day, time or hour.

00:38:41.619 --> 00:38:43.079
So clearly this preacher's not going to know

00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.000
it. Only the father knows. So clearly if you're

00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:47.820
reading your Bible, this guy's a false prophet,

00:38:47.860 --> 00:38:49.920
but it's such a small scale deception because

00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.159
he's preaching. He's talking about Jesus and

00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.159
God, but he just, he twisted a little bit. And

00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:55.960
I don't know if he was making money off of it

00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:58.159
or what his case was for it. He said he actually

00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.139
had a conversation with God and God told him,

00:39:00.260 --> 00:39:02.860
but God would not rewrite his perfect word in

00:39:02.860 --> 00:39:05.400
the Bible. And God doesn't lie. Exactly. God's

00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:06.519
not going to tell you something that's wrong.

00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.400
Exactly. So when we talk about these things,

00:39:09.619 --> 00:39:12.679
to me, it's about deception. And then obviously

00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:14.679
the devil's roaming the world like a prowling

00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.519
lion and deception is his game. Lying is his

00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:19.780
game and influence is his game. But sometimes.

00:39:19.659 --> 00:39:22.219
we see political figures that want to deceive

00:39:22.219 --> 00:39:25.320
you for their own ends and purposes. And now

00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:27.179
there are a couple of things at the Grand Canyon

00:39:27.179 --> 00:39:29.380
where the government would want to lead you away

00:39:29.380 --> 00:39:31.860
from. So I think it's a good point to talk about

00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:34.760
uranium mining. Uranium might sound just like

00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.380
another dry mining term, but around the Grand

00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:39.440
Canyon, it became one of the most potent lightning

00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.900
rods of controversy. The uranium conspiracy isn't

00:39:42.900 --> 00:39:45.519
total fantasy. There's a legitimate mining history

00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.260
there. Real political friction and genuine concerns

00:39:48.260 --> 00:39:50.480
about ground... water and sacred sites. Here's

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.980
what I found out. The Grand Canyon has had a

00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:54.800
mine within its own borders, which was called

00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.440
the Orphan Mine, located on the south rim between

00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.920
the Maricopa Point and the Hermit Road. The claim

00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.679
was originally patented in 1906 by a guy named

00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.880
Daniel Hogan. In the early to mid 20th century,

00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.639
miners worked the site selectively for copper

00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.019
and other materials. By 1951, geologists discovered

00:40:14.019 --> 00:40:16.659
significant uranium deposits in the same zone.

00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:20.489
By 1956, uranium production began in earnest

00:40:20.489 --> 00:40:23.150
in the orphan point. Over the years of active

00:40:23.150 --> 00:40:26.650
operation until about 1969, estimates suggest

00:40:26.650 --> 00:40:29.250
the mine produced on the order of about half

00:40:29.250 --> 00:40:32.530
a million tons of ore, yielding about four and

00:40:32.530 --> 00:40:35.030
a half million pounds of uranium oxide. Even

00:40:35.030 --> 00:40:37.469
though the mine's head frame is gone now, many

00:40:37.469 --> 00:40:40.130
structures have been removed. Detamination remains

00:40:40.130 --> 00:40:43.210
in the soils and below the surface. And NPS has

00:40:43.210 --> 00:40:45.769
done remedial cleanup and cited investigations.

00:40:45.789 --> 00:40:48.590
I think the last one was in 2016. 2016 to understand

00:40:48.590 --> 00:40:51.090
the residual radiation and metals in the soil.

00:40:51.210 --> 00:40:54.010
That's a big thing. And as part of the whole

00:40:54.010 --> 00:40:56.510
atom bomb, so I could see why the government

00:40:56.510 --> 00:40:59.530
would want to steer people away from this site

00:40:59.530 --> 00:41:01.289
because there's a whole lot of materials that

00:41:01.289 --> 00:41:03.969
people really shouldn't be getting their hands

00:41:03.969 --> 00:41:06.909
on. And then we talk about the Roosevelt connection

00:41:06.909 --> 00:41:09.170
to the cannon. Teddy Roosevelt visited the Grand

00:41:09.170 --> 00:41:12.130
Canyon in 1903, right before it became a national

00:41:12.130 --> 00:41:14.929
park. At that time, mining, ranching, logging

00:41:14.929 --> 00:41:17.519
interests were really carved in to the canyon's

00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.940
resources, and there was little regulation to

00:41:19.940 --> 00:41:22.179
really stop those people. Roosevelt, already

00:41:22.179 --> 00:41:25.760
known as a passionate naturalist and conservatist,

00:41:25.820 --> 00:41:28.239
was struck by the canyon's scale and majesty.

00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:30.420
He just loved this place. He called it one of

00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:33.340
the greatest sites every American should see

00:41:33.340 --> 00:41:36.179
before they die. During that trip, he gave a

00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:38.760
famous speech at the South Rim, where he urged

00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:41.539
Americans to preserve the canyon in its natural

00:41:41.539 --> 00:41:43.920
state. His words were pretty powerful. Leave

00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.480
it as it is, you cannot approve upon. it. They

00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.960
just have been at work on it and men can only

00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.250
mess it up. That sentiment became one of the

00:41:51.250 --> 00:41:53.909
most quoted lines in American history. At that

00:41:53.909 --> 00:41:57.130
time of Roosevelt's visit, the Grand Canyon was

00:41:57.130 --> 00:41:59.429
not yet a national park. The movement to protect

00:41:59.429 --> 00:42:02.110
it was very controversial and powerful business

00:42:02.110 --> 00:42:05.429
interests wanted access to the minerals and timber

00:42:05.429 --> 00:42:08.090
that were there. But ultimately, Roosevelt got

00:42:08.090 --> 00:42:11.449
his way and in 1906, he signed the Antiquities

00:42:11.449 --> 00:42:14.349
Act, which gave presidents the authority to designate

00:42:14.349 --> 00:42:17.730
national monuments. And by 1908, using the power

00:42:17.730 --> 00:42:20.059
of his presidency, Roosevelt proclaimed the Grand

00:42:20.059 --> 00:42:22.880
Canyon a national monument and pretty much protected

00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.159
the entire thing. And I think this was the kind

00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.360
of the turning point where although yet wasn't

00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.579
a national park, Roosevelt's action effectively

00:42:29.579 --> 00:42:32.300
put the canyon off limits to all commercial business.

00:42:32.380 --> 00:42:34.559
So we see it right around this time when discoveries

00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.099
are happened that everybody's vying in for control.

00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:38.760
Everybody wants to mine it. They want to find

00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:40.659
these valuable resources. Some of them are very

00:42:40.659 --> 00:42:43.300
dangerous. And the president who is a naturalist

00:42:43.300 --> 00:42:45.360
doesn't want anybody there. He wants to preserve

00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.300
it, which I find a little bit interesting. Now,

00:42:47.300 --> 00:42:49.070
why did he want to preserve? I don't know if

00:42:49.070 --> 00:42:51.610
he was a man of pure beauty. Mike had never really

00:42:51.610 --> 00:42:53.789
trusted presidents that we have set in an office.

00:42:54.070 --> 00:42:56.969
Maybe perhaps he had alternative motives, but

00:42:56.969 --> 00:42:59.610
there was a lot of power struggles going on during

00:42:59.610 --> 00:43:02.840
this time of Kincaid's exploration. during the

00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:04.940
presidency, during the businesses, during the

00:43:04.940 --> 00:43:07.360
mining operations, that kind of throw history

00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.000
into a scatter during those moments. It definitely

00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.539
is interesting. I tend to lean to the side of

00:43:13.539 --> 00:43:15.679
that there's definitely something down there.

00:43:15.780 --> 00:43:18.579
There's plenty of national parks that are enormous.

00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:20.219
You're allowed to walk through them all you want.

00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:22.380
There's really no restrictions to where you can

00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:24.179
and can't go. You might have park rangers that

00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:26.280
give you crap and say you can't go there, but

00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.280
there's not a lot of park rangers in some of

00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.440
these areas. They're so vast. For there to be

00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:32.530
so many stories about people going off the beaten

00:43:32.530 --> 00:43:34.690
path and then being confronted by somebody to

00:43:34.690 --> 00:43:36.389
say you have to turn back or that they're being

00:43:36.389 --> 00:43:38.389
observed from overhead. It's just weird that

00:43:38.389 --> 00:43:41.230
you would block off 90 % of a park. There's so

00:43:41.230 --> 00:43:43.130
many people out there that are just adventurous

00:43:43.130 --> 00:43:45.789
and they're outdoorsmen and they just like to

00:43:45.789 --> 00:43:47.769
explore and just to be restricted like that.

00:43:47.769 --> 00:43:50.090
And I get it. It's a canyon that's 6 ,000 feet

00:43:50.090 --> 00:43:52.349
deep at some points and it's super dangerous

00:43:52.349 --> 00:43:54.690
and prone to flash flooding, but when has it

00:43:54.690 --> 00:43:57.210
ever stopped anyone? And why is it so restricted?

00:43:57.329 --> 00:43:58.809
It's not like it's a military base. Where is

00:43:58.809 --> 00:44:00.349
it? I don't know. Maybe there's an underground

00:44:00.349 --> 00:44:04.159
military base. But to me, it's something there

00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:06.699
that doesn't line up with the mainstream history

00:44:06.699 --> 00:44:09.139
narrative. And I'm inclined to believe, and I

00:44:09.139 --> 00:44:11.400
do believe that there are definitely giants at

00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.539
some point in our history. I think they were

00:44:13.539 --> 00:44:15.539
pretty numerous. It's also interesting that a

00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:18.679
lot of the Native Americans share a lot of tight

00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.099
tenets, like allegory with the Egyptian culture.

00:44:22.179 --> 00:44:24.360
And you can see the pyramids in Egypt and you

00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:25.860
can see that they're a little bit different,

00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.360
but they're pyramids in the United States, maybe

00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.480
not in the same form that they are. are in Egypt,

00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:32.579
but you see them in South America or like their

00:44:32.579 --> 00:44:35.099
step pyramids. It just points back to me that

00:44:35.099 --> 00:44:38.119
there was once a worldwide civilization that

00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:41.559
had very similar architecture styles. They varied

00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:43.460
because I think again, pre -flood, there were

00:44:43.460 --> 00:44:46.099
a lot of people, a lot of giants, a lot of plays

00:44:46.099 --> 00:44:49.199
on how architecture should manifest. Just a lot

00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.320
of cultures in general, even though I think everybody

00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.480
shared the same language. I think it's fascinating

00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:55.659
how everything interweaves together. But then

00:44:55.659 --> 00:44:58.500
the modern historical narrative is that somehow

00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:01.619
this all came up individually by itself. Each

00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:03.980
culture did these things without influence from

00:45:03.980 --> 00:45:05.719
any other culture. And it's just interesting

00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.320
that even these native American tribes have these

00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:11.119
stories about the star people, the ant people,

00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.300
like the Hopi have a myth about a great cataclysm

00:45:14.300 --> 00:45:16.980
and these quote unquote ant people ushered them

00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:19.760
underground to escape this cataclysm. And a lot

00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.159
of them have these serpent rituals. A lot of

00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.139
them have the same symbolism with the snake eating

00:45:24.139 --> 00:45:26.500
its own tail. What are the odds, man? Like you're

00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:29.349
separated by a massive ocean. thousands and thousands

00:45:29.349 --> 00:45:32.369
of miles of land. And you have the same motif

00:45:32.369 --> 00:45:34.829
being shared amongst just about every culture.

00:45:34.929 --> 00:45:36.809
You can even look at the Asian culture and draw

00:45:36.809 --> 00:45:40.469
inferences to the dragon, the snake, the phoenix.

00:45:40.530 --> 00:45:43.170
It's just wild, man. And I don't think it's not

00:45:43.170 --> 00:45:47.190
a big logical jump to suggest that at one point

00:45:47.190 --> 00:45:50.909
we all shared the same basic culture, same basic

00:45:50.909 --> 00:45:53.570
language, the same basic technology, but it just

00:45:53.570 --> 00:45:55.409
manifests in different ways. Just like if you

00:45:55.409 --> 00:45:57.650
go to Asia, like the architecture is different.

00:45:57.550 --> 00:46:00.210
than it is here in the Western world, but it's

00:46:00.210 --> 00:46:02.829
still similar. Just the artistic presentation

00:46:02.829 --> 00:46:05.610
of it is different. I think a lot about the time

00:46:05.610 --> 00:46:08.750
when we were kids visiting Mexico and we went

00:46:08.750 --> 00:46:12.250
to the Mayan pyramid and me and mom hiked up

00:46:12.250 --> 00:46:14.829
to the top of Chichinichu, if I'm saying that

00:46:14.829 --> 00:46:16.610
name correctly. I think mom would probably tell

00:46:16.610 --> 00:46:18.389
the story way better than I can because I think

00:46:18.389 --> 00:46:20.110
she was like kicking your ankle because you'd

00:46:20.110 --> 00:46:21.849
hurt your, you sprained your ankle or something

00:46:21.849 --> 00:46:24.289
the night before. You couldn't hike up to the

00:46:24.289 --> 00:46:26.849
top of it. Lucky for me, I didn't because...

00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:28.719
I don't think you can actually climb that pyramid

00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:30.940
anymore, but it makes me think about it because

00:46:30.940 --> 00:46:34.380
the Mayans existed just south of Arizona where

00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:36.159
the Grand Canyon is located. One of the most

00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:39.659
powerful kind of native tribes within that region.

00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.239
And it just collapsed immediately. We knew that

00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.920
it spread across South America, across Mexico,

00:46:45.139 --> 00:46:47.420
likely into some parts of North America as well.

00:46:47.699 --> 00:46:50.820
And nobody knows why this civilization of millions

00:46:50.820 --> 00:46:53.340
upon millions of people just completely disappeared,

00:46:53.500 --> 00:46:56.199
but they knew there was some type of weird upheaval.

00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:58.860
that occurred as well. But just bring it back

00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:01.119
to one of your points is I can almost understand

00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:02.599
where the government's, we don't want you to

00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:04.019
go hiking down there. Cause we don't have to

00:47:04.019 --> 00:47:06.500
come rescue you like climbing down, why it's

00:47:06.500 --> 00:47:08.739
off limits. I get some of that because rescue

00:47:08.739 --> 00:47:11.159
operations are expensive. And if you get lost,

00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:12.599
people are going to feel obligated to get you.

00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:14.760
So I get that little kind of micro thing of it,

00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:17.400
but why can't people fly over the grand Canyon?

00:47:17.539 --> 00:47:19.980
I find that one of the most fascinating things.

00:47:20.099 --> 00:47:22.340
So I did a little bit of research of this and

00:47:22.340 --> 00:47:26.179
the Canyon is covered by a patchwork. of special

00:47:26.179 --> 00:47:29.260
flight roles, areas and zones where planes and

00:47:29.260 --> 00:47:32.119
helicopters have to follow strict routes, altitudes

00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.440
and timings. But the reasons for these roles

00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.280
are neither what they say exotic or unique. They

00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.360
just come down to two things, safety and sound,

00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.139
which sounds ridiculous to me. They're saying

00:47:41.139 --> 00:47:43.360
airplanes are going to cause too much noise over

00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.679
the Grand Canyon and safety. They point back

00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.659
to a story in 1956. At that time, obviously the

00:47:49.659 --> 00:47:51.800
air traffic control was primitive compared to

00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.849
what we have today. Two commercial planes. The

00:47:54.849 --> 00:47:58.409
TWA Super Constellation and a United DC -7 were

00:47:58.409 --> 00:48:00.809
both flying cross -country when they collided

00:48:00.809 --> 00:48:04.349
directly over the Grand Canyon. All 120 people

00:48:04.349 --> 00:48:06.969
on board were tragically killed. It was at this

00:48:06.969 --> 00:48:09.989
time the deadliest airline disaster in U .S.

00:48:10.250 --> 00:48:12.750
history. The wreckage still rests in remote corners

00:48:12.750 --> 00:48:15.489
of the canyon. They say the crash was the turning

00:48:15.489 --> 00:48:17.849
point. Public outrage pushed Congress to overhaul

00:48:17.849 --> 00:48:20.369
the entire air traffic control system, and out

00:48:20.369 --> 00:48:23.610
of the tragedy grew the modern FAA and the national

00:48:23.630 --> 00:48:25.909
system of regulated skies we take for granted

00:48:25.909 --> 00:48:28.170
today. So when you hear about no fly zones over

00:48:28.170 --> 00:48:29.809
Grand Canyon, what you're really hearing about

00:48:29.809 --> 00:48:32.469
is the regulations which were written to prevent

00:48:32.469 --> 00:48:36.349
another disaster. But we do have a very sophisticated

00:48:36.349 --> 00:48:39.929
FAA today. And those regulations still exist

00:48:39.929 --> 00:48:42.230
today where there are no fly zones over the Grand

00:48:42.230 --> 00:48:44.489
Canyon. Now to me, that's don't fly over the

00:48:44.489 --> 00:48:46.889
Pacific because you might crash into the water

00:48:46.889 --> 00:48:49.670
or don't fly into DC because a helicopter and

00:48:49.670 --> 00:48:52.369
airplane collided together. It doesn't make a

00:48:52.369 --> 00:48:55.119
whole hell of a lot of sense to me. I think it

00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:57.300
adds a little bit of conspiracy to this story.

00:48:57.719 --> 00:48:59.079
Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me,

00:48:59.219 --> 00:49:01.860
man. That almost seems like a really crappy excuse

00:49:01.860 --> 00:49:03.880
just not to have somebody fly over. You look

00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:06.139
at the airports, like you have dozens of planes

00:49:06.139 --> 00:49:08.139
flying within hundreds of meters of one another,

00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.300
taking off, landing, taking off, landing. You're

00:49:10.300 --> 00:49:11.880
going to restrict an area just over the ground.

00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:13.360
Why don't you just restrict all the airspace

00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.440
all over? over the whole world at that point.

00:49:15.539 --> 00:49:19.320
That seems like a pretty crappy excuse to, and

00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.079
unbelievable at that. Planes crash in the Alps.

00:49:22.179 --> 00:49:24.619
They crash in the forest of the freaking Amazon.

00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.400
You're never going to get that stuff. You're

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.440
never going to recover that, but just sporadically,

00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.179
let's just pick the Grand Canyon. I think it's

00:49:31.179 --> 00:49:32.619
just because they don't want people taking pictures,

00:49:32.619 --> 00:49:35.139
man. I think there's, I have my opinion what

00:49:35.139 --> 00:49:37.980
I think it is and we'll get to that, but that's

00:49:37.980 --> 00:49:40.000
like saying you can't have your car key to drive

00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.099
your car. You can just look at it in the driveway.

00:49:42.300 --> 00:49:44.559
It's super weird. Like you can't fly over it.

00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.440
You can't walk where you want to walk. You can

00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.619
walk where we tell you to walk. I just find the

00:49:48.619 --> 00:49:51.219
whole thing strange. What it is ultimately, I

00:49:51.219 --> 00:49:53.619
have my opinions, but. It's strange. They don't

00:49:53.619 --> 00:49:55.380
even let you fly drones. The drones are, what,

00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:57.500
a foot by foot? If you're lucky, you can't fly

00:49:57.500 --> 00:49:59.800
a drone through the Grand Canyon. Why is that?

00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:01.820
Are you afraid it's going to crash into a helicopter

00:50:01.820 --> 00:50:03.880
or a jet plane? There's something they don't

00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.800
want you to see. Let's just give them the benefit

00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.239
of the doubt and say, we don't want you down

00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:09.440
there because it's too dangerous. We don't have

00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:11.599
to come rescue you. Fine. I want to fly my drone

00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:14.019
that maybe has, I don't know, let's just get

00:50:14.019 --> 00:50:16.380
an advanced drone that you or I could buy for

00:50:16.380 --> 00:50:19.550
10 grand and maybe it's... the size of a, I don't

00:50:19.550 --> 00:50:21.590
know, half the size of a car, a couple hundred

00:50:21.590 --> 00:50:23.809
pounds. Let me fly it a hundred miles in. Why

00:50:23.809 --> 00:50:25.510
can't I do that and take pictures? There's just,

00:50:25.550 --> 00:50:26.769
there's something there that I don't want you

00:50:26.769 --> 00:50:28.590
to see. And that's the only thing I can come

00:50:28.590 --> 00:50:31.590
up with. Exactly. And when it comes to the Grand

00:50:31.590 --> 00:50:34.829
Canyon, it does have a darker known history as

00:50:34.829 --> 00:50:37.469
well. And it involves a lot of people vanishing

00:50:37.469 --> 00:50:40.909
there. Disappearance in the canyon, in my opinion,

00:50:40.969 --> 00:50:43.969
and what I read about are very real. Every year,

00:50:44.170 --> 00:50:46.469
visitors underestimate the terrain, the heat,

00:50:46.510 --> 00:50:48.750
the power of the river. Some cases have been

00:50:48.750 --> 00:50:51.369
solved with tragic endings and kind of others

00:50:51.369 --> 00:50:53.869
remain mysteries. Two of the most famous examples

00:50:53.869 --> 00:50:56.389
that I could find that kind of book in nearly

00:50:56.389 --> 00:50:59.199
a century of speculation. And here's the first

00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.579
one. In 1928, newlyweds Glenn and Bessie Hyde

00:51:02.579 --> 00:51:04.760
set off down the Colorado River on their honeymoon

00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:08.059
adventure. Their boat was found floating intact.

00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:10.139
All their supplies that they brought with them

00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:12.579
were still on board, but Glenn and Bessie were

00:51:12.579 --> 00:51:15.519
gone. And to this date? Their fate remains one

00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.619
of the canyon's most enduring mysteries because

00:51:17.619 --> 00:51:19.559
boat was completely fine. They must've gotten

00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.940
off or gotten taken, but they were simply gone.

00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.739
Then we fast forward to 2015. Morgan Heimer,

00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:28.400
which is a young river guide at that time, was

00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:31.000
last seen near Pumpkin Springs during a commercial

00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.760
rafting trip. And he once again vanished. An

00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:35.739
intensive search with helicopters, ground crews

00:51:35.739 --> 00:51:38.440
and river teams found absolutely nothing. And

00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.900
his case still remains open. Stories like these

00:51:41.900 --> 00:51:44.400
really feed the work of David David Polideads,

00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:46.980
which is a former police officer turned into

00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:49.599
an author and filmmaker, created the Missing

00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.280
411 series. I'm not sure if you heard about it,

00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.920
which argues that disappearance in the national

00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:57.440
parks across North America from these kind of

00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.340
disturbing patterns. David highlights strange

00:52:00.340 --> 00:52:02.980
circumstances, people vanishing within minutes,

00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:06.280
bodies found in hard to reach places or these

00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:09.519
cases with eerie similarities. To his audience,

00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.059
the Grand Canyon became one of the very many

00:52:12.059 --> 00:52:15.329
hotspots of unexplained vanishing. But critics

00:52:15.329 --> 00:52:17.389
point out the problems. David rarely provides

00:52:17.389 --> 00:52:19.929
full case details and often leads out very important

00:52:19.929 --> 00:52:22.269
facts about the law enforcement's kind of search

00:52:22.269 --> 00:52:24.730
and rescue teams that they put on record. But

00:52:24.730 --> 00:52:26.869
to me, there's a whole hell of a lot of people

00:52:26.869 --> 00:52:29.909
that has disappeared in the Grand Canyon. And

00:52:29.909 --> 00:52:31.730
to me, that kind of just adds to the conspiracy.

00:52:32.010 --> 00:52:33.909
And sometimes I wonder if you're going down a

00:52:33.909 --> 00:52:36.389
river and you see a cave, and if what they say

00:52:36.389 --> 00:52:39.449
is true, these cave networks are large and vast,

00:52:39.590 --> 00:52:41.849
you have to be pretty intrepid to be going down.

00:52:41.869 --> 00:52:44.329
on a raft in the middle of Grand Canyon. My assumption

00:52:44.329 --> 00:52:47.250
is that you have this high need to know, high

00:52:47.250 --> 00:52:49.289
need to explore. And sometimes I wonder, hey,

00:52:49.469 --> 00:52:51.570
if you or I are rafting down the Grand Canyon,

00:52:51.730 --> 00:52:54.190
we see a cave after all the podcasts we've done,

00:52:54.349 --> 00:52:56.389
I'd want to go in and look. I'd want to explore.

00:52:56.610 --> 00:52:58.670
And if there's this huge vast network of caves,

00:52:58.849 --> 00:53:00.889
if you get more than a hundred feet or a couple

00:53:00.889 --> 00:53:02.630
hundred yards in there, you may take a wrong

00:53:02.630 --> 00:53:04.389
turn and never find your way out. Especially

00:53:04.389 --> 00:53:06.050
if you're not leaving some sort of trail behind

00:53:06.050 --> 00:53:07.949
you. And who knows what's in those caves? Could

00:53:07.949 --> 00:53:10.590
there be wild animals? Could there be methane

00:53:10.590 --> 00:53:12.869
gas pockets that you just go in there and you

00:53:12.869 --> 00:53:15.050
just, you die from CO2 poisoning. Could there

00:53:15.050 --> 00:53:16.849
be, still think there was giants. I just think,

00:53:16.849 --> 00:53:18.150
I don't think it was a ton of them, but they

00:53:18.150 --> 00:53:19.789
live underground. Who knows what's in there.

00:53:19.849 --> 00:53:21.789
It's scary to think about and it makes you not

00:53:21.789 --> 00:53:24.070
want to go into a cave. That's for sure. But

00:53:24.070 --> 00:53:26.610
I tend to think that some of these missing cases

00:53:26.610 --> 00:53:28.889
are, the Grand Canyon is prone to flash floods

00:53:28.889 --> 00:53:31.369
and they happen very quickly. That region is

00:53:31.369 --> 00:53:33.929
fairly arid. And when it rains. the water going,

00:53:34.050 --> 00:53:35.989
it's going to find the lowest level to go to.

00:53:36.090 --> 00:53:38.170
So as it's coming over the cliffs, as it's pulling

00:53:38.170 --> 00:53:40.210
up in the water, I could see how you could get

00:53:40.210 --> 00:53:42.809
caught up in a mean rapid and get tossed overboard

00:53:42.809 --> 00:53:45.329
and sucked down, down the river. Some of these

00:53:45.329 --> 00:53:47.769
I think are pretty explainable, though weird,

00:53:48.030 --> 00:53:50.010
but I think if you think of it logically, there's

00:53:50.010 --> 00:53:53.340
a lot of. just mundane things, not mundane, but

00:53:53.340 --> 00:53:55.639
a lot of easy explanations that account for some

00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:57.480
of these missing people. And I think going into

00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.280
a cave is probably the likely outcome of some

00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.039
of these cases and they just can't find a way

00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.119
out. It reminds me of, I don't know if you ever

00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.119
went to it, the mammoth caves, which I think

00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:09.199
is in Kentucky, if I remember correctly. Yeah.

00:54:09.300 --> 00:54:12.440
And in my early twenties, I did some spelunking

00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:14.840
there. You could go on adventures and go explore

00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:17.780
around, which was very exciting. But the further,

00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:20.119
and they tell you that a lot of these caverns

00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.219
Like you can find a vein that nobody's ever discovered

00:54:22.219 --> 00:54:26.079
before because the pathways are fast and just

00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.719
unknown, at least at that time. And the further

00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.860
I would go down there, the wetter would obviously

00:54:30.860 --> 00:54:33.420
get then at times their sections of the cave

00:54:33.420 --> 00:54:35.440
would be flooded. So you'd have to find an alternative

00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.059
pathway. And the further I got down, man, my

00:54:38.059 --> 00:54:40.579
anxiety would just kick off and the walls would

00:54:40.579 --> 00:54:42.579
get very thin on if you ever been in those caves

00:54:42.579 --> 00:54:45.079
where like you have to like shimmy through in

00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:46.679
order to get to the portals. I don't know how

00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:48.679
people do it. Cause I would go down there for

00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:50.840
40. minutes and I'm like, I'm ready to go back

00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:52.659
up to the top. I'm tired of squeezing through

00:54:52.659 --> 00:54:54.900
these rocks and getting claustrophobia. Dude,

00:54:54.940 --> 00:54:57.260
I probably couldn't fit in half the holes, man.

00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.340
I'd be like, yo, yeah, that's all you big dog.

00:55:00.460 --> 00:55:02.400
I'm not trying to squeeze through that. The only

00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:04.539
way you can see is with a headlamp, but it's,

00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:06.880
I'm like thinking of bugs and bats and everything

00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.360
else that could be crawling around there. Yeah,

00:55:09.380 --> 00:55:11.860
dude. I like exploring, but I like to be able

00:55:11.860 --> 00:55:14.019
to move. Exactly. Dude, I got to ask, what do

00:55:14.019 --> 00:55:15.980
you make of this? What do you make of the Grand

00:55:15.980 --> 00:55:19.059
Canyon? What do you think it is? It's an interesting

00:55:19.059 --> 00:55:22.980
theory. I think when we stand at the edge of

00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:25.340
the Grand Canyon, we're ultimately looking at

00:55:25.340 --> 00:55:28.300
more than just layers of stone. I think we're

00:55:28.300 --> 00:55:31.679
looking at a witness to history. And for many

00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.239
Christians, myself included, that history is

00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.860
not millions of years of slow erosion, but the

00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:40.440
story told in Genesis, the account of Noah's

00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.670
flood. Scripture records a global cataclysmic

00:55:44.670 --> 00:55:46.869
event, which all the fountains of the great deep

00:55:46.869 --> 00:55:49.489
-verse forest, waters cover the earth, reshaping

00:55:49.489 --> 00:55:51.829
the land in ways both dramatic and permanent.

00:55:52.130 --> 00:55:55.030
I think to believers, the Grand Canyon is one

00:55:55.030 --> 00:55:57.929
of the clearest testimonies to that event. Its

00:55:57.929 --> 00:56:01.510
sheer wall displays miles of stacked stone, which

00:56:01.510 --> 00:56:05.110
is sandstone, shale, limestone, laid down quickly

00:56:05.110 --> 00:56:08.349
by floodwaters that swept across all these continents.

00:56:08.570 --> 00:56:10.409
You know, what the things they found down there

00:56:10.409 --> 00:56:13.340
are marine fossils high on the canyon. walls,

00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:16.119
which to me points to a time when the ocean covered

00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:19.639
the now dry Arizona desert and the canyon itself

00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.679
rather being carved slowly by the Colorado river

00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.679
over millions of years. It's my belief it was

00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.840
cut rapidly as the flood waters receded. Imagine

00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:31.539
the unimaginable force of water draining off

00:56:31.539 --> 00:56:34.440
the continent, rushing, escouring, slicing through

00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.079
the rocks. In that light, the Grand Canyon is

00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.940
not just a symbol of deep time, but of judgment.

00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:43.420
and also of God's power and mercy. For the flood

00:56:43.420 --> 00:56:45.940
narrative ends not in destruction, but in the

00:56:45.940 --> 00:56:47.920
covenant, the rainbow, the promise, and such

00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.440
judgments would never come again by way of water.

00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.480
I think looking through that biblical lens, it

00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.579
changes the canyon from this geological curiosity

00:56:56.579 --> 00:56:59.519
to a spiritual monument. It tells us that the

00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:01.619
Bible's history is reliable and that God's word

00:57:01.619 --> 00:57:04.619
explains the world we see today. And that canyon

00:57:04.619 --> 00:57:06.619
is not just a wonder of nature, but a reminder

00:57:06.619 --> 00:57:09.739
of God's sovereignty over creation and human

00:57:09.739 --> 00:57:11.980
- in history. Now, I think from a conspiracy

00:57:11.980 --> 00:57:15.099
standpoint, I'm of the opinion that there's probably

00:57:15.099 --> 00:57:18.739
some nephephelium activity that occurred there

00:57:18.739 --> 00:57:21.699
is occurring there or had occurred there. And

00:57:21.699 --> 00:57:24.239
it explains some of these artifacts. I think

00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:27.239
the Smithsonian is unreliable. And I think they're

00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:29.420
not telling us all the details that were uncovered.

00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:32.920
And instead of telling us facts, I think they're

00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.599
burying them under their own particular lens

00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:38.119
of the story that they want to tell, which is

00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:41.820
ultimately. evolution and the big bang theory

00:57:41.820 --> 00:57:43.599
and all these different things that they want

00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.239
to lead you astray and lead you to believe. I

00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:48.500
buy into this one a little bit. Don't buy into

00:57:48.500 --> 00:57:51.280
the UFO thing. I think that's a little bit hokey

00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:55.079
for me, but I do buy into the spiritual lens.

00:57:55.300 --> 00:57:58.159
And I wonder, and I love the opinion right now

00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:00.760
that it's one of the greatest artifacts where

00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.739
we can point to that says God created this world.

00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:05.659
And we have a lot of interesting facts that can

00:58:05.659 --> 00:58:08.219
point to that, whether it be the fall of man,

00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:10.780
the fall of angels or the nephephelium. Because

00:58:10.780 --> 00:58:13.460
if you look at the Grand Canyon, why are things

00:58:13.460 --> 00:58:15.440
of the sea being discovered in the walls? It

00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.300
just doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense.

00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:20.119
why that would be there unless you follow the

00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:22.420
creation narrative. And as we went through it,

00:58:22.420 --> 00:58:24.679
and as you recounted, these tribes are talking

00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:26.699
about star people. They're talking about things

00:58:26.699 --> 00:58:28.679
they didn't quite understand. Perhaps they didn't

00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.900
get the word of God before they started to encounter

00:58:30.900 --> 00:58:33.420
it, but they're also talking about nephephelium.

00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.099
And so I think it's, and again, I look through

00:58:36.099 --> 00:58:38.659
the world through a biblical lens, but I buy

00:58:38.659 --> 00:58:40.840
into some of these details. Yeah, man. I agree

00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:43.480
with you. I think a lot of people conflate alien

00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.139
technology with fallen angel technology. That

00:58:46.139 --> 00:58:48.670
was... given to us pre -flood. They are not the

00:58:48.670 --> 00:58:51.210
same. They're different in definition and in

00:58:51.210 --> 00:58:54.230
theory. I do believe that the Grand Canyon was

00:58:54.230 --> 00:58:58.230
carved out in a matter of days due to God's judgment.

00:58:58.449 --> 00:59:01.630
I don't think it took millions of years to do

00:59:01.630 --> 00:59:04.829
that. I actually watched an interesting documentary

00:59:04.829 --> 00:59:07.949
on Amazon and there's plenty of geological evidence

00:59:07.949 --> 00:59:10.730
to suggest that it happened in a matter of days,

00:59:10.809 --> 00:59:13.530
weeks, and not in the matter of millennia. I'm

00:59:13.530 --> 00:59:16.340
under the Impression. I'm just shooting from

00:59:16.340 --> 00:59:18.880
the hip here. I wonder, and this is just a part

00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:21.460
of my brain looking at it through, like you say,

00:59:21.579 --> 00:59:25.139
a biblical lens. I wonder at some point if the

00:59:25.139 --> 00:59:28.159
Nephilim and the fallen angels knew that the

00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:29.960
judgment was coming. I don't see how they wouldn't

00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:32.559
have known. I think there was plenty of apocryphal

00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:34.900
evidence through the book of Enoch that they

00:59:34.900 --> 00:59:36.679
knew that they were going to be judged and they

00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:38.320
knew that they were going to be wiped off the

00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:40.159
planet. If you ever get a chance to read the

00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:43.320
book of Enoch, it's fascinating in my opinion.

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a pseudo -historical document, and they asked

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Enoch to talk to God and ask them to spare judgment

00:59:50.460 --> 00:59:52.820
and forgive them. And Enoch said, yeah, I'll

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go ask. And essentially God said no. It's like,

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you try to corrupt my creation. Tried to, and

00:59:59.059 --> 01:00:02.340
as you, all the Bible is foreshadowing to Jesus

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Christ, God's ultimate plan for forgiveness for

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the original sin. And I think Lucifer and the

01:00:08.500 --> 01:00:12.139
angels wanted to, they hate us so much. that

01:00:12.139 --> 01:00:14.739
they wanted to pollute our gene pool so that

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Christ could never be born. Not that I think

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they knew it, but I think they just hated God

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and God's creation so much that they just didn't

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want it to exist. So they came up with this plan

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to essentially make it their own by injecting

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their own DNA or genetic code or whatever they

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have into us. And God's like, nah, you think

01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:36.000
you're doing something wise and you think you're

01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:37.519
doing something sneaky, you don't even know the

01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.090
plan. So part of me thinks that And I've said

01:00:40.090 --> 01:00:42.449
this before on the show, and I do believe this.

01:00:42.849 --> 01:00:44.929
And again, it's not a matter of salvation. I

01:00:44.929 --> 01:00:47.170
do think that when the flood happened, it talks

01:00:47.170 --> 01:00:49.369
about the waters and the deep bursting forth.

01:00:49.630 --> 01:00:51.389
I do think the earth expanded. I don't think

01:00:51.389 --> 01:00:54.030
we had these massive oceans. I don't think we

01:00:54.030 --> 01:00:56.130
had the Pacific. I don't think we had the Atlantic.

01:00:56.590 --> 01:00:59.869
I think the earth was much smaller in circumference.

01:00:59.949 --> 01:01:02.909
And I am under the belief, and I could have my

01:01:02.909 --> 01:01:05.909
opinion changed, that most of what the earth

01:01:05.909 --> 01:01:08.769
was landmass with lakes and rivers and all that.

01:01:08.889 --> 01:01:11.690
But you didn't have these vast oceans. So people

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could traverse the earth much quickly because

01:01:13.869 --> 01:01:16.150
it wasn't as large as it is now, at least in

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terms of its diameter and radius. But as the

01:01:19.949 --> 01:01:22.349
flood happened, it split apart, it grew larger,

01:01:22.510 --> 01:01:24.849
and that's where a bunch of these oceans came

01:01:24.849 --> 01:01:27.230
from. That's why I think that there's a lot of

01:01:27.230 --> 01:01:30.230
similar archaeology, a lot of similar stories

01:01:30.230 --> 01:01:32.650
and technology. But a part of me wonders in them.

01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:35.900
I know I'm being a bit long winded here, is if,

01:01:36.139 --> 01:01:38.760
I wonder if the Nephilim and the fallen angels

01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.260
thought they built underground cities that somehow

01:01:41.260 --> 01:01:43.679
they could ride out the flood. And I think it's

01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:46.300
interesting how the Grand Canyon was carved out

01:01:46.300 --> 01:01:49.539
so quickly. And I think it exposed parts of these

01:01:49.539 --> 01:01:52.119
underground cities that have these ancient ruins,

01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:55.739
these mummies, a lot of this proposed ancient

01:01:55.739 --> 01:01:58.139
technology. And God was like, Nope, gonna carve

01:01:58.139 --> 01:02:00.420
this out. Here's your stupid city. You guys are

01:02:00.420 --> 01:02:03.880
all dead. Now here's a testament to what you

01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.639
guys did and to what I can't do. There's nothing

01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:10.420
you can do to override my grand plan to save

01:02:10.420 --> 01:02:13.079
the human race through my son. So I wonder if,

01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:15.840
I don't think, and I think as time progressed,

01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:18.940
people found these caves. Heck, people may have

01:02:18.940 --> 01:02:21.460
even deposited some of their artifacts from the

01:02:21.460 --> 01:02:23.280
different parts of the world into them. And I

01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:25.769
wonder if that's what we're seeing. It reminds

01:02:25.769 --> 01:02:28.869
me is we're all trying to be kingmakers. And

01:02:28.869 --> 01:02:31.030
what I think the ultimate story of good versus

01:02:31.030 --> 01:02:33.989
evil is that we're trying to overcome God by

01:02:33.989 --> 01:02:36.710
replacing him by being our own versions of God

01:02:36.710 --> 01:02:38.989
and controlling the narrative and controlling

01:02:38.989 --> 01:02:41.489
creation and controlling building. And we can

01:02:41.489 --> 01:02:43.670
never, you can never do that. Like it's the greatest

01:02:43.670 --> 01:02:48.239
lie on earth. as wise as they said the nephephyllium

01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:50.300
war because they brought down forbidden knowledge

01:02:50.300 --> 01:02:53.260
from heaven and led people astray, but they had

01:02:53.260 --> 01:02:55.780
advanced technology. But as wise as they were,

01:02:55.780 --> 01:02:58.019
they can't hide from God. And it's a good point.

01:02:58.079 --> 01:02:59.480
Perhaps they were building these underground

01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:01.079
cities and they were trying to find a way to

01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:03.800
seal it off and protect himself from the floodwaters.

01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.519
Maybe, maybe. But they saw what making kings

01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:08.420
were. They failed. And if they're still around

01:03:08.420 --> 01:03:10.340
today, don't know. I know the devil's prowling,

01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:12.719
but I don't know if these particular breeders

01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:14.900
are around. They will learn it again. in the

01:03:14.900 --> 01:03:17.679
long run. But what do you want to leave our audience

01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:20.360
with today? Man, same thing I do every week.

01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:22.659
I don't think that will ever change. Maybe it

01:03:22.659 --> 01:03:24.960
will. Jesus loves you. We love you. I love you,

01:03:25.059 --> 01:03:27.619
brother. And the most important thing, man, is

01:03:27.619 --> 01:03:29.940
study the Word of God. Ask for wisdom and discernment.

01:03:30.300 --> 01:03:32.679
I think if you look at history enough, you'll

01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.119
see so many puzzle pieces that fit together,

01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:37.480
and it points back to a lot of the stuff that

01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.409
we see today. A lot of the congruencies between

01:03:40.409 --> 01:03:42.949
cultures, they all kind of point back to one

01:03:42.949 --> 01:03:45.130
that existed pre -flood. And I'm just going to

01:03:45.130 --> 01:03:48.730
say, I know it existed pre -flood when Noah and

01:03:48.730 --> 01:03:51.010
his family got off the ark. They obviously knew

01:03:51.010 --> 01:03:53.309
the histories. They obviously knew the stories,

01:03:53.750 --> 01:03:56.809
though Noah may have carried the flag to what

01:03:56.809 --> 01:03:59.929
we are today. I think his sons and their wives.

01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:02.639
fell back into the old ways and took up the old

01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:05.260
cultures and spread the old stories. And that

01:04:05.260 --> 01:04:07.639
really just re -expanded back all over the world.

01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:09.679
And I think a lot of the stuff that we see with

01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:12.480
the Egyptians, I think that was the pyramids

01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.480
with some of the markings on the walls, some

01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.679
of that technology that I think exists. I think

01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:21.820
a lot of that was just a reinterpretation or

01:04:21.820 --> 01:04:25.159
a people just taking on that guise because that's

01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:26.960
what they knew and that's what they started to

01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:29.559
present themselves with again. I think in closing,

01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:32.559
it reminds me of a story. They say the devil

01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:35.960
wept when Jesus was crucified. Not because he

01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:37.880
cared about Jesus, because quite frankly, he

01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:40.500
probably didn't because he knew he was doomed.

01:04:40.780 --> 01:04:43.500
Have discernment, question everything and have

01:04:43.500 --> 01:04:45.719
understanding. Everything that the government's

01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:47.579
telling you, everything that museums are telling

01:04:47.579 --> 01:04:49.900
you, the narrative that they are feeding you

01:04:49.900 --> 01:04:53.000
ain't always accurate. So lead with discernment.

01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:57.179
Until next time, like, subscribe, follow, reach

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Zero Signal. I just want to say one thing. I

01:05:02.219 --> 01:05:05.019
think when Jesus was crucified, the devil thought

01:05:05.019 --> 01:05:07.699
he won. I think the devil wept when Jesus came

01:05:07.699 --> 01:05:09.059
back to life because I don't think they were

01:05:09.059 --> 01:05:11.260
expecting that. I think that was when they knew

01:05:11.260 --> 01:05:14.099
they were screwed, bro. That's when they knew.

01:05:14.380 --> 01:05:16.840
They thought they won. Then Jesus came back and

01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.360
they're like, I had no idea. But anyway, with

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