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way. A show about what they won't say and what
you're probably already thinking. No fluff, no
filters, no bullshit. Let's crack it open. The
Grand Canyon. It's more than just a crack in
the earth. It's a place that almost demands mystery.
Standing on the rim, you're staring into a chism
so vast and layered, it feels like another world.
Caves lying its walls by the hundreds. Dark mouths
and the public will never see. The Park Service.
keeps them sealed to protect fragile ecosystems,
ancient artifacts, and even endangered bats.
That's the official story. But when you close
off doorways into the unknown, people start asking,
what else are they hiding in there? And then
there are the names. Isis temple. Cheops pyramid.
Tower of Ra. Not nicknames from the modern conspiracy
forums, but official place names given more than
a century ago. by a geologist with a taste for
the mythology. To the average hiker, they're
just about labels on a map. To the conspiracy
minded, they're breadcrumbs. Evidence that something
ancient and foreign once lived here. Even the
sky above plays into the myth -making. Airspace
above the canyon is restricted. And when you
combine no -fly zones with off -limit caves and
secretive archeology, you create the perfect
recipe for the government cover -ups and hidden
civilizations. That's why the Grand Canyon is
such a fertile ground for conspiracy. It's not
just stone. and river. It's a canvas for every
theory you can imagine. Ancient Egyptians carving
tombs into the cliffs. Giants buried in sealed
caves. Underground tunnels that connect to civilizations
beneath our feet. Some of these claims can be
debunked in a heartbeat. Others, well, they'll
make you pause. And that's why we're here today.
To pull back the layers of rumor and reality.
To see what's truly hidden in that giant canyon.
So Jay, what do you make of this conspiracy?
I really like this conspiracy theory and I'm
inclined to believe a lot of the proposed evidence,
a lot of the proposed theories that kind of revolve
around it. I think it's a fun one, man, and it's
been getting a lot of attention lately. It links
back to the Smithsonian's and some of these articles
back in the early 1900s. So the genesis of this
one, at least in terms of the Westernized American
awareness, starts with a fella by the name of
G .E. Kincaid. Have you heard anything about
him? Yeah, there's a lot of writings about G
.E. Kincaid. Yeah. Interesting fella. Maybe you
know... of his backstory than I do, but essentially
there's an article published back in April of
1808 and he was looking for minerals down through
the Grand Canyon. Put the backdrop in the story,
Teddy Roosevelt decided to limit access to the
Grand Canyon in, in hopes of preserving it. So
essentially what he wanted to do was to prevent
mining operations and deforesting operations.
The deforesting operations doesn't make a whole
lot of sense. There's not a lot of trees out
there. It's not like there's timber, but essentially
what he was trying to do is keep people from
mining gold down in the Grand Canyon. But before
all that took effect, G Kinkade went down there
looking for minerals. And I think minerals is.
term for gold before the restrictions took place.
So as he's going down through the canyon, down
one of the rivers, he sees what he thinks is
like a mineral deposit. It's about 2000 feet
above the rock face. So he decides to go ahead
and hike up in there. So when he gets there,
he sees a cave entrance. And when he walks to
the cave, he purported to see Egyptian hylogryphics,
mummies of both regular size humans and giant
humans. And he said this cavern traveled miles
and miles and miles. It was so big, it was purported
that he could actually house 50 ,000. So interesting
story published in a mainstream newspaper at
the time. Apparently there's photos, but a lot
of those were either taken back to the Smithsonian's
along with a ton of the artifacts and it gets
to an interesting twist. So when he's down there,
he's actually exploring this area with the funding
of the Smithsonian's. So he goes back and reports.
to them what he found, but they send roughly
30 to 40 Smithsonian archeologists under the
lead of SA Jordan. And they report the same thing.
They found hundreds of chambers all full of not
only Egyptian artifacts, but also some Eastern
artifacts. purported to find a statue of Buddha
along with the mummies and all kinds of gold
endowed statues and just the typical stuff you
would see in any sort of Egyptian. Yeah, just
to level set a little bit back. So G .E. Kincaid's
story originates around April of 1909. And the
newspaper that you referenced was the Arizona
Gazette, which is a small Phoenix newspaper published
this sensational article. In it, they named Kincaid
and claim he discovered this massive cavern system
while traveling down the Colorado River. They
don't make it like if he was going out there
to discover it or just perhaps taking an exposition
down the Grand Canyon and runs into it. But the
cave he discovers wasn't just any cave. According
to the story, it held mummies wrapped in cloth,
statues and copper weapons, mysterious hieroglyphs
and entire chambers carved into the rock. It
was described at this subterranean city and an
ancient world really frozen in time. The article
even further. Supposedly, the Smithsonian archaeologist
named Professor S .A. Jordan arrived to lead
an excavation. The story suggested that the Smithsonian
had quietly taken control and cataloged the artifacts
and then sealed off the cave so nobody else could
get there. After that, silence. No reports, no
artifacts ever displayed, no coordinates to prove
the site existed. This is where, in my opinion,
the conspiracy really takes root. If the Smithsonian
didn't find ancient Egyptian or Asian presence
in North America, why the hell would they hide
it? It's not because such a discovery would rewrite
history, challenging the mainstream archaeology
and upsetting the powerful institutions. To this
day, the internet forums and YouTube documentaries
keep the legend alive. Pointing to the canyon,
the Egyptian -sounding landmarks, Isis Temple,
Chaops Pyramid, Tower of Ra, as proof that something
was going on there. For me, when I dig into the
facts, the cracks do appear a little bit. The
Smithsonian has publicly stated that there's
no record of G .E. Kincaid. And let's be frank,
if they're trying to hide something, they would
probably hide his name. They also said there's
no Professor Jordan and no expedition into the
canyon that occurred in 1909. Researchers like
Don Lago, respected Grand Canyon historian, really
have combed through the Smithsonian archives
and the Arizona Gazette's publication history
and other period newspapers. What they found
is that 1909 piece fits neatly into a broader
pattern of the earliest 20th century law civilizations.
Newspaper stories that were going around during
that time. Articles meant more to sell papers
rather than report. facts. These hoaxes were
common at the time, playing into the American
appetite for adventure tales and exotic discoveries
and these kind of archaeological mysteries. The
story refuses to die, and I understand why. Because
if they discovered something really important
there, as G .E. Kincaid reportedly did, even
though the Smithsonian is trying to cover it
up, what's the purpose behind it? Perhaps they're
trying to say that the official narrative that
our education system likes to feed us, that evolution
is the mainstream. perhaps they discovered something
more important. Perhaps they discovered something
that speaks to the Christian narrative of creation
and Noah's flood. And that's what I go back to.
What are they trying to hide? Because there's
a lot of miraculous discoveries that were discovered
during Kincaid's time there, along with others
that we see along the route. So it's a really
fascinating story, but for me to find this person
actually existed, it was pretty hard to find
that fact. Yeah. I mean, I think the further
you go back in time, especially in the early...
1900s. All those records are written. And it
doesn't take a whole lot of effort to find the
written record and pull it from your file cabinet.
It's so much easier to make somebody disappear
and to remove an expedition from your files than
it would be today. Everyone today has phones,
there's internet, information flies back and
forth in milliseconds. Back then, I'm sure there
are plenty of people that have some fantastic
stories that we'll never know about because it's
their hand journals that either waste away the
time, got burned up in the fire. You know, the
story of the library of the Alexandria. the halls
and halls of records from antiquity that was
burnt by the Romans. There's a ton of information
there that was transcribed on to scrolls or into
parchment. And it's not a whole lot different
than it would be back in 1909. It's easy to make
those records disappear. I'm also under the impression
and under the belief that the Smithsonian Institute
hides a lot of. archaeological facts from us
that don't meet the mainstream educational narrative.
So for me, it's not a far -fetched claim to remove
these records and to claim the expedition never
existed. And the people telling us this, all
they're doing is referencing what they can find
and they're just drawing the conclusion. It's
not that they're trying to deceive us. They're
just saying there's no records exist and we can't
find any evidence of the such. Just like if you
were a cop and you're looking into a case that
happened back in 1945 and somebody came to you
and said, Hey, I. know this person was murdered,
but if you go into the files, someone took the
file out, you're not going to know any difference.
That never happened, or at least we don't have
any record of it happening. Yeah, it's a good
point. A lot of time has passed since this expedition
has occurred and people hide facts. Have you
heard about the giant skeletons that were discovered
in this region? Yeah, I didn't run across some
of that. A lot of giant mummified skeletons that
were pulled out of the caves and the claim there
too is that they were hauled off to the Smithsonian's.
And again, we go back to this claim that there's
huge underground vaults underneath it that house
a plethora of archaeological evidence that don't
fit the main. stream, I often think about Indiana
Jones. He's in these underground bunkers, just
full of this archeological archive that nobody
knows exists. And that sometimes I think, and
we've talked about it before, that media reflects
some of the secrets in society in general. Yeah.
And one of the kinds I think about, and we'll
circle back to this a little bit later, when
we talk about the giant skeletons is I think
about the nephophilia, but we'll circle back
to the religious topic a little bit later, but
to give some background and what this is going
to serve as the greater Smithsonian narrative,
because everything you look at, they want to
debunk immediately. So I'm not saying I believe
this, but this is the information that I've found.
And it's in regards to one of the legends of
the Grand Canyon that just refused to die. And
really to American archeology in general is the
claim that these giant human skeletons were once
unearthed here and then quietly destroyed by
the Smithsonian. It sounds like something, as
you stated, out of Indiana Jones. Explorers hauling
these enormous bones. out of cavernous tombs
only for them to vanish in government vaults
and never really being seen again. The version
most people see online today actually traces
back to an article published in 2014. It claimed
that the Smithsonian admitted to destroying tens
of thousands of giant skeletons in the early
1900s, right around Kincaid when he discovered
it in 1908. They say that the story was fiction,
but obviously when you're talking about giant
skeletons, it spreads like wildfire across all
your social media platforms, Facebook, YouTube,
and obviously your conspiracy forums. Kind of
stripped of that satire, which is the narrative.
that the Smithsonian wants to tell people. But
obviously a lot of people want it to be true.
But honestly, the Giants' ideal didn't start
in 2014. It was much older than that, stretching
back to the 19th century. Newspapers of that
era routinely published these tales of giant
skeletons discovered in Native American burial
mounds, often with no verification whatsoever.
Some of these reports may have been deliberate
hoaxes, otherwise likely come from the farmers
or amateur diggers misidentifying the bones of
Macedonians. or what they call the Macedonians
or the ice age, megafauna as human remains. And
then kind of radicalized as mound builder myths
of that time. And you know, that false ideal
that an ancient lost race built North America's
great earthworks instead of the indigenous people.
And you had these fertile soil of the giant narrative
kind of grow. And now the Smithsonian role was
to serve the greater narrative. All of this stuff
is fake. Don't listen to any of it. Of course
we have records dating back to 1600 or. whatever,
and they're hiding it. But it seems a little
bit weird that we see this repetitive news article
coming out where they're hauling these giant
skeletons out of the Grand Canyon. I think what
we do know is that the Grand Canyon is very old.
And that's your definition of how old the earth
is, whatever you want to put that to, but it's
obviously been there a really long time and it's
served like our history of the world that's always
been there. So I don't buy the history they're
trying to sell us here. It seems a little bit
unusual to me that many people are documenting
it. pops up during Kincaid's discovery of 1908,
and then it later pops back up here in the 20th
century. Yeah, that kind of reminds me of some
ancient Native American legends, myths, stories
about them actually fighting giants. Other stories,
especially when you, the further west you go,
the more... detailed and numerous they become,
but the natives had stories about giants running
across the plains and they were so big, they
could run faster than Buffalo grabbing them up
with one hand and run off with them. That's a
big freaking giant, big and strong. They're running
faster than the herds. They're able to pick one
up in each hand and those weigh what 1200 pounds
and scary stuff. And there's plenty of stories,
especially going back into the late 1800s, late
1900s by farmers saying that they've, they found
giant bones on their property. inform the local
government, which in turn informs the federal
government, which ultimately traces back to the
Smithsonian. And they come out, they excavate
the bones, and then they're never heard from
again. Do I think that they destroyed these giant
bones? I don't. I think that if they exist, which
I'm inclined to believe that they do, they're
a warehouse somewhere underground. I don't think
everything is housed underneath the Smithsonian's.
I've been there before, you've been there before.
That complex would have to be ginormous. But
I think there are places around the U .S. where
they house some of this archaeological stuff
that's out of sight, out of mind. There's also
stories of the conquistadors landing on certain
islands being met by the indigenous that are
seven, eight, nine feet tall. And typically most
of the time they were pretty passive, but it
was intimidating enough for them to get back
on their boats and get the heck out of town.
It kind of reminds me, and this is post -flood
and we talk about numbers 11 and don't quote
me word for word on this. It ultimately ended
up being the Israelis as they were invading the
territory. They were very scared. And what they
said was that men were giants and we were like
crickets to them. They were so big that we look
like crickets to them and they look like to us.
So it tells you that nephephyllium survived post
-flood and they were within our world. And these
bones might actually back it up. And I think
a lot of the world is trying to cover up the
narrative of God and hide that away. So I could
see that they don't want us to learn about that.
Now it talked about some of the myths that they
do want us to know about. So I actually got this
off of one of the sites associated with the Smithsonian
Institute. And here are a couple of legends that
they actually want to tell us about, which they
say may or probably not be true, but I thought
they were of material kind of interesting value
anyways. So one of their first myth is Paul Bunyan's
axe created the canyon. You remember Paul Bunyan,
the giant axe. builder. Now we're talking about
giants there. The legendary lumberjack, obviously
featured in tales, had a hand in the Grand Canyon's
creation, one of the more kind of imaginative
myths about the landmark. According to folklore,
Bunyan was dragging his massive axe behind him,
and it gouged out a deep furrow in the earth,
eventually becoming the Grand Canyon. While this
story adds a touch of kind of whimsy to the canyon's
history, its formation was actually due to a
lot of different things. The next one was the
giant eagle that saved people from the canyon
flood. So this is another obviously captivating
myth surrounding the Grand Canyon. Comes from
the, and I might butcher this name, but the Holapi
tribe, which involves a particularly heroic bird
and a very large eagle. It was responsible for
forming the canyon when melting ice and comet
caused a large flood. The eagle flew down and
courageously rescued the Holapi tribe before
the comet hit the earth, carrying them away and
moving them to safety. Next, they said Bigfoot
may roam the Grand Canyon. The myths surrounding
everyone's favorite Sasquatch, Bigfoot, obviously
has fascinated people for many decades. This
creature also plays a part in the many myths
surrounding the Grand Canyon. Ports of Bigfoot
sightings have captured the imagination of visitors
and enthusiasts, as eyewitnesses have claimed
to see the elusive creature roaming in the canyon.
The next one was two gods built the canyon. Another
myth about the formation of the Grand Canyon
comes from the Havu Sapi tribe. It tells the
story of rival gods, Uchapa and Hakatama, who
battle to determine the ruler of the earth. During
the battle, Hakatama flooded the entire world,
oh, sounds familiar, leading to the formation
of the canyon. Although the flood would have
seemingly doomed life on Earth, the Tuchapa put
his daughter in a safe place so that she could
ensure life would continue after the skirmish.
Today, life on Earth thrives and many visitors
to the canyons each year take a picture of this
site. The next one is the Egyptians live in the
Grand Canyon. Connection to another culture and
the most enduring myth. Some people believe that
there was Egyptian city. The legend traces back
to obviously the newspaper article we were talking
about with GE Kincaid. And the next one they
said is, and it's weird how they rounded out
with this one, but people have bad luck with
Canyon objects. Then they said, the belief that
removing natural objects from the Canyon or stealing
cultural relics resulted in bad luck. And this
legend asserts that anyone who wrongfully decides
to take rocks, fossils, plants, or other objects
from the Canyon will face misfortune. because
of their actions. They went so far as to say
that people have stolen objects from the canyon,
whether it be rocks or something else that they
found there. And they ended up mailing it back
to them because it brought them so much bad luck
in their life. So when I look at these stories,
what I see is a lot of secular kind of belief
systems. We see witchcraft. from the bad objects.
We don't, we see false gods. We see other ways
to explain what these giants are. They want to
talk about everything else, but God and try to
explain it in a different way. And then they
sell, they say some of these things are just
for fun, but I find it interesting as they always
are steering away from God and steering towards
the kind of secular world. Yeah. I mean, I, I
heard a interesting podcast called prophecy watchers.
I'm a big fan of this guy's name, Steve quail.
Our listeners are curious. Let's go to Steve
quail .com. He's big into the. The giant theory
relates it back to Genesis six fun theological
fact that maybe some of our listeners don't know,
but the giants pre flood were referred to as
Nephilim. The giants post flood were referred
to as Raphael or gibbering. So it's interesting
how they. have different monikers pre and post
-flood. I often wonder, we understand how the
giants were formed pre -flood with fallen angels
coming down to earth mating with women and the
offsprings were giants. I often wonder, was there
another incursion by fallen angels after the
flood or was somebody carrying some sort of remnants
of the DNA in their genetic code that kind of
created the offspring? I shy away from that theory
because God picked Noah and his family because
they were perfect in their generations, which
in my mind kind of points to the fact that they
were genetically pure. They're atomites. They
weren't corrupted by angelic DNA. So I often
wonder how did the giants come back after the
flood? There are some interesting theories that
maybe some of them escaped underground because
there's underground cities. I don't know if I
believe that because God said he destroyed all
life on earth, with the exception of humans and
animals that were on the ark. I think one of
the most interesting facts that I've come across
is that 90 % of the Grand Canyon is off limits
to tourists. They use the excuse. that it's for
tribal religious preservation, natural preservation.
There's these sacred sites that don't want people
trampling over, but 90 % of an area that's ginormous
and you can't go down. There have been stories
about people going down and then next thing you
know, they're in off limit areas and there's
guys and black tactical gear coming down, tell
them they got to get out, helicopters flying
over, watching what they're doing. And there
are some pretty interesting videos of people
flying drones or there was one that I saw where
a guy was they like hang glide. up off the cliffs
and they paraglide down the canyons. And in certain
parts of his camera, his GoPro, you can see that's
very evidently columns and structures carved
into the canyon that look very Romanesque, very
Egyptians with the ornate columns. Obviously
they're worn down because of weathering time,
but they are there. So I find that super interesting.
There's also a fellow back in the 1800s named
John Powell, who took numerous photos of the
Grand Canyon. This was back when it really wasn't
off limits. And again, you can see these structures
carved. into the rock face that are very ornate,
weathered, but ornate. And they look very similar
to Egyptian type architecture back from that
period. It's mind blowing to see. Have you heard,
and we're talking about this Mismonia narrative
still, but have you heard how these places ironically
got their Egyptian names? I haven't, but I find
it a bit bizarre that they're all named after
Egyptian gods or Egyptian type areas like Mount
Isis and what have you. Yeah, it's super bizarre.
And again, we're going to continue. down in the
Smithsonian narrative until we debunk it. But
when you look at a map of the Grand Canyon, you'll
see the names, Isis Temple, Cheops pyramid, Tower
of Ra, and Osiris Temple. To me, to anyone primed
for conspiracies, these sound like smoking gun
evidence of the ancient Egyptian presence in
Arizona. After all, why else would they name
these things this? Why would they name them after
like gods and pharaohs? It just doesn't make
any sense to me. What the Smithsonian says is
is the truth is far more down to earth. And they
said, honestly, just as fascinating. According
to them, these names came from Clarence Dutton,
a US geological survey geologist in the late
19th century. Dutton wasn't just a scientist,
he was also a romantic. He wrote about the Grand
Canyon in the almost poetic terms, describing
the cliffs and buffs as natural cathedrals and
monuments. To match the grandeur he saw, he pulled
from the myths of the world, Egyptian, Hindu.
even the Arthurian legend. In his landmark 1882
monograph, The Tartaria History of the Grand
Canyon District, Deuton Christian formations,
not with dry geological jarmon, both the names
carried with cultural weight and mystery. Now,
to me, that sounds very convenient. Like we're
seeing in 1908, where we discover an Egyptian
cave and all of a sudden we have very Egyptian
names that are coming into play. He called one
buff the Isis temple, not because of Egyptians
carved it, because of its massive serene profile
reminded him of the goddess of power and mystery.
Jayof's pyramid got his name simply because the
buff's flat top, steep structure looked vaguely
like the Great Pyramid of Giza. Dutton's naming
scheme wasn't meant to rewrite history. It was
meant to inspire awe. But obviously, here's why
the myth caught fire. The names have power. When
a visitor or an armchair researcher sees the
Tower of Ra on a U .S. map, it feels more than
coincidence. And to me, it does too. I think
you combine those names with the tales of Kincaid's
lost Egyptian caves. And suddenly the canyon
transforms into a puzzle box waiting to be solved.
And again, we're building on this narrative that
they want to sell us, but it seems awfully convenient.
Yeah. I ran across an interesting theory, a couple
of them. So there was a theory that back when
Mark Anthony and Cleopatra were about to be sacked
by the Romans that they sent. their son out to
the West with 50 ,000 scientists, soldiers, ships
to send him away. So the Romans couldn't get
him. So I thought that was an interesting kind
of thread back through ancient history where
there's a claim that this, their son was sent
and they say out West people draw the conclusion
that what that meant was to the Americas. Cause
there is evidence that the Egyptians were seafaring
beat and were actually able to, it's a bit circumstantial,
but the claim is that they were able to circumnavigate
the globe with their boats. putting some puzzle
pieces together with this legend. It's possible
that a few thousand years ago that there was
a pretty big cohort of Egyptians that somehow
made it to America. I feel like it'd be really
difficult to get all, to cross thousands of miles
in North America to get to the Grand Canyon,
but it's an interesting little tidbit. And the
other claim is you've heard of the lost city
of El Dorado, like the golden city. There are
some claims that one of the reasons you can't
access a big portion of the Grand Canyon, because
in fact the lost city of El Dorado is actually
in the Grand Canyon and the government doesn't
want anyone going down there, taking the gold,
pilfering it and selling on the open market.
By doing so, if somebody was able to get their
hands on all that gold, it would just completely
tank the market. Not to mention destroy all the
artifacts. If in fact it doesn't exist in the
canyon. Yeah. It's interesting, man. We've seen,
it says sale really far. We talk about the Vikings,
how far they sell. Like they went from Denmark
to Greenland, to potentially Canada, to the Americas.
with very primitive boats at that time, they
were able to go wherever where the will took
them. I look back at the Egyptian culture and
during that time heavily influenced by the nephephelium
who brought this kind of forbidden technology
down to man and not too far of a stretch of imagination
to think that they made it all the way over here.
I think it's almost a little bit naive to think
that only the Native Americans were here and
you know what they came from the caveman and
nothing else existed before that. Perhaps they
existed here and their time ended before the
white man showed up. Yeah. The Hopi Indians have
the legend of the ant people or the star people.
And they claim that they weren't the first here
or the first in North America. They claim that
there was another somewhat advanced civilization
that lived here long before they ever arrived.
And they talk about that some of these people
had great civilizations that were not only in
North America, but South America. And this is
the interesting part to me, that they learned
this knowledge from quote unquote star people.
So this old civilization that existed before
the Native Americans learned their advanced technology,
advanced architecture from star people. And when
I hear the term star people, I think of fallen
angels, because that's who gave humankind a lot
of the knowledge that we had after we came out
of the garden. A lot of people also say there's
Anunnaki artifacts in the Grand Canyon. And to
me, Anunnaki, as we all know, is this alien race
that comes by on Planet X every half a million
thousand years. They come down, they do what
they do. But I feel like Anunnaki is the secular
term, the alien term for fallen angels. 100%.
And people just don't know how to describe them.
And as we touched on earlier, they survived post
-flood. In my opinion, fallen angels slept. with
women again and produced another off breed. We
saw that when David killed Goliath, I think Goliath
was likely a nephephyllium of that time as well.
So we see the existence of them. Whether they
still exist today, I'm not certain. Perhaps they
were extinguished when the heroes of the Bible
kind of wrote against them and took them out,
but perhaps they do. And what we know is evil
still exists today. So the fact that they continue
to prowl this earth like a lion, much like the
devil does. today. I don't think it would be
unheard of to have more nephephyllium around,
but you're right. I think the Anakki was just
a worldly, secular kind of viewpoint for what
these creatures ultimately wore. Now, when we
look at the Grand Canyon, it's a marvel. The
Grand Canyon is riddled with caves, literally
hundreds, if not thousands of them, tucked into
the cliffs and hidden into the side of canyons.
Most visitors, most people on earth, will never
really glimpse one. And I think that invisibility
is exactly what gives birth to some of our things.
The canyons and caves aren't just isolation of
pockets of rock. They're entrances to a vast
underground network connecting the entire region.
And some even imagine these tunnels leading to
buried cities, ancient vaults, or lost civilizations.
And in many cases, I've seen where people, they
discovered tribes and different things that were
living in the bottom of the canyon. And I think
that's what's ultimately fascinating is regardless
of what the Smithsonian is going to tell us,
regardless of what our history is going to dictate.
There's a whole hell of a lot of history down
there that's worth discovering. And these are
the places that I always say, Jay, that instead
of shooting rockets off to moon, we should be
discovering this stuff, man, because it's super
fascinating. Actually tell us the details of
what's going on down there instead of hiding
it from us. Yeah. Part of me thinks that they
don't want us to know because again, we go back
to this Roth child official education. system
that the West kind of works under. And we have
a very regimented way history is taught. It's
very compartmentalized. Like the Egyptians were
here and that's where they stay. Like the Europeans
were there and that's where they stay. And Native
Americans were here and there wasn't a whole
lot of traversing the globe and intermixing of
cultures outside of in certain localized areas,
like in Asia, Europe. I do think there's evidence
to suggest that a lot of these more advanced
civilizations did travel far and wide, did have
prolonged and protracted. actions with cultures
that were thousands and thousands of miles away.
And I kind of want to circle back to even the
more modern day stories of giants. So I'm sure
you heard about this, but in Afghanistan, there
have been several purported stories of soldiers
coming across giants out in the battlefield.
It was one that was pretty popular. And if you
look at Afghanistan, it's super mountainous.
There's a ton of cave systems, not unlike the
Grand Canyon area. And there was one story where
I think it was a ranger team went up on patrol.
They never were heard from again. So they send
another, I don't know if it was a Marine squadron
or another special forces squadron to go track
them down. And as they get up this mountain,
they see the body parts of soldier gear and they
just know they're dead. So as they're approaching
the cave entrance, these guys said that they
saw like a 10 to 12 foot giant run out, throw
a spear, pail one of their buddies. And then
in turn, they opened up fire and decapitated
this giant. And when they reported it, a helicopter
came in. hooked it up to a cargo netting and
flew it out. And there are a handful of stories,
even in the modern era where people run across
these giants, a lot of tribes still in certain
parts of South Asian Island area where they claim
that giants still exist, but they live very remotely.
A lot of the theories are that most of these
giants live in cave systems and they come out
to eat. Nine times out of a hundred, these giants
are cannibals. They eat humans. They hunt as
a knight. I do think in the past, They were much
more numerous. They actually had their own societies.
I think a big part when you read the Bible, you
brought up the story of Moses and going into
the promised land. He sent out the spies to go
into Cana. And when they came back, I'm just
reading what you already said. They came back
and said, these people are huge. We're like grasshoppers
to them. And that's actually what set them back
out into the wilderness for 40 years, because
they doubted what God could do. But eventually
when they got back to the promised land, Joshua
took control. And I think a big part of the Israelites
conquering the. promised land wasn't necessarily
from other humans. It was from either giants
or the intermixing of giants and humans. And
again, these, this culture was not only cannibalistic,
they're very pagan. They're very evil. They sacrifice
their children. And that was Jews were God's
army to eradicate this giant culture from the
planet. It's interesting because if you look
at the stories in the nephephelium, they wore
cannibals and they did eat people, which is interesting
how it syncs up with that story that you're telling
us now. I don't know, man. It's funny because
when we look at the Smithsonian narrative, they
want to point to Bigfoot. We know Bigfoot's not
a real thing, but they want to point to Bigfoot
instead of pointing to nephephelium, which is
probably the better answer that we're seeing
there. Now, obviously that's not where all the
stories end. Have you heard about the UFO connection
to the Grand Canyon? Please tell me. The 1950s
brought a new kind of story, right? Lights over
the canyon, glowing orbs that hovered, darted,
and then vanished. In the Cold War moment, when
Roswell and Area 51 were already fueling the
people's imagination, the Grand Canyon became
another suspected UFO hotspot. One tell even
claims a researcher, Dr. Elizabeth Carter, led
an expedition into a cave where she documented
alien -like carvings. and picked up strange energy
readings. Now, to believers, this was confirmation,
not just ancient rituals, but alien contact.
And to skeptics, Carter herself may be legendary
as the carvings more myth than history. Now,
according to the legend, Carter's team didn't
just explore, they experienced. In the cavern,
they supposedly discovered text and artifacts
describing ways to expand the human consciousness,
awaken hidden powers, and even been physical
reality. The cave, they said, Now, was it a suggestion,
a hallucination, or the canyon itself amplifying
something dormant in the human mind? Don't know.
Whatever the case, the story paints the cave
that could unlock superhuman potential which
became part of the canyon lore. This is where
the story shifts from the strange to the cosmic.
Deeper still, Carter's team claimed to find a
machine and a possible device of gears, glowing
crystals, and humming energy. To her, she said
its function was to bend time itself. Inside
the cavern, time slowed, stretched, and, according
to her, looped. The researchers reported glimpses
of the past and then visions of the future. Some
even claimed hours outside past is only minutes
inside this cave. Now, whether fantasy or allegory,
the tale plays kind of into humanity's oldest
fascinations of controlling time itself. The
explorers, it's said, encountered an energy being,
a guardian of this canyon, who revealed to them
humanity's true sing - purpose, not just to survive,
but to evolve into a consciousness that contributes
to the cosmos itself. Every thought, every act,
it said, ripples outward into the universe. Now,
for Carter and her team, this encounter reshaped
everything they thought they knew about life,
destiny, and the Canyon's hidden role and ultimately
our human story. The legend ends with Carter
and her team keeping the Caverns' discoveries
top secret, guarding them until humanity was
ready to receive them. Whether Now, she or the
cavern ever existed is another matter. There's
no artifacts that I could find, no scientific
papers, no independently verified accounts. But
this story lives on and it's retold and remixed
and re -imagined, which I find super interesting
because we're seeing these lights, we're seeing
UFOs, going on a time that's fairly hotly contested
with Area 51 and people seeing these things out
there. And then you have this person who again
is unverified that goes into this and where once
again, it feels like we're talking about blue
beam or project invisibility, but we're talking
about time travel again. The first thing that
comes to mind when I hear that story. So two
things come to mind. First one is I do believe
that pre -flood there was advanced technology
that is completely different than today, but
ultimately very similar. It's just, it just looks
different in how it's presented visually and
what it's made of. Second one comes into mind
is whenever I hear of someone saying that our
purpose is to evolve into the cosmos. Again,
now we're not pointing to God and his purpose.
was for us but we're pointing to some sort of
cosmic elite or cosmic cabal. that says it's
time for us to evolve and ascend and join this
galactic federation. So that always raises a
red flag to me. And that just feels like a satanic
deception where it just drives me nuts, man.
It's whenever you hear someone say, and I talked
to an angel, an angel told me this is the true
interpretation of the Bible or I'm adding to
the message. My radar starts to ping and head
starts to catch on fire. But if there was a,
and there's been plenty of stories about them
finding some ancient technology in these caves,
just like in Antarctica. People say that there's
ancient technology that was found. We can't imagine
ancient technology that's found. I just think
if it was found, if it is there, it is stuff
that happened before God flooded the world. And
now we're, as we advance and as we grow more
numerous in population and as we're able to traverse
and explore the planets, we have a higher likelihood
of finding this stuff. And it all seems it's
interconnected. If you start drawing lines on
the chalkboard or putting string on a cork board,
everything kind of points back to this pre...
flood of world that existed and the technology
that we're starting to stumble across. We're
conflating that with aliens and not giving its
due respect as to what it actually was. Yeah.
It speaks a lot to me to deception. Deception
can be on a grand scale where you're talking
about like cosmic and all this kind of weird
witchcraft stuff, or it can be on a very small
scale. Did you hear about the preacher in Africa
that tried to convince the world that Jesus was
coming back on September? And thousands of people
gathered in this forest because they thought
Christ was coming back and that they were going
to be raptured only to find out the guy was full
of it. And when you talk about these preachers,
obviously he's a false prophet. He probably believes
in God, at least hopefully he believes in God
and Jesus. If you read the Bible, Jesus himself
said, nobody knows the day, time or hour. I think
he even said, I don't know the day, time or hour.
So clearly this preacher's not going to know
it. Only the father knows. So clearly if you're
reading your Bible, this guy's a false prophet,
but it's such a small scale deception because
he's preaching. He's talking about Jesus and
God, but he just, he twisted a little bit. And
I don't know if he was making money off of it
or what his case was for it. He said he actually
had a conversation with God and God told him,
but God would not rewrite his perfect word in
the Bible. And God doesn't lie. Exactly. God's
not going to tell you something that's wrong.
Exactly. So when we talk about these things,
to me, it's about deception. And then obviously
the devil's roaming the world like a prowling
lion and deception is his game. Lying is his
game and influence is his game. But sometimes.
we see political figures that want to deceive
you for their own ends and purposes. And now
there are a couple of things at the Grand Canyon
where the government would want to lead you away
from. So I think it's a good point to talk about
uranium mining. Uranium might sound just like
another dry mining term, but around the Grand
Canyon, it became one of the most potent lightning
rods of controversy. The uranium conspiracy isn't
total fantasy. There's a legitimate mining history
there. Real political friction and genuine concerns
about ground... water and sacred sites. Here's
what I found out. The Grand Canyon has had a
mine within its own borders, which was called
the Orphan Mine, located on the south rim between
the Maricopa Point and the Hermit Road. The claim
was originally patented in 1906 by a guy named
Daniel Hogan. In the early to mid 20th century,
miners worked the site selectively for copper
and other materials. By 1951, geologists discovered
significant uranium deposits in the same zone.
By 1956, uranium production began in earnest
in the orphan point. Over the years of active
operation until about 1969, estimates suggest
the mine produced on the order of about half
a million tons of ore, yielding about four and
a half million pounds of uranium oxide. Even
though the mine's head frame is gone now, many
structures have been removed. Detamination remains
in the soils and below the surface. And NPS has
done remedial cleanup and cited investigations.
I think the last one was in 2016. 2016 to understand
the residual radiation and metals in the soil.
That's a big thing. And as part of the whole
atom bomb, so I could see why the government
would want to steer people away from this site
because there's a whole lot of materials that
people really shouldn't be getting their hands
on. And then we talk about the Roosevelt connection
to the cannon. Teddy Roosevelt visited the Grand
Canyon in 1903, right before it became a national
park. At that time, mining, ranching, logging
interests were really carved in to the canyon's
resources, and there was little regulation to
really stop those people. Roosevelt, already
known as a passionate naturalist and conservatist,
was struck by the canyon's scale and majesty.
He just loved this place. He called it one of
the greatest sites every American should see
before they die. During that trip, he gave a
famous speech at the South Rim, where he urged
Americans to preserve the canyon in its natural
state. His words were pretty powerful. Leave
it as it is, you cannot approve upon. it. They
just have been at work on it and men can only
mess it up. That sentiment became one of the
most quoted lines in American history. At that
time of Roosevelt's visit, the Grand Canyon was
not yet a national park. The movement to protect
it was very controversial and powerful business
interests wanted access to the minerals and timber
that were there. But ultimately, Roosevelt got
his way and in 1906, he signed the Antiquities
Act, which gave presidents the authority to designate
national monuments. And by 1908, using the power
of his presidency, Roosevelt proclaimed the Grand
Canyon a national monument and pretty much protected
the entire thing. And I think this was the kind
of the turning point where although yet wasn't
a national park, Roosevelt's action effectively
put the canyon off limits to all commercial business.
So we see it right around this time when discoveries
are happened that everybody's vying in for control.
Everybody wants to mine it. They want to find
these valuable resources. Some of them are very
dangerous. And the president who is a naturalist
doesn't want anybody there. He wants to preserve
it, which I find a little bit interesting. Now,
why did he want to preserve? I don't know if
he was a man of pure beauty. Mike had never really
trusted presidents that we have set in an office.
Maybe perhaps he had alternative motives, but
there was a lot of power struggles going on during
this time of Kincaid's exploration. during the
presidency, during the businesses, during the
mining operations, that kind of throw history
into a scatter during those moments. It definitely
is interesting. I tend to lean to the side of
that there's definitely something down there.
There's plenty of national parks that are enormous.
You're allowed to walk through them all you want.
There's really no restrictions to where you can
and can't go. You might have park rangers that
give you crap and say you can't go there, but
there's not a lot of park rangers in some of
these areas. They're so vast. For there to be
so many stories about people going off the beaten
path and then being confronted by somebody to
say you have to turn back or that they're being
observed from overhead. It's just weird that
you would block off 90 % of a park. There's so
many people out there that are just adventurous
and they're outdoorsmen and they just like to
explore and just to be restricted like that.
And I get it. It's a canyon that's 6 ,000 feet
deep at some points and it's super dangerous
and prone to flash flooding, but when has it
ever stopped anyone? And why is it so restricted?
It's not like it's a military base. Where is
it? I don't know. Maybe there's an underground
military base. But to me, it's something there
that doesn't line up with the mainstream history
narrative. And I'm inclined to believe, and I
do believe that there are definitely giants at
some point in our history. I think they were
pretty numerous. It's also interesting that a
lot of the Native Americans share a lot of tight
tenets, like allegory with the Egyptian culture.
And you can see the pyramids in Egypt and you
can see that they're a little bit different,
but they're pyramids in the United States, maybe
not in the same form that they are. are in Egypt,
but you see them in South America or like their
step pyramids. It just points back to me that
there was once a worldwide civilization that
had very similar architecture styles. They varied
because I think again, pre -flood, there were
a lot of people, a lot of giants, a lot of plays
on how architecture should manifest. Just a lot
of cultures in general, even though I think everybody
shared the same language. I think it's fascinating
how everything interweaves together. But then
the modern historical narrative is that somehow
this all came up individually by itself. Each
culture did these things without influence from
any other culture. And it's just interesting
that even these native American tribes have these
stories about the star people, the ant people,
like the Hopi have a myth about a great cataclysm
and these quote unquote ant people ushered them
underground to escape this cataclysm. And a lot
of them have these serpent rituals. A lot of
them have the same symbolism with the snake eating
its own tail. What are the odds, man? Like you're
separated by a massive ocean. thousands and thousands
of miles of land. And you have the same motif
being shared amongst just about every culture.
You can even look at the Asian culture and draw
inferences to the dragon, the snake, the phoenix.
It's just wild, man. And I don't think it's not
a big logical jump to suggest that at one point
we all shared the same basic culture, same basic
language, the same basic technology, but it just
manifests in different ways. Just like if you
go to Asia, like the architecture is different.
than it is here in the Western world, but it's
still similar. Just the artistic presentation
of it is different. I think a lot about the time
when we were kids visiting Mexico and we went
to the Mayan pyramid and me and mom hiked up
to the top of Chichinichu, if I'm saying that
name correctly. I think mom would probably tell
the story way better than I can because I think
she was like kicking your ankle because you'd
hurt your, you sprained your ankle or something
the night before. You couldn't hike up to the
top of it. Lucky for me, I didn't because...
I don't think you can actually climb that pyramid
anymore, but it makes me think about it because
the Mayans existed just south of Arizona where
the Grand Canyon is located. One of the most
powerful kind of native tribes within that region.
And it just collapsed immediately. We knew that
it spread across South America, across Mexico,
likely into some parts of North America as well.
And nobody knows why this civilization of millions
upon millions of people just completely disappeared,
but they knew there was some type of weird upheaval.
that occurred as well. But just bring it back
to one of your points is I can almost understand
where the government's, we don't want you to
go hiking down there. Cause we don't have to
come rescue you like climbing down, why it's
off limits. I get some of that because rescue
operations are expensive. And if you get lost,
people are going to feel obligated to get you.
So I get that little kind of micro thing of it,
but why can't people fly over the grand Canyon?
I find that one of the most fascinating things.
So I did a little bit of research of this and
the Canyon is covered by a patchwork. of special
flight roles, areas and zones where planes and
helicopters have to follow strict routes, altitudes
and timings. But the reasons for these roles
are neither what they say exotic or unique. They
just come down to two things, safety and sound,
which sounds ridiculous to me. They're saying
airplanes are going to cause too much noise over
the Grand Canyon and safety. They point back
to a story in 1956. At that time, obviously the
air traffic control was primitive compared to
what we have today. Two commercial planes. The
TWA Super Constellation and a United DC -7 were
both flying cross -country when they collided
directly over the Grand Canyon. All 120 people
on board were tragically killed. It was at this
time the deadliest airline disaster in U .S.
history. The wreckage still rests in remote corners
of the canyon. They say the crash was the turning
point. Public outrage pushed Congress to overhaul
the entire air traffic control system, and out
of the tragedy grew the modern FAA and the national
system of regulated skies we take for granted
today. So when you hear about no fly zones over
Grand Canyon, what you're really hearing about
is the regulations which were written to prevent
another disaster. But we do have a very sophisticated
FAA today. And those regulations still exist
today where there are no fly zones over the Grand
Canyon. Now to me, that's don't fly over the
Pacific because you might crash into the water
or don't fly into DC because a helicopter and
airplane collided together. It doesn't make a
whole hell of a lot of sense to me. I think it
adds a little bit of conspiracy to this story.
Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me,
man. That almost seems like a really crappy excuse
just not to have somebody fly over. You look
at the airports, like you have dozens of planes
flying within hundreds of meters of one another,
taking off, landing, taking off, landing. You're
going to restrict an area just over the ground.
Why don't you just restrict all the airspace
all over? over the whole world at that point.
That seems like a pretty crappy excuse to, and
unbelievable at that. Planes crash in the Alps.
They crash in the forest of the freaking Amazon.
You're never going to get that stuff. You're
never going to recover that, but just sporadically,
let's just pick the Grand Canyon. I think it's
just because they don't want people taking pictures,
man. I think there's, I have my opinion what
I think it is and we'll get to that, but that's
like saying you can't have your car key to drive
your car. You can just look at it in the driveway.
It's super weird. Like you can't fly over it.
You can't walk where you want to walk. You can
walk where we tell you to walk. I just find the
whole thing strange. What it is ultimately, I
have my opinions, but. It's strange. They don't
even let you fly drones. The drones are, what,
a foot by foot? If you're lucky, you can't fly
a drone through the Grand Canyon. Why is that?
Are you afraid it's going to crash into a helicopter
or a jet plane? There's something they don't
want you to see. Let's just give them the benefit
of the doubt and say, we don't want you down
there because it's too dangerous. We don't have
to come rescue you. Fine. I want to fly my drone
that maybe has, I don't know, let's just get
an advanced drone that you or I could buy for
10 grand and maybe it's... the size of a, I don't
know, half the size of a car, a couple hundred
pounds. Let me fly it a hundred miles in. Why
can't I do that and take pictures? There's just,
there's something there that I don't want you
to see. And that's the only thing I can come
up with. Exactly. And when it comes to the Grand
Canyon, it does have a darker known history as
well. And it involves a lot of people vanishing
there. Disappearance in the canyon, in my opinion,
and what I read about are very real. Every year,
visitors underestimate the terrain, the heat,
the power of the river. Some cases have been
solved with tragic endings and kind of others
remain mysteries. Two of the most famous examples
that I could find that kind of book in nearly
a century of speculation. And here's the first
one. In 1928, newlyweds Glenn and Bessie Hyde
set off down the Colorado River on their honeymoon
adventure. Their boat was found floating intact.
All their supplies that they brought with them
were still on board, but Glenn and Bessie were
gone. And to this date? Their fate remains one
of the canyon's most enduring mysteries because
boat was completely fine. They must've gotten
off or gotten taken, but they were simply gone.
Then we fast forward to 2015. Morgan Heimer,
which is a young river guide at that time, was
last seen near Pumpkin Springs during a commercial
rafting trip. And he once again vanished. An
intensive search with helicopters, ground crews
and river teams found absolutely nothing. And
his case still remains open. Stories like these
really feed the work of David David Polideads,
which is a former police officer turned into
an author and filmmaker, created the Missing
411 series. I'm not sure if you heard about it,
which argues that disappearance in the national
parks across North America from these kind of
disturbing patterns. David highlights strange
circumstances, people vanishing within minutes,
bodies found in hard to reach places or these
cases with eerie similarities. To his audience,
the Grand Canyon became one of the very many
hotspots of unexplained vanishing. But critics
point out the problems. David rarely provides
full case details and often leads out very important
facts about the law enforcement's kind of search
and rescue teams that they put on record. But
to me, there's a whole hell of a lot of people
that has disappeared in the Grand Canyon. And
to me, that kind of just adds to the conspiracy.
And sometimes I wonder if you're going down a
river and you see a cave, and if what they say
is true, these cave networks are large and vast,
you have to be pretty intrepid to be going down.
on a raft in the middle of Grand Canyon. My assumption
is that you have this high need to know, high
need to explore. And sometimes I wonder, hey,
if you or I are rafting down the Grand Canyon,
we see a cave after all the podcasts we've done,
I'd want to go in and look. I'd want to explore.
And if there's this huge vast network of caves,
if you get more than a hundred feet or a couple
hundred yards in there, you may take a wrong
turn and never find your way out. Especially
if you're not leaving some sort of trail behind
you. And who knows what's in those caves? Could
there be wild animals? Could there be methane
gas pockets that you just go in there and you
just, you die from CO2 poisoning. Could there
be, still think there was giants. I just think,
I don't think it was a ton of them, but they
live underground. Who knows what's in there.
It's scary to think about and it makes you not
want to go into a cave. That's for sure. But
I tend to think that some of these missing cases
are, the Grand Canyon is prone to flash floods
and they happen very quickly. That region is
fairly arid. And when it rains. the water going,
it's going to find the lowest level to go to.
So as it's coming over the cliffs, as it's pulling
up in the water, I could see how you could get
caught up in a mean rapid and get tossed overboard
and sucked down, down the river. Some of these
I think are pretty explainable, though weird,
but I think if you think of it logically, there's
a lot of. just mundane things, not mundane, but
a lot of easy explanations that account for some
of these missing people. And I think going into
a cave is probably the likely outcome of some
of these cases and they just can't find a way
out. It reminds me of, I don't know if you ever
went to it, the mammoth caves, which I think
is in Kentucky, if I remember correctly. Yeah.
And in my early twenties, I did some spelunking
there. You could go on adventures and go explore
around, which was very exciting. But the further,
and they tell you that a lot of these caverns
Like you can find a vein that nobody's ever discovered
before because the pathways are fast and just
unknown, at least at that time. And the further
I would go down there, the wetter would obviously
get then at times their sections of the cave
would be flooded. So you'd have to find an alternative
pathway. And the further I got down, man, my
anxiety would just kick off and the walls would
get very thin on if you ever been in those caves
where like you have to like shimmy through in
order to get to the portals. I don't know how
people do it. Cause I would go down there for
40. minutes and I'm like, I'm ready to go back
up to the top. I'm tired of squeezing through
these rocks and getting claustrophobia. Dude,
I probably couldn't fit in half the holes, man.
I'd be like, yo, yeah, that's all you big dog.
I'm not trying to squeeze through that. The only
way you can see is with a headlamp, but it's,
I'm like thinking of bugs and bats and everything
else that could be crawling around there. Yeah,
dude. I like exploring, but I like to be able
to move. Exactly. Dude, I got to ask, what do
you make of this? What do you make of the Grand
Canyon? What do you think it is? It's an interesting
theory. I think when we stand at the edge of
the Grand Canyon, we're ultimately looking at
more than just layers of stone. I think we're
looking at a witness to history. And for many
Christians, myself included, that history is
not millions of years of slow erosion, but the
story told in Genesis, the account of Noah's
flood. Scripture records a global cataclysmic
event, which all the fountains of the great deep
-verse forest, waters cover the earth, reshaping
the land in ways both dramatic and permanent.
I think to believers, the Grand Canyon is one
of the clearest testimonies to that event. Its
sheer wall displays miles of stacked stone, which
is sandstone, shale, limestone, laid down quickly
by floodwaters that swept across all these continents.
You know, what the things they found down there
are marine fossils high on the canyon. walls,
which to me points to a time when the ocean covered
the now dry Arizona desert and the canyon itself
rather being carved slowly by the Colorado river
over millions of years. It's my belief it was
cut rapidly as the flood waters receded. Imagine
the unimaginable force of water draining off
the continent, rushing, escouring, slicing through
the rocks. In that light, the Grand Canyon is
not just a symbol of deep time, but of judgment.
and also of God's power and mercy. For the flood
narrative ends not in destruction, but in the
covenant, the rainbow, the promise, and such
judgments would never come again by way of water.
I think looking through that biblical lens, it
changes the canyon from this geological curiosity
to a spiritual monument. It tells us that the
Bible's history is reliable and that God's word
explains the world we see today. And that canyon
is not just a wonder of nature, but a reminder
of God's sovereignty over creation and human
- in history. Now, I think from a conspiracy
standpoint, I'm of the opinion that there's probably
some nephephelium activity that occurred there
is occurring there or had occurred there. And
it explains some of these artifacts. I think
the Smithsonian is unreliable. And I think they're
not telling us all the details that were uncovered.
And instead of telling us facts, I think they're
burying them under their own particular lens
of the story that they want to tell, which is
ultimately. evolution and the big bang theory
and all these different things that they want
to lead you astray and lead you to believe. I
buy into this one a little bit. Don't buy into
the UFO thing. I think that's a little bit hokey
for me, but I do buy into the spiritual lens.
And I wonder, and I love the opinion right now
that it's one of the greatest artifacts where
we can point to that says God created this world.
And we have a lot of interesting facts that can
point to that, whether it be the fall of man,
the fall of angels or the nephephelium. Because
if you look at the Grand Canyon, why are things
of the sea being discovered in the walls? It
just doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense.
why that would be there unless you follow the
creation narrative. And as we went through it,
and as you recounted, these tribes are talking
about star people. They're talking about things
they didn't quite understand. Perhaps they didn't
get the word of God before they started to encounter
it, but they're also talking about nephephelium.
And so I think it's, and again, I look through
the world through a biblical lens, but I buy
into some of these details. Yeah, man. I agree
with you. I think a lot of people conflate alien
technology with fallen angel technology. That
was... given to us pre -flood. They are not the
same. They're different in definition and in
theory. I do believe that the Grand Canyon was
carved out in a matter of days due to God's judgment.
I don't think it took millions of years to do
that. I actually watched an interesting documentary
on Amazon and there's plenty of geological evidence
to suggest that it happened in a matter of days,
weeks, and not in the matter of millennia. I'm
under the Impression. I'm just shooting from
the hip here. I wonder, and this is just a part
of my brain looking at it through, like you say,
a biblical lens. I wonder at some point if the
Nephilim and the fallen angels knew that the
judgment was coming. I don't see how they wouldn't
have known. I think there was plenty of apocryphal
evidence through the book of Enoch that they
knew that they were going to be judged and they
knew that they were going to be wiped off the
planet. If you ever get a chance to read the
book of Enoch, it's fascinating in my opinion.
a pseudo -historical document, and they asked
Enoch to talk to God and ask them to spare judgment
and forgive them. And Enoch said, yeah, I'll
go ask. And essentially God said no. It's like,
you try to corrupt my creation. Tried to, and
as you, all the Bible is foreshadowing to Jesus
Christ, God's ultimate plan for forgiveness for
the original sin. And I think Lucifer and the
angels wanted to, they hate us so much. that
they wanted to pollute our gene pool so that
Christ could never be born. Not that I think
they knew it, but I think they just hated God
and God's creation so much that they just didn't
want it to exist. So they came up with this plan
to essentially make it their own by injecting
their own DNA or genetic code or whatever they
have into us. And God's like, nah, you think
you're doing something wise and you think you're
doing something sneaky, you don't even know the
plan. So part of me thinks that And I've said
this before on the show, and I do believe this.
And again, it's not a matter of salvation. I
do think that when the flood happened, it talks
about the waters and the deep bursting forth.
I do think the earth expanded. I don't think
we had these massive oceans. I don't think we
had the Pacific. I don't think we had the Atlantic.
I think the earth was much smaller in circumference.
And I am under the belief, and I could have my
opinion changed, that most of what the earth
was landmass with lakes and rivers and all that.
But you didn't have these vast oceans. So people
could traverse the earth much quickly because
it wasn't as large as it is now, at least in
terms of its diameter and radius. But as the
flood happened, it split apart, it grew larger,
and that's where a bunch of these oceans came
from. That's why I think that there's a lot of
similar archaeology, a lot of similar stories
and technology. But a part of me wonders in them.
I know I'm being a bit long winded here, is if,
I wonder if the Nephilim and the fallen angels
thought they built underground cities that somehow
they could ride out the flood. And I think it's
interesting how the Grand Canyon was carved out
so quickly. And I think it exposed parts of these
underground cities that have these ancient ruins,
these mummies, a lot of this proposed ancient
technology. And God was like, Nope, gonna carve
this out. Here's your stupid city. You guys are
all dead. Now here's a testament to what you
guys did and to what I can't do. There's nothing
you can do to override my grand plan to save
the human race through my son. So I wonder if,
I don't think, and I think as time progressed,
people found these caves. Heck, people may have
even deposited some of their artifacts from the
different parts of the world into them. And I
wonder if that's what we're seeing. It reminds
me is we're all trying to be kingmakers. And
what I think the ultimate story of good versus
evil is that we're trying to overcome God by
replacing him by being our own versions of God
and controlling the narrative and controlling
creation and controlling building. And we can
never, you can never do that. Like it's the greatest
lie on earth. as wise as they said the nephephyllium
war because they brought down forbidden knowledge
from heaven and led people astray, but they had
advanced technology. But as wise as they were,
they can't hide from God. And it's a good point.
Perhaps they were building these underground
cities and they were trying to find a way to
seal it off and protect himself from the floodwaters.
Maybe, maybe. But they saw what making kings
were. They failed. And if they're still around
today, don't know. I know the devil's prowling,
but I don't know if these particular breeders
are around. They will learn it again. in the
long run. But what do you want to leave our audience
with today? Man, same thing I do every week.
I don't think that will ever change. Maybe it
will. Jesus loves you. We love you. I love you,
brother. And the most important thing, man, is
study the Word of God. Ask for wisdom and discernment.
I think if you look at history enough, you'll
see so many puzzle pieces that fit together,
and it points back to a lot of the stuff that
we see today. A lot of the congruencies between
cultures, they all kind of point back to one
that existed pre -flood. And I'm just going to
say, I know it existed pre -flood when Noah and
his family got off the ark. They obviously knew
the histories. They obviously knew the stories,
though Noah may have carried the flag to what
we are today. I think his sons and their wives.
fell back into the old ways and took up the old
cultures and spread the old stories. And that
really just re -expanded back all over the world.
And I think a lot of the stuff that we see with
the Egyptians, I think that was the pyramids
with some of the markings on the walls, some
of that technology that I think exists. I think
a lot of that was just a reinterpretation or
a people just taking on that guise because that's
what they knew and that's what they started to
present themselves with again. I think in closing,
it reminds me of a story. They say the devil
wept when Jesus was crucified. Not because he
cared about Jesus, because quite frankly, he
probably didn't because he knew he was doomed.
Have discernment, question everything and have
understanding. Everything that the government's
telling you, everything that museums are telling
you, the narrative that they are feeding you
ain't always accurate. So lead with discernment.
Until next time, like, subscribe, follow, reach
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Zero Signal. I just want to say one thing. I
think when Jesus was crucified, the devil thought
he won. I think the devil wept when Jesus came
back to life because I don't think they were
expecting that. I think that was when they knew
they were screwed, bro. That's when they knew.
They thought they won. Then Jesus came back and
they're like, I had no idea. But anyway, with
that said, you guys have a great night. We've
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