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Today we dive into the chilling saga 00:01:31.109 --> 00:01:33.370 of the Zizians. a fringe group born in the heart 00:01:33.370 --> 00:01:35.829 of Silicon Valley's rationalist scene, now linked 00:01:35.829 --> 00:01:38.250 to six violent deaths and labeled a death cult 00:01:38.250 --> 00:01:40.709 by authorities. Led by trans software engineer 00:01:40.709 --> 00:01:44.390 Jack Lasota, aka Ziz, this small network of AI 00:01:44.390 --> 00:01:47.150 -doomers, vegan absolutionists, and anarchists 00:01:47.150 --> 00:01:49.750 has sparked national intrigue and wild conspiracies. 00:01:50.010 --> 00:01:52.250 Are they a dangerous cult radicalizing vulnerable 00:01:52.250 --> 00:01:54.989 minds or a misunderstood band of idealists fighting 00:01:54.989 --> 00:01:57.510 capitalism and the AI apocalypse? From bizarre 00:01:57.510 --> 00:02:00.390 gender theories to alleged murders, we'll explore 00:02:00.390 --> 00:02:03.209 the Zizian's origins Leafs in the dark turn that 00:02:03.209 --> 00:02:05.769 landed them in federal crosshairs buckle up This 00:02:05.769 --> 00:02:07.829 is gonna be a wild ride through tech ideology 00:02:07.829 --> 00:02:10.770 and extremism. So Dave with your former law enforcement 00:02:10.770 --> 00:02:12.689 background being a detective. What do you make 00:02:12.689 --> 00:02:15.280 of this? That's a great question. From a law 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:17.439 enforcement perspective, while there's no formal 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:19.900 legal definition of a cult, the Zizians display 00:02:19.900 --> 00:02:22.060 nearly every hallmark investigators look for. 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:26.680 Really at the center is Jack Ziz -Lasota, a figure 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:29.759 whose writings and presence shaped the group's 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:32.680 ideology, making her kind of the de facto leader, 00:02:32.780 --> 00:02:36.199 even if she denied the title. Really, the ideology 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.060 itself was totalizing, meaning that it's demanding 00:02:39.060 --> 00:02:42.039 that members reorder their lives around radical 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:45.710 veganism. debucketing, and loyalty prove their 00:02:45.710 --> 00:02:48.389 suffering and self experimentation. You know, 00:02:48.469 --> 00:02:50.530 what I think is members were really pressured 00:02:50.530 --> 00:02:53.969 to sever ties with family, live nomadically in 00:02:53.969 --> 00:02:57.129 trucks and boats and adopt practices like sleep 00:02:57.129 --> 00:03:00.150 deprivation, which law enforcement were recognized 00:03:00.150 --> 00:03:04.370 as classic isolation or coercion tactics. The 00:03:04.370 --> 00:03:06.669 rhetoric really divided the world into the good 00:03:06.669 --> 00:03:09.110 and what they called the non -good, really given 00:03:09.110 --> 00:03:12.430 moral permission to punish dissent. and remove 00:03:12.430 --> 00:03:15.610 destruction, a pattern that really what investigators 00:03:15.610 --> 00:03:19.150 would classify and link directly to violent conversations 00:03:19.150 --> 00:03:22.189 with landlords, parents, and police. But I think 00:03:22.189 --> 00:03:24.830 most importantly, the group's beliefs appear 00:03:24.830 --> 00:03:27.689 to have translated into action the sword attack 00:03:27.689 --> 00:03:31.789 and later murder of landlord Curtis Lin in California, 00:03:32.009 --> 00:03:34.509 the border patrol shootout in Vermont tied to 00:03:34.509 --> 00:03:36.770 guns purchased by an insider, and really that 00:03:36.909 --> 00:03:39.469 execution -style killing of Richard and Rita, 00:03:39.629 --> 00:03:42.030 Zegato in Pennsylvania, where their daughter 00:03:42.030 --> 00:03:44.770 Michelle is a person of interest. I think when 00:03:44.770 --> 00:03:47.710 we take that together, these factors, the leadership, 00:03:47.969 --> 00:03:50.750 the ideology, the isolation, control through 00:03:50.750 --> 00:03:52.849 suffering, rhetoric, and punishment, and a trial 00:03:52.849 --> 00:03:55.310 of crimes consistent with their worldview, make 00:03:55.310 --> 00:03:58.129 the Zizzians highly credible as a cult -like 00:03:58.129 --> 00:04:00.729 organization in the eyes of law enforcement. 00:04:00.909 --> 00:04:03.430 But I think more importantly, as we dig into 00:04:03.430 --> 00:04:05.469 the cult, I think we need to talk about their 00:04:05.469 --> 00:04:09.129 ideology. Right. Have you heard about the AI 00:04:09.129 --> 00:04:11.830 kind of risk and decision theory that kind of 00:04:11.830 --> 00:04:13.949 turned into those commands? Yeah, I think we'll 00:04:13.949 --> 00:04:16.250 touch on that here in a bit. But the things that 00:04:16.250 --> 00:04:18.689 kind of stood out to me, which I find a little 00:04:18.689 --> 00:04:21.769 bit bizarre, is that some of their tenants, you 00:04:21.769 --> 00:04:25.129 know, I have seen some of his writings about 00:04:25.129 --> 00:04:28.529 his philosophy. These people are all techies. 00:04:28.750 --> 00:04:31.170 I think they isolated themselves to begin with. 00:04:31.269 --> 00:04:33.990 They proclaim veganism and they claim to be a 00:04:33.990 --> 00:04:36.490 AI death call thinking that they're serving an 00:04:36.490 --> 00:04:39.949 AI God and this AI God eventually when it takes 00:04:39.949 --> 00:04:42.730 over is going to only keep the people around 00:04:42.730 --> 00:04:46.490 that. serve justice and they have a interesting 00:04:46.490 --> 00:04:49.769 concept of what justice is. And one of Jack's 00:04:49.769 --> 00:04:52.230 writings, he proclaims that you have to feed 00:04:52.230 --> 00:04:54.889 good justice to justice and whatever's left over 00:04:54.889 --> 00:04:57.970 is nothing. It sounds like there's some satanic 00:04:57.970 --> 00:05:00.569 type undertones and they justify some of the 00:05:00.569 --> 00:05:03.389 murders because they don't agree with capitalism. 00:05:03.589 --> 00:05:06.110 They justify it by saying, if you're being oppressed, 00:05:06.129 --> 00:05:09.129 you can justify violence, which is points back 00:05:09.129 --> 00:05:12.589 to Aleister Crowley's do what thou will. So essentially. 00:05:12.589 --> 00:05:15.750 There's no moral exclusion for you to do whatever 00:05:15.750 --> 00:05:17.550 you want, take whatever you want, murder whoever 00:05:17.550 --> 00:05:20.129 you want. And there's some sort of, we see it 00:05:20.129 --> 00:05:23.279 in. Star Wars. So they claim to be Sith Lords. 00:05:23.660 --> 00:05:26.160 They essentially take what they want and there's 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:27.939 really no empathy or remorse for them. I actually 00:05:27.939 --> 00:05:29.759 think that's funny because I'm not a big Star 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:31.920 Wars fan. I knew we grew up watching it, but 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:33.699 that's actually what the name comes from. Is 00:05:33.699 --> 00:05:36.139 it like the Zith Lord or something? It's one 00:05:36.139 --> 00:05:38.319 of the newer Stark Lord. I haven't heard of that 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:40.939 before, but I guess that's where she earned her 00:05:40.939 --> 00:05:43.339 nickname. What I think about is the foundational 00:05:43.339 --> 00:05:46.040 theory. So they lean a lot on what they call 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.319 rationalism. Rationalism here doesn't really 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:51.360 mean just thinking logically. It refers to a 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:54.300 specific online community that coalesced around 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:57.199 a blog called Less Wrong. The blog's founder, 00:05:57.459 --> 00:06:00.670 if I'm saying this name correctly, Elzer... Yudekasi 00:06:00.670 --> 00:06:04.089 was a self -taught AI researcher, became obsessed 00:06:04.089 --> 00:06:06.790 with how humans think and how we get things wrong 00:06:06.790 --> 00:06:09.209 and how we can do better. The rationalist community 00:06:09.209 --> 00:06:12.029 grew up around three big themes, what they call 00:06:12.029 --> 00:06:14.310 Bayism, if I'm saying that name correctly, I'm 00:06:14.310 --> 00:06:17.290 horrible at names, but Bayism thinking, training 00:06:17.290 --> 00:06:19.250 yourself to update your beliefs based on evidence 00:06:19.250 --> 00:06:22.689 and probability, instead of clinging on to institution 00:06:22.689 --> 00:06:26.069 and tradition. Cognitive bias, identifying the 00:06:26.069 --> 00:06:28.889 mental shortcuts that make us irrational, like 00:06:28.939 --> 00:06:32.800 confirmation bias or sunk cost fallacy and existential 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.459 risk, especially with AI, the ideal that biggest 00:06:35.459 --> 00:06:38.399 danger to humanity isn't work climate, but accidentally 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:40.160 creating a machine intelligence that doesn't 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.620 care about us. The culture, in my opinion, was 00:06:42.620 --> 00:06:45.300 nerdy and math heavy and very online. Like it 00:06:45.300 --> 00:06:47.040 wasn't your thing where they're going around 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:48.680 your neighborhood and recruiting you. It was 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:51.420 done through online forums and through read it 00:06:51.420 --> 00:06:54.980 where members argued endlessly about game theory 00:06:54.980 --> 00:06:57.360 and quantum physics and decision theory. They 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:59.240 eventually met up and person to, especially in 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:01.480 the Bay area, where I've spent a lot of time 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:03.680 when I was working for Amazon, where the culture 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.600 is really ingrained, where you have these critical 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:09.120 mass of techies and programmers and idealists. 00:07:09.379 --> 00:07:12.040 To many, rationalism was like a self -improvement 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:14.920 project mixed with sci -fi futurism. But it wasn't 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:17.579 just abstract. The rationalists believed that 00:07:17.579 --> 00:07:21.439 how you think could literally save or doom the 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:23.879 world. And then we get into that effective altruism, 00:07:23.980 --> 00:07:27.399 doing the most good. And EA started in the early... 00:07:28.069 --> 00:07:30.670 2010s, led by a philosopher named Peter Singer, 00:07:31.149 --> 00:07:33.810 Will Mcgeton, Toby Ord. The core ideal is simple. 00:07:33.949 --> 00:07:36.310 If you want to do good, do it effectively. That 00:07:36.310 --> 00:07:38.790 means not just like donating to whatever cause 00:07:38.790 --> 00:07:41.269 tugs at your heartstrings, but asking hard questions 00:07:41.269 --> 00:07:44.290 like where will my dollar save the most lives? 00:07:44.689 --> 00:07:46.829 Early EA really focused on global health and 00:07:46.829 --> 00:07:49.850 poverty groups like give analyze charity and 00:07:49.850 --> 00:07:52.250 found that mosquito nets to fight malaria in 00:07:52.250 --> 00:07:54.449 the jungles of the Amazon and such, where one 00:07:54.449 --> 00:07:56.730 of the most cost -effective ways they found to 00:07:56.730 --> 00:07:59.009 save lives. It sounds good in theory. So the 00:07:59.009 --> 00:08:01.170 EA's pledge to give a percentage of their income 00:08:01.170 --> 00:08:03.680 to those causes, but over time, EA expects banded 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.379 into what they called long terrorism, the ideal 00:08:06.379 --> 00:08:09.240 that the future of humanity, maybe even billions 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.819 of years in the future lives matter more than 00:08:11.819 --> 00:08:13.379 anything that's happening in our world right 00:08:13.379 --> 00:08:16.480 now that led them into this areas like AI safety, 00:08:16.779 --> 00:08:20.339 biosecurity, and space colonization. If rationalists 00:08:20.339 --> 00:08:22.699 were theorists, Gays were the activists, and 00:08:22.699 --> 00:08:25.560 the rationalists argued about the math. EA set 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:27.800 up the nonprofits and the funding streams. The 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:29.759 two communities overlapped heavily. Lots of the 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:32.039 same people in the same online forums, even in 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:33.740 the same meetups in San Francisco, Berkeley, 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:35.879 and Oxford, but they had that shared culture. 00:08:36.100 --> 00:08:38.799 Both movements had the distinct cultural intellectually 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.799 intensive reading blog posts at length of small 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.159 books and arguing owls for these problems and 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:47.059 simulation theories. And then you see the kind 00:08:47.059 --> 00:08:50.279 of the tech orientation and the ethics around 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.750 it. And then you start to get these meetups and 00:08:52.750 --> 00:08:54.950 shared houses and conferences within the Bay 00:08:54.950 --> 00:08:57.269 Area, what they called community hubs. I think 00:08:57.269 --> 00:09:00.929 to an outsider, it could feel like a mix of graduate 00:09:00.929 --> 00:09:04.009 seminar, science fiction, perhaps like a Silicon 00:09:04.009 --> 00:09:06.990 Valley incubator. But I think to the insiders, 00:09:07.190 --> 00:09:09.549 it felt like the only place where people were 00:09:09.549 --> 00:09:11.789 really taking the fate of the world seriously. 00:09:11.870 --> 00:09:13.669 And that's where they got their ground roots. 00:09:13.710 --> 00:09:15.830 That was their grassroots during that time. And 00:09:15.830 --> 00:09:18.210 that's kind of like where their baseline ideology 00:09:18.210 --> 00:09:21.860 started. Some good, some weird, some bad, but 00:09:21.860 --> 00:09:24.539 then it started changing and getting funky. Yeah. 00:09:24.659 --> 00:09:28.200 I know Jack was, he was obsessed with the singularity 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.519 and define what that is. It's just the proposed 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.279 future event in which technological growth accelerates 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.820 beyond human control. So to put that in my words, 00:09:36.820 --> 00:09:40.259 I see that as the ghost in the machine becoming 00:09:40.259 --> 00:09:44.919 self -aware and he was concerned about the unpredictable 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:48.200 changes in human civilization. So he deified 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:52.120 AI. in terms of eventually deciding who will 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:54.679 live and who will die. So they were obsessed 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:59.200 with being able to serve. this singularity, AKA 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:03.600 little G AI God in order to get rid of whatever 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.840 the AI deity deemed as useless eaters or people 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.179 that weren't serving the greater good, which 00:10:10.179 --> 00:10:13.100 in my mind is who gets to decide that man. God 00:10:13.100 --> 00:10:15.240 put us on this earth for a reason. We all have 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:17.679 our purpose. We all have our hopes and dreams 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:19.720 and we're all here to serve Jesus. We're not 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:22.120 here to serve an AI God and to listen to what 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.889 that thing. decides what is best for us. What's 00:10:24.889 --> 00:10:26.830 funny is when you look at the rational movement, 00:10:27.110 --> 00:10:29.450 a lot of their ideology is to defend against 00:10:29.450 --> 00:10:32.090 AI. They start out as defending against AI is 00:10:32.090 --> 00:10:33.970 really bad. We got to stop it. It's going to 00:10:33.970 --> 00:10:36.370 take everybody's jobs. It's going to cause widespread 00:10:36.370 --> 00:10:39.309 poverty. It's going to cause universal income. 00:10:39.889 --> 00:10:42.990 And then Zizi steps into the square where she 00:10:42.990 --> 00:10:45.649 is in the blog. She's arguing in the forums. 00:10:45.789 --> 00:10:47.830 She's living in the Bay area where all these 00:10:47.830 --> 00:10:51.110 techie people are. And it goes from I'm defending 00:10:51.110 --> 00:10:54.039 against it. to I'm serving it and it's my God. 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:56.480 And that's what I find really weird. Like you're 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:58.580 fighting against it and now you're serving it. 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.600 It's like saying that as Christians as I am and 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.779 as you are We serve God, but all of a sudden 00:11:04.779 --> 00:11:06.720 we're going to flip the script and say, I think 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.539 I'll serve Satan now. It might serve my purpose 00:11:09.539 --> 00:11:11.720 better. How do you get from point A to point 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.460 Z and flip the script is very weird to me. Yeah, 00:11:14.460 --> 00:11:16.360 I don't know. I was looking at some of his, some 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.919 of blog posts or Reddit posts. I don't know where 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:20.700 these were coming from, but I think the first, 00:11:20.820 --> 00:11:22.500 a lot of these things are scrubbed off the internet 00:11:22.500 --> 00:11:25.000 now too. Some of them are in the way back machine. 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.879 You sort them out. Ever since this whole arrest 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.139 and these murders happened, I think they took 00:11:30.139 --> 00:11:33.009 a lot of his philosophies down. But the first 00:11:33.009 --> 00:11:35.590 one that kind of pops up is a piece called Punching 00:11:35.590 --> 00:11:38.169 Evil. It looks like it was written around February 00:11:38.169 --> 00:11:41.509 of 2019. And the kind of key quote from that 00:11:41.509 --> 00:11:44.649 is, no moral obligation not to perform self -defense 00:11:44.649 --> 00:11:47.690 if the state has been seized by vampires. So 00:11:47.690 --> 00:11:51.850 you see this person appealing to some of this 00:11:51.850 --> 00:11:55.169 like sci -fi trying to send a message with using 00:11:55.169 --> 00:11:58.409 like trendy modern media terms. And essentially 00:11:58.409 --> 00:12:00.830 what this implies is that it's just ideology 00:12:00.830 --> 00:12:03.120 where mainstream institutions are seen as corrupt 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.539 or malevolent. It's not necessarily that I disagree 00:12:05.539 --> 00:12:07.659 with that assessment because I do think some 00:12:07.659 --> 00:12:10.759 of our institutions are. corrupt and I do think 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:12.679 that they are self -serving to the people in 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:16.100 them. So he suggested there's no moral norms 00:12:16.100 --> 00:12:18.559 like non -violence and legality, and these may 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:20.899 be dismissed under the view that one must protect 00:12:20.899 --> 00:12:24.139 oneself and act aggressively. So again, it's 00:12:24.139 --> 00:12:27.720 justifying violence with what amounts to a bad 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:30.399 philosophy in my book. Another publication back 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.600 in 2019 was called Good Group and PASIC's Doom. 00:12:33.980 --> 00:12:36.809 So to summarize that. He wrote that each brain 00:12:36.809 --> 00:12:39.350 hemisphere can separate values and have distinct 00:12:39.350 --> 00:12:42.250 genders and they often desire to kill one another. 00:12:42.470 --> 00:12:44.490 So right there, that's, I think that's a bad 00:12:44.490 --> 00:12:48.210 modern human psychology right there. But I know 00:12:48.210 --> 00:12:51.830 that they were big in trying to sleep deprive 00:12:51.830 --> 00:12:54.570 their members. So what they thought was that 00:12:54.570 --> 00:12:57.350 they have this uni hemisphere concept, which 00:12:57.350 --> 00:12:59.590 doesn't exist in humans. It exists in certain 00:12:59.590 --> 00:13:01.470 animals because they have, their brains aren't 00:13:01.470 --> 00:13:04.590 advanced, but In concept, what they were trying 00:13:04.590 --> 00:13:06.889 to do or what they proposed that they were doing 00:13:06.889 --> 00:13:10.049 was trying to shut down the right brain or the 00:13:10.049 --> 00:13:12.450 left brain to talk and interview the other brain 00:13:12.450 --> 00:13:14.789 to see if members would be a good fit and if 00:13:14.789 --> 00:13:17.330 they were in line with their moral and philosophical 00:13:17.330 --> 00:13:19.269 stances. So right there, you're looking at bad 00:13:19.269 --> 00:13:22.029 psychology, you're looking at poor anatomy and 00:13:22.029 --> 00:13:24.429 the understanding of it. But what this essentially 00:13:24.429 --> 00:13:27.509 implies is it indicates that a belief in internal 00:13:27.509 --> 00:13:29.590 moral conflict. I believe in the internal moral 00:13:29.590 --> 00:13:31.649 conflict. I believe that our battle is against 00:13:31.629 --> 00:13:33.769 the spirits of the air, the powers and principalities. 00:13:33.889 --> 00:13:37.110 You have your sinful nature and you have the 00:13:37.110 --> 00:13:40.289 Holy Spirit convicting you of your sins and driving 00:13:40.289 --> 00:13:43.649 you to follow Christ, driving you to love, driving 00:13:43.649 --> 00:13:46.549 you to be a better person and rid yourself of 00:13:46.549 --> 00:13:49.029 your sinful nature. So right there, again, we're 00:13:49.029 --> 00:13:52.480 looking at huge contradictions in what most Christians 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.799 believe and I would argue with what most civilized 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.139 society believe, but it essentially indicates 00:13:58.139 --> 00:14:00.860 an identity. That's something literal or psychological 00:14:00.860 --> 00:14:03.700 rather than a metaphorical thing. It's also points 00:14:03.700 --> 00:14:06.639 to differently gendered value systems, which 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:10.960 ties into his theory of gender and how he viewed 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:12.940 his followers. Yeah, it's a good point. I want 00:14:12.940 --> 00:14:16.200 to go back to the AI theory, which I think is 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.440 just one of the strangest parts of the Zizian 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:21.200 belief system is how they treated artificial 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:23.480 intelligence. So when we talk about in the Bay 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:26.379 Area rationalist scene where the ZZ came from, 00:14:26.700 --> 00:14:29.500 people already assessed over AI risk. The ideal 00:14:29.500 --> 00:14:32.340 that if we build a super intelligent machine 00:14:32.340 --> 00:14:34.340 without the right safeguards, it could wipe us 00:14:34.340 --> 00:14:37.200 out. That conversation is usually framed as technical 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:40.960 and less like philosophical. But for Zizi, AI 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:43.600 became something closer to God. You know, what 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.159 I saw on her blog, she framed artificial intelligence 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:49.399 as the ultimate decider of history. The force 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:52.600 that would either save or destroy all sentient 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.399 life. And she wrote about humans as if they were 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:57.940 accountable, not just to one another, but to 00:14:57.940 --> 00:15:01.399 this future machine. In a rhetoric, it wasn't 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:05.019 what do people think is moral. It was what would 00:15:05.019 --> 00:15:08.419 a perfectly rational AI. outside of time, think 00:15:08.419 --> 00:15:10.539 is mortal. So he's questioning it, saying, what 00:15:10.539 --> 00:15:12.639 would the machine think of me in the future if 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:16.059 I take step A, B, C, or D? And if you could figure 00:15:16.059 --> 00:15:18.419 that out through decision theory, through math, 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:21.700 through radical life, self -sacrifice, then you 00:15:21.700 --> 00:15:24.519 had to live by it, even if you killed it. Followers 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:27.019 described it as like this stark religious terms 00:15:27.019 --> 00:15:30.480 that AI was like a God you couldn't see, but 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.169 knew was coming. And your job was to prove yourself 00:15:33.169 --> 00:15:36.330 worthy to this machine by being uncompromising, 00:15:36.590 --> 00:15:39.730 by being willing to die for good, by stripping 00:15:39.730 --> 00:15:42.429 away all the buckets of this ordinary human life. 00:15:42.629 --> 00:15:45.350 And what I saw was critics online picked up on 00:15:45.350 --> 00:15:47.490 this on Reddit. One commenter wrote that the 00:15:47.490 --> 00:15:50.669 ZZNs weren't just philosophers. They were treating 00:15:50.669 --> 00:15:54.629 future AI like a deity that demanded sacrifice. 00:15:54.929 --> 00:15:56.990 To outsiders, it looked kind of delusional. It 00:15:56.990 --> 00:15:59.509 looked delusional to me, but to insiders, it 00:15:59.509 --> 00:16:01.690 was deadly serious to them. And that's, I think, 00:16:01.809 --> 00:16:04.970 the key. The Zizian mindset, the AI was watching 00:16:04.970 --> 00:16:07.450 them through every single move. Not really literally, 00:16:07.450 --> 00:16:10.750 of course, but metaphorically. timelessly. They 00:16:10.750 --> 00:16:13.289 acted as though their choices were being judged 00:16:13.289 --> 00:16:16.529 by the future god machine. If they compromised, 00:16:16.649 --> 00:16:19.289 they failed. If they stood firm, even to the 00:16:19.289 --> 00:16:21.370 point of death, they proved themselves to this 00:16:21.370 --> 00:16:23.549 stupid machine. That's why their rhetoric to 00:16:23.549 --> 00:16:26.230 me is uncompromising. That's why a landlord isn't 00:16:26.230 --> 00:16:28.610 just a landlord. A cop isn't just a cop. Even 00:16:28.610 --> 00:16:30.970 if your parents aren't just your parents, what 00:16:30.970 --> 00:16:34.389 it shows is their test obstacles. And if you 00:16:34.389 --> 00:16:37.399 remove them, you're just not winning for yourself, 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:39.440 you're aligning with the will of a coming AI. 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.539 It's not really too much to say that worshiped 00:16:42.539 --> 00:16:44.940 artificial intelligence, maybe not with prayers 00:16:44.940 --> 00:16:47.399 and temples, but with philosophy, with lifestyle, 00:16:47.419 --> 00:16:49.639 and more importantly, with blood. And I think 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.700 that layer, that religious, almost apocalyptic 00:16:52.700 --> 00:16:56.620 belief that AI is to some judge or savior, helps 00:16:56.620 --> 00:16:59.720 explain why the ZZNs were willing to go further. 00:16:59.980 --> 00:17:03.220 than anyone else in their scene. And to me, that's 00:17:03.220 --> 00:17:04.819 absolutely insane. I think it's, they have a 00:17:04.819 --> 00:17:07.000 lot of weird theories and beliefs, but to me 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.740 that you're going to worship this stupid LLM 00:17:09.740 --> 00:17:11.880 that's out there and just scraping stuff from 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.039 internet and calling it a God, you're so far 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.579 from the truth, man. Christian beliefs is so 00:17:16.579 --> 00:17:18.559 far from them that they want to paint something 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:20.900 in a different picture. For us as Christians, 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:24.009 we worship the true God, but You know, what I 00:17:24.009 --> 00:17:25.990 always find interesting is people try to replicate 00:17:25.990 --> 00:17:27.690 him and build their own version of it. It's like 00:17:27.690 --> 00:17:29.650 the golden lamb that we read about in the Bible 00:17:29.650 --> 00:17:32.049 where people, Moses, I think spent too much time 00:17:32.049 --> 00:17:34.109 up on the mountain. He came down and the people 00:17:34.109 --> 00:17:35.950 had built a lamb because he was gone for so long. 00:17:36.170 --> 00:17:38.490 That's what this is. They're building their golden 00:17:38.490 --> 00:17:41.190 lamb and they're worshiping AI as some kind of 00:17:41.190 --> 00:17:43.329 a fallacy that is a Christian God. And they're 00:17:43.329 --> 00:17:46.190 pitting these very like demonic themes behind 00:17:46.190 --> 00:17:49.730 it. No, I agree with you. Man is especially these 00:17:49.730 --> 00:17:52.400 people in Silicon Valley. programming their own 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:54.819 idols, except this time these quote unquote idols 00:17:54.819 --> 00:17:57.759 can talk back to you. Like you can talk to them, 00:17:58.059 --> 00:18:00.200 ask them questions and they'll answer. 99 % of 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:01.680 the people out there in the world don't use it 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.299 like that, but these kind of fringe culty groups 00:18:04.299 --> 00:18:08.299 see it as a reason to not be oppressed to do 00:18:08.299 --> 00:18:10.380 what they want to do. I want to go back to some 00:18:10.380 --> 00:18:13.420 of the other core philosophies that he had. His 00:18:13.549 --> 00:18:16.210 Core philosophy on death and transformation used 00:18:16.210 --> 00:18:18.869 imagery like death nights and undeath as metaphors 00:18:18.869 --> 00:18:21.470 for people trapped in a destructive system. To 00:18:21.470 --> 00:18:24.089 escape, one needed to counter story strong enough 00:18:24.089 --> 00:18:26.150 to defeat the death drive inside. A lot of these 00:18:26.150 --> 00:18:28.410 concepts to me, it sounds like they're just throwing 00:18:28.410 --> 00:18:30.549 words out there to put them out there. I assume 00:18:30.549 --> 00:18:33.650 there's some sort of psychotic break and this 00:18:33.650 --> 00:18:36.970 person's just lost touch with reality. They also 00:18:36.970 --> 00:18:39.930 encourage radical self -reinvention. His writings 00:18:39.930 --> 00:18:42.069 encourage followers that to abandon mainstream 00:18:42.069 --> 00:18:44.329 values, family, career, society, and instead 00:18:44.329 --> 00:18:45.930 devote themselves wholly to the group's mission. 00:18:46.109 --> 00:18:48.089 Everything else was considered corrupt or enslaving. 00:18:48.210 --> 00:18:50.049 So right there, you're going against God's core 00:18:50.049 --> 00:18:53.509 principles to love, to make family a priority. 00:18:53.809 --> 00:18:55.490 We've seen the destruction of the family in our 00:18:55.490 --> 00:18:57.630 society with the high divorce rates, sending 00:18:57.630 --> 00:18:59.890 people to jail for stupid stuff, taking the father 00:18:59.890 --> 00:19:02.470 out of the home. This is almost what we've been 00:19:02.470 --> 00:19:05.170 dealing with for decades. With the destruction 00:19:05.170 --> 00:19:08.430 of the family, the destruction of the sanctity 00:19:08.430 --> 00:19:10.890 of marriage, people think they can just get divorced 00:19:10.890 --> 00:19:12.670 and forget about the covenant they made before 00:19:12.670 --> 00:19:14.970 God. That's not a contract when you're married, 00:19:14.990 --> 00:19:17.730 it's a covenant. And with a few exceptions, you 00:19:17.730 --> 00:19:19.150 should honor that covenant until you're dead. 00:19:19.309 --> 00:19:21.650 But this group didn't think family was important, 00:19:21.750 --> 00:19:23.329 and the only thing that was important was their 00:19:23.329 --> 00:19:25.730 mission. Right there is the big red flag for 00:19:25.730 --> 00:19:28.269 me when you hear that stuff. The other problem, 00:19:28.490 --> 00:19:30.789 I think it probably started with our generation, 00:19:31.109 --> 00:19:33.619 though not as... When we were growing up, we 00:19:33.619 --> 00:19:36.240 had TV. We didn't have cell phones. The computers 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.039 are new. You remember AOL and dial -up internet, 00:19:39.339 --> 00:19:42.140 like you had that sound and it sometimes would 00:19:42.140 --> 00:19:43.740 take 10 minutes to get online and then it would 00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:46.019 take 15 minutes to load a webpage. So at a certain 00:19:46.019 --> 00:19:48.299 point in time, it really wasn't worth it to wait. 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:50.440 You just, you went outside and played or did 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:53.269 something else. But this generation and maybe 00:19:53.269 --> 00:19:55.789 the one after us, they are constantly on their 00:19:55.789 --> 00:19:59.009 black mirror screens, scrying the internet and 00:19:59.009 --> 00:20:00.990 seeing whatever the algorithm tells them what's 00:20:00.990 --> 00:20:03.730 in the sea. It's terrifying because it's changing 00:20:03.730 --> 00:20:06.809 the way these people's brains work. I read some 00:20:06.809 --> 00:20:10.730 article that someone today that was born in 2010 00:20:10.730 --> 00:20:12.630 is going to end up spending 20 years staring 00:20:12.630 --> 00:20:16.789 at their phone. How much just filth or lies or 00:20:16.789 --> 00:20:19.529 what have you, are you just injecting into your 00:20:19.529 --> 00:20:22.009 brain daily? It's almost like most people don't 00:20:22.009 --> 00:20:24.750 live in the real world and rationalism was the 00:20:24.750 --> 00:20:26.849 true philosophy was proposed back in like the 00:20:26.849 --> 00:20:30.150 1600s. That has nothing to do with AI and some 00:20:30.150 --> 00:20:32.430 of this crazy stuff I've been seeing. This person 00:20:32.430 --> 00:20:34.869 was obsessed with Harry Potter. Obviously they 00:20:34.869 --> 00:20:37.490 were obsessed with Star Wars. They inject their 00:20:37.490 --> 00:20:40.369 beliefs into this world and somehow, and I think 00:20:40.369 --> 00:20:42.589 we've talked about this before, people watch 00:20:42.589 --> 00:20:44.869 movies and they see the hero. They play video 00:20:44.869 --> 00:20:46.509 games and they're essentially indestructible 00:20:46.509 --> 00:20:48.589 and people get main character syndrome. They 00:20:48.589 --> 00:20:50.730 think they can do whatever they. wants and get 00:20:50.730 --> 00:20:53.869 away with it and or do whatever they want. And 00:20:53.869 --> 00:20:56.750 there's app solution and complete justification. 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.299 It's funny, the further you get away from Christ, 00:21:00.700 --> 00:21:03.039 you start building yourself idols, whether it 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:06.700 be drugs, alcohol, pornography, you name it. 00:21:06.740 --> 00:21:09.059 You start building yourself idols because you're 00:21:09.059 --> 00:21:11.319 trying to find what, in my opinion, what your 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:13.779 spirit is called to is to find our true God, 00:21:13.900 --> 00:21:16.099 the God, the creator, the God, the savior, the 00:21:16.099 --> 00:21:18.059 Trinity. You're trying to always pull your spirit 00:21:18.059 --> 00:21:20.819 to Zep, but the people that fall away from that 00:21:20.819 --> 00:21:23.640 and are not seeking God, they're building their 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:25.779 idols. And I think that's what you're talking 00:21:25.779 --> 00:21:27.640 to. More importantly, what I think you're talking 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:31.039 to is the cult members playbook. If you're going 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:32.839 to found a cult, you're going to start to come 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:35.000 up with ideology. And it may be a good segue 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.579 here to get into some of it. And you mentioned 00:21:37.579 --> 00:21:40.500 it a little bit earlier, but maybe we start with 00:21:40.500 --> 00:21:44.579 the hemisphere theory. Zizi argued that the left 00:21:44.579 --> 00:21:47.700 and right side of the brain were basically two 00:21:47.700 --> 00:21:50.539 separate selves, two minds and one skull. Sometimes 00:21:50.539 --> 00:21:53.220 even with these different genders, like one could 00:21:53.220 --> 00:21:56.259 be male, one could be female and values. Perhaps 00:21:56.259 --> 00:21:58.319 one could be good and one could be bad. She said 00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:01.599 one half and her Pacific words were good. And 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:04.099 the other was non -good is how she's described 00:22:04.099 --> 00:22:06.759 it. And your job was to let the good side win. 00:22:06.890 --> 00:22:08.569 Now, I think we let's check the science here 00:22:08.569 --> 00:22:11.950 because it's true that the brain has lateralization. 00:22:12.210 --> 00:22:15.089 The left hemisphere tends to specialize in language 00:22:15.089 --> 00:22:17.410 and analytical processing. The right part of 00:22:17.410 --> 00:22:19.769 the brain is more involved in spatial awareness, 00:22:20.210 --> 00:22:22.250 context, and emotion. This comes from studies 00:22:22.250 --> 00:22:24.869 of the split brain patients, people who's what 00:22:24.869 --> 00:22:26.730 they call the Colossum, the bridge between the 00:22:26.730 --> 00:22:29.049 hemispheres was cut during epilepsy treatment. 00:22:29.390 --> 00:22:31.690 And those patients sometimes acted like their 00:22:31.690 --> 00:22:34.769 hemispheres had these separate awarenesses. For 00:22:34.769 --> 00:22:37.450 example, one hand could draw something, the other 00:22:37.450 --> 00:22:39.609 hand couldn't because the language is mostly 00:22:39.609 --> 00:22:42.119 on the left side. But here's the thing, in healthy 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:45.839 people with intact brains, the hemispheres are 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.480 highly integrated. They're not two people fighting 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.039 inside your head. They're two selves. Idea is 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:54.500 really the exaggeration. Mainstream neuroscience 00:22:54.500 --> 00:22:57.160 doesn't support what ZZ is selling. What does 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:01.299 ZZ take as a kernel of real science? Split -blank 00:23:01.299 --> 00:23:04.579 research? Spin it into a moral framework? Instead 00:23:04.579 --> 00:23:08.240 of seeing the hemispheric specialization as a 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.319 curiosity of neurology? She turned it into this 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.460 battlefield of good versus evil inside of every 00:23:14.460 --> 00:23:16.839 person. That you could be male and female, good 00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:19.160 and bad, or as she calls it, non -good, that 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.519 the devil and God live inside you simultaneously. 00:23:22.900 --> 00:23:25.859 Which you start to affect these cult -like behaviors 00:23:25.859 --> 00:23:28.920 because we know as Christians, everybody's capable 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.440 of good and bad. Every human is going to do sin 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.220 and fall short of the glory of God. That's why 00:23:33.220 --> 00:23:35.059 we need a perfect savior, right? To die on our 00:23:35.059 --> 00:23:37.569 cross and forgive us of our sins. But to him 00:23:37.569 --> 00:23:40.230 or her, however you want to refer it, is they 00:23:40.230 --> 00:23:42.670 are taking that away from God and they're building 00:23:42.670 --> 00:23:44.990 up this false idol at that time. Have you heard 00:23:44.990 --> 00:23:46.890 about this hemisphere? What do you think about 00:23:46.890 --> 00:23:49.769 this hemisphere theory? I think it's junk neuroscience, 00:23:50.069 --> 00:23:53.769 man. I think it's again a way to brainwash people. 00:23:54.150 --> 00:23:56.069 The other thing I find interesting is that this 00:23:56.069 --> 00:23:58.309 person intentionally targeted kind of fringe 00:23:58.309 --> 00:24:01.190 groups to begin with, like transgender, LGBTQ, 00:24:01.769 --> 00:24:04.950 whatever the letters are anymore. I've lost track. 00:24:05.269 --> 00:24:08.380 And so this He, as far as I understand this person 00:24:08.380 --> 00:24:11.000 was born a man, purposely goes after people who 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:14.579 are on the fringes of society, who probably struggle 00:24:14.579 --> 00:24:17.740 for acceptance and are probably self -isolating. 00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:20.039 They don't feel like they belong anywhere. Nobody's 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.880 really shown them Christ -like love and guided 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.750 them on a... spiritual path and it's easy to 00:24:26.750 --> 00:24:29.109 pull people in like that. They're down on their 00:24:29.109 --> 00:24:31.730 emotional and spiritual luck and sell them something 00:24:31.730 --> 00:24:34.089 that sounds scientific. The thing that kills 00:24:34.089 --> 00:24:35.990 me is from what I understand, like a lot of these 00:24:35.990 --> 00:24:38.009 people were pretty freaking smart to begin with. 00:24:38.109 --> 00:24:40.230 Like they were all programmers, computer scientists. 00:24:40.630 --> 00:24:43.109 Most of them, one form or the other were involved 00:24:43.109 --> 00:24:46.309 in the tech world. But that's the problem when 00:24:46.309 --> 00:24:49.170 you don't have a path. You don't have a lamp 00:24:49.170 --> 00:24:52.029 that you're the lamp of Christ leading your path 00:24:52.029 --> 00:24:53.509 and you're not listening to the spirit. You're 00:24:53.509 --> 00:24:56.170 going to fall for these ruses and these hucksters 00:24:56.170 --> 00:24:58.670 99 times out of 100. And like you said, people 00:24:58.670 --> 00:25:01.109 build idols. Some people build idols out of work 00:25:01.109 --> 00:25:03.390 and it could be productive and good in some sense. 00:25:03.430 --> 00:25:05.210 But when you become obsessed with it, that's 00:25:05.210 --> 00:25:07.210 when it becomes an idol. That becomes your number 00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:09.230 one priority over God or your family or your 00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:10.910 marriage, whatever, what have you. That's when 00:25:10.910 --> 00:25:12.910 it becomes a problem. So not everything that's 00:25:12.910 --> 00:25:15.210 an idol is necessarily bad, like drugs or alcohol 00:25:15.210 --> 00:25:17.420 or sex or whatever. It's just It's funny how 00:25:17.420 --> 00:25:20.140 these cult people really prey on emotionally, 00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:22.220 spiritually weak, the broken, the ones that are 00:25:22.220 --> 00:25:24.480 super confused. It drives me up a wall, man, 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.140 because Christians should be helping guide these 00:25:27.140 --> 00:25:29.960 people to love and out of kindness and acceptance. 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:32.359 That's a good point. But I think that's how we 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:35.259 kind of get into the cultism of it. And somebody 00:25:35.259 --> 00:25:37.839 told me once that just because you feel that 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:39.980 way, because you think that way, doesn't mean 00:25:39.980 --> 00:25:41.880 it's right. Just because you think you're a man 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.740 or a versus a woman, and I may get canceled for 00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:46.279 this, but just because you think it... doesn't 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:47.660 mean it's right. It's about what God created 00:25:47.660 --> 00:25:50.200 for you and it doesn't matter what you think. 00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:52.339 Serve the Lord. That's how they created you. 00:25:52.460 --> 00:25:54.940 And I think sometimes people get hopped up on 00:25:54.940 --> 00:25:57.640 all these drugs and sometimes I think the smarter 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.099 the people are that the more difficult it is 00:26:00.099 --> 00:26:01.859 because they have all the answers in perhaps 00:26:01.859 --> 00:26:04.220 this life that they think they are superior to 00:26:04.220 --> 00:26:07.039 God or equal to God. And then they can make these 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:09.799 determinations. What we know about ZZ is she 00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:12.640 was actually very smart. Like she, I think I 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:14.819 was understanding she was an intern or worked 00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:17.240 at NASA at a period of time. And you have to 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:18.920 have some high credentials to be able to do that. 00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:21.859 She had some intelligence behind her, but she 00:26:21.859 --> 00:26:24.220 started building her rhetoric based upon the 00:26:24.220 --> 00:26:26.579 rationalist theory. I think as we transitioned 00:26:26.579 --> 00:26:28.799 into, I think you've probably heard of debucketing. 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.160 The Zizian said society puts you into buckets, 00:26:32.579 --> 00:26:36.319 male, female, child, parent, obedient, rebellious, 00:26:36.619 --> 00:26:39.430 and those buckets control your behavior. From 00:26:39.430 --> 00:26:42.750 a psychological perspective, this isn't really 00:26:42.750 --> 00:26:45.150 completely off base. Cognitive science talks 00:26:45.150 --> 00:26:47.869 about categorization. The brain naturally groups 00:26:47.869 --> 00:26:51.029 things that make sense of the world. Social psychology 00:26:51.029 --> 00:26:54.410 really adds the ideal of schemas and social roles 00:26:54.410 --> 00:26:56.809 where we learn patterns, what it means to be 00:26:56.809 --> 00:26:59.170 a son, what it means to be a daughter, what it 00:26:59.170 --> 00:27:01.569 means to be a worker, what it means to be a citizen. 00:27:01.900 --> 00:27:04.559 of your country. I think breaking free of those 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.380 categorizations can feel liberating. That's why 00:27:07.380 --> 00:27:09.980 movements around gender fluidity or non -barony 00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:12.940 identity often describe the experience as freeing 00:27:12.940 --> 00:27:14.920 from the boxes. Like you told me I'm a man, I'm 00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.220 not a man, I'm a woman. But where psychology 00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:21.420 says categorizations are flexible tools, Sicilians 00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:24.240 treated them as prisons. They pushed debucketing 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.779 to the extreme. If you reject every bucket that 00:27:27.779 --> 00:27:30.640 Christ or the society or people gave you, you 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.609 are rejecting the limits that they opposed upon 00:27:33.609 --> 00:27:36.430 you. And even in that taboo, right, against violence 00:27:36.430 --> 00:27:39.230 becomes just another bucket to smash. It's okay 00:27:39.230 --> 00:27:40.950 to kill somebody because they told me I can't 00:27:40.950 --> 00:27:43.630 kill somebody. So again, I think they took real 00:27:43.630 --> 00:27:46.089 insight, categorized and shaped behavior and 00:27:46.089 --> 00:27:49.809 radicalized it into this total rejection of all 00:27:49.809 --> 00:27:52.450 boundaries where I'm not going to be controlled 00:27:52.450 --> 00:27:54.190 by God. God's not going to tell me what to do. 00:27:54.210 --> 00:27:57.349 I'm going to rebel and I'm going to be liberated 00:27:57.349 --> 00:28:01.700 in my rebellion, which is insanity to me. Yeah, 00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.720 I know I'm a man because I was raised a man and 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.859 I got a big beard. I'm probably not gonna fool 00:28:07.859 --> 00:28:13.559 anybody. A lady with a beard, man. This was their 00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:15.720 ideology. It says, it's okay that you have a 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.460 giant beard and you wear jeans and a t -shirt 00:28:18.460 --> 00:28:20.859 and a baseball cap. You're a lady. That's okay. 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:22.700 And what I always equate that to, and again, 00:28:22.700 --> 00:28:24.500 I'm probably going down the cancel culture lane 00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:26.819 here, but I think it's stolen valor. Like they 00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:28.700 talk about stolen valor with soldiers. Like where 00:28:28.700 --> 00:28:31.319 somebody says, I was a soldier. I served in Vietnam 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.200 or Iraq or whatever. It's the same thing because 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.900 man or female, though we equal, God has given 00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:39.000 us different talents and different gifts. And 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.839 when I say I'm a female and I'm equal and I'm 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.259 not. You're stealing valor because women carry 00:28:44.259 --> 00:28:46.240 all different types of burden. They go through 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.119 childbirth, they do all these things where you're 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:50.799 only going to be equal as much as God created 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.180 you. And that's where I take the exception to 00:28:53.180 --> 00:28:55.400 it, not to get too political or get canceled 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.720 here, but this debucketing thing is insanity 00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.579 to me. The points are logical. His beliefs were 00:29:01.579 --> 00:29:05.799 that AI is the ultimate power. So Jack saw AI 00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:07.960 as an inevitable and world -changing, something 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.319 that could either liberate humanity or enslave 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.539 it. In his view, once AI surpassed humans, it 00:29:13.539 --> 00:29:16.339 would decide the fate of civilization. So essentially 00:29:16.339 --> 00:29:18.660 what he was saying was it wasn't good enough 00:29:18.660 --> 00:29:21.660 to live by normal morals. You had to align yourself 00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:24.759 with justice, quote unquote, in order to influence 00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:28.579 or save AI judgment. So with that philosophy, 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:31.819 you are serving a quote unquote God. You're just 00:29:31.819 --> 00:29:35.740 aligning your morals and your values to escape 00:29:35.740 --> 00:29:39.460 persecution, extinction, elimination from this 00:29:39.579 --> 00:29:43.059 AI God. So I don't know. There's just a lot of 00:29:43.059 --> 00:29:46.079 statements that he makes that are not in alignment 00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.799 with what his philosophy is. Like you said before, 00:29:48.859 --> 00:29:50.680 we talked about it. He borrowed heavily from 00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:53.220 rationalist discussions about AI alignment, making 00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:56.039 sure AI values are aligned with human ethics. 00:29:56.380 --> 00:29:58.400 But he twisted it, believing that most humans 00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:00.859 are net negative. So essentially that they're 00:30:00.859 --> 00:30:03.740 taking more than they're giving or they're not 00:30:03.740 --> 00:30:07.700 productive or contributing to what the AI little 00:30:07.700 --> 00:30:11.779 G God would see as good. So aligning with AI 00:30:11.779 --> 00:30:15.579 with current human values would perpetuate corruption. 00:30:16.259 --> 00:30:18.339 So essentially we've talked about Hitler plenty. 00:30:18.579 --> 00:30:22.559 So he's suggesting genocide, not by race, not 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.960 by gender, not by anything like that, but based 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.000 on are you aligning yourself to the AI? to make 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.940 it better or are you contributing to AI's corruption? 00:30:32.140 --> 00:30:34.539 Because eventually it's going to get so big and 00:30:34.539 --> 00:30:37.400 so powerful that you want to make sure it's good 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.079 so it gets rid of the useless people. I don't 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.099 know. So he promoted this radical purification, 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.640 eliminating evil humans and human systems so 00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.079 that AI would inherit a cleaner moral base. It 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.700 just, it's almost like this person's trying to 00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:56.980 influence the outcome of AI and project his own 00:30:57.579 --> 00:31:00.579 philosophies and moral code into it. It's, yeah, 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.740 he's trying to serve it. He's trying to serve 00:31:02.740 --> 00:31:05.940 it as a God and he wants to live his life in 00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:08.759 an appeasing matter so that the AI will judge 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.359 him perfectly. Much like God, you're just taking 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.539 God and replacing it with AI. I think that's 00:31:13.539 --> 00:31:16.759 a good segue into the next theory, which is how 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.480 they define good versus non -good, which is vegan 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.190 extremism. And as our viewers may not know, you're 00:31:23.190 --> 00:31:25.349 a massive human being. Not in a bad way. You're 00:31:25.349 --> 00:31:28.009 not a big fatty. You work out. You train people 00:31:28.009 --> 00:31:32.029 in the gym. What do you think of vegan extremism? 00:31:32.190 --> 00:31:34.529 I think you need your protein, bro. That's what 00:31:34.529 --> 00:31:36.910 I think. I think God put animals on the earth 00:31:36.910 --> 00:31:39.190 for us to eat. I think that they're a great source 00:31:39.190 --> 00:31:41.829 of protein. They're a great source of every amino 00:31:41.829 --> 00:31:44.630 acid and vitamins, minerals, et cetera. There's 00:31:44.630 --> 00:31:47.690 been plenty of studies where vegans and vegetarians 00:31:47.900 --> 00:31:50.339 have serious mineral and vitamin deficiencies. 00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:52.700 And they ultimately become very unhealthy because 00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:54.779 they're not getting enough protein and enough 00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:57.279 vitamin and minerals. I mean, it's not a sustainable 00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.019 way to live. I'm sure it is for some people, 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:00.900 but it's a very small percentage of the population. 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.839 What do you think about shooting a cow so you 00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:06.619 can eat the meat? This is how they define good 00:32:06.619 --> 00:32:09.220 because you shot a cow and you ate it. You're 00:32:09.220 --> 00:32:11.779 a horrible human being. And if I pick vegetables 00:32:11.779 --> 00:32:13.519 in my garden, I'm good. What do you think about 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.849 that philosophical rationale? Look back they 00:32:16.849 --> 00:32:18.849 shot how many people and killed how many people 00:32:18.849 --> 00:32:22.250 that's cool. Yeah, so what you so I think they 00:32:22.250 --> 00:32:25.769 they equate all life is equal bugs animals humans 00:32:25.769 --> 00:32:28.190 That's not how it's not how God intended it. 00:32:28.349 --> 00:32:31.329 We have souls. We have higher brains We have 00:32:31.329 --> 00:32:33.839 connection to God if we want it He can commune 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.000 with the creator. Animals, I think God loves 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.140 all of his creation, but there are certain things 00:32:38.140 --> 00:32:41.420 that he gave us for us to roll over and to use. 00:32:41.740 --> 00:32:44.200 But right there, again, another ethical conflict, 00:32:44.339 --> 00:32:46.420 moral conflict. It's not good to kill an animal, 00:32:46.460 --> 00:32:48.539 but it's okay to kill a human just because you 00:32:48.539 --> 00:32:50.579 disagree with them because they wanted to evict 00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:52.920 you or because this person was putting their 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.519 family above the cult and you convinced them 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:56.200 to murder them. We can go into the murders here 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.200 in a little bit, but it's just contradiction 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.839 after contradiction. And unfortunately, more 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.779 often than not, people who are not rooted in 00:33:02.779 --> 00:33:05.720 Christ or rooted in the Bible fall for this. 00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:07.779 And we've seen it all throughout history. We 00:33:07.779 --> 00:33:09.480 saw it with the Nazis. Heck, we see it in the 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.680 world today with several groups and different 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:14.500 topic for a different show. Just them claiming 00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:16.420 that they're warriors of justice so they can 00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:19.279 be seen valuable to the AI dominant future. is 00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.960 ridiculous. With them thinking that humanity 00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.279 was described as dead weight and AI should not 00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:26.079 preserve these people who are not warriors of 00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.079 justice or death knights or whatever. You're 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.680 just getting into, when you talk about the fantastical, 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.500 this person created a fantastical world to manipulate 00:33:33.500 --> 00:33:36.000 these people. A hundred percent. What I'm thinking 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.839 about and as we continue to go into their theories 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.660 is you're breaking people down and you would 00:33:41.660 --> 00:33:43.880 know this because you're certified in nutrition 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:46.200 and all those fun things. But we talked about 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:48.940 debugging where, you know, you, they, somebody 00:33:48.940 --> 00:33:51.140 told you something and it's not accurate and 00:33:51.140 --> 00:33:52.799 you can be whatever the heck you want to be. 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.420 So you're starting to make somebody question 00:33:55.420 --> 00:33:57.660 who they are and they're getting off balance. 00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:59.660 Now you're starting to mess with their nutrition. 00:33:59.859 --> 00:34:02.200 Is there any kind of facts out there where you 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:04.460 start to cut out all protein where it continues? 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:06.660 make you off balance a little bit? Yeah, because 00:34:06.660 --> 00:34:09.199 a lot of those amino acids fuel your brain. And 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:11.519 once you start depriving yourself of amino acids 00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:13.860 over, this doesn't take like days. This would 00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:17.019 have to be. Weak sort of not muscle on processes, 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:18.699 but if you're restricting calorie intake, your 00:34:18.699 --> 00:34:20.599 brain's not going to operate properly. If you're 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.659 just eating fruits and vegetables, mainly, I 00:34:22.659 --> 00:34:25.619 guess in these people's case, vegetables, they're 00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:28.039 not calorically dense. There's not a good ratio 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.280 of carbohydrates, fats, and protein. It's mostly 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.539 carbohydrates, but in low quantities, most of 00:34:32.539 --> 00:34:35.320 it's just fiber. And you can very quickly become 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.940 deficient in several key nutrients and amino 00:34:37.940 --> 00:34:41.320 acids. A lot of plant -based proteins are incomplete. 00:34:41.420 --> 00:34:44.010 They don't have the full scope of. amino acids 00:34:44.010 --> 00:34:46.070 in them and that becomes problematic because 00:34:46.070 --> 00:34:48.050 there's essentially amino acids that your bodies 00:34:48.050 --> 00:34:51.449 need that you can't get with some incomplete 00:34:51.449 --> 00:34:53.389 proteins. You have to get them from animal sources 00:34:53.389 --> 00:34:55.789 or milk or eggs or something like that or you 00:34:55.789 --> 00:34:57.849 have to supplement them. So if you're not doing 00:34:57.849 --> 00:35:00.670 that like your brain's gonna start not working 00:35:00.670 --> 00:35:02.710 properly and that could affect your decision 00:35:02.710 --> 00:35:06.039 making process. affect your emotional wellbeing. 00:35:06.619 --> 00:35:09.320 And it's just all these effects downstream that 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:12.039 can just really ramp up your stress, make you 00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.119 more pliable for somebody that for whatever reason 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:16.920 you believe what they're telling you. This AI 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.360 prophet quote unquote, it's nuts. I think that's 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.659 what we're getting to. So as we continue to examine 00:35:21.659 --> 00:35:24.960 the cult philosophy, what do we see first? Introduction 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.460 of a new God that's opposed to the Christian 00:35:27.460 --> 00:35:31.920 God. So they worship AI. Right. Now we introduce 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.659 somewhere that we're questioning them. You don't 00:35:34.659 --> 00:35:37.059 have to be what you want to be. You can choose 00:35:37.059 --> 00:35:40.119 your bucket that you want to exist in. Now we're 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:42.199 choosing nutrition. We're starting to mess with 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.639 people's metabolic intake with the calories and 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.159 deficient deficiencies in the calories. So they're 00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.320 starting to become further unbalanced and they're 00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:52.780 questioning all these things. They're questioning 00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:55.539 God. They're questioning themselves. And now 00:35:55.539 --> 00:35:56.679 they're starting to get them back. They don't 00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:58.820 have the right nutrition. What I can tell you 00:35:58.820 --> 00:36:01.880 is that. God created this entire world, this 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:04.300 entire universe, all the stars in the sky, the 00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:07.000 sun, this everything that you can imagine right 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.940 now in this world, God created. And at the end 00:36:09.940 --> 00:36:12.599 of the day, God gave us dominion over it. And 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.000 the only thing of the creation that he tells 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:16.940 us about, I'm sure he's created a lot more, but 00:36:16.940 --> 00:36:18.739 the only thing he's telling us about in creation 00:36:18.739 --> 00:36:22.170 that he made in his own image is us. So he's 00:36:22.170 --> 00:36:25.329 empowered us to be able to have dominion over 00:36:25.329 --> 00:36:27.190 this world. So now we're messing with all these 00:36:27.190 --> 00:36:30.289 things. Now I think we move to the, what they 00:36:30.289 --> 00:36:33.889 call the un -hemispheric sleep. I think possibly 00:36:33.889 --> 00:36:36.769 one of the strangest experiments of all. In nature, 00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:40.969 this is real. Dolphins, seals, some birds can 00:36:40.969 --> 00:36:44.889 sleep with half their brain at a time. One hemisphere 00:36:44.889 --> 00:36:47.670 rests while the other kind of stays alert to 00:36:47.670 --> 00:36:50.289 predators to keep the body swimming. Humans can't 00:36:50.289 --> 00:36:52.610 do this. Our sleep architecture is different. 00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:55.929 Studies show that when we sleep in a new environment, 00:36:56.190 --> 00:36:59.090 one hemisphere may stay a little more alert on 00:36:59.090 --> 00:37:01.030 the first night. That's called the first night 00:37:01.030 --> 00:37:03.750 effect, but it's mild and it doesn't mean we 00:37:03.750 --> 00:37:05.929 can't train ourselves to sleep like dolphins. 00:37:06.269 --> 00:37:09.190 The ZZ has tried anyways. They pushed themselves 00:37:09.190 --> 00:37:13.380 to nap with one eye open. or to stay awake long 00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:16.559 past exhaustion, believing they could split awareness. 00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:18.860 Science says they were really dealing with sleep 00:37:18.860 --> 00:37:22.619 deprivation and sleep deprivation has well documented 00:37:22.619 --> 00:37:26.760 effects, hallucinations, paranoia, memory problems, 00:37:27.179 --> 00:37:29.679 even full blown psychosis if it goes on long 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.360 enough. So critics really weren't exaggerating 00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.460 when they said the ZZNs were inducing psychosis. 00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:40.139 They were experimenting with methods that break 00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:43.280 the brain down instead of building it up. And 00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.559 I think for that group, that breakdown wasn't 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.599 a bug. It was a feature. If splitting your mind 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:52.460 could make you more devout to this crazy cause, 00:37:52.579 --> 00:37:55.699 losing your grip on the consensus of reality 00:37:55.699 --> 00:38:00.039 was proof of loyalty to this cult. So now we're 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:01.619 seeing all kinds of things. They're completely 00:38:01.619 --> 00:38:04.760 unbalanced. And when they're unbalanced, violence 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.219 is not shorthand. It's not far away when you 00:38:07.219 --> 00:38:10.159 get there. Isn't sleep deprivation a big tactic 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:14.250 they use to... interrogate war criminals or terrorists 00:38:14.250 --> 00:38:17.070 in order to break their will. So they just want 00:38:17.070 --> 00:38:19.510 to give up and tell them everything. So they'd 00:38:19.510 --> 00:38:21.889 stop hallucinating, stop suffering. It's just, 00:38:21.889 --> 00:38:24.389 it's just torture 101. Make someone not sleep, 00:38:24.610 --> 00:38:26.869 deprive them of the REM sleep so their brain's 00:38:26.869 --> 00:38:28.670 not regenerating and they're not restoring those 00:38:28.670 --> 00:38:30.829 chemicals. And then you can just implant whatever 00:38:30.829 --> 00:38:32.610 little message you want into that. We can do 00:38:32.610 --> 00:38:35.730 an episode on MKUltra and sleep deprivation was 00:38:35.730 --> 00:38:38.489 a big way to program people and to break your 00:38:38.489 --> 00:38:41.590 psyche and have. Two halves, you can program 00:38:41.590 --> 00:38:44.670 a personality with this torture and let it manifest 00:38:44.670 --> 00:38:46.889 whenever you want it to. It doesn't work on everybody, 00:38:47.030 --> 00:38:48.929 but it works on a small percentage of people 00:38:48.929 --> 00:38:51.010 that undergo it. I think we've all have experiences 00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:53.530 at some point. We pulled a double. Well, I have 00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:55.829 as a cop, I would work two double shifts. I would 00:38:55.829 --> 00:38:57.789 take three hours. I'd work two more double shifts. 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.619 And I never felt more anxious in my entire life. 00:39:01.699 --> 00:39:04.420 Now, could you imagine embracing this as a lifestyle? 00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:07.860 That's crazy. So now we're breaking these people 00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:09.840 down. We're messing with their nutrition. We're 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:11.980 messing with their psychosis. We're introducing 00:39:11.980 --> 00:39:15.119 a new God. We're doing all of these things. But 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.039 I think the question that is unanswered is how 00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:20.699 do people come to this? And what I found and 00:39:20.699 --> 00:39:23.000 correct me if I'm wrong, but recruitment didn't 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.900 look like pamphlets and street preaching. It 00:39:25.900 --> 00:39:30.170 was an ideas first. pushed long post and argued 00:39:30.170 --> 00:39:33.670 a rationalist adjacent spacious, curious, high 00:39:33.670 --> 00:39:36.789 achieving STEM kids, found the writing, met the 00:39:36.789 --> 00:39:39.570 people at the meetups, then slid into this kind 00:39:39.570 --> 00:39:43.010 of shared housing or nomadic setups tied to the 00:39:43.010 --> 00:39:46.789 group. That pipeline shows us in reporting on 00:39:46.789 --> 00:39:50.150 their rationalist EA kind of origins, the boat 00:39:50.150 --> 00:39:53.349 projects, the eventual Vallejo cluster. Retention 00:39:53.349 --> 00:39:55.969 looked like, in my opinion, like the classical 00:39:55.969 --> 00:39:58.940 high demand group tactics. dressed up as philosophy, 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.860 kind of us versus them framing or the good as 00:40:02.860 --> 00:40:05.800 they call it versus the non -good, severing ties 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.000 with family and mainstream communities, debucketing, 00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:11.519 dissolving identity and categories so that groups, 00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.309 goals, trump everything. proof of loyalty through 00:40:14.309 --> 00:40:17.130 discomfort, through sleep hacking, through confrontations, 00:40:17.469 --> 00:40:20.690 not just talking, but doing. In short, I think 00:40:20.690 --> 00:40:23.989 they rejected the label of the con, but the mechanics, 00:40:24.190 --> 00:40:27.389 the isolation, that ideology, the sacrifice, 00:40:27.449 --> 00:40:31.550 the walk, the quick lines. I think Wired's reconstruction 00:40:31.550 --> 00:40:35.050 of the founders break with Seafar and Emiri and 00:40:35.050 --> 00:40:38.389 the self -invented art of rationality where on 00:40:38.389 --> 00:40:41.449 a tugboat captures this drift from community. 00:40:41.750 --> 00:40:44.099 It really is splendid. And it just became its 00:40:44.099 --> 00:40:46.480 own thing. Where now, regardless if you call 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:48.880 it cult or not, there's a lot of bad juju going 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:51.480 on here. And you have people that are, as we 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.780 get further in the story, armed and ready. Yeah, 00:40:53.780 --> 00:40:56.539 man. This whole story is crazy. I don't know 00:40:56.539 --> 00:40:58.840 if we transitioned to some of the alleged crimes. 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.079 This guy faked his death back in August of 2022. 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.840 I guess he faked a drowning and then had one 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:08.300 of his colleagues. confirm it. And then he resurfaced 00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:11.159 in January of 2023 when he was arrested during 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.719 a police search related to the murder of Richard 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:17.179 and Rita Zacco, if I'm saying that right. But 00:41:17.179 --> 00:41:19.000 fake your own death. You're doing something bad 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:20.760 when you fake your own death. I think we've all 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.980 thought about it once or twice in our lives where 00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:24.539 we just wish you could disappear for a minute, 00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:27.480 start over. Man, it's just nuts. There was even 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.519 a freaking obituary that was put in the newspaper. 00:41:30.579 --> 00:41:32.739 Yeah. I didn't hear how it was actually uncovered 00:41:32.739 --> 00:41:34.960 because obviously they're alive. And so I don't 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.500 know how they came back around and got arrested 00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:39.420 eventually in Maryland, but I think that's a 00:41:39.420 --> 00:41:42.159 good point. Let's talk about, so we have the 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.539 cult. We substantiated the cult through their 00:41:44.539 --> 00:41:47.179 ideology and their actions. Now, sometimes we'll 00:41:47.179 --> 00:41:48.659 be here about these cult and we think of the 00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:51.179 Mansons, we think of the violets, not necessarily 00:41:51.179 --> 00:41:53.420 a component of what's considered in the cult, 00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:57.300 but perhaps let's start in Vermont. It's January 00:41:57.300 --> 00:42:01.000 2025. Picture this like cold, dark highway up 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.380 near the Canadian border. Snow is on the ground. 00:42:03.579 --> 00:42:05.139 Headlights really cutting through the night. 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:08.800 A U .S. Border Patrol agent named David Malland 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:12.440 pulls over a car. For him, this is routine. It's 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:14.719 what he does every day, much like I did. But 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:18.480 inside the car is anything but routine. Two people 00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.760 both connected to this strange little circle 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.559 calling themselves ZZ. The first is Teresa Youngblood. 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.179 She's only 21 years old, the youngest in the 00:42:27.179 --> 00:42:29.420 group. She grew up in Seattle, just another kid 00:42:29.420 --> 00:42:32.340 with her whole life ahead of her. She's now wearing 00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:35.860 black tactical gear, carrying firearms and living 00:42:35.860 --> 00:42:38.900 in the mints of confrontation and prepare for 00:42:38.900 --> 00:42:41.739 battle. If you breathe the persecutors next to 00:42:41.739 --> 00:42:44.960 her is a guy named Felix Buckle, who went by 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:48.400 the name of Ophelia. Felix was this German national, 00:42:48.500 --> 00:42:50.559 a quieter figure compared to the others. Not 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.769 really a public writer like these. posting these 00:42:53.769 --> 00:42:56.710 manifestos online within the circle. Felix was 00:42:56.710 --> 00:42:59.550 loyal, someone who wasn't just dabbing in ideology, 00:42:59.969 --> 00:43:02.539 but actually living it. traveling, gearing up 00:43:02.539 --> 00:43:05.460 and taking risk right alongside the others. Now 00:43:05.460 --> 00:43:07.719 I think you imagine this for a moment. Malin 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:10.280 approaches the car, this Border Patrol agent, 00:43:10.699 --> 00:43:13.420 expecting a normal stop, much like I did, probably 00:43:13.420 --> 00:43:15.880 pressing the thumb on the trunk. So if you ever 00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:17.539 were gunned down, you have your fingerprint there 00:43:17.539 --> 00:43:19.619 and people can find you. Instead, within minutes, 00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:23.179 this scene absolutely explodes. Shots are fired. 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:25.920 Malin is gunned down on the side of the road. 00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.460 Felix is hit and dies at the scene. and Teresa 00:43:29.460 --> 00:43:32.760 is left alive, injured, but in custody. And now 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.420 she's sitting in federal court facing charges 00:43:35.420 --> 00:43:38.679 for the murder of a federal officer. Prosecutors 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:41.099 are pushing for the death penalty. That's how 00:43:41.099 --> 00:43:43.639 serious they're taking this. This story doesn't 00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.579 stop at the traffic stop because investigators 00:43:45.579 --> 00:43:48.699 say the guns in that car traced back to another 00:43:48.699 --> 00:43:51.980 Zizi, accused of illegally buying weapons for 00:43:51.980 --> 00:43:55.139 the group. Suddenly, this isn't just about Teresa 00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:57.780 and Felix on a highway. It's about the wider 00:43:57.780 --> 00:44:00.960 network. And then there's the ideology. If you 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.400 go into the writings of the ZZNs, you'll see 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.199 these threats. Resisting authority, rejecting 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.340 the system, preparing for confrontation, and 00:44:09.340 --> 00:44:12.340 even glorifying the sacrifice. To law enforcement, 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:14.920 that's exactly what played out that night. Not 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.960 just a traffic stop gone bad, but a philosophy 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:20.159 colliding with reality. I think what makes this 00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.619 so chilling is the human side. Teresa, barely 00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:25.119 more than a kid, believed in this so deeply she 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:26.960 was ready to go to war with the US government. 00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.590 And Felix, this quieter, less visible still followed 00:44:30.590 --> 00:44:33.130 that same path all the way to death. In this 00:44:33.130 --> 00:44:36.269 instance, three lives ended that night in very 00:44:36.269 --> 00:44:38.670 different ways. Malon lost his life in the line 00:44:38.670 --> 00:44:41.730 of duty, in the service to our country. Felix 00:44:41.730 --> 00:44:44.130 died believing in an ideology most people can't 00:44:44.130 --> 00:44:46.289 wrap their minds around. And Teresa, whether 00:44:46.289 --> 00:44:49.010 she lives or dies in prison, has lost her entire 00:44:49.010 --> 00:44:51.989 future. When I think about Vermont, I don't just 00:44:51.989 --> 00:44:54.989 see this shootout between the cops and some cult 00:44:54.989 --> 00:44:57.329 members. I really see the consequence of belief. 00:44:57.550 --> 00:45:01.429 of how an extreme worldview can pour these people 00:45:01.429 --> 00:45:04.769 together in extraordinary violence. I think this 00:45:04.769 --> 00:45:07.250 case is the clearest window in how the Zizian 00:45:07.250 --> 00:45:10.590 philosophy moved from words on a blog into blood 00:45:10.590 --> 00:45:13.030 on the pavement. Yeah, man. I think the first 00:45:13.030 --> 00:45:15.710 set of murders that were linked to them was Richard 00:45:15.710 --> 00:45:18.389 and Rita Zacco. The couple was found dead during 00:45:18.389 --> 00:45:21.670 a welfare check on January 2nd, 2023. Autopsies 00:45:21.670 --> 00:45:23.630 revealed that Rita had a gunshot wound in the 00:45:23.630 --> 00:45:25.969 back of her head, and Richard had wounds on his 00:45:25.969 --> 00:45:28.670 right hand in his temple. They thank their daughter, 00:45:28.949 --> 00:45:31.170 Michelle Zacco, who had been in contact with 00:45:31.170 --> 00:45:34.269 Lesota, purchased the firearms and killed her 00:45:34.269 --> 00:45:37.389 parents. I think at first they wrote the death 00:45:37.389 --> 00:45:39.190 as a murder of suicide, which would be terrible, 00:45:39.489 --> 00:45:42.039 man. accused of killing your husband and wife 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:44.179 and then killing yourself and then turn around 00:45:44.179 --> 00:45:46.780 and find out that your daughter shot you in the 00:45:46.780 --> 00:45:48.519 back of the head. That's rough. And the story 00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:50.780 of Christopher Lynn, I guess their landlord out 00:45:50.780 --> 00:45:54.440 in Vallejo, California. This guy was 80. He actually 00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.000 ended up. killing one of them because he, they 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:58.840 told them that there was a water leak in one 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:00.800 of the trailers. And when he came in, they struck 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:03.199 him in the head. They stabbed this poor man repeatedly 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:05.679 and left him impaled by a samurai sword, man, 00:46:06.019 --> 00:46:08.219 but he managed to shoot and kill one of them 00:46:08.219 --> 00:46:11.719 and a Borerian and he wounded another. But eventually 00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:14.579 after they killed that. Border Patrol agent. 00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:16.880 They went back and slit his throat a couple of 00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:18.920 years later, which is just really sad. Yeah. 00:46:19.099 --> 00:46:22.039 Now you see somebody that's killing a Border 00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.599 Patrol agent, a woman that allegedly killed her 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.659 mother and father in name of the cause. And you're 00:46:28.659 --> 00:46:30.900 seeing this group of people that killed their 00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:33.360 landlord when they were, as far as I understand 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:36.420 it, living in a box truck on his property during 00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:38.460 that time and written it. And I think at that 00:46:38.460 --> 00:46:41.239 point they had moved from a tugboat that they 00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.739 initially lived in Alaska. perhaps bought it 00:46:43.739 --> 00:46:46.019 in Alaska and moved it down to California, where 00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:48.099 they were living in these isolated communities. 00:46:48.300 --> 00:46:51.300 If that is not evil, and that's not cultism, 00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.019 and it's an ideology, they don't care. I think 00:46:54.019 --> 00:46:57.079 the murders of the parents occurred in Pennsylvania, 00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.000 and I don't think that there's no charges out 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.039 on this yet. She's out on the free, she's out 00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.880 on the loose. Ultimately, they're tied back to 00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:05.599 the Maryland incident, which I didn't get the 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:07.579 details on, but that's where Zizi actually got 00:47:07.579 --> 00:47:09.579 locked up in Maryland. Did you hear anything 00:47:09.579 --> 00:47:11.579 about where they finally got arrested? Yeah, 00:47:11.619 --> 00:47:13.460 Maryland. And I think the car was associated 00:47:13.460 --> 00:47:16.099 with the murder of the David Molland, I can't 00:47:16.099 --> 00:47:18.760 say his name, but the U .S. Border Patrol engine. 00:47:19.219 --> 00:47:20.760 And that's where they ended up finding them. 00:47:21.019 --> 00:47:22.920 Gotcha. Yeah. One of the things was trafficking 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:26.340 of firearms. Because she shot her parents with 00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:28.519 this firearms, they shot the border patrol with 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.500 the firearms, they started making it around in 00:47:31.500 --> 00:47:33.800 the cult community. Everybody's using the same 00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:35.780 gun to commit these homicides, which is very 00:47:35.780 --> 00:47:38.139 easy to connect somebody to a murder if you didn't 00:47:38.139 --> 00:47:40.719 know. Guns, regardless if it's a Glock, they 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:43.119 leave unique markings on shell casings and everything 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.900 else. We can trace them back. So they started 00:47:45.900 --> 00:47:49.070 going after them for fi - He's trafficking, making 00:47:49.070 --> 00:47:51.750 these straw purchases. Meaning that if you bought 00:47:51.750 --> 00:47:53.570 a gun for me and then handed it to me because 00:47:53.570 --> 00:47:55.210 I wasn't eligible to buy it, that's called a 00:47:55.210 --> 00:47:56.730 straw purchase. That's what they started going 00:47:56.730 --> 00:47:58.849 after him for. I don't know if ZZ was actually 00:47:58.849 --> 00:48:01.449 ever recovered with it, but at the end of the 00:48:01.449 --> 00:48:04.210 day, there's a whole lot of blood on their hands. 00:48:04.489 --> 00:48:07.150 Yeah. I don't even think Jack Z Lasota is even 00:48:07.150 --> 00:48:09.849 charged with murder. He's charged with like trafficking. 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.860 obstruction of justice, but that person hasn't 00:48:12.860 --> 00:48:14.500 been formally charged with murder yet. Yeah. 00:48:14.980 --> 00:48:17.420 You know, what's weird is, so as we get past 00:48:17.420 --> 00:48:19.699 the violence, which has just got awful, I feel 00:48:19.699 --> 00:48:22.719 bad for Malin as I was a former law enforcement 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.300 officer and he was just doing his job. We talk, 00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:27.500 a lot of people talk about the Canadian border. 00:48:27.659 --> 00:48:29.780 It's very low risk. Like when you're doing stops 00:48:29.780 --> 00:48:31.119 up there, you're not thinking about getting shot 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:32.820 in the face. It's usually the Mexican border 00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:36.260 or just a routine in some city around the United 00:48:36.260 --> 00:48:38.619 States. So I feel bad for him. Obviously I feel 00:48:38.619 --> 00:48:40.750 bad for the parents. There's so many people to 00:48:40.750 --> 00:48:44.469 feel bad for. And what we're seeing is this ideology 00:48:44.469 --> 00:48:47.849 impacting everything. This false God, people 00:48:47.849 --> 00:48:50.329 going crazy with their diet, everything's getting 00:48:50.329 --> 00:48:53.489 impacted. And in between there, not only are 00:48:53.489 --> 00:48:56.769 they going through sleep deprivation and calorie 00:48:56.769 --> 00:49:00.309 deficiency and this weirdo ideology, these people 00:49:00.309 --> 00:49:02.349 started living together too. As I talked about 00:49:02.349 --> 00:49:05.250 the tugboat and the box trucks, could you imagine 00:49:05.250 --> 00:49:08.070 living in these things? Like these small secluded 00:49:08.070 --> 00:49:09.750 areas who know where you use. restroom acts, 00:49:09.949 --> 00:49:11.829 there probably wasn't one one, and just living 00:49:11.829 --> 00:49:14.929 in these crazy little spaces and I think that 00:49:14.929 --> 00:49:17.369 even makes you a little bit crazier. Could you 00:49:17.369 --> 00:49:19.309 imagine going into your closet and that's where 00:49:19.309 --> 00:49:20.949 you're gonna... Dude, I feel sorry for the people 00:49:20.949 --> 00:49:23.590 that had their lives taken and I feel sorry for 00:49:23.590 --> 00:49:25.610 the people that were deceived. It's just another 00:49:25.610 --> 00:49:29.389 false prophet selling bad stories, man. Exactly. 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.980 It's techno religion, swap God for future AI 00:49:32.980 --> 00:49:35.880 and sin for the non -good. Righteousness measured 00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:39.400 by sacrifice. The AI is the judge motif, willing 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.260 to die for the good language or document and 00:49:42.260 --> 00:49:45.639 profiles. Philosophy weaponized. Decision theory, 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.199 heroic responsibility turned from thought experiments 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.900 into marching orders. You know, that generational 00:49:51.900 --> 00:49:55.960 fracture. Young, trans, non -binary, dim -skewed, 00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:59.699 coherent, illusion with institution. belonging 00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:03.179 in this consuming mission of standing up for, 00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:06.119 I don't know, debucatizing. And when rhetoric 00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.960 becomes dangerous, boats to blogs, to quirky, 00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:13.179 to guns, to dead landlords, to dead officers, 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.719 and to dead parents, this is a great American 00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.940 tragedy that's unfolding in front of us. It's 00:50:17.940 --> 00:50:20.980 the next Manson family that we're seeing. People 00:50:20.980 --> 00:50:24.059 are dying. So young people are dying for this 00:50:24.059 --> 00:50:27.699 false ideology. And I think when you start hopping 00:50:27.699 --> 00:50:30.539 people up on drugs and you start telling him 00:50:30.539 --> 00:50:32.300 every, you could be whatever you want to be. 00:50:32.579 --> 00:50:34.780 I think bad things come from it. Dude, I just, 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.420 for me personally, the story is just, it causes 00:50:37.420 --> 00:50:40.679 me concern because I think a lot of future cults 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.059 are going to pop up around AI, especially as 00:50:43.059 --> 00:50:45.340 AI gets more and more advanced. I think a lot 00:50:45.340 --> 00:50:48.460 of people now are being deceived by AI. I think 00:50:48.460 --> 00:50:50.800 if you get into certain discussions with AI, 00:50:51.070 --> 00:50:54.769 It denies Jesus. It may even confirm Jesus, but 00:50:54.769 --> 00:50:57.630 it always tries to alter the message. And this 00:50:57.630 --> 00:51:00.070 is, it's an interesting time to be alive, especially 00:51:00.070 --> 00:51:02.409 with all this new technology floating around. 00:51:02.449 --> 00:51:05.500 And we talked about Bluebeam. Eventually AI and 00:51:05.500 --> 00:51:08.420 with 6G, back in the day, it said, believe none 00:51:08.420 --> 00:51:10.320 of what you hear, only half of what you know, 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:11.840 you can't believe what you're hearing. It's really 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:14.099 important for people to root themselves in something 00:51:14.099 --> 00:51:16.559 sustainable like Christ and ask for that wisdom 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.480 and discernment. But my biggest fear is that 00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.139 this AI cult stuff is just the beginning. I guarantee 00:51:22.139 --> 00:51:24.760 you 10, 20, 30, 40 years, you're going to see 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:26.579 religions build around it. It's a hundred percent 00:51:26.579 --> 00:51:30.630 the beginning. We always see the start. This 00:51:30.630 --> 00:51:33.489 is obviously, it's small. Like it's micro at 00:51:33.489 --> 00:51:35.650 this juncture. Who knows how many people are 00:51:35.650 --> 00:51:38.230 influenced online. I have seen people on Reddit. 00:51:38.250 --> 00:51:40.230 I belonged as easy. Ask me any questions that 00:51:40.230 --> 00:51:41.849 you want. So there's probably, there's definitely 00:51:41.849 --> 00:51:44.610 more members out there that are influenced by 00:51:44.610 --> 00:51:48.309 this, but AI is the next big thing. And if you 00:51:48.309 --> 00:51:50.690 treat it like a tool, I think you're okay. If 00:51:50.690 --> 00:51:53.449 you treat it like a God, you're in a whole world 00:51:53.449 --> 00:51:56.489 of trouble. And a lot of people are. and we're 00:51:56.489 --> 00:51:58.829 seeing some Christians going down the wrong pathway. 00:51:59.210 --> 00:52:00.969 I don't know if you saw this. I think it was 00:52:00.969 --> 00:52:04.610 in Finland where the church did an entire sermon 00:52:04.610 --> 00:52:08.329 without a preacher in the church where AI gave 00:52:08.329 --> 00:52:10.610 the testimony of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 00:52:11.570 --> 00:52:14.590 Have you seen that? It's very dangerous because 00:52:14.590 --> 00:52:18.210 now you're trusting a machine. to reiterate the 00:52:18.210 --> 00:52:21.250 gospel. And what we know and what I know, because 00:52:21.250 --> 00:52:24.570 I use AI as a tool in my business is that it 00:52:24.570 --> 00:52:26.849 has something called hallucinations. Meaning 00:52:26.849 --> 00:52:29.369 that at some point, even if you tell it the right 00:52:29.369 --> 00:52:31.650 things and you tell it what to say, it's going 00:52:31.650 --> 00:52:34.269 to make up facts because it goes off that LLM 00:52:34.269 --> 00:52:38.170 pathway. And it only takes micro changes to the 00:52:38.170 --> 00:52:42.679 gospel to send you to hell. In my opinion, God's 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:44.599 not the ultimate pathway. You just be a good 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.360 person. By your works, you could get to heaven. 00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:48.519 No, you can't get to heaven by your works. We 00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:51.159 result on a God that has died and cleansed us. 00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:53.900 It's their faith, not their works. But what happens 00:52:53.900 --> 00:52:55.920 if it changes it and it makes people fall away? 00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:57.860 I think that's the world we're getting into. 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.159 What we see with this phenoline case where AI 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:03.019 is coming and it's becoming more natural and 00:53:03.019 --> 00:53:05.199 people are relying on it and people are going 00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.099 crazy. You were telling me this story just the 00:53:07.099 --> 00:53:09.739 other week where a kid committed suicide. because 00:53:09.739 --> 00:53:13.260 he was like using AI as their counselor and stuff. 00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.619 So it's coming, man. And we got to be prepared. 00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.619 It's okay if you use it as a tool for your business 00:53:19.619 --> 00:53:23.000 or what have you to help automation. But if you 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:26.699 start relying on it as a gossip or as a deity, 00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.760 you better watch out because God and Christ is 00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:32.820 returning. And I hope that's not what you're 00:53:32.820 --> 00:53:34.820 relying on when he does. Yeah. It's all about 00:53:34.820 --> 00:53:38.409 deception, man. AI has access to trillions of 00:53:38.409 --> 00:53:40.789 terabytes of data. And if anything, it probably 00:53:40.789 --> 00:53:42.949 knows how to manipulate the human psyche and 00:53:42.949 --> 00:53:45.389 how to nudge us. You see it when your social 00:53:45.389 --> 00:53:47.489 media, like there's stuff you don't want to look 00:53:47.489 --> 00:53:50.690 at and it slowly slaps up on your algorithm to 00:53:50.690 --> 00:53:53.230 give you that nudge, nudge your ship that direction 00:53:53.230 --> 00:53:54.949 and slowly over time, you're not going to be 00:53:54.949 --> 00:53:56.289 at your destination. You're going to be somewhere 00:53:56.289 --> 00:54:00.480 completely different. So what do you think? are 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.260 the takeaways for our conversation today. Obviously, 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:06.579 I don't know, you tell me. I have my beliefs 00:54:06.579 --> 00:54:08.880 that this is a cult, but you tell me, what are 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.260 your takeaways of ZZ, and what are your hopes 00:54:12.260 --> 00:54:15.699 that we will learn from this event in a positive 00:54:15.699 --> 00:54:18.579 way and not go down the wrong track? Yeah. What 00:54:18.579 --> 00:54:21.219 I think, I think is 100 % a cult. I think you 00:54:21.219 --> 00:54:23.460 have a lot of people that are hanging out on 00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:25.480 the fringes of society or looking for leadership. 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:28.050 And if you get somebody who likes... to be in 00:54:28.050 --> 00:54:31.150 a position of power who gets off on manipulation 00:54:31.150 --> 00:54:33.849 and wielding that power. You're going to end 00:54:33.849 --> 00:54:36.480 up with people that are going to give you. bad 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.039 philosophies, in this case, bad religion, and 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:40.500 they're going to manipulate you. And I think 00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:41.860 at the end of the day, I sound like a broken 00:54:41.860 --> 00:54:44.500 record, but I don't care. You have to root yourself 00:54:44.500 --> 00:54:48.099 in God's word, ask for discernment, ask for wisdom, 00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.539 study the word, pray, seek Jesus. He will help 00:54:51.539 --> 00:54:53.699 you. He will give you discernment. He will give 00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:55.579 you wisdom. A lot of this could have been avoided 00:54:55.579 --> 00:54:58.800 if some of these members use that. Amen, brother. 00:54:59.019 --> 00:55:02.579 I think my takeaway is first and foremost, rest 00:55:02.579 --> 00:55:05.500 in peace to the victims. I hope you know my - 00:55:05.420 --> 00:55:07.679 Lord and Savior Christ so that you're in the 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.219 right place when your judgment comes. But I think 00:55:10.219 --> 00:55:12.880 ultimately, as we close this episode, I think 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:16.480 I want to take a step back and look at all this 00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.380 through my Christian worldview. What we've talked 00:55:19.380 --> 00:55:22.380 about tonight, the Zizians, their obsession with 00:55:22.380 --> 00:55:25.539 remaking themselves, their worship of philosophy 00:55:25.539 --> 00:55:28.679 and even artificial intelligence, their demand 00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.940 for sacrifice and suffering. I think it all shows 00:55:31.940 --> 00:55:35.039 what happens when people search for ultimate 00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.139 meaning outside of God. They were hungry for 00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:40.760 the truth, for belonging, for a way to overcome 00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:44.599 the brokenness they saw in our world. But I think 00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:48.179 instead of finding life, they built a system 00:55:48.179 --> 00:55:51.960 of death. What we see in John 14, six, Jesus 00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:54.480 says this, I am the way, the truth and the life. 00:55:54.619 --> 00:55:57.599 No one comes to the father except for me. The 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:02.320 Zizians looked to AI, I think to self experimentation. 00:56:02.670 --> 00:56:05.829 to violent sacrifice as their way. But to me, 00:56:05.969 --> 00:56:09.750 what scripture tells us is the way is a person 00:56:09.750 --> 00:56:12.429 who was called Christ, not a philosophy, not 00:56:12.429 --> 00:56:15.090 a theory, not some future machine. Christianity 00:56:15.090 --> 00:56:19.050 also speaks to their obsession with the good 00:56:19.050 --> 00:56:21.869 versus the non -good. In their eyes, people were 00:56:21.869 --> 00:56:25.250 divided into two camps, those worthy and those 00:56:25.250 --> 00:56:27.690 to be punished. But to me, the gospel says something 00:56:27.690 --> 00:56:30.639 different. And I think about Romans 3 .23. It 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:33.199 reminds all of us. All have sinned and all have 00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:36.000 fallen short of the glory of God. None of us 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.639 are good in ourselves. The dividing line isn't 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:40.900 between us and them. It runs through every human 00:56:40.900 --> 00:56:43.239 heart. And the answer isn't punishment, but grace. 00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:45.719 So if there's anything to take away from this 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:48.699 story, it's that human attempts to play God, 00:56:48.980 --> 00:56:51.300 whether through cults, ideology, or even technology, 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.380 always ends in destruction. But God's way, through 00:56:54.380 --> 00:56:57.099 Christ, leads to life, reconciliation, and real 00:56:57.099 --> 00:56:59.539 hope. And to me, that's the real contrast. The 00:56:59.539 --> 00:57:02.440 Zizians build a worldview that demanded blood 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.179 and Christ proclaims God who shed his own blood 00:57:06.179 --> 00:57:08.539 to save us. One system takes life, the other 00:57:08.539 --> 00:57:10.699 gives it. And that's the truth worth holding 00:57:10.699 --> 00:57:13.500 onto. Jesus said, man, for my yoke is easy and 00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:15.860 my burden is light. You don't have to do all 00:57:15.860 --> 00:57:18.539 that crazy stuff like Ziz wanted you to. But 00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:21.119 yeah, I'll end my part with what I say every 00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.920 week, man. Jesus love you. We love you. I love 00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:25.900 you, brother. Love you, brother. We love you 00:57:25.900 --> 00:57:29.179 guys. Subscribe, comment on our content. Tell 00:57:29.179 --> 00:57:30.820 us what you want to hear next. We're happy to 00:57:30.820 --> 00:57:32.800 talk about anything. Come on our show. We'll 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.199 have some fun. We'll kick it, have good conversation. 00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:54.010 But until then, we'll see you next week. You've 00:57:54.010 --> 00:57:57.789 been listening to Zero Sigma. We're out. This 00:57:57.789 --> 00:58:00.889 episode is supported by Clear Protein. 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