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code ZERO SIGNAL. Fuel your day the healthier

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way. A show about what they won't say and what

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you're probably already thinking. No fluff, no

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filters, no bullshit. Let's crack it open. Most

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people think of space as empty and predictable,

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but ever so often, something appears that forces

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us to look again. Tonight on Zero Signal, we're

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digging into two names, equal parts science and

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conspiracy theory. Atlas and Planet X. First,

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3I Atlas means it's only the third interstellar

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object we've ever confirmed after the famous

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Oahu and Borisov. It discovered this summer by

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a sky survey telescope in Chile. It's racing

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through our solar system at more than 130 miles

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per hour. Its orbit is hyperbolic, meaning it

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isn't bound to our sun at all. It came from the

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deep galaxy, and in just a few months, it will

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whip past the sun and head back into our interstellar

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space forever. Early images suggest it isn't

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just a rock. It has a faint comma and tail -like

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common, but with a chemical profile unlike anything.

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we've seen before. The James Webb's telescope

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shows is extremely rich in CO2, about eight times

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more than water, making it possibly older than

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our solar system itself. Some scientists see

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this as a priceless opportunity to study material

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born around another star. But Harvard astrophysicist

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Avi Loeb has raised a sharper question. He points

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out to a near perfect trajectory, passing close

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to multiple planets with odds he calls astronomically

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slim. He notes its glow seems to appear at the

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front of the object rather than behind it like

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a normal comet's tail. To Lueb, Atlas might not

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just be a frozen gas. It could be evidence of

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design. Then there's Planet X. Historically,

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it began as a 20th century hunt for a missing

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world beyond Neptune, a search that accidentally

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led to Pluto. In modern astronomy, the name has

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been reborn as Planet Nine. a possible giant

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world 5 to 10 times Earth's mass. That might

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explain why distant, copier -belt objects have

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strangely clustered orbits. No one's seen it

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yet, but the debate continues. In a conspiracy

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culture, Planet X has another identity, the infamous

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Nuburu, a hidden planet tied to a Sumerian mist,

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end -of -world predictions, and doomsday warnings

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that go viral every few years. So tonight, we're

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pulling these threads together. An interstellar

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visitor we can actually track in a shadowy world

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that might or might not exist on the far edge

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of our solar system. Jay, when you hear stories

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like these, one proven by direct observations,

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but hinting at something stranger, the other

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lingering on the border between science and myth,

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what's your first instinct? Are we looking at

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discoveries waiting to be explained or stories

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designed to keep us guessing? Yeah, brother.

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That's a good question. The more I look at this

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and I look at the players and some of their backgrounds

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and this whole Atlas comet interstellar object,

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the more I think it's just a story to distract

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us. It is fun to kind of look at the fact that

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this thing is I think roughly the size of Manhattan,

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give or take, and it's traveling at an interstellar

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velocity. I had to look up what an interstellar

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velocity is. Essentially, it's a velocity where

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it can override the escape velocity of the sun.

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So essentially, It's moving so fast that as it

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approaches you can whip on by and shoot right

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back out of our solar system and go. to wherever

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God intended it to go. I find this character,

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Avi Loeb, pretty interesting. So he was born

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in February 26th, 1962, not that's important.

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He's 63 years old. He's an Israeli American theoretical

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physicist who works in astrophysics. So he's

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a, of all things, a professor of science at Harvard.

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So this guy has some pretty legit credentials

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and he makes some pretty fantastic claims, which

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is the reason I think. This is probably getting

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a lot more attention than it otherwise would.

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I know he made some pretty fantastical claims

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about Oomoa. He claims that it was powered by

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a solar sail, which essentially captures light

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and solar energy from the sun to compel whatever

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object it's attached to across the universe.

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So I just want to get to the premise, the thesis

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of his argument. He thinks that Oomoa... and

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that this three -eye atlas are interstellar probes,

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possibly from another alien civilization, maybe

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transport? from an alien civilization. And one

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of the theories is that they've hollowed out

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an asteroid to make it blend in. So if an observer

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from a different planet would see it, they would

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just chalk it off as some sort of natural phenomenon

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from rocks just shooting out of other galaxies

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and solar systems. I think it is interesting

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that there's lights projecting out of the front

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of it. But in my mind, the limited understanding

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I have of comets and asteroids is that once they

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get into start getting next to stars, that they

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start to heat up and gases start to expand and

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water starts to melt. So that light could be

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any sort of mineral, any sort of element that's

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starting to heat up and actually projecting light.

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So I think he draws some pretty outrageous conclusions

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to get attention, to sell his books. And we think

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later we can get into some of his writings and

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some of the outrageous claims. And if we kind

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of want to point someone that's back to Bluebeam,

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I think we can. probably draw those conclusions.

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Yeah. So I agree with you. I am not an expert

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in outer space or any of the things that go on

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in the cosmos. What I am an expert in is people

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and people that perhaps may have a reason to

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persuade you to their opinion. One of the things

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we know about Avi Loeb Is the fact that he's

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made this claim about a momo in the past. He

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said it was a solar cell alien object that was

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coming towards earth. During that time when he

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made those claims, shortly after he published

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a book where he said our first contact with aliens

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and he made a whole lot of money off of that

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book because people were interested in the topic.

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That kind of gives me some inclination of his

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motivation for making these claims. Now we do

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have this object that's sailing through the metaphor.

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metaphorical cosmos that's making its way to

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earth. We know it's a five to seven miles wide.

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And when you look at some of these photographs,

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they're putting off some, what I almost looks

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like Christmas lights photos, like they're multicolored,

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they're red, they're green, they're yellow, and

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they're cascading around. And it looks very exciting

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as you look at these photographs. Obviously the

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remainder of the scientific community is very

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excited about the opportunity to see an object

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that they may never see again. in their lifetime.

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What it reminds me of though, when we talk about

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CO2 and the concentration of most ice, like off

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-gassing from this unknown object that's traveling

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across our universe, as an untrained person doesn't

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know anything about the cosmos, but I do know

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how rainbows work. It's the diffusion of light,

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meaning that when you look through light, through

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a water, much once you have a rain shower and

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that rain shower passed, but there's still some

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water in the air, you see a rainbow effect that

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occurs. I wonder if we're seeing, when we see

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those images, is it starlight? Is it sunlight

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that's reflecting through this ice that's melting

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on this object, passing through our cosmos that

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are given it all these fantastical colors that

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we see, which I think is very possible. Again,

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I don't know what's going on up there, but I

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do think it's very possible. But as a person

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that specializes in reading folks and I've done

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homicide investigations, we always look at the

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motivation of why people are making these claims.

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And to me, it seems like Avi has. a whole lot

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of reasons to make claims that it's going to

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be first contact with aliens. And I almost wonder

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before this thing comes, is he going to come

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out with another book? Yeah. The guy has a pretty

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distinguishing. Some of his accolades is he was

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the director of the Institute for Theory and

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Computation at the Center of Astrophysics. That's

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a hard thing to do. He chaired the Department

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of Astronomy from 2011 to 2020. And he founded

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the Black Hole Initiative back in 2016. I can

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read through all of his accolades and all of

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his badges, if you would. He also made this claim.

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So there are was a supposed impact by, I think,

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an asteroid or comet. Now this name is bizarre.

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It's mostly just alphanumeric. So it's C -N -E

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-O -S two thousand. So this thing apparently

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crashed into the ocean and he claimed that he

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was able to get a team together and retrieve

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parts of this comet from. the seabed and he found

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like spheres and he claims these spheres were

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part of an alien spacecraft and how he found

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it on the ocean floor. I don't know how, unless

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somebody is visually tracking it and they're

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able to plot the coordinates. I don't know, pinpoint

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something in a vast ocean. Like ships sink in

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the ocean and we can't find them. But he claimed

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to found some spheres and claimed they were part

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of an alien starship. At this point, I'm thinking

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of advanced alien technology. So was this like

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a derelict ship that he claims that just randomly

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crashed on the planet Earth? Were the people

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on it dead? There's so many different things

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that make no sense to me. I find it a bizarre

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story and I try to look for pictures of these

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spheres. I'm sure they could be made by natural

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phenomena. Or he could have just randomly found

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some junk from ships or containers that when

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he dredged the ocean floor, this came up. So

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I found that to be a somewhat interesting fact

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about him. Yeah, I think we can make an entire

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show on all the kooks that are over at Harvard.

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Yeah, true. But it's interesting he comes out

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with it. And I'm not trying to discredit the

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man, because I'm sure he's very smart and very

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well regarded in his field. And I'm not trying

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to disparage him in any way. But the rest of

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the scientific community does not agree with

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him or his analysis of this object that's flying

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through our sky right now. I was digging around

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on research and trying to find what people think

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is actually occurring. Because at the end of

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the day, it's really interesting. This is only

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the third interstellar object that's transitioned

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our solar system since recorded time for us,

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that we've observed. One of the theories that

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came out of the Christian community that kind

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of spin into conspiracy circles is they wonder

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if it's warm wood. Have you heard of warm wood?

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Yeah, it's the thing that's supposed to crash

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into the oceans and make them uninhabitable.

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Yeah, so a lot of them think that perhaps this

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is the object that's going to do it. Like they

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theorize that it's going to... come out of nowhere,

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people are not going to understand what's going

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to happen. It's going to crash into earth and

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it's going to poison our waters and our wells.

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And it's going to kill off a lot of people. And

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I don't know if that's reality or not, but I

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do know our clock is slowly ticking forward to

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the world. I think that much can be proven. We're

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walking towards that way. That's potentially

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one possibility. Yeah. So the reason I don't

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believe that. is because Jesus says, nobody knows

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the time or date, only the Father does. If you

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can observe an interstellar object, you can make

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calculations as to when, like roughly when warm

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wood or the comet's going to impact the earth.

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I honestly think that warm wood is going to be

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something that we don't see. We have no clue

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it's coming and it's just going to hit us out

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of the blue. But no, I can understand how people

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could draw that conclusion and put those threads

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on the old investigation board. It does make

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sense, but I toss that out just with my biblical

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viewpoint. Sure. Yeah. I think I do as well.

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And I heard some rumors that he was part of the

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first Star Wars initiative. Do you know anything

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about that? Yeah. So it was a bit eye opening

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to see this. So from 1983 to 1988, he led the

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first international project supported by the

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US Strategic Defense Initiative. So essentially

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what that is is like the Star Wars program. Back

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in the early 80s, Reagan commissioned the quote

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unquote Star Wars program to help track and defend

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against ballistic nuclear missiles. So again,

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we're pointing back to this guy who is obviously

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on the high end of the IQ spectrum. And he knows

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what he's talking about in terms of astrophysics,

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physics in general. He got his PhD in physics

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in 1986 from the Hebrew university of Jerusalem.

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He's not some kook standing on the side of the

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road yelling the world's going to end tomorrow.

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But I do question. some of his conclusion. And

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we can talk more about that as we walk through

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this 3i Atlas situation. So another interesting

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thing is that this comet is supposed to be closest

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to Earth on December 19th, 2025. So it's roughly

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going to be 165 million miles away from Earth.

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So essentially what's happening is rocking past

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the planets, going past Mars. It's going to go

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past the sun because of the way we orbit, and

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it's going to slingshot around the sun and then

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come back. toward earth and project or propel

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outside the galaxy again. So I think sometime

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in October, November going to be hidden by the

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sun. So they're not going to be able to observe

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it. I did listen to an interesting podcast with

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Avi talking directly and he raised the concern

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that since they can't observe it because the

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sun can, the sun's gravitational pull and it's

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factual can speed this comment up and light particles,

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according to him, and I don't know if this is

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pseudoscience or legit science, but light particles

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are very tiny and they can over time affect the

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trajectory of the comet. So he was suggesting

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that there could be a possibility that given

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the current projections of this comet's travel

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that Right now, the calculation is saying it's

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going to pass 167 million miles away. But he's

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saying if something happens on the back end,

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the sun's gravity pulls it a little too far,

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maybe light particles push it a little too far

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out. 167 million miles is a joke in terms of

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space. That's someone swinging a fist at you

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and they're missing by like a millimeter in terms

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of perspective. This thing is close in terms

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of interstellar solar objects. So kind of fanning

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the flames of fear there is suggesting that we

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don't know what kind of effect the sun's gravity

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these light particles are going to have. and

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this thing could slingshot around and slam right

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in the earth. Which sounds scary. Absolutely.

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One of the things I got into an interesting conversation

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on Reddit the other day in reference to this

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topic. And some people said, what if Avi actually

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doesn't believe that this object is an alien

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spacecraft? What if he's just saying that so

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he can divert resources, convince people to divert

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resources to observe it? Because at the end of

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the day, it's still really interesting. Like

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it's something that's coming outside of our galaxy

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and passing through. And we should take the opportunity

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to potentially make new discoveries, see what's.

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occurring. I was thinking if I was trying to

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convince somebody, give them something irrational

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to focus on the rational. And I wonder if perhaps

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that's what he's doing. Trying to convince the

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US government, convince NASA, perhaps SpaceX,

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depending on what assets they have in the area,

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to focus all their time and attention on this

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object so that they can photograph it and video

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it and hopefully just see something really interesting,

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even if it's not. alien in nature passing through.

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Yeah. So in this podcast I listened to, he was

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trying to actually convince someone in Congress

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to convince the powers that be to divert, guess

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it's a telescope kind of close to Jupiter. So

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what he wants to do, assuming he doesn't crash

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and crash on earth and kill us all like the dinosaurs,

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he wants to, when it flies back out of our solar

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system past Jupiter, he wants to divert one of

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the telescopes, the satellite telescopes out

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there. can try to start moving it now so it can

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get in its path and be within a couple million

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miles of it by the time it comes back, I guess

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at that point in time, it'd be sometime in 2026.

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So he's actually involving congressmen and women

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and trying to get them to talk to the powers

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that be to use the equipment to get a better

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look at it. I just kind of want to go through

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a little bit of some of the facts about this,

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this 3i Atlas. So it was discovered not too long

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ago, July 1st of 25. So we're talking a couple

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of months at this point. Right now it's traveling

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at 137 miles per hour, which is fast. Apparently

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it's the fastest interstellar object that they

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have observed that has entered into our solar

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system. And the crazy thing about it is that

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as it gets closer to the sun, they projected

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max velocity is going to be 152 ,000 miles an

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hour. So this thing is speeding up. at a pretty

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significant rate. I don't know a ton about astrophysics

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and the effect that the sun can have on something.

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It's roughly adding almost 20 ,000 miles an hour

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as it approaches the sun. I'd be curious to see

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how that affects the trajectory when it comes

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out from the backside of the sun sometime in

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November. Yeah, it's hard to say because I'm

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not an expert in this stuff. I view it from a

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theoretical perspective. I view it from a Christian

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lens of how I observe the world. It always makes

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me get into a deeper conversation, despite whatever

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Avi's talking about, what the other scientists

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are talking about. It's what's actually out there.

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What did God create beyond our known systems?

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Because he talks about creating the stars and

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the moon and the sun come from somewhere. I never

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really thought about beyond our known creation.

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I always wonder, where the heck is this stuff

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actually coming from? How big is actually space?

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I don't think anybody actually knows. A lot of

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people say it's endless. And as our human minds,

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at least my human mind says, nothing can be.

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endless, at some point it has to end out there

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somewhere. So I always wonder, do you have any

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thoughts on that? What's beyond it? What are

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we looking at? I know scientists say a whole

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lot of stuff and most people in human, at least

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in our human culture is, hey, they can't even

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come to a conclusion if the earth is round or

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flat. Like what's beyond those cosmos? Like where's

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this thing actually coming from? Yeah. So I think

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those people, the flat earthers would say space

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is fake, which I don't believe. It's interesting

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you said that people say space is endless. So

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if you look at mainstream science and physicist,

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the universe is constantly expanding. As time

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progresses, the theory is this massive whatever

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exploded and shoots out in all directions. So

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scientists claim that this velocity is actually

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gaining speed, so the universe is expanding faster

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and faster. So that's why they claim space is

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endless, because eventually, the theory is that

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as it expands, planets will be further and further

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apart, solar systems will start to rip apart.

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Eventually, everything will die, which I don't

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believe. But that is the premise of that theory.

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To me, it's just God's never done creating. He's

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still working in our lives, creating things,

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making things magical that are way beyond our

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comprehension that we will never know until our

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final days. But I think there's probably a limit

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to our human understanding of what's going on.

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And I wonder what God's plan is when he throws

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these curiosities into our path that we have

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to analyze and project and think about. I almost

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wonder, and this may sound crazy, so bear with

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me here for a second. Crazy brother, let's do

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it. I almost wonder is things like this almost

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seem demonic to me. Meaning that if we think

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back to biblical times, we think about the tower

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of Babel. The tower grew so tall that God broke

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it down. And that's where we got our world languages.

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Like he separated people so that they could focus

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their attention back on God. To me, this asteroid

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feels like a distraction of what we should be

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thinking about. versus what we are thinking about.

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So it may be an alien spacecraft or it may be

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a hunk of rock. I feel like it's distracting

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people during a time in our world that we can't

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really afford to be distracted at this time.

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Yeah. So I think this is a good segue to talk

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about some of the key conspiracy theories about

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3I Atlas. So Loeb, in his paper, he suggested

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that it's a hostile alien probe or scout ship.

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So he questions if this is hostile tech in disguise,

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this trajectory allows easy access to earth.

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speculate that it's waking up as it nears Mars

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because I think that's when they started... Noting

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the glowing tail as an activation signal. Some

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tie it to an upcoming U S congressional UAP hearing

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a September 9th, 2025, which at this point that

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will already happen. No, that's tomorrow claiming

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it will expose an alien presence. Some of the

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other variants is that it's going to end up releasing

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many pro as it passes 165 million miles from

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earth is release many probes that hit the earth

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or it's going to. So this is a funny one. It's

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going to release ghostly orbs. What that means.

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I don't know. Some people claim. in these Hubble

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images that there's alien drones trailing this

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comet. Experts dismiss it as dust or just fragments

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of this comet that's blowing off, melting off

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as it travels. These things are always weird.

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Do you remember, and I don't have the reference

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in front of me, so I'm going to talk in generalities

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here, but way back in the day, there was this

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group of people that drank the magic juice. They

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all got together. Are you talking about Heaven's

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Gate? That's right. Heaven's Gate. And I think

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it was Haley's Comet. The combo passes through

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our solar system. Yeah. And they all drank the

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secret juice and everybody died, except for maybe

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one person that reported it during that time.

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It always seems that we have these weird things

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that occur when things fly through our solar

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system. Yeah, dude, that was crazy because they

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thought Lace Comet was a spacecraft and they

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thought that it was, I don't know. I should have

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done more research on that. I didn't even think

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about Haley's, the heavens gate people until

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you brought it up, but essentially. They thought

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as Haley's comment was coming and you could see

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it in the sky, they had to drink this juice to

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commit suicide so they could like beam themselves

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up to this mothership. But ridiculous theories.

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It's crazy what people can convince themselves

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of. Kind of, kind of want to circle back to your

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point about you said, you think some of this

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might be demonic or whatever, but it is interesting.

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Like the star of Bethlehem that announced Jesus's

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birth. That's how the three wise men found him.

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And I think God does use. He does use signs in

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the heavens to set off and announce major events.

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And just like Wormwood, we talked about Wormwood

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a little bit. That's going to be something from

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the heavens that's going to smash into the planet

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and cause devastation and revelation. I don't

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necessarily know if it's demonic per se, but

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I do think God uses celestial events to announce

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big things, which is interesting. What do you

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think about it? It's almost scary. Because we

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see the way the world is crumbling apart when

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we talk about AI, when we talk about the words

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that are occurring right now, when we talk about

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all the evil and devastation that's just attacking

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our beings and attacking our world together.

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And it doesn't seem like we have a clear upward

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trajectory as a society of people that's going

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to go in a good direction. We talk a lot about,

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I worry about the future that my son's going

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to grow up in. Little kid now, but I - what the

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world's going to look like in 20 years. I feel

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like a lot of people probably said that when

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World War II was going on, we're just fighting

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a different type of war now. That's between powers

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and principalities and guns and knives. But it

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also makes me think about a topic that we talked

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about prior, which was Project Blue Beam. And

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how could this be used against us to exact greater

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control over society? You want to get back to

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Project Blue Beam. He made an interesting comment

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back in 2024 and he claimed And it is his viewpoint

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that the Messiah will be an alien from outer

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space, which ties directly back to project Blooming.

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Yeah. A hundred percent. If something happens,

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God just created something. He's pushing the

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meteor through the sky. But what if you have

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somebody really smart, like Elon Musk or some

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of these techie guys that take advantage of this

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situation. In October, they're going to be actually

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taking photographs of this comment. And with

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all the AI and all of this creation that we're

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seeing, how could you spin it and make it look

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like something that is actually not? Dude, so

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it's my opinion. If, you know, this thing was

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really going to hit Earth, and if it really was

00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:31.859
alien technology, we wouldn't know about it until

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the last minute. So at this point, we've had

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plenty of July to now is not all that long. But

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I really think It's my belief that the elites

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and the government knew that this was an alien

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craft coming or it was going to hit the earth.

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They would all be going down to their bunkers

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right now and they would tell us two days before

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it happened because they don't need us to panic.

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They don't need us to raid their bunkers or try

00:24:52.779 --> 00:24:54.880
to find them or try to go out in the streets

00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:56.700
looting and rioting. If something like this is

00:24:56.700 --> 00:24:58.920
going to happen, trust me, you'll get 48 hours

00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:00.920
notice and they're all going to be tucked away

00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:02.759
and safe and not worried about what's going to

00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:05.400
happen to you. Yeah. So man, it's crazy stuff.

00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.660
Do you know? about any other conspiracy theories

00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:12.019
connected to this? Yeah, so I think not too long

00:25:12.019 --> 00:25:13.299
ago, it's funny how we're on the same wavelength.

00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.839
You mentioned something about distraction. So

00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.720
one of the theories that was presented was that

00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:20.839
some claimed this was an announcement to distract

00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.839
from scandals like the Jeffrey Epstein file release.

00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:27.119
Others alleged NASA... Observatories are downplaying

00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.319
to avoid panic. Again, point back to your distraction

00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:34.740
thing. Loeb has faced some, any backlash with

00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:36.660
his theories. And I don't even want to get into

00:25:36.660 --> 00:25:39.339
that because I don't agree with all that. The

00:25:39.339 --> 00:25:42.980
main one was that this kind of appeared and was

00:25:42.980 --> 00:25:45.759
made such a big, it's a mainstream news story.

00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:47.779
It's not hard to find any information out about

00:25:47.779 --> 00:25:50.319
it, but it released right around the time that

00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:52.930
Trump was saying there's no. obscene files. Again,

00:25:52.930 --> 00:25:55.230
don't look over here, go look over there. This

00:25:55.230 --> 00:25:57.250
is cool. This could be dangerous. Maybe not,

00:25:57.410 --> 00:25:59.650
but it's still interesting to look at and forget

00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:02.170
about this file release. A distraction. Whether

00:26:02.170 --> 00:26:04.789
it's a large scale or a small scale, it very

00:26:04.789 --> 00:26:07.190
well could be a distraction. In a day, it works.

00:26:07.269 --> 00:26:09.589
It is super interesting to figure out what's

00:26:09.589 --> 00:26:11.769
actually going to happen. My eyes drained on

00:26:11.769 --> 00:26:13.890
what are these October photographs really going

00:26:13.890 --> 00:26:16.130
to show us about this object? Because though

00:26:16.130 --> 00:26:18.970
I am of the personal lens that it's not an alien

00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:21.019
spacecraft, I still think it's some something

00:26:21.019 --> 00:26:24.119
we've never seen before, at least in that trajectory

00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:26.680
and that phase of it. So I don't know. I think

00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:28.819
it's pretty cool to think about. Yeah. So another

00:26:28.819 --> 00:26:31.519
conspiracy theory is that this is a decoy or

00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.000
terraforming tech from advanced aliens. So Loeb

00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:35.880
and his collaborators suggest aliens might use

00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.680
natural looking comments. We touched on this

00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.440
near the beginning of the episode. They take

00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:41.839
these comments and they use them as decoy for

00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.299
stealth operations. Like I said before, if you

00:26:44.299 --> 00:26:45.940
were to observe it, you just see a rock flying

00:26:45.940 --> 00:26:47.640
through space. You're like, cool, happens all

00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.339
the time. Let's not worry about it. Two theories

00:26:51.339 --> 00:26:54.720
is that crafts are hiding behind the dust trail

00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:58.180
or that they terraform these asteroids. So they

00:26:58.180 --> 00:27:00.579
essentially, they gut them out. They create their

00:27:00.579 --> 00:27:03.700
living spaces and they add engines and what have

00:27:03.700 --> 00:27:07.039
you in order to. blend in with other space rocks.

00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:10.299
I always go back to what he said. He goes, some

00:27:10.299 --> 00:27:14.460
in the UFO research community speculate that

00:27:14.460 --> 00:27:17.920
three eye Atlas, it could be a scout probe sent

00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.019
deliberately into our system. And the reasoning

00:27:21.019 --> 00:27:24.859
here is it's large, highly reflective and came

00:27:24.859 --> 00:27:27.519
on a trajectory that looks almost, the unusual

00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.619
CO2 composition is also treated by believers

00:27:30.619 --> 00:27:34.200
as a cloaking device, a disguise that makes it

00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.000
look. naturalist scientist while being something

00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.079
else entirely. Which kind of reminds me of Star

00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:40.680
Trek or Star Wars, which you're going to see

00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:42.880
out there, but we know that technology, at least

00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.359
in our universe, doesn't exist. But as you usually

00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:47.940
say, it seems very fantastical that these things

00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:50.480
would come through and it's cloaked and has the

00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:52.480
shields up and they're going to shoot probes

00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.480
out. It just doesn't even seem realistic to me,

00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:57.940
even in the realm of possibility. Yeah. Like

00:27:57.940 --> 00:28:00.160
the ultimate conspiracy, which is the one I lean

00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.799
toward is that it's not an alien. It's just a

00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.509
hoax of self fear. I think that's what it is.

00:28:05.869 --> 00:28:08.250
We see like Zacharias Stitchen when we touch

00:28:08.250 --> 00:28:11.529
on Planet X later today. That man became world

00:28:11.529 --> 00:28:15.230
famous with his theories about Nibiru, the Adi

00:28:15.230 --> 00:28:17.730
-Naki. You can't watch a show, an alien show

00:28:17.730 --> 00:28:20.210
without Zacharias Stitchen being mentioned. Discovery

00:28:20.210 --> 00:28:22.809
Channel, Ancient Aliens. Every book, just about

00:28:22.809 --> 00:28:25.009
every podcast you listen to about aliens, that

00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:27.730
man's name comes up. So I almost think Loeb is

00:28:27.730 --> 00:28:30.730
trying to tap into that. conspiracy, don't trust

00:28:30.730 --> 00:28:33.109
your government, don't trust what you're being

00:28:33.109 --> 00:28:35.690
told. And ultimately it's meant to sell books,

00:28:35.890 --> 00:28:38.809
man. And it's meant to tap into that kind of

00:28:38.809 --> 00:28:42.210
alternative news, alternative media, and let's

00:28:42.210 --> 00:28:44.349
overhype something so I can sell books, scare

00:28:44.349 --> 00:28:47.190
people, and become world famous. I didn't know

00:28:47.190 --> 00:28:48.970
a whole lot about this until you brought it up.

00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:51.230
But when I started researching for this episode,

00:28:51.670 --> 00:28:54.599
you can't see I Atlas without. Oh, he's the first

00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:56.359
one to set it, right? Like he's always the first

00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.900
one out of the gate that says it's alien technology

00:28:58.900 --> 00:29:00.900
that we're going to see. And the last time it

00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:03.740
turned out not to be true. I think a lot of people

00:29:03.740 --> 00:29:06.299
look externally when they think, if they think

00:29:06.299 --> 00:29:08.619
aliens exist, they just assume they're going

00:29:08.619 --> 00:29:11.140
to be smarter than the human race. But in our

00:29:11.140 --> 00:29:13.480
known galaxy, at least what we know here on planet

00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.720
earth and perhaps whatever else exists out there,

00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.299
we do know that humans are actually the smartest

00:29:18.299 --> 00:29:20.859
beings God ever created. Like we can rationalize,

00:29:20.859 --> 00:29:23.299
we can talk, we can create. We're in the image

00:29:23.299 --> 00:29:25.500
of God. Perhaps if something else exists out

00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:28.559
there, it's more like monkeys and not the superhuman

00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:31.440
capable aliens that people want to believe in.

00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:34.160
And I was reading that the more like fringe claim

00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.000
or like what's really circulated in the tabloids

00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.160
and the conspiracy blog really frames 3i Atlas

00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.299
as potentially a hostile craft. Arguments cite

00:29:43.299 --> 00:29:46.660
it's suspicious timing appearing just as NASA

00:29:46.660 --> 00:29:50.539
and ESA prepare major planetary defense programs

00:29:50.539 --> 00:29:53.759
and it's fly by of Mars, a planet with multiple

00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.400
active spaceships, as if surveying human technology.

00:29:57.740 --> 00:29:59.660
So they're talking about almost aliens coming

00:29:59.660 --> 00:30:01.220
and be like, what are you guys up to? We want

00:30:01.220 --> 00:30:03.839
to go check it out. Tap it into our resources

00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.940
and seeing how they can use it. You can't have

00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:08.059
both. It's polar opposites. You can't be much

00:30:08.059 --> 00:30:11.339
more sophisticated than us and also want to learn

00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:14.039
from us. Somebody's the monkey in that equation.

00:30:14.579 --> 00:30:17.640
So it seems like it's just wild, man. Everybody

00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.279
just throwing theories at the bar. And you have

00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:21.809
these super educated. of people that go to Harvard

00:30:21.809 --> 00:30:23.829
and graduate from Harvard and that teach at Harvard.

00:30:24.089 --> 00:30:26.470
And we want to believe everything that they have

00:30:26.470 --> 00:30:29.630
to say, but it kind of gives back to again, motivation

00:30:29.630 --> 00:30:32.529
and what's his motivation. And I just wonder,

00:30:32.569 --> 00:30:34.710
I would love to retire, make millions of dollars

00:30:34.710 --> 00:30:36.730
and talk about aliens all day. Unfortunately

00:30:36.730 --> 00:30:39.029
I can't cause I'm not smart enough, but I wonder

00:30:39.029 --> 00:30:40.609
where that leaves us. Yeah. I don't know, man.

00:30:40.789 --> 00:30:43.190
Didn't Harvard say there's 31 genders and dudes

00:30:43.190 --> 00:30:46.089
can have babies and I don't know what happened

00:30:46.089 --> 00:30:48.509
to these prestigious universities using logic.

00:30:48.529 --> 00:30:50.430
It seems like it went out the window. of, I don't

00:30:50.430 --> 00:30:52.289
know, four or five, six, seven years ago, anything

00:30:52.289 --> 00:30:53.849
that comes from these universities that tend

00:30:53.849 --> 00:30:55.650
to question at this point. Unless it's something

00:30:55.650 --> 00:30:58.289
to do with math or some sciences. When you're

00:30:58.289 --> 00:31:00.589
super liberal and you're telling me that I can

00:31:00.589 --> 00:31:03.230
be a cat man. And when I'm really a woman, like

00:31:03.230 --> 00:31:05.970
what, what's happened here? This isn't the Harvard

00:31:05.970 --> 00:31:08.170
I remember growing up thinking it's like the

00:31:08.170 --> 00:31:10.710
best college in the world. But another thing

00:31:10.710 --> 00:31:12.990
I wanted to talk about with Avi is that he had

00:31:12.990 --> 00:31:16.109
this interesting theory. It's called Noah's spaceship.

00:31:16.549 --> 00:31:19.839
So. Essentially what that is, it's a theory about

00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.039
directed Pamspermia. So essentially what it means

00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.640
is he thinks life from other planets can spread

00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.019
to other planets throughout the solar system,

00:31:28.099 --> 00:31:30.279
galaxies, whatever. So essentially what it is

00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.819
that you load up microorganisms up on a rock

00:31:32.819 --> 00:31:34.700
and you shoot it out into space and wherever

00:31:34.700 --> 00:31:36.839
it hits. And that is an interesting theory. I

00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:38.640
think scientifically, if you believe in evolution,

00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:40.140
it would work. But if you don't believe in the

00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:42.559
evolution, everything falls apart. But I wanted

00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.450
to circle back to like your biblical viewpoint.

00:31:45.869 --> 00:31:49.390
So I'm not one to ever limit God. I tend to think

00:31:49.390 --> 00:31:53.210
that this universe is created around earth and

00:31:53.210 --> 00:31:55.829
we're the only thing living here. That's where

00:31:55.829 --> 00:31:58.250
I lean. I can change my opinion. I could, that

00:31:58.250 --> 00:32:00.089
has nothing to do with anyone's salvation. If

00:32:00.089 --> 00:32:02.549
you believe there's aliens or not, but I don't

00:32:02.549 --> 00:32:06.289
think. If, say, the universe is infinitely large

00:32:06.289 --> 00:32:09.150
and he created tens of thousands of other civilizations.

00:32:09.529 --> 00:32:11.549
Let's say all those people didn't eat the apple.

00:32:11.670 --> 00:32:13.529
They didn't sin. Why would they want to come

00:32:13.529 --> 00:32:15.950
to Earth and possibly be tempted to sin? I think

00:32:15.950 --> 00:32:18.730
if there are other life forms that are intelligent

00:32:18.730 --> 00:32:20.750
out there that God created, let's say they're

00:32:20.750 --> 00:32:22.250
perfect. Let's say they're sinless. Why would

00:32:22.250 --> 00:32:23.890
they want to come here? I'd be terrified to come

00:32:23.890 --> 00:32:25.509
here. I don't even think God would let you know

00:32:25.509 --> 00:32:28.089
we existed. And I think if there are other things

00:32:28.089 --> 00:32:29.910
out there, they're going to be so far away that

00:32:29.910 --> 00:32:31.940
we'll never get to that. stage of technology

00:32:31.940 --> 00:32:33.579
we could ever find them or communicate with them.

00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.500
I think the aliens that were quote unquote extraterrestrials,

00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.319
which I guess technically they do fall underneath

00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.839
that umbrella are demons and angels. That's an

00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.599
interesting concept. Other people, societies

00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.900
in the far galaxies that God has created and

00:32:47.900 --> 00:32:50.140
they've never taken a bite of the apple. Coming

00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:52.460
to earth, visiting us is almost like going to

00:32:52.460 --> 00:32:54.599
hell. Right? Because you're going to start to

00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.960
experience pain and jealousy and hate and violence.

00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.380
What ghetto is this? I don't know if maybe like

00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:03.319
you take a video and look how terrible that place

00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.119
is. Burn that tape. They do shoot warm wood towards

00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.019
us. We got to get rid of these people. Jesus

00:33:08.019 --> 00:33:10.539
loves us too much. And this is all to find salvation.

00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.500
But yeah, I thought that directed Pamspermia

00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:17.079
was an interesting theoretical concept. But again,

00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.259
I don't believe in evolution, at least in that

00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:21.650
sense. I believe in Natural selection, I believe

00:33:21.650 --> 00:33:23.750
in certain environments, you know, if you don't

00:33:23.750 --> 00:33:25.990
survive, of course, that human is going to die

00:33:25.990 --> 00:33:28.029
out. So the person that's better adapted is going,

00:33:28.150 --> 00:33:30.769
but we're not going from monkeys to humans or

00:33:30.769 --> 00:33:32.890
fish to monkeys or whatever. Absolutely not.

00:33:32.950 --> 00:33:35.710
And I focus on your worldview, meaning that I

00:33:35.710 --> 00:33:38.109
think God created this earth and he created everything

00:33:38.109 --> 00:33:41.230
or surrounded to support it. I'm not calling

00:33:41.230 --> 00:33:43.990
Avi a frog because I don't know the man, but

00:33:43.990 --> 00:33:47.349
I don't particularly buy the theory that he's

00:33:47.349 --> 00:33:49.509
selling. It just doesn't seem rational to me.

00:33:49.710 --> 00:33:52.329
doesn't align with my worldview. Now I think

00:33:52.329 --> 00:33:54.430
we've got a lot of damning things to deal with

00:33:54.430 --> 00:33:56.869
as a society as we trend closer and closer to

00:33:56.869 --> 00:34:00.289
revelations, but I don't buy it. And I do think

00:34:00.289 --> 00:34:03.069
perhaps he has ulterior motives to be talking

00:34:03.069 --> 00:34:05.450
about that. He's obviously is getting a whole

00:34:05.450 --> 00:34:08.730
lot of media spotlight. He's bypassing that academic

00:34:08.730 --> 00:34:11.190
caution. Like his theories aren't being tested.

00:34:11.329 --> 00:34:13.610
If he goes through the academic progress, he

00:34:13.610 --> 00:34:16.130
has to submit papers and they get peer reviewed

00:34:16.130 --> 00:34:18.550
and people put input on his writing and it may

00:34:18.550 --> 00:34:20.480
take a year. before he ever actually got published.

00:34:20.780 --> 00:34:23.400
But if you skip academia and you go straight

00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.360
to the media and you start talking about aliens,

00:34:25.780 --> 00:34:27.280
people listen to you immediately, especially

00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.119
with a credential that's coming from Harvard.

00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.079
So perhaps that media spotlight is making him

00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:34.380
redirect his attention. The dude's obviously

00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:37.300
smart and like you can believe something and

00:34:37.300 --> 00:34:39.179
not have evidence and really want other people

00:34:39.179 --> 00:34:41.039
to believe it. I'm not like hating on the guy.

00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.650
I'm sure he believes what he's saying. Sure,

00:34:43.809 --> 00:34:45.789
a nice byproduct of that is making a lot of money

00:34:45.789 --> 00:34:47.889
by selling books and doing these media circuits

00:34:47.889 --> 00:34:50.010
and podcast circuits. Do I think he believes

00:34:50.010 --> 00:34:52.510
it? Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I think sometimes people,

00:34:52.630 --> 00:34:55.030
when you call someone a fraud, I think the definition

00:34:55.030 --> 00:34:57.929
of that is they know it's a lie and they're purposely

00:34:57.929 --> 00:35:00.170
doing it to be a huckster. I don't believe this

00:35:00.170 --> 00:35:03.409
guy is doing that for that reason. I think the

00:35:03.409 --> 00:35:06.349
fame and the money is a nice byproduct. I do

00:35:06.349 --> 00:35:08.309
think he believes it and he's a very smart guy

00:35:08.309 --> 00:35:11.510
and I could see why someone may be not rooted

00:35:11.510 --> 00:35:14.480
in faith. not in the word of God could come to

00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.239
that conclusion. Sometimes you just want something

00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:18.760
to be true because if you don't have faith and

00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.880
you don't have belief, sometimes this world can

00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.099
be really crappy and really boring at the same

00:35:24.099 --> 00:35:26.420
time. It would be cool. Dude, I loved Star Wars

00:35:26.420 --> 00:35:28.260
and Star Trek when I was growing up. Think about

00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:31.079
it. You can just fly out in outer space, find

00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.179
advanced alien civilization. It's a fantastic

00:35:34.179 --> 00:35:36.519
fantasy to have. And at one point I wanted to

00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.500
believe, but I don't. Everything we deal with

00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:42.409
around here is Spirit and flesh we battle against

00:35:42.409 --> 00:35:44.969
the powers and principalities And I think a lot

00:35:44.969 --> 00:35:46.949
of stuff in the sky and a lot of weird crap that

00:35:46.949 --> 00:35:49.489
happens in this world is spiritual warfare going

00:35:49.489 --> 00:35:52.119
on Yeah, I always think about you see the Very

00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.300
popular photograph of this comet online. I'm

00:35:55.300 --> 00:35:57.519
looking at a picture right now from people .com

00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.619
and it looks like Christmas lights. Like it's

00:35:59.619 --> 00:36:02.179
blue, green, red, yellow. It's all these perfect

00:36:02.179 --> 00:36:04.780
little orbs strung together, much like you would

00:36:04.780 --> 00:36:07.139
string your Christmas tree. And it reminds me

00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:09.059
of one of the stories that you told me is where

00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:12.239
the astronomers took a picture of pepperoni and

00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.920
said it was this foreign galaxy. And I was almost

00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:16.739
wondering, can we believe what we're actually

00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:19.659
seeing right now? Dude, that's the craziest thing

00:36:19.659 --> 00:36:22.530
about this world. I don't. Like 30, 40 years

00:36:22.530 --> 00:36:24.949
ago, you could believe what you saw. Now today,

00:36:25.309 --> 00:36:26.889
I don't know if you can believe anything. Before

00:36:26.889 --> 00:36:28.710
it was essentially like, is this person lying

00:36:28.710 --> 00:36:30.849
to me because they're presenting a paper or they're

00:36:30.849 --> 00:36:33.269
talking to my ear. But if they came with some

00:36:33.269 --> 00:36:35.530
sort of physical evidence that I could actually

00:36:35.530 --> 00:36:38.699
visibly confirm, I believe you. Now today. Like

00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:40.420
sometimes you can't believe anything on the internet.

00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.880
I'm not this handsome by mistake. Like it's a

00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.579
projection. I don't look anything like this.

00:36:45.739 --> 00:36:47.300
No, I'm joking. If people would actually see

00:36:47.300 --> 00:36:49.199
me, they're like, that guy's ugly. I almost caution

00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.559
people. You should lean towards not believing

00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:53.840
what you see online today. Because of all the

00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:56.000
artificial intelligence, you can create videos.

00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.659
You can mask your identity. You can do all kinds

00:36:58.659 --> 00:37:01.000
of crazy things to manipulate the situation.

00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:04.019
And you're most better off not believing. Conversely,

00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.070
20, 30, 40 years ago. That was the only way you

00:37:07.070 --> 00:37:09.250
could prove something. And I feel like we're

00:37:09.250 --> 00:37:11.250
walking towards that project blue beam. And once

00:37:11.250 --> 00:37:13.530
again, where we're talking about it, where it

00:37:13.530 --> 00:37:15.929
could be a real life scenario is that you actually

00:37:15.929 --> 00:37:18.309
can't and you have to drive discernment into

00:37:18.309 --> 00:37:20.780
what you're looking at. And yeah. Amazing things

00:37:20.780 --> 00:37:23.340
happen. And I imagine even though we've only

00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:26.360
seen three interstellar objects that's passed

00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.019
by our globe in a relative sense, I'm sure there's

00:37:29.019 --> 00:37:31.239
been hundreds, if not thousands of more since

00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:32.800
the creation of time before we could actually

00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:34.760
observe it. It's probably actually more common

00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.199
than we realize. It just so happens to be that

00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.079
we're looking that way and we see it. Perhaps

00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:40.599
we're looking at Mars and that's the way it's

00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.780
going and passing. But what is the end game here?

00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.099
Why are they bringing it up? Like, why are they

00:37:46.099 --> 00:37:49.320
hyping it up? And I distrust it more because

00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.039
because they say, oh, it's an alien spacecraft.

00:37:51.179 --> 00:37:53.480
Oh, it's hostile. Be scared. Live in this state

00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.380
of fear in reference to this object versus saying,

00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.440
really cool asteroids coming across. Check it

00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.739
out. See it. See what we saw. It's not like this

00:38:00.739 --> 00:38:02.320
general, I'm sitting at your house and we see

00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:04.000
a comet fly across the sky and we're both like,

00:38:04.059 --> 00:38:06.579
that's really cool. Check it out. Yeah. No, that

00:38:06.579 --> 00:38:09.099
it's going to all kill us. Dude. I think it's

00:38:09.099 --> 00:38:11.659
a big nothing burger. That's what I chalk it

00:38:11.659 --> 00:38:13.840
up to. Good for him for finding it. Good for

00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:15.719
him for putting it out there. Good for him with

00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:17.199
his theories. I think what's going to happen.

00:38:17.300 --> 00:38:19.579
So slingshot around the sun fly right by his,

00:38:19.699 --> 00:38:21.300
nobody will see it. Cause I don't know about

00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:23.679
you, but where I live in Pennsylvania, half the

00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.719
time, my wife, when I look up at the sky to try

00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:27.500
to see stars and we're like, Oh, we see two.

00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.199
Everything's so blotted out anymore. You can't

00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:33.380
even see the stars if you wanted to. They even

00:38:33.380 --> 00:38:35.599
say the light that you see is actually from dead

00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.059
planets and dead stars actually don't exist anymore.

00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.539
It's just some light in the sky that's reminiscent

00:38:40.539 --> 00:38:42.699
of it from a hundred thousand years ago. They

00:38:42.699 --> 00:38:45.420
almost make space unbelievable. And we see a

00:38:45.420 --> 00:38:47.380
lot of things and we haven't really got that

00:38:47.380 --> 00:38:49.639
far out in space either. I question if we've

00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.440
landed on the moon or spacecraft that lives up

00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.159
where the NASA astronauts go. It's not in like

00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:57.159
deep space or anything. It's, they're just right

00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.599
up. up there. So ultimately there's a lot we

00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.780
don't know, a lot we don't understand that's

00:39:01.780 --> 00:39:04.340
out there. And I think that's for a purpose,

00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:06.719
meaning God doesn't really want us to. I don't

00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.219
know if he ever came out and directly said it

00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:10.480
in the Bible, but does life exist beyond earth?

00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:11.719
Don't worry about it. That's not what you're

00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:13.199
supposed to be worried about now, because it's

00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.519
ultimately not going to impact you. We live here

00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.760
on this earth. We should be focused our eyes

00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:20.519
towards God and trying to solve real world problems.

00:39:20.659 --> 00:39:22.739
And that's why when people invest all this millions

00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:24.800
of dollars, I remember this asteroid many years

00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:26.400
ago that was flying across the sky and they said,

00:39:26.380 --> 00:39:28.519
It contained all this natural resource. And if

00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.920
they could only capture this asteroid, everybody

00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:32.860
in the world would have a billion dollars because

00:39:32.860 --> 00:39:35.260
it was this famous mineral. And we're never going

00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:37.619
to catch it. I mean, dude, I can't buy a washing

00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:39.139
machine that lasts more than two years. We're

00:39:39.139 --> 00:39:41.679
going to catch an asteroid and mine it? Like

00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:44.019
my car. Like I bought a new car. The engine blew

00:39:44.019 --> 00:39:46.110
up after a year. Like what? I mean, you might

00:39:46.110 --> 00:39:47.969
shoot a rocket up there and blows up when it's

00:39:47.969 --> 00:39:49.670
3000 feet in the air. Like you're going to capture

00:39:49.670 --> 00:39:52.250
an asteroid. Get out of here. It's like the movie

00:39:52.250 --> 00:39:54.050
Armageddon. Like they're going to go up there

00:39:54.050 --> 00:39:55.969
and block it. What are they doing? They're like,

00:39:55.969 --> 00:39:58.449
they're having mining equipment on there to save

00:39:58.449 --> 00:40:00.550
the world or something. Pitting nukes and holes.

00:40:00.989 --> 00:40:04.909
Yeah. Alter the path. Yeah. Apparently we lost

00:40:04.909 --> 00:40:06.789
the technology that got us to the moon. And even

00:40:06.789 --> 00:40:09.190
though it was this iPhone has like a million

00:40:09.190 --> 00:40:12.510
times more technology than the moon spacecraft.

00:40:12.710 --> 00:40:15.059
You lost it? You probably lost it because it

00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:18.000
was simple mathematics. It's not that hard to

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.659
recreate. A lot of it comes down probably to

00:40:19.659 --> 00:40:22.420
funding. The more fantastical I can tell you

00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:25.320
it is, the more crazy it is. You're going to

00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.099
give me a whole lot more money to research it,

00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:30.679
to pay my bills, to do my thing, to make it work.

00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:32.800
Dude, I just think at the end of the day, all

00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.420
the money's going toward the global control grid.

00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:37.699
They don't care what's in space. Listen, it would

00:40:37.699 --> 00:40:40.159
be amazing to go out and colonize Mars and the

00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:44.099
moon. live this fantastic sci -fi type existence

00:40:44.099 --> 00:40:46.760
where you're a great explorers man is supposed

00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.760
to be explorers that's in our heart that's what

00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:50.800
we are we like to explore like i go on vacation

00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.880
my wife likes to lay on the beach i like to go

00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.460
explore the area but Dude, all the money's going

00:40:55.460 --> 00:40:57.739
toward weapons in the control grid. Like this

00:40:57.739 --> 00:41:00.380
5G, the 6G, smart cities. They don't care what's

00:41:00.380 --> 00:41:03.139
out there. They throw $100 million of NASA to

00:41:03.139 --> 00:41:04.519
see it and tell them you're doing something.

00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:06.539
They go take some pictures of pepperoni or something.

00:41:06.619 --> 00:41:08.179
I don't care what you do with it. Yeah. I don't

00:41:08.179 --> 00:41:11.139
know. 31 Atlas. Interesting concept. I think

00:41:11.139 --> 00:41:13.880
the front man for it is smart fella. I think

00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:15.860
he believes it. I think he's going to fly past

00:41:15.860 --> 00:41:17.739
us on December 19th. They'll take a picture and

00:41:17.739 --> 00:41:19.840
be like, oh, it's a wreck. Cool. You know, we'll

00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.119
probably not even get a picture. I'll just get

00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.619
like the tail end of it as it goes by. Yeah.

00:41:23.659 --> 00:41:26.039
We took a picture of the wrong rocks. Dang it.

00:41:26.179 --> 00:41:27.840
It's an interesting theory though, because you

00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.539
bring up Mars. Obviously Elon wants to colonize

00:41:30.539 --> 00:41:34.639
Mars and Jeff Bezos wants to pit people on the

00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.800
moon and manufacture. From my Christian worldview,

00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.340
it's always an interesting concept. Do you think

00:41:39.340 --> 00:41:41.599
we're actually going to do that? Because Revelations

00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.599
comes really more complicated if we have societies

00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:46.820
living on these different worlds during that

00:41:46.820 --> 00:41:48.260
time. Do I think it's going to happen though?

00:41:48.230 --> 00:41:51.610
I don't I really don't if I think best case scenario

00:41:51.610 --> 00:41:54.090
you get someone to the moon and you drill for

00:41:54.090 --> 00:41:56.010
Revelation happens on earth like great. I'm gonna

00:41:56.010 --> 00:41:59.710
die on the moon Like that sucks and get back

00:41:59.710 --> 00:42:03.929
home So this is so we're going in rabbit holes.

00:42:04.030 --> 00:42:05.590
So there's a couple interesting theories I don't

00:42:05.590 --> 00:42:08.510
believe any of them, but one theory is that okay,

00:42:08.849 --> 00:42:10.750
so we're talking about project blue game So there's

00:42:10.750 --> 00:42:14.130
one theory that like Jesus is coming back to

00:42:14.130 --> 00:42:17.699
earth in a spaceship with like his angels to

00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:20.739
come and destroy all the bad people. And one

00:42:20.739 --> 00:42:23.579
of the theories is that the government's going

00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:25.639
to try to freak everybody out about this alien

00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:28.480
invasion, try to fight off Jesus. And they don't

00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.219
want you, like when he comes in his alien spaceship,

00:42:32.300 --> 00:42:34.019
that they want you to be afraid of him. They

00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:36.719
don't want you to think he's a Messiah. And we're

00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:38.619
going to band together as like a one world order

00:42:38.619 --> 00:42:41.119
to fight Jesus and his angels. Ridiculous theory

00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:44.059
in my opinion. And the other one, which I don't

00:42:44.059 --> 00:42:46.860
know, it's one of those theories again, salvation

00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:49.239
doesn't really depend on it. Is that there were

00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.900
other civilizations pre -earth that were on Mars.

00:42:53.139 --> 00:42:55.460
I think there was another one called Rahab. It's

00:42:55.460 --> 00:42:57.260
there's like an asteroid belt somewhere between

00:42:57.260 --> 00:43:00.260
us and Mars. And they said that used to be a

00:43:00.260 --> 00:43:02.199
planet that was inhabited, that was destroyed

00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:04.820
in some sort of angelic war. Again, it doesn't

00:43:04.820 --> 00:43:08.500
really, I have to do a much deeper dive to suss

00:43:08.500 --> 00:43:10.900
all that out. Again, it doesn't, your salvation,

00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:12.840
if you believe it or don't believe it, it's not

00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:14.519
gonna go to heaven or hell because of that belief.

00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:17.559
Those are interesting theories that the first

00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:19.539
one that I mentioned, Jesus coming back with

00:43:19.539 --> 00:43:22.079
an army of spaceships, I think is complete BS.

00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.360
But the other one, I don't know. I like to pretend

00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:26.199
like in my sci -fi brain, okay, I can make that

00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:29.289
make sense. Avi loves making this. 31 Alice makes

00:43:29.289 --> 00:43:31.829
sense for him. We hear all these crazy things

00:43:31.829 --> 00:43:34.570
and that the Jesus in his spaceships might be

00:43:34.570 --> 00:43:36.449
the craziest one I ever heard. I haven't heard

00:43:36.449 --> 00:43:38.949
that one before, but I don't think Jesus needs

00:43:38.949 --> 00:43:42.579
spaceships. It brings up a lot of these crazy

00:43:42.579 --> 00:43:45.320
theories. We saw in the earliest 20th century,

00:43:45.579 --> 00:43:49.139
astronomer Persilv Loal speculated about Planet

00:43:49.139 --> 00:43:52.280
X to explain the orbital irregularities of Uranus

00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.460
and Neptune, really the subsequent discovery

00:43:54.460 --> 00:43:57.000
of Pluto. And it didn't really resolve those

00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.500
issues, but they were looking for this Planet

00:43:58.500 --> 00:44:00.500
X and then they said they discovered Neptune

00:44:00.500 --> 00:44:03.099
and they theorized that there's this planet in

00:44:03.099 --> 00:44:05.539
our solar system that we just can't see, but

00:44:05.539 --> 00:44:07.940
it exists there and it's several times the size

00:44:07.940 --> 00:44:11.019
of Earth's mass and it's there. and it's inhabited.

00:44:11.380 --> 00:44:14.019
I find it really unlikely that this planet X

00:44:14.019 --> 00:44:16.480
exists or I think later was called planet nine

00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:18.840
because we've been out that far with different

00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.119
probes and stuff. It's just, it reminds me of

00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:22.780
all these crazy things folks are talking about.

00:44:22.780 --> 00:44:25.579
Yeah, it's called the ninth planet. I think what

00:44:25.579 --> 00:44:29.280
astronomers realized or what they observed was

00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.559
that there had to be like a ninth planet on the

00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:34.960
edge of our solar system. I think Percival, or

00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.260
I can't remember his name, found Pluto. Pluto

00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:39.599
was so small, I think it's 20 % of the mass of

00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.500
the moon. And they eventually said, this gravitational

00:44:42.500 --> 00:44:45.500
force is so weak that I wouldn't explain some

00:44:45.500 --> 00:44:48.820
of these trans -Newtonian objects. So they speculate

00:44:48.820 --> 00:44:51.780
that there's something out there. beyond Neptune,

00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.739
that is clustering a bunch of rocks together

00:44:54.739 --> 00:44:56.679
because, and it has to be like something like

00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:58.940
five times the mass of the earth in order to

00:44:58.940 --> 00:45:01.940
keep all these asteroids, moons, whatever you

00:45:01.940 --> 00:45:04.619
would call them from shooting off into either

00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:06.739
solar system or out of the solar system. But

00:45:06.739 --> 00:45:08.320
they haven't been able to see it. And like you

00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:10.699
said, they think that whatever the planet's made

00:45:10.699 --> 00:45:13.599
out of, it's not really reflecting light or it's

00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.480
only observable in infrared. So it doesn't really

00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.980
have some sort of visible light signature that

00:45:18.980 --> 00:45:21.260
we as humans can see. see, but you have to observe

00:45:21.260 --> 00:45:23.860
it through infrared and they still can't find

00:45:23.860 --> 00:45:27.440
it. But I think through astrophysics calculations,

00:45:27.659 --> 00:45:29.360
that's something that has to be out there that

00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.500
they haven't discovered yet. Yeah. A lot of people

00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:35.420
connect it to a guy by the name of Zachariah

00:45:35.420 --> 00:45:38.960
Satichian's book. He calls it the 12th planet.

00:45:39.099 --> 00:45:41.440
Many people call it the ninth planet. He introduced

00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:44.440
the ideal of the Nibiru. I think I'm saying that

00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.860
name correctly, which is the home of the Anakki,

00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.570
which is he quotes. quotes an advanced alien

00:45:50.570 --> 00:45:53.630
race who visited Earth in antiquity and genetically

00:45:53.630 --> 00:45:57.230
modified humans and established these early civilizations

00:45:57.230 --> 00:45:59.309
here on planet Earth. According to his theory,

00:45:59.489 --> 00:46:03.570
the Nibiru returns every 3 ,600 years on a long

00:46:03.570 --> 00:46:06.010
elliptical orbit. Do you know about these guys?

00:46:06.289 --> 00:46:09.650
Yeah, Zacharias Stitchin, he surmised the existence

00:46:09.650 --> 00:46:12.769
of Nibiru. And like you said, it floats around

00:46:12.769 --> 00:46:16.159
every 3 ,600 years. So essentially it's inhabited

00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:18.840
by a race called the Anunnaki. So what happens

00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.300
is every 3 ,600 years as it gets closed, the

00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:24.059
Anunnaki hop on their spaceships, go to earth,

00:46:24.340 --> 00:46:26.980
take what they need, mainly golden women, go

00:46:26.980 --> 00:46:28.920
back through a planet and then say, see you for

00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.480
another 3 ,600 years. So he uses the Sumerian

00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:37.559
texts to deduce this race and this. orbit, but

00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:41.500
essentially his theory, his premise is that these

00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:45.320
Anunnaki genetically engineered monkeys to help

00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.599
us evolve into humans. So essentially what they

00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.539
wanted to do was use as a slave labor to mine

00:46:51.539 --> 00:46:54.019
the gold because they need the gold to repair

00:46:54.019 --> 00:46:57.019
their atmosphere. ridiculous theory. I think

00:46:57.019 --> 00:46:59.480
he takes a lot of liberty with his translations.

00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.159
A lot of scholars are saying a lot of his conclusions,

00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:05.559
he makes some BS and lots of his conclusions

00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:09.130
are all over the place. And if you really understood

00:47:09.130 --> 00:47:11.210
Sumerian, which I don't think a lot of people

00:47:11.210 --> 00:47:13.710
do, it's a dead language. So I don't even know

00:47:13.710 --> 00:47:15.489
how you can have a dead language without any

00:47:15.489 --> 00:47:18.070
sort of root language to even reference, to even

00:47:18.070 --> 00:47:21.289
validly translate some of these scrolls. But

00:47:21.289 --> 00:47:25.269
basically he claims that the Anunnaki genetically

00:47:25.269 --> 00:47:27.329
engineer does slave labor and they're coming

00:47:27.329 --> 00:47:31.349
back in 3 ,600 years to do the same thing. This

00:47:31.349 --> 00:47:34.150
whole Planet X thing is an episode by itself.

00:47:34.510 --> 00:47:36.909
I just think we're just touching on it and talking

00:47:36.909 --> 00:47:40.469
about it. I always find it funny that the Sumerian

00:47:40.469 --> 00:47:44.289
texts claim, according to Stygian, that these

00:47:44.289 --> 00:47:47.070
aliens, I just think, I think the fallen angels

00:47:47.070 --> 00:47:49.869
fell to earth. They made it with women. They

00:47:49.869 --> 00:47:53.409
created giants. And again, it's taking something

00:47:53.409 --> 00:47:57.190
that is spiritual and pointing it to let's look

00:47:57.190 --> 00:48:00.519
outside of God. Let's call it aliens. Let's take

00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.500
the focus off God and our creators are really

00:48:03.500 --> 00:48:05.900
something out there in the universe that we really

00:48:05.900 --> 00:48:07.920
don't understand. Yeah. I think you mentioned

00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.440
the Anunnaki characters when we were talking

00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.880
about Antarctica and some of the theories that

00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.340
are floating down there where, you know, the

00:48:15.340 --> 00:48:18.039
people that may live there, the Anunnaki who

00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:21.280
are hiding out. What I found interesting is some

00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.760
theorists suggest that planet X is not actually

00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.380
a natural planet at all, but really this kind

00:48:27.380 --> 00:48:29.800
of artificial mega structure. And they call it

00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.980
a Dyson spear -like craft. And here's the word

00:48:32.980 --> 00:48:36.139
I'm keying in on, right? Cloaked alien world.

00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.440
They argue that this explains why it has evaded

00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:42.440
telescopes despite gravitational hints. And why

00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.320
I'm keying in on cloaked is because here we go.

00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.760
We heard this name cloaked again. It goes back

00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:50.420
to 3I Atlas, where they think it's a cloaked

00:48:50.420 --> 00:48:52.960
alien craft. And now we're talking about Planet

00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.320
X, where they think we can't just see it because

00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.260
it's cloaked. Not that we can actually cloak

00:48:57.260 --> 00:48:59.170
anything here. We never. figure out how to cloak

00:48:59.170 --> 00:49:01.329
anything. We could hide it from radar, but that's

00:49:01.329 --> 00:49:03.530
about as best as we can make something invisible.

00:49:03.730 --> 00:49:06.469
But all of a sudden, all these things have theoretically,

00:49:06.789 --> 00:49:09.670
everything out there in the vector is cloaked,

00:49:09.789 --> 00:49:12.889
hidden. And from us, from some type of special

00:49:12.889 --> 00:49:16.150
alien technology, I just find that. I guess you

00:49:16.150 --> 00:49:17.730
have to, we'll have to dive into the Philadelphia

00:49:17.730 --> 00:49:19.730
experiment because they claim to have cloaked

00:49:19.730 --> 00:49:22.150
a ship that fused people onto the boat. Maybe

00:49:22.150 --> 00:49:24.170
we have cloaked something. I don't know. Yeah,

00:49:24.170 --> 00:49:25.349
but I know what you're talking about. I think

00:49:25.349 --> 00:49:28.329
they're called Dyson spheres. that go around

00:49:28.329 --> 00:49:30.710
the planet. They can do all kinds of wild stuff.

00:49:31.110 --> 00:49:33.349
They always go down these. So you have the levels

00:49:33.349 --> 00:49:35.349
where it just exists and you can't see it as

00:49:35.349 --> 00:49:38.309
blocked by Mars or whatever. It's cloaked, so

00:49:38.309 --> 00:49:40.250
it's invisible. Even though it exists, you can't

00:49:40.250 --> 00:49:43.929
see it. And then in the New Age or the apocalyptic

00:49:43.929 --> 00:49:47.309
belief system, Planet X is framed not as a physical

00:49:47.309 --> 00:49:50.809
world, but as a spiritual entity or dimensional

00:49:50.809 --> 00:49:54.949
body. And these stories, its appearance, coincides

00:49:54.949 --> 00:49:58.440
with a shift in human consciousness. Or a global

00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.800
cleansing that occurs, which is interesting as

00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:03.659
well. Dude, like the whole 2012 Mayan apocalypse,

00:50:03.739 --> 00:50:06.820
like it was tied back to Lisa Lucy, to Zachariah

00:50:06.820 --> 00:50:09.440
Stitchin's theory of Nibiru. These people come

00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.260
up with these wild theories and then they set

00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:14.780
dates for these cataclysmic events that happen

00:50:14.780 --> 00:50:16.840
and they never happen. And even now today, I

00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:18.699
was listening to a podcast about Planet X and

00:50:18.699 --> 00:50:20.579
this guy is, yeah. So there's something called

00:50:20.579 --> 00:50:23.179
Nemesis, which is, so he claims that our solar

00:50:23.179 --> 00:50:25.889
system is a binary. star. So essentially what

00:50:25.889 --> 00:50:27.650
that means is like a lot of, I think something

00:50:27.650 --> 00:50:29.989
like 80 or 90 % of solar systems out there have

00:50:29.989 --> 00:50:32.670
two stars, so two suns. So he was saying we're

00:50:32.670 --> 00:50:35.309
not the exception to the rule, but the sun is

00:50:35.309 --> 00:50:38.070
like a black hole sun. So it doesn't really project

00:50:38.070 --> 00:50:40.929
light, just black, but it's technically another

00:50:40.929 --> 00:50:42.510
sun. I don't know how you're going to have a

00:50:42.510 --> 00:50:44.670
sun that doesn't project light. I guess we can

00:50:44.670 --> 00:50:47.190
get into this in a different episode, but there's

00:50:47.190 --> 00:50:50.030
three, I think this fella, I can't remember his

00:50:50.030 --> 00:50:52.130
name, said that there were like three planets

00:50:52.130 --> 00:50:55.219
circling the second. quote unquote, black sun

00:50:55.219 --> 00:50:58.340
around us. And one of those planets is Nibiru.

00:50:58.659 --> 00:51:01.460
And I think he called the sun nemesis. So essentially

00:51:01.460 --> 00:51:03.960
what he's saying is he claims that you can look

00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.019
at the sun at certain times of the year and see

00:51:07.019 --> 00:51:11.980
this black sun behind. I think it's lens flare.

00:51:12.219 --> 00:51:14.059
That's just me. I don't know. Last time you tried

00:51:14.059 --> 00:51:15.860
to stare at the sun, if you stare at it for more

00:51:15.860 --> 00:51:17.699
than half a second, you're going to have a black

00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:19.900
spot in your vision. And I'm assuming a lot of

00:51:19.900 --> 00:51:22.739
our optical instruments probably have the same

00:51:22.739 --> 00:51:26.000
issue with intense direct light from the sun,

00:51:26.139 --> 00:51:28.719
or it's just lens flare from your lens. Yeah.

00:51:28.739 --> 00:51:31.400
I think it just goes back to over a century.

00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.199
Astronomers really have whispered about the missing

00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.280
planet. First, it was Lowell's planet X. Later

00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.500
it was Caltech's model of the giant planet nine.

00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:43.559
five that was five to ten times the size of Earth's

00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:45.900
mass lurking on the edges of the solar system.

00:51:46.139 --> 00:51:49.119
Some say shepherds dissent cupra belt objects

00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.880
into the odd orbits, others dismiss it as a bias

00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:54.039
in the data. But I think here's the pattern.

00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.659
Every time our instruments improve, we get new

00:51:56.659 --> 00:51:59.550
hints that something big is out there. Now in

00:51:59.550 --> 00:52:03.269
conspiracy circles, Planet X is far from hypothetical.

00:52:03.710 --> 00:52:06.530
It's the hidden world of the Anuki. Ancient gods

00:52:06.530 --> 00:52:08.909
or alien engineers who created humanity waiting

00:52:08.909 --> 00:52:11.349
to return on their long orbit. The name shifts,

00:52:11.550 --> 00:52:14.469
the predictions fail. The story never dies. Why?

00:52:14.630 --> 00:52:16.949
Because deep down we know we don't have the full

00:52:16.949 --> 00:52:18.829
map. The government says, don't worry about it.

00:52:19.050 --> 00:52:21.769
But at the same time, the Rubin Observatory is

00:52:21.769 --> 00:52:24.110
preparing to scan the skies with the power to

00:52:24.110 --> 00:52:26.980
finally prove it. if Urban finds something, will

00:52:26.980 --> 00:52:29.840
they even tell us? Or will Planet Nine or the

00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.400
New Brewer just become another classified event?

00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.500
I think what it points to is we don't know what

00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:36.320
we don't know, and we're afraid somebody's not

00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.940
going to tell us if they find something. And

00:52:38.940 --> 00:52:41.900
it's always just going to be this giant conspiracy

00:52:41.900 --> 00:52:44.920
theory out there. that will never die. And I

00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:47.239
think it's human nature to say, I think the president

00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:48.679
knows something that I don't know, and I really

00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:50.280
want to know it. And I feel like it's going to

00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:51.900
impact me. But at the end of the day, I don't

00:52:51.900 --> 00:52:54.820
think it will. Yeah, I agree, man. I think Planet

00:52:54.820 --> 00:52:57.280
X is, again, another cool sci -fi story. There's

00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:59.780
another interesting character named Nancy Leiter.

00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:03.019
Back in 95, she claimed to be a contactee. There

00:53:03.019 --> 00:53:06.000
we go, red flag, saying that she received messages

00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.239
from extraterrestrials. And she linked her story

00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:12.860
with Zacharias Stitchens' work. And she essentially

00:53:12.860 --> 00:53:16.500
says that every 3 ,600 years when this planet

00:53:16.500 --> 00:53:20.300
passes by, it's like a catastrophic doomsday

00:53:20.300 --> 00:53:22.440
scenario, like complete and total annihilation

00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.659
of Earth where only a handful of people survive.

00:53:26.019 --> 00:53:30.000
A lot of people also tie in Noah's flood to the

00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.139
passing of Nibiru. So they're saying every 600

00:53:32.139 --> 00:53:35.510
years this planet comes by. It destroys the earth.

00:53:35.750 --> 00:53:38.090
Only a handful of people live. Again, taking

00:53:38.090 --> 00:53:39.889
everything out of God's judgment. I'm not saying

00:53:39.889 --> 00:53:41.909
that God can't use whatever he wants to use to

00:53:41.909 --> 00:53:44.190
judge the earth, but I don't think he needs a

00:53:44.190 --> 00:53:47.630
rock or a hidden planet to cause the blood. I

00:53:47.630 --> 00:53:49.929
think he needs to speak and it happens. Yeah,

00:53:50.030 --> 00:53:52.159
man. I think Planet X is going to have to be

00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.079
its own episode because that's going to be a

00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:56.099
long one, and that's a deep dive. And yeah, I

00:53:56.099 --> 00:53:58.199
think we did a good job touching on some of the

00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.119
main characters. But yeah, I noticed in my camera,

00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:03.400
what are you sipping on? Yeah, so have you seen

00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.670
these Aspire integer drinks yet? I usually drink

00:54:06.670 --> 00:54:09.469
these because we podcast late at night, at least

00:54:09.469 --> 00:54:11.969
late for this old guy who has two little kids

00:54:11.969 --> 00:54:14.349
and works a full -time job. But they keep me

00:54:14.349 --> 00:54:17.429
awake and it's not overwhelming like energy content.

00:54:17.650 --> 00:54:20.309
It's only like 80 milligrams of caffeine and

00:54:20.309 --> 00:54:22.150
it really comes from natural sources. So if I

00:54:22.150 --> 00:54:23.449
drink a lot of coffee in the morning, I might

00:54:23.449 --> 00:54:26.030
feel a little bit jittery. But when I drink these,

00:54:26.369 --> 00:54:28.650
it just keeps me awake long enough to talk about

00:54:28.650 --> 00:54:31.389
these really cool conspiracy theories. I don't

00:54:31.389 --> 00:54:32.550
know if you've tried them, man, but you should

00:54:32.550 --> 00:54:34.670
check them out. They help out to get through

00:54:34.670 --> 00:54:36.670
these long conversations. You can't survive all

00:54:36.670 --> 00:54:38.190
two hours of sleep with two little kids? Come

00:54:38.190 --> 00:54:41.050
on, man. I've probably had one or more of these

00:54:41.050 --> 00:54:44.269
Aspire Energy drinks to keep me awake as we go

00:54:44.269 --> 00:54:44.489
through these conversations. You probably need

00:54:44.489 --> 00:54:46.389
like one an hour, bro. I mean, that's awesome.

00:54:46.929 --> 00:54:49.429
But you have any closing thoughts, my man? I

00:54:49.429 --> 00:54:52.900
think about it from a... human perspective. If

00:54:52.900 --> 00:54:56.559
you're a person that believes in these space

00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:59.679
phenomenons as much as I believe in God, you're

00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:01.519
probably going to come up with a million excuses

00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:04.199
why you should continue to explore it. Whether

00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.420
it's pointing satellites or building starships

00:55:07.420 --> 00:55:10.099
or shooting things into outer space, you're going

00:55:10.099 --> 00:55:13.719
to try to convince people to pour money to planetary

00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.199
defense and to observe in our galaxy to continue

00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:20.360
on. What we do know is that things fly through

00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:22.659
our galaxy all the time, whether it's hunks of

00:55:22.659 --> 00:55:25.739
rock or CO2 or water or whatever the case may

00:55:25.739 --> 00:55:28.059
be, whatever God created up there. But if you're

00:55:28.059 --> 00:55:30.360
of that belief that something exists out there,

00:55:30.659 --> 00:55:32.760
you're going to do the best you can to convince

00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:35.420
somebody to continue to pour money into it. And

00:55:35.420 --> 00:55:38.400
I think that's what we see with Planet X or Planet

00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:40.920
Nine or whatever version they're calling it today

00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.670
is that people truly believe it. Whether they

00:55:43.670 --> 00:55:45.929
have a whole lot of credentials or no credentials

00:55:45.929 --> 00:55:48.469
at all. They believe something exists out there

00:55:48.469 --> 00:55:51.630
and they want us to use our resources to find

00:55:51.630 --> 00:55:54.809
it. And when I look at it from my Christian lens,

00:55:55.150 --> 00:55:57.929
if they believe as hardly as I do about how much

00:55:57.929 --> 00:56:00.710
I believe in God, I understand it. Not that I

00:56:00.710 --> 00:56:02.409
believe in it, but I understand the motivation

00:56:02.409 --> 00:56:04.889
behind trying to convince everybody else to look

00:56:04.889 --> 00:56:08.130
that way, to give their paycheck over, fund these

00:56:08.130 --> 00:56:10.829
fantastical things that are potentially out there.

00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.360
I go back to my Christian worldview that I think

00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:17.159
all that matters here is what God created in

00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:19.460
our own world. It's your brothers, it's your

00:56:19.460 --> 00:56:21.760
sisters, it's your mom, it's your dad, it's your

00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.500
friends, it's whoever. It's your society of the

00:56:24.500 --> 00:56:26.880
people. And what I think we should be doing is

00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:30.099
investing in our people, not investing in shooting

00:56:30.099 --> 00:56:32.639
rockets out of space. There's so much yet to

00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.760
be uncovered. here on planet Earth. We have hardly

00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.079
explored much of Antarctica. We haven't gone

00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.840
to the deepest depths of the ocean. There's so

00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:42.860
much good that got right here that we should

00:56:42.860 --> 00:56:44.940
be investing in, that we should be improving

00:56:44.940 --> 00:56:47.400
our societies with, that we should be helping

00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.820
folks. So does it exist or does it not exist?

00:56:51.099 --> 00:56:53.380
I'm not the man to say. I'm not an expert in

00:56:53.380 --> 00:56:55.539
that field. But what I can tell you is it probably

00:56:55.539 --> 00:56:57.599
doesn't matter. I think what matters is here.

00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.550
Amen, brother. Amen. Yeah, man, I think... Space

00:57:00.550 --> 00:57:03.010
is memorizing. I used to be so infatuated with

00:57:03.010 --> 00:57:04.969
it when I was a kid. And it's a place of like

00:57:04.969 --> 00:57:08.110
endless imagination and just fun thinking what's

00:57:08.110 --> 00:57:11.130
out there. But at the end of the day, I do see

00:57:11.130 --> 00:57:14.650
the need possibly in the future, if Christ doesn't

00:57:14.650 --> 00:57:17.369
come back soonish, that this planet just keeps

00:57:17.369 --> 00:57:19.429
the population is growing. And yeah, I guess

00:57:19.429 --> 00:57:20.909
you could make the argument that there might

00:57:20.909 --> 00:57:23.389
be stuff we need on the moon in terms of resources.

00:57:23.630 --> 00:57:25.210
There might be stuff we need on Mars in terms

00:57:25.210 --> 00:57:28.119
of resources, but. You know, what those resources

00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.599
are, they're dead planets. There's not food,

00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:33.239
there's not water, at least water that is not

00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:34.940
frozen. I just, I don't know why we're doing

00:57:34.940 --> 00:57:37.179
it. But like you said, man, we've got homeless

00:57:37.179 --> 00:57:39.559
vets, you have mental health crisis. We've got

00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:41.679
people in Africa that don't have clothes. Let's

00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:44.280
try to reprioritize and let's do what God told

00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:46.179
us to do. Let's take care of the poor. Let's

00:57:46.179 --> 00:57:48.559
make sure people have at least food and water

00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.039
and shelter. How about we take care of that?

00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:53.920
Like, why are we spending billions in space when...

00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:55.800
whatever's up there is not really going to help

00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:57.719
those people that are in need. Everything else

00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.039
is a distraction. But we appreciate you tuning

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00:58:23.219 --> 00:58:25.199
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00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.619
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00:58:27.619 --> 00:58:30.440
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00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:33.199
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00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:35.920
joking, man. Nah, man. But you know what? Jesus

00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.179
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00:58:38.300 --> 00:58:40.860
Forget about 3i Atlas. It's going to pass by

00:58:40.860 --> 00:58:42.460
us and we're going to be like, Oh, I didn't even

00:58:42.460 --> 00:58:45.039
see it in the sky because it's so cloudy and

00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:48.500
so foggy. So yeah, forget about it. All right.

00:58:48.500 --> 00:58:54.119
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