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way. A show about what they won't say and what
you're probably already thinking. No fluff, no
filters, no bullshit. Let's crack it open. Most
people think of space as empty and predictable,
but ever so often, something appears that forces
us to look again. Tonight on Zero Signal, we're
digging into two names, equal parts science and
conspiracy theory. Atlas and Planet X. First,
3I Atlas means it's only the third interstellar
object we've ever confirmed after the famous
Oahu and Borisov. It discovered this summer by
a sky survey telescope in Chile. It's racing
through our solar system at more than 130 miles
per hour. Its orbit is hyperbolic, meaning it
isn't bound to our sun at all. It came from the
deep galaxy, and in just a few months, it will
whip past the sun and head back into our interstellar
space forever. Early images suggest it isn't
just a rock. It has a faint comma and tail -like
common, but with a chemical profile unlike anything.
we've seen before. The James Webb's telescope
shows is extremely rich in CO2, about eight times
more than water, making it possibly older than
our solar system itself. Some scientists see
this as a priceless opportunity to study material
born around another star. But Harvard astrophysicist
Avi Loeb has raised a sharper question. He points
out to a near perfect trajectory, passing close
to multiple planets with odds he calls astronomically
slim. He notes its glow seems to appear at the
front of the object rather than behind it like
a normal comet's tail. To Lueb, Atlas might not
just be a frozen gas. It could be evidence of
design. Then there's Planet X. Historically,
it began as a 20th century hunt for a missing
world beyond Neptune, a search that accidentally
led to Pluto. In modern astronomy, the name has
been reborn as Planet Nine. a possible giant
world 5 to 10 times Earth's mass. That might
explain why distant, copier -belt objects have
strangely clustered orbits. No one's seen it
yet, but the debate continues. In a conspiracy
culture, Planet X has another identity, the infamous
Nuburu, a hidden planet tied to a Sumerian mist,
end -of -world predictions, and doomsday warnings
that go viral every few years. So tonight, we're
pulling these threads together. An interstellar
visitor we can actually track in a shadowy world
that might or might not exist on the far edge
of our solar system. Jay, when you hear stories
like these, one proven by direct observations,
but hinting at something stranger, the other
lingering on the border between science and myth,
what's your first instinct? Are we looking at
discoveries waiting to be explained or stories
designed to keep us guessing? Yeah, brother.
That's a good question. The more I look at this
and I look at the players and some of their backgrounds
and this whole Atlas comet interstellar object,
the more I think it's just a story to distract
us. It is fun to kind of look at the fact that
this thing is I think roughly the size of Manhattan,
give or take, and it's traveling at an interstellar
velocity. I had to look up what an interstellar
velocity is. Essentially, it's a velocity where
it can override the escape velocity of the sun.
So essentially, It's moving so fast that as it
approaches you can whip on by and shoot right
back out of our solar system and go. to wherever
God intended it to go. I find this character,
Avi Loeb, pretty interesting. So he was born
in February 26th, 1962, not that's important.
He's 63 years old. He's an Israeli American theoretical
physicist who works in astrophysics. So he's
a, of all things, a professor of science at Harvard.
So this guy has some pretty legit credentials
and he makes some pretty fantastic claims, which
is the reason I think. This is probably getting
a lot more attention than it otherwise would.
I know he made some pretty fantastical claims
about Oomoa. He claims that it was powered by
a solar sail, which essentially captures light
and solar energy from the sun to compel whatever
object it's attached to across the universe.
So I just want to get to the premise, the thesis
of his argument. He thinks that Oomoa... and
that this three -eye atlas are interstellar probes,
possibly from another alien civilization, maybe
transport? from an alien civilization. And one
of the theories is that they've hollowed out
an asteroid to make it blend in. So if an observer
from a different planet would see it, they would
just chalk it off as some sort of natural phenomenon
from rocks just shooting out of other galaxies
and solar systems. I think it is interesting
that there's lights projecting out of the front
of it. But in my mind, the limited understanding
I have of comets and asteroids is that once they
get into start getting next to stars, that they
start to heat up and gases start to expand and
water starts to melt. So that light could be
any sort of mineral, any sort of element that's
starting to heat up and actually projecting light.
So I think he draws some pretty outrageous conclusions
to get attention, to sell his books. And we think
later we can get into some of his writings and
some of the outrageous claims. And if we kind
of want to point someone that's back to Bluebeam,
I think we can. probably draw those conclusions.
Yeah. So I agree with you. I am not an expert
in outer space or any of the things that go on
in the cosmos. What I am an expert in is people
and people that perhaps may have a reason to
persuade you to their opinion. One of the things
we know about Avi Loeb Is the fact that he's
made this claim about a momo in the past. He
said it was a solar cell alien object that was
coming towards earth. During that time when he
made those claims, shortly after he published
a book where he said our first contact with aliens
and he made a whole lot of money off of that
book because people were interested in the topic.
That kind of gives me some inclination of his
motivation for making these claims. Now we do
have this object that's sailing through the metaphor.
metaphorical cosmos that's making its way to
earth. We know it's a five to seven miles wide.
And when you look at some of these photographs,
they're putting off some, what I almost looks
like Christmas lights photos, like they're multicolored,
they're red, they're green, they're yellow, and
they're cascading around. And it looks very exciting
as you look at these photographs. Obviously the
remainder of the scientific community is very
excited about the opportunity to see an object
that they may never see again. in their lifetime.
What it reminds me of though, when we talk about
CO2 and the concentration of most ice, like off
-gassing from this unknown object that's traveling
across our universe, as an untrained person doesn't
know anything about the cosmos, but I do know
how rainbows work. It's the diffusion of light,
meaning that when you look through light, through
a water, much once you have a rain shower and
that rain shower passed, but there's still some
water in the air, you see a rainbow effect that
occurs. I wonder if we're seeing, when we see
those images, is it starlight? Is it sunlight
that's reflecting through this ice that's melting
on this object, passing through our cosmos that
are given it all these fantastical colors that
we see, which I think is very possible. Again,
I don't know what's going on up there, but I
do think it's very possible. But as a person
that specializes in reading folks and I've done
homicide investigations, we always look at the
motivation of why people are making these claims.
And to me, it seems like Avi has. a whole lot
of reasons to make claims that it's going to
be first contact with aliens. And I almost wonder
before this thing comes, is he going to come
out with another book? Yeah. The guy has a pretty
distinguishing. Some of his accolades is he was
the director of the Institute for Theory and
Computation at the Center of Astrophysics. That's
a hard thing to do. He chaired the Department
of Astronomy from 2011 to 2020. And he founded
the Black Hole Initiative back in 2016. I can
read through all of his accolades and all of
his badges, if you would. He also made this claim.
So there are was a supposed impact by, I think,
an asteroid or comet. Now this name is bizarre.
It's mostly just alphanumeric. So it's C -N -E
-O -S two thousand. So this thing apparently
crashed into the ocean and he claimed that he
was able to get a team together and retrieve
parts of this comet from. the seabed and he found
like spheres and he claims these spheres were
part of an alien spacecraft and how he found
it on the ocean floor. I don't know how, unless
somebody is visually tracking it and they're
able to plot the coordinates. I don't know, pinpoint
something in a vast ocean. Like ships sink in
the ocean and we can't find them. But he claimed
to found some spheres and claimed they were part
of an alien starship. At this point, I'm thinking
of advanced alien technology. So was this like
a derelict ship that he claims that just randomly
crashed on the planet Earth? Were the people
on it dead? There's so many different things
that make no sense to me. I find it a bizarre
story and I try to look for pictures of these
spheres. I'm sure they could be made by natural
phenomena. Or he could have just randomly found
some junk from ships or containers that when
he dredged the ocean floor, this came up. So
I found that to be a somewhat interesting fact
about him. Yeah, I think we can make an entire
show on all the kooks that are over at Harvard.
Yeah, true. But it's interesting he comes out
with it. And I'm not trying to discredit the
man, because I'm sure he's very smart and very
well regarded in his field. And I'm not trying
to disparage him in any way. But the rest of
the scientific community does not agree with
him or his analysis of this object that's flying
through our sky right now. I was digging around
on research and trying to find what people think
is actually occurring. Because at the end of
the day, it's really interesting. This is only
the third interstellar object that's transitioned
our solar system since recorded time for us,
that we've observed. One of the theories that
came out of the Christian community that kind
of spin into conspiracy circles is they wonder
if it's warm wood. Have you heard of warm wood?
Yeah, it's the thing that's supposed to crash
into the oceans and make them uninhabitable.
Yeah, so a lot of them think that perhaps this
is the object that's going to do it. Like they
theorize that it's going to... come out of nowhere,
people are not going to understand what's going
to happen. It's going to crash into earth and
it's going to poison our waters and our wells.
And it's going to kill off a lot of people. And
I don't know if that's reality or not, but I
do know our clock is slowly ticking forward to
the world. I think that much can be proven. We're
walking towards that way. That's potentially
one possibility. Yeah. So the reason I don't
believe that. is because Jesus says, nobody knows
the time or date, only the Father does. If you
can observe an interstellar object, you can make
calculations as to when, like roughly when warm
wood or the comet's going to impact the earth.
I honestly think that warm wood is going to be
something that we don't see. We have no clue
it's coming and it's just going to hit us out
of the blue. But no, I can understand how people
could draw that conclusion and put those threads
on the old investigation board. It does make
sense, but I toss that out just with my biblical
viewpoint. Sure. Yeah. I think I do as well.
And I heard some rumors that he was part of the
first Star Wars initiative. Do you know anything
about that? Yeah. So it was a bit eye opening
to see this. So from 1983 to 1988, he led the
first international project supported by the
US Strategic Defense Initiative. So essentially
what that is is like the Star Wars program. Back
in the early 80s, Reagan commissioned the quote
unquote Star Wars program to help track and defend
against ballistic nuclear missiles. So again,
we're pointing back to this guy who is obviously
on the high end of the IQ spectrum. And he knows
what he's talking about in terms of astrophysics,
physics in general. He got his PhD in physics
in 1986 from the Hebrew university of Jerusalem.
He's not some kook standing on the side of the
road yelling the world's going to end tomorrow.
But I do question. some of his conclusion. And
we can talk more about that as we walk through
this 3i Atlas situation. So another interesting
thing is that this comet is supposed to be closest
to Earth on December 19th, 2025. So it's roughly
going to be 165 million miles away from Earth.
So essentially what's happening is rocking past
the planets, going past Mars. It's going to go
past the sun because of the way we orbit, and
it's going to slingshot around the sun and then
come back. toward earth and project or propel
outside the galaxy again. So I think sometime
in October, November going to be hidden by the
sun. So they're not going to be able to observe
it. I did listen to an interesting podcast with
Avi talking directly and he raised the concern
that since they can't observe it because the
sun can, the sun's gravitational pull and it's
factual can speed this comment up and light particles,
according to him, and I don't know if this is
pseudoscience or legit science, but light particles
are very tiny and they can over time affect the
trajectory of the comet. So he was suggesting
that there could be a possibility that given
the current projections of this comet's travel
that Right now, the calculation is saying it's
going to pass 167 million miles away. But he's
saying if something happens on the back end,
the sun's gravity pulls it a little too far,
maybe light particles push it a little too far
out. 167 million miles is a joke in terms of
space. That's someone swinging a fist at you
and they're missing by like a millimeter in terms
of perspective. This thing is close in terms
of interstellar solar objects. So kind of fanning
the flames of fear there is suggesting that we
don't know what kind of effect the sun's gravity
these light particles are going to have. and
this thing could slingshot around and slam right
in the earth. Which sounds scary. Absolutely.
One of the things I got into an interesting conversation
on Reddit the other day in reference to this
topic. And some people said, what if Avi actually
doesn't believe that this object is an alien
spacecraft? What if he's just saying that so
he can divert resources, convince people to divert
resources to observe it? Because at the end of
the day, it's still really interesting. Like
it's something that's coming outside of our galaxy
and passing through. And we should take the opportunity
to potentially make new discoveries, see what's.
occurring. I was thinking if I was trying to
convince somebody, give them something irrational
to focus on the rational. And I wonder if perhaps
that's what he's doing. Trying to convince the
US government, convince NASA, perhaps SpaceX,
depending on what assets they have in the area,
to focus all their time and attention on this
object so that they can photograph it and video
it and hopefully just see something really interesting,
even if it's not. alien in nature passing through.
Yeah. So in this podcast I listened to, he was
trying to actually convince someone in Congress
to convince the powers that be to divert, guess
it's a telescope kind of close to Jupiter. So
what he wants to do, assuming he doesn't crash
and crash on earth and kill us all like the dinosaurs,
he wants to, when it flies back out of our solar
system past Jupiter, he wants to divert one of
the telescopes, the satellite telescopes out
there. can try to start moving it now so it can
get in its path and be within a couple million
miles of it by the time it comes back, I guess
at that point in time, it'd be sometime in 2026.
So he's actually involving congressmen and women
and trying to get them to talk to the powers
that be to use the equipment to get a better
look at it. I just kind of want to go through
a little bit of some of the facts about this,
this 3i Atlas. So it was discovered not too long
ago, July 1st of 25. So we're talking a couple
of months at this point. Right now it's traveling
at 137 miles per hour, which is fast. Apparently
it's the fastest interstellar object that they
have observed that has entered into our solar
system. And the crazy thing about it is that
as it gets closer to the sun, they projected
max velocity is going to be 152 ,000 miles an
hour. So this thing is speeding up. at a pretty
significant rate. I don't know a ton about astrophysics
and the effect that the sun can have on something.
It's roughly adding almost 20 ,000 miles an hour
as it approaches the sun. I'd be curious to see
how that affects the trajectory when it comes
out from the backside of the sun sometime in
November. Yeah, it's hard to say because I'm
not an expert in this stuff. I view it from a
theoretical perspective. I view it from a Christian
lens of how I observe the world. It always makes
me get into a deeper conversation, despite whatever
Avi's talking about, what the other scientists
are talking about. It's what's actually out there.
What did God create beyond our known systems?
Because he talks about creating the stars and
the moon and the sun come from somewhere. I never
really thought about beyond our known creation.
I always wonder, where the heck is this stuff
actually coming from? How big is actually space?
I don't think anybody actually knows. A lot of
people say it's endless. And as our human minds,
at least my human mind says, nothing can be.
endless, at some point it has to end out there
somewhere. So I always wonder, do you have any
thoughts on that? What's beyond it? What are
we looking at? I know scientists say a whole
lot of stuff and most people in human, at least
in our human culture is, hey, they can't even
come to a conclusion if the earth is round or
flat. Like what's beyond those cosmos? Like where's
this thing actually coming from? Yeah. So I think
those people, the flat earthers would say space
is fake, which I don't believe. It's interesting
you said that people say space is endless. So
if you look at mainstream science and physicist,
the universe is constantly expanding. As time
progresses, the theory is this massive whatever
exploded and shoots out in all directions. So
scientists claim that this velocity is actually
gaining speed, so the universe is expanding faster
and faster. So that's why they claim space is
endless, because eventually, the theory is that
as it expands, planets will be further and further
apart, solar systems will start to rip apart.
Eventually, everything will die, which I don't
believe. But that is the premise of that theory.
To me, it's just God's never done creating. He's
still working in our lives, creating things,
making things magical that are way beyond our
comprehension that we will never know until our
final days. But I think there's probably a limit
to our human understanding of what's going on.
And I wonder what God's plan is when he throws
these curiosities into our path that we have
to analyze and project and think about. I almost
wonder, and this may sound crazy, so bear with
me here for a second. Crazy brother, let's do
it. I almost wonder is things like this almost
seem demonic to me. Meaning that if we think
back to biblical times, we think about the tower
of Babel. The tower grew so tall that God broke
it down. And that's where we got our world languages.
Like he separated people so that they could focus
their attention back on God. To me, this asteroid
feels like a distraction of what we should be
thinking about. versus what we are thinking about.
So it may be an alien spacecraft or it may be
a hunk of rock. I feel like it's distracting
people during a time in our world that we can't
really afford to be distracted at this time.
Yeah. So I think this is a good segue to talk
about some of the key conspiracy theories about
3I Atlas. So Loeb, in his paper, he suggested
that it's a hostile alien probe or scout ship.
So he questions if this is hostile tech in disguise,
this trajectory allows easy access to earth.
speculate that it's waking up as it nears Mars
because I think that's when they started... Noting
the glowing tail as an activation signal. Some
tie it to an upcoming U S congressional UAP hearing
a September 9th, 2025, which at this point that
will already happen. No, that's tomorrow claiming
it will expose an alien presence. Some of the
other variants is that it's going to end up releasing
many pro as it passes 165 million miles from
earth is release many probes that hit the earth
or it's going to. So this is a funny one. It's
going to release ghostly orbs. What that means.
I don't know. Some people claim. in these Hubble
images that there's alien drones trailing this
comet. Experts dismiss it as dust or just fragments
of this comet that's blowing off, melting off
as it travels. These things are always weird.
Do you remember, and I don't have the reference
in front of me, so I'm going to talk in generalities
here, but way back in the day, there was this
group of people that drank the magic juice. They
all got together. Are you talking about Heaven's
Gate? That's right. Heaven's Gate. And I think
it was Haley's Comet. The combo passes through
our solar system. Yeah. And they all drank the
secret juice and everybody died, except for maybe
one person that reported it during that time.
It always seems that we have these weird things
that occur when things fly through our solar
system. Yeah, dude, that was crazy because they
thought Lace Comet was a spacecraft and they
thought that it was, I don't know. I should have
done more research on that. I didn't even think
about Haley's, the heavens gate people until
you brought it up, but essentially. They thought
as Haley's comment was coming and you could see
it in the sky, they had to drink this juice to
commit suicide so they could like beam themselves
up to this mothership. But ridiculous theories.
It's crazy what people can convince themselves
of. Kind of, kind of want to circle back to your
point about you said, you think some of this
might be demonic or whatever, but it is interesting.
Like the star of Bethlehem that announced Jesus's
birth. That's how the three wise men found him.
And I think God does use. He does use signs in
the heavens to set off and announce major events.
And just like Wormwood, we talked about Wormwood
a little bit. That's going to be something from
the heavens that's going to smash into the planet
and cause devastation and revelation. I don't
necessarily know if it's demonic per se, but
I do think God uses celestial events to announce
big things, which is interesting. What do you
think about it? It's almost scary. Because we
see the way the world is crumbling apart when
we talk about AI, when we talk about the words
that are occurring right now, when we talk about
all the evil and devastation that's just attacking
our beings and attacking our world together.
And it doesn't seem like we have a clear upward
trajectory as a society of people that's going
to go in a good direction. We talk a lot about,
I worry about the future that my son's going
to grow up in. Little kid now, but I - what the
world's going to look like in 20 years. I feel
like a lot of people probably said that when
World War II was going on, we're just fighting
a different type of war now. That's between powers
and principalities and guns and knives. But it
also makes me think about a topic that we talked
about prior, which was Project Blue Beam. And
how could this be used against us to exact greater
control over society? You want to get back to
Project Blue Beam. He made an interesting comment
back in 2024 and he claimed And it is his viewpoint
that the Messiah will be an alien from outer
space, which ties directly back to project Blooming.
Yeah. A hundred percent. If something happens,
God just created something. He's pushing the
meteor through the sky. But what if you have
somebody really smart, like Elon Musk or some
of these techie guys that take advantage of this
situation. In October, they're going to be actually
taking photographs of this comment. And with
all the AI and all of this creation that we're
seeing, how could you spin it and make it look
like something that is actually not? Dude, so
it's my opinion. If, you know, this thing was
really going to hit Earth, and if it really was
alien technology, we wouldn't know about it until
the last minute. So at this point, we've had
plenty of July to now is not all that long. But
I really think It's my belief that the elites
and the government knew that this was an alien
craft coming or it was going to hit the earth.
They would all be going down to their bunkers
right now and they would tell us two days before
it happened because they don't need us to panic.
They don't need us to raid their bunkers or try
to find them or try to go out in the streets
looting and rioting. If something like this is
going to happen, trust me, you'll get 48 hours
notice and they're all going to be tucked away
and safe and not worried about what's going to
happen to you. Yeah. So man, it's crazy stuff.
Do you know? about any other conspiracy theories
connected to this? Yeah, so I think not too long
ago, it's funny how we're on the same wavelength.
You mentioned something about distraction. So
one of the theories that was presented was that
some claimed this was an announcement to distract
from scandals like the Jeffrey Epstein file release.
Others alleged NASA... Observatories are downplaying
to avoid panic. Again, point back to your distraction
thing. Loeb has faced some, any backlash with
his theories. And I don't even want to get into
that because I don't agree with all that. The
main one was that this kind of appeared and was
made such a big, it's a mainstream news story.
It's not hard to find any information out about
it, but it released right around the time that
Trump was saying there's no. obscene files. Again,
don't look over here, go look over there. This
is cool. This could be dangerous. Maybe not,
but it's still interesting to look at and forget
about this file release. A distraction. Whether
it's a large scale or a small scale, it very
well could be a distraction. In a day, it works.
It is super interesting to figure out what's
actually going to happen. My eyes drained on
what are these October photographs really going
to show us about this object? Because though
I am of the personal lens that it's not an alien
spacecraft, I still think it's some something
we've never seen before, at least in that trajectory
and that phase of it. So I don't know. I think
it's pretty cool to think about. Yeah. So another
conspiracy theory is that this is a decoy or
terraforming tech from advanced aliens. So Loeb
and his collaborators suggest aliens might use
natural looking comments. We touched on this
near the beginning of the episode. They take
these comments and they use them as decoy for
stealth operations. Like I said before, if you
were to observe it, you just see a rock flying
through space. You're like, cool, happens all
the time. Let's not worry about it. Two theories
is that crafts are hiding behind the dust trail
or that they terraform these asteroids. So they
essentially, they gut them out. They create their
living spaces and they add engines and what have
you in order to. blend in with other space rocks.
I always go back to what he said. He goes, some
in the UFO research community speculate that
three eye Atlas, it could be a scout probe sent
deliberately into our system. And the reasoning
here is it's large, highly reflective and came
on a trajectory that looks almost, the unusual
CO2 composition is also treated by believers
as a cloaking device, a disguise that makes it
look. naturalist scientist while being something
else entirely. Which kind of reminds me of Star
Trek or Star Wars, which you're going to see
out there, but we know that technology, at least
in our universe, doesn't exist. But as you usually
say, it seems very fantastical that these things
would come through and it's cloaked and has the
shields up and they're going to shoot probes
out. It just doesn't even seem realistic to me,
even in the realm of possibility. Yeah. Like
the ultimate conspiracy, which is the one I lean
toward is that it's not an alien. It's just a
hoax of self fear. I think that's what it is.
We see like Zacharias Stitchen when we touch
on Planet X later today. That man became world
famous with his theories about Nibiru, the Adi
-Naki. You can't watch a show, an alien show
without Zacharias Stitchen being mentioned. Discovery
Channel, Ancient Aliens. Every book, just about
every podcast you listen to about aliens, that
man's name comes up. So I almost think Loeb is
trying to tap into that. conspiracy, don't trust
your government, don't trust what you're being
told. And ultimately it's meant to sell books,
man. And it's meant to tap into that kind of
alternative news, alternative media, and let's
overhype something so I can sell books, scare
people, and become world famous. I didn't know
a whole lot about this until you brought it up.
But when I started researching for this episode,
you can't see I Atlas without. Oh, he's the first
one to set it, right? Like he's always the first
one out of the gate that says it's alien technology
that we're going to see. And the last time it
turned out not to be true. I think a lot of people
look externally when they think, if they think
aliens exist, they just assume they're going
to be smarter than the human race. But in our
known galaxy, at least what we know here on planet
earth and perhaps whatever else exists out there,
we do know that humans are actually the smartest
beings God ever created. Like we can rationalize,
we can talk, we can create. We're in the image
of God. Perhaps if something else exists out
there, it's more like monkeys and not the superhuman
capable aliens that people want to believe in.
And I was reading that the more like fringe claim
or like what's really circulated in the tabloids
and the conspiracy blog really frames 3i Atlas
as potentially a hostile craft. Arguments cite
it's suspicious timing appearing just as NASA
and ESA prepare major planetary defense programs
and it's fly by of Mars, a planet with multiple
active spaceships, as if surveying human technology.
So they're talking about almost aliens coming
and be like, what are you guys up to? We want
to go check it out. Tap it into our resources
and seeing how they can use it. You can't have
both. It's polar opposites. You can't be much
more sophisticated than us and also want to learn
from us. Somebody's the monkey in that equation.
So it seems like it's just wild, man. Everybody
just throwing theories at the bar. And you have
these super educated. of people that go to Harvard
and graduate from Harvard and that teach at Harvard.
And we want to believe everything that they have
to say, but it kind of gives back to again, motivation
and what's his motivation. And I just wonder,
I would love to retire, make millions of dollars
and talk about aliens all day. Unfortunately
I can't cause I'm not smart enough, but I wonder
where that leaves us. Yeah. I don't know, man.
Didn't Harvard say there's 31 genders and dudes
can have babies and I don't know what happened
to these prestigious universities using logic.
It seems like it went out the window. of, I don't
know, four or five, six, seven years ago, anything
that comes from these universities that tend
to question at this point. Unless it's something
to do with math or some sciences. When you're
super liberal and you're telling me that I can
be a cat man. And when I'm really a woman, like
what, what's happened here? This isn't the Harvard
I remember growing up thinking it's like the
best college in the world. But another thing
I wanted to talk about with Avi is that he had
this interesting theory. It's called Noah's spaceship.
So. Essentially what that is, it's a theory about
directed Pamspermia. So essentially what it means
is he thinks life from other planets can spread
to other planets throughout the solar system,
galaxies, whatever. So essentially what it is
that you load up microorganisms up on a rock
and you shoot it out into space and wherever
it hits. And that is an interesting theory. I
think scientifically, if you believe in evolution,
it would work. But if you don't believe in the
evolution, everything falls apart. But I wanted
to circle back to like your biblical viewpoint.
So I'm not one to ever limit God. I tend to think
that this universe is created around earth and
we're the only thing living here. That's where
I lean. I can change my opinion. I could, that
has nothing to do with anyone's salvation. If
you believe there's aliens or not, but I don't
think. If, say, the universe is infinitely large
and he created tens of thousands of other civilizations.
Let's say all those people didn't eat the apple.
They didn't sin. Why would they want to come
to Earth and possibly be tempted to sin? I think
if there are other life forms that are intelligent
out there that God created, let's say they're
perfect. Let's say they're sinless. Why would
they want to come here? I'd be terrified to come
here. I don't even think God would let you know
we existed. And I think if there are other things
out there, they're going to be so far away that
we'll never get to that. stage of technology
we could ever find them or communicate with them.
I think the aliens that were quote unquote extraterrestrials,
which I guess technically they do fall underneath
that umbrella are demons and angels. That's an
interesting concept. Other people, societies
in the far galaxies that God has created and
they've never taken a bite of the apple. Coming
to earth, visiting us is almost like going to
hell. Right? Because you're going to start to
experience pain and jealousy and hate and violence.
What ghetto is this? I don't know if maybe like
you take a video and look how terrible that place
is. Burn that tape. They do shoot warm wood towards
us. We got to get rid of these people. Jesus
loves us too much. And this is all to find salvation.
But yeah, I thought that directed Pamspermia
was an interesting theoretical concept. But again,
I don't believe in evolution, at least in that
sense. I believe in Natural selection, I believe
in certain environments, you know, if you don't
survive, of course, that human is going to die
out. So the person that's better adapted is going,
but we're not going from monkeys to humans or
fish to monkeys or whatever. Absolutely not.
And I focus on your worldview, meaning that I
think God created this earth and he created everything
or surrounded to support it. I'm not calling
Avi a frog because I don't know the man, but
I don't particularly buy the theory that he's
selling. It just doesn't seem rational to me.
doesn't align with my worldview. Now I think
we've got a lot of damning things to deal with
as a society as we trend closer and closer to
revelations, but I don't buy it. And I do think
perhaps he has ulterior motives to be talking
about that. He's obviously is getting a whole
lot of media spotlight. He's bypassing that academic
caution. Like his theories aren't being tested.
If he goes through the academic progress, he
has to submit papers and they get peer reviewed
and people put input on his writing and it may
take a year. before he ever actually got published.
But if you skip academia and you go straight
to the media and you start talking about aliens,
people listen to you immediately, especially
with a credential that's coming from Harvard.
So perhaps that media spotlight is making him
redirect his attention. The dude's obviously
smart and like you can believe something and
not have evidence and really want other people
to believe it. I'm not like hating on the guy.
I'm sure he believes what he's saying. Sure,
a nice byproduct of that is making a lot of money
by selling books and doing these media circuits
and podcast circuits. Do I think he believes
it? Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I think sometimes people,
when you call someone a fraud, I think the definition
of that is they know it's a lie and they're purposely
doing it to be a huckster. I don't believe this
guy is doing that for that reason. I think the
fame and the money is a nice byproduct. I do
think he believes it and he's a very smart guy
and I could see why someone may be not rooted
in faith. not in the word of God could come to
that conclusion. Sometimes you just want something
to be true because if you don't have faith and
you don't have belief, sometimes this world can
be really crappy and really boring at the same
time. It would be cool. Dude, I loved Star Wars
and Star Trek when I was growing up. Think about
it. You can just fly out in outer space, find
advanced alien civilization. It's a fantastic
fantasy to have. And at one point I wanted to
believe, but I don't. Everything we deal with
around here is Spirit and flesh we battle against
the powers and principalities And I think a lot
of stuff in the sky and a lot of weird crap that
happens in this world is spiritual warfare going
on Yeah, I always think about you see the Very
popular photograph of this comet online. I'm
looking at a picture right now from people .com
and it looks like Christmas lights. Like it's
blue, green, red, yellow. It's all these perfect
little orbs strung together, much like you would
string your Christmas tree. And it reminds me
of one of the stories that you told me is where
the astronomers took a picture of pepperoni and
said it was this foreign galaxy. And I was almost
wondering, can we believe what we're actually
seeing right now? Dude, that's the craziest thing
about this world. I don't. Like 30, 40 years
ago, you could believe what you saw. Now today,
I don't know if you can believe anything. Before
it was essentially like, is this person lying
to me because they're presenting a paper or they're
talking to my ear. But if they came with some
sort of physical evidence that I could actually
visibly confirm, I believe you. Now today. Like
sometimes you can't believe anything on the internet.
I'm not this handsome by mistake. Like it's a
projection. I don't look anything like this.
No, I'm joking. If people would actually see
me, they're like, that guy's ugly. I almost caution
people. You should lean towards not believing
what you see online today. Because of all the
artificial intelligence, you can create videos.
You can mask your identity. You can do all kinds
of crazy things to manipulate the situation.
And you're most better off not believing. Conversely,
20, 30, 40 years ago. That was the only way you
could prove something. And I feel like we're
walking towards that project blue beam. And once
again, where we're talking about it, where it
could be a real life scenario is that you actually
can't and you have to drive discernment into
what you're looking at. And yeah. Amazing things
happen. And I imagine even though we've only
seen three interstellar objects that's passed
by our globe in a relative sense, I'm sure there's
been hundreds, if not thousands of more since
the creation of time before we could actually
observe it. It's probably actually more common
than we realize. It just so happens to be that
we're looking that way and we see it. Perhaps
we're looking at Mars and that's the way it's
going and passing. But what is the end game here?
Why are they bringing it up? Like, why are they
hyping it up? And I distrust it more because
because they say, oh, it's an alien spacecraft.
Oh, it's hostile. Be scared. Live in this state
of fear in reference to this object versus saying,
really cool asteroids coming across. Check it
out. See it. See what we saw. It's not like this
general, I'm sitting at your house and we see
a comet fly across the sky and we're both like,
that's really cool. Check it out. Yeah. No, that
it's going to all kill us. Dude. I think it's
a big nothing burger. That's what I chalk it
up to. Good for him for finding it. Good for
him for putting it out there. Good for him with
his theories. I think what's going to happen.
So slingshot around the sun fly right by his,
nobody will see it. Cause I don't know about
you, but where I live in Pennsylvania, half the
time, my wife, when I look up at the sky to try
to see stars and we're like, Oh, we see two.
Everything's so blotted out anymore. You can't
even see the stars if you wanted to. They even
say the light that you see is actually from dead
planets and dead stars actually don't exist anymore.
It's just some light in the sky that's reminiscent
of it from a hundred thousand years ago. They
almost make space unbelievable. And we see a
lot of things and we haven't really got that
far out in space either. I question if we've
landed on the moon or spacecraft that lives up
where the NASA astronauts go. It's not in like
deep space or anything. It's, they're just right
up. up there. So ultimately there's a lot we
don't know, a lot we don't understand that's
out there. And I think that's for a purpose,
meaning God doesn't really want us to. I don't
know if he ever came out and directly said it
in the Bible, but does life exist beyond earth?
Don't worry about it. That's not what you're
supposed to be worried about now, because it's
ultimately not going to impact you. We live here
on this earth. We should be focused our eyes
towards God and trying to solve real world problems.
And that's why when people invest all this millions
of dollars, I remember this asteroid many years
ago that was flying across the sky and they said,
It contained all this natural resource. And if
they could only capture this asteroid, everybody
in the world would have a billion dollars because
it was this famous mineral. And we're never going
to catch it. I mean, dude, I can't buy a washing
machine that lasts more than two years. We're
going to catch an asteroid and mine it? Like
my car. Like I bought a new car. The engine blew
up after a year. Like what? I mean, you might
shoot a rocket up there and blows up when it's
3000 feet in the air. Like you're going to capture
an asteroid. Get out of here. It's like the movie
Armageddon. Like they're going to go up there
and block it. What are they doing? They're like,
they're having mining equipment on there to save
the world or something. Pitting nukes and holes.
Yeah. Alter the path. Yeah. Apparently we lost
the technology that got us to the moon. And even
though it was this iPhone has like a million
times more technology than the moon spacecraft.
You lost it? You probably lost it because it
was simple mathematics. It's not that hard to
recreate. A lot of it comes down probably to
funding. The more fantastical I can tell you
it is, the more crazy it is. You're going to
give me a whole lot more money to research it,
to pay my bills, to do my thing, to make it work.
Dude, I just think at the end of the day, all
the money's going toward the global control grid.
They don't care what's in space. Listen, it would
be amazing to go out and colonize Mars and the
moon. live this fantastic sci -fi type existence
where you're a great explorers man is supposed
to be explorers that's in our heart that's what
we are we like to explore like i go on vacation
my wife likes to lay on the beach i like to go
explore the area but Dude, all the money's going
toward weapons in the control grid. Like this
5G, the 6G, smart cities. They don't care what's
out there. They throw $100 million of NASA to
see it and tell them you're doing something.
They go take some pictures of pepperoni or something.
I don't care what you do with it. Yeah. I don't
know. 31 Atlas. Interesting concept. I think
the front man for it is smart fella. I think
he believes it. I think he's going to fly past
us on December 19th. They'll take a picture and
be like, oh, it's a wreck. Cool. You know, we'll
probably not even get a picture. I'll just get
like the tail end of it as it goes by. Yeah.
We took a picture of the wrong rocks. Dang it.
It's an interesting theory though, because you
bring up Mars. Obviously Elon wants to colonize
Mars and Jeff Bezos wants to pit people on the
moon and manufacture. From my Christian worldview,
it's always an interesting concept. Do you think
we're actually going to do that? Because Revelations
comes really more complicated if we have societies
living on these different worlds during that
time. Do I think it's going to happen though?
I don't I really don't if I think best case scenario
you get someone to the moon and you drill for
Revelation happens on earth like great. I'm gonna
die on the moon Like that sucks and get back
home So this is so we're going in rabbit holes.
So there's a couple interesting theories I don't
believe any of them, but one theory is that okay,
so we're talking about project blue game So there's
one theory that like Jesus is coming back to
earth in a spaceship with like his angels to
come and destroy all the bad people. And one
of the theories is that the government's going
to try to freak everybody out about this alien
invasion, try to fight off Jesus. And they don't
want you, like when he comes in his alien spaceship,
that they want you to be afraid of him. They
don't want you to think he's a Messiah. And we're
going to band together as like a one world order
to fight Jesus and his angels. Ridiculous theory
in my opinion. And the other one, which I don't
know, it's one of those theories again, salvation
doesn't really depend on it. Is that there were
other civilizations pre -earth that were on Mars.
I think there was another one called Rahab. It's
there's like an asteroid belt somewhere between
us and Mars. And they said that used to be a
planet that was inhabited, that was destroyed
in some sort of angelic war. Again, it doesn't
really, I have to do a much deeper dive to suss
all that out. Again, it doesn't, your salvation,
if you believe it or don't believe it, it's not
gonna go to heaven or hell because of that belief.
Those are interesting theories that the first
one that I mentioned, Jesus coming back with
an army of spaceships, I think is complete BS.
But the other one, I don't know. I like to pretend
like in my sci -fi brain, okay, I can make that
make sense. Avi loves making this. 31 Alice makes
sense for him. We hear all these crazy things
and that the Jesus in his spaceships might be
the craziest one I ever heard. I haven't heard
that one before, but I don't think Jesus needs
spaceships. It brings up a lot of these crazy
theories. We saw in the earliest 20th century,
astronomer Persilv Loal speculated about Planet
X to explain the orbital irregularities of Uranus
and Neptune, really the subsequent discovery
of Pluto. And it didn't really resolve those
issues, but they were looking for this Planet
X and then they said they discovered Neptune
and they theorized that there's this planet in
our solar system that we just can't see, but
it exists there and it's several times the size
of Earth's mass and it's there. and it's inhabited.
I find it really unlikely that this planet X
exists or I think later was called planet nine
because we've been out that far with different
probes and stuff. It's just, it reminds me of
all these crazy things folks are talking about.
Yeah, it's called the ninth planet. I think what
astronomers realized or what they observed was
that there had to be like a ninth planet on the
edge of our solar system. I think Percival, or
I can't remember his name, found Pluto. Pluto
was so small, I think it's 20 % of the mass of
the moon. And they eventually said, this gravitational
force is so weak that I wouldn't explain some
of these trans -Newtonian objects. So they speculate
that there's something out there. beyond Neptune,
that is clustering a bunch of rocks together
because, and it has to be like something like
five times the mass of the earth in order to
keep all these asteroids, moons, whatever you
would call them from shooting off into either
solar system or out of the solar system. But
they haven't been able to see it. And like you
said, they think that whatever the planet's made
out of, it's not really reflecting light or it's
only observable in infrared. So it doesn't really
have some sort of visible light signature that
we as humans can see. see, but you have to observe
it through infrared and they still can't find
it. But I think through astrophysics calculations,
that's something that has to be out there that
they haven't discovered yet. Yeah. A lot of people
connect it to a guy by the name of Zachariah
Satichian's book. He calls it the 12th planet.
Many people call it the ninth planet. He introduced
the ideal of the Nibiru. I think I'm saying that
name correctly, which is the home of the Anakki,
which is he quotes. quotes an advanced alien
race who visited Earth in antiquity and genetically
modified humans and established these early civilizations
here on planet Earth. According to his theory,
the Nibiru returns every 3 ,600 years on a long
elliptical orbit. Do you know about these guys?
Yeah, Zacharias Stitchin, he surmised the existence
of Nibiru. And like you said, it floats around
every 3 ,600 years. So essentially it's inhabited
by a race called the Anunnaki. So what happens
is every 3 ,600 years as it gets closed, the
Anunnaki hop on their spaceships, go to earth,
take what they need, mainly golden women, go
back through a planet and then say, see you for
another 3 ,600 years. So he uses the Sumerian
texts to deduce this race and this. orbit, but
essentially his theory, his premise is that these
Anunnaki genetically engineered monkeys to help
us evolve into humans. So essentially what they
wanted to do was use as a slave labor to mine
the gold because they need the gold to repair
their atmosphere. ridiculous theory. I think
he takes a lot of liberty with his translations.
A lot of scholars are saying a lot of his conclusions,
he makes some BS and lots of his conclusions
are all over the place. And if you really understood
Sumerian, which I don't think a lot of people
do, it's a dead language. So I don't even know
how you can have a dead language without any
sort of root language to even reference, to even
validly translate some of these scrolls. But
basically he claims that the Anunnaki genetically
engineer does slave labor and they're coming
back in 3 ,600 years to do the same thing. This
whole Planet X thing is an episode by itself.
I just think we're just touching on it and talking
about it. I always find it funny that the Sumerian
texts claim, according to Stygian, that these
aliens, I just think, I think the fallen angels
fell to earth. They made it with women. They
created giants. And again, it's taking something
that is spiritual and pointing it to let's look
outside of God. Let's call it aliens. Let's take
the focus off God and our creators are really
something out there in the universe that we really
don't understand. Yeah. I think you mentioned
the Anunnaki characters when we were talking
about Antarctica and some of the theories that
are floating down there where, you know, the
people that may live there, the Anunnaki who
are hiding out. What I found interesting is some
theorists suggest that planet X is not actually
a natural planet at all, but really this kind
of artificial mega structure. And they call it
a Dyson spear -like craft. And here's the word
I'm keying in on, right? Cloaked alien world.
They argue that this explains why it has evaded
telescopes despite gravitational hints. And why
I'm keying in on cloaked is because here we go.
We heard this name cloaked again. It goes back
to 3I Atlas, where they think it's a cloaked
alien craft. And now we're talking about Planet
X, where they think we can't just see it because
it's cloaked. Not that we can actually cloak
anything here. We never. figure out how to cloak
anything. We could hide it from radar, but that's
about as best as we can make something invisible.
But all of a sudden, all these things have theoretically,
everything out there in the vector is cloaked,
hidden. And from us, from some type of special
alien technology, I just find that. I guess you
have to, we'll have to dive into the Philadelphia
experiment because they claim to have cloaked
a ship that fused people onto the boat. Maybe
we have cloaked something. I don't know. Yeah,
but I know what you're talking about. I think
they're called Dyson spheres. that go around
the planet. They can do all kinds of wild stuff.
They always go down these. So you have the levels
where it just exists and you can't see it as
blocked by Mars or whatever. It's cloaked, so
it's invisible. Even though it exists, you can't
see it. And then in the New Age or the apocalyptic
belief system, Planet X is framed not as a physical
world, but as a spiritual entity or dimensional
body. And these stories, its appearance, coincides
with a shift in human consciousness. Or a global
cleansing that occurs, which is interesting as
well. Dude, like the whole 2012 Mayan apocalypse,
like it was tied back to Lisa Lucy, to Zachariah
Stitchin's theory of Nibiru. These people come
up with these wild theories and then they set
dates for these cataclysmic events that happen
and they never happen. And even now today, I
was listening to a podcast about Planet X and
this guy is, yeah. So there's something called
Nemesis, which is, so he claims that our solar
system is a binary. star. So essentially what
that means is like a lot of, I think something
like 80 or 90 % of solar systems out there have
two stars, so two suns. So he was saying we're
not the exception to the rule, but the sun is
like a black hole sun. So it doesn't really project
light, just black, but it's technically another
sun. I don't know how you're going to have a
sun that doesn't project light. I guess we can
get into this in a different episode, but there's
three, I think this fella, I can't remember his
name, said that there were like three planets
circling the second. quote unquote, black sun
around us. And one of those planets is Nibiru.
And I think he called the sun nemesis. So essentially
what he's saying is he claims that you can look
at the sun at certain times of the year and see
this black sun behind. I think it's lens flare.
That's just me. I don't know. Last time you tried
to stare at the sun, if you stare at it for more
than half a second, you're going to have a black
spot in your vision. And I'm assuming a lot of
our optical instruments probably have the same
issue with intense direct light from the sun,
or it's just lens flare from your lens. Yeah.
I think it just goes back to over a century.
Astronomers really have whispered about the missing
planet. First, it was Lowell's planet X. Later
it was Caltech's model of the giant planet nine.
five that was five to ten times the size of Earth's
mass lurking on the edges of the solar system.
Some say shepherds dissent cupra belt objects
into the odd orbits, others dismiss it as a bias
in the data. But I think here's the pattern.
Every time our instruments improve, we get new
hints that something big is out there. Now in
conspiracy circles, Planet X is far from hypothetical.
It's the hidden world of the Anuki. Ancient gods
or alien engineers who created humanity waiting
to return on their long orbit. The name shifts,
the predictions fail. The story never dies. Why?
Because deep down we know we don't have the full
map. The government says, don't worry about it.
But at the same time, the Rubin Observatory is
preparing to scan the skies with the power to
finally prove it. if Urban finds something, will
they even tell us? Or will Planet Nine or the
New Brewer just become another classified event?
I think what it points to is we don't know what
we don't know, and we're afraid somebody's not
going to tell us if they find something. And
it's always just going to be this giant conspiracy
theory out there. that will never die. And I
think it's human nature to say, I think the president
knows something that I don't know, and I really
want to know it. And I feel like it's going to
impact me. But at the end of the day, I don't
think it will. Yeah, I agree, man. I think Planet
X is, again, another cool sci -fi story. There's
another interesting character named Nancy Leiter.
Back in 95, she claimed to be a contactee. There
we go, red flag, saying that she received messages
from extraterrestrials. And she linked her story
with Zacharias Stitchens' work. And she essentially
says that every 3 ,600 years when this planet
passes by, it's like a catastrophic doomsday
scenario, like complete and total annihilation
of Earth where only a handful of people survive.
A lot of people also tie in Noah's flood to the
passing of Nibiru. So they're saying every 600
years this planet comes by. It destroys the earth.
Only a handful of people live. Again, taking
everything out of God's judgment. I'm not saying
that God can't use whatever he wants to use to
judge the earth, but I don't think he needs a
rock or a hidden planet to cause the blood. I
think he needs to speak and it happens. Yeah,
man. I think Planet X is going to have to be
its own episode because that's going to be a
long one, and that's a deep dive. And yeah, I
think we did a good job touching on some of the
main characters. But yeah, I noticed in my camera,
what are you sipping on? Yeah, so have you seen
these Aspire integer drinks yet? I usually drink
these because we podcast late at night, at least
late for this old guy who has two little kids
and works a full -time job. But they keep me
awake and it's not overwhelming like energy content.
It's only like 80 milligrams of caffeine and
it really comes from natural sources. So if I
drink a lot of coffee in the morning, I might
feel a little bit jittery. But when I drink these,
it just keeps me awake long enough to talk about
these really cool conspiracy theories. I don't
know if you've tried them, man, but you should
check them out. They help out to get through
these long conversations. You can't survive all
two hours of sleep with two little kids? Come
on, man. I've probably had one or more of these
Aspire Energy drinks to keep me awake as we go
through these conversations. You probably need
like one an hour, bro. I mean, that's awesome.
But you have any closing thoughts, my man? I
think about it from a... human perspective. If
you're a person that believes in these space
phenomenons as much as I believe in God, you're
probably going to come up with a million excuses
why you should continue to explore it. Whether
it's pointing satellites or building starships
or shooting things into outer space, you're going
to try to convince people to pour money to planetary
defense and to observe in our galaxy to continue
on. What we do know is that things fly through
our galaxy all the time, whether it's hunks of
rock or CO2 or water or whatever the case may
be, whatever God created up there. But if you're
of that belief that something exists out there,
you're going to do the best you can to convince
somebody to continue to pour money into it. And
I think that's what we see with Planet X or Planet
Nine or whatever version they're calling it today
is that people truly believe it. Whether they
have a whole lot of credentials or no credentials
at all. They believe something exists out there
and they want us to use our resources to find
it. And when I look at it from my Christian lens,
if they believe as hardly as I do about how much
I believe in God, I understand it. Not that I
believe in it, but I understand the motivation
behind trying to convince everybody else to look
that way, to give their paycheck over, fund these
fantastical things that are potentially out there.
I go back to my Christian worldview that I think
all that matters here is what God created in
our own world. It's your brothers, it's your
sisters, it's your mom, it's your dad, it's your
friends, it's whoever. It's your society of the
people. And what I think we should be doing is
investing in our people, not investing in shooting
rockets out of space. There's so much yet to
be uncovered. here on planet Earth. We have hardly
explored much of Antarctica. We haven't gone
to the deepest depths of the ocean. There's so
much good that got right here that we should
be investing in, that we should be improving
our societies with, that we should be helping
folks. So does it exist or does it not exist?
I'm not the man to say. I'm not an expert in
that field. But what I can tell you is it probably
doesn't matter. I think what matters is here.
Amen, brother. Amen. Yeah, man, I think... Space
is memorizing. I used to be so infatuated with
it when I was a kid. And it's a place of like
endless imagination and just fun thinking what's
out there. But at the end of the day, I do see
the need possibly in the future, if Christ doesn't
come back soonish, that this planet just keeps
the population is growing. And yeah, I guess
you could make the argument that there might
be stuff we need on the moon in terms of resources.
There might be stuff we need on Mars in terms
of resources, but. You know, what those resources
are, they're dead planets. There's not food,
there's not water, at least water that is not
frozen. I just, I don't know why we're doing
it. But like you said, man, we've got homeless
vets, you have mental health crisis. We've got
people in Africa that don't have clothes. Let's
try to reprioritize and let's do what God told
us to do. Let's take care of the poor. Let's
make sure people have at least food and water
and shelter. How about we take care of that?
Like, why are we spending billions in space when...
whatever's up there is not really going to help
those people that are in need. Everything else
is a distraction. But we appreciate you tuning
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Forget about 3i Atlas. It's going to pass by
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see it in the sky because it's so cloudy and
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