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Let's crack it open. This episode dives into
one of the most ambitious and perhaps controversial
experiments in modern governance, a semi -autonomous
city called Prospera. located on the island of
Roatan, just off the northern coast of Honduras.
Before we begin, let me make something very clear.
Everything discussed in this episode is based
on publicly available sources, including company
websites, media reports, and government statements.
The goal here is to analyze and question, not
to accuse or defame. All individuals and organizations
mentioned are presumed to be acting within the
bounds of applicable law unless proven otherwise.
Now with that said, Let's dig in. Prospera is
what's known as a charter city, launched in 2017
by a US -based company called Honduras Prospera
Incorporated, which is registered in the state
of Delaware. The city isn't just a business zone.
It's essentially its own legal microstate, operating
with independent laws, tax codes, and even its
own arbitration courts, separate from the national
system of Honduras. The ideal behind Prospera
is to create a deregulated hub that attracts
foreign investment by making it easy to start
a business, resolve disputes privately, and avoid
the bureaucracy and inefficiencies often found
in developing nations. It was founded by Eric
Bremen, a Venezuelan -born finance executive.
and Gabriel Delgado Alou, a Guatemalan entrepreneur.
Their vision was fueled by investments from well
-known libertarian and tech personalities, including
Peter Thiel, Sam Altman, and Preetri Freedman,
author entities like Promos Capital, which is
known for backing experimental governance projects.
Prospera's govern using a unique structure. Around
44 % of its ruling council is appointed directly
by the company. and another 22 % of the votes
are given to landowners, with more land meaning
more influence. That's not just a metaphor. That's
actually how the model works. To put it plainly,
if you're a large investor, you wield large political
power. If you're a local resident without land,
you simply don't. Critics have argued this amounts
to a corporate monarchy, where democratic norms
are replaced by shareholder rights. For opponents'
claim, it's a necessary innovation. the kind
of governance startup that could be more efficient
and prosperous than traditional models. Either
way, it's a dramatic departure from representative
democracy. In 2022, the political climate in
Honduras changed. The newly elected government
under President Castro repealed the independent
city law that allowed zones like Prospera to
operate. The state's reason? national sovereignty.
But Prospero wasn't about to pack up and leave.
Instead, its parent's company launched a 10 .7
billion legal claim against the Honduran government
under international trade laws, particularly
CAFTA, which is the Central American Dominican
Republic free trade agreement with the U .S.
The claim is essentially this. Honduras changed
the world's mid game, and now the investors are
demanding compensation for lost opportunities.
Depending on your point of view here, this is
either a defense of international investor rights,
or it's a case of private entity trying to strong
arm a sovereign nation. Now here's where things
take an interesting turn from politics to biotech
experimentation. One of the startups operating
in Prospera is called MiniCircle, a Delaware
registered company conducting Hume gene therapy
trials within the city's jurisdiction. These
include experimental treatments for HIV. muscular
dystrophy, ALS, and life -extension therapies
involving folistatin, a gene linked to muscle
growth and anti -aging effects. Because Prospera
isn't bound by FDA or European regulatory systems,
these trials can proceed far faster and far cheaper
than they could in the United States. According
to Minicircle, a clinical trial that would cost
millions in the U .S. can be launched in Prospera
for just a fraction of the cost in under a year.
There's also Amphetita, a community focused on
radical life extension, decentralized science,
and blockchain -based health care. Its founder,
Nikolas Annazinger, envisions a space where people
can take more control over their health outside
of traditional medical hierarchies. This isn't
science fiction. These projects are actively
underway, but not everyone is on board. The Honduran
Ministry of Health has declared some of these
human trials illegal and unauthorized, warning
they may endanger participants and bypass necessary
and needed safety protocols. And in 2024, biohacking
communities in Prospera reportedly began experimenting
with implantable tech, including magnetic fingertip
implants and other body augmentation like RFID
chips implanted in their hands. This raises a
question. How much freedom is too much? And at
what point does radical innovation become dangerous
and exploitative? Economically, Prospera isn't
just a biotech hub. It's a crypto forward jurisdiction.
Bitcoin is legal tender. and residents can become
e -citizens from anywhere in the world. Administrative
tasks from identity verification to dispute resolution
are handled through a digital governance platform
inspired by Estonia's e -government model. This
is part of a larger vision to decentralize not
just finance, but governance itself. In theory,
you don't need a passport. You just need a wallet
and an address. Again, some call it revolutionary.
Others call it a way to bypass accountability.
and remove political protections from the public.
Despite pushback, Prospera is still expanding.
They've partnered with Magnita Wad, a single
needs entrepreneur, to explore a new zone called
Prospera Africa. And they're looking at trade
corridors with similar legal loopholes that could
support more charter cities. They also continue
building on Rotan Island with biotech facilities,
startup incubators, and infrastructure projects
aimed at attracting global talent and digital
nomads. But the future remains unclear. Honduran
government is fighting to reassert control. Legal
battles are ongoing, and the ethical questions
are stacking up. Here's what we know. Prosperity
is a real place. It exists today. It is home
to real businesses, real experiments, and real
legal disputes. Depending on your worldview,
it's either a beacon of progress or a canary
in a coal mine for a privatized, post -democratic
world. This story isn't over yet. And like many
modern frontiers, The boundaries between innovation
and overreach are still being drawn. Now I've
got to ask you, brother, do you see this kind
of governance as a genuine opportunity for progress
or a troubling move away from democratic norms?
There's a ton of regulation in the United States.
It's a ton of regulation in the EU. So I think
it's great that companies can go out and bypass
that regulation. But at the same time, I think
it's bad because the FDA and everything else
we have set up in this country is meant to have
stuff that is controlled. And if something terrible
happens or there's a terrible side effect, they
cut it immediately. So I almost think it's a
way to circumvent some of those agencies we have
in place and who's watching them. Making sure
everything's done ethically, scientifically and
who they're reporting it to. You can really find
a whole lot about the accountability structure
there, especially in terms of business governance,
medical governance. It almost seems like a tax
shelter for super rich people. They can send
their pet projects down there, not have the government
looking over their back. Poss spend money that
instead of spending millions, maybe they're spending
pennies on the dollar to do some of the research
they want to do. And then I know another concept
that kind of came up was corporate colonialism.
So what's the keep mega corporations? And I even
argue, even in our country, like we live in a
corporatocracy where big corporations, big donor
control or politicians, you know, they're sliding
under the table and they're paying them off for
the votes. It's probably much easier to go down
there and do it and just pay off the local government
and have them turn a blind eye. But it sounds
like the government, they're trying to push back
a little bit and they're out to ask questions.
It reminds me of the oligarchs that you see in
Russia where the kind of the minority controls
the majority. Though at times, like in the United
States, we still have some of them, like Elon
Musk, Jeff Bezos, all the multi -billionaires
that we see that have influence over culture
and politics within the United States. But what's
really interesting about places like Prospero
is it's distilled down. It's this really small
environment that's run by these very powerful
people. If we talk about Chachi P .T. and we
talk about the revolution of artificial intelligence,
Sam Altman is invested. So these very powerful
people are coming together. And not only are
they having their wild ideals, wild theories,
some may be beneficial. Some may help people
see or walk again. Some might help folks, but
inevitably there's going to be some bad things
that come out of there. How I think about this
is that our world is really rolled by the almighty
dollar. We're going to do things to make that
money. And it may not always be a beneficial,
but now, as you said, they're cutting out the
loopholes. They are voting themselves. Voting
is based on land owner rights and the amount
of property you have. So it's really almost empowering
people like the more you own, the more influence
you have within the society. And I think that's
what kind of scares me. And as we start to look
at places like Prospera in different kind of
tech startup cities that are within these Honduran
environments where they can make and have their
own laws, where I think we start to trend more
towards like the one world kind of government
prototype. And when you look at it, the book
of revelations really warns of global authority
that rises in the final stage, a centralized
power rolling over every tribe, people, language,
and nation. Prospera, though in a very kind of
micro scale, reflects this concept with really
stunning precision in my mind. It bypasses national
laws. It builds his own arbitration courts. So
if you get in trouble, Yeah, the people in Prospera
are the ones that's going to find you wrong.
And they're going to give you whatever your sentence
is or your penalty, whether it be monetary or
prison. And I don't know if they've ever even
crossed those bridges yet, but they have their
own courts and it's online. It's worldwide. It's
not just in Prospera. It's an arbitration court.
That's all over. I use it in my current company
to arbitrary findings. And we do that in a lot
of contractual negotiation. They just offer citizenship
to everybody to build this mighty civilization.
And again, There could be some very good aspects
of it. But if you put that power in the wrong
people's hands, I worry about what could transpire.
Yeah, I think they're still subject to the criminal
law of Honduras. So I think the courts they have
set up there are more for business contracts,
that type of arbitration. I still, I'm like 99
% sure that if somebody commits a crime, they're
still subject to the... Honduran government.
Did you find that to be the case too? That's
what my research told me. I think there's a big
battle going on. Obviously with the election
of the new president there in Honduras, there's
a struggle. They want to have more influence
in these kind of micro independent cities. But
if you ask a representative of somebody like
Prospera, they're going to say that they roll
it and govern their own society. Like they make
their own laws, they enforce their own laws.
I was actually even looking at one of their websites
to see what types of jobs were available. And
it was like, I forget the exact title of the
job, but it was basically like lead security
officer, which was basically like the chief of
police that would enforce the laws and regulations
within that environment. I have the background
for it. So put this with my law enforcement and
stuff. If I did not apply, no, I'm not going
to Prospera. They feel like they really can.
And this in Honduras here is really a test bed.
And what we're seeing now is the expansion. So
they want to go to other countries. where maybe
they have more control and influence within that
environment. And I think that's really concerning
because if a billionaire says you're impeding
progress because I'm going to throw you in jail
and that's the law now, that's pretty troubling
of what direction we're headed in. Yeah. The
other thing I found interesting. So I was curious
about the tax rate. So like in this ZA or this
special economic zone that they have set up the
flat tax. So it's a flat tax, which I think is
brilliant. I think every government should impose
a flat tax instead of income, state, local, all
that crap. So it has a flat tax of five percent,
has a business tax of one percent, and it has
zero percent gains tax. And so they collect the
money and then they give 12 percent of that pile
that they collect to the government. So I'm like,
wow, this seems like a tax shelter. They keep
the money. In the U .S. there's like 15 percent
capital gains tax and you know all the tax brackets
and like it's much much more significant than
a 5 % flat income tax. And you know, business
taxes can be brutal here and capital gains tax
or sometimes that can keep people from actually
investing their money because they don't want
to hold on to it for a year or hold on to their
investment for a year. Did you get the opportunity
to see how people pay their tax bill? Yeah, through
Bitcoin. Yeah, Bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah. Which is
a big thing down there. It's a huge thing. They're
like one of the first transactional societies
that rely solely on Bitcoin in order to pay their
bills. within their society. That also kind of
harkens back to that one world government of
how you can use one item to have transactions
across the world. Not that you couldn't use the
almighty dollar within any region, but Bitcoin's
the same. A dollar's worth a lot more in China
versus Singapore. The exchange rates change as
you pay your bills, but Bitcoin doesn't. It's
on the blockchains. All these things are starting
to build around to get towards that one world
government. Think is a little bit scary. Yeah,
but man you imagine It's a all those cryptos,
especially Bitcoin. Yes stable stabilized over
the past like 12 months But dude like you one
day it might be a hundred and seventeen thousand
dollars per Bitcoin the next Six months later
might be sixty thousand dollars. I mean, that's
pretty wild that you're holding on to a currency
That's that is that volatile and you think about
it say you're you're providing a service there
and You know, you're paying with Bitcoin and
you're stashing it. Heck, you might wake up one
day and be a multi -millionaire just because
Bitcoin took off. But no, I do agree with you.
The blockchain is scary. I know the government
here in the U .S. is anti TBDC, which essentially
is just saying they don't want to spy on you
with your crypto. They claim they don't want
to track you, but every transaction has to be
validated through the blockchain. So every transaction,
every wallet, they know who owns the wallet.
They see what wallet it's going to. They can
make the inferences to what you bought. And the
scary thing at the end, like in Revelations,
at the end of time, he says you can't buy, sell,
or trade without the mark. And the way to do
that is to get rid of any sort of fiat currency,
any sort of paper, even trying to get rid of
bartering. So then if they implement it, the
blockchain would be a perfect tool to debank
someone, to take away all their money, to put
a freeze on their crypto wallet. I think China
does some of that stuff now. I was watching a
YouTube video where They're so heavily monitored
with cameras and everything else, and they have
the social credit system. If you jaywalk, because
they're tracking you on an app, they'll deduct,
they'll just, instead of getting a ticket and
choosing to go to court, they'll just find you
on your phone and you'll get a text saying of
$20 was, was charged because of this ticket.
And that's freaking wild. And that is super scary.
They actually do it with speeding as well. So
they monitor your phone and knowing how long
it gets from point A to point B. If you get there
too fast, they just shoot you a speeding ticket
for it. That's not right. Talk about ultimate
control. Can you imagine? Say we're doing this
podcast. Let's fast forward 10 years and we say
something on this podcast. Next thing we go to
the checkout, try to scan our cards or scan our
Bitcoin wallet or whatever. And it's like you
froze out. And you don't even have an explanation
just because maybe re -criticized someone or
something or some policy. Can you imagine that,
bro? That would be rough. I lived in Hong Kong
for a little while, so it wasn't under the same
rules and regulations of mainland. I got to see
some of it. And people are really scared of this
kind of social score that was assigned to folks.
They were kind of controlled by it because not
only it wasn't just, oh, you're a bad person.
shunned by society. It was tied to your credit
score. So if you got arrested or you did something
bad, your social score would drop down. And because
of that, now you can't apply for a loan to buy
a house. So a lot of people were in fear of it,
that they were going to take the proper actions
and follow along the path. But maybe that comes
next for these types of startups. How much more
can they tie into control? in order to achieve
their ends means. I know that there's a lot of
powerful billionaires out there. I know I worked
for one at Amazon Web Services and the more he
can squeeze out of you, the better off he was.
That's why he's living on yachts. When I worked,
the top salary was, if you were a CEO of a company,
the step down from Jeff, the top salary during
that time was 100K. That's the most you can make.
You get RSUs, but That was the most you could
make during that time. I think it's changed a
little bit now that Andrew Jassy has come along,
but that influence of these very powerful people,
I think is what's ultimately concerning. But
as we kind of walk it back and we talk about
all the stuff that they're doing over there in
Prosperity, which they could be doing in many
parts of the world. And as we continue to talk
about this one world government and the revelations,
I think the next big scary thing is the implant
technology that they're doing today. And I don't
know if you've seen any of these, I'm going to
call out Yes Theory because I watched their YouTube
video, but they're doing a lot of these implant
technologies. And as you talked about the mark
on the hand or on the forehead, they're doing
these types of implants. I saw magnets get implanted
in fingertips, right? And they're supposedly
giving them like another sense. A lot of electricians
are doing them so they could feel the right wire
to pull when they're working in the field. But
it ultimately doesn't stop there. They're doing
some good things. They're doing some stuff with
stem cell. therapy to help folks, but this is
just what they're telling us, right? Of what
they're implanting. And a lot of it's for vanity
reasons, right? Like we always think about like
breast augmentation. That's a vanity thing that
we do in the United States. But a lot of these
things are for vanity. They just kind of want
to be upgraded, almost like a cyborg human being.
And like, where does that stop? That's what ultimately
really scares me because I think it's, I saw
it get implanted on the right hand in that video.
So what do you think about that? Yeah, I mean,
it's I think with everything, like it starts
off small. So they want to make it cool and trendy
and they get this implant and you can do all
these cool things with it. Who knows what they
can do. Obviously Elon Musk has Neuralink and
you see that story about the dude who's a paraplegic.
They implanted something in his head and he's
able to play video games just with his mind.
It's wild. I did. Yeah, it's crazy. So just think
about the amount of information you can sort
through in a short amount of time. I'm standing
here looking at the screen, I have all these
tabs up. I'm trying to look at the video stream.
Imagine if you just sat back as you're talking,
I can just close my eyes or even look at the
screen and just see everything I needed to see.
But it always starts very innocuous, very innocent.
And like you said, vanity is a big thing or even
for health reasons. But it is scary, but I just
don't think you can say If you're the devil trying
to bring the Antichrist around, I don't think
you can just wake up one morning, everyone's
getting a chip in their hand and in their forehead.
You can't do that because nobody would buy it.
So I think over the coming years, decades, 99
% of the people are going to have some sort of
implantable technology in their body. And the
selling point is going to be health. It's going
to be the ability to learn instantaneously. Imagine
if you had a chip in your head and I can learn
Spanish in 30 seconds because all those neural
pathways are built instantly. The chip's able
to communicate. You're going to have AI in your
head, man. You're going to have a demon in your
head telling you the worst, terrible crap eventually.
It's also really about normalizing it, getting
people used to it. I think we talked a little
bit about that in Project Blue. Just getting
people used to the ideal, regardless of what
it is. So when the next big step happens that
everybody's got an end plan, what's the big deal?
reflect back on the Mark of the Beast and implantable
technology. In Revelation 13, 16 through 17,
the Mark of the Beast is really described as
a condition for buying and selling. It placed
on the right hand or the forehead. And what I
started seeing is like they're doing these implants
in their hands, probably among other places.
And they're also doing Bitcoin at the same time.
So how soon does that connect? Where they're
just starting to pay with their hands and they're
starting to buy and sell with these implants
that they have for it as well. Like to me, I'm
starting to see those breadcrumbs as we come
along. I'm starting to see this connective tissue
as we go down the way. They're, they're definitely
building the infrastructure. You remember these
can fit when we were growing up. Oh, how many
people had these when we were kids? Very few.
Very few. Now little kids have them. The next
thing is something you implant. You're here and
you won't need this probably in 20 years because
I could make a phone call with the implant in
my head my my body I could just think about calling
Dave and it's gonna ring or whatever it does
and we'll be having to conversate probably you
probably have to speak man. He goes here But
like you said this is normal now this wasn't
normal 20 years ago, but like you said it's all
about conditioning normalizing and just making
life so difficult if you didn't have one. Life
for me would be difficult if I didn't have this
bad boy. A hundred percent. I think a lot about
that, how much technology has come along the
way because even, you know, I was driving to
the grocery store today. You really don't think
about it, but you have GPS now. So if you're
going to like a special restaurant to take your
wife to, you pop the GPS on and you follow Google
Maps to like that restaurant. 15 years ago, we
didn't have that. I remember printing out, uh,
map instructions to drive back to college and
hoping I don't miss a street because if I did,
it ain't going to reroute me. You remember when
we were going back five, six, seven, eight, mom
and dad used to have freaking maps and they used
to bust out the map and mom would plot the course
and then inevitably they would miss a turn and
have to get lost in the middle of nowhere. You
go to the gas station, try to figure out where
you're at. Cause you're so unfamiliar with the
area. If I didn't have GPS, I don't know how
I get to 9 % of the places I go to that are outside
of my town. It's great. I remember it when I
was going back to college that one time, I actually
missed a turn and I ended up in like downtown
Columbus, like the hood. And I like pulled off
on the side of the road and asked some random
dude, like, how do we get back to the highway?
So I know how to find my way. Um, he's like,
yeah, you shouldn't be in this town. I'm like,
I know not trying to be in this town. I want
to go. I want to go. I want to circle back real
quick. You know, most of the, uh, quote -unquote
residents of Prosper or e -residents. You know
what that is? There's a lot. Yeah, so they're
just there. They're paying a bill. It's kind
of really, as you said, like a tax culture at
that point in time. But I think there's something.
I had this info somewhere. Let me pull it up
here because I think most of the full -time residents,
I think they're Hondurans for the most part.
People just kind of doing the cooking, laundry,
maintenance. I think there might only be And
they have a bunch of seasonal, quote unquote,
residents too, but most of them are e -residents.
Did you happen to see a figure of how many e
-residents or just residents in general? Cause
I never actually found one. Yeah. I had it on
my notes and of course they decided to delete
itself. As we speak about lovely technology.
Yeah. Speaking of 20 years ago, we couldn't do
a podcast. All right. So some natural person
residents as of August 30th, 2024. 79 full -time
physical residents living on site. 443 full e
-residents, essentially remote residents with
full rights. And then 1 ,271 limited e -residents,
partially enrolled resident. I don't even know
what that means. Additionally, 230 registered
businesses legal entities also hold e -residents
status there. So it's not super huge. It sounds
like it's growing though. I was reading some
article about, I think they're building a new
apartment. complex there. And as of April, they
had already sold half of the units. So it sounds
like something that is gaining traction and interest.
And I assume it has everything to do with regulation
and being a tax shelter. Yeah. It'd be interesting
to see how many people live there full time.
I know they like bought a resort on the right
island because Rotan's actually. A lot of people
go there to vacation, but they actually bought
it for their citizens before they could build
the infrastructure on the island. And I know
the apartment building you're talking about,
it's actually the tallest building in Roatan
today. What would be really interesting to find
out is how many people actually live there full
time, like versus just like vacation there, go
there for a week. Yeah. So here it says 79. So
79 people live there full time. Oh, wow. Okay.
So not many. Not many. It's really interesting.
I just also like watching that video on YouTube.
It didn't seem like the, and I could probably
look this up. I'm being lazy right now. It didn't
seem like they actually had a lot of land. Like
they had the beautiful resort and then tucked
away on its side was the actual corporate entity
with a big building and some smaller buildings
where they, I guess have offices or whatever,
but it didn't look like it was super large. Yeah,
it's not too big. I didn't see the figure you
told me, but I haven't seen the figure yet of
how many people live there, but it's not a ton
of people. It almost looks like a resort when
you dig into the facts and you see the video
of a lot of the YouTubers that are going out
there today. I think it's more about theory versus
concept when we talk about Prosper. Maybe Prosper
is not doing anything wrong versus just being
a place for a bunch of really wealthy people
to come together and do some important stuff.
I can see that kind of transcending that. And
if you get somebody that's very powerful and
perhaps very evil, what could they do to make
these changes? If you can get around the FDA,
if you can get around the European governing
authority for implant technology. A lot of the
times, what I think about is the nephephelium
legacy. When we see in Genesis six and the angels
come down to earth and they kind of procreate
with women. And God finds this really bad and
he ultimately kills them through the flood during
Moses' lifetime. But we're starting to see people
that are getting enhanced. And we're just at
the beginning, that cell phone that you're talking
about or the GPS that we were talking about,
who knows what they're going to be implanted
next? And who knows the reason why they're going
to implant it next? Which I think is ultimately
very concerning in my mind. It's ultimately controlled.
I mean, I almost feel like with AI and the way
it's expanding. and with the Neuralink, it's
just a way to interact with AI, which is, I think,
terrifying, because part of me thinks AI is giving
voices to demons, and it gives you instantaneous
knowledge. So this is interesting. I just looked
this up. So the original property of Prosperity
was only 58 acres. Apparently now they've expanded
it to 1 ,000 acres, so it sounds like they're
trying to... to add on significantly to that
property or to that region. They actually envision
it to be like the size of Singapore as they want
to continue to expand their property and build
out as well. And you wonder is with their expansion
to Africa, what else controls are they looking
for? Why would they leave that environment if
they're continuing to expand? I know they're
they're facing the Honduran government. Who doesn't
agree with everything they're doing, but what
are they looking for from this kind of expansion
when they're not done there? Like it's almost
like a test bed and they're just getting started.
So like, why are they going to Africa now to
do other things? It kind of reminds you of the
Romans. So the Romans at one point in time had
the biggest empire in the world. And it wasn't
like they had Roman citizens there. They just
had outposts. And it almost seems like corporate
outposts to control local governments. And you
have to start with the smaller, less powerful
governments to wield that influence before you
can branch out into the more technologically
and politically advanced wealthy nations. But
it seems like a first step of what seems to be
many to get to that conclusion where you have
these billionaires that have these corporate
outposts that control the local area financially.
Again, we're talking about blockchain, Bitcoin,
implants that can wield their power and kind
of throw their weight around. We ask you, it's
an interesting question that just popped into
my mind, but we talk about the devil's playbook
of how he's going to implement his plan for revelation.
Like put yourself into those shoes. Like how
would you implement it? How would you take over
the world? You're a smart guy. Like you probably
could if you really wanted to. How would you
go about, do you think that blockchain fits into
that plan? Do you think implants fit into that
plan? How would you go about implementing it?
So I think the first thing you have to do is
cause division. Kind of like what we have in
this country. You have two halves, left and right.
Or you have America versus Russia, Europe versus
Russia, China versus US. You have to sow that
division and grow that hate. I think ultimately,
and I think it's pretty evident in the Bible,
there's a huge war that kills billions. And at
some point in, you can imagine if nukes are dropping
on the major cities around the world. At one
point, you'd be like, time out. And we're good.
I don't want to see my kids get vaporized. I
don't want to die. I don't want to have to deal
with this fallout. That's why I think step one
is cause the vision to where everyone hates each
other, where you can't agree on anything. You
like the smallest difference in the other person
is magnified so much that you actually hate them.
You're so ingrained and trenched with your side.
that you can't even reach across the aisle to
say, Hey, I think we can come to compromise.
So these people are the devil just once as entrenched
like a world war one battle where if you try
to cross this field, you're getting mowed down
by a machine gun. So I think that's step one.
I think step two is a global war where everybody
gets scared to death that the world is actually
going to end. And then you have the infrastructure
of this CBDC, the mark or the implants. That
way you can control and make everyone feel safe.
Everyone gave up their freedoms look just like
the virus. We just experienced that too long
ago You're afraid for your life and for your
family. So you give them all your rights This
is gonna be a major war and say hey, this this
is the game plan guys. We're gonna go with it
We're gonna implant, you know, this guy came
and made peace like he's our new god. You have
to do this This is what's best for humanity.
I think we're right. We're on that cusp and I
don't think the world's been more divided in
at least since I've been alive, before we were
kids, like we fought World War II. Everybody
in the country, no one really hated the president.
That's kind of a new deal. Like you may not agree
with some of his policies, but everybody was
on the same page. Like the stuff on the periphery
was, I don't agree with that, I'm going to vote
Republican. I don't agree with that, I'm going
to vote Democrat. Or this guy just seems cooler,
but at the end of the day, everyone kind of had
the best interests of the country. Analysis left
and right, bro. 100%. And that left and right
is so far apart as we talk about gender modification,
really just ideals and principles. I see modern
day America is a lot like the Roman empire and
you're kind of waiting for the fall almost as
we have that ideology embedded within us. You
know, it's interesting because you say war, like
as they say in the Bible, wars and rumors of
wars are going to happen. And what that means
is ultimately that your fear of have nuclear
bombs. And we see that symbolism in the Bible
where I think it's Paul who sees the meteorites
that fall out of the sky. And a lot of people
say those are missiles that are dropping on societies.
And we're almost seeing that. We're on the cusp
of World War III as we see Russia fight against
Ukraine, as you see the United States fight against
Iran, as you see Israel fight against Iran and
Hezbollah. and in multiple other countries that
are fighting today. And if you're not fighting,
you're kind of scared that you're going to, just
like India, the India Pakistan war, which lasted
only a couple of days. But everybody's like,
this is going to be the next nuke drop because
these are both nuclear powered and arsenaled
nations that are going to occur. And it's that
fear that drives in and enough fear, as you said,
with COVID where people are going to, okay, I
will give up my freedoms in order to keep me
safe. I see that a lot with the end of time because
I will give you whatever you want. Just let me
live in my home, go to the grocery store and
live my life. And, you know, that's where it
gets scary because how much freedom, it's a balancing
act. How much freedom is too much freedom? How
much push and pull that you're willing to give
and take in order to see the proper end. During
World War II, many people were ready to give
up their full -time jobs, join the war effort,
fight against the Nazis. If they couldn't go
to war because they were a female, they joined
manufacturing, they start building stuff in support
of the war. And they gave up all of their opportunities
and freedoms they had in the United States in
order to kind of defend that final outcome. It's
ultimately I start to think about, it's like,
what does it take? COVID had some, as you said,
COVID had some really big impacts on our society.
And a lot of people gave up those freedoms, but
I think it's that multiple of 10. And when we
talk about implants, right, like how I see that
come about, where it's almost routine is, hey,
you got to get this implant to beat this virus
or to stay safe from the Russian government or
whatever the case may be, where people are just
inclined to have the implant to keep them safe.
I think we live in a world where knowledge is
power. And as we talked about in our last episode,
what you see is not always what you're going
to believe. So you have to have that kind of
faith baked into it and have that knowledge baked
into it to make the right decisions along The
way, you know, I mean, I think discernment, like
reading the word, being in the word, discerning
the spirits and discerning your environment.
And that's huge. A lot of people black. There's
a lot of smart people, man, with lots of education.
They're really freaking dumb. No, they go back
to your, your war. Like it's evidence that they're
building the control grid and the infrastructure
to absorb the fallout and the plugs. We're going
to take you out of this plug and we're going
to put you in this plug. Oh, I think the government
after this catastrophic war is obviously it's
going to be a one world government and the controller
grid is being built as we speak. You know, sometimes
too, I look at Prospera and I'm like, we're seeing
technology that was around. I remember seeing
the guy get an implant in his hand like 20 years
ago. So we're just seeing the rendition of stuff
that is already here. It's been here. I can't
imagine the stuff they're actually working on
in these labs in this country, like these mega
corporations. Sometimes I look at Prospera and
I'm like, yeah, is it more of a distraction from
what's really going on here? Or is it just the
kindergarten level of practice to see if this
corporatism, this corporate colonialism will
actually float? And if not, we'll bail from it
and try something different. You see so many
crazy things that... are going on in Prospero.
So you see MiniCircle, Infinite City, Unlimited
Bio, Symbionic Labs. Some of those folks are
working on really good things like cure for HIV,
which is really important. And they're getting
around like the FDA and the European governance
to speed up those things, to speed up those cures,
to deliver them humanity. And ultimately it's
governed by the almighty dollar. We see a lot
in the United States. They rather sell you the
treatment versus the cure, because that's how
they're going to make money. But folks are getting
around these controls. And what kind of strikes
me is they're working on some really important
things, and that's what they tell us. But what
are they not telling us? But have you ever seen
that guy? I can't remember his name, but he's
a guy that's trying to live forever. I was going
to bring him up, Brian Johnson. Yep. Brian Johnson.
Yep. You know, he's done everything to, I think
he like injected plasma of his kids in order
to reduce his age and he does look pretty young.
I think he's six. So he does look pretty young.
Whatever he's doing is no, he's not 40. He's
47. Oh, he's 47. Yeah. He looks like a vampire
too. It looks like a vampire. He's an investor
in Prospera. Yeah. He's actually an investor
in Prospera. Like he's working in the mini circle.
in order to have the aging kind of experiments
going on as well. Which I don't know, it's a
little creepy for me as you start to bring all
these people together. Like you're talking about
Brian Johnson who looks like a vampire. We're
talking about artificial intelligence where Sam
Altman's going. What is the end? What is the
end game here? Why do all the billionaires and
like the weirdos have to come together at this
point in time? It's really crazy to me. Yeah,
I've actually watched there's a There's a Netflix
kind of documentary on him. I think it's called,
I can't remember what it's called. Well, I'll
look at it later. But he actually went there
and got full of statin therapy, full of statin
gene therapy. Supposedly full of statin helps
you like build muscle mass. It just signals your
body to build muscle mass. And I think at the
end, like after three or four months, like he
had put on an additional 12 % of muscle mass.
Well, not that's diet exercise. Who knows? But
sometimes I'm like, are these people trying to
sell crap? Are they trying to give you hope for
gene therapy when maybe it's complete crap? My
fear with gene therapy is you're altering a gene
or you're injecting a gene through a virus vector.
What is it doing that you don't know? Like our
genome is so complicated, so long. Like, yeah,
you might get big and jacked, but is your anus
going to fall off in three years? You don't know
what you're doing. I'll take a pass on that one.
Yeah, I'd rather keep my butt hole. Just saying.
There has to be some priority there. Wild stuff.
Yeah. That's it's like, I don't, I think Prospera
is a mixed bag of people that are going there
to pay a little bit less tax burden. I'm doing
some good research, doing some odd research.
That's just for vanity sake, but I was, I'm the
kind of guy that's worried about the next step
and what's going to be become of this. You know,
if I think I could go start my own country tomorrow
and move to Africa. Doesn't sound like a half
back, bad idea. Like a family guy episode. I
declare this Jay Stania or something. I don't
follow your laws or rules. I don't pay taxes.
Eric Bremen actually went to Hargrave military
academy for high school and I went to fork union
military academy. So that was our arrival growing
up and he actually graduated. the same year that
I did. So perhaps we had some passing. Obviously
he's doing way better than I am because I'm doing
a podcast and he's running a country. So as we
talk about really like predictive programming
and kind of like that normalized dystopia where
conspiracy theorists often point to predictive
programming, the ideal that dystopian ideals
are seeded really into media to acclimate the
public. Films like Ready Player One or Black
Mirror. Westworld, betray elite tech zones and
planable IDs and privatized cities. To me, Prospera
looks like the real world beta test, right? Critics
argue it's not really coincidence, it's programming.
If people can condition to accept corporate role
and kind of this biometric control in fiction,
I don't think they will really, they won't resist
it in reality. Like they see it on TV, like they're
just become accustomed to it. I saw Westworld
on HBO. It was really cool. Wait, now it's here
in our modern day society. That's fine. I'll
deal with it. What do you think of it? Like as
people start to condition folks to kind of get
used to this. I think that's a lot what we see
in Prospera is the folks are going to start to
launch their own independent cities and people
that just want money. Because we see it in different
parts of this world. It breeds towards that predictive
programming. Do you see that coming to fruition?
Yeah, I think we touched on it a little bit where,
or at least in my opinion, like Prospera is like
the baby that you've just introduced to the world
and you're trying to normalize it. I don't believe
for a second that some of the stuff they're doing
is the advanced technology, the advanced research.
I think it's a way to put something out there
that seems kind of innocuous, where people are
going to look at it and be like, oh, that's pretty
cool. Like I like the idea of having low taxes.
I like the idea of no regulation because we drown
in regulation in the Western world. So It's a
cool idea and it seems attractive on the outside
for sure. So I think Prospera is the first step
to kind of normalize like high level technology,
a lot of kind of libertarian policies in terms
of no borders, low taxes, a government that is
truly ruled by the people. When in reality, I
think it's just a minor reflection of the big
the big thing that's gonna come here in the next
decade, 100 years, but it's just like a little
microcosm. Yeah, it's one of the things that
is, so it's rolled by the people. And we're starting
to see this now today where Elon Musk is starting
the American party, kind of oppose the Republicans,
then oppose the Democrats, then have a third
level democratic party in the United States.
And we look at Prospera, it's like, Would we
rather have Trump in power or Elon Musk? I started
to see that deviation of somebody that's looking
to make money or somebody that's looking to make
money and also improve the country. Dude, the
other thing too, is that in the past, I don't
know, maybe past 12 years, like everything's
come from like the cult of person out. Like Trump's
funny. He's entertaining. Even with Joe Biden,
you may not agree with him, but it was ridiculous
some of the stuff he said and did. It was, it
turned into entertainment. It's not necessarily
always the best and brightest, it seems like
anymore it's the one who is the most outspoken,
can make the funniest jokes, can have quippy
remarks. So I think, and with all the social
media and all the media we consume on a daily
basis, with our phones, with our laptops, with
our TV screens, everybody is, Elon Musk said,
the most likely outcome is the most entertaining
one. And I've... have to agree with them because
we want to be entertained and it's a lot like
Rome and spreading circus and we're falling for
it as a country and as a world. Yeah. One of
the things I thought was really interesting about
living on the like cups of communism and China
and living in Hong Kong is my life didn't feel
a whole hell of a lot different, right? Like
when I lived in Hong Kong versus the United States.
And in fact, I felt like I had equal freedoms.
I could do whatever I wanted during that time
of my life. And I wonder if people though, they
just listen to politicians and it's what can
grab their attention for that moment. So you
almost have to be funny or be engaging in order
for people to follow along with you during that
time. I'm of the big belief and most people disagree
with me, but the person that's like role in the
United States really doesn't have a big burden
on my life. My life is really not much different
under Trump versus under Biden. Maybe the education
system's getting fixed. We're getting rid of
some of these poor policies, but living under
these different rules and these different places
throughout my life, it's been much of the same.
And if we're willing to empower the wrong people
to make decisions for us on a larger, a bigger
scale than just our lonely lives in the corners
of Pennsylvania or Maryland, and let them worry
about the world, I worry about what's going to
transpire in the future. people like Prospera
gain bigger political power as they continue
to grow. They have an advantage over the United
States and not many countries do, but the advantage
is, is that it's like modern day and colonialists,
right? Like they can just expand their borders.
They can buy more land. They can go to other
continents. They can settle new cities. I mean,
they can continue to increase that scope. And
now it's a decentralized nation. Like it might
be I don't know if Prospera Honduras versus Prospera
Africa are going to live under the same rules
and regulations. Is Eric Bremen going to run
them all? I don't know what that case may be,
but it's like you think about the United States
military. They have bases all over the world
because of span of influence, right? Like you
start to kind of have bases and you start to
have control everywhere. And I just wonder how
big could it ultimately be? Dude, I also know
researching Prospera. You know what came, this
is comparing apples to oranges here, so anyone
listening suggest, don't think I'm suggesting.
But you remember Jim Jones, he went down to South
America and that cult, he's set up in the middle
of the jungle and had all these people and was
a very apparently pervasive or persuasive guy
and got them all to drink Kool -Aid. Like that's
what I think of sometimes when I think of these
little cults in South America. Is this like a
techno cult? Maybe they're not drinking literal
poison juice, but they might be poisoning the
genome for all of mankind or setting up the beast
system, but it's culty, man. I think any place
that is that small that is self -governed can
take on cult -like qualities. It's what the world
revolves around, the almighty dollar. Okay, can
I ingest more income? Can I keep it for myself?
Can I build a bigger empire through that? And
I think Jim Jones also just, it was about influence.
That's what he cared about. Was it Costa Rica
that where he brought people? I think it was
Costa Rica, but maybe it was some other South
American country, but can I influence these people?
And a lot of these people worship the ground
that he walked on. It's really interesting. It's
like that great reset. Like it's a great reset.
in order to have influence, power, money during
those times. It was Jonestown, Guyana. That's
where he went. Gotcha. Okay. But what do you
make of this $11 billion lawsuit? I mean, I can't
imagine the GDP of Honduras is much more than
$11 billion. You just want to take all their
money? What do you make of it? So I think what
they're talking about when Prosperous are suing
the Honduran government is about how much investment
that they have into that society. And if they
were crushed by the Honduran government and they
had to go away, go back to their country of origin,
that's the investment that they would lose. So
perhaps that's what they're worth is $11 billion.
And they want to get that paycheck if they're
forced to leave. And when they made the former
agreement under the former president of Honduras,
during that time. I know there's a lot of division
during that. If you watch some of these videos,
some of the Hondurian citizens support them and
some absolutely hate them. They think they're
like the Jim Jones cult where they want to stand
very, very far away. But I think that bill is
about how much is invested and how much they
can ultimately make as they have all these startup
technology companies coming out there. But that's
a perspective. GDP for Honduras in 2024 was $36
billion. So they're asking for a third of a country's
GDP. You've seen the videos of it. You spent
$10 billion there. Come on. Unless there's an
underground city we don't know about, you did
not spend 10 billion. You didn't. Maybe they're
referring to like future, the unrealized returns
in the future, but 10 billion, they probably
got all that property for less than 100 billion,
if I had to guess. Oh, a hundred percent. They
did. I think you hit the nail on the head where
it's unrealized return. So I think all these
people like Sam Altman and these different tech
billionaires are saying, I give you a hundred
billion dollars to carve me out a spot or give
me citizenship during that time. I think you
hit the nail on the head with that one. It's
unrealized returns, but also They're whether
they sue in the Honduran government in the Honduran
court and they're probably not gonna pay out
No, they're definitely not the only thing I can
think of is I think some of these Special economic
zones are governed under like under a UN treaty
So I almost think that the case would have to
go to the UN I'm like is the Honduras even part
of the UN I know they are but I know there's
I know with other special economic zones It's
governed under some sort of treaty and I assume
that this falls into place. And I know the argument
is, even though that president repealed the ZA
thing, there was some articles I was reading
that it's still protected under international
treaties for up to 50 years, even though I think
Honduras declared it unconstitutional. So that
fight, I don't know. I doubt they're going to
win just because of all the pressure coming from
the Western world and all these billionaires
dumping money. It's got to give a guy a check
for 100 million. Hey, let's chill. Let's forget
about it. Just let us do our thing. And, you
know, that government's prone to corruption as
it is. I think the president that passed all
this is actually sitting in federal prison in
the United States right now for drug trafficking.
Oh, wow. That brings up an interesting point.
Do you think the citizen should have some say
in what they are doing there in Prospero? Like
the people that surround it. Could you imagine
if somebody came out in Pennsylvania? set up
an independent city right next door to you, and
were living their lives. Not that they impacted
you, but they were just next to you. Do you think
the local residents should have some say in what's
going on there? Absolutely. If you live in a
democracy, you should have a say. The thing I
would be worried about if I was them, being that
poor, knowing that they're expanding, I'd be
worried about them pulling the whole eminent
domain role on you, taking your land for pennies
on the dollar. If they're smart, They would go
to the people that own it and say, hey, I'll
sell it to you for a million bucks and get the
hell out of there. Cause eventually they're going
to, they're going to expand their borders if
the government doesn't do anything. But I do
think, and it won't happen, but I do think the
government should set up some protections and
some price minimums if that way the price minimums
on the land. So the billionaires can't say, I'll
give you, I'll give you a thousand dollars for
that 40 acres and screw them. Yeah. I hate the
eminent domain law. Right. I'm a very strong
advocate for property owners' rights and people
shouldn't encroach upon your ability to do whatever
you want with your land, whether it's the government
or people or whoever. This is a very fine line
because they can purchase the land in the same
token where they've bought it and they tilt the
soil and they've built the buildings. They design
their regulations, but I always find myself at
a crossroads there because I don't want people
to come to my house and tell me what to do at
all. Yeah. It's such a it's such a weird thing
to think about it makes me wonder it is like
his Corporate governance the future or is it
truly like the end of democracy? What comes so
you know the story about China buying like millions
of acres of farmland in the United States It
seems similar. So let's say we were enemies like
we're not we're friendly, but not right We're
always trying to one -up or trying to spy or
trying to take some form of power from one another
Can you imagine if there's a war in like China's
we're just not gonna let you grow. That's corporatism
That is I own the land obviously in a war that
we just reclaim it But even in this kind of Cold
War, we're doing with China. Oh, it's my land.
Don't don't you can't force me to farm I mean,
that's huge So I think we experienced some of
it here in this country with other countries
big corporations buying up huge swaths of land
that could be used for food cattle buying up
wildlife portions of wildlife reserves and it
is scary because you know, land mass is finite.
And in order to have a society that flourishes,
you have to optimize the use. And if you have
10 % of your land bought up by corporations or
other governments, given our laws, you can't
tell them what they can and can't do with it.
It reflects this, like, prosperity is kind of
a microcosm of that, or potentially could be
a microcosm of that, especially in a little island
of Roatan. Yeah. It's also, it makes me think.
because it's about the expand of control. When
I worked at Amazon Web Services, one of the largest
fiber line in the entire world runs through Northern
Virginia to Washington DC. It was many years
ago, it was put in the ground by the US Army
and then it was sold off to private enterprise.
And that's why the largest data center bank in
the world is in Northern Virginia. Now, as they
continue to buy land to build data centers for
it, what it's ultimately doing is it's raising
the electric price. So more people are paying
much more money for their power bills. And a
lot of people actually can't afford their mortgage
anymore because they're paying five, 600 bucks
just to keep their lights on during the day.
And they ultimately sell their land because they
just have to get rid of it. because they can't
afford to keep the electric on. And you wonder
places like Prospera that if I can't buy, if
I can't go to Jay Green's house and buy his land,
how can I force him out? I could improve my property.
I could raise your property, right? Because my
property is worth more. The fact that you're
located next to me, your property is worth more.
And now you can't afford to pay the government
for your property bill. Then maybe the government
will run you out of town and they will sell it
to me. Or maybe you can't afford to keep your
lights on because now electric Electricity is
scarce or perhaps water because a lot of data
centers require a lot of water to keep it cool.
Now water prices go up because water becomes
more scarce as a tool. So that's why I believe
in citizen right in order to kind of block these
things, even though I'm a very strong property
rights owner, because it can actually influence
you a little bit. You may come to Jay and say,
I want your house. And you say, F you give me
$10 billion. I can probably find a better way
to do it. I can raise your power bill. I can
raise your tax bill. I can eventually run you
out of town without ever argued with you. I could
just make it more difficult and more, more expensive
for it. So that's why I think that people should
have some say in who their corporate neighbors
are. And I always wonder, like when I worked
at Amazon, I ran a large team for them and every
year I had to terminate somebody. It didn't matter
if everybody on my team was great. That didn't
matter. I had to terminate somebody because it
kind of Set the bar. Like you're the worst performer.
Even if you were a good performer, you're the
worst performer and I'm getting rid of you. And
if I think about those kinds of tech billionaires,
if they're running society, what are they going
to do to improve? Like if they're ultimately
in control of everything, the laws, the governance,
the tax bill, all the things, that's what scares
me. Like I much rather live under Trump or even
Biden than Jeff Bezos, because I know what Jeff
is in game is. Like his in game is to make money.
So they're in They're worshiping that almighty
dollar there. And that's what makes me concerned.
And what we're seeing now is a society that's
propped up where if you have more money, you're
empowered. You have more voting rights. You have
more determination of what that society is going
to look like. And we see it in Russia, the oligarchs.
They're passing out, hey, you want to own the
oil company? Here you go. Just vote for me. And
they influence it. And we see the same thing
in China. We see the same thing in many countries.
feudalism rebranding. It's corporate feudalism.
You're the lord of the manor and all these people
work for you and you own all the land and you
give them the right to work, to live, to eat.
It's scary. It's not, instead of having knights
on horseback and spearmen, you have billions
of dollars and advanced technology and you can
sit up in your castle tower and look down and
be like, all right, this all belongs to me. I
just have to find a way to make them think that
it doesn't belong to me. So. That it comes down
to that dollar theory, right? Because most people
in this world will do anything for money, whether
it's doing something crazy on Facebook or launching
a YouTube series or whatever. If you're going
to pay me 10 bucks, I'll go out and do it. There's
already a podcast. Yeah. But they will do it.
And I worry about a culture that's obsessed with
that. That's their end game is just to make money.
I worry what that end game is going to look like.
You know, to start back to where we started this
conversation, um, about revelations. And I think
it's very clear in the Bible, like the reason
why they call out transaction. You have to get
the market, the beast, or you can't buy anything.
We're living in a transactional society that
washes up the dollar now. And man, I don't know.
It's, you know, obviously we can't live without
money, but at the same time we can't revolve
our lives around money. We have to make wise
choices for our families and loved ones. The
one big problem about a zero -sum game like you
you pay a dollar to count a four and it moves
on and I think the way our society set up is
I want the most dollars and once you have I always
argue like once you have so much money it's really
not a real thing to you anymore if I had a hundred
billion dollars like money is not really I don't
all my problems with money go away so as a man
and as a person who gets bored. I'm going to
think of cool ways to spend this money that really
has no value to me, because I have so much of
it. My great, great, great grandkids could live
like kings. So then you start thinking of these
weird ways to manipulate society and government
and hey, this is a cool island in Honduras. Let's
go buy it. Let's just play around and see what
happens. It's true though. It's crazy to think
about, but it is true. I don't know. I would
love to have $100 billion because I would retire
and nobody ever see me again. But I guess a lot
of people would use it to influence folks and
influence the elections and influence all these
things. What do you think the one positive and
the one negative it is for us to take away today
from this conversation? The one negative. Uh,
man, I think I've said it a hundred times, which
is probably irritating for whoever's listening,
but I think the negative is that we have these
corporations who obviously influence our political
arena, not only in the U .S., but all over the
world. They manipulate governments, and now they're
trying to create their own little cities and
outposts to do what they want to do without the
regulation, without the high tax burden. and
its way to stuff more money in their pockets,
either through lack of taxation, not giving back
to society, or to certain regulation that could
have a profound effect on those that live locally
and around. Think about Wuhan. What if they're
doing viral research? If it's not regulated,
if there's no system set in place, what's it
say? They don't release something terrible. And
I think that's scary. Create the disease so you
can release the cure. And what do you think is
the one positive to take away? I think the one
positive, and it is kind of reflective of the
negative, is that if you want to look at the
good side of it, is that you can create your
own community, put up your own laws, not have
a heavy tax burden, and not be heavily regulated.
So I think it's good in there. It really depends
on people and their intentions on how they use
it. It could be a paradise. It could be a utopia.
It could be a dystopia. unfortunately I think
swing either way you think that's ultimately
the American dream I think the American dream
man is you at least for me the American dream
is to have beautiful loving family a bunch of
land everyone leaves you alone if your neighbor
needs help you help them you don't have to rely
on the government you can work the land you can
buy sell and trade with fiat you can invest and
you can help others. I think that's the American
dream. It's not buying a house and having a car
and working 65 hours a week just so you can see
your wife for an hour on the weekend, go to one
of your kids' baseball games and not really know
who in the hell they are. More what you sound
like is... Yeah, so more though, more so I think
what you're talking about is the biblical dream,
like Jesus' vision for our life. I think from
a positive aspect, and I'll start on the flip
side of the coin, is what we're seeing is a society
being built from the ground up. Kind of paving
their way forward. And for me, that is the American
dream. You can take something, you can create
it, you can build it, you can mature it. And
hopefully that it pays off. And hopefully it
way it pays off is it improves the lives of those
around you. You take care of your neighbor, you
take care of your friend, take care of your brother.
You're able to invest in that culture and the
lives of folks. So are they doing that? I don't
know, but I think they have the opportunity to
do a lot of good. To exit out of a society that's
broken. and come together to build something
ultimately that's amazing. The other positive
really is that if they're working on medical
research that's being blocked by FDA to cure
HIV, to work on cures versus treatments, I think
that's ultimately better. I like in order to
cure cancer. Instead of selling you chemo and
selling you pills to take, I think they have
the opportunity. And what that's really exciting
about a new culture is the amount of opportunity
that is giving. Now it's ultimately up to Eric
and it's up to Prospera of what they're going
to do with that opportunity. Are they going to
fall back on the dollar or are they going to
fall back on hope of what God and Christ has
given us a force to side? Negative? Man, my negative
spirals down a deep dark hole of the mark of
the beast. and fall in societies and the end
of the world. It's very, two very hopeful extreme.
They like one we're marching towards Christ and
one we're firmly marching away. And you know,
that is it's ultimately it's a flip of a coin.
Ultimately what they choose to do with it, whether
make or break it. So I think the one thing that
might be the elephant in the room. And so it's
thousand acre property attached to a big country,
a militarized country. If Honduras has ever.
Just get sick of it. What's the keeping them
from going? It's taken it. Obviously money and
power and influence from Western nations, but
they get to say, they could go in there and kick
them out and there was nothing they could do
about it. And that's kind of the elephant in
the room. So that leads me to believe that some
of this drama about them declaring it unconstitutional.
Yeah, it's still there. It just leads me to believe
that they're being paid. Here's money. Let's
let it be. It's interesting. I actually dropped
the link into our podcast here, but as I saw
in yesterday, they're actually shutting down
some of their buildings. They like some of the
buildings that they've launched to do medical
research. They've actually barred the doors.
They drop military personnel in there to stop
people from going to work every day. We're talking
about a society that is ultimately viewed as
very corrupt and they probably are getting payouts.
At the same time, maybe the former president
got a whole lot more payouts and that's why he
allowed them Prospera to establish their Versus
the new president is maybe getting payouts from
somewhere else and that's why they're trying
to prevent it. Yeah point But it's you know,
I think we're living on the flip of a coin man
I could either go bad or could go really good
that you mentioned something earlier You said
that there do you know where in Africa they're
trying to expand? I don't it's good question.
Let me look it up real quick I'll cut out the
blanks. It was interesting. I actually listened
to, I typed in podcast. You probably add this
to the podcast if you want where you're researching.
I was, it was interesting. I got on my Apple,
I have the Apple podcast thing on my phone and
I typed in Prospera and I listened to this podcast
with this, I can't remember the woman's name
and she seemed lovely, but she was in her, she's
an African and she was interviewing a resident
and worker at Prospera. And it was an interesting
conversation to have. If you want me to find
the link to her podcast, I can give that to you
as well. But the person she was interviewing
had nothing but great things to say about Prosper.
She said it gave her a job, gave her family a
job, helped bring in tourism, just glowing rave
reviews about how positive it was for her and
her family. And she was spinning the narrative
counter to what some of the other locals are
saying that it's bad and it's a drain, but I
can send that link. Awesome. Yeah, that's really
interesting. So where they're actually planning
on being established is in Senegal, which Mali
is to the east and Guyana is to the southeast
of it. And it's kind of towards the Gambium or
the narrow country that's almost entirely surrounded
by Senegal, right? So it's kind of in the heart
of Africa. What's interesting about it is the
country actually has a strategic Atlantic coastline.
with the capital of Dakar sitting on the westernmost
point of the African mainland, which as an upstart
society, you would want control trade routes,
like you'd want the ports of entry and have the
boats to be able to dock within your society.
So Senegal is actually a very strategic place
to have it. And as we look at history, Senegal
was actually a major hub of transatlantic. Slave
trade during that time. So it's been a historic
kind of slave port during those times in that
port and the shipping lane still exists today
Which is if I was talking about a place I want
big airports or big waterways where I could ship
goods and somewhere else It's also interesting
that they choose these countries that are so
poor and poor not only poor economically, but
probably very poor in terms of government probably
a lot of Not only poor governance terrible laws,
but I don't know anything about Senegal. I'm
just taking a leap of faith here. I'm assuming
it's somewhat corrupt as well. It's just interesting
to target. I think it ultimately comes down to
the dollar, right? So it's what countries can
you pay enough to let you do what you want? All
right, brother. So here is the question and I'll
leave you with today. You think our cities like
Prospera, the solution to broken systems, or
are they the beginning of something far more
dangerous? Oh man, that's a tough one. I mean,
I think the solution to our broken systems is
Jesus Christ, His ultimate kingdom. As men and
women, we're going to screw everything up we
do. Especially when you get millions or billions
of people together, like no one's ever going
to agree on the system. I think it's just another
rendition. There's a saying from the Bible, there's
nothing new under the sun. It's just another
way to manipulate, to colonize, to take advantage
of poor people that have bad governments. It's
not the solution. The ultimate solution is...
I say Amen to that. The ultimate solution is
to have discernment, keep your eyes focused on
Christ, and live a good life. And we can't control
everything that's out there, but what we can
control is what's inside our hearts and what
we do for our families, friends, and for the
society that surrounds us. So whether Prosper
is the answers or not, you have to decide for
yourself. But for this guy, I'm not visiting
anytime soon. Do you have to give you a free
week? vacation at their sweet resort. Come on.
We'll go down. Hey, we want a free weekend travel
for at least 10 and we'll come down and check
it out and give you a good review. There you
go. All right, brother. I'll be up on a beach
side cabana. Thanks for listening. Jesus loves
you. I love you. I love you, brother. It was
fun. Love you. Love Jesus. Love you guys. We'll
see you next time.