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Hey, are you listening Well, hey, are you listening?

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This is a podcast exploring the past, present

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and future of Christian music. My name is Joel.

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I'm here with my good friend Brandon, and we

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connected over a mutual love of some artists,

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but also have kind of different tastes along

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the way. And so we get to experience some new

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stuff from each other while inviting some friends

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along for the ride. We are going to have a friend

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back with us today in just a little bit, but

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Brandon, how's it going? That's going good. Yeah,

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anything exciting happening in your life? Oh

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man, it usually this is when life kind of gets

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busy for me. I mean you have like the mix of

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different stuff that are going on, you know,

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with Easter coming up and whatnot. There's also

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the racing at Darlington a few weeks ago. So

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it's a busy time of the year just between Easter

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and NASCAR and all that. That's the passions

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of my life. If you guys didn't know this, Brandon

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commentates on things other than Christian music

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out there. Brandon, you've got a whole NASCAR

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thing going on. You want to tell the people?

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It's a cool thing. A couple of years ago, I started

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volunteering with the North Carolina Auto Racing

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Hall of Fame. It's an organization in Mooresville,

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North Carolina, and it's a nonprofit that supports

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Ferros parenting. So all their proceeds go to

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victims of child abuse. And what they do is they

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kind of go in and their goal is to reunite the

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family. So they offer classes to parents. So

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it's pretty cool. And I get to work with Don

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Miller. He founded it. He used to be the president

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of Team Penske. so if you don't know nascar just

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when you see all the trucks riding around that

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says penske that guy owns all of that so yeah

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it's pretty cool so i get to sit down with kind

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of the past present and future of motorsports

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and get to kind of learn more about their story

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and help them tell it to the masses That's great.

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So you were involved in the past, present and

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future of Christian music and motor sports all

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at the same time. It's weird. Cause growing up,

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I thought, Oh, I'm just a weird kid that loves

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Christian music and loves NASCAR. And look at

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me now on top of the world. Well, thanks for

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investing your life and time and energy and all

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those things. We appreciate it. And so, yeah,

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today, in just a little bit, our friend Zeke

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from Idle Threat is going to be back with us

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to talk about one of his favorite records, The

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Burning Edge of Dawn by Andrew Peterson. And

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so I'm kind of excited to dig into that with

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him. But before we do that, let's check the mail.

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All right, Brandon, our question today comes

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from our friend, Chris Blanchard, who asked this.

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Why does so much modern CCM sound emotionally

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safe and spiritually vague compared to older

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Christian music scenes? Are we discipling people

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or just avoiding offense? That's a heavy hitter.

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Yeah. Yeah. What are your thoughts? Let's pull

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on the question again so I can Get the the full

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grasp of it. I hate whenever someone presents

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a good question and someone answers it like halfway

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That's not what I meant. Um, i'll say this. It's

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kind of get started. I do think that he's right.

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Yeah, um much of modern ccm is pretty like Vague

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and safe compared to some of the risky stuff

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from the past. Yeah. Um, yeah Tell me your thoughts

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on that. Yeah, I think it's like, I think you

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always have kind of groups in areas like with

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Christianity, you always have these groups and

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I feel like it's almost like it changes over

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the course where it's like this side gets bigger,

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that side gets smaller, whatever. And I feel

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like that's always been there is people who are

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like, how can we be safe with this and all? And

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I remember like years ago, A friend of mine.

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I was like, yeah, we're going to a mute without

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you show and they're like, I don't want my my

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son go into like a bar Which in hindsight it

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probably was I shouldn't have been like no you

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should send your 15 year olds onto this bar.

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It's good I probably should have worded it better,

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but I remember at the time like kind of explaining

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like I'm like this band me without you they there's

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a lot of like grappling with like like different

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stuff in the world and I was like he's gonna

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leave there like Asking better questions and

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all than going to winter jam and she saw like

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a few other songs and was like Nope, I don't

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like this. So for her she was like no, I'd rather

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him just go to like winter jam and This sounds

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like I don't mean for it to sound like this,

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but it's almost like be spoon -fed like stuff

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because it's like I remember 10th Avenue North

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years ago, they were like Yeah, like the purpose

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of our music is we don't want to make it difficult

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for people to have to struggle We want it to

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be you know, what we're singing about. Yeah,

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and um, I think that like the problem is is that

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I think you have people that are motivated by

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like money because they're like Yeah, it's easier

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just to be like no everything's alright. Like

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everything's good. Like we don't need to tackle

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tough questions Yeah, or it's easier just to

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say just shut the door and not let those people

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in we don't have to deal with them um and I think

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you have other people that like are are like

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um oh man like how how do we discuss this or

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like how can we I don't know because like I know

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for me I'm someone who feels like you don't want

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to um like get too deep into your faith like

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the first time so there's people like I've chatted

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with that I feel like it's like over months of

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time it's like having small conversations yeah

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so it's like I could see someone looking at me

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and being like well, if you really believed in

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God, you would step out and be like, no, we're

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going to talk about this. You're going to come

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to church or whatever. So, I feel like you have

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people that, like, it happens, and you have people

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that, like, there's good intentions, and I think

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you have other people that, like, it's not for

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good intentions. But, I mean, I agree with you

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that I think it's very, like, ignorant to be,

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like, it's not, like, happening, because I feel

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like that is something that's Kind of just taking

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hold Yeah, I think if I had to pinpoint one thing

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that I would probably say to this question It's

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probably like I feel like I can trace most of

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it back to like the worship worshipification

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of it all. The fact that we transitioned like

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from singers, songwriters and bands writing about

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their lives and how Christianity like interfaces

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and intersects with it to like we're writing

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worship songs. And like this is what's getting

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played on the radio. This is what's successful.

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If we want to survive, we have to produce this

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kind of stuff. And unfortunately, like in a worship

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song, there's just not as much space to like

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wrestle. Yeah. And so I think that that's kind

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of why you get the feeling maybe that it's been

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that way. But I also agree with you that I don't

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think that that's true for everyone. Yeah. I

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think that there are still plenty of artists

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that are. um are are working through this stuff

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that have um depth to their theology like it's

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grounded in pain and things that they're walking

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through and the way they've experienced god in

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the midst of a struggle um i feel like honestly

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the album that we're going to cover today like

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models that pretty well and zeke who's going

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to be with us from idle threat models that really

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well and so i think there are a lot of examples

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of of that good stuff happening unfortunately

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it's just not like what's making it to the radio

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as much at the risk of throwing out some more

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landmines i kind of see it as almost like uh

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politics where i think that like when you have

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someone that all they are is like this is my

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person the other side is the enemy like that's

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not healthy and then when you have someone who's

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like not discussing at all that's not healthy

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yeah so it's like how do you sit down with those

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conversations and i mean like I feel very blessed

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that you know when we had our last election in

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the United States like the day of I sat down

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with people who were both for both of the candidates

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that were running and It was just it was two

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very healthy conversations It wasn't like anyone

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being like a bad winner or someone being like

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a sore loser or whatever. It was just like Yeah,

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like here's here's where we're as a nation and

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I hope hope we can move towards this, or we need

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to fix this, or whatever." And I was just like,

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this is healthy, because you don't have to choose

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one or the other. Like, you can have, and I think

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even with this one, I think there's a time and

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place. And, I mean, I used to definitely be someone

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who was like, everything on the radio is bad.

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And even like worship music, like I've mentioned

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before, before I started coming to church here,

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I was very anti -like worship music. Yeah. And

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the more I've been here, the more I see like

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a time and place for it. And I think that you

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do need to ask tough questions, but there also

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needs to be a time that you can praise or you

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can relax and not need an encyclopedia to talk

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about it. Yeah. Well, Chris, we appreciate that

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question. It's a really strong one and a really

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good one. Don't forget that you can reach out

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to us with your own questions at HeyAreYouListeningPod

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at gmail .com. Let's play a game. All right,

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Brandon, I got inspired for this game from a

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previous episode of the podcast when we had Brian

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Olson from Voda on and we were Covering his album

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back to the start and there is a cover song on

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that album by the band Coldplay Fix you you remember

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this yeah this conversation and how you were

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unaware that it was a Coldplay song and So we're

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gonna play a game called Christian rock or Coldplay

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And I'm gonna give you lyrics and I want you

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to tell me is this a Christian song or is it

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a Coldplay song? All right Okay, so we'll start

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off at the top um lights will guide you home

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and ignite your bones um i'm gonna say christian

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it's a coldplay song oh man in fact it's the

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song fix you that was covered on the photo i

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was about to say oh capital kings uh guide you

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home all right um we were born to be brave A

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Switchfoot. It sounds like a Switchfoot song.

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Is it Coldplay? It's not Coldplay. It's actually

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House of Heroes. Oh. Oh man. I thought I'd need

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to go ahead and stop playing this game. Alright,

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here we go. Nobody said it was easy. No one ever

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said it would be this hard. Coldplay. That is

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Coldplay, the scientist, yep. um you know what

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doesn't help is that i feel like i know like

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two coldplay songs so it's really just um i swear

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this time i mean it christian it is yeah maline

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and the sons of disaster that's such a vague

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line um um sing like the world is listening oh

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man um Cold play let's be almost What song up

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there's I don't know In in a true honesty, I

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will say that I used AI to help me formulate

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this game So I don't have all the answers in

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front of me Look at the stars look how they shine

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for you. Oh cold play. Yeah Tell me you love

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me come back and haunt me Christian it's Coldplay

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the scientist This is not the end of me Christian

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children 18 -3 didn't you mention that band?

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Yeah something. Yeah found grace in the strangest

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places the Christian yeah it's house of heroes

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again I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing I will

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say I feel like all of them this the one that

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could go both ways but it's Coldplay that's song

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two of theirs that I know let's do one more we

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are more than the sum of our fears oh man um

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i feel like i was listening to this song recently

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but if you're gonna name the band and i'm gonna

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be like i don't know who that is uh christian

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house of heroes again i tried to pull some that

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you would like maybe no so all right well you

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did pretty well For uh, not knowing which coldplay

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music i'm gonna have to pull up which ones these

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are I just know chat gbt. He's got a weird relationship

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with house of heroes It keeps trying to tell

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me it's a tooth and nail band and i've been trying

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i've been trying to teach chat gbt About christian

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music. So i'm sure what you've been teaching

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it played into uh where I am with it today. So

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Worked out. Well worked out. Well, all right

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Let's uh, just real quick talk about what we've

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been listening to lately anything for you brandon

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Yeah, um, I've been listening to I Ordered it

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mail. I got the Fipeste this world ain't mine

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to change on vinyl. Oh nice So I've been enjoying

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that velvet blue was running a deal where if

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you spent it goes like $30 You got a free t -shirt.

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Hmm, and I was like you don't have to tell me

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twice You're in and so um, was it not available

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on CD? I think it's available I'm pretty sure

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yeah, it's available on CD, but I got that and

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then I got the rocky valentines They had I think

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it was the Thanksgiving happy Thanksgiving. Yeah,

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but it came with a bunch of stickers. Yeah, and

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One thing I'll say too about velvet blue is if

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you order something they throw in all this free

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stuff with it So they'll throw in a bunch of

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like promotional items. And so I'm a huge fan

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of I have so many jeff cloud signed pictures

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um because with every order he like takes a picture

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with a camera and then signs it oh so yeah there

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was a picture of owl that came in there and i

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was like i was like i don't know it was a band

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coming out and i was like i don't know he just

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does that with like all the orders it's awesome

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i love that it's super fun for me um mxpx is

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coming to town um pretty soon and so i've been

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listening up Lot to you to that just kind of

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in preparation. Are you going to that show? I

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think so. I don't it's the same weekend as our

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Anniversary stuff like I need to check with Jordan

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before I just go to a band I've never heard before

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I might have an extra ticket if you don't have

00:16:49.490 --> 00:16:52.889
one already Okay, so let me know but yeah, I've

00:16:52.889 --> 00:16:55.049
been listening to a lot of MXPX especially there's

00:16:55.049 --> 00:16:58.070
like a few records that I never like Spent a

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lot of time listening to you. So I've been working

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through that All right, well, let's kind of dig

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into where we're going for today. All right,

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well, we are back again. We've got our good friend

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Zeke McKinney from the band Idle Threat, who

00:17:20.250 --> 00:17:22.789
is here back with us today, man. Zeke, thanks

00:17:22.789 --> 00:17:25.450
for joining us again. You're welcome. It's my

00:17:25.450 --> 00:17:27.910
honor. Yeah, we're super pumped. And Zeke, you

00:17:27.910 --> 00:17:31.549
brought one of your favorite records to us to

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talk about today. And that album is The Burning

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Edge of Dawn by Andrew Peterson. And so I'm going

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to give a quick bio and then we can all kind

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of talk about just kind of some opening thoughts

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about Andrew Peterson and our past with them

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and stuff. But The Burning Edge of Dawn is the

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11th studio album by Andrew Peterson. Centricity

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Music released the album on October 9, 2015.

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I thought this was interesting. Instead of entering

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the studio with a full set of songs, Peterson

00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.680
arrived with only about a song and a half. and

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wrote most of the material during the recording

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sessions with his producer Gabe Scott. And because

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the songs were written in real time, Peterson

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said the album reflects what was happening in

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his life at that moment, what he described as

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seeing the first glimmers of sunrise after a

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long, painful night. So the themes revolve around

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suffering, faith, perseverance, and hope emerging

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after darkness. Also, this is a very well -reviewed

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album across the board. I couldn't find any bad

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reviews on this one. I'm excited to dig into

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it. Zeke, tell us a little bit, when we asked

00:18:44.690 --> 00:18:47.690
you, you had a couple of ideas first. We talked

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about maybe a Reliant K record, but then you

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ultimately landed on this Andrew Peterson record.

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Why did you pick this one and why is this such

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an important album for you? Oh, man. Yeah, I

00:19:03.230 --> 00:19:04.970
definitely I feel like I could have done the

00:19:04.970 --> 00:19:09.049
Reliant K record is, of course, like one of the

00:19:09.049 --> 00:19:11.430
best albums of all time. There's not a bad track

00:19:11.430 --> 00:19:17.869
on that record. All 14 tracks. But when I thought

00:19:17.869 --> 00:19:22.410
about it more deeply, like like what album has

00:19:22.410 --> 00:19:26.890
the Lord used in my life as a person to make

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me more like him and to grow me in my faith and

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I had to be real it's definitely this Andrew

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Peterson album like it's just the impact that

00:19:39.019 --> 00:19:45.380
it's had on me personally is just it goes way

00:19:45.380 --> 00:19:48.859
beyond the first time I listen to it you know

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I still come back to these songs a lot yeah I

00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:55.339
just I remember the season of life that these

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songs met me in and how much it was exactly what

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I needed at that time. Mm hmm. Yeah. It had to

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be this it had to be this album, although I love

00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:11.339
by relying back to those songs I do, but just

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in a different way. I was still in Brandon earlier.

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It's so fun that the the idol threat guy brings

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an Andrew Peterson album to talk about. That's

00:20:23.630 --> 00:20:26.789
me, man. I love it so much. I love it so much.

00:20:26.910 --> 00:20:28.210
Can't wait to talk about it. Brandon, what about

00:20:28.210 --> 00:20:30.490
you and Andrew Peterson? Like, what's your history?

00:20:31.069 --> 00:20:32.769
All right. I'm going to be really honest about

00:20:32.769 --> 00:20:37.730
this. Going into the album, I don't know why

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I thought this, but I was expecting like, like

00:20:41.910 --> 00:20:47.440
the almost. So I expected it. I was like, Oh

00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:49.920
man, that's a cool cover. And like, I guess the

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songs kind of sound like, yeah, I could see someone

00:20:51.740 --> 00:20:55.819
like screaming and all. Um, so for me going into

00:20:55.819 --> 00:20:58.779
it, I, I feel like it's very safe to say that

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I don't think I, I've listened to very little,

00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:06.019
um, entrepreneurs going into it. Um, so for me,

00:21:06.019 --> 00:21:10.599
it was exciting to, um, get introduced to like

00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:13.690
an artist that I, um, That I really knew nothing

00:21:13.690 --> 00:21:17.609
about and I will say spoiler like we talk a lot

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about how like I feel like I Fall way more into

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the lyric side than like the music kind of guy

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So I found a very pleasant surprise going into

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this album. So you're in a good place with that

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for sure We we've sung, um at least one of andrew

00:21:34.009 --> 00:21:37.250
peterson's songs at church brandon. So So you've

00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:41.630
really heard some Pias. My problem is, I've told

00:21:41.630 --> 00:21:44.769
this Jared, our worship leader, that I don't

00:21:44.769 --> 00:21:48.309
listen to like a lot of like radio and all. So

00:21:48.309 --> 00:21:50.950
whenever the songs do come on the radio, I think

00:21:50.950 --> 00:21:54.349
to myself like, oh, that's Jared's song. I don't

00:21:54.349 --> 00:21:58.230
think Jared is singing someone's song. most of

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the time, if I was to listen to that song, I

00:22:00.029 --> 00:22:02.430
would probably be like, that's Jackie's song.

00:22:03.170 --> 00:22:07.170
Jackie is singing his song. That's fun. I would

00:22:07.170 --> 00:22:09.250
assume it's probably, is he worthy? Yeah. Yeah.

00:22:09.430 --> 00:22:13.410
Yeah. Yeah. Great. That's a great song. Um, for

00:22:13.410 --> 00:22:18.289
me, I, so I, Andrew Peterson goes back a few

00:22:18.289 --> 00:22:21.589
years for me, probably not this far back. Interestingly.

00:22:22.890 --> 00:22:28.079
Um, I think I came across his stuff first, like

00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:31.799
with some of his like advent music. Yeah. And

00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.460
then I really enjoyed his resurrection hymns

00:22:35.460 --> 00:22:40.200
record when that one came out. I also randomly

00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:43.799
have his his books that he wrote the wing feather

00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:47.000
saga. Oh, I haven't read those yet, but I've

00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.640
heard they're good. Yeah, which is really cool.

00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:50.720
They are good. I got I read them with my kids

00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:54.079
when they were younger. Um, but for me, the biggest

00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:56.779
thing probably has been last year, Brandon, you

00:22:56.779 --> 00:22:59.339
probably remember when we did our top 10 albums

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of 2025. One of my top 10 was his, um, Liturgy

00:23:04.420 --> 00:23:07.539
Legacy and the Songs of Rich Mullins, um, record

00:23:07.539 --> 00:23:10.599
was in my, was in my top 10 last year because

00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:14.180
I love Rich Mullins so much. And, um, and that

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record specifically, that cover of Liturgy Legacy

00:23:17.019 --> 00:23:19.740
and A Ragamuffin Band by Rich Mullins. And so,

00:23:19.900 --> 00:23:23.960
um, I kick -started that. um before it came out

00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:26.420
and so i think the vinyl might be on its way

00:23:26.420 --> 00:23:28.940
to my house right now which i'm pumped about

00:23:28.940 --> 00:23:31.980
so like right this very minute yeah i literally

00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:34.920
think it's in the mail right now oh okay so yeah

00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:38.259
it took a while for that thing to dude i'm right

00:23:38.259 --> 00:23:40.839
there with you love ridge mowans and i'm sure

00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:44.660
that's part of the reason why i i also love andrew

00:23:44.660 --> 00:23:48.150
peterson yeah I feel like the two go together

00:23:48.150 --> 00:23:50.750
very well. Yeah, so we'll get into that as we

00:23:50.750 --> 00:23:52.910
kind of walk through it So well, let's kind of

00:23:52.910 --> 00:23:55.849
jump straight in then um into our discussion

00:23:55.849 --> 00:23:59.170
of the record. So the burning edge of dawn and

00:23:59.170 --> 00:24:02.410
your peterson, um I'm gonna be honest with you

00:24:02.410 --> 00:24:04.210
guys something crazy happened to me when I was

00:24:04.210 --> 00:24:07.730
listening to this all the way through and um,

00:24:07.769 --> 00:24:11.150
and I was writing down my notes somehow my Phone

00:24:11.150 --> 00:24:15.490
was put on shuffle mode And so I completely,

00:24:15.589 --> 00:24:17.690
I've since gone back and listened to this in

00:24:17.690 --> 00:24:19.809
the right order, but all of my notes are in the

00:24:19.809 --> 00:24:23.910
wrong order. And so I had to go back and renumber

00:24:23.910 --> 00:24:26.210
all the numbers after I wrote on all my notes.

00:24:26.690 --> 00:24:28.890
And so for the first time I listened to it, I

00:24:28.890 --> 00:24:31.170
didn't get to listen to it. I feel like cohesively

00:24:31.170 --> 00:24:33.390
the way that Andrew Peterson wanted me to listen

00:24:33.390 --> 00:24:35.490
to it. I listened to it out of order, but that's

00:24:35.490 --> 00:24:37.549
okay. It'll be fine. I did listen to the first

00:24:37.549 --> 00:24:41.440
song first. And so the first song is The Dark

00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.640
Before the Dawn. What do you guys think about

00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:48.039
that one? Zeke, you want to go first? Oh, yeah,

00:24:48.059 --> 00:24:56.720
I love this song. 2016 was one of the worst years

00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:01.039
of my life. I went through a lot that year and

00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:04.539
I lost one of my best friends in high school.

00:25:04.700 --> 00:25:09.789
I did a motorcycle accident. We were 21 and it's

00:25:09.789 --> 00:25:12.430
that age where you think that's never gonna happen.

00:25:13.309 --> 00:25:18.630
You get that call that we're gone. And the words

00:25:18.630 --> 00:25:21.750
that you thought you'd never hear that this person

00:25:21.750 --> 00:25:25.589
is gone, who you loved so much. And it just,

00:25:25.750 --> 00:25:29.670
that happening sent me down like a spiral that

00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:33.910
year of just a lot of depression that I wasn't

00:25:33.910 --> 00:25:38.480
talking about. and a lot of doubt in my faith.

00:25:38.940 --> 00:25:43.460
I really doubt God's goodness because of suffering.

00:25:45.099 --> 00:25:49.680
And that is what this album is about. God's goodness

00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:53.700
and suffering. And this song, I think it was

00:25:53.700 --> 00:25:59.019
one of the first songs that really hit me. So

00:25:59.019 --> 00:26:06.119
yeah, this song means a lot to me. so for me

00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:08.079
whenever you're going into like you've never

00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.819
heard someone I feel like that first um that

00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:14.079
first song is kind of like how you'd mention

00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:16.420
it during an interview about like the debut album

00:26:16.420 --> 00:26:19.339
like you're like this is my shot and so I think

00:26:19.339 --> 00:26:22.099
that like sometimes you can be met with like

00:26:22.099 --> 00:26:25.619
a oh this is not going to be fun or you're like

00:26:25.619 --> 00:26:28.839
oh okay this is decent like they're kind of just

00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.859
whatever um but then sometimes you are hit with

00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:35.069
something that you're like this is Amazing right

00:26:35.069 --> 00:26:39.670
off the bat and I think for me like Not not knowing

00:26:39.670 --> 00:26:42.690
at all what to expect I enjoyed that I was met

00:26:42.690 --> 00:26:45.430
with this very genuine and like personal song

00:26:45.430 --> 00:26:48.450
and I felt like I didn't have to like Like as

00:26:48.450 --> 00:26:49.930
soon as I heard this I was like I don't have

00:26:49.930 --> 00:26:51.930
to wait for the good stuff like I don't have

00:26:51.930 --> 00:26:54.170
to go through like this like an appetizer of

00:26:54.170 --> 00:26:57.150
some like Garlic bread before I get to like the

00:26:57.150 --> 00:27:00.230
good stuff. I felt like right off the bat. I

00:27:00.230 --> 00:27:03.980
was like This is this is gonna be good Because

00:27:03.980 --> 00:27:06.920
it's just kind of like everything that I would

00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:10.579
want from an album is like right there So I enjoyed

00:27:10.579 --> 00:27:13.500
that right off the bat. It was like, oh, I'm

00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:16.200
I'm looking forward to this and to be honest

00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.299
So, you know you talked about like listen out

00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:21.220
of order the first time I went through this afterwards

00:27:21.220 --> 00:27:24.220
I realized oh I was supposed to like write reviews

00:27:24.220 --> 00:27:26.380
for stuff so like I listened to the whole album

00:27:26.380 --> 00:27:28.460
and I had like two tracks that I'd made that

00:27:28.460 --> 00:27:32.490
comments on and I think that's like Probably

00:27:32.490 --> 00:27:34.269
since doing this. It's the first time that I've

00:27:34.269 --> 00:27:37.230
ever just sat through and like Enjoyed an album

00:27:37.230 --> 00:27:40.529
and it wasn't like oh, this is this is a business

00:27:40.529 --> 00:27:42.630
or like let me write my reviews then later on

00:27:42.630 --> 00:27:45.789
I'll go back and listen to it. Um So yeah, i'm

00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:47.650
i'm right there with you. Zeke. I feel like it

00:27:47.650 --> 00:27:51.190
it starts off just a really really good note

00:27:51.190 --> 00:27:55.829
But you Joel Yeah, for sure. I um, i'm actually

00:27:55.829 --> 00:27:58.150
pulling up the so I don't get the track listing

00:27:59.789 --> 00:28:03.410
Yeah, I it's fun. We've talked about rich Mullins

00:28:03.410 --> 00:28:05.890
that literally the first note that I have is

00:28:05.890 --> 00:28:10.730
rich Mullins II And so it just felt like something

00:28:10.730 --> 00:28:13.269
rich Mullins would be writing if rich was still

00:28:13.269 --> 00:28:17.289
writing songs today I yeah, I loved everything

00:28:17.289 --> 00:28:22.769
about this track The I love the like piano like

00:28:22.769 --> 00:28:27.730
line that's like going down I usually Brandon

00:28:27.730 --> 00:28:29.869
usually brings the like talk about the lyrics

00:28:29.869 --> 00:28:31.670
and I usually bring the talk about the music

00:28:31.670 --> 00:28:34.109
But I feel like on an album like this. You can't

00:28:34.109 --> 00:28:36.190
not have a lot of talk about the lyrics and so

00:28:36.190 --> 00:28:38.829
I actually have most of my thoughts I feel like

00:28:38.829 --> 00:28:41.710
even though I love what's happening musically

00:28:41.710 --> 00:28:46.430
to you on this one But yeah, I feel like this

00:28:46.430 --> 00:28:49.349
song sets up really well kind of like the theme

00:28:49.349 --> 00:28:53.259
of the record. It's like Knowing that hope is

00:28:53.259 --> 00:28:55.759
coming and that it's around the corner but still

00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:59.720
kind of being on the the back edge of it in brokenness

00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:04.980
and experiencing things I just I Really like

00:29:04.980 --> 00:29:06.980
where this kind of like set the pace and set

00:29:06.980 --> 00:29:09.660
the tone for for what's to come So yeah, it was

00:29:09.660 --> 00:29:13.019
great were your thoughts Joel on every star is

00:29:13.019 --> 00:29:20.420
a burning flame I I like I like a lot the guitar

00:29:21.549 --> 00:29:23.589
that's coming in when the song kind of kicks

00:29:23.589 --> 00:29:27.910
in. Yeah, I wrote that I like story songs, like

00:29:27.910 --> 00:29:31.630
songs that kind of tell a story. And I felt like

00:29:31.630 --> 00:29:36.410
this was a really great example of that. And

00:29:36.410 --> 00:29:39.710
I kind of also wrote down Paul Simon on this.

00:29:39.829 --> 00:29:42.369
I got some like Paul Simon kind of vibes from

00:29:42.369 --> 00:29:47.549
it in like a really good way. But yeah, and there

00:29:47.549 --> 00:29:51.819
was a line about I'm trying to remember exactly

00:29:51.819 --> 00:29:54.900
how it goes about a star being a burning flame

00:29:54.900 --> 00:29:59.660
to like a heart being burning flame But yeah,

00:29:59.660 --> 00:30:02.119
I thought I thought there were some really good

00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.720
imagery. I really liked it. Yeah, what about

00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:10.500
you Zeke? Yeah, this is this is one of the Songs

00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:13.519
I feel like on the album. He kind of takes like

00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:17.500
a detour. Mm -hmm. It's not like the most like

00:30:18.210 --> 00:30:22.009
We're diving into grief. Yeah, like hey, we're

00:30:22.009 --> 00:30:25.829
gonna like tell a story for a second It's almost

00:30:25.829 --> 00:30:28.910
like he's just painting a picture of like he

00:30:28.910 --> 00:30:33.369
was you know But musically it's failing. I feel

00:30:33.369 --> 00:30:35.049
like it's one of the more interesting songs on

00:30:35.049 --> 00:30:37.970
the album like drumbeat is really cool There's

00:30:37.970 --> 00:30:39.710
a couple like drum fills in there. I'm like,

00:30:39.970 --> 00:30:43.250
oh wow. That was really groovy and The guitar

00:30:43.250 --> 00:30:47.839
works good One of the things I love about Andrew

00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:53.140
Peterson is that unlike most Christian artists,

00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:58.460
unlike most CCM artists, he's just willing to

00:30:58.460 --> 00:31:03.140
be a storyteller. He's just willing to be a poet.

00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:10.079
He's willing to use robust but flowery language

00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:14.779
and tell us to use his lofty words to bring you

00:31:14.779 --> 00:31:18.339
into a story and write beautiful and compelling

00:31:18.339 --> 00:31:21.059
way that almost feels like on K love you're not

00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:25.460
allowed to do that yeah yeah and he just that's

00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:27.200
that's that's the rich melons you know that's

00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:31.019
like i'm willing to write this song like in the

00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:34.039
most beautiful and compelling way that i can

00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:38.359
um and do it excellently and he just he does

00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.079
that well on this song where he just like he

00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.410
just he's just telling a story And it's compelling.

00:31:46.029 --> 00:31:48.630
This comes up a few times in some of these songs,

00:31:48.730 --> 00:31:54.349
but I enjoy that there isn't like a manual. He

00:31:54.349 --> 00:31:56.849
doesn't have like an instructional guide to like

00:31:56.849 --> 00:32:00.190
how to like produce an album. And I appreciate

00:32:00.190 --> 00:32:02.710
that because I think even sometimes with albums

00:32:02.710 --> 00:32:06.250
like this, it's like it like you're like, oh,

00:32:06.309 --> 00:32:08.849
you have to follow the story. So it's like he's

00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:10.380
There's a little bit of sad at the beginning,

00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:12.359
but then all of a sudden, no, he's already good.

00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:15.440
Like by track three, he's, you know, he's everything's

00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.279
resolved for like our main character. And I just,

00:32:19.299 --> 00:32:22.640
I enjoyed that like even following up, it's not

00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.859
like, like y 'all said, it's like this detour

00:32:24.859 --> 00:32:26.599
of like, here's like a little story. It's not

00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.940
like I have, I don't have to comment more on

00:32:28.940 --> 00:32:30.859
like, well, let's talk a little bit more about

00:32:30.859 --> 00:32:33.400
the dark or like the first track I'm talking

00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.450
about, like. You know, like six in the morning,

00:32:36.450 --> 00:32:38.769
but now I'm going to talk about like six fifteen

00:32:38.769 --> 00:32:41.130
in the morning, you know, like it's kind of him

00:32:41.130 --> 00:32:44.329
doing his own thing. And so I enjoyed that I

00:32:44.329 --> 00:32:47.130
was already kind of picking up on like, OK, like

00:32:47.130 --> 00:32:49.910
I enjoy this first track and I don't I don't

00:32:49.910 --> 00:32:52.289
know where we're going now. Like I don't I don't

00:32:52.289 --> 00:32:54.150
have it mapped out of. Oh, yeah. I know what

00:32:54.150 --> 00:32:58.430
you're going to do next. It's good. Mm hmm. Yeah,

00:32:58.490 --> 00:33:01.809
this song is kind of like. You know, I don't.

00:33:02.430 --> 00:33:04.369
If I'm being honest, I don't know what the point

00:33:04.369 --> 00:33:07.349
of this song is. I'm not sure what is Andrew

00:33:07.349 --> 00:33:10.789
Peterson's mind, but I still find it compelling.

00:33:11.609 --> 00:33:14.890
Just the story of like, like I can just think

00:33:14.890 --> 00:33:17.569
of a time like where the first line, I pulled

00:33:17.569 --> 00:33:19.970
the car off to the side and walked along a starry

00:33:19.970 --> 00:33:24.009
hill in Idaho. Like all of a sudden I'm there.

00:33:24.529 --> 00:33:28.549
Like I'm on that hill and I just feel what he

00:33:28.549 --> 00:33:31.309
feels without him having to tell me what he feels.

00:33:32.019 --> 00:33:35.920
That right there is good storytelling. That's

00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.799
good writing right there. And I feel like I've

00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.960
done that before. Songwriters take note, like

00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:47.559
mention states in your songs. Yeah. It's funny,

00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:49.420
though, he does it later with Tennessee. And

00:33:49.420 --> 00:33:51.700
I'm like, I was immediately there like when he

00:33:51.700 --> 00:33:54.539
does it. I know exactly what he's talking about.

00:33:54.940 --> 00:33:57.599
He does. He does mention North Carolina. Yeah,

00:33:57.900 --> 00:33:59.720
I heard that song. I started thinking about like.

00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:01.799
Oh yeah, that time I broke down in North Carolina.

00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:06.140
I was like, I'm feeling this song. Love that.

00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:07.940
Yeah. It's like in the later on this song, it

00:34:07.940 --> 00:34:09.760
says, I remember Mr. Green and I were walking

00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:12.619
down a busy street in Louisville. I'm like, who's

00:34:12.619 --> 00:34:17.239
Mr. Green? Got no idea. Right. But I can, I can

00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.280
picture like me and a friend walking down a busy

00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.360
street in Louisville and feeling the next line.

00:34:23.420 --> 00:34:25.889
So he talks about The sign said Merton looked

00:34:25.889 --> 00:34:28.230
around and all the people passing by were shining

00:34:28.230 --> 00:34:31.750
like the sun and beautiful. Yeah, this is a great

00:34:31.750 --> 00:34:34.690
line. Like, what's the point? I don't know, but

00:34:34.690 --> 00:34:37.050
you're bringing me into the story of the record

00:34:37.050 --> 00:34:40.630
and that's meaningful. It is. And I think it

00:34:40.630 --> 00:34:44.570
fits really well as a second track because it's

00:34:44.570 --> 00:34:47.659
just a reminder of. That like even I feel like

00:34:47.659 --> 00:34:51.280
in the midst of pain and difficulty and brokenness,

00:34:51.340 --> 00:34:53.239
that there are still these like glimmers and

00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:58.599
moments of joy that exist. And so. But believe

00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:00.340
me, I'd love to sit down with Andrew Peterson

00:35:00.340 --> 00:35:02.539
and say, what were you thinking when you wrote

00:35:02.539 --> 00:35:06.000
this? We'll have you guys back together on the

00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:12.519
podcast. And we love it. Track three, we will

00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.579
survive. Brandon, what do you think about this

00:35:15.579 --> 00:35:20.420
one? um so i i really enjoyed um something that

00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:23.500
like we see a lot is just the build up of stuff

00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:26.980
that it's like the track does like at the beginning

00:35:26.980 --> 00:35:28.860
you don't say okay this is going to be a guitar

00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:32.500
one or anything like that so it's kind of like

00:35:32.500 --> 00:35:34.400
you're seeing where where is he going to take

00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.239
it Um, and I wrote down, it reminded me of a

00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.440
mix of rich Mullins and Stephen curse Chapman.

00:35:41.019 --> 00:35:43.840
Um, but what's funny is this auto corrected in

00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.619
my notes to Rick Mullins. So I kind of laughed

00:35:47.619 --> 00:35:49.219
when I read that and I just started thinking

00:35:49.219 --> 00:35:51.780
of like rich Mullins is like, I don't know, like

00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:55.280
his cousin from like South Carolina or something.

00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.300
So it made me just start thinking of like, Oh,

00:35:58.420 --> 00:36:02.019
but so yeah, that'd be a totally different ball

00:36:02.019 --> 00:36:09.010
game. Zeke, what about you? For We Will Survive?

00:36:09.650 --> 00:36:17.909
Yeah. Yeah. I love this song. Again, it's just

00:36:17.909 --> 00:36:20.969
Andrew Peterson being really vulnerable and real,

00:36:20.969 --> 00:36:27.250
particularly about his marriage. And I wasn't

00:36:27.250 --> 00:36:29.369
married when I first listened to this record,

00:36:29.369 --> 00:36:36.119
but I am now. in a way, this album has followed

00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.679
me throughout the years of my life. And I find

00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.780
myself relating even deeper to songs on this

00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:45.780
record now that I didn't then, while also still

00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:47.500
having the connection to the other songs that

00:36:47.500 --> 00:36:50.659
spoke to me more deeply then. And there's a couple

00:36:50.659 --> 00:36:53.239
songs on this album like that, but this is one

00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:59.639
of them where I really feel this a lot. I think,

00:36:59.739 --> 00:37:06.190
gosh, what's that line? um oh yeah yeah yeah

00:37:06.190 --> 00:37:10.550
i need to it's in the chorus um i need to know

00:37:10.550 --> 00:37:11.929
there's nothing left to fear there's nothing

00:37:11.929 --> 00:37:14.590
left to hide so will you look me in the eyes

00:37:14.590 --> 00:37:18.170
and say we will survive yeah like i can't there's

00:37:18.170 --> 00:37:21.409
just so many times or like i think i just need

00:37:21.409 --> 00:37:24.769
someone to tell me it's gonna be okay i don't

00:37:24.769 --> 00:37:28.909
need someone to give me the answer for this darkness

00:37:28.909 --> 00:37:32.519
i just need someone to say hey it's gonna be

00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:37.900
okay survive and uh it's really simple but profound

00:37:37.900 --> 00:37:42.139
i love that um yeah i think this is one of my

00:37:42.139 --> 00:37:46.539
favorite tracks um on the album and um maybe

00:37:46.539 --> 00:37:48.760
i mean brandon you brought up that this sounded

00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:52.119
like rich mullins but um this song starts off

00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.300
with like a hammer dulcimer which is like um

00:37:55.130 --> 00:37:58.170
it's very that is very rich melons like i don't

00:37:58.170 --> 00:38:00.869
know any other artists in the christian world

00:38:00.869 --> 00:38:04.250
that did that um that's like the epitome of who

00:38:04.250 --> 00:38:09.989
he is and so and and yeah i did like um i i like

00:38:09.989 --> 00:38:13.210
i closed my eyes and almost felt like i was hearing

00:38:13.210 --> 00:38:17.130
him sing again um which was cool and so i loved

00:38:17.130 --> 00:38:20.670
it for that on its own but but then when you

00:38:20.670 --> 00:38:25.269
bring in just the themes of That there is hope

00:38:25.269 --> 00:38:29.010
and we will persevere and we will Survive like

00:38:29.010 --> 00:38:31.610
I really really loved it. I love the groove that

00:38:31.610 --> 00:38:33.690
the song gets into you. So yeah, this one's one

00:38:33.690 --> 00:38:37.309
of my favorite ones I Wonder you know rich never

00:38:37.309 --> 00:38:39.989
got married. So everything you're saying is just

00:38:39.989 --> 00:38:47.510
rich moments for married people Our next track

00:38:47.510 --> 00:38:50.789
my one safe place Zeke, what'd you think about

00:38:50.789 --> 00:38:55.539
this track? Similar or similar to the last one

00:38:55.539 --> 00:38:58.960
in a different way, but just I feel this one

00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:04.219
a lot. A lot deeper now, a lot deeper now that

00:39:04.219 --> 00:39:08.119
I'm married to be totally real and vulnerable

00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.800
in 2016. I also lost my friend, but I also went

00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:17.000
through a breakup, so. So this song kind of hit

00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.679
me in a different way of just like it may be

00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:25.699
more sad back then. But now it's just like I

00:39:25.699 --> 00:39:28.840
just feel what he's talking about like I Feel

00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:33.780
like he's writing this album like one honoring

00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:39.599
Christ as a fast light and darkness and Then

00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:43.159
also honoring his his wife a lot on this album.

00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:48.250
Yeah You just just be in there like yes me through

00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:51.210
all this crap and being, as the song says, my

00:39:51.210 --> 00:39:55.110
one safe place. And I feel like I understand

00:39:55.110 --> 00:39:57.030
that a little bit more now, where it's like,

00:39:57.050 --> 00:39:59.010
man, sometimes my wife does feel like the only

00:39:59.010 --> 00:40:02.010
safe place, or just a blessing it is to come

00:40:02.010 --> 00:40:06.289
home and have someone that not only wants you,

00:40:06.309 --> 00:40:11.190
but needs you and loves you. So I wrote that

00:40:11.190 --> 00:40:13.710
lyrics are like, really like shining on this

00:40:13.710 --> 00:40:16.000
album. And I think at this point, just start

00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.980
kind of noticing like oh man there's a lot of

00:40:18.980 --> 00:40:21.099
like depth like there hasn't been a track yet

00:40:21.099 --> 00:40:25.079
that wasn't like something that you could dive

00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.840
into um and i think what i love too is that this

00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.860
song is such a great example of a lot of times

00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:34.559
in the christian world I think especially like

00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:36.840
in worship music, you start falling on the same

00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.260
descriptions of Jesus. So it's like everyone

00:40:39.260 --> 00:40:41.800
is saying, like, oh, that's like a mighty flame,

00:40:41.900 --> 00:40:44.619
or it's like, you know, it's as deep as the river

00:40:44.619 --> 00:40:49.300
goes, or you know, whatever. And I love that

00:40:49.300 --> 00:40:53.260
the way Andrew puts it, it makes it feel so much

00:40:53.260 --> 00:40:55.539
more personal, because it feels like he's sitting

00:40:55.539 --> 00:41:00.420
down going like, what is Jesus to me, or what

00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:03.659
is this going on? It's not just... like googling

00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:06.460
like how did i how do i describe the feelings

00:41:06.460 --> 00:41:09.079
i'm feeling right now you know i think it's like

00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:11.159
the difference is like right now if i just googled

00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:15.059
like what what love is versus like if someone

00:41:15.059 --> 00:41:17.920
came up to me and i just took time to think like

00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:20.659
what does love mean to me like if i take that

00:41:20.659 --> 00:41:23.800
time it's gonna mean so much more than me just

00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:28.119
finding like the google you know like um definition

00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:31.559
of it so i feel like for me that just kind of

00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.079
like has been shining through on the album. Yeah,

00:41:35.420 --> 00:41:39.039
yeah, it definitely exists. You listen to this

00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.860
album and you can hear the authenticity of it.

00:41:42.940 --> 00:41:45.139
It's like he's like sitting. It's like sitting

00:41:45.139 --> 00:41:47.679
down at a dining room table and he's just like

00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:50.239
telling you like, all right, let me tell you

00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.940
about a season. Mm hmm. And it's great. Yeah.

00:41:55.539 --> 00:41:58.300
Yeah, this one I really liked a lot, too. And

00:41:58.300 --> 00:42:01.699
I just loved like. he he does this thing as a

00:42:01.699 --> 00:42:06.800
songwriter where he drops references and if you

00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.599
know the reference then you get it and if you

00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.920
don't it sounds good still but um yeah i like

00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:17.440
he like he mentions um i'm a lost boy out in

00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:21.380
the trees like like i'm tying that back to peter

00:42:21.380 --> 00:42:25.630
pan but like But it like fits both ways, like

00:42:25.630 --> 00:42:28.090
whether you tie it back to that or not. But yeah,

00:42:28.150 --> 00:42:32.250
it's just fun. Um, and so I, I really like this,

00:42:32.250 --> 00:42:34.690
this one for sure as a guy who at this point

00:42:34.690 --> 00:42:38.090
in my life has been married for 20, almost 23

00:42:38.090 --> 00:42:42.610
years. Um, yeah, it, I still feel this way. And

00:42:42.610 --> 00:42:44.809
so even I was listening to this song with my

00:42:44.809 --> 00:42:47.869
wife yesterday and it, it just brought, um, brought

00:42:47.869 --> 00:42:50.650
all of that back. And so it's a beautiful track.

00:42:50.969 --> 00:42:55.909
Yeah. Alright, so next track is The Rain Keeps

00:42:55.909 --> 00:42:58.630
Falling. Zeke, what are your thoughts on this

00:42:58.630 --> 00:43:02.050
one? This is one of the best on the album, I

00:43:02.050 --> 00:43:07.929
think. In this song, I feel like he just really,

00:43:07.929 --> 00:43:14.929
really dove into the grief and the despair he

00:43:14.929 --> 00:43:20.369
was feeling. And it's so relatable. So relatable.

00:43:22.650 --> 00:43:26.530
Kind of like that like No matter what I do the

00:43:26.530 --> 00:43:29.170
rain like it the the refrain is like the rain

00:43:29.170 --> 00:43:37.510
keeps falling and Yeah It's just something that

00:43:37.510 --> 00:43:41.150
if if you feel it you feel it, you know, if you

00:43:41.150 --> 00:43:43.710
know, you know like and when I heard this song

00:43:43.710 --> 00:43:47.449
I was like, yes, I Feel like I'm there right

00:43:47.449 --> 00:43:52.329
now and I this song just like understood me way

00:43:52.329 --> 00:43:55.610
that I need it and in a way that like I still

00:43:55.610 --> 00:43:57.829
need sometimes and I find myself coming back

00:43:57.829 --> 00:44:03.809
to it. I think the third verse gosh is so good

00:44:03.809 --> 00:44:09.670
like where he says my daughter and I put the

00:44:09.670 --> 00:44:11.550
seeds in the dirt and every day now we've been

00:44:11.550 --> 00:44:14.510
watching the earth for a sign that this death

00:44:14.510 --> 00:44:17.949
will give way to a birth and the rain keeps falling

00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:20.900
and all of a sudden the rain keeps falling starts

00:44:20.900 --> 00:44:24.219
to become a beautiful thing because the good

00:44:24.219 --> 00:44:27.780
that it brings out of death one that's just so

00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:31.199
biblical two it's so beautiful and three that

00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.219
breathes so much purpose into my suffering now

00:44:35.219 --> 00:44:39.500
and all of a sudden i'm not here suffering in

00:44:39.500 --> 00:44:43.449
despair for no reason anymore like God is doing

00:44:43.449 --> 00:44:46.469
something beautiful in this season through this

00:44:46.469 --> 00:44:50.230
death that I'm feeling It's just I don't know

00:44:50.230 --> 00:44:52.750
I could talk about that this song specifically

00:44:52.750 --> 00:44:57.110
for a long time Yeah, man. I was not I was not

00:44:57.110 --> 00:45:00.329
ready. I don't think I was ready for this Like

00:45:00.329 --> 00:45:02.989
I was listening to this and there's such good

00:45:02.989 --> 00:45:08.250
like imagery throughout it like oh My goodness

00:45:08.250 --> 00:45:12.179
that like the line So I'm stuck in this tomb

00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:14.500
and you won't move the stone and the rain keeps

00:45:14.500 --> 00:45:19.659
falling. Um, the one, the one that got me, um,

00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:21.739
there's a woman at home and she's praying for

00:45:21.739 --> 00:45:23.519
a light. My children are there and they love

00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:25.440
me in spite of the shadow. I know that they see

00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:29.000
in my eyes. Um, like I wrestle with that as a

00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.340
dad now and like realizing that my kids often

00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:36.440
see me in like my worst moments and my hardest

00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:40.320
moments. And I feel that. And, and so like, I'm

00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:43.059
with this. And then, man, when that last one

00:45:43.059 --> 00:45:47.599
hit like about the seeds in the dirt and that

00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:52.579
turn happens, I got super emotional and was not

00:45:52.579 --> 00:45:58.260
ready for it. But I'm like. I even as like a

00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:03.940
songwriter myself, like I couldn't. I don't I

00:46:03.940 --> 00:46:06.960
don't know, like I wasn't expecting it somehow,

00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:12.449
and I I. I felt it like in a deep deep way when

00:46:12.449 --> 00:46:15.190
that happened that that turn happened in the

00:46:15.190 --> 00:46:19.949
song and it's not that like everything it's not

00:46:19.949 --> 00:46:24.010
like everything got fixed but it's like his perspective

00:46:24.010 --> 00:46:27.789
began to be shifted and he began to see his suffering

00:46:27.789 --> 00:46:30.679
and his pain in a different way and i feel like

00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.199
that's so i mean that's that's like our life

00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:35.519
and what we walk through and like the hope is

00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.460
that we can see that the testing of our faith

00:46:37.460 --> 00:46:41.480
produces perseverance and not just pain um but

00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:46.440
um man this this one gutted me it's such a good

00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:51.119
song holy cow we all want everybody wants deep

00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.679
down you know i think i think sometimes people

00:46:55.550 --> 00:46:57.949
Maybe, you know, myself included in times of

00:46:57.949 --> 00:47:02.090
my life, but we sometimes lobby unfair criticisms

00:47:02.090 --> 00:47:06.449
at God, I think. Like, why didn't he just make

00:47:06.449 --> 00:47:11.230
the world perfect? Well, first thing is that

00:47:11.230 --> 00:47:14.489
he did, but like, why did he allow sin, right?

00:47:14.489 --> 00:47:17.489
If he's all sovereign, right? But I think deep

00:47:17.489 --> 00:47:22.769
down, none of us want a perfect life. We want

00:47:22.769 --> 00:47:28.260
a meaningful life. And I don't think a life without

00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:33.579
suffering is that meaningful and This song really

00:47:33.579 --> 00:47:38.460
teaches you that mm -hmm and and just such an

00:47:38.460 --> 00:47:45.019
inspiring way And yeah, and I love at the end

00:47:45.019 --> 00:47:47.300
he just starts it almost feels like he's just

00:47:47.300 --> 00:47:49.719
singing off the top of his head at the end Yeah

00:47:50.650 --> 00:47:52.789
He's saying Lord, I can't find the song. Well,

00:47:52.789 --> 00:47:56.050
I'm so tired I'm always so wrong like the like

00:47:56.050 --> 00:47:59.489
words that are just on the tip of your mind right

00:47:59.489 --> 00:48:01.630
when you're going through something hard, right

00:48:01.630 --> 00:48:06.150
and Then it I don't know. There's just something

00:48:06.150 --> 00:48:09.230
he's talking about being in a cave, right and

00:48:09.230 --> 00:48:14.030
and Then he just starts singing is it you is

00:48:14.030 --> 00:48:19.719
it you yeah true is it you Dude, I just felt

00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:26.019
that so deep. It's almost like the song is bringing

00:48:26.019 --> 00:48:28.260
you to a place where he's in a cave and you can

00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:31.639
see a light. And he's asking, is that you, Lord?

00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:37.820
Are you with me? And it's just beautiful. It's

00:48:37.820 --> 00:48:40.730
beautiful. I'm really glad we're all on the same

00:48:40.730 --> 00:48:43.989
page because I have a history of usually our

00:48:43.989 --> 00:48:46.550
guest and Joel will be like this song is life

00:48:46.550 --> 00:48:49.030
-changing and I'll be like that probably the

00:48:49.030 --> 00:48:52.309
first miss on the album if you ask me so I'm

00:48:52.309 --> 00:48:56.210
really glad that we're all on the same page so

00:48:56.210 --> 00:48:59.190
I wrote like when I discovered the band me without

00:48:59.190 --> 00:49:02.949
you they introduced me Ernie would love you right

00:49:02.949 --> 00:49:09.360
now So they introduced the idea that a song can

00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:12.099
be a story. Like, it doesn't have to be a chorus.

00:49:12.739 --> 00:49:15.639
And I feel like for them, there are so many songs

00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:18.059
I would hear where it would be like, you are

00:49:18.059 --> 00:49:20.260
doing, you're painting such a picture and it's

00:49:20.260 --> 00:49:23.079
amazing. But then the chorus immediately is like,

00:49:23.179 --> 00:49:24.840
I'm taken out of it. It's almost like a musical.

00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:27.019
Like, my problem with musicals have always been

00:49:27.019 --> 00:49:29.539
that, okay, if you're really struggling with

00:49:29.539 --> 00:49:31.849
this, like, How is it that you and 20 people

00:49:31.849 --> 00:49:34.010
have this perfect choreography? Like I'm immediately

00:49:34.010 --> 00:49:36.489
taken out of the story of like, oh, no, this

00:49:36.489 --> 00:49:38.730
is a movie. This is a performance. This isn't

00:49:38.730 --> 00:49:43.510
like real. And for me, I just thought like this

00:49:43.510 --> 00:49:46.230
is such a good example of that is that if you

00:49:46.230 --> 00:49:50.409
had some chorus break in, like I don't I don't

00:49:50.409 --> 00:49:52.849
I don't think you could write a chorus that would

00:49:52.849 --> 00:49:55.449
have made it to where, yep, this song is better

00:49:55.449 --> 00:49:58.489
because we had two verses, you know, or whatever.

00:49:59.869 --> 00:50:02.630
I felt like it just benefited so much from not

00:50:02.630 --> 00:50:05.150
having this like eight lines we have to bounce

00:50:05.150 --> 00:50:08.550
back to and um since y 'all both shared lines

00:50:08.550 --> 00:50:11.409
that you loved um one of the lines I loved was

00:50:11.409 --> 00:50:15.030
um I'm so tired of this game of these songs of

00:50:15.030 --> 00:50:17.809
the rote I'm already ashamed of the line I just

00:50:17.809 --> 00:50:22.909
wrote yeah and I just I felt like I feel like

00:50:22.909 --> 00:50:25.329
for me that was something I looked at and thought

00:50:25.329 --> 00:50:28.219
like i know for me there's been a lot of times

00:50:28.219 --> 00:50:30.380
where especially i feel like in ministry if my

00:50:30.380 --> 00:50:32.739
heart's not in it it's like you're just trying

00:50:32.739 --> 00:50:34.639
to like check a box or you're like i didn't have

00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.119
time to do that so it'll be fine i'll just reuse

00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.219
i'll reuse like a graphic or a video that we

00:50:39.219 --> 00:50:42.119
made a couple of weeks ago and it's just just

00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:46.159
immediately like yeah this isn't fulfilling because

00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:50.079
i didn't take the time like i tried to like bypass

00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:53.400
this or whatever um I feel like for me, this

00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:56.860
is probably my favorite song off the album. Just

00:50:56.860 --> 00:51:01.199
a really, really cool song. Yeah, I love that

00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:04.000
verse, too. And I love that line where he says,

00:51:04.019 --> 00:51:06.940
I'm already ashamed of the line I just wrote.

00:51:06.940 --> 00:51:10.019
Yeah, just heard. It's almost like he like broke

00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:13.340
a rule writing that. Yeah. Breaking the third

00:51:13.340 --> 00:51:16.119
wall. Yeah, it's like he broke the fourth wall

00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:20.420
by writing that line. It's like. He immediately

00:51:20.420 --> 00:51:22.480
took you out of the spell of the song and took

00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.920
you into him in a room writing these lyrics down

00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:28.699
Mm -hmm. I'm ashamed of this line I just wrote

00:51:28.699 --> 00:51:31.599
and instead of that like taking away from the

00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:35.199
song it adds more to the vulnerability mm -hmm

00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:39.099
as a real person writing a real song about his

00:51:39.099 --> 00:51:41.500
life, and he just admitted that he's ashamed

00:51:41.500 --> 00:51:45.260
of the line he wrote like It's something about

00:51:45.260 --> 00:51:48.880
that drew it draws me even deeper in yeah It's

00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:52.179
cool. I love it. Next up we have the shortest

00:51:52.179 --> 00:51:56.539
title of the album rejoice Joel, what'd you think

00:51:56.539 --> 00:51:59.699
about rejoice? Yeah. Well, I wrote down the note.

00:51:59.699 --> 00:52:02.480
This is the first really chill song I don't really

00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:04.300
know if that's true because I wasn't listening

00:52:04.300 --> 00:52:10.340
to it in order But that's one of my notes anyways,

00:52:10.340 --> 00:52:16.659
no, I I love I love this one I think I feel like

00:52:16.659 --> 00:52:23.860
on an album like this You have to take nature

00:52:23.860 --> 00:52:29.139
and creation and talk about spring, because it's

00:52:29.139 --> 00:52:33.960
such a beautiful picture of turnover, of life.

00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:38.539
I think one of my favorite quotes by Martin Luther

00:52:38.539 --> 00:52:42.320
is that the Lord has written the promise of resurrection,

00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.019
not in books alone, but on every leaf in springtime.

00:52:47.099 --> 00:52:51.360
and how, obviously, creation declares the glory

00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.400
of God, like we get to see it and experience,

00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:57.300
but we also get to experience the gospel in new

00:52:57.300 --> 00:53:00.360
life. And it's spring right now, and I've been

00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.300
outside as much as I can be just because I feel

00:53:03.300 --> 00:53:05.820
like I'm literally living and breathing in hope

00:53:05.820 --> 00:53:10.179
and pollen. I was about to say, I feel like I

00:53:10.179 --> 00:53:12.820
haven't been breathing in hope, but some Zyrtec

00:53:12.820 --> 00:53:18.699
will help me. Uh, but, um, but yeah, so I love,

00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:21.559
I love just, I love the theme of spring. And

00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:24.860
so I feel like, um, this song does, does a great

00:53:24.860 --> 00:53:26.739
job of drawing that out and then just keeping

00:53:26.739 --> 00:53:30.420
it going. Again, I wrote down very Mullins. Um,

00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:33.619
um, there's, there's a great, a great build.

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.119
Um, and this, this, I feel like this is a song

00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:41.440
that starts off, um, Think on this song he does

00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:43.900
this more so than in the other songs But they're

00:53:43.900 --> 00:53:46.639
they're the dynamics of it or bigger like it

00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:49.260
starts smaller and it gets bigger than a lot

00:53:49.260 --> 00:53:51.900
of these tracks do and always Appreciate that

00:53:51.900 --> 00:53:53.579
feeling especially when you're talking about

00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:58.840
new life sort of so mm -hmm. Yes Definitely,

00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:04.099
how about you Zeke? Yeah This is a very rich

00:54:04.099 --> 00:54:07.460
Mullen song to me about more that hammer dulcimer.

00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:12.369
Yeah and uh it just kind of it fits it gives

00:54:12.369 --> 00:54:15.769
it like a brighter feel you know and this song

00:54:15.769 --> 00:54:18.590
over joys right uh the first line in the song

00:54:18.590 --> 00:54:21.050
is and when the winter is over right so it is

00:54:21.050 --> 00:54:26.130
a very like spring feel like song um one of my

00:54:26.130 --> 00:54:32.070
favorite lines in this song is um um it's the

00:54:32.070 --> 00:54:35.099
second verse And when the peace turns to danger,

00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:37.940
the nights are longer than days, and every friend

00:54:37.940 --> 00:54:41.679
has a stranger's face. Then deep within the dungeon

00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:48.719
cell, you have to make a choice. I love that.

00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:51.260
I love that. Sometimes you do have to make a

00:54:51.260 --> 00:54:56.619
choice. And that, I guess that can feel kind

00:54:56.619 --> 00:54:59.460
of like defeating, like what? I just have to

00:54:59.460 --> 00:55:03.269
choose? But in the same time, it's like, Like

00:55:03.269 --> 00:55:06.489
like no like you have the power to choose like

00:55:06.489 --> 00:55:11.409
don't have to roll over and die to your like

00:55:11.409 --> 00:55:15.730
depression Now it's not always that easy the

00:55:15.730 --> 00:55:19.969
feelings don't come always but like The beautiful

00:55:19.969 --> 00:55:23.650
thing is that in Christ like it's not an unreasonable

00:55:23.650 --> 00:55:28.710
choice to make Choose the choice despite your

00:55:28.710 --> 00:55:32.349
sadness, right? We always have a reason to but

00:55:32.349 --> 00:55:35.090
I just love that. He gave us this call in the

00:55:35.090 --> 00:55:37.469
middle of this album about sadness He gave us

00:55:37.469 --> 00:55:42.590
this call to make the choice. Yeah So yeah, the

00:55:42.590 --> 00:55:44.829
message is simpler in this song, but still just

00:55:44.829 --> 00:55:48.269
great great track Yeah, I feel like for me it

00:55:48.269 --> 00:55:52.190
was um Like a simpler track, but I feel like

00:55:52.190 --> 00:55:55.289
that's nice when you get to like throw that in

00:55:55.289 --> 00:55:56.829
you know like I feel like when you hear that

00:55:56.829 --> 00:56:00.260
you think it's Okay. Well, it's not as good as

00:56:00.260 --> 00:56:02.400
the rest or whatever, but I feel like it really

00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:07.780
fits To throw in a song like this That just have

00:56:07.780 --> 00:56:10.559
a little bit of a like easier vibes or kind of

00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:15.079
like you're getting at so Yeah, and it feels

00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:19.539
great right after the heavy weight of Yeah, yeah,

00:56:19.539 --> 00:56:22.599
it does. Yeah, that's a good point All right.

00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:26.599
Track seven is I want to say I'm sorry Brandon.

00:56:26.699 --> 00:56:28.909
What do you think about this one? Um, so I started

00:56:28.909 --> 00:56:31.389
off with the lyrics that stood out was well,

00:56:31.429 --> 00:56:34.269
I want to say I'm sorry, but I don't know how

00:56:34.269 --> 00:56:38.329
And I think that this album is just full of songs

00:56:38.329 --> 00:56:42.570
that check every box and that's music That's

00:56:42.570 --> 00:56:46.309
lyrics. Um, and then there's that extra box where

00:56:46.309 --> 00:56:48.630
it's like the artist believes what they're saying

00:56:48.630 --> 00:56:52.179
and I think that like it's in and out of christian

00:56:52.179 --> 00:56:54.820
music like it's important because i mean like

00:56:54.820 --> 00:56:56.880
even if it's like just a statement about someone

00:56:56.880 --> 00:57:00.079
singing about like their wife or something that

00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.639
they think social change or you know whatever

00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:05.260
like you want there to be this like sincerity

00:57:05.260 --> 00:57:08.860
um but i think in christian music like even more

00:57:08.860 --> 00:57:12.139
so like you you expect that and you're almost

00:57:12.139 --> 00:57:14.760
you're you're not almost like you are held to

00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.119
that standard of like or you're not just singing

00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:20.420
this so that you can take my money you know and

00:57:20.420 --> 00:57:23.079
then i'll buy tickets for your your show or buy

00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:28.039
your cd um and i just i think that like just

00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:30.780
the songs and this album is everything is checks

00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:33.800
those boxes where it's like there's nothing where

00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:36.579
it's like well he's focusing on the lyrics so

00:57:36.579 --> 00:57:38.980
the music's gonna suffer or he's gonna have to

00:57:38.980 --> 00:57:42.369
like change his tone a little bit and I love

00:57:42.369 --> 00:57:44.949
that so much of the album has been kind of the

00:57:44.949 --> 00:57:47.730
same themes, but they haven't like worn out their

00:57:47.730 --> 00:57:50.230
welcome. Like I don't find myself thinking like,

00:57:50.309 --> 00:57:53.650
OK, can we can we get happy now or can we stop

00:57:53.650 --> 00:57:56.610
mentioning like it's it's still like enjoying

00:57:56.610 --> 00:58:00.469
the album? Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Zeke. Yeah,

00:58:00.469 --> 00:58:04.230
I love this track. I feel this even more deeply

00:58:04.230 --> 00:58:06.650
than the first time I heard it now being married.

00:58:07.389 --> 00:58:12.099
I've said I'm sorry to my wife a lot. Well, I

00:58:12.099 --> 00:58:14.360
say it hopefully I'll say it more but if I'm

00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:17.880
being real I hope I don't but if I'm being real

00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.280
I should I Love that this song gives voice to

00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:26.300
that it gives dignity and it gives like respect

00:58:26.300 --> 00:58:30.420
to like a man Humbling himself and saying he's

00:58:30.420 --> 00:58:35.119
sorry. Yeah, I I could go deep into my testimony

00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:39.699
about how Having a dad who was willing to say

00:58:39.699 --> 00:58:43.719
he was sorry changed my life And how important

00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:47.920
that is I believe as a man to be willing to just

00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:52.039
say I'm sorry And how hard that is a lot of times

00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.280
I think our culture Preaches against that and

00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:59.480
preaches wrong views of manhood. Yeah But it's

00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.579
actually really strong. It's a really strong

00:59:01.579 --> 00:59:03.980
thing to do to say I'm sorry, but my my favorite

00:59:03.980 --> 00:59:08.010
verse in this is The second verse I think he

00:59:08.010 --> 00:59:10.590
says well, I want to say I'm sorry But it's not

00:59:10.590 --> 00:59:14.409
enough to close the wounds that I opened up So

00:59:14.409 --> 00:59:16.989
now I've got I've got this sorrow and you've

00:59:16.989 --> 00:59:20.369
got this hurt and we can't go back to who we

00:59:20.369 --> 00:59:23.809
were Mm -hmm says oh, but could that mean I'm

00:59:23.809 --> 00:59:26.789
someone new Maybe I can love you better than

00:59:26.789 --> 00:59:32.030
I've failed to do and I love those lines Good

00:59:32.030 --> 00:59:35.320
I think I've never really understood, like, when

00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:40.139
you hear people say, like, well, they're just

00:59:40.139 --> 00:59:44.239
not the same person that I married. Yeah. My

00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:46.659
thought is, like, what, 15 years ago? Of course

00:59:46.659 --> 00:59:49.059
they're not. That was 15 years ago. Like, everyone

00:59:49.059 --> 00:59:51.699
changes. Like, that's kind of what you signed

00:59:51.699 --> 00:59:55.860
up for, right? Yeah. I know that can be oversimplifying

00:59:55.860 --> 01:00:00.079
15 years of someone's life, but to give that

01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.050
as a main reason, like, well, I, you know, I

01:00:03.050 --> 01:00:05.050
just can't do this because they're not the same

01:00:05.050 --> 01:00:08.789
person I married I think is ridiculous and I

01:00:08.789 --> 01:00:12.510
love how he points this out like yeah we can't

01:00:12.510 --> 01:00:15.090
go back to who we were because of what's happened

01:00:15.090 --> 01:00:17.730
but and then he immediately breathes hope into

01:00:17.730 --> 01:00:21.690
that like oh but that could mean I'm someone

01:00:21.690 --> 01:00:24.349
new and that means I can love you even better

01:00:24.349 --> 01:00:26.610
than I it could be better than it was before

01:00:26.610 --> 01:00:31.269
if we Stop romanticizing what once was and accept

01:00:31.269 --> 01:00:36.150
our reality now we can move forward and I That's

01:00:36.150 --> 01:00:38.590
so beautiful and a right way to look at it. It's

01:00:38.590 --> 01:00:41.630
full of them. Yeah Yeah, there's a lot that I

01:00:41.630 --> 01:00:45.210
love about this one. I love the the bridge and

01:00:45.210 --> 01:00:47.929
The they'll tell you everything is beautiful

01:00:47.929 --> 01:00:50.329
and pure but there was poison in the well from

01:00:50.329 --> 01:00:53.500
years before just the idea that we all walk We

01:00:53.500 --> 01:00:56.659
all walk into relationships with baggage and

01:00:56.659 --> 01:00:59.619
brokenness and, and then we have to navigate

01:00:59.619 --> 01:01:01.940
not just the present with this person, but the

01:01:01.940 --> 01:01:04.480
way that all of the past has affected that present.

01:01:04.980 --> 01:01:07.860
Um, but how that ultimately leads us to be people

01:01:07.860 --> 01:01:11.239
that are willing to forgive and confess. And

01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:13.659
so I love then how the song ends up on, so this

01:01:13.659 --> 01:01:16.739
is my communion hymn. I want to sit beside you

01:01:16.739 --> 01:01:18.920
at the feast, my friend again and again and again

01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:23.639
and again. Um, just this idea of. remembering,

01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:28.400
one, who we are now in Christ, but two, always

01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:30.599
being willing that... Being people that are willing

01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:34.500
to confess to each other, even to our spouse.

01:01:34.820 --> 01:01:36.300
Yeah, I think it's beautiful. Right. Another

01:01:36.300 --> 01:01:39.820
Martin Luther quote, one of the... This is, I

01:01:39.820 --> 01:01:41.440
think he said, the whole of the Christian life

01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:45.119
is repentance. Don't move on past repentance.

01:01:45.820 --> 01:01:47.380
You're actually supposed to get better and better

01:01:47.380 --> 01:01:50.570
at it. It's so good. It's the most that we've

01:01:50.570 --> 01:01:52.789
quoted Martin Lee during an episode. So I think

01:01:52.789 --> 01:01:54.690
that's the most time we've we've mentioned like

01:01:54.690 --> 01:01:59.070
quoted lyrics to a lot of records today with

01:01:59.070 --> 01:02:03.969
Pretty awesome. Um, our next track is be kind

01:02:03.969 --> 01:02:07.590
to yourself Zeke would you think about that track?

01:02:08.750 --> 01:02:12.690
This is one I've come back to a lot on times

01:02:12.690 --> 01:02:18.219
when I I need a reminder so so hard on myself.

01:02:19.699 --> 01:02:22.000
Now, not to negate what we talked about in the

01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:24.699
last song, that doesn't mean I keep myself from

01:02:24.699 --> 01:02:27.239
repenting or like I don't accept conviction of

01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:31.900
my sins, but just when that turns into self -condemnation,

01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:34.659
it has entered into a sinful realm, I think.

01:02:35.739 --> 01:02:42.239
And this is just such a great song. It is also

01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:46.820
another kind of like simple message. But it's

01:02:46.820 --> 01:02:51.780
such a needed message So don't be mean to yourself

01:02:51.780 --> 01:02:57.659
be kind to yourself and I Love the line. It's

01:02:57.659 --> 01:03:01.880
super simple, but That how does it end when the

01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:04.039
war that you're in is just you against you against

01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:06.920
you you got to learn to love your enemies, too

01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:10.539
That's so good. Forget that we're treating ourselves

01:03:10.539 --> 01:03:15.659
like an enemy and God said So yeah, I love the

01:03:15.659 --> 01:03:19.159
the message behind this song I'm pretty sure

01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:23.260
that he wrote this for his daughter At least

01:03:23.260 --> 01:03:28.440
all signs point to that in the in the song And

01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:31.079
so I kind of I kind of hear it as like a fatherly

01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:34.539
reminder. Yeah Kind of do yourself. Yeah, that's

01:03:34.539 --> 01:03:36.900
really good. That was my favorite section to

01:03:36.900 --> 01:03:40.219
Being at war with yourself and loving your enemies.

01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:46.039
Yeah such a powerful idea Yeah, I love that it

01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:48.320
does seem like a fatherly reminder like a dad

01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:50.579
to a daughter But then also like our Heavenly

01:03:50.579 --> 01:03:53.500
Father to us just as a constant constant reminder.

01:03:53.500 --> 01:04:01.139
So it's good Yeah, I feel like it's um, it's

01:04:01.139 --> 01:04:05.400
like it's such a like a good message I wrote

01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:07.380
down to I feel like you could create a sermon

01:04:07.380 --> 01:04:12.400
series based on this album Because at the end

01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:14.199
I was like man, I feel like everyone here You

01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:15.860
could just have like I mean you already have

01:04:15.860 --> 01:04:18.119
your titles right there, too That we will survive

01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:21.199
my one safe place the rain keeps falling. It's

01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:23.280
sound cool, too You have good sermons and you'd

01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:25.559
have good uh, it's like you've been on a church

01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:28.719
staff for a few years now things that are coming

01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:34.599
to your mind Yeah, I have thoughts on that um

01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:43.940
coming up oh cool um all right so next track

01:04:43.940 --> 01:04:47.019
i've got to i'll have to repull up my thing next

01:04:47.019 --> 01:04:50.139
track is um track number nine the power of a

01:04:50.139 --> 01:04:53.239
great affection um zeke what do you think about

01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:57.579
this one uh this might be my favorite song yeah

01:04:57.579 --> 01:05:05.289
yeah i love this song come back to it a lot It's

01:05:05.289 --> 01:05:11.309
actually in my Instagram bio. I once heard a

01:05:11.309 --> 01:05:13.010
story, I don't know if this is where this came

01:05:13.010 --> 01:05:17.869
from, but I once heard a story that in a country

01:05:17.869 --> 01:05:20.170
in Africa, I'm not sure where, it might be a

01:05:20.170 --> 01:05:25.949
region of Africa, but whenever the body of Christ

01:05:25.949 --> 01:05:28.550
in that region of Africa, whenever someone was

01:05:28.550 --> 01:05:33.219
saved, they wouldn't say, oh that person was

01:05:33.219 --> 01:05:35.719
saved, they would say that person was seized

01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:39.000
by the power of her great affection. I just thought

01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:44.639
that was like so beautiful, such a way to describe

01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:48.539
like God's love overcoming my sin, you know?

01:05:49.099 --> 01:05:53.159
And I just love it. I love that. I don't know

01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:55.559
where Andrew Peterson was drawing from when he

01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:58.559
wrote this, but I've heard that phrase before

01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:02.349
and I just think it's Such a great way to describe

01:06:02.349 --> 01:06:08.030
what it means to And I love that this out this

01:06:08.030 --> 01:06:12.389
song within the album is Again, kind of a departure

01:06:12.389 --> 01:06:15.849
from the storytelling nature. Mm -hmm. It just

01:06:15.849 --> 01:06:19.269
like a just kind of like a worship song but not

01:06:19.269 --> 01:06:22.510
like not like a corporate K love or even like

01:06:22.510 --> 01:06:26.170
a corporate like Sunday morning like just in

01:06:26.170 --> 01:06:30.599
person like Okay, I feel like I could hear Andrew

01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.159
Peterson just singing this alone in his room

01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:37.119
like It's almost like a testimonial personal

01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:40.139
worship song and it just feels so pure -hearted

01:06:40.139 --> 01:06:44.000
to me Yeah, and one of those that like I have

01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:47.000
like found myself singing over and over and over

01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:49.280
again throughout the year since I first heard

01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:56.619
it So there's there's a A famous 19th century

01:06:56.619 --> 01:07:00.500
sermon by Thomas Chalmers called The Expulsive

01:07:00.500 --> 01:07:03.699
Power of a New Affection. Yes, I've heard that

01:07:03.699 --> 01:07:06.739
one, too. That I think is kind of where the idea

01:07:06.739 --> 01:07:11.500
of that comes from. Yeah. So you can read it

01:07:11.500 --> 01:07:14.460
online. So maybe the pastor that told that first

01:07:14.460 --> 01:07:18.400
story was wrong. But what jumped out to me was

01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:23.179
the power of the phrase. Yeah. Yeah. used by

01:07:23.179 --> 01:07:25.460
the power of a great affection i just love that

01:07:25.460 --> 01:07:27.699
i think they probably all feed just off of each

01:07:27.699 --> 01:07:30.340
other in a lot of different ways but yeah um

01:07:30.340 --> 01:07:33.099
building up what you said zeke so like we've

01:07:33.099 --> 01:07:36.260
had a couple artists on here and i feel like

01:07:36.260 --> 01:07:39.260
i'm trying to like get this term going but i

01:07:39.260 --> 01:07:41.139
because i was like i don't know how to kind of

01:07:41.139 --> 01:07:44.019
describe like what you were describing and we've

01:07:44.019 --> 01:07:46.059
had a couple artists on here that we've reviewed

01:07:46.059 --> 01:07:50.639
um like peste and chris ranzima and i was like

01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:52.849
it's almost like You're looking through like

01:07:52.849 --> 01:07:55.110
their journal. Like you said, they're not writing

01:07:55.110 --> 01:07:58.610
this song to be like cool There's gonna be songs

01:07:58.610 --> 01:08:00.690
across the country. They're singing this on sunday

01:08:00.690 --> 01:08:03.590
mornings. Yeah, it's more of you're just like

01:08:03.590 --> 01:08:07.250
Man, it's not it's not the most like beautiful

01:08:07.250 --> 01:08:10.269
or polished but like this is how I guess it goes

01:08:10.269 --> 01:08:12.969
back to like describing like if I describe love

01:08:12.969 --> 01:08:16.350
to you, it's not gonna be This very well put

01:08:16.350 --> 01:08:19.489
together thing. It's gonna be me going like oh

01:08:19.489 --> 01:08:22.829
well this is the times like love's not this because

01:08:22.829 --> 01:08:25.210
this was a bad relationship with whoever but

01:08:25.210 --> 01:08:28.550
like this is the really good good things you

01:08:28.550 --> 01:08:30.590
know with love so like it's going to be very

01:08:30.590 --> 01:08:33.590
like kind of all over the place yeah but at the

01:08:33.590 --> 01:08:36.890
end like it makes sense and um i kind of feel

01:08:36.890 --> 01:08:40.859
the same way about that song It's probably my

01:08:40.859 --> 01:08:44.420
favorite genre of music whatever it is that you

01:08:44.420 --> 01:08:47.439
call it journal or journal worship journal worship

01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:52.420
My top two albums of last year fall in that category.

01:08:52.899 --> 01:08:56.439
So When John Van Dusen as long as I am in the

01:08:56.439 --> 01:08:59.079
10 in this body, I will make a joyful noise fellow

01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:03.939
tooth and nail Sort of current guy. I don't know

01:09:03.939 --> 01:09:05.800
if you've ever listened to his stuff, but it's

01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:09.229
so good Um and john van deessen john van deessen.

01:09:09.250 --> 01:09:11.869
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm a big fan. Yeah, he's

01:09:11.869 --> 01:09:13.850
great I've been listening to a lot of his newer

01:09:13.850 --> 01:09:16.029
stuff. Yeah, like that new album he released.

01:09:16.329 --> 01:09:19.109
Yeah Got some really good songs. It's unbelievable.

01:09:19.109 --> 01:09:22.909
And then um john gara or john guera his I love

01:09:22.909 --> 01:09:27.189
oh my god That record. Holy cow. I love john

01:09:27.189 --> 01:09:30.109
gara, man Yeah, hit the past three albums have

01:09:30.109 --> 01:09:33.149
been so good. So good all of it. Oh my goodness.

01:09:33.270 --> 01:09:35.960
Yeah, I just get that was His Jesus record was

01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:39.260
my number one record last year. Just really incredible.

01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:43.699
Yeah. But I loved his album Ordinary Ways. Yeah,

01:09:43.859 --> 01:09:47.500
it's so good. It's so good. But that song let

01:09:47.500 --> 01:09:49.199
a little light in. You talk about a song that

01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:51.880
would fit on this record thematically. Like,

01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:56.140
yeah, man. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, I love this

01:09:56.140 --> 01:09:59.680
track. I literally wrote that down as a note.

01:09:59.739 --> 01:10:03.420
Love this one. I love that there's like a line

01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:08.880
about, where is it? I want to make sure I get

01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:16.439
it right because I don't want to blow it. So

01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:18.119
Father, I'll give you thanks and praise. The

01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:20.199
sun has opened wide the gate of glory. He declared

01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:22.420
your mighty love and gave his grace and I will

01:10:22.420 --> 01:10:27.279
tell his story. It is my story. Um, uh, so good.

01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:32.159
Yeah right there. Yep Such such a great track.

01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:35.600
Yeah, so All right, and we move to our final

01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:38.819
track, uh, joel your thoughts on the sower's

01:10:38.819 --> 01:10:44.060
son, man Um, I oh, yeah I don't know if this

01:10:44.060 --> 01:10:45.939
might be my favorite track on the record and

01:10:45.939 --> 01:10:49.979
I probably Have weird reasons for it, but we're

01:10:49.979 --> 01:10:52.220
we're about to starting on easter step into a

01:10:52.220 --> 01:10:56.300
sermon series um, John 14 through 17 called abide.

01:10:56.659 --> 01:10:58.939
And so this song just connected to me because

01:10:58.939 --> 01:11:01.600
I've been spending a lot of time in those passages.

01:11:02.260 --> 01:11:06.760
Um, but then he also takes it to what is maybe

01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:09.500
my favorite chapter in all the Bible and Isaiah

01:11:09.500 --> 01:11:14.600
55, um, from there and holy cow, like just the

01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:17.979
connection of those two things and how like I've

01:11:17.979 --> 01:11:21.079
never Spent a lot of time thinking about a thematic

01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:25.899
connection between the two but But it works so

01:11:25.899 --> 01:11:28.060
well as he brings them together here and I feel

01:11:28.060 --> 01:11:31.960
like it's just such a great Cap to this record.

01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:36.619
I mean he spends time talking about the rain

01:11:36.619 --> 01:11:39.539
earlier in this record the rain keeps falling

01:11:39.539 --> 01:11:43.859
and Here you find about how from Isaiah 55 like

01:11:43.859 --> 01:11:46.220
the rain and the snow don't fall without purpose

01:11:46.220 --> 01:11:51.529
But there it's all purposeful um and uh I just

01:11:51.529 --> 01:11:54.449
feel like it's such a good tie to everything

01:11:54.449 --> 01:11:58.229
lyrically it's incredible I love the melody like

01:11:58.229 --> 01:12:02.189
I love everything about this song it's so good

01:12:02.189 --> 01:12:07.510
yeah yeah it's awesome um this is a great way

01:12:07.510 --> 01:12:12.649
to end the record yeah I feel it all up um again

01:12:12.649 --> 01:12:18.039
I love his there's poetic writing like he just

01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:22.279
pulls you into all the imagery he uses like uh

01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:27.539
like i don't find a lot of like uh a lot of like

01:12:27.539 --> 01:12:31.520
deeply christian artists that write things like

01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:34.760
so i kneel at the bright edge of the garden at

01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:37.920
the golden edge of dawn at the edge of spring

01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:41.899
when the winter's edge is gone like that just

01:12:41.899 --> 01:12:46.800
like uses so much like Colorful language and

01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:50.500
like really draws you in And then right after

01:12:50.500 --> 01:12:52.760
that he says and I can see the color green I

01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:55.319
can hear the Sower song. I'm sure the color green

01:12:55.319 --> 01:13:02.039
is a little rich melons. I know Yeah I'm sure

01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:06.260
it's a little nugget, but I I also love the whole

01:13:06.260 --> 01:13:11.199
I mean basically just just sings Isaiah 55 Word

01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:13.960
for word that last part of the chapter, right?

01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:20.380
And then like the ending refrain of, it will

01:13:20.380 --> 01:13:23.979
not return void. We shall be let in peace and

01:13:23.979 --> 01:13:27.600
go out with joy. But then the last line on the

01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:32.079
album being that, and the sower leads us, is

01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:37.140
so good. Just a reminder, like wherever you are,

01:13:38.380 --> 01:13:43.359
like Jesus goes before you. Like kind of brings

01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:46.479
it back to like, Psalm 23 verse 4, you know,

01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:48.079
um, even though I walked through the valley of

01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:50.119
shadow of death over fear, no evil for you are

01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:54.020
with me, right? Um, just ending with that refrain

01:13:54.020 --> 01:13:59.720
of and the sower leads us was just so good. Yeah.

01:14:00.060 --> 01:14:02.500
It's powerful. Yeah. I think for me, I was really

01:14:02.500 --> 01:14:05.359
enjoying this album and I was like, man, I hope

01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:09.159
he like lands the plane because it was really,

01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:11.140
really awkward at the last track. It's like,

01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:15.060
oh man i don't know what that thing was um so

01:14:15.060 --> 01:14:18.380
for me like it was almost like i found myself

01:14:18.380 --> 01:14:20.279
being like i'm really enjoying this then i was

01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:22.819
like oh it's the last track and it's like oh

01:14:22.819 --> 01:14:24.899
man and it because it kind of has this build

01:14:24.899 --> 01:14:28.039
like a lot of his stuff where it builds so at

01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:30.840
the beginning i'm kind of like well if it just

01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:33.979
kind of stays like here like am i okay with an

01:14:33.979 --> 01:14:37.420
ending but i feel like this like big like ending

01:14:37.420 --> 01:14:40.670
he has that it builds up to kind of like you

01:14:40.670 --> 01:14:42.569
don't even have to have like ask that question

01:14:42.569 --> 01:14:44.609
of oh is it okay if it ends like on a slower

01:14:44.609 --> 01:14:48.409
thing because um, I think it's cool and I mentioned

01:14:48.409 --> 01:14:52.569
a lot like I a lot of times see albums like as

01:14:52.569 --> 01:14:55.909
um Like as concerts like if this guy was going

01:14:55.909 --> 01:14:58.829
around performing like the 11 year anniversary

01:14:58.829 --> 01:15:01.430
of this album Like if I sat in this show would

01:15:01.430 --> 01:15:04.329
I leave there like loving it or would I be like,

01:15:04.390 --> 01:15:07.550
oh didn't really do that concert but like I feel

01:15:07.550 --> 01:15:10.060
like if you told me like yeah, he's doing a tour

01:15:10.060 --> 01:15:12.859
or like he has a live album of this like i'd

01:15:12.859 --> 01:15:15.600
go listen to it like as soon as i left here because

01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:20.119
i was left like um really really enjoying it

01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:22.739
um i mean i guess we'll be moving into final

01:15:22.739 --> 01:15:26.159
thoughts now yeah go for it so yeah yeah just

01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:29.460
kind of like building off of that like um you

01:15:29.460 --> 01:15:31.840
know it's always it's always tricky when you

01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:36.460
don't you don't know what to expect um I feel

01:15:36.460 --> 01:15:38.619
like just like I said the first time I listened

01:15:38.619 --> 01:15:41.199
through it like I found myself not even reviewing

01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:43.399
it it was I'm listening to this just to enjoy

01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:47.260
it and As someone who just like loves lyrics

01:15:47.260 --> 01:15:50.300
like I just I found myself like loving this and

01:15:50.300 --> 01:15:52.199
I think it's a testament that I feel like almost

01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:55.300
every track we reviewed that there was Between

01:15:55.300 --> 01:15:58.600
one to three of us, you know bringing up a line

01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:02.510
that we really loved from it. Yeah and so for

01:16:02.510 --> 01:16:06.329
me i feel like it's like i would say 4 .5 is

01:16:06.329 --> 01:16:11.989
my rating for it so yeah man i love that um yeah

01:16:11.989 --> 01:16:16.090
for me i'm so thankful that zeke you gave us

01:16:16.090 --> 01:16:18.170
the opportunity to sit down and listen to this

01:16:18.170 --> 01:16:21.270
beginning to end because i think i i had heard

01:16:21.270 --> 01:16:24.670
some of these songs um but but this album does

01:16:24.670 --> 01:16:27.470
something and it's purposeful and it goes somewhere

01:16:27.470 --> 01:16:32.770
um and a lot of it is sitting in the midst of

01:16:32.770 --> 01:16:36.829
struggle, just with hope for what is to come.

01:16:37.369 --> 01:16:42.770
But it like it was a really powerful thing just

01:16:42.770 --> 01:16:46.750
to sit with him as he's kind of walking through

01:16:46.750 --> 01:16:49.649
the rawness of his journey. And I don't know

01:16:49.649 --> 01:16:52.390
all the story of everything that he was walking

01:16:52.390 --> 01:16:56.670
through when when he wrote this album. But but

01:16:56.670 --> 01:17:00.560
the thing is, is like I after listening to some

01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:03.800
of these songs i immediately have like people

01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:06.340
that i'm like oh somebody needs to hear this

01:17:06.340 --> 01:17:08.680
one and somebody needs to hear this one and I

01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:12.340
think that's just the power of of strong songs

01:17:12.340 --> 01:17:15.340
and strong songwriting is that I know I could

01:17:15.340 --> 01:17:17.199
put some of these songs in the hands of people

01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:19.239
that I know that are walking through difficulty

01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:21.760
right now and it would minister to them in a

01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:26.260
pretty powerful way and and so I'm super thankful

01:17:26.260 --> 01:17:29.140
that we got to spend time working through it

01:17:29.140 --> 01:17:33.500
and just kind of digging into a lot of these

01:17:33.500 --> 01:17:36.939
ideas. The lyrics are incredibly, incredibly

01:17:36.939 --> 01:17:42.340
rich and in two ways, but they're just really,

01:17:42.340 --> 01:17:48.319
really powerful. And so I'm walking away from

01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:54.300
this album with more hope myself, which I feel

01:17:54.300 --> 01:17:57.949
like is exactly what Andrew Peterson would want

01:17:57.949 --> 01:18:02.470
for me after listening to it. You can always

01:18:02.470 --> 01:18:05.770
do a scale if I rate every track on the album

01:18:05.770 --> 01:18:08.630
individually and then divide it to come up with

01:18:08.630 --> 01:18:14.250
the average across the board. Even while we are

01:18:14.250 --> 01:18:17.029
working through it, I'm adjusting some scores

01:18:17.029 --> 01:18:19.449
in my head because I'm like, I really like that

01:18:19.449 --> 01:18:24.039
song a lot. And so I think I'm ending up on a

01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:28.720
four point three out of five which is pretty

01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:31.380
Incredible for me after just listening to an

01:18:31.380 --> 01:18:34.020
album a couple of times. So yeah, I loved it

01:18:34.020 --> 01:18:38.819
loved it What about you? Oh Man, I feel like

01:18:38.819 --> 01:18:44.239
I'm a little biased Which is totally okay And

01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:45.939
I know it's probably easier for me to talk through

01:18:45.939 --> 01:18:48.630
is that one because I've gosh I mean listen some

01:18:48.630 --> 01:18:54.069
10 years you know um but i don't know probably

01:18:54.069 --> 01:19:00.970
like a 4 .7 maybe it'd be way up there yeah yeah

01:19:00.970 --> 01:19:05.109
yeah i i really like that and i know like i mentioned

01:19:05.109 --> 01:19:08.350
a like a lot on these podcasts but like i love

01:19:08.350 --> 01:19:10.909
when it's an album that you have people with

01:19:10.909 --> 01:19:12.890
like varying degrees because there's so many

01:19:12.890 --> 01:19:15.390
times where like The person bringing it will

01:19:15.390 --> 01:19:18.170
be like, man, I've held on to this album for,

01:19:18.170 --> 01:19:20.789
you know, five, 10, 15 years. And then like either

01:19:20.789 --> 01:19:23.670
me or Joel, one of us will be like, yeah, like

01:19:23.670 --> 01:19:25.609
I'm a big fan of the band. And then the other

01:19:25.609 --> 01:19:27.329
one will be like, I've never listened to them.

01:19:27.890 --> 01:19:30.609
And to me, like, it's so cool to dive through

01:19:30.609 --> 01:19:34.050
because I think as a listener, because like my

01:19:34.050 --> 01:19:36.350
mom will make comments about like, I don't know

01:19:36.350 --> 01:19:38.449
any of these bands. And most of the time I'm

01:19:38.449 --> 01:19:40.630
like, I don't know most of the bands that we're,

01:19:40.630 --> 01:19:44.260
you know, covering. to me it's just so cool that

01:19:44.260 --> 01:19:47.460
as a listener you get to have these like perspectives

01:19:47.460 --> 01:19:50.039
towards not just like all three of us being like

01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:52.760
we all love this band and for the next hour we're

01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:55.619
just gonna say amazing things like it comes across

01:19:55.619 --> 01:19:58.079
as like here's someone who's listened to this

01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.600
song it has impacted their lives for you know

01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.819
over a decade then you have me who's like oh

01:20:03.819 --> 01:20:07.140
in the past 24 hours you know like it has really

01:20:07.140 --> 01:20:09.859
like kind of made me think about like different

01:20:09.859 --> 01:20:13.770
stuff and um I just think these are a lot of

01:20:13.770 --> 01:20:16.770
times my favorite episodes because I get to find

01:20:16.770 --> 01:20:19.229
new music and the listener gets to experience

01:20:19.229 --> 01:20:24.729
a really cool band. I think that's cool too because

01:20:24.729 --> 01:20:27.710
like you said, it doesn't always go this way,

01:20:27.850 --> 01:20:31.029
but it's really fun when we find something that

01:20:31.029 --> 01:20:34.500
we're like, oh man, this is... from what i've

01:20:34.500 --> 01:20:37.560
seen online like um with the reviews for this

01:20:37.560 --> 01:20:40.720
record they all range from like a 4 .5 to a five

01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:43.699
um because i honestly feel like this is one of

01:20:43.699 --> 01:20:47.000
those albums where if you sit with it and listen

01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:49.079
to it and read the lyrics as you're listening

01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:51.800
to it you i don't think you can help but walk

01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:55.340
away impacted by it in a pretty powerful way

01:20:55.340 --> 01:20:59.859
and so um man See, thanks for bringing us in

01:20:59.859 --> 01:21:03.020
my life for sure he did. But yeah, yeah, of course,

01:21:03.100 --> 01:21:06.300
man. It was it was a pleasure. Yeah. This has

01:21:06.300 --> 01:21:08.319
been a lot of fun just getting to hang out with

01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:11.420
you a little bit and kind of walk walk through

01:21:11.420 --> 01:21:13.960
these things together. And so maybe we can do

01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:17.680
it again down the road sometime. But but man,

01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:19.760
we're really thankful that you took the time.

01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:22.000
I know you have a lot going on and so I appreciate

01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.560
you hopping out of your schedule to spend some

01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:28.369
time with us and Talk with us about this record

01:21:28.369 --> 01:21:31.010
and earlier talk with us about idle threat and

01:21:31.010 --> 01:21:33.170
everything going on with you We're just super

01:21:33.170 --> 01:21:35.069
thankful for you and everything that God's doing

01:21:35.069 --> 01:21:38.850
through you. So Keep pressing on man Thank you,

01:21:38.890 --> 01:21:41.270
man. It was very encouraging to talk to you guys.

01:21:41.609 --> 01:21:44.829
I'm Equally filled with encouragement and hope

01:21:44.829 --> 01:21:48.130
and thankful for you guys you guys as well. Keep

01:21:48.130 --> 01:21:51.130
going. Keep doing it You've got it. You got it.

01:21:51.130 --> 01:21:53.529
We'll keep pressing on well. Thanks again, man.

01:21:53.529 --> 01:22:04.600
We'll transition out Such a fun conversation

01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:08.380
there. Let's get into our lyric of the week.

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All right, the lyric of the week this week comes

01:22:21.659 --> 01:22:25.920
from Sower Song, So I Kneel. At the bright edge

01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:29.340
of the garden, at the golden edge of dawn, at

01:22:29.340 --> 01:22:32.239
the glowing edge of spring, when the winter's

01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:36.000
edge is gone and I can see the color green, I

01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:40.399
can hear the sower song. Andrew Peterson's good

01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:43.340
with imagery. He makes me see things in my head,

01:22:43.859 --> 01:22:47.380
so I've enjoyed digging into that record a lot.

01:22:47.869 --> 01:22:50.170
This was a really fun conversation through that

01:22:50.170 --> 01:22:54.270
album and of course hanging out with Zeke again.

01:22:55.050 --> 01:22:57.310
But we've been really thankful that you joined

01:22:57.310 --> 01:23:00.090
us and come find us at all the places, join the

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