WEBVTT 00:00:01.580 --> 00:00:05.759 Are you listening? This ain't no quiet thing 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:13.119 We're screaming out our lungs Hey! Are you listening? 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:18.879 Hey! Are you there? Hey! Are you listening? Or 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:32.359 do you just not care? Hey! Are you listening? 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:35.380 This is a podcast exploring the past, present, 00:00:35.500 --> 00:00:38.140 and future of Christian music. My name is Joel. 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:40.460 I'm here with my good friend Brandon, and we 00:00:40.460 --> 00:00:42.880 connected over a mutual love of some particular 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:46.420 artists, but also have different tastes when 00:00:46.420 --> 00:00:49.159 it comes to music. So we get to experience some 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:52.420 new stuff from each other and invite some friends 00:00:52.420 --> 00:00:56.579 along for the ride. Brandon, we have a friend 00:00:56.579 --> 00:00:58.659 who's going to join us in just a little bit, 00:00:58.659 --> 00:01:01.770 but how are you doing today? I'm doing really 00:01:01.770 --> 00:01:03.869 good. I discovered something this week that made 00:01:03.869 --> 00:01:06.890 me really happy. Oh, I can't wait to hear about 00:01:06.890 --> 00:01:10.150 it. Um, so recently I've noticed that whenever 00:01:10.150 --> 00:01:13.489 I would drink something with a lime flavor, I 00:01:13.489 --> 00:01:15.569 could not, could not stand it. I'd have to spit 00:01:15.569 --> 00:01:17.870 it out. And I thought that I was starting to 00:01:17.870 --> 00:01:21.469 develop a hatred of lime and it wasn't intentional. 00:01:22.109 --> 00:01:26.129 And, um, but then I tried a, um, one of the energy 00:01:26.129 --> 00:01:29.650 drinks I enjoy. They released a like lime flavor. 00:01:30.030 --> 00:01:32.790 and i was like all right this is the final try 00:01:32.790 --> 00:01:36.129 and i tried it and i really enjoyed it so me 00:01:36.129 --> 00:01:38.790 and lime are back on good terms the love is back 00:01:38.790 --> 00:01:41.450 um what are you gonna do with all those other 00:01:41.450 --> 00:01:43.689 lime things though they're still kicked to the 00:01:43.689 --> 00:01:45.329 curb one of them is just like sitting in the 00:01:45.329 --> 00:01:47.390 fridge and it's so weird because it's like lime 00:01:47.390 --> 00:01:51.349 and dragon fruit but the lime is just so like 00:01:51.349 --> 00:01:54.750 it's like a weird uh film on like your tongue 00:01:54.750 --> 00:01:57.209 and your throat if you drink it there can only 00:01:57.209 --> 00:02:02.989 be one Only have eyes for that one. OK, well, 00:02:02.989 --> 00:02:05.689 that sounds awesome. Well, I'm really grateful 00:02:05.689 --> 00:02:09.650 that you were able to to patch things up in that 00:02:09.650 --> 00:02:14.009 sense. Yeah, I'm excited for today. We get to 00:02:14.009 --> 00:02:17.030 have some fun conversations. But before we get 00:02:17.030 --> 00:02:19.830 into all those things, let's talk about what's 00:02:19.830 --> 00:02:27.460 been in the news. Brandon. Big news got dropped 00:02:27.460 --> 00:02:32.280 this week, at least for me, maybe for you. A 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:35.599 couple of artists that we like have new music. 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.379 One released new music and one announced new 00:02:38.379 --> 00:02:41.719 music, I believe. Is that right? So I'll cover 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:45.419 the announced. So one of my favorite bands, Switchfoot, 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:47.719 announced that they have a new record coming 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:53.199 out called Forever Now this summer in June. This 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:55.219 is, I don't even know. I've been listening to 00:02:55.219 --> 00:02:57.919 Switchfoot since their first record. And I think 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.300 I've bought every single one of them since then. 00:03:00.340 --> 00:03:03.060 So I'm excited. What about you? What's your level 00:03:03.060 --> 00:03:04.740 of excitement when it comes to a new Switchfoot 00:03:04.740 --> 00:03:07.860 record? I think I'm really excited. I think Switchfoot 00:03:07.860 --> 00:03:13.099 was a band that for years, I would love the singles 00:03:13.099 --> 00:03:15.699 off the album, but then really enjoy the deeper 00:03:15.699 --> 00:03:18.439 cuts. But I think I've kind of come along. So 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.259 when I saw the news, I was excited. because I 00:03:21.259 --> 00:03:23.300 think that that that immediately kind of stands 00:03:23.300 --> 00:03:27.180 out as, oh, that's a you assume that's definitely 00:03:27.180 --> 00:03:30.039 a top 10 list, you know, top album of the year, 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:32.740 like maybe like album of the year. Yeah. So I 00:03:32.740 --> 00:03:34.300 feel like there's actually like a lot of kind 00:03:34.300 --> 00:03:36.840 of anticipation and pressure on a release like 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:40.199 that. Yeah. Who's to say? I don't think they've 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:44.300 put out a bad record. I definitely enjoy some 00:03:44.300 --> 00:03:45.759 more than others, but I don't think they've ever 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:48.460 put out a bad record. And so, yeah, we'll see 00:03:48.460 --> 00:03:50.949 how this one. goes. I think there's a single 00:03:50.949 --> 00:03:54.310 coming out pretty soon. That threw me off because 00:03:54.310 --> 00:03:56.969 I thought the single was out, so I spent like 00:03:56.969 --> 00:04:00.849 10 minutes trying to search for it. I think it's 00:04:00.849 --> 00:04:04.789 later on this month, so yeah, I'm looking forward 00:04:04.789 --> 00:04:07.930 to that hitting. Phyllis, send on the other one. 00:04:08.509 --> 00:04:12.669 Yeah, so Jason Dunn's side band, Dunner, they 00:04:12.669 --> 00:04:15.629 released an album just kind of like, I mean, 00:04:15.629 --> 00:04:17.149 I feel like it's out of the blue because I don't 00:04:17.149 --> 00:04:20.379 remember seeing anything about it. and um haven't 00:04:20.379 --> 00:04:24.259 listened to it yet because they released it and 00:04:24.259 --> 00:04:27.779 it wasn't on like Spotify so I started thinking 00:04:27.779 --> 00:04:30.480 maybe it's just like an exclusive but now it 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:35.079 is uploaded to Spotify so I don't know it it's 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:38.120 weird because I've never thought about how like 00:04:38.830 --> 00:04:41.449 how that stuff works where if you're late like 00:04:41.449 --> 00:04:43.649 I wonder how many listens you miss if you're 00:04:43.649 --> 00:04:45.550 late or if you're I mean that might have been 00:04:45.550 --> 00:04:47.170 their design where it was like we're just gonna 00:04:47.170 --> 00:04:49.689 release this a couple of days later to see what 00:04:49.689 --> 00:04:52.750 tracks but yeah because I know like there's been 00:04:52.750 --> 00:04:55.870 bands that like midnight you'll check like if 00:04:55.870 --> 00:04:58.670 Toby Maxx releasing something then midnight that 00:04:58.670 --> 00:05:01.730 single will be on Spotify or Apple or whatever 00:05:01.730 --> 00:05:05.829 and um So I just thought that was it was interesting 00:05:05.829 --> 00:05:08.370 that it wasn't like immediately on there Or at 00:05:08.370 --> 00:05:10.269 least when I checked this would have been probably 00:05:10.269 --> 00:05:13.990 like at noon or so on Friday I don't think I 00:05:13.990 --> 00:05:16.990 knew about Dunner. Is this he's released stuff 00:05:16.990 --> 00:05:19.589 under this name before? Yeah, I think when he 00:05:19.589 --> 00:05:22.050 when he left there's this really interesting 00:05:22.050 --> 00:05:26.670 thing where it was like like Jason Dunn, then 00:05:26.670 --> 00:05:28.990 there's Dunner, then there's I think it's like 00:05:28.990 --> 00:05:32.329 Lights Go Down or something. So there was like 00:05:32.329 --> 00:05:34.509 when he left Hawk Nelson, there became kind of 00:05:34.509 --> 00:05:38.110 his solo stuff, but also probably three or four 00:05:38.110 --> 00:05:42.490 like side projects going on. And so it was really 00:05:42.490 --> 00:05:46.490 interesting to see. But I also felt like a lot 00:05:46.490 --> 00:05:48.850 of it was releasing like very similar stuff. 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.540 So it wasn't this weird thing where it's like, 00:05:51.579 --> 00:05:53.339 well, Donner over here is the punk thing. But 00:05:53.339 --> 00:05:57.500 then stars go is like country like Jason Donner, 00:05:57.620 --> 00:06:01.160 whatever. Why the different avenues? Yeah. What's 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:02.920 funny is I feel like I saw in the last couple 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:07.500 of weeks that he announced a solo record that's 00:06:07.500 --> 00:06:10.879 coming out and then all of a sudden just shatter 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.600 dropped this record, which apparently isn't the 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:17.660 solo record that he has coming out. So. Just 00:06:17.660 --> 00:06:19.160 surprising us all over the place. We need to 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:23.639 have Jason done on so that he can explain Set 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:25.579 the record straight. I think is really cool. 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:28.220 I got to see his um, I don't know if it's like 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:32.319 acoustic coffee shop tour or whatever Last January 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.399 and it was one of it's one of my favorite shows 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.379 I think I've ever gone to yeah, like it was just 00:06:38.379 --> 00:06:41.079 that good of a show. There's a lot of storytelling 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:44.829 a lot of stories behind the songs and I I love 00:06:44.829 --> 00:06:47.949 that stuff. I feel like sometimes like the stage 00:06:47.949 --> 00:06:50.649 and lights can be distracting. So it's cool when 00:06:50.649 --> 00:06:52.790 you feel like you're just sitting with this person 00:06:52.790 --> 00:06:54.810 and they're just telling you stories. Yeah, I 00:06:54.810 --> 00:06:57.629 love that too. I think it's awesome. All right. 00:06:57.629 --> 00:06:59.910 Let's talk a little bit about what we've been 00:06:59.910 --> 00:07:04.709 listening to lately. For me, I think I'm still 00:07:04.709 --> 00:07:08.009 struggling a little bit with like When is this 00:07:08.009 --> 00:07:10.370 new music going to start kicking in pretty and 00:07:10.370 --> 00:07:12.149 we're getting announcements of it, which is great. 00:07:12.209 --> 00:07:15.029 But, um, but it's been rough this year so far 00:07:15.029 --> 00:07:17.310 to kind of get there. I will say though, this 00:07:17.310 --> 00:07:20.410 week, um, strings and heart, a band that I've 00:07:20.410 --> 00:07:23.230 talked about on here before, um, just released 00:07:23.230 --> 00:07:26.550 a new single called eyes on him. And, uh, it's 00:07:26.550 --> 00:07:29.110 a cool little jam. And so it's fun, fun to get 00:07:29.110 --> 00:07:32.629 something new. It came, um, I just actually got 00:07:32.629 --> 00:07:36.279 my vinyl. Copy of their record plastic wine. 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:38.160 I think they just released those but it's fun 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:39.939 that they're like putting new music out. Yeah 00:07:39.939 --> 00:07:44.379 to you so Yeah, it's cool. Yeah. Well if you're 00:07:44.379 --> 00:07:46.420 looking for some other stuff to listen to might 00:07:46.420 --> 00:07:49.360 I suggest colony houses audio tree sessions, 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:52.680 okay? Audio tree it's pretty cool. There's been 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:58.420 a few bands me without you last bison I think 00:07:58.420 --> 00:08:02.290 tedious and brief another one I listened to It's 00:08:02.290 --> 00:08:04.689 really cool. It's just them kind of in just like 00:08:04.689 --> 00:08:07.069 a jam session where it's them playing some of 00:08:07.069 --> 00:08:11.230 their stuff, but it has that like It's live but 00:08:11.230 --> 00:08:13.589 I feel like it's this kind of mixed where it's 00:08:13.589 --> 00:08:15.990 not like live of a show You have all this applause. 00:08:16.029 --> 00:08:18.889 It's more of them just in a room playing it Yeah, 00:08:19.490 --> 00:08:22.089 and um, I feel like those things are always turn 00:08:22.089 --> 00:08:24.610 out really good. I feel like they have like the 00:08:24.610 --> 00:08:29.180 heart of the the real release but they also have 00:08:29.180 --> 00:08:32.399 like a different spin on it yeah so yeah i love 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:35.179 audio tree stuff one of my favorite bands pine 00:08:35.179 --> 00:08:40.120 grove has an audio tree maybe two sessions um 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.559 yeah they do really good work over there so that's 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.960 cool all right well let's check the mail bag 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.659 All right, it's time to check the mail. Today's 00:08:59.659 --> 00:09:02.539 question comes to us from friend and friend of 00:09:02.539 --> 00:09:06.220 the show, Chris Mims. This is kind of a lengthy 00:09:06.220 --> 00:09:11.559 one. He asked this. Where is your line of demarcation 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.919 for classic rock? If you listen to your local 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:17.759 classic rock station, you're likely to hear Chili 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:20.559 Peppers, Foo Fighters and Linkin Park alongside 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:23.019 the likes of Zeppelin, the Eagles and the Beatles. 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:27.059 Where is your delineation? Um, so where do you 00:09:27.059 --> 00:09:29.960 draw the line when something becomes classic 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:34.779 versus like still kind of now And I guess take 00:09:34.779 --> 00:09:36.679 that and put it in the ccm world a little bit. 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:40.139 Yeah. Yeah, I think that um 10 years before you 00:09:40.139 --> 00:09:44.460 were born So I think that if it's or or I would 00:09:44.460 --> 00:09:46.759 say maybe even before you were born like it's 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:49.080 classic So I think for me like I would see like 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:51.659 anything in the 80s. It's like classic. Yeah 00:09:51.769 --> 00:09:55.950 But I also think that something like in the 2000s 00:09:55.950 --> 00:09:59.409 could be classic, like for someone younger. Yeah. 00:09:59.730 --> 00:10:03.549 So I think that it honestly, it's kind of just 00:10:03.549 --> 00:10:07.429 up to person to person would be my opinion on 00:10:07.429 --> 00:10:10.110 there. Yeah. It's funny you say it that way. 00:10:10.169 --> 00:10:13.149 I was playing a song actually from our guest 00:10:13.149 --> 00:10:19.840 today for my kids this week and And I was playing 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:22.120 it. And the first question my kids asked, they're 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.659 like, is this new? It's like, if it's music that 00:10:26.659 --> 00:10:29.440 dad listens to, then it's old music. It's classic 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:33.059 music. So that is an interesting way to kind 00:10:33.059 --> 00:10:35.120 of think through it a little bit. Yeah, I don't 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:38.860 know. I feel like the 80s is usually that line 00:10:38.860 --> 00:10:42.100 for me. Like, if it came out in the 80s or before, 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:44.519 then it's classic. But I'm kind of the old guy 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:48.269 in the room. Um, I can definitely see where like 00:10:48.269 --> 00:10:50.269 a lot of bands I listened to in the 90s. Those 00:10:50.269 --> 00:10:52.690 guys aren't young anymore And a lot of them are 00:10:52.690 --> 00:10:55.750 still hammering stuff out. But um, but I can 00:10:55.750 --> 00:10:58.049 see where I mean their their tours these days 00:10:58.049 --> 00:11:01.509 are like Everybody's old that goes to them. So 00:11:01.509 --> 00:11:04.490 I think that's like there's recently people have 00:11:04.490 --> 00:11:08.210 been like, yeah 2001 was like 25 years ago so 00:11:08.210 --> 00:11:11.370 it's like you think as a kid like my mom would 00:11:11.370 --> 00:11:13.710 like play like Bon Jovi or something. Yeah, it's 00:11:13.710 --> 00:11:16.830 like, oh, this is classic, but it was probably 00:11:16.830 --> 00:11:21.210 10 maybe 15 years old. So I don't know if that's 00:11:21.210 --> 00:11:26.549 like if you're stepping away from people. I don't 00:11:26.549 --> 00:11:28.350 know, because I feel like no one wants to admit 00:11:28.350 --> 00:11:30.889 that like they're getting old. But I also sit 00:11:30.889 --> 00:11:33.549 there sometimes and I think like, yeah, the 2000s 00:11:33.549 --> 00:11:36.090 were like fresh and all and adventurous. But 00:11:36.090 --> 00:11:39.879 I'm also like for like our Our nephew whenever 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:41.940 we talk to him about like there's a time before 00:11:41.940 --> 00:11:45.919 youtube It's like that's he like he cannot fathom 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:48.259 Right a time where there was no youtube where 00:11:48.259 --> 00:11:50.320 it was like you have to watch the show at five 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:52.200 o 'clock And that's the only time you can watch 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.919 it because for him it's like no I can watch this 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:57.480 any time I want and any episode I want right, 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:01.299 you know Yeah, that is fascinating for sure Tivo 00:12:01.299 --> 00:12:04.320 came along and changed the whole game We got 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:08.980 dbrs So Mims asks a follow -up. He said, as a 00:12:08.980 --> 00:12:11.340 follow -up, do you feel the Christian music machine 00:12:11.340 --> 00:12:14.899 has forgotten much of the older music, even worship 00:12:14.899 --> 00:12:18.340 music from a decade ago, even though still fully 00:12:18.340 --> 00:12:22.539 embracing the worship music trend? It's kind 00:12:22.539 --> 00:12:25.679 of a big question to think through. One, have 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.399 we like forgotten the stuff in the artists of 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.450 the past today? Like if we walk up to a random 00:12:31.450 --> 00:12:33.750 person in our churches that listens to Christian 00:12:33.750 --> 00:12:36.730 music. Do they know anything about some of these 00:12:36.730 --> 00:12:39.230 old artists or are they pretty much just stuck 00:12:39.230 --> 00:12:43.549 in whatever worship music exists today? What 00:12:43.549 --> 00:12:46.590 do you think about that? Yeah, because I mean, 00:12:47.129 --> 00:12:52.049 like so pulling up. Wow Hits 2006, so 20 years 00:12:52.049 --> 00:12:54.669 ago, you like you have your Stephen Curtis Chapmans, 00:12:55.250 --> 00:12:59.350 you have your Mercy Me's and all. there's also 00:12:59.350 --> 00:13:00.990 a lot of names on here where i feel like your 00:13:00.990 --> 00:13:03.429 average person doesn't know an audio adrenaline 00:13:03.429 --> 00:13:08.309 or barlow girl um i mean even jars of clay i 00:13:08.309 --> 00:13:10.110 feel like when's the last time you have heard 00:13:10.110 --> 00:13:15.029 them played on um whatever uh super chick like 00:13:15.029 --> 00:13:17.769 there's a lot of um i feel like it's kind of 00:13:17.769 --> 00:13:22.909 this i i think there's a cynical answer then 00:13:22.909 --> 00:13:25.490 there's like the other answer yeah and i think 00:13:25.490 --> 00:13:28.179 cynically it's like if you can't make money, 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.480 why would you promote that? So it's like, you 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:34.539 know, if you have a record label, you're gonna 00:13:34.539 --> 00:13:37.960 push, you know, I don't know, Mercy Me is like, 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.120 man, they were the groundbreaking band. But then 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:42.179 if you own the rights to audio adrenaline, you'd 00:13:42.179 --> 00:13:44.440 be like, yeah, these were actually the guys that 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:47.519 were trailblazing, you know. So I think that 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.059 it comes down to sometimes like, how can you 00:13:50.059 --> 00:13:56.360 make like money and all? But I, I don't know. 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.480 I feel like there's a there's a place to do it 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:01.960 like I think radio you like that's where I where 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.419 where I look at like I think that sometimes there's 00:14:05.419 --> 00:14:07.919 a cynical thing but then I think like radio you 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:09.879 I think they do a really good job because on 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.440 their regular station they have a good mix of 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:15.279 old and new and I mean they've always played 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.539 people like 21 pilots just as much as gable price 00:14:18.539 --> 00:14:21.039 and friends or john rubin and they even have 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:23.559 a station that's just dedicated to throwback 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:26.889 so it's all stuff that's like Don't know maybe 00:14:26.889 --> 00:14:28.809 like ten years or older or whatever But I mean 00:14:28.809 --> 00:14:31.409 like you'll see like a Jones Etta and afters 00:14:31.409 --> 00:14:35.490 and you know, these bands pop up so I feel like 00:14:35.490 --> 00:14:39.389 it's like It has been forgotten, but I think 00:14:39.389 --> 00:14:42.190 that not everyone has forgotten about it. Yeah, 00:14:42.509 --> 00:14:45.070 I definitely think the people I grew up like 00:14:45.070 --> 00:14:50.690 in the church and This was what they're like 00:14:50.690 --> 00:14:52.809 the soundtrack of their young lives definitely 00:14:52.809 --> 00:14:56.879 remember this stuff I wonder how much they go 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:58.980 back. Sometimes I'll look at like streams on 00:14:58.980 --> 00:15:02.460 Spotify or Apple Music. Just to get a sense of 00:15:02.460 --> 00:15:06.460 like, are the artists that like I loved growing 00:15:06.460 --> 00:15:10.919 up like still like still relevant today in the 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:13.460 scheme and like I'll go look up the streaming 00:15:13.460 --> 00:15:16.159 numbers for like a DC talk and I'm just amazed 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.100 at like how little it is compared to some of 00:15:20.100 --> 00:15:22.860 the stuff that's out today with I mean, with 00:15:22.860 --> 00:15:25.120 them being the hugest thing in Christian music 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:29.159 for years, how it seems like some of that is 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:31.940 so forgotten today. I feel like, too, it's like, 00:15:31.980 --> 00:15:36.419 it's all about, like, you have to, like, play 00:15:36.419 --> 00:15:39.860 ball. Yeah. And I think that for some of those 00:15:39.860 --> 00:15:44.200 artists, it's kind of like they... I think good 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:46.159 and bad, there's artists that don't want to change 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:49.480 with the times. And so it's like, you know, we 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.539 talk a lot about how back in the day, all these 00:15:52.539 --> 00:15:54.960 songs are about, like, oh, we're gonna go, like, 00:15:54.980 --> 00:15:57.080 kill the enemy, and we've got, like, the gun 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.220 of God or whatever, you know, like, but there's 00:15:59.220 --> 00:16:01.759 a lot of, like, war imagery. Yeah. But it's like, 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:05.179 nowadays, it's like, oh, maybe that's maybe there's 00:16:05.179 --> 00:16:08.519 a better way to do that. So it's like, even looking 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:10.059 at example like that, there's people that hear 00:16:10.059 --> 00:16:13.519 that may go, oh, that you're watering it down, 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.659 you're making the message weaker. There's other 00:16:15.659 --> 00:16:17.980 people that are like, yeah, we've we found a 00:16:17.980 --> 00:16:20.639 better way to do this. So I think that sometimes 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.480 there's bands that record labels are like, we 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.600 don't want you to be authentic. And then I think 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.120 there's other record labels that sometimes, like 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:32.620 the labels, they're not asking you to be fake. 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:37.320 They're just saying like, hey, don't go on your 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:40.379 platform and make a political statement. It's 00:16:40.379 --> 00:16:42.860 not saying you can't support this candidate. 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.379 It's just saying, hey, that's not gonna help 00:16:45.379 --> 00:16:50.080 anyone. Yeah, I think you're right. Then the 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:51.899 whole play ball thing, because the artists that 00:16:51.899 --> 00:16:55.139 you have seen continue to have success. One, 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:57.659 they're still out there doing things. Yeah. But 00:16:57.659 --> 00:16:59.399 they've just kind of learned to fit the mold 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.139 of like where the industry is today to write 00:17:03.139 --> 00:17:06.819 songs that can be played on K love, you know, 00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:09.960 and let that be kind of what you do. And so I 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:12.200 feel like it does require putting yourself in 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.319 a box a little bit to continue to find success 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.210 and not be forgotten. Yeah. But yeah, I don't 00:17:19.210 --> 00:17:20.990 know how all this is going to play out. What 00:17:20.990 --> 00:17:23.670 I do love is seeing a lot of those artists from 00:17:23.670 --> 00:17:26.349 back in the day come back together, start making 00:17:26.349 --> 00:17:31.210 new music. Yeah. And so there is a move to kind 00:17:31.210 --> 00:17:34.630 of recreate what once existed. And but we're 00:17:34.630 --> 00:17:36.329 going to have to, like, find the space for it 00:17:36.329 --> 00:17:38.809 and figure out, like, where is the stuff getting 00:17:38.809 --> 00:17:40.789 played and who's going to be listening to it? 00:17:40.789 --> 00:17:43.630 Yeah. And I think you only have a finite time, 00:17:43.690 --> 00:17:46.049 too. So it's kind of like if all you do is play 00:17:46.049 --> 00:17:48.920 like the old stuff. I don't know that. That's 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.759 why, like I said, I think that it goes like there's 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:55.460 there's good and bad, like it both makes sense 00:17:55.460 --> 00:17:58.619 that you need to innovate. And I mean, a great 00:17:58.619 --> 00:18:00.799 example is working like at a senior center. I 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:02.460 tell people all the time that I feel like my 00:18:02.460 --> 00:18:06.319 job is how can I take like proven ways of doing 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:10.900 stuff, but also infuse like new like new new 00:18:10.900 --> 00:18:13.319 school ideas to that. Yeah, because it's like 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:15.200 you don't want all these people to be left behind 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:18.279 But also like you can't operate a business or 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:21.039 social media like you did 20 years ago. Yeah. 00:18:21.259 --> 00:18:25.160 Yeah, I hear that I hear that good question chris. 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.480 Um, we also have a comment coming from friend 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:31.099 of the show andrew Um, he comes at us with this 00:18:31.099 --> 00:18:36.460 comment. Bojangles now has iced coffee So for 00:18:36.460 --> 00:18:39.039 all of our everybody who follows the show just 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.619 for the latest bojangles news Um, there you go. 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:46.220 Don't they have like shrimp too? I know it's 00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:48.900 the bow jangler. It's there. What is the bow 00:18:48.900 --> 00:18:53.079 jangler? Fish? They have a fish sandwich? Joel, 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:57.519 what would it take for us to do like a live podcast 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.140 from a bow jangles or the parking lot of a bow 00:19:00.140 --> 00:19:03.299 jangles? I'm in. What would our listeners have 00:19:03.299 --> 00:19:05.759 to do? You know what's interesting about this? 00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:08.319 If you go to a bow jangles, at least the ones 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:11.180 that I frequent, Today, they're playing Christian 00:19:11.180 --> 00:19:14.880 music over the radio inside the store. Um, so 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:17.380 I feel like there's a fit there. All I'm saying 00:19:17.380 --> 00:19:19.880 is that we need to have, they also have the Bose 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:23.359 house salad. We just need to find when Andrew's 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:27.480 free, we need to fly Zach Patton over to South 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.099 Carolina. We just sit down and yeah, all the 00:19:30.099 --> 00:19:32.059 money that we make from this podcast, we'll just 00:19:32.059 --> 00:19:35.200 put into playing tickets and they go right there. 00:19:35.420 --> 00:19:38.240 Send us your donations. We'll go to Bojangles. 00:19:39.129 --> 00:19:41.529 Joel will personally order the Bojangler and 00:19:41.529 --> 00:19:44.410 eat it, too. Well, sure. If Bojangles chooses 00:19:44.410 --> 00:19:47.289 to sponsor our podcast, then then we can make 00:19:47.289 --> 00:19:50.549 something like that happen. So we just need Bojangles 00:19:50.549 --> 00:19:52.549 and energy drink sponsor and we'll be good to 00:19:52.549 --> 00:19:57.170 go. I'll just stick with Bojangles. Well, Andrew, 00:19:57.170 --> 00:19:59.769 thanks for keeping us up to date on all of the 00:19:59.769 --> 00:20:02.789 Bojangles happenings. So this is the place for 00:20:02.789 --> 00:20:04.490 you if you're into Christian music and you're 00:20:04.490 --> 00:20:07.089 into fried chicken. You found the right spot. 00:20:08.059 --> 00:20:11.500 If you have a question or a comment, you can 00:20:11.500 --> 00:20:15.700 reach out to us at heyareulisteningpod at gmail 00:20:15.700 --> 00:20:19.579 .com and we would love to chat about it on the 00:20:19.579 --> 00:20:37.140 podcast. All right, let's play a game. Alright 00:20:37.140 --> 00:20:40.460 Joel, so this week we've got a new game, and 00:20:40.460 --> 00:20:43.380 it comes with good news. I love good news. We've 00:20:43.380 --> 00:20:46.019 got five bands that are going to be volunteering 00:20:46.019 --> 00:20:51.099 at our church. Oh, sweet! So I've got the five 00:20:51.099 --> 00:20:53.779 areas they want to be in, and you've got to match 00:20:53.779 --> 00:20:56.319 where they're going to be at. So I'm going to 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:59.480 give you the five areas. The problem is that 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:02.000 you don't know the five bands I'm going to ask. 00:21:02.919 --> 00:21:05.779 So, when I give you the first band, you're like, 00:21:05.779 --> 00:21:09.980 for instance, like, Toby Mac's not on here, but 00:21:09.980 --> 00:21:13.799 if I was to say Toby Mac, and you say Kids Ministry, 00:21:14.500 --> 00:21:16.839 you can't use them again. So, the next band could 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:19.519 be Forrest Frank, and you're like, oh, man. So, 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:22.099 you don't know who's coming next, okay? I'll 00:21:22.099 --> 00:21:25.279 give you your five areas, our safety team, kids 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:29.599 ministry, greeting team, youth group, and tech 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:34.039 team. Okay. All right, so their first band that's 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:36.160 gonna show up and volunteer are good friends 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:44.519 with colony house I'm gonna go tech team tech 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.940 team. Okay You just think they're gonna know 00:21:47.940 --> 00:21:51.059 their way around the computers and what I'm creative 00:21:51.059 --> 00:21:54.180 guys Okay, the pearly end of technology. All 00:21:54.180 --> 00:21:57.339 right. Our next person is I'm not sure how familiar 00:21:57.339 --> 00:22:00.529 you are with her but Tyrion She was a member 00:22:00.529 --> 00:22:04.369 of Toby Max's Diver City band. She was a vocalist 00:22:04.369 --> 00:22:07.630 there and now she's doing her solo stuff on Gotoe 00:22:07.630 --> 00:22:11.190 Records. Okay, remind me the other areas I have 00:22:11.190 --> 00:22:14.309 left. You've got safety team, kids ministry, 00:22:14.890 --> 00:22:19.430 greeting team, and youth group. Okay. If it helps, 00:22:19.529 --> 00:22:22.309 I think Tyrion, I think she's like 20 or maybe 00:22:22.309 --> 00:22:28.630 I would say or like she's younger than 30. Safety? 00:22:29.069 --> 00:22:31.710 Wait, I'm not answering the question I'm thinking 00:22:31.710 --> 00:22:39.309 in. Safety, kids, youth, and... What was the 00:22:39.309 --> 00:22:42.970 other one? She's 29 years old. Safety, kids, 00:22:43.109 --> 00:22:54.130 youth, and... Greeting. Okay. Let's put her in 00:22:54.130 --> 00:22:58.069 youth group. Youth group? Okay. 29 is a good 00:22:58.069 --> 00:23:03.400 age. All right, Gable Price and friends. Uh, 00:23:04.099 --> 00:23:06.960 greeting team. I was thinking, I feel like they're 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:09.660 perfect for that. Yeah. All right. So you got 00:23:09.660 --> 00:23:12.339 safety team and kids ministry left. Okay. Okay. 00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:15.799 Got it. Strings and heart strings and heart. 00:23:17.099 --> 00:23:21.400 Uh, kids, kids ministry. Yep. It's going to be 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.420 really interesting to see who's doing safety 00:23:23.420 --> 00:23:26.140 team. All right. Yeah. So we have one final person 00:23:26.140 --> 00:23:29.450 and this is the safety team. Okay. Okay. grace 00:23:29.450 --> 00:23:36.789 graber Awesome grace. She seems tough. I think 00:23:36.789 --> 00:23:39.349 she can handle it I think that's good. So yeah, 00:23:39.349 --> 00:23:43.069 we got safety team grace graber, uh kids ministry 00:23:43.069 --> 00:23:46.130 strings and heart greeting team gable price and 00:23:46.130 --> 00:23:49.670 friends Youth group tarion and rounding it out 00:23:49.670 --> 00:23:52.750 is colony house Doing the tech team. All right. 00:23:52.750 --> 00:23:55.250 Yeah, i'm I feel pretty good about all this. 00:23:55.250 --> 00:23:56.849 I think it was pretty good. It's gonna be an 00:23:56.849 --> 00:23:59.029 interesting A church service. Do you know what 00:23:59.029 --> 00:24:01.990 Sunday that is yet? Hopefully it's Easter because 00:24:01.990 --> 00:24:07.630 we need people. So come on down to Somerville, 00:24:07.789 --> 00:24:09.809 South Carolina on Easter if you want to meet 00:24:09.809 --> 00:24:13.950 your heroes. How bad would you feel if one person 00:24:13.950 --> 00:24:16.630 did show up and they honestly thought that their 00:24:16.630 --> 00:24:18.230 favorite artist was going to be here? I would 00:24:18.230 --> 00:24:23.119 welcome them with open arms. Maybe, maybe Jared 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:24.839 Byers will be here that day and we could be like, 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:29.279 there's a guy who's in a band. Gosh, I feel like 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:32.099 every time I look up Jared, I find out like five 00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:35.839 more bands he was in. Yeah. So we got to have 00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:38.119 Jared back on. Asking me a game one day is just 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:40.519 was Jared Byers in this band? That's a really 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:44.799 good one. All right. Well, let's transition over 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:54.289 and meet our guests for today. Well today is 00:24:54.289 --> 00:24:57.750 a really exciting day for us because we do have 00:24:57.750 --> 00:25:00.650 a special guest with us You probably know him 00:25:00.650 --> 00:25:03.289 as the singer bass player of one of your favorite 00:25:03.289 --> 00:25:07.069 bands idle threat Join us today and welcoming 00:25:07.069 --> 00:25:10.769 Zeke McKinney Zeke. How's it going, man? It's 00:25:10.769 --> 00:25:12.869 going great, man. I'm super thankful to be here 00:25:12.869 --> 00:25:14.950 with you guys. Yeah, we are thrilled to have 00:25:14.950 --> 00:25:21.089 you on I love idle threat so much And so this 00:25:21.089 --> 00:25:23.789 is really fun for me to be able to have you jump 00:25:23.789 --> 00:25:26.950 on here with us and talk, just talk through some 00:25:26.950 --> 00:25:28.589 of the questions that have been going on in my 00:25:28.589 --> 00:25:30.990 head. But it's fun just to get to spend some 00:25:30.990 --> 00:25:33.609 time with you, too. So, yeah, blessing to be 00:25:33.609 --> 00:25:35.829 here. Yeah. Well, we'll just kind of jump straight 00:25:35.829 --> 00:25:40.910 into it. Just kind of going back in your life. 00:25:41.789 --> 00:25:45.440 How how did music? Become like something that 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.680 you were passionate about what got you into music 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:51.000 to begin with? Who are some of your favorite 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.980 artists growing up just kind of all that background 00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:56.799 stuff musically? Yeah, I well, I feel like I 00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:58.220 could go a million different directions with 00:25:58.220 --> 00:26:03.319 this So my dad has been a musician my whole life 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:08.759 and So it was very much passed down to me. It 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.450 wasn't something that I just like went out and 00:26:11.450 --> 00:26:15.269 discovered on my own every every car ride. I 00:26:15.269 --> 00:26:19.369 was in the car with my dad. I would get a history 00:26:19.369 --> 00:26:22.009 lesson on every song that came on on the radio 00:26:22.009 --> 00:26:25.470 and like, you know, this is on, you know, when 00:26:25.470 --> 00:26:28.670 they recorded this and all that stuff like back 00:26:28.670 --> 00:26:31.970 when I didn't care and I was six years old and 00:26:31.970 --> 00:26:39.359 brought up in a very musical house. And so. Music 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.200 has always been an important part of my life, 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.779 even before I personally started pursuing it. 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:50.900 Before music, so I have a twin brother, identical 00:26:50.900 --> 00:26:53.319 twin brother who looks just like me. My name 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:55.839 is Zeke, his name is Zion. We both play music. 00:26:56.140 --> 00:27:00.220 But before we discovered music, basketball was 00:27:00.220 --> 00:27:03.150 like everything for us. I wanted to be Steve 00:27:03.150 --> 00:27:05.890 Nash. I wanted to be in the NBA. Like we played 00:27:05.890 --> 00:27:10.390 school ball, rec ball, church ball, AAU. We did 00:27:10.390 --> 00:27:15.069 everything. As I got older though, it just became 00:27:15.069 --> 00:27:17.490 clear that wasn't in the cards for me. God didn't 00:27:17.490 --> 00:27:21.490 make me to be in the NBA. And it was right around 00:27:21.490 --> 00:27:26.230 that time I really just started to like fall 00:27:26.230 --> 00:27:30.630 in love with music for me. And I picked up the 00:27:30.630 --> 00:27:36.599 bass. I started playing bass, I started singing, 00:27:37.579 --> 00:27:40.099 and pretty soon I put up guitar because I wanted 00:27:40.099 --> 00:27:43.720 to start songwriting. But really what drove my 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.720 love for music was my dad. And then when I was 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:49.119 13, when I started pursuing music for myself, 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:53.980 that's when I found all of this alternative music. 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.700 It just increased my love for music. So that's 00:27:58.700 --> 00:28:01.390 kind of like a really short summary. Yeah, who 00:28:01.390 --> 00:28:03.690 were some of those like first artists that really 00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:08.829 got you excited? So I guess besides the ones 00:28:08.829 --> 00:28:13.369 that I grew up with was actually it's actually 00:28:13.369 --> 00:28:15.650 kind of funny. So my dad's been a musician my 00:28:15.650 --> 00:28:18.569 whole life, but he also existed in like the Christian 00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:22.690 music side of things. Yeah. That's actually why 00:28:22.690 --> 00:28:24.990 my family ever moved to Nashville. I was born 00:28:24.990 --> 00:28:28.750 in Evansville, Indiana. My dad's band got a record 00:28:28.750 --> 00:28:34.210 deal. when I was six years old. And they signed 00:28:34.210 --> 00:28:37.730 with an old record label called Pamplin Records. 00:28:38.289 --> 00:28:42.529 And they were down here in Nashville. And because 00:28:42.529 --> 00:28:44.549 they signed that record deal, we moved down here. 00:28:45.490 --> 00:28:48.470 And so at that time, I mean, gosh, I was just 00:28:48.470 --> 00:28:51.170 full of like, our house was full of like all 00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:54.089 kinds of music, but also like alternative Christian 00:28:54.089 --> 00:28:57.960 music. and me and my brother, when we were six 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:01.240 years old, I don't know why, but we attached 00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:08.000 to the OC Supertones. We loved the OC Supertones 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.940 when I was little. Who would have thought ska 00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:15.160 music for a six year old? I'm a huge Five Iron 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.259 Frenzy fan, so I get it. Really? As I got older, 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.420 I kind of got out of ska. But then it was when 00:29:22.420 --> 00:29:25.140 I was 13, I started finding a bunch of bands 00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:29.059 on my own. And honestly, I'd say like two of 00:29:29.059 --> 00:29:33.519 the biggest ones was probably Reliant K. And 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.480 Mayday Parade was a huge band, I believe. That 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:41.559 album, A Lesson in Romantics, was enlightening 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.180 for me. Just genre -wise, I was like, I've never 00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:48.640 heard anything like this. That's awesome. I've 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.920 got to know like what your dad's band was. Yeah, 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:58.200 he was in a band called Spin Around. They put 00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:00.779 out a couple of records. They're kind of like 00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:06.420 Christian alternative funk. OK, kind of funk 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:10.220 pop alternative. Yeah, it was a. That's pretty 00:30:10.220 --> 00:30:15.319 good songs. I'm a little biased, but yeah, yeah, 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.220 that was the band. I'm going to have to find 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:19.220 that and go check it out for sure. It might be 00:30:19.220 --> 00:30:23.900 pretty tough to find. So so, yeah, you're you're 00:30:23.900 --> 00:30:26.460 finding these artists that you really like. And 00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:28.119 you said like you picked up the bass and all. 00:30:28.740 --> 00:30:32.240 So how does that turn into you playing music? 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:34.579 Like, do you remember like the first time you 00:30:34.579 --> 00:30:36.740 went to sit down to like write a song or the 00:30:36.740 --> 00:30:39.720 first time you got up on stage to like perform 00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:43.180 like your song or cover a song or whatever? Yes, 00:30:43.180 --> 00:30:46.880 I do. At least the first time playing live i 00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.539 remember that me and my brother both took piano 00:30:49.539 --> 00:30:53.839 lessons growing up um for some reason it really 00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:58.299 stuck with him and it didn't stick with me and 00:30:58.299 --> 00:31:03.079 i looking back now i'm 31 now i i like regret 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.359 that i'm like dang dude i play piano now like 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.880 um he still does he's a great piano player but 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:11.920 for some reason it just didn't stick with me 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.680 so When I was in eighth grade, I was about 13 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:19.619 years old. My brother and some friends wanted 00:31:19.619 --> 00:31:22.059 to start a band for the talent show, the eighth 00:31:22.059 --> 00:31:26.359 grade. It's awesome. And one of our friends, 00:31:26.619 --> 00:31:29.420 Brian, he played drums and another one of our 00:31:29.420 --> 00:31:32.059 friends, Jordan, he played guitar. And so they 00:31:32.059 --> 00:31:34.579 were all together and they were like, man, like, 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:37.380 OK, like Zion is like, I play keys and I guess 00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:40.099 I can sing. Jordan's like, I play guitar. Brian's 00:31:40.099 --> 00:31:43.930 like, I play drums. and who's going to play bass? 00:31:44.349 --> 00:31:49.569 And Zion goes, I have a brother. And so I, of 00:31:49.569 --> 00:31:52.230 course, was like, yes, I want to do this. And 00:31:52.230 --> 00:31:57.049 I just really love playing bass. I just fell 00:31:57.049 --> 00:31:59.970 in love with it. I remember we practiced our 00:31:59.970 --> 00:32:03.450 butts off and we played How to Save a Life by 00:32:03.450 --> 00:32:07.509 The Fred. Nice. At our eighth grade talent show. 00:32:07.630 --> 00:32:11.430 And we won. I just remember that being like a 00:32:11.430 --> 00:32:15.650 really like pivotal moment. I'm playing live 00:32:15.650 --> 00:32:21.049 in front of like all my friends. And it is just 00:32:21.049 --> 00:32:24.269 like a cool moment where it was like, wow, this 00:32:24.269 --> 00:32:28.150 is cool. You know, I want to keep doing this. 00:32:28.369 --> 00:32:31.470 So I really love that. That's awesome. So how 00:32:31.470 --> 00:32:33.450 do you move from that eighth grade talent show 00:32:33.450 --> 00:32:38.119 band into starting Idol Threat? Yeah, what does 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:42.359 that process look like? Yeah, that's a good question. 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:48.599 Well, there was a lot of years, not a lot of 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:50.920 years, but just a couple of years from like 13 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.599 to 16 or really, really hard years in my life. 00:32:56.380 --> 00:33:00.819 But I ended up. Gosh, so much happened. I was 00:33:00.819 --> 00:33:06.039 13. I gave my life to Jesus when I was 13. I 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:09.599 discovered my love for music when I was 13 and 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:13.900 my parents got divorced when I was 13. That was 00:33:13.900 --> 00:33:16.059 really, it was really hard. It was really ugly 00:33:16.059 --> 00:33:22.559 divorce. And I think that only like, like grew 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.799 both of those things, both of the other things 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:29.019 of like wanting Christ, wanting like the security 00:33:29.019 --> 00:33:31.519 and the peace he was offering me outside of my 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.069 family. But then also like, would get lost in 00:33:35.069 --> 00:33:38.289 this world of alternative music, you know, and 00:33:38.289 --> 00:33:43.049 it safe place to go where That this music understood 00:33:43.049 --> 00:33:45.890 all of these crappy feelings that I had, you 00:33:45.890 --> 00:33:49.569 know so for a couple years like I just started 00:33:49.569 --> 00:33:54.529 really Like getting better music started discovering 00:33:54.529 --> 00:33:56.750 more music more bands and when I was in high 00:33:56.750 --> 00:34:02.430 school I went to I went to public school for 00:34:02.430 --> 00:34:05.490 one year and then finished out high school at 00:34:05.490 --> 00:34:08.769 like a private Christian school. It's called 00:34:08.769 --> 00:34:14.250 Izzo Harding and Antioch and Nashville. And there's 00:34:14.250 --> 00:34:17.230 pretty much only one other guy that I knew of 00:34:17.230 --> 00:34:19.510 in that school who liked the same music that 00:34:19.510 --> 00:34:24.409 I did. And that is JJ. That is our drummer. So 00:34:24.409 --> 00:34:27.550 me and JJ went to high school together and we 00:34:27.550 --> 00:34:30.289 discovered that we liked the same music. He started 00:34:30.289 --> 00:34:33.230 introducing me to some other stuff, much heavier 00:34:33.230 --> 00:34:36.969 than May Day Parade and we're like, we just like, 00:34:37.889 --> 00:34:39.949 we just always in high school, we were always 00:34:39.949 --> 00:34:43.090 like talking about the music that we liked and 00:34:43.090 --> 00:34:46.730 we were like, man, one day, one day we're gonna 00:34:46.730 --> 00:34:51.840 do this ourselves. So it kind of started with 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.300 me and JJ's friendship, but it didn't really 00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:59.360 become like real until Ernie joined the picture 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.780 and Ernie plays guitar and does the screaming 00:35:01.780 --> 00:35:05.559 vocals. Yeah. Throughout high school, we had 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.059 tried to invite friends in to like start like 00:35:08.059 --> 00:35:11.260 a group, but none of them like really like wanted 00:35:11.260 --> 00:35:14.380 it as bad as we did or were as committed or maybe 00:35:14.380 --> 00:35:16.659 weren't as good. And it just didn't work out. 00:35:17.630 --> 00:35:21.349 But then, so this is like the last piece that 00:35:21.349 --> 00:35:24.449 really made Idle Threat begin was Ernie. I went 00:35:24.449 --> 00:35:30.090 to church with Ernie. I noticed that Ernie, he 00:35:30.090 --> 00:35:32.090 was a year older than me, so I wasn't super close 00:35:32.090 --> 00:35:34.670 with him. I knew of him, but he had tattoos and 00:35:34.670 --> 00:35:39.769 gauges. And so I profiled him. I was like, I 00:35:39.769 --> 00:35:43.110 do. And there would be times where we'd be we'd 00:35:43.110 --> 00:35:45.849 be playing in the worship band and during rehearsal. 00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.619 he'd start playing like a geodose riff or something 00:35:48.619 --> 00:35:51.840 and i was like okay all right that's the guy 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:57.659 so um i asked him to come jam with us sometime 00:35:57.659 --> 00:36:00.780 and it just it just clicked and we were like 00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:03.440 let's do this let's do like and we all wanted 00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:07.119 it and that's really when idle threat was was 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.199 i think yeah so you guys have a pretty diverse 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.900 sound um you know you spoke a little bit about 00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:15.559 it about it but um what are the influences that 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:21.300 drive that dude um so i definitely like the lightest 00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:25.019 guy in the band like i like like emo and pop 00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:32.099 punk and stuff like that um jj um he kind of 00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:34.500 got me into some heavier music he was really 00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:36.699 into metalcore at the time so that's when he 00:36:36.699 --> 00:36:39.840 introduced me to like gosh the dead worst proud 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.949 uh august for today. Like I just got into a bunch 00:36:42.949 --> 00:36:48.510 of those bands, Christcore bands. And Ernie, 00:36:49.329 --> 00:36:52.230 Ernie was also into some heavier stuff. He was 00:36:52.230 --> 00:36:56.469 really into like Norma Jean, Maylene in the Sons 00:36:56.469 --> 00:37:01.449 of Disaster. Gosh, he also loves Manchester Orchestra. 00:37:02.389 --> 00:37:05.289 So that's kind of on the indie alternative side 00:37:05.289 --> 00:37:08.829 of that. So we're all just kind of eclectic. 00:37:09.329 --> 00:37:13.449 But I think I've always driven like the the really 00:37:13.449 --> 00:37:16.389 melodic side of it, like wanting to sing and 00:37:16.389 --> 00:37:19.550 wanting to not not. I'm definitely not not against 00:37:19.550 --> 00:37:22.610 any heavier aspects, but I feel like it's really 00:37:22.610 --> 00:37:26.769 born out of us being eclectic and then clashing 00:37:26.769 --> 00:37:31.010 together and then just working it out. Yeah, 00:37:31.090 --> 00:37:33.889 but that's where it comes from, for sure. I feel 00:37:33.889 --> 00:37:36.050 like that's part of what I've been wondering, 00:37:36.130 --> 00:37:39.789 too, is because you have both of these elements 00:37:39.789 --> 00:37:43.260 that Um, I, so I can play like an idol threat 00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:48.440 song to my kids or, um, or even to somebody like 00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:51.960 at our church and, um, play something like Simon 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.960 and they're like, Oh man, this is a great song. 00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:57.900 And then I'm like, I'll play something else off 00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:02.260 the record. And it's like, Oh, same band. Um, 00:38:02.820 --> 00:38:06.650 and, um, but like, You guys, the blend of those 00:38:06.650 --> 00:38:09.829 things like work together so well and what you're 00:38:09.829 --> 00:38:11.769 able to do. And that's part of what I was wondering 00:38:11.769 --> 00:38:15.469 is like, yeah, how what how is the tension like 00:38:15.469 --> 00:38:18.489 when it comes to putting these songs together? 00:38:18.949 --> 00:38:22.070 So it's cool to kind of hear some of that. I 00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:24.769 like the idea of like fighting it out. Yeah, 00:38:24.769 --> 00:38:26.949 I was going to say sometimes it really locks 00:38:26.949 --> 00:38:29.269 in and we're like, yeah, that's great. Other 00:38:29.269 --> 00:38:32.050 times, tension is the best word to describe it. 00:38:32.070 --> 00:38:35.460 Yeah. Just like arguing, just like, no, that's 00:38:35.460 --> 00:38:39.780 dumb. It doesn't fit. And then we just keep working 00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:42.579 until we find something that we're all excited 00:38:42.579 --> 00:38:46.139 about. That is what makes the sound of Idle Threat. 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:49.940 Yeah, I love that. And I think that's where all 00:38:49.940 --> 00:38:54.199 the best things come out of is tension. Because 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.659 I think none of us want, if you guys were... 00:38:58.510 --> 00:39:01.349 all the way this way, then you'd be missing so 00:39:01.349 --> 00:39:04.389 much and same both ways. Like I feel like that 00:39:04.389 --> 00:39:07.130 about life and just life in general so often 00:39:07.130 --> 00:39:11.650 that we never like to live in tension. Like tension 00:39:11.650 --> 00:39:14.670 is uncomfortable for us, but I feel like a lot 00:39:14.670 --> 00:39:18.210 of like even following Jesus, what he calls us 00:39:18.210 --> 00:39:20.369 to is to pretty much live a life of tension all 00:39:20.369 --> 00:39:23.590 the time. Like how do I live a life of grace 00:39:23.590 --> 00:39:27.289 and truth at the same time? Um, it's it's a constant 00:39:27.289 --> 00:39:30.010 fight for tension. Um, and that exists in our 00:39:30.010 --> 00:39:33.269 relationships with people too. And so I, I, um, 00:39:33.269 --> 00:39:35.349 I think it's fun to see it like in practice in 00:39:35.349 --> 00:39:38.130 your music. I think it's cool. Yeah. I once, 00:39:38.489 --> 00:39:41.550 um, I once heard a really wise man say he was 00:39:41.550 --> 00:39:44.750 a brilliant musician. He used to be like, like 00:39:44.750 --> 00:39:47.769 MD at our church. He wasn't like the worship 00:39:47.769 --> 00:39:49.889 leader, but he'd be like the music director and 00:39:49.889 --> 00:39:52.230 he'd be the guy that like in our ears, he'd be 00:39:52.230 --> 00:39:54.030 like saying like, go to the five quarter, the 00:39:54.030 --> 00:39:57.420 six quarter, whatever. But he said, music is 00:39:57.420 --> 00:40:02.559 all about tension and release. And the more time 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:05.360 I think about that, the more I realize that he's 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:09.099 right. It's true. Like those moments, what makes 00:40:09.099 --> 00:40:13.480 the moment of release in a song so good is the 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.679 tension that built up to it. And then I just 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.760 think about how applicable that is to life and 00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:22.800 the way that God made it. Like no one, none of 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.099 us would know the joy. or how sweet release feels 00:40:27.099 --> 00:40:29.920 if you hadn't felt the tension that preceded 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.420 it. Otherwise it wouldn't feel good. It would 00:40:33.420 --> 00:40:39.559 just be, that's it. Release is so beautiful because 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.539 of the tension that precedes it. And it's the 00:40:43.539 --> 00:40:45.840 same with the way that got me in life. Yeah, 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:49.059 it reminds me of one of your new tracks, Evermind, 00:40:49.420 --> 00:40:53.079 that I think there is this a little bit chaotic 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:57.409 build intention -filled build up to this moment 00:40:57.409 --> 00:41:01.650 and then release hits in a big way. I feel like 00:41:01.650 --> 00:41:04.389 that's such a good example of that. I love that 00:41:04.389 --> 00:41:10.449 song. How did you guys then get from there? How 00:41:10.449 --> 00:41:12.809 did Tooth and Nail come into the picture? I'm 00:41:12.809 --> 00:41:16.610 always fascinated, especially these days, to 00:41:16.610 --> 00:41:20.150 see new artists. coming on Tooth and Nour. I've 00:41:20.150 --> 00:41:22.750 been listening to the Nour albums for years and 00:41:22.750 --> 00:41:25.449 years and years. And I feel like a few years 00:41:25.449 --> 00:41:29.050 ago, I was like, what's new? I don't know. Yeah. 00:41:29.570 --> 00:41:32.030 And that's part of what led me to you guys. But 00:41:32.030 --> 00:41:35.989 how did that whole thing happen? How did to happen? 00:41:36.909 --> 00:41:42.510 Yeah, it's kind of a crazy story there. So we 00:41:42.510 --> 00:41:46.650 know some guys in Nashville. who are also on 00:41:46.650 --> 00:41:48.570 Tooth and Nail, they're in a band called Loyals. 00:41:49.909 --> 00:41:54.349 And we know one of the guys in the band and we 00:41:54.349 --> 00:41:58.750 reached out to him because basically we had done 00:41:58.750 --> 00:42:04.309 our first EP, Grown Tired. A little secret, we 00:42:04.309 --> 00:42:06.710 did an EP before Grown Tired, but we deleted 00:42:06.710 --> 00:42:10.809 it. They always tell you to put the first book 00:42:10.809 --> 00:42:16.780 in a drawer and never release it. Yeah, so we 00:42:16.780 --> 00:42:23.519 did our first EP and then the second one, which 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.900 is Nothing is Broken for Good, we were definitely 00:42:26.900 --> 00:42:31.019 feeling, I guess, a lot of like good tension 00:42:31.019 --> 00:42:33.239 growing up in the band or like we feel ready 00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:37.559 for the next step. We really feel like this is 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.199 a really great batch of songs. We believe in 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.300 it and we want to pitch it. We just want to shoot 00:42:43.300 --> 00:42:47.480 it out there and to see what we can do. And so 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:53.280 we pitched it to a few labels that we were interested 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.000 in. And of course, Tooth and Nail was one of 00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:57.760 those. We all grew up with the Tooth and Nail 00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.380 bands. And at Tooth and Nail, we had a connection 00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:06.699 through our friend. But basically through him, 00:43:08.019 --> 00:43:12.130 it was kind of like a cold email. you sent them 00:43:12.130 --> 00:43:16.670 the EP and uh we're like and basically within 00:43:16.670 --> 00:43:20.869 within 24 hours they replied and they were like 00:43:20.869 --> 00:43:24.090 hey like let's talk and so we just started talking 00:43:24.090 --> 00:43:28.449 um and the lord led it to where it is today which 00:43:28.449 --> 00:43:32.409 is kind of crazy it's really cool to like i mean 00:43:32.409 --> 00:43:35.449 all the bands that you named earlier that you 00:43:35.449 --> 00:43:38.789 know your bandmates are into and stuff um are 00:43:38.789 --> 00:43:41.539 bands that come from that like as a heritage 00:43:41.539 --> 00:43:45.820 and so even seeing you guys at furnace fest a 00:43:45.820 --> 00:43:48.619 year and a half ago it's cool because it's almost 00:43:48.619 --> 00:43:51.679 like we're here with so many of these bands that 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.880 impacted and influenced us and now like we're 00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:56.119 getting to play the stage too i can't imagine 00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:59.460 what kind of feeling that is it was it was awesome 00:43:59.460 --> 00:44:01.460 that was one of our favorite shows we've ever 00:44:01.460 --> 00:44:04.099 got that was like one of the peak moments of 00:44:04.099 --> 00:44:07.780 idle threat for sure and just to be like At that 00:44:07.780 --> 00:44:11.280 point, we were almost almost 10 years in and 00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.719 still be having like peak moments. It was just 00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.920 a blessing. And just we were so thankful and 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.639 we had a blast. That's awesome. I'm curious. 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:23.900 You guys went to Furnace Fest on your own volition. 00:44:23.900 --> 00:44:28.019 I did. Brandon hasn't been. But who are you there 00:44:28.019 --> 00:44:30.269 to see? It must have been more than one. Artist. 00:44:30.889 --> 00:44:35.389 Yeah, no, a lot of a lot of I went twice in the 00:44:35.389 --> 00:44:38.130 in the reboot, went to the first one and then 00:44:38.130 --> 00:44:41.409 to not the last one, but the one before. And 00:44:41.409 --> 00:44:45.030 so, yeah, I mean, a lot of bands that I grew 00:44:45.030 --> 00:44:49.329 up loving, like Five Iron Frenzy, the Juliana 00:44:49.329 --> 00:44:53.630 Theory. I'm trying to think who I went to see 00:44:53.630 --> 00:44:56.610 even that time he was there. May was there the 00:44:56.610 --> 00:45:05.300 time before. Stretch Armstrong. Yeah. Yeah. Bands 00:45:05.300 --> 00:45:10.400 like that. That's cool. I miss like the highlight 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.800 for my when I was in the band that I was in, 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:15.860 our highlight was getting to play cornerstone 00:45:15.860 --> 00:45:19.280 is my my next to last show with my band before 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:24.239 I left to go to seminary. And and and so it was 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:26.750 fun being at Furnace Fest because it It kind 00:45:26.750 --> 00:45:28.949 of felt like stepping back in time a little bit 00:45:28.949 --> 00:45:31.190 to something that used to exist. That's like 00:45:31.190 --> 00:45:34.469 hard to create, even though it's a little different 00:45:34.469 --> 00:45:39.150 now. But but yeah, it was cool. Yeah, Cornerstone 00:45:39.150 --> 00:45:41.289 would be really cool to play. I wish it was still 00:45:41.289 --> 00:45:44.789 around. I know me too. Dad played it in his old 00:45:44.789 --> 00:45:50.130 band. And so I've been as a little kid. But I 00:45:50.130 --> 00:45:53.570 always I always see those those old sets from 00:45:53.570 --> 00:45:57.059 some of my favorite bands. like tint and I'm 00:45:57.059 --> 00:46:00.739 like oh man you guys got to play um you've played 00:46:00.739 --> 00:46:02.940 audio feed though and I kind of feel like in 00:46:02.940 --> 00:46:06.280 some ways audio feed is like the maybe the new 00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.360 cornerstone it just needs some more years so 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:11.920 yeah yeah it kind of like rose up out of the 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:17.719 ashes yeah Keep waiting. There was that one the 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:19.860 one of those years a few years back that they 00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:22.460 were like star flyer 59 is playing audio feed 00:46:22.460 --> 00:46:24.940 and we were all like what we've got to go and 00:46:24.940 --> 00:46:33.239 then It didn't happen Yeah That would have been 00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:39.139 incredible So you guys you made a big splash 00:46:39.139 --> 00:46:42.920 with your album blurred visions Um, can you tell 00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:47.000 us a little bit about making that album? Yeah, 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:53.059 uh What do you want to know? I can type it Yeah, 00:46:53.500 --> 00:46:56.639 just like um, obviously you you get signed to 00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.840 teeth and now um, you have this ep like what 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.619 kind of led you guys in what? You're thinking. 00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:04.480 All right. This is our first tooth and now release 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.420 like what what what was the pressure that you're 00:47:07.420 --> 00:47:11.019 feeling and like Yeah, how do you feel about 00:47:11.019 --> 00:47:14.340 that one? It wasn't like we didn't feel a lot 00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:19.780 of pressure from like tooth and nail but we did 00:47:19.780 --> 00:47:24.739 we went in very aware that like debut album is 00:47:24.739 --> 00:47:28.300 a trigger that you only get to pull once. So 00:47:28.300 --> 00:47:31.239 we went in kind of like that was our pressure 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:33.619 but like this is our debut full length like we 00:47:33.619 --> 00:47:37.280 haven't done a full length yet and we want it 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:41.190 to we want it to say something you know. that 00:47:41.190 --> 00:47:45.409 to be powerful and so that the pressure was kind 00:47:45.409 --> 00:47:47.590 of from ourselves I think we just we put a lot 00:47:47.590 --> 00:47:52.230 of pressure on ourselves not not in like a like 00:47:52.230 --> 00:47:54.630 vindictive way like you guys better not suck 00:47:54.630 --> 00:47:59.750 or just like a like we really want to do without 00:47:59.750 --> 00:48:03.010 excellent music we want to impress ourselves 00:48:03.010 --> 00:48:09.179 you know so yeah That's cool. I feel like from 00:48:09.179 --> 00:48:11.960 like from a listener standpoint tooth and nail 00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:13.960 seems like a band that there's a lot of create 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.320 like creative freedom with bands So is there 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:19.380 any like parameter you're given where it's like 00:48:19.380 --> 00:48:22.360 you have to give us ten songs or you have to 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:25.360 give us At least one radio hit or something like 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:27.179 that. Like is there like a checklist? That's 00:48:27.179 --> 00:48:30.739 like hey, we need you to provide us with this 00:48:30.739 --> 00:48:34.530 or is it like we believe in you and just Like, 00:48:34.570 --> 00:48:38.530 go create what you guys want to create. I mean, 00:48:39.289 --> 00:48:41.030 a little bit of both, but not what you think. 00:48:41.829 --> 00:48:44.289 Like contractually, like we have to provide 10 00:48:44.289 --> 00:48:48.670 songs. Like that's part of what is like us presenting 00:48:48.670 --> 00:48:52.730 to them a full record is at least 10 songs. But 00:48:52.730 --> 00:48:55.789 as far as like creative freedom goes, like we've 00:48:55.789 --> 00:49:01.710 never had anybody say to us like, we need you 00:49:01.710 --> 00:49:07.469 guys to Chill out with the screaming Never has 00:49:07.469 --> 00:49:10.250 that have we need you guys right catchy like 00:49:10.250 --> 00:49:14.389 come on like or you know, they never said like, 00:49:14.590 --> 00:49:18.010 you know or anything like that like we need a 00:49:18.010 --> 00:49:20.610 more radio -friendly they just They just say 00:49:20.610 --> 00:49:23.210 like go make like go make a record, you know 00:49:23.210 --> 00:49:28.130 You guys sit in a really interesting spot for 00:49:28.130 --> 00:49:31.050 them because Probably if some of your bandmates 00:49:31.050 --> 00:49:33.670 had their way maybe you would end up being a 00:49:33.670 --> 00:49:35.389 solid state band instead of a tooth and nail 00:49:35.389 --> 00:49:40.269 band. But you pull you pull things back a little 00:49:40.269 --> 00:49:43.590 bit across the line. And so being a tooth and 00:49:43.590 --> 00:49:46.190 nail band that plays the shed at Furnace Fest 00:49:46.190 --> 00:49:50.090 is kind of a cool, a cool spot to be in. I feel 00:49:50.090 --> 00:49:52.670 like in a lot of ways. Yeah. Like I said, man, 00:49:52.670 --> 00:49:54.849 that was one of the coolest moments of all of 00:49:54.849 --> 00:49:57.510 Idle Threat. We're all just so pumped because 00:49:57.510 --> 00:50:00.349 everybody knows the sheds the best stage at first. 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.159 I love the pond personally, but I went to see 00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.800 a few of my days in the shed. That's the one 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:11.179 that we didn't get to play. So yeah, we played 00:50:11.179 --> 00:50:14.199 the main stage first year, 2022. Well, not first 00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.079 year of the fest, first year we played. Yeah. 00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:19.400 We played the main stage in 2024. We got to play 00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.659 the shed and that was awesome. It's really cool. 00:50:22.059 --> 00:50:25.420 Blurred Visions. So I think I found you guys 00:50:25.420 --> 00:50:27.960 a little bit before Furnace Fest as I started. 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.500 I was excited about going to Furnace Fest, checking 00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:34.239 out some teeth and nail bands, but I missed the 00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.639 front edge of Blurred Visions coming out. And 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:39.639 one of the things that I was really bummed about 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:41.739 is that for the longest time I couldn't find 00:50:41.739 --> 00:50:45.400 that record on vinyl. There was the printing 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.840 and then it was gone and then couldn't get my 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:52.940 hands on it. And actually one of our friends 00:50:52.940 --> 00:50:55.460 who's married to our kids director here at our 00:50:55.460 --> 00:50:59.099 church who went with us to Furnace Fest, Three 00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:01.980 months ago like came out on a Sunday morning 00:51:01.980 --> 00:51:04.139 and said hey I've got something for you and he 00:51:04.139 --> 00:51:06.340 like handed me a copy of it that he tracked down 00:51:06.340 --> 00:51:11.300 on the internet and I was like I Still don't 00:51:11.300 --> 00:51:13.739 even know where he found it But I'm really thankful 00:51:13.739 --> 00:51:15.480 that I get to be on the front end on the new 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.719 record So I've already pre -ordered it ready 00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:23.480 to go. But yeah That's fun, so so speaking of 00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:29.940 that then Going into your kind of second Record 00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:32.400 this new and you'll forget the sun that's coming 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.579 out How do you guys feel like do you feel like 00:51:35.579 --> 00:51:38.579 you're in a different spot as a band? Does it 00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:41.519 feel? Different like recording your second full 00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:44.059 length with tooth and nail like how how's that? 00:51:44.099 --> 00:51:47.219 How was that experience? Totally it's totally 00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:50.199 different. Yeah, definitely feel in a different 00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:55.460 spot as a band Her blurred visions we recorded 00:51:55.460 --> 00:51:58.789 up in New Jersey at Barbershop Studios with Brett 00:51:58.789 --> 00:52:03.010 Ramness. Absolute blessing. Rob Chirapa did a 00:52:03.010 --> 00:52:06.010 lot of work with us as well. Those guys are amazing. 00:52:06.469 --> 00:52:09.710 But since we were up in New Jersey, we like lived 00:52:09.710 --> 00:52:12.789 there for a month. We did the whole like we are 00:52:12.789 --> 00:52:20.110 in the studio for a month. We slept in like this 00:52:20.110 --> 00:52:24.030 like. makeshift shack apartment above an Italian 00:52:24.030 --> 00:52:27.170 restaurant across the street. And we lived there 00:52:27.170 --> 00:52:30.829 for a month. And we were in the studio every 00:52:30.829 --> 00:52:33.630 day for a month and it was really cool. This 00:52:33.630 --> 00:52:37.849 time is not like that at all. Equally a blessing, 00:52:38.030 --> 00:52:42.750 we were, Stephen Keats from Haste Today, he recorded 00:52:42.750 --> 00:52:45.150 and produced the record. He lives in Nashville. 00:52:46.230 --> 00:52:50.110 So we kind of did it like on our own time. we 00:52:50.110 --> 00:52:52.730 were able to take a little bit more time with 00:52:52.730 --> 00:52:58.230 it because we could go home every night. Which 00:52:58.230 --> 00:53:01.269 was great for us because honestly, not only is 00:53:01.269 --> 00:53:05.650 the band in different places, but I feel like 00:53:05.650 --> 00:53:08.469 just us as people, we're just in a different 00:53:08.469 --> 00:53:11.969 place than we were when we recorded Blurred Visions. 00:53:13.730 --> 00:53:19.329 Ernie is married and has a son now. I got married 00:53:19.329 --> 00:53:23.409 in 2023. Two of the other guys in the band are 00:53:23.409 --> 00:53:26.250 in really serious relationships that I think 00:53:26.250 --> 00:53:30.570 might turn into marriages. Another one of the 00:53:30.570 --> 00:53:36.969 guys in the band owns a house. Ernie and I just 00:53:36.969 --> 00:53:39.469 bought a house recently. Not together, we don't 00:53:39.469 --> 00:53:44.730 live together. But life is just different. It's 00:53:44.730 --> 00:53:47.309 just, we all got a lot more responsibilities 00:53:47.309 --> 00:53:51.929 now and making that balance is kind of hard. 00:53:53.429 --> 00:53:56.250 So yeah, there's just so much that's different. 00:53:57.210 --> 00:54:01.230 But I also think that like, like it gave us more 00:54:01.230 --> 00:54:04.570 to draw from this time we wrote a record, like 00:54:04.570 --> 00:54:08.510 it gave us deeper things to draw from in all 00:54:08.510 --> 00:54:11.590 the ways that God has blessed us with more gifts 00:54:11.590 --> 00:54:14.610 and more responsibilities in our lives. Yeah, 00:54:14.610 --> 00:54:17.090 it's not it's not all a curse. It's just different. 00:54:17.389 --> 00:54:20.409 Yeah, definitely. It is very different for sure 00:54:20.409 --> 00:54:24.369 What can we expect from this new record out on 00:54:24.369 --> 00:54:33.230 May 8th? Good music Yeah, I mean I think this 00:54:33.230 --> 00:54:35.730 is the best record we've ever written as long 00:54:35.730 --> 00:54:43.570 as we've ever written Yeah I think you can expect 00:54:45.210 --> 00:54:50.389 some of our slowest stuff, fastest stuff on this 00:54:50.389 --> 00:54:54.670 record. Again, yeah, I think this is some of 00:54:54.670 --> 00:54:57.949 the best stuff we've ever written. I really think 00:54:57.949 --> 00:55:00.650 that the theme of this record is a little bit 00:55:00.650 --> 00:55:07.210 more cohesive. And you can expect us to write 00:55:07.210 --> 00:55:12.889 songs about deep struggles in life, perspective. 00:55:13.369 --> 00:55:16.289 that is about glorifying the lord in the midst 00:55:16.289 --> 00:55:20.030 of it which is sometimes hard hard to write about 00:55:20.030 --> 00:55:23.550 and sometimes hard to do that's that's cool you 00:55:23.550 --> 00:55:25.190 know you mentioned earlier you only get like 00:55:25.190 --> 00:55:29.650 one one shot with your like debut album and i 00:55:29.650 --> 00:55:31.809 feel like it's almost like even your second album 00:55:31.809 --> 00:55:35.389 is sometimes like you know like it's it can be 00:55:35.389 --> 00:55:37.389 a toss -up because like the one of the bands 00:55:37.389 --> 00:55:40.320 we mentioned earlier jones etta like There are 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.239 two albums they released I always tell people 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:44.699 that it feels like there's like 15 years in between 00:55:44.699 --> 00:55:47.679 them because it's like their first album It's 00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:49.679 like if you're under 20, I feel like it's a perfect 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:51.900 album for you But then their second album that 00:55:51.900 --> 00:55:54.260 came out like what a year maybe a year and a 00:55:54.260 --> 00:55:58.039 half later is like Just way more mature and less 00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:01.360 partying. It's almost like after college like 00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:03.719 the songs that you need to hear and so like, 00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:06.119 you know for me like I loved both of them and 00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.230 then for other people they're like no we don't 00:56:08.230 --> 00:56:10.309 we don't want that we just want to dance we don't 00:56:10.309 --> 00:56:15.289 want to you know so i feel like that's um that's 00:56:15.289 --> 00:56:17.309 that's cool to see kind of the branching out 00:56:17.309 --> 00:56:20.269 of like how do you keep that you know sound that 00:56:20.269 --> 00:56:22.510 people have come to love but also how do you 00:56:22.510 --> 00:56:25.369 grow you know and not just say let's let's just 00:56:25.369 --> 00:56:27.869 put out 10 more of what we did a couple years 00:56:27.869 --> 00:56:30.429 ago you know you're putting a lot of pressure 00:56:30.429 --> 00:56:33.590 brandon on zeke bringing up the second jon zetter 00:56:33.590 --> 00:56:38.309 record right now Is that record really good? 00:56:38.610 --> 00:56:40.469 I don't know that record. I think it's amazing. 00:56:40.510 --> 00:56:43.170 It's my favorite record of theirs, but they promptly 00:56:43.170 --> 00:56:45.889 broke up like right after it and their whole 00:56:45.889 --> 00:56:48.389 career just tanked. So we're not calling that 00:56:48.389 --> 00:56:51.349 into existence. That whole part I'm joking about. 00:56:53.769 --> 00:56:56.269 Those guys are friends of mine though. So like, 00:56:56.489 --> 00:56:58.789 oh, but yeah, no, it's an amazing record. I can't 00:56:58.789 --> 00:57:01.510 wait for the new record. I'm super excited about 00:57:01.510 --> 00:57:06.099 it. You mentioned a theme that's been going on 00:57:06.099 --> 00:57:07.659 through our conversation, but also something 00:57:07.659 --> 00:57:11.579 that I've just noticed from you is the idea of 00:57:11.579 --> 00:57:14.059 faith. And we were talking beforehand, Zeke, 00:57:14.059 --> 00:57:16.679 about how I met you at Furnace Fest about a year 00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.840 and a half ago. And our conversation after you 00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:23.039 guys played stuck out to me because you found 00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.159 out that I was a pastor and you took time to 00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.519 pull me aside and pray for me. And that has stuck 00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:32.699 with me since that moment. It really ministered 00:57:32.699 --> 00:57:38.360 to my heart. How do you keep, as a guy in a band, 00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:41.559 I know how tough this is and difficult this is 00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:44.320 in any kind of music industry, but how do you 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:48.619 guys keep faith as a central part of what you're 00:57:48.619 --> 00:57:52.739 doing as a band? Why is that so important to 00:57:52.739 --> 00:57:58.679 you? Well, I can just speak for myself personally. 00:58:02.740 --> 00:58:07.099 It's just, it's everything to me. The Lord saved 00:58:07.099 --> 00:58:14.460 me when I was 13. And basically if there ever 00:58:14.460 --> 00:58:21.960 came a day where I was not allowed or able to 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:25.019 sing about Jesus, I wouldn't be doing it anymore. 00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:30.940 So it's just the most important thing. I like 00:58:30.940 --> 00:58:34.239 to sing about important things. And I can't think 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.360 of anything more important to sing about than 00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:40.119 the Lord Jesus. He saved me. There is nothing 00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:44.320 more important than where do you stand with the 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:49.940 Lord? So yeah, of course, I write about all kinds 00:58:49.940 --> 00:58:52.639 of things in life. I write about losing loved 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.760 ones and write about, there's a new song on the 00:58:55.760 --> 00:59:01.699 record about my wife. It's kind of like a love 00:59:01.699 --> 00:59:06.880 song. There's songs about times I've been through 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:10.500 doubt in my faith. But the one thing that stayed 00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:15.300 constant in all of it is Jesus. Never leaves 00:59:15.300 --> 00:59:18.320 or forsakes me. Even when I have left, I've forsaken 00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:21.139 him in my life. And I don't know how I could 00:59:21.139 --> 00:59:25.760 begin to do that now for music, which is something 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.869 that he also gave me. So, yeah, that's powerful. 00:59:31.789 --> 00:59:34.469 Yeah, totally. And I think, I mean, you know 00:59:34.469 --> 00:59:38.590 this as well as we do. Like it's it's hard sometimes 00:59:38.590 --> 00:59:42.969 watching like you get a sense of how hard it 00:59:42.969 --> 00:59:46.050 is because you see some of your like heroes in 00:59:46.050 --> 00:59:48.630 music or bands that you've really looked up up 00:59:48.630 --> 00:59:54.059 to that have have like walked through hard seasons 00:59:54.059 --> 00:59:56.179 and gone through difficulty and struggled to 00:59:56.179 --> 00:59:58.119 find God at work in the midst of all those things 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:01.500 have been hurt by people. And for whatever reason, 01:00:01.659 --> 01:00:05.619 they've kind of walked away from their faith 01:00:05.619 --> 01:00:11.860 and their belief. And I just know watching the 01:00:11.860 --> 01:00:13.579 music scene from the outside, and of course, 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:15.679 as a pastor who's working with people who struggle 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:19.280 with the same things, like how hard and difficult 01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:23.250 it is to continue to trust in the faithfulness 01:00:23.250 --> 01:00:25.489 of God when you see things like that happen. 01:00:26.730 --> 01:00:29.409 But man, I would just, I want to encourage you 01:00:29.409 --> 01:00:31.969 personally, like I'm thankful to see your heart 01:00:31.969 --> 01:00:35.050 for that. And we'll just encourage you keep going 01:00:35.050 --> 01:00:37.469 because I think that your voice is such an important 01:00:37.469 --> 01:00:43.989 voice in the whole realm of music, but in this 01:00:43.989 --> 01:00:46.570 thing that we used to call Christian music too. 01:00:46.869 --> 01:00:50.800 So, yeah. Thank you. That's very encouraging. 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:57.360 You know, it can feel pretty isolating. Pretty 01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:02.619 lonely in places like that, you know, where you're 01:01:02.619 --> 01:01:06.340 the minority, at least in a realm like that, 01:01:06.460 --> 01:01:09.599 you definitely, you know, where the name of Jesus 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:15.659 is not necessarily welcomed. So, but I just, 01:01:15.860 --> 01:01:20.900 you know, I just I'm so thankful that someone 01:01:20.900 --> 01:01:23.460 in my life was willing to tell me about Jesus, 01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:26.280 even when I wasn't necessarily welcoming it, 01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:31.619 you know? And it changed my life forever. But 01:01:31.619 --> 01:01:35.860 it's hard, man. It is hard. The allure of the 01:01:35.860 --> 01:01:39.679 world and the praise of man is very intoxicating. 01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:46.340 And it snares many a believer away from Christ. 01:01:48.149 --> 01:01:50.469 And it just reminds me of something that Paul 01:01:50.469 --> 01:01:54.889 said in one of his epistles that, you know, if 01:01:54.889 --> 01:01:56.710 I were seeking the approval of man, I would not 01:01:56.710 --> 01:02:01.510 be a servant of Christ. Just kind of like basically 01:02:01.510 --> 01:02:04.429 saying like, well, yeah, if I wanted that, I 01:02:04.429 --> 01:02:06.510 wouldn't be a servant of Christ because that's 01:02:06.510 --> 01:02:08.449 the one thing I'm not going to get if I serve 01:02:08.449 --> 01:02:13.789 Christ. But that's not what I'm doing. So I just 01:02:13.789 --> 01:02:16.840 try to keep that. first and foremost in my mind 01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:21.239 that The reason why I do this is not to hear 01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:26.699 people cheer for me, you know But it's a constant 01:02:26.699 --> 01:02:29.960 thing. I have to stay focused because yeah, it 01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:33.739 it's hard I really appreciate the current the 01:02:33.739 --> 01:02:35.619 encouragement man meeting people like you and 01:02:35.619 --> 01:02:38.940 getting to pray for people. It's like it's like 01:02:38.940 --> 01:02:46.239 some of the best parts of it I love it. Well, 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.980 so Zeke, whenever you look into the future, like 01:02:49.980 --> 01:02:52.780 what do you kind of see like on the horizon for 01:02:52.780 --> 01:02:55.780 Idle Threat or like for you, like in the music 01:02:55.780 --> 01:03:01.599 world? Well, it's hard to look beyond the immediate 01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:03.800 future right now. The immediate future is put 01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:07.920 the album out, right? Put this album out. I mean, 01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:11.300 this this like baby that we've been working on. 01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:16.500 that we're ready to release into the world. That's 01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:20.900 kind of where all of our focus is. Our energy 01:03:20.900 --> 01:03:25.139 into promoting it and getting it out there and 01:03:25.139 --> 01:03:28.119 praying that the Lord would use it in somebody's 01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:34.760 life to speak to them. And then hopefully playing 01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:40.039 some shows to support it this year. And outside 01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.480 of that, we're not looking super beyond that. 01:03:43.460 --> 01:03:45.900 We know that we love writing music and we want 01:03:45.900 --> 01:03:48.739 to keep doing that. But as far as like specifics, 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:50.900 Idle Threat's always been a band where we take 01:03:50.900 --> 01:03:54.440 things one step at a time. We did not start the 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.360 band with like this great dream that like, we're 01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.119 gonna do this and that and this and that. It 01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:02.059 was literally just, we just want to do this. 01:04:02.900 --> 01:04:06.730 Let's just write a song. like okay now let's 01:04:06.730 --> 01:04:09.750 write an EP okay now let's like let's go play 01:04:09.750 --> 01:04:12.929 some shows like and we just very much like one 01:04:12.929 --> 01:04:16.969 step at a time and the lord one door at a time 01:04:16.969 --> 01:04:19.929 has led us to where we are now so we're just 01:04:19.929 --> 01:04:22.989 focusing on the next door really i was telling 01:04:22.989 --> 01:04:24.789 someone the other day that i was like i'm really 01:04:24.789 --> 01:04:26.849 jealous people who have like five year plans 01:04:26.849 --> 01:04:30.289 because i was like i've tried to plan it's like 01:04:30.380 --> 01:04:32.679 Last year I was trying to get a job like I left 01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:35.179 my job I was trying to get a job these like at 01:04:35.179 --> 01:04:37.440 Publix and the next thing I know I got offered 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:39.900 like a full -time marketing position for a senior 01:04:39.900 --> 01:04:42.239 center I told people I was like that was not 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.639 on my bingo card for like my next So I can definitely 01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:47.599 relate to like yeah, we don't know what's in 01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:51.039 five years. We're just looking at me right now 01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:56.219 I come up with a plan like that One of course, 01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:59.159 it doesn't work out that way and I can go why 01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:02.340 did I even make that plan? Why do I even try? 01:05:03.260 --> 01:05:05.400 I think there's something biblical about that. 01:05:05.940 --> 01:05:08.019 No one should say next year I'll be in such -and 01:05:08.019 --> 01:05:11.019 -such city doing such -and -such thing, but God's 01:05:11.019 --> 01:05:13.239 sovereign. He knows exactly where He wants us. 01:05:13.260 --> 01:05:16.199 Your chip is good, but planning out a box isn't 01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:20.219 a different thing. Well, man, we really appreciate 01:05:20.219 --> 01:05:23.039 you jumping on with us and talking through this 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.159 and just connecting How how can people connect 01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:28.519 with what you guys are doing right now? I know 01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:30.320 obviously you're you're pushing for this new 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:31.840 record coming out What are the ways that you 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:34.579 would tell people hey come and find us here? 01:05:35.019 --> 01:05:39.059 Dude, yeah, definitely Instagram Follow us on 01:05:39.059 --> 01:05:42.400 Instagram's idle threat Nash little idle threat 01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:48.309 in a set in SH And then I mean we're on X, we're 01:05:48.309 --> 01:05:52.489 on Facebook. We did create a TikTok. None of 01:05:52.489 --> 01:05:57.530 us love that we did that. Well, like, we should. 01:05:58.449 --> 01:06:00.449 But yeah, I mean, follow us on like Instagram. 01:06:00.650 --> 01:06:03.030 That'd probably be the best way. But more than 01:06:03.030 --> 01:06:06.849 anything, go find us on Spotify, YouTube music 01:06:06.849 --> 01:06:10.800 or Apple music or Amazon or whatever it is, a 01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:12.539 title. I don't think anybody uses that anymore, 01:06:12.539 --> 01:06:17.300 but if you do. But yeah, find us on Spotify and 01:06:17.300 --> 01:06:21.519 listen to the music and yeah, watch our watch 01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:23.300 our social to see if we're playing somewhere 01:06:23.300 --> 01:06:26.639 near you and come see us. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. 01:06:27.019 --> 01:06:28.780 I encourage you guys to do it, especially check 01:06:28.780 --> 01:06:32.619 out the new stuff. I'm sure that would help them 01:06:32.619 --> 01:06:34.760 kind of running some numbers for this new record. 01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:38.219 But but it's great. And I can't wait. I can't 01:06:38.219 --> 01:06:41.960 wait to get that one in my hands for sure. Zeke, 01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.480 man, thanks again for joining us. And if you 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:46.280 ever want to play in Charleston, South Carolina, 01:06:46.340 --> 01:06:48.539 let us know and we'll see what we can do to hook 01:06:48.539 --> 01:06:51.559 it up. Love that. Thank you guys. Thank you so 01:06:51.559 --> 01:07:00.719 much. Yeah, absolutely. All right. well it is 01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:17.559 time for the lyric of the week so as y 'all know 01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.139 whenever we are not reviewing an album we go 01:07:20.139 --> 01:07:23.320 into the archives of star flyer 59 to choose 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:26.980 a lyric so this week's comes from their song 01:07:26.980 --> 01:07:31.480 red tide off of i am a ceo there's peace to come 01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:35.039 it won't be long trees of green eternal song 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:38.719 i close my eyes and then i pray the streets of 01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:43.179 gold the pearly gates come on jason it's good 01:07:43.179 --> 01:07:47.300 stuff i love it i love it all right well guys 01:07:47.300 --> 01:07:49.860 we are super thankful that you join us uh joined 01:07:49.860 --> 01:07:53.300 us today special thanks to zeke from idle threat 01:07:53.300 --> 01:07:57.010 for hanging out with us Hey, we would love it 01:07:57.010 --> 01:08:01.730 if you find us on all the socials. We are on 01:08:01.730 --> 01:08:05.130 Facebook at Hey, are you listening? You can find 01:08:05.130 --> 01:08:08.469 us on X, you can find us in lots of places. Share 01:08:08.469 --> 01:08:11.449 the podcast, subscribe to the podcast, leave 01:08:11.449 --> 01:08:13.909 us a review. We're just thankful that you're 01:08:13.909 --> 01:08:17.409 here for the journey and looking forward to the 01:08:17.409 --> 01:08:20.409 fun stuff that we have got ahead. So we'll see 01:08:20.409 --> 01:08:32.859 you guys next week. I'm