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Are you listening? Well, welcome to Hey, Are

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You Listening? This is a podcast exploring the

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past, present and future of Christian music.

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My name is Joel. I'm here with my good friend

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Brandon. We connected over a mutual love of some

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particular audits, but also have some pretty

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different tastes when it comes to things. And

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so we get to experience new stuff from each other

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while inviting some friends along for the ride.

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Brandon, you doing all right today? I'm doing

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great. It's a beautiful sunny day down here in

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South Carolina, which is awesome. And today is

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an exciting one for us because we do have a special

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guest with us. And so you may know him as the

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creator of Tooth and Nail News on your favorite

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social media. Join us today in welcoming Cameron

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George. All right. What's up? Hey, man. Thanks

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for having me. We are super pumped. This is really

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awesome to be able to have you on you reached

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out to us and I was immediately like, oh my goodness,

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I follow that site that shows up in my feed like

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every day, which is really, really cool. So it's

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awesome that you reached out to us. And how did

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you find out about the podcast? Just I was looking

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for an episode talking about the hunger because.

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I needed one as I was going to do an episode

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myself as a guest And came across your guys.

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You were the only one that had one and I listened

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to I was like I like this So I listened to a

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little bit more and it's like that's how you

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guys had the thing I was like, well, I might

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as well reach out. I'm looking to get on more

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podcasts. I enjoy doing it. So that's really

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cool Yeah, I can't wait to hear your take on

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the hunger too. So that'll be fun when you mention

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that Joel I was trying to go back and be like

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man. I hope that's an album I liked I think you

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were kind of meh on it. Maybe a little positive,

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but maybe. Yeah, I don't know, Brandon. I, you

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know, you just never know. So we'll see how it

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goes. Um, well, Cameron, man, again, just thank

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you. We're super pleased to have you on. And,

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um, we're going to kind of jump into this thing

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by talking about what's in the news. So it seems

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kind of silly for us to do a new segment when

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we have a news guy On the podcast and so I asked

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you Cameron if you might be willing just to run

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our new segment and tell us What's going on out

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there? Okay, so take it away All right, here

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are some of the biggest headlines of the last

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month. These are the ones that I covered Beginning

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of February. We saw the blamed announced that

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they were working on a new album for 2026 Family

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Force five also tease new music and were announced

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for warp tour, which is pretty big for me. I'm

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excited for that Haste Today announced their

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new album dissenter and then idle threat also

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announced a new album. You'll forget the Sun

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Mmm, another one. I'm definitely excited for

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me to meet you. It's gonna be so good Jason Dunn

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of Hawk Nelson announced formerly known as his

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new album that's coming out in May We got August

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brings red released the first single of their

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upcoming album that is still Untitled at the

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time of recording this The dingy's announced

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their album Armageddon massive on vinyl with

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unoriginal. I pre -ordered that I did not but

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I'm really wanting to Ronnie Martin of Joy Electric

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Launched his new podcast rambles with Ronnie

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Sent by Ravens kind of launched their comeback

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with getting announced for louder than life festival,

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which is cool and also announced new music Josh

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Porter from show bread released his new book

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It's a long title and I'm not going to read it

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all And then lastly I've got Ethan Luck who is

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in a handful of tooth and nail and solid state

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bands announced his new album give up the ghost

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That's really cool. What which so you I know

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you mentioned a couple that you're pumped about

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but yeah What why tell me about those that you're

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really excited about? Family force five. That's

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just a big nostalgia thing for me. I'm Was like

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huge into them like middle school age like when

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they were just kind of ending their career there

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and so That's super exciting. I'm excited to

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see them do a new stuff. I got to talk with Solomon

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the singer a little bit, but I'm not going to

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say anything more than that because I don't I

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do one. I don't have any huge news and two, I

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don't want to say anything too soon for them.

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Brandon is like thirsty right now after you said

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that. He's off the record. Yeah. But then the

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other one, I'm really excited for Idle Threat.

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They're just. Awesome. I love their music. I'm

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stoked for their new album. I recently just did

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an episode of Tooth and Nail Alumni React to

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New School Tooth and Nail Music. And I got to

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play the new song, Evermind, for Adam Knight,

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who's in Craig's brother in Too Bad Eugene. He's

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like, man, this is good. I'm like, right? So,

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yeah. Love love that new song and I love their

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blurred visions album so much I got I saw them

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at furnace fest a year and a half ago Yeah, a

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year and a half ago and was just blown away by

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them and also just like how cool of guys they

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are Yeah getting to meet them. So I'm really

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yeah, they're really sweet guys. I did the trivia

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night October last year and I reach out to them

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as if they'd want to be They want to donate any

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merch for prizes and they're like, yeah, and

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they sent me a few different things. That was

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really cool. That's really awesome. I love that.

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I love that. Yeah. Brandon's been really excited

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about the family force five thing too. Um, yeah,

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Brandon is, I think last time we talked about

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on the podcast, it was more of just like something's

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happening. Yeah. There was rumblings. There was

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random like Catholics being posted on Instagram

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or whatnot. Yeah. And we know more now, right?

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Yeah. So yeah, it's really exciting. For me,

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Family Force V, I got into them in, it would

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have been like 2007. So it's when they were just

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released their extended version of Business Up

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Front. And I feel like that's cool. So for you,

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were you, did you get into them when like Solomon

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was still like fronting the band or when like

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Crouton, which by the way, Joel really likes

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when I just start, Joel's like, are you making

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these up? Um, were you like into it whenever

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soul glow was there or like whenever crouton

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got in like was that the version of family force

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5 that you hopped into I was right in between

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Like I got into them around the time that chainsaw

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came out since like 2013 2012 something like

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that. So right around there Yes, they were pretty

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hot right off of three coming out and everything

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and then I was pretty devastated That soul go

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left the band and then but I was it was cool

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to be into a band as they were releasing a new

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album And so they put out time standstill and

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I love that album I don't know if it holds up

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as well now But I really loved it then just because

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my favorite band was putting out a new album

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at the time I described it to jill that And I

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you you might disagree or agree with this, but

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I feel like family force 5 They're like the the

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star wars of like music where i feel like each

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of their like kind of like there's these three

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distinct ones where it's like the business up

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front era then you have like the dancer die to

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three and then you have like the time still like

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stand still and it's like there's some people

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that are like man all of it's amazing there's

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some people that's like well no this these three

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years were amazing and i feel like family force

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five is just it was a band that was always like

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kind of like like evolving and like trying different

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stuff and so I feel like it's always interesting

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for people who were like you know for me where

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it was like kind of on this front end of it then

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you have people like on the back end of it where

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they're like you know the more of the last album

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stuff My favorite thing though about this whole

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thing is, I think in our second episode we covered

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a Family Force V album, their second record,

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right? Yeah. Love that album. And so I'm like,

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I know this is one of Brandon's favorite bands.

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He's just going to be over the moon for this.

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And then he gave it like a two and a half out

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of five. And I'm like, oh, I thought you loved

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these guys. It's a really complicated relation.

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So Brandon falls into the category of someone

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who really loves an era of a band. No, that's

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funny. The answer to that is probably my favorite

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for the first five album. That's how I wanted

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on vinyl. That was my holy grail. And I spent

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more money on it than I probably should have.

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But it's cool to have. That was I bought it when

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it when they first released it. So I got it for

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like probably twenty twenty five dollars and

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I got it and I didn't even own a record player.

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So the first year I had it, it was just like

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sit in my room and I was like. Man, so I wonder

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how those things work. And then finally I found

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like a, I think someone was selling a record

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player for like $2 at the flea market. And I

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was like, all right, there we go. Now I can go

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home and listen to this. And then you're like,

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I'm just going to drop this needle. How does

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this work? I still have no, I love vinyl so much.

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I have no idea how it really works. It's fascinating.

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Cool. Well, Cameron, thanks for walking us through

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the news and what's going on. Let's talk a little

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bit about what we've been listening to lately.

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What are things that you guys have been spending

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time listening to that you've enjoyed? I'll go

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ahead, I guess. Seven day Jesus has been a big

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one for me because I did that last podcast It's

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just been in my rotation recently, but I listen

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I went back and listened to their second album

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a little more It's like, oh, it's not as bad

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as I think I remember being pretty good Audio

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adrenaline has been big. I don't know where it

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came from. I just gotten this kick for like 90s

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audio adrenaline So that's all I've been listening

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to some Copeland obviously idle threat. I'm excited

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and then specifically a song By hunter plake.

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He's on bec right now called west coast babies

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and there's just something about that song that's

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just Hit just right. I've had it on repeat lately.

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Mm -hmm. That's awesome um Yeah, the 70 jesus

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thing. I remember as when I was younger and super

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into them um, the hunger was like a perfect album

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in my estimation at that point in time and so

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when The second record the forefront record came

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out. I'm like, what is this super polished garbage?

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Like what did they do? Um, but now I go back

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and listen to that album and i'm like, this is

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really good So, I don't know. I maybe I was too

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mean to it Yeah, absolutely. I definitely was

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but I love I love both of those records for their

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own their own unique things branded would much

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more be a fan of the second album The self -titled,

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you know me That's cool. So I was curious when

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you brought audio adrenaline um, so is it kind

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of just going to their catalog and hitting like

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shuffle or is there like a particular album that

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you've gravitated more towards or You know, I

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so I started off with this like i'm gonna listen

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to all the albums So I just I started well I

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skipped the first one because I couldn't do it.

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I just couldn't it's too hip -hopy for me and

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it's not my thing Uh, so that I just went from

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there and listened up through is it world? Why

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is it what that was called? I think I listened

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through to that one And then i've just kind of

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gone back and forth here and there to certain

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songs now I actually spent time listening to

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to um bloom because they just had the 30th anniversary

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for that Um, and that's probably my favorite

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audio adrenaline record because it's like a rock

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and roll record Yeah, more so than like the rest

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of their stuff and yeah, that's good. The guitar

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works phenomenal Um, yeah, I love that album.

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I'm pretty divided between bloom and some kind

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of a zombie. Yeah, I like both those. I do I

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do too. Yeah, that's good Brandon, what about

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you? What have you been listening to? Uh, so

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it's not a it's It's not a new release, but it

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is his new release It's one of those albums that

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you know, like you're listening to it one day

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then the next day It just mysteriously disappears

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from all platforms And you're like, oh, why did

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that happen? Um So The Last Bison, they released

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an EP about 10, 11 years ago called Dorado. And

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I think it was after, I want to say it was after

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they released their VA album. And it was just

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like incredible. And I don't know what it is

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about Last Bison. I mean, their albums are good,

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but I feel like their EPs are just, it's like

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you give them four songs and they give you something

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that's perfect. And so it's been really cool

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because there was a couple of like tracks from

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there that I'd been thinking a lot about recently

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and just thought like, man, I wish that there

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was a way I could have like bought this or whatever.

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And so I got the EP from them when they were

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selling them back in December. And but they announced

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they were releasing it. And I feel like it's

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just easier to listen to something like streaming

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versus like finding somewhere to put the CD in.

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And so it was just really cool to kind of get

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to listen to those and like kind of like. Transport

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back to like 2015 so it's like in the middle

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of college and you're finding this amazing band

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and all that stuff So I've been having that on

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pretty much non -stop. That's cool. I love that

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I feel like we're still in that phase of when

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is new music really gonna start hitting? And

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so I've kind of been struggling with what to

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listen to that's new, but I put together a playlist

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a couple of years ago that I keep adding to on

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Apple Music called Christians Rock. And so it's

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not like Christian Rock, but it's rock music

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by Christians. And I was listening to it the

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other day, and anytime I feel like I'm in a...

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kind of a lull I'll like throw that playlist

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on and then it'll take me to I'm like oh I need

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to go listen to that record by that band and

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so the one that it drew me to that I've spent

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a lot of time with is one of my favorite albums

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by 238 regulate the chemicals and I just have

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spent a ton of time listening to that record

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and that's a band that my band got to tour with

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several times just phenomenal phenomenal band

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and maybe One of my favorite albums of all time.

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So I really would take it down, but i'm afraid

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i'm not gonna get back on the wall, but I have

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a poster Like a touring poster of uh, you should

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be living. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome

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That's one of my favorite albums. I love you

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should be living. I have a I have um an end An

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end of 238 poster, um from Basically like some

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of their last shows with my band like on the

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lineup of the poster for that day It's like it's

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a treasure for me. It's hanging up in my upstairs.

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Yeah So, um, yeah me and that band was incredible

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and phenomenal live just unbelievable. So Awesome.

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Well, let's check the mail Well our question

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today Comes from Jordan Brandon. You might know

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this person. I've met her a few times friend

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of the show Jordan asks what artists alive or

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dead? If you could see them in concert like go

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back and see them at any point or stage in their

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career Like what what show would you want to

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go to? Who's an artist and what stage in there

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in their kind of career as a musician? What would

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you want to jump into? I've, uh, I've thought

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a lot about this so I can go first and let you

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guys take some time to think through it. Now

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I was trying to think through for me, um, what

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it would be. And I think honestly, I'm going

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to go with the, the artist who's passed, um,

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just as an opportunity, but for me, it would

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probably be rich Mullins, um, that if I could

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go see rich Mullins on like, a tour from the

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era of Liturgy Legacy and Ragamuffin Band with

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his full band. I just feel like that would be

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incredible and I never got to see Rich live and

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I hate that I missed that opportunity. That's

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one that one that I'll never get back for sure.

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I think the two that came to mind for me and

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I tried to think of people like like a Hat and

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Zine because honestly that Comey Without You

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show if they were doing a reunion tour Like if

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they announced it tomorrow, I'd go buy a ticket.

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But Rich Mullins came to mind and more I feel

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like it's it's almost less of the concert and

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more of I'd love to just like chat with them

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afterwards. Like at the merch table. Yeah. And

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get to hang out. And another band that like like

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is this band called Children 18 .3 and they were

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on Tooth and Nell and like the like late 2000s

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and um it was like three siblings and they like

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toured close to here like one time and i wasn't

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able to go to it and um i've been revisiting

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some of their music and i feel like it was just

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such a cool like just a cool band and um once

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again i feel like i feel like for me the show's

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cool but i'd love just like chat with them afterwards

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so like that's that's the caveat is it's like

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If I can chat with them afterwards i'm going

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with this one, but um brandon Maybe we can track

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them down and have them on the podcast. I've

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thought about reaching out to them. Yeah, so

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it'd be cool It could be uh the I don't remember

00:18:09.950 --> 00:18:11.670
her name, but the girl that was in the band She's

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pretty active on social media from what i've

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seen. So, you know, there's a chance Lisa if

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you're listening this Awesome Cameron, what about

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you? Okay, this is this is tough Um, I would

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have like prior to last year would have said

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as cities burn But then I finally got to see

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them last year open for emery and that was super

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cool. That's all that is my all -time favorite

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band. So um I think i'm gonna go with zeo but

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in the blood and fire era Okay, like with brett

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on guitar and stuff. Like I think that would

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be the band I would want to see There's just

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something about their shows like I hate watching

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the videos cuz I kind of just get jealous Like

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I wish I would have been there to see them one

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time and my dad actually saw them Like right

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as Julianna theory was starting. Mm -hmm. So

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it would have been like shortly after Brett lost

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the band Yeah, which we can dig more into that

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later about my dad being into Tooth and Nail

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and that's what got me into it. But yes, I Yeah,

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I probably I could have easily picked a Brett

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lineup, but it would have been Juliana Theory

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for me, for sure. I I remember one time I drove

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three hours from Jackson, Mississippi to Birmingham,

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Alabama to see the Juliana Theory play. And and

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they canceled like I was thinking as we got there.

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They canceled. They totally canceled. And we

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were so so bummed about that. And so I never

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got to like see them in like the heyday. Um,

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but I have been able to see them I think twice

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at furnace fest So thanks to furnace fest. Um,

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yep, you know really awesome rest in peace furnace

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fest. Oh man Yeah, that's a whole conversation

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for yeah, there's a whole nother episode. Yeah,

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I need to make a correction real fast Okay, her

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name was lee marie. Okay, so if Lee, if you are

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listening to this, I want you to apologize for

00:20:00.950 --> 00:20:03.690
two minutes ago when I got your name wrong. It's

00:20:03.690 --> 00:20:05.289
good, Brandon. Yeah, we don't want to we don't

00:20:05.289 --> 00:20:07.869
want to hurt the chances of that happening. So

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you imagine the odds of like if you did have

00:20:09.650 --> 00:20:12.769
someone listening and that was what they like

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the one time John Rubin listens is the one time

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I don't mention like, I'd love to see him live.

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Right. He's like, yes, he doesn't want to see

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me anymore. Yeah, let's just start listening

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off every single band we'd ever want to see.

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And then we'll get him on the podcast. We definitely

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have names that get repeated a lot. on here so

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it's pretty funny but all right Brandon I hear

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you have a game for us today so let's let's get

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into that and let's play yeah so today's game

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you know as we sometimes do we've stumbled upon

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some secret news So today's prompt is we have

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found out that tooth and now is Releasing some

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new merchandise for some of their current artists

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as well as alumni. All right, okay and we're

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gonna have you and Cameron you're gonna be the

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The secret shoppers or just give some feedback.

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Okay, so I'm gonna give you some products that

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are totally real these But they need your help

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to pre -order them Alright our Nick our first

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um one is it is an album called Hawk to the chief

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It is Hawk Nelson releases a compilation album

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featuring songs about each US president So there

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is a pop punk song dedicated to each of our presidents

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Do you think that's are you pre -ordering that

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or do you feel like tooth and nail Hawk Nelson

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should not be releasing an album? How interested

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are you tooth and nail Hawk Nelson? Yeah I originally

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thought that this was going to be Hog Nelson

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covering the Radiohead record. Yeah. So I don't

00:22:01.700 --> 00:22:03.900
know. That might be more interesting to me, but,

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um, um, I mean, I'm sure there are thousands

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of people that would jump on this if it came

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out. So sure. I mean, yeah. It would be a hit.

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Yes, that's the thing. Personally, I don't know

00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:22.440
if I'd buy it, but I could get behind it, I guess.

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I feel like I would immediately go to the most

00:22:24.619 --> 00:22:27.119
obscure present I could think of, just to be

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like, what did they find? Because you know those

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are probably going to be the best ones as you're

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like, yeah, let's see what Taft was doing. Next

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one. It is MXPX Marks the Spot, a treasure hunting

00:22:39.500 --> 00:22:42.259
board game where you find the secret to what

00:22:42.259 --> 00:22:47.359
is punk. So it's a board game a pirate themed

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MXPX board game Let's say $40 is what they're

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gonna charge for it. Does it come with an album

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or is it just a board game? Just a board game

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You know, I think I could go for that it's a

00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:09.079
cool novelty item yeah, I Can't imagine I'm shocked

00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:10.940
that honestly this would happen considering.

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I think there's pretty good Bad blood between

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mxpx and tooth and nail at this point but uh

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Yeah, I would I would buy it if I if the figurines

00:23:20.819 --> 00:23:23.519
are like little like a little my career A little

00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.720
yuri like i'm in. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.

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Yeah, that'd be awesome I will say at this point

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for transparency each of these products I was

00:23:31.220 --> 00:23:34.240
making up was something I would buy because it

00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.099
reminded me of like years ago. They made like

00:23:37.099 --> 00:23:39.539
john rubin toilet paper and they were selling

00:23:39.539 --> 00:23:43.039
it for 50 dollars a roll and I sometimes I regret

00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:45.900
not buying a roll of it And so I felt like the

00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:48.339
next ones I had to step up and be like, okay

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How can I put a twist to where it's not not like

00:23:50.980 --> 00:23:53.539
the coolest product? Okay. Gotcha. Um, so the

00:23:53.539 --> 00:23:57.380
next one is star flyer 59 ounce branded energy

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drinks So 59 ounces of star flyer themed energy,

00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.880
uh featuring flavors such as blueberry collar

00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:10.599
and minor key lime splash Those titles are awesome

00:24:11.820 --> 00:24:17.240
Yeah, I think the boys at a corporate they I've

00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:20.660
only had one energy drink my entire life, but

00:24:20.660 --> 00:24:24.819
I would 100 % buy that Probably that's sitting

00:24:24.819 --> 00:24:27.279
on a shelf versus drinking just a half gallon

00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:32.099
can Yeah, I'd probably buy it but same thing

00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:34.759
it might sit on a shelf for a very long time

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All right. Next up we have slick shoes laces

00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.279
Each pair features the band logo and a guarantee

00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:47.720
that these shoelaces will never stay tied They're

00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:54.880
just too slick Um Slick shoes is my favorite

00:24:54.880 --> 00:25:00.779
punk band. Uh -huh. Um, but I Yeah, I don't know.

00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:04.859
I don't know how I would display laces And I

00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:07.339
probably wouldn't put them on my shoes. So that's

00:25:07.339 --> 00:25:09.730
probably one that I would be like I don't have

00:25:09.730 --> 00:25:13.410
to buy that one Yeah, I don't know man, you know,

00:25:13.410 --> 00:25:17.410
I think maybe you get I think vans Sells shoes

00:25:17.410 --> 00:25:19.289
with like blue flames on them. So they kind of

00:25:19.289 --> 00:25:20.990
look like burnout and you lay some on a pair

00:25:20.990 --> 00:25:23.349
of those There's a good display. I'd I'd buy

00:25:23.349 --> 00:25:25.329
them for that reason so I could display them

00:25:25.329 --> 00:25:29.089
on some burnout shoes All right, uh oc super

00:25:29.089 --> 00:25:32.789
soaker, uh, each blast features a song resembling,

00:25:32.789 --> 00:25:37.119
uh the blair of five trumpets and horns And you

00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:46.660
cannot turn it off I'm sold All right The classic

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crime True crime starter kit the members of the

00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.319
bands will help you through it so you can become

00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.480
the best local sleuth in your neighborhood So

00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.240
the members of the band are walking you through

00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:04.380
how to become a true crime Leader well I'll just

00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:08.240
be honest in that, um, as the old guy in the

00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.019
room right now, um, classic crime was a little

00:26:11.019 --> 00:26:13.220
like they were in a phase that I wasn't like

00:26:13.220 --> 00:26:17.700
paying as close of attention. Um, and so I never

00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:19.980
really got, I just never really got into their

00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:22.799
stuff or listen to them. So, um, I don't have

00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.380
any nostalgic reason to buy that, but just for

00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:28.119
the true crime, I love true crime. So I might

00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:32.440
buy it just for that reason. You know, I saw

00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:34.019
them live last year. They're pretty cool. I'll

00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:39.339
buy it. All right our final reason only You imagine

00:26:39.339 --> 00:26:41.660
walking up to the merch booth like at a concert

00:26:41.660 --> 00:26:44.019
and you'd have like here's your $30 t -shirt

00:26:44.019 --> 00:26:46.299
Here's like maybe a ten fifteen dollar like CD

00:26:46.299 --> 00:26:48.359
and then here's just this like hundred dollar

00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:53.859
true crime kit All right, the last one is the

00:26:53.859 --> 00:26:57.279
may ever glow nightlight a nightlight that glows

00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.339
glows brighter and brighter with each day No

00:27:00.339 --> 00:27:02.880
batteries or power needed. It just mysteriously

00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.859
glows. It keeps getting brighter. Yeah, every

00:27:05.859 --> 00:27:08.140
single day it gets brighter. There's nothing

00:27:08.140 --> 00:27:14.299
you can do to turn it off. That is quite the

00:27:14.299 --> 00:27:17.079
item. I I think that's pretty awesome. I definitely

00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:19.779
do you have to plug it in or is it just It just

00:27:19.779 --> 00:27:21.940
like it just glows it just glows. I you know,

00:27:21.940 --> 00:27:23.519
it's kind of convenient Don't plug it in, you

00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.519
know energy saving I guess but yeah, can we use

00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.559
it to solve the energy crisis? You probably could

00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:33.160
I mean you like you'd probably find but once

00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:34.839
you give it like passed it down to your kids

00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:37.779
It's probably gonna start like, you know Shooting

00:27:37.779 --> 00:27:40.460
through like like is me a laser just like shooting

00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:44.480
through the light of a thousand sons Yeah, I

00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:46.339
mean the everglow is one of my favorite records

00:27:46.339 --> 00:27:51.980
of all time. So I'm probably a yes This potentially

00:27:51.980 --> 00:28:01.779
like life -threatening cool Brandon, thank you

00:28:01.950 --> 00:28:04.410
It's good to know what tooth and nail is spending

00:28:04.410 --> 00:28:08.569
their time and energy on these days They could

00:28:08.569 --> 00:28:10.910
work a little harder at getting records out faster

00:28:10.910 --> 00:28:12.730
that I don't throughout records been in the works

00:28:12.730 --> 00:28:17.849
for a while Come on Brandon Just get on it. No,

00:28:17.849 --> 00:28:20.829
I'm not you Brandon. Yeah at first I was I was

00:28:20.829 --> 00:28:23.890
like y 'all see what I can do I'm just helping

00:28:23.890 --> 00:28:26.690
a market. I'm not really in the hardy deployment

00:28:26.690 --> 00:28:29.210
of the yeah, gotcha. Gotcha. All right Well,

00:28:29.210 --> 00:28:32.230
let's transition and get into our conversation

00:28:32.230 --> 00:28:41.549
about tooth and nail news Well Cameron again,

00:28:41.549 --> 00:28:44.269
man, it's a joy to have you on I've enjoyed talking

00:28:44.269 --> 00:28:47.309
about this stuff already but kind of want to

00:28:47.309 --> 00:28:51.069
just get your story and how you got into this

00:28:51.069 --> 00:28:54.029
and What it's led to and what's going on with

00:28:54.029 --> 00:28:56.109
with tooth and nail news But just to kind of

00:28:56.109 --> 00:28:58.569
kick things off. Tell us a little bit about yourself

00:28:58.569 --> 00:29:03.089
Yeah Well, obviously I love music. I love tooth

00:29:03.089 --> 00:29:07.450
and nail stuff. That's kind of my my niche I

00:29:07.450 --> 00:29:11.769
grew up around music My dad has always been in

00:29:11.769 --> 00:29:13.529
music, like whatever churches were a part of,

00:29:13.609 --> 00:29:16.329
both my parents were usually in music, and then

00:29:16.329 --> 00:29:19.789
my parents had a youth ministry in the 90s, and

00:29:19.789 --> 00:29:21.670
so obviously tooth and nail was a big part of

00:29:21.670 --> 00:29:23.970
that, and so I grew up with a lot of this, and

00:29:23.970 --> 00:29:26.769
I'm a musician myself. I mainly play drums, but

00:29:26.769 --> 00:29:29.829
I play some other stuff, and a lot of this stuff

00:29:29.829 --> 00:29:32.009
that I do with tooth and nail just kind of plays

00:29:32.009 --> 00:29:36.460
into my background and my love for music. That's

00:29:36.460 --> 00:29:39.539
cool. That's cool. So like what what kind of

00:29:39.539 --> 00:29:41.740
led to having that like love of music? Like where

00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:44.539
did it take from where you were like? Oh like

00:29:44.539 --> 00:29:46.740
this this sounds good or whatever to like man

00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:49.440
I want to I want to be a part of this like I

00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:51.440
don't want to just like put a CD on and listen

00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.859
I want to like be a part of this world. Yeah

00:29:54.859 --> 00:29:58.900
You know, I remember being very little like listening

00:29:58.900 --> 00:30:02.559
to striper was like huge for me Which is funny

00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:06.599
being you know, I was In the two thousands in

00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:08.680
an elementary school listening to striper. That's

00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:11.339
awesome. But you know stuff like that and you

00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:13.339
know, like I said, my parents were listening

00:30:13.339 --> 00:30:15.079
to it all the time and so it never really like

00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.599
I was into it. It was awesome. I loved music

00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.490
just The idea of music and everything and then

00:30:21.490 --> 00:30:23.990
when I got into middle school band was an option

00:30:23.990 --> 00:30:25.569
I was like well I want to play drums like my

00:30:25.569 --> 00:30:28.130
dad So that's what kind of started becoming a

00:30:28.130 --> 00:30:30.930
little more real in that sense like mm -hmm Oh,

00:30:30.990 --> 00:30:33.369
well, I can do what they're doing and so as I

00:30:33.369 --> 00:30:35.289
got into high school, you know I started the

00:30:35.289 --> 00:30:37.309
band and wanted to do more stuff with music and

00:30:37.309 --> 00:30:38.990
it just became more important because I'm like

00:30:38.990 --> 00:30:41.490
I Love what they're doing. What if I did it?

00:30:41.670 --> 00:30:45.759
Mm -hmm. So you've got a dad who's Was like a

00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:47.920
youth pastor in the 90s teeth and nails a big

00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.220
part of it um, so obviously it's playing kind

00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:52.960
of in your In in the background of your life

00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.359
like in a lot of ways But how did how did that

00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:57.599
really become something? Because I play music

00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.779
for my kids all the time. They're 11 and 12 And

00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:02.559
uh, they're getting to the stage where they just

00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:05.259
kind of roll their eyes when I play like what

00:31:05.259 --> 00:31:08.440
I want um, they want to listen to forest frank

00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.680
or whatever but um, what like how how did you

00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:13.819
begin to like fall in love with a thing that

00:31:13.819 --> 00:31:18.460
you're dad loved you know honestly like i i can't

00:31:18.460 --> 00:31:21.400
look back on it and have like a like it clicked

00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.220
there was just at some point as i was getting

00:31:24.220 --> 00:31:27.099
in music i liked more of that stuff uh you know

00:31:27.099 --> 00:31:30.220
i had a dc talk phase so that was big for me

00:31:30.220 --> 00:31:32.640
we all did yeah yeah it happens to the best of

00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:37.519
us uh um but you know i remember as i was playing

00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.660
music and my dad's trying to get me into stuff

00:31:39.660 --> 00:31:42.930
it was just kind of That almost a natural progression

00:31:42.930 --> 00:31:47.890
of things. I grew up around it. I Remember actually

00:31:47.890 --> 00:31:49.970
I remember I went to a garage sale and I bought

00:31:49.970 --> 00:31:52.910
my dad a disciple CD It was scars remain and

00:31:52.910 --> 00:31:55.109
I that was his Christmas gift that year and he

00:31:55.109 --> 00:31:57.130
picked me up the one day from school and Had

00:31:57.130 --> 00:31:58.430
it play in the car. I'm like dude. This sucks.

00:31:58.569 --> 00:32:01.289
I don't like this. He's screaming It's not my

00:32:01.289 --> 00:32:04.309
thing and then about a year later That was when

00:32:04.309 --> 00:32:05.529
I started getting to the same use. I'm like,

00:32:05.549 --> 00:32:07.529
I'm sorry dad, you know, this is actually really

00:32:07.529 --> 00:32:12.799
good. I I think one of my very, like, biggest

00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.640
memories I remember of, like, finally digging

00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.019
into the tooth and nail stuff and the stuff my

00:32:18.019 --> 00:32:21.240
dad was listening to was, uh, we have over here

00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.460
in Ohio, we had a channel that would play, it

00:32:24.460 --> 00:32:26.500
was there, it was called JCTV, and they had a

00:32:26.500 --> 00:32:30.240
music video blender, um, that would play, like,

00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:31.660
and I think it was, like, Wednesday nights at

00:32:31.660 --> 00:32:34.220
seven, and they would have an hour long of just...

00:32:34.009 --> 00:32:36.589
Contemporary metal anything in the christian

00:32:36.589 --> 00:32:38.410
scene. They're playing those music videos and

00:32:38.410 --> 00:32:40.329
the music video for meltdown by love and death

00:32:40.329 --> 00:32:42.390
came on Um, I don't know you guys familiar with

00:32:42.390 --> 00:32:45.289
love and death i've heard uh, yeah brian had

00:32:45.289 --> 00:32:47.289
welch from core and it was his band after he

00:32:47.289 --> 00:32:49.710
left And I just remember watching like dude.

00:32:49.710 --> 00:32:52.569
This is good Like I like this heavy stuff and

00:32:52.569 --> 00:32:54.750
something clicked I think uh, there's a blindside

00:32:54.750 --> 00:32:56.690
song that played shortly after that too, and

00:32:56.690 --> 00:32:59.450
I love that one us I don't know if that kind

00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:03.720
of answers the question. Yeah There was just

00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.900
some random moment that it clicked. So how did

00:33:06.900 --> 00:33:09.380
you come up with the idea of creating a new site,

00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:14.559
like for Tooth & Nail? You know, it just kind

00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:19.579
of randomly hit me. I was kind of... I saw other

00:33:19.579 --> 00:33:22.799
labels supporting bands after they left, and

00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.099
I was like, that's cool. I wish Tooth & Nail

00:33:24.099 --> 00:33:26.970
would do that. You know, i've obviously been

00:33:26.970 --> 00:33:28.710
big into tooth and nail for a while and i was

00:33:28.710 --> 00:33:30.450
like I wish tooth and nail would do that It's

00:33:30.450 --> 00:33:32.049
like I wish they would share anniversaries and

00:33:32.049 --> 00:33:34.150
this and that's not to hate on the label. I love

00:33:34.150 --> 00:33:37.569
everything they do obviously Uh, but I was like,

00:33:37.569 --> 00:33:39.710
you know, I could do that like that could be

00:33:39.710 --> 00:33:42.470
something I do and so I just started Started

00:33:42.470 --> 00:33:44.650
doing it here and there, you know, I had some

00:33:44.650 --> 00:33:47.269
uh negative interactions too prior to that with

00:33:47.269 --> 00:33:49.930
some other groups, you know not mentioning names

00:33:49.930 --> 00:33:52.609
or anything just because I I you know, I try

00:33:52.609 --> 00:33:55.920
to Send love to everybody but you know, I was

00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:57.619
like I want to try to create a space that's maybe

00:33:57.619 --> 00:33:59.960
a little more positive And I think I think so

00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:03.059
far it's gone pretty well I've had very few negative

00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:05.000
interactions, but that was just like I want to

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:08.019
try to just make a positive page I think the

00:34:08.019 --> 00:34:09.980
news I'm sharing you it's it's all positive stuff

00:34:09.980 --> 00:34:11.659
in the sense of like bands are coming back together

00:34:11.659 --> 00:34:14.679
I want to be able to support them. Yeah That's

00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:18.800
one thing. I I really love about the page Because

00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:20.719
when Joel first mentioned you I was like, yeah,

00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.630
I know that guy because my Instagram feed like

00:34:23.630 --> 00:34:26.449
it will come up and what I love is that it's

00:34:26.449 --> 00:34:29.050
a mix of like bands that you know, you maybe

00:34:29.050 --> 00:34:32.090
not have heard from like in 20 years versus like

00:34:32.090 --> 00:34:35.250
bands now and It's cool cuz kind of like this

00:34:35.250 --> 00:34:37.369
podcast like there's all these bands that like

00:34:37.369 --> 00:34:40.489
I used to I used in my friend groups I was like,

00:34:40.590 --> 00:34:43.050
oh, I'm the band guy like I knew all these bands

00:34:43.050 --> 00:34:46.070
and then like driving into this it's like, oh

00:34:46.070 --> 00:34:49.090
my gosh, like that's I'm not some expert where

00:34:49.090 --> 00:34:51.730
it's like, I'm at 95 % of knowing bands. It's

00:34:51.730 --> 00:34:54.989
like, oh, there's thousands of bands that I don't

00:34:54.989 --> 00:34:58.929
know of. And I feel like for you, you give a

00:34:58.929 --> 00:35:02.010
really good opportunity for people to like jump

00:35:02.010 --> 00:35:03.869
in with a nostalgia light for me, like a Family

00:35:03.869 --> 00:35:06.650
Force V and be like, oh man, like I want to learn

00:35:06.650 --> 00:35:08.130
about them coming back. What's it going to look

00:35:08.130 --> 00:35:10.750
like? Then there's also like these newer bands.

00:35:10.829 --> 00:35:13.469
It's cool to pop up and be like, man, like I

00:35:13.469 --> 00:35:15.329
should go check them out because here's a band

00:35:15.329 --> 00:35:17.679
that maybe You know just got signed the tooth

00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:19.559
and nail and like it's cool to go check them

00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:21.900
out and You know, I feel like it's awkward when

00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:24.340
you're trying to support bands Like 20 years

00:35:24.340 --> 00:35:26.079
later and you're trying to find stuff on ebay

00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:28.380
and I think oh I wish I could have could have

00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:30.780
supported them when they were active, you know

00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:33.550
versus now so It's always cool whenever I can

00:35:33.550 --> 00:35:35.789
find bands that still have active like merch

00:35:35.789 --> 00:35:37.949
shops or are touring So I don't have to sit there

00:35:37.949 --> 00:35:40.550
and say back in the day. They were nice. And

00:35:40.550 --> 00:35:43.309
so i've enjoyed that about your page Yeah, that's

00:35:43.309 --> 00:35:44.989
definitely one of the things i've tried to keep

00:35:44.989 --> 00:35:48.590
is like Bringing everything together, you know,

00:35:48.610 --> 00:35:50.269
there's the old school tooth and nail group on

00:35:50.269 --> 00:35:52.610
facebook There's a new school and it's like I

00:35:52.610 --> 00:35:54.090
don't have anything against either of those groups.

00:35:54.150 --> 00:35:56.150
It's awesome That's where I got a lot of my start

00:35:56.150 --> 00:35:57.630
with all this stuff is right seeing what those

00:35:57.630 --> 00:36:00.489
people are sharing But it's like I want to bring

00:36:00.489 --> 00:36:02.210
all that together. I don't want there to be a

00:36:02.210 --> 00:36:03.530
dividing line I think it's cool to be able to

00:36:03.530 --> 00:36:05.250
keep it all together and i've had some really

00:36:05.250 --> 00:36:07.010
cool interactions with people because of that.

00:36:07.010 --> 00:36:10.110
Mm -hmm Yeah, and i'm gonna give cameron credit

00:36:10.110 --> 00:36:14.789
for um john van deusen seemingly Finally releasing.

00:36:14.789 --> 00:36:19.289
I am origami part four on vinyl Finally, I feel

00:36:19.289 --> 00:36:21.789
like he was pushing it out there and just like

00:36:21.789 --> 00:36:24.230
wanting it to happen. I commented on it I'm pretty

00:36:24.230 --> 00:36:27.309
sure it's our interaction that led John Van Dusen

00:36:27.309 --> 00:36:29.889
to be like it's time. I'm just gonna finally

00:36:29.889 --> 00:36:34.170
do it Yeah, it's been way too long. Yeah. Yeah

00:36:34.170 --> 00:36:36.489
pumped about that So what's it been like for

00:36:36.489 --> 00:36:38.590
you to kind of watch it grow since you started

00:36:38.590 --> 00:36:41.880
obviously? You've got a lot of followers a lot

00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.840
of people who are engaging in the content What

00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.179
how's that been just to sit back and see? Oh,

00:36:47.179 --> 00:36:50.780
this is awesome It's been crazy. Like I'd never

00:36:50.780 --> 00:36:52.820
expected it. Like I was telling you before we

00:36:52.820 --> 00:36:55.199
started here It was in April of last year. So

00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:59.739
I'm coming up on a year here and I have 2 .3

00:36:59.739 --> 00:37:03.119
thousand followers on Instagram and 600 on Facebook

00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.880
and it's like that's crazy I I would have never

00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.260
thought it would kick off. I honestly in my brain

00:37:08.260 --> 00:37:13.159
anticipated like getting into this get 500 followers

00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.500
and maybe just kind of fizzle out like I was

00:37:15.500 --> 00:37:18.119
like yeah you know I've done social media pages

00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.260
before nothing big and I just like aside it'll

00:37:21.260 --> 00:37:23.000
be like all the rest this will be a phase it'll

00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.840
fizzle up but no it's been crazy and going back

00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.570
to like The different bands of different generations.

00:37:29.570 --> 00:37:32.510
It's cool. See all people come together and just

00:37:32.510 --> 00:37:35.630
a general love for the community There's definitely

00:37:35.630 --> 00:37:37.369
a big community I've got to do different events

00:37:37.369 --> 00:37:39.550
and stuff and that's seeing all the people come

00:37:39.550 --> 00:37:41.570
together for those events Like I did the trivia

00:37:41.570 --> 00:37:44.750
night last year and it was cool I had people

00:37:44.750 --> 00:37:46.469
that were super into the old school stuff and

00:37:46.469 --> 00:37:48.570
people that are into like the 2000 stuff and

00:37:48.570 --> 00:37:50.349
they're all answering question It's cool to just

00:37:50.349 --> 00:37:52.349
have all these people come together like that.

00:37:52.429 --> 00:37:55.929
Yeah Love that and I feel like you're that you're

00:37:55.929 --> 00:37:58.650
right and the reason that any of this stuff works

00:37:58.650 --> 00:38:01.630
and is successful is because There are so many

00:38:01.630 --> 00:38:04.329
people out there who this this is like deeply

00:38:04.329 --> 00:38:06.269
ingrained in their heart They grew up in this

00:38:06.269 --> 00:38:09.530
like it they have so much connection to it and

00:38:09.530 --> 00:38:13.489
for the longest time It's like we were all just

00:38:13.489 --> 00:38:16.769
a bunch of disconnected people who loved some

00:38:16.769 --> 00:38:19.530
of the same things and so I feel like it's cool

00:38:19.530 --> 00:38:23.929
to get to be like a part of of creating community

00:38:23.929 --> 00:38:25.869
and bringing people together around some of this

00:38:25.869 --> 00:38:28.090
music that we all love. And it's cool to have

00:38:28.090 --> 00:38:30.949
an opportunity like this for you to come on.

00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:34.599
A podcast like this and us to interact about

00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.480
it I feel like the more that we can do things

00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.800
like this the more that we can like help build

00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.420
and create Even more community around this stuff.

00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:44.820
I think it's really cool always seen like I've

00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:47.139
had tons of opportunities to talk to people that

00:38:47.139 --> 00:38:49.880
are you know They were into the Christian music

00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:51.519
before tooth and nail was the thing and so tooth

00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.380
and nail was big because they were doing something

00:38:53.380 --> 00:38:56.469
different And so it's cool being where I grew

00:38:56.469 --> 00:38:58.110
up, Tooth and Nail was established. There was

00:38:58.110 --> 00:38:59.969
a Christian music scene because of that. And

00:38:59.969 --> 00:39:01.590
so it's cool to be able to talk to people and

00:39:01.590 --> 00:39:03.889
be like, yeah, because of that generation, I

00:39:03.889 --> 00:39:06.929
got to have good music growing up. That's great.

00:39:07.150 --> 00:39:11.269
That's really cool. So next question, who's your

00:39:11.269 --> 00:39:14.329
Mount Rushmore of Tooth and Nail artist? And

00:39:14.329 --> 00:39:15.489
I mean, I don't know if you want to take this

00:39:15.489 --> 00:39:17.750
as your personal favorite or the ones you felt

00:39:17.750 --> 00:39:20.650
like Were the most influential? So whichever

00:39:20.650 --> 00:39:23.469
way you interpret that question. I made a list

00:39:23.469 --> 00:39:25.469
of both because I was like, I don't know. I don't

00:39:25.469 --> 00:39:29.670
want to sound too biased here. So just a general

00:39:29.670 --> 00:39:33.590
importance. I went with MXPX, Under Oath, The

00:39:33.590 --> 00:39:35.570
Supertones, and Demon Hunter. I think they all

00:39:35.570 --> 00:39:39.050
play very huge roles in the scene. But for me

00:39:39.050 --> 00:39:41.369
personally, I went with As Cities Burn. Like

00:39:41.369 --> 00:39:44.070
I mentioned, they're my favorite band. Amberlynn,

00:39:44.369 --> 00:39:47.099
John Van Dusen, and Luxury. They're probably

00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:49.880
my favorites of the roster. Come on. Come on.

00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.539
Yeah, I love it. I love it. That's great I'm

00:39:53.539 --> 00:39:56.199
glad to be amongst other John Van Dusen fans

00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:59.019
because there's not enough of us and I don't

00:39:59.019 --> 00:40:02.980
understand that honestly, I can't I mean It's

00:40:02.980 --> 00:40:06.139
hard to find for me guys that are making music

00:40:06.139 --> 00:40:09.820
today That are putting out anything like it's

00:40:09.820 --> 00:40:13.369
like genuine and thoughtful as the stuff that

00:40:13.369 --> 00:40:16.090
he's doing. And he's doing it at such a high

00:40:16.090 --> 00:40:19.550
level. Not just creatively in quality, but quantity

00:40:19.550 --> 00:40:23.170
too. Putting out so much stuff and it's all so

00:40:23.170 --> 00:40:28.110
good. And I don't understand why he's not just

00:40:28.110 --> 00:40:30.599
one of the biggest things in the world. Yeah,

00:40:30.619 --> 00:40:33.300
he's so original. It's hard to find super super

00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:35.880
super original music Yeah, because it's all been

00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:37.719
done. So it's cool to have somebody like him.

00:40:37.780 --> 00:40:39.820
That's just going and doing something That's

00:40:39.820 --> 00:40:41.519
you know sounds like other stuff, but it's very

00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:46.159
unique. Yeah. Yeah, it's so true So what what

00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:49.119
tooth and nail band or Elise do you think is

00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:53.070
like? Pretty like criminally underrated and that

00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:55.090
they and we were just talking about John Vadice

00:40:55.090 --> 00:40:57.849
and maybe that's one but yes, I have him highlighted

00:40:57.849 --> 00:41:02.050
But yeah some others that just maybe like never

00:41:02.050 --> 00:41:04.889
got the fair shake that they deserved as a as

00:41:04.889 --> 00:41:08.110
an artist or a band Yeah, um, you know, this

00:41:08.110 --> 00:41:10.369
was another very tough question because I think

00:41:10.369 --> 00:41:12.329
there's a lot of really cool and especially over

00:41:12.329 --> 00:41:14.750
the past year I've really got to dig into some

00:41:14.750 --> 00:41:17.690
of these artists What I'm always bringing up

00:41:17.690 --> 00:41:19.449
is the Undertaking. They were on Solid State

00:41:19.449 --> 00:41:21.929
a few years ago. I love their stuff. It's just

00:41:21.929 --> 00:41:25.610
fast, heavy, chaotic, chariot, Norba Jean kind

00:41:25.610 --> 00:41:30.389
of stuff. It's great. Don't Know, which was on

00:41:30.389 --> 00:41:34.619
Tooth and Nail really early on. Super funky kind

00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:37.920
of punk stuff awesome stuff 50 pound Bible is

00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:41.440
a great song I'm always always trying to push

00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:43.320
that one on people cuz I think it's cool. So

00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.840
that's like said John Van Dusen But I won't get

00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.420
into that one because we already talked about

00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:53.179
I don't want a fan fanboy over here And then

00:41:53.179 --> 00:41:55.579
luxury. I love luxury. They're my second favorite

00:41:55.579 --> 00:42:00.119
band. So foreshadowing to Our next recording

00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.500
session here I get to talk some more about luxury.

00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:04.780
So maybe I'll keep that all to myself right now

00:42:04.780 --> 00:42:07.260
Yeah, I can't can't wait to have that conversation.

00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:11.079
Honestly, i'm pretty pumped about that Um, so

00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.539
for tooth and now I I feel like it's it's really

00:42:13.539 --> 00:42:15.599
safe to say it's one of the most beloved like

00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.599
record labels out there Um, like it holds a really

00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.099
special place in people's hearts. Um, what do

00:42:21.099 --> 00:42:23.059
you attribute that to? like why do you think

00:42:23.059 --> 00:42:25.139
that tooth and now after all these years is still

00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:28.929
something that like so many people hold or love

00:42:28.929 --> 00:42:32.289
um i mean i think a huge part of its community

00:42:32.289 --> 00:42:34.949
you know they were creating something that was

00:42:34.949 --> 00:42:37.570
before its time almost in a sense like they were

00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:43.130
they were the first to do christian outlier music

00:42:43.130 --> 00:42:45.809
per se that was it was different it was they

00:42:45.809 --> 00:42:47.230
were the first to that because you know you had

00:42:47.230 --> 00:42:50.510
bands like um you know mortification was out

00:42:50.510 --> 00:42:52.610
there doing stuff and tourniquet and right a

00:42:52.610 --> 00:42:54.230
lot of the metal and there was some hardcore

00:42:54.230 --> 00:42:57.389
bands out there and but it wasn't They were still

00:42:57.389 --> 00:42:59.889
on bigger labels and they are far and few between

00:42:59.889 --> 00:43:03.230
I think maybe mortal was really one of the few

00:43:03.230 --> 00:43:06.289
that was super underground that was getting some

00:43:06.289 --> 00:43:09.449
play But then they came in and tooth and nail

00:43:09.449 --> 00:43:11.130
start putting all these albums that was like,

00:43:11.170 --> 00:43:12.949
yeah These are Christian bands, but we're not

00:43:12.949 --> 00:43:16.030
not marketing them as Christian and so that created

00:43:16.030 --> 00:43:20.030
a bigger community with that and I don't know.

00:43:20.030 --> 00:43:22.050
I think a lot of it just comes from like longevity

00:43:22.050 --> 00:43:24.320
and Creativity behind all their artists. They're

00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:26.000
all very unique and they're always something

00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.059
different even today Like the artists are still

00:43:29.059 --> 00:43:31.820
fairly unique that they're signing. I was actually

00:43:31.820 --> 00:43:34.500
talking to my dad the other day we went we usually

00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:37.980
go out to record stores on our days off and go

00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:39.960
see what we can find and we're always seeing

00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:41.380
tooth and nail stuff and I was told like, you

00:43:41.380 --> 00:43:43.260
know, if it weren't for tooth and nail we wouldn't

00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:45.320
be walking to record store today and finding

00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.360
Christian artists right there with the rest of

00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.780
the secular secular artists, right? Like it's

00:43:50.780 --> 00:43:54.159
cool that I can go in and scroll through all

00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.400
these metal CDs and stuff. And I find dead poetic

00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.480
in there. Like, that's so cool because without

00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.139
tooth and nail and five minute walk and all these

00:44:03.139 --> 00:44:06.579
labels that were ahead of that curve there, we

00:44:06.579 --> 00:44:10.300
wouldn't have anything now. Yeah. Mm hmm. It's

00:44:10.300 --> 00:44:13.719
such a true thing. And it's hard to even imagine

00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:18.389
for me like my. I mean, it sounds weird to say,

00:44:18.510 --> 00:44:21.389
but my, like my life and my like trajectory of

00:44:21.389 --> 00:44:23.429
my life, like if tooth and nail hadn't been a

00:44:23.429 --> 00:44:28.090
part of the story, um, for me and they were,

00:44:28.230 --> 00:44:30.070
yeah, they were doing something different, but

00:44:30.070 --> 00:44:32.070
I think you're exactly right that they really

00:44:32.070 --> 00:44:35.789
were creating a community and, um, making some

00:44:35.789 --> 00:44:39.789
of us who, um, got a little like the traditional

00:44:39.789 --> 00:44:42.929
CCM stuff just got maybe a little, um, wearing

00:44:42.929 --> 00:44:46.360
on us or old for us. um to create a place and

00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:48.019
what was beautiful about the community they were

00:44:48.019 --> 00:44:50.880
creating is you could go to a concert and see

00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:55.719
um a metal band with a punk band and um and then

00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:57.920
just like an alternative kind of band at the

00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.360
same time and it's like everybody in the room

00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.619
could still be a fan of all of those things um

00:45:03.619 --> 00:45:06.920
and that was the norm like it wasn't just metal

00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.980
bands touring with each other like you would

00:45:08.980 --> 00:45:11.860
go they they really built a whole music scene

00:45:11.860 --> 00:45:16.380
um that was more around the people that liked

00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:19.559
these bands more so than like the kind of music

00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:23.559
that the bands were making. And I just feel like,

00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.360
man, it was such a cool thing to be a part of.

00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:29.460
And it's something that is totally lacking today.

00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.719
Like, it's hard to find out there. So yeah, I'm

00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:35.980
trying to fill that void as much as I can. Keep

00:45:35.980 --> 00:45:41.480
working on it together, man. For sure. What what

00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.750
are other? other labels you mentioned five minute

00:45:43.750 --> 00:45:45.590
walk a minute ago but what are some other ones

00:45:45.590 --> 00:45:49.389
that have like been influential for you or um

00:45:49.389 --> 00:45:52.289
yeah just just other um labels that put out stuff

00:45:52.289 --> 00:45:55.710
that kind of impacted you yeah uh face down records

00:45:55.710 --> 00:45:57.909
was a pretty big one for me which they're more

00:45:57.909 --> 00:46:01.630
primarily hardcore and stuff but um as i was

00:46:01.630 --> 00:46:04.250
getting you know i was playing music and getting

00:46:04.250 --> 00:46:07.369
into christian metal Solid state and face down

00:46:07.369 --> 00:46:09.909
were like my big two. It was cool finding those

00:46:09.909 --> 00:46:12.010
bands, but like said five -minute walk I love

00:46:12.010 --> 00:46:14.650
obviously seven -day Jesus. They're there. They're

00:46:14.650 --> 00:46:16.650
pretty awesome five iron frenzy. They're one

00:46:16.650 --> 00:46:19.650
of my favorites like there's a lot of cool Adjacent

00:46:19.650 --> 00:46:21.530
stuff to tooth and hell like that. Yeah, that's

00:46:21.530 --> 00:46:23.809
kind of what was big for me. But yeah face down

00:46:23.809 --> 00:46:26.360
I think would probably be my big one I actually

00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:30.320
started cataloging face down records stuff after

00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:31.780
I was doing the tooth and nail stuff. I'm like,

00:46:31.780 --> 00:46:34.320
oh, I need a break from cataloging stuff. This

00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:38.940
is too much. That's so cool. I love it. Yeah.

00:46:39.139 --> 00:46:41.219
A five minute walk was probably up there for

00:46:41.219 --> 00:46:47.360
me with tooth and nail. Mostly because I and

00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:50.039
it probably started with fiber and frenzy, but

00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:53.360
then 70 Jesus and I ended up. you would get those

00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.760
like take time to listen samplers and that's

00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.019
the most bizarre thing in the world that again

00:46:59.019 --> 00:47:01.920
you would have like a CD that would have a ska

00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:05.639
band and then they would have this like scottish

00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:09.239
like the electrics band and you're like what

00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.619
is this and punk punk bands the smiley kids and

00:47:13.619 --> 00:47:19.599
the w's and just such variety But um, but yeah,

00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:21.500
you could create this like beautiful community

00:47:21.500 --> 00:47:24.199
around it. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's cool seeing

00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:27.340
like Even through the 2000s tooth and nail was

00:47:27.340 --> 00:47:29.840
still putting out stuff. That was Different it

00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:31.820
was where all these people are still coming together

00:47:31.820 --> 00:47:33.880
because cornerstone was still a thing and all

00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:35.579
these stuff So that was really cool about furnace

00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:37.539
fest was all these bands are having reunite and

00:47:37.539 --> 00:47:39.280
bands come together and it's there's so many

00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.280
different genres But that's so cool to see You

00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.519
know people going and checking out roadside monument

00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.800
and then going to the next stage over and seeing

00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.980
zeo like That's cool. That's really awesome.

00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:52.960
I love it. Uh, do you have any any fun plans

00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:56.840
for the future of tooth and nail news? Well,

00:47:56.900 --> 00:48:00.039
you know i've I guess i'll try to share not share

00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.460
too much because I hate saying like yeah This

00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:05.440
is gonna happen and then it doesn't happen Um,

00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:07.000
you know, i'm still gonna continue doing the

00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.360
tooth and nail alumni reacts to stuff that series

00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:11.239
has been cool I've got to talk to some cool people

00:48:11.739 --> 00:48:14.099
I've got some guests lined up. I've got some

00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:17.739
people maybe going to do it cool Maybe I'll tell

00:48:17.739 --> 00:48:23.079
you guys that when we're not recording But that's

00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:24.900
cool, I've been doing a lot of stuff with the

00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:27.679
roster music club those guys are really cool

00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:31.969
I've done graphics for them off and on but Kind

00:48:31.969 --> 00:48:33.929
of stepping into working a little more closely

00:48:33.929 --> 00:48:36.130
with the guys and we they've got some tournaments

00:48:36.130 --> 00:48:37.730
coming up in the club that are really cool doing

00:48:37.730 --> 00:48:41.409
a Tooth and nail second 100 releases tournament.

00:48:41.409 --> 00:48:44.070
So I was recently got to share my top ten from

00:48:44.070 --> 00:48:46.010
those second hundred releases. That was a lot

00:48:46.010 --> 00:48:50.409
of fun but it's ultimately it's just continuing

00:48:50.409 --> 00:48:54.409
on and Seeing what comes of it my wife and I

00:48:54.409 --> 00:48:56.469
expecting our first kid this year. So I'm trying

00:48:56.469 --> 00:49:00.050
to Thank you. Thank you. I'm trying to kind of

00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:04.619
Kick back a little bit on making time. So we'll

00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:07.099
see where the year takes me You know, I want

00:49:07.099 --> 00:49:08.940
to keep doing some events and stuff. I'd like

00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:12.099
to do another trivia night this year Different

00:49:12.099 --> 00:49:14.420
stuff like that. I did the secret Santa this

00:49:14.420 --> 00:49:16.280
Christmas. That was a lot of fun I thought about

00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:18.739
doing a Christmas in July. So we'll see how that

00:49:18.739 --> 00:49:21.500
goes Mm -hmm. But yeah, just stuff like that

00:49:21.500 --> 00:49:26.199
to seeing where things are going yeah, what conversations

00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:28.679
I have and where things go. I love that. Well,

00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.320
man, we're we're really grateful for you. We've

00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:34.380
talked a lot about creating community, but it's

00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:37.340
been really fun to see you be able to do that

00:49:37.340 --> 00:49:40.900
and bring some of these people together and and

00:49:40.900 --> 00:49:44.360
just create a space where we can see, oh, man,

00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.440
I love that record. It's whatever anniversary

00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:49.420
or, oh, one of my favorite bands has something

00:49:49.420 --> 00:49:52.719
that they've been teasing. I feel like that's

00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:56.250
such a. Such an important thing for us and we're

00:49:56.250 --> 00:49:59.030
just grateful for all you're doing there. And

00:49:59.030 --> 00:50:01.409
man, I hope there's opportunities for us to continue

00:50:01.409 --> 00:50:04.349
to like maybe partner and work together. Yeah,

00:50:04.349 --> 00:50:06.949
absolutely. To help build some of this community

00:50:06.949 --> 00:50:09.090
as well. Yeah, I'm always looking to collab with

00:50:09.090 --> 00:50:11.769
people on stuff. So yeah, I love doing that.

00:50:11.949 --> 00:50:13.349
It's you know, it's furthering that community

00:50:13.349 --> 00:50:15.230
thing. I'm always like reach out to people like,

00:50:15.389 --> 00:50:16.829
hey, you want to do something? Hey, you want

00:50:16.829 --> 00:50:20.260
to like I've got to do a giveaway when. Focused

00:50:20.260 --> 00:50:22.179
to their seven inch last year like that was really

00:50:22.179 --> 00:50:23.900
cool. I like doing that kind of stuff. Yeah,

00:50:24.019 --> 00:50:26.739
I love that. That's awesome Cool. Well, man,

00:50:26.900 --> 00:50:29.739
thanks again for jumping on with us to chat through

00:50:29.739 --> 00:50:31.900
this stuff We're excited about where this is

00:50:31.900 --> 00:50:34.760
all gonna go. But before we say bye, we're gonna

00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:51.019
talk through our lyric of the week So the lyric

00:50:51.019 --> 00:50:53.579
of the week this week, as we're not covering

00:50:53.579 --> 00:50:56.980
an album today, we always go and talk about a

00:50:56.980 --> 00:50:59.300
Starfire 59 lyric because Starfire is a band

00:50:59.300 --> 00:51:03.360
that Brandon and I connected over and our podcast

00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:07.239
is named after a Starfire 59 song. And so today's

00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:11.039
lyric comes from the album, Lust for Gold, the

00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:14.659
song Everyone Seems Strange. It says the Christians

00:51:14.659 --> 00:51:17.019
have found their own different ways. Oh, God,

00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:20.320
please help me find the ones that stayed. That

00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.480
song ever since I heard it just impacted me and

00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:27.059
connected with me like on a deep level. And so

00:51:27.059 --> 00:51:31.539
I love that. Can't wait to get to cover. We covered

00:51:31.539 --> 00:51:34.019
Star Flyer for our first episode. We're probably

00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:37.000
getting close to being about time to hit another.

00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:42.239
And I agree. So that'll be good. All right. Cameron

00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.920
again, man, thanks. Where where can people find

00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.260
tooth and nail news like what's out there for

00:51:47.260 --> 00:51:50.320
people to connect with? Yeah, I'm on Instagram.

00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.380
That's kind of my main thing if you shoot me

00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:54.079
a message on Instagram I'm probably a little

00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.960
more likely to respond than other places But

00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.380
I'm also on Facebook and I try to keep up with

00:52:00.380 --> 00:52:04.559
messages there so and then YouTube now With this

00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.760
new series I'm doing and then you can catch me

00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:09.460
in the Roger music club from time to time as

00:52:09.460 --> 00:52:12.239
well So that's cool. That's cool. Yeah, we encourage

00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:13.900
you to good you that there's some great content

00:52:13.900 --> 00:52:16.579
that is happening there You can of course find

00:52:16.579 --> 00:52:22.639
us at heyareulistening on Facebook. We're also

00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:26.940
on X and other random places, but we just appreciate

00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:29.840
you guys sticking with us, listening, digging

00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:33.440
into this as we work to create community around

00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:36.400
this music. And so we're looking forward to continuing

00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:39.280
the conversation and we'll see you back next

00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:50.500
time. I'm